The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 50: Steven Rinella answers frequently asked listener questions with Remi Warren along with Janis Putelis, Garret Smith, and Rick Smith from the MeatEater crew.

Episode Date: December 8, 2016

Subjects discussed: the Latvian Eagle; federal vs state wildlife management; Remi Warren's stance on hand lotion and chapstick; latex gloves as disease prevention tool; the overdangerfication of America; blood poisoning; hunting in New Zealand; tips for introducing hunting to your kids; landscapes that have made Steve emotional; hunting boots and man Uggs; favorite gear under $20; and more.  Connect with Steve and MeatEaterSteve on Instagram and TwitterMeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeShop MeatEater Merch Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Some people have technical questions. People be like hey you know what's up i got a you know i'm shooting i got a 168 grain bullet loaded at 3 000 fps and you know and some people be like don't you think that the clintons introduced wolves to the west as a way of disarming the American population because they knew that the wolves would kill all the animals and there wouldn't be any reason to hunt anymore, and so no one would have guns, and that was the plan.

So those kind of questions. Totally plausible. Of course they did. Yeah, but in an array, you know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to say there's a wide array of... Another good example would be the one that we got the other day about my height. Yeah. How tall are you?

Six feet, two inches. That's all? You look taller. No, you're taller, Nat. Six foot, 290 pounds. So someone wrote in and was saying how the eagle is tall. And he was saying, I guess I could see some upsides and some downsides to being tall. Which makes me like, yeah, I wish you would have put his height.

So we're going to do some questions. Now, I want to dispatch a couple. The two most common questions these days coming in, and I was going to deal with these real quick, are what in the world is wrong with the online store where you can get meat eater apparel? If we had three hours tonight, I would try to explain what is wrong with the online store. Everything's wrong with the online store.

There's always like some, it's mostly a store you go to, to see things that you cannot buy. It's like a website one goes to, to see things that exist in idea only and are actually unpurchasable. That's every store for me. Oh yeah. Just cause you, yeah. Just cause you're a dirt ass can't afford it. But I'm saying this stuff is just because it doesn't exist. It's perpetually out of stock. So that's that. That'll change.

I think that'll change. It is worth going and taking a look because you can get some. There's some stuff on there. I just don't have any. There's no. Right now we have some great first light, meteor embroidered first Light stuff on there. Yeah.

Yeah. That's there. But yeah, just keep checking back on that. The other two questions, people always want to know what's up with DVDs. I feel like we kind of moved away from DVDs. Not we as a culture, but I don't know if there's DVDs anymore.

Yeah, they're in the works. Oh, they are going to come out with more DVDs. And another question is, is there a bunch more shows coming on Netflix? Right now we have two seasons of Meat Eater up on Netflix. The best thing to do is just watch them all the time. And even when you're gone, out of your house, leave it on, continuous loop,

and go give it a real good rating it'll be the best thing you could do if you want more seasons of media i mean to generate you know to to like you as a mug at home that would be a a great thing to do so that that's kind of like those are the the the the questions that are just coming in coming and coming in over and over again are those three things and there's and now we're going to get onto more, more stuff like, uh, technical ballistics and,

and, um, and then conspiracy theories. It's smart stuff. But first, uh, Giannis, the labby and Eagle.

Good evening. It's here. Dirt myth. Can't wave at him Garrett you gotta actually speak hello good stuff and then

and then and then and then Big Game Hunting Guide Author Television Personality don't you just hate that

Television Personality Remy Warren hey this is Remy I'm doing the podcast in radio voice. I think to really spice things up. So, all right, Yanni. Roll them out. Are you feeling where you want to start?

Like planning, technical, or you want to go right into conservation? No, man, just lamb. I'm going to let you. A popular word these days is curate. You're going to curate. This is the one that you said you could answer with half of your brain tied up. I would love to hear your breakdown of the dichotomy.

Oh, you know what? Can I interrupt you, Yannis? Sure. Feel free to paraphrase these people's questions. If they are 200-word questions, I will paraphrase. I'd love to hear your breakdown on the dichotomy between why we need federal management of public lands but state management of wildlife i am of course playing devil's advocate with this question but i could see it may be hard to draw the distinction between why each is better in their respective application. I like state management of wildlife. Okay, let me back up. I like these two issues are have to do

with sort of inertia. Okay, so what has been done successfully over time? I'm not a guy that's going to come and say that the federal government does everything great or that they do everything wrong. And I'm not going to say that the states always know better or the states don't know what they're talking about. I think you have to take these things on a case by case basis and also look at the historic context of what's worked and not worked in this country. Now, the way wildlife management generally works, generally, with the exception of some species that are migratory and fall under both state and federal jurisdiction, the way wildlife management in the U.S. generally works

is that wildlife is owned by the people, by you and me, by the American public. And it's owned in what's called a public trust. Now, the trustee, the person who manages this public trust, has generally been, going back well over 100 years, has generally been the states.

And the states manage wildlife very well. Now, you can point to some cases where, you know, again, going back to the late 1890s, early 1900s, where we had a lot of wildlife species go nearly extinct and we've, you know, recovered them to great effect since then. But you could go like, oh yeah, well, if state management is so great, or if our wildlife management system is so great, then how come we almost extirpated the buffalo from the United States of America? Why did the passenger pigeon go extinct? And the answer there is because the system we have in place

now wasn't in place then. We weren't doing the system we have now. The other thing about state management of wildlife is that I think that the state fish and game agencies, all 50 of them, do generally a very good job of managing wildlife as a renewable resource. I find that states tend to be hunting friendly and do a lot of good science-based management. And it's just a system that has served us well, and I don't like to see it get interrupted. Now and then, a species might fall to low numbers and fall under federal protection under the ESA or Endangered Species Act. But the object of that act is to give that animal protection, add some extra muscle to protecting the animal

with the goal of getting it back off the list. And when it gets off the list, it goes back to state management. So state management is where wildlife kind of, for lack of a better expression, is kind of where wildlife wants to be. Now, why it doesn't work with, why it doesn't make sense to then say like, okay, so states do good with wildlife. Why shouldn't the states get all of our federal land? Because states have different obligations with assets like land. Now, a lot of states cannot run budgetary deficits. And when a state holds

land as an asset and they have a budget deficit, they can wind up in a situation where they need to dump off lands to raise money. The federal government is buffered from a lot of those pressures that come and go with economic trends and economic times. Now, if you take a look, a lot of states got one section out of every 36 sections as something called school trust lands. So a lot of your state parks and school properties and all that kind of stuff is in what was originally deemed a school trust land, meaning the states were given one section out of every 36 to monetize those sections

in order to pay for public education. Texas went and liquidated and sold off virtually all of their school trust lands. So now, if you ever wonder about the paucity of public lands in state parks and state forests in the state of Texas, you can blame the desire to dump lands in order to get quick monetary gains. When we're talking about the public land heist right now, what we're talking about is it's being pushed by people who will tell you that our federal lands ought to be given over to the states because people in the states know better than the federal government because the federal government is just a bunch of big bureaucrats off of Washington, D.C.

Don't know their, you know, on and on and on. What they really want, though, what they're getting at is they want to streamline the process of monetizing those lands. They're pissed because it might be hard to get permits to do extractive industry, to do various development projects on these lands. They feel that it'd be a hell of a lot easier to play ball with the states when you're trying to do exploitation of land than it is with the feds so they want to move federal lands to state control because they know that they will either wind up being privatized that is sold off to the highest bidder or they'll be much easier to develop and do extraction projects on them that's what it's about so ground and critters are just different kinds of things. Good answer.

That was a long ass answer. Because before you answer that, I can answer that in one sentence. No, I didn't say that. I said it with relative ease. Oh, that was a different question. No, not with one sentence. All right, Yanni.

What's next, man? Cleanliness in the field. Why do you not use gloves? Remy, do you... You were using gloves the other day. I do use gloves. Remy's just cutting up an elk with gloves on. Yeah, but when you're guiding and you're doing it all the time,

here's why I use gloves. I'll give you the glove defense. Hey, man. I'm not opposed to gloves. I don't use them, but I actually think it's a good idea you're never gonna regret using gloves no because i you know if you're guiding or whatever you you're cutting up a lot of animals first thing the blood dries your hands out and they start cracking bleeding it actually gets pretty painful especially when it's cold so you know some people, but I have got blood poisoning before. So that's my, and it wasn't, it was on an elk skull that I left out,

but I thought, ah, and I poked myself with a knife and got the old blood poisoning. And that was not fun. How did that manifest? So I poked myself in the thumb, but I don't even remember. I barely remember doing it. I went inside. Afterwards, I washed with antibacterial soap and water. My friend had called and then got a deer, so I went and helped him get it out.

And then I hunted the rest of the week. We were in an area where there was a lot of spider, like in the timber, and there was a lot of spiders in there. So I thought I maybe got bit by a spider because one day it seemed, my thumb kind of itched, seemed agitated. It started to feel sore, and it kind of grew like a spider bite at this point the the poke was completely gone it was already healed yeah I didn't really even put you know I vaguely even remember doing it because it's so minute then my thumb

really started to hurt and start to swell up and look purplish i thought well maybe it was a bad spider bite and then i went to bed that night thinking this thing really hurts and i woke up the next day and it was nearly black about twice the size and my whole arm hurt all the way up the veins my armpit was was like, Oh, really? So you knew something was going on. And I said, yep, that was, and then I, and then I put all the pieces to the puzzle together and said, Oh yeah, it was from poking myself. And, uh, I'll say this, the, the, the, the latex gloves aren't going to prevent the poke, but they might've prevented some of the intrusion of, uh, of blood into the poke.

No, but what it made me think is, I mean, how many times, every time I'm out hunting, I mean, my hands right now are covered in cuts. Yes. So if I'm in the blood or viscera or anything, and it's because what I'm relating it to is it was such a minute poke,

it didn't even cut the skin really. Yeah. It would have been just as easy to be on the hundreds of scratches on my hand yeah so scratch from a thorn whatever exactly anything i mean my hands are covered in that so when you're in there if you got something like that in there you know and then there's been a couple times where i've cleaned an animal eaten a sandwich and gotten sick afterwards too afterwards too. Like a client may have got shot something, get it on my hands, rub it off on the snow, eat a sandwich, and I'm violently ill, like food poisoning type sick the next day.

Yeah, I'm going to probably go toward gloves. I wear them now messing with rabbits. I'm trying to remember to wear a mess of rabbits because of tularemia. So rabbits have a little flea or mite on them, you know, and that thing can bite you and give you a, you know, a bacterial infection. And they kind of get all over your arms and everything, but I've been wearing gloves there to prevent those little sons of bitches. And then I'm probably going to start doing it. Now, I'll tell you a little insider trick. We're up hunting on Nunavik Island.

The chupac Eskimo that we were hunting with, I'm sure a lot of people do this, but they have an idea, like when you're butchering an animal and it's super cold, it's just very hard to keep, you know what I mean? Like the meat's warm, but after a while your fingers are just going to get cold. They put on a light wool glove and then put the latex gloves

over that light wool glove. Oh, yeah. And man, does that make it nice. I've done that before. Yeah. Cold weather, cold weather field work. It's just a whole different deal, man.

Because even when you get that warm blood in your hands, the minute you lift your hand away from that thing it just freezes yeah yeah but i will say though i think when i'm filming or doing anything for tv i don't wear gloves because i think it looks weird i don't like the way it looks really yeah just like i don't know why that's weird but i mean not i don't think i do intentionally but you know i also if i'm i don't know it's just easier to wipe your hands off sometimes if I'm messing with a camera or something. Yeah, but I think he's talking about just hygiene gloves. Oh, yeah. No, I'm talking like when I'm cleaning an animal.

Oh, yeah. See, I always am on the lookout for things because I'm always worried about stuff that's like just like turning into a candy ass. So when people first started hiking with walking with ski poles, I was like, I'm not going to do that because that looks like one more step in the direction of candy assness. I felt the same way when people started using gloves, like,

cause I'm always trying to push. I'm always trying to like people who think that everything's so risky and dangerous, you know, like who are just like people who are like bizarre about all the stuff they won't eat and they won't go near this. And I just always like, yeah, I'm always a little leery of like over danger, the over dangerification of America

or the perception of danger. So I lump those things in with this problem of people thinking everything's too dangerous all the time. However, I have many dear friends who hike around with trekking poles, ski poles. And I have many dear friends who wear gloves. And I don't think that they're hysterical and worried about everything being dangerous. Makes sense. You cool on all that dirt?

I mean, there's certain things I don't do. I will never put chapstick on, ever. Oh, come on now. I got two tubes in my pocket right now. We can't even talk anymore. This conversation, podcast over. That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. If I shake someone's hand and they have lotion-y palms,

I'm a little leery of that person. Wait, that's not like chapstick. No, chapstick like chapstick. No, it's just in my mind. When I don't use chapstick, I do not use hand lotion, but I use chapstick. See chapstick to me, you put chapstick on when your lips are bleeding and you can put it on for the duration that it is bleeding. That is okay. But if your lips are not bleeding, chapstick should never touch your lip. I use it prophylactically. Oh, no, you're addicted. No. It's like Garrett and his chew. Dirtman is

categorically absolutely addicted to chewing tobacco. Do you use sunscreen, Remy? I do use sunscreen. Why is that okay? It's preventing cancer. So is Chapstick. Dirt, you cool so far? I'm just curious if you had any bad ill effects from not wearing gloves like Remy's story

throughout the ages. Other than the rabbits. I can't think of anything that's happened to me that it would not have happened. With gloves. Now, I can think of a couple hundred things that would not have happened if I was wearing cut-proof gloves.

Yeah. Now that's – Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's – I mean, my hands, I nick my – I mean, everybody, you're nicking your knuckles. I mean, that just happens. Yeah, and like cut-proof gloves, but then you lose some of your dexterity.

But you don't lose your dexterity with – Latex. Yeah, I call them latex gloves. I don't even know if they – Are they latex? Yeah, they are. See, all these keep in two, but if you nick yourself

and then you cover it up, I mean, I would just generally put it on. If you cut yourself bad, then you can put the glove on, keep everything out of the fresh cut. That's a good point. When I pulled the gloves out the other day, I pulled them out after I cut myself.

Now, in my kit, in my kit, I carry alcohol swabs. So those little square single serving alcohol swabs, I carry alcohol swabs. I carry some sort of triple, like neosporin, triple antibiotic ointment. I carry Band-Aids and I carry tape. And I am very careful about when I get a cut processing, you know, doing field butchering, I douche it good with water.

Then I douche it really good with that alcohol swab. Then I put triple antibiotic ointment in there. Then I put a Band-Aid on it and then I seal it up with med tape. Yeah, that was the best doctor job I've had in the field. Yeah, I'm adamant about carrying those things. I got like a real heavy-duty little super sort of little envelope. Yeah. You know, a sealable, like reusable double-sealed envelope. And in there, I keep all that stuff, and I keep it right in my kit.

Yeah. And so that might be part of the thing. Cause I've had a lot of infections. Like when you're cleaning fish, like let's say you're cleaning, uh, um, quill bag, rock fish. Oh yeah. And you put that dorsal, one of those dorsal spines into your hand. It's just gonna get infected, man. Oh yeah.

You know, follow up question. When you got diagnosed, this is your followup or the askers follow-up mine okay when you were diagnosed with blood poisoning did they explain like exactly what happens in in that instance like obviously the elk's blood got through the cut no what it was is bacteria it was a it was an old skull right yeah well it was a it was an old skull right yeah well it was a it was a fresh skull but i left it out in the sun and then it started to stink you know it was like i had yeah so because i packed it out put it in a bag left the bag there and like sun beat on it yeah you're like oh gosh that stinks i'm just gonna saw the skull and then poked myself somehow you know i

don't even know if i i don't know if it must have been with a knife or something somehow they treat did they treat it with a souped up antibiotic yeah an ivy and then oh you did the idea yeah so did you have to do it for 28 days uh no i did it was only two days of ivy and then 28 or however long of the souped up pills like four pills at every you know pill every four hour or whatever it is you know it's just like a random enough bacteria that is not seen like often and so when this happens it's just it's so heavy duty and it attacks your body with such strength that you have to take those kind of measures. Right. Yeah. Well, yeah. Somehow what happens? I,

what I, I'm no doctor, but I'm assuming the bacteria is. Yes. Yeah. Tell me again. Okay. So it started hurting right here.

No. So the bacteria is essentially in your bloodstream because your lymph, the reason my armpit was swollen was my lymph nodes were trying to process the bacteria from getting it to the rest of my body is what I gathered. But yeah, I think we should do another question. That was a good follow-up question. Yeah. Oh, I like this one. This is where I'm kind of dead meat and carcasses. We've only got two done, man. All right. A little paraphrasing here.

My name is Matt. I shot a whitetail doe 6 p.m. Friday evening. I'm tracking. Retrieved the deer 10 p.m. the same night. Temperature was cold, but coyotes got to my deer first. They started eating the hindquarter.

My question is, should I still eat the deer? Yeah, why not? Eat what's not messed up. It's like the coyotes put strychnine in there or something. Yeah, it's not going to affect anything. No, just eat whatever's not messed up. If you're worried about it, just trim off where they bit. Unless the deer turns to a werewolf.

Yeah, unless it does something weird. But no, of course, man. I mean, I would trim around any kind of damage they did. But yeah. That's a big deal, man. I've got more friends that that's happened to now. Carl Malcolm has had that happen to him. He hit an antelope.

I can't remember if he was bow hunting. I think he was bow hunting. Hit an antelope and gave it a half hour and went down to track it. Now, when he went down the gully where it ran into to track it, he heard an antelope run off and then he's like shoot i got a bad hit i just bumped it then he waited a long time later until he started hearing all kinds of coyotes yipping and carrying on then he goes down there and in fact the one was laying right it was laying right dead where he thought it was. The one that ran off must have been something else or jumped another antelope out of there.

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if you visit onxmaps.com slash meet. onxmaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. Yeah. Trimmed it up and used it. You know, I don't even remember the detail. I mean, I remember that part, but I don't remember what happened from there. I'm just saying, like, people, you know, you hear a lot about people losing stuff to coyotes.

I would be, you know, a lot of guys that bow hunt, you know, they'll get a hit and they'll come back in the morning. I would be, we never did that. I don't like to do that. I'd be extremely reluctant to do that unless I lived in the area that had very low coyote numbers and it was like about 10 degrees below zero. I killed an elk with my bow one time and we were out and it was a bad grizzly area. I killed it in the evening. Um, it was, you know, when we started working on it, it was already dark and we didn't want to gut it because we knew that if we gutted it, the smell of the gutting would have grizzlies all over it. And this was early season and days were pretty short.

And so we just went back down to our tents and got our stuff and slept and then went back up there at first light. And it was a cold night. Went back up there at first light and thought it would be cool. And some meat around that bull's ball sockets on the rear hams had already started to sour. We lost probably, I don't know, 5, 10 pounds of meat from around the ball sockets on the back hams.

So, yeah, you got to get after it. I was wondering, people were talking about, oh, yeah, we went back the next day. And I'm thinking about the weather. I was like, maybe this isn't part of the story you're telling me, but there's no way you didn't lose parts of that critter. In my experience, if I make a shot or even you just don't know, you don't want to push the animal because the last thing you want to do is push the animal.

You will not find. If I have an archery client or something and they shoot an elk or something further back, the last thing I want to do is push it animal. You will not find, if I have an archery client or something, they shoot it, an elk or something further back, the last thing I want to do is push it because I know I won't find it, you know, but I know if I leave it, I'll find it. This year, my dad shot a mule deer in August in Nevada, far back, you know, we left it overnight. We found it, you know, pretty much, I don't know, after sunup, but, you know, much i don't know after sunup but you know i've been sitting there it was warm but all the meat was good i've never lost any meat of anything i found the next day not one that only happened to me that one time and that was the only time i had left something unguarded overnight i mean i feel like an elk is a much different animal

but i mean i've had i've had hunters that hunters that we've gone back the next day to find them. Most of the time, it's probably pretty cold. And I can't, and just in my experience, I can't personally think of losing any meat. And I feel like we often, I mean, I am, because maybe because I've never lost anything, I'm of the kind of opinion, better be safe than sorry and just come back tomorrow. Yeah, if I hadn't had that experience, and yeah, I mean, it'd be really helpful if I knew, if I could tell you like,

oh, and the air temperature was this. I just remember it was like not below freezing, but a cool night. And we were back up at first light. So was in september and i killed it right at dark we were back at first light and it was it was sour like unquestionably soured around the ball joints yeah so all right we never lost a single one that i can remember in colorado in 10 years that we would leave and i don't know. That might have been. You're saying you never lost any meat or left one undone overnight?

Any meat. We never lost any meat. Really? But the one that we, once in Arizona, we left a bull overnight, found him first, first thing in the morning. He was shot at dark, found him first, first thing in the morning and uh we lost half that elk oh really did it rain that night no but it definitely didn't get below freezing it was probably like uh you know mid to low 40s kind of an evening yeah i could see it i mean elk retain

heat so well oh yeah that i could see it happening with elk but i I think deer, I think, I don't know, you'd probably be better off maybe letting them sit if it was a marginal shot than pushing a gut shot deer. Yeah, you got to think about it too. I mean, it's really, I don't want to belabor the point, but you got to take serious what Remy's saying here about not pushing stuff. Yeah. Not pushing animals because if you get a questionable hit on an animal,

it's very likely going to run off and not far and lay down and probably die. Now, the thing about pushing them is it's not that if you go after something and push it, it's not that you're prolonging its life.

You're just moving it to a place you're not going to find it. Like that thing may be, he's going to be alive for X amount of time. Now, if he spends that time that he's alive hauling ass, he's going to be, you know, when he expires, he's going to be out in a place where you have no way of finding him if there's no good blood trail. So, yeah, you got to be careful not to.

Yeah, you just got to weigh your options. I've been in that situation quite a number of times especially when i was younger when we like a lot of us friends family like a lot of people out doing a lot of bow hunting for whitetails and doing you know like in the month of october in the month of november spending you know having a lot of blood trailing experiences throughout that time. You're getting that thing where you're going along on a trail and all of a sudden you hear something crash off in the brush and you just get that sinking feeling like, man,

this is going to turn into a chase. You know? Yeah. This one comes from Emmett. Remy, you're going to be a great help on this one. Emmett would like to go to New Zealand. DIY. Remy. It's like built for Remy, you're going to be a great help on this one. Emmett would like to go to New Zealand. DIY. Remy.

It's like built for Remy. Red stag on public lands does not want to hire a guide or go to a ranch. He doesn't want to hire you, Remy. I don't guide. He'd probably go with Remy. I just orchestrate. No, he doesn't want to hire an orchestrator. An orchestra?

What about a concierge? So obviously, you could write a few chapters of a book off this question. But I can answer that question. So let me make sure I got it right. He wants to go to New Zealand and do a DIY public land red stag hunt. Got it. I don't know the answer, but I'm guessing that's hard. Okay.

Yeah. Here's all he has to, I mean, first he has to have realistic expectations. If he wants to be successful, he's not going to shoot a big giant stag like he sees on TV. So if he knows that going into it, cool. Then he'll have a great time. Then the only other thing he needs to do, just go on the department of conservation website, New Zealand department of conservation website and study it because it

will show him essentially everywhere he can go that has red deer to hunt. So finding the spot, which is kind of the hard part of hunting sometimes, where should I go? They'll just pretty much tell you where to go. And unlike here where they just kind of give you general area they'll tell you exactly where you can access the trailhead a phone number to call to get permission to cut through land and you can be on your way i mean it wouldn't hurt to maybe make some friends via the social media that's out there of people that hunt and kind of pick their brains and don't ask them necessarily where they hunt but what they might think about if you go to someone say what do you think about this place or this place and be friendly in a conversation uh you'll probably

find that you'll get a lot of help yeah it's you have to go out of your way to find a kiwi that's not gonna be friendly be friendly and give you some info yeah and i mean i'm sure there's some people that take the approach oh stay up but to be honest most people are like oh yeah that's awesome and really if i lived in new zealand or whatever and an american was like hey you know where could i go i'd be like i would give them information because someday i may want to go hunt in america and see what their world's all about it's just a great way to connect with people i mean i've met a lot of cool people while being out there and i've met people on the trails out there and been like oh hey next week we're going to this spot want to come with us yeah i'd love to and you know it's just

uh it's just a really friendly hunter friendly place aren't there some permit draw hunts for red deer yeah they are but um you know that if you're going over for the first time, I wouldn't even worry about it. I'd just go where it's at. They're an extremely difficult to access. The permit draws, aren't they? In some part of the island, it's very difficult to be in. Yeah, so it's actually getting more popular in a lot of places. There's a Fiordland Wapiti block, which is our elk.

And that's so during the roar is the only time. You can go in there any other time, but there's like permits just during the peak of the rut. Oh, so that's not red deer. Some of the units have red deer. Some of the units are more elk. A lot of them are crossbred. Oh, okay.

I got you. But yeah, Department of Conservation website. You don't need to worry about messing with that. Yeah. And there's a book you could't need to worry about messing with that. Yeah. And there's a book you could buy online. It's called Spot X. It pretty much marks every hunting spot on like a really easy to read map. It tells you how to get there

and what the people saw. That's pretty easy. Wow. Spot X. Yeah. That guy came to the right place, man. Yeah. Brandon asks,

how about a workout guide slash tips for a Midwest person planning a fall elk hunt in Montana? I think we just did this for a long time recently, talked about this subject. Let's move on to a different subject. You don't want to talk? Oh, I was going to. No, didn't we talk for a long time about how

Yeah, in Colorado. You just got to walk all the time up and down. It's not about trying to get your neck thicker and your wider ears. It's about endurance. Can I add something to that, though? Please. If it's okay to answer this question, then we can just add a little bit. They haven't heard Randy's take on it.

This is my take. If you're going to come to Montana or wherever and do a hunt okay you're doing all this workout to be ready but you're going to be wearing a pair of boots that you've walked in for a couple trips to the tree I just talked about this I'm like if you're going to do here's what you should do if you're going to go hunt next year wear your hunting boots every day to work wear your hunting boots every day like work. Wear your hunting boots every day. Like if you're going to wear a stiff pair of boots, a pair of Kenne Trek boots takes 50 miles to break in. And that's, and when you start walking uphill, they break in different. So whatever boots you're

going to wear, you need to wear them every day. Yeah. I was just talking about this. That's just as important. And I was saying, when people are going to talk about, I'm going on this big old Western hunt, what should I do? They're always like, what knife should I get? I'm like, no, no, no. There's two things you need to do. Get in good shape and break your boots in. Oh, yeah.

And no one ever, ever does either of those two things. I deal with a lot of people on their first elk hunt, or like first time out West, or even guys that just aren't used to it come out elk hunting. Everyone's feet are tore up. They never believe you no they can't like there's something in the human mind that cannot accept that it takes a long time to break boots and boots and feet yeah i mean if your feet i've seen feet that are so tore up it

cripples you more than being out of breath bad. I've seen feet problems ruin more hunts than any other cause. What I do, I walk around barefoot a lot. You're hearing right now from a man who's wearing a pair of Uggs. No, no. These are Uggs. These are Muggs. They're man Uggs. They were made before.

They're from Australia, and they were made before Uggs ever existed. Oh, okay. They're Muggs. They were a gift. And you're lounging around. They're on the floor. You relax. You know, I should point out,

he doesn't actually have mine, do you? They're next to him. He's barefoot. He has them near his feet. But I do walk around barefoot a lot to break my, like callus my feet up. I walk around, like, I actually hike barefoot quite often

just to get them tough. What's next, Yanni? Brad asks, well, first he says, he's a first-generation hunter, new father, and he's looking forward to the day he can take his kids out in the field. He's interested to hear how you, Steve, plan on introducing hunting as a lifestyle activity to your kids. Oh, that was a quick question. Well, my kids, at our house, when we eat dinner at night, we just eat game meat. And then we talk all about that. That the first step i think that's one of the more important steps first off is they just have that approach so when they sit down their assumption

is that we're eating deer meat um and i think that starts to put i feel that's kind of put them in the right mind frame of how to think about animals and understanding because it creates a lot of conversations about where this stuff comes from what it requires what kind of sacrifices on our part as society requires to you know maintain productive wildlife populations and what goes into harvesting wildlife and and getting into conversations about sex and death and stuff like that. That's been a key thing in getting my kids interested in the outdoors. The other thing that I like to do is take them out fishing. Because I think that kids can, you can have good experiences fishing with kids

much younger than you have good experiences hunting with kids. I take them out to areas sometimes where it's like high, like high action fishing, right? Catching a lot of fish, but I don't want to spoil them like that. So, you know, sometimes we'll go to areas where it's not high action, but I think mainly just trying to make it fun and try to force them a little bit and push them a little bit and get in there and boss them around a bit and show them that everything in life isn't just someone telling you how great you're doing at everything,

but also to be sensitive to their attention span, whether or not they're comfortable. My dad, he pushed us really hard and put us into a lot of physically uncomfortable situations. He was a big ice fisherman. I froze my fingers bad a couple of times when I was a little kid. I kind of look back and marvel that it didn't backfire, that he didn't push us away from wanting to be in the out of doors with some of the approaches that he took i tried to make those mistakes but i tried to also realize that you are sort of showing them um that a good life skill is to be comfortable being uncomfortable and so yeah just i guess even though that all sounds somewhat contradictory, I guess it's approaching it not in a haphazard way,

but make it an approach in a way where you're sort of thinking it out, making a plan, weighing where the kid's at and what they're doing, and just try to act in a conscientious way as you bring them into the world. And I'm sure there's a hundred good ways of doing it. And probably one of the keys is to do it in a way where you're analyzing your, you know, you're, you're thinking about your next step. You're being mindful with it and not being blase about it. How about you, Yanni?

You got young kids. Yeah. No, it's been interesting. I think that, like you're saying, being conscientious about how you do it and making sure they're having a good time. And I think that putting the time in now and just taking a step back and being, I guess think that putting the time in now and real and just, and just taking a step

back and being, um, I guess humbled by the situation and just knowing that like, cause I'm always thinking like, Oh, I'm going to squeeze an antelope hunt. I'll take my daughter with me. Well, I'm not really squeezing an antelope hunt at that point. It's like, I'm taking my daughter hunting and it's like, it just changes the whole game. You have to be out there not really thinking like okay what am i going to do to kill an antelope it's like what am i going to do to make sure she enjoys herself yeah it changes the trip a lot yeah maybe we'll kill something maybe we won't but

um and i think that i think i could see i could see how it'd be very easy i don't know too many people that do this but i could see how could it be very easy to say oh i'm gonna hunt with them when they're like older and they turn into you know more mature people and then they can just hunt with me as opposed to having to go through the process that we're going through now probably too late well yeah exactly it's kind of too late we're like like you're saying start them off fishing with some high action fishing because you know then that will turn them into like big game hunters. Although I've taken her probably on just as many big game hunts as I have fishing trips. Um, it's, you know, I carry her on my shoulders all the way up to the top of the ridge. Then we make like a 500 yard walk down the ridge and then I carry her

in the dark, you know, back down to the truck, You know, that's kind of the end of the hunt. But it's, yeah, it's like just taking the time now, I feel like, and then I'm hoping that in five years it's going to pay off. Oh, yeah, you can't all of a sudden wait until your kid's like a teenager and be like, son, there's this thing I like to do. Yeah. It's just like, you know, maybe that'll work for you, but it's not going to be as good. Jump right in. Another trick I, i probably should call it trick another thing

that i noticed works for people and it works well for me is don't start filling your kids heads up with ideas of like big white tails or certain fish being cool and certain not fish not being cool and like oh king salmon now that's a great fish but pink salmon you know if we catch one sure but main thing is king salmon you know when you can't catch the fish it is it is time to celebrate I don't care if it's a mountain whitefish or a pink salmon or a bluegill or a rock bass or a chub. It's like when your kid catches a fish, that sumbitching fish is the coolest thing in the world. You've always wanted to get one like that. You go home. You make a big deal out of cooking that fish.

Mom's like, like man that's the best fish i ever had right it's exciting it's not like there is no like oh it's just a pinky there's a pink salmon no it's like man dude you caught the coolest fish in the ocean because like they're just you know i mean the kids are simple man i mean there's like they put a high value on getting approval from people they respect. And for me, I don't need to act like I think Chubbs and Pink Salmon are cool. I do think they're cool. And I let them know that I think they're cool.

And then, you know, I kind of amplified a little bit. And just like that kind of encouragement, man. What's another question yanni was there ever a hunt or a view i'm guessing a view as in like a beautiful landscape that got you emotional or in parentheses, cry, what was it? Now, this is under the category of miscellaneous fun. Oh, yeah. I'll say, okay, was there ever? So the question is, was there ever?

I will say, yes, there was. Remy? Yes, there was. Well, no, but it says, what was it? Oh, really? Yeah. A couple of, yeah, some of them are too hard to explain. One example was watching a, one example was watching a indigenous, you know, an indigenous person in South America build an arrow with native materials. One was like living somewhere a long time

and then moving away a long time and then going back to that somewhere and kind of remembering a lot of things that happened there, shit like that. Yeah, different times. Handful of things that happened there, shit like that. Yeah, different times. Handful of things. And then things surrounding, you know, my dad dying.

My dad died at an old age. It wasn't like he died young. But, yeah, things surrounding my dad dying and time we spent in the out-of-doors. Definitely happens. What about you, Remy? Yeah, I mean, I can think of lots of instances. You get blood poisoning?

No, I mean, like, actually, happens why you around me yeah i mean i can think of lots of instances yeah no i mean like actually um yeah like the first uh first deer that uh mule deer that i shot with my recurve you know i mean it was like a very you know i was like okay well you know like a lot of work went into it and it happens and i think that's you know it can be like a rush of emotion yeah um yeah i mean there's a lot of things that I've seen. It's like, holy cow, that's a crazy view, and it makes you really sit and think about things. I mean, I remember one time sitting actually where you guys went deer hunting this year up on that ridge, and I mean, it's a moment I'll remember for the rest of my life

and just laying up looking at the stars, and it's like on the top of that ridge, the stars are almost below you and thinking, oh, my God, I feel so small. You know, this is weird just being here. You know, those kind of thoughts. I was there a day. I took my six-year-old. My six-year-old played hooky with me for half the day because I took him to the rifle range. And we come back from the rifle range.

And we drove by a house we were renting before we moved into the house we recently purchased. And as we were driving, we were driving over a bridge. And we were looking at a beach where we would always swim and looking at a place where we would fish perch. And my six-year-old, and I was like, oh, yeah, remember, Jimmy? This is like, you know. And, you know, it had only been a year ago. But when you're six, it's like a humongous chunk of your life right and he said to me he says sometimes I'll remember things and it makes me cry inside my brain but in a happy way and I'm like yeah man I don't know

exactly what you're talking about dude yeah I know exactly what you're talking about, dude. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I can't follow that one up. Jimmy gets the quarter of the night. That's a good one. Hey, folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. And, boy, my goodness do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes.

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onxmaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the OnX club, y'all. Does the state target beginner hunters with once in a lifetime tags out of the assumption they're less likely to fill their tag? No. No. Next question. They wouldn't even know. Does hunting become work when it's your job?

Is that a trick question? No. Okay, that was inherently. That was the paraphrased version. When my season, this is the full question. When my season ends in December, I start to think about next season. Doing it month after month, does it take away your love for the outdoors or the excitement of the accomplishments?

I guess what I'm saying, does it just become your job? No. No. I mean, I'm very aware of what my job is. But here's a good way of putting that. And I'd be curious to hear Remy's take on it. I guess my job. My job is like two things, right?

So it's having experiences is a part of my job. Translating experiences is a part of my job. I think that having the experiences is really no difference really like very similar to probably anyone's enjoyment of like meaningful life experiences right like when i'm out doing if we're out on a hunt that you know the old before like a hunt that i was going to write about or now we're out filming a hunt the actual hunting part just feels like having an experience that you want to have and it's playing out how it plays out the work for me and i don't mean i don't use work in a negative way because i'd love to work the work for me is or the job aspect is is translating it into something that is pleasurable, entertaining,

informative for other people. I guess that's like the work part. But I love that part, but I think of that as the work part. I don't think of like when we're actually out on the mountain, you know, like filming a hunt. I don't know. It doesn't feel to me at all like, oh, man, I'm at work. I'll say to people, I'm like, yeah like yeah we know when we're out at work we eat a lot of mountain house but it's just like a

sort of a shorthand way of explaining that i'm out but it doesn't feel like that i'm sure it's different for you guys who are on the crew because you're not actually hunting and then you know remy i'm sure it's got a difference i think from person to person but i think all of us on our crew and a lot of people that we hunt with you know like remy were brought up in families where work ethic was pushed very hard yeah so like we're not scared of the hard work and the physical work and it's not like you go like you're not dreading that out there i mean there's plenty of people that would come on days with us and be like, the hell with that. Oh, yeah. But like for us, it's fun.

And so, yeah, I think I think when in quotations, when people say that, like, does it become work? It's like, no, it's like we're lucky enough that our in quotations work is this great thing that we enjoy. Yeah, I'm only happy being productive we enjoy yeah i'm only happy whatever productive like i'm only happy like being productive it could be like being productive as a parent or or being helpful and productive as a husband or being you know like like i don't like idle i don't like idle moments so when we're out it's like twofold because one one thing is you're out doing something that i love and i've always loved and that i set out wanting to find a way to make it work as a for a living and the other hand i am doing something

i'm producing something and so yeah i just i feel nothing but but good i do i'd have to agree with you though for me as a cameraman it is work with the duty to the responsibility to capture what you're trying to convey to the larger public. Like that, the physical activity, the long days, whatever that's in the like camaraderies, all. There's a big technical aspect for you because you're dealing with a lot of equipment. So it is, it's definitely a combination of like, this is exactly what I want to do, but also like,

there's this accountability for what we're experiencing and it's work to stay focused on that like you can't just internalize this experience you're having to work to yeah you know keep track of it make sure you capture it to its best ability but it's it's definitely different than most people's work oh yeah no you like you as a cameraman i would be more like you say like yeah like you've been working all day like you've been doing your craft all day yeah i've been doing same so like now when i'm hunting it's like like the way we work though um the hunts are the hunts are like in large, what happens is what would happen in the absence of the cameras. Without a doubt, yeah. I mean, to almost like a stunning degree, we found a way to do it where what would happen is happening.

There's some things that are different. Everything seems to take a little bit longer. Yeah, just some things are a little bit different. But, you know, it doesn't bother me. It's like we're out there creating some false spectacle. No, yeah. Sometimes I feel like I haven't worked a day in my life in my job while working extremely hard at the same time because I enjoy it.

If I wasn't, I feel like when it becomes work, it is definitely difficult. Otherwise, everyone would do it. You know, there is an element where you have to really dig in and work really hard. I mean, I was telling Steve the other day, well, I'm actually,

I'm just like a lifestyle guy. I loved hunting so much. I knew since I was a kid that I wanted to hunt. I could hunt every day. I'm the type of person that I could just do this every day. And when I graduated and was a younger man, I said, how am I going to be able to hunt every day? And I'm going to be able to do it guiding. So when I first started guiding, I worked my ass off. I mean, I would pack out elk all night long just to be there, show back up first thing in the morning to go back out again to be successful and constantly be hunting. Yeah, Remy would have his clients back sleeping and he would go out in the dark and walk looking for tracks in the snow. Oh, yeah. I would go out and scout,

just like drive roads looking for where elk were crossing. You know, look for tracks, anything. Come back, pick them up, head back out. You know, just, I mean, because, and it was tough work, but I loved it because it was like, this is how I can be outside hunting all the time. And then over the years, it's morphed into other things, TV, this, that, and the other thing.

But still, I only do it because that's the way that I want to live. So as long as I can make a means to be out there hunting, it's the same as it's always been. Now there's times where, yeah, you feel like, oh, and it's maybe a little bit different for me. I think if I had a family and other things, then it would feel more like an obligation. Whereas you guys, you guys have that because you have other obligations. I have at this point, no other obligations. So I don't have that pressure of when I go out hunting, it's not me detracting from other obligations i have in life you know it's it's my only obligation so for me it never feels like

like work but i could see it sometimes feeling hard like just like anything where but i don't think it would ever take away my love of hunting yeah that, that is a big downside is the family issue. But I think that probably goes beyond the, I'd speak to that, but it kind of goes beyond the scope of the question is asked. What's next, Giannis? We've done this one before,

but I think we can just touch on it again because I think our- Is it about the Clintons and the wolves? That's actually true. No, because we ran into a guy. Giannis ran into a guy today, right? Oh, yeah. The tracks turned into wolves.

Can we talk about this guy? No. I don't think so. No? All right. Oh, but the question is, how do you air travel with meat? Oh.

Do you use coolers with dry ice, regulations with the airlines, approximate cost? We have a very good system when it comes to butchering your own. So we butcher our own stuff. And here's what we do when we're traveling. If we get it when we kill an animal, we butcher it into primal cuts. So basically break it down into muscles. And then we have trim bags, okay? So you got it broken down into your big muscles,

anything you're going to grind up for burgers, sausages, whatever, we call that trim. We put all of it into gallon-sized Ziplocs, labeled. Put a real good chill on it, or if need be, freeze it, then pack those into coolers now we use the soft-sided yeti coolers those 40 size 40 yeti hoppers because they don't weigh anything because when you pack when you check a bag on the airline you know it's it's got to be 50 pounds or else you got to pay extra.

So when I load a box up with 50 pounds of meat, I want it to be as much meat and as little cooler as possible. So that's why we started using those hoppers. Because when you pack a 50-pound box, you got 40-plus pounds of meat and not like half and half cooler to meat ratio. Fly it home. Then as soon as we get home, we divvy that up, take those bags home, properly wrap them,

and freeze them. What do you, what will you normally chill them in? Cooling. It could be anything, man. We've done some, we've gone up and gone in, eaten in a restaurant,

and then being like, hey man man here's the deal right we have been had cold weather and chilled them outside i've done yeah i explained another thing i've done before and kind of got in trouble with it when i mentioned it on the i was on an npr program once and mentioned the strategy i had for chilling me. And then they got a couple complaints that I heard about. And I got reprimanded by it from the network for saying what it was. But it's a good meat chilling strategy. What other ways do you put chill on stuff?

Well, I would say you got to be cautious with the hoppers and dry ice. Oh, shit. Yeah, man. Those things are airtight. Don't put dry ice in the hopper. It'll blow up like a hand grenade. You know what you can do, though? Just don't leave the zipper cracked.

Yeah, but I think because the airlines, if there's a potential for it, I stick a straw in there. And then I'm like, oh, it's vented. With dry ice. Yeah. We don't use dry ice. No. Not that I have any real gripe with it.

No, no, no. We did one time. We have overnight at the hotel. Yeah, that's true. Chill and cooler. And then we take it out. Yep. One night, we couldn't find a good chill place.

That's right. Yeah. But you know what? A lot of guys, man, like some taxidermists have coolers. Hotels always have coolers. Some butchers have. Some butchers will do meat storage the seattle airport for instance has a has a guy there i can't remember his name it's like ken's like freezer and he's

right in sea tack airport and you can bring him a box and he'll just put in the freezer and charge you like a nominal fee to leave it in his freezer we've gone gone in and not long ago, we had a guy go home with some meat. He just went to his hotel. They found some freezer space for him. Some hotel rooms have those little mini fridges. We were just out in Colorado hunting and we had a place that had one fridge, turn the freezer on full blast, put everything in the freezer. You can turn the fridge all the way down, put it in the fridge, swap it around. You know, it's like once you get the body heat off an animal and get it chilled, it's remarkably stable, man. Oh, yeah.

It's remarkably stable. I do a lot of the same things you guys do. But just a reminder, if you do try to use dry ice, throw it on top, not the bottom, because it'll freeze if it's on top. But if it's on the bottom, it'll just refrigerate whatever's in there if you're trying to freeze it oh i got you mean yeah if you lay something on yeah yeah as long as because the dry ice the cold drops so the temperature is actually colder underneath dry ice than if you put the meat on top of the dry ice hold on so you're saying load it so if you want to you can use dry ice to refrigerate or to freeze

so if you want to use dry ice to refrigerate you put dry ice on the bottom of the cooler your meat on top of like above the dry ice if you want to use dry ice to freeze you put the meat in the cooler on the bottom and dry ice on top of the meat you know i've that's funny you mentioned that because i've seen that where um it trying to chill stuff in coolers in a hotel we just went and bought a few, whatever, like one, two pound blocks dry ice. And then I throw the dry ice on top. And it froze solid. Yeah, it froze the damn meat.

Yeah, yeah. Started freezing the meat downward solid. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it'll actually freeze it like colder than a freezer will. My kids love to play with that stuff, man. But I found, I've always done it it that way but i also found a new method that i'm trying out and i'm just um you can find if you can find a place ahead of time if you know where you're hunting that will air freight it because you have to have a license to air freight

so the normal person can't i used to to have that license, and then after, then I had that, I had an air freight license, but it changed after the terrorist attacks. So, but the air freight, so from Alaska, I got a whole moose home for 150 bucks. Dang.

Air freighted. Yeah. 150 bucks. I used to have what was called known shipper status on Alaska Airlines, and you could go and check a bag and not be on the plane. Yep. I used to have what was called known shipper status on Alaska Airlines, and you could go and check a bag and not be on the plane. You could send the thing down, and your buddy just goes down to the baggage claim,

picks up your bag, and walks out the door. And it's there before you. Yeah, but you can't do that anymore. You can't do it anymore. But you can with the air freight. Air freight. As far as the cost aspect of that, so we all fly a fair bit. I have on Alaska Airlines, you get the frequent flyer status. I always get my first two, oftentimes my first three bags free.

But if you're not doing that, I mean, it's go on the airline's website and find out what extra baggage costs are. I know some guys that to save costs, bring a meat home. They will go to an FFL, send their rifle home. You can send your rifle to yourself. You don't even need to use an FFL to send it to yourself if you're going to be on the receiving end. Orders guys to just do rifle shipping where they package it up and ship it down to you, charge a small fee. It's cheaper than having an extra bag. And then they'll take all their clothes and any kind of light bulky items

put in the box and send it ups ground and get it so they're going to go and check like one two three bags on the airline and have either just flying home with their meat so they can get it there quick and not try to be sending it ups or something like that because it's you know overnighting or two-daying can be very expensive so they'll mail their gear home fly home with their meat yeah and you can only mail your rife firearm through united states postal service you cannot use ups or fedex but you can go down this is kind of like a little known fact man is you can if you're going to be the one that opens if you're going to be the one that receives it you can send it opens it you can send it it's not an ffl transfer correct for you to send your gun to someone but all over play like all over places they're like hunting destinations there are services that will box and ship your

rifle yeah through united states post yeah no through yeah but that's just like they'll just you know they got all the yeah they got all stuff because you can't just you know you had to you got to package it up and stuff so um I think we got time for one more this would be a good quickie and uh some get some nice tips out of it but um I forget the guy's name to ask or the gal but uh favorite piece of gear under 20 bucks think about it one piece of gear one piece i mean oh i'm sure if you have two you can say two if you have two favorites you can say two. Do you have two favorites? Go, your answer. I'm just still thinking.

Cigarette lighters and then 50-foot chunks of paracord. That's what I would have said. Dang it. It's got, yeah, paracord, lighter. I'm going to use it for everything. That's way less than $20. You still got, you got $18 left. Yeah, because the striker on the jet boil doesn't last long.

It's like a cigarette lighter, dude. It's like, what's the thing you hear most often camping? Hey, dude, you got your lighter on you? If you have one lighter, you need four. You should have four lighters, one for every pocket, jackets, pants. Just all over. At the end of the trip, you'll barely be able to find one. Yeah. You'd be like, yeah, then you'd be the guy who goes like, hey, dude, can. Just all over. At the end of the trip, you'll barely be able to find one. Yeah. Then you'd be the guy who goes, hey, do you have your lighter on you?

Duct tape. Put some duct tape on your lighter or your tracker. That helps you mark it. Aren't Steve? Yeah. I wrap duct tape around my lighters. And different people use different colors. So you can kind of claim your lighter.

I wrap my Nalgene bottle or whatever with it. And then paracord, it's like... Must have. I don't like to... Yeah, I mean, when it comes to hunting, it's just like I always have a chunk of paracord. Oh, zip. I carry zip strips, cable ties.

Those are inexpensive. I use those for a lot of stuff. It's putting tags on animals, but also just like various repairs, backpack fixes. I mean, a lot of stuff. Like in my little kit, which is a very small bag, but it's put together in a precise way. I guess nothing in that.

The bag itself is about $80 from Outdoor Research. No, no, no, no, no. They're not that? No, the little. The backcountry organizer. Backcountry organizer. What are they? More than $20? Yeah, less than $ The backcountry organizer. Backcountry organizer. What are they? More than 20?

Yeah, less than 30, I think. Oh, really? Okay. So that's not the... That's a nice piece of gear. My outdoor research backcountry organizer. Nothing in that bag, including like a little bit kit I have

with a bit that fits all the things, like your bow parts, rifle scope parts, whatever kind of bit kit I grab for what I'm doing. That doesn't even cost $20. And then in there I got my med kit, which definitely doesn't cost $20. Your chapstick. Chapstick. Remy doesn't carry that.

No. Which doesn't cost $20. You can start a fire with chapstick though. You know what my go-to fire starter is now? Chapstick and belly button lint. No, close. Because the TSA guys don't want you flying around with the chemical starters.

I take cotton balls. I take one of Dirt Misc chew tins, okay? And then I take cotton balls and rub Vaseline into cotton balls. Pack those in there and then I take cotton balls and rub Vaseline into cotton balls, pack those in there. And then I take heartwood, slivers of heartwood and put it in the chew tin. So in my chew tin is Vaseline rubbed cotton balls and a shitload will fit in there. Some heartwood sticks are in there and that's it. And then I have Vaseline when I need it if you need to protect your bad wind chap or chap lips.

I know it doesn't happen to Remy. Or any number of things. You got chap stick. But mainly those little balls light right up and start fires great, man. And the TSA guys don't steal them. That definitely doesn't cost no 20 bucks. Yeah.

I found there's some surprisingly cheap headlamps that are really good too like the ones you get at home depot some energizer ones or ray vac ones or some battery company ones i gotta go wow i got like the world's most expensive headlamp and it's just as good as the 17 dollar uh energizer that no one asked about headlamps but i got some real opinions about Headlands. We'll save that for another time. Dirt, you got any things you like that cost 20 bucks? I think like you guys said.

Your truck. Yeah. Hank? Transportation. No, I'd say for sure just a kit. You got to have a kit, and you can do it for under 20 bucks. Just put it in something that stays organized.

No, you can't make the whole kit for under 20 bucks. I think so. I mean, the basics, like lighter, P-cord. Yeah. The P-cord that we buy? Well, yeah, 50... It's 599. Yeah, it's like 50 yards of that, or 50 foot.

Yeah, everything in my kit added up is worth well over 20, but nothing in there. Yeah. added up is worth well over 20 but nothing in there yeah no individual part of my kit excluding the or backcountry organizer what kind of what bag do you run for your stuff same you run the same thing yeah what do you use remy remy's kind of dumps it all into his backpack yeah this spends all his day looking for it you know when. When I'm using my normal backpack, everything has a specific place and I have specific pockets. Oh, okay. So I've just been seeing you in a rare situation.

You've been seeing me frazzled, my friend. Remi went from thinking he had no knives to producing a great abundance of knives. Not the one I wanted, though. Yanni, $20 piece of gear. It's something that probably lives in my little OR backcountry kit.

I'm trying to think of something you guys haven't mentioned. Boarsnake? I don't know. That might be over $20. That's over $20. They're like $19.99, aren't they? Maybe. I think you're a penny under. You're $19.99 now. There's no way you're going to come and tell me that that's your most cherished fate of.

No, you guys have picked out all the good stuff out of that little kit. Lens wipe is a pretty nice piece of gear. It's well under $20. I always love to have a Windicator. Like a tube of powder. Yeah. A tube of unscented talc powder yeah and like i think it's that people are always trying to like being like man that four dollars it cost me for that windicator because whatever they do they somehow make the

puff these stuff so much better and finer than when you use it all up and then you're like i'm just gonna throw some baby powder in there. I hunt with so many guys that are pulling out their big fat tube of baby powder and they're shaking it and it ain't coming out. It's clogged, whatever that is. It's what they put in there, I believe, and I've never tried to find it in bulk. It's unscented talc powder. Baby powder is just talc, isn't it?

I don't know. Unscented. Baby powder smells like what we think babies smell like is actually baby powder. I liked it. This is probably super simple, but I just hadn't thought of it. For your wind indicator. My lighter? Yeah.

Yeah, that's all I use. How do you use your lighter? It depends. If I'm around here, I grab that old man's beard. Yeah. Just crumple it and click it, and the spark in it just makes it smoke for a while. Oh, I see.

I got you. But a lot of times, I just use the flame itself. Yeah. Tell the wind direction. I mean, you can't really sense thermals and other things, but for the most part, I flick the lighter, depending on which way that flame's blowing, I know. And it's nice, too, because I can use it in the dark.

Yep. So I keep my lighter as my wind indicator. Yeah, I use like... And I use the grass as well. Yeah, little bits of grass, seed tops off stuff. Dust. The main thing, if it's there, if it's dry, just dust. But if it's wet out, the reason I like the main thing, like if it's there, if it's dry, just dust.

But if it's wet out, the reason I like the little, and I'm not like a habitual, what do you call those things that we carry around? Wind indicator. Yeah, wind indicator. It's just a tube of powder, like a little bottle of powder. Yeah. Shoot it up in the air. It does give you a really sort of like nuanced understanding of the wind. When it hangs, like it'll go up and you'll

see that there's like some downward you know i mean it gives you like a great visual but i only use that after i sort of go i like do a quick look around i'm like there's no like readily of you know and then i'll use that thing or i'll pull a little down feather out of my uh jacket and just you pull a little of those drop them and slowly your left slowly you know your left arm is generally cold yeah i would say actually with the gear question this is this brings up a good point this most recent discussion it should have multiple purposes whatever it is under the bucks. Like the lighter being a windicator and a light.

I'll not look at my kit and be like, you know what? This seems like this thing you have to have in there, but 20 years down the road, it hasn't come up yet. I used to carry a striker. I have a little teeny dinky thing of waterproof matches.

There's just a couple. And I have my lighter. And I used to have a striker. Never used a striker. Yeah, just like it's just. Never used the waterproof matches probably. No. No.

But that just gives me, that just makes me feel like. Yeah. Or now I put a little. What's that? Like safe. It's a comfort thing. Yeah, but they also make those little shitting lighters too so i might start throwing one of those little shitting lighters

in there a little it's just a striker just like no no it's just like a mini mini big like a like a like a cigarette lighter that's teeny teeny yeah but see here's the thing the tsa guys will steal your lighters oh yeah and leave a Yeah, you just keep them on you. I know that thing, but you got to remember. So now like lithium batteries, like in my kit, I also keep like enough, like replacing battery for stuff. So if I'm running like my water purifier, SteriPEN, like I'll have in my kit

an extra lithium battery for that thing. But now you can't have lithium batteries. So now there's all this garbage you got to move from your you got to like and i can't just check my kit because there's stuff like knives and stuff there's stuff in there that you can't carry on but then there's stuff in there that you can't check it's really like i have some gripes you think i'm fired up about how i hate hunters orange laws i got some real gripes. You think I'm fired up about how I hate hunters' orange laws. I got some real gripes with TSA. I believe it. And them messing with my stuff. All right.

Good? Thanks for listening. How many questions is that, Yanni? I don't know. 10? Double digits. And it probably answered other questions in the periphery. Oh, shit.

Yeah. So if you want to find out uh remy where's the best place for people to go see what y'all got going on they want to book a hunt come hunting elk with you whatever i'm all booked up but uh instagram yeah remy warren yeah yeah i just i just i just i just uh hit i was just hitting remy up on instagram over because we've been hanging out for the last couple of days. That's a good place to check out and see what you got going on. Yep.

And in the bio, there's always a link to whatever website or whatever. All right, man. Check him out, Remy Warren. His great-great-grandfather was a Ute translator. I'll tell you that. No one asked about that. All right. Good night. Hey folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada.

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