The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 292: Chewbacco and the Avengables

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

Steven Rinella talks with Jared Outlaw, Taylor McCall, Drew Loschke, Dirt Myth, Chester Floyd, and Corinne Schneider. Topics discussed: The upper decker; the portable mud jug spittoon; how to listen to Taylor McCall’s new album, “Black, Powder, Soul”; Dirt Myth getting famous because of Brad Leone’s Bon Appetit video; the trifecta and insane amounts of tobacco use; taking a sip of a dip spit cocktail; snail mail; Go Fish! Rough Fish Edition; Steve’s dad’s identification of most bird species as tweety birds; go watch Das Boat Season 3; what you’ve been waiting for, MeatEater Season 10 out on Netflix; collecting Michigan’s red pine cones for allowance money; dipping’ Copenhagen at 16; Jared’s “How to clean a snapping turtle” and other videos; the brown leaf; snuff, snus, and slim, white, dry thunder; for the love of nicotine; second hand dipping; Outlaw’s alternative dip; how much nicotine does it take to kill a man?; save the lungs, rock the gums; the time when fifth grade Steve ate tobacco; “Tree Pounder” and Jared’s other comedy fishing songs; rockin' the cowboy boots plus track pants look; and more.Connect with Steve and MeatEaterSteve on Instagram and TwitterMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop MeatEater Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. You might not be able to join our raffles and sweepstakes and all that because of raffle and sweepstakes law, but hear this. OnX Hunt is now in Canada. It is now at your fingertips, you Canadians. The great features that you love in OnX are available for your hunts this season. Now the Hunt app is a fully functioning GPS with hunting maps that include public and crown land, hunting zones, aerial imagery, 24K topo maps, waypoints and tracking. You can even use offline maps to see where you are

without cell phone service as a special offer. You can get a free three months to try out OnX if you visit onxmaps.com slash meet. Well, hold on a minute. Let's not get started quite yet. I got one more thing I want to tell you about. Thanks for listening to the ad so far. This is Giannis Patelis, co-host of this podcast most of the time, and I want to tell you

about the TRCP 13th Annual Capital Conservation Awards Dinner Sweepstakes. It's going on right now. You can participate up until midnight, September 29th. Okay, what the grand prize is for these sweepstakes is a two-day trip for the winner and one guest to Southwestern Michigan to hunt the famed Eastern wild turkey with none other than Steven Rinella and myself. We did it last year. We had a crew that came in from Colorado,

had a great time. They all killed mature times. We did it last year. We had a crew that came in from Colorado. Had a great time. They all killed mature toms. Ivan snuck in a Jake right there at the end. It's $25 for 10 entries. Okay? It's cheap. Even if you don't win, you're supporting conservation.

You're supporting TRCP, who is constantly working for all Americans to have a quality place to hunt and fish. This is super important, folks. So come on, chip in, at least do the minimum entry fee there to win, which, like I said, you get 10 chances for $25. You can go up from there. I can guarantee you it's going to be a hoot. There's going to be some awesome stories told, lots of laughs, and good hunting is almost guaranteed. I promise I will work my ass off to get you on a big old gobbler there in southwest Michigan.

It's super fun. So everybody, please go to trcp.com and look for the 13th Annual Capital Conservation Awards Dinner Sweepstakes and apply. Help conservation, help yourself get a chance to come hunt with Steve and myself. Thanks. And now, Meteor Podcast. This is the Meteor Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug-bitten, and in my case, underwearless. Meat Eater Podcast. You can't predict anything.

Presented by First Light, creating proven, versatile hunting apparel from merino base layers to technical outerwear for every hunt. First Light. Go farther, stay longer. So Corinne, you think you're a big time engineer now? Now we just fill in for each other. Here's the deal between I've started to realize between you and Phil is when you're gone, Phil kind of acts like he knows what you're all about.

What your job's all about. And now I see it's reciprocated. Well, he kind of did a little tutorial with me for the soundboard. You look like you're DJing at a wedding or something. Hey, that's a cool image. I don't mind that. Your seat's higher than everybody else's. I'm on the least comfortable seat.

It's a high stool, but I chose a lower of the high options we have. Yeah. And you guys can sit in the comfortable, foamy seats. Oh, you look great up there. Thank you. I'll trade you if you want. Man, we got a whole—this is like a—this is a giant lip cancer convention. Well, I don't know.

So, Taylor McCall, are you spitting in that thing right now? No, no. My mouth's dry from being out here. We just got out here. You're not going to pack one in? No, it's in right now. Are you going to spit it into that little deal? Yeah.

Oh, it's in there right now. Yeah, yeah. I just go up top with the pouches. That's why I switched to the pouches so I can save. I can do it while I sound check. Oh, okay. Upper decker. Yeah, I want to get into that, upper deckers and all that.

And Jared, we're going to do intros. We're going to end on Jared. He's going to explain that little Halloween-themed spittoon. Okay. They still call it a spittoon? Yeah, a spittoon, yeah. That's a portable spittoon, so he can take it with you. It's not one of them old brass ones.

And it's got a big, well, let's just talk about it right now. It's called what? It's a mud jug. It doesn't spill? No, it doesn't spill. It's got a weighted bottom. Really? And, you know, you take the funnel right off with your two thumbs and wash it out.

Women love them. I can imagine. Smell resistant. How many days can you chew before you have that thing full of spit? I mean, it just depends on the dipper, I guess. But like me, probably two days. How many days can you chew before you have that thing full of spit? I mean, it just depends on the dipper, I guess. Like me, probably two days. Can we describe what this is?

Oh, yeah. We're on a podcast. Yeah, this is a – So talk – hold on. I'm going to go out of order. So Taylor McCall, the musician, you've been on the show before. Yeah. But you're back because your album's coming out. Yeah.

And then we're going to skip, we'll get around to some other people. And then Jared Outlaw is here. Yes, sir. How do you describe yourself? Just a guy. Like a guy. I'm just a guy, too. I can't give a description.

Like a very popular, like you got into YouTube. We'll talk about all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got into YouTube, like doing funny stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, doing outdoor stuff like fishing and hunting. But then it seemed like for a while the only thing people cared about was, what do you got in your lip?

And that was like kind of the start of me. Like a dip content pretty much. what do you got in your lip? And that was like kind of the start of me. That was dip, like a dip, dip content pretty much. Yeah, like just making vidges about dip. Vidges.

Vidges. Do, can you, can you explain something real quick? And then I want to get to the spittoon. Yeah, yeah. Taylor, you,

oh, my wife's going to see, thanks for those tickets. You're welcome. Very welcome. Is that sold out it's been we set it up 10 days like prior to coming out here

and sold out in a couple days which is nice so and my neighbor likes that venue lot that's where we record let me tell you a little bit of local

yeah something we record VO for our Netflix show at that same place. Really? Oh, that's where you do it.

You'll smell me in there. It all comes full circle. Yeah, my wife's going to see. I got to leave town, but my wife's going to check you out. Anyhow, he was saying, Taylor McCall was saying, Jared, that when he was,

how old was he? 2015, 16, 17. He used to watch your dip videos. I don't even know what the hell that means. I don't either. He's like, I kind of know him because we used to watch his dip videos. I used to have this routine that I would, before my parents got home, I would scurry home, smoke a little grass, order a pizza, and put in a dip and dip and watch his videos

until my parents got home and then i had to hide the dip can in the grass and then pizza would be gone by then the weirdest thing about what you just said is it's not the first time i've heard that it's a ritual man yeah yeah especially in the early days of like dipping it's kind of like i don't know something about it just it's like i don't know watching a hunting show while you get to kill something yeah i didn't think of dipping as a thing um not being not a dipper myself i didn't think of dipping as a thing where you took in media about it now weed smoking is always been a right right yeah like that's like a whole genre of, there's like a music, film, right?

Totally. It's got its whole thing. Totally. And that's the cool thing about dipping out is like, you'd think country musicians, like they'd be dipping and stuff where it's like, it's actually kind of on its way out in the industry. And I feel like one of the ones that's like, I ain't afraid to be a little manly sometimes, you know what I mean?

No, I understand. I understand. Yeah. You're young enough be a little manly sometimes, you know what I mean? No, I understand. I understand. Yeah. You're young enough to still be manly. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Jared, I got another question for you. One thing that interested me about you is you did a couple seasons commercial fishing.

Yeah. In Alaska. I did, yeah. Like purse seining or what? No. So first year was set net. So I went up there and that's where, I mean, set netting is basically all by hand. And the first year I was in the Cook Inlet out of Kenai.

Yep. And so that was brutal as far as, I just remember the captain that I had, like when he was calling me, I was living in Florida at the time. And he would call me, he's like, are you strong? You got to make sure you're strong. And I was like yeah i'm strong man i've been to the gym like four times and uh so i went up there and you know when i was uh i think i had just turned 19 and um so first year was setting it and then i did a little bit of cod fishing and halibut fishing around there and then second year went up was for the cod was it uh traps pots yeah and so are those baited or they just got like wings that go out yeah so you you you can bait them and then they have like uh

you can long line for them to kind of the same way you do halibut like you'll go out and you long line halibut and you can you know get rock cod or something like that off the bottom yeah um and then the second year went out i was on a gill net boat in the Bering sea. So I was in, out of, uh, Port Molar, which is. Gill netting for what? Salmon in the summers. So, uh, yeah. So you, I mean, you're, you're catching everything from red, silvers, pinks, kings, and, uh.

Like gill netting in the estuaries. Yeah. Okay. And you're, uh, we would basically just run the, the illusions and all the way up to like, you know, where, uh, where, uh, what's it, uh, deadliest catches filmed in Dutch Harbor. We're like just South of that, um, or just East of that. And, uh, and you're kind of just trolling through the islands and, and just trying to, how old were you when you were doing all that? Uh, I think I was, I turned 21 on the Bering Sea and I didn't even know it was my birthday.

It was like, uh, I think that was my last year up there. Yeah. You were just like in a haze of daylight. Yeah. We, we, the salmon run hit. So my birthday is May 25th. And so the salmon run hit, uh, the red started running like a couple of days before my birthday. And I think we went like, I mean, I don't even know. I don't, I can barely remember. Cause we never

slept. Like when you watch deadliest catch, it's no joke. Like it's, you just don't sleep, especially being a musician. Yeah. So, uh, so I was up probably in that time for over two days straight. Um, and plus my, I, I had the shitty end of the stick cause my captain had arthritis real bad. So he couldn't pick fish. The guy that wants to know how tough you are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is no, no, this is my second year. Are you tough? Yeah. And, uh, so he had arthritis real bad in his hand. So he couldn't pick fish. You know so he couldn't pick fish you know when you're when you're you're uh picking fish i mean it's a lot of work and it's a it's a quarter mile long net and so you're bringing it in on the hydraulic drum and you're you're just slowly picking fish

out when it's the run you've got 10 000 fish in the thing you're pulling kings over and he's just standing there looking at you like go faster go faster are you sorting all those fish as you pull them off yeah so we had uh like braillers in we'd like a so on this i think they call them bronco boats but the so ever you do all the work off the stern of the boat and the wheelhouse and everything's up front it's not as big as the boats you see on you know deadliest catch but um so the gill net is directly in the center on the on the back and you know you you've got fish holes directly under that so we have the the tops open sometimes like during the salmon run we would just be i'd be picking

fish and and just throwing them on deck and then sorting them later because you're just trying to get them in get the net back in the water as fast as possible. And were you making good money doing that? I didn't. I thought, you know, everybody kind of goes up there thinking it's kind of like a gold rush. Oh, yeah, everybody goes up there thinking they're going to get rich. When I was in graduate school, my roommate would go up and do the cannery runs, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he'd come back with some decent money, man. He wouldn't do anything for months afterward.

Well, if I worked for like Peter Pan or something, the canneries up there, I would have made more money, which I would have hated that. I mean, at least when you're on that boat fishing, you get, you know, you get killer whales coming up and humpbacks and you get to see bald eagles all the time and stuff like that. But, but, uh, yeah, the canneries is rough, you know? Yeah. It's not like as adventurous. Yeah. But I mean, if we, like the, the two years I was up there, the salmon runs didn't produce very well. Um, I can't, I'm trying to remember the years I was

up there. I think it was 2010 and 11, uh, 2009 and 10 maybe. And the salmon runs just weren't producing that well. And, um, that second year, I mean, when you're a fisherman up in Alaska, it's all about networking. It's all about who, you know, the captains, you know, I had a job ready for me on a crab boat that winter. And, uh, I came back home and I was like, yeah, I don't know if I'm going to go back up, man. Like I, like they, they, they don't guarantee you, they give you a percentage, you know, but it's, uh, from what I was hearing, they're just like, you know, I mean, I'm, I'd rather go back to dipping. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So, Ed, what's up, Dirt? I have a dipping commercial fishing little story. Do you? Yeah. So, I did a season per se. But I haven't reintroduced you yet. Oh, I'm Dirt. No.

Yeah, you know what? You're, like, famous now. Me and Chester are working our asses off, making that Bon Appetit video with Brad Leone. I know. And then you get famous off it, and you weren't even there. I know. I was there in spirit.

And actually, I've had more people recognize me and Helena from that video than all the meat eaters. Yeah, me and Chester could have been saying good stuff about ourselves. Right? We could have been like, oh, I'm the greatest man ever. You know? Rassle the bear. Whatever, I could have been like, oh, I'm the greatest man ever. You know? Rassle the bear. Whatever.

I could have said crazy stuff. But instead, we talked about how cool you were and they made like a thing about how cool you are. And now you're like famous and me and Chester, just nothing.

Well, I'll share, now that I'm famous, when I see an opportunity, I'll highlight you guys, let people know who you are. And they better put a graphics element in like the Bon Appetit people did for you.

Yeah. No, it was nice. It was real nice. It made me smile. Man, you look super famous. I know. I feel different. No, I got nervous seeing you come in.

I was like, my hands are shaking. I was like, oh my God, it's Dirtman. Chester's Dirtman. He's in the office. In person. But no, this is, you're going to like this. You're going to like this. Hold on one sec, because you realize we're going to talk about this platoon.

This is dip related and fishing related. I just want to make sure. So yeah, I did, I purse sanded out of Ketchikan or near there, H-Bay. And we'd sometimes do sets for the hatchery. And so we had a tender that would come up. We'd, you know, we'd purse the net and then they'd come. We wouldn't even put it on deck. We'd put the fish, the tender would suck the fish out of the net.

Is that right? Yeah. For the hatchery. Cause then they'd transport them. Oh, when it goes to that. Oh, I see. Yeah. But so one of the tender operators, this guy, Justin, he'd have a dip in, he'd be smoking and he'd be doing the sniff snuff.

Oh yeah. Nasal snuff. Yeah. What's the term for that? Uh, yeah. Nasal snuff. No, I, and he'd be doing the sniff snuff. Oh, yeah, nasal snuff, yeah. What's the term for that? Yeah, nasal snuff. No, I mean like when you're doing like three tobacco products. Oh, the trifecta.

That's the trifecta. That's the thing. Nicotine addict. Sniff bomb. Yeah. So he's doing, he's kind of, I mean, I was young and I was a chewer, but I was like, that guy's definitely going overboard. So a month later passes, they come back out.

I said, where's Justin? And the tender captain said he was in the hospital for internal bleeding. What's that called? Internal bleeding? Yeah. No, like ruptured something. Ruptured artery? No.

Aorta? Aorta valve? No, he was in the hospital.ured artery? No. Aorta? Aorta valve? No, he was in the hospital. Hernia? No. Something like that. Hematopin or something. Hemorrhoids?

Hemorrhoids. So he was in the hospital. Dr. Dirt here. Because of the overconsumption of nicotine products. No. Yeah. So the next time he comes out, he's in the hospital for overdoing it, you know. So they admitted him for like too much tobacco.

Yeah, which caused the internal bleeding. Yeah. And so when he came like a month later, they're back out and he's back on the boats. Oh, good to see you, Justin. Glad you're good. He's smoking and chewing still, but he's not doing the sniffs.

Yeah. That was his. So he cut back. He cut back one of the trifecta pieces. He did a 33% reduction. The people up in Alaska, man, I mean, when you're talking about nicotine up there on fishing boats, it is insanity.

Okay, so explain the deal. The mud jug? Yeah, can I tell you a story first, though? Yeah, yeah. It's about that. We'll get to this by the end of the show. No, this is going to tee that up. This is going to tee that up.

No, we'll tee it up for the entire duration of the recording. Years ago, I was dating a flight attendant. And I remember we were out, one of our first ever dates, man. And we were out shooting pool at a bar. And I don't know what I, like I went to have a sip of my drink, but it wasn't my drink. Oh, no. Yeah, and you know what? I just grinned and bared it.

I didn't say anything to her about it. Could you taste what it was? Oh, listen, man. Wintergreen. Oh, no, because I'm not that level of an aficionado, man. I'm not like a – I've never been on the – if they ever come out with another issue, a an aficionado, man. I'm not like a... I've never been on the... If they ever come out with another issue of Dip Aficionado, Jared should be on it.

Yeah. See that? One and only. Wow. Oh, man. Yeah, you're sitting next to him. Autographs after the podcast. That's the guy right there. Wow. No way. Over at Dip Aficionado magazine. Now I'm shaking.

Holy. So, oh, I took it, a big gulp. And Addis was like, yeah. Didn't mention it. Didn't spit it back up. Didn't mention it. Just rode it out. Went back from a...

It's tough. I could take you to that bar and show you right where that thing was sitting. Oh, my God. Now could take you to that bar and show you right where that thing was sitting. Now, that tees that up. That solves that problem. Yeah, exactly. I would never drink out of that. I mean, this is why it was created. It's got a weighted bottom so it won't spill.

Can I see a clean one? Yeah, this is a clean one. So you haven't spat in there yet? No. It's like a mini pumpkin with a lip. It's got a little tab on the side where you can put your thumb on a deck eye and you can pop it up. But, yeah, here. It's not threaded. Just a little, nah. Oh, I see.

Yeah, there you go. And so it's just like, you know, it looks like an old spittoon, but, you know, you can do a whole bunch of custom stuff. So we did meat eater mud jugs for y'all. That's great yeah then you leave that around the house you're not spilling it yeah if it tips over it doesn't dump out no yeah i was saying i noticed that you guys generally like to like when i was growing up people like to they really prefer to do it into a mountain dew bottle yeah oh yeah yeah i mean before that was a plastic dew bottle yeah and was around, that's all it was. Let's get a plastic dew bottle. Yeah. And for some reason, that's what I like to spit. So back in high school, we used to cut the tops off of Mountain Dew bottles. So you'd cut it like halfway up, and then you'd flip it over, and then it becomes a spittoon.

And you put some tape on there? Put some tape on there. Did you weight the bottom? No. I mean, you could. You could throw rocks in the bottom. Sure, man. But yeah, that's what we used to do back in the day.

So you sell this product? Yeah. Those are Mud Jokes. How do they, how do folks find this? Mudjoke.com. Oh, it's your own URL and everything. Yeah. That's awesome.

Yeah. All right. So also joined by, Drew, explain yourself. I'm Drew Lasky. So I'm Taylor McCall's manager. I work with a couple other artists too too, John Goolsbee and Olivia Woolf. And I'm just here to hang out and see what's going on. He's a decent manager, huh?

Yeah, great. At best. Was that a wink, Taylor? Did you just wink at Steve? I couldn't see it right eye, so I couldn't see a wink at you. Taylor, tell everybody real quick, what's up with your album? I've been sitting on it. We recorded it in November, so I couldn't see the link at you. Tanner, tell everybody real quick, what's up with your album? I've been sitting on it. We recorded it in November, so I've been sitting on it for a little while.

And we just got these vinyl and CD, the graphic and everything, the full package in a couple weeks ago. I think it's going to be a big hit, man. I believe so. I like this album. Thank you, man. We listened to it so much that, like I said, we broke it. Yeah, yeah. In our camper, we have a CD player.

That's a good problem to have In our camper We have a CD player And we only keep A couple CDs in there Totally And busted it I might start bringing you extras

I keep the outtakes All the stuff that didn't make Exile on Main Street I love that That's in there That's great And your thing Yeah Ventilator Blues

You got that one in there No Is that one of the tunes On what didn't make It was on there What didn't make Exile on Main Street? Amazing. That's one of my favorite records. And then we have a Typhoon album in there.

Nice, nice. Sweet. Now we're back up to three. That's right. How'd you do three sides to a record? So it's got, Drew, can you explain that? You might be better. Yeah, so basically it's save money.

Instead of splitting it off onto four sides, we put it on three. Yeah. Well, there's two records in this record thing. There's two records. Yeah, the issue was running to, we would have had to, like there's so much, like an intro and outro. It's my grandfather singing on here. And not too many people these days are putting nine-minute songs on vinyl,

and that creates, you know, you need more records. So that was the most efficient way you need to give out a record player with this son of a bitch because no one's got a record player people they are now yeah i mean that's coming back in that's coming back in and people when they're selling vinyl at walmart people got record players yeah yeah that's coming back around it's weird man i'll tell you what if if i when i was just at my mom's house we went to visit with my kids and everything. Once it looked like the pandemic was over, went for a minute, whatever that was, whatever

that two weeks was. Yeah. We went to visit my mom, and man, she still got, I don't know where it came from. I get like hundreds of, I'm exaggerating, dozens of these. Yeah. Old albums. It's all that stuff from that era. It's like J. Giles Band, REO Speedwagon,

whenever the hell all that was happening. Totally. Well, it's just a piece of, I mean, it's like, to me, it's like it's everything. It's the art. It's how the list is in order and obviously the music, but it's, I don't know, the vinyl is like something. Instead of watching TV,

I used to just get a new record and just cut the TV off, blast the speakers and eat my dinner, and it was like a nice, I don't know, refreshing way to have an evening, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. It's kind of a piece that you can sit down with someone and say, you know, let's listen to this thing all the way through rather than, oh, we have the option

to skip or, like psychopath people that listen on shuffle, you know, that's, you know let's listen to this thing all the way through rather than oh we have the option to skip or like psychopath people that listen on shuffle you know that's you know you know you don't have that option yeah you gotta listen to the way the artist wants it yeah so uh one did you play black powder soul last time you were on the show you guys were the first to hear it yeah and what are you gonna play this time time? Hell's Half Acre or something. Figure it out. I kind of just don't come in here with an agenda, just kind of freeform it. You remember when he had to write that ditty about Yanni? Yeah, yeah.

Saw some comments on that saying, that boy can't write no ditties. No, no, dude. That's a challenge. Good blues musician, bad ditty writer. Yeah, yeah. I'm okay with that, though. You're like, your focus is ditties.

Oh, yeah, man. I'm big time into ditties. Yeah. And then Chester's here. Hey, everybody. Chester's here because he's here because he likes to be in on anything that has to do with tobacco. This is like a collection of folks who dip. Is that why I'm here?

Yeah. I was like, you know who else likes to dip? I would like to think that it was like... I like music, you know? I was like, you know who else likes to dip? I would like to think that it was like, I like music, you know? I was like, you know who else likes to dip? Bring Chester down. Oh, we got to talk about a couple of quick things. So a lot of times when we cover off at the top of the show, we cover off on email. We call it mail, but it's email.

But this is a special edition because this is stuff that actually came in the mail. So, Corinne, you'll appreciate this. So, you know how we've talked a lot about the writer Duncan Gilchrist, the late Duncan Gilchrist? I always talk about this because a friend of mine was with Duncan when he died. Yeah. Filming Bighorn Sheep. He said he just looked over and he was dead. So much, it was so surprising that my friend turned to him and said

duncan where did you go just the heart attack or what yeah yeah so duncan wrote these great books hunt high and all about bears and i was we were talking on here about how there's they were self-published and he didn't make many of them so now they're super expensive like people sell his books like a thousand bucks but with no no or nothing this shows up in the mail a fresh copy all about bears from australia no note wow i couldn't tell if i was supposed to sign it it's just nothing i think it was a gift i think it was like he's like hey i gotta copy that and I know they're rare. Yeah, brand spickety new, all about bears. Wow. From Australia. We got to find out who.

Yeah. Well, I got his info right here. Okay, yep. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Thank you. Oh, another guy wrote in, or like literally wrote in. He bought a print.

This will go in the studio. It's a print of the world's jackalopes. From the world over. Pass this around. All the species of jackalope-like creatures. Very nice gift. You're going to need a bigger studio to hang all this stuff on walls.

I know. This is a busy week. I just discovered. I didn't know about, like, 15 minutes ago, 20 minutes ago, I didn't know about any of this stuff. I did know about this, though. So, yeah, what do you think of that, Chester? I think if I get another tattoo, it might be one of these guys. Yeah, for sure. There's a scientific journal called fisheries I

think it's called fisheries right is it called fisheries I know it because it's always sitting on my brother has published and fisheries and whatnot anyways this article see this article right here that's a it's a article appearing in an issue of fisheries which is the scientific journal of the fisheries world the article is called goodbye to rough fish paradigm shift in the conservation of native fishes what's a rough fish it's from a peer-reviewed journal what's rough fish uh it's a step up from what they used to be called which is trash fish oh okay so trash fish would be carp buffalo burbot to some people some people call white fish trash fish every kind of every kind of sucker okay every fish. Every kind of sucker. Okay.

Every kind of the dozens of sucker species. Gar, like long-nose, short-nose alligator. Might at one time have all been what they call trash fish. Uh-huh, right. But fish and game agencies even will still use, like fish and game agencies never said trash fish. They would say rough fish. And this article is talking about a shift in public perception around trash fish. It was interesting.

I'm getting to the main point in a minute here. Oh, he's got, who wants to take a look at that? Here, here's a litany. Here's a rogues gallery of trash fish in this article. Oh, wait, side note. We should, uh, for a new meat eater game, we should, uh, do a deck of cards

for Go Fish, but do all kinds of... Remember when they invaded Iraq and they made that deck of cards everybody they were looking for? Yeah. We could make a deck of cards of all the rough fish. Based off of that Iraq deck of cards. Because the ace of spades

was Saddam. I think. Oh, you know spades was Saddam. I think. Oh, you know what I was reading the other day? In Inherent Vice, the Thomas Pynchon novel. They made a movie with Joaquin Phoenix and stuff. Inherent Vice. Anyways, in Inherent Vice, he was saying that what Wild Bill Hickok, everybody knows the dead man's hand. Aces and eights,

the fifth card. This book says that his fifth card was the seven of hearts. No one knows that. But then I got to thinking and looked it up and it's a widely debated issue. What was Wild Bill's fifth card?

Have you seen Battle to Buster Scruggs? No. You haven't seen that? Everyone's told me I need to watch it. When you watch it, you'll see Buster Scruggs is invited to join a card game. And he wants his own hand dealt. And they're like, you can play that hand.

And he looks, and it's aces and eights. And then sets him down and says i don't want to play but then still dies later that day like just being just peering at aces and eights killed him so uh who's got the rogue gallery i do these are all rough fish i'm getting to the point here was pike on there pike minnow oh northern pike minnow the northern pike minnow is a fish previously known as a squaw fish in some areas so this there's a graph in here about scientific research of fish where is this thing man oh look at this so i'm holding up a graph that shows how much fish are researched.

Okay. And here up top, of course, the rainbow trout. There's a book about the rainbow trout called like the world's first synthetic fish. That's rainbow trout. Okay. And then it goes down of like, so these are game fishes, the top. It's just like a relative graph showing scientific research of fishes. Of the game fishes, the most researched three, I'll do the most researched five fish. Rainbow trout by like a long shot.

Then kind of lumped together, Chinook salmon, largemouth bass, Atlantic salmon, and brook trout are all kind of like in second place for scientific resources to study. And then relative to that, it gets into rough fish non-native and rough fish native. Of rough fish escapees, the ones that got into new waters, lake whitefish gets the most research, and it gets about as much research as a sauger. The least is the alligator gar. And then look at the pissant amount of research that happens on all these species of fish here.

So like basically of of zero interest to the scientific community to date would be such as short-nosed gar spotted sucker golden red horse gold eye quillback carp sucker sacramento pike minnow moon eye silver red horse blue sucker river red horse high fin carp sucker tail red horse. How many of you in the room know some of those fish or all of them? Yeah? I don't know all of them. I mean, good eat. Like, why not?

No, trash fish. No, but that's a whole, you know, we, okay. Everyone can go watch episode one. Rough and trashy. Everyone can go watch episode one of Pardon My Plate with Steve and Spencer about carp. And I mean, these are like yeah acculturated well that's that's why i'm bringing this up or that they talk about our work in this article oh they they talk about the work of our company in this article they mention it or that

that video being like of being part of like part of a broader movement of hat of teaching people to have an appreciation for these native fishes that have been in your waterways since the beginning of time. I mean, at the end of the day, can't anyone make, you know, can't these fish go well in fish cake? Sure. Yeah, your fish cake recipe. I mean. Yeah. That video that Dirk got famous in, mountain whitefish.

Yep. You can watch that. That's trash fish. Yeah. You can watch that. That's trash fish. Yeah. You can do two things at once. You can find out about Mountain Whitefish and find out how Dirk got famous.

But, okay. All by watching the same video. But just the whole trash fish thing or rough fish thing. So, like, whose palate? Is it really just based on taste as a thing?

I mean, who... Because they feed on the bottom, maybe, some of them suckers. Sure. I think it's this. That I get. It's that there's an excessive amount of bone As a thing? I mean, who? Because they feed on the bottom, maybe? Some of them suckers. Sure. Right? That I get. It's that there's an excessive amount of bone. Almost universally, there's a lot of bone.

Yeah, but you can pickle it and dissolve the bone. Okay. Let me put it this way. It would be that it takes the greatest amount of work, the greatest amount of effort to yield a taste and dining experience acceptable to the average American palate. Yeah, but okay, we like peanut butter and jelly and burgers. Yes, they would give that. That would not be a rough sandwich.

We've got boring salads. That would not be a rough sandwich. Now, if you had a peanut butter, jelly, and bone sandwich, that might be a rough sandwich. Okay. Got it. But it's just getting – so that's the paradigm shift is stop – like, when I was a kid, my dad knew all the game birds. Okay? He knew a couple birds he hated.

And every other bird on the planet was a Tweety bird. Hundreds of Tweety bird species, two birds that he hated. And then like, he liked Rob, he liked Robbins and chickadees. He hated crows and blue Jays. Then there's all the game birds and then there's Tweety birds. That was basically how it went. Do you think it's a visual thing too with the fish? The rainbow trout just

looks prettier than a carp? No, I don't think it's visual. It's the processing. I don't think so. That's it for the mailbag. That was all physical mail. Look at that. Physical mail and records.

We're back in time. That's right. Okay, last records. We're back in time. That's right. Last thing. This is back to email. It's kind of weird because it's an internal email. Corey Calkins. If you email us, that's who reads the email. Among other things.

He must have been out scouting or hunting this weekend. Hunting. There's a bad drought here right now. He sent a picture of a water tank he found the green is this the water here looks like gatorade that level of green and in one tank because he's thinking he's thanking the drought on this how thirsty it's making everything in one tank he sent a photo of this, are floating. 24 pine squirrels, two gophers, and two chickadees.

Oh, man. Floating in a tank. Just trying to get water. Take a look at that. I'll put that on Instagram. So if you go to at Steve Murnell on Instagram, you'll find, just look for a bunch of dead stuff floating in some green water. You'll know that you're looking at the right picture.

Isn't that something? Damn. The ranch I grew up on, for the first time ever, they had sheep die this year because of the heat and drought. Really? Ever. It's five generations of families. It's been a dry year.

Oh, Christ. I think they died from the water or just from drowning. Drowning. Thirst crazed pine squirrels. Oh, last thing before we get to the meat of it here. Das Boat season three is out. Northeast. Northeast.

Episode one features our very own Cal and Joel Cermelli fishing New Jersey stripers. So you can check that out now. How do they go? I would just, if you type in like, if you go into Google and type in like Das Boat,

it'll pull you right up. It'll pull up and you can watch it on our Meat Eaters YouTube channel or on our website. Yep. Ignore everything

about Das Boot. If it's a bunch of Germans in a submarine, that's not the right thing. If it's Germans in a sub, it's the wrong video. If it's a bunch of Germans in a submarine, that's not the right thing. If it's Germans in a sub, it's the wrong video. If it's Americans in a boat, that's the right video.

That's the best way to tell. Season 10 drops on Netflix, 9-29. September 29. Coming right up. A lot of Dirt's handiwork on there. Speaking of that,

I was going to tell you, I'll hit 50 episodes this season, I think. Really? You've done 50 episodes? No kidding. Of Meat Eater, not counting like

Stars in the Sky and stuff. Yeah. Well, I'm at 46. I think New Mexico will be 46. Really? Yeah. Congratulations, Dirt.

That's cute. It's like a 50th wedding anniversary. Now I'm really shaking. I got a quick note for kids in my home state, Michigan. Right now, the DNR is paying 75 bucks a bushel for red pine cones. So if you're a kid, well, I mean, they'll pay adults too, but I don't think adults should be out hogging them.

Do you know what I mean? It's like, you know they pay adults too, but I don't think adults should be out hogging them. Do you know what I mean? It's like, you know, they're out there, but I don't think they should be out there. I think it should be for kids to do. 75 bucks per bushel. Red pine is on an off year this year. So producing less seed. So there won't be enough seedlings in a few years to replant and transplant. In order to get paid for your bushels

you need to register with the dnr first so if you're a kid have your mom and dad help you register go and collect red pine cones 75 bucks a bushel you remember they started paying that bounty on um on northern pike minnows and some guys are pulling six figures six figures figures? How much is it by now? But the guy put himself out of business because the next year he only made 75K. Oh, well for him. Like he outfished his, he bounty hunting for fish.

How much is a bushel? Roughly, volume wise. It's like four packs, right? I don't know. What's four packs? Or three packs? Or so I can't remember. Or maybe three bushels is a pack.

This is easily solvable. Easily solvable. You're going to get that nursery rhyme. 64 U.S. pints. That's a lot of pine cones. For dry goods. And you can't pick them off the ground. You got to pluck them from the tree.

You have to bring your mom and dad in a ladder. It's getting more complicated for the kids in Michigan. Okay, now back to Taylor. You got a new album coming out. Tell everybody about it. It is, when I moved to Nashville, I feel like I had necessarily three years to kind of, from when I started there, I had seven songs

and transpired into now having about 150 or so. And then now it got whittled down to how many, 12 on this record? Twelve. Twelve. Plus your grandpa. Plus my grandfather. Yeah, so your grandpa makes a cameo on it. Yeah, so it's kind of a salute to him.

So I was at a funeral, and that song came on, I think, my great-grandmother, like maybe four years ago or so. And the kind of family historian lady i was like i was like i gotta have this one who died how they died my great-grandmother uh she was just old real old you know what i mean old age got old age yeah and uh and uh anyway that came on and i was like man this is a cool johnny cash song and i was like wait that's my grandfather and my mother's singing harmonies uh she's 13 or 14 and that and uh i had that file of eight tracks that she sent me and the only one of my grandfather

was number four and uh it took me like two years before i could even muster up to really listen to it and so like halfway through the record i was like um we got into drinking some tequila and wine and i showed the guys like a cocktail and i showed uh the producer sean and uh he started crying i don't know if it was from the tequila or wine but he was like this has got to be on here and i don't know it's it's a i like to think in a lot of different unconventional ways and to me it's like a outcast thing like an old hip-hop thing to put a weird intro or that you know and a lot of people that have listened to this privately have gotten caught into the record because it's it reminds them of something maybe from like they something familiar

you know with old country music yeah and i look at it as a uh as a piece like the beginning and the end the old ship of zion it's kind of this you know you get dropped off by the boat and you get picked up at the end and in the middle is this like hellish sonic landscape that uh me and Sean made ourselves everything and uh Ben Alamont who played keys on like two songs but other than that we hunkered down for two weeks and made this and uh couldn't have uh it's one of those things like I'm sure when you write a book um it's one of those things you can kind of have this master plan of how it's going to maybe be your masterpiece. But when it kind of towards the end of the process, when you get out to the other side, sometimes it can be more that you could never have realized. And to me, this is a, it's really one of those that kind of happened like

that. And I don't know, just, uh, once you get that energy, uh, the feeling you get from making this stuff, it's hard to put it down. You know, you mentioned writing a book. I think a strategy for writing a book, and I've done this, is write an ending that you think is real good. And then try to write a book that would be good enough to have the ending. That's right. You're like, man, if I can deliver on that ending. Yes.

And a beginning. Good ending and a beginning. But start with the ending first, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And then what I'll do is I'll write all the easy parts. Okay. And then I just kind of like don't do it. Your chorus first.

Then I don't do it. Yeah, then I don't do anything. Your chorus first. Then I don't do anything for a long time. Then I start writing the hard parts. Yeah. Well, I feel like you learn so much. I didn't know half the things I knew before I started being a songwriter.

It's one of those things you can use. I don't know half the things I knew before I started being a songwriter. It's one of those things you can use. I don't know. I was playing a wedding. Some fans of mine, they were getting married, and one of their sisters was like kind of flew me up there in secret, and I played for them. And it's just one of those things. They were taking me to the airport, and you're like,

you're reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead? That's weird. But as a writer, the more not normal things you read, the better ideas and the broader perspective you have. You know, that's weird. But as a writer, the more, you know, not normal things you read, the better ideas and the broader perspective you have. You know what I mean? Sure. You have more to pull from or a bunch of useless stuff that, I don't know, when you have a few drinks,

you can tell a couple people. So when you start playing around a tour for the album, how will that go? We're starting end of October, going to Texas with the producer Sean McConnell. Yep, so it'll be my first time in Texas, step foot in there, and it's going to be a great run of shows and running a duo. So I've been, this was the first project of electric guitar stuff, so I've been working the kinks with the gear part for like four or five dates before this run. And we're playing Americana Fest.

September 22nd. So it'll be a good good run i like to do it in short spurts some kind of home body and i feel like i give everything i got when i make music you know it's uh it's not a half-assed thing it really comes from here so i have to kind of hit it hard and then rest you know my mind and body i see what it means see what it means to like want to live in a cave forever sometimes you know do you still regard yourself as a fisherman, or is that behind you now? No, it's not behind me. I just don't get to – my headspace is kind of flipped right now with the aspect of getting this to a place to where I can really get

to where I want to fish. I don't really fish much in Tennessee because I got spoiled out here, and I'd rather put in the time and get to a place where I can go down to Patagonia or something rather than just stay. Oh, because you like fishing for trout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, Tennessee's got way better fishing. He doesn't care about trash fish.

Tennessee's got way better fishing than this state. They got armadillo fish, too. They float. That's a great fishing state. They've got some great fishing, but, like, right in Nashville, like, you know. It's piss poor fishing. Yeah, yeah. The problem is. All those songwriters down there sure talk about it all damn time. fishing up but like right in nashville like um you know it's poor fishing yeah yeah the problem

is those all those songwriters down there sure talk about it all damn time yeah i mean it's but they i don't know they they haven't you know been between the lakes you know up there in madison it's like that's to me you know it's like using a shitty guitar to record a record with it's like i'd rather not record the record you know what i mean oh gosh part of the problem with taylor's fishing right now is that he lives 10 steps away from a recording studio so yeah yeah that stevie ray vaughn he cut his last record on and i've just been learning how to use the board and operate a system that is 100 out of my league and it's uh it's a beautiful thing to like i don't know a lot of this musical journey has been like very spiritual in the sense of like too good to be true shit

It's always happening and for a 24 year old to have Complete access of a studio that Steve Ray Vaughn sat there and touched the knobs and that was his last record He would die a year later and it was most Commercially successful record. It's like I don't know. It's to me when I had that studio this week I was like, oh man, I gotta go to Montana. It's like and when I'm here, it's like I don't want. To me, when I had that studio this week, I was like, oh, man, I got to go to Montana. And when I'm here, it's like, oh, I don't want to go back to Tennessee. So it's a weird headspace, you know? So if this launches your career and you get all famous, you'll still come on the show?

100%. I don't know, man. We're going to be in Patagonia fishing a little bit, so we have to make it mobile. I've already got some connections down there and been working on my Spanish. That's good Spanish that's good hey folks exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada and boy my goodness do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes

and our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Whew. Our northern brothers get irritated. Well, if you're sick of, you know, sucking high and titty there, OnX is now in Canada. The great features that you love in OnX are available for your hunts. This season, the hunt app is a fully functioning GPS with hunting maps that include public and crown land hunting zones, aerial imagery, 24 K topo maps,

way points, and tracking. That's right. You were always talking about, uh, we're always talking about on X here on the meat eater podcast. Now you, um,

you guys in the great white North can, can be part of it. Be part of it. Be part of the excitement. You can even use offline maps to see where you are without cell phone service. That's a sweet function. As part of your membership, you'll gain access to exclusive pricing on products and services handpicked by the on X hunt team. Some of our favorites are first light, Schnee's vortex federalortex Federal, and more.

As a special offer, you can get a free three months to try OnX out if you visit onxmaps.com.me. onxmaps.com.me. Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. We already cleared up this weird deal that you grew up watching. Yeah. Jared Outlaw's dip videos. 100%. Pack, dip, spit. That's it.

Enjoy. Okay, Jared, explain how, like, I remember seeing a list of a list of, like, early famous YouTube people. And you were on it. Yeah. Like, how? I started back in 2007. Like, YouTube basically really started in, like, 2000. It was, like, the end of 2005, but it was still kind of like a weird video chat dating site kind of.

It was? Yeah, a little bit. And you could do, like, video responses and things like that. So a little bit before it started. Hold on. I'm like, I didn't know this, but give me a little YouTube history. What was it? So it was like a video response dating site.

It was kind of how like, well, I think what they did, I mean, I don't know. That's what they intended well they they went to a million different things because they had this like broadcast yourself type of platform where it was like what what works because you know facebook was was starting to to to become bigger myspace was already big at that time so they're trying yeah and facebook was weird it was like a way to vote on like who was good looking yeah yeah it was all just like vote up. Well, I mean, you get the same thing. You like scroll through all the girls at college and give them like a yay name.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That shows you kind of like as much as they act now like, you know, like, oh, we're helping the world. Yeah. It's like you really see into the mentality of these people. Like, and it makes people shallow. Yeah. Like you look at Tinder or something. But now they all act like they're like diplom're like diplomats yeah yeah yeah yeah so i mean it started

as that and then you know you got um at the very very beginning it was kind of just like people would upload like you know they're like funniest home videos you know like afv back in the day so you'd see a lot of cat videos you remember like like the Charlie bit my finger? Oh, yeah. That was like YouTube's first viral video and like keyboard cat back in the day. It was like a cat playing a keyboard. I do remember that Charlie bit my finger. Yeah, they found that on Osama bin Laden's hard drive

on his computer was Charlie bit my finger. Really? He liked that video? Yeah, he loved that video. That's a random fact for you right there. Cow, man. He loved that video. So he was into that video.

Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Huh. But anyways. Did he have any Jared's videos on there? I wish. That's funny.

Well, yeah. So I started more around- So how old were you then? I was like 15. No, I was 16 when I first started. And like I said- Were you trying to use it for dating? No, no. No, that was before. That was like when they first started, like 2005. Okay. And I was big. So when I was younger, I was big into acting and anything I could do, like to like just entertain people. Like no matter if it was like, like if my mom was like watching the news, I'd be like, I could do that. Yeah. I could do that. I'm going to do it. So I would get, uh.

Like be a newscaster. Yeah. Whatever it was, like, I just wanted to entertain. Over to you,ave yeah yeah and so i would just uh i would just kind of make these skits and sketches and things like that but i remember i did one mostly comedy yeah mostly comedy stuff because back in the day like now you have what you call a vlog which is like still you just yeah you just film yourself you use that term anymore yeah yeah they still use it um i you know, you just, yeah, you just film yourself. I never hear people use that term anymore. Yeah. Yeah. They still use it. Um, I mean, I guess you just say video now, but like everybody's a vlogger now. So it was like, they do it on their Instagram and all that. But back in the day, that's, it wasn't even around yet. So the biggest things on YouTube were like, or that there started

to become channels that would get bigger and get more subscribers. And like they would just start making sketches or skits that were like two to three minutes long. And kind of like like an old sketch sketch comedy show that you would see on Comedy Central or something like that. It was like on YouTube and you would get more of it because it was like normal people like us sitting in this room doing it you know and so like when i first started the the most popular i think it was uh like smosh or this girl lisa nova they had like 20 000 subscribers and that was the most that was a big number it was the biggest youtuber in the world and i couldn't even believe it i was like they could fill up an arena with their audience this is insane and and you couldn't even make money on YouTube. But these aren't like people who are in like total redneck shit, right?

No, no, no, no. I was the only dude, probably. You're like, okay, keep telling the story. We'll get to that. I mean, there was probably like around a thousand people that like even made like actual content. I just did it because I like doing it and I would just do whatever I wanted to do, even if, you know, a hundred people would watch. And so then, um, and then they, uh, like 2000 and, uh, or no, before that I, I made like a hunting

video and I had a dip in cause I was dipping at the time. And like everybody, what were you like what was the hunting video I can't even remember it was something like and you were living where I was living in Colorado okay I was I went to high school in Colorado right outside of Denver and uh and we were like hunting these fake deer in my front yard that we had like these little like statue deer okay so this is like a comedy yeah Yeah. Like a sketch video. Yeah. And, uh, and back at the, I mean, this is before you could even really do editing like windows movie maker had just come out and I had it on my, uh, at our computer. And so I would like, try to like,

you know, you would quit cut. That's about all you could do. There was no transitions or anything like that. So I try to try to do all the editing in camera before we would, you know, post it. And it took me, I made videos for years, like ever since I was a kid, but I just didn't know how to post it. You know, you got to like hook your camera up. I had one of those giant VHS, like you put the whole VHS tape in the side. I had one of those. But, yeah, I had a dip in and then everybody was like,

what are you dipping, man? What were you dipping? At that time, probably Copenhagen. You were young. Yeah, I was 16. That's about the time I found I started watching his videos. Also

dipping Copenhagen. Yeah, I liked the Copenhagen, the wintergreen, and the straight. That was my thing until we started sound checking. You guys remember the Copenhagen Black? Oh, yeah. The bourbon flavor.

Oh, heartburn, like, every time. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they do that. They used to do it seasonally, and now they kind of cut back on it. But back in the day, it was around for a while. It was good. I think they came out with that in 2006

or something like that. I think one of my favorite videos from yours off the top of my head from back then, it's not like a newer one uh was the one where you caught that snapping turtle oh yeah with the floating milk joe yeah yeah yeah because i would i would do like i never attended to just do like videos on dip no you were doing activities yeah i was just doing i was just filming whatever but did you have a early on like in the old days did you have a, early on, like in the old days, did you have a preference to do hunting and fishing stuff or did you like?

I did whatever. Like I did whatever like I felt like and I'm all over the place. So one day I'm like super into hunting and the next day I'm like super into

my wife or something. I'm all over the place. Well, you guys are having a baby yeah we are yep we're having a baby coming soon that's awesome

I saw on Instagram what were you guys doing you were shooting something to find out what it was yeah I had a deer target and so I ripped one of the antlers off

and we just put buck or doe over it and we put a big old balloon taped it to the deer target and both shot it well who who rigged it up uh me i think i think i just so you already knew the answer no no no the balloon thing that

was somebody else somebody oh that's what i'm saying yeah yeah yeah somebody got it uh my wife like uh dropped it off at like party america or something and it got and they did yeah yeah but we had to take yeah we did that with a cake one time yeah and shoot nothing just coffee yeah yeah they do whole they do everything man not just balloons they do cakes and and yeah all types of stuff that guy that had a they had a gender see when i first heard about a gender reveal party i didn't know what it meant my my mind went to um like someone transitioning. Right. That's what I thought it meant. It was like a party

if you transition. Right. I thought it was like when you What am I going to be? Yeah. I thought it'd be like it's like when you

are like official you go official and then you'd have a party which would be a great party. Yeah. I could imagine partying about that. Yeah.

But then I realized it's just about babies. But the guy that they had a gender reveal party and they had like a tannerite target. Oh, yeah. They have blue smoke or pink smoke. Yeah. Started a big ass forest fire.

They just got a massive fine, man. Oh, yeah. Like restitution for the whole damn fire. I know. I couldn't, it's like where I live is just like out here, man. It reeks of smoke everywhere. You can't light a match. It's nuts. What's the snapping turtle? Oh, yeah. It reeks of smoke everywhere. You can't light a match. It's nuts.

What's the snapping turtle? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I used to live in Kentucky. Where were you born? I was born in Florida. I lived in everywhere. So from Florida to Alaska.

I've lived all over the place, but I lived in Kentucky for four or five years out of Versailles, which is kind of where all the bourbon and stuff is. I was just there the other day playing a show. Oh, yeah. I love Versailles. So, uh, I lived on like a 350 acre farm out there and we had two farm ponds and we had a whole bunch of snapping turtles in it. And this is before like nobody was making hunting stuff on YouTube. So I was doing just what I was

doing every day. And I was like, well, I might as well just film it. And so I did a video called, I can't even believe still on there, honestly, but it's called How to Clean a Snapping Turtle. And the first 10 seconds, he's shooting it at the head with a.22. And everybody's like, I thought this was How to Clean a Turtle Tank. Like, what is going on? All the betta fish people, man. Yeah, yeah. So I was probably 22 maybe at that time or 23.

And so I would just like, you know, back in the day, I didn't know what to do. There was no like, there was no avenue. So you just did whatever. So cleaning a snapping turtle or. And it made some of your best probably stuff. You know what I mean? That's the way I look at my early stuff. It's like before you knew what you were, you know, it's like that's the unfiltered, you know.

Oh, yeah. Good stuff. When you're throwing shit at the wall, you know. Yeah. Hey, when you were doing, you weren't making any money early on from YouTube, were you? No, you couldn't even make money on YouTube. I think I did YouTube for like five years before you could even make money. Before they turned that on. Yeah. I think it was like 2010 or something when they, when it came out with saying that they were going to do a, uh,

I think I was in Alaska actually. And they announced that they were going to do this partner program where Google was going to run ads and your videos and you can make money. And it was, they kind of like, I remember the email I got about it. Like you're entered. Cause I already had like an audience. And so I was like, what? Oh my gosh. And then it got my mind. Like, I never thought that I could, you know, do something like that as a job. I was like more of hoping that maybe somebody from Hollywood would see my video and shoot my head off a snapping turtle. And he'd be like, want to be an Avengers 5 sure so so yeah

I they they just you know 2010-ish is whenever you could start making money on it

and then like then everybody wanted to be a you know a YouTuber so and it got more it got more like

business like then that's whenever you started seeing it wasn't that it like the fun went away but it was like it was really about community back in the day like on youtube like you would you would have like 20 30 different other channels that would watch you and they

would always like every time your video uploaded they would they would comment like good vid awesome vid man you know like other video producers yeah like other other people that you would know because it was a really small community and then once you know you could start making money on it everybody kind of turned it into a like it was like a business almost and you know it was like and i mean i did too i i went with the times but it was it's it was a complete change from what it used to be and it's crazy that i've almost been doing it 15 years now do you still regard yourself that way like as a youtuber yeah i kind of because it's just like i mean i'm not embarrassed by it some people are like oh yeah i'm a youtuber i do like how-to videos or whatever but i i mean it's what i do like what's your output as far as like how many how

many yeah do you have a set in your head? Like you have to do X number? I used to upload every day. When you were watching, I used to upload every single day. I think I did it for two years straight. So like 680 videos or something in a row every single day. So if people are binging, they're always like, they're looking for that next hit. And that's hard, man.

I mean, it's hard. I mean, you live your life a whole completely different way. I was secluded out there in the middle of nowhere. So it was like every day, it was was like something new trying to create some type of new content for people and that's whenever i kind of like probably when you found me is kind of when i started uh getting a little bit bigger yeah and um just because you get you know putting the work into it yeah because i mean the biggest thing about doing doing YouTube is consistency and the same type of thing. So now it's a little bit different where it's all about algorithms and stuff like that. Back in the day, it was kind of just like, well, if I find this guy, I'm just going to keep watching it. So,

you know, YouTube kind of puts things in front of your face now, if you're consistent. So, and then what, like when you're doing all that early on, what percentage of your stuff was related to the outdoors uh i don't know probably 70 i mean everybody who pretty much um like even if it was like a video about dip it wasn't just like me reviewing the dip it was like it was like a variety show like it was like there was an intro there was the okay i'm gonna crack the can i'm gonna put it in and then it's like then we're gonna go uh check in in the deer stand and i'm like hunting that day and so like i lived i whitetail hunted on that farm and so i'd give him like an update from the stand all right guys

what's up we're in the stand haven't seen shit all right let's go back you know just stupid crap like that that you watch nowadays and it's like like, oh, that's been done 20 times. But, you know, it was kind of always outdoor type of base because that was kind of like my audience. And that's how I grew up. I was born in Florida and then grew up in Branson, Missouri. So that's kind of where I grew up. Now, why did you move so much? My dad was just a builder, and so we moved a lot when I was a kid. And then I just, when I graduated high school, I just became a rambler and I was all over the place. So I moved

like eight times in eight years or something like that. So I was all over the place. So the aspect of it of being like the tobacco and dip and all that just came out because that's what people caught on to. Yeah. Well, I was a dipper myself, but I was always, especially where I lived in Kentucky, tobacco farms were very prevalent. Gotcha. You're driving through Kentucky, especially like Eastern Kentucky, you see old mail pouch barns. And that Americana just gets me. I love it. The lady at Lowe's is spitting in her Lowe's pouch. especially like eastern kentucky you see old male pouch barns and that americana like it just gets me i love it lady of lows is spitting in her in her pouch you know what i mean oh is

that right she's got kleenex and stuff in there and it's like she looks like a little kitty cat she's dipping you know what i mean yeah probably in a bad mood too yeah yeah but uh we love Eastern Kentucky. So I just became in love with the Americana of it, the history of it, and how it was made and all this kind of stuff, and then ended up coming out with my own. Hit me with a crash course on tobacco history. Okay, real crash course. Basically, what was it? 1492 when Christopher Columbus came to America? Hit the West Indies. Yeah.

Yeah. And so, you know, what did he think? He was in China or something like that? Where did he think he landed? India. India. India. Okay.

So he comes. Somewhere new. Yeah. But he gets. Yeah. So he gets into the, it was Caribbean, and he meets the indigenous people. This is the first time. They do a little trade, basically.

It's like, here's some, the indigenous people give Christopher Columbus and his crew fruits, vegetables, and these brown leaves. And they understand what the fruits and vegetables are. They have that over in Europe. But they look at these brown leaves, and they they're like what the hell is this smells like crap just throw it away second time they come back they see the indigenous people smoking those brown leaves and then some of christopher columbus guys start to try the stuff and they're like what is this this is crazy right yeah so Yeah. So, so anyways, it was Christopher,

it was basically Christopher Columbus coming over here and, and within a hundred years, I think it was by, by 1600,

it was in every single country in the world. No kidding. Within a hundred years. Yeah. And so, all over the place. No kidding. Within a hundred years. Yeah. And so, um, all over the place. And obviously here in America, we had it very prevalent. And so, you know, over in Virginia,

Virginia was our main port for tobacco export. So when we would, when back in the day before, uh, like in the, in the 1700s, we had, uh, um had a, they would use Glasgow, Scotland, because that was the shortest, the shortest boat ride basically was from Virginia to Glasgow, Scotland. And so that's where, that was kind of like their traveling corridor was between there. And Europe like was, everybody, everybody was into this tobacco thing and and the indigenous people the crazy thing was is they were already smoking it they were already chewing it they were already sniffing it they were doing everything and so when it came what the hell looked like like what did it look like before people started to cultivate it what do you mean like it's wild form

where do you run into wild tobacco yeah i don't don't know. I don't know about that. I know that there are many different, there are a number of different types or species of tobacco, tobacco plant, tobacco leaf. There's a bush here called tobacco brush. Huh. But it's not tobacco. Oh, it's not tobacco. Okay. But I'm sure like places in Virginia and.

Tobacco Road, North Carolina. That's a heavy spot. Yeah. Yeah. North Carolina, South Carolina, Kentucky. I've That's a heavy spot. Yeah. Yeah. North Carolina, South Carolina, Kentucky. I like to see it in its wild state. Yeah. Yeah. We had a guy on the show, like a, uh, guy that works on insects and plant evolution and whatnot.

And he was talking about tracking down, like what corn came from, you know, like a grass. It was like a Mesoamerican grass. Yeah. Yeah. it's really interesting actually that you say that because I want to figure that out now. I could imagine seeing it in the woods of Virginia, like growing tobacco under an oak tree or something. Yeah, it might not even be around anymore.

Yeah, I don't know. Because of the cultivars. Like the wild turkey. Have you looked it up, Chester? Well, it says it's native to southwestern United States, Mexico, and parts of South America. I mean, it goes back to Mesoamerica beyond 6,000 years. Yeah. Probably found it the same way they found cocoa leaves. Just walk through the woods chewing on stuff, man.

Yeah. But it blew up all over the place. And I mean, there was all different types of, of use of it. Obviously the smoking aspect of it was, was very popular. Um, and then I, like, I don't remember her name. She was, I don't know if she was a queen or something. It wasn't like the queen of England or something like that, but I think she was from Sweden and tobacco crushing tobacco leaves up and then sniffing it was done by mostly women in the 1600s for headaches.

Well, no, because it was polite. Like, why that? Because they didn't want to dip? I don't know. I don't know. But so I guess what they said is it would cure headaches. That's brain faster. Yeah.

So mostly women, especially in Sweden, the reason I say Sweden is because Sweden basically perfected the tobacco leaf when it came to moist snuff. Not as far as smoking, but when it comes to like chewing it, dipping it, nasal snuff, Sweden like killed it. Is native snuff powdered, like dried leaf powdered? Nasal snuff? Yeah. Yeah, generally. Oh, what's that? Let me see that.

Is that nasal snuff? No. Oh, okay. So this is, and I brought, so this is, open that top one, Steve. What do you mean the top one?

Just over the, oh, that. Oh. Yeah, that's the, that's what you keep your spent. That's the use, yeah. That's called a catch lid. Oh.

Yeah, so you catch your, keep your spent chews in there. Yeah. And what's in here? Oh, there's,. Yeah, that's the thing. That's where you keep your spent. That's the use, yeah. That's called a catch lid. Oh. Yeah, so you catch your spent chews in there. Yeah. And what's in here? Oh, you got one left. So smell that. So smell that. I need to get into that box real quick. What'd you say?

I need to get into that box real quick. Oh, hold on. So hold on. I want to talk about this. Okay. I want to go with Corinne's thing. Oh, yeah. What'd you ask again?

So people snorted? Yeah. Is it basically like dried? Yeah, is it basically like dried Yeah, it's dried, yeah You're doing cocaine But it's a ground up tobacco leaf You put it right here in your snuff box That's what you call your snuff box

Check this out I got a message for the listeners Take your arm How do you describe this? Make your arm straight So your arm and your do you describe this? Make your arm straight. Yeah. Make your arm straight. So your arm and your hand are straight and rigid.

And then lift your thumb up so it's pointing at the ceiling. And then cock your right hand ever so counterclockwise. And you'll notice that the base of your thumb shows up a little dimple. A crater. A crater. Like almost at the wrist. Yeah. So that's how you measure it out. You call it your snuff box. A crater. Like almost at the wrist. Yeah. So that's how you measure it out.

Call it your snuff box. Snuff your snuff box. Yeah. Okay. So you put pulverized tobacco leaves in there and rip it up your nose. Yep. And so you don't snort it. You don't snort it.

You sniff it. So it's just like a... Just like that. Oh, so... Oh! Doesn't work? It burns. I should have brought some of that in.

That, that would have been great, but that's not popular that much anymore. No, it's not as popular now, but they still sell it. So, um,

that was, yeah. And I mean, you have, uh, the Swedes, like you smell the, um,

you smell his general there. This is a Swedish snus that's made in Sweden. Now careful smelling this but just who yeah a little bit wow where did you get that Jared because I got some from a guy I can't tell if it smells like ammonia or mint yeah it's it's uh holy does it taste like it smells dude you could kill a bug with that it's so a if you do that in a mason jar if you put a cockroach in a mason jar and toss that in there guaranteed

so there's a lot of different types of tobacco when I talk about Sweden how they kind of perfected it and then over back in America it's like it was discovered here oh lord I told you it smells like ammonia I said sniff not snort I told you it smells like ammonia she went hard on that one

I said sniff not snort fuck god yeah Corinne's like if you give her like what happens when you

give someone wasabi but tell them something different or something Jesus Christ there you go so it's a little bit stronger

do you taste the like what's the purpose of that ammonia that's gotta be ammonia so this is I'm telling you everybody over in Sweden because snoous is actually illegal right now in the EU. So it's basically only like Norway and Finland and Sweden.

It's legal. They're working on getting it back now because of COVID and everything. People are like, you guys got to stop smoking. And they're like, oh, well, this is safer safer so we'll look into it basically is what they're saying now but but sweden perfected it as as this this is snooze so snooze you don't have to spit like you can put this is a pouch they call them portions over in sweden and so when you put this in they usually put them upper deck they usually upper it, and upper deckers make your pecker bitter. So everybody... So you can do it at home.

And they make your what better? Bitter? Bigger. Bigger. I thought you said it makes it bitter. Sorry, yeah. I stumbled. Upper deckers make your pecker bitter. I'm gonna stop doing that. And so, you know, you throw one of these in your top lip. Now this has...

In Swedish schnooze, there's a lot more nicotine than they have in American snuff over here. So this is like 22 milligrams of nicotine in this one pouch. Well, the Zins are like 3 milligrams. What's in a cigarette, just for

the sake of comparison of somebody? I don't know exactly, but probably around that 2, 3 to six-ish. So these are wild. That is like a... That's like, remember when you were a kid, remember Jolt Cola? Oh, yeah.

Or Surge. That's like the Jolt Cola. And this is mid-tier. Custom had a ammonia one again? Wait, what was the booze that got... There's no way on the planet I would eat that. The caffeine mean is that or locos or something like treating the leaf is it what's its purpose so the the thing about this is you're this is more about the nicotine than the flavor this is for addicts this is yeah now this is still tobacco okay so there there's all different

types of stuff out there you have like just nicotine pouches now, which are huge. People do the Zin and Velo and Ons and things like that. Yeah, he's got one over there. Oh, it's got Swedish words on the back. Yeah. But on the front, it says... Thunder. Slim, white, dry thunder.

Yeah. And it's actually... Slim, white, dry thunder. This one's actually Odin's. That is right there. This one's actually Odin's, which is in here, which is... And they have other ones called... They have one called Siberia, probably because it's a cold snooze,

because it feels cold in your lip, which is like 50 milligrams. Is that like something menthol-y? Yeah, it's very menthol-y. They have different flavors, but I'm telling you, the Swedes, like people over in Europe, the nicotine level that they all do over there is way bigger than we have over there. I had no idea they were into it.

That's interesting. Because now, I feel like if you go to cities in South America, you kind of get a picture of what it used to be with smoking. You can imagine what it used to be with smoking you can imagine what it used to be like here in the 50s yeah we're just like everybody is always smoking right yep and it catches you off guard because of how much use has just dropped off right yeah here in the u.s

yeah i mean with there's so many different types of alternatives now vaping there's uh like vaping kind of like was like supposed to be everybody's salvation but dude it's like the devil now man yeah I think big tobacco had something to do with that you do?

a little bit a little bit there's no way they didn't in my opinion there's just no way like the research that put the kibosh on vaping that was a hit campaign

they're like man these people might have something people don't realize that basically like tobacco ran the world for a long time, and it still kind of does.

When you're talking about the biggest business in America and the world in general, it's still tobacco. They got people on, and they ain't coming off. I wonder why so many creative people like tobacco.

Well, tobacco is, I mean, it's a stimulant, just like caffeine is. And it's obviously, you know, tobacco has natural nicotine in it, but it's a plant that everybody loves to enjoy. Not everybody, but a lot of people love to enjoy. You know when you're watching Outlaw Josie Wales? Oh, yeah. And he's got like the rope. Yeah, that's twist tobacco.

And they take a chaw off it. Yeah. What the hell is that? It's like a plug or a twist tobacco. But you know chewing tobacco like Levi Garrett, Redman, you know that? Like it's in a bag. So it's basically that, but dried together. And they twist it together with molasses.

And the molasses kind of keeps it together. Hold on. So it's like the actual plant, the leaves. No, no, no. So they, they strip the leaves. Okay. So like with, with, with American tobacco, like when you're talking about like Copenhagen and, and, and, and things in your dip or, or Levi Garrett, Redman, things like that, you know, you're going to strip the leaves off the plant. You're going to put them in.

You're basically going to clean them up. You're going to hang them in a barn. You're going to put sawdust under it. You're going to light the sawdust and you're going to fire cure the tobacco. Makes it like a dark leaf. Yeah, it's like a fire cure. Not all of them. Some of them are air dried.

Some of them, there's all different types of cures for tobacco leaf. I didn't know that. Yeah, like cigars are done a different way smokeless tobacco is done a different way sometimes there's like a dark dark fire cured dip like smokeless tobacco um you get that darker taste in it so it's like they cure it with fire yeah so you basically smoke. Huh. And so the biggest thing about cigarettes comparing it to dip is when you light up a cigarette, you're burning the leaf. You're never burning a smokeless tobacco leaf. That's why it's called smokeless tobacco.

So when you're burning a cigarette, I think it's something like 6,000 chemicals you're releasing with one cigarette. With dip, it's so minimal that they don't ever even talk about it. It's so like there's no, you know, the TSNA levels are completely different. TSNA is like cancer causing chemicals that are in tobacco that tobacco just naturally has in it. TSNA levels in smokeless tobacco are so low that they never talk about it. So like the American Cancer Society just came out with a paper a couple years ago. And they used to have it all the time because big tobacco, there was like a war on tobacco for a long time because people were getting cancer from the cigarettes.

You know, everybody smoked back in the 60s and 70s like crazy. Yeah. But it wasn't like really put out there that it was bad for you. And then, you know, in the 90s when everything started getting a little bit more goody-two-shoes, everybody was like, okay, yeah, this ain't good for you. I'm starting to cough up a lung now. I've been smoking for 20 years. So it started to get a little bit, you know, people were taking it a little bit more serious. That's when smokeless tobacco got a little bit bigger.

But then because it was made by some of the same big tobacco brands like Camel has their own and Marlboro, they had very similar companies. They kind of pieced it together, but the American Cancer Society, they just came out with a thing a couple of years ago. I think it was 2019. Of the 17 leading causes of cancer and smokers, tobacco wasn't even on it. Cigarettes was on the top. I mean, there was like, it was like obesity and hepatitis and all this stuff. It wasn't even on there. Now Iarettes was on the top. I mean, there was like, it was like obesity and hepatitis and all this stuff. It wasn't even on there. Now I've talked, I've, I've interviewed, um, a few doctors on this because I've been interested, you know, I've never had an issue. I take care of my teeth, but I've never had an issue. Um, I've seen gum recession and people never seen anybody or heard

anybody like getting actual cancer from dip. You know. We always hear about people getting lip cancer. I'm always telling Dirty he's going to get lip cancer. That's not true? No, that's just in TV. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it might have happened. I don't know. I haven't heard it yet, but I've talked to this doctor. I think he still is a professor at the University of Louisville. His name's Dr. Radu.

He's wrote a book. Is he in the back pocket of Big Tobacco? He might be. But he's completely against cigarette companies which is the which is crazy because most of the cigarette companies own these smokes tobacco companies so i don't think so but he wrote a book called how smokeless tobacco can save your life and he basically just goes on about how like he's been researching this for like 30 years and he's never found that tsna levels in smokeless tobacco if you're not lighting it he's like there's he's like there's you you have more of a you like you have the same amount of hurting your body is putting sunflowers in your sunflower seeds that's what he told my dad the

doctor told my dad you know you gotta quit here try these pouches or whatever so i was always doing the long cut and i was like yeah why you did those pouches he was like i never got it until it's like convenient you know what i mean i was in here i've already had a couple dips but if i'm here i got stuff all over my face you know what i mean it's like it's clean and i get it but but don't they put big old cancer warnings on the back of the dip yeah that's the crazy so here's so like here's let me say i want to say i want to add one thing in yeahoking, killed all four of my grandparents. My grandpa, my maternal grandfather, smoked himself to death and took his wife down with him, and she didn't even smoke. Really? Wow.

Yeah, because she sat in the living room with him for 50 years, watched him smoke cigarettes. Yeah, you can't second that. Killed the both of them with lung cancer. And my old man had lung cancer. That doesn't make any sense. And he quit. He had quit, and he worked his ass off to quit Went to a hypnotist Tried everything

Eventually he made He gave 10 to 1 odds To anyone that would do it That he could quit And just made cash bets 10 to 1 Yeah And that's how he quit Wow

Because he was no way Going to pay out all that money You can't second hand dip That's right Hell yeah You can if you drink You can't secondhand dip. That's right. No, yeah. You can if you drink it. Well, I secondhand dip.

But I didn't do it. I didn't do enough to get a – I didn't do it enough, you know. Yeah. I think these guys were saying too with the – my dentist said – Oh, no, this doesn't say anything about cancer. Go ahead, Dirt. That's nicotine. This is not tobacco. Oh, okay, okay.

Yeah, that's why. But my dentist said – I mean, I haven't been for a couple years, but last time I went he said, if you move it around, he's like, what can cause lip cancer is the abrasiveness. Like you're saying with sunflower seeds. But if you're dipping and you're switching,

people who get lip cancer have a, what do you call the thumb pocket? Yeah, that's a good point. Snuff box. They have a snuff box in their mouth. The abrasiveness is where the cancer starts. But if you're moving it around, the dentist told me, you're good to go. My mom's a hygienist.

Dude, come on. but what i'm super curious about uh are all the different ways that people cure create etc smokeless tobacco and then like regionally like who chews what who dips what like that whole kind of so in uh in sweden like i was talking about they have snooze which they got that name from snuff over here. And that's snorting tobacco. No. Well, so that's nasal snuff, but like this is still considered snuff, like the stuff in your can. They call it everything. Snuff, dip, chew, chaw, rub, whatever. There's so many names for it, but it's still all the same thing. You're just talking about smokeless tobacco. So over in Sweden, they have what you call snooze which snooze in a long cut form and it bring any but it's it's like a very

muddy texture but it looks very similar to to a long cut dip like this and so what what they do different than what American companies will do with theirs because American companies will will ferment theirs boys are like a smoke cure. The boys are packing. Oh, they're packing. You guys can't be in this conversation. I want to try that Swedish one. Which one's that? But you're doing an alternative right now.

We're going to sample soon. No, they're doing an alternative. So which one's that, wintergreen? That's good. Yeah. There's a lot of flavors in here. I want to try that bourbon one or that peach one,

but I'll get to that. So you guys are doing tobacco alternatives right now. Yeah. So this is one step at a time this is my company outlaw but the um we're still talking about tobacco so yeah we haven't gotten into the alternative yeah so so uh what the swedes do instead of fermenting the dip which in america they they you know you ever seen like a picture of an old tobacco barn with the you you know, tobacco leaves hanging? Oh, yeah, yeah. And there's smoke coming out from the sawdust. I don't know about that part.

This is all new to me, the whole smoking it thing. Yeah, yeah. Makes me kind of, makes me think of smoked fish. Yeah, they like cure the tobacco with smoke. So that's called fermenting. In Sweden, what they would do is they, it's called a pasteurization method. So it's more of a steam cure, which they say, which that's just their method of doing it, which is a whole different way of consuming it.

But with doing that method, you don't have to spit. It doesn't really juice up like it does with the- So this one I won't have to spit. I just put in that Swedish, the 20 milligram. Oh, God. Come on, you just put the ammonia in there? These boys down here are doing alternatives, and you're doing the ammonia? Somebody's got to do it.

I just Googled how many milligrams of nicotine will kill a man, and it said like 60. Let me get three. There's no way. I've done, the most I've ever done, I think, was nearly 900. There you go. How did the last year respond to that? I got a buddy

we call Fat Boy. Maybe you should be on Avengeables 5. Avengeables? The Lunchables edition. He'd be like Dip Man. He's like a special power. No amount of nicotine can kill him. I would whoop Thanos' ass with Like dip man. It's like a special power, man. No amount of nicotine can kill him. I would whoop Thanos' ass with my dip spit.

The bad guy's hiding in the dip shed. No one can go in there. I'll go in. Some Swedish hat fills and McCoys. That Siberia I was talking about earlier, which is like almost 50 milligrams my buddy fat boy he goes he's like you won't do a full can of that and so i was like i'll do a full can of that in your mouth at one time yeah and i looked up that stat you know they're like what's a nicotine overdose and it says like 60 and i was like i've done way more than 60 before so I just put the whole thing in my mouth

and I kept it in for like four minutes I did it on video uh and um did you have to use the restroom right away after that no no I never threw up what did your body do like increased heart rate so yeah increased heart rate and then we started sweating like really bad. Hold on, Chess, what did you do to your can there? That's a little. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's smart. What's wrong with the jug, Chess? You too good for the jug? I don't want to take someone else's jug. But how did you manipulate your can there for that?

I just popped a hole in it. Yeah. Is that like an old dip trick? Yeah, it's a dip trick. You were a wrestler in high school, right? Did you guys dip to cut weight? I mean, I didn't. Does that work?

But yeah, people do. When I was a kid, man, in high school, the guys on the wrestling team would put a garbage bag on. They'd punch two holes, a hole for their head and a hole for their arms. Put a garbage bag on, pack a dip, and run around like that. That's how I started dipping. Spitting, spitting, and then wearing that garbage bag to sweat. I thought you were going to say that hot box. And then you go into the fight.

You go into the fight raring to go. Never felt better. It's an appetite suppressant. You say what? Isn't it an appetite suppressant? Yeah, it could be. I can see that, but I think that's not the tobacco. I think thatant, nicotine, isn't it? You say what? Isn't it an appetite suppressant? Yeah, yeah, it could be. I can see that, but I think that's not the tobacco.

I think that's the nicotine that does that. You're talking about taking that full can. You guys remember the horseshoe there? Yeah, yeah. I've seen him do many of those. You do? Yeah. The horseshoe.

He's done the whole. What's the most? You've done like two cans probably in your mouth? No, no, I got a small mouth. I can't do do that but there's some people man they'll they'll just i mean back in the day on youtube i remember i would never do like the challenge type stuff but like there was you know remember the cinnamon challenge this was way before that so everybody loved to do what's the cinnamon challenge cinnamon challenge when you just put a spoonful of cinnamon in your mouth and you try to hold it in without dying and then there's like

something about some ice water on yourself or something like that the ice water challenge oh yeah the bucket challenge oh yeah and that was for

that was for ALS yeah so hold on there's a shoot there's oh speaking of confusing my sports stuff

oh yeah Dirt so my birthday was in February but Dirt just brought me a birthday present. And it's a dude. It's called a slam dunk. He's slam dunking.

Into a basketball hoop. There's an athlete slam dunking in a basketball hoop. And it says touchdown. I saw that. And this is like a custom shirt for me. I have a lot of problems with sports analogies

doesn't stop me from wanting to do them that's gonna mess you up more now so when I gotta make a reference to a sports player I'll be like

uh Ridge Perry that's like the only guy I can think of you know aren't aren't all the now I got Pete Alonzo

oh yeah yeah I know him so I like watching him play aren't all the tobacco now i got pete alonso oh yeah yeah i know him so i like watching him play aren't all the tobacco companies for the most part like copenhagen grizzly skull aren't they all owned by the same company uh so copenhagen skull um red seal they're all owned by the same company it's all u.s smokeless they are owned by altria which altria owns a bunch of they've owned everybody hold on so like the big smoking company, Philip Morris. Yeah.

They didn't throw down on dip? Philip Morris, yeah. Philip Morris has dip. Yeah, pretty much all the big cigarette companies that you can think of. They did think to get into dip. Yeah, and they're pretty much all owned by somebody bigger that has a branch out of smokeless tobacco and and cigarette tobacco a lot of these companies will roll their cigarettes and make dip in the same manufacturing unit so do you rub elbows with them boys without a lot of it uh like philip i

used to back in the day i used to um i used to be ambassador for a lot of people stokers i was an ambassador for copenhagen i did a lot of stuff for oh really you were a Chewbacca or not Chewbacca that's a guy from Star Wars mixing up Star Wars and chewing tobacco we've already got our movies through we're all chipped up in here Chewbacca dude that'd be a good movie, man. Chewbacca. Star Wars, but about tobacco. Yeah. Chewbacca was like a woolly guy that needs to get some dip. So I had a buddy in high school that owned a can of Copenhagen Wintergreen, and you can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe he was telling the truth.

He said that was in our family's line, Wayman Copenhagen, and his last name was Wayman. Is that? W-E-Y? Yeah. Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah.

So Wayman, George Wayman is his name. He's the one. Shout out to Nick Wayman. Nick Wayman. I'm interested. That's cool. That's cool to see. Where does he live? South Carolina?

Yeah, South Carolina. He showed me on the can the WC that's kind of like reading a dollar bill. You don't realize like, oh, that's on a dollar bill. And he's like, that's my grandfather or somebody's initials. Yeah. So when people look at like a Copenhagen can, it's, you know, most people would be like, there's like a WC on there, a CW they see. So that stands for Wayman's Copenhagen.

And which George Wayman was kind of like the first guy who 1822 started doing it. My buddy, Ronnie, who's been on this show quite a few times over the years, he's got a lot of quotes. He's the one that introduced me to the idea that you should never wear a hat that has more personality than you do. Yeah. Sound advice. So I should take your first light hat off?

No, that's not a personality thing. His hat doesn't have more – it's an awfully filthy hat. It matches the wearer. Yeah. But it matches the wearer. Don't wear a hat that has more personality than you do. I think it's kind of advice against like the wrong person getting a cowboy hat. Yeah.

Like, I have no business. Yeah. Yeah. If you ever see me in a cowboy hat, I would like you to ask me to remove it. But you rocked a beaver hat for sure. Oh, yeah, dude. I'll wear a beaver fur hat because I grew up as a trapper. I got every right to have a beaver hat.

It's a northern symbol. Yeah, that's not more personality. No, no. No business in the stetson uh ronnie also said i can't he he he said both of these are one of these he said if your dad's your best friend you ain't got any friends or he said if your wife's your best friend you ain't got any friends. I can't remember. He either said both. I know he said one, but when me and my buddies talk about it, we're like, no, that's not what he said.

He said. It was probably both. He might have said both. Yeah. It might just be a thing. Definitely the wife one. So he told me the difference between, like, he's like, he doesn't like smokers. He started, it's kind of weird because he started smoking. But he historically doesn't like smokers he started it's kind of weird because he started smoking

but he historically didn't like smokers because they don't they can't do anything right he said a chewer a guy that dips probably has to work with his hands yeah yeah and like he always used to feel there's nothing more useless than a smoker because he's got to do everything with one hand all the time. Right. But a guy that dips probably works. Yeah. And that's where you see most of it, especially in America, at least. Construction, you know.

Yeah, that's what I'm curious about. Like, who, you know, rural-urban divide, like, who's doing what? Who's doing what kind? Like, is it regional? Is it, you know? Yeah, I think, well, definitely like smokeless tobacco, like this, you know, this dip stuff here. That's pretty much big all over here, like in America. That's about it. Over in Sweden and things like that, they'd have the portions like I gave you there.

That's great. Yeah. And then you got, they have loose snus, which is very similar to this, but it's different. Like it's more of a tobacco taste than we, you know, like this one's a, this is one of our sweet tea flavors. So it's like we can basically flavor whatever we want.

And over there, it's a lot different. But like this type of stuff here is basically just in, and it's not even in rural America anymore. A lot of people that used to be smokers and stuff here, they're getting onto the nicotine patches like those Zins and things like that. But as far as- Is there a smoking version of alternatives? Yeah. What was that a while back?

American Spirits. Yes. Which were- Oh, that's tobacco though. But it doesn't have any like additives or. Oh, come on. But it wasn't the additives that was coming for you. It's kind of like the gluten-free cigarette.

You know what I mean? And then they had the electronic cigarettes, which is just vapor. I had a buddy get in the hospital. Oh, yeah. You're right. Yeah. That's. Yeah.

You're right. Yeah. I wasn't thinking about that. Yeah. And then vape, I guess, considered that too. But it's just a little bit different because there's no. I mean, yeah, I guess it is the same. You just put water vapor in it.

That's a good correlation. Yeah. Like alternative tobacco or alternative tobacco tins dip being like when people had like e-cigarettes. Yeah. And what I like to say, save the lungs, rock the gums. Yeah, I like that. I like that. I like that. Hey, folks.

Exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. And boy, my goodness do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes. And our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Our northern brothers get irritated. Bar raffle and sweepstakes law. It makes it that they can't join. Whew. Our northern brothers get irritated. Well, if you're sick of, you know, sucking high and titty there, OnX is now in Canada. The great features that you love in OnX are available for your hunts this season. The Hunt app is a fully functioning GPS with hunting maps

that include public and crown land, hunting zones, aerial imagery, 24K topo maps, waypoints, and tracking. That's right. We're always talking about OnX here on the Meat Eater Podcast. Now you guys in the Great White North can be part of it, be part of the excitement. You can even use offline maps to see where you are without cell phone service. That's a sweet function. As part of your membership, you'll gain access to exclusive pricing on products and services handpicked by the OnX Hunt team.

Some of our favorites are First Light, Schnee's, Vortex Federal, and more. As a special offer, you can get a free three months to try OnX out if you visit OnXMaps.com slash meet. OnXMaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the OnX

club, y'all. Steve, did you ever when you were working for Ron? No, dude, but here's the thing Have you tried any of this? No, no, never seriously You took one of my Skulls in Arkansas

At the campfire How long did I have it for? About five minutes, maybe four So, Ronnie When I worked for him That's when i found out about the snort stuff and took a rip of that about blew my head off oh god that was also the one i first time i tried horse meat ronnie had a can of ground up horse meat that still had the bone

chunks in it isn't ronnie uh chain smoking cigars now? So, this is part, like, so, when I worked for Ronnie, that was like a whole education in, like, tobacco products.

Again, because he's a millwright, so all the guys that work for him are all, like, a lot of them addicted to booze,

a lot of them addicted to dip. Ronnie, he wasn't, but then he became, because he got into, he started smoking cigars. Like, a gentleman. He started getting, like, he wasn't, then he became, because he got into, like, he started smoking cigars. Like a gentleman.

He started getting, like, he, like, I could see, like, guys going the other direction. Like a gentleman, he'd, like, smoke a cigar with the boys. And the next thing you know, he's chain smoking them. Wow. I think that is something, though, to your question, Corinne. For me, tobacco, when I got started into it, was the camaraderie. Yeah, yeah. Like, coworkers at the ranch or my uncles and dad.

It's like you'd, at the end of the day or at lunch, you'd, like, all have a dip together. Yeah. Yeah, Dirt was born on a cattle ranch. And he was saying that when you got, you could shoot prey. What the hell was it? At headquarters, they had the essentials at their store. So we're like an hour from like a small ass town, you know. But at the ranch headquarters, you could just grab a box of 22 shells or a Copenhagen snuff can and it would just be taken off your pay for that.

So bullets or dip? Yeah. That was the two things they had in the store. That's my kind of store. Wait, so when you tried it around the campfire, did you go through the ritual vomit? No, because here's, let me give my full tobacco history. My old man smoked for a long time. So when my old man was in the war, and I'm talking about the war, like in World War II,

they gave you cigarettes. Your C ration would come with three cigarettes inside of it. They also, he was state, so he got queued up in North Africa. And then they went down to invade Italy at Anzio Beachhead. But they all just got rat holed away in North Africa. And then they went down to invade Italy at Anzio Beachhead. But they all just got rat holed away in North Africa while they're getting ready to do the, to start doing all the beach invasions.

And he got into a kind of a nasty business where they would take cartons. The North Africans wanted American cigarettes. So they would take cartons of cigarettes, take all the packs out, pack it full of sawdust to get to the right heft, put two packs on the end, and sell them out of the trains. Because people were jonesing so bad for american cigarettes and you'd kind of hold it out take the money and then hand them the thing and you're only giving two packs there's a carton so he got into that racket he used to explain to me but worked very very hard to quit smoking so he would have beat my ass back okay let me give you an example how bad

this dude i should find this guy and write him a letter of apology Ass. Bad. Okay. Let me give you an example of how bad. This dude, I should find this guy and write him a letter of apology. Our neighbors had some cousin or something. Got out of the Marine Corps. Come to live with him. His name was John. I'm not going to give his last name. J-O-N, no H.

He was a bad smoker. Real bad sm bad smoker remember ran around in cowboy boots but anyways around the time he started living there and smoking and everything just coming out of the marine corps we got on to smoking uh corn silks rolled up in newsprint and we got caught smoking corn silks rolled up a newsprint out in the woods. And my old man promptly went over there and blamed the dude out of the Marine Corps for it. And gave him an ass chewing. Blamed. This had nothing to do with it. Right?

So a lot of like various tobacco interactions. In fifth grade, we were making agricultural maps where you had to glue the agricultural product onto a map. So the Midwest, you'd glue some corn. Someone down there had for some reason, someone brought in tobacco. And fifth grade,

me and Stanley Johnson ate a bunch of it. They had to call our moms. I was... I'm not kidding you. I was, honest to God, having hallucinations. I was unbelievably sick. How much did you guys eat?

I don't remember. I was in fifth grade. We took it out in the playground. Were you like trying to pretend that it was like dip or something? We knew that it was like a thing to do, that you're supposed to eat it. And we ate it. You see like outlaw Josie Wales spitting on his dog.

Oh yeah, we knew all that. Yeah, like buzzards got to eat, same as worms. Yeah, yeah. Like all that rolling around our heads. Yeah. And so sick, I was honest to God hallucinating. A good hallucinating event. So it cured, I think that those sets of experiences,

nothing to do with my dad conning Arabs out of that, but like all the other stuff was never into it. Now, the one positive experience I've had with tobacco, but I didn't do it because I don't want to become an addict, is down in New Mexico. One of my friends had like some kind and he pours bourbon and rum and stuff in the sack. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't want to name him. Mike Rule. Well, I think we talked about that.

I think we talked about that. I'll get that out if you want. I think we talked about that. Like, opens the bag up and pours some booze in there. His chew bag? Good. Opens his chew bag up and dumps booze in it. Oh, yeah. We used to do that all the time.

Wait, Jared, do you have a bourbon or something flavored thing in there? Oh, yeah. We got this yellow blend, which is pineapple rum. Mmm. Mmm. You smell that one. You crack it open. Steve, when I...

It says pack, dip, spit, enjoy. Steve, will you try some with me? This isn't tobacco. This is tobacco-free. There's still nicotine in it, but there's no tobacco. Steve, when I was guiding back in the day, some guy gave me a cigar.

Speaking of can't work with smoking yeah this cuban cigar and i was like 18 and i felt real bad if i didn't finish this thing so i was rowing down the river with this cuban in my mouth telling him to cast left tell him to cast right with this giant cuban and he was it was like a celebratory cigar for catching a big fish about 10 minutes in of rowan with the cigar in my mouth ended up puking all over the place really you did yeah and that's a good tip that day i did yeah and i had to switch to uh switch to chewing you know after that just because there's too much smoke. It's a working man.

Yeah, for sure. Too much smoke and nicotine. Oh, I got another really bad tobacco experience. We went to see Steppenwolf, Commander Cody, and Head East all in concert and had some King Eddies. I remember everybody getting sick and puking off those King Eddies. Oh, like what's a King Eddie? King Edward cigars. Oh, those ones you get at the gas station?

Yeah, yeah. Got sick from that. Yeah. I celebrated my high school graduation with some cheap ass cigar, and then I turned green, got real sick, threw up everywhere, and that was... I've still smoked some cigars since, but this... You threw one in earlier, didn't you?

What? Did you throw one in already? No, I didn't, because I'm not sure if I want this Georgia peach or another flavor. There's vanilla. Yeah, I'll go for vanilla. You want some vanilla? All right, I think. Are you afraid of puking?

I mean, I'll probably leave it in for a short amount of time before I start to get dizzy. I'm really sensitive to nicotine. All right, so keep walking me through how you got into this then. So you eventually wanted to quit No no no I never wanted to quit Chester's trying to quit Well Chester's trying to quit Dirt quit quitting

I got a big box of hit beer for you We were in South America and here's how Dirt was going to quit We were in the jungle I can see I'm so Pure I don't know how to close the tin We were in the jungle. I got it. I can see. I'm so pure. I'm so pure, I don't know how to close the tent. I need a lesson of how to do this.

Dirt brought to South America with him. He brought a kind of chew he does not like. Okay. And it was going to be hot. This is his quit plan. What was it? What kind did you bring? Yeah, I think it was like...

No, it was grizzly. No, it was grizzly. Well, it was grizzly, but like winter green or something. Okay. Yeah. Brought a kind he didn't like. There it is. Look at that. Steve.

That's a fat gagger, son. That's a big one. Okay, so I should... Get your mug jug. Wait, I should pinch off a much smaller amount? No, I was going to say, I told Steve this in Arkansas. If you take too small of a dip, you'll end up

swallowing it and getting sick. Do you ever know anybody that gets addicted to the alternative or does it always go the other direction? Well, this has nicotine in it. But I'm saying, no one ever didn't dip, but then got alternatives and got hooked on alternatives. I think the Zins are a great example.

Yeah, so Zins are a great example. Like you said, it's just nic Oh, no, for sure. I think the Zins are a great example of that. Yeah, so like Zins are a great example. Like you said, they're just, it's just nicotine, salt, and powder. Just water and that's about it in a pouch. But no one starts on it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I know a handful in my mind thinking about now, a handful of women. I'm getting buzzed. Yeah.

Women who never. I'm messing this up. I can't even pack this right. I'm taking mine out. I'm scared. So you're doing it like the Swedish way now. You got it in your palm. That's called baking a prilla.

Okay, so I'm doing that. Whatever you just said. That's a rap song right there, making a prilla. Making a prilla. Yeah. I already got mine out. I got too scared. Is that too big?

Remind me of fifth grade. No, that's perfect. That's perfect? I'm not going to... Okay, and then the upper lip or the lower lip? It doesn't really matter? Yeah, I need the lower. Like to one side, Steve?

Just put it right. Steve just like rinsed his mouth out with some McCroy. That's the taste of it. I was starting to hallucinate. It's me and Stanley Johnson. We're back in fifth grade out in the playground, man. I was going to have a wild hallucination. Just put it right on the side.

Right on your canine. My grandpa always called it worm dirt. Growing up as a child. Sure, man. You can picture some worm dirt. Yeah, that's what you call Copenhagen snuff because it's super fine. Worm dirt. Now, is it possible that I got buzzed that quick?

Yeah. Yeah. I swear I got a buzz. So we got the same amount of nicotine that's in like Copenhagen or Grizzly and this stuff. So you had killer vanilla. Do you like the flavor though?

Oh, I love it. Nice crin. Listen, I'd chew it up and eat it. Look how good crin looks. Nah, this is a little awkward. It kind of blew

the whole DJ look she had going on. Okay, and I should spit often, so I don't. Yeah, I mean like when you start to feel it juice up, you spit it right in the jug.

So it's not tobacco. It's definitely juicing up. No, it's not tobacco. What is it? This is our own blend. So a lot of other companies that do alternatives, they use mint leaf, which is very similar. But mint leaf, if you flavor mint leaf, it just still tastes like mint. So they'll come out with, like, a bour use mint leaf, which is very similar. But mint leaf, if you flavor a mint leaf, it just still tastes like mint.

So they'll come out with like a bourbon mint leaf dip, but it still just tastes like mint. You don't want bourbon and mint mixed together. Some companies will use corn silk, which no flavor really gets into that. Yeah. No shit. It's not. They kind of just sit on the shelves in the gas station. Nobody really likes them, you know. And so we used – we basically sourced the world for years on trying to find the best leaf, and we found a tea leaf that we love.

And then we – our process of making this is more – we basically do more than tobacco companies will do with their dip with this. And like, if you'll notice our dip, like when you have it in, it's, it's got more robust flavor than a lot of tobaccos. Cause you don't, the tobacco is, is almost a little bitter when it comes to a dip. And so ours, like for instance, this root beer, we got one called rambling root beer. I mean, that thing just tastes like straight up like barks root beer or mug root beer um so yeah it's it's uh it's doing really well but the the biggest thing is we just wanted to put something out there that didn't suck because every tobacco alternative i ever tried was horrible it was just like it made you i mean it probably helped you quit because you just didn't

want to do it anymore or you would just go right back to dipping grizzly or Copenhagen. Oh, I didn't tell Dirt's quitting plan. Oh, yeah. So you had grizzly wintergreen. Went to South America with a bad kind he didn't like. Okay. And chewed the shit out of it. Well, his plan was, since he didn't like it, he wouldn't burn through it.

Right. And once it was gone, he was going come back to america and never dip again okay but he said he got back to america and went into a gas station first thing and he said the tins were actually speaking to him you're hallucinating yeah i said why you said they're they're calling to him yeah yeah so your bad tobacco was Grizzly Wintergreen? Yeah, I think it was, I can't remember, but yeah. And I didn't chew that much on that trip because I didn't have much. That's when I got back to the States.

I was looking for it. Taylor, what do you chew? I like the Grizzly Wintergreen. Dirt, what's your old man like? Oh, he's Grizzly. So I said, Dirt's old man likes Grizzly. And I said to Dirt, you don't chew Grizzly. No, here's Dirt's quote. Dirt said, no, I got a good job.

They call it the welfare bear. The welfare bear is what they used to call it. But now it's a lot better because back in the day, Grizzly used to be the cheap one. And now Grizzly is just as good as Copenhagen. The only reason I like Grizzly. But Grizzly was trying to get on to Kodiak's groove, right? Because Kodiak, like Kodiak bear, and they're like, oh, we'll just go with the. Kodiak had stronger nicotine, didn't it?

The long cut, or what was the kayak? Not kayak. That's what I started on was kayak. They had certain wintergreen, like a Kodiak. I remember working at a plastic plant, and it was like a little bit stronger than a normal grizzly. And Kodiak, they use a better tobacco. It's more premium tobacco than what other companies used. The only reason I switched to the Grizzly, I like the Copenhagen, was because they made, to me, a better pouch than – Grizzly made a better pouch than – the Copenhagen was like a little white little cloth, but, I personal preference there's something to jerry you're

saying about like the sweet the snoozes do leave a like the generals i have leave a weird aftertaste bitterness yeah um i got one of my good buddies from way back lager we all chewed copenhagen in college and stuff and then um he quit it's a deal. And I hadn't seen him for like five years. And who was Corinne? You got a buzz, Corinne? You still chewing? Yeah. I quit.

She got that front. Corinne looks great. Corinne looks great with a chew. I'm trying to like feel what's going on right now. If you're feeling the buzz, I'd recommend spitting it out already. See, I don't know if I felt a buzz or if I was having an adrenaline rush out of my fear. He gave you the placebo dip. Well, I'd like to know if that was true because I could have had just a rush of whatever.

Childhood memories. Yeah. Nah, it was a real deal. Craig's going to puke. This buddy Forrest. I'm still okay, it was a real deal. But so this guy... Craig's gonna puke. This buddy Forrest. I'm still okay, but it's coming out. So I see him a couple months ago.

Hold on, I got mixed up. So he quit. I like how you got kind of a camouflage Hawaiian shirt on. Oh, dude, this is... You know they got smokers jackets? Yeah. This is my dipping shirt.

Oh, really? Yeah, today I wore it. Yeah, it's like a camo Hawaiian shirt. Yeah. That's a great shirt. Oh, really? Yeah, today I wore it. Yeah, it's like a camo Hawaiian shirt. Yeah. That's a great shirt. It breathes real well too. But, so Forrest, haven't seen him forever.

We go have a beer somewhere and he pulls out one of that, one of your tins. Uh-huh. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.

Interesting. An outlaw can. I hadn't seen it before and this was before I knew we were going to be doing this. And he's like, yeah, I quit, and I tried getting on generals, but they tasted like cat piss after a while. Yeah. And now he's chewing your—he's hooked on your outlaw.

Wow, that's crazy. I mean, he's the type of dude who needs to chew. Yeah. Like, he's got six kids, owns a logging company. Like, you got to give yourself a break every once yeah so you feel that if someone has six children and owns a logging company like they're just gonna have to chew well i'm saying like nicotine is one of those one of those things in life like it's a little reward i think yeah my dad says it's a having a piece of cake in your pocket and when you run out

you know it's kind of like that person. He's like, Hey man, you got any cake? You know? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

That's a personal thing. Yeah. I can relate to the, um, I can relate because I used to have where I used to drink way too much. Like I used to drink a lot of alcohol, but a lot of alcohol. If I wasn't out in the woods,

I couldn't, no way. Like I couldn't be home the woods, I couldn't, no way. I couldn't be home and not drink. But if I was in the mountains, no desire to drink. But if I was home, I'd get just a terrible thirst. And it wasn't until I had kids that I was able to stop drinking. Not stop, but mostly stop. I basically now, I only drink now it's like

whatever i'll just have a drink you get wicked headaches right well and i got where i started to feel guilty about being hung over and i felt like my kids didn't ask to be born but they wake up in the morning ready to go and you have a hangover and it's like it's not their problem that they're there and awake in your house like you had them so i didn't want to be like annoyed by them and have a hangover but you you had that reward system before your kids equivalent to like a dip yeah man yeah at night like if i was writing or doing work and i got done um that was like immediately. Finish up, bam. Yeah. Poor Stiffy.

Did you have anything in your process of writing that you did, like a fix? Or were you just clean-headed? No, no, no, no. Totally. All that stuff's a lie, man. But when we were studying, when I was learning to be a writer and went to graduate school and everything with a lot of kids that wanted to be writers, we all looked up to, we all thought that the with a lot of kids that want to be writers we all

looked up to we all thought that the cool writers were the ones that spolzi like we're like you know like everybody has this image of like the drunk you know charles bukowski yeah like you're all wasted three in the morning no man 10 a.m monday morning yeah that's when you write like No, I didn't know. I came to think that that was a total lie. I think that's maybe one out of a hundred. That's the way Hemingway, he didn't. I mean, in the afternoons, he would drink.

Yeah, one out of a hundred writers. When people talk about writing drunk, I don't think that's really a thing. Alcohol does not help my writing or my stage. No, because you think stupid shit's funny. Exactly. But then, Taylor, you quoted Einstein to me the other day. Yeah, well, chewing, chewing, yeah, yeah. What did Einstein say?

So Einstein, he thought of his greatest ideas in the process of the motion of chewing. So he might not have been chewing tobacco, but he was probably chewing gum or something like that. And there's some kind of, like, firing mechanism of the process of chewing. So when I'm writing a song or something, it's like I have to dip gum or something like that. And there's some kind of like firing mechanism of the process of chewing. So when I'm writing a song or something, it's like I have a dip in or this or that. But I mean, some of his greatest ideas, he was chewing something, which is interesting. You know, it's funny. My kids leverage that because when I was a little boy, back when we were eating that tobacco and whatnot, you couldn't have gum in school and you couldn't wear a hat.

Yeah. And now you can chew gum. Wow. In school? That's great, yeah. Yeah, my kid, my wife just bought my kid a big old sack of some kind of like little lifesaver type things he was going to bring down.

He says he needs it for doing his math test. Got a little Einstein. Yeah, he's like, I don't know, listen, man. This is how I can get good grades, make you proud. A sack of lifesavers. He's a little Einstein. Yeah, he's like, I don't know, listen, man. This is how I get good grades, make you proud. He's a smart one. I had a, my anthropology teacher in college in Missoula would tell us, if you're a smoker before a test, he encouraged people to go smoke a cigarette before they took the test for some reason.

Really? And he had some anthropological. Stim brain yeah he had something nicotine i mean they've done studies on it where it's you know it's just like caffeine and stimulates your brain it stimulates you it kind of wakes you up yeah even in silicon valley and stuff people that are under like nootropics they'll use nicotine you know like the little zens or like a nicotine tablet to as a stimulant you know really yeah but to me it doesn't stimulate nicotine tablet as a stimulant. Really? Yeah. But to me, it doesn't stimulate. I mean, maybe after doing it too much, it doesn't.

Your tolerance is probably real high. You still have that ammonium thing in your lip. Oh, you still got that ammonium there? Just now took it out, but yeah, it was good. You got a buzz? Yeah, I mean, pretty better than the Grizzly, yeah. Okay, so we're still going to get to it. What tune are you going to do for us?

Oh, Whatever you like No you had one in mind Hells Half Heck Yeah we'll do that Now but I didn't notice Where's your guitar It's right there behind you Oh shit

Can I pick it up Sure What No it's the same Put the mic to the No forget it Oh no I don't know How to play anything

No no but we're going to try You're going to try right I always go this When I play the guitar I go You got to start somewhere But you're a writer I always go with this one when I play guitar. I go... You got to start somewhere. But you're a writer, so why don't you play that and accompany something that comes to mind?

This is you doing it. Oh, no, because all my songs I think of are like... Anytime I wear a button-up shirt with collars on it, my kids are like, why do you look so fancy? Why are you dressed so fancy? So I wrote a song aboutup shirt with collars on it, my kids are like, why do you look so fancy? Why are you dressed so fancy? So I wrote a song about myself called Big Dog. How'd you get so fancy? Come on, wait a minute.

Let's go. Come on, play. How'd you get so fancy? No, it's Big Dog. How'd you get so fancy? A little coming around the mountain with your cones. But Jared, walk me through how, so how did you go from like YouTuber to tobacco magnate? Hopefully cover a dip of Fishing Notto soon. That's funny.

I did not know that. Well, I just, I mean, I did so much stuff on dip and I feel like I've basically learned more than anyone out there on, on the process of this and actually making something good. So then we ended up starting out long, became pretty much the biggest, uh, tobacco free dip out there. So. So he's a tobacco free magnate. Yeah. Tobacco. Yeah.

Tobacco free magnate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, but I mean, don't get me wrong, I still love tobacco. What's your favorite, personal favorite out of anything? I mean, I'm sure like out of your blends even maybe like a wintergreen or a straight. Like my favorite out of this one is I love the sweet tea.

Okay. Because I like the. Can I try that one? Yeah. Is that one real and got tobacco or nicotine in it? Yeah, it's nicotine. Oh, I got another question for you. Yeah.

Explain your new album, your fishingotine. Oh, I got another question for you. Yeah. Explain your new album, your fishing songs. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm a musician as well. The only thing I know

how to play is a G string, I reckon. Hey, that's all you need. Yeah. That's enough to get you in trouble.

But, yeah, so I got an album. Well, by the time this is out, it'll drop. I keep seeing it on instagram you're fishing songs yeah yeah so we we i did like a little ep called fishing songs that

um it's just i got hunting songs coming out in november and uh so yeah i've been i've always been doing like comedy music just writing stuff i just enjoy it a lot just writing stuff and um so I I had this idea of like man I just like all these people that follow me they love fishing and hunting so might as well write songs about it I just feel like there's not enough good fishing songs out there so there really is not a lot of fishing songs no and if they are they're very like manufactured by Nashville and you know well I shouldn't say there's not a lot of fishin songs there's not a lot of fishin songs that like made their way into the sort of unique in the dark nitty-gritty yeah fishin whistle John Prine yeah but that's not efficient yeah it's fish there's this guy in Wisconsin named

spit peeper I don't know if he's playing anymore. I'm sure there is. That doesn't surprise me. He's got some great fishing songs. Like, I'm going to strap the canoe to a minivan. I got my Coleman stove and a portable can. And he does a whole fishing song. That's a beautiful voice right there, Chester. Country boy can't survive. It's got a fishing line in it. What's funny, it was illegal in Michigan. You couldn't use a set line or a trot line in michigan so people didn't know what it was

but we had trout and uh wannabe uh hillbillies when i was a kid they thought he said um we can skin a buck we can run a trout line ah yeah because they didn't know what a trot line was or they thought he was saying we can skin a buck we can run a trap line not Ah, yeah. Because they didn't know what a trot line was. Or they thought he was saying we can skin a buck, we can run a trap line. Ah. Not knowing that he's actually saying we can skin a buck, we can run a trot line.

Yeah. Country boy can't survive. I'll just play a little bit of this now. Which one are you going to play? Let's see. You got catfish fever. Tree pounder. Tree pounder.

We've always... Ridge Pounder's cousin. Kiss My Bass. Kiss My Bass. Which one should I play? You can play Tree Pounder if you want. Okay. That's like limb lining?

Basically, yeah. We'll be right back. perceiving Tree Pounder Tree Pounder baby we've all caught one of those dude that's great man yeah so we have

two like two musicians here yeah do you guys feel like a competitive streak right now

between two of you nope very similar material it's the different brotherhood you guys like you like to dip you like to fish Nope. Very similar material. It's the different brother. You guys like to dip, you like to fish, and here you are.

Dirt's a songwriter too. Oh, Dirt, yeah, well, so is Chester. Well, Chester's like a fake songwriter. So let me tell the funny story about Chester. He didn't do anything wrong. Last time. So is this the Chester from last time? I'm going to tell it again.

I'm going to tell the story again. Chester got married, and he serenaded his wife at his wedding with a song. And somehow it generated some confusion among the attendees, and people came away thinking that Chester had written the song. Am I correct? That's correct. And who had actually written the song? Tyler Childers.

So I'm hearing all about Chester's new song. I'm like, eh, I don't think so. But he didn't do anything to propagate the lie. He learned to, listen to this kid, learn to play. Here, hand this guitar to Chester. Chester learned to play just in order to serenade his wife.

Oh. Now that's a much more, that's a cute love story. What song was it? Do you like a pick, Chester? Nah, is this standard? Pull the mic over by you, Chester. Chester sings like a bird.

Yeah. Uh, oh boy. Just do a quickie, Chester. Much joke advertisement right there. Do a quickie, Chester. He learned to do this in order to sing a song to his wife at his wedding. Isn't that cute? That's romantic.

Makes me want to date Chester. I always can't play when I'm in front of people, but you know. Well, how'd you play in front of your wife at the wedding? Here it comes. There's a cowboy I knew in South Texas Oh, this is a good one. His face was burnt deep by the sun Part history, part sage, part mesquite He was there when Pancho Villa was young

He'd tell you a tale of the old days When the country was wild all around Sit under the stars of the Milky Way Listen to the coyotes howl And they'd go boo-ip-boo-yip-boo Boo-yip-boo-yip-boo Boo-yip-boo-yip-boo Boo-yip-boo-yip-boo

Ladies and gentlemen, Chester the Investor. Wow. Oh, listen. It's so romantic. So I wrote a song about Chester singing that song. It goes, Hoot, yoop, hoot, yoop, Chester. Was not expecting that.

He's like, and Chester sings, Hoot, yoop, hoot, yoop, Chester. Is that how it goes, Jester? Something like that. Yeah. I've heard some other versions probably. And Jester goes, whoo, yip. God, man, it plays a pack.

And then Dirt's got songs. Yep. Yep. Tell one of the names of your songs, Dirt. Oh, Hobo Song. Hobo Song? Yeah. That's a funny story. Tell one of the names of your songs, Dirt. Oh. Hobo Song. Hobo Song? Yeah.

That's a funny story. But another time. You're telling another time? Yeah. You're bringing your own instrument in? Yep. Okay. We can pass it over.

Man, room full of talent. Now, oh, real quick before you do your ditty. Joint, that's what they call it nowadays. Jazz cigarette. No, that's what they call it nowadays. Jazz cigarette. No, not that. Like in rap, you call song a joint. You didn't know this?

Yeah, like the joint. Dude, a song is a joint. Really? How do people go find you, Jared? I know where I find you. Where can you find me? I find you, Jared? I know where I find you. Where can you find me? I find you at Jared Outlaw on Instagram. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. On Instagram, Jared Outlaw. On YouTube, tell them where to find you. On the YouTube, it's Outlaw and then Outlaw Outdoors. It's just YouTube.com slash Outlaw and then YouTube.com slash Outlaw Outdoors. And then if you guys want some dip, OutlawDip.com. That's it. And you got a video where you – I like one where you walked everybody through your boot closet.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, outlawmerch.com if you want some outlaw boots, too. I got 16 different – Let me see those boots you got on right now. Peel one of those off. Yeah, those are outlaw boots. I'm about to get me some outlaw boots.

I want a set of these boots. Me, too. You remember what I said about cowboy hats, dude, but I don't know if that extends the boot. You brought that. Backwoods badass cowboy boots. That's my first song, Backwoods badass. Remember what I said about cowboy hats, dude, but I don't know if that extends the boot. Backwoods badass cowboy boots. That's my first song. Backwoods badass. I remember when

that came out. You remember that, yeah. Can you send me a set of these? Yeah. I got yellow ones. I got work boots.

So you got Luke Combs Crocs and those boots from Jerry. But I want square toe. Yeah, yeah. Now, Dirk, if you saw me come strutting in the office

these hours, you'd beat my ass. No, no. He brought that. You got a shotgun. Yeah, yeah. Now, Derek, if you saw me come strutting into the office these hours, you'd beat my ass. No, no. He'd rock that. You got a shotgun on my guest, dude. In your track pants. Yeah, I can wear my track pants. My neighbor calls me coach

when he sees me in those pants. I can wear track pants and these boots, dude. No, no, no. You're tinkering onesie that you and Jimmy have the same. Oh, and I'll wear that. Yeah, my thing.

Yeah. The more, the older I get, like if I'm out and about, the more I try, it embarrasses my wife, but the more I try to look like a junkyard dog. My wife always tries to look nicer. I always try to look worse. Have you rocked that, the Hawaii look you had? The wetsuit, you were in that wetsuit all day.

Oh, no, I wore it. I didn't go out in wetsuit you were in that wetsuit all no i wore it away no i didn't go out there in wetsuit pants no feel no compulsion to in any way look good it's just like whatever that is is gone it's like 13 years of marriage does it to you i don't know i just like it's just gone but i will wear these boots my track pants so yeah yeah now here's the deal, though. I want wide boots. A wide, yeah. Well, these are Ds. We have a wide and a work boot, but it has a steel toe. No, no, I don't want that.

I want square toe. Yeah, it's still square toe. But I want to say backwards badass on it. I'll get you a wide. What size are you? 11. 11? Okay, I got you.

So that's how people find you. So you run all, so the spittoons are on their own website. Yeah, that's Mud Jug. That's not my company. Oh, it's not your company? Yeah, it's a buddy's company. I used to be – yeah. And so spittoons are – yeah, you can get those at mudjug.com.

And we send a lot of mud jugs to the military too. Oh, you do? Yeah, if you guys go over there, you get a free mud jug basically with your purchase. So you can either get it or donate it to the military too. Oh, you do? Yeah, if you guys go over there, you get a free mud jug basically with your purchase. You can either get it or donate it to the military. So they don't get their army tanks and fighter jets all full of dipstick? Exactly. That's good. Keep the military clean. Keep the military clean.

Exactly. Okay, Taylor, you ready? Okay, now Taylor, would you ever, do you think you're going to have Chester open for you sometime? Sure, we're playing Thursday night Chester, be with me, we've got to go out of town for work I really feel like I'm not just saying this

Here's a way to put it where it won't just seem like Because I like you and we're friends It's a phenomenal album Here's my proof My wife, I could tell you something about her, feels zero obligation to you. What's that mean?

Like, we're friends, you've been on the show. She's not like, oh, that's cute. I'll go see him. Yeah.

She knows the album. Really? We play it in our camper all the time. And when she, and she somehow independent of me me she didn't realize you're on the show right now really well this is a while ago she knew that she was like can you call him to get me tickets because he's i said well yeah he's in town he's on the podcast she wanted tickets to go see you wow that's awesome that's the cool and hadn't even and this is before she

even like put it all she hadn't like assembled all the pieces in her head that's why she likes it that's good and she's not gonna go do something she doesn't want to do totally totally now the cool thing about like music to me it's like good songs like you show them to children or old people if old people and children like them usually that forces people in their middle ages to like stuff and it's like that's a good litmus test of like i don't know for some reason children like my scary songs you know it's it's interesting but get this guy yeah i've showed a few of my buddies some of your music man everyone loves it thank you man oh i think you should be i don't know i don't want like i'm not wishing fame on you like fame in and of itself is a value. But I do think that I hope people find out.

And like I hope more people find out. For sure. For sure. They sure will. We ain't quitting anytime soon. I got people that come up after shows like, please don't stop doing this. It's like, what else would I be doing? You know what I mean?

Why would I quit the songs called hell's half-acre guitar solo The hills have faked her It's a deep dark hole I can't do nothing To save my soul I can't buy forgiveness Not for what I've done. Only thing left to do is to run, run, run. So I turn on the gas and strike up a match.

Jump in the car and drive away fast. Leaving nothing but the fire On the blacktop Voodoo blue White smoke rising in my rearview Got the hounds on my heels You're blood in my tracks And once you go to hell

Boy, you can't come back I'm back. I hit Louisiana. Found an old bike. I tossed out the hammer. Oh, and these old work boots I'm gonna shave my face I'm gonna ditch my car Oh, yeah, I'm gonna roll down my sleeves And cover up these scars

I close my eyes I still hear the screaming Every night wide awake Still dreaming Leaving nothing but the fire On the blacktop For the blue white smoke Rising in my head

Got the hounds on my heels Your blood in my trash I want you all to help, you can't come back Your ghost in my closet Skeleton of mine Oh, we both want to haunt me Until I'm dead But I can ride out west

I've been over a train union Through the end of the line It'll never be the same I close my eyes, I still hear the screaming Every night, oh, I do still dream Leaving nothing but the fire on the blacktop Old blue, white smoke rising in my rear Got the hounds on my heels, your blood in my trail

Watch you go to hell, boy, you can't come back guitar solo All right. Nice. Goosebumper. Thank you, man. Oh, that's awesome. Thank you. Have a sip of this drink. Yeah.

Have a sip. Nice. Wait your whistle with my juice bit. Hey folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. You might not be able to join our raffles and sweepstakes and all that because of raffle and sweepstakes law, but hear this. On-axe hunt is now in canada it is now at your fingertips you canadians the great features that you love and on x are available for your hunts this season now the hunt app is a fully functioning gps with hunting maps that include public and crown land, hunting zones, aerial imagery, 24k topo maps, waypoints and tracking. You can even use offline maps to see where you are without cell phone service as

a special offer. You can get a free three months to try out OnX if you visit onxmaps.com slash meet.