The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 419: Hot Legs and Burnin' Squirrel

Episode Date: March 6, 2023

Steve Rinella talks with Kevin Murphy, Guy Zuck, Seth Morris, and Chester Floyd.  Topics include: Hot wings, six ways; unstabilized lard is superior; when you scratch your beard and come up with the answer; what a larder is; Kevin's melted ring bangle jewelry; neanderthal's euro mount collections; the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect; the "weights in fish!" Leatherman; cheating at a walleye tournament and encouraging your son to pass off counterfeit money; cremating your deceased dogs and saving a spot for yourself among them; how Steve doesn't like to re-hunt spots for small game; addressing wild cattle in the Gila Wilderness; Australia's Shooters, Fishers, and Farmers party; when you find a human deadhead; Florida country club considers relocation due to "aggressive squirrels''; how the Chinese train squirrels to detect drugs; your antipodes; testing wind direction with milkweed; and more. Connect with Steve and MeatEater Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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First Light, go farther, stay longer. Kevin Murphy, tell us what's in the oven, man. Man, what we got is rabbit hot wings and squirrel hot wings. Well, not just that. Three ways. Six ways.

Sorry. Six ways. Six different sauces. Starn's barbecue sauce, a medium wing sauce, a hot wing sauce. Guy's favorite. What is it, Guy? UB. I don't know what exactly.

UB. Man, it wasn't nothing but like a spider at the bottom. I almost had to add some water to it to make it flow out of there. So it must be the house specialty here. And then I wanted to put the ghost pepper on and steve started talking about a story and i wandered off and he he like gave me the death glare to get back on but uh yeah it's you know people like different things different some like it hot some like it mild and we did a prep that just and we we knocked it out in what like 10 minutes yeah you two guys y'all uh like the production butcher shop

cutting the squirrels up the rabbits up we save the the tenderloins out of the rabbit for we're gonna fry some make some rabbit tenders that man any kid if they didn't like rabbit tenders they just ain't a kid because it's the next thing to a chicken nugget at that you would get you know at a restaurant whatever but much better much better for we're gonna we're gonna bread it up and we're gonna fry it in some jarred lard which i have never seen before but i guess at michigan that's what they keep their lard oh man what you see here's the deal man i don't know enough about this to tell you all about this, but there's a thing. I wish Jesse Griffiths was here.

When you get, I used to think that lard, like, man, I got so many balls in the air right now. Okay. If I was making goose confit long ago, and I didn't want to save enough fat from geese to get enough fat to cook them in and i didn't want to buy some little four ounce tub of duck fat for three million dollars i would go down and buy the shelf stable manteca manteca whatever the hell that company is lard the square block of lard on a shelf wrapped in wax paper and cardboard.

You follow me? We've got it back home. Not that brand. We have a similar brand. There's like Snow White. Emge, I think is what we have back home. Either way, block of lard on the grocery store shelf. Yes.

Okay. I don't fully know this, why it is, and I wish Jesse Griffiths was here. He doesn't like that stuff because there's something done to that that's not done to the jarred, sealed, or refrigerated lard. He, and he's not like a fussy, he's not a fussy man. He doesn't have all these rules about things he doesn't understand you know like rules for no reason big good name of a book rules for no reason so he doesn't have a bunch of rules that that you ask him a bunch of questions about it winds up being he doesn't

know what he's talking about i just trust him generally and he doesn't like that kind of lard he likes the the stuff like in a in a jar the the refrigerated or of lard. He likes the stuff in a jar. The refrigerated or sealed lard. And it has something to do with some treatment they do. It makes it, you can put it on your shelf for 18 years, not sealed, and nothing bad happens to it. He likes unstabilized lard. Now you're talking. I've got a question.

So lard is from swine, from a pig. It's rendered fat. From a pig though right from generally they use it because it's tallow as beef and lard is pork but i don't know how etched and stolen that is gotcha and grease is bare um well the uh the pioneers they would uh make you have you ever eaten a crackling yes okay uh pork like pork uh skin right no you'd be bear crackling yeah yeah yeah well they would render the lard and out of the cracklings they would cut them up in little chunks and if you really got one special have a little bit of meat left on it that was that was like from my my uh grandparents on my mother's side they would have big hog killing you know i told you about the hog killing pole that had like eight coons hanging

from it that my cousin timmy's got the picture of they got to get them i got to get a copy of that thing but i can remember as a kid they would be rendering lard out there from cracklins they have like a press two two boards together uh they wrap wrap it in cheesecloth, get the cracklings, and then they would squeeze it and squeeze all the lard out and jar it up or whatever. I don't know what my grandma did there. And then they would use the cracklings to make crackling cornbread. Some people would feed them to their dogs, but they would get two products. You know, nothing was wasted from the hog but the squeal. Everything else went to use somewhere down the line. Do you know the old term for

what you might now call a pantry used to be called a what? Hmm. Lard closet? You scratch your beard all day long. The larder? That's correct. The deal with scratching your beard actually helped.

He scratched his beard and came up with the answer. This is the warning. I think that's actually a thing that works. That's? That's correct. The deal with scratching your beard actually helped. He scratched his beard and came up with the answer. I think that's actually a thing that worked. That's because he's worn in. He scratched his beard. The minute he did like two strokes, the answer came spitting out of him. The larder, because you can create an anaerobic environment. This is what confit is. When you take meat, cooked meats, and put them in lard,

you create an anaerobic environment, right? An oxygen-free environment when it's encased in lard. So the larder was where you'd store non-refrigerated foods encased in lard to prevent spoilage, to greatly delay spoilage so why people listen to this show man because you learn about all this stuff with lard i learned that just right now steve no thanks two of us um uh yeah a lot of stuff about lard every other week probably i love confit though so good now so that's what you're making.

And then I want you to answer me this question, Kevin Murphy. You said something yesterday that was very cocky sounding. Just once? Mm-hmm. Kevin's dog, Kevin's squirrel dog, Shorty. Super stout Shorty. Super stout Shorty. Stage name.

Just prior to it, biting Dirtmeth in the leg. What? You didn't hear about this? No. Yeah. Dirt got bit. Now he thinks he's got rabies. It was just a little nip.

It didn't break his skin. It didn't break his skin. Woke him up, though. Really? Yeah, that dog didn't like him. Anyhow, just prior to him trying to kill Dirt, Kevin's dog's tracking a squirrel. We actually saw the squirrel.

So we saw. We saw a fox squirrel. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Those fox squirrels went up a different tree. A black squirrel went that direction. All right. We saw a black squirrel. Okay.

Black phase. So two fox squirrels went up across the road. A black phase gray squirrel tore off through the woods. I think. With a gray. With a gray. There was a black and a gray. Oh, there was a gray.

Okay. Super stout shorty was on its trail and gets to a little tree. The kind of tree where you know that you're going to find the squirrel in. Like a lot of trees, it chases the squirrel in the tree, and you're like, you're never going to find a squirrel in that tree. Full of holes, huge, you know. But this is just a little tree. Small tree with some grapevines and some vegetation.

A squirrel tree. Yeah. But you're like, if he's in there, he's got problems. Yes. Yes. He has nowhere to hide. And the dog was going ballistic and i thought i don't know what i thought but then i was like oh there's something up in that tree and the more i looked at it i said there's a raccoon in the tree and at first i was i texted matt cook

that they were 18 inches apart but I was exaggerating. Yes, you were. Okay, Zucker. How many inches apart were they? 37 and a half. 37 and a half inches apart. Times two. No, no. Times two.

Look here. No, they were closer than that. They were way closer than that. We went back and looked at the footage. He was spreading his arms apart. That's the only reason I know, because I've seen the footage. They were a lot closer that. They were way closer than that. We went back and looked at the footage. He was spreading his arms apart. That's the only reason I know because I've seen the footage. They were a lot closer. A lot closer.

A lot closer. Yeah, right there. I'm the one that climbed up in there. From Kevin's chest to one arm extended. Yeah. From his brisket, the center of his brisket to his. Yes. I'll go with that.

Yeah. But that's twice 18. You know what? I'm going to do this because I'm going to fill this out there just because I'm going to get you some action. I'm not even rubbing my beard on this shit. From the center of Kevin's brisket to his empty ring finger. Very empty.

Ladies. To his empty ring finger. finger look here past his compass This is where my ring is right here in this as the boys in South Africa says Murphy What are you doing with those bangles? So I took my ring Something that my mom gave me in my senior ring what was left of it and made something really good out of it i bangled you took your wedding ring and all that stuff and melted it down yep i had a friend uh wingman raymond's son uh yeah look here that's awesome yeah that's my wedding ring my high school ring and a piece of family jewelry that belonged to my mom so i'm trying to get you some ladies right now kevin well i've got a gold bangle oh ladies like that they look at that

shiny you never tried anything like tinder or anything have you not hadn't been on tinder yet no yeah no i've done some you're open to it i'm open to anything how old are you real quick? I am 21 on the inside and worn in 64 winners on the outside. So average that. So 24 and 64, that's 88, so I'm 44. Oh, that's a good way to look at it. So younger than you. He's ready. So this happened, and I was quite surprised because i was feeling that

were he not it was a medium boar coon and i wondered to myself were he not so caught by surprise of us coming through the woods would he have made a play on killing the squirrel that undoubtedly didn't know he was there when he ran up that tree so the coon's already in the tree just resting for the day he's napping he's got his head and all of a sudden the squirrel happens to pick a tree of raccoons in books up the tree passes the coon by probably thinks to himself holy shit and then plasters himself in the top of the tree right by the raccoon would the raccoon have said, I'm going to catch that squirrel or not? But we were coming, and the raccoon's surely aware of us as well.

He's probably like, that is, well, first of all, that's one really unlucky raccoon just taking a nap, and then all of a sudden here comes Steve Rinella's crew just right under his cheek because of a squirrel yeah yeah man that's an unlucky so we got the raccoon and got the squirrel and then i said something to the effect of um bet you've never seen a raccoon and a squirrel in the same tree or i bet you bet you never got a raccoon and a squirrel out of the same tree before and then you said the cocky thing where you said

that basically that's happened to you before i'm 64 winters so a lot of things have happened to me before i have seen it before i've seen critters that uh i was in texarkana swamp rabbit hunting the middle of uh of um december we're out there i've got polypure bread she's a little bit on the trashy side she actually treed a coon in the daytime down there but he was going like slow slow up the side of a tree and then we were hunting along i called her off that we were hunting along and i seen her hit a trail of swamp rabbit. I think it was a swamp rabbit. Don't know that for sure.

And she ran it into a hollow log. And then the swamp rabbit ran out, ran by me. I did one of those, like, Hail Mary shots, pulled the trigger, and just watched the swamp rabbit drift on off, thinking I probably missed it. There were some other hunters over there and then polypure bred still up there and the next thing i know there's an armadillo that shoots out of that hollow log so i got a swamp rabbit armadillo out there i know i'm off

track but i have seen coons and squirrels uh in the same tree before. Not numerous times, but I have seen that before. Not 37 1⁄2 inches apart. You're correct. That's what you want to hear, that you're right. So let's move on. Well, is it safe to say, oh, we're going to move on. I got stuff. Come on, Zucker, help me.

I'm just, I'm burning. So I need, let's talk about single shot 22s and shooting rabbits and begging, can I bring my 22? I'm really good with a 22. I can kill shit with my 22. So let's talk about 22s and the story of the single shot. Hey, I got other stuff I got to talk about too. You guys ready? I'm going to regale you guys with interesting stuff did you hear about this now if you go to my instagram

at steven ronella you're gonna see a pile you do it right now kevin you're gonna see a if you go back an image or two two three four images back're going to see a photo of a ton of skulls. Okay? Sort of like floating in space. This is from... I'm going to pull it up myself. I'm going to pull it up myself. Okay.

You're going to see a picture of a whole bunch of skulls. Bison antiquus, red deer, and rhinoceros skulls. This is from a paper that just came out. You're going to find this is going to interest Dickens out of you, Kevin. I heard you talking about this. No, you didn't.

I heard you talking about this. Maybe I read the post. Yeah, you might have done that. I think I read the post. From a paper titled, A Symbolic Neanderthal Accumulation of Large Herbivore Crania. I translate that on Instagram into, A Neanderthal Cave Stacked with a Big-Ass Collection of European Mountains. This is from Spain, a cave complex in Spain,

where Neanderthal hunters, this is my words, my synopsis of this is from spain a cave complex in spain where neanderthal hunters this is my words my synopsis of this thing from okay the journal is nature human behavior so you know like the journal nature nature human behavior journal the article again a symbolic neanderthal accumulation of large herbivore crania. My words. Researchers unearthed the find in a cave complex in Spain where Neanderthal hunters stashed the skulls of large bison, deer, and rhinoceros, all with large appendages,

which is science speak for big old horns and antlers. Here's the crazy thing about it. No lower jaws in the stack. It represents many, many animals. No lower jaws in the stack. No other bones at all in the stash in this particular cave. And all the things had exemplary horns on the bison and rhinoceros and on the red deer.

A little trophy collection. That's where they brought the toads. That was European, right? Spain. Euro mounts. I call them freedom mounts yeah when they had to rebrand the french fry remember when the french were giving us a bunch of shit and we had to change french fries to freedom fries yeah that's all i like to call european mounts freedom mounts yeah um freedom mounts then that the original freedom mounts in the cave okay

i'm digging you the paper states this is in the sum the sum up the conclusion of the paper quote today the accumulation and display of large mammal skulls in the form of hunting trophies is linked to sport hunting very careful word like i applaud the word selection here i applaud the word selection because unlike all the not all the unlike so much of the garbage you read about hunting in the media careful word selection is linked right to sport hunting similar practices this is it's continuing on similar practices for varying purposes have however also been documented for the most recent hunter-gatherer societies. Indeed, cultures worldwide have invested animal skulls with a strong symbolic content and have protected or displayed them with due attention.

Meaning, meaning what, Seth? Meaning people like to show off the big stuff they kill. There you have it, right from Seth. As we do today. Yeah. They're like, come to my cave. I want to show you this bison I got last week. You know, Chester, if you come to my cave i want to show you this bison i got last week you know chester if you come to my cave

right now i've got a five gallon bucket that has somewhere between 24 and 30 swamp rabbit skulls cleaned up not cleaned up yet rotten they are rotting the flesh is coming off of them so i'm gonna let them one of the boys at work i tried to get him to clean them for me he said man this is easiest thing to do murphy said go back there in the lab get a five gallon bucket put them in there fill it just over the top with water punch a hole in it let it sit to summertime whatever go in there and spray off and then he said you'll have your swamp rabbit skull so you're going to see 24 at least 24 swap rabbit skulls that i collected this year and those are for chester your will and kevin's will is going to say i bequeath this bucket of rotten squirrel uh

rabbit skulls to chester only if he comes down and picks them up. Yeah, Kevin, I don't know if you guys know this, Kevin has bequeathed me his crazy cowboy hat. That thing is sweet. And if I go down, when I next visit him, I get my pick of the litter out of the gun room. No. No. 22. 22s.

And I got no left-handed 22s in there. No, that's funny. But I got some nice pumps but yes yeah you know i want my kids killed nothing about the guns that i have or my hunting dogs my son's done tell me he says and you die i'm gonna give all your hunting dogs away i'm gonna sell your guns and buy guitars i says i don't care son i will be dead you can do what you want if that's gonna make you happy that's my mission did you say guitars he's a he in life. Did you say guitars? He's a musician. Oh, I got you.

He's going to sell my guns with the money, the proceeds, and buy guitars. So I would be looking at the obituary for Paducah, Kentucky, and you might get a hell of a deal on a gun, especially if you've got a guitar. Except for the one I take out of that pile. You've got to come and pick it up. You should tell him to hit us up first before he puts them up for sale. Should do what? You should tell him he should hit us up first before he puts them up for sale. Should do what? You should

tell him he should hit us up first before he puts them up for sale. I'll give him your number. Yeah. We'll get off here today. I got another piece of news to report. I got a lot of news pieces to report. This one's a news piece that I picked up myself. Seth yesterday observed

this is my favorite observation that he observed that nothing has brought America together since 9-11, quite like the Chinese spy balloon. Let's get it. Everybody agreed. The whole country came together around the idea that someone needs to shoot that spy balloon down. Yep.

And he says it hasn't been since 9-11 everybody's been so united yeah everybody covid they might have disagreed about when to shoot it down but everybody in the country wanted to shoot that balloon down it really did bring us together my favorite thing that i was telling you steve the other day my favorite thing that came out of that spy balloon was a like a meme photo it said uh it's so funny i haven't seen it with so funny it said uh oh man what what did it exactly say it's images a few images have been um collected of the well how did it go it was like a few images collected images spy balloon i didn't see from the spy balloon over iowa and it was like a few images collected from the spy balloon i didn't see the spy balloon

over iowa and it was like a picture of this big old sunburned dude in his pool throwing a couple beer bottles up in the air at it and his wife was right next to him kind of i don't know if she was like flipping them off or doing the same thing but it was great there's a lot of good memes that came out of that spot i don't traffic in memes didn't see any of them oh i like hearing about them i just don't want to look at them here's an interesting thing i was recently i had a whole conversation with my friend jason about this where i was all fired up about reporting around this whole, if you go back and listen to the episode we have called screwed from the right,

screwed from the left, a couple episodes ago, I went on a real tear about some things that, that the Obama administration had done to usurp Alaska's management authority of wild game or of, of wildlife. And then Trump undoing the usurpation and the Biden administration threatening to redo the usurpation and this whole thing. And I was talking with my friend Jason about how, when you read an article, when

you read like a mainstream media article about a subject you know well, you realize all the ways that the reporter doesn't understand the issue or is obfuscating the issue or is screwing it up. Okay. But then you read another article about something you know nothing about and you feel thankful that the article exists because here you just learned all this stuff. But how do you reconcile the feeling of reading an article that you know a lot about? Like if I read an article in the New York Times about the wild horse issue,

the whole article I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not right. That's wrong. Okay. But then, you know, you read about something else. You're like, oh, what a great piece of reporting. There's actually a thing.. In a nutshell, gel man amnesia is, I'm reading from a definition of gel man amnesia. Briefly stated, the gel man amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often the

article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward, reversing cause and effect. I call these wet streets cause rain stories. Paper's full of them. In in any case you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story and then turn the page to national international affairs and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about palestine than the baloney you just read right you guys understand what i'm saying or not absolutely yeah so there's a name for it gel gel man gel man amnesia of a listener a very kind listener wrote in he says i was listening to episode 411 of the meat eater podcast and not for the first time i thought steve needed to be made aware of the gel man amnesia effect i had no idea it had a name so thank you to matt here's a great story i'm glad

uh our our resident walleye tournament anglers are here uh chester and seth the guy from ohio the the walleye cheater we fish. Yeah. Oh, are you guys aware of this? Do you know what we now have in our possession? And it's going into our new studio. The guy that caught the Ohio walleye cheaters was on the podcast. We now have the jersey he had on that day signed to us. Sweet. And we have the actual Leatherman with the broken blade that he very crudely cut in dramatic fashion in all the videos. You see him gashing the walleye, pulling out weights. We now own, for our studio, the jersey and the Leatherman, which we're framing in a big case.

Yeah. Nice. That's sweet. And he signed it, we got weights's awesome. Which we're framing in a big case. Yeah. Nice. That's sweet. And he signed it, We Got Weights and Fish. So we have the knife. This shit is going to be highly valuable someday, man. Yeah. The jersey and the knife will be in our new studio.

Very prominently displayed. That's very generous of him. Very generous, because he could have sold that at Sotheby's or something for $6 million, $7 million. Sotheby's? You can't display my hat now. Chester, make sure that he wears my hat when I'm gone. No, no, no.

I'm going to act like I'm going to wear it. But I don't know. Ronnie Bame had the best advice Ronnie Bame. Ronnie Bame gave me two pieces of advice growing up with him, working for him. When you've got to break up with somebody, you young listeners out there, listen to me. Ronnie Bain advice number one.

When you need to break up with somebody, don't do the like, when you need to break up with someone, this is the talk you give them. It's not you, it's me. Yeah. It's this. There's nothing you can do.

This is not about you. there's nothing that can be fixed nothing can happen we're done we're not trying this out we're not taking some time apart there's nothing that can be done we're done i like that advice it's the man funk when you get into the funk he yeah he would be very annoyed when people would have these on again off again right what's this got to do with my hat oh advice number two oh okay all right that's ronnie bain's rule number one ronnie bain's world number rule number two is never wear a hat that says hello before you do otherwise never wear a hat that has more personality than you do that's good so that hat works great for you but you have a better personality than i do and if i get the hat i'm probably gonna hang at the podcast studio i'll be dead so i don't care i'm gonna have i'm gonna

have a bunch of your ashes in it probably it's gonna be a half full of ashes and i'm gonna frame it i will make sure that you have a portion of ashes. I'm going to have some of them sent down here. Okay. And Guy's going to shoot them out the gun barrel or spread them out there or plant a briar patch where my ashes are. I want like about a good inch. I want a good inch covering of ashes

in the bottom of that hat. And super shorty may be down here too because I've got a medicine bag of my outstanding squirrel dogs, rabbit dogs that I've had since I think I started doing the little funeral by fire. I lost this really good dog that I had named Dot, Hot Dot. Man, she was outstanding. I mean, just a powerhouse.

And I got into the man funk. And how I got out of it is I just cremated her, had a little Kentucky bourbon, saved her ashes, and started me a bourbon collection. What did you cremate her in? Just a big fire? Just a bunch of fire there at the house. And I still remember there, after I lost another one or two,

the ex-wife was driving out there and the kid says, what's daddy doing? He says, he's just burning another one of his dogs. True story. 100% true. 100% true.

Well, I'd be honored to have Shorty up here. Okay. That'd be awesome. And me too. Yeah. Me too. We may burn him together if you want. I want to get back to this deal.

This is all great. You burn dog and everything, but I want to get back to this walleye poacher. One of the walleye poachers, accused walleye poachers, Chase Kaminsky. Okay. Listen to what he is in trouble for now. This is from the yahoo.com finance. Has anybody been to Hermitage, Ohio? How do you say that?

It's Hermitage. Hermitage? It's not Hermitage. It's Hermitage, Pennsylvania, not Ohio. Oh, you sure? Yeah. Check this out. Dateline of February 6th. Hermitage, Pennsylvania, not Ohio. Oh, you sure? Yeah. Check this out. Dateline of February 6th.

Hermitage. I'm reading the article. A Hermitage man accused of cheating in a fishing tournament by putting weights in fish. We got weights and fish. Is facing more legal difficulties, this time involving the passing of fake currency in a bowling alley. Chase Elliot Kaminsky, 36, 12 years younger than me, well, now 13 years younger than me, was charged Monday along with his son, Caden Kaminsky, 18,

he gives their address, with conspiracy to commit forgery with related charges after employees said they passed fake $100 bills in 10-pin alley. Video surveillance, I'm skipping around. Video surveillance from January 20 shows a $100 bill with, here's what the $100 bill says on it, promotion picture purposes only, not legal tender. So they got prop money from a movie.

He bought 56 worth dollars worth of shit with his fake $100 bill and got 44 legal tender and change. They got to investigating him. My favorite part is the text exchange. It's said for motion pictures only and you're, they...

Don't blame the victim. You're blaming the victim. No, you didn't let me finish. No, go ahead. I was going to say, how stupid can they be by like trying that? Pretty stupid.

He says he got the money when he sold a PlayStation to someone in Akron, Ohio and didn't realize they were fake. Read the text exchange, Chester. Okay, Caden. This is Chase's son. Caden. So Caden texts his old man. Texts the walleye to him.

Says, SH-T worked. I think the journalist did that. I know. I'm just, okay. Shit worked. Thank you. Chase, awesome. Should do another one from me tomorrow, Caden says.

Chase, you still bowling? Caden says, yeah, bring one of those hundreds. Chase, okay, you can come play. Cosmic starts at 11. Nothing brings a father and son together like a couple fake $100 bills. At a bowling alley. It's cosmic bowling. Nothing brings them together. Hey, folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada.

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OnX Club, y'all. Here's something interesting. Oh, sorry. Guy, you wanted to revisit this dog cremating thing well yeah it's just pick my curiosity uh i'll cremate them you know i'll have some random firewood or tree top or maybe some pallets pallets work really good because you can stack them up like three pallets high sandwich that dog in there put some on the top get some air under yeah yeah and then when it's all over with i just go in there and pick up some bones ashes maybe a name

tag or something because i'll burn them with their collar on i don't want to reuse that collar right because that's that dog's collar got it you know it's different than re-hunting the same ground you know that dog earned yeah doing a re-hunt that dog earned that we're going to get into that i'm going to lead the way on that one me and me and guy are going to lead that discussion you went early on that we have practice i mean we have practice on that i'm doing a re-hunt not doing a re-hunt but i just i'd like to hear you just address the issue of a re-hunt you know some bones and stuff and i've've got them in little Ziploc bags, and I've got a leather pouch with some frayed on it.

It's like a mountain man pouch there, and I've got several dogs in there. Bobby Django. You hunted with Bobby Django. He's in there. Butchie Badtoll going there, won't he? He'll go in there. But, man, Butchie's hot as shit. He may outlast me.

He's like 91 right now. He'll be 13 this coming july and uh you know he didn't really do a real good job hunting but man i had three male dogs in the kennel together and they got in a damn brawl because br549 he had an injured foot so super stout shorty is the only one that come out the first day you know that that we hunted with and we took butchie bad toe too but he never did really get out and hunt around but you know we made it i just think it's really honorable that you do that with your dogs it's i just think that's really cool only the really good dogs yeah that's right only really good the other ones i would just bury and

put in the ground but the other ones they're going to be with me. When my ashes get cremated, I've got my tombstones already at the house. A piece of limestone from just about four hours north of here from Drummond Island. Oh, you got a piece up there? Yeah, I got a piece of that flat limestone off that. Of course, out of a souvenir shop, you know, I wouldn't pick anything off of public land up there and i have a got a half of a sandstone now a half of a limestone fence post that come out from middle kansas where they use limestone for fence post out there the checks could could hew those things out and my good friend zach was out on a up and bird hunt said man i like to get one of those he dug one out of a ditch big massive thing so it keeps me grounded when i go in the door i got drummond island on the left

i got kansas on the right so that will be my marker stone have you begun chiseling on that headstone yet man it just so happens that i have a uh stone sculpture buddy from Nashville, Tennessee, and he's going to put my name and what I want inscribed on there. What do you want inscribed on it? I don't know. I haven't. You're on your way to a re-hunt. I would say.

I would say. That's what's going on there. I'm on the way to re-hunting. Yes. Yes. That's what. I think you should have. What do you say when a squirrel's dead

and you let your dogs know? Oh. When a squirrel dies? Dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. In the hole. In the hole. Oh, in the hole. Oh, yeah.

In the hole and dead. Yeah, in the hole and dead. But I'm not going to be in the hole. I'm going to be dead. There's no doubt. We're all going to die. And I'm going to live to in a hole. I'm going to be dead. There's no doubt. We're all going to die. And I'm going to live till I die. What did you have to say about re-hunts?

I told you I was wrong. In that case. In that particular case, I was wrong. Well, I do re-hunts. You know, when I was in New Mexico, you know, Ibex hunting, me and Raymond was out scouting around trying to figure out the black-tailed jackrabbit, the desert cottontail and stuff. And so we were out scouting around, and I kind of knew how you were, so I didn't say nothing about hunting this area. And you come in, and you saw our footprints on there.

You said, Kevin, have y'all been here? I said, we have been here just scouting around. I said, man, there's plenty of rabbits in there. He said, Kevin, have y'all been here? I said, we have been here just scouting around. I said, man, there's plenty of rabbits in there. He said, let's go. And so he took us on some death march up next to the mountain with my wore-out knees. And I knew that you didn't like to hunt the same territory over. A re-hunt. A re-hunt.

Doing a re-hunt. And what I have found is that. Four rabbits. Four rabbits and squirrels? No, I don't like re-hunting for squirrels either. Okay. Okay. You don't like re-hunting for small game. Yeah. But you'll re-hunting for squirrels either okay okay you don't like re-hunting for small gang yeah but you're re-hunting for big game oh yeah so we went into a spot and kevin's shaking his head we went into a spot the other day and got a lot of rabbits out of there we got a lot of rabbits we ran a lot of rabbits shot a lot of

rabbits and then these guys wanted to go back to the same spot. And I was like, man, I don't want to do a re-hunt. We already shot all kinds of rabbits out of there. And they're like, oh, we're going to go in there. We take five steps, there's a rabbit. That place is full of rabbits. Man, rabbits are where rabbits are. And you've got to find out where they've got food and protection and briars in there. that's what they had you know we saw rabbit tracks we jumped rabbits they were in the thickest part of that

that place that corridor though i i truly believe that they will move in if they are on their fringes all small game like squirrels i mean there was one place when we were we were hunting squirrels. I mean, there was one place when we were hunting squirrels on the edge of Tennessee. It was probably back in, man, I don't know, my buddies from Alabama and West Virginia were in there. It was like Wildcat Holla. It was just cram-packed full of squirrels. You could go in there and get you a limit. And we would all say, well, where are we going to hunt today? Well, we don't know. Well, somebody would end up in Wildcat.

It got hunted every single day. And anybody that hunted there, they got 12 squirrels they would just the food was in there or something safety whatever but it just got pounded you just couldn't kill them out you could not kill them out of wildcat and i see that you know i see that uh went swamp rabbit rabbit hunting a place and we'd go in there, kill four swamp rabbits, let it rest just a little bit, go back in there. You know, we wouldn't pound it the next day, but we'd go back in there. It's habitat.

Man, guy has got the habitat. He's got weed seed. He's got briars. He's got small game corridors where he has a food plot here. He has water here. He has a shelter belt. He has got it figured out this is what we need we do not need oceans and seas of nothing but native grass in those thick

places small game these rabbits you look at that and you think man there's nothing in there but you look at that stuff there may be a little stream or a drain. There's four-lane highways in these thick places of briars and weeds and trees and stuff. A rabbit's going to run in places of least resistance. Now, in the beginning, he may run through some thick stuff, but he's going to try to escape. He's going to take him a rabbit highway. It might be a two-lane. It may be a four-lane. And when you figure those out, when you can read that road map a small game you'll

become a better small game hunter yeah i truly believe it's great rabbit habitat great probably some of the best rabbit hunt i've ever seen it's very good it is very good this this is laid out i want to get some quail up here there may be winter extremes that freeze the quail down because we had one back home in 77, 78. But more on that line is the pheasants that they talk about that they used to kill here. That definitely ain't from here. You know that. They talk about pheasants right here that they used to kill. Yeah, but those are from Asia.

Yeah, but they are a species that can handle this habitat because glaciers come through here. You're in historic range. We saw that. My bad. That's where the native, not the native, but the, what do you call that? But that's where the pheasant range was, wherever the glaciers were. They stopped.

There's no glaciers in Kentucky. We don't have any pheasants there. No, you are right now. South of Muskegon. You're close to the historic range of the northern bobwhite. And then the line now is a bit, the line now has moved quite a ways south. So you have it. So you got about.

So yeah, do that that they might love it man what do you think about doing that what's that buying a whole shitload of quail and turning them out yeah but i heard that that's that it never works well i just said that too and you were like no but it's got to be wild they got to be wild we've got to get oh yeah i got you we've got to get wild quail yeah start catching them to get wild quail. You've got to start catching them. Yes. We've got to trade something here in Michigan. DNR has got to go somewhere and get some kind of quail.

Of course, with the bird flu and those diseases and stuff, cross the state lines and all that stuff, but we've got to figure out how to get them repatriated. Zucker might need to go vigilante. He already is. I've seen him in action. He's a top-notch predator control guy, man. He joined my team immediately.

He went to the top. He is right there shoulder to shoulder with me. Here's a good letter a guy wrote in. We don't need to touch on that anymore. No, that's great material, but here's a letter a guy wrote in. So, New Mexico.

I know this firsthand because a good friend of mine who's a wild cattle catcher has been doing a bunch of work in New Mexico. He catches wild cattle with hound dogs. In fact, I don't want to overshare here. He was on this podcast i want his info i would love to do that and you too would love to do that best time in the world you guys would be like blood brother nuts on a dog blood brothers you guys would be like i mean yo you guys would have a hell of a time so he was on this podcast

he was talking about his business of he catches cattle that can't be caught and in his words it doesn't matter what kind of cowboy, cow puncher cow catcher you are you can't do what he can do okay he uses his lion hounds

and has trained his lionhounds to bay cattle that can't be caught. So if you're a rancher and you got stray cattle and you get stray cattle off where they're not supposed to be, they go up in the wilderness area, whatever, you can't get them,

he'll get them. You get cattle that can't be pushed with a helicopter, can't be whatever. You're trying to clean off wild cattle so you can put cattle on the ground that are tame and catchable he catches wild cattle that have been out there for generations not like a cow that was normal and went wild he catches them that were born wild with these dogs i'm all in he was on the podcast speaking about his line of work

and wound up getting a bunch of work down in New Mexico. But New Mexico is getting serious about the wild cattle issue. They've got a plan now to go into the Gila Wilderness, which is tricky because there's certain constraints around what you do in the wilderness. But going into the Gila Wilderness is a plan in place to do helicopter gunning to try to get wild cattle out of the Gila Wilderness is a plan in place to do helicopter gunning to try to get wild cattle out of Gila Wilderness. A listener wrote in wondering about this.

He's like, that's all fine and good. I'm paraphrasing. That's all fine and good. But why is it not part of the plan when they gun down a wild cattle to release GPS coordinates of the carcass immediately. Because he's like, why let all that good beef go to waste? Do you know for a fact that they let it all go to waste? They shoot them and just leave them. Dang.

He wants them to shoot them and then immediately release GPS coordinates so that people can go in there and butcher those wild cattle and pack out choice cuts. Yeah, I mean, yeah. He thinks they should do it during cool weather. There'd have to be some kind of sign-up thing so they'll get on a list. Back home in Kentucky, we bring in the gunships, as I call them. We've got a uh wild hog problem people let him lose uh thinking there's

going to be some kind of new sport with their dogs or whatever and uh they brought in a gun ship back in i'm thinking about 20 12 14 50 i lose track of time anymore and the uh pilot said that was the densest population of wild hogs that he had ever flown on they killed like 350 in the old by old by creek bottoms there they were going in destroying the farmer's field they were just getting like on a corn row and just root all the way down and just eat all the corn seed in there but they killed like 350 the first year they come in late march when the vegetation is at the thinnest where they could see them and they're the hungriest and yes yeah and shoot them they came back the next year they killed like 150 something and then they came back the third year and they killed like

32 then they hired a professional trapper topper to come in and try to catch those really super smart ones out there. We have them in LBL right now. They brought in the gunship up there. I don't know. I was told the numbers, but I don't remember, so I'm not going to repeat anything. But the wild hogs are a super big problem because there's like the swine flu. 2018, I was coming back from Saskatchewan on a waterfowl hunt. I was sitting with a veterinarian that was a swine veterinarian that worked around the world.

He had grown up in Canada and worked his way over into Spain and a few other places in Europe. And he was flying to Nashville. And I asked him, so you going there to see vacation or whatever? He said, no, I'm going there for a seminar on the swine flu. And he told me how bad it was. And then, you know, if you watch the news, the scene that was going on in China where they were killing millions and millions of tame hogs where the swine flu come in and he told me that that you know at customs coming in you know they check you for food you know not processed

like you know if you had a country ham that you cured at at your house over in spain or whatever they wouldn't let that thing if it was processed in plastic wrap they will they will let that through sometimes it will sometimes it won't but he told me that someone could have some sausage that they cured and may have not went through the proper process they could bring it over here take it out eat a sandwich out in lbl throw it down and then a hog could come in there it eat it and then start transmitting swine flu from that we had a hog expert a hog eradication expert on the show one time on this podcast a couple years ago and he was saying that he don't care about all the big numbers that's not interesting to him like the guys that

go into an area and they catch 200 300 he's like whatever you know what he's interested in he's interested in the guy that catches the last one yes exactly we all are as sportsmen yeah because they are vectors for wildlife and vectors for our farming industry. Well, his point being that the skill set, the experts are the ones to get. Anybody can do the, let's say you got 100, catching 97 of them, whatever. But the guy that he likes is the guy that can go in and get the last three because that's the hard part. He's the guy.

Yeah, that's what becomes hard. He is. He is the guy. Like actually doing an eradicate, like thinning back numbers is one thing, but doing like an absolute eradication is a difficult job. I understand that 100%. Yes. Yes, to get the last one, the smartest one, and hogs are super smart.

They are way up there on the smartness scale. I'm always talking about how, I'm always talking about this guy says, Steve in episode 411 was bemoaning the lack of clear representation of hunters by the two major U.S. political parties. Check this

out. Guess what Australia has for a political party? They have a political party called the Shooters, Fishers, and Farmers Party. Oh, I like that. Man, I'm going to be a member of that. I like that. You know what they do in Australia that's weird?

You have to vote. Compulsory voting. No shit? That's the weirdest thing in the world. Why would you make people vote? Why would you want to dilute your vote that's what i remember my my civics teacher in school was like he was trying to teach his view his name was al young and he was staying up in front of the class and he'd say why would i because he a lot of the government teachers were trying to encourage their kids that

their students to register to vote. He would say, why would I want you people to vote? Why would I dilute my vote? And he'd always point his two thumbs at himself and he'd say, I'm concerned only with what affects Al Dion. And that was his civics lesson. You don't want people to vote. He's like, if I had it my way,

I'd be the only guy that voted. Right? They make you vote. I didn't know this until now. Either way, they have the, what was the name of that party? Hunter, Fishers, and Farmers. Shooters.

Shooters. The Shooters, Fishers, and Farmers party. Here's the problem. It only pulls.6% of the vote. Over the last 25 years, they've ranged between 0.6% and 1.7%. That was a hell of a good year. 1.73%. Huh.

He says voting is compulsory in Australia, the listener, which may skew numbers. That'd be damn sure would skew numbers. Making everybody vote? What kind of lunacy would you get if everybody had to vote? You actually got a guy that doesn't want to vote and you make him go vote. He's just got to pull the lever.

Like, why do you want his opinion? No, I really want your opinion. You don't care? You don't know anything? But I really would like to know what you think. I wonder if that's true true that you have to vote here's another interesting letter that came in check out this headline i found this is an email subject line i found a human skull while shed hunting yeah that's interesting catches my eye podcast listener mass Massachusetts was out shed hunting, found an unexpected dead head.

My wife and I managed to buy our first house here in Westfield, Massachusetts last October. He's only got a little chunk of land, but behind it is a big track of forest owned by the city, white pine and wetlands. It's green space, right? Ton of deer activity. He's been doing a bunch of shed hunting out there. Went out on a real cold day

and hunting sheds. Now, here's him talking. I'd been looking for sheds for about an hour and was starting to loop back around to my house and noticed that the largest section of wetland that I'd yet to muck through was finally frozen over. I was pretty confident deer had been pushing through there, but I hadn't yet strapped up hip waders to check it out.

I walked on the ice and followed a game trail through the cattails and at about 20 feet i noticed there was a tiny island with a small red maple just barely hanging on in the center i got onto the island and right smack next to the tree was a human skull huh i'd love to have that happen to me. It looked deliberate how perfectly it was in the center of the small little section of land. This man's excellent.

Does a great job explaining this, right? Yeah, he even nailed the tree species. I thought to myself, huh, that's some dude's skull. Followed promptly by, that's gotta be fake. So I flipped it over with my boot. It was most certainly not fake. Seeing as it still had its fillings on the molars. Wow.

I don't typically bring my cell phone out with me when out behind my house, so I had to head back home. At this point, I was pretty jazzed. It wasn't the deadhead I was looking for but i already knew i had a great story to tell my wife i got home told my wife parentheses pretty shocked then called the cops at this point it's 4 30 p.m five degrees fahrenheit a lot of details yeah i suggested to the dispatcher we go out the following morning when it'd be light, but that didn't fly. Two cops got to my place, and I brought them out back. I'll note there's about an 80-foot elevation drop

at roughly 45-degree angle behind my house. This guy is just made for this kind of thing. Laying it out. 80-foot elevation drop, 45 drop 45 degree pitch you know what that's a very steep pitch he might be wrong i'd have to check that when i brought them to the spot the lead investigator came to the small island while the other stayed a bit outside he looked at the skull and confirmed it was real just then a second bone caught my eye just under the cop's boot sticking out of the water stayed a bit outside. He looked at the skull and confirmed it was real. Just then a second bone caught my eye. Just under the cop's boot sticking out of the water was a femur.

I feel like a dumbass for this, but I didn't have my phone on me before, and I hadn't gone out to take a picture before the cops arrived, so no picture. I asked the investigator if I could take a pic after we found the femur and got a pretty hard no. Still kicking myself for that one i spent the next few hours helping some additional cops navigating atv close to the wetland then called at night while they stayed out and searched the area for a few more hours the remains ended up being from a guy down the road that went missing three years back apparently he wanted to live off the grid. I thought I'd be more shocked to find human remains,

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Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. Here's a good story. Ready for this one? Yep. Kevin, as you'll appreciate this one. All right. Aggressive squirrels force Florida Country Club to consider relocation. These are my kind of squirrels.

On a golf course. Maybe I might want to bring some of them up here in Kentucky. This is amazing. Seth, you said you're good at regional pronunciation. Windermere? Windermere? Windermere? It's not Windermere.

Windermere? Windermere Country Club is at, quote, peak playability right now, unless you count the squirrels. The 27-hole Naples, Florida golf complex is going through quite an ordeal when it comes to regional wildlife. Squirrels in the area are being nuisances in all sort of ways, and it's beginning to force the hand of the Windermere higher-ups.

They're probing relocation options for aggressive squirrels. Gosh. Never heard of an aggressive squirrel. Never heard. Here's a great, here's one of my favorite sentences of my life. We are looking into the issue to determine the best outcome for both the squirrels and our members' safety. Oh, you know what's crazy?

What a bunch of candy asses. My God, man. As if golf couldn't get any lower. Go ahead. I literally just saw my phone light up. I literally just picked up my phone. My buddy Ben Levy sends an article that says, aggressive squirrels forcing Florida Country Club to consider relocation.

Where are the chances? He just sent me that article. Really? Picture this, man. What kind of person what kind first off I I've made my feelings about golf known but what I mean that you're going you can't you can't you're scared to go golfing because the squirrels you have a goal that says everything well there's a there's a tweet from a guy, and his handle is NaplesGolfGuy.

I play the golf course a lot. I would say the squirrels are persistent. If you leave open food containers in your cart, they will help themselves. I love these squirrels. You know what, man? I think that if it goes well, they'll move that golf course to

another country. And in Scotland, I think they like golf over there. Move it to Scotland and then have that be a good hunting spot. A golf story about squirrels, my Uncle Pete, or it was my

Uncle Gary. I can't remember which one, was golfing with my dad, and a squirrel was about 250 yards out running across the fairway, and he hit a drive, and his golf ball flew out there, and all of a sudden it hit something and ricocheted, and he ended up getting that squirrel out in the fairway. Killed it. With a nine-iron or what size? I don't know.

You know, Steve, if they would get fired. That is the most embarrassing. If I was a golfer, I would be so humiliated by this being an issue. No, no, no. By you needing to fret about how to handle the risk of squirrels while playing golf. Maybe they should just have Kevin come in there. They need to get him some feral cats. That's what they need.

No, no. They need to move the golf course to another country. I agree. I'm thinking if we brought those aggressive squirrels up here, because you've got retreating squirrels here. Yeah. If we bred those together, then that should be a stay put squirrel. Maybe.

That's a good point. Just bring in some Zocker squirrels. They'll teach those squirrels how to steer clear. A stay-put squirrel. Check this out. This is kind of like a news episode. You getting this? China trains squirrels to detect drugs.

This reporter in NPR. The what? I'll say it again. Did I stutter? No, I wasn't paying attention. We were making hand signals. China trains squirrels to detect drugs. As reported in NPR. A police squad in China claims it's trained squirrels to detect drugs.

Police sources told local news outlets the squirrels keen sense of smell makes them suited for the task. They haven't been deployed, but news of the rodent troop went viral on Chinese social media. Let's talk about TikTok. You're the last guy on the planet. Like, you know, like this whole thing with tiktok and how it's like it's basically like the chinese spy balloon in your phone yeah um mercer long the bobcat trapper has a tiktok send me a tiktok i can't even watch it because i don't have it but he sent me a tiktok link yeah he's wondering about putting um he was like, he's asked me, they're talking about taking, mixing wild game meat with bacon soda.

What's that? Tenderize it. Oh, tenderize it. I haven't watched TikTok. I can't watch the video. Huh. Clay, he tears a new one on TikTok. Clay's like Joe TikTok.

I know. I've heard of this. TikTok has stricter, even though it's a spy and it spies on you, it has stricter stuff around hunting and firearms really really strict hunting and gun rules interesting you know why because they don't well i could go down a way conspiracy rabbit hole right like what kind of people they're trying to draw in yeah they're trying to draw in the lambs and not the wolves that's right so but this is very interesting.

So, a police squad in China claims it successfully trained squirrels to detect the smell of drugs. This is the interesting part. Police sources told local news outlets that the squirrels' keen sense of smell and, you ready? Flexibility. Make them uniquely suited for the task. So that spy balloon, it went over Florida, is that right? Dropping spy squirrels. Dropping or retrieving?

Aggressive with a spy squirrel. What would you have? Like an attack squirrel. That might be, man. That might be like, hey, man, when we're done spying on the military installations, if we can zap up some of these aggressive squirrels from this golf course in Florida and train them to drug sniff and then put them back into TikTok. I saw one of those squirrels here sniffing around Seth's bag, so maybe Zuck has a few of those.

That's nutty. No drugs. It's a trail mix. The Chongquin City Police. I'm sure I'm mutilating the name. Chongquan City. Close enough. They have a dog brigade. They now have a subunit of six squirrels.

They have a dog brigade. It must not be curs or feis. They're using red squirrels because the dogs would be after the squirrels right because they can sniff out they can sniff out drugs in the nooks and crannies of warehouses and storage units the picture of that squirrel that they have looks a little different than our red it is but there's a lot of kind of red squirrels I think red squirrels are basically trans polar do you like the blue like for instance the blue muscle is trans polar like if you if you take a that's not the right word for it look up what the word for it is if you take a

latitude band okay there's some species if you like the polar bear for instance you can take a latitude band so it'd some species if you like the polar bear for instance you can take a latitude band so it'd be zero to whatever latitude and run it across the whole planet that latitude band holds that species I believe moose are like this you can take a latitude band in the northern hemisphere and take that band, so let's say with moose, I don't know what it is, 30 to, I don't know what, right?

30 to 45, whatever, and run that latitude band around the whole globe, the whole planet. They exist in that latitude band. Blue mussels, they have a latitude band all the way around the planet.

It's called, oh, circumpolar. Circumpolar. Yeah, transpolar is existing across either of the polar regions. Here's another good word that I learned one day is if, you know when you were a kid, you thought if you dug down deep, you'd pop out in China? Uh-huh. At any point on the planet,

if you were to burrow straight through so the longest axis through and pop out that's called your antipodes so you i don't know if you like started digging right here chester popped out you'd pop out at your antipodes where would i pop out it's a good questionester, and popped out, you'd pop out at your antipodes. Where would I pop out? That's a good question. But once you popped out, you, this is metaphysical, once you popped out, you would be sitting at your antipodes.

That's it. Could you Google that? And see? Like what our, right here now, what our antipodes is? There's probably an app. If not, we should develop an app called the Antipodes app, and it'll always tell you what your antipodes is. Yeah. There's probably an app. If not, we should develop an app called the Antipodes app, and it'll always tell you what your Antipodes is. Man, we got this tunnel. Like, what was that movie that I saw where it had that hole in it,

that Western thing? Did y'all see that? Mm-mm. No. What was that name? It had the guy from... Scratch your beard. Old country.

No country for... Colton McCarthy? Old men. No country for old men? Hugh Allen was like the star guy in the thing, and he had this... Lou Allen? Yeah, Lou Allen.

This hole that he popped out of on his property. It was like going down the rabbit hole. Y'all didn't see that? I saw that movie a bunch of times, but no one pops out of a hole in their yard yeah that's where that's the world lou ellen coming from he come out of that hole i think we'd be somewhere right in the indian ocean i don't think he's talking about no country for old men oh no i was talking about the guy he's talking about the guy who plays well but there was another there was another um series

of about i don't know eight shows nine shows and uh yeah it's pretty interesting that was another um series of about i don't know eight shows nine shows and uh yeah it's pretty interesting that was i can't remember i haven't seen that now my kids have a great kids book called sam and dave dig a hole okay and they dig a hole and they dig dig dig dig dig and what's weird is they eventually fall through the other side of the planet. And they fall through the sky and land in their own yard. My kids love that book. What's it called? Sam and Dave Dig a Hole, I think is what it's called.

Look up Paducah, Kentucky. I want to know. But you know what? When they land in their yard, it's a little bit different. If you compare the pictures in the beginning, some things change. When they fall from sky, they come out out they plunge out the other side of earth fall and flop right in their own yard and they're fine but if you look shit's a little different so instead of reading from left to right they read from right to left uh these uh the police and in the the um oh this goes on i got

this more parts of this they have the the chong king chong king police department they have not returned um requests for comment on their drug sniffing things but here's the thing i didn't know about in 2002 the pentagon backed a project to use bees to detect bombs meanwhile cambodia has deployed trained rats to help bomb disposal squads trawl minefields for buried explosives i don't want that job as a rat if i come back as a rat i don't want to do that so how do they use bees to don't know i haven't read up on do they use bees to? Don't know. I haven't read up on it yet. I'll follow back up with you.

That's pretty bizarre. I could see a rat training them to feed them some C4 or something, or when they smell C4, they get a reward. Yeah. I could see trading that rodent mind to do that, but a bee is a whole different creature. Associate it with some kind of pollen or something. Yeah, you don't discipline the bee when it does bad. No!

I know I was told about some of the... Smack that bee. You roll up a newspaper and you kind of whack, hit him a little bit on the nose. Some of the mountain people that I knew, they said to find in the mountains to find a wild uh colonies of bee you know honey you know they would tie something a thread or something they could see on a wild honeybee and let it fly up and then when it leveled off they knew that there was probably a bee tree in that area and used to

when i really did a lot of prowling and stuff, I knew there were like five or six wild bee trees that were located. Now I only know where one is. Because of colony collapse disorder? I would say that. And I don't prowl around, you know, as much as I used to. But I was, to me, a mark of a woodsman where I'd be out prowling around, you know, looking and finding a wild bee tree.

Yeah, it's funny you bring this up because there's a couple I'm glad he brought this up. Maybe you could shed some light on something for me. There's a Tom Petty song in which Tom Petty says Did you ever watch that great documentary about Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers

called Running Down a Dream? The first time any of those guys were ever west of the Mississippi River is when they went to LA to try to make it as musicians. And they, no kidding, found a scrap of paper that had a bunch of record producers' names on it in a phone booth and started calling those numbers. That's a Michigan

elbow grease in Florida people. What was I getting at? Oh, there's a Tom Petty song where he says, I can track a single bee to its hive. Okay? I have a friend whose name was Layton and he lived in montana and he would as a hobby

he would make his own boot wax and he would make it it would he'd make a tri-blend boot pitch okay beeswax bear grease pine pitch pitch. Okay. Equal parts to treat his boots. He'd get his own pine pitch. He'd get his own bear grease and he'd get his own beeswax. And he would find it. He would make it a hobby of his in the summer. He would go out until he saw a honeybee flying. And he'd watch to where he couldn't see it anymore.

Okay? And then he'd go stand in that spot and mark it with a piece of surveyor's tape. And the next time he had time, he'd stand in that spot. And he'd wait and wait and wait and wait and wait for honeybees to come along there. He'd watch as far as it would go mark that spot and hang out there and he used to routinely find wild honeybees that way

it would be interesting to know if he figured that out on his own or if some warning got told him about that well that's why i think he i mean i don't want to say he learned it from tom petty but that's what that's what and when you're listening to Tom Petty and like all the, everybody on the planet has heard, I can track a single bee to its hive, but I wonder how many people have any, how many people listen to that and they just like hear it and it goes through their brain, but they don't understand at all what it means. They don't understand like what that level of, what he's saying about that level of prowess.

You brought up no country for old men. And I brought this up before. In the end of no country for old men, the character is describing a dream and he dreams that he and his father are riding horses in a blizzard. And his father rode ahead horses in a blizzard and his father rode ahead carrying a horn of fire no one knows what that means if you listen to the show yeah if you listen to the show you know what that means

but like how many things enter your brain from media or whatever music art and just that's the noise it makes when it goes through seth's head it probably sounds like yeah most most of that if that enters my head it's in and out um yeah i can track a single bee to its hive i would love there so i want to set myself to doing that someday but the thing is now you brought it up with like with rampant use of pesticides changing farm practices colony collapse disorder like we're running out of that shit less pollinators and we got this monoculture of seeds of soybeans and corn and not any like um milkweed milkweed that we used to have for the monarchs yeah we don't have any he's got a lot of milkweed i asked him if he planted that milkweed he says he's he's he just had he just got and it's coming more and more and more milkweed here

yeah there's i got milkweed pods off of drummond Island. Milkweed up that far north. But I've been trying to collect. I've got some kids, and they've sent me some milkweed pods. Do you know what they was used for during WWII? I know what I use them for. Wind checker. They were making silk or something. No, I'm wrong about that.

No, I don't know. What about it, fishermen? What's y'all's PFDs? Right now, what is it made out of? No, but that's the hand. They use it as a flotation device. In a PFD? In a PFD.

You're kidding me. Nope. Nope. I knew the calculations. I did some research on it. But they don't only last so long. They become waterlogged. But they collected huge amounts of. fill it for for pfds for pfds yes really yes and ww2 now i'm learning

great stuff man that's great yeah what i like to do is in my in my fhf vinyl harness there's this little kind of like pocket you can't really figure out what what you'd put in there it's like for what it's actually for a mouth call it's a perfect size you put a read call like a mouth call in there one on each side it's never going to come out in a thousand years but it's just there if you want to grab it out when i see milkweed i take the milkweed what are you two having like a little naughty thing about we have bonded we have we have we have spent three days our shit's's going to get in trouble. That's where you see that. When it comes to Kentucky, man, all them patches I got on my jacket, I'm going to have to call the OMEA and say, man, I need some help. What does my jacket say?

It says all kinds of stuff on it. It says like a jacket. He looks like an old 1970s Harley rider because he's got so many patches sewn onto his hunting coat. Oh, man. On the FHF vinyl harness, there's like these little mouth call things. I like to keep one of those packed full with milkweed. Let's see.

It's not the actual seed. It's the little white stuff. It's the thing that carries the seed in the wind. You want to know what the wind's doing. You you reach in there oh it works so well throw that up very well you gotta just you have to be careful because if you take your your diaphragm turkey call or your elk call and you put it in the wrong pocket with the milkweed you can whip it out and get your mouth full of a bunch of milkweed. He's spitting it out. In Michael Hare's book, Dispatches, he talks about the Lerps,

the long-range reconnaissance patrollers in Vietnam. He talks about how they always kept uppers in the right pocket of their tiger suit and downers in the left pocket of their tiger suit. I do like milkweed right instead of having uppers and downers. I do milkweed right instead of having uppers and downers I do milkweed right mouth call left I have to remember that I don't mix them up I want to give you guys a little bit of an update here

after some research if you dig a hole where we're sitting right now the whole way through the earth you end up somewhere in between the Indian and Southern Ocean in the water. It would be the southwest tip of Australia.

It's in the Indian Ocean, right? Funny you mention that because when I learned the word Antipodes, I was reading a thing by the writer ian frazier who's going to be coming on the podcast soon and he had written a big he was from ohio and he talked about like there's a lot of towns and all people used to be obsessed with the antipodes like canton ohio if i'm not i might be messing parts this up but there's towns around the country named after what they thought their antipodes was like people used to really be into this antipodes idea oh really and there's towns named where they had miscalculated what

the antipodes was and named the town after its antipodes so when you're a little kid and you're brought up thinking that if you dug through in america you'd like dig through and land in china he wrote a whole piece wasn't long but he wrote a whole piece about what the antipodes of his hometown in ohio was and he got into this kind of muck that's like 20 000 feet deep in the ocean and all this information about this muck down there and like did a whole piece about his hometown's antipodes which which was like this primordial muck deep in the ocean. It's coming back to me now.

Anywhere in the United States, the Antipodes would be in the water, in the ocean, Indian Ocean. We should get my deep drop reel and go down there and deep drop. Yeah. Watch you drop down there and catch Chester. You'd see a bait come up yeah what's this doing what would you bait the hook with tin is in yeah dude big sharp hook put a tin is in on there and lower it down on the intipid he's pretty soon like jay would be out there on his boat on Canyon Ferry and all of a sudden a 10 pound piece of lead

comes shooting up we're going to wrap the show up but I got one last thing to say we were having a conversation yesterday I learned it I was reading it when they shot one of those balloons those spy balloons probably not a spy balloon but the one they shot over Lake Huron

right near here the first sidewinder missile missed it missed the balloon probably not a spy balloon, but the one they shot over Lake Huron, right near here. Yeah. The first Sidewinder missile missed it, missed the balloon. Wow. And we were talking about what if you boys have been fishing walleyes and got hit by that Sidewinder missile off Lake Huron. What a story. I think there's only one thing that would happen. Seth and I would be both looking at our Mega Live

and see something coming towards us. Chris Gill says if that would have happened, he would have got good coverage of it. That guy doesn't miss a hook, Seth. All right, Kevin, you got anything left you want to add? Special thanks to my dog Wrangler that helped me on this trip that I couldn't have been. Not your dog Wrangler to my dog wrangler that helped me on this trip that i couldn't be your dog not your dog wrangler my dog wrangler yeah my dog wrangler i was like i didn't

see you had a dog named wrangler yeah my dog wrangler next year that helped me immensely and made this trip more enjoyable um now that you're worn out yeah worn out what is it worn in worn in worn in i'm worn in. Man, guy, like I said, we've got some adventures to do. That's for sure. That's for sure. I'm looking forward to it. You know, Chris said he could get us into Burning Man, so are you in or out?

Yeah. I think, Zucker, he might be more into your Burning Squirrel Festival. The Burning Squirrel? Yeah, we're going to have that on the Ohio River sometime right in June. So, yeah, we're all going to be river pirates for a weekend. So, man, this is a wonderful place. You've done a wonderful job of going in here and making habitat for, I know you're a turkey and a deer guy,

but people don't understand turkey and deer habitat make great small game habitat small game habitat makes great it's all intermingled in there that's the way i look at it if if you're doing stuff for the rabbits and the quail and the birds you're helping the deer and the turkeys along briars and weed seed help everything it's an amazing i mean it's it's an amazing property so matt who who owns this place he's on the trcp board of directors guy does all the wildlife management out here and then you know goes to show like what can be done um what can be done on a piece of recreational property with when you're able to when you're in a position where you're able to just to have the i don't want to say the luxury's not the right word but it's part of that right part of that but also the tenacity you know and the will to

do wildlife work and driving around here i mean there's not a ton of it happening. But, I mean, here it's just like, and it's active control. Timberwork, burning, planting. It's like active control. Bare dirt pollinators. I saw all the flying plants that you have out there. You know, the bees, the butterflies. The chain of nature is here. You've got soil health that makes plant health but that makes

wildlife health that's what i see going on here no it's it's amazing man the amount of i mean just like the bird like everything it's it's an amazing it's an amazing place i mean you can imagine if if if we could double quadruple the acreage in this country that that was like this because the cats out when it comes to human involvement like the cats out of the bag genies out of the bottle whatever you want to put it it's like leaving it alone is one like leaving it alone is one thing but it doesn't leaving it alone at this point this used to all be this used to be old growth white pine okay so in terms of what um you know it is a little more north here but you know like old growth timber that's not coming back you know and at this point it's like

you gotta fight for every square inch of it man man. And that kind of super active management just makes incredible wildlife habitat. And with all the invasives now and stuff, leaving it alone is just a scary thing. And this is one of the nicest little podcast setups I've ever been at. Dude, we've done a number of them sitting right here, man. Fire crackling. Yep. A couple of weasels up above there checking us out. Stuck weasels. Chester's got his coz crackling. Yep. A couple of weasels up above there checking us out.

Stuck weasels. Chester's got his cozies on. Yep. Well, it's a privilege to work with Matt and be able to do the things that I do. But it's constant. You know, I'm working for turkey season and deer season and turkey season. You know, it's just a constant battle of there's never downtime. You know, and that's the great part about it you know being able to see the future and what that field will look like and

we talked about what we were going to do with that field that we walked through and how we were going to connect it and i've already got a plan for two years from now for that but i've got to let nature catch up to where i want to be able to utilize what it has to do. And the lack of roundup that we use here, now we do use it like in our food plots, but we just don't use it very much. And we're not fence to fence. We're letting fence to field. We're letting the briars and the milkweed

and everything else coming along. We've seen it. The last year, it's really taken off. And that took three years to get there you know yeah but this is uh when you see if you listen to the show and you watch on social media of stuff we're doing when you see us do the trcp raffle turkey hunt this is where we hold that hunt this will be this will be our third year yeah so coming to spring we do our raffle um people you buy raffle tickets for $5 a piece or something like that.

Something like that, yeah. And then we get lucky winners picked out of that raffle, and then we host them for a turkey hunt where me and Giannis hunt turkeys. This is where we do that. This is where we do that. And we've raised a boatload of money for TRCP doing that raffle hunt. Man, that's great. That is great.

I'm thinking we need to extend it man and do a raffle where we do a rabbit hunt i'll be in on that i'll help god oh kevin that was amazing that those beagles steve and i are talking about how we gotta get some beagles out in montana i know but i'm not doing it until kevin comes out with his and does an assessment like a condition assessment yeah it's just i'm just worried about the dry like like is how boned are you going to get by the dry air the dry condition right you may have to you know a puppy might acclimate right into the thing um you know might have tried but i'll bring the dogs out and we'll try that. Just kind of like this morning, you know, we were snowed in, ice underneath. We had a track in snow where we could see rabbit signs.

The dogs were hit or miss on the rabbits, kind of get them going, kind of lose them, and there at the end, they were running one rabbit, pretty decent. We might have been able to kill it, but in the beginning, we just said, man, and I said, we're not going to be able to kill it. But in the beginning, we just said, man, and I said, we're not going to be able to kill them with the dogs. We're going to have to push through like we were 16 and go through the rough stuff and jump shoot the rabbits.

That's what we did. And we got four rabbits. But man, that day when it was just wet ground. Oh, holy cow. Yeah. The minute those things that day was incredible.

Cause the minute one of those dogs bellared, you're like, that's a dead rabbit. Cause they're going to run that thing by three times they need to and then and then when that layer of ice that layer of frozen rain on the ground within that frozen snow on top of that it was just incredible the difference it made we seth about killed one stepping on it and it ran out and the dog could tell that it had where it had been laying but it couldn't pick up its exit out of there yes because he melted a little melted right right here it melted there yeah big difference man yeah that wet soil that rich glacial deposit soil here it the scent really stays in when sending conditions are above freezing well and that

on that note i just want to thank you for bringing them dogs up here and then you steve there introduced me to him because you know i burnt myself out on it for so many years and be able to pick up a gun and go do that uh it was just it really meant a lot and uh you're more than welcome i've enjoyed myself immensely got burned out on hunting guide took it out out on hunting. Who explained that? Yep. And the good Lord gave it back to me. And I just couldn't believe it.

It was just a really good day. It really was. And then for you to shoot my rabbit with my.22 today and show me how it was done, I must put it in the case. That's it. It was just a really good day, a really good time. And I'm looking forward to getting in trouble with you many, many times. Burn it, man. Burn his squirrel.

Burn his squirrel. Burn his squirrel. As usual, Kevin Guy, thanks for coming on the show, man. Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your day. It won't be the last time you boys have been on the show, but I appreciate it. Thanks for having us, buddy. Hey folks, OnX Hunt Canada. It is now at your fingertips, you Canadians. The great features that you love in OnX are available for your hunts this season. Now the Hunt app is a fully functioning GPS with

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