The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 389: Calling Ducks With Koe Wetzel

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Steve Rinella talks with Koe Wetzel, Dre Rocha, John Park, Kylee Archer, Max Barta, Chester Floyd, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider. Topics discussed: Steve's face on a box of waterfowl ammo; Koe's advice to Chester: stop playing music; Dre's hoodie and the mystery of Tupac; the MeatEater Trivia t-shirt is finally here!; when your dog eats your rib; second degree baiting and ethics; robo deer; growing up in the chicken capital of the world; skinny Texas ducks; Waldorf and Ambrosia salads; living on a bus; when your manager is the life of the party; internships in construction; crying in Spanish and moving to Austin; variations of “Juke Box Hero”; is Lou Wetzel related to Koe?: melody first and notes on the phone; why it's "Hell Paso"; Koe performs "YellaBush Road" in The MeatEater Podcast studio; and more. Connect with Steve and MeatEater Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First Light. Go farther, stay longer. Are you seeing anything? Ah, there you go Now we wait What's that? I said now we wait Oh, on the left, on the left Oh shit Two in front. Okay, call it a day. That's great. Take it. You know, I won a state, the Texas State Duck Calling Competition whenever I was fucking 14 years old. You did? Fucking no.

Honestly, you didn't win a draft year neither. No, I did win that. I did win a competition. I did gonna say, you didn't win the trap shoot neither. No, I did win that. I did win a couple too. Damn Colin, come on. He's walking in the night. These two are gonna do it. Oh shit. I'm gonna be like, what the fuck are they doing?

They're turning. They're traveling that creek. Take them, take them, take them. Take him. What the fuck? Are you kidding me, bro? Let me see. You like that pose? This motherfucker has his face on the goddamn box of the fucking shell.

This is shit, man. This motherfucker has his face on the goddamn box of the fucking shells he's shooting. I'll keep shooting these 20 gauge when you got your bismuth fucking face on the box. That's why I'm trying to hand you that gun. Are you kidding me? That's pretty badass. That's not a neat shot. all right we're gonna change we're gonna change the program we're just gonna say shoot we're not gonna do callsies thank god because you guys are fucking this up too bad we're gonna go i think honestly i think it's these goddamn vanilla shells we're shooting. Meat-eater shells. Are you fucking kidding me?

Dude, I hand-kiss every one of them bullets, man. I fucking bet you did. If these were black clouds, we'd have a limit. We'd be back at the house. I'd already had them fried up with a fucking bucket of bacon. I'd give them a little kiss and put him in that box. Oh my goodness. You know, I shot one of them and look what happened.

If this is an ad, fucking don't shoot these shells. Check, check, one, two. There you go. All right, let's go around. Let's do some quick introductions. I'll do an introduction. Joined today by musician Coe Wetzel. Hey, I'm Coe.

Tell them a little about yourself. Man, yeah, I play music. You know who else plays music? Who's that? Chester next to you. Really? A dabble man. A dabble man.

I dabble. Not even close to the scale of what you guys are doing. I want to lay out a scenario for you and then we'll get on with our introductions. I want you to muster up a piece of advice. Okay. Chester learned how to play guitar a couple years ago because he wanted to be able to serenade his wife at their wedding yeah okay one thing led to another and we did a live show and chester got up and warmed up the crowd with some singing mediocre like then mediocre thing i'm just laying out the facts dude then there's a band there's a there's a musician we've had on

from the band Trampled by Turtles, and they have invited Chester down to Atlanta to open on, what's the date? December 1st. So I keep forgetting, six days before the anniversary of Pearl Harbor.

At the Buckhead Theater. So he's going to go down, his second ever, like, right? And he's going to go down and open, and he needs to do a set for how many people? How big is that place? It's not huge, but big enough for me. I think 1,500 people. I think we almost played Buckhead one time.

We were supposed to. Yeah, we were supposed to. Then COVID hit and kind of fucked everything up. So what's your advice? Give Chester a great piece of advice. Stop playing music. You know, it's a lot of fun, man. It's just the grind of it is really hard.

Unless you're like super, super, super passionate about it. Just stay married and, you married and help out some kids. No, he just did that. Oh, did you? Early. Yeah, it came early. He's not even supposed to be here yet. Oh, really?

Yeah. And he's like old. Yeah. Benjamin Button. No, man, I just like playing music. I do not see myself making a career out of it so you know just once you get a once in a lifetime opportunity to open up for somebody i've trampled was a trampling turtles trampled by turtles trampled bluegrass outfit my dad calls them uh stampeding turtles

uh so there's your advice jesterester. Stop. Just stop. Give up. All right. Also joined today by Max Barta. Good morning. I can't remember. Not related to Tread Barta? Not even spelled the same way. No, spelled the same way, but not related to Tread Barta. Phil.

Phil got a little testy this morning I don't want to Well here's a peek behind the curtain I mix audio for a living And they put me by the front door And everyone walks in And catches up Talks about their weekend What they're having for dinner that night

And I can't hear a god damn thing Corinne JP Tell everybody what you do JP Is this my mic? and I can't hear a goddamn thing. Corinne. JP. Tell everybody what you do, JP. Is this my mic? Yeah, yeah. You guys are sharing. Sweet.

So I do video and stuff for Co. I'm kind of a creative director sometimes. Done a few music videos. Tour with the guy. We're just a big family and um are you from a music background um well a little bit my dad's a songwriter and uh so i kind of grew up around it um and so i guess i just naturally kind of came i don't know how i got into it but i just did it just kind of worked out that way. His dad wrote probably one of the most famous wedding songs,

I would think, for like father and daughter dances. You look wonderful tonight. I loved her first. I held her first. He did. That's cool. Anytime someone figures it out, Dre will just bring it up. That's cool. Really? Yeah. I've had to... Anytime someone figures it out, Dre will just bring it up.

I didn't say anything. You heard it was good? If the room's quiet, I'll bust that one out real quick. Yeah, his dad wrote that song. And it's like 50-50. Someone will either be like, Oh, I love that song, and they'll be like, I don't know. That's cool. But yeah. Kylie Archer. Is this your first time on the show, Kylie?

I think second, but the first one was just a regular with all of us, just our staff. So first time with guests. Kylie's just a man off the street because she's a Cole Wetzel fan. Nice. So we thought we should bring down someone who's been at the concerts. Yep. I appreciate it. Do you have any critiques for how he could do a better concert?

No. No. You liked everything about it. Was it like the restrooms? Everything was great. Pretty easy, I would walk out of this fucking room. No, we were in San Antonio. We were at the Cowboy Hall?

Cowboy. Cowboy Dance Hall, yeah. Yes. There was a Santa getting a tattoo. I just like that, I remember so vaguely. That was Reed Southall. Me and him, we did a two-week acoustic tour. Yep. Yeah, we have a guy that travels around and tattoos us and stuff.

And we were sitting there like, I think it'd be awesome if Santa Claus was getting his ass tatted on stage, you know, while we're up here singing. And it was good. It was fun. Mrs. Claus probably wasn't too happy, but whatever. She could help. And Dre, I don't know your last name, Dre. Rocha.

How do you spell it? Rocha? R-O-C-H-A. Yes, sir. That's easy. Yep. Now, what's up with, tell everybody what you do, and then explain why your hoodie.

All right. We'll start with what I do. I'm Dre. I'm coach tour manager. do it then explain why uh your your hoodie all right we'll start with what i do uh i'm jerry i'm coach tour manager i've been with him for five six years or so i was his drummer at one point for three or four years and then made the transition into tour manager and you guys knew each other back in high school yeah you guys hunted ducks in high school yeah and you bought what kind of ammo did you guys buy? Winchester experts, baby.

Them 1299s at Walmart at the bar on my mom's debit card. What could we afford, honestly? Yeah, but we've been buddies for a long time and we've been working together even longer. So like JP said,

just one big family. We travel around the world together and have a lot of fun doing it. And you're the guy that collects the money. I do. I do. At the end of the night, sometimes before the even show starts, hopefully we can have a lot of fun doing it. And you're the guy that collects the money. I do. I do. At the end of the night.

Sometimes before the show starts, hopefully, so we can have a little more fun. But, yeah, that's part of the job, one of the many things for sure. And you've got a Tupac hoodie. I do. Now, is it definitively established who shot him? No. They say it was Suge Knight, but nobody.

I've watched a million documentaries and still. I'm obsessed with, like, that Biggie Tupac thing that happened. And I mean, I've watched the movies and documentaries to listen to the albums all the way through. And they say it was the LAPD. I mean, I don't know. So there's still a question mark lingers over. Yeah. I still think about it sometimes.

He goes to bed thinking about it. Every night. Did you guys have fun duck hunting yesterday? We had a blast. It was great, man. That was a lot of fun, I thought. Like I was telling you, the way just how everything was laid out, the snow, not being able to see them until they got right in our face.

And my magnificent duck calling skills brought a lot of men, you know. You were shooting good, calling good. Shooting good, man. State champion, duck caller, Texas State champion.

State champion. Oh. Oh, hang tight now because we got to make a couple announcements. All right. Just enjoy your coffee.

Sweet. I didn't even know we were having this. Are trivia shirts available now? Hey. I mean, I guess I knew about it then I kind of forgot about it. What the hell was the holdup? I don't even know where you're having this. Are trivia shirts available now? Hey. I mean, I guess I knew about it, then I kind of forgot about it. What the hell is the holdup?

I don't know. So the trivia shirt where it's a squirrel riding a sucker with a flag that says, Game on, suckers. You get it? It's a squirrel riding a sucker. It's so good. Game on, suckers. It's right there in the corner.

Yeah, that's what it said. Yep. The media trivia shirt, Game on, suckers. Is it, the corner. The Meteor Trivia shirt. Game On, suckers. Is it like available, available or is it a limited number? No, it's available today. I mean, there is like a limited number but it's not like really, really, really

limited, but it's really limited. Oh, hey, check this out. Coe, just so you understand, guys write in, people write in, and now and then it's something that's interesting. So we share it. You can picture how this goes. Yeah, of course.

Okay, this guy had a, a guy wrote in. He had something called a thoracic syndrome. This plays into a lot of things. It plays into dogs, plays into bones, cooking. It hits a lot of things that are of interest to this show. He has something called thoracic syndrome. Pretty common deal. The fix is to go in and remove the person's top rib.

Because in many cases, the two top ribs are impinging on the blood vessels and nerve endings in that area. The surgery went a little sideways. The surgeon actually cut his frenetic nerve. So he wound up on some heavy-duty painkillers for a while, but he had asked for his rib back. Okay?

I already know where this is going. You read the headline, my dog ate my rib, and you're kind of like not buying it. But hear him out. After reading it, I believe that this dog ate my rib, and you're kind of like not buying it. But hear him out. After reading it, I believe that this dog ate his rib. He wants the rib back.

He doesn't anticipate, because he says he's going to make some jewelry or some shit out of it just to be like, check that out, it's my rib. Pardon me. Oh, for sure. We had a guy sitting in the chair I'm sitting in right now that had his own amputated arm Euro mounted.

He can walk around his own arm. I mean, everybody does. But what I should say is he could walk around without his arm or bring it with him. So he's got this rib and it comes back to him in a presumably alcohol. It comes back to him in a fluid and he says he was expecting it all to be cleaned up, but it's not clean. It's still got a lot of meat on it. No way.

Later, he wants to dry it out so he can scrape it up and puts it in his oven. Okay? You're not bullshitting me. This isn't some stupid joke. We don't traffic and that kind of stuff. Lives with his mom and dad. Forgot to mention that. He puts it in the oven to dry it out

so he can scrape it clean. And he says, when his parents came home, they thought it smelled good in the house and asked what was cooking. He showed them the rib. They weren't that happy. But he said after a little scraping, it came out bright white. At one point, as he's cleaning it, he leaves it on the counter and his dog got it. It's like Dahmer.

Gone now. Oh, goodness. How old was this guy? 18. 18? Nashville, Tennessee. Oh, that also kind of brings it home, don't it?

No, no, no. You got to get him out to a show. Yeah, for sure. I know, but you'd want to have him bring his rib, but he can't. Ko, would you do something like that? No.

Honestly, I'll go with spirits, depending on how drunk I was, probably. So, yeah. I think that's exactly the type of thing that you would do. Another guy rolled in with an ethics question. This is a good one. I live in Washington State. There's two Washington things coming up here. Lives in Washington State where I'm lucky enough to have many acres of state, BLM, and DNR property very close to my home.

Recently, I was scouting a piece of public land and came across multiple illegal bait sites for black-tailed deer. This gentleman is very liberal with uppercase letters. So super liberal. Is that what that means? No, I mean, he uses uppercase letters a lot where they don't belong. Oh, okay. There's a thing, and I want to do a seminar at it

at this company. There's a thing where people think that if you're writing like black bear, you uppercase black bear you'd only uppercase english sparrow the e would be uppercase because english is a proper noun but you'll see where people like bighorn sheep and they capitalize it yeah just kills me anyhow uppercase black tail deer uh multiple legal bait sites for black tail deered deer. We have both a gallon limit and proximity limit of base stations in my state. They got salt licks and feeders, okay, and he makes a note of it. Here's his question.

Knowing that someone else is illegally baiting the area, does that make it unethical for him to hunt that area? Ethical? Unethical? I would say no. Yeah, I'd say no. I think if he were hunting the actual bait stations, that's a no-no.

Get away from there. I mean, you didn't set those up. Yeah, but try explaining that to a game warden or something. This isn't mine. We've heard of people getting busted for not realizing that they're hunting where someone's been baiting waterfowl.

They just think it's like a great spot and ducks are pouring in and then it's baited and no one cares to hear you talk about whether or not you did it, knew about it, whatever. You are doing it. You're hunting over bait and that's it so if he's talking about ethics let's say you have a spot you hunt and that's where you hunt and you go there before work and some guy comes and makes an illegal

bait pile so you're supposed to like not hunt now of course not yeah no but a game warden might not want to hear a whole lot about who did what and you didn't do it, but you're just sitting there shooting deer. I would just call the authorities and let them know and be like, I don't want to stop hunting, so I'm hunting little ways away from these. But heads up, there's some illegal bait piles out there. Yeah, that's probably the right thing to do there. Was this on public? I might have missed that. It's on public.

And he's even saying, is it wrong for me to hunt someone else's bait site? I feel like he's already hunting the bait site. Is he already hunting it? That email came from the stand? That sounds like a master plan. I think he's confusing ethical with legally prudent. Ethics and legal prudent. Ethical, situationally, I would say,

yeah, you can't be... Someone else doing something illegal shouldn't make it that you can't go about your business, but at the same time, no one's going to care about your version of the story when you get caught sitting over in a legal bait station. That was easy. Now, here's another one.

A guy's wondering... Okay. A guy wrote in kind of bent out of shape about how he was treated by some game wardens. He was driving home, he's in Washington, from an unsuccessful hunting trip with his wife and kids. It was after dark. We drove up on a good-sized buck

standing perfectly still a few feet off the road. I stopped so we can look at it. It looks very real. And he did that like Trump where all the letters are uppercase. V-E-R-Y. Very real. But it's standing so still my wife and I debate whether it's a decoy. I get out of my truck and throw a small rock toward it trying to get it to move.

As I do it turns its head. I'm convinced it's real. Suddenly I'm blinded by a spotlight from behind me. I hear a voice yell, keep it moving. I add that inflection. But there's an exclamation point. So I was trying to bring it home. Keep it moving.

I look around, confused at first, and suddenly realize it's a robotic deer. And there's a game warden controlling it, trying to catch people shooting after dark i relayed this to my wife and after a few more seconds i hear again more angrily keep it moving get out of here i get in my truck and keep driving around a corner about 100 yards away i see a second fishing game rig i stop and roll down my window the agent confirms that it is a decoy and he shows me the controller he uses to make it move. I guess I have two questions. Do you have any insight into the

legality of this practice? Lots of it. Very common practice. Corinne, if you go back into, there's a deep cut. Get that reference? Deep cut? There's a deep cut where, of this show show where we had on a head warden in Idaho named Eric Crawford. You want to do a quick scan here?

Yeah. Eric Crawford, and he laid out many adventures using robo-deer and robo-turkeys and lays out all the legality and all the entrapment stuff. Oh, is that episode 52? Real deep cut. Yeah. Wow. What was it called? That's like way back when we didn't really have good titles for the shows.

Sorry. It just says Upper Bitterroot, Montana. So it's just like a place name. Hey, asshole. Yeah, really. It was like you, Yanni, and Remy. Yeah, me and Yanni were like six. We're six.

We get into the whole robo-dude. No, it's been litigated so much. It's definitely not entrapment because it is a very common practice. And he explains why it's not entrapment. Isn't that kind of like with undercover cops? Like if you're just masquerading as a drug dealer or seller, it's like somebody could be in your place who wasn't actually undercover. So it's like hopefully driving down the road when it's pitch-ass dark, you know that shooting

light's over. You know what, as i recollect um it's one of my first memories like you have your first memories around six core memories yeah one of my core memories is that game warden on that episode long ago explaining that the entrapment question, they don't use booner-sized deer. Oh, okay. Like, you can't put a 200-inch whitetail on the side of the road because the judge will be like, well, yeah, but. It can't be that bad. I remember him explaining that.

It's got to be like, you definitely would want it, but it's not so crazy that it would bring about, yeah, it's been heavily litigated. It's not so insane that a normal person wouldn't be able to resist the urge to shoot it in the dark. You know? Yeah, he lays all that out. So I

suggest this listener go look on that. Then he wants me to opine on the behavior of the game ward. Maybe I'm overreacting, but it soured the experience quite a bit. If I'm on public land, I should be able to stop and look at animals whenever and wherever I want. And I don't like the idea of the woods

being filled with robotic deer. Filled with robotic deer? There's one there. There's one on the side of the road. For like a couple of hours. I don't think his legs moved, just his head probably. I don't know that the woods are filled with robots here. But the law enforcement yelling at me late at night just felt him a little off.

I agree. Why do you got to be like, I think it seems to be like polite as shit. Like here's a guy, he's like, oh, there's deer. He's not shooting at it. You think he'd be like,

oh, hey partner. Um, I know this is confusing as hell, but that's a robotic deer. We're trying to catch poachers. If you don't mind. Move along.

Yeah. Like, it's like, I don't know. Why get testy? That warden was, he was, he was there to get somebody for sure.

I just don't see why he'd get testy. I like how he got out and picked up a couple rocks and just started throwing them at him. Just going to make sure the deer's okay. I have one friend that stopped to look at a robo-deer one time and they're looking out the window and all

of a sudden scared the shit out of him because someone's tapping on the other window. Oh no. And they just asked him to move on but then he'd get testy yelling at him through a bullhorn.

He's probably just waiting for someone to come by. He's probably just like gotta catch someone soon. Yeah, he might be. And he might have had it out

for some nefarious folks that he knew were going to be rolling down that road any minute now. Singling someone out too. But still, you could just be real

just like use your bedroom voice. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Hey, keep it moving. You might creep the guy out there. Whoa.

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onxmaps.com slash meet. onxmaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the onx club, y'all. Alright, so you guys yesterday this question for Coe and Dre. I want to get back to when you guys were youngsters. You guys grew up in a, I only caught a portion

of this. You guys grew up in a i only caught a portion of this you guys grew up in a um chicken raisin area yeah chicken capital of the world pittsburgh texas at one point i don't know they ended up selling the tyson now yeah they got yeah they got bought up by tyson back whenever probably we were middle school or high school but yeah Pilgrim's chicken uh Bo Pilgrim he's from Pittsburgh um a lot of the a lot of the chicken houses I mean pretty much all of our friends own chicken houses you know so so they produce chicken for this chicken producing outfit yeah and just you know distributed all over the world and shit. But, uh...

Chick-fil-A. Yeah. Yeah. You come into Pittsburgh and you smell chicken shit. You know, like... You like that smell. Oh, I love it.

You know, it's the best. It doesn't bother me either. No, but that's the deal. Like, you live there your whole life. You're like, oh, it's just another day. Everybody else comes in like, what the fuck is going on

in this town, you know? I get that with the dairy farms in Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, same thing. Sure. Yeah, but that gets like an, well, all that, too much of that shit all gets that ammonia smell, man.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I kind of like it, though. You go back and you're like, I'm home. Yeah. And you found some work in the chicken business. A little bit. Like assassination work, you were explaining? Yeah, my granddaddy, he worked, like, he was, like, electrician, so he would go whenever either they were tearing down or building new one, he would go in and run all the electricity.

And then whenever they would take out all the chickens, you know, there'd be 10 or 15 of them left that had, you know, a broke foot or, you know, we would just, he would take us to go pick up dead chickens. And then we'd get there and there'd be a couple of them alive. And he's like, go have at it. So me and my buddies would just go around and I don't know. And it's such a normal thing. Like you, it wouldn't be like, we got a buddy that we both grew up with, Lee McCollum. We'd go to his dad's to get some money.

Cause we needed some money for something. And he'd go, Hey boys, come over here. Pick up a couple of dead chickens. Oh yeah. I'll needed some money for something. And he'd go, hey, boys, come over here, pick up a couple dead chickens. 50 cents. Oh, yeah, I'll give you boys 20 bucks. We're like, all right. It was just kind of normal growing up. It was a box of shells.

20 bucks to clean out the dead chickens. You bet. Or something, you know, whatever it was that day. Or move these bags from here to there, whatever. But it was just normal. I mean, we ate a lot of chicken growing up. That's what I was going to ask the next question. Even though you're living around that and smelling that, you're still eating those chickens.

And most people would be like, oh, you know, I could never do it after seeing all that. But, I don't know. It doesn't bother me. I see a lot worse, I guess. Eat a lot worse. How do you guys cook ducks? We just breast them out. I cut them into little nuggets and I fry them up.

Fry them how? Just batter them and throw them in a little bit of oil, man. So you make a fried wild duck, like a fried duck strip. Yeah, it's like a chicken fried duck. I've grilled them. I've put them on the grill before and ate them like, put them like tacos. Yeah, I'd like to have them like you're talking about. I've never had them that way.

I've never saw that. I've never had a drum before. Never had it before. But like we said, y'all have, I've never seen that much way either. I've never saw that. Like, I've never had a drum before. Never had it before. But like we said, like, y'all have, I've never seen that much fat on a duck before. So back home, I think we talked about it. Like, I think by the time they get to Texas, they're so wore out. Like, they've already set off on the fat. They're stressed out.

Half-inch of damn fat on them yesterday, you know. So I think if we did have birds like that, we probably would cook them that way. But it's not a whole lot of fat on them yesterday you know so i think if we if we did have birds like that we probably would cook them that way but it's not a whole lot of a lot of fat i hunted last winter down not in texas but down in south louisiana and i couldn't believe the birds weren't like they are no where they got all that fat but when we get them when we get ducks so our youth duck season is it's like i think late september yeah late september is youth duck season and at that point there's nothing i mean it's like paper mache their skin full of pin feathers no fat real thin skin and you just breath you just breath them and take the thighs

by now though like you said man they got three-eighths of an inch it's crazy just beautiful fat on them and so at that point i like to cook them like that because i like the fat on that shit hey steve for our listeners can you let them know what like that is like how you cut that out oh what what cole's referring to is i actually stole it i stole the idea from when I was in, I went to university, Montana and for some reason they came out with a university, Montana wild game cookbook. Cause some guy that ran the cafeteria or something was into, I don't know.

I don't never understood it, but I had the book and I made some things out of it. There was like a rolled meatloaf of spinach and pine nuts and shit in it that I liked a lot. Then there was a, a uh a way that he liked to cut his ducks and you pluck the duck you don't pluck the back you pluck the breast kind of down to where his back kind of squares off now you don't need to go all the way to the spine but you pluck the side down and pluck the, the, the drumstick down.

Then you go to like breast it out, but you're taking the breast up with the skin on it. And then you go down and pop his ball joint at the head of his femur. And you wind up with a breath. This is an, all of our cookbooks. We always show it. You wind up with a breast with the skin on it, the thigh and drums, the drummy with the skin all the way around it. And they're held together by the skin. And it's a beautiful little package. People that look at it, like want to eat that shit

when you get it cleaned up nice. Beautiful. And that's how I always, always like ducks. This time you have a lot of fat. I clean them one way and I cook them one way. You said, what are you, you say you pan serum and then you throw them in the oven? I get, I turn my oven on 400. I get a pan ripping hot, like a cast iron, whatever.

Cast iron pan, let's say, ripping hot. A little bit of oil on it. Put salt and pepper on both sides. And I put it skin down on that pan. And maybe five, four or five minutes or whatever. Just, I keep checking it. And when it's golden crispy, I flip them skin side up and stick them in my oven, and I put them in my oven not even nowhere near 10 minutes.

You said you cook them pretty rare, right? Mm-hmm. Rare in the middle, crispy fat. Then we serve it with like last night. Well, this summer my kids made made They picked a bunch of raspberries And they make a recipe Which is basically raspberries And shit loads of sugar

And they call it ice cream topping It's pretty good though Anyways We served that Stuff they made with the ducks last night Nice Everybody likes ducks Like chutneys

Chutneys are good I was trying to explain chutneys to my kids last night is it like a glaze it's just like a glaze no i just put just yeah just spread it out a little bit a little bit on it sweet is good but it's good you know i was trying to explain chutney i was telling was like a grown-up jelly no little cinnamon yeah i'm about to try that like in like like in these steaks we fry everything so sure fried so i don't think i don't think enough people that we grew up hunting with knew how to cook it that way. That's why we would always cut the breast out and fry it.

I've never even heard of that. So when you said that, we were like, that sounds great. And then you explained it. Definitely going to have to try it. I'm sending three home with you. I brought them to work today. Did you? Yeah.

Doug's from yesterday. He's already got them. We'll put them on the air fryer on the bus. Man, I really wish my kids hadn't gotten sick because I was looking forward to having you guys for dinner

and cooking a bunch of ducks last night. No worries. We'll reschedule. That's a good way to eat ducks. I would do that. And then when I was little, we had them,

we would sometimes breast them out and fry them in a deep fryer. But the main way is we would pluck the whole thing and then my mom had cut up apples and whatnot and stuff them put foil over it put them in the oven take the foil off in the end we ate a lot of ducks that way especially wood ducks stuff with like apples and what else did she put in there? Walnuts, raisins. Never citrus. Remember Waldorf?

Remember that salad that if you went to a church potluck when you were a kid, it'd be the main thing everybody brought? It'd be like mayo and jello or something. Apples and mayo. And raisins. You know what I'm talking about? It's like marshmallow, isn't it?

I thought it was like green and cherry jello with freaking mayo and apples. When you went down to Twin Lake United Methodist Church for a potluck, there was like some things that were probably going to be there. A lot of people were going to bring deviled eggs.

A lot of people were going to bring jello with marshmallows and cut-up grapes in it. And a lot of people were going to bring apples smothered in mayo with walnuts and raisins. So my mom would basically make a Waldorf salad minus the mayo,

and it was good, and stuffed the duck with it. We had a lot of ducks like that. Marshmallow. No, no no no no i don't know where this marshmallow thing ambrosia yeah that was a very popular dish when i was a kid, man. It was just coming off of like, like my grandma Rose would make a dish that I still don't understand. It was Jell-O. And in the Jell-O was minced up celery and walnuts. Interesting.

I don't understand. Like national lampoon. Like the cat gibbons and shit or, inside the Jell-O. So what the hell were we talking about? Oh, eating ducks. We were talking about stuffing that with. Well, Dre, when you talk about air frying a duck, I'm still not checked out.

What does that even mean? I mean, I'm a big fan of the air fryer just because on the bus we don't have an oven. Oh, because you've got to live on a bus. Yeah, we live on a bus. Yeah. Yeah, we live on the bus. But I've got so used to it that I bought one for the house, and now anything you can cook in the oven or smaller stuff, I'll buy like a—I cooked a steak in it the other day.

It wasn't bad. And then I cooked chickens, the best chicken I ever made. I cooked it in the air fryer. Okay. I mean, you can do anything in there. It's easy. Salt, pepper, throw it in there, however, the heat chicken I ever made. I cooked it in the air fryer. You can do anything in there. It's easy. Salt, pepper, throw it in there. However, the heat, and then boom.

You ever put a piece of deer meat in there? Not yet. Not in the air fryer? Not yet. You could. I'm not fully convinced on the air fryer yet. It's misleading. It's not a fryer.

It's just a little oven. Just a little bitty oven that heats up super quick. Yeah, it's like a little convection oven, right? It's got air going. But for me, all of us, it's perfect. Good marketing. Air fryer sounds better. I got one. I should have called. We should have had Dave Wilms on

to ask Dave Wilms this question. Dave Wilms is a lawyer buddy of ours. He's like a real specialist in fishing game law. Here's a great question we encountered yesterday. These boys live on a tour bus. So you clean ducks, right? And to transport ducks, they're supposed to have a head or a fully

feathered head or a wing still attached but they live and eat on the bus so right so here you are crossing state lines but your ducks are all cleaned out it'd be a great case if you got caught and busted and then got exonerated based off the fact that you live on the bus and it is your house it's home honestly it's like where you brought it to where you plan on eating it but that thing just happens to move and added argument Coe his name is legally on the bus like the the titles and stuff so like he like, he could drive the bus. Not that we would ever want that situation.

But it's like a camper. You buy an RV. It's under your name. You can drive it because you are the owner and you're on the title of that vehicle. You would win that case hands down. Similarly, let's say you move. So you take your freezer and put it in a moving truck and move it across state lines. No one's going to bust you for moving waterfowl across state lines. How often do you think your buddy

that's an attorney deals with those cases where there's two sides to it? We bring up a lot of really esoteric violations to him and he'll point out that no one, I don't want to put words in Daveave's mouth but basically these aren't commonly used things but when you've done something real bad and they want to really cook the books on you so that when you plea it down you're still screwed then they start coming in with all the like esoteric oh and you did this and you did that and you did this you that and then you got like 12 counts.

Yeah, all of a sudden your inspection's out when you had ducks. Yeah, and then he said that's when a lot of that stuff gets utilized is you've been up to something no good, and they really just stack the violation. Yeah, then you get the violation stacked on you. How'd you guys meet? Because I heard he met you because he wanted to meet you because you partied a lot. Well, it was like, yeah, so I had a bunch of buddies that were.

So towns in East Texas, they're so close to each other, you know, and pretty much everybody knows each other. And usually whenever Pittsburgh would go to a Mount Pleasant or Mount Pleasant would go to Pittsburgh. If you went outside of your town, you're more or less going to get into a fight in high school, you know. And I was gone for the weekend or something, and he came down to Pittsburgh with a bunch of his boys, and my buddy was throwing a party. And one of his buddies was about to fight one of my buddies,

and Drake came up to some of my guys. He's like, hey, just to let you all know, some shit's about to go down. Just a little heads up. I appreciate it. Sure as shit did. And they come back to school. My mother, they're like, dude, you got to be just Cat Dre. He's cool as fuck.

You know, he told us about, you know, what was about to go down. And he's a dog, man. I was like, hell yeah. And so we got, just after that, we got to start hanging out, man. And he liked to hunt. We all hunted together. And you guys were into music and hunting at that time. No.

I remember seeing another reason. This was when either into MySpace or early Facebook. Whenever you shot ducks at the time, you'd be like four wood ducks. And a gray duck, right? You'd post it every Saturday because, you know, we have school. But if you're Friday, you wake up Saturday, go duck hunting. His buddies would always have the post of all the ducks. And I was like, man, these guys.

Man, I got to hunt those guys. They party. They get up. They kill ducks. And I was like, I got to hang out with these guys. And, man, until today, like, me and him were one of those guys. I'm talking about Taylor. We were both in his wedding a couple months ago.

Like, we still all hunt together. Once a year, we go down to Amarillo and hunt with our buddy Toby. And, I mean, it's just pretty cool how we all started from duck hunting. We still all hunt together. Once a year, we go down to Amarillo and hunt with our buddy Toby. It's just pretty cool how we all started from duck hunting. 10, 15 years later, here we are. Duck hunting in my space. That's right. Whichever one it was at the time.

I remember Tom was one of my friends. What was a typical duck hunting scenario for you guys back then? Usually walk about a mile or two in waders, in mud up to your knees. Into what? Just, we would hunt like flooded fields. Slews? Yeah, slews, a bunch of slews. You know, not a whole lot of sand, like flooded timber,

but... When we found it, we'd definitely get into it. Yeah, whenever we did have flooded timber, we'd get into it, but I mean, we would go, we'd hunt lakes a lot as well because there's so many lakes around East Texas. I mean, we would get done with the football game on Friday night, get all the gear, put it in the boat, drive out to the spot because, you know, everybody wanted to get there like 3 or 4 in the morning. And we would put out our spread, you know, and sleep in the boat overnight and then wake up Saturday morning so people wouldn't get into our spread. Sure.

So you guys were dedicated. Oh, dude, we were mad at them back then. You know, like we're not as mad now as we were back then. But yeah, we were, it was hardcore. It was kind of, you know, you duck hunt in the morning and then go sit in a deer stand during the evening. Did your dad hunt? Yeah.

Yeah. Big, big hunter, man. He got you into it? Yeah, not so much duck hunting, but deer hunting for sure. Yeah, he's a big deer hunter. Yeah, man. Always been about it.

I'll tell you, you were like, so your mom doesn't like hunting? It's not that she doesn't like hunting, it's just like she just doesn't hunt. She's more like go to the beach and drink a couple of pina coladas, you know.

Sure, yeah. Are your mom and dad still together? Yeah, they're still together. And where do they live? Same place? Yeah, so I have a construction company up in Lubbock that my dad runs. So he moves back and forth from Lubbock to Pittsburgh, back in East Texas. And my mom still works for the school in Pittsburgh.

And you've hunted Sandhill cranes up out of Lubbock. Yeah. You like that? Yeah, it's a good time. Right by the sky. Yeah. Do you fish much? Yeah, I do a lot of fishing, man.

A lot of fishing. We did, we were just up here, actually, I was telling Karim, we did, we were supposed to fish the Gallatin, but I think we ended up fishing the Madison because then you all have the big flood, the big flood, right, the runoff. So the water was kind of shitty. I mean, we caught some good browns.

But, yeah, that was, what, two months ago, two or three months ago? It was a few months ago, yeah. Were you guys fly fishing? Yeah, fly fishing. Did you like that or did you find it a little a feat? No, I love fly fishing. I've been doing it for, I got into it probably five or six years ago. I'm still nowhere near where I'd like to be on it,

but fly fishing is just not the biggest thing in Texas. It's more about largemouth bass and going know going off into the cold gulf and uh stuff like that so you know you know you should do down in texas man i should introduce you you should go out with uh you should go out fishing uh redfish and and trout with jt van zant you ever met him you guys probably hit it off absolutely man. Absolutely. Where's he out of? He fishes out of Rockport. Rockport, yeah. One of my guitar players, his wife, their family owns, I don't know if they own a house. Me and them own a place.

I know they got a boat down there. Yeah, I think they have a place down there, yeah. Close to Rockport, but yeah, Stan could fish out there. Yeah, JT's fun to be out in the water with because he's like a real student of the water. He's one of those guys that knows everything about fishing like that yeah he um doesn't he have gills too yeah he's got cute no he's very good fisherman and uh he's like a real cheerleader for the area but then he gets a couple cocktails and then he he uh gets into like what's not right about the area so you

get a real well you get all the love you get You get all the love, and in the evening, you get all the fear, man. So you get the full package of the Gulf Coast. You get all the things to celebrate and all the things to be worried about. So it's a complete tour hanging out there. Yeah, I like this dude already. Hey, did you know, Chester, that... Remember we had Cody from Whiskey Myers? Yep.

These guys are talking about him sending out like a, what's he got a new, he's got a new lure? Yeah, he's got a, I can't remember what it's called. Yeah,

he's got a bunch of top water frogs and he sent a bunch of shit over to the house the other day. He got a box full of them. Yeah, he's a, he's a big time, he's a big hunter and fisher,

but he, he spends a lot of time on the water. And yeah, he just came out with a prototype. It's actually really good. I was telling you, I was just throwing it in my pool and, you know, working it. I was like, damn, Cody, it's a pretty good frog. Those guys sponsor some elite bass guys or a elite bass guy, Whiskey Myers, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, they fish a lot with jason

khan on on fork same guy we uh we run around with too so yeah forks have you ever fished fork like fork in texas no oh dude it's the lake that's that's the hammer there bro when when did you when you were growing up and you like to hunt um tell me about how music became right like how it became more than i don't know no like how it became like holy shit you can do this for a living right yeah uh that was probably like i mean i guess around high school like i've been on stage since i was six doing what like a pageant kid yeah i don't know uh just like my mom she uh she toured around a little bit played like old opry houses and shit did she really with like with a live band she's singer yeah yeah she's singing her ass off man she sings better than me seriously oh yeah she kills it um

and so like i was a little shit-headed kid, running up and down the aisles while people were performing and, you know, annoying the band and shit. So, like, I was always around it. And then I got in high school, learned guitar and stuff, started writing a little bit. And I would play, like, you know, little bars around my hometown. But it was always, you know, it was never a thing I thought I would really pursue. And then I got into college, went to Tarleton State on a football scholarship, got up there and was like, damn, this sucks, you know, like I could be out playing and, you know, partying and living it up.

What position did you play? I was a linebacker. Yeah. Linebacker. And I was like, you know what, I'm not going to make it to the NFL. You just knew that. But I could get some free beer down the street, you know, and a case of free beer and sing a couple songs.

And I might get to kiss on a girl later on that night. So I was like, man, screw this. I'm out. So I dropped out of school. Actually, I didn't drop out. I got kicked out of school. And then they were like. There's a difference there. Big difference there.

They were like, you go to this. Like Big difference there They were like You go to this Like when you got kicked out I gotta You can't fire me I quit Okay this brings up a couple I had to go to A junior college

For a semester To get my grades back So I could come back So you started doing bad In grades Yeah and then So they put me on probation Had to go to a junior college

For a semester I walked in the classroom. I looked around. I was like, you know what? Screw this. I'm just not even going to do it. So that was it for college. That was it for college, and then we really hit it hard as far as gigging and stuff.

Like a couple years. Not frog gigging. Not frog gigging, no. Show gigging. Show gigging. Road dogs. They hit in a row all over Texas. And who's we?

Me and a couple of my buddies from back home. And then I think now I have two guys with me that have been with me for damn near 10 years, my guitar and bass player. And then Dre was actually playing drums for my cousin at the time. And then they started slowing down on gigs and stuff and I was needing a drummer and I was like, dude, you just want to come on the road with us? And he was like, hell yeah, let's do it. So we picked up. I pulled up to his house.

Actually, our buddy had an internship in Austin and they were paying all of his rent for a one bedroom apartment in Austin. And he was like, what was the internship? It was a construction, construction company. And he was like, you get an internship at a construction company that puts you up in an apartment. Oh yeah.

Texas is wild. It was part of the deal. It was kind of part of the deal. The instruction. Yeah. But, no, so he was like, man, why don't you come and live down with us in Austin for, you know, six or seven months? So I load up. I go pick up Dre, and I pull up to his house, and he's got his drum set and, like, a trash bag full of clothes.

And I'm like, is this everything you have? And he's like, yeah. He's got like tears rolling down his eyes he never left Mount Pleasant I was crying dude and we get on the road

and we hop on the edge you were crying about leaving home yeah I never left like my whole life born in that house not in the house

but the hospital but came home to that house and Coe was I thought he was so full of shit he was like dude really want to do this and we were like we're in the middle of recording Noise complaint i think which is the album that you

know kind of set everything off for for co and the guys and uh he was like let's we're moving to austin free rent one bedroom and it sounded like you mean you're gonna move because you're planning on moving in to the construction dudes yeah one of our best friends but we our thoughts were austin's like a bigger city. We live in a tiny town. We can get more people. There's music every day. Yeah, there's a couple booking agencies and managers. And we needed some kind of direction because we said, we're really going to do this.

Well, then he shows up at my house. And I'm like, oh, shit. I don't even have a suitcase. Like, I don't own a suitcase. I've never really left. And he picks me up. And we get in the truck. And like you said, I'm like tearing up.

Like texting my mom. Like, I think we're really leaving. And she's like, Daniel, don't leave. Oh, yeah. We went to Sao. I went to Sao at work. That's right. No, pay attention.

Yeah. Crying in Spanish. Remember that sound? But, yeah, like, I think we had enough money to get down to Austin. And, like, we're about to get on the interstate, and he's being real quiet. I was like, dude, what's wrong with you? He's like, nothing. It's going to be a lot, I promise.

So you guys weren't like packing down. You didn't pack down like all your, like you weren't moving, moving. No, I mean. Just going for a while. But like we didn't have a lot. We didn't have, I think we had like a bed. I had a couple suitcases and a couple guitars, and he had his set. A couple duck decoys.

Yes, a couple duck decoys, all our guns. And like I said, this is a one-bedroom, one-bathroom apartment. Looks like this. And, you know, we're not small men. We're pretty big dudes, and our buddy's just as big as we are. And so he would be gone at work all day or, and we would just sit there and kind of, you know,

whatever, waiting for a little bit of this noise, noise complaint money to hit. And finally it did. I think our first check was like 400 bucks and we went to top golf tonight and spent 350. So we're back to square one. We thought we were on top of the world

we're like all right next three months we'll eat sandwiches again i wrote some damn good songs in that apartment though so like did your uh so what did your so your mom was in the music business dad was in construction were they pissed when you failed out of college oh or dropped out yeah they were mad oh Oh yeah, absolutely. Did they tell you you can't be a musician? No, that was never a thing. They've always been

really supportive of, you know, once I actually wanted to pursue it and I was like, you know, this is something that I'm going to do,

they were really supportive of it. I really had that problem with them. It's kind of whatever I've always wanted to do, they've been really supportive. problem with them. It's kind of whatever I've always wanted to do. They've been really supportive.

That's good. Yeah. That's a hot tip for parents, man. I know, man. But, no, they're great. Yeah. I don't know. But like I always say, like, had I not done that,

I'd be back in East Texas working road construction, a couple kids. You think so? 100%. My mom, she wants a grandbaby so bad. My sister's getting married in December. I'm like, hey, as soon as this finalizes, let's get to work. We need some grandbabies.

I'm tired of this pressure on me. I'm the oldest. So my mom wants a grandbaby really bad. I'm like, probably got a couple of them running around out there, but I don't know about this. When you were, when you learned how to play guitar, like when I was a kid,

guys in my area, all the guys in my area that learned how to play guitar were learning because in order to play like two songs. Yeah. And they all learned the same.

Gordon Lightfoot and like a John Prine song. No, you'd learn how to play Fred Bear by Uncle Ted. Oh yeah, that's right. That'd be like a big one

you'd want to learn for. I'm trying to think what else, like just everybody would know how to play. That was kind of like, that inspired so many people to get into guitar.

Damn, what's that one song? Yeah, like at your age, what were you guys trying to learn how to play? I actually posted a picture not too long ago

on my set list from high school that I would go to bars and play. I'd play a three- or four-hour set, so I would play a lot of covers and then try to sneak in songs that I wrote or my cousins had wrote. That's a lot of songs, three, four hours? Oh, yeah. You play for an hour, you get like a 10-minute break, and you play for an hour.

It was hell. Make 50 bucks and free beer. I'm worried about playing for 45 minutes. Oh, yeah. But, like, looking back on it now, like, I can't remember half of those songs because, you know, we've been playing our music for so long now, and we hardly don't play covers anymore. Well, give me a for instance.

Oh. Like an early song that you loved to play. Oh, man. Friends in Low Places, you know? Oh, yeah. Just here, yeah. You were born in 92. Oh, right.

Yeah, for sure. I was like an old man when that song came out. I was washing dishes at Steiner's Point. Yeah, just like the crowd favorites, you know? Like, I don't know. Garth Brooks anything anything old George

did you say boy George no old George George Strait yeah not boy George no

Culture Club I'm trying to think of covers but we've covered funny you say that though back to the original thing about learning guys learning how to play

around the like two songs yeah I don't think most people pick up a guitar going this thing right here is going to change the rest of my life and i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna write my own songs play them record them people buy them and i'll make a living like i don't think most people i've thought about that before like that's not the intention i think most of us most guys including myself it was to pick up chicks or play at bonfires around like parties yeah Chester learned he was trying to

pick up his own wife I mean seriously funny you all mentioned Whiskey Myers the first song I ever learned was a Whiskey Myers song really? yeah

Broken Windows it was two chords C and E and I learned how to play it and to this day if Dre gets a guitar to his hand that's the only song

he plays 14 miles from home I can play 14 miles kind of yeah 14 miles it's got an A minor in there it's kind of hard for me but other a guitar at his hand, that's the only song he plays. 14 miles from home, I can play 14 miles, kind of. Yeah, 14 miles. It's got an A minor in there. It's kind of hard for me. But other than that, but seriously, I think that's what most people start doing it for. And like, for you, in your instance, like, now you get to go open a gig, which is a pretty

badass. That's awesome. Yeah, that's, I mean, that's good for you. That's cool. Yeah, and I know I've said this before, but like, I picked up that guitar being like, my number one goal is I just want to try and get through this song at my wedding. What song was it?

It was a Tyler Childers song. Lady May? Lady May. Nice. And then people, I didn't clarify. Oh, this is a good story. This. This is a good story.

My aunt and uncle were crying and people were crying and they're like, Dad, I cannot believe you wrote that. You should have kept going with it. No, dude. Chester had a songwriter version of Stolen Valor, man. I was like, I didn't write that. Thank you. I love that fact. I can't believe the song Chester wrote.

Yeah. I mean, there's a video. We have a video of it, which is pretty funny because there's like pan of the crowd a few times and people are like wiping their tears. Did it go viral on TikTok? No. There's another guy that did the same thing but to a different song then. Gotcha.

But I've seen it. He was like, I just learned how to play this song like last week. I just made a fly on the wall of the people leaving the wedding. Like, damn, he was fucking good. Such a great fucking song. I wonder what he's going through. I know he has. Who's Lady May?

His wife's name was Anna, but we'll go with it. Did you guys start bow hunting as kids or only later? Yeah, I started bow hunting when I was eight years old. What brought you into that? Just more opportunity? Yeah, my grand bow hunting when I was eight years old. Yeah. Because, like, what brought you into that?

Just more opportunity? Yeah, my granddad and dad, they, you know, they came up bow hunting, and it was an extra month of hunting, so got into it. I didn't kill my first deer with a bow until I was, like, probably 10 or 11. But, yeah, it was – I've just always been addicted to it like everything about it you know and then once i got into high school uh i kind of just went full archery like i'm not i hardly ever rifle hunt unless you know it's you know somebody wants me to or you know however it is but yeah i mostly just bow hunt now what about you dre i just got my first bow like

six months ago yeah i've been trying to get him into it for like five years and he just i said i thought about it i'm all my jp's like been bow hunting for what a couple years yeah well i started with the recurve so it's a little bit oh you did yeah jp's all natural yeah ever since i was a kid i've always shot rabbits and stuff. I never went for deer because it was just my dad didn't hunt a whole lot, so I didn't know how to do it at all. But yeah, I have a recurve bow and I love it. And then I was

like, you know what, this is a little too hard right now. So I went, you know, backtracked or I guess, I don't know, I got a Matthews and started shooting it last year and killed a doe and I was like this is really addicting. I got it. So fun.

You know, Chester used to make recurve bows. Really? He had his own bow company. Oh, that's sick. Chester's Bow Factory. Slice my finger with. I was looking at your thumb. I was like, are those stitches?

The other day with a shot of doe and with the recurve or a long bow I built. Oh, nice. Slice my finger. You know what song I keep thinking about, Chester, when I think about you and your guitar? It's that song, That one guitar just blew him away. I don't know if that's in my jukebox hero. Yeah, he bought a beat-up six-string.

That's a jukebox. Yeah, the second-hand store. Didn't know how to play it. I'm going to rewrite that about Chester. Coe, are you going to hire Steve to be a backup singer? Yeah, for sure. Someone should rewrite it about Chester, man. It would be so funny.

Imagine that article. Steve goes on tour with Coe Wetzel. I'll share it. Dude, you know what it is? It's Jukebox Hero. It's called Wedding Hero. And we rewrite the whole thing. It's Wedding Hero set to Jukebox hero it's it's called wedding hero and we rewrite the whole thing it's it's jukebox it's chest it's wedding hero set the jukebox hero and it's all about chester oh god that one guitar

he's a wedding hero there it is but she's got stars in her eyes yeah now he's got she's a wedding hero he's a wedding hero She's got stars in her eyes. Yeah, yeah. And there's that little bit like, tonight, what's going to happen tonight? I mean, I don't know what happened on your wedding night. I don't want to venture to guess. Hey, folks. Exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada.

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You're like living in this apartment, writing songs, doing covers, making 50 bucks. No. Is it like in the... I recently watched the Weird Al. Weird Al Yankovic did a spoof on music biographies, all the tropes from music biographies. And one of the things, I was reading an interview with him about making the movie, he's talking about when you're watching music biographies, like, all the major shit happens in one night. Like, they get an amazing gig, the record company guy comes backstage,

you know what I mean? And it's like in one night. Oh, you. It's like every, yeah. So how long did that play out? I mean, it couldn't have played out over an excruciating long period of time because you're not that old. Oh,

I mean, so we started hitting the road pretty hard like in 13, 12, 13, 14. And then,

like I said, I mean, we did that forever. Dre was actually, he was playing drums for us and booking our shows. And, what was your,

so we come up with a name for a book because we didn't have a book in Asia. And Dre made up a fake name to email bars and stuff. He was like, hey, I'm with Coetzel. What dates do y'all have? What was your name? Andy Waskers. Andy Waskers.

Andy Waskers. Because we were drinking so much whiskey at the time. We'd get drunk. We're like, you got any more of that Waskers? And so that became his nickname. So you would email as an individual. Yeah, you just, I mean, think about it. These bars are getting 1,000 kids that play guitar or want to come play the bar,

and they all promise that their hometown, they're from there, all my family will come out, and all the bar's interested in making money. I mean, they want to help the artists. But my thoughts are they've never heard of probably Coe Watson. If they have, they don't know anything about him. So on our website, I put booking agent, contacts, Andy Waskers, made an email. Still use the email to today. I'll send you an email sometime just so you can see Andy Waskers.

Still a signature. And he was W-A-S-K-E-R? What's W? No, yeah, yeah. W-H-A-S-e-r what's w no yeah yeah w-h-a-s like whiskey but waskers yeah i got i got you and i would just i had like this little copy and pasting that said hey i represent coetzo mandy uh you want to come play a show and sometimes you have to like i had to like like uh find like a happy medium because they were like i don't know who you are but where's your website where's your address this isn't legit but they but once we showed up and you know the crowd that's kind of when we started getting some momentum they were like damn and i'm pretty sure andy washington

went through the industry of actual legit people like who is this guy and then i'd meet these people and they're like that's you yeah like we pulled up the college stage show at time and it was like we hadn't put out no one compliant, but we were still pulling pretty good crowds. What's a good crowd in those days? I mean, 200, 300 people. Which video are you talking about? A bunch of drunk college kids. So it felt like 2,000, 3,000.

Oh, you bet. And a guy comes over and goes, hey, so where's Andy at? And I'm like, who? He's like, Andy West. Because I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like, i like right here and he's like aren't you the drummer and he's like yeah what's going on and so we tell him the story and we still laugh about it today whenever we get to see him but man chris fox from yeah but yeah it's back to what you were asking like so at the time we're living in this apartment i'm booking these shows but like when i when i say like and i've said this before like if we didn't book shows

or i didn't book shows we didn't have any money to do anything and that includes eating food and we like to eat food yeah so two or three days i would book a show and like in that show contract i would put most importantly a bottle of jack daniels food was pizza. It was like six of us traveling at the time. We didn't have a light guy. Now it's 30 of us traveling together. But at the time, it was six of us, one van, or my mom's car, his truck, whatever. So I would put a pizza or you have to supply dinner. We didn't care if it was McDonald's or Pizza Hut.

It was part of it. So we started gaining attraction that way, and it kind of snowballed from there. What's that, Carly, we've dealt with it. Like what's that, when you do live shows, there's the, what's it called? Yeah, the writers. I just had to do that. Really? What's in your writer then?

It's not much. Let me make one and send it to you. You can send it to them. Okay. You can show up, they'll have a hotel for you and six boxes of pizza. Well, I just didn't know what to put down. I was like, maybe a couple light beers. Yeah, ours was, oh yeah, I could walk through ours.

And then they go overboard and you feel it bags, there's all that. They buy like too much shit. You're like, I don't know, maybe I want a little half and half of my coffee. Then you go there and there's a gallon of that, and you know it's just going to wind up in the trash. We got socks on our rider. I don't know why I just thought about this, but that old time we played in Houston at Firehouse Alarm,

and we go to get paid, and the guy was like, what are you talking about? I'm like, where's our show money? He's like, you owe me $200. And I was like, wait, what? There was like four people in the bar. And he's like, yeah, I need $200. And I was like, wait, what? There was like four people in the bar. And he's like, yeah, I need $200. I was like, well, we don't have any money to get back home. Like, what are you talking about?

He's like, well, your guys drank way more than that. So, like, eventually he turned it down. He's like, made us only pay like $100. But, yeah, we had to give them $100 to play at their venue. So, yeah yeah it was just shit like that did uh how like how does it go that you because if it's your first album it's not like someone commissions you ahead you know it's not like someone like does a advance on a new album because you haven't proven yourself yet. No. So how's that work?

Like you make it, you promote it, it gets out there. And then all of a sudden someone wants to not publish it, but someone wants to distribute it. Yeah. So I guess kind of for us, it was just,

it kind of spread like wild, wildfire for in Texas. And then once it got in Texas and kind of blew up there, went to Oklahoma and Arkansas, Louisiana, you know, places like that. So it spread like geographically like that? Yeah, it was just all straight fan base. Like people started sharing it, you know, and we didn't have anybody doing any of that for us. So once we started gaining that momentum and playing all these shows, that's when booking agents started, you know,

hearing about us and other people like that. And we didn't want management or anything like that. We just wanted somebody to book shows for us just so we could play in front of people, you know. We wanted to be playing the 250 shows a year. You know, that was the deal. And, hell, we did it for three or four years and just slowly started coming down because we didn't need to

anymore but uh yeah man it was it was crazy there for a while and it kind of happened really quick but we followed it up uh noise complaint with uh was it it was like two or three years later and been very blessed man we're just just uh the fans like they've done everything for us pretty much so yesterday when we were hanging out i was asking you about the role of austin and being a texas musician and i thought it would be that it was you know i think i don't remember what i said to you but i said something like i assume you had you know that you had to spend all this time in in Austin and that's kind of your main proving ground and where, you know, when you're working on new material. No.

And Austin doesn't, like, for you as a Texas musician, Austin doesn't hold that. Well, Austin has so many different genres coming through of music. So it's not like, like we play, when we started, it was like, there's Texas country music, there's red dirt music up in Oklahoma, you know, and those two kind of merged to become like a genre of music. And so, I don't know, like I said, Austin just has so many different styles of music. And I don't know, there's places we do really good in Austin, but it's not like, like Fort Worth was like a proving ground for us. Fort Worth, Stephenville, all the college towns,'t know. There's places we do really good in Austin, but it's not like Fort Worth was like a proving ground for us. Fort Worth, Stephenville, all the college towns. East Texas was big. East Texas was big.

There's not a lot of places to play in East Texas, not a lot of artists that come out of East Texas. But, yeah, mostly we were just hitting college towns, and we were pretty much just a college bar that was writing music. We had a more edgy sound than what Texas country was kind of brought up on, so I feel like that connected with the college kids a lot more. And I don't know. But that's kind of the reason we moved to Austin, just like you thought Austin was that hub. We thought so too.

We were like, we live in a town where there's one bar and it's all the old people smoke cigarettes in there and play, you know, and just listen to jukebox. You get five to have a pool. Yeah, exactly. Right? But we thought the same thing. We were like, if we moved to Austin, it's like our,

quote unquote, like our Nashville for songwriters. We can go up here and this is going to be our ticket. Somebody will find us. And it's actually, as we started getting that momentum that i mean i was collecting money at the end of the night and uh i was like i don't know what to do with this cash like they're gonna ask for a w-9 i don't know what that is you know and i had no idea but i also didn't want to get taxed at the end of the year let me check with andy yeah let me get back with you but uh that's kind of how things snowballed for us. But I mean,

Coach nailed it on the head. It was the college town at the time. We were, I mean, this has been seven, eight years ago. We were more college age. So like those college kids,

I think we came in at the perfect time where those college kids like really needed somebody to be like, oh, those are the guys I want to go watch. I mean, we drank a lot. We partied with them. Yeah.

I don't use it. You know, it's about partying, having a good time, you know, the's about partying, having a good time, you know, the shit that college kids do. So, they related with us a lot,

you know, and I was, you know, around that time, we were the same age and I was doing so well in college. And,

yeah, so, I think we're just really relatable to all the college crowd and stuff and it's kind of what helped us You know and still to this day, you know, we'll go to college towns and I think I keep telling everybody

I've been I've been in college for ten years now, you know, you know I remember you said that yesterday didn't know what you mean. Yeah I'm still going strong mom dad. And then I told him I like, and you're not a doctor? Yeah, you said that. Oh, you know, I keep wanting to ask you too, and this isn't in any kind of order. Does your family trace their lineage to Lou Wetzel, the Death Wind? You ever hear of Lou Wetzel? No. Okay.

No, I haven't been on it. You ever hear of the Bear Grylls podcast? Uh-uh. You'd be very wise. Really? All right. To go. It's on our podcast network bear grease podcast our clay nukem out of arkansas nice and go look up his episode about lou wetzel the death wind the death wind yeah long hunter sociopathic murder i'll have to get

on uh ancestry.com after this and check well lou wetzel he for he was you know he was from the borderland so the you know ohio river between west virginia and the ohio territories and stuff and then wound up down in louisiana that wound up down in jail down there um hey we might be related yeah You might trace him back to the same jail. You should read up on Lou Wetzel. Yeah, I will. I'll do that. Here's my other question.

But listen to Clay's episode about Lou Wetzel. And I'll point out, I had to lean on him very heavily. Because here's the thing. Do you know Lou Wetzel? No, no. He was alive in the 1800s. That's what I'm saying. He was, Lou Wetzel? No, no. He was alive in the 1800s. I was about to say other guys that hunted, commercial hunters that hunted the Kentucky, Tennessee area. He mentioned how back then there were some real bad hombres, such as, like some bad people, such as Lou Wetzel and Sam Brady.

And I said, I never heard of Lou Wetzel. Then my buddy, Tommy Edson, the blue collar scholar, chastises me over text message of how could I not know about the death wind? So I did some research. Then I strongly suggested to Clay that he do an episode about the death wind. The death wind. Yeah. It's episode 60 of Bear Grease

if anyone wants to check it out. This might be your uncle. I'm going to look it up. This might be your uncle. I'm going to hit you up and be like, you're not going to believe this shit. Me and Lou are actually related.

Here's my next question for you. Make a note to yourself. There's actually a whole bunch, the Wetzel boys, a whole bunch of them. Sound like we're related. So if you came up, so in your business, you come up very grassroots, like very elbow grease,

right? Like outsiders. So. What, like, what, does Nashville, Does Nashville not need to exist for you? I mean, is Nashville a thing, or is it not even a force for you to reckon with? I mean, at this point, no, not really. Just because, like, and nothing against Nashville.

It's just we've kind of made it a point to just kind of do whatever we want to do and be 100% authentic in ourselves. And you can do that in Nashville, but going back to what I said earlier, like everything that we have is because of the fans and the way that they have, you know, blown us up, you know. So we don't need Nashville and and they don't need us necessarily. It's just, I don't know, man. We kind of do whatever we want to, and that's kind of how we've always wanted it to be.

And I'm not saying that Nashville won't allow you to do that, but I'm starting a new country project in January january we're gonna start working on and uh i'll probably be hitting up nashville like hey please let me in no um you're like what door do i knock on yeah no i love nashville man we go there we go there probably five six times a year and got a lot of friends up there but uh and you'll pull you'll pull a good audience there yeah yeah we pull yeah we pull really good audiences in Nashville, but, um, yeah, I don't know. It's just, it's a different world, man. You know, like it's a songwriter world, you know, and, um, I don't know. It's hard for me to write with other people. Like, so I have to, it is, yeah. Like, uh,

I don't know if I can't, if I'm not feeling what another person is, you know, like, or if they're not feeling the same way I am, it's just, it's kind of pointless. Do you ever bring your stuff to, if you get stuck on something, do you have people you bring it to or you just work it out? Yeah, like I'll write like a half a song and then, you know, save it and then come back to another song and either combine them or, you know, to where it makes sense. Or I'll hit up a buddy and be like, you know to where it makes sense or i'll hit up a buddy and be like you know see if you can help me out with this but uh yeah sitting down and co-writing man i've i've done it twice i think and uh it's not that i don't like it it's just it's just really hard for me to do so um but yeah what what would would be the closest thing to a normal way that you'd work from a writing perspective? Usually I start off with melodies, honestly.

Like, I'll have a melody in my head, and then I'll usually start. I mean, I've never written a song in my life, but I don't picture it that way. Yeah, Kurt Cobain, he was like, melody first, lyric second. And so. See, that's not how i do it i do it like uh i go chester then i go jukebox hero then lady may no i'll go melody man and then uh really yeah usually usually is this i don't know is this annoying for me to ask how like the melody's in your head.

No. Like, how does it occur? Like, not how does it occur to you, but what does it sound in your head? Are you hearing it performed? Are you just hearing it like you're humming it? Like, what the hell is it? Yeah, it's either. I mean, it's just like, I whistle a lot.

Like, I'll be whistling a lot. Some of them are like, what is that? I was like, I don't know. They're like, it's not bad. And then I'll just go to a guitar and try to them are like what is that? I was like I don't know they're like it's not bad and I'll just go to a guitar and try to play it seriously yeah honestly

and then after I mean sometimes I'll just I have a thought in my head or I have a line I'll write it down I'll come back to it and then sometimes I'll write the song

before I put the melody to it man it's just kind of what but you know you know lyrically what it is and you just gotta figure out where it's gonna live for sure for sure also whenever I'm But you know lyrically what it is, and he's got to figure out where it's going to live. For sure.

For sure. Also, whenever I sit down and try to write, hardly anything ever comes out. But I'll just be drinking a cocktail or something, and I'm like, man, I should really go try and put that down. Or I'll just make a note on my phone, and then come back to it and have it wrote down. Yeah. Some of my best songs. What would a note on your phone look then come back to it and have it wrote down. Some of my best songs. What would a note in your phone look like? Oh, you don't want to know. It'd be like a couple words?

Yeah, it'll be like just a line or a title of a song or, you know, I don't know, like. Roses are red. Violets are blue. It's cold as shit outside. It's snowing. I'm here with Steve Rinello you know I've seen times where we'll be talking

this could be four in the morning drunk or on a road trip or something or it could be 2pm sober watching TV

and somebody will say something and Ko will just walk off and you see him like something bad happened what are you doing

who's that and I have to write something on my phone and I know that's what he's doing so I don't even ask something occurred to you and I go to the back of the

room with the guitar and shut the door and don't y'all don't see me for like an hour i'll come back i'm like i just tried to hit her you know like we'll hear it 55 times yeah but uh yeah man it's fun i like i like putting together stuff like that and uh being in the studio it helps out a lot, man. We recorded our last record in El Paso. That was funny. My next question is why is it El Paso? Well, so the studio is called Sonic Ranch.

It's in Tornillo. It's about 45 minutes outside of El Paso. But it's on 13,000 acres. It's a pecan plant, like a pecan farm. Do they let you hunt it while you're there? No. There's so many dove and damn squirrels. They wouldn't let you hunt it.

I'm getting in pretty good with the owner, so maybe next year. But no, it's a mile from the border. The wall runs right next to the studio. So once you're out there i think there's a family dollar and a liquor store yeah liquor store and a family dollar there so once you get out there like batteries yeah batteries whatever liquor but it's like a it's it's honestly like a resort studio but it's in the middle of nowhere there's no distractions like you wake up they feed you breakfast lunch dinner you get out there man it's just like and it's for this purpose it's in the middle of nowhere. There's no distractions. You wake up, they feed you breakfast, lunch, dinner.

You get out there, man, and it's just like... And it's for this purpose. Yeah, it's for songwriting. I mean, there's eight studios there. They've got lodging, everything. So once you get out there, you're out there. I mean, wake up, eat breakfast, record, eat dinner, go to bed, do it all over again.

Yeah, it's not very bougie. It's like the only bougie thing about it is all the gear. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy gear. Yeah, and it's not like super fancy or anything. It's a beautiful place. It's awesome. But you guys get a mighty thirst at night, and you like to go out to bars.

What do you do? Oh, yeah. Well, that's what I was saying. We'll just sit there, and we'll drink a couple bottles of wine. And don't get me wrong. On the weekends, we'll pop into El Paso. I found myself like probably 200 yards from, what is it, Juarez? Yeah.

I went with one of the engineers from the place. And he was like, man, I got these girls in town. Let's go. And I was like, all right, screw it. Let's go. So we get there. And I'm like, where the fuck are we at, bro? And he's like, well, Juarez is right there. I'm like, right there? He's like, yeah. I was like, let's get the fuck out of here. fuck are we at, bro? And he's like, well, Juarez is right there.

I'm like, like right there? He's like, yeah. I was like, let's get the fuck out of here. What are we doing, man? I'm like, no way I'm being the morning news, man. Get me out of here. But no, it's great, man. And we're going back in January.

We'll be there for, I'll be there for two months. To do another album? Yeah, I'm starting that country project, but I want to, I just want to get out there and write, man, get away from everything and, you know, dry up To do another album? Yeah I'm starting that country project But I wanna I just wanna get out there And write man Get away from everything And you know

Dry up And just kinda get Get reset And We've been on We've been on tour For damn near all year So

The guys will get Two or three months off And I'll get some time Just to be alone Get out there and write And record again So

Dry up Like dry up on Like like just clean living. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, you know, ease up a little bit. What's the country project? Man, it's just, I've always wanted, like people consider me a country artist, but our music's more rock, I feel like. Yeah, yeah.

We get thrown in that genre, but, I mean, it's rock music, man. Alternative. Me and Seth, who you met earlier, me and him listened to Hell Pass on a continuous loop for six hours, driving from Ketchum to Bozeman. Nice. And we got to Bozeman, I'm like... This is not a country record. Yeah. And then I got to look and how it'm like this is not a country record yeah and then

i then i got to look in how it's like i'm not the first guy to observe this oh yeah oh people get so pissed they're like this isn't country music what's wrong with him i'm like i texted corinne to tell her i was like yes i told you i knew that i was like oh it's a new album but uh no no, so, like, yeah, I'm going to put out my first actual record, country record, you know, like. Like, hold on, what do you mean? Tell me what you mean here. Like some fiddle, some steel guitar, you know, going back to acoustic guitars. But tell me you're going gonna stick with your normal subject matter

and that's the deal that's like the plan like that's why I'm spending so much time out there is cause my goal is to write two records

I wanna write a country record and then that's the deal I might get out there and can't write a country record and then go back

on the music that we had been creating for the last you know ten years but lyrically here's what I need you to tell me lyrically, here's what I need you to tell me.

Lyrically, it'll stay constant. Oh, yeah. It's going to be raw and real. Okay, okay. So it's not going to be like, yeah, you're not going to be saying something. My truck. Yeah, you're not going to be saying something. No, no, no, I'm not going to.

No, no shot. I like talking about, like, feelings and, like, real-world shit, you know. Like, it's not distant people that talk about, you know, going down a back road, drinking a cold beer. Yep, with my grandpa, Steve Wetzel. Shotgun rack and all this. Like, no, it's not going to be that kind of country. It's going to be, like, an old-school, you know, just— Chicken shit stuff.

Raw, real— I mean, the real chicken shit stuff. Yeah, real, honestly. Real chicken shit stuff. Raw, real. I mean, real chicken shit stuff. Real, honestly. Real chicken shit stuff. No, just honest, true shit. Not your everyday, man, let's put on some camo and drink some cold whiskey. You know what I mean? But you don't mind doing that.

I'll fucking sing one. Don't get me wrong. I will do it. I'm going to send you the record, and you're going to be like, you lying son of a bitch. No, I'm excited to hear it. You think it's going to be tough for you to go that route? I don't think so, honestly, man.

Like I said, I grew up around it. I've always been around it. I still love country music, so I grew up around it. I've always been around it. I still love country music. So I don't think so. I think more or less just because we have been making this sound for so long of kind of country rock, I think that'll be kind of the harder part of getting back into the melodic, the melody part of it. But that's it like like i said i might get out there and it might not happen but um and if that does i apologize

for everybody's been waiting on a country record you know my favorite parts about el paso is the the interludes oh yeah where you dress the audience. That's good shit. Did anybody try to talk you out of that? No We were in there man, we were whenever we're in the studio we drink pretty heavily and And you got you were a little phlegmy that day. Oh, dude, you have no idea But uh, yeah, especially during vocal day day i'm drinking a lot of whiskey um but we were so kimball likes to keep the uh the microphone on just in case you know just to catch you know stuff that like damn i wish we'd caught that so uh that was kind of one of the the deals we were just talking and i was, is the microphone on?

He was like, yeah. And I'd had that going on in my head for a while. Like, now that I've got y'all's attention, I forgot what it was I was going to say. And I honestly forgot what I was going to say at that point. So he was like, I really like that. Let's put that on the beginning of the record. Yeah, that's nice. You're getting, like, addressed by the musician while you're listening to the album.

For sure. That's good. Okay, are you willing to play us a tune? Yeah, I'll play you a tune. You really kind of have to, actually. How's it going to go down? I don't know. You're going to play Chaucer's guitar.

Yeah, I think it's tuned step down so I can read. And there's Capo. Okay, before you leave, I have to ask, did you ever find someone sober enough to take you to Taco Bell?

Damn it. No, I spent like three days in jail. Dre, where were you? Probably at Taco Bell or whatever. He was at a taco. Oh, right there. . I sound like shit, it's because the Cowboys lost on Sunday, and we had too good of a time at the cat spa.

The cat spa? The cat spa. Long story. Long cat spa story. Was the Max playing there? Did you guys lose some money in poker? I don't know. I'll play one off of the new record, Yellow Bush Road. I threw away my phone

Cause I don't want To talk to anybody These days To talk to anybody these days I should probably go home and see my friends I ain't seen a pie of trees since last Christmas And I'll be damned if the summer ain't gone I wanna go home And take me home

And tell me why I'm feeling this way A hometown hero without the cape Just a poor motherfucker That grew up on Yellow Bush Road Well, my grandparents still look at me the same and i feel bad when i tell them i'm okay yeah the people in this town say i'm too far gone well i'm better than most and worse than others I'd say And I'm way too tired of trying to clear my head Never works, so I just drink instead And keep telling myself that it helps but it really don't

And everything I've ever wanted Is in the palm of my hand But if trash is treasured, then I'll be obliged to give it to another man That can tell me why I'm feeling this way A hometown hero without decay Just a poor motherfucker that grew up on yellow bush road I talked to my parents

with nothing to say they told me everyone was doing okay they just couldn't believe that I'm singing on the radio but I'm better than most And worse than others I'd say And I'm way too

Blessed bitch today So tell me why I'm feeling this way A hometown hero without the cape Just a poor motherfucker That grew up on Yellow Bush Road I talked to my parents for nothing to say They told me everyone was doing okay They're just hating the fact that I'm cussing on the radio But I'm bitter than most and worse than others, I'd say.

I'm bitter than most and worse than others, I'd say. And I'm way too blessed to be today. All right. How are you? That was great. That's killer. We had the cat's paw all week. All right, man.

Thanks so much. Man. That was so cool. It's been an honor. Really appreciate you guys coming out. For sure. Co, JP, Dre, thanks a lot, man. Thank you guys.

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