The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 431: “Chetiquette” with Luke Combs

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Steven Rinella and Luke Combs bring you a special episode of “Chetiquette” with Chester Floyd and the rest of the MeatEater crew.  Connect with Steve and MeatEater Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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without cell phone service as a special offer. You can get a free three months to try out OnX if you visit onxmaps.com slash meet. All right, everybody. We're here for a special, a very special episode drop. Short and sweet, very concise. You asked for it, and we're giving it to you. It is the official and official Chetiket episode.

Appropriately named after Chester. Yeah, but there's something that I just learned about, like, what Chetiket actually means in Australia. I know. I didn't know about that. It's slang. In Australia. Is that where this is from? I'm guessing.

You can tell because some of the word choice. I say we start by saying what our version of Chetakit is first. Just introduce that to the people.

Chetakit is outdoors etiquette as funneled through Chester'sester's brain who is the nicest man on the earth from west nice man and nicest man in the world and not only that but it sounds good like if yanni was into etiquette as we pointed out and you called it yannik it no one's gonna care about that sounds like a holiday yeah it does but chetic it sounds great uh ryan a kit don't care about that no clay a kit that's stupid so it's chetic it and then uh yeah so chetic leads the thing we went out to the audience and got all their conundrums and man there's a lot

of them tons moral quandaries moral quandaries that come from outdoor living and we're going to be giving um advice and to to help us here today we have clay newcomb mark kenyon from wired to hunt hello hello ryan old cow callhan and Chester, the investor, is here as well. Not only that, but we have Luke Combs joining us. And I'll point out, too, that this special drop, this special episode, is sponsored by Columbia PFG. If you're thinking to yourself, what the hell does that stand for? It stands for Columbia Performance Fishing Gear,

proud protector of the skin on your back and the waters you love. They are backers of captains for clean water, and they make a lot of great stuff to help you stay out in the sunshine without destroying your skin and then winding up being my age and having, you know, it helps to keep dermatologists from needing to, like, whittle away little parts of you. I have a great super terminal tackle, vented hoodie.

I used to run around in the sun all the time in a t-shirt or nothing, and I never wore hearing protection when I shot firearms, and those are two things I'm trying to correct as I get old. It's too late, but I'm trying. It's better late than never

it's true luke you wear your uh black isn't it like a black um fishing shirt for like most of your concerts yeah i wear the yeah like all of them literally it's kind of like the only thing i wear um performance uh you know it's the bahama 2 uh the black bahama two is what i've been wearing that's your concert yeah like literally every show for seven seven years wow kind of like a lucky pair underwear wow yeah just have the one though that's it's just this starting to you know after after thousands of shows starting to wear out a little bit, you know, Luke Combs has a new album out. Tell us about that Luke. Yeah, I do. I do. Um, it's called getting old, which I think is, is fitting. Um, you know, uh, I don't know, I guess for me, it's just a bit of,

you know, everyone's like, man, you're 33, you're not getting old, you know? And I was like, well, it's more of, I guess coming of age, right. Would have been kind of the thing. Right. So I've been married, you know, and I was like, well, it's more of, I guess, coming of age, right, would have been kind of the thing, right, so I've been married, you know, for, you know, coming up on three years now, been with my wife for seven, you know, we got second kid on the way, I get first one at the house, you know, and just, I don't know, life is, life is changing in a lot of ways. And I really want to, you know, continue to grow with my fan base and write songs that I'm passionate about, that I feel like speak to, you know, my life and where it is now. And I think that probably correlates pretty strongly

to where a lot of my fans' lives are at as well. And so I just want to always kind of, you know, continue to be, to be true to myself. And, you know, as I, as I keep putting music out and, um, this album is kind of the first step in that direction for me.

As someone who is legitimately getting old. Um, I'd like to point out that the care that the getting old person, the character, the representation of Luke still has a little fight left in him. I mean, come on. Oh, for sure. He's got a little get up and go left in him.

It's just not quite as aimless as it once was. Absolutely, man. Absolutely. It's more focused. What's the best song on the album, Luke? Your opinion. You got one. Just one.

I think it's that one. If I could only pick one. I think it's that one. If I could only pick one, I mean, my favorite, I don't know, probably maybe like Where the Wild Things Are is great. I think Back 40 Back for me is up there. God, there's a bunch, man. I love them all, dude. It's a hard question for me when i listened when i listened to the album in its entirety the first time i texted luke and i

was uh pleasantly surprised surprised that he covers uh tracy chapman's fast car yeah classic tune there yeah and uh i thought i thought i thought it was a good move, man. I liked it. Did Dan and Reed help you with a few of these? Yeah, Dan and Reed have written. I think Reed's got two or three on here. I think Dan has like six, I think, on here. So yeah, they helped me out quite a bit, for sure. If you look up, so Luke's going to stick around. You're going to help us out with the etiquette take on it.

I'll tell you the stories, and then you got to work up what your suggestion is. But we wanted to point out, Corinne typed in chaticate into the Urban Dictionary. Is that what dictionary this is? Yeah. It looks like it, yeah. But it was drafted in June 16, 2021, which means we'd already come up with Chattaket by then. Wouldn't that be true? I think so. Yeah, it's been 20...

That would have been right around it. Almost two years. So the Australian thing is not that far off. It's cheticate. It's not a real wordsmith to put it together, but that's bad cheticate, man. Or that's bad cheticate, mate. Meaning to be a knob or a see you next Tuesday in social situations.

Them being very free and easy with that particular expression in that part of the world. Okay. Here's our first ethical conundrum. It involves, it's called your ex-wife's new husband. Ooh. He's already rich. Now you got fans. You know it's going to new husband. Ooh. He's already rich. Now you got fans.

You know it's going to be bad. Wow. Okay. Guy goes on. There's a nice piece of family-owned property. You following? Nice piece of family-owned property, large enough for four to five hunters max,

that has great deer and small game hunting, but a limited amount of said game. During the divorce, it's decided that the land will stay with the husband so that the near adult kids can continue to use it with the clause that if the land ever gets sold, then 50% of the profit goes to the ex-wife. Subsequently, the ex-wife remarries and the new husband is a public land hunter who's licking his chops at the chance to hunt some new private land. So even though the ex-wife tells the new husband he can hunt the property because it's half hers does the etiquette question fall on the ex-husband to allow or not allow the new

husband to hunt the property or it doesn't fall on the new husband this becomes very loaded well it it sounds like i'm not done with the question. Well, can we clarify something real quick? I've got a question too. Can I finish? Go ahead. Can I finish the question? I got the answer already, so... I'm going to finish the question.

Yeah. Because it becomes... So far, it's done a pretty good job, right? But then it becomes loaded. Does the adequate question fall on the ex-husband to allow or not allow the new husband to hunt the property? Or does it fall on the new husband to do the right thing and just stay off the property? There's our answer. Dude, I think legally, I mean, first off, no shot this guy's getting on this.

There's no shot. There's no scenario I'm letting this guy on this place in any way, right? There's no shot. And legally, as long as it doesn't get sold, it's the ex-husband's, right? Legally. That's what they agreed to. Yeah, that's what it said. So I think the etiquette's not even in the question.

I think it's legal sense of like yeah i mean there's a chance dude there's a little there's a little bit of etiquette in there with the the the husband who actually owns it the the first dude in the picture like being a nice guy but still he's he's dating his You don't need to be nice to your ex-wife's husband. No. Not that nice. There's your question that there's a dynamic that's much bigger than we can speculate on, but let's say there's a split and the former couple's trying to be amiable. They're trying to...

I mean, there would be a scenario... I don't think that's what they're shooting for here, Clay. That doesn't sound like it. You know what we mean, there would be a scenario. I don't think that's what they're shooting for here, Clay. It doesn't sound like it. You know what we need with all these is a state. We need to know what state it is. I think it would make a big difference. I'm going to speak to the, for my answer, I'm going to speak to the ex-husband, and I'm going to ask, if you're listening out there,

and you're the ex-husband, I'm going to ask this question. The answer to this question is the answer to this conundrum if you remarry and your new wife okay says i'd sure like to go out there hunting with you are you gonna say no that's the only thing that to me that's it if he says no way in hell i'd let my new wife hunt that place it's for our near adult kids but did they then fair if he's like oh no my my new wife can hunt it but my ex-wife's new husband no way then that i think that's a that's a it's a double standard yeah but he owns it though right it's his yeah didn't he have more share in it it's not solely for the use of the children he owns it so that the children can use it, right?

That's what it sounded like, yeah. So can he not hunt it either? Can he hunt it by himself? Yeah, I gather he can hunt it with the near adult kids. Let's put it to vote. Cal, what do you think about this? Not worth it. Like, just not worth it.

Go find someplace else to hunt you're speaking to the new husband yeah honestly the whole group it's like it sounds so like it's mentally it will be far easier and your successes will be far greater if you do not step foot on this place donate it to somebody right Donate it to conservation Yeah Alright To clarify, these aren't hypotheticals These are real life situations

These are real life situations There's a real husband and ex-husband dealing with this right now Oh, there's a whole show called Yellowstone That is dealing with this right now I think So, is there an answer in there? The answer, I think, like, if you, okay, there's two questions.

Let's put it this way. There's an answer for the new husband. My answer for the new husband, my answer for the new husband is I wouldn't go there. Agreed. No. My answer for the ex-husband is if you would take, again, if you would allow your new wife to hunt it, you should let her new husband hunt it.

But I think you do that with the assumption going in there, but he'll never take me up on it. I think you would be like, well, the nice thing to do would be to say, yeah, sure. But in the back of your mind, you're thinking, I'm sure he will realize I'm just trying to be nice, and he will back away because of how awkward this whole situation would be. Well, he is, quote, licking his chops. Man.

Yeah, I mean, maybe they like each other, though. Who knows? Do you want anybody hunting your land? They wouldn't be emailing us this question if that was the case. I think this would be a way better show. Corinne should have all these people in. The new husband, the old husband. Like a Jerry Springer show.

It would be a Jerry Springer show. Exactly. Dr. Phil. Okay, so let's, Doug Duren sharing the land this. Okay. These folks set up a share system based on the calendar year. They have their primary shareholders, which are the near adult children. The near adult kids.

Which it's like, what's the syndrome where they stay in the nest forever? I know, empty nest. Yeah, the failure to launch. That's what we're dealing with here. Anyway, they're your primary shareholders. They agree on a certain amount of equity, let's say, that can be purchased by putting in sweat, you know, mitigating noxious weeds taking down old tree stands maybe some controlled burning something fun like that that buys them shares in the remaining calendar

year that the primary share shareholder doesn't this sound like fun to everybody yeah i mean you're like really assuming a lot of you know like, like a, it's a big ask. Oh, for sure. But it's, to me, it'd be way easier than like, oh boy, I wonder what people will think of this. Oh, he actually took me up on it. Oh, do you think it's right that he invited her out? I mean, ugh, I turned my back on the whole thing. Yeah, the more I think about it,

I only have a message for the new husband. Sounds like a nightmare, for sure. My message for the new husband is to just go the other direction, man. Yeah. Yeah. Here's one that won't take any time. It's interesting.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I got it. New husband, go buy yourself a sweet walleye or bass boat like top of the line all the stuff make sure there's a couple other seats that go completely unoccupied in it and just take lots of pictures of your your days out on the water by yourself with empty seats around you yeah i like that when ice fishing and you see a guy gal just slaying fish i can picture this and they pack up and leave how long should you wait before sliding into fish the hot spot zero zero zero time yeah because somebody else is probably gonna be running right for it i would do less than waiting i'd be over there oh you guys are packing up yeah are you all about to leave what

you catching them on right i mean you do understand that you're uh exchanging a little bit of uh dignity you're eating some humble pie in exchange for fish. For the hot hole. Yeah. Which is fine. You know, I would probably go over, if I found myself in that situation, I know Cal does this, like you just go up and talk to those fellas and, you know,

you guys leave it and hop right in there. Yeah. That's why I always like, that's why I had kids. If you have kids, even when you see, like when they're slaying, you might go up and you can put it on

and you'd be like, hey, you know, my kid would really love to catch a fish, man. If you guys are getting out of here, if you wouldn't mind letting me know so I can help my kid catch a fish. Right. you put all that on the kid okay here's one called calling for fun spring gobbler came in here in upstate south carolina april 1st for the last two weeks every

morning after i drop two of the three kids off at school, I take the cut road home where I know turkeys are often in a vast crop field. His choice of words, vast crop field. I'll pull over, put the windows down, and call to them for a while to see if I can get them fired up. Totally understandable. I did that yesterday. Signed, Luke Combs. Yeah.

I'll pull over, put the windows down, get them fired up. This is a large private ag field that, as far as I can tell, has no interest in hunting these birds. I think what he means is, as far as you can tell, no one's hunting the birds. The other day when the season came in, I pulled over to throw some calls out when I noticed a truck on the other wooded side of the road,

which is a different property. I figured it to be a hunter after some birds. What would be the cheticate with regards to me calling for fun off a public road to birds out in the field when there is a hunter somewhere in dem woods trying to bag one can can he hunt that field it sounds like this guy has no way of knowing no the answer is simple then yes then then i, why mess with it? During the season. Yeah.

I think before season, Luke combs it and you can do that. But when season starts, you got to back out. You can't be calling on other people's birds just for fun. Especially when there's a guy sitting out there trying to target. Especially, you know, he's calling the same birds. It's not like there's,'s you know he's trying to get the same birds to the spot he's at and you're out there just on the way to work like sending them the other direction dude best case scenarios the birds come there's nothing you do anyways right yeah you can't do anything so why you know that that was the idea.

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on x maps.com slash meet on x maps.com slash meet welcome to the to the on x club y'all here's a trickier one i like this one better it's called family members mooching this takes place near uh this guy says he's not far from bubbly doug's farm in southwest wisconsin and in fact he has met bubbly doug he says my family has owned a farm in southwest Wisconsin for over 100 years. People always like to... I'll just make a comment.

Quick comment here. I don't know that that matters. But anyhow, there is a brushy ditch. Means he's proud of it, Steve. Oh, I know. I know what he's getting at here. I know where he's going with this.

There is a brush Pay attention here This gets geographical There is a brushy ditch That sets up nicely for deer drives Or mooches Every year we seem to push A nice buck out and have killed Many out of this small, easy drive over the years,

usually after opening day pressure pushes them into this ditch. A few years ago, my dad sold a number of acres as he's nearing retirement, and this ditch and pasture were part of that sale. Here's where it gets complicated, folks. He goes on to say this, and I'm quoting, My uncle, and then a parenthetical, and neighbor, was aware of the sale and also well aware of this particular deer drive. My interpretation, and Chester and i discussed this my interpretation

is even though the family has done this deer drive historically my interpretation is this uncle has not been part of this deer drive so even though he's saying my family does this deer drive on this brushy ditch i'm i'm gathering here and analyzing it uh with chester or he was allowed to hunt it and he just we gotta just go with one dude because it can't be both because it's way different yeah so retract what you said take that back apologize we can we can analyze that down the road but like it gets because you know what I mean yes there there in lies the the therein is the thing yeah we'll tackle both we'll tackle both but if you don't mind I'd like to for you to start it already sounds semi-legal whatever we're getting it already sounds

shady my uncle and neighbor was aware of the sale and also well aware of this particular deer drive we have done for the past few decades and aware of its success. The very first year after the sale. Not only that, the very first day of deer season. So they historically waited till later in the season. The uncle, on the first day of the new year after the sale, the first day of deer season after the sale, goes to the new buyer and says, Hey, can I do a deer drive in the brushy draw we just sold you? Sure. And he busts in there and does the drive and doesn't include anyone else scumbag dude big time sounds like uncle might not be a great hunter too

sounds like yeah or like in the family really even he says christmas has never been the same since that fateful deer drive. I mean, at least invite the family. There's nothing wrong with him asking permission to go do it. He kind of beat him to it. Yeah, because he could have been the hero of the family. Yeah. He could have been like, guess what, everybody?

I got us all permission to go do the. That's a good point. He could have been like, man, I know everybody's been super bummed out since dad had to sell the place. But we still got it. But I went and talked to the guy and everybody, guess what? We could continue the deer drive. Right. But it feels like he may be taking vengeance out for, like you're saying, having never been a part of the deer drive. That's what it now sounds like to me.

There's another thing that could be, you see, you know, if these folks are listening, um, Lauren, Laramie, Laramie's listening.

You better not be leaving out some details here. Yeah. Is it shaky? Uncle Dave, you know, a guy who's super dangerous to hunt with. Oh, no safety,

Dave. That guy. Oh yeah. Like my kids will come running home about how they got yelled at by some old man. Out of nowhere, out of the blue. He must just hate kids. I'm like, so, what happened?

Well, you know, we were in his yard with our bows and Gordy shot it over toward his house. And by and by, he yelled at us to get out of his yard. Like, okay, that makes a little... You know, I think your point is well taken there, Steve, because it's real clear that the way the story's told

and it's been presented that this guy, it's like, yeah, he was shady. But if you had that guy in here, he might be the sane one of the bunch and say, you know what? I had, you know, I mean, there's a thousand different ways this could go. And you could take a kind of a character assessment and he might be like, you know what?

Those guys were outlaws and they were killing more deer than they should and they were doing this and we never liked that. We always wanted to manage the land. I mean, he might have a story. It's possible. It's possible.

Maybe the uncle's an altruist in that we haven't talked about where he's pushing this drive. Maybe he's going to drive the deer back onto the family property that's remaining. And that was my kind of lingering question was like, did he not even call anyone to say hey heads up right because sometimes you get permission and you're not even prepared for permission right like oh i bumped into the person at the post office right and they said hey my family comes out next week if you want to hunt you can hunt tomorrow but just you and just you just you. Right? And you're like, Right.

It does happen. That's true. That's true. Or how about this? Let's say the dad, let's say the uncle, used to own that place. But the dad came over his place and tripped and fell on the ice

and did a dirty lawsuit and won that land back unfairly point being interesting we don't we don't know any more than what we got to see here there's a lot of takes what we got but what we have to go by complicated by what we have to go by just what that's it by the version that we have heard um that the the uncle's a blowhard does does chester get a final say on any of these given that this is cheticate yeah yeah that's yeah we could do that i would declare a winner yeah i'm just putting myself in uh uncle's shoes and uh i would definitely invite the family to do that deer drive at least give them a heads up or explain my situation and not just go out there and do it because if it was like oh i'm the

only one that can do this drive but be ready because you guys know where they're gonna run like mark was saying yeah um yeah just let them know communicate it's really easy but there's another marriage. Good marriage advice. This is great advice, Chester, but if you're the uncle, there also begs the question. You're the uncle for a minute. Why did you go ask permission to hunt the ditch? Because I really like deer hunting, and it's a good deer tribe.

Okay, here's a good one. This is one of those. I honestly don't know the answer to this, but I'm developing an opinion. Ready for this? Ready. And again, Chester will have the final say. Checking other folks' trail cams. I'm sure Mark's got it.

This has got to be a thing Mark knows about. So, situation. We place trail cams on public land as part of our scouting process while doing this every once in a while we'll find another hunters camera we usually hike around with a small laptop while placing ours so the question is ding ding would it be bad etiquette to open the other guys or gal's camera and take a look at the card and then place it back, leaving no trace. Meaning, it's on public land. What do you think, Mark?

Yeah, so my take is that that is porch etiquette, in my opinion. Yeah, it might not lead to some kind of negative outcome because it's still there but how many times for those who use cameras have you turn one on and off took a card out put it back in and something goes wrong with the settings like you're just risking some kind of issue and it just feels kind of dirty like you're pulling up someone else's hood and looking in and just interfering with something that's not yours. And who knows, this person might have just stumbled upon this trail camera and looks at the pictures. And the next thing you know, he's like, holy cow.

And he's now in your hunting spot. And you put all the work in to put that camera out. I'd like to ask the guy that rolled in. I'd say this to him. I'd be like, let's say you park your truck on public land and you come back and there's a guy kind of sitting in your truck going through everything yeah he's like i'm not taking anything man i'm not taking anything some public land bro i do ask folks who are big into trail cams why they put the trail cams out i'm like

you know it's a great hunting spot. You've shot big deer there. Why would you advertise to other people that you have an interest in that spot? They're probably not that far along yet. I'm like, you're kind of running the risk of somebody pulling up your hood and taking a look inside, right? What I've done in a couple of situations

with trail cameras is I've put, I've written, I've got a picture on my phone of riding with a black marker on a trail camera on public land. You write on the camera?

I wrote my name and my phone number. And I said, please don't steal. I'll share the pictures with you if you call me. I had a lock on it. Oh.

Your own camera. I thought a lock on it. Oh. Your own camera. I thought you were... My camera on public land in a locked box that they could have beat off a tree and stolen or something. And I wrote on there my phone number, and I said, if you find this trail camera and you don't steal it, call me. I'll share all the pictures.

Have you ever gotten a phone call? Never got a picture. I did have somebody come up and check it. Like I just saw their legs. And they actually didn't have a lock on the camera at the time. On the box.

They opened it up, took the camera out, and then put it back. He very well may have checked it. I did the name and phone number on a camera of mine like a decade ago, and it did get stolen. They stole it. They returned it to Cabela's to get money for it.

And then Cabela's, after taking that return, looked on the back of the camera, saw the name and number, and called me and said, Hey, I think someone stole your camera, and we have it here at the store. And I got it back. What? Really? Yep. That'd be a good way to double how. And I got it back. What? Yeah. Really? Yep.

That'd be a good way to double how many cameras you got. True. True. Tell your buddy, go return this camera. So Chester, what's the final thing? Check them or don't check them? Don't check them, man. It just feels dirty.

I like Clay's little thing, lock it and put a name on it it's kind of like here i am you know it's very similar to the if you find somebody else's tree stand on public land you go sit it and i feel the same way about it i'm not going to touch if it's a permanent yeah it's like in the old days when you used to just nail them up there out of wood i think that's that just that's that becomes part of the tree in my view. Sure. But I mean if someone puts a hang on and climbing sticks I know some people go and sit in somebody else's stand but I

feels the same way to me. What's your view on leaving tree stands in public land? I would say not having like a moral take on it but just it doesn't seem practical to me because you're risking people coming in, taking it, or doing what Cal just mentioned, like seeing your spot and being like, oh,

someone else thought this was good. Yeah, I say poor etiquette on leaving the camera, but I also want people, I want people to understand it's like, by putting that out there, you have already given them something. Mark, one of the

best ones that we ever got was a guy who was in sort of a tree stand duel with someone where they each had climbers latched onto a tree. And he was practicing a certain sort of etiquette where he would always attach his down below the same tree. Yeah. So if he hunted the tree, he would move his stand down below as a courtesy so that the other guy would be able to climb and not have to undo his. Like a climber's stand.

And the guy wouldn't return the courtesy. And how they were supposed to sort that out. So many of these have to do with this. That's amazing. Here's one guy says, Dear Chet, I would like your opinion the subject

is when your hunting buddy never invites you hunting. There's your sign. Do we need no more? We do not. We do not. Moving on. Dear Chet, I would like your opinion on a quandary I have with a hunting buddy

a while ago we started upland bird hunting together neither of us had a dog so that first season was pretty tough by the following season i had a bird dog and we started to do much better about that time he started waterfowl hunting. My issue is that he always asked to go hunting with me and my dog, and I've even been nice enough to change my plans to make it easier for him to come. However, he has never once invited me to go waterfowl hunting with him. And this is sticking in my craw. He isn't shady about going. He'll send me pictures of the ducks he kills.

I've dropped hints that I'd like to go, but still no invite. I was raised to believe it's bad manners to invite yourself along. It's been 10 years. You don't have a hunting buddy. You have a hunting parasite. Yeah. What if he doesn't have, like, what if he's not, like, obviously he's leeching off this dude's dog,

so you think he's not just leeching off the duck dudes or whatever? Like, is he going to hunt on his own? Because if he's hunting with somebody else, they might be like well don't invite anybody else oh that's what i mean but that's he's watching but again that's leeching off the dog we know that goes beyond what we know okay so the person writing in now you suckers who've written in here um you gotta understand if you think you're gonna be emboldened here you gotta understand that we're going off what you told us and if you think you're gonna be emboldened here

you gotta understand that we're going off what you told us and if you're leaving out important details you gotta live with it but Luke 10 years they've had 10 years of early morning truck rides together late night

truck rides home like you can't bridge the gap on like so tell me about your duck hunting situation yeah that's true you're right like what's going on like that's true man maybe just ask man you know what i mean you don't ask to go and there's there's there's also trades in hunting that aren't fair it's's like if somebody's like, hey, Clay, come squirrel hunting with me. And I go squirrel hunting with them and kill like four squirrels. And they're like, hey, now you owe me a bear hunt. And it's like, well, I mean, do I?

I mean, there's definitely some stuff in here that is probably left out. You know? But we only got it. We can only go by it. I know. But I just can only help myself to think like we gotta assume we gotta assume that the the the the person on the other end of the story isn't hearing the answer okay so we're we're talking to the person that wrote in and if they

have missed key pieces of stuff that's on them yep because unlike a you know like a trial right everybody comes in and you get to fish it all out yeah but here it's just that's what you got to go by but 10 years i mean 10 years is a lot i have people in my life uh that we you know started in a very similar fashion of like, hey, have you tried this spot? Have you tried that spot? And this kind of scenario has played out where it's like, I'm happy to lend gear.

I'm happy to point people in the right direction. I'm happy to have you along. But eventually, I would say like four or five seasons max, if none of those favors are, they don't need to be returned, but they absolutely need to be offered. Yeah. They have to be offered. If that doesn't happen, then it's like you got to cut ties.

One lesson I've picked up as I've gotten older, I think when you're young, like at high school, whatever, you and your buddies, you share a lot of gripes, right? I mean, that's the age when you like actually get in fights with your buddies. Like you get like, it's not uncommon to get like in a physical fight with your, your friend, right. At that age. And I think you enter into a long time of just out of respect or not wanting to make

waves. You leave a lot unsaid. Um, but I don't, I think there would be a way for this guy like you said in the 10 in the 10 years for this guy to say man i there's been something on my mind um i just gotta ask you uh how come we don't hunt ducks together yeah you remember after 10 years i think nine years ago yeah yeah i felt like it's i felt like after 10 years man you gotta be able to ask you know what i mean like you get like you should definitely feel uh confident in asking this dude what what the deal is yeah it's because the worst you're gonna lose is you're gonna lose

the guy that won't take you he's gonna to be like no I'm never going to take you duck hunting on all these I find myself kind of rooting for the underdog a little bit because I think that there's a reason for this I would think I mean maybe the guy goes man I'm a member of a duck club that cost me

you know 15 grand a year and I can't take people like there's got to be but i think he would have included that yeah does he split gas with you like that's i mean there's with there's some character things here that we just can't get into you know i just i just wrote an article first article that i wrote for the meat eater website and it was like how to be a good fishing partner and there's like a lot of little things in there you know and if people stop doing that stuff you're just not going to get

invited invited back but i mean in this particular case i think the guy should maybe i don't think they're actually that great of friends um maybe i don't know if if there's not able to communicate and if he's not getting invited i don't know maybe maybe there's not able to communicate and if he's not getting invited i don't know maybe maybe consider trying to find a new duck hunting partner well oh luke you know i keep forgetting to tell you that you ought to have floating around the back of your head chester here uh he's opening up for um trampled by turtles again and again And the show that he's opening for Instantly sold out Not instantly

Shit That's a little much I think it's because Bozeman's shows sell out quick Not because of me in particular Don't include all those details Chester Luke it instantly sold out I love it

What's the biggest place you could play at? I think that was the place. Dallas Cowboy Stadium. Yeah, MSU. The college. Yeah. Okay, Ramp Chatticott. That's the name of this question.

A buddy of mine, this is a good one. I know the answer, but it's a good one. A buddy of mine is a big-time duck hunter. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter how big-time he is. A buddy of mine is a big-time duck hunter. We work overnight on the weekends. I can't tell if that matters.

About a month or so ago, whenever the last day of duck season was for him, he left work early at 3 a.m. so he could go duck hunting. He hunts out of a kayak that he strapped to the roof of his car. He got to the boat launch

and there was a huge line of guys with real boats on trailers waiting to launch. Instead of waiting in the line and having to paddle out after all these guys with engines, he pulled off on the side of the public road, then carried his kayak and gear a half mile to the ramp. His whole walk down there, guys were honking and messing with him. But I don't think he was in the wrong. Was he in the wrong to pull off and skip the line? Again, if there's no other stuff left out, this guy is absolutely not in the wrong, man.

He carried his kayak a half mile, parked out of the way. I have to say, as long as it doesn't interfere with the loading and unloading of boats at the ramp. Yeah. Absolutely. Which it sounds like he'd beat the system. It wouldn't. It's like, if he walks down that line and sticks his thing off to the side, it's none of your business!

Picture the other extreme. Picture he's hunting on foot. Should he just stand there and slowly walk up? Or he's swimming. foot should he just stand there and slowly walk up or he's swimming should he stand right i ran into a guy just in our parking lot there it is a guy on a bike there's a whole line of cars waiting to leave the parking lot here i don't know what was going on whole line of cars there's a guy in the line on a bike i get out of my my truck and he's like, what this world needs is more cars. And, and, uh,

you know, I engaged with him. I engaged with him, but what'd you say? Well, I said everything, but what I wanted to say, which is why are you waiting in line with all the cars?

Why are you pretending you're in a car? You're on a bike. Enjoy its freedom. Like go up to the intersection and leave. Like, why are you standing in line car you're on a bike enjoy its freedom like go up to the intersection to leave like why are you standing in line behind six cars yeah the guy on the bike is like always the first guy at the red light i feel like i wouldn't be here talking to me i'd be so far down the road by now because i'd have gone out and ridden down the sidewalk passed everybody up and went about my business yeah only in bozeman. Only in Bozeman, Montana.

Yeah, I was like, your problem is you think you're in a car but you're on a bike. So boat ramp, as long as you are not slowing down somebody else's day, it sounds to me like you made everybody's day faster. Good job, kayak guy.

Kayak guy wins. Anything to say on that one? I agree completely with what I think everyone else agrees with here. Kayak guy for the win. I'm going to ask you just one, Chester. It's a minor and you're the only one that can reply. A guy's got a big case of the ass about people that you're backing your boat down a ramp and you leave your headlights on.

So the other dudes trying to use the ramp are blinded by your headlights. He's like, do you think to turn your lights off? Well, so what are you talking? Is it like a double ramp? Yeah. It's a double ramp. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think could turn turn your lights off but it is nice to have um like some backup lights on so you can actually see on the sides of the ramp

sometimes your trailer lights aren't enough you know what i mean when you flip your actual lights on it like lights it up a little better for the other guy it would have never occurred to me to shut them off i think they're just talking about busier boat ramps than, than what I've been dealing with. I mean, when I read this one, I was like, oh yeah,

that, that makes total sense. That's, that's great. Cause I, I've, I've had some, some issues in non boat ramp scenarios with people leaving their high beams on,

or just like those new fancy, you know, modern headlights that people run that are seem to be shockingly bright but yeah i'm trying to remember like at these at these tournaments when it's a double ramp if i if i shut my lights off or not and i i don't think i mean are you doing are you getting in before daylight does do other people's lights bother you i mean that seems like the thing that you would be not noticing i mean not any more than like just driving the car down the road because i backed up boats so much that it's like

i don't know dude i say get over it dude if you're mad about somebody's headlights being in your eyes for like 30 seconds dude maybe you're not tough enough to back a boat down a public i mean she's so sensitive i think dude that's that's a little too much for me i don't buy it i don't buy that one okay this. This one's called Land Borders and Tree Stands. This is the, like, of the etiquette questions that we've gotten, I would say, what percent have to do with something to do with tree stands? A decent amount. Yeah, it seems like 50%.

I've hunted a certain 60-acre piece of Agriculture woods ground for whitetail deer In western New York for five years now Doesn't matter I have That's good Five years whatever He's not like for 18 generations I have Sole permission

From the owner Points out that it's his girlfriend's grandparents I wonder if that causes him to stay with that girlfriend. Depends how good of a property it is. It's not not a factor. No. You're like, he was like, I don't know, man. Sometimes I feel like

breaking up with my girlfriend. And he's on the fence, but he's like, yeah, I mean, it's like, how many Boone and Crockett's are coming out of western New York ag land, though? Like a bunch? Not a bunch, but it just might be the best he's got to work with. It's probably the way Daniel Boone felt when he went into Kentucky that first time. He's like, man, it's good hunting, but it's pretty sketchy.

I have sole permission from the owner. Nobody got that. No, I got it. It was good. Okay. I have sole permission from the owner, girlfriend's grandparents, and have had to kick the neighbors to the east of the property off, as well as ask them to remove their stands and cameras

multiple times. There's one stand in particular that I'd like your opinion on. There is a cattle fence on said east side of the property that divides land ownership. This tree stand is a ladder stand, and the bottom of the ladder is on their tree.

The bottom of the ladder is on their side of the fence. But the tree they... Dude, I hate these. The bottom of the ladder is on their side of the fence, But the tree they... Dude, I hate these. The bottom of the ladder is on their side of the fence, but the tree they use is on my side of the fence. I've never asked them about moving it because at the end of the day,

they don't kill any deer in that spot or on that property in general because they're not good hunters. Should I be concerned that one day they will kill a big one out of that tree stand? So should I just ask them to move it now? Cut the tree down. With them in it, too.

Firewood season. It's your tree. It's your girlfriend's grandparent's tree. Cut it down. Game over. Don't even have to worry about it. Chetakit. We've selected that tree for firewood.

It's diseased, obviously. There's a whole thing. There's other ones that we didn't do that we just kind of skimmed by. In human psychology, I don't care how many acres you give somebody. If there's a property boundary, you're going to put a stand on that line. Grass is always greener. Because you're like, they got to have a lot of deer on the neighbor's place. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'd like to hear Mark's take on this. I hate these ones. Like I said, property boundary, tree stands. I'm going to give mine two cents. Yeah. like to hear mark's take on this is just prop i can't i hate these ones like i said property boundary tree stands and i'll get my i'm gonna give my two cents yeah my two cents is they're the neighbors you you're in the right on a lot of it but you got to sort of be like how far do i really push this meaning if all my ass have been reasonable and they've gone along with it, do I need to now come to them with a thing where they're going to be like,

Oh, what'll, what'll he, you know what I mean? Like, do you really need to like, just push it and push it and push it to a point where you invite, uh,

conflict. And this guy's in a beautiful spot because he's not even, they're not his neighbors so what's he care it's his girlfriend's grandparents neighbors so like i guess if he does force the issue i don't know it's weird to me like if your stand is ultimately in my tree but i've been given permission to hunt a bunch of places i have never been given permission to run off the neighbors. Right? So are you getting sole permission to hunt,

or are you getting sole permission to hunt and manage the land as a legal representative of the landowner? But I mean, wouldn't sole permission to hunt it give you the right to push off people that were illegally hunting it without permission i would seems like it definitely have the talk with the girlfriend's folks in order to yeah and yeah i mean i'd be like hey other folks are hunting this is that okay with you did somebody give him permission down the line? What's going on here, right? But are you really gonna, I mean, yeah.

The neighbors are in the wrong, but I think to Steve's point, like, is it worth fighting this any further, and what are you possibly gonna lose? Like, you're possibly gonna get this, you know, they can move three feet over and, you know. But is it gonna be worth whatever bridge you're going to further burn? Yeah, we don't mind our neighbors back in Wisconsin hunting the property lines

because our property is managed much more for deer and everything. And if anything, they're not smart about getting to their stands. If anything, what it does is help us out because it pushes deer to the middle of your place it pushes deer and it keeps them kind of in it's almost like a fence in a way i guess here's a here's a permission quick permission story we we got permission and have had permission on a, on a little pond to duck hunt for ever. Um, we went in there to duck hunt. The actual landowner got a call from the neighboring property, uh, accusing us of

doing all sorts of, uh, you know, everybody thinks they're the center of the universe. Right. So if you're hunting ducks on one property, of course, they're manifesting ways that what your actions are doing are harming them in some way right so um there was that call to land and he's like i don't i hate dealing with those guys they're always rude blah blah blah blah blah and and and he allows them to hunt the same pond on occasion as well. And I said, well, why don't you let us take, take care of it? You know, we can go have that talk with him or

whatever. And he's like, well, I get to run cattle on this chunk of ground in between my other two properties that they own. Right. And it's just kind of a, a thing. So I'd, I'd, it's worth it to him to put up with the weird hunting stuff on occasion because it makes life so much easier on the actual agriculture part of the conversation, right right the neighborly agreement type of things and so that's why i do think of like okay you got permission to hunt but that's not necessarily permission to manage the property as a whole because there could be the neighbors

could very well be under the impression that oh oh yeah, we never asked for permission to hunt, but we give the parents all these liberties on our place. And it's just kind of a known thing, even though they've never had the conversation. Right. So that's why I'm like, talk, talk with the folks. Yeah. And know specifically that you are able to say, Hey, hunting season, you guys can't be on here. Yeah.

If this letter had come from a grandpa saying, Hey, I'm a grandpa and I own some land and these neighbors got a tree stand on my tree. That's different. Oh yeah. All right, Luke, you got time for one and a half more. Oh yeah, of course. My Chatticot question is, I live in a state where i can legally harvest two whitetail bucks one with a firearm one with archery equipment i wounded and lost a buck

that i am positive died during firearm season the reason i'm not saying anything is i'm just wondering how positive and why he's positive right like how can you be positive is he positive because he saw it laying dead on the neighbor's place and the neighbor wouldn't let him go get it or is he just thinking because of shot let's assume he's just thinking it's got to be dead okay right he hasn't seen it but he's saying like there's no way it lived i then shot another buck and harvested it during the same firearm season. There is a late archery season. Would it be wrong to shoot another buck with my archery tag?

Or should I consider both of my bucks being already tagged? A friend and I had a conversation about this. He thinks I have killed my two bucks and I should be done. But legally I can shoot another buck so i don't see the problem i mean it's a can you live with yourself question dude that's what it is right a little bit i mean legally right but we're talking about i called the legal forgot right it's not the legal i think i i think i not the legal show. I think I'd be out. Personally, I think I'd be out.

I don't think I'd do another one. Best practice ethics, highest level ethics is, yeah, you're out, because the intent of the law is that you kill two deer. But also there might be a situation when the year before, when you passed on four bucks that everybody else could have shot but you didn't and you needed the deer meat and yada yada i mean there's there's a lot of things that might that could make you go you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna follow the letter of the law and yeah this this is definitely one of those kind of unwritten rule moral things and it's probably just based on the person and like how you feel

about it you know if you're shooting deer and you got your freezers full and that stuff yeah probably probably don't do it like but if you haven't if you've been out there trying to get some trying to get some meat in your freezer and you've been working your butt off, sure, go hunt. Get another deer. Do you mind if I have a guess what state that is? Maybe Wisconsin? Missouri? I always like that.

Can you take does in that state? Wisconsin? In those particular states? Yeah, all those states you could. Well, then the meat question is out of it, right? Yeah, that's a good point. does in that state wisconsin in those particular states yeah all those states you could well then then the meat question is out of it right yeah that's a good point you don't have to kill a buck to get meat you know you could just shoot a doe if you really needed me right yeah my take on it i don't see a problem with it if all respect like all respect if he's like i'm i'm sure that deer

died i'm done don't feel right about it i totally respect that i would never be like that's stupid go get another one i'd be like man that's big of you that's cool yeah but if he said you know what uh i didn't recover it i didn't tag it i still got a tag i'd be like you're absolutely right dude i don't have any problem and i think state game agencies account for a certain amount of loss in their, you know, tag allocations. So like they're assuming a certain amount of that happening anyways. And to Clay's point, I've purchased God knows how many antler deer tags that have gone unfilled. Yeah. Right. I mean, over the years.

Yeah. There's another wrinkle I'll add here for this individual to consider. There's one hunt I'm aware of and participate in. It's a big game hunt. And if you wound an animal and they don't ask you to determine how well or not well you wounded it, if you wound, you tag. So they have the ability, if they want it to be that way right they have the ability to bake that into the regulations it's not you know it winds up being like pretty honor system but it's possible for them to say if you know if you draw blood or wound an animal tag the animal that's it

you're done because it's that that that is a thing that happens. Last one. This is especially appropriate. Everybody in here, with the exception of Callahan, has kids. Luke's got one and one on the way. Chester's got a brand new baby. So here it is. He says, not sure if this qualifies as Chetakit. I think it does. But we'll ask it anyway as a new dad who also loves hunting and firearms.

A few episodes back, Steve mentioned that when his kids have friends over to play, or for a sleepover, his wife will make the other parents aware that there are firearms in the house, but they are locked up and inaccessible. That, I want want to that was true when we that was true in a particular setting we lived in seattle for a couple years and firearm ownership was not assumed and it is a very left-leaning, largely, I would say, largely borderline anti-gun area. And my wife knew that guns were highly politicized there. We weren't doing anything that we wouldn't have done. She was just pointing out they're locked in a safe and trigger locked, but they're here.

If you have a problem with that your kids shouldn't come over and be at the house because that's just what's going on in our house so heads up uh we don't do that um we don't do that where we live now because i can't think of anyone that comes over our house that you know doesn't so that was a thing we did uh he says this hadn't crossed my mind and i haven't had the chance to ask my parents if they did this or if anyone has said it to them in the past. My son just turned 10 months and hasn't had any friends sleep over yet, but I want to know for the future if this is proper Chetaket. Do people expect to be told about firearms in a home? He says that we live in southeastern Pennsylvania, right on the edge of suburban philadelphia i can see rural families

saying no shit so do we but i can also hear some you know timmy like some some kids mom being appalled by the idea of guns in the house what do you think man i think it's i think i get what you're saying about in in seattle area like doing that because they could see gun case or whatever and then go back and kind of go tattling or whatever you however you want to call it but i think as parents if you're responsible and you have these guns locked up, like actually locked up, I don't think I would say anything. One, because it might create problems and the parents might not want their kid to come over anymore or something like that when it's totally not necessary.

They should be able to. If you're going to be against guns, you know, like, I don't know. I think that if you're responsible and have it locked up, I probably wouldn't say anything. Yeah. A thing I do feel absolute on is if you've got kids around, your kids, other kids, whatever, if you've got kids around, you've got to have a tight program when it comes to gun storage. Oh, for sure, dude. If it's done tight, that was my wife's practice. I didn't argue with her too much.

I let her know that I thought it was a bit much, but it's half her house, right? She can make calls. She don't mess with me. I'm not going to mess with what she decides to tell people. I think it's a little bit beside the point if they're tucked away because it's not an issue. They can't get at them, right? Right. Yeah.

I mean, they're in a safe, especially, I mean, trigger locks as well in the safe. I mean, personally, I mean, to me, there's no point in even bringing it up. But I would say it's a person-to-person basis of like, if you feel like you need to address that with somebody and that makes you feel better about making them feel better, then do it. You know what I mean? I don't think there's any right or wrong answer. Like, you know, obviously doing the safe thing is what you should be doing. So I think that's really what's important, like you're saying. But how you approach it is really what makes you feel better you know i got a friend who actually had this happen and uh uh someone said

to his wife i'm not comfortable having my kids in a house that has guns in it and twitch's wife replied well don't come over to our house well i was gonna say, I want to know if my kids are going to someone's house that doesn't have guns. Because you're like suspicious. I'm like, you're telling me if somebody comes and robs your house while my kids aren't there? No. I don't think that the conversation needs to be had if everything's locked up, right? I have a friend who's a detective in Boise. And he lives in an area where, you know, I would say gun ownership is not assumed.

But when every single kid, this was years ago when his kids were at younger ages, found out that they're going over to the house and the dad's a cop. Every single kid had questions about guns. And when that would come up, he would then call the parents or wait until the end of the play date, you know, and then talk to the parents and say, hey, your child has a bunch of questions about guns. I'm a detective. Um, if you would like and be open to it, we can go, uh, I can show kids guns. We can take them shooting. I can go through all the proper safety things.

If, if that's something that you would be interested in. That's big. Right. But there was no assumption of like showing somebody else's child guns because, just because they asked, right? Yeah. And I always thought that that was a good move.

But I don't, you know, it's like, there's a lot of things that are going on inside the Rinella household that could be politicized in some way. Right. Do you. Like what? I have no idea. Right right but do you say like hey halloween candy here's a list of things that happen in our house just so you're aware yeah right it has nothing to do with the child's play date i did one half time have to go report to a neighbor a conversation that i got roped into where my daughter and her friend asked me

it was right after chester and his wife chester's wife had the baby and they told the whole baby story and my daughter and her friend my daughter said to me when your water breaks does it all come out of your head which led to this big long conversation that i then went to the neighbor and i said hey uh real quick so this came up me and you and my daughter and your daughter this came up and here's where the conversation uh landed just heads up in case it comes up and he says that's that's great we use real words for real things in this household so you're okay uh we've had some laughs but all joking aside man um if you've got little kids around uh and you can you can know that your kids are so disciplined and would never do something you told them not to do and not my

kids are not like that and all that um all that prideful stuff about how disciplined you and respectful your kids are. If you've got young kids running around, you have to have a storage plan for firearms. You just do. I have, uh, I'm one of the proudest dads out there that I know, but I know that oftentimes we have our kids will do a thing they're not supposed to do. Um, and any parent that's acting like that's not a thing is lying to themselves. now and then disobey as they test boundaries that they, I can't guarantee you that they wouldn't choose to test a boundary around a gun that was carelessly left out laying. You got to have a program. Luke, thanks for joining, man.

Of course. Thanks for having me, guys. Brought to you again by Columbia PFG. Luke wears it on the stage. He wears it on the water. He's wearing it on his damn hat right now. I am. I am.

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