The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 461: Bleepidy Bleep

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

Steve Rinella talks with Brody Henderson, Spencer Neuharth, Chester Floyd, Max Barta, Austin “Chilly” Chleborad, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider. Topics include: Why we need a crafty mirror expert; how Chester budgets for jigging wraps in the family expenses; wielding the priest, aka Brody’s little beating stick; rearing Atlantic Salmon in little fish raceways; a hot tip on fulfilling your college credits; when Steve got a bad grade in woodshop class; The Wildlife Society as a great and free resource for wildlife research and news; the irony of folks not actually wanting wild pigs to disappear; a grammatical correction and explanation of past participles from our very own Dr. of English, Jordan Sillars; what exactly happens during a shallow water blackout; the story behind a very old pistol with a weird trigger; our upcoming Campfire Stories #3 about the shit you found; the extinct sea creature that’s a buffalo calling stone; testicles the size of a cashew; an antler velvet-lined bra for the wife; and more. Connect with Steve and MeatEater Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's about 14 by 15 i think okay 14 by 15 yep and there's been two times i've been there's no internal walls no curtains and two times i've been in here and been startled by phil's presence or mad that he's not here and he was actually yeah i got a little earlier i was mad that he wasn't here at work but he was back there behind his array. I got to admit, I kind of like it that way. I like being a little hidden. This is the third time I brought it up.

Yeah, it's really, it's really bugging you. It's stuck in your craw. Dude, I can't even see you if I try, you know? That's right.

Well, the listeners can see me. We're kicking around either putting little pictures of Phil where he would normally be or making an – if there's any mirror specialists out there. That's a good project. I had an electrician the other day ask me if I ever needed any electrical work. He'd be happy to do it, but he was in Texas.

But if there's a mirror specialist in town that could array – I guess it would be one mirror that he's looking at. Then that mirror blasts off the wall behind him yeah and then a mirror by the muskox picks it up it sounds like a lot of work yeah we'd have to consider it from all angles too so i think this room would be mostly mirrors at the end of the day it'd be like one of those things at like county fairs that you walk into and you run into the walls. Yeah, and people that make action movies can't help but have shootouts in them.

Which one's real? Chester, can you produce that, your jig and rap again? Oh, yeah, yeah. Chester put me on to a phenomenal jig and rap bite last night. How phenomenal? We caught our limit of walley dogs.

Which is what, four or five? Yeah. Little shavers. Great eaters. Oh. Yeah. Perfect eaters. Like what Seth's saying,

when walleyes, there's no such thing as small walleyes and big ones. There's eaters and big ones. Yeah. It's like what's that saying is when walleye there's no such thing as small walleyes and big ones there's eaters and biggins yeah it's like it's a win-win eaters and biggins but the jigger is the g yeah little shavers eaters that is a lethal weapon these things are it is it really is like the odds of that walleye being just hooked in the lip are low. Well, the thing, so these are, are glide baits essentially. And any glide bait kind of has little wings on it. And it's a very sporadic darter bait.

So they go all over and the fish cannot help, but like, they're just like, see something dart by their face and pop in the mud and they go and investigate it and like kind of they kind of like hop on top of it essentially and then you go to do your your quick jig again and next thing you know when you're next thing you know you got one i'd love to have a camera down there see what's going on well you know when i used uh now that i use so for link i when i used to use lead head jigs with a big grub body on them they can catch it you know and you get fewer misses sure i've been on to like slow pitch and flutter jigs last couple years man they have a

hard time catching it like because it's moving it's like bam he misses it you'll feel him bam he'll miss it bam he'll miss it bam then he either gets bored or you hook him on the third or fourth time yeah or he gets like screw this and he just goes off looking for something easier to catch but i think they they can't grab it sure so it's too erratic yeah it's unpredictable but they sure want to bite it yeah you should get a um you should get a uh uh uh what do you call them again jig and wrap you should get a jig and wrap sponsor glide bait yeah um someone should send chester like a bunch of glide baits you just get a mold because that's like a rule on your own That's like a real cost. Chester, when he's doing his family finances, he's like rent. Tackle. Rent.

Jigging wraps. Jigging wraps. Car payments. Those are probably, what, eight bucks a pop, too? Eight, nine bucks. Yeah. Yeah. I got that one for Chester because I lost one of his yesterday.

Well, thank you, Brody. Are we going to hang this in the podcast studio? No, you can keep that. I would like to hang a big old jig and wrap down there. That's fun. Dude, we were talking about, though, they need to make some of these for when you guys are up in Alaska at the fish shack. A big one for lingcod. 12-ouncer.

Yeah, I think that I was saying, man, if you could get like a 10 or 12-ounce jig and wrap, he would do two things. One, you'd snag everybody else like he'd be like guys i'm gonna fish lines out i'm gonna fish for a while by myself yep clear the anchor and then uh the other thing is is you yeah you'd get a lot of hits yeah you gotta be you gotta be careful with them though they're dangerous this is like the number one thing, getting your fingers hooked right here. Oftentimes, I'll clip off this front hook here because rarely do you hook them on there. But anyways, jigging rat, great bait. We'll come back to something else you got sitting there that I want to talk about.

Okay. I'm holding Brody's. You're going to bring this off to Alaska? Yeah. I'm holding Brody's. Tell about this, your priest here, man. My dad made that. That's a homemade persuader, I think he called it.

We used to call him the priest. Yeah. Because it gives your last rites. Persuader. Yeah. But yeah, my dad made that. And like the late, I think I got the time frames roughly correct. But Lake Erie used to have a salmon fishery.

Like started sometime in the 60s and didn't last long, like a decade, maybe a little longer. And my dad would troll for coho like on the beaches down riggers or just between the no he was in a canoe with a little two and a half foot evan rude he just oh really like between the sandbars and stuff yeah like we just catch some nice browns 50 hundred yards off the beach i've caught some but people would catch nice browns like that troll on the beach he'd stroll spoons and like bomber plugs and shit like that. Um, and when he would catch one, he'd put a notch in that sucker. Well, I'll tell you right now. I mean, oh really?

That's like gangs in New York. Wait, is that wood or is that, is that a. Seven. No, no. It's, it's a steel rod under there. Um. He got 16. But, uh, that, that, uh.

It's satisfying. What's under there? Steel rod. What's on the outside? It's satisfying. What's under there? Steel rod. What's on the outside? It's like a baton. I don't know why he put that rubber coating on there. So he could cut notches into it, I guess. Dude, whenever Steve gets something like that in his hand, he just has this look in his eye.

Oh, yeah. Because I'm just picturing, man, like Brody, like in trivia or something. And I'm just, wham. Yep. You're wrong. But that salmon fishery, they changed their management for Lake Erie and went to Steelhead. They don't manage for salmon at all anymore. No.

Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania. Occasionally one shows up. I don't know where they're coming from, but, yeah, that thing didn't last long. They got like a six-week season for those salmon, at least like inland you know on the streams and beaches and stuff but they're not stocking the piss out they're not it's a steelhead game yeah some of the other areas in the great lakes they've really started to um

emphasize uh native lake trout right right yeah doing more around there's some of those showing around lake trout recovery not worrying so much about the Pacific Sandman. Yeah. There's all kinds of shit that like Lake Erie, I think used to have a commercial whitefish fishery. Sure. They don't anymore.

They used to have a commercial walleye fishery. Yeah. Still a fantastic walleye fishery. Oh yeah. Unbelievable. Yeah. Is it because people don't want whitefish or there are no whitefish? There, I think it has a lot to do with the pollution that was going on.

No, no, they destroyed. I mean, in the 1800s, they destroyed the sturgeon fishery. They destroyed the whitefish fishery. You know, one of the biggest things they did in the Great Lakes to ruin the fisheries in the Great Lakes, the original fisheries, is when they were logging all that, they would raft all that um they would raft all that all those trees all that white pine and stuff they would raft it and the bark would come off so in all the bays and estuaries and stream miles during that period just became covered in in in some cases over 20 feet of bark and destroyed yeah 20 feet deep oh yeah destroyed spawning habitats that was like one of many things and he had you know the tan like at that time the tanneries were horrible yeah all kinds of pollution um and so many of those fish

like the sturgeon and the white fish that were just very very sensitive to any kind of disturbance um the food sources got all screwed up. And so they started just trying to backfill it with other stuff. So when I was growing up in Lake Michigan, we had three of the five Pacific salmon. Yeah. We had pinks. Kings.

Pinks or humpies. Kings or chinook. Silvers or cohos. I never heard of them doing dogs or chum. Dog slash chum. I never heard of them doing sockeye. And then this guy up in Sault Ste. Marie worked for a long time on Atlantic's. Yeah, I think there's Atlantic's in Ontario now.

To bring in the one atlantic salmon yep and they would take these atlantics there's a thing uh i lived up there for a short period of time did a semester of school at lakespeare state university which reminds me the edmund fitzgerald let me tell you something about that in a second um up at lake state university there's this thing called the sue edison hydroelectric dam and when water comes off lake superior it drops about 23 feet i think which forms the sue rapids so superior sits i think i think it's 23 feet higher than here on okay so the connection between lake superior and hereon you know and eventually obviously goes out the saint lawrence seaway you know out into the atlantic but that drops 23 feet

through the sioux rapids into the saint mary's river which is a very short river that then flows into huron and they used to peel water off of not used to they still they peel water off of the off of lake superior on top of the falls run it through town in this like everybody calls the power canal run it through town and then and then get gain that 23 feet of drop right and blast it through this hydroelectric facility which had i don't remember how many turbines 40 or 50 turbines or whatever um one of the first articles the first article ever sold for a chunk of change was about fishing for white fish and steelhead in the discharge canals that's as far as they could get like spawning so so many mayflies it was real silty in there and there'd be these huge mayfly

hatches in that power canal and so when the mayflies were hatching there all that shit's going out that yeah through that height through those turbines and shooting back out into St. Mary's River. And so fish at the right time of year would just jam into all of these turbine outflows. And they're like these, like, it looked similar to a underpass bridge, a cone, like a half culvert, a half round culvert, just big enough to pull a boat into. You could pull a skiff into the thing. And what I wrote my article about was

my brother Danny and our buddy Dross, they pioneered this thing. I just would go with them after they pioneered it. But they would on occasion leave the bar at closing because the good turbines were coveted. And they occasion leave the bar at closing because the good turbines were coveted and they would leave the bar and just go and pull in there and sleep in there and there's a there's the eye bolt sticking out of the top and they would just tie off and it's

warm in there and you're in the dam there's probably no way they let you do this anymore and they were sleeping there and an old man let you do this anymore you got the spot and they were sleeping there and then old men who'd get up early to get the spot would get thwarted because there's college dudes up in there sleeping in half drunk and then you just lowered the rope back at day break and we would take it take a so we would the the rig they would use and again like they pioneered it i just benefited from them pioneering this whole strategy. They would take a fly rod. Remember that reel called the Martin Multiplier?

Remember to me to bring this back around to Atlantic Salmon. So there was a geared fly reel. So not one-to-one. You could take up some serious line with a martin multiplier reel you follow me what do you what the hell you call it you know i'm talking about chester i i don't know like one crank on the handle is a bunch of revolutions on the spool yeah i'm it's not ringing a bell what type it in that's not what a center pin is that's different right type in martin multiplier that's what we called them anyway we used to use the we used to do all the salmon and steelhead stuff with these these were you fishing like with a fly line or just no

hear me out all right so you would run remember that stuff called amnesia yep okay that hard mono you'd put backing on regular amount of backing and then you'd put a bunch of amnesia on there okay whatever 40 50 yards amnesia then eight feet of whatever 12 pound maxima and then a tippet depending you might use four pound maximum, six pound maximum, off that, you put split shot where the heavy maximum, the light maximum. And then, you do like a little fly.

So, for fishing this thing, that's what we'd use for steelhead and salmon too. But for fishing this thing, and then you'd use a little fly tip with a maggot. And with that amnesia, you'd lay all that amnesia in the, you'd use a little fly tip with a maggot and with that amnesia you'd lay all that amnesia in the you'd get a bunch of amnesia laid in the on the bow of the boat and you got that split shot on there so you could like you could shoot it way up into that culvert how wide was

that thing how wide was the culvert yeah it'd be about the size of that wall right there all right hit me with the dimensions of this room again phil about 14 by 15 so it may be like a 12 foot tube shoot it up into that dark tunnel because you could take that line and with all that lead on there you could just and shoot it perfectly right yeah up in there and then you'd get tight on it and you'd fall it's the water's hauling ass out of there but it'd fall and you'd be able to stand there you could stand there and look that water's so strong that current's so strong coming out of your boats you know your boat isn't a fast current your boat's swinging back and forth and if it was a clear day with the right sun you'd look down and

see whitefish and steelhead darting all around down in there. But you'd shoot it way up into the turbine in order to get down 10, 12, 14 feet down. And you'd be hooking them right under your boots. So much fun. And then when you hook one with all that current. Oh, they blast back behind you. Not exactly a purist fly fishing method. No.

Because the maggot? Yeah. Those are maggot? Yeah. Those are just multiplier reels. Multiplier reels? Yeah, like a large arbor multiplier reel. God, that was fun, man. Steve, sounds like you need a jig and wrap or something back then. Well, having jig and wrap.

Yeah. So, the university somehow, the Sue Edison electric thing had gifted a couple of these turbines to Lake State University's fisheries program. And there was a guy there at that fisheries program who was dicking around with trying to introduce Atlantics. That was back when they were still okay with introducing all kinds of crazy stuff. And he converted some of these hydroelectric channels into rearing habitat. Because he's just running actual river water. Right? He's running like high velocity river water through this thing. And you'd go in there and they'd take,

I watched her do it one time. They'd take, they'd take a bunch of row from a fish. I mean, literally in a five gallon bucket, you got a bunch of fish eggs in a five gallon bucket. You dump in like a scoop of semen, stir it up with a paddle and it's ready to go.

Yeah. Fertilized. And so they had these raceways and they would rear these Atlantics in these raceways. So we're talking like, like, I can't remember. Let's say it was 40. Someone pull up the picture. Pull up Sue Edison hydroelectric dam. You can count the turbines.

Let's say there's 40 turbines. The university owned like turbine two, three, four. And he'd raise Atlantics in one of these, in two of these turbines how are they keeping them in there that is because it was all retrofitted it was like he was just using this spot where all this natural river water to come through and i don't i can't remember how they rigged up but it just looked like these little fish tray raceways they had actual temperature controlled water coming through them and he'd rear rear Atlantics in this thing. Okay?

Is it eight? No, way more than eight. Oh, here we go. Here it is. Chester, report back in a second. Corinne, this is what the whole show is about. So,

but hear me out. I'm hearing you out. This is just going to start getting interesting now. It hasn't been yet? No. So, check hear me out. I'm hearing you out. This is just going to start getting interesting now. It hasn't been yet? No. So check this out. So it was like, turban number, I can't remember what it was.

Let's say it was turban number five was the Atlantic salmon raceway. Okay. He'd rear him in there until they were of whatever the hell size Atlantic salmon is when it goes back to the ocean and then cut him loose. This is right there. Right there. Yeah.

So you know how salmon returns to its natal spawning stream? These Atlantics would go out. Okay? And get big. Get huge. And no sons of bitches would come back and i'm not kidding you to that terminal raceway number five they had to fence it off raceway number five would be stacked with giant atlantics who were like i'm home anyone home yeah i'm not kidding you man huge atlantic salmons and then raceway

what i say five yeah okay raceway four and six would have some like two or three right raceway seven and three might have one but they were in they knew that's cool what that smelled like and they were like there and the reason they had to fence it off is because the ojibwe they had snagging rights like the native the native tribe there had snagging rights but they sort of felt like these atlantics kind of fell outside of snagging rights so they had to fence it off so they couldn't cast a snagging hook in there and drag those Land X back out of there. That's what I was getting at, right? Great Lakes Fisheries.

Oh, Brody's little beating stick. Anyway, it's a nice beating stick. Yeah. Okay, now to bring this full circle back to the Edmund Fitz. When we were doing the book tour, I don't think Brody caught this because he was off BS with with trivia fans but uh a guy comes up to me he says he's like dude what in the world is with the edmund fitzgerald thing all the time no i didn't hear

any of that you had you wanted to complain about it what'd you tell him told him i couldn't really explain it you don't he never even listened to the song He's just filing a complaint A lot of people come up to file complaints Little ones, nitpicky stuff Were you here when I told you about What someone came up to me to talk about with Corinne? I don't know They didn't even put on my glasses for this

They thought she looked smart They couldn't figure out why she did so bad at trivia And they looked at her picture and it was especially Confounding thought she looked smart. They couldn't figure out why she did so bad at trivia, and they looked at her picture, and it was especially confounding because she looked so smart. Smart in getting, you know, good scores on trivia. It says that it had 80 turbine chambers. Does that sound right? And only 40 of which were used when the plant was operated?

Yeah, that could be. That sounds about right. I like counted, but it was it was hard i can't remember the numbers but i think that we used to have a real affinity for like 24 and 26 or something like that because they were higher velocity for some reason dude i wish i yeah i'd like to go back there and hit that fishery god it was a lot of fun i was gonna ask you if you know if it's still going on there dude we're at lake state man we lived off the land seriously me and my roommates we ate four deer between deer and whitefish we ate four deer between october one archery opener and christmas break and how'd you get all that hunting and fishing done if you were

in school just didn't take the school too seriously that's why i transferred out man that's an old trick people don't realize if you live in a state if you live in a state like michigan has this deal where if you bounce around like i went to three colleges right if you bounce around the other colleges will accept your credit hours but they don't care about the gpa so if you're in michigan this is a hot tip for michiganders if you're in Michigan, never start where you're going to finish. And your finishing school might – how many credit hours is a college degree? I think it's like – 108?

No, I think it might be 180. I was going to say 120. 120. Yeah, you might be – They might dictate to you that they want you to wrap her up. They want you to get the final 80 or whatever it is like a school like let's say you wind up at msu spencer's right it's because it'd be 8 times 15 roughly 120 okay 120 so let's say you're going to land at where i where i landed

at i landed at grand valley state university just to close her out. Grand Valley State is going to dictate to you that they're like, to get a degree from us, you have to get your final X number of hours from. I think I actually had to do more credit hours than was normal. I had to do like an extra few because I needed to hit their minimum requirement.

You go to other schools, easy ones. Ones where you can fish and hunt a lot. Go there and hunt and fish. All you got to do is pass, okay? It's serious. I'm not joking. This is true.

All you have to do is pass. So your goal was definitely not to learn anything. No. All you have to do is pass. Seas get raised, baby. You go to where you want to go. Then you got to do good. Yep.

And you get, you leave with a fake gpa you get you graduate with a gpa that is not reflective of your college experience it's only reflective of where you wrapped her up so i wrapped her up at gvsu and i walked out of there with like a three six something yeah go mess around when you're taking all that gen ed shit your freshman sophomore year so i did two years of night classes at my local community college my first two years of college night classes i didn't go down until six at night were you still living back in twin lakes i was trapping yeah trapped all day hunted all day whatever i was had going on chopped Chopped firewood. Went to school at night.

Walked out of there, and I was in the same position as all these jokers that were working hard. And in the end, had a good GPA and got in a good graduate program. Yeah. I would have taken you for a little bit higher than a 3.6 kind of guy. 3.6 is pretty important. That's pretty high. That's pretty high. That's high. Man, 3.6 kind of guy. 3.6 is pretty important. That's pretty high. That's pretty high. That's high.

Man, 3.6 is great. I wasn't sure when that was going to turn into a hot tip, but it's a hot tip. Oh, it is. Yeah. Someone should do a pamphlet.

But you've got to remember how old I am. They might have figured this out and caught up to people. This was a common practice among my social circle. Did you brew your own beer in college too?

No, but my brothers bre own beer in college too no but my my brothers brewed beer in high school did that work out for them the problem they would have is it would get a quarter inch of white stuff on the bottom and it didn't matter you'd have to open it so gradually and gently to not disturb the yeast. You know like most parents, you can't drink in high school for whatever reason. We weren't supposed to drink, but for whatever reason, they would make this beer

and it was just my parents were fine with it. They thought it was interesting. I had buddies who got beer making kits at garage sales and they had dollar signs in their eyes. Think of how far ahead we're going to come yeah it's never never worked out they never made big money no um god i had some other thing i was going to add in here something about not being a oh

corinne i'm i know we had a whole plan but do what you want you got to a talking point yeah no i gotta add one thing about fish priests yeah then i'm done this is this is exciting though i can't wait fish priests when i wasn't allowed to get bad grades in high school like i had to get a or b if i got a's or b's nothing bad happened to me and um in woodshop i got a bad grade because we had to do a lathe project. Seems unlike you. Wood shop. I know. Well, because for the lathe project, I made a large wooden mallet.

It spins wood. It spins wood and then you use the tools and it shaves it off. So we had to laminate. We were supposed to laminate a stack of wood together and then lathe it into something cool. And I lathed mine into a very coarse cylinder, drilled a hole in it,

and put a handle in it so that I had a big, heavy wooden mallet that I was saying was like a fish priest. Got a bad grade, and then my dad took me down to school to have arranged a little conference. I got a C-. But why would you get a bad grade for that?

That doesn't seem like unfair grounds. Because people were making really cool stuff. They're making lamp stands. Oh, okay. Steve just made like a block of wood. And I made a block, a cylinder. I made an eight-inch cylinder. Yeah.

And it was like, well, no, it's a mallet. I made a duck call for my project. Most guys were making cool stuff. Or they were making their parents lampstands. Okay. And then drilling them out and wiring them. I was like, all I need is a handle. I thought that the teacher was being unfair and kind of judging you not on your relative level of skill,

but on the fact that you were making something used to, you know, beat other. He thought I was being a smartass. Yeah, okay. And he thought I was being a smart ass and he thought i was being a slacker both of which are true and i don't know we just wanted to go back to sniffing wood glue i don't know but anyhow um well you got to tell us what would your old man do oh he was pissed and took me down pissed at you or pissed at the pissed at me i got and took me down. Pissed at you or pissed at the? No, pissed at me. I got you. Took me down and humiliated me in front of the teacher. And then I had to improve my grade. What'd you make after that?

I don't remember what I made after that, but he was not happy. And my dad was a big woodworker, so it kind of stung, you know? It'd be like if one of my kids who live or hunt in Canada. And boy, my goodness do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes. And our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Whew. Our northern brothers. brothers get irritated. Well, if you're sick of, you know, sucking high and titty there,

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Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. Should I skip this thing about the Edmund Fitzgerald? I'll put it. I'll say this you know when David Grand was on and he said all those things that have a maritime background that was so interesting under the weather under the weather

so many three sheets to the wind I forgot the other ones. Under the weather. There are so many. Three sheets to the wind. It's like one more good one that we say all the time, but we have no idea what. I forgot. It doesn't matter. It does matter. I'm trying to make a point. Gang pressed.

Okay. Whole pile of them that's a fight underwriter an insurance underwriter I just googled maritime nautical phrases pipe down

batten down the hatches high and dry scuttlebutt through thick and thin smooth sailing this one's obvious down the hatch Scuttlebutt. You're thick and thin. Smooth sailing. This one's obvious. Sink or swim. Down the hatch.

Yeah, sure. You're saying a lot of them that aren't that interesting. Broad in the beam. It was interesting to listen to you struggle to come up with that. Yeah, it was. Apologies. You felt that was more interesting? Hearing me just not say anything? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He broke. I know, I was more interesting? Yes. You hear me just not say anything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He broke. I know, I was having a great moment. I was having a great hosting moment, and the dispenser came in and ruined it. Underwriting is a maritime insurance thing. Like in the old days, they would, this is kind of interesting. So the connection to Edmund Fitzgerald, and this is the last note on the Edmund Fitz. The boat was actually owned by an insurance company. It was owned by Northwestern Mutual Insurance Company out of Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

The company invested a lot of their earnings in iron ore and mineral mining. Edmund Fitzgerald was just the ceo of northwestern mutual when they built the ship had no idea that is that is not cool that's like in the old days in the old days you would it was okay for you to name birds and animals after yourself that's considered not cool cool anymore um uh what's his name uh baron no stellar stellar he's got all kinds of stellar stellar's like i'll take that jay i'll take that c line whatever lewis everything you saw yeah lewis and um now it's it's uncool you don't name stuff after yourself anymore there's a movement now to give things names from indigenous peoples, indigenous language.

It also seems fashionable to name things after other people, though. Like Attenborough has a lot of things named after him that he didn't discover. Yeah, but I think that's okay because you're paying homage. And this guy, he's the CEO. He's like, I got a great name for the boat. He helped bring baseball back to Milwaukee is what I'm reading

too. In your head, who was Edmund Fitzgerald before you learned this? Never thought about it. Like a war captain? That's who it was to me. Oh. They used to be able to publicly sell insurance on cargos and vessels an underwriter was just someone that would write their literally write their name

under the post looking for insurers that is pretty interesting uh oh remember how i was saying well never mind i feel like if this happened today it'd be a conspiracy theory no certainly like an insurance company guy named it after himself to get famous when it sank couldn't happen you know one of my favorite movies i don't like the book but i like the movie that doesn't happen very often. Is Inherent Vice. And there's a prominent character in Inherent Vice played by Benicio Del Toro is a maritime lawyer.

And Inherent Vice, so it's a Thomas Pynchon novel. Inherent Vice in Maritime Insurance is all the things that one can't control like shipping on the seas there's inherent vice things rot things get wet whatever it's like you know when you see like act of god yeah stuff inherent vice is just stuff's gonna happen to to the cargo uh two pieces that came out from so we've had a podcast guest on i believe maybe a couple times ed arnett who used to be the chief scientist at theodore roosevelt conservation partnership and he left trcp on on great terms because he he got to go and be the ceo of the

wildlife society and the wildlife society funds and orchestrates. I might be screwing this up. Someone looked that up. What do they call their mission statement? They fund an organ orchestrate wildlife research. Spencer's got it. Fast hyper.

What is the wildlife Society's mission statement? Our mission is to inspire, empower, and enable wildlife professionals. Starts with giving you the resources to succeed. Yeah, there you go. So they published a lot of new wildlife research coming out. And there's two that Ed passed along to us recently. One I'd caught went up. But this is like a month old now or so. Florida just became the latest state for them to have found CWD in Florida.

And the odds that you found the first deer that shows, you're right, CWD could have been there for years. They just found it. With enough testing, they found a deer with CWD. So Florida is now the, that's a good question for you, Spencer, is now the blank state to have CWD. I'm guessing.

It's got to be high 30s or low 40s. I was going to say 40. That'd be a good trivia question. Why don't you find the answer to that, Spencer? I can do that. And it was because a roadway accident, a vehicular collision. Oh, is that where the deer came from

testing roadkill yes no uh yes huh um because hunters probably don't really get him tested too much i mean in florida i mean it's mandatory i mean there's a massive amount so there's no way that i bet you anything there's more hunter tested i don't know this for a fact but i bet, there's massive amounts of, there's no way that, I bet you anything there's more hunter tested, I don't know this for a fact, but I bet you there's more hunter tested deer than roadkill tested deer. In Florida? Oh, Florida, I don't know. Yeah, I'm just saying in Florida. Oh, yeah, in a super populated state like that.

This one, this was the white-tailed deer had been struck by a vehicle in Holmes County. Hmm. And Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission confirmed the presence of chronic wasting disease in this wild deer that was killed on the highway. This says 31 U.S. states and four Canadian provinces. That's as of June 16, 2023 from the USGS. Alaska and Hawaii will obviously be the holdouts.

We were talking to that guy on the book tour he said utah hasn't had any yet which surprised yeah i think it's it's coming at current it was it's there this map shows utah is uh full of it yeah oh with current regular under current guidelines and the way they're handling it right now and the way that the usda is looking at deer breeders and stuff it's everybody will have it except for hawaiian except for hawaii in alaska and alaska is getting you know they get mule deer coming into alaska now and then it's shoot on site for mule deer alaska uh another one and we've talked about this a bunch but and i haven't really looked into this but sometimes you'll live in a state and there might not be any wild pigs in your state or there might be a few wild pigs in your state and they will all of a sudden say it's illegal to hunt wild pigs and you'd say to yourself well that seems stupid if we're trying to get rid of wild pigs why would it be illegal

to kill wild pigs what's motivating that legislation is they realize that the like what is caught not not cwd here we're talking about another thing that spreads um hunters spread wild hogs yeah pig enthusiasts pig enthusiasts it's weird when you go down to some of those places you know down in like texas and in florida because they'd be people would be like i kind of you know i want you to get all the pigs off my property but then they're also like they like like having them around oh you know there this weird vibe there. That's a hobby of mine, is I like to ask landowners who complain about pigs, there's two questions.

I'm like, if you could wave a magic wand and they just would be gone. I've never met someone that said yes. I was like, well, not all of them. Because people like to eat them yeah people like to eat them and the other thing is and you always bring this up to people is uh like cal was telling a landowner hawaii this they're talking about complaining about the pigs and cal said i know how you could get rid of all these pigs put up a big sign that says please hunt this property for

sure and the person said you know what kind of people we'd get on this property if we did that to which cal said barbecuers uh tells i talk about the pigs oh so there's this there's this also this thing in, in a wildlife society article, like a, like a journal article, um, that state that there's, that this article is arguing that states that are being strict around, strict around, um, not being able to move wild hogs, not being able to hunt wild hogs not being able to hunt wild hogs right like very lying in the sand about wild hogs are slowing the spread more than states that are facilitating the hunting of wild hogs makes sense that it's effective yeah and whenever look you know

missouri i remember being in missouri where they were like like i came i was talking to a wild hog expert and he was like they were categorically that's how they're there they're there for people that go down south and they like hunting hogs and why not have them closer to home yeah we talked the other day about when we um uh when we had that uhb Hogan on, we're talking about fish that are tolerant. We spent a lot of time on fish that can handle fresh and salt water or not.

And we were talking about the spread of Northern Pike out of the Susitna drainage, where they were introduced by someone that likes to fish Northerns, and how from that drainage they're then bouncing to other drainages by just swimming out into salt water and coming back up.

They can handle brackish water. No, they're going, these fish, and they can see it when they take these fish out of these other systems, they can look at the stable isotopes and they can see where that fish was. That fish has marine stable isotopes. How? Where that fish was spending time in the ocean

and then shot up a different river system. That's neat. They're spreading through the ocean really i wonder how long they can i've got a lot of questions no his ass gets washed out or whatever i don't know goes on a tour and he's like i gotta get out of here i don't know and find some stream and shoots up it and then finds a boy or a girl to to love to. Well, it's illegal to hunt them here, right? Pigs in Montana. Did they ban hog hunting in Montana?

I think they might have. But I want to know, like I'd love to talk to someone from FWP to know, like if they feel like it's a serious threat from Canada. Well, they branded it. What do they call them? Northern super hogs? Right, right. I want to know if it's like... Yeah, you know what? We covered that.

And I get all... I spent all this time, my kids all worked up about Canadian Super Hogs. I'm like... I'm sorry, tell me. There's one kind of hog. The whole world over. Any pig you ever ate? Any piece of bacon you ever ate? Anyone you ever talked to

hunting wild hogs in america same thing it's seuss scroffa it's it's that's okay the only thing that can take down those canadian super hogs is a canadian super wolf yep so it's seuss scroffa yeah and he's all worked up about Canadian super hogs. And I realized that on our own website, when we covered that group, that population of hogs that are north of Montana. Did we call them Canadians? They were the best Canadian super hogs. What a great name. Yeah.

It's like the Wisconsin super sow and Canadian super hogs. But it can be, they demonstrating here that that those regulations would strike you as being so counterintuitive if we don't want hogs why would we not hunt them that it's actually effective in preventing the um introduction of hogs i mean those outfitters and stuff down in in texas they make serious living, you know, making sure they have hogs on their properties. I mean, they've got to be moved around and trapped. And I bet you some of those guys buy hogs, you know, if they're starting to get low. It wouldn't surprise me brandon butler when we were hunting in missouri for turks he took me

out and showed me like sort of wildcat hog traps that dudes have just gone out in the woods to construct for catching their own hogs in areas that have them yeah so they could bring them to bring them to places that don't. Quick correction. A couple corrections. So, you know we always point out that Dr. Randall is the only doctor that works at this company. That's right, yeah. He's not. Who are we leaving out? Well, Jordan Sillers kind of quietly snuck in with a PhD.

How the hell does he have time to be getting a PhD? I don't know. I want to get one of those. Super brave. I need to figure out how to get one. What's his PhD in? It's in English.

So speaking of our meat eater website, he, I don't know if he was the person who wrote that article in the Super Hogs. What are you shaking

your head about? Oh, because it's like. Passing judgment. Dude, Jordan does it. Oh, it's cool.

Jordan pumps the articles like it's like that's cool it's not philosophy everybody go read a bunch of stuff i have an advantage i'll point out i i have the old uh you know ma uh i just don't have a PhD. So, on our episode Glassing for Sheds, which was quite a while ago now, when we had Ben Dedimanti on, we were talking about, can you say strewed

And that was in the context of antlers, shed antler piles being found, found by like... Seized by fishing game. Yeah, seized, not found, seized by and then cut up like dog treats and thrown across or scattered across public land. So, strewn it would be. When I didn't hear me out. So, as Corinna said,

so a guy got busted for hunting sheds ahead of time before an area was open. And he had even cut some up. So, down in Wyoming,

they just go back out and they scatter them about so people can re-find them. Right. The cut up ones? Yes. Even the cut ups. You're finding,

you're finding the dog, Which I was pointing out is a little bit like, like Easter egg hunting. Right. You know, like someone just was touching that egg earlier today. the cut-ups you're finding which i was pointing out is a little bit like like easter egg hunt right you know like someone just was touching that egg earlier today so uh do you know all right they're chilly me yeah yeah great okay i got your tongue you guys are talking pull that mic up close you guys are just talking having a grand old time okay so um i said that they went and strewed him about the landscape and i thought that can't be a word

um in our and this is coming from the actual phd in english in english of all things so what would your your PhD be in? I don't think you can get a PhD in what I studied. Okay, but if you were going to get a PhD. Definitely not woodworking. Oh, if I was going to go now and get a PhD, I would pursue a PhD in American history. Or would you go to law school? Well, no, that's a whole different deal. They're not PhDs.

I know, but I'm just, you know, the whole ticket and raffle stuff. stuff oh to study sweepstakes and raffle law yeah i would love to be a world expert a world leading expert on sweepstakes and raffle law man it comes from the old english strewian or strewian meaning to scatter i think the reason it sounds weird is because it seems to be used most commonly as the past participle, strewn. That's right. Past participles are words formed from verbs that can be used as an adjective to form perfect verb tenses. As in they were strewn across the landscape.

And to form the passive voice, which your English teachers will beat out of you eventually. So people would usually use the passive voice, the sheds were strewn, were strewn, on the landscape, as opposed to the active wildlife officials strewed the shed on the landscape. Can you say it?

Look at those guys strewing antlers? Oh, yeah. All right. We recently had an episode called The Guru Comes Up for Air. Is that correct? Mm-hmm. Oh, right there. Episode 452, The Guru Comes Up for for air in which we interviewed a formal apostle

a former apostle of the health guru wim hof who has strayed from the orthodoxy to question some of his judgment and character in this we got to talk about shallow water blackouts. And I don't think he wasn't familiar with shallow water blackout. I think perhaps familiar. Yeah, go ahead, Brody. Well, it felt like you were talking about one thing

and he was talking, because he mentioned shallow water blackout, but it was like, it felt like you guys were talking about two different things. And I feel like we weren't totally clear as to why it was called that. Well, yeah, I wasn't clear. I was like, my understanding, I told him, my understanding is that, maybe I'm wrong, my understanding is that people tend to blackout by the surface. And that's why shallow water blackout.

But I didn't really know. So a lot of people wrote in. Greg Fonz wrote in about this, why it's called shallow water blackout. But I'm using this one because So a lot of people wrote in. Greg Fonce wrote in about this, why it's called shallow water blackout. But I'm using this one because it's so perfect, the connection. Watch this. Remember how we were talking about Sault Ste. Marie earlier?

I do. Well, a Navy SEAL wrote in to offer a correction. Points out, I was born and raised in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. Wow. And grew up two blocks from lake state university active duty seal he teaches uh seal medics dive medicine okay so he teaches future seal medics dive medicine which is why he wants to put so highly credentialed here's why uh free divers and others dive. Here's why when they blackout, they blackout at the surface. This will tickle your fancy.

I could do the short and palatable, or I could do long and boring. He gives the option. Let's go with long and boring. He starts out by saying the pathophysiology is long and drawn out okay follow me the pressure at depth pushes blood from the thoracic cavity to the peripheral space like the brain because the lungs aren't taking up much volume smaller lungs use less blood so you have air and under pressure right that it shrinks your lungs squeeze in that's why like trachea squeezes lung squeezes like an issue people can get when they're diving at depth yeah and it's i'll point out here he

doesn't have this in there but i'll point out you can't compress you can pressurize water but you can't compress water like no matter how much pressure you put on water you don't make it smaller right you don't it doesn't it's still volume wise it still takes up the same volume air under pressure you can pressurize air it takes up less volume so when you dive down and they talk about atmospheres so it's like 30 feet 60 feet 90 feet correlates to these like at these different atmospheres at which pressure becomes noticeably different so when you go down your lungs shrink because they're full of air you went down on a full breath hold like i mentioned when i was teaching my boy how to hold his breath i'll say imagine filling your ball sack with air you're down on a full breath hold like i mentioned when i was teaching my boy how to hold

his breath i'll say imagine filling your ball sack with air you're you're feeling your breathe so deep you're feeling your testicles there could he imagine that he laughed okay and then the air came out and then he lost all his air uh you're breathing that deep but you go down and all of a sudden, it's pushing less. So he's saying that when this happens, blood is moving out of there. And the increase in blood being pushed to the brain. So more blood is shoved to your brain, which compensates for the lower arterial oxygen saturation that occurs when your body metabolizes the oxygen during your breath hold. So you've got a big bunch of air, and all that blood goes in, and the blood is going somewhere,

so you're sending more oxygenated blood goes to your brain, which helps compensate for the fact that you're not breathing. Now, the ascentcent you're ascending when you ascend if you were so borderline that the only thing keeping your oxygen saturation in an acceptable range for consciousness generally 25 to 20 mmhgs whatever the hell that means um uh all of a sudden your lungs as you near the surface your lungs fully expand and it pulls that blood out from your your noggin that extra blood that was hanging out up there your lungs go because now like the whole thing with the bends, right? Now your lungs are, well, the bends are different

because that's breathing on a tank, not the bends. Your lungs are going back to normal because the noise they're making. Right?

Did you get that, Phil? Yeah, that's great. Thanks. Sucks the blood out of your head. And then you pass out. And you pass out. He goes on to say,

his name is Smooch, who wrote in. He goes on to say, snobs would call this a scent blackout, but not me, no way. And MMHGHG is mercury on the periodic table and MM is millimeter. and a millimeter of mercury is a manometric unit of pressure got it that clarifies things for me it's a it's a weird it's a weird thing that shallow water blackout

because you can just be feeling pretty good and fine and then the next thing you know someone's unconscious I haven't done it yet don't you well yeah but I mean I know so many people that have if they don't they don't they one minute the way they describe it one minute they're swimming up toward the surface and the next minute someone's blowing across their face at the surface. They're trying to figure out what the hell happened. No panic. So feasibly, it would be a painless way to die.

Wait, did you say that you did it or you were close to doing it? I've never shallow watered. No, no. I've never done it. Nope. There's a thing called the Samba, too, that free divers talk about. And that's. I've seen that.

Yeah. You break the surface and then you like not beneath surface. You break the surface and you get woozy and tippy at the surface. They'll say you Samba'd, meaning you kind of like had a little bit of a, you kind of passed out a little teeny bit once you broke surface. But in shallow water blackout, let's say you black out three feet shy of the surface and stop kicking and you're underwater yeah so you have a mammalian you have that mammalian dive reflex so you don't breathe right away you sink and don't do anything and eventually whatever amount of energy it requires to have the mammalian

dive reflex activated, that subsides. And then you take your death breath. But then you're taking your death breath of water, basically. Don't they usually say that's like typically about two minutes before that happens? Oh,

I don't know. I've never heard. I've heard, I've heard, and I'll probably get corrected, but yeah, like when you pass out, you have ballpark about two

minutes before you take that oh death breath i don't know someone can maybe look that up and see but that's what i was always told i would i mean that's not surprising to me it's not 30 minutes right yeah but like they said like if somebody passes out in water you have about two minutes before like to find it's lights out so. And this is a big part of why the serious spear fishermen that are being safe will always practice one guy on surface,

one guy down, one guy on surface, one guy down. And so the guy on surface is presumably paying attention to, hey, he should have... He shouldn't be floating. He should be up here by now

and you go down and hunt him down i'm gonna do some diving this weekend are you we're at uh a lake montana in montana the ocean lake in montana yeah taking a spear nice You taking a spear? Mm-hmm. Nice. Hey, folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. And, boy, my goodness do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes. And our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Whew. Our northern brothers get irritated.

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And then we're going to hang that in the new studio. Yeah. Yeah. Can you explain it to me for a minute? Well, do you want like the history of it or like the story of how I got it? Both. Both. Both.

All right. So not a very interesting story how we got it. My dad got it from a work colleague back in the day that um had a i mean i think she had this and like an old 50 cal flintlock and gave the flintlock rifle to somebody else and then gave this to my dad and then it's just been hanging up in our house like for the entirety of my life okay and then pass it on down to me and my brother and then but so it's a it's a if you want to look at it oh man yeah um damn get towards the camera no trigger guard back then huh no no and i'd actually love you ever pull that thing out of there no you wanna well yeah break it open

you gotta break the back yeah you gotta break it to get in there? It's like a fire alarm? It's like nailed. It looks like there's just a hammer on the chain next to it. I don't think the case came with the gun. You can break it with your pal. Yeah, we can bust it open like a piggy bank. Yeah, you don't need to do that. That's pretty sweet, though.

Yeah, so it's a.32 caliber rimfire. Wow. It's an old civil war era pistol they made them from 1861 to 1874 there's roughly about 77 000 of them made um how many roughly 77 000 yeah and it feels like that i would have guessed less than that that. Less than that, right? Yeah. Yeah, no, mass produced for sure. They also think that the first 35,000 in production had a very good chance of actually being in the Civil War. Got it.

Would have been issued to soldiers. Correct. It was, I won't read this whole thing, but it goes on. Yankees or Rebs? I think Rebs. I think. I think. Again. My people weren't here yet, i i don't need to worry about that gun having felled one of my people yeah well we were midwest so it's not so they probably

felled your people probably probably um yeah so they say the first 30 for 35 000 probably were in the war um and then it goes on to say, so all the serial numbers are on it. This is on the hilt. I think it's called the hilt of the handle, right? On the bottom side of the pistol grip. Oh, that piece of metal that runs, that the plates go into? Yeah. I can't remember what that's called.

I can't remember either. But it has a serial number, and this one starts with the 44,000. So it wasn't necessarily probably in the war. Oh. But what's interesting is since they only made them to 1874, if it was made then at the last year, it's still 150 years old. Wow. Hilt says the handle of any weapon or tool.

So it's a revolver with no trigger guard. No. A trigger that is not trigger like correct um that's not a great description how would you describe that trigger it's and then a cylinder with no no notching in the cylinder just a smooth cylinder yeah yeah it's in a very rudimentary uh bead and groove to aim it Have you guys had a red dot on that thing? Oh, yeah, no. No. We could.

Do you know if the barrel's rifled? You know, I don't. I really don't. I don't know a whole lot about it. All the research that I did on this was pretty much the same stuff. It kind of goes into the history of it, not the dynamics of the pistol itself is it like brody's priest fist what do you call this persuader is it like brody salmon

persuader where it's got notches in the handle uh no i don't i don't know i uh i think i would rather take that into a fight than this thing though that's for sure yeah you don't know you don't know anybody that's ever taken that out and taking a crack on it no i can't say that have it's always been this was hanging up in our stairwell going downstairs and it was there for i don't know 18 years that i lived there and my dad always said don't touch it so no no and then and then you brought it here and then i really touched it and then i and then i i grew up and i got out of the house and he's like, yeah, do you want it? I'm like, sure. You got to take it to a gunman.

He's going to catch you now. I hope he gives him a big old whooping right there. With that persuader. He's going to pull his little pants down and smack his little butt right here and there for touching his pistol. Chili, can I see it? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you got to take it to someone

to make sure there's not something you should be doing to like preserve it or what you know what i mean well i mean it's 150 it looks pretty good for sure it does but you know yeah there's probably some a better method to take care of that thing and i would actually be really interested in someone that knows what they're doing with that particular style there's someone out there that knows everything about that gun. You know what I mean? Oh, but you'll get some people writing in about it from here. Oh, sure. My biggest curiosity

is that trigger. I want to know how that works. Because it just looks weird. Yeah, well, there would be some kind of antique firearms enthusiast out there. Oh, maybe there's a mirror expert who's also an antique firearm enthusiast. there. Oh, maybe there's a mirror expert who's also an antique firearm enthusiast.

He'd come and just get all his tape and take care of it in here. I think those triggers are relatively common because I feel like I've seen them at antique stores. I'm like little pistols and.22s. Can you describe what it is? It just hangs down.

Let me take a stab at it. Yeah, there's no... There's a little hang down. Yeah. A little teardrop-shaped hang down. A finger rest. And the trigger is like a little... Never mind.

Great crack. Great crack at it. It's like a little button. It's not a button. I'd have to sit and think about it for a while. I think when you cock that, what I can picture is when you cock the handle... That damn right. It extends. I didn't sit and think about it for a while. I think when you cock the handle, it extends.

It becomes active and then you pull it back. I don't think it moves a hell of a lot. I know how to explain it. It's like a savage accu-trigger. It's like a savage accu-trigger. It's only the accu part of the accu it's the sad it's the savage accu trigger if this if the trigger trigger was solid and the safety blade that moves inside an accu trigger was the trigger

those are phenomenal yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna explain savage got our expert right here everyone google it hmm yeah that's got to be a single action right cock and fire yeah that's pretty sweet i like that thing yeah no it's it's great um yeah if anyone has more information about it they still making 32 rimfire shells you know i can't say that they are i don't think that they are. That's too bad. Oh, maybe the guys that are making our punt gun ammo, when they finish that, they'll be able to do this.

We still got to hang that up. I still got to get the... So, bro, you couldn't find... You weren't able to find the email the guy sent in. We recently had a guy write in. I can't believe we lost this. I found the the email i just didn't find anything about an age it was the size of the skull that he oh and that's what was certified by the state yeah they had it measured 23 inches which is gigantic and out of what state is that minnesota no kidding but that's also where the oldest black bear was from too oh so a guy rode in and he found a 23 inch, found a dead. Died on his land.

Found a 23 inch bear skull. Well, I think he might've found the bear. Oh. So like, so just for context here, all time Boone and Crockett is 21. Yeah. Oh. Enormous black bear skull. Okay.

A bear died on his land and there was some back and forth about whether he could claim it or it was the states and it ended up in a lawsuit. I'm thinking of something different. Give me a minute. There's something different. There's two bears. There's another guy that just had this old ass. I did not see that one. Sorry.

No, no, no. I thought we were talking about that campfire one. Sorry, Phil. Oh oh you're good if anyone wants to fill the space with some interesting band if it's the the world record Boone and Crockett Blackbeard skull measured 23 and 10 16ths yeah so this is 23 it's like it's gigantic enormous anyway like, this will probably all get cut,

but this guy ended up in a lawsuit with the state over possession of that skull and got it. Which is weird because, you know, in a lot of places, you just walk around and pick up dead heads. And that world record was also picked up in Utah. Just hold off from it, Will, because we're not recording right now. Just a reminder that now

we're doing live editing with video. It's kind of a pain to cut things out. I'll make it work. I'll make it work. Try to avoid it from here on out back to the bear well I know

and he can be testy like that back there because he doesn't have to look at you that's right that's why I said that I prefer it

it's like it's like getting testy with a customer service rep over the phone you'd say stuff you'd never say in person

yeah I kind of agree with you but I feel like you're a little hard on Phil sometimes I'm not hard on Phil sometimes. I'm not hard on Phil.

I wish he was here. I wish he was here looking me in the eye. That's what the problem is. He wants more Phil. Yeah, I want more Phil, not less Phil. Well, we can talk about the oldest bear. No, I do want to hear. Yeah.

Yeah. So, so, but either way, there's some dude recently wrote in and I lost it, but he wrote in and he found this, this bear and it looked like you had taken a angle rode in, and I lost it, but he rode in and he found this bear, and it looked like you had taken an angle grinder and removed its teeth. And he got some certification back, and this bear was, I feel like this bear was in the 30s. And whatever the hell state he was in, it was the oldest bear found in the state, but I can't find his thing. But you found that, okay, what's the biggest black bear on record?

23 and 10 sixteenths. It came from Utah and it was picked up. And if people aren't familiar, that measurement, all it is, is length of skull and width of skull added together. Isn't it weird how the biggest of most stuff is picked up? Like so often the biggest specimen is picked up. So the biggest bighorn sheep pick up. The biggest whitetail picked up. The biggest black bear picked up.

So this was 23 inches yeah and then the oldest bear on record was 39 years old out of minnesota yep yep not killed by a hunter died natural causes and then so the dude that found it got in a little custody battle. And who wound up with the skull? He did. He did. Okay. But that brings us around to, Chester has an old ass bear. Yeah. I shot this bear with a recurve. Homemade? I made the bow.

That is badass, Chester. And this is a local bear. And it was a sow. Um, but when I brought it in to FWP. Well, no, cause tell what happened before you brought it in. Tell us about the hunt. Oh, okay. It's a, it's an interesting hunt.

So, um. Caught it on a jigging raft. It was, caught it on a jigging raft. I was snap jigging in a, in a meadow. Anyways, no, I, uh, in the springtime in Montana, a lot of the time you can find bears in green meadows. Up in the mountains, they're coming down out of the snow and chowing on wildflowers and grass. And that's exactly what I was doing. I was glassing over these green meadows and this bear came out.

And I had been glassing up another bear and this one looks substantially bigger. And I got to the edge of this field. The wind was absolutely perfect, but it almost looked like a manicured field. Like some landscaping company came in there and made it look all pretty. There was one juniper in the middle of it so i got to the edge of this field and the wind was right and i took my shoes off and i was just like i'm gonna see how close i can get to this thing took my shoes off so i could try and be real with yeah i didn't think it was like you had your feet were itchy no they weren't itchy nope but um it was facing away and like i said the wind was right and i just kept creeping towards it real slow, not crawling or anything.

Using the tree between you and the bear? No, just staying on its hind end. And luckily it just stayed facing away from me. And I probably got like 60, 70 yards. And that juniper was, I was getting close to that juniper and the bear was just on the other side of it. And I was like, as soon as it gets on the other side of this juniper, I'm going to just hustle my butt up and be right there. So shake hands with it, shake hands with it. It gets on the other side of that juniper.

That's exactly what I do. And it steps out broadside. It's, you know, probably 15 to 18 yards i don't know somewhere in there and i shoot it and i think it's just a beautiful perfect shot and if any of you guys have hunted bears before um they got a lot of fur a lot of hair and uh it can kind of be deceiving because you're shooting at a black blob, you know. So I think it's just a perfect shot and, you know, my heart's going and it takes off down into the woods and I start blood trailing

and there's no blood to be found whatsoever. And I look and look and look and I'm just getting super discouraged. So I start doing what every hunter would do they grid search it you know and they kind of get on onyx and and uh start making a track and i was gridding this hillside and i was hold on a second yeah we should just put this in the fucking discoveries thing. Yeah. I mean, I don't know the rest of the story, but... Well, if you haven't figured that out...

Yeah, we shouldn't talk about this. It'd be great little interstitial. Yeah, never mind. You got to go in the book. Sorry, Phil. It's all good. Show us your face, Phil. This would be too good of a...

It's like too good of a little... It's too good of Show us your face, Phil. This would be too good of a little... It's too good of a little... Yeah. If it was... We'd need it in campfire for sure. Okay. No, it's... Anyways.

That's for you, Phil. How pissed is Phil? I can't tell. I'm doing fine. This is a learning process for everyone. I'll take it... How pissed do you think Phil is back there? Scale of one to ten?

You had to guess. Show us your face again, Phil. What does it look like right now? You know what, Phil? Leave it in. Leave it in. Because they don't know what happened. Except for you said it. Okay, is it easy for you to go back

in and bleep stuff out or easier just to edit the whole thing out? Bleeping, probably. Okay, can you just go back and bleep all the thing that would make it this is actually an ad for campfire stories oh my gosh or just cut all the audio lemons the lemonade sort of thing here we go can you just you try it it'll just sound like i'm swearing the whole time and then fill normal blur for the whole video i want you to blur that skull so people don't know that he got it. Okay, on second thought, let's just edit it out.

And blur out Chester's face. No, Phil, just bleep. Just act like he swore a lot and bleep the parts out that you think would matter. And you don't need to do any of the work. Sounds good. No work involved. Here's the work Phil's need to do any of the work sound sounds good no work here's the work phil's trying to get out of you can watch you can watch we're we're making we're starting to record our

show and and and phil is back there in his little command and control center hitting what camera he wants on all the time isn't that right phil is that how you'd express it camera four yes it is steve back to camera 1. Okay, that's what's going through his little head back there. He doesn't want to have to have a big old headache of going back in and trying to undo all of his camera work.

Yeah, so on that note, I'd like to apologize for all the weird camera cuts I just made during that segment when I thought it was going to be cut out. So just ignore those. Because people are going to be thinking, man just ignore those because we were going to be thinking man that guy's not very good at that that's a great story chester i'm on the edge of my seat dude it gets and i already told me it gets gnarly is that bleepity bleep the one in your office yes yep that's the one where am i going to be able to hear the real story now i'm a little confused

meat eaters campfire stories volume three so volume one was close calls yep volume two was more close calls and then we had a catchy little subtitle volume three is gonna be called crazy shit i found but not what we call it do we know yet uh like the yeah not really amazing finds archaeologists whatever finding plane crashes finding missing bodies finding archaeological sites finding just whatever weird junk sure well what do you got right in front of you right now you ready to talk about this well i'm not yeah i don't think do you feel like it's gonna make the uh it's not gonna make them it's not gonna no go ahead i want to hear about it okay this this here is an extinct sea creature i was hunting in montana

it looks like a column i found the little chunks before but go on i was hunting in montana in 2019 and that morning i was sitting behind my spotter, and I glassed this up. It was in, like, some Badlands country. And I glassed it up from a long ways away. I didn't know what it was. You got to explain what you saw, though. I saw that. Exactly that.

No, but people at home who are listening. People want to say that it looks like a core sample that you took from the earth. I thought when I came in and this was sitting here, I thought for some reason it was a core sample in here. It is not a core sample. It looks like a core sample. When you look at it carefully, it's oval. You know how some people got a game eye?

Spencer's got a fossil eye. And mushroom eye. Really bad. I'm a very bad shed hunter. I think I'm very good at mushrooms and rocks. Are you interested in sheds, though? Terribly interested in sheds. You are?

Yeah, I wish I was better. Because I didn't know if it was just like mind games. No. Seth Morris has the best shed eye I know. Yeah? I think it's hard for me to not do one and do the other because it seems like the best shed hunters are like scanning a large area and when you're looking

for mushrooms and rocks you're often looking in like a very small area. Your cone, like your sonar is tiny. In the sheds you're like looking

over a big area. I can't come to that. I was walking through the woods with Seth. I had to duck my head to not poke a shed antler in my eye

that a buck had gotten hung up in some grapevine and missed that. I think that says more about you than Santa. And he's like, look, a shed hanging from a grapevine at eye level in the trail you just walked down. This looks like a core sample. It's about as thick as a beer can.

A little smaller. No. A little smaller. White claw. It's good. If you put like two white claws on top of each other. Maybe one and a half. 18 ounce. That's a good way. It's in your hand right now.

Not mine. This is an extinct sea creature. It's called a Baculite. Baculites lived from about 66 million years ago, which is when the dinosaurs also went extinct, to 100 million years ago. Sounds like a long time, but if you want some context, like dinosaurs showed up like 200 million years ago

and then disappeared 66 million years ago. So dinosaurs had already been around for 100 million years by the time these came around. That's a long time. And, and they, um, their closest relative would be things that are cephalopods like squid, octopus, um, their whole order, family, genus, it's all extinct. None of these are around anymore, even close to it. They grew up to about seven feet long. They had extreme sexual dimorphism. A male was only about a third of the size as a female.

And they were, they hung out in the middle of the water column. They ate plankton. And those little like fissures that you're seeing, those are called sutures on there. And that is how they would regulate the gas in their body. This, imagine a squid. Take a squid, right? Yeah.

And then give it a long cone body. It's like five or six feet long. Yeah. That's what a baculite looked like. And those little. So that's the body right there? This is like the shell of it. So do their tentacles fossilize well?

Well, usually things that are soft don't fossilize very well. Mushrooms, for example, which would be similar in material to tentacles. I think there's been 12 in the world that have been found of fossils. So no, the tentacles really, really poorly fossilize. This would be the hard shell of it. So no, the tentacles really, really poorly fossilized. This would be the hard shell. So my question, let's back up a little bit. When you said you glass this up.

Yep. Didn't know what it was. Right. You found it in your nocks. Yeah. In my spotting scope. Were you looking for deer? I was looking for deer.

That's a weird looking deer. Most of my deer hunts devolve into something else. Well, that's why he's got that buck sitting next to him because he got that buck later that day. That's right. So I found this baculite in the morning and then that afternoon, only a few hundred yards away, I killed this buck. So you're telling me you saw that through your scope. I didn't know what

it was. I knew it was unnatural. I was like, that's something I should look at. I was wrong. Paint a picture too is it like in the middle of like just some some prairie grass or was it like because like when i look at that i see a rock it was in some badlandsy stuff um that had a lot of like dead grass on it this was late november uh and it was just laying there it actually had a couple other smaller baculites next to it. Steve, you mentioned that you found some baculites before.

Here's a smaller section. I found the sections. Can I tell you a funny story? This I found in Montana. This came from Wyoming. It's also a bad one. That's what I have these. My kids have found them too.

Yeah. Can I tell you a neat little story? Sure, yeah. I know an old timer that he's well into his 80s. Mm-hmm. He had one of these sitting on a shelf in his house. And I didn't know what it was.

And I said, dude, what is that? And he said, I don't know. Some kind of fossil. He had had it for, I mean, decades, I gather. He goes, I never found anybody that could tell me what that was. He doesn't know the first thing about internet stuff so i put it on instagram i'm like hey what is this and within seconds i'm like that's a baculate and so i go and i show him we go into google and type in

baculate and i pulled all these pictures of him yeah okay and he's pretty surprised by this whole revelation is very convinced that that's what he's holding he's very happy while later he calls me and he says what was the website you were showing me the pictures i was like it's called it's google yeah all right good uh native americans would find those a, and they call them buffalo stones. Because if you look at the bottom, you could see like you're looking at the undercarriage of bison. I think the Blackfeet specifically had some origin stories about how they were good luck. There was a woman who found one when they were in the middle of a famine.

And then the next day, a whole herd of bison showed up and it like really turned things around for them. So Baculite or Buffalo Calling Stones. I've heard that. Buffalo Calling, that's a Buffalo Calling Stone. Does it work if you're applying for a Buffalo tag? Well, it helped me kill this deer that afternoon. You always stick one of those in with your application?

Uh-huh, yeah. This is a cactus buck. No. Normally, white tails and mule deer will shed their velvet in late August, early September. It happens when the photo period changes, days start getting shorter, bucks elevate their testosterone, and then their velvet sheds. When that doesn't happen, it's a cactus buck. And it's kind of a catch-all term, right? Cactus bucks can come in many shapes and sizes. It could be an antlered doe. It could be a hermaphrodite that has male and female sex organs. It could be a buck that lived a normal life as a buck. And then one day he messed up his testicles crossing a barbed

wire fence, got hit by a vehicle, was in a fight with another buck and got one day he messed up his testicles crossing a barbed wire fence got hit by a vehicle was in a fight with another buck and got stabbed in the nuts um and then that can mess with their hormones and create a cactus buck or i was hoping to keep going with that list i was liking that yes oh okay i can't think of any other examples you know but i suppose you get by this thing right in the priest priest right in the sack uh- priest. Hit by Brody's priest right in the sack. Shot by that pistol. A bad shot. A bad shot. A bad shot.

Snagged by Chester's gin rack. You can take this leather man and pinch him in the sack. That's good. All sorts of ways. This buck, for example, though, was born this way. His testicles had never dropped, and they were about the size of a cashew. Is that right? Mm-hmm.

So when you went to gut them, was there a sack? It was an empty coin purse. It was like a full-size sack, but empty. It was absorbed up into the stomach. You could see, like, okay, this is where his sack and testicles should be, and it was just like a slight change in the topography there. Did you shoot him? Like you knew what he was and you shot him for that reason?

I knew what he was. He was with a few other bucks. You mean you knew what he was because he wasn't hard-horned? Right, right. And we had seen other bucks that weekend. Do you know when you see them that time of year that it's a cactus buck? Did you see any other cactus bucks? And I feel like we've talked about this before.

There's areas where there's a lot of it, man. Because I have found, like, there's a specific area that we hunt, and it's like we've seen so many of them, and it's just bizarre. This idea gained traction after EHD. 2012 was a terrible year for EHD. Gotcha. And the worst years of EHD are often when it's a wet season followed by a dry season 2011 was super wet 2012 was very dry for much of the country that was when i think biologists

started to notice more they're like oh uh you can have some weird stuff that happens to deer when they survive ehd you see it with the hooves that get curled have you ever seen that oh yeah so that that was an example not that hoof rot that's wreaking havoc in the Northwest. No, not that. And I think some folks, I don't know that it's been proven, but they've, they've come up with the idea that if you have an area that was hit by, hit bad by EHD, but you have some deer that survive it, cactus bucks become more common. I shot this buck in 2019. I went through a check station on the way home. They had told me they had checked about a hundred deer deer that day and this was the second cactus buck so for that area it was

about two percent of deer but i think uh you know could be all the way up to 10 in some spots i remember i can't remember what some guys were telling me about one of those islands in alaska in more western alaska that has the introduced come here if it was a fog neck or kodiak or one of those islands that has introduced sitka you know introduced blacktails talking about some area where it's just like a pile of them running around yeah i never found out if it was true or not but it's just like common in some spot like an introduced herd yep that was one of my favorite days of hunting ever.

I found this. It brought together two of the three things you like. Oh, what's the third? Four. What's the fourth? Well, you like sports a little bit. You like your wife.

You like stones and you like bucks. That's right. Were you with your wife that day? No, I wasn't. So it brought together two of the four things you like. Yeah.

One of my favorite rocks and one of my favorite bucks. Have you ever seen how they preserve the velvet on a deer? That was my next question for you. They have like three ways, my understanding. That's going to live here

in the studio for a while? Yeah, yeah, for sure. If we're good with it. We're still decorating. We're still moving in. Three ways. This would be a good trivia about cactus bucks. one of them is uh

freeze drying which i think has become more common hadn't heard that another one is they'll scrape the velvet off and then they'll put an artificial velvet on i don't like that spraying you know insulation yeah i'm opposed to that and then the third way which is how this one was done is they have a chemical cocktail that's similar to embalming fluid that they just inject all over i'm familiar with that that's that's how this one preserved it's hard to take care of yeah cost me an extra 50 from the taxidermist man when we used to hunt caribou in august when they had all that velvet my god is that stuff getting nasty man like you don't think of flies it's all full of blood so you go to grab them and your hands get bloody you don't think of flies getting on antler. Yeah.

They love it. So it's just these fly ridden messes. And so I used to think that Sunday I was going to try to save one, but you just can't. Yeah. And then it starts to rot and it's falling off and it's nasty. Yeah. But I did want to get a big bunch of that velvet and get it tanned and make like a bra for my wife, man.

Imagine like lined with that antler wife, man. Can you imagine like lined with that antler velvet, man? That's funny. Does she know about this plan? Oh yeah. I wanted to do one out of like, yeah, I was telling her about it. She's like, you just don't understand.

No one wants to understand. You just don't understand. You wouldn't get it. I think she doesn't understand. To get her like a velvet lined bra. What do you think? Why is that not appealing?

I find it appealing. Oh, you do? Yeah. She also has animal part earrings. I do. It seems like it would be warmer in all get out. Yeah, I think it'd be real comfortable. But she's like, it's just not a cold area.

Like your fingers get cold. Your toes get cold. You don't have like cold. You don't have like, my breasts are cold. You can think about it as, I mean, I wouldn't think about it as whether it's insulating or not, but more just like a texture. Like what's, what's comfortable to the touch. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah. She's thinking about it the wrong way. She's like, it the wrong way. It's like lots of things like your cheeks get cold, your hands get cold, feet get cold. Steve's going to start a new lingerie company.

We should move forward with it. That's great, man. I like that. Thank you. What are we going to kick out? There's a lot of white space there. Or is this the aesthetic? Is this like the fullness you're going for?

It'll wind up being packed full of oddities. Yeah, we're going to keep redecorating. It'll be packed full of oddities. Oh, we should move our Warner Bratzler meat tenderizer test in here. Oh, that's a great idea. Put a little meat eater cap on him, call him

Warner B. Yeah, or he can go on. Put a little meat eater cap on him, call him Warner B. Yeah, or he can go on one of the other shells in our new place. I'll point out this fossil. It was found on public land. It was on BLM. And it's not against the law. It's not against the law.

It is legal to collect common invertebrates. And they specifically call out, you know, they're not very specific, but they say like common invertebrates, such as mollusks, clams, things like that. This would be a type of mollusk. They're very common. They're found around the world. So I kept it and that's legal. I had a great exchange with Spencer one time. I think I hit you up on an inReach device. Okay. And I said, we had found a huge block of old seafloor. There was a clam bed.

I remember. And my daughter wanted me to pack it out. Yep. It's still sitting there because it's about 70 pounds. It was quite a ways off the river. And I texted you about what are the rules about it. Yep. And what was the poundage you're allowed?

Well, so they get into specifics for petrified wood it's like um i think it's 25 pounds a day can't exceed 250 pounds in a year and then they have something like you can't take a piece that's larger than x amount of pounds i don't remember what that was when it comes to to the fossils, though, they just say you cannot collect to trade, barter, or sell, and you must collect in reasonable quantities. That's what you would text me. I don't know what a reasonable quantity is. You would inreach me. Does it seem like a reasonable quantity?

I think if it fits in your backpack, it would be a reasonable quantity. And I'm like, it's unreasonable that I would tote this out of here, but it seems like a reasonable quantity. i'm like it's unreasonable that i would tote this out of here but it seems like a reasonable quantity but no i propped it up it's still sitting there where i found it um presumably what's that unless someone thought it was a reasonable quantity and they i don't think anyone's gonna carry that out there man uh all right one last thing max um you you have your grant you've taken possession of your grandfather's fishing hat uh i wouldn't say it's a fishing hat it's a do-it-all hat is he no longer with us no he's not he passed away in 2019 oh yeah so did he specifically leave that hat to you

uh no i think my dad took it and then I took it from my dad. Okay. But yeah, it's kind of a funny story behind this hat. It's uncomfortable as crap if you can't see it right now. It looks like very waxed.

Yeah, very waxy and canvas-y. It is like an old man hat. It is old man hat. You can picture Brody. You can picture Brody. No, man. That's a grungy hat. I don't like them. Oh, you like a nice clean hat it is you can fix your brody you can fix your brody man oh you like a nice clean hat oh yeah yeah bald like it's got to feel good no that line in your hat with antler velvet well now that you mentioned this hat needs it

but my dad uh it was my grandpa's birthday and my dad got that for my grandpa for his birthday. Well, not this hat, sorry. He got a different hat for his birthday, and my grandpa hated it. And so he took the hat that my dad gave him, put it on the shelf, went out, took my dad's credit card, bought this hat, which was more expensive, and didn't tell my dad about it. And then he was just walking around with this hat, and my dad's like, hey, what happened to this hat, which was more expensive and didn't tell my dad about it. And then he was just walking around with his hat and my dad's like, Hey, what happened to this hat? And grandpa didn't say anything about it. And then my dad's birthday came around next month and the hat that my dad got my grandpa,

my grandpa just gave it back to him. Sure. Because he didn't like it. As a present. Yeah. As a present. This guy knows what he likes. Yeah.

And he found this hat. Was that one your main out that was one of your main outdoor mentors yeah big time was he prone to stealing people's credit cards uh i hope not i guess i don't know do you wear that hat i do not no this hat sits on sits on the wall sits on the shelf so um keepsake yeah big time uh but yeah um i think my i think i was six uh there's a photo of me and my grandpa when we're when i was six um out pheasant hunting and he's wearing this hat really yeah it's pretty sweet um think of all the adventures this hat oh big time big time uh but no i was just just trying to think of something cool to bring in. I was like, that's really cool to me because without my grandpa,

I don't think I would have gotten involved in hunting. Then if I wouldn't have gotten involved in hunting, I would never have picked up a camera. If I never would have picked up a camera, I wouldn't be here right now. Maybe we shouldn't put that on a shelf in the studio. I feel like it's a little too precious for. How do you preserve something like that? We're talking about the pistol.

Put some Scotchgard on it. Put it in blocks of epoxy. Oh, yeah. You know what, man? You know how people do that? Resin. Set it in a block of resin. That'd be pretty badass, man.

If I had to do that and got real good at it that's all i would do i'd have like stuff that i was like damn i shouldn't put that in there you could build a house out all that oh yeah just make your house out of stuff you sunk into blocks of resin all your cool stuff you wouldn't need to hang it on the wall because it was the wall yeah that's very cool i don't think i'll do that with this. Steve, did you know that Max is a fresh trivia champion? You won one? Yeah, sure did. Who was there?

Was Dr. Brody there? Brody was there? Was Dr. Randall? Dr. Randall was there. Giannis was there. Fair and square. Whooped him. Did you beat Giannis?

There was a three-way tiebreaker. You won one with Dr. Randall and Brody in the room? Yep. Do you want to play the tiebreaker, Steve? See if you've gotten close. I'll ask you the question. Then we're going to wrap and show up. Go ahead, Matt.

What year did Steve Irwin pass away? If you can remember, he passed away by Stingray, wasn't it? That's right. I didn't win trivia, but I got the tiebreaker. Yeah, you got the correct answer. 2009. 2006. 2006 got the correct answer. 2009. 2006.

2006. 2006. Brody was right on the nose, so we had the extra $100 donation, but he wasn't in the tiebreaker. Oh, you did that? Oh, yeah, but you didn't let him win it. No, no, no. Max won. He said 2008.

Me and Brody argued about that game the other night. Non-stop on the boat. Brody didn't. Brody just sat there. But I had a lot to say. You know how there are sore losers? I told Steve he's a

sore winner. I had to yell over to his boat multiple times to give him various thoughts on why I felt like it was a scam. Just when it was nice and quiet too.

Even though he had one. Alright everybody, thanks for joining. All right, everybody. Thanks for joining. Studio's shaping up. It's going to look good. I like the musk. Whose idea was the musk ox? That's great.

It's a whole dang wall. Yeah. Dual purpose. Someday I'm going to comb that and get all the kibbut. You remember giving me the head portion of it? To make those flies. Halloween mask. I want to comb out

enough of that stuff to have a hat made out of that kibbutz. I think that's the word for it. Kibbutz. It's more, it's like better than any wool for insulatory quality.

And I think you'd comb out a whole hat out of there and you wouldn't even be able to tell from looking at it. Because it looks like a Bigfoot hanging there. That's what I first thought.

Walked in there, I thought someone got a bigfoot did you get did you get that i killed that none of that island and you thought it was a bigfoot no years ago years ago i drew i don't even think you can draw it right now years ago i drew um uh a muskox tag for none of ac island it's an episode yeah it was like dx001 or something like that was the hunt number um and yeah man we had a good time steve you're fixing to put first light out of business with all this muskox and velvet clothing. Oh, it's true. I'm going to roll it into the lineup, man. Yeah, I know. That would be bad, wouldn't it? Because I could just picture them being like, you know, my bra line came out. Your muskox hat.

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