The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 211: Hunting with Your Enemy

Episode Date: March 9, 2020

Steven Rinella talks with Dan Ahdoot, Brody Henderson, Phil Taylor, Corinne Schneider, and Janis Putelis.Topics discussed: Steve and Janis as the J-Lo and Shakira of the hunting world; merfolk and mermaid’s purses; Janis pushing past his limits on the dance floor; using a baby's umbilical cord as fishing bait; a tarantula rehabilitation program; how to make wild game kosher; an Iranian Jew and an Iraqi Muslim as hunting buddy BFFs; Long Island game wardens; having a bone to pick with duck hunting; pheasant ragu; how hunting has affected Dan's view of politics; Dan coming out of the closet as a hunter; going through TSA with a heart and liver in a styrofoam container; joining your local mycological society as a good way to find a date; the meanest gun store in the world; quotes about writing; hunter safety; and so much more. Connect with Steve and MeatEaterSteve on Instagram and TwitterMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop MeatEater Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google Play Store. Know where you stand with OnX. Okay, welcome, ladies and gentlemen. We're joined by Dan Adut. Yes. I'm just going to jump right to the punchline. Get in there. Then we've got to cover some more stuff. Okay.

A man, a Jewish man, who has a Muslim hunting partner. That is correct. I feel like we could just end the show. That is going to be on my tombstone. That will be on my tombstone right there. We could just end the show, but we'll return to that. Because you're super familiar. You're a comedian.

You do stand-up. You do television. You do podcasts. So you're very good at entertainment. I guess so yeah that's that's that's what i do but i will say this i you know i i i work in new york and la a lot of famous people all over the place i've never been as starstruck as i am in bozeman montana with you two guys that's what i like to hear it's wild man that just shows how good of an

entertainer you are because you know how to play the crowd. No, dude, I'm telling you. I've been following you since back in the day. Don't you feel great right now? Oh, dude, I'm like beaming, man. Yeah. Like a peacock over here. You and Giannis are like, you guys are like the J-Lo and Shakira of the hunting world. Dude, I've been exercising so much, I'm going to wind up looking like, about ready to look like J-Lo, man.

I'm telling you. Since your show was on, what was it, Sportsman's Network? Sportsman Channel. Yeah, Sportsman Channel. I've been watching, man. Huge fan. That's great. Huge fan.

Very excited to be here. What I want you to do is we're going to talk about a couple things. And just so you can help us, because being such an experienced entertainer, you can just weigh in and tell us if what we're talking about is entertaining or not. Okay. Yeah. Well, first thing, Giannis, you're back, but you're not like the co-host anymore, to be

honest. To be honest with you. That didn't take long. Well, how many did you miss? You'd have to ask Corinne. He's out on assignment. I think like the past, maybe three. So he's like a guest now.

You were also in Nashville for one. Yeah, he's kind of like a guest. Without me. Like a guest, like a guy that joins us now and then. That's right. I had a note to talk about. I want to talk about Giannis' big insult that he gave me. Giannis saw me make a note about him insulting me.

We were at a wedding for a colleague of ours. And it got to be like the part of a wedding where everybody already ate. And there's like dancing getting started. And I informed my wife that I was ready to go home. It was about 8.40. She thought I was kidding. She thought it was a joke, but I let her know that it was in fact not joking and I was ready to go home. And Yanni was going out to the dance floor with his woman. And he made a comment like, aren't you planning on dancing or you're not going to dance and i said janice um every man's got his limits

and janice left me with by saying um i'm gonna go push past mine that's nice and went to the dance floor that cut dude humiliating but i'll point out at at 9 p.m i was laying in my bed with my lady watching a movie by 9 p.m yeah she told me in my bed with my lady watching a movie. By 9 p.m. Yeah. She told me it wasn't just a movie. It was a documentary about... No, no. It was...

Have you watched, Dan, have you watched The Lighthouse? No, I haven't. It's two people in it. Yeah. Willem Dafoe. The guy from the vampire movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Robert Pattinson.

Yeah, who I like a lot now. He had a hard time maintaining his accent through the film. Great movie. Wait, why did you leave your buddy's wedding to go watch The Lighthouse? Shouldn't you be celebrating this moment of joy? No, because I don't like i just have i just have very hard time socializing really small talk and socializing really very why because people come up to you and they say annoying things like they want to tell you their hunting stories

and you're like god i just want to hang out and have a i just want to dance with yanni there's a little bit of that dan I bet there is in the short time that Steve was there I saw a couple guys tell about their haunting stories oh what I want to mention

about the lighthouse it's a great movie but my new favorite word is in it merfolk meaning mer men

and mermaids oh yeah lumped together as merfolk and on a related note we were recently talking about viviparous and oviviparous Mer men and mermaids lumped together as merfolk. And on a related note, we were recently talking about viviparous and oviviparous reproduction strategies and how sharks are. You know where like the egg develops, you know, a shark will sort of carry its egg sac will get bigger, bigger, bigger, and it carries it externally. Yeah.

You ever see this? I don't think I've seen it carried externally yeah so it's like it's like they'll get to a point where they there's like an egg hanging out some kinds of sharks and it's a developing out of the ovum is that is that of something that's great if you know do you speak multiple languages i do which ones uh i speak french spanish and farsi really yeah and english yeah and english my english is okay you know so many didn't even list them all um uh sam lundgren our very own sam lundgren is telling me that there's a term for like when that egg sack are you looking it up yanni yeah when that egg sack um you know the the the fish emerges and the egg sac is discarded.

And when it washes up on a beach, people will find it and it's known as a mermaid's purse. No shit. Yeah, because we were talking about whether a mermaid would be, like, just curious how much people have thought through,

you know what I mean? Mermaid reproduction? Like, if someone has, like, enough of a, if there's someone who has sort of enough of a sense, like, you know, people that are into aliens, right? Sometimes they have, like, their whole, like enough of a, there's someone who has sort of enough of a sense. So, you know, people that are into aliens, right?

Sometimes they have like their whole like life history, right? If someone got so into mermaids, they got into, they're like,

oh, and they reproduced by. Right, right, right. There's got to be a fantasy writer who's like the leading voice on mermaid reproduction

somewhere. what they do because when I look at them and I don't see anything, I don't see anything I don't see an orifice

yeah I would think that they're asexual but they use their sexuality to get stuff the siren they gotta come from somewhere I like that man that's good moving on real quick don't worry Dan you didn't waste your trip

we're gonna get to you take your take your time i love this i love this man quick question the guy uh was writing in he wanted to get our thoughts on using a baby's umbilical cord as fishing bait oh god um he says he's kept he's kept what why he's kept it he's kept it in his dresser. He's kept it in his dresser. I don't know, man. You'd have to rehydrate it. But it'd be a real conversation piece. And it led to, I saw that and I was reminded of another email we got from a guy who was saying that he catches fish.

He takes, you know foam earplugs? Yeah. Yeah. He takes lead jig heads and puts foam earplugs on there and says it slays. Orange. Puts an orange foam earplug onto a lead head jig. Does he put some scent on those? They'd hold scent good. He had a note about scent on it.

Interesting. Man. I wonder if they're neutrally buoyant cause it's got a lead head and a foam body he even sent pictures of fish he's caught

that way he just threads it right on there like a soft plastic so yeah he uses the foam earplug and I don't know

if he's I feel like sometimes people are yanking our chain he says he pisses on it and it makes it work better um he's at home cracking up that you actually said that he was like People are yanking our chain. He says he pisses on it and it makes it work better. He's at home cracking up that you actually said that.

He was like, it worked, guys. I know. I feel like I got, I don't know. I'm going to have to try it. Final thing on a past show is we were talking. Yanni was probably gone. He probably wasn't even there. Were you there for the Justin Schmidt?

I was gone. I was sad to miss that one. I don't even have a person I can reminisce with about. Well, Phil, he's here for everyone. You don't want to reminisce with Beastie? Well, I don't know that he really pays attention. Okay, let me ask you this, Phil. According to Dr.

This is not going to go well. According to Dr. Justin Schmidt, who we had on, founder of the Schmidt Pain Index, does he know about or what have been his findings about rehabilitating a tarantula that has been comatosed by a tarantula hawk? I do not remember, Steve. Figured. Oh, wait.

There was someone he knew who was trying to drop feed the tarantula water and keep it hydrated, right? Yeah. You were talking about getting it in between the little pincers. Yeah.

So a tarantula hawk is a predator, a tarantula predator. And the tarantula hawk injects a tarantula, paralyzes the tarantula, and the tarantula hawk paralyze injects a tarantula paralyzes the tarantula and then it uses like there's like a term i can't remember what it is like a parasite it's like a parasitic nester and then it lays its egg on the tarantula the tarantula stays alive he's alive but doesn't move and the parasite the egg hatches and the larva is strategic about how it consumes the tarantula what's the name of this episode uh why it hurts so bad dr schmidt on why it hurts so bad so

it feeds on it like it eats its non-essential organs first it's just like it's so dastardly like like eats its non-essential organs and then like eats and eats and eventually it's just like it's so dastardly like like eats its non-essential organs and then like eats and eats and eventually it's like okay i about used you up and then it'll like eat the thing that kills it and they've gone in um to see like like how long how lingering is the paralysis and so they've gone and you know it's just this stuff you can't do to people you can't even do this to rabbits anymore but they would go and like keep it the tarantula hydrated to to see how this is watch what happened it's so yeah it's pretty fucked up yeah so they keep it they're hydrated like keep nursing it along.

It's horrible. The things you can get away with when it's a tarantula. But this guy wrote in and said that he's got a weird, crazy aunt in Arizona and she has rescued she has

rescued tarantulas from tarantula hawks. And she makes a little concoction of what she calls bug soup. She gets crickets and window flies, and she mashes them up with a little water into a little mixture and puts it in the eyedropper and drips it into the mouth of the tarantula and he says it does

seem to work. The tarantula first won't drink usually due to confusion or paralysis then by a day or two or three, it will start accepting. It takes her about three weeks

to get a tarantula up and running. I think we need to tell Dr. Schmidt who this person is and connect them. I love it. Yeah, because she's usually able to get the tarantula back up and on its way. It's adorable. The world's full of bad news, and then you get a little gem,

a glimmer of hope for humanity. There's something missing here, though. It's a tarantula whisperer. How does she rid the tarantula of the larvae that's going to eat it, or is eating it? He doesn't get into that, but I'm guessing she plucks it off. Why am I here if this

woman exists? He says, now when she, I have the wrong guest here. She, you mean like, because we could have this person.

Yeah. What? Just timing. You're already in the air and we're like, oh man, this guy's coming and it's like

the wrong person. He's already connecting with Salt Lake City. She said, he goes on to say that when she takes so it's before the egg land because the tarantula hawk gets upset when she takes the tarantula away but you know then she starts the rehabilitation program great tell us about your podcast man like Can you run through all the things you do?

Sure. Yeah. First and foremost, I'm a comedian, I guess. I'm an actor. I'm going to be on Kevin James' new Netflix show. As an actor? As an actor. Is it like once a comedian, always a comedian?

Is that like the thing that if you start out as a comedian and you regard yourself as a comedian yeah and then you start acting and and other stuff do you get do you guys you guys like to stick with comedians like that has more cachet you feel i think it's more it's like a fraternity it's kind of like a fraternity that we're all in because everyone who's a comedian starts out in comedy somehow and then everyone branches off somehow yeah like the guy who wrote 12 years a slave was a stand-up comic and like he's still a comedian in my eyes he still tells people he's a comedian yeah i mean branches off somehow. Like the guy who wrote 12 Years a Slave was a stand-up comic. And like, he's still a comedian in my eyes.

He still tells people he's a comedian. Yeah, I mean, so it's like, I think that there's, it's a very cool umbrella to be able to do a lot of different things.

Like I started with stand-up, now I do acting, I sell TV shows, I write, I just started this podcast, which is quickly becoming, you know, I think the most listened to or watched thing that I've ever done, which is cool.

Green Eggs and Dan. Green Eggs and Dan. It's simply going into celebrities' fridges and getting just an in-depth conversation about their relationship to food and to eating and restaurants and whatnot. But I think there's this wire-istic aspect of, I'm sure a lot of people want to know what your fridge looks like, Steve. And guess what? They're going to find out on your episode. But yeah, I think, you know, I do that,

but stand-up still remains like something that is like, you know, I'll still do it on the weekends. And it's just very, very, it's when you feel 100% yourself, you know? How many acts do you cycle through in a year? Is it like a one-a-year? Is it like an annual kind of thing? I don't know. I mean, some guys do that. They'll do a new hour every year. I think I'm branching off more into the writing and TV developing, so for me it's more just like getting out there for fun.

But, yeah, it's... Do you just do walk-ons? Like, what do you do? You know, all the clubs in LA or in New York, wherever I am, I can usually walk into and they'll give me a spot. You just show up. Yeah.

I mean, but I used to tour a ton and actually I was in Bozeman, Montana about 15 years ago. No shit. At the university. How old are you? I'm 41 Yeah And it was a way different place It's very like you know we just went to like a very

Hip cool bakery and had like artisanal sandwiches in Bozeman, Montana I did not think that was gonna happen. Let me guess which one you went mm-hmm starts with F That's a doll you right next to it Oh think that was gonna happen let me guess which one you went to starts with f starts with w next to it oh fall crumb i see yeah it was delicious different than 15 years ago different than 15 years ago you know i was old what year i i wish i was better at figuring this kind of stuff out what year would that have been i might have been living here uh it was from probably 2004 or five no i was in mile city yeah you used to hear it was a different i probably debated driving over to catch the show really but weren't able to make it i believed you i was like really

well uh but that's yeah i want to i'm gonna ask i want to get into your um get into your lineage a little bit but first when you're a stand-up, do people, like I'm very, very tempted right now to say, like, tell me a joke. Yeah. I'll tell you. That's the equivalent. I'm really not. I'm really trying to not say. Oh, yeah?

Well, tell me a joke. Just know that your instinct to do that is the same as when people come up to you and they need to tell you this hunting story. Yeah. No, they need to show me. They want to show me a picture of their cousin's neighbor's friend's buck. Yeah, same exact thing. How does that make you feel, Steve? It makes you feel like leaving the wedding at 8 p.m. Do you currently do the show, the gazillion, what's the show?

Oh, Bajillion Dollar Properties? It's like a parody of property shows. Yeah, it's a parody of... Is that like a thing that you guys are on a schedule, or you just kind of do it when you do it? We did it for five years. It's over now, but it's still playing on a bunch of different platforms. Yeah, it's on Pluto. It's on Pluto now.

It was probably the most fun show I've ever done because it was all improvised. Yeah. It was a completely improvised show, and it was like a parody on Million Dollar Listing, and it was just so much fun because we got the craziest celebrities in to be the house owners or people shopping for houses. Zach Galifianakis was on. I mean, it was crazy. It was really, really fun.

And the episodes are all out there if you want to watch them. I didn't know. So that's done now? That's done now. New is this Netflix show. It's called The Crew with Kevin James. It's about a NASCAR pit crew. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's a multicam comedy. It's called The Crew with Kevin James. It's about a NASCAR pit crew.

Oh, really? Yeah. And it's a multicam comedy. It's going to be awesome. Really? Yeah. What does multicam comedy mean? I'm so glad you asked, Jan.

Just like we planned before. A multicam is like when you see a comedy that has a laugh track. That's usually a multicam. But you guys aren't going to use a laugh track like MASH, right? No, we actually have a real live studio audience that we film in front of. You see, I'm not familiar with laugh track either. Oh, Phil, can you play some MASH laugh track? Matter of fact, hold on.

I love that the last show that you remember with a laugh track is of fact hold on I love that last show that you remember with a laugh track is M.A.T.H. they used it and abused it they did they did

you're right it was almost it was like a parody of a laugh track well it's the fucking Korean War they had to add some levity

okay so I'm guessing does Seinfeld Seinfeld uses a laugh track Seinfeld had a laugh track Friends probably Friends laugh track Big Bang Theory but you don't even notice it, right?

You're watching it. When I told my kids that a show- Now you'll watch it and you'll listen to people laughing. Yeah, exactly. My kids like a show that has a laugh track. And when I tried to explain it to them, they looked at me like, zero comprehension. I'm like, no, that's a record. They're playing, listen, it's the same, listen, it's the same people laughing.

They're like, no, it's not same. Listen, it's the same people laughing. They're like, no, it's not. We do actually. It's just the people laughing. The people are laughing. You need to be told when to laugh. That's why you need the laughter. No, but we actually do film in front of a live audience, like 250 people. No way.

I swear, man. I swear I'll show you a little video. And get their laughs? Yeah, yeah. It's wild. It you a little video. And get their laughs? Yeah. It's wild. It's a live audience. But why multicam? Because there's four cameras on you.

What's a single cam? A single cam has multiple locations and it's not just kind of confined. If you think about multicams, the laugh track he shows, they usually have three set pieces. Like Seinfams, you know, the laugh track he shows, they usually have, like, three set pieces. Like, Seinfeld, his apartment, the diner, and then, like, usually a third one that's, like, a new one. So, but if you think of, I'm trying to think of a good single.

You know, if you look at Silicon Valley or these shows, they're kind of like going around in the world and they're snaking in and out of places. Curb your enthusiasm. Single. All over the damn place. Yeah, exactly. It's like you're just following. You're a fly on the wall of his life. So that's the main difference.

Oh. Yeah. So this is a big deal for you. It's a big deal, man. It's probably the biggest deal of my career so far. It's a pretty... Congratulations. I'm very excited.

I'm more excited to be on the Meat Eater podcast, though. I will tell you right now. It's a pretty congratulations I'm very excited I'm more excited to be on the meat eater podcast though I will tell you right now it's a thousand times cooler this is zero cam well no that's not true that's not true

we have all these cameras that we don't use are we using any of these cameras right now Phil? not right now zero cam we're working on it we're working on it

but we are going to use a laugh track of course I actually do have a giant bank of laugh tracks. I have no idea why. For me, please, I would like you to pull from MASH. Specifically from the MASH one.

Okay, got it. That's a great laugh track. Tell me about how you came to be in the world. In the world of hunting? No, no, no. The world. The world? Iranian?

Oh, yeah. My wife always cracks me because she has friends who are from Iran and doesn't like me to say Iran. Iran. How do you run? I say Iran. Do you correct people? No.

No? I don't care. I don't really care. I think it's weird when people say Persian because I'm like, yo, that empire is gone, bro. Oh, yeah. Stop trying to hold on. Like, Turkish people are are an autumn. So you don't describe you don't So I go I I don't know I think Persian is how they like to refer to the culture, but I

Iranian American I'm more American Iranian. I where were you born? I was born in New York Okay, I was born New York. My parents though are both from Iran and I go back, like my 23 and me, like it sent back just like a picture of like you know, hummus. It was like, you're fucking Persian. Yeah. So what when did they, did they move here after the revolution or what? Just before

they saw the writing on the wall a little bit. So you don't bounce back and forth? No, man. But both your parents are I'm sorry, both of your parents'm sorry. Both my parents are parents. Both your parents. No, yeah. But we're Iranian Jews. So, you know, the Islamic Republic is not a safe haven.

Oh, so when you say they saw the writing on the wall, this was like getting out of Germany in 1939. Sort of. Yeah, exactly. So we're Iranian Jews, and they moved to New York, and they're kind of a rare breed. But yeah, I grew up in a very, very Jewish neighborhood outside of Long Island, and guns and hunting were like, I mean, kryptonite growing up. Well, no. From the New York end of things. I don't know, but would that be true from the mother country end of things as well? From the Jewish end of things, it is.

For sure. Hunting is not a thing. I mean, first of all, just kosher wise, it's not kosher to eat game. No, that's not true. To eat hunted game. Yeah, but you know what you could do? You know what the Chabad the Ch a hunted game. Yeah, but you know what you could do? You know what the Chabad

the Chabadichers? Yeah, yeah. Okay, I asked a guy at a Chabad house one time how you could go about having kosher wild game. And he kicked it around and got back to me. And he felt if you caught a deer in a net. Yeah. And then slit its throat. And then brought it to the kosher slaughterer.

And he slit its throat and checked it for TB and other diseases. He felt that it could be kosher wild game, but he couldn't see another way of going about it. Yeah, that makes sense. And then you run into all these regulatory issues because you can't catch them in nets and drive them home and stuff. Now you've got to get like a net gun. Well, I mean, you just get in trouble too if you tell them like, well, I caught it in a net. Yeah, yeah. No, I mean. Sorry to mean to correct you there. No, it's all good.

I mean, but shooting an animal. I gotta ask another thing before you get to this. Just one last quick question. Please. Before the hunting thing. At that time, like when your parents emigrated, was for people for Jews from Iran, would it have been like, should we go to Israel or the U.S.?

Was that like a toss up? That was absolutely the toss up. And they actually went to Israel first. Oh, okay. And then they decided, I think my mom told me they went to like, it was like a circumcision of like one of their friend's kids. And like someone like raised the baby and was like, this will be the next great general of our country. And my mom was like,

I don't want, I don't need this. I don't need this shit for my kids. I'm going to Long Island. She wanted to get away from the warrior culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you know, we were in Sparta and we were all like Hellenic. She was like, let's get this. Let's go back to the arts. That's great, man. Which is fun.

This is another thing. It's interesting, though, because in America, Jews in general, I feel like, are very anti-gun. Corinne, would you jump on this with me? Even though you told me your dad was a closet gun guy. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. But you don't see it. I feel like

it's not very just living amongst my friends in New York or LA and like the ones that find out that I have a gun they lose their fucking minds yeah which is interesting because in Israel I think there's more gun ownership than like any other country yeah I would think that I don't I don't I don't I shouldn't even speculate but I could imagine there's more of I could imagine there's more of a, in Israel, there's more of a culture of self-defense. Absolutely. Absolutely. But yeah, I mean, I feel like the Jews lost that when they came to America.

So anyway, I grew up in that. I've never seen a gun before. Never thought about having a gun before. And then I basically went to college and I became friends with this guy, Mohamed Alhumadi. Hey, Mo. What up, Mo?

Who is the Iraqi Muslim guy. Where'd you go to college? Johns Hopkins. Where's that? It's in Baltimore. Okay. Baltimore. Oh, dude. It's a big medical school. It is. I was pre-med.

Oh, I see. I was going to be a doctor. But yeah, so me and, I was just going to say, by the way. He was a hunter. He was a hunter. He grew up in upstate New York. His parents emigrated from Iraq after the Iran-Iraq war. So literally a war between my country and his country. His his family emigrated she has just primed anybody seriously

you couldn't have designed two greater enemies like Shakespearean and so we we became buds and it's funny we had we didn't have a lot in common but I think it's college so like it was like yeah lot in common, but I think it was college, so it was like, yo, yo, do you smoke weed? I smoke weed. Yeah, let's be friends. Let's put our differences behind us. But he told me he was a hunter, and I was like, that's fucking crazy.

Why do you do that? There's supermarkets. And he was just telling me that he did and I still was not there was no Bone in my body that was like I want to try this, but I want to talk about your body for a second Yeah, what was his exposure? Was it was his parents? So his dad was a surgeon and He got a residency, you know when you came from overseas to become a doctor in America You go to whatever city takes you. Okay. And he got a residency in Olean, New York.

Do you guys are familiar with Olean, New York? No. It's about an hour and a half south of Buffalo. And it's like, it's hunting country. Oh, that's not far from where I grew up. That's right near the Pennsylvania border. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. Very close. Is that the first thing you said today, Brody? Brody, thanks for joining us. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's hard to get a word in. I disagree. I haven't found that to be true.

I don't think it's a problem you're going to experience. Brody, I'll ask you once in a while what you think about what we just said. I'll chime in now and then. Brody's overwhelmed right now because we're working on a book project. And Brody's... Yeah, just moved to Montana. Yeah, and he decided to move a couple states. Really?

Oh, yeah, and Brody's moving right now. So carry on. Oh, by the way, I just finished your book, In the Plane Over. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which one? The Meteor book. Oh, cool.

Fantastic. Thank you. Fantastic. Anyone who's listening, you got to get your hands on that book. Thank you. Anyway. Your buddy. Mo.

Dr. Mohamed Ahmadi. His old man lands in Oleander. Old man lands in Oleander. And, you know, it's very hard to live there and not pick up hunting. Oh, yeah. But, man, they must have thought that, like, they must have been, to him, the local hunting guys. Yeah.

I'm assuming it must have been, dude, come again now? Yeah. You're making some assumptions about their character, aren't you? Oh, and he is and he's correct about these assumptions. He's absolutely correct. I'm not saying they wouldn't welcome him, I just think there would have been pause. There would have been pause.

You're from where? Okay, let's go hunting. Yeah. Here's the interesting thing though. As much as they probably were like, what the fuck is this Iraqi Muslim guy doing in our town? That Iraqi Muslim guy was one of a few surgeons in the town. So they had no choice. Like, he was helping all their grandmothers and grandfathers and this and that. So as a result, I mean, his family, which is like, I think, Mo still lives there.

We'll get to that in a minute. But they became these kind of ambassadors for Islam in this little town. Which is probably effective. Absolutely. I mean, they, you know, they, I think they built or they donated to the, what's it called? The YMCA there. It's like the Dr. Adil Al-Humadi YMCA. It's like a real mind fuck.

But, they became, they became hunters and they got really, and he got really into it. So Mo grew up and was a hunter and played ice hockey

and all the, you know, all the things that you do over there. Was he, I don't mean to turn this into a, you know,

we'll have to have Mo out sometime. But was Mo, was he into, you know, we'll have to have Mo out sometime. But was Mo, was he into sort of like the history and the culture of American hunting or was he just, he just liked to go out? I mean, was he sort of like a student of it? I think, well, he's become one for sure. Become one.

He's become one for sure. Did he, did he fish too? I mean, Great Lakes right there. I don't think, no, he wasn't a fisherman. It was deer, all deer all the time. Like the hunt deer. Yeah. Yeah, they had a little, his dad bought land in Cuba Lake, which is like right around there.

And it's like, so they've got like a little mountain, a little hill that we go to every year. To hunt? Yeah. Really? Yeah. It's awesome. Okay, so you meet him. So I meet him, and I find out he's a hunter.

We become close friends. But again, keep the hunting away from me. He's like showing me these pictures. I want to vomit. Because you know that that's naughty. Dude, that is naughty stuff. And then we, you know, I moved to New York to do comedy. And I get into food.

I just really started loving the food world in New York City. I became a big food nerd. And I read this book, The Omnivore's Dilemma. You know this book, Michael Pollan? And he has a whole chapter about like i think he was the first person who brought up he or you was first person who brought up like hey you got to start thinking about this animal's life if you're gonna eat it and i was like man i never because he goes and hunts pigs in california yeah exactly and he gets disgusted by it and all that but he's like

i had to do it and so i had this real ethical dilemma of like shit i think i need to kill an animal so i called mo and i was like i think i need to kill an animal. So I called Moe and I was like, I think I want to kill an animal. And he was like, I've been waiting for this phone call my whole life. He's like, any excuse to be alone with a Jew and a gun? No, just kidding. So at this point, he was in med school in Long Island. And he was like. Following in his father's footsteps.

Following in his father's, becoming a surgeon. And he was like... Following in his father's footsteps. Following in his father's... Becoming a surgeon. Uh-huh. And he was like, let's go goose hunting. You'll kill a goose. And I was like, all right, cool. Yeah, I don't want to kill a deer.

It's a, you know, go for a smaller animal. So he's got the fucking, you know, he's got the canoe and he's got all the gear and everything. And we're in Long Island.

And I don't think you've ever done an episode in Long Island. Long Island hunting. That's correct. We have not. I'll tell you why. I mean, not because we haven't. Yeah, but...

We just haven't. I've looked into a couple of options. It's a weird thing. I should say not because we haven't. Not because we decided not to. It's just we just haven't. I'll tell you it's a weird thing. Does that make sense?

I understand. Yeah. I understand. It is a strange thing though because you so we go out in this canoe to get to the sand bar where you're allowed to hunt okay i need a little more okay you're we are in uh we're in the north shore of long island okay okay is it a port jefferson okay is it like a waterfowl refuge or just just normal? I don't think so. I knew that we were allowed to hunt there, and that's where we needed to get out. I don't know all the – I'm not going to know all the right hunting terms and stuff.

You can nail me on that. But it's not like some dude's – you're not on a private property. No, no, no. You're out. But I'm saying you're out. Anybody could go hunting. Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely.

But you've got to take your boat and go past all these homes to get to this area like there's you know you're going past these homes

and this is Long Island and they know what you're up to where they're not friendly to hunters okay and they suddenly see like a canoe

going by and you know a Jew and a Muslim in camo with fucking guns and they're like so we got we got the

fish and wildlife was called on us all the time constantly and we'd have to show them and it was always weird because you know we're showing them our ids and his is like uh mohanad al humadi and mine is like dan ah dude like these weird names they're like what are you boys doing out here hey folks exciting news for those who live or hunt in canada and boy my goodness do we hear from the can the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes. And our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Our northern brothers get irritated.

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we set up these blinds and everything then when he starts quizzing you he's like oh so you're hunting huh well tell me a little bit about that you just like fail the test

absolutely dude I don't even know I by the way I had never shot a shotgun what's this Dude, I don't even know. By the way, I had never shot a shotgun. What's this bird? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I know. It's the one that flies. I hadn't shot a gun, which was dumb on his part, I think, to make my first

shot be an animal, right? I don't know. So we get out there and he sets everything up and he's like, you know, just relax. It's going to be fine. This and that. And up, and he's like, just relax. It's going to be fine, this and that. These geese, a couple of geese come in, which, by the way, this is my- You had decoys out?

Yeah, we had decoys out. Okay. I have a bone to pick with duck hunting and goose hunting. Oh, it's not going to hurt my feelings. Go ahead. I mean, I love it, but I'm not going to- Okay. Here's my thing, okay?

Turkey hunting, I understand. I but I'm not going to. Okay. Here's my thing. Okay. Turkey hunting. I understand. Here's, I ethically am more into that because it's like you're luring in like a horny dude, some horny dude who's like. Like he deserves it. Yeah. He's like some alpha horny guy. And you're doing the turkey call thing, which like translated would be like, oh, Mr. Turkey.

And then, you know taylor the frat boy turkey is like sauntering in like boom happy thanksgiving right yeah he deserves like he's like but he's shallow yeah he's the alpha shallow like too bravado for his own good no i'm feeling it but then like i never knew why i liked hunting turkey so much but i think it is that it's just this like form of justice that i that i exact upon cocky male turkeys. Right, exactly. It's like all the bullies that used to get the girls in front of me. The kind of people who would come and try to take my daughter out in high school. Yes, exactly.

But then I feel like duck hunting is the opposite. They're just hungry. You're going for the wayward loser ducks who don't have a crew, and they see these ducks down there, and the duck call or whatever is translated is like hey come here dude we got PlayStation it's fun here come hang out and then you're killing like this nerdy like you're killing the middle school version of me basically so anyway the goose comes and that's the bone to pick that's the bone

to make anyway goose comes and I get up. Pow, pow, pow. I shoot, and there was like three of them in a row, and one of them goes down. Can I? Please. I'm sorry. Yeah. During all the setup, are you getting the feeling from your body? Are you like, man, this guy has this dialed.

And he's like, it's going to be good. Here's the's the thing where you guys just like wow here comes the goose you know I'm trying to get like set you know I mean you know what what the expectation I'm gonna tell you it's a little bit of both because I don't think he had ever done it either but he had all he's one of those gear guys like he's got all the gear he's very organized and he's also very like annoyingly like gun safety guy no which is good yeah I don't know that that's enough no I realize it was good but I hated it in the beginning

now I'm like that with people that I go hunting with but like he was very like don't make sure just point it away do not he doesn't want to be shot I know what a weirdo but he's like very like you know he's very by the book and like that and we have it all out but I don't think that he expected them to actually come in, you know?

Okay. All right. And they come in and we get pretty fucking excited. I mean, I, you know, I get pretty excited. You're not thinking death at this point. You're thinking, you know, it's like your little reptile brain kicks in and you're like, oh, this is going to be awesome. So. You take your three shots.

I take my three shots and the guy goes down. And I, for some reason, thought you shoot them and they die in the air and that's it. Like I didn't expect, you know, you watch the, you know, you watch a Steve Rinella and that's how he does it. No, no. But I know there's a thing people expect a binary dude i expected this there's like there's like a miss there's like a miss or a death the first time i took my wife squirrel hunting she wasn't she had thought oh i'll miss yeah or it'll die instantaneously and didn't think about the middle ground the fast middle ground bro there was a middle ground so I knew that I had shot him in in the wing and

In the foot I think okay because his the wing looked like a fucking open door of a DeLorean Yeah, and and then he couldn't swim in a straight line So I figured one of his feet was yeah, and I like almost vomited. It was so viscerally Upsetting. It was awful. So then I shot him again. And his, you know, his neck went down. His head went down. And then we take the canoe out to it.

We didn't have a dog or anything. And I pick up this, the goose neck. And the goose neck is like pulsating in my hand. Did Moe then have you grab him by the neck? When he grabbed him by the neck, did he then have you swing him? I couldn't do it, man. I was like, oh my god, dude, it's still alive! It's still alive! And then he took it

and like, he swung it like it was nothing. But yeah, man, it was so awful. And then I was like, okay, I get to do this thing where I eat the food. You felt guilt. I felt disgusted. I felt absolutely disgusted. Like disgusted with yourself.

I felt disgusted with myself. I also was like, you know, it was one of those things where you ever, when you go hunting with a hunter and to them, like, he started like, he was so excited. He was like, you did it, man. Good for you. And I'm just like, I was not in that headspace, man. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I was not in that headspace at all I was like I want to like cry in the corner. Yeah, you were maybe four hours away from that

Yeah, honestly, not even dude. I this days away weeks I went I I so I we brought it in and I butchered it first of all I wanted to try the liver cuz I was like foie gras It's gonna be like foie gras it was not like foie gras because it well, I guess then you know They're not force-fed and then I couldn't this is gonna sound awful, but you know Like I I the smell of the meat was so like I Couldn't eat it. It was the smell the guts or the smell the me know the meat man I think it was just I had this whole visceral

Thing going on where everything was associated. Yeah It's tainted by the experience. Yeah. Everything reminded me of the experience and it just like made me so disgusted. I got you. That I just couldn't do it. And then I felt guilty about how I couldn't eat the food. I mean, it was a real awful, awful experience. What happened to it? Honestly, I put, well, I.

You tried to cook it how? I tried to, well, I brought it to New York City. I was living in the city. And I had it in the freezer for a long time. And I just had the breasts. He just breasted them out. And I just... Eventually, I was like, I don't think I can do this.

Oh, you can just smell it. Not like cooking it, just smelling the flesh. No, man, I couldn't even. I know it sounds like a little wuss. And don't worry. I know it sounds like I sound like a little wuss, and don't worry. I've eaten the food since then. But I felt guilty. I felt gross.

And I just threw them into the Hudson. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, I can't do it. Hopefully some fish will or something. I just couldn't do it. It was fucked up. Well, how did you not? Why would that have not been the last time

you went out? How did you recover from that enough to go try again? It was mind over mind. I think that philosophically I still was like, it has to be done. I have to be able to do this, honestly. And I...

And then the next time we went out, we went hunting for pheasants. And I got a pheasant. Where'd you guys go then? We went to Long Island again and got the fucking thing we got called on again. Do you need to do a Netflix episode in Long Island? Seriously.

Did you make friends with the game wardens? No, dude. They hated us. They hated us. Yeah, we kept it. Episode Long Island. Seriously. Did you make friends with the Game Wardens? No, dude. They hated us. They hated us. Like, you guys again? But at that point, I was like, okay. So I get a pheasant. I kill the pheasant.

And then Mo takes it again. All excited and bro-y. I'm a little less traumatized this time. You shot it on the wing. Yeah. No, this time I got a good shot. I got a good shot. Yeah. Knock. You shot it on the wing. Yeah. No, this time I got a good shot. It was flying. Yeah.

It was flying. Knocked it out of the sky. Thank God. I was like, please, I can't deal with DeLorean wing again. Yeah. Knocked it out of the sky. And then Moe's like, good job. He takes it and just puts it in my vest.

The game pouch, yeah. The game pouch. And, you know, thing is still in the throes, in his death throes. It's still, like, twitching a little bit. And having that little twitch on my back. Oh, man, it was intense. Oh, I hated it so much. But anyway.

Why does everything seem to twitch? Dude, everything twitches and pulses. I can't. Anyway, I was like, okay, I'm going to eat this guy. I'm going to give him a good life. And I made a pheasant ragu. I took a recipe from the Babbo cookbook, which is a great cookbook. I made a pheasant ragu.

I made gnocchi from scratch. And, dude, it was unbelievable. And I was like, okay, now we're talking. So you didn't have the same reaction to the meat? Like it just didn't happen? No, it didn't happen. You think it was because it was more like a chicken? I think it's because it died quick.

No, I think it was because it died quick. I think it was because it wasn't my first time. Right. You know, it's like, let's bring it back to sex. Your first time is like not, it's not the most memorable experience, and then it gets better and better. Babbo, that's Batali. That is Batali.

You know, I was surprised to see that you worked worked for a time you did something or another at the spot of pig yeah we just closed i was an intern at the spot of pig yeah for uh for the for a whole summer um yeah it did it just closed babbo and i mean do you know batali because he lives in michigan now doesn't he uh he has a place in traversing he's like he's quarantined himself to michigan never met him but we used to you know i'd been in Spotted Pig for a while and I used to hang out with April Bloomfield I love her yeah she's great yeah it's a bummer man I know I couldn't believe when I saw that restaurant it was such it was so depressing uh but you know I mean they had a it's tough to bounce back from sure from that stuff um but yeah dude you made a ragu i made a ragu a pheasant ragu and it was awesome

and then eventually i thought i was you know ready for deer and that is a different experience too man long island now long island no yeah well we had a photographer that hunted deer on Long Island, didn't we? Yeah. Yeah, there's deer in Suffolk County. But, no, this was up in Mohan Ed's land in Cuba Lake. Oh, okay. So Mo ended up becoming a surgeon in the same hospital his dad was, and he lives up there now in Olean, New York. So I went up to him, and, you know, first time, I remember in your book you talked about the first time you missed a deer, which my story was like, I was, you know, in the tree stand and I finally see this, I'm so excited and, you know, I finally see this buck and I'm like excited to like prove myself to like me, Moe, and like his state trooper buddy and the state trooper buddy's buddy.

It's like just a ragtag group. And I see this big buck and he was priming me for just take a doe. And I'm like, oh, my God, I can do this. And I like aim and I can't see the guy. I'm like, what the fuck? Why is your hand when you're aiming? Why is your hand open like that? Why is my hand open?

You should at least do like a little trigger thing. No, I have it off the trigger until I i'm ready to go hunter safety man i'm just not a convincing um you know i got the gun ready to go and uh i like three times the guy is like just kind of sauntering off and eventually i realized that i can to take the fucking cover off of the scope. And he just got away. But then the second time I went out, which was the year after,

So that was your season. That was my season. That was it. Missed the opportunity. And then went back the next year and went out with a shotgun, a slug, and saw a little guy come through and my I mean your heart just beats like insanity it's still does yeah I mean I've killed like probably 60 or not it's no really yeah but yeah and

then I I shot him he jumped and then you know ran a little ways and then we went and got him and dude that was a little ways. And then we went and got him. And, dude, that was a fucking, I, like, started crying and shit. And, again, Mo was like, you did it. Woo! Smile. Smile big. I'm like, give me a moment.

Yeah, but then I went to town, man. I started making so much food, like amazing food. Back in New York. Yeah. went to town man i started making so much food like amazing food back in new york yeah so how how are you handling the um you're getting it processed up where you are yeah just bring a package meat back to your right an apartment yeah i got a quick question before we get to um cooking deer meat but did you find it odd because you started hunting as an adult yes so did you find it odd that there was such emotion and like the excitement and like the buck fever,

you know, as you probably know it now? You know, I did because he was explaining buck fever to me and I'm like, okay, I'm pretty good

in high stress situations. I'll be okay. But my hands were shaking, dude. It was very, very hard to concentrate. It's really weird. When you say you're good in high stress situations you mean like performing yeah i'm good at performing or like i think i'd be good at like

if i get into a car accident or something like i'm pretty relaxed i'm not like i don't get frantic you know what i mean but i got pretty fucking frantic when i saw this guy um because there's a lot of things i my biggest fear was again, I don't want to injure this guy. And then I have to like watch him, you know, you know, or like, I can't, I don't find it. There was one time when I shot a deer and he, and he went off into the woods and we couldn't find him for like 20 minutes. And it was, it was 20 minutes after we started coming down.

No, I shot him. Well, the thing is this 20 minutes and I freaked started coming down. No, I shot him. The thing is this. 20 minutes and I freaked the fuck out. Okay. Because the other ones that I'd gotten were like, you know, they didn't go very far. Pretty good shot, Steve. Yeah, I was just saying it can get a lot worse in 20 minutes. I know. I know.

No, I'm a pretty good shot. And he was close, but he just went into a bunch of thick brush. That's long enough for you to think the worst. Dude, I was fucking, I was not in a good place. Yeah. into a bunch of thick brush and that's long enough for you to think the worst dude i was fucking i was not in a good place you know and again it's like that wasn't it's that's an it's an interesting thing because i wonder if it's like if it's a little bit of it is uh yes obviously you don't want this this guy to be in pain but also i wonder if it's just a little bit of your caveman-ness of like oh my god I just lost out on all this food.

Oh, yeah. I don't know that it – yeah, the cave madness. I think there's a definite thing is that you wanted it. Yeah. Like you wanted it bad enough to try to kill it. And then it gets away. Besides the, oh, man, I'm causing suffering to something, there's definitely the, but I wanted it. Yeah, there is. It was mine. Yeah. It's supposed to be mine. I wanted my hand absolutely now

This is thing I thought I had and I don't have it yeah, and that's a part of it But the suffering part man I that that's why I'm actually it's again in your book I think it was one of your dad's buddies who was like anti Like using a bow. Yeah, Eugene Groeters. Yeah. I sort of feel, I feel the same way. Like either with a bow or like a muzzle loader,

like anything that makes it a little harder for us, unless you, you should have to take a test that shows that you're extremely proficient in those instruments. In some states you do. Do you? I can't think of any state that has a firearm proficiency test. There's archery, Hunter. Archery proficiency test.

And the minute, yeah, you know, you get people all riled up. The minute you say that. I know. You should regulate something. Well, no, no, no, not that. No, I was just saying, the minute you get into like, well, the animals must suffer more with archery, you know, it's the kind of thing where anyone sort of driving a point is going to find some study that reinforces their perspective.

Listen. About what's painful, what's not painful, what's fast, what's not fast, humane, not. I also just think that, well, look, just accuracy wise, a Leopold scope is going to probably get you to the point you want to get at the same distance than just looking through your bow. Is that a simple way to – is that an awful way? Well, obviously, you'd shoot them at different distances. um yeah man if you randomly selected 10 americans yeah and they had to kill deer and your goal was to have these randomly selected individuals kill these deer quickly the thing to do would be to give them a scoped rifle right it would just there's it's right there's a lot less you need to know yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. To perform at like a proficient level at short distances.

Yeah, absolutely. I've seen people shoot a firearm only five or six times in their life and then successfully kill a deer at close distance. Right. You're not going to get that with a bow. Yeah, absolutely. You can get it with a crossbow, but it's a little bit harder. But yeah, you're just not going to get it with a bow. Yeah, absolutely. You can get it with a crossbow, but it's a little bit harder. But yeah, you're just not going to get it with a bow.

Yeah. There's so much more to learn and so many more things that can go wrong. If you can, more power to you. But I just think that you should respect that, you know, the skill level

that you need to have for that thing. Because, man, it must suck to be a deer that just gets winged by a, you know, in the leg and then he's fucked for the whole it would seem so

yeah yeah but then so it's funny because then I started really getting into hunting and started looking for content on hunting which is kind of when I discovered you because all the content out there what did that search look like for you? I'll tell you what it looked like

I would go on YouTube okay and I would type in hunting videos or whatever and it was all fucking really had it narrowed down look it was all just like these guys would just put up videos with like death metal in the background like shooting a deer and then they'd show it again and like slow motion like the head exploding and I'm like fuck man why isn't there and then and then a hero comes along dude you're

and then I started saying oh this is like a thoughtful dude who's smart who's talking about hunting in the way that this is the blue collar Bourdain right here and I was so into it I mean I still am so into it. But it kind of gave me – it was this moment of like, okay, cool.

There's a team out there that I'm part of. It's not just Mo yelling over dead carcasses and being like, smile for the camera. But, yeah, man, just in general, I don't think that I would ever have met more people that I would never – more people from different backgrounds, from different political leanings. It's probably affected the way that I think about a lot of politics than I ever did. It's affected the way you think about politics. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Beyond the obvious?

Yeah. Oh. Yeah, I think so. Do you just mean exposure to other people? I mean, look, dude, we go- When I say the obvious, I mean like the obvious are like political subjects or political issues that are directly related to hunting. Yes, more than that more than that but yes let's go let's let's start there though i mean i think that there's a lot

of people that see you know a school shooting and they're like no one should have guns and i'm like guys it's it's a it's it's different it's a little more complicated i just know there's no fucking reason for any you know i'm I live in West Hollywood. Oh, that's where you live now? Yeah, yeah. So it's like, there's no reason for,

you lived in Brooklyn, so it's like the same shit. I mean, it's just, it's weird how, you just realize how ignorant people are to the other side.

For sure. In general. Both ways. Absolutely both ways. And I think that it's funny because I end up getting into a lot of these conversations because people assume, oh, Jew from New York, he's going to have a certain way of thinking. And in a way, I have to – there's a lot of educating that needs to be done, especially in L.A. with environmentalists and stuff.

And they're like, how dare you? How could you kill? I'm like, more money goes to, you know, my hunting license pays for more, you know, environmental preservation than your little fucking clipboard that you're collecting names outside of Whole Foods does. Have you found that that's effective? No, not really. No, actually. No, absolutely. They're not like, yeah, I see what you mean, bro. You're totally right.

Does being your vocal about hunting? You know, I haven't been. I haven't been very. I've never posted any pictures, any hunting pictures. I mean, you're talking about it right now. Cat's out of the bag. This is me coming out of the closet right now. This is my big coming out party. So you're active on social media?

Yeah. You don't put anything about hunting or deer meat or anything on social media? No. Rarely. I did some it's funny, we got a deer this year and I wanted to cook up a bunch of the organs. So I did a video of that, but it was just like from the kitchen, like cooking up the organs.

It's funny I fucking I messed up one of your recipes I you must have read it wrong no I was

no cause I I took the balls off so here's the funny thing I killed this deer this year and it's me Mo and Dean have you heard of anyone

besides Mo no absolutely not it's me Mo and Dean the state trooper. It's the three of us, okay? And it's like the Holy Trinity. It's like a Muslim, a Jew, and a Christian walk into public lands.

And they're both very like, yeah, we did it. I'm like, all right, guys, I need the balls off of this deer. And they're like, what? What? I'm like, we're going to eat the balls. And I've already introduced Dean and a bunch of his redneck-y friends to parts of the deer that they would never eat, like heart and, you know. Yeah. Which they fucking love heart.

Heart is so easy to love, by the way. Yeah. I think it's the most unsung hero of the deer organs. Yeah. My kids love it. It's delicious. I mean, you know, there's a lot of stuff My kids love it. It's delicious. I mean, you know, there's a lot of stuff they don't like.

It's delicious. I think the organs for me are like my favorite part. You know, the organs, you got to eat them quickly. But once I was leaving Moe's and going to New York City and I took the heart and the liver

and put them in, you know, like a little styrofoam thing and brought them to the TSA, went through security. Did they take a look? Fuck yeah, they took a look. There's a heart and it looks like a human heart. Like it's not...

Hurry up, man. I gotta go. I gotta get this to my surgeon buddy's dad. Yeah, exactly. This was not long after 9-11 and there's an Iranian guy coming in with like human organs and like ammo on him. Oh, man. Oh, and I got busted once at JFK with my shotgun because I didn't know they're not allowed to have to bring long guns to. I thought I didn't know you license.

I didn't know you need a license to bring a long gun to through JFK. Yeah, through JFK. Where were you? Where were you storing the gun? I was gonna... So, Mo... Mo, where is Mo right now? I feel like Mo is here. I've got some questions for Mo.

Mo is gonna listen. He's gonna be like, no. No. That's not what happened. Mo bought... Mo, God bless Mo, birthday present, buys me a shotgun okay a beautiful Benelli Montefeltro

and uh I'm taking this thing to uh Long Island I was like I'll bring it to my parents house in Long Island and then I'll go in the city

but I land in JFK yeah and they're like what is this I'm like it's my shotgun they're like you can't have shotguns

like duh I'm like and I'm like oh I'm high and muddy I'm like actually you're allowed to have long guns you don't need a license for a long gun and They're like, you can't have shotguns. You're like, duh. I'm like, and I'm like, oh, I'm high and muddy. I'm like, actually, you're allowed to have long guns. You don't need a license

for a long gun. And they're like, uh, in fucking New York City, you do. And I'm like, oh, no.

And they bring these two cops over. Oh, yeah. And they're like, what the fuck is going on here? I'm like, I'm sorry. I didn't know that you need a license.

And, you know, I look the way I look. I look, you know, like a fucking Woody Allen character. Like, what are you doing with a fucking shotgun? I'm like, I'm a hunter.

They're like, what are you fucking, you're a hunter? And like the lady, it's like an old Jewish lady working at Delta. She's like, what are you doing this for? What's the point? So now I have to like go through the ethics of hunting with the fucking two Italian cops and the old Jewish lady at Delta. Oh, it was hilarious. That's the thing.

I remember hearing about there being legal challenges to that. Because a lot of people, it's very common for people to accidentally. You got some guy who lives in Pennsylvania, right? Yeah. And he buys a plane ticket out of JFK. Yeah. And his whole damn life, he drove to the airport and went off to hunt deer at his uncle's house. Absolutely.

And he shows up at JFK just like another day at the office. And all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. They send it to a town. Yeah. They said it's a very common problem. Is it really?

Yeah. It's wild, man. I was scared shitless. Like I said, because it just would never, a lot of people would like never occur to him that that would be the case. Yeah. And then it's not standardized. No. It's like, there's three airports to them that that would be the case. Yeah. And then it's not standardized. No.

It's like, there's three airports that's like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Newark, JFK, and LaGuardia. It's tough traveling with a gun in New York City. Are you worried about hunting screwing you over, man? Like being in show business and everything?

Like the people will find out that you're a hunter and the work will dry up? I don't. Do you get up. I don't punished. I don't know, man. I think that I don't think so. I think that, you know, God bless Joe Rogan in some ways.

Cause I think he opened it up a little and made it a little more acceptable. And I think that also since I've kind of had this, like, uh, this food career come out of you know come out of nowhere I think I get a little bit more of a pass but it's yeah I definitely have some people who don't want to come to my house anymore because they know that I have guns there hmm you know and then I have to bring out the

stats like oh well a house with a swimming pool is actually more date and I'm like a fucking, you know, spitting off like NRA talking points. But it's weird, man. I get it though, because I used to be that. I used to be these guys. Like anytime I hear someone had a gun, I was like, oh, this is a different human being from the type that I would like to interact with.

What did your parents think about your whole transformation? Not thrilled. Yeah? Not thrilled. Not thrilled. Have they eaten anything you didn't know? No. No, no, no. They wouldn't. They're still kosher, so they wouldn't. But they just think

they just can't understand. They just can't believe it. My little boy. We didn't escape Khomeini for this to happen to him do they are they uh like like eye rolly half joke and eye rolly or are they like legitimately pissed they're not legitimately pissed but they're like we don't want to hear about this just leave that part of your life to yourself what's their association association? I mean, in their mind, what's their

conceptual... I think they freak out every time that they imagine me going out with a gun. What do they think about Moe? Moe? There's one thing you should do with that gun. Moe, it's funny, Moe, this is the

funny part. Moe is probably the first Muslim friend that has ever entered our family. I'm the first Jewish friend. He's your husband's buddy, man. Yeah, and I'm the first Jewish guy who's entered his family. His parents are my parents, and my parents are his parents. There is such a love between our families. Oh, you mean at home. So they like each other.

Oh, my parents are friends with Moe's parents. I thought you meant that they're very similar. No, they're very, well, they are similar in that they're all Middle Eastern. But, you know, there is the Jewish-Muslim divide, which you don't find old school, you know, Iranian Jews friends with any Muslims, any Arab Muslims. You just don't. And you don't find many Arab Muslims who are friends with Iranian Jews. Uh, and it's, uh, you know, from the old school, I think second generation does so, but I'm, you know, I hate to get all like, you know, uh, you know, Kumbaya about it, but I, I seriously think that in a, in a big way, hunting kind of brought us, us together was like such a common ground that, a big way, hunting kind of brought us together.

It was like such a common ground that made us into best friends. There's something about a hunting buddy, man. It's like you've, you know, I'm not going to exaggerate and say you've been to war together. But, man, we've done some fucked up shit that I've never done with, you know, other people. Like gutting a deer in the dark while you're freezing. It's an accelerated courtship. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I want to ask you a couple of questions about, um, show business and, and career in sort of the way. Yeah. Personal life comes into it. You look at someone, you mentioned Joe Rogan.

Yeah. But, uh, he's on, I don't want to say he's untouchable but everything he's done is organically built mm-hmm but he doesn't he doesn't need the normal gatekeepers don't apply absolutely right like yeah you look be like like, if someone's mad at him or someone's displeased with something he's done, they can't stop him from publishing his podcast. Yeah. The UFC isn't going to mess with him. Right. He's still going to be a great stand-up.

And it's not accidental. He's just got himself. He's created a position for himself where it's like, come on, come don't give a shit yeah like i'm doing my thing um but look at people you know like like like chris pratt like pretty outspoken hunter yeah it's someone outspoken hunter but he is like he's depends on studios wanting to engage with him yeah um so when i asked you like about that do you are you fearful like i you fearful in a serious way? Do you ever think like – or is it just sort of a very middle America perspective that Hollywood would blacklist the hunting guy? Or is that ridiculous?

I don't think that – look, if I walked into work with a MAGA hat, that would probably have an effect. You know what I mean? More so than a hunting hat. Absolutely. I think you can get away with hunting. If you're cooking. If you're a chef. Chefs get away with a lot.

I think, but I don't think that it's as, it is stigmatized, but it's not, I don't think it's enough to be a deal breaker. And also, to tell you the truth, now that I'm on this new show that's a NASCAR show that has a NASCAR audience, that's why I think I'm a little more willing to come out of the closet about it. Oh, yeah. Because they're not going to be as judgmental. No, not at all. I mean, I'm sure it's going to be a big hunting crowd that watches that show. What's your role in the show?

So it's about a NASCAR pit crew. Yeah, maybe like who are you in it? I'm getting to it, Steve. I am the chief engineer of the pit crew. Are you like a nerd? Yeah. Oh, it's my favorite. You play a nerd? I get to play a nerdy, like socially awkward chief engineer.

It's like, it's the best. Did you have to learn a lot of terminology? You know, look, I went to Hopkins. I was pre-med. It's not that out of my wheelhouse. You can do a little tech talk when you need to. I can do a little tech talk if I need to do some tech talk. I can do some titillating tech talk.

That's good. See that? I listened to your podcast, bro. I knew that was one of the words you were- You know a word we don't use? What's that? Alliteration. Really?

Which is titillating talk talk. Alliteration's a good one. You ever hear us use that word, Yanni? No. No? But I like it. How'd you become so well-read and all that stuff? Is this just yourself?

Just being like, I feel like i'm just going to learn everything i can learn well i did a lot i got to do a lot of reading um i appreciate you just asked me a question uh don't lie i'm not too crazy about it i'll tell you the answer um no because i want to regret i went to when i went to graduate school it's supposed to be a two-year program, but it took me three years to get through. Uh-huh. And you already, even if you do it in two years, it's like basically you just go there and read. It's like writing. It's a writing program. Yeah.

But you just read. And you get to read a lot. And you're around people who are exciting about reading and i i'd always read a lot and had good you know like like somewhat good retention about it but um it was in that culture of uh you know just like several years of like very intensive reading yeah um and i i think i learned things from that because i remember like leaving to go to graduate school. I realized I had never read anything approaching literature. And I remember dedicating a summer to trying to get through James Joyce's Dubliners. Weesh.

Because I sure as hell wasn't going to read, what's his? Ulysses. Yeah, Ulysses. Yeah. I was like, oh oh so he's got a little short book couldn't get through it because I was like

all I'd ever read was like just stuff about nature like nature stuff history mountain man history stuff

Davy Crockett stuff I just read all that books about how to trap and I remember thinking like man I gotta bone up and so i really like tried very hard to get my way through dubliners to prepare for like a life of literature

okay yeah but you know what it's like i have friends who've gone to grad school and they don't become like what like how you've become and it's interesting reading your book was very interesting to me because i was like okay i going to read that his dad was a professor or something. And like, this was just something that like, you know, even though they grew up around the woods, like, you know, he was always, and that wasn't the case. I mean, I didn't know that you were like trying to be like a professional trapper. I was like, holy fuck, man, this guy, he, he, you, you you can't most people can't just reinvent themselves as a fucking good writer well yeah but the thing you gotta think about too

um is in some ways this is true of me and janice and brody here in some ways right now, I mean, it's like we effectively think about and talk about this stuff for a living. Right. So that's, you know, you're devoting a lot of time to it. Yeah. Like the subjects, you know, not so much for writing them down, but it just, you wind up kind of getting where I think you wind up getting where you you just you have the luxury of getting to immerse yeah into something yeah and really surround yourself surround yourself with people who are equally immersed and I did that and I got and I was able to do that for a while with when I went to school for writing and then coming out of that all my friends were

writers and you're just like immersed and that kind of like gradually segued into you know i always had that focus in the outdoors but then when i'm becoming very immersed with people who think about hunting all the time and think about fishing and write about it and make their careers about it and then it winds up just has a, I feel it has this like snowballing effect. Yeah. Right. You're just able to devote an enormous amount of time and attention to something. Yeah, absolutely.

Which I'm sure is true in many, many other disciplines. We had the other day, we had the insect guy on, right? Yeah. Spent his whole career messing around with insects. And you can get, you can stray pretty far from his focus and ask him questions about bugs and he knows what you're talking about. yeah and you're like how in the world do you know they're like oh yeah because he like me spent 20 years dealing with these sort of like same sets of ideas yeah yeah it's awesome i mean it's fine i have a buddy um josh healed he's uh he wrote the

movie uh hot tub time machine yep and uh he's one of the writers of cobra kai the show and he he always says i hate writing but i love being done with writing yeah that's a there's a that's a that's a there's many versions of that yeah yeah yeah he didn't come up with that oh he didn't you're on blast y'all shield um do you feel the same way oh absolutely i i think it's just like true like i hate i hate writing it's the worst yeah i hate writing there's nothing like being done with it do you know the writer ian frazier i don't think he's a he's a new yorker writer he wrote a book called great plains a history of the american great plains okay it's a phenomenal book okay he was saying when he was young and he wanted to be a writer like he always grew up reading the new yorker

and he said like when normal kids draw like monster trucks and whatever he would draw like a person with a martini glass like the new yorker cartoons but he said like he always imagined oh current i have my uh look at my shirt shout out to die do it die do it check it out hey jesse we're wearing our t-shirts. Oh, yeah. You ever go to Austin, this is where you ought to eat. Oh, yeah? You should hang out with Jesse Griffiths, actually.

Who's Jesse? He's no Mo. He's no Mo. He's a hunter in Austin, Texas. Oh, yeah. He has a restaurant. He teaches a lot of people how to hunt. Dude, you guys would actually...

You guys would be like nuts on a dog, I bet you. I think you guys just love each other, man. Yeah, I think I remember... Was he on here or yeah yeah yeah he's been on the show you'd love that guy yeah he seems interesting no you guys hit it off he's got a good cookbook you know for sure what was i getting at though um we were talking about uh writing and then we were talking oh i was gonna tell you a good writing quote yeah um how's it go it's like i'm gonna paraphrase the writing quote but it's uh talking about like working on a book it's like driving somewhere at night where you can only see as far as your headlights uh-huh but you just keep going and going and going and going

and eventually you get there. Yeah. And that's miserable. There's... Yeah. Are you there yet? Yeah, without a GPS. Because I think it's like, there's so much potential for wasting fucking hours and hours of hours.

And the amount of stuff that you write and you just throw out is just like, it's just wasted neurons. Well, I mean, it's not wasted because you have to get through that stuff to get to the good stuff. I work lately on a couple of projects. I've worked with Brody here as a writing partner. Oh, cool. And Brody's, I mean, it's fair to say you're a self-taught writer. Sure.

Would you study in school? I mean, yeah. I mean, I studied writing in undergrad at Penn State. Yeah. Not like it's nowhere near approaching what you did, but yeah, a little bit. Enough. He writes very, like, there's another writing quote, R.J. Apple, I think. Mm-hmm.

No one, or I can write better than anyone that can write faster than me and i can write faster than anyone that can write better than me that's good that's brody a little bit yeah brody's like just fast really yeah it doesn't have a lot of weight he doesn't like write whole pages and then be like ah yeah wow hey there's he plays plays Yeah writing for keeps Yeah I don't like Rewriting shit Well look First draft And that's it

There's another quote That is actually Not attributed to writing It's attributed to Napoleon on You know How he won so many wars But it was basically

I think it was Quantity is equality Unto itself I gotta think about it Oh yeah Yeah And I think with writing That is so important You just have to Fucking keep quantity is a quality unto itself. I got to think about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think with writing,

that is so important. You just have to fucking keep cranking stuff out. Right. Here's a writing quote. All right. From a teacher. Hey, we're doing a spin-off podcast called Quote Off. A writing quote from my 10th grade mentor.

Yeah. If you're counting the words you write, we'd be like, how long does it need to be for the assignments? Yeah. If you're counting the words you write, we'd be like, how long does it need to be for the assignments? Yeah. If you're counting the words you write, you're not writing words you count. I've later found out that's not necessarily true. Being a magazine writer, they don't really hold you to word counts.

And then you are like, one, two, three, four, five, six. Yeah. We should tell that teacher, those who can't teach. That's his quote. Oh come on mr heeden sorry mr heeden you're a better uh turn everything off phil shut it down shut it down my career is over after this podcast comes out in my hey folks exciting news for those who live or hunt in canada and boy my goodness do we hear from hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes.

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onxmaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. You know, some things I wanted to ask you about. Why do I have down giving gourmet game to hardcore hunters who can't cook? I like that sentence.

That's not even a sentence, but I like it. No, that was, you know, Dean. Dean is the state trooper. Him and his buddies. Can't cook. They can't cook at all. And they think that deer. Would you tell me the same?

They're always like, deer tastes horrible. I'm like, guys, it doesn't. I'm telling you. And I made them the last time I took a bunch of ground deer and I made like, I made like Persian sausages, Persian kebab out of them. Oh, okay. Which is basically you ground up the meat. You have to mix it like-

No, you grind it. You grind the meat. You want 70-30 fat to lean, right? So I got a bunch of beef tallow, mix that in. And then you want to put a bunch of onions, grounded up onions in there and then some spices. And then you cook it really low so the onions caramelize

within the kebab. And you skewer these meatballs. I just made them, you kind of make them look like little long finger things. Long doodoo's. So it's like a sausage on a stick. Yeah.

With no casing. No casing. And then, you know, you put some turmeric in it. You put some sumac on it. Oh, sumac. You know, and these guys never had turmeric. Oh, bullshit.

I've had more of that than you'll ever have your whole life. But sumac, I don't know what that is. I know, like, sumac. You know poison sumac, probably. Sure, yeah. Yeah. So there's the berry. Yeah.

And you dry it out, and then you turn it into a powder. Is that right? Yeah, and it's used as, it's used as, like, if you go to, like, Persian households, it's like salt, pepper, sumac. Really? I've got some at home. I'll bring it for you tomorrow. Yeah. I would appreciate that.

But now, are you sure that it's the same poison sumac that litters American roadways in the Midwest? I don't know, actually. I don't think it's poison sumac. I think it's just sumac. Is that, am I? I think so. We'll probably have to look it up. Man, yeah. I don't think it's poison sumac. I think it's just sumac. Is that, am I? I think so. We'll probably have to look it up. Man, yeah, I'm guilty of not.

I mean, I know, like, yeah. Yeah. I'm familiar with our sumacs. I've never heard of someone eating them. Have you ever collected and dried your own to make it? No, I haven't. I do fennel pollen, though, every spring. That's cool.

Yeah, that's awesome. Because it's expensive. Fennel, yeah, very. Do you do any of that? The petals? Do you do any of the foraging? The foraging for... I'd forage for the real standards.

Like what? Like I like morels. Yeah. Oyster mushrooms, bleats, ramps. Ramps. Oh, man. Like, you know, fucking blackberries. I love ramps. Oh, man. Like, you know, fucking blackberries. Love raspberries. You know, like, yeah, I tend to focus on the stuff that's just good.

Yeah. Like, really good. You're excited to have it. Yeah. Not laborious. Not that I have a problem with it. If I wasn't into hunting and fishing, I'd probably be whole hog into that, and I would be making acorn flour. Yeah. that and I would be making acorn flour and yeah but um I tend to focus on the the bounteous

exceptionally good yeah things that if you were in a store you'd be almost tempted to buy them kind of items and easy to spot with mushrooms I think anytime you're like is this poisonous or not you should just not yeah my brother's fairly good yeah he's a pretty good mushroom guy um so I've kind of you know leeched off him a little bit. I went last year for the first time. I joined the LA Mycological Society. That's cool. Are you married?

No, I have a girlfriend. Did you meet her there? After you heard that I joined the LA Mycological Society. Are you going to die alone, bro? No, I can picture... You should be on Tinder, not at the LA Mycological Society. I could picture a shrewd single person joining that society with motives other than mushrooms. Just to be like, I wonder if.

No, my girlfriend, she's an actress in L.A. She's an L.A. actress. Will she eat deer meat? She will. I mean, she grew up in Kentucky. She's a hillbilly. She's a little hillbilly. She's got some of that in her. So she's

like, she's totally fine with the hunting. She's fine with... Really? Yeah, which is cool, man, because that's hard to find in a lady in LA. What's Moe think about her? Moe loves her. Man, Moe is a surgeon now in upstate New York, and he takes all of his fucking money and

just goes on these sheep hunts that are like 15,000 bucks a pop. No, really? Yeah, dude. He's an international sheep hunter? Yeah, he's trying to get that thing. What's it called? Grand Slam. The Grand Slam.

You know, I'm a turkey. You're a turkey Grand Slammer? Super Slam. Super Slam holder. Super Slam? Yeah, it's better than Grand. Whoa. Dude, if you were single that that fun fact would get

you laid so hard we had a guy sending a picture of a tattoo or he had the country like he had like america tattooed on his arm yeah and he had little turkey tracks tattooed where he fulfilled his super slam okay and then he had the different feathers tattooed on his arm. And I like, you know, as a Jew, you'll appreciate this. I'm untattooed. Uh-huh. Okay. And I thought about. You appreciate this?

And I thought about, I half jokingly, half seriously thought about getting something similar. Really? But didn't do it. The sheep grand slam thing. One of the sheep, he said... There's like a world... Yanni, he's usually pretty good about this. Tell everybody, Yanni.

Well, there's a North American, which is the forest sheep that you can kill here. But he might be going all over the world. He's going all over. He was just in like, what's it called? Right next to Italy, northeast of Italy. The Mediterranean? Yeah.

Spain? No. Croatia, Croatia. He was in Croatia to do this. He went to the Alps, and then he went to Alaska. I think he's doing one in Texas. There might be some. No, I don't know what your body's up to

But it doesn't have anything to do with Texas Hold on, here's the Texas one And this is what I'll have to ask you about Because this seems ill, not legit to me The Texas doll sheep? One of these sheep is like an Armenian sheep or some shit And it's like in Iran And because you can't go to Iran to hunt

Or it's hard Some dude in Texas apparently has these sheep. And it still counts for the Grand Slam? Oh, it does? No. Apparently, it still counts for the Grand Slam. Probably through Safari Club, it does. Yeah.

Yeah. Mo, you're a sellout, bro. It doesn't count. No, man. I want to know. No, I'm not down on Mo. I like Mo. I like Mo better than I like you.

Mo is so jealous that I'm not down on Moe. I like Moe. I like Moe better than I like you. Moe is so jealous that I'm here right now. He's like, you don't even know anything about hunting. You don't even know what a 30-odd six is, man. Well, it's not like we're like, give us your 10 hunting tips. Dude, by the way. You know what? Since Steve asked, come on, Give us your top three hunting tips.

Top three hunting tips? Oh, please. I'm not even joking. Are you serious? No, I would love to hear it. It's a good idea. Top three hunting tips. Okay, here's a fun one.

Clear the leaves out of the tree stand before you get in there. Because it'll just rustle the whole time. Because it'll rustle the whole time. That's a hot tip. That's Dan's hot tip. Take your scope cover off. Take the scope cover off. Is number one.

And I would say, this isn't really a hot tip, but use those organs. I made a pate once out of the heart and the liver, bro. Really? It was so delicious. It was crazy delicious. You're a technical chef. I dabble. I dabble, yeah.

And also, I would say this. Don't be so... This is five. Here's what I got a couple more. Cal Brody's insertion. Keep going. There's no limit, man. Here's my pet peeve. Here's my pet peeve. So we're moving on from tips into pet peeves. Yeah.

It's going to turn into a tip because okay whenever whenever there's no point in life that i get more anxiety than i have to walk into like a gun store like a hunting store or like a shooting just because you're like i don't have any idea what's in here i just feel like they love to make you feel stupid sure like if you say the wrong if you've referred to the to the a shell as a bullet or a bullet as a shell they're like you don't even know what the terminology is i'm like yeah there's like a there's i feel like i'd be that way they're all like napoleon dynamite kind of and i fucking hate it and i'm like yo if you're trying to get people to you know be on your side about hunting or guns or whatever, be nicer.

Be nicer to people who don't know about them. And don't assume that everyone knows what the 30-odd-six is, you know? It's intimidating. Yeah. I hate it. I get intimidated walking into the Apple store. Yeah. Well, but they're nice to you there.

They're nice. They're wearing their shirts like, hey, how can I help you? They're nice and still intimidating to me. Yeah, but listen. When I go into these gun stores and they give me, I'm not like rubbing into their face that I know organic chemistry and they don't. I'm not like, what's CH4? Methane, you idiot. You don't know anything.

But that's the vibe I get at those places, man. So hot tip, be nicer to non-gun people. Can I give you a hot tip oh god it's about walking into a gun store please okay i have found i've talked about this before i have found a strategy in life of dealing um is to start conversations like that with i'm just a total dumbass right yeah and i think when i use when i about this before, the context was having a plumber come over. It was having a problem. I couldn't figure something out.

Yeah. And the plumber comes over. And instead of being in a swinging dick contest. Yeah. Okay. Instead of being like, well, I almost got it licked, you know, but whoever plumbed this thing, right? Instead of doing that.

I think the soldering's off. Yeah. I'm like, you know what, man? I'm just a total dumbass. I try to take it apart. I don't know what I'm looking at. Oh, buddy, let's take a look. It just changes everything.

And if you come in, if you go into your local gun store and you say, just starting out, total dumbass. I've been out a few times. I left my concealed carry at home, but you know, what can you tell me?

No, man, I walk in, I walk in dick swinging. That's the problem, man. I call everyone chief. Oh,

that's great. You're like, where do you keep the good stuff? Hey, chief. How you doing? No, I think you should try that stuff? Hey, chief. How you doing? No, I think you should try that in your local gun store. Yeah, yeah.

I think then they will take more of a paternal view. I do find that gun stores in cities are usually, I don't know, they're even meaner than gun stores like the one in Olean that we go to. You ever been in John Gervino's gun shop? No. That's the meanest gun store in the world. There's a gun store in Manhattan. Oh, it's in Manhattan to John Trevino's gun shop? No. That's the meanest gun store in the world. There's a gun store in Manhattan. Oh, it's in Manhattan?

Yeah. No, but the one in LA. The police use it to buy their weapons. You can do FFL. Really? FFL transfers. You want to talk about

places that are very mean to you. Yeah. Like very annoyed that you're in there. I hate it. That's different because I feel like it's kind of like

law enforcement v. civilian. Yeah. It's not law enforcement v. civilian. Yeah. It's not like a, you know. But even then though, law enforcement in, you know, Olean or, you know, upstate New York is totally for their civilians having guns. Like they're fine with it. Oh, I don't mean it in that way. I just mean that like pros is like professionally trained, you know, and these are service,

you know, they're dealing mostly in service weapons. And then you come in and you're like, you're Elmer Fudd. Right, right, right, right, right. It's just, it's just, it's not cute. They don't think it's cute. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah.

It's not like a, you shouldn't be allowed to, if anything, it's the opposite of that, but it's just, it's condescending. I hate it. Yeah. I hate it. But try that approach in gun stores. I will. Do you live in a place where you can develop a relationship with some people at your gun store?

Here's the thing. I don't go shooting that much that I need that, I don't think. I do have a handgun at home for personal... But I that I don't think like I have a I do have a I have a handgun at home for uh personal for you know uh but I got a revolver just because I didn't want to have to keep going to the range to exercise the spring on a on a semi-automatic wow you know your stuff man let's go get some trouble in the gun shop yeah this is why he winds up in a showdown whenever he goes into his gun shop

um when I lived in Seattle there was a there was, I did most of my sporting goods purchases and my firearms transactions from a place called Outdoor Emporium. And there was a guy there, Brian, that I liked a lot. And I would come in and be like, where's Brian? Yeah. And I would text Brian to be like, are you at work? Brian's looking at his phone, rolling his eyes. Like,

Hey, are you down there? He's like, I'm here. Like, I got to come down. And I would come down. It was like,

deal with the guy. Deal with Brian. So funny. I liked, I liked Brian. I get it. I get it. They're very,

actually, they're very nice to me at Whitetail, which is the store in Olean, which is the one that Mo goes to because he's the mayor of Olean. So I'd walk in there even without him because he'd be doing surgery. I'm like, hey, I'm friends with Dr. Al-Humadi. And it's hilarious because it's this super redneck-y

gun store. And they're like, oh, you know Dr. Al-Humadi? Red carpet. Exactly. You mention the Arab guy's name and they're like, oh, Dr. Al-Humadi did my knee scope. They all know him. And then they're probably like dr humati did my knee scope like they all know and then they're probably like i thought there was something about you and them but yeah no never mind yeah man hey you never know uh be open-minded i want to ask you uh last question it was something that you

mentioned want to talk about uh maybe didn't um gun safety gun safety yeah so this was are you paranoid you know i'm very paranoid now have you seen any accidental discharges yes i was a part of one you were um and it was you're not gonna believe who was with i was with mo and uh you know i always would give him shit for like you know he's always like make sure that everything is out of the chamber. And, like, me, I'll, you know. Does he really sound like that? No, not at all. He's a very educated guy.

And he's, you know, just, like, always pointing in the right direction and this and that, which is obviously totally normal. But then when I'm, like, trying to load my gun, he, like, he didn't have faith in me, you know. So he was trying, he micromanaged the situation Yeah, so he had we were going turkey hunting which I've never I've never gotten a turkey I've gone a couple where you guys go for that in his same little in his dear. Hot of land. Yeah, yeah But honestly when we go it's like ramp season so the first light comes out and like I see the ramps And I lose my shows the Iran look at all these right but ramps and I lose my shit. Oh, so you're a ramp digger. Look at all these ramps. But, yeah, so his hands were on

the shotgun, my hands were on it, and boom, it went off. I don't understand. You're both handling the same? Yep. Because he's instructing you on something. Yeah, and I think, I was like, dude, I got it. And it was a little bit of pulling and pushing, and boom, it went off. He's like, here's how

to do this safely. And you're like, no, it's not. I'm like, I i'm like i got it he's like no you don't so it's like a combination of me uh my ego and then his distrust of me you know together and it was it went off i mean we were in between and you know it shot in front of us but scary very scary yeah i've had that oh i've been witness to i mean in all honesty i've probably been witness in a lifetime of of gunplay uh i've been witness to in excess of a dozen counting being kids yeah dude we were kids that's why i like muzzle control it's like if you know we're i remember walking up my mom like the steps from my mom and dad's house to the garage and my buddy Brian burrowing in a 22 shell next to my knee into the grass geez we were high

schoolers but I mean thankfully that even though people didn't have good trigger control they had a good muzzle control. I've never seen anything that I would even call a close call. Right. Yeah. It's like a two-tiered thing. It's like it shouldn't go off, but then there's sort of, if it does, what are you doing? Yeah. And when I review the times I've seen accidental discharge,

I look and I'm like, I don't want to say the system worked. I'm reluctant to say the system worked, but the system worked. Yeah. And that people were conscious of where the muzzle was. Yeah, I mean. What they're doing. All you need to do is combine those two slip-ups. So you combine the muzzle control you make that mistake and then the handling mistake and it's when those two

things like in those in split seconds and those two things line up yeah is when you have trouble but i can spend days i might spend days out hunting with a couple of friends and reviewing it in my mind, if they're seasoned people, reviewing my mind, there was never a moment when had a gun had sort of like God made a gun go off. There was never a moment when it would have struck somebody. Right. Because people are being very conscious about what they're doing and where they're pointing. Yeah.

So it's like, like, you know, negligent discharge, accidental discharge, you know, in the Marines, there's like this thing, like there's no such thing as a negligent discharge or how's it go? No, there's no such thing as an accidental discharge. It's always a negligent,

negligent discharge. So it's scary as hell, but I do all think like, you're like, that was close. And I'm like, but thankfully it wasn't close because the other components of safety thankfully were in place.

I'm in no way excusing that happening, but I've just seen it happen. Yeah. How many times have you seen it happen? Not that many, but. Not a dozen? No. I don't know. Handful.

Yeah. Once I stupidly. I've seen you see it happen. That's right. I'd say for the first. You figured that one out, Dan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that mean you did it?

No. I think I... In the beginning, I think it was very hard for me to understand when there was a shell in the chamber. Like, if you've cycled everything out. And once, like an idiot, I was like, I think I got them all,

and I pointed up to shoot the shotgun, and boom. And I was like, oh, no, I didn't. There was one in there. You know what? And Moe lost his shit again, which he should have. But then after that, I took a hunter safety course. I was like, I need to learn to rein this shit in.

I'll tell you a hot tip. Yeah. This is for Moe. The next time you start out a person, Mo, get him a break open gun. Oh, like a- Single shot. Yeah. My little boy, he now has his own 410.

Yeah. He's nine. I'm going to pretend like I know what a 410 is, but yeah. So it's like the smallest shotgun. Okay, got it. So I'm going to tell you a couple of little tips here. You know what gauge is, right? Yes.

Okay. Yes. Okay, is, right? Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay, a 12-gauge. Yes. We've covered this extensively. Do you know what a 12-gauge is? I do, yes.

You do? Yes. I keep learning, and then I sort of forget, but I kind of know. Phil? You're asking if I know what a 12-gauge is? I just want someone to say no so I can tell it, because I like telling it so much. Okay, tell it. No. No, I don't.

12-gauge, you take that diameter the the barrel diameter 12 lead spheres that size make up a pound 12 lead spheres that is a 12 gauge okay got a 20 gauge it takes 10 lead spheres that size to make a pound okay a 410 20 20 sorry, yeah. A 410 is the only is a 410 is an exception to this, to the gauge system. Okay. So it'd be like, you know, there's 28, not common, but there are 28, 28 gauge,

16 gauge, 12 gauge. When you buy shrimp from a grocery store, they measure it the same way too. In gauges? Well, it's how many, how many shrimp, yeah, shrimp count. They're in like a bag so you know um yeah great smaller the number the bigger the shrimp there you go uh a 410 is like 0.410 of an inch diameter shotgun got it okay uh if someone were to say to you i'm gonna get a 50 gauge shotgun and shoot you that's a very small shotgun right right right.

That would be a BB gun. Yeah. We should get Mo on the phone and ask him why he didn't give me that gun. But just a hot safety tip for listeners. Yeah. I bought my 9-year-old a 410 that just breaks open. There's no, like, wondering what's going on. Oh, it's perfect.

When he approaches people, I i'm like open that thing up click it's open like anyone can see what's happening when you open it and look there's no way to be confused about whether this thing's loaded yeah not loaded is there still one in there it just is a great way to start people out yeah Yeah. There's a button you hit and it hinges open and it's for the whole world to see what is happening inside that shotgun. Perfect. Yeah.

Perfect. It alleviates a lot of stress. Even when I've given him like a little bolt action 22 with a magazine in it. Yeah. I'm very paranoid about like what he's doing and he opens it and closes it. I'm like, whoa, stop stop what are you doing and i

need to look did he like inadvertently rack one you know it's funny as someone who didn't grow up hunting i i i'm a little like like kids and guns it still i think gives me a little bit of uh heebie-jeebies oh it should yeah should. Yeah. You know? I was just shooting with my oldest this weekend and it's nerve-wracking. Yeah. How old is he? Or she? She's nine. Uh-huh. Sorry, eight. Eight. Yeah. I tell my kid, I say, like, very, like,

explicitly, I tell him, like, you can mess up with that and kill your brother. Yeah. Wow. You break it down like that oh yeah I try to make it like like the gravity of what word I don't want there to be any confusion about what we're talking about yeah I mean that's you should good yeah it's like we don't how do how someone could get hurt five seven and

nine five seven and nine yeah you just paint a picture huh you're just like you're gonna bury your brother in the ground. To be honest with you, it's not as impactful as you might imagine when I do say this, but I do like to. He's just like rolling his eyes. And nobody's like, is that a bad thing? He's like, hmm. He's pretty annoying. Yeah, but now I've become a hunter safety Nazi.

I'm like crazy about it. That's good. Yeah, which is the way you should be. I'm glad to have you in the brotherhood and sisterhood. Yeah. What's a good way to put that, Corinne? The family. The family.

It's good to be in the family. And it's good to be in the family and have a conversation with the guy that you had a big deal with me staying in. It's really great to have Mo in the family. Mo is... You know, fuck Mo, man. This is about me. Mo's killing a fake sheep

so he could get a fake title. And you're just a hard-working meat hunter. Yeah! He's living in Olean it's easy for him I'm in West Hollywood man I'm in the trenches so run down run down for folks what's the best way how do people go take you in

your Instagram is standupdan at standupdan yeah no one can spell Dan a dude so I was like I need to shore this up so Instagram at StandUpDan. Twitter is StandUpDan as well. Are you active on Twitter?

Pretty active on Twitter. You don't engage. Do you engage in like Twitter outrage about someone's tweet? No, dude. I stay out of that. Okay, good. That to me is more, as a comedian, I'm like seeing like comedians, you know, don't host shows now because they wrote a tweet 20 years ago and they bring it back,

I'm like, my Twitter is pretty anemic. Which, again, is a bummer that it has to be like that. Yeah, because you've got to control your impulse to make like a,

you're like, oh, is that funny? I'll just put it up. And then in decades from now I'll lose a job. Yeah, remember when Dan said that? Well, again, testament to why Rogan

has paved such a great path for himself because he doesn't, it doesn't matter to him because he's self-generated. Yeah. So he doesn't have to worry about that. Yeah. And he gives all sides of everything a voice.

Oh, yeah. And also articulates all sides of everything in a way that makes everyone look like a jackass. Right. And so it just gives you license. I love him because he's that makes everyone look like a jackass. Right. And so it's just, it gives you license. I love him because he's just like, he's like so curious. He's so curious. But I think sometimes he can just be convinced of anything. Like, I feel like a flat earther can come on there and he'd be like, really?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll look into that. Too open-minded. A little bit too open-minded. But I think it's more, it's probably just his style of interview, which gets people comfortable to open up.

But yeah, and then my food podcast. It's the number one food podcast in America right now. It's called Green Eggs and Dan. And you can get that anywhere you get podcasts. It's an hour long. So if people exhausted the library of this show. Yeah. Head to Green Eggs and Dan.

Check it out. If they really had just listened, honest to God, listened to every episode. Yeah. Twice. They might go find Green Eggs and Dan. Yeah. And they find it anywhere. All the places.

All the places. All the places. Yeah. And your brand new Spickity TV show. Oh, yeah. On Netflix. Parent Network. We'll see you at the

Netflix party, Steve. When will it air? It's going to be airing sometime in the fall. They want it to, like, correspond with NASCAR dates. Oh, they do? I saw my first NASCAR race

ever last week, and it was intense. There was like a crazy car crash. Someone almost died. I heard about that. Yeah. Are you still filming? Yeah, we are.

This is our hiatus week, and everyone's like, what are you doing on hiatus? Are you relaxing? I'm like, yeah, I'm going to Bozeman, Montana, baby. Sweet. Getting my Bozeman on. And yeah, but it's called The Crew. Kevin James is the lead of that one

so it's gonna be a great show it's very funny and I think your listeners will love it I'm gonna watch yeah

you should are they would they be happy that you're plugging the show I think so okay I'm telling you man

it's a NASCAR show no no not our listeners I mean the people you know whatever the Netflix people yeah is it good that you're out doing this I think so. Okay. I'm telling you, man, it's a NASCAR show. No, no, not our listeners. What do you mean? I mean the people, you know, whatever. The Netflix people? Yeah. Is it good that you're out doing this?

I think that you think that hunters probably are more of a scarlet letter than they are. Oh, no, I do not. What are you talking about? To entertain. I don't mean that. What did you mean? Sorry then. Like, you know, there's always like embargoes and you can't talk about shows.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, shit. I don't know. I hope not. You can't like give away details. There's like a certain level of thing where everybody just gets all secret-y. We always have people coming on here being all secret-y about stuff. And I'm like, why in the world is he being secret-y about this?

No, I'm not. I think I should probably be more secret-y. Like I'm going skiing tomorrow at Big Sky. I probably shouldn't be doing that since we're filming. But, you know, how often am I going to be in Bozeman? Yeah. Do you got a friend up there? No, I'm just going myself.

Really? Yeah. Hell yeah. It's great, man. Out in the open. You're just going to drive on up and go skiing. Hell yeah. True outdoorsman.

No skiing. That's right. I love it. This is exciting. You spend, like, weeks alone out in the woods. No, I'm always with a whole crew of people, man. This is what gets you. No, I'm just surprised that you don't have like a, I don't know, like an acting buddy

or something who's up there. No. Mo's back in New York. Mo's back in New York. Mo couldn't make it. Mo wanted to come so badly. No, Mo couldn't make it. No, I'm just going to go by myself, and then I have to go back.

I'm pitching a show to HBO on Friday and then back to New York on Saturday. Jeez, man, that's great. Yeah, man. Trying to get this hustle on. How do people watch some of your stand-up? Just Google my name, Danadute. You can put A-H-D-O-O-T. And weird fun fact, if you have a kid who is somewhere between the ages of

10 and I'd say 19 I Was on a Disney show that they are obsessed with no tell kicking it and I played you're a child actor No, I wasn't a childvert. Yeah, yeah. If any kids are listening, I'm the guy. No, it was a super racist role. I played a character named Falafel Phil. Oh, is that right? Yeah.

Yikes. Yeah, yikes. This was pretty woke. Because you're like an ethnic-looking dude. Oh, yeah. I was like, hell, who wants to have some falafel? Let's go. Meet me at the restaurant. Oh, really? Yeah was like, hell, who wants to have some falafel? Let's go. Meet me at the restaurant. Oh, really?

Yeah, it was fucked up. But kids loved it. Wow. So, do people find your act on YouTube or whatever? Yeah, yeah. Laugh Factory posts a lot of great stand-up. What's the best thing? What's the best bit?

Yeah, like the factor in like, you know, whatever. Tell us a joke. Yeah, tell us one. Okay, just like, you know, tell us a joke Okay, just tell us the main tells your best joke What's uh, but no someone wants to go look at if they're like the one thing they're gonna do they're like, okay I'm gonna check out something this guy did I think you'd probably enjoy my material about Spin class going to the gym. So if they type in Dan, Dan, I do class spin class, going to the gyms. So if they type in Dan Aduit spin class, they'll get a good taste.

You'll get a hoot from Dan Aduit. Hey, when people were dogging, this is the last question. When you were a kid and people were dogging on you, what did they do with your last name? Dan Aduish. There you go. That's a good one.

I'm impervious. There's nothing you can do, Ronella. You can do like, hey, Ronella, he's our fellavious. There's nothing you can do, Rinella. You can do like, hey, Rinella, he's our fella. There's really nothing you can do. Rinella. Oh, Rinella. Smella. Salmonella.

You're gross like salmonella. That's good. I don't think I hung out with people that really knew about that. Salmonella. And I just want to throw in a plug for bajillion dollar properties again. Oh, yeah. I think you can watch the whole show on Pluto. I forgot to plug bajillion dollar properties.

Yeah, you can watch the whole thing on Pluto or on Amazon. But you were bald. I was. I shaved my head. I shaved my head. I did not get hair plugs. Everyone thinks I got plugs. I just let this shit grow, man.

So you could have had hair the whole time. The whole time. I swear, I graduated college. I thought I was going bald. I started taking Propecia and I was like, I'm just going to shave my head because I don't want to deal with,

you know, being the guy going bald. And then I went through a breakup and I just like turned into, this was like four years ago, I went through a breakup

and I turned into like this mess, just didn't get my hair cut and it started growing out and I was like, it came back thick. This looks kind of started growing out. It came back thick. It looks kind of good, actually. Show them what you got going on, Brody. I got nothing going on.

Check this out. This is what I'm looking forward to having. I can't wait. You've got a firm head of hair. I feel like... It gets thinner up top. 46. Just turned 46. Yeah, if you're 46 and you got that hair, you're good. I don't know because it gets thinner up top and when it happens, I'm going to look just like Brody. Yeah, Brody looks good on you.

Me and Brody are both going to look like Apocalypse now. Yeah. Some people don't look good with a shaved head. Brody looks good with a shaved head. I appreciate that. I don't think Yanni would look good with a shaved head. Because you have like a... Well, his old man still has a bunch of hair, so he's good.

You've got like a rectangular... You need like a round face for it. I've run it shaved all summer. Really? Yeah, but it alludes to hair. Because it's not like shiny. I've got so much hair, I've got to cut it all down. You don't look like Telly Savalas or something.

No one knows the hell. I mean, that's a horrible reference. Telly Savalas is a good bald reference. Oh, okay, that still works. I one knows the hell. I mean, that's a horrible reference. I know who you're talking about. Telly Savalas is a good bald reference. Oh, okay. That still works. I think that still works. Okay.

I'll give that to you. All right. Dan Aduit, spin class. That's the takeaway from the whole episode. And if you're in upstate New York and you need to have your knees scoped. You go to Moe. Gotta go to Moe's. Yeah, Dr. Mohanad El-Humadi.

You can look him up. No need to tell people how to spell that. Just Google Arab doctor Upstate New York. All right, man. Thanks a lot for coming on. Thanks so much for having me. This has really been an honor. Hey folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. You might not be able to join our raffles and sweepstakes and all that because of raffle and sweepstakes law, but hear this.

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