The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 294: A Decade of BLAUKŠ!

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

Steven Rinella talks with Clay Newcomb, Seth Morris, Chester Floyd, Spencer Neuharth, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider. Topics discussed: The French Getup; MeatEater's Season 10 t-shirt and "Fox in a Box" t-shirt; Buckman Juice and a Dirt Squirt slurry for the MeatEater Auction House of Oddities; Steve setting the high school principal straight about a gun in his truck; spitting chew in the seats of your school bus; Corinne's first antelope hunt story; an unidentifiable broadhead lodged in the roof of an elk mouth; how pronghorns smell like Fritos corn chips; a good recipe for swill beer; waving a white game bag to attract pronghorn; Clay's cool lookin' revolver-shotgun; horns vs. antlers; what's more reliable, a bow or a flintlock?; falling off mules; deer drives and blockers, pushers, posters, sitters, standers, and walkers; MeatEater's article on the Brief History of Flintlock Hunting in America; which state in the US is home to the southernmost glacier?; a brand new ocean; and more.Connect with Steve and MeatEaterSteve on Instagram and TwitterMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop MeatEater Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First Light. Go farther, stay longer. Turn the machine on, Phil. It's on, Steve. Machine's on. I'd like to start right here. Because this is interesting to me. I'm sure no one else is interested in this, but Chester just was packing a little dip. Not really.

It was a tobacco substitute. No. Oh, that's actual tobacco yeah it's boiled it's a swedish snooze oh so you're like back on the anyways you pulled one out and put it into a little storage unit on the lid and spencer was asking if you ever get those back out and do a reach you well if you're ever in a real pinch you might grab one that's a good pun yeah so have you but have you personally pulled them back out and recycled probably you don't know who should i ask i'm sure i have okay yeah i just feel like you'd know if you did that or not yeah you think it's probable that you've done that yeah in a pinch yeah pull i

definitely have no okay that's okay yeah do you swallow your snus spit no never no gives you heartburn me heartburn um i just came from the gym you know it's starting to like perplex me is uh the how do they decide what countries to name exercises off of? Because it's always like... Turkish get up? Oh, yeah. But no, because there's this collection of... Women have this little chore list.

They come in, they exercise together. I don't know who does it, but someone comes in on a whiteboard, writes out a little chore list for them. And on there is bulgarian something like sandbags oh yeah it's always like turk like turkey bulgaria romania yeah romanian like you could do like a belarusian push-up i'm sure but they never why is like why those countries does the u.s have anything like an american like a French get up, you'd be like, I'd better go home

and get my wife. Do you know what I mean? Like, you know, I think we have an idea. Why is it good? We have this idea of like Eastern, like this part

of like Eastern Europe being like very good at exercise. Yeah, a lot of testosterone over there. Yeah. Yeah, a Bulgarian squat or whatever.

It's like, oh, that's how they do it in Bulgaria. Yeah. This is like, oh, that's how they do it in Bulgaria. This is a special episode because this episode commemorates our Season 10 launch. Part A. Season 10 is a Part A and Part B. Five episodes are out now. And then five episodes coming right up.

But the five episodes are out now and what we like to do is a little tradition. Traditions! You should play that, Phil. From Fiddler on the Roof. Tradition! Tradition! Did we play it about 13 times during the Christmas episode two years ago?

Traditions! It's a tradition to do episode trivia because after we launch new episodes we always get flooded with It's your tradition to do Episode trivia After we launch new episodes We always get flooded with A lot of questions So rather than just taking them in As they come

We actually invited questions But it was on that day of national unity When social media went away for a day That's when people were supposed to put their questions in, right? It was actually a couple of days before. On the day when America got a break from social media? It was a couple of days after. That's kind of nice.

Oh, why did you say something about how that was an issue? I'm only going by what you told me. Yeah, well, because I started reading them, but there were 936 questions. So I was going to continue on the day that things shut down. Oh. That's why. Yeah. Do we get any questions? but there were 936 questions. So I was going to continue on the day that things shut down. Oh. That's why. Yeah.

Do we get any questions? At least 936. My goodness. You got that dip in your ear? Sorry. I'm teasing you, Chester. It's hard to track everything that's going on. I was thinking of something else.

Don't stop T again. So we're going to answer a bunch of free some facts, FAQs. FAQs about season 10. Joined by Chester, already sort of been introduced. Corinne's here. Phil. I like that t-shirt, Phil.

Yeah, thanks. Did you buy that? No, not at all. No. It is a meat-eater-fueled-by-nature shirt, folks. Yeah, he's got a meat-eater-fueled-by-nature shirt. I love the designs we've got coming out on these t-shirts over the last few months have been killer. They've been great.

You know what? I don't know who's doing that work, but... That hurts, because I've had nothing to do with those. Okay. You know, you can give a little sometimes. I've handed over the reins on that because I realize that I have very personal tastes that don't necessarily reflect America in general. Rick Hutton from FHF.

Yep. I'm here again. Thanks for having me. Seth. Yep. An old man checkered shirt. Well, it used to be an old man shirt, but... Jeff. Yep. I'm here again. Thanks for having me. Seth. Yep. An old man checkered shirt. What used to be an old man shirt.

It's like a, it's a new, new man, old man. Cause it's a fleece. Cause it's a fleece. Oh, it's weird. It's weird.

The Patagonia is doing that. It's like a Bozeman uniform. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a shame. Yeah. It's a dress up. Like you used to hunt a long time ago.

Yeah, it's like... Isn't it funny when non-hunting companies decide to do a nod toward that, they always go way back. They're like, they go to an old looking camo. Or they go to an old checkered thing. You know what? I was in the store the other day and this chapped my ass. There's this flannel. It's like old school flannel that I got.

It came me down from several people. I think I got it from my dad eventually, but he got it from someone else. And Rick has it now because I shrunk it in the washer. Oh, I love that thing. That same flannel. You shrunk it down to Rick's size? Yeah, he shrunk the sleeves. The it in the washer. Oh, I love that thing. That same flannel, you shrunk it down to Rick's size? Yeah, he shrunk the sleeves. The sleeves, the arms.

So they fit my arms now. I saw that same, it's literally the same flannel made, I don't want to say the company, but I saw it in a store the other day for $100. Made you feel like you shouldn't have given it to Rick? No, I just. I feel like I got a good deal. I just feel like you shouldn't have given it to Rick No I just I feel like I got a good deal At what point

Why is that something like that worth $100 Definitely not worth $100 Yeah I really struggle with anything retro man It's really cool I like it I mean yeah

It's just I can see the jealousy in Seth's eyes when I like it. I would, I mean, yeah. It's just. I can see the jealousy in Seth's eyes when I wear it once in a while because he's like, damn. Yeah, I used to wear it all the time and then it shrunk. Yeah, they're like hearkening back to a simpler time. Yeah, let's get back to those prices too. You want to hearken back to a simpler time. Oh, Clay, what's up?

Hey, Steve. Yeah, man, I'm here. Clay's joining remotely. Getting all kinds of bears, all kinds of deers and stuff all the time. We'll get back to you. Oh, it's Spencer. How you doing, Spencer? Good.

You didn't call on me in Clay's shirts. Okay. Do you know what that is? It's a Wired to Hunt shirt. It's a very nice shirt you can buy in our store. Oh, is that right? And then can you buy a Meatballs shirt like that? You cannot.

No. And that's our company's kickball team? That's right. Chester plays. Phil plays. I think that's the only team. Which he uses the best. Well, I was just going to say that shirt's so exclusive,

I was on the team and I don't have one. So good luck. I don't have one either. How'd you wind up with the only guy with a meatball shirt? We had like 20 of them came in, but then the roster got expanded to like 25. What kind of fur hat is that meatball wearing? Raccoon. Who made that?

Who designed that shirt? Same dude making all of our meat eater shirts. Hunter, I think. Do you think maybe you should sell those you know we had folks asking youtube comments uh where they could get one of these yeah oh speaking of t-shirts uh right now at our store at the meat eater.com you can go get our uh this is a commemorative shirt this is a truly commemorative shirt decade-long run of the meat eaterater TV show. So we have a custom our very own Hunter Spencer.

One of those guys that No. What the hell? I always mix that up. No. You're Spencer. He's Hunter Spencer. Correct. And you're Spencer comma Hunter. Yeah. We gotta get him

on the show sometime. We should man. He's the best in the biz He's great World's greatest artist Except for like Sits alongside Seth's Sits alongside Seth's Fiance

Which is a word I don't like to use Sits alongside Seth's fiance Is the world's greatest artist Not only is he like wildly talented but he gets it oh like he gets the brand gets it yeah gets it well he's at a point where not only does he get it but he makes it leads it because i'm like yeah that's what it looks like uh he made us a season 10 logo. Custom season 10 logo. We'll never make it again.

We might make an 11, but I doubt it. Maybe. Also, you can get our new Fox in a Box t-shirt. Now, this was inspired by episode 288, Visser and Bones. There's been a lot of buildup to it. It has to do with a longtime feud we've been having with the German hunting dog community. Yeah, the very lawyered up German hunting dog community, where I have it on good authority that certain members of the German hunting dog community are into these arcane seeming

practices of making their dogs duke it out with various critters to show who's tough. And, and we've gotten a lot of pushback and blowback from people being like, no, but we stuck to our guns and, and, and covered in one episode,

we covered a hunting dog test, which is called Fox in a Box, where your dog dukes it out with a fox in a box. So you can get an official Fox in a Box t-shirt. I sent one to Ronnie. I don't think he knows about it. Ronnie Boehm, God bless him, sits at the center of this controversy in a way that I don't want to get into.

Another controversy is not a controversy that a little bit annoyed me last night. When you're listening, this is just to clarify something. When you're listening to the show, you'll hear ads that we read. Okay. Like, like I'll read an ad. When we do those, we always, you know, we were able to approve our ads, but there's other ads that get inserted into the show um that are read by other people and that through things i would take like five hours to explain we don't have a

lot you we approve categories of ads but don't have a lot of influence within those categories unless it's like in a very reactive sense i I was listening, like I discovered this on, what's the episode that just came out? Oh, with Jordan Budd. Yeah, what was it called? Something about the rattlesnake bite. Hold on. It's called Snake Bite.

Snake Bite. Hell of a title. Called Snake Bite. Snake Bite episode. I'm listening in the mid-roll, there's a thing, there's an ad that's not objectionable. There's an ad about the importance of practicing good firearm safety in the home in regards to your kids

and if you have young kids in your house um you need to keep your guns safe you need to keep them locked up keep a safe household for young kids uh But this particular ad that was on there, I had it pulled right away, was brought by Brady. And that's like a, I don't think they describe themselves this way, but a decidedly anti-gun group that pushes for various gun bans. And like I said, the messaging is right. Like keep a gun safe home, but I'd rather hear it from the NSSF. And I do some work for the NSSF on behalf of their child safe program, but I didn't, I don't want, and you, you won't be hearing from those feathers again, though again, if you got kids in the house, man, you have to keep a tight program on how you store your guns. The auction house of oddities is kicking ass. Oh, I was on there yesterday.

I'm impressed. Dude, tearing in a new one. It is, yeah. I don't want to name names, but a naysayer, a naysayer came to me. He'll be in love with this. Here he goes. He'll be in love with this.

I think we need a jingle for this. Oh, yeah. We should have a jingle for when I'm right about something. And other people are wrong. Steve's airing of grievances, it's just a Festivus thing from Seinfeld. Yeah, there should be a jingle.

Like, yeah, like a bell goes off, whatever the hell, when I wind up being right. I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!. I drink it up. So one of the...

An angel gets their wings. Yeah. So it's like, what the hell is that movie? I told that whole story, right? It's a Wonderful Life. Yeah, how it bankrupt the production company and it was a critical and, you know, failure. Box office hit. What am I saying?

The opposite of a hit. Sucked at the box office. Auction House kicking ass. One of the naysayers came to me yesterday. Well, he didn't prompt the conversation, but we were in conversation about something else in which he acknowledged having been a naysayer. And I knew there were internal naysayers,

but no one would identify them. But he self-identified as a naysayer and, but no one would identify them, but he self-identified as a naysayer and admitted to being wrong. Very similar when it wound to that big lazy boy back there in the back. I still haven't admitted it though, so. Wound that big lazy boy back in the corner there.

Auction House kicking ass. It's like when people are listening to this right here now where are we still at we're still in week we're still in phase yeah week one there'll be like five days left on these items oh okay here's the deal the the skunk essence that we had you can just enter to win the skunk essence and if you go on the auction house the the auction house execution, we're still working some kinks out. You wouldn't know that that skunk essence was extracted by none other than me

and Chester and Seth with a hypodermic needle I bought at Murdoch's. I got in trouble that day. Oh yeah. I've seen Chester fight with his wife east and west of town on I-90 about his proclivity for messing around out in the woods and waters.

No, it's mostly my fault. He stays very ready. He's like, well, you know, this is why I live here and this is my lifestyle. No, I mean, yes. But it's communication, folks. I know I was supposed to be home a couple days ago. Communication.

I need to get better at it sometimes. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like, a good stretch of the I-90 corridor, I've sat and listened to Chester explain his way out of. What's that have to do with the skunk essence? Because we were coming back from getting the skunk essence with a cattle needle.

The day's activities took longer than what Chet expected and told his wife. Especially getting that skunk oil out of there. Yeah, because you don't want to drive, you want to get the skunks all taken care of where you're at. You don't want to drive them home

and take care of them at home. You're already getting enough trouble bringing them home anyway. So there's like some passion in this skunk essence. Oh yeah. If you take a skunk and you,

I learned this from, I learned how to extract it from probably the best, i feel the best fur handling person on youtube coon creek outdoors that guy's great stew yeah uh stew miller stew miller stew miller coon creek outdoors one like very good explanation of fur handling anyways he he shows how to do it but you can, you just take them and syringe it out, fill the jar. So you don't need,

like people keep being like, oh, I don't have any money. How can I participate? You can go sign up to win the two ounce bottle of skunks stink. Did you hear about the Friday night controversy in our auction house?

No. Friday night, there was a bid on Giannis' first pheasant tail feather for $30,000. Oh, my God. Oh, no. That's cool. The person meant to bid $300. Oh. But that tail, that's ridiculous because the tail is way higher than I ever would have thought.

But I didn't know it would go for $30,000. Can we get that guy uh can we get him roped into that you're missing here he didn't mean to bid i know but can we just zap his card anyway i have a feeling uh it would go to the next highest bidder which would be like 500 at that point currently it's sitting at 800 so how did the guy that accidentally put in 30 grand, how did he get his situation rectified? I texted our IT guy and I said can this possibly be right? And he said not a chance. And so he knocked it back down to what he assumed was the correct bid

of 300 and then bidding has proceeded from there. Well how do you know that he didn't mean it? No one called him? Because naturally, because you have to go up in like $10 increments, it was at $290. And then the guy meant to go to like $300, but instead he made it $30,000. Warfield's on him or on us. I think we may have left some money on the table.

Clay, that dirty dealer, Clay, he would have locked it in, man. So yeah, the auction house is doing great. The first round, I don't know where we're going to land. We're going to land good. We're going to land good in the first round. And we got a lot more rounds coming up. And then the auction house is inspiring more things. So Doug Duren, we've been talking about having Doug Duren submit a bottle of Buckman juice.

I was thinking he'd submit a whole mason jar of Buckman juice. But what he is going to, he still is promising to deliver on that. But what is going to be on the auction house is you get to spend, you get to have a four-hour tour of the Dern family farm in Casanova, Wisconsin, to talk conservation, conservation land management, how to facilitate access on your property in a way that sort of jibes with farm objectives, how to run a profitable farm and still prioritize conservation work. You got to pay your own travel, but you spend four hours driving around with Doug.

I could spend four years driving around with Doug. That's actually one of my favorite things to do is drive around with Doug, listening to him talk about his farm. Who pays the gas? Doug's going to pay the gas. Okay. Or I'll pay Doug for the gas. And if you want,

you can go home with a jar of Buckman juice. You can even watch Doug going out on a limb. If you so desire, you can watch Doug emit. You can watch Doug emit Buckman juice. It's like a drug test. A guy wrote in. Yeah. You'd be like, you'll know.

A guy wrote in that it should be called durian urine. Durian urine. And then, you know, remember how dirt's chew spit is also very attractive to deer? You know this? I don't think so. Yeah, dirt's chew spit, very attractive to deer. I wonder what would happen if you mixed the two. Well, that's what this guy's thinking.

He says you got to combine durine urine and dirt squirt. How has that been tested? Dirt squirt and durine urine. Let's workshop that name. No, that's it. Into a slurry. What he suggests is it be. The two said box.

It be combined into a slurry. A deer attractant slurry. How do they know it attracts deer? Dirt squirt. Because if he spits it out of a tree, deer come up and smell it. more than when other people choose spit out of a tree like if you spat off the north side of a tree and he spat off the south side deer gonna go to the south side if doug puts some buckman juice on the tree they're probably gonna start there

it's true man i've seen it on this on the subject of skunk essence um a lot of people been writing in about i didn't know it was such a thing to do skunk oil uh pranks he put skunk essence on a paper plate and slid the plate under the driver's seat of his buddy's car hot humid michigan september day the guy brought it to have it professionally detailed trying to figure out what was going on couldn't get rid of it they couldn't sell the car and in the end it was scrapped oh ruin the car is it really that bad you would not believe because people have told me that like antelope glands

smell. I mean, I know skunk versus antelope, but I'm like, it smells great. It ain't even the same. When you get close to it, you can't breathe. Yeah. Okay. It's almost like, it can be used as like mace. Because like smelling it in the air is, I think it's fine.

No, when you get it up in there, it's a different experience. It even smells way it's like a different smell when it's that close, when you're up in it. It doesn't smell like it smells far off when you're real close to it. This other guy wrote in about something interesting. You know, I remember being in high school. This is kind of date my ass for sure because I graduated high school in 1992. But I remember being in high school and they made a rule that you couldn't bring guns to school anymore. And I remember going down to the principal and being like, well, that's not going to work.

Because we have our guns at school. And him being like, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, if you're like hunting or whatever that's fine and so we'd like park in the high school parking lot with with guns and socks because you had to have there's a case law but a gun and a sock in the window and no problem and this guy's talking about this is in the morley stanwood area south of Big Rapids, Michigan. And he said that when his school tried to get rid of guns or so, I'm messing this up. They started bringing in a dog to sniff students' vehicles for drugs.

But kids that had shotgun shells and spent brass and stuff in their cars would get a pass because the dog, whatever dog they had, would smell that stuff too. So then he said all the kids that did have weed started to also have guns so they could get a pass on their car. I don't know if that's true or not. He says that's one way to get kids into hunting. I don't know. Do you buy that, Phil?

I don't know why. That's such a specific thing thing i don't know why he'd lie about it it's all it also just seems completely backwards to me yeah yeah it don't seem right yeah hey steve when i was in uh when i was in high school a junior in high school my dad bought me a 44 magnum Super Redhawk stainless steel Ruger with a nine-inch barrel pistol with a two-power scope on it. I like the specificity. And I carried it to school every day. And just kept it in the truck i mean just yeah you know and uh mr mosier i can i can say his name because yeah mr mosier he was the principal at the school and he heard about it and he came to me and said hey clay i heard you got a new gun and i said yeah it's in the truck

and he said let's go see it and he literally walked to the parking lot with me to look over the gun, like not to get me in trouble because he thought it was cool. And then we just put it back in the truck and he was like, man, that's a great gun. End of story. Times have changed.

Okay, one more high school story about dipping. This guy was saying that when he was in high school a bunch of students would spend half day at vocational school and he describes these ones as the hicks and hillbillies and i like he doesn't it's like you got your hicks you got your hillbillies and then there was me from his perspective and they load up on a bus they had a 30-minute ride down to Vogue. They couldn't bring empty bottles to spit in because the bus driver would know what was going on.

But he said it was an old bus, and there was a lot of rips, so they would just spit into the rips of the bus seats. After a while, the bus started to smell like rotten chew so they set up a sting operation he said the bus driver just inexplicably in the middle of the ride stops the bus and runs back to catch everybody everybody tried to attempt to spit out their chew but a lot of them got busted all involved were suspended made to clean the bus from top to bottom and had to buy new seat covers and install those seat covers on top of that his parents grounded him for a month moving on a major correction a major correction we covered very heavily these boys in michigan that were trapping beavers and they were getting

harassed they were getting harassed they're trapping beavers in the area where there's a hoa and they do all their homework and they realize that by god we have legal access legal right to catch the beavers and they go and make some sets and someone comes out and writes what they write no more or something like that yeah someone comes out and like throws a rock in their like springs their trap with a rock like drops a rock on their 330 conibear and springs it and they wrote no more on the ice so then these guys set up a trail cam and on the trail cam they get a little group of HOA people standing around staring at their beaver traps. And they're thinking, aha, the culprits caught them red-handed. Then we had them call in the show.

And when they called into the show, they were talking about, we know who did it. We got them on camera. Like, it's them against the HOA. There were like circles on the images to figure out who is who. Oh yeah. They were being like Joe detective. Yeah. Well, they had the good, uh, the, the goodness to write in and explain.

They now have a major update. When, when they put the trail cam up and got a bunch of people staring at their traps, guess who was staring at their traps? It was the president of the HOA with a nuisance trapper showing them where the beavers were so that the nuisance trapper could come kill the beavers. What the trail cam did not pick up is the nuisance trapper being like, well, it looks like someone's already doing it for free. No need for me to get involved. Very different. Oh, man. This would be like if Joyce, the dock owner, was actually trying to lure in fish.

To improve fishing. So did they ever catch the person who wrote no more? They do. It was a lone operator, not associated with the HOA. Huh. That story really starts to make its own gravy, don't it? It does. Made it twice.

They made two batches of gravy. Oh, one more thing before we get into our questions corinne tell everybody about your big time antelope hunt oh okay so i participated with a colleague at meat eater uh samantha bates and uh our friend drew map who has been on this here podcast the founder and ce of Outdoor Afro. And this is the first year that the Wyoming One-Shot Antelope Contest hosted women participants and guides. So we participated in Lander, Wyoming. It's my first antelope hunt.

And it was very, I think I've calmed down from it, but for a solid week or so after the hunt, I was pretty buzzed. There are some interesting rules. You have, I mean, it's a timed hunt where you go out into the field with a competitor and their guide, and you kind of hunt in the same general area. And one person, one hunter gets the first hour, hopefully gets an antelope within that first hour. If they don't, they get the third hour, and you take over for the second hour. And the point is for each hunter within a three-person team to get an antelope in one shot with no man-made rests. Yeah.

If God didn't put it there, you can't use it. Not like a fence post or anything? Nope. Not a fence post. Meant to like, yeah, kind of like an older definition of good marksmanship. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good way to put it. Not like a contemporary definition of good marksmanship,

but like shooting over your knee kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Making it count with one shot. Right. You can use a. No bipods. Right.

No bipods, no backpacks. Your knee is arguably man-made, but you can use your knee. You can use your knee. You can lie prone. You can rest your rifle on sagebrush, a rock, part of a tree. Although... You can jiggle a rock around. Yeah.

Can you? I shouldn't say that. I'm not... Actually, no. I don't... That's a good question. I don't know if you can. I think it's like you're just supposed to put your rifle down on whatever's there.

And not move rocks. You can't carry a big-ass rock around. You can't build something or shift something to rest your rifle on. And, yeah, so the point is to have each team member get an antelope in one shot, which, surprisingly, so many teams don't get. There are a couple of teams where no one got one in one shot. Really?

Yeah. There were a bunch of teams where one or two people out of the three were successful. And there was one team out of over, I don't know, what do we have, like 12, 13 teams?

One team where each person was successful in getting an antelope with one shot. So that was the winning team. She pointed out that it's kind of a friendly competition. It's a very friendly competition. Yeah, it's not like a bunch of money getting back and whatnot. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it was a very friendly competition. Yeah, so I went out to the same general area with my guide as another hunter and their guide.

And the other hunter had the first hour. And you're kind of supposed to roughly keep track of where they are because you're in the same zone. But they kind of disappeared. And when my hour was about to start, we couldn't find where they were. So my guide and I went off, and we mainly saw does. And there was an initial opportunity that I think, you know, probably everyone in this room would have taken. But because I was so nervous and couldn't steady myself, I didn't take this opportunity. We were probably about 200, 150 yards away from a group of antelope that, in which there was one buck. And I don't think there could have been a better setup where we were able to get out of the truck

and then crawl to hide behind a huge boulder upon which I could rest my rifle. But I was just really freaked out around, you know, they're all moving slowly. There was only one buck. It was in a group of does. I didn't want to mess up and just couldn't. I probably had five seconds of an opportunity and I just couldn't take it. And then I was really upset for initially because I just thought, ah, like, that's it. I blew it. Like, there was no better setup than that. And we kind of able to drive around this hill and try to crawl up from behind and get him. And probably within about 150 yards after some crawling, we were able to see him, and my guide noticed that he was walking a bit funny and we had found out that the

other hunter in the area had taken a shot at an antelope and tracked it for a while but then it disappeared they couldn't find him so my guide was like I think this is this is the critter and then I just thought like my opportunity is almost up like I gave up the first one this is it I think I need to just do it I was so nervous my like heart was beating outside of my chest oh god I can kind of like having flashbacks I could not control myself I was probably tearing up shaking yeah I'm having flashbacks so I kind of did that, what do they call it, military crawl. The guy was kind of moving slowly at, I guess, within 150. And there was a flat top rock that was really perfect that I was able to get to and lying prone, rest my rifle on. And I was just remembering what a lot of people had told me before and during kind of an earlier day of shooting practice to really not think too much.

Like if it's in your crosshairs, if you can see behind the shoulder like where you need to take a shot, just breathe, relax, commit, and do it. So he was walking very slowly, and I got him in my crosshairs, and I just told myself, take the shot. And I took the shot, and he dropped. Nice. So, you know, and then I continued to be very jittery and nervous for some time. Like afterward. Oh, yeah.

And, yeah, I couldn't relax. And then I cried a lot and, know hugged my guide and he said some very uh mickey said some very very kind words to me and uh he was he was a pretty he's a beautiful creature you know when you after you tag and you kind of bring him to there's like a wildlife and they're students from a university. We had to drive the antelope through this station. When I was down there for it, I don't remember that. Okay. I remember we just took it to a dude I was hanging out with, Locker, and caught it up the next day.

Okay. Well, this one grad student identified this buck as being at least four years old because he was looking at his teeth. And he also had a very beautiful black stripe running down the center of his face and nose, which I guess if it is a younger animal, it's more brown. It's just not as defined black. Yeah, the cheek patches are a little bit different. Yep. And now I've got are a little bit different. Yep. And now I've got some antelope in my freezer. Did you feel that it was mortally wounded? Would it

have been mortally wounded? Oh, pre. It was shot in the leg. Which way? Front? Front right. Do you feel it wouldn't have made it through the winter? Or don't you know? I don't know because it was broadside. Its left side was broadside to me.

And it was its right front leg that was injured. So when I shot, it fell to its right. And when we approached it, it's from its kind of elbow joint down was like twisted around. And it had been walking prior to me shooting it. So I couldn't tell if when he fell, if the weight of his body plus the weakness from that previous injury twisted it around. Yeah. So you don't know if it was packing it weird or not. Right.

Yeah. Did you guys see on Instagram that picture I put up of that? I don't know the people. We haven't talked to them, but it was just floating around on Facebook as these dudes in Oregon shot this bull elk that had a very mysterious broadhead. Oh, yeah. Lodged in the roof of its mouth where a guy had hit it busted its tooth out and the broadhead who had lived for i don't know how long like it was healed up lodged in the roof of its

mouth i have a vertebra with the broadhead like built into it like the bone is all ossified around the around the broadhead but uh lodged in there and i was like trying to figure out what kind of broadhead it was and it's funny because I started sending it to, I sent it to Bill at Iron Will Broadheads. And he can't identify it. Is it like really old? He's like, and then he sent it to, he sent it to someone in like the Broadhead Collectors Association.

Pat Durkin, this is funny because Spencer's laughing about this. Pat Durkin sent it to the two people he knows who are old broadhead collectors, both of his broadhead collector friends. No one can identify it. Really? No. One of these was like a type of broadhead. One guess is this type of broadhead used to be used by trad bow hunters,

but it's not like this thing lived forever. I mean, at its oldest, it's six, seven years old. Right, right, right. Oh, I see what you mean. So someone using some old ass Right, right, right. Oh, I see what you mean. So someone using some old ass hard to identify broadhead. Have you looked at it?

Yeah, you looked at it. Yeah. If you go to my Instagram at Steven Ronell, you'll find this picture. Crazy. Maybe it's some... Steve,

I think they custom filed and sharpened the back edges of that broadhead.'s one theory the other theory is that they got worn from being in its mouth oh i see i was gonna say maybe it's some like trad bow hunters they like to make their own stuff yeah maybe maybe someone made it well i feel like he needs to spend a little more time shooting and making. Well, I don't know. Any number of things.

I hate to get all sad. You get in the comment section. I had said in my caption, I had said, I have five or six questions I'd like to ask the individual who shot the arrow. People took that to mean like a condemnation, like, oh, how could you be so bad? That's not my question. My question is, what the hell is that broadhead? how did you get it so it entered the side of its face into the roof of its mouth it just varies questions yeah not like you're a bad how are you about you know not a kind of but man people really jumped on whoever the dude is he really got a reaming yeah got a good reaming okay uh one guy so i

commented here's one question that came in about the show spencer do you want to read the questions that's what you want i don't know you think that's stupid or a good idea i think you pick the question do you want to answer and you read them yourself that makes more sense yeah one guy said how commented how in the first episode of our new season we hunt antelope with luke combs someone said how i describe how antelope smell like frito-lay corn chips luke combs says that his dog smells like frito-lay corn chips someone says what's Luke smell like? I never got a good whiff of Luke. I didn't get Frito

Frito-Lay corn chips. He smells like what most humans smell like I would say because I never like registered anything unusual. Our buddy Casey says he smells like Frito-Lay corn chips if he doesn't shower for a little while. Oh is that right?

Yeah. In case he does say that. His armpits. He said he kind of likes the smell. For whatever reason, my daughter wants to get a stick of deodorant real bad, and I have no idea why. And she says if I don't wear deodorant, I smell like old macaroni and cheese. That's probably because you probably have old macaroni and cheese on you.

Probably. I didn't register a smell with Luke. No. Someone want to know how many beers I drank with Luke? Those boys drink a fair number of beers. But rather than answering that question, i'll talk about what i was drinking i was so the ranch we are at they have friends this is the best shit on the planet man the ranch we're at had friends who run 4j bq sauces am i reading this right 4j barbecue sauces. It's like 4J ranch, 4J barbecue sauces.

He gave me a jar, the guy who owns the ranch, gave me a jar of this stuff called Bloody 55, which is Bloody Mary mix. But man, you take a swill beer, like just a regular shitty beer, good beer.

Good beer. What I think of as good beer, but swill. Yeah. Like I think shitty beer is good. Same. And people are like, oh, it tastes like water i'm like i like water too it's like if you drink beer and people get mad that the beer taste they get mad about it but it's like but why would i not just drink things that

i like and also why does it not make you mad when I drink water? I agree, man. People are like, I just drink water. I'm like, but I drink water. People have such an opinion about it. It's the weirdest, stupidest argument. But I think the point is, if you're drinking a thing,

it should taste like what it is. It does. It tastes like swill beer. So you're tasting like water, okay. It tastes like, I like swill beer. Yeah. I don't like, i don't need that much flavor in my life like if you're gonna drink beer for four hours i don't need every sip to be like oh

my god you know i agree it's like you don't sit and eat foie gras for four hours you eat foie gras for a couple minutes when's the last time you sat down and drank beer for four hours. He'd foie gras for a couple minutes. When's the last time you sat down and drank beer for four hours, though? Slowly, cleaning fish. I don't know. On that Luke Combs shoot. At my fish shack, I'll drink beer. I'll drink. Oh, yeah.

I'll drink like two cans of beer over the course of four hours. On Giannis' Instagram. I still need that much flavor in my life. Oh, my. Gianni's the worst. On Giannis' Instagram, you can see a video of Yannis and Luke shotgunning a beer. Oh, which is extremely impressive. It's great.

Did you shotgun with them? I don't know how. Never have. No. We used to do keg stands. We used to fill fish aquariums up with combat juice. And then you'd get lowered into it. That used to be a thing we liked to do.

Do you tell a story about something floating in the combat juice? Oh, we were doing that one night when I was in this house. I used to live in with some buddies of mine. And we were doing that where we filled a fish aquarium with combat juice. And, you know, then you get like, don't, you know, like they hold you up by your ankles in there. Yeah. The next day looking, it's just like, I remember it was like, it goes 76 cents of change is in the bottom of that from shaking out of people's pockets.

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Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. Oh, but what I was saying about these beers. So this Bloody 55, here's what you do. You get yourself a swill beer. It annoys my brother because I'll pour the top off. But he likes to drink the top off. Yeah. So however you go.

If you're frugal, you drink the top off. If you're like me, you pour the top off and top it off with Bloody 55. If you want to get real good, you get a turkey baster. Um, you know, I knew some people one time that, that it was a couple, it's two, it was a couple and they wanted to have a, it was a,

it was a, uh, two women that wanted to have a baby. They were a couple and they, um, wanted one of their brothers to be the donor and did the whole thing with a turkey baster. Huh.

Successfully. You get yourself a turkey baster. A different one. I think we can put it together. I think you got it. And you draw out. This is what I did. I fell so in love with this drink

that I'm telling everybody about that I bought a turkey baster for this purpose. You get yourself a turkey baster, suck the bloody 55 out, and then inject it into your can. You're really good at sound effects. Oh, yeah. I think we need to make a whole, yeah. Eject it into your can, mess free.

That's pretty impressive. I like to do two good glops. Two good... That's the official glop sound right there. Unit of measurement. How many beers did I drink with Luke? Not many, but I sure enjoyed them. Because I had that jar of that stuff.

Man, that stuff was good. Expensive to order it which my wife, I talked it up so much my wife got me some for Christmas but I had to pay shipping.

It's better to find a, I mean, if you're going to order, order a whole bunch because you don't want to be shipping around one jar of that stuff. This here question

inspired a whole lot of topic coverage. Or you can order some Forest Floor Foods Bloody Mary Mix, too. I don't know about that kind. There you go. Oh, yeah. We talked about it on this here podcast before. How come you never sent me any of that?

Chester, take it away. I got some. Where? In my house. I think there's some sitting upstairs right now. I'll drink every last drop of that, Chester. That's pretty similar to a michelada, right? Oh, yeah.

It's like beer and tomato. That's my... Dude. Bud Light Chilada. Ice fishing. I haven't tried one. When it gets real cold out and it gets slushy and you're ice fishing, but you're warm because you got a lot of clothes and a fur

hat on. So you're hot, but it's cold and your chalada is slushy. Oh, very tasty. There you go. Those days are coming. Oh, I think you can order some forest floor foods stuff off the meat eater website coming

soon. Oh, that's going to happen? I think it's going to happen. Yeah. How about some forest floor food stuff on the old auction house, Chester? Is it really? It's got to be one of a kind.

I don't know how they do it. It's got to come where if you buy it, it's got to come with you going to their house and singing. And making them a drink. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great auction item. Like an old-fashioned. Oh, gosh, here it goes again.

Chester plays guitar and makes you an old-fashioned. Sorry, Danielle. I'm not that interesting, folks. Chester's work is going to take him away from home even more. Yeah, well, you know what? Speaking of Danielle, other Danielle, Danielle's dog's going up on the auction house very soon. That's true. We're going to put up on the auction house that you bid

on Chester's family's pickles mixes. You bid on a forest floor food drink mix. Right? This isn't actually happening until it happens, but hear me out, Chester. You buy a forest floor foods food box. The old-fashioned box. When you buy it, Chester comes to your house and makes you a drink and sings you a song.

Chester, you don't have to put up with this anymore. Stand up for yourself. What do you think, Chester? That'd be a good auction item. Man, I really don't know what to do. Don't start writing know what to do. Doug Dern is going to fill a mason jar with Buckman juice while someone watches him do it? That's sacrifice. And you can't go to their house and sing a song?

I never said no. Okay. But I'm just trying to picture it, like how that would work. It's a very weird interaction. Yeah. I'm just trying to picture it, like how that would work. It's a very weird interaction. Yeah. I'm here. What are you guys? Double single.

Yeah, you guys, sounds like you guys all planned out, dude. Someone asked, on one of our episodes, we had a mountain goat hunt episode, and I whiffed a shot at a mountain goat. I think it was like around 300 yards away, and I whiffed a shot at a mountain goat. I think it was like around 300 yards away, and I whiffed a shot at it. They're like, whatever happened? How'd you miss that shot? I missed that shot for a whole bunch of reasons.

I'll explain a couple of them. One, it had been a long day. I mean, as much as that's an excuse. Climbing around, had to have spent the few hours climbing around with crampons in the snow everything was cold and wet finally get up on the mountain goat it's bedded down and if you've ever been in a situation where you're laying down in the snow waiting for something to stand up and you've been hiking a lot you just start getting cold so that becomes the thing and

then you start thinking man i can't lay here any longer because i'm gonna get so cold i'm shaking so bad and shivering because now i'm all soaking wet laying in the snow and the other thing that's going in my head is like if the mountain goat stands up i'm gonna i don't know what's behind him like you're hunting a very cliffy stuff and in fact uh had he gone over that thing did you ever go up there yes i was very uncomfortable had he gone up over like had he fallen the other direction it would have been very like a weird hard place to extract him from so i was thinking might have needed ropes yeah you might have needed ropes and you might get dirt miss climbing gear and all that to go fetch him yeah uh dicey so in my head i'm thinking you gotta hit him and you gotta hit him in the high shoulder got him in the high shoulder because when you hear people say like hit him in the high shoulder it's like you'll you'll drop it quick so i'm thinking i to hit him in the high shoulder. Got to hit him in the high shoulder. Because when you hear people say, like, hit him in the high shoulder,

it's like you'll drop it quick. So I'm thinking I'm going to hit him in the high shoulder. But it's November. What I hadn't been really plotting on, because I just lost it in sort of the heat of the moment, for one thing, is that he's got eight, nine inches of wool on top of his shoulder. They're not nearly as big as you think they are. Like, you strip the hide hide off and it looks like a

normal goat laying there. Yeah. Like how many pounds of meat off this one creature just to get a sense of size or how much does he weigh? That's a great question. I carried one the other day. I carried all the meat from one the other day and

I did not feel that my backpack was that heavy. Okay. It was like a one trek and pole pack out. Yeah. I don't know what the hell is it. What is in one? I don't know. Very low yield though.

Uh-huh. Yeah, they got a huge gut. They're eating all that low quality forage. They got like an enormous digestive tract, huge gut, not a lot of meat. They don't run. Small back straps. I remember that. Small back straps.

Small little, not very wide. Yeah, there's not like a gurt. of meat they don't run small back straps i remember that small back straps all little not very wide yeah there's not like a gurt they're they're not you get the hide off them in your eyes like wow there can't be 40 pounds i don't know is there 40 pounds of boneless meat in a mountain goat maybe a big one that's it maybe more than that i don't you know i i can find out but i don't know off the top of my head. I could do some math and figure it out. I carried one out, bone in, and I don't think my backpack. There's no way my backpack weighed more than 80 pounds, and I had the whole thing on the bone, including rib slab, in my backpack,

and I don't think my backpack weighed 80 pounds. It's like antelope size. Mm-hmm. Huh. So anyways, I'm thinking about high shoulder. I was not accounting for all that wool. I was also off in how I clicked. I was off in my hold, and I was also off in my zero. I was high on my zero.

So each of these things contributed a little bit. And I took off a hunk of wool, which hangs on the wall of the podcast studio. If you look carefully at the hunk of wool that that bullet took off that mountain goat, you'll see that there's a teensiest little bit of like leather kind of attached to it. So we made a little, Dirt Myth made me a little plaque where there's the wool that I knocked off and that's called the miss. And then above that is a picture of the mountain goat

and that's called the hit. But I took that hunk of wool off his back. It's like two flattened cotton balls. Should put a picture of that on your Instagram or something, Steve, when this episode drops or something like that. I don't know. That'd be a great idea that's the best idea thanks guys and the in the back of the thing he he oh he wrote lessons learned in lessons learned yeah

dirt myth got into making picture frames what a thoughtful dude god he made a beautiful picture frame for me that hangs right in my right when when you come into my house, one of his picture frames is hanging there. It's got moss and shit on it. Or like, uh, yeah, it's beautiful. He's a crafty little feller. He needs a spell checker though. He needs a spell checker? Yeah, he made lessons possessive.

Listen, I don't think Dirt puts a whole lot of, from what I know about Dirt, I don't think that Dirt would ever tell you that that's his specialty. I don't think he specializes in spelling. One of a kind, though. Does not specialize in spelling. Why wave a white flag when you're antelope hunting? That's an old trick. That's an old trick. My older brother,

I have an older half-brother who's in his late 70s, oddly. Isn't that surprising? 78 years old old he was a um he was a hunting guide for a long time in colorado he's the first guy that ever told me about waving something white at him and he was a hunting guide a million years ago he would uh he'd carry a white a white flag you know antelope got a big white side on him yep like an antelope's reddish brown but he's got a huge white flank

it ain't for hiding it's for finding each other you know when the sun's shining on that thing like they live in they live spread out in big huge flat country they're ridiculously fast for any predator that's out there as an adult just like hiding is not not on their sort of, they're not worried about hiding. They don't, when they bed down, they bed down in very obvious places. Like antelope don't do anything to hide. The more pressure they're under, the more they want to lay up high where they can see everything that's going on and they don't do anything to conceal themselves. I think that big white side is just a way that antelope keep track of antelope and one with a buck and

some other ones too if you just take something a white thing and wave it and then hide it so it sees the white but never gets to really get a read on the white nine out of ten i don't know maybe not nine out of ten times eight out of ten times that thing's gonna close distance on you they they just they you like if he doesn't know you're there, or he's like, what is that thing over there? And you hold a game bag up and let a game bag blow in the wind and then put it down, he's going to start walking

your direction. Hot tip. Same with caribou. Sorry, one sec. With caribou, if you see a caribou, they're going to pass you by and they're not going to get close to you and you're hidden. Stand up and walk around from it, then lay back down. I mean, they drop everything.

Like you. They're gregarious. Okay. Yeah, you get up, hunch over, walk around them, and then lay back down. And usually, they're going to start, because it's either a grizzly, a caribou, or a wolf. If it's a grizzly or wolf, I'll just see that and turn away. If it's a caribou, I want to go hang out. You're exploiting their gregarious.

Very similar to putting decoys out for a duck. Go ahead, Seth. Our dog is similarly colored to antelope, brown and white. We've had antelope see the dog and come running in to see to get closer. Just because it... She's your little decoy?

I'm assuming just because it looked... Like from a distance, she looks like a little antelope in a way. During the rut, they decoy very effectively too. But I've used that game bag trick all the time. they decoy very effectively, too. I've used that game bag trick all the time.

I keep a game bag always handy. Clay, take on this question about respecting the kill, man. Have you looked at this one? How prepared are you? You know, I did see it. I'm probably at 6.5. Want me to read it to you? Yes, please.

This fella writes in i don't know maybe i'm assuming a feller i don't know he says i was explaining to my wife about respecting the kill an animal after it's harvested and she was down for it and understood but then she happened to be watching the raccoon episode with clay and yannis and she grew livid when y'all showed mingus the hide in the tree asking how the heck is that respecting the animal's life i didn't have an answer for gotten the insight just like clay will take it on but i'll explain real quick uh yannis is training a dog he's training mingus as a hunting dog a tracking dog he wants to be able to run raccoons wants to be able to run lions so in order to help the dog make the association between to connect all the dots of what was happening

yannis uh shook the raccoons hide by the tree got the dog excited about the raccoon's hide by the tree, got the dog excited about the raccoon, excited about the tree just to help the dog connect all the dots. Be like, oh, the raccoon's in a tree. They got the raccoon. Now we get to smell it and play with it. So there, Clay, if you use it for dog training, does that inherently make it disrespectful? No. no i i would i would have to say that you know to me the the holistic experience of

using that animal you know we we took the meat from that animal we harvested the hide from that animal which we we tanned and and that is in the Auction House of Oddities right now. Yeah. You wear that, Clay? I got it tanned and it's in there? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. So, I mean, I just, I personally wouldn't have viewed that as disrespectful at all. I mean, if you're looking at the macro picture of the massive explosion of unnatural populations of raccoons in the country the best thing that you can do for living raccoons is train raccoon dogs to go out and harvest the overabundance of raccoons so it's like this circle of life thing you know what clay's referring to there is raccoon prices are at historic lows and you have a incredible number of raccoons on

the landscape right now um which can be detrimental to a lot of other species number of raccoons on the landscape right now, which can be detrimental to a lot of other species. Great for raccoons, potentially, until they get infectious diseases that spread through them. That's right. No, you know, I just didn't, I would have never viewed that as being disrespectful to the animal. I mean, we didn't let the dog wool on it or anything.

No, if you had a leather throw toy and trained your dog with that, would that be disrespectful to that cow? No one would ever bring that up. If you threw an old shoe, an old leather shoe for a dog, you're like, get it, boy, get it, boy. Is that bad? It's made of leather. Yeah.

Yeah. Put that in her pipe and smoke it. Yeah, the dog toy aisle at the pet store is just loaded with pig's ears and cow hooves and. Oh, that's a good question. All sorts of stuff. Yeah.

Is that disrespectful? Don't think so. To the pig? No one cares about respecting farm animals. Nope. No. I mean, no, farmers do. Consumers don't.

Yeah. Clay, here's another one for you. Did Mingus do well behind the scenes, and how is Mingus' training going? Mingus is Yanni's dog. Yanni got a pound puppy. He went down to the pound and got like a hound dog. Yeah.

You know what? So prior to this hunt, Yannis had talked about bringing Mingus, and I actually discouraged him a little bit from it just because I did not think in three nights of hunting that the dog would catch on at all. And so I guess I didn't discourage him. I didn't try to say, hey, this is going to be really good for this dog. And in complete honesty, I was pretty shocked at how quickly that that dog was, was treeing raccoons. And what you wouldn't have seen is that Giannis stayed two extra nights after the shoot. And we went out

and Mingus absolutely struck and treed on a coon. I mean, just not all by himself. My dogs were there too, but, you know, so the dog did fantastic. He really had the ability to catch on quick to tree an unseen game, which that's the trick with raccoon. With the big game hounds, a lot of times they're seeing the animal in a tree because just a larger animal like a mountain lion or a bear is sometimes visible. Their scent is really strong. A raccoon hound has to be a little more nuanced because he's totally treeing off of scent. And man, Mingus really did awesome. And what was also kind of stunk, Steve, is that we really struggled.

The raccoon hunting was not where I figured we would have trouble. Dude, we were in a cold snap that made national news. There were dead woodpeckers laying all over in the woods that froze to death. Wandering around the woods were dead birds. They looked

perfect. Perfect dead birds laying there that had froze to death. Yeah. Well, the other two nights that we hunted, we just, the coon hunting was great. You know, after the shoot. Yeah, it finally warmed up. Yeah, it warmed up a little bit. Another question for you, Clay.

So on the episode where Clay and I are hunting whitetails in Texas, I bust Clay's Rattlin' Antlers, which I'll point out, are in the Auction House of Oddities right now. The very Rattlin' Antlers. And he wants to know if Clay's Rattlin' Antlers were ready to snap or were you giving it an extra bit of juice okay i am a strong man let me i don't even know my own strength okay there's a little bit of history with those antlers one of the antlers was a five-point side of a buck that my dad acquired at a, like a, like a bow shoot door prize event.

It's a beautiful, probably 140-inch side, and I saw it off the brow tine. The left antler was a, sure enough, Ozark Mountain shed that I picked up in 2005 on, and I'll tell you the property, it was on the kick line property. And so it had been laying there since 2005. I mean, it had not been laying there. It off the off the deer's head since then and it had no indication of fracture or breakage and on the first sit of our hunt yeah you broke it man no wasn't there some squirrels chewing on that there was a touch of squirrel chewing but but it was not on the G1, which is what Steve broke. Gotcha. I can't remember. G2.

It was a G2. I'm sorry. Did we go looking for the broken chunk? I feel like I remember looking for it, but I can't remember if we found it. Yeah, you know what? I carried it around the whole hunt, and I can't find it now.

Oh, it'd be sweet if we could include that. You picked it up in the episode. Oh, I did? Yeah. Good eye, Seth. I got another one for you, Clay. All right. You're getting a lot of action in there, buddy.

Someone wants to know what... This is also in the Auction House of Oddities. What was Clay's shotgun revolver making model? That thing looks so cool. That's what that thing's got going for it is it looks cool. That's right. A lot of comments. Yeah, man.

I like that little Wild West-y looking thing. That was a Rossi Circuit Judge, and it's a.410. Circuit Judge, and it's a.410. Circuit Judge. It's the Revolver.410 that also shoots.45 caliber bullets. And you know what? I want to get a modified choke for it. It truly would be a great squirrel gun, and I used it, and I really enjoy carrying it. I need a modified tighter choke.

That was the only thing it shoots a pretty, uh, pretty, pretty loose pattern, but, uh, yeah, man, I love it. I really enjoy carrying that gun for squirrel hunting, but need a tighter choke. You can learn more about that gun on our website. Steve wrote an article that we published on September 30th called the guns of of Meat Eater Season 10. He talks about six of the guns used in the five episodes. God, the guy's good, Spencer. Yeah, hey, on the episode, we called it the Peacemaker, though. Yeah.

The Peacemaker. Were we calling it in error? Well, I... Or were we just dubbed it that? It was a nickname, I think. Well, it was just kind of a nickname the peacemaker oh i missed one i was going to bring up would i have thought of the mountain goat hunt as a success had i killed a nanny

i would have kept at it and just got i know i wouldn't have done that i mean i had in my head to find a billy and i was going Billy and I was going to find a, I was going to find a Billy. If I'd had to go and not get one, I would have gone and not got one. But would you like have felt badly? No. If you would have gotten a nanny?

No, but I just had it in my head what I was going to do and I wasn't going to change what I was going to do. No, but I mean, that's my career advice too. I think they're more framing and if you misidentified right that's and walked up why did they say that that's why i took that

oh had we misidentified no i wouldn't i would have been like no i wouldn't have uh i would have been disappointed in our ability to like make that it's a very hard thing to do i'm anything but an expert but i would have been yeah i would have been it would have been a complicated one for me i would have been disappointed hey steve let me ask you this when you walked up to it what was the percentage chance in your mind that it was a billy i mean were you like 100 100 really just so we were able to watch it a while and it even had like the piss stained hump it just had all the trimmings okay had all the trimmings and at that point we had looked at we had just been able to look at a lot of goats and the other thing is we're able to this

is when it gets helpful is when you have a mixed herd because by that by by that point they were starting to get ready for the rut and so billies were moving in with the nannies so not only when it's tricky is when you're looking at all nannies or you're looking at all billies but when you got them lined up it becomes like when you have a bunch to compare you can it becomes very easy when you have stuff to compare it to and like i said he had like the the rubbed flank he was pissy colored he was more yellow than everyone else you could compare the horn structure with everyone else do you remember when we spotted that group?

Yeah. I was down below. I'm like, oh, there's a billy. There's actually two billies in there, remember? And then you guys were like, looked at him. You're like, oh, that's cool. Chester kind of wrote it off, that group. Oh, we ignored you.

Yeah. And then Seth, about 25 minutes later, looks in that group. He's like, oh, there's a billy. And you guys are like. Oh, good work, Seth. Oh, looks in that group. He's like, oh, there's a Billy. And you guys are like. Oh, good work, Seth. Oh, nice job. Oh. Phil, do you know that song we're going to make about me being right?

Yeah. Do you want to do that? I'll do it for Chester. You can play it for Chester, too. It's going to sound a lot better, a lot more detailed. Thanks, Phil. Yeah, no worries. I drink your milkshake.

I drink it up. Chess is trying to get in on the post glory. No, I really don't care, but I thought it was pretty funny. No, I appreciate that. That's the kind of thing to burn my ass, man. I'd still be walking around with that too, Chess. I'd still be walking around with it. Every once in a while, Chet looks at me weird.

I'm like, I wonder what he's thinking. He's just pissed. There's a good saying. Vengeance is a dish best served cold. Ooh. There you go, Chet. Oh, on the top. Here's the hell of a segue.

On the top of the horns. Remember I was saying how you could compare the Billy's and the Nanny's horns when they're all standing there together? Someone said they never thought about this until we brought it up on the episode. Pronghorn are the only animal that shed their horns annually. He's got them to wonder, is the material and structure of horns, how's that different than antlers? Well, yeah. So, horns are made out of, here's a very, like, I'm going to give, you probably know a lot about this, Spencer. I'm going to give a very sort of'm gonna give you probably know a lot about the spencer i'm gonna give a very sort of

like superficial understanding horns are made are keratinous they're made out they're they're made out of the substance that your hair and fingernails are made out of yeah i was recently cutting some antlers for my wife to make jewelry out of that's cute and when you're running this thing across the saw it smells like when you're at the dentist. Antler smells like burnt hair? Antler smells like burnt hair when you cut it. Yeah, it smells like when you're getting... When they're like drilling in your mouth. That's what it smells like.

Antler or horn? Antler. Oh, cutting antler smells like burnt hair. Yeah. I hate that smell. We used to cut a lot of antler. But you're not even talking about what I'm talking about. But you were talking about antlers first, I thought no no okay all right listen because i'm trusting that you probably know a lot about this because it seems like the kind of thing you'd know okay maybe not i don't know maybe you don't know anything about it i'm just saying a way to

generally begin to understand like a very superficial way to understand the difference between horn and antler material horn is hair like it's keratinous it's made out of the in fact in antelopes when you're looking at the new growth on an antelope it's almost like you can look and see the hair turning into horn like it starts out as a hair like fiber that turns to horn. And is it hollow ish? Ish. No, it has a bone core.

Right. But when you, so this is getting a little bit complicated. Let me talk about, let me talk about horn stuff in general for a minute. Okay. Go ahead. What do you guys say?

I was going to say when you pop them off, they're hollow. Yeah. Right. It's, I should. Yes, but they're formed around.

Let me just set the table. Yeah. I'm going to talk about horned shit in general. Big horns. Okay. Doll sheep. Bison. Prong horn.

Yep. Mountain goats. They have, what? Why are you taking a big inhale? No reason. Okay. You're doing great. That is a hair-like structure

that sits over a bone core. When you take a bighorn, if you find an old bighorn deadhead, a lot of times the horn will have rotted away, and what is left is a bone core. So that thing's skull, its skull has these big-ass blades that come out of it and go up and fill the base of the horn, right? Yes. Antelope, American pronghorn, be like more more cracked

more contemporary American pronghorn first off they don't have any kinfolk they're the only member of their genus they're endemic to North America so they're found nowhere else no other at the end of the

Pleistocene-Holocene transition all their cousins vanished from the face of the earth. They're the only member of their genus. They are one of a kind. They have a horn that sheds annually. When that horn comes off, underneath it is the new horn already growing. And it's a slick little little gross little growth under there. Looks like matted hair. And then it comes into its own as a horn. If you kill an antelope

and you just go clean it, like let's say you take an antelope and you beetle clean it or boil it, and you don't take that horn off, you are in for a treat. Because some time will go by, and this happens to people all the time, some time will go by and all of a sudden something doesn't smell right. And then all of a sudden your whole house doesn't smell right. Because you need to get that horn off and clean out all that funkation that exists between the bone core and the horn. To get sheep off, like when we clean

doll sheep, you'll put it in a contractor bag. You put the whole damn head in the contractor bag and pour some water in there and tie it up and leave it out in the sun. And then get yourself a piece of plywood and once you've got it good and rotten you take it out and throw it at the plywood to pop the horns off stinks like holy hell some of the worst stents

you ever experienced but it has that same like hairy condom look no to it no just a rotten nasty look oh okay because he's not building a. Because he's not building a new one. He's not building a new one under there because the sheep has his horns for his entire life. So pronghorns are the only ones that have that weird because they're shedding it. Because that new one grows underneath.

It's like when you're a little kid, you don't have any kids. But either way, if you do, their teeth will fall out and there will be a new one waiting there in line. Okay. Gotcha. That's how their horns are. Like the new one's waiting there in line and kind of like shoves the old one off.

Yeah. I remember looking at that for the first time. It was pretty gross. It's like a tight skin around there. When you boil it, you have to like score it. Yep. And then you can, once it's boiled, you can like peel it off. Yeah.

It's like a little condom over the bone core. Yep. And then you can, once it's boiled, you can like peel it off. Yeah, it's like a little condom over the bone core. Yep. And they do have like a hollow cavity in them, Corinne. In college, I shot like a year and a half old antelope. So here you go. Here's the suspense we know and love. I shot like a year and a half old antelope, which would have made for like a really, really unimpressive European mount. So I pulled its horns off and I made a shot glass with one of them because it

held exactly an ounce of liquid in it. Oh, that's cute. That's cool. You still got it? No. Abuse it. It'd be good auction house.

That's right. And I imagine as you get like a two and a half year old, three and a half year old, four and a half year old, you're probably getting to like a big shot glass volume at that point. If you listen to this podcast, you'd know that, um, age doesn't lead to big antelope.

For a long time, the world record antelope out of New Mexico was three years old. Yeah, but there's certainly at six, they go downhill. There's gotta be a difference between like a one and a half and a four and a half. Absolutely.

Yeah. But they, but they top out, they can top out at three, but that's the same with like a white-tailed deer. They'll, they'll peak at like six and a half, seven and a half, and then start going downhill. Well, these go, these go downhill way earlier. I don't even know what we're arguing about here.

Me neither. Antler, antler is, in understanding horns and antlers, antler is bone-like. Very similar to bone. The structure, very similar to bone. That's why for a long time, you know, like certain things become, like certain things you say become fashionable. And it would be that some years ago it became a thing where you call pronghorn goats. And all of a sudden the whole damn world calls them goats. Speed goats.

I just had a guy say, I got a goat tag for some unit. I'm like, I don't know they had mountain goats in that unit. He's like, oh, no, I mean antelope. I was so confused at one shot for a hot second. Because Anna was calling it a goat. And I'm like, what? It became very hip to call them goats. And for a while ago, it became very hip to call antler bone.

Lot of bone. Look at all that bone. You know what I'm talking about, Spencer? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Here's one for you, Seth. Yeah. You didn't even get to the question part of why, like, we talked about antelope horns

for 10 minutes. What's the question? Because that was the person's question. The guy asked you about just, like... Oh, no. Is the material and structure of horns different from antlers? I feel like I elucidated that like the dickens. You did. I was thinking during the episode, you had talked

to him, you're like, yeah, now sometimes you find these things just laying around. I was like, no, you don't. You don't find those on the prairie. I've never seen one in my life. You want to bet a million? No, I know. Dude, we find one on the episode. I know. And that's what I'm saying. I was very impressed. I don't think they last long. No, I don't think so either. That's why I was very impressed. They're like, they last long. No, I don't think so either. That's why I was very impressed.

They're like, yeah, Luke, you can find these things just laying around. I used to have a whole window sill full of shed antlers, shed horns. I wonder if like the coyotes and whatnot come and chew them up. Because they're similar to like sheep and water buffalo horn sheds that are dog chews. I didn't know that was such a thing. Yeah, they don't last like an antler. Yeah. The structure is not that strong.

They rot away quick. But I found a bunch of them. I bet I'll find one this weekend hunting with my kids. That's cool. I've never found one. You don't look at the ground very much. We'll let you know if we find out.

I think he looks at the ground too much. Being a rock hound, I think he'd, yeah, but you're too fixed on rock. You don't notice horn. You got to look for something that looks like wood. That's right. Here's one for you, Seth. What's easier, bow hunting or flintlock hunting?

Well, Rick can chime in on this. I want to hear from both of you. So if you were to approach both the same way, like bow hunting, you'd sit in a tree stand, right? Or on the ground, but in one spot. If you're bow hunting whitetails. Yeah. Sure. So if I was to take my bow hunting setup and add a flintlock to it and not a bow,

I would say bow hunting because I know my bow is going to go off, even if it's raining. What about a traditional bow? Why would it not go off in the rain? No, no. I'm saying like. No. What about a traditional bow? Why would it not go off in the rain? No, no, I'm saying like... I'm saying like there's a difference between a traditional bow and a compound. I know what you mean. I would say a muzzleloader is easier and you can be more accurate with a muzzleloader, a flintlock muzzleloader than a trad bow.

I think it's like effective range versus yeah um but i i think if i'm sitting in a tree stand and if i have a flintlock or a bow i feel like the bow is going to be more reliable you know on average yeah that makes sense and and you know easier to to get a shot off. Like you said, you know what's going to go. But yeah, but if I'm running around doing drives and stuff, I don't know, I think the flintlock's just an easier thing to deal with.

What do you think, Rick? I'd agree on that. Yeah. I think, uh, although I'm curious, like if we hunted in a much drier climate, would we have a little bit different, uh, you know, you know, that that's a factor humidity. Uh, and obviously we saw that on that hunt, but I think like Seth said, the type of hunting kind of comes into it, but yeah, I'd say accuracy range of the weapon and it's pretty awesome with the muzzleloader versus a bow but then the uh is it going to go off especially in any kind of damp or more humid climate so i don't know really what you'd say is harder or easier it's kind of situation uh dictates it depends

that's the answer that's your answer the official answer yeah guy wrote in why don't you use blood tracking dogs to trail wounded animals when you hunt in your episodes? It's just a matter of availability. Yeah, I don't know if we've had... But I can't think of any situations where... I don't really know. I can't think of any situations

where... Wouldn't legality also come in? Because some states are still... I think most of them are on board. There is a question of legality. We use a blood tracking dog in between shoots last fall on a deer hunt. Remember around Michigan? Yep.

I do. Yeah. And the other day I had a friend, the other day I had a friend hit a buck and he felt like he got it. He felt like he got it good, but it wasn't bleeding good, but he still, just by looking at the arrow,

he felt like that has to be a dead deer, but he couldn't find it. Cause it went into a cornfield, a thick cornfield and there was not enough blood. And so he's like, yeah, just looked and looked and looked. Um,

and he asked me if I knew anybody that had a tracking dog and we're trying to get ahold of Yanni cause Yanni's kind of more tied into that. But I called a friend of mine who's got lion hounds and he said they're not blood trailing dogs per se but my god do they find dead and dying stuff like they can't help themselves yeah so i said well how do you know when they find these so i'll put gps collars on them and turn them loose and if there's something dead out there, they're going to know about it. And so he goes out there with my friend and my friend goes around the other side of the cornfield in case this thing comes busting out.

He said he hadn't even gotten finished walking around the cornfield and phone rings. Found the deer. He said those dogs just, they're like, they just are on it. So he sees all the dogs, you know, all the dogs, they come together and quit moving. He's like, there's something holding their attention. It's the deer.

That's cool. Yeah. Seth's basically like a bloodhound. Oh, he's good at spotting blood. I used to be, my eyes went bad. Blood track has gotten hard. I like blood track. Seth's good at spotting blood. He's got little, yeah, my eyes went bad. Blood track has gotten hard. I like blood track. That's good to spot in blood.

Got little, yeah, little blood spotters. Here's one for you, Clay. On the mule-based episode, so we did an episode of hunting squirrels off mules. Do the cinematographers, that's a generous term. Do the cinematographers. We call them camera dudes. But no, no, I'm joking. Do the cinematographers and crew have to hoof it the whole time,

or do they also get mules? This is a real point of contention. Yeah. Yeah. We don't get mules. I've been on shoots where they have mules. It's hard. It's hard to be up and down.

It's hard to shoot off a mule. It's hard on, when we did that hunt in Wyoming, that horseback hunt in Wyoming, that kind of stuff's just hard on equipment. Because horses or mules are always running you into brush and stuff. You can't kind of, you can't control it. But no, we usually don't. For long pushes, everybody will have a horse. Yeah.

But it's hard to do your work on the horse. Yeah. And people almost get where they'd rather just run. Yeah. But it's hard to do your work on the horse. People almost get where they'd rather just run. Yeah, because it's hard to film, right? And I mean, we may not be sitting on mules or horses, but we do offload some of our gear onto the horses that make us

a little lighter. More fleet of foot for getting around, yeah. I know I said that was for you, Clay, but it wound up not being for you. Sure. I guess Clay's part of it is it's Clay's fault for not having mules for everyone. You need to get more mules, Clay. Man.

Hey, post-COVID, it's a hard market. Hard market for mules. Everybody thinks they're a mule skinner all of a sudden? Well, they've doubled or tripled in price. Huh. Have you ever thought about breeding mules, Clay?

Like not breeding mules because you can't, but like trying to make mules. You know, if I had a bigger place, I probably would try to have some mare horses and raise a mule, but you just need a lot of ground, you know? Yeah. Need a lot of ground.

Hey, the camera is talking about cameraman walking though. You know, they did a lot of walking on our squirrel hunt and on other mule hunts we've done, Steve. I mean, you know, I remember that first day when the first day we shot for the squirrel hunt, um, Tyler's whatever kind of device he was using to track it, track himself. You know, he, he felt like we went 11 miles that afternoon. So that's a lot of walking for the camera dudes. And we did more than that the next few days. No, a good way to think about it, camera guys,

imagine yourself out hunting birds with a dog. You walk a mile. The dog walks five miles or more. All the zigzagging around. Yeah, camera guys get some miles on. That shoot was tough because we would then go coon hunting that night. Yeah. I was pretty happy with the can-am that i got

to drive around in you're feeling good in there yeah how do i find traveling on muleback i quite i quite enjoy it man i like it um yeah i don't know that i i I'm not like a sophisticated enough of a horseman, a muleman to have like strong opinions about mules versus horses. But I can say that I have no desire to travel fast on horseback. Like I have no interest in galloping. So I don't need an animal capable of galloping because this is not my thing to gallop around,

to gallop through the mountains. We witnessed you come off a mule a couple times on that episode. Oh, yeah, I fall off those things, but I'm like a cat, man. I got to say. I lay on my feet, dude. I wasn't going to bring it up unless somebody brought it up. I was impressed with you, Steve, that you weren't afraid of the mules. And I have seen the three guys that I've put on mules this year,

Giannis being one, you being one, and then my buddy Dave Gardner, and I'll tell on him, have had the same, have actually getting on the mule with heavy packs, have fallen over the top of them and landed on the ground. And it's, yeah, they're tricky, man. They're tricky sometimes just to get your balance. And then you got pulled off by a wall of briars one time. Yeah, it wasn't my fault. Yeah, no, it really wasn't you just

got raked off and the mule just went through but no and the second time your mule was trying to hop onto a road yeah and it like jumped the ditch and kind of sent you flying slipped on the ice yeah hey michael the lone ranger wouldn't have been able to hang on for that yeah hey michael michael lanier who's a veteran horse and mule rider bit the dirt and i've never seen him by there hey that was treacherous conditions for riding mules man yeah i had i think three crashes i got drug off by briars the horse fell on the ice and i just stepped off it because it was laying on the ground and then i got kind of like thrown off i guess yeah and then michael lanier his big mule was trying to sidestep a frozen what

what happened is we were walking down these old roads that were covered in snow but there were big mud holes underneath the snow it froze it looked it looked like just like perfect flat dirt road and then the mules got on it and they were standing on sheets of ice so they started getting super spooky and uh anyway lanier's mule sidestepped what he thought was a mud hole and then jumped and michael just came sailing off and landed on his back. Yeah, it was treacherous, man. It really was. You know, it was funny. The other day, we were hunting mountain goats.

One of our colleagues had a mountain goat tag, and we were out hunting mountain goats, and we were going down this trail, and there was a tree falling over in the trail. And you can see where guys have been in there hunting on horseback, and you can see on the trailhead side of this tree that they had gotten into a terrible ruckus with their livestock about jumping that tree. Because the ground, the size of this studio we're in, the ground was just ripped up. Hoof prints. Tore to hell.

Where you can say that no, they could not get those things to jump that tree. And in there is a SIG magazine full of 9mm shells. Oh. And a perfect fit for Garrett's pistol. Oh, nice. Yeah. So some guy got into a big blow up, lost's pistol. Oh, nice. Yeah. So some guy got into a big blow-up, lost his pistol, lost the magazine out of his pistol. So if you're looking for your magazine, Garrett has it.

Oh, haven't seen it. One guy said, for High Mountain Goat episode, on average, how long are you sitting in glass and anywhere from like a real glass and sesh could be at a minimum like a legitimate glass and session could be at a minute 30 minutes or it could be eight hours we're not in coos here we'll sometimes spend the whole day sunrise and sunset yeah and just one or two spots just watching well yeah it was tricky too because there was snow if there's no snow it's yeah that changes things you can cover some more ground quicker yeah because with your glass one because mountain goats are white so if there's no snow you can burn through a lot of ground but when there's snow you got to slow down

you're more looking for their tracks you wind up looking for tracks in the snow, you can burn through a lot of ground. But when there's snow, you got to slow down. You're more looking for their tracks. You wind up looking for tracks in the snow. Then you follow the tracks until you find the track stop. And then look and there's something standing there. It's very hard to find them in the snow. They're a little different. They're a little different colored than the snow. They're a little more pissy colored.

But hard to find in the snow. Changes everything. Hunting doll sheep in the snow is tricky. Yeah. You got to look. Did a lot of looking for tracks on them. Yep, and you look for tracks and follow the tracks and try to see what's going on. Hey, folks.

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Yeah. I wanted to know what other states have a muzzleloader season, and then that whole deer drive situation seemed very complicated with a lot of room for things to go wrong. So just kind of curious about the thought behind, you know, planning that and going into it. Who wants to start. I know Montana this year has a it's not like a flintlock season per se, but it's like a primitive muzzleloader like a late primitive muzzleloader season

which you can use flintlocks matchlocks. Percussion. Percussion cap. If someone's out there with a matchlock, I'd give them all the credit in the world. You can use a regular old Joe Blow muzzleloader? No, like the percussion. Like a percussion. The actual cap.

Like a cap percussion style. No modern inline style. What does percussion style mean? So how in the episode, as you saw, there was Flint striking a frizzen and it starts that powder. There is almost like a primer. Think of it as like a cap that's like a primer in a centerfire cartridge. You slip that on a nipple that is essentially a tube that goes down in to where the main charge is. And the hammer is cupped. And when it hits, it strikes that cap with a lot of force and does the same chemical reaction, spits an ignition down through that tube.

But it's a slightly different mechanism. Yeah, it's more reliable. Oh, okay. Yeah, that was like the progression okay you had flintlocks and then technology you had a percussion style okay got it yeah so but most states to answer your question corinne have a muzzleloader season but it's just that pennsylvania is unique and they're the only one that by law flintlock is the newest technology you can use. It has to be a flintlock ignition. It cannot be percussion, which they changed it now. And they were pioneers too.

Like they got going on it before anybody else did. So I think they changed it now though. Can you use a percussion, Seth? Or in the early season, you can use a percussion. Yeah. There's like an early October season. There's an early muzzler season where you can use inlines and stuff. But to your second part of the question, deer drives are, there's a lot that goes into it.

It's culturally, it's pretty neat. And it's an aspect of hunting that's not talked about a lot. There's definitely pros and cons, but there's a whole, I mean, that's like an hour long subject to talk about how to move deer across the landscape. Especially with the number, the big factors like number of people. What's the weather like? We had very crunchy snow, which affected us. And I do want to point out one thing from the episode that I feel like, depending if you don't, if you're watching, you understand when you were trying to make sure all those

deer didn't go down. It's like, we know deer go downhill a lot in drives, but there's a private property boundary there that we cannot hunt on the other side. So you're also in the East Midwest, you're trying to manipulate deer around maybe where topographically contour wise, they want to follow the contour or go down or anything, but you cannot because they're going to go into private. So now you're trying to force a situation that isn't kind of natural. So that's like a whole other aspect of like a good crew that knows how to do a drive.

Yeah. And that drive, when all those deer of like a good crew that knows how to do a drive. Yeah. And that drive, when all those deer were going down, we were just low on people. We would have had more people we could have. Should we explain like what a deer drive is like for people that don't know? Do they know what we're kind of talking about right now?

Take it away. Yeah. Go for it, Chet. Explain it, Chester. So in a deer drive, rather than like people traditionally just sit and wait for deer to come to them, that'd just be like regular old hunting typically. A deer drive, you'll have people trying to push deer towards another group of people who are sitting there waiting on the other side of a woods or a marsh or thick cover. Everybody packs a big dip thick cover everybody packs big dip everybody packs big dip it's usually after you just watch the packers beat the vikings

and um in the midwestern states uh it's a huge part of their culture i mean i feel like people are getting away from the deer drives now but but as much as they used to do them. But anyways, you're trying to push deer from their bedding area to guys that are sitting and waiting. Or pushers and watchers or drivers and sitters, you can call them. In South Dakota, we call them walkers and blockers. What? I didn't hear that one come up. Yeah, I didn't hear that one come up.

Pushers and sitters, what do you guys call them? Something stupid. Chasers and walkers? That's sad. we call them walkers and blockers. What? I didn't hear it come up. Yeah, I didn't hear that one come up. Pushers and sitters. What do you guys call them? Something stupid. Chasers and walkers. That's sad. I call them drivers. Chasers and walkers. Drivers and posters.

I do them posters because you're standing a post, kind of. So anyways, let's say you have a 40-acre woods, and you'll probably decide who's going to go sit and who's going to push, however you want to do that, draw cards or whatnot. But the sitters will go on one side, and they'll find little spots to sit out. And usually once they're set, the pushers will go to the other side, and then they'll start walking towards the other guys um and between somewhere in between there hopefully they chase up some deer and they push them over to the sitters

um and you try and shoot them so it's most effective when you've been doing the same push we call it doing a push yeah you. You're driving deer, but you do a push. Mm-hmm. When you have a push that you do generationally. Because you know. Because it could be like, you could have a farm or a chunk of woods, whatever, and it seems, I don't know if it's true, but it feels like, you could take every deer off it and put all new deer on it and give those deer a year, and they're going to leave that patch of woods. Yeah.

Oh, the same way. The big bucks are going to sneak out the back. You'll drive the same area and be like, here's what's going to happen. Yep. If the wind's the right direction, they're going to go up that ridge or they're going to come right along here or they're going to go just left of that maple. And like, and if you do it once a year and don't overdo it, but you save that drive and do that drive once a year, it gets to where you have great precision. Yep. And how it's going to play out. Yep.

And then you're, then you're like, oh, who gets, who's going to go on that? Seth, you go up to that spot. And Seth's like, no, no, Rick, you go up to that spot. And you. Like that gentlemanly. That first drive where Steve had a little mishap with the set trigger that i put you up high because behind you was a shale slide and the deer generally go up and they go above that shale slide because they don't like to go across it yeah so you learn how they're

gonna do it yeah we had two main drives growing up and we just knew the first year i killed was on that drive when i was 13 um and i shouted for me to fill because they'd go up the ridge yeah all i could see is the one just all i could see is like for me to fill is like with the white throat patch sticking up above the edge of the thing that sounds fun oh great time i feel like there are football analogies or like children's games analogies like Red Rover. It can get pretty serious. Your drive is very fun, man. It is fun. I've been with crews where you get to the gas station morning, they pick teams and you're on like B team all day.

It doesn't matter. So if B team's posting, you're posting. If B team is driving, you're driving. And there's a guy who gets appointed a captain. And like if there's a bunch of gets appointed a captain. And like, if there's a bunch of arguments about what drive to do next, doesn't matter. The captain, like, he makes the final decision about what you're doing. So it can get, it's pretty, it's an awesome culture.

Deer driving is, I'll tell you this, deer driving is very blue collar. Yeah. Maybe meat eaters shouldn't be playing kickball. We should start a deer drive team. Yeah. You can't, in this, in some states, you can't deer drive. Yeah, you can't. You can should start a deer drive team. You can't, in this, in some states, you can't deer drive. You can't do a deer drive in the state.

If you look at how the regs are written, you can't do a deer drive. But deer drive is great. It's very blue collar. It's very scrappy. You can get a little western. It's not like, you know, it's not like, you know, sitting around. You don't do a deer drive and go have a glass of red wine.

Or like a fine person. You do deer drives and drink bush lights. Yeah, you don't go like, oh, bourbon up, a tin cup, and smoke a cigar. It's like not deer driving. I got it. You might pack a dip, pour a little Bloody Mary mix into a swill beer. Swisher sweets are common. That sounds like a great day.

You can smoke a Swisher on a deer drive, no problem. And if you want more on flitlock hunting, Corinne, on October 5th, we publish an article written by Jordan Sillers called A Brief History of Flitlock Hunting in America, where he takes you from the 19th century to 2021. Why not the 18th century? Well, because the technology sort of started in the 16th century, but the golden days were the 19th century. Hmm.

So that's where it starts. He didn't even throw to the 18th century. It's brief, but it basically starts in the 19th. Hmm. That's a good article. I'll have to read it. All right, Spencer. New installment. We're going to close out. That's a good article. I'll have to read it. All right, Spencer. New installment.

We're going to close out. We've been answering questions. Now it's time to answer questions that everybody knows. It's time for the trivia segment. Talk about the giveaway. Brought to you by Spencer Newhart. Oh, but here's the most important part. Now, we're going to give away a seat at the Meat Eater Podcast studio

in order to play trivia with us. So we will fly you here to world headquarters in Bozeman. Probably check you for guns. We'll fly you here to world headquarters in Bozeman. But not weed. Not checking. We're going to get one of those dogs. Yeah, keep your weed yourself.

Checking to make sure you're not like a PETA infiltrator or something. To compete in a round of trivia. So we'll fly in. You can sit here in the studio with us. We're going to record a show. You can be present. And then you can participate in the trivia game. It's going to start on October 18th and end on Halloween.

So between the 18th of October and Halloween, go to themeateater.com slash auction to sign up for a chance to come to Bozeman and participate in a trivia segment on this very show all expenses paid we're talking flights we're talking hotel food corinne will deliver you to the room we're all sitting in right now and you will get your own white trivia board i don't know do you think spencer should have to go to their hotel Do you think Spencer should have to go to their hotel? Chester should have to go to their hotel room?

I was literally just going to say, and no, I will not make you. I was going to make a joke about how instead of Chester coming to you, you come to Chester. In the middle of the night, at some point in the middle of the night, Chester will come to your hotel room, make you a drink, and sing you a song. We'll give you the address to Chester's house and you can show up there. Yeah, or take a pic. Or you can just show up at Chester's. And I've heard that we're probably going to have to send you home with checked baggage because you're going to have so much meat eater swag when you leave.

Oh, really? The specifics aren't out there yet. But even if you don't want to come play trivia, if you just want to win a bunch of cool meat-eater or First Light or FHF or Phelps stuff, you should go enter in this giveaway. Experience the smell of this room yourself. Yeah.

No, you've got to participate in trivia. Come on. But there's no guarantee you're going to win. You're probably going to get whooped. Probably going to get whooped at trivia. All right, Spencer. Let's give them a taste of what's coming when they come down to the studio. This is meat eater trivia.

It's trivia you're not going to get from Jeopardy or Trivial Pursuit or any Bar's Night trivia. These are born out of the four verticals. I got one there, man. These are born out of the four verticals of meat eater. What are they, though? I got one there, man. These are born out of the four verticals at Meat Eater. What are they, Steve? Hunting, fishing, conservation, and wild foods. And there is a prize. Meat Eater will donate $100 to the conservation organization of the winners choosing.

The first time we played, Brody won with six correct answers. The second time, Steve won with four correct. This time, I'm thinking it'll take another six-pack to win. So, going to need to bring your A game. Dude, I can't wait to run this because I'm going to run my own and you're going to play. Good. We have some housekeeping from last time. In the last episode, I asked what the term al dente refers to, and the answer was the doneness of pasta or rice.

Sam Nichols and Bradley Schreckengast reached out and said that it can also apply to grits. This was made famous by the 1992 movie My Cousin Vinny, when Vinny asks Mr. Tipton about his breakfast. Play the clip for us, Phil. Oh, I'm sorry. You testified earlier that the boys went into the store and you had just begun to make breakfast. You were just ready to eat and you heard a gunshot. That's right. I'm sorry. So obviously it takes you five minutes to make breakfast. That's right. Right. So you knew that.

Do you remember what you had? Eggs and grits. Eggs and grits. I like grits too. How do you cook your grits? You like them regular, creamy or al dente? Just regular, I guess. Regular. Instinct grits? No self-respecting southerner uses instinct grits. I take pride in my grits. So thank you, Sam and Bradley, for that info. If you said grits when I asked that question, you also would have been correct. Also, I asked what the name of the legendary fish was. Can I interrupt you real quick?

Yeah, yeah. People were pissed about that question because they didn't feel it was appropriate. You were pissed about that question. Other people were pissed too. Okay. All right. I saw the email. You sent me the email.

People complaining about how I had nothing to do with nothing. One person. So you and one person. Also, I asked what the name of the legendary fish was that Max and John tried to catch in Grumpier Old Men. Chester confidently answered Walter, which was incorrect. The correct answer was Catfish Hunter. Thanks for pointing that out. I had about 20 people reach out and said Chester was thinking of Jane Fonda's 1981 movie On Golden Pond, where Billy and Norman grow obsessed with trying to catch Walter the Trout. Oh, old Hanoi Jane.

So maybe that'll make you feel better. And finally, I challenge our listeners on the last episode to figure out who the four representatives were that voted against the Endangered Species Act of 1973. Eli Favreau reached out to the Library of Congress and got us that answer. It was Robin Beard of Tennessee, H.R. Gross of Iowa, Earl Landgrebe of Indiana, and Robert Price of Texas.

Thank you, Eli. Those all sound like names from a long time ago. Sounds like 1973. Not Robert. He gets to be running around now. All right. And that brings us to Meat Eater Trivia. Play the music, Phil.

Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything. How's that? You stand to win everything. Well done. God, Spencer's good. I feel like Spencer's going to get poached away by a real game show. Jeopardy.

Real quick before we start the game. Clay, do you have something to write on? I do. Oh, wow. You're ready. Cool. Awesome. Clay is the only guy on the planet that's so honest that I trust him to play remotely.

Yeah, me too. I would never trust myself to play remotely. I'd be like, uh-huh, uh-huh, doing Google searches. Okay. All right, first question, and like the last two times we played, this one is going to be multiple choice. The topic is public lands. What state has the southernmost glacier in America?

Utah, Wyoming, California, or Colorado? Which state has the southernmost glacier in America? Utah, Wyoming, California, or Colorado? I feel like I got this one wrong. God damn it. Hold on, Clay. Don't be showing your answers yet. Damn it.

What you got, Clay? I have my glasses on, so I can only see up close. I'm holding back until the right time here. I will prompt you in to show your answers. Does everybody have an answer? I'm not happy with my answer. Reveal your answers. I am seeing

one person got it right. Chester, the correct answer is California. Why is that a public lands question? Because it's on public lands. All four states mentioned have glaciers, but the southernmost in the USA is the Lilliput

Glacier in California. It is about 12 acres in size and lies on the shaded, north-facing, vertical cliff of Mount Stewart in the Sierra Nevadas. It actually grew 5% in the 1970s to 1990s, but has been shrinking ever since. I knew I should have put that down.

What elevation is it at i don't know it's one of those like oh i didn't know that questions wow well done chester the second question it's chester chester did you guess or did you actually know guessed it was educated that's right he knew He knew the Sierra Nevadas were high and cold. Question two. The topic is cooking. If a recipe calls for SPG, what does it want you to use? Here's an example.

In the chef's notes, it may tell you to generously apply SPG to a deer steak before grilling or to a fish fillet before battering. SPG. The example, again, is in the chef's notes. It may tell you to generously apply this to a deer steak before grilling or to a fish fillet before battering. A lot of people write down their answers fast. Chester, do you have an answer? No. Everyone reveal your answers. Anyway, we have Steve says salt, pepper, and garlic.

Oh. Corinne says salt, pepper, and grease. Clay says salt, pepper, and garlic. Clay says salt, pepper, and garlic. Phil does not have an answer. A creative answer by Rick is salt, pepper, ground, and then... Pepper, comma, ground.

Seth couldn't come up with a G. He said salt, pepper, question mark. The correct answer... I didn't have a G either. The correct answer is salt, pepper, and granulated garlic or garlic powder. Dude, come on.

That's correct. My goodness. So we had Steve get it correct. We had Clay get it correct. Right. Is that it? I'm very, very proud of that right answer.

This acronym is especially common and divisive in the barbecuing world, where it's a popular rub for ribeyes, filet mignon, brisket, tenderloin, chicken breast, chicken wings, pork chops, and more. Some swear by a ratio of one part salt, two parts pepper, and one part garlic, while others think the correct ratio is one part of each. And a third camp swears by four parts, salt, two parts, pepper, and one part garlic. No,

that's nasty. If you want to make this easy on yourself, our friends at Spiceology actually sell an SPG rub that they say is their most versatile blend. You can find. Good job. SPG. God,

this guy's going to get a call from a real game show. It's too bad. You have a contract with us? Disappointment. Disappointment. We can talk later. Why don't we start a game? It's a hands game show. It's too bad. Do you have a contract with us? Disappointment agreement. We can talk later. Why don't we start a game show? It's just a handshake agreement with Spencer and Mediator. The third question, the topic is waterfowl.

Now this next question comes to us via Samuel Saucier. If you have a question that you think is right for Mediator Trivia, you can send it to trivia at mediator.com. Listen to this. I keep thinking I'm at a different thing. The question... I feel like I'm at some show. Couldn't be this podcast.

The question, again, via Samuel, is what was the most harvested duck in America in 2020? What was the most harvested duck in America in 2020? I think this might be one of those, oh, I didn't know that questions. I don't know. Again, if you have a great question like Samuel, send it to trivia at themeateater.com. Most harvested duck.

Does everyone have an answer? I'm going out on a limb. Reveal your answers. Steve says coot. Chester says greenheads. Corinne says mallard. Clay says mallard. Phil says mallard.

Rick says mallard. And Seth says green-winged teal. Seth is stupid. The correct answer is mallard. I mean, I'm greenhead mallard. I will give mean, I knew it. Greenhead mallard. I will give it to you. This stat. You can't write greenheads down.

That's what people call them. Males. This, I will give it to you. This stat is from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. There were 2.9 million mallards killed in 2020, followed by the green-winged teal at 1.2 million. Not a stupid answer, Seth. Yeah, suck answer, Seth. Yeah, suck it, Steve.

Gad wall at 1 million, wood ducks at 900,000, and blue wing teal at 800,000. Here's why I put coot down, because you're allowed to get like 25 coots. Hmm. That was kind of a stupid answer. Your answer was stupid. Yeah, it was stupid. But here's the thing. Here's the thing. In a lot of trivia, people focus on like, like I said, it's a type of question that

inspires the response. You're like, oh, I didn't know that. Of course it's Mallards. But I put down Coots thinking it was like a surprise question. I get it. I get it. Last time, I was doing the same thing. I put Green Wing Teal because the

Southern states are pounding teal for months before our season's coming. Yeah, you were close. That was a thoughtful answer, though. Thanks again, Samuel, for the question. The fourth question, the topic is fishing. Legendary angler Bill Dance is famous for wearing the same orange and white cap with an uppercase T on it for the last 50 years. What does the T stand for?

Legendary angler Bill Dance. You've probably seen his bloopers. Maybe you've seen him bass fishing. You've probably seen his show. I think it was like Bill Dance, Saltwater Adventures. Dude's been around forever. Is famous for wearing the same orange and white cap with an uppercase T on it for the last 50 years.

What does that T stand for? Does everyone have an answer? It's not right. Reveal your answers. We have Steve saying titillating. We have Chester saying Texas football team. Corinne saying nothing. We have Clay

saying Tennessee. Phil saying tight lines. Rick saying University of Tennessee and Seth saying Tennessee, Phil saying tight lines, Rick saying University of Tennessee, and Seth saying Tennessee State College. The correct answer is the University of Tennessee. What's that, Clay? Yeah, I mean,

that was given when I said Tennessee. University of Tennessee. That's right. I will give it to you. Bill helped the college recruit a high-profile football player who was a big fan of fishing in the 1960s. As a thanks, Tennessee's coach sent Bill a few hats. Bill then wore one during a big tournament later

that year, which he won. From that point forward, it became his lucky charm and part of his identity. Now, there were some context clues there, like the orange and white and the uppercase T. Is there even a Tennessee State College? No, I don't think so. I mean, maybe. But I feel like you made that up. It's gotta be

somewhere. You got too specific. You should have just left it Tennessee. Somewhere in Tennessee. Dang it. Yeah, I knew going into it it was going to be a 50-50. University of Tennessee or Tennessee State. Question 5. After this question, we will get a score update from Phil. The topic is gear.

Some of the most popular binocular sizes among hunters are 8x42s, 10x42s, and 12x50s. In optics lingo, what does the first number represent? 8x42s, 10x42s, and 12x50s. What does the first number represent? Kind of a gimme there, huh? I feel like I had to help out the room after last time. Last time was kind of a bloodbath. So... Does everybody have an answer? Chester is still writing.

You will reveal your answers in 3, two, one. We have Steve saying magnification. Chester saying how far you can see. Corinne saying magnification. Clay saying I can't read his handwriting. I think I got it wrong. I had magnification power, crossed it out, and wrote diameter of lens. We have Phil saying thickness of glass in millimeters. We have Rick saying magnification,

and we have Seth saying magnification. The correct answer is magnification. So does how far you can see count? No. The second number refers to the objective lens size or aperture, which is measured in millimeters. The bigger the number, the wider the lenses and brighter the image.

Phil, hit us with a score update. I got to update this one. Give me a second here. So Steve got it. Corinne got it. Rick got it. Everyone but Clay and Chester. Dang.

Jeez. That's correct. We don't use a lot of binos in Arkansas. You can only see like 50 yards. Just the 8x42s for them boys. All right. Steven Rinella has two points. Chester, the divester, has one.

Corinne, the producer, has two. I got two. He has two. He's got two? Oh, I didn't get his last one. I'm going to edit this out to make me sound smart. He had Californ and green heads. Chester has two.

Corinne has two. Rick Hutton has three. Seth has one. Clay has three. And I have one, putting Clay and Rick tied for first. All right. What if no one counts how many coots get killed? I would be confident that they do because they have a bag limit for them.

And when you take your survey, they ask you that one. We're halfway through the trivia. The sixth question is public lands. Steve ain't going to like this one either. I already know it. Because it's like dubiously tied to public lands? Yes. Okay.

In the year 2000, the International Hydrographic Bureau voted to add a fifth ocean. What is this ocean's name? Oh, Jesus. In the year 2000, the International Hydrographic Bureau voted to add a fifth ocean. What is the ocean's name? And I would be very curious, if you're listening to this and you've got kids in elementary school or middle school, if they have an updated textbook, like if it has this in there or not. I would love to know the answer.

Because I'm very curious. What is the fifth ocean's name? The room looks very stumped. What year did you say again? The year 2000. Oh, wow. Jeez, man. Can I say where it is?

I will not accept that answer. This is the least confident the room has looked yet. Does everyone who is going to create an answer have an answer? Yes. Yeah. Corinne is still writing. I will have you reveal your answers now. We have Steve saying Antarctic.

We have Chester with nothing. We have Corinne saying nothing. We have Clay saying Southern. We have Phil saying Antarctic. We have Rick saying Great Lakes. And Seth with no answer. The correct answer is Southern or Antarctic. Woo!

So, most of the room came through. No. Listen. That happens to be my favorite ocean. That cannot live under public lands. I'm going to agree with Steve. You threw me off with public lands. It has to be in the U.S.

It's not even land, dude. I would be confident. Should have put it under public waters. You could to be in the U.S. It's not even land, dude. It's highly educational. Should have put it under public waters. You could have something for the folks who aren't hardcore hunters and anglers. We'll just call it geography. Did you say it could be accepted as the Antarctic Ocean?

Correct. I'm just trying to tally my lead here. You're winning. The IHO asked this question to a survey of its 68 member nations. Only 28 nations responded, all of which voted in favor of adding

a fifth ocean except for Argentina. Now, this is where it gets messy and why 21 years later... Instead of, like, saying South Pacific and North Pacific

and stuff like that? Sure. Now, this is why... This is where it gets messy and why 21 years later the IHO is still in limbo of officially recognizing a fifth ocean. 18 votes were cast to call it the Southern Ocean, while 10 votes were cast to call it the Antarctic Ocean.

Even more controversial, the nations couldn't decide on if it should start at the 60 World Factbook, Encyclopedia Britannica, and National Geographic Society all now recognize a fifth ocean as the Southern Ocean or Antarctic Ocean. You hate it? No, I like the great phenomenal question. Stupid category. That's all. All right. The seventh question is cooking. What is the unit of measurement that indicates how spicy a pepper is?

What is the unit of measurement that indicates how spicy a pepper is? No multiple choice? No. No. No. No, like when you look at a menu, how many peppers they have lined up next to them. It's not a Buffalo Wild Wings menu. But you do see this term thrown around in grocery stores. Everyone have an answer?

Nope. I'm not going to have one. Reveal your answers. We have Steve saying, what is your word? Everyone have an answer? Nope. Reveal your answers. We have Steve saying... What is your word? The Capsican scale. We have Chester saying Scoville. We have Corinne without an answer.

Can I change mine to Scoville? Scoville's a measure. I screwed up because it's a measurement of Capsican. We have Phil saying Scoville. We have Rick saying Tears. We have Rick saying tears. And then Clay and Seth do not have an answer. The correct answer is Scoville Heat Unit. Well done, the folks who got it right.

This scale is named after its creator, American pharmacist Wilbur Scoville, who invented the scale in 1912. For reference, a bell pepper is zero, a jalapeno is 5,000, a habanero is 200,000, and a Carolina Reaper is 2 million. God, he needs to do like a, you know when remember when you used to go to Mexico and things cost like 80,000 pesos and then it just axed a bunch of zeros off?

So all of a sudden it was like 8 pesos? Then you did you know Keep between 1 and 10. Yeah. It's like 200,000. I knew that. Yeah.

I screwed that up. Question eight. The topic is conservation. There are nine species of sturgeon native to North America. Name two of them. Oh. Nine species of sturgeon native to North America. I need you to name two of them. Nine species of sturgeon native to North America. I need you to name two of them.

I originally had it as three, but I think this room we're going to go with two so we get some folks getting some right answers. Steve had a confident answer. I'm seeing a lot of erasing. Corinne is Googling something. Yeah, what the hell are you doing, Corinne?

I already gave up on this question. Rick is also erasing. I'm not erasing my answer. Are you just going for bonus points? No, I'm cleaning my board up. Go for bonus points, Steve. See how many you think you can get. I'm not going to give you the bonus points. Does everybody have an answer who's going to make an answer?

Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Steve saying white, lake, pallid, and shovel nose. We have Chester saying pallid, white. And then we have Phil and Corinne without answers, Clay without an answer. We have Rick saying northern and white. And then we have Seth saying shovel nose and white.

The nine species are Atlantic, Gulf, short nose, Lake, shovel nose, pallid, Alabama, green and white. So most everyone who answered did get it. I don't think Rick got it. No, I did not, yeah.

Seth, Chester, and Steve all got that one correct. Although many of these species are considered threatened or endangered at state and federal levels, the rarest of the nine is the Alabama sturgeon. They are so rare, in fact, that one hasn't been caught since 2007. The only way biologists even know that they exist is through the environmental DNA tracking.

This is where water samples are taken and scanned for a targeted DNA sequence. In a 2015 study on the Alabama River, 17 of 100 samples taken tested positive for Alabama sturgeon DNA, giving biologists proof that there are at least a few still around. Wow.

That's cool. That's unbelievable. They did it similar in 2014. That's cool. That's unbelievable. They did it similar in 2014. They only had like three of 50. No kidding. Yeah. And they're picking up, I guess, like the slime. Yeah.

It's really interesting, man. Yeah. Did you know that they just scrubbed a bunch of stuff from the Endangered Species Act just for being extinct? They finally took the ivory billed woodpecker. Even though reports still come in every year. Yeah, it's always pileated or however you want to call it.

Pileated. Pileated. Give us a score update, Phil. We have two questions left. It's a barn burner. We have Steve, Chester, and Clay tied up in first place with four. Rick and myself have three, and Seth and Corinne have two. All right.

The ninth question. The topic is upland. This next question comes to us via Jeff Prendergast. If you have a question you think is right for Meteor Trivia, send it to trivia at the meteor.com. There are four states where you can legally hunt the state bird. Name one of them. Now, I need to put a qualifier on this.

Some states have a state bird and a state game bird. Name one of them. Now, I need to put a qualifier on this. Some states have a state bird and a state game bird. I will not accept your answer if it's a state where you can hunt the state game bird. Here's an example. Massachusetts state bird is the black-capped chickadee, which you cannot hunt, but they have also designated a state game bird, which is the eastern turkey. That is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a state where you can hunt the state bird and there are four of them there's only four states only four states Jeff sent this in and I fact-checked him this is a phenomenal question great question I don't think I don't know that I have it right. I have low confidence.

It's one of those questions that you feel like you should know, and so it's painful to not know. Alright, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Steve saying South Dakota. Chester saying South Dakota. Corinne saying Virginia. Clay saying South Dakota. Phil saying South Dakota. Chester saying South Dakota. Corinne saying Virginia. Clay saying South

Dakota. Phil saying South Dakota. Rick saying Pennsylvania. Seth's doing the old shotgun approach. He puts a whole bunch of states down there. I thought you meant list four of them. And we have Seth saying Pennsylvania.

The four states are, which this room did very well, Alaska, California, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota. Of course it's saying Pennsylvania. The four states are, which this room did very well, Alaska, California, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota. Of course it's South Dakota. The Alaska state bird is the willow ptarmigan. The California state bird is the California quail. The Pennsylvania state bird is the roughed grouse. And the South Dakota state bird is the ring-necked pheasant. A little advice for you there.

Mm-hmm. If I was doing this. Okay. I would have a way to build in that you get bonus points for having more of them on there. Like when I had that shit about Sturgeons, where I had a bunch of extras. But what if you have those wrong? Then what? Take it away? Just named all

50 states? That's a good question. Yeah. No. No, no, no, no, no. I don't know what to do if you got it wrong. I feel like I had two right and two wrong. You're throwing down hard. You're throwing down hard. Yeah, you're throwing down hard. If you put them down and you're wrong, wrong, you're wrong, wrong. But if you do it, it should be good on you.

But, yeah, you can't back out. You can't. Keeping this simple. All right, do we have a chance for a tie? What's the score again? So everyone got that except Corinne. So Steve, Chester, and Clay are tied for first with five, and Rick and I have four.

All right. There's a lot riding on this last question. And I need everyone to pay very close attention. Every detail matters in this question. Are we ready? Chester and Seth are pitching jigs for walleye on the autumn equinox. Their boat... If a train going this way

is going 55 miles an hour. That's where we're going. They're pitching jigs on the autumn equinox. Which I think they might have been. It's like September 22nd. You boys walleye fishing September 22nd for you boys while I fish in September 22nd. What day was that? All right.

The question again, pay attention, pay attention. You might, it might even be helpful to write stuff down while we're going through this.

This is very much like the train traveling. What I liked about, I was hunting on the autumn equinox. What I liked about is when they get shooting hours,

shooting hours, like sunrise, sunset, I don't know what the hell it was, 721 and 721. Very clean. You guys were fishing with Luke Combs on the 22nd, but we did walleye fish with Luke Combs the day after. All right. Chester and Seth are pitching jigs for walleye on the autumn equinox. Their boat is headed directly towards the setting sun. Hold on, say it again? All right, repeat.

Like north, south, east, west direction? Cardinal direction? Correct. Okay. Chester and Seth are pitching jigs for walleye on the autumn equinox. What time? Their boat is headed directly towards the setting sun. Chester gets mad at Seth because Seth keeps crossing Chester's line.

So Chester exclaims, Damn it, Seth, cast your line out the starboard side of the boat. To what direction should Seth cast? Autumn Equinox, they're heading directly towards the setting sun. They couldn't be pointed straighter at the setting sun. And Chester gets mad, and he

tells Seth to cast out the starboard side. To what direction should Seth cast? Does everybody have an answer? Oh, yeah. I'm wrong. Go ahead and reveal your answers.

I'm wrong. Steve says north. Chester says south. Corinne says north. Clay says north. Phil says north. Rick says south. And Seth says north.

The correct answer is north. There are only two days a year where the sun actually sets exactly due west. The spring equinox and fall equinox. The front of the boat is the bow or forward. The right side of the boat is starboard. The back of the boat is the stern. And the

left side of the boat is the port. The easy way that I was taught to remember this while working for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is that port has four letters and left has four letters. Oh. Oh, I was just... I like that one, Spencer.

That was a good one. Makes you think a lot. Thank you. But people driving down the road might have a pain in the ass if they can't make a little sketcherooski. That's right. So I'm going to need to pull up a tiebreaker, right?

I had a nice little sketch here. Yeah, you need a tiebreaker. Yeah, showdown of the century. We got Steve and Clay. Oh, it's down to me and Clay? Yep. Do you already have a tiebreaker written up? I do. And as a reminder, the first time we played, we went into a tiebreaker. The tiebreaker question

will be numerical. So whoever is closest, or right on the nuts if you got it, will be declared the winner and get to choose where the $100 is donated. You can all play along, but the only answers that matter are from Steve and Clay. Are you ready? And Clay, remember, isn't being supervised right now. He could have an entire research library at his fingertips. Hands to the door. Kids, be ready. He's got a whole research library at his fingertips. Hands in the door.

Kids, be ready. He's got a whole pack of his kids there working. They're on computers. They've got encyclopedias out and stuff. That's right. So here we go. For all the marbles, what is the average salary of a game warden in 2018? Oh.

Y'all can play along, but Clay and Steve are the only ones who are going for the win. So this is going to be the closest closest to the correct answer will be declared the winner. Again, the question is, in 2018 what was the average salary

for, oh that's going to change your answer? Pre-COVID. In 2018, what was the average salary? And there's no, like, going or, like, closest. Just closest. These are not Price is Right rules. Okay. Price is Right is so pretentious with their going over.

I bet Rick is the closest. No, I don't know. It doesn't matter what Rick thinks. Yeah, no. I see Clay doing math. He's, like, figuring out, he's like, well, here's what they make in Arkansas. No, he's typing stuff. Now he's explaining to the kids.

Clay, do you have an answer? I do. Okay. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Steve saying $40,000, and we have Clay saying $48,000 plus benefits. What do you have? Oh, $48,000. I'll tell you the other answers in the room.

We have Chester saying $40,000, Rick saying $42,000, and Seth saying $43,000. You guys are all in the ballpark. The correct answer is $55,000. Oh! Damn it! Making Clay Newcomb the winner. Way to go, kids. Thank you.

All right. Good work, man. Good work, Clay. The lowest. Look what I wrote. Look what I wrote. 48. Oh, wow. I wrote 48 and scratched it out.

The lowest. Do you know what? Okay, I'll tell you how I got that answer. I remember one time I was interviewing an Arkansas game and fish biologist, and my dad always told me not to work for the government because you wouldn't make very much money. Literally, because I wanted to be a game warden at one time, and he was like, nah, you'd probably only make $40,000. I referenced that to a Game and Fish employee who looked at me and said, well, we make a little more than that.

And so, $48,000. Stuck in your own noodle, yeah. Yep, $48,000. The state with the lowest average game warden salary is North Carolina, which is $40,000. That's what I was thinking of. The state with the highest average game warden salary is Illinois at $88,000. So go work in Illinois.

What a discrepancy, man. It's because nobody wants to live in Illinois. What a wild discrepancy. I think I said the average was $55,000. It's $58,000. It's $58,000. That doesn't change the winner. Clay still gets to pick who the money goes to.

Yeah. Who are you going to, Clay? Hey, I'd like to give it to the Western Bear Foundation. Yeah, my friend Joe Condellis out in Wyoming, Western Bear Foundation. Nice. Good guys. Well done, Clay.

Yeah, yeah. Bye, Clay. Don't leave yet. Don't leave yet don't leave yet again you need to go enter for this giveaway that starts on October 18th

to come play with the crew also gonna win a bunch of swag and then if you have a question you think is good write into

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