The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 555: Cooking Beaver and Aging Fish with Brad Leone

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

Steven Rinella speaks with Brad Leone, Ryan Callaghan, Jordan Sillars, Spencer Neuharth, Randall Williams, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider.  Topics discussed: Boiling muskrats; recalling our episode on GMOs; Steve’s beaver blanket; Brad’s shows on YouTube; super salad; the cheek sleeve; a bag of dogs; when Brad and Cal cooked up trapping bait; Brad’s YouTube shows; the gluteal crease; when kids get chased off from fishing HOA ponds with guns and knives; jorts; the launch of our MeatEater Kids Podcast; you’re only a resident of one state; why you need to weigh fish on dry land; “Commercial Carl”; what killed the goose?; out of the roost; diving in the shallow for tautogs; the Vinasphere; air pockets in bread; aging fish;  and more.  Outro music "MeatEater" by Brad Pike. Connect with Steve, MeatEater, and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of the show i'm reading this book well i finished it now it's about uh fur it's it's it's like the bi it's the autobiography of a fur trapper from alaska in the 20s and 30s christ well so back in them days a big thing to do in spring because you'd go over to uh what's that huge wetland like in the yukon right across from the crow crow flats all right and go there and trap muskrats and shoot muskrats 22s for the pelts or for everything it was big money all right when you were doing it it wasn't much to eat till the duck showed up so he ate muskrats and he said that this he describes this guy's muskrat recipe he would cook 12 at a time and he had he had an oil he had some kind of oil can okay and his recipe and he explains it in great detail you You take a dozen muskrats, gut them,

and put them in head down, tail up. Okay? Like a corn dog. You boil that for 20 minutes. Then you flip them. Boil it in water. We're not in the oil. Boil it in water, 20 minutes. Then you flip them, tail down, head up.

All right. Boil that for 20 minutes. Good God. And you pull the muskrats out sprinkle some flour and this is the only thing this guy this guy carried two items with him coffee flour and that can oil and that can 20 minutes then he puts a little flour in there to thicken up that broth stop it stop it and that listen that's what this guy lives on for months and get this the problem is in those days you'd make it back so you'd leave crow flats and you'd make it back to fort yukon but no boats could come

up the yukon until later in the summer so even when you got back to fort yukon there's nothing to eat yeah well you gotta bring back bags of hundreds of dried muskrats to like to make until a boat came up the river at which point you would resume your normal diet wow i tell you what you gotta get creative i give it to them you find some little aromatics you get in there throw some little some little aromatics you get in there, throw some little herbs that might be growing in the spring, little flowers. There's probably some delightful little stuff growing up there. And you make yourself a little muskrat tea.

I'm into it. It's probably not that bad. He might want to invest in a little salt. And then you could really get away with a lot, man. Some wild onions. A couple of spruce tips in there. Doing something different. He didn't do any of that.

Joined today by Brad Leone. And now I'm going to tell you what I was going to tell you. Because I was going to start talking about that muskrat deal, but I'm not. I'd try it. We had a GMO expert on. Oh, boy. Was he a doctor? I don't know.

Crin found the world's leading expert on GMOs. That's a hell of a title. I mean. After Steve. He's an academic. Well, yeah. It's like there's a few things that I'm very, very versed in. Judaism.

Oh, yeah. Really? And GMOs. The, yeah. Really? And GMOs. The Gs. Odd focus of study. Oh, and also Danish cinema, but I'll leave that out. Gotta love Matt Nicholson. Oh, we had a GMO expert on.

Okay. At the end of a long interview in which we explored all the ins and outs, pros and cons of GMOs. And he gave us some information that was a little outdated. Like, for instance, the recovery of the American chestnut. Okay. Yeah. Used to be the predominant tree in the Northeast, I believe. Not misinformation, but there was a lot of excitement about a genetic modification that would allow the American chestnut to return to American forests. Kick the blight.

And it wound up being a little bit, it wound up later became a little complicated about. A little shaky in the science, Steve. Well, how they, like the canopy formation and stuff anyways, because they were using. They turned into zombies. It was a long time ago. I can't remember the details, but I do remember this. Go ahead. No, this is Fred Gould.

He's the co-directed the genetic engineering and society center of North Carolina state. And he's also in the department of entomology and plant pathology. Yeah. I used to hold that position at that place. He was my predecessor. He would make outrageous claims like, I invented the paperclip. So at the end of the interview, I said this. I said to, what was his name?

Fred. Fred. I says, Fred, let's say you were falling off a cliff and you knew you die when you hit. Okay. Yes. And so you don't have to in any way live with the ramifications of what you're going to say. There's no need to be political.

There's no need to be appropriate. And I yelled to him as he's falling fred are gmos good or bad and you know what he said he'd yell back it depends what is he was Was Fred a lawyer too? I think that's an accurate answer. That's great. I'm surprised he didn't just put a gun to his head. You're old faithful for getting truth out of folks. Even with the falling cliff scenario.

Guys are rough out here. Well, I think that in that type of question, the falling cliff thing is better. Yeah, you needed to be brief. I've had experience in each. Steve steve before the podcast brad was uh very complimentary of your pelts in the room here he had a lot of questions about the ones on this wall behind us though that's a mountain goat not a lot of questions the little white ones what what are those things ermine ermine where do they uh that's a long-tailed weasel but he in the winter when he's got a white coat, he becomes an ermine. There was a king.

Are you familiar with those, like when you're checking out an old king? I don't check many old kings out. In pictures. And he's got that big white scarf that's specked with black specks. A stole? There was a king that had one made from 5,000 ermine. What a stud. Yesterday I got back my 20 beaver blanket. Oh, yeah?

How much is that, Warren? What's that? How much is that weigh? It's pretty heavy. It's like a security blanket. I had an odd conversation with my mother-in-law. She's beholding it when I took it out of the box.

What, the beaver blanket blanket she's taking it all in and she was saying she was asking me because it's like kind of like laid out on the couch how big she's asking me it's um six i think it's six by five wow it strips it's beautiful don clifford from clifford's critter creations don't call him because he's trying to retire no call him maybe he'll make you listen i sent him all my tanned heights he put this whole thing together for 500 bucks well he's gonna have to raise the price well i think he lost i think he lost his ass on it yeah i just imagine your mother-in-law looking at that blanket and going my god i've never been more impressed by you, Steven.

She liked it. Magnum opus. But she was asking me, is it all one piece? And I didn't understand, and I thought she meant, is that all one giant beaver? And I was saying, well, no, they're only yay big. And she's like, well, that's not what I mean. I mean.

Well, what did she mean? I don't know. Or maybe she thought there was like some type of filler. So you never got clarification on it. No, I don't think. Yeah. That's don't make no sense.

No. You look like a game of Thrones character with all these pelts like wrapped around yourself. Oh, listen, man, that blanket is awesome. I'm going to bring, I'll bring it down here and show you guys.

Seth, Seth has one. So me and Seth had 50 beavers and we sent them in and got. I'll bring it down here and show you guys. Seth has one. So me and Seth had 50 beavers, and we sent them in and got two blankets, and then we had a bunch of leftovers. You guys do a lot of beavering. Dude, and we're only skimming the cream off the top. Really? You can't get to all the people that call you about beaver dance.

A lot of people get a lot of, so beavers are booming. I don't touch a beaver that's not causing someone trouble. Right, right. Okay. I don't. No, i believe you go to the west you know like i don't even need like the wild ones yeah you don't even need to touch them i'm after the ones that they're ready to we're gonna dynamite them and dynamite whatever you know like i'm after the people i go out to the people that are fed that got a problem that beaver a problem. That beaver's got a price on his head. My neighbor's got a little bit of a problem. Oh, well.

Down the road. Have them call me. Here? No, over in Connecticut. Oh, that's way down the road. Yeah. That's down the highway. No, down the road from me, from my house, my neighbor.

And the water is almost starting to come onto the street. I think it's about to become a problem. So maybe, yeah, folks, maybe I'll have to get it. Because Cal and I, yesterday, cooked up a little beaver here in the meat eater headquarters. I don't know. I haven't. They probably. I had some that was and some that was not.

But no, because they had bones in it. They didn't have my scrap. Did it say scrap? It didn't say anything. It wasn't something that was not. No, because they had bones in it. They didn't have my scrap. Did it say scrap? It didn't say anything. It wasn't labeled at all. Because I bagged my flesh and trims, but you guys had bones. Dr. Williams has a hand in this too because he had

a freezer malfunction, so he brought a bunch of bear meat here. Had dirt on it. That was like semi-thawed pine cones. have to look at it. Pine cones. Oh. There was some accusations that it was your bait that they were cooking in. I didn't see the bag. So I don't know.

It was just a large like zip lock. But it wasn't like fleshing scraps. No. No. I heard about this, but I was occupied all day in this room. Tell you what, we made some miracles with it. Well, I ate it. It was fine.

Regardless of what it was. It. Well, I ate it. It was fine. Regardless of what it was. It was fine. I ate it. No, it was spectacular. You said it was very good when we handed it to you. No, no, no. I didn't mean like that. We have it on camera.

It was spectacular. It's my first time. Kimmy Werner just sent me a video of her. So I sent Kimmy Werner home with some beaver meat. I actually, yeah. She sent me a video of her little boy running around eating my kids watching the video and he goes where'd he get a beaver that's hilarious about kids too is it was my older boy's birthday and so there's only like my favorite restaurant is wasabi when's your kid's birthday i just had yesterday okay may 2nd may 3rd are my kids so me and our

family and my kid and all his buddies went to wasabi last night which is one of those hibachi drill grills yeah kids and my little boy hates salad he one time he was trying to explain he's trying to like capture the defining difference between kids and adults. And it was that adults like salad. So when he orders, when he orders, they're saying soup or salad.

Soup or salad. He thinks they're saying, do you want the soup or salad? No. He's like, no, no, no. Soup or salad? No. No. My wife's like no no soup or salad no no my wife's like but you like that soup super salad no and then uh he finally put it together that it wasn't the super salad he came in there like resolute he had his game face on dude a salad's bad enough a super salad yeah you get the little miso soup man it's gonna be all right he also

one time we were someone gave us a lamb leg and so we're cooking leg of lamb all right and like all through dinner he's hearing like a lamb leg of lamb and eventually starts being like so what's going on at lego land this is your son god bless him like we're going to lego brad is premiering his second season of his youtube shows local legends and making it yeah yeah tell me the difference between the two if you're gonna tell a viewer out there yeah we'd love to so how does someone know which one they want to go watch well you can watch both you know knock yourself out but so one of them local legends is more of a like a travel show it's not even necessarily a food-focused show. It's more of like a – I mean, we do some food-oriented things,

but it could be a gardener. It could be we've done a glassblower. This lady, Jeannie, you would love Jeannie. Like bong glassblower? I'm sure she could make them, but we made – I made a bowl and a little platter that i keep my onions in and stuff um just like it was a school and you could go in there it's like anything where it has a story whether it's you know famous people or a big or small we were out in ireland we did this guy paddy

total legend and he uh trained sheep dogs you know running them all over the mountains and stuff so we spent some time with him we went to the guin factory. So I get stuff where it has a story, whether it's food related or just anything passionate, you know, just a human, a human experience kind of thing. Can I pitch you on one? Yeah,

go right ahead. Why don't you go up and do one about John Hayes, the taxidermist? I don't know if it's a, maybe, I mean, I don't know. I think it's very,

I hate to sound like. Just put it in the back of your head. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I'll put it in the back of your head. Thank you. Yeah. I'll put it in the book. And like, what's cool though is like, I really like to be able to say, if we were to come out here and did a local legends with Steve Rinella out in Montana and we went and shot a pronghorn.

I'd be like, let's go to John's. Well, whatever it is. Like, I love being able to show a little bit of the story too. Like outside of just like the hunt, like we'll go to your favorite bar or like whatever the heck it is. Get like something. Wasabi then. Yeah, we'll go there, you know, I'll get the super salad and no, but you know, and then like being able to, instead of cramming a cooking portion of it into it, it'll, I like to like, when I can tee up, like tune up next week for making it the other show we'll take what we killed or harvested or you know caught or whatever and then we'll be able to utilize it

slow it down change the scene put it in a kitchen and do just like a cooking show and that's the show making it where we can kind of that's a very much more of a food show i got guests i bring it on the road but it's mostly shot at my house, a little country studio I built. But you weren't doing any of that when you recently got your butt tattooed. Yeah, no, no. You have a butt tattoo? Yeah, you got a butt tattoo. Do you have any butt tattoos?

I don't, no. Is that next on the list? It should be. Just on this arm. I'm not a big tattoo guy, but I think I now am. And I think I'm going to go, I think I'm going to invent a new category of tattoo. Like instead of like arm sleeves or like whatever people, I'm just going to get my cheeks covered. Just like cheek sleeves.

Like everything else would be bare. But just like a bathroom wall. That's a great idea, man. My butt cheeks are just going to be like Yakuza. It's funny. I had this conversation last night. Yakuza cheeks cheeks are just going to be like Yakuza. It's funny. I had this conversation last night. Yakuza cheeks. I'm going to go hard.

Just cheeks. I got one, but now I'm like, fuck it. I'm just going to get up. You guys curse. Sorry. No. Well, we used to a lot. The kids, I get it.

We used to a lot, but we've gotten more kid friendly. In fact, we're going to talk about kids in a second here. And we're going to talk about our kids podcast coming up. definitely don't be saying that i love that it's gonna cost us i already lost a lot of listeners over my christy gnome you and me both oh yeah a lot of listeners christy gnome well we don't have to go into it again steve just hates dogs no i don't love them love them like the good ones. Hey, an asshole's an asshole. A lot.

A lot. A jerk's a jerk, you know? Yeah. Like, if I had to pick between Cal's dog and some people, I'd be like, well, let's keep Cal's dog. It's just, to me, it's a total meritocracy. It has nothing to do with your species. It's just like, it's like a meritocracy. What are you bringing to the table um yeah so you got your wife's name on your on your on your buttocks yeah we were talking about

my youtube shows i don't know how we got to this you were on a podcast with a tattoo artist yeah oh yeah what's his name campbell scott campbell out in los angeles beautiful los angeles and um at the end of the podcast he the podcast, he offers guests a tattoo. And so I don't know why. I don't know. I didn't have to. I just was feeling free. What was the value on it if you had to guess?

Oh, my. I mean, Steve, it looks like a child did it. How far down on your butt? Do you want me to show you? Like a tramp stamp or like way down on your butt? No, it's like mid-cheek, man, right on the center. Do you want me to show you? Like a tramp stamp or like way down on your butt? No, it's like mid cheek, man. Right on the crest of the... Yeah, right on

the little hump. The gluteal crest? Right on the bump. No, the gluteal crease is your butt crack. More on like what I'm sitting on. Do you know that, Karin? You would say like prime advertising placement. Big time. She got great placement. At first he was like, you could cut. Because I have one other tattoo, and it's horrible.

And it's on my ankle. And it's my initials. No, that's what I laughed about for a long time. Can I tell the story real quick? If we must. That was like your high school tattoo. Brad was on the show before. We were in high school.

Brad was on the show before, and he's got his shorty pants on. And at some point in the interview, I noticed that he has. Shorty pants? He has BL. At some point in the interview, I noticed that he has shorty pants. He has BL. At some point in the interview, I noticed he has BL tattooed on his leg. So I'm like, odd that you would have had your initials, Brad Leone, tattooed on your leg. He goes, oh, no, that's not what that is.

That stands for Barry Lake. Yeah, it sure does. Bunch of folks got it. You're not the first guy to assume that, though. Yeah, a lot of people make bunch of folks got it. You're not the first guy to assume that, though. Yeah. A lot of people make fun of me for it. But, you know, I'm now 39 years old, and I've come to an acceptance. You know, at first I was like, maybe I can get this guy to, like, cover up my ankle scar there.

And I was like, you know what? That's even worse. What's he going to do? What are you going to put? I don't want anything else. He could make it say Barry Lake. That's a good idea, Steve. I didn't think of that, Steve. Turn it into a big carp.

Just fill it in a little. Did you surprise your wife with the tattoo? Yeah, I sent her a little butt picture on the cell phone. And I was expecting her to be a little more into it. Oh, for sure. A little more enthusiastic. Oh. And I got a real, like, it felt real sarcastic.

She was just like, I'm a lucky lady. I think I'm going to cross it out, to be honest. I feel that that is sarcastic. Ungrateful. No, yeah, she's really into it, too. But, yeah, I think I'm going to go full cheek. And it's just going to be a little fun fact about me. Let's get a little, you want to get one?

Tell your story. Just tell your story. That's right. We're going to get on with fun fact about me. Let's get a little, you want to get one? Tell your story. Just tell your story. That's right. We're going to get on with the serious part of the show in a second here. I got one last thing, one last conversation. Oh gosh. So I already told you how was my one boy's birthday last night. Yeah.

Happy birthday. Well, my daughter was in the school play. So we had a little family calendar collision. So we couldn't go to that performance. And so with some friends of ours went to the performance. Oh, you didn't divide and conquer? We're going to that performance. And so with some friends of ours went to the performance. Oh, you didn't divide. We're going to, we're going to, but some friends went to the performance to then take her home. Okay.

We come home and there's the friends and our daughter and the friends are talking about a restaurant they like, and they're talking about a waiter. And they're talking about how the waiter was alerting them to a food that didn't taste good. So don't order it. And they observed he was all tatted out and i said these days i don't know what that means anymore at a time it meant that you were like like maybe you were like a biker you were like a rebel but i'm like i don't know there's probably librarians that are all tatted out yeah i don't know like when they said that i said what when you say that what image are you What image are you conjuring?

And they go, I honestly can't answer that. They said, I feel like it's like a straight talker. I'm like, you feel it's a straight talker? I don't think it gives any type of validation or credibility in any category. He's all tatted out. I'm like, okay, what does that mean? I think it means they spent a lot of money. It's like Spencer's arm.

Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. If someone said, yeah, Spencer, he's all tatted out, I'd be like, uh-oh, don't cross him. Yeah, I saw the internet is... Wait, what does that mean, Steve? The internet's declared that if you had a sleeve,

it used to mean that you were in a biker gang, and now it means you can just make a really nice souffle. You lived in a trending part of a city and got some money. Disposable income. Yeah. Can I ask you one last question before we start the serious part of the show? Hold on one second.

Or if they're really faded, maybe, if you have that, like, heroin chic, then they can get a little sketchy. And, like, you know, if it's, an old timer tattooey, bikery, heroin. I'm going to start doing this. I'm going to say to people, man, this guy was scary. I mean,

like, like, that kind of guy. Yeah. It's like as if some, you hear that someone shot a dog that can't be trained.

Most people would think, oh, uh oh. Some people would think, you know, I like the fire in her belly. She said, oh yeah, she had a dog that was a danger to society and couldn't

be trained, and she shot it. And listen, no tattoos. Is that something people do? People shoot dogs if they can't train them? On to the serious part of the show. That's the thing I was, here's the reason I got riled up about it, for one, is if, here's the thing. That's the thing I was here's the reason I got riled up about it for one. Is if, here's

the thing. If that makes you disqualified for American politics What, shooting a dog? You have lost I'm guessing you have lost all the people

that I think should be in American politics, or you've lost, if that sort of thing, you have lost all the people that I think should be involved in American politics. What about that the person volunteered it, like in a book? Isn't that, I feel like... Spencer, I could tell you some things. I'm just confused.

Yeah, but you wouldn't. Listen, let me tell you something. When my dad was a kid, you know what happened I'm just confused. Yeah, but you wouldn't. Listen, let me tell you something. When my dad was a kid, you know what happened to him? No. My dad was a kid. He had to kill his own dog. He had to take wasn't even sick or nothing. All you sensitive people out there,

turn the radio off. Did he use a gun? Jesus Christ, is this incriminating to you? They made him go down and drown his own bag of dogs. Bag of dogs? Be a goddamn serial killer? He got a bag of dogs for Christmas. Red flag, red flags.

Listen, and you're telling me my dad shouldn't be vice president? Yes, yes, yes. No, a thousand percent. The people that made him do that. And if he wrote an autobiography, it would absolutely be in there because he told me that story 10 times. Was he a 35-year-old pheasant hunting outfitter owner? No, he was born in the Great Depression. Okay, yeah.

It's a little different. It's heavy. Listen, but I can tell you some things that would way-ass disqualify me from politics. And I haven't ruled that out. Okay. I'd vote for you you but here's the thing then we're gonna get out the show i got one last thing to tell you sorry jordan the bag of dogs that's a that's a mental image tell you something if i ever run for elected office i'd vote for you

i'm gonna here's the first move i'm gonna do i'm gonna write down don't say kill dogs no i'm gonna write down every bad thing I ever did. You remember with Obama? Don't do that. I'm your lawyer. Obama was accused of trying to oversell his cocaine use. He's like, yeah, I did some blow. And people are like, he didn't do shit for blow. He got accused of trying to overdo it.

You got to get out in front of it. Because Clint tried to underdo it. So he's like, well, I'm going to get out ahead of it. And then people accuse him of overselling his drug use. I would make a list of every single bad thing i ever did don't do that and on the day i announce my candidacy i'm gonna be like i'm gonna start with this list it's a little google doc there's no reason yeah it's like there's yeah it's like it's like there's no reason like here with that said i'm launching my campaign and it's gonna have stuff about you don't even want to hear about cats no cats no feral cats no don't and it's you know and then i'm

gonna plow ahead it might really work out for you you know a little honesty would be refreshing in our political atmosphere. Good day. Cal will tell you about how bad feral cats are. Yeah, they're a problem, right? Little kill machines. Seven million. Exactly. How many are out there, Cal? Oh, how many feral cats? I don't know that. I heard an estimate of seven million.

Killing all the birds. Oh, yeah, but we're talking billions of small mammals, songbirds. Big time. Hawaii, or no, Australia's embroiled in all that right now. Yeah, and Australia I feel like is like... Shoot on sight. Yeah, they're not going to have any people left to be in politics. They're going to have to bring

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Jordan writes a lot of website content for us. He covers, I don't know, culture, current events, guns, all kinds of outdoor stuff yes and uh he's got a new piece out called these florida men are wrong are sorry from the top these florida men are what's wrong with america in which he discusses um this this thing going on right now where these kids fishing HOA ponds, getting accosted by men who don't like to see kids fishing HOA ponds. He'll do a better job of explaining it. Jordan also works, Jordan also works on, works with Cal on Cal's Week in Review.

So if you're a Cal's Week in Review fan, and you like your weekly conservation news roundup, you can thank Jordan for his contributions there. Jordan, take it away. Sure. Yeah. So two stories within a very short span of time, both involving Florida men. So the Florida man meme here is in full effect. so the first one happened actually back in april uh and it involves an hoa president um so that's you know right right on brand there an hoa president uh took a gun and chased three kids away from the kind of neighborhood pond um A 15-year-old, a 10-year-old, and a 7-year-old. Wow. Stop.

Yep. And they ran away so fast, apparently, that they left all of their fishing tackle there. Do you think they ran away fast because of the gun? Or just the fact that he's a 50-whatever-year-old adult? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. that's a christy

no more that pond i say good for them to be honest my god this guy sounds like a real uh a real problem okay so what so yeah well so then he he took their fishing stuff um and according to the local news reports he threw it in the woods uh so he took their fishing poles tackle box all that stuff and he chucked it in the woods he also of a seven-year-old kid yep he also allegedly stole one of their phones which has not been recovered um and so he was arrested a short time later um and he was charged with something called criminal mischief which i looked it up is basically when you break someone's stuff um is is criminal mischief and then also grand theft i feel like criminal mischief is like when

you know something someone did something bad but you can't really put your finger on it what about threatening tripping over a porta potty what about threatening the life of minors i mean that sounds kind of yeah so attempted murder for. I don't know about attempted murder, but I'd be pissed if some guy was chasing my kids down the grass with a gun and he got in trouble for breaking fishing poles. I'd be pissed. Yeah. I do like domestic terrorism. I'll take it. So in Florida, it is a crime. It's like brandishing a firearm or something, right? That is a crime. He wasn't charged with that.

I don't know why. I don't know whether he just kind of threatened them. It was in a holster, and he just kind of showed it to them, or whether he actually took it out. It's a little unclear what exactly happened with that. The implication being, if you kids don't stop fishing i am going to kill you yeah i mean yeah yeah that's exactly what i mean i think that's as serious as it is i think you nailed that wouldn't be an unreasonable interpretation no yeah does this guy have a

history of being like a hothead in the community or did he stink like vodka? So I actually read, I read a subsequent report that said he was, he's a lawyer. So he's a lawyer, HOA president. I don't know if he has any kind of history of this, but. Sounds like mental illness. I mean, it's actually quite sad and scary. Yeah. If they gave him that, you know, we were talking about this yesterday. They used to use for psychiatric stuff. They'd give you like sodium.

Oh, barbitol. To kind of like loosen you up, you know, get you talking. He'd be like, my dad never took me fishing. Maybe. Who knows? get you talking he'd be like my dad never took me fishing maybe who knows he sounds like he's definitely uh a bit of a liability can we figure out where this guy was in his uh legal class like how like where was he like did he he got a degree but somehow couldn't interpret the law to know that this is a bad situation people that lose the bar in like four other states go to Florida. Oh.

Florida's like its own country, guys. I don't know if he's going to get disbarred now, probably. This guy's not even crazy. He was just very committed to the Florida man bit. Like Florida man hadn't been in the news for a while, and he's like, this could get us back on top. Is there a picture? Does he look squared away,

or does he look like he's smoking bath salts? He doesn't look good in his police mugshot. He does not look good. He looks very angry. No, that guy does not look good, man. Wow, because at that point, by the time you got your mugshot... Steve, look at this guy.

The reality is set in me. By the time you got your mugshot... See that? Yeah, but he's not looking like that because he's mad about those kids. He's looking like that because he's mad that he did what he did. He's pissed he didn't shoot. He got caught. He's got a real furrowed brow.

By the time your mug shot gets taken, you're wishing you had played your cards different, man. I don't know what's going on. It's not like righteous indignation. This guy was born an antagonist. That's just not a friend i don't it's hard to say i don't i don't see a face of regret there like like trump had the wherewithal to to like rehearse his mugshot like he thought about it and he knew what to do that guy did not rehearse his mugshot he's so like like trump's like you're gonna really okay i'm gonna

give you a mugshot that's gonna make newspapers around the world that guy's not a lawyer no one's hiring him and you know to do anything okay go on jordan yeah it's working it's working you're getting um we're we're getting fired up yeah right that's that That's, that's the idea. So I have more, I have more. So, um, just a few weeks later, another story came out, um, similar situation, two kids. I think they're both, uh, teenagers. They were fishing another subdivision Lake. Um, and as they're leaving, uh, this guy walks up to them walking his dog and he pulls out a pocket knife and starts chasing them. And one of the kids pulls out his phone, you know, of course, and starts filming this interaction with this guy chasing them away with his pocket knife. He's yelling at them that

they're trespassing and he doesn't want them there. And you know you can you can watch the video it's it's linked there uh in the in the news story um obviously a big difference in the cardio situation if you can film the person chasing you the kid the kid was not yeah the kid was not worried he was not worried and it there was a funny moment um apparently, this guy ran past, like, as he was chasing the kids, he ran past his mailbox. And he stops at his mailbox, according to this kid, and checks his mail, closes the box, and then keeps chasing the kids. Really? He's not that committed to it. He's not.

But what's interesting is that the kids the kids noted the mailbox number and then obviously they had the video and they gave all of that to the police and then uh he was arrested uh later and uh i don't think charges have been announced yet for uh for the other floor holy cow there's like if you imagine that there's a you know those old cartoons we got like a devil and an angel on your shoulders he's got like the the scales of justice okay on his like in his brain and he sees kids fishing and he's sort of like they're trespassing okay and that does whatever and on the other side of the scale is like well they're just fishing which is cool because all we hear about is how bad kids are and they don't do nothing but bad stuff anymore so it's like you gotta go like well i give them a lot for fishing but it doesn't outweigh the trespassing i would completely forget the

trespassing part right it wouldn't be i'd be like i would think nothing but oh that's cool it's because they're fishing i mean clearly this guy's not well yeah no again fishing really riles yeah i think the big red flag for me is that he stopped to check the mailbox that just tells you guy's not well. Again. Fishing really riles people up. I think the big red flag for me is that he stopped to check the mailbox. That just tells you he's not operating on a level plane. He's wearing jorts. He was very committed to the Florida man bit. I feel bad for him.

How many pairs of jorts do you own, Brad? Are they frayed on the end? Yeah, they're frayed on the end. I don't know what's going on with that guy. Maybe he got in a fight with his wife or something. I don't know. I don't know. He's wearing jean shorts. What are your years for you two? That guy does not have a wife, Steve.

And if he did, she left a long time ago. What's he thinking is in the mailbox? This guy looks insane. He's like, what are you talking about? He's checking for the shorts he ordered. There's like a history of people coming in and fishing and leaving trash all over the place. Or like taking the carp that they're catching and chucking them up on the bank so they stink.

Yeah. Like doing like there's more to this. There's always two sides of the story. Need the backstory. That warrants a talking to. Need a little context here so so one one thing to note uh is that the kid in the second story who was chased by the guy with the knife he admitted he told the local reporter he said yeah we've been there before they told us to leave and we went back right so and and it's unclear about

the first story whether those kids had been there before. Um, but you know, obviously it doesn't justify this reaction, but I do think in both stories, there's probably a little bit more here. Um, that has, has not been reported yet. I would have it be that all waters are open to anglers 16 and under. Hmm. I like that. By edict. Well, what's edict? All waters are open to anglers 16 and under. I would just like declare that to be the case.

What's edict? An edict is when you declare something to be the case. Okay. Okay. I'd have a sick fake id yeah or maybe i'd lower it i don't know 15 and under what would it be 15 and under i'd give him a shot like pre-driving because you know what you know a kid driving that just looks different. So bicycle mounted or pedestrian anglers not getting dropped off by their mom. Bicycle or pedestrian anglers 15 and under, all waters are open to them.

50 miles from your home. Oh, I think we've been. Yeah, because you can't like go far away. I think we've been biking distance. Yeah. Yeah. We used to do. I'll figure.'t like go far away. I think we're in biking distance. Yeah. Yeah. We used to do. I'll figure, I'll draft the language.

We used to do a deal where we got dropped off and said we were fishing the creek. And then we hiked down the creek to fish a lake that we weren't, or a pond that we weren't supposed to be fishing. But we did that after dark. Heck yeah. And we just, I mean, it was amazing top water bass fishing. Yeah. So we did that a lot. But if I got threatened every time I was illicitly fishing as a young man, I wouldn't have as many great fishing stories. When we were kids, it was our concept of public land meant that you hadn't been yelled at there.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? It's like once you got yelled at, it sort of became in our head that that was like not public. I don't mind a little razzle. You know, the guy coming, the crazy Joe coming out. But you got to leave. You got to leave.

It builds character for kids. But you got to leave the knives and guns at home, guys. All right. Leave the weapons at home. Pick up a stick and chase the kids. You know, that's okay. Don't hit them. But, you know. Tell chase the kids. You know, that's okay. Don't hit them, but you know. Tell me the harm.

You know, it's like. Everyone had a crazy Joe in their neighborhood. Yeah, ours was named Mrs. Angelo. But this is like the problem with Miss Angelo down the beach from us. She thought she owned something that she absolutely did not own. Yeah, she's crazy. Our lake, Middle Lake was joined to. There's a channel that led from our lake to west lake and the channel was like a public waterway all right she thought because

she bordered the channel she thought that the channel was her yard hell yeah it was and there was no like parents would say just you just have to ignore her but no one ever went and talked to her so anytime you went through the channel you just had to ignore her but no one ever went and talked to her so anytime you went through the channel you just had to listen to miss angelo scream at you and we're like advised like don't you're fine don't engage she thinks she owns it do what you need to do but just right and you spent your entire childhood miss angelo yelling at you in the channel but all she just would try to look the other way. All she did was yell. She never got to throw in red weights. She wouldn't even get off her porch.

Oh, let her go. Yeah, she'd yell at you from the porch. She's trespassing. She'd be like, oh. Adorable. Miss Angelo. You should have stopped and talked to her, brought a little picnic.

We were fishing dock lights in Florida, public water, public everything, and it's, I mean, we're old now right as uh ed anderson and myself and we're out on his like uh hurricane ref uh scrap boat that he found and is awesome calls it the mat mache um and we are fishing dock dock lights at like midnight. And sure enough, here's this voice from the darkness of this old dude sitting there in the dark, just waiting for somebody to fish his dock light.

Hell yeah. You know, and he's like, what are you guys doing? Love it. Oh, fishing. Not here. Okay. But you break that dock light

I'm gonna come after you He's sick and tired of it And I'm like sir We're fishing with flies And that dock light's like 15 feet under the water Somebody broke it last week I'm like no

Could have been you Yeah Didn't happen Thanks Who was the Barry Lake crazy Growing up Well the one Right off the head Right off The first one I think of Yeah. Didn't happen. Thanks. Who was the Barry Lake crazy growing up? Well, the one right off the head, right off the first one I think it was the cat lady.

That's, I don't know what her name was. She just called her the cat lady. Had a lot of cats. Oh. Was she a hoarder? Oh, and they like, they went like, they went like underground. They had like, in the woods, they had, she had, they had like little caverns and they lived in there and they reproduced. They were, she had a feral population.

You know why those people go nuts? Probably because of us. No, they have... They were probably in the house. So you have all those cats, you pick up toxoplasmosis, and that's where you get crazy cat ladies from. And then there was this one guy, I don know his name but just his house and uh when we would walk down to this one frog pond uh he would always get and that like he had the best access to get there everywhere else yeah it got a little wet and it was a little sketchy or just like had fences he had a real easy clean shot but like he didn't want kids walking through his through his yard like at all so we would like, like, sneak up to, like, the property line,

and then sometimes he'd catch us and be yelling, go, go, go, go, and we'd just keep going, fucking. That's what we just used to do. We never, like, fished in people on their property, but we used to just cut through yards all the time. Yeah, big yards. You'd run right down the property line, so if that person came out, you'd say,

you're going through this yard. If that person came out, you're going through the other yard. I used to sneak in at high water and cause I had public fishing all around me growing up in Montana. But at high water, when all that stuff's blown out, I would go into this retirement community and fish their ponds that were fed. Mind you, irrigation water fed their trout ponds and you know it's like trout ponds aren't that much fun but it's just something to do retirement community never ever ever saw anyone live there fish any of that stuff no never will and would all you know it'd last about 25 minutes was probably like the most fishing I ever got in.

Before someone kicked you out. Yeah. Yeah. They just couldn't stand you. Well, you didn't fit in. It'd be like an old lady in a house coat being like, bro, you can't fish there. It's the damn lawyers, Callahan. Why?

Jordan, do you have more to add? No, just as we're kind of going through stories here um in in the piece i talked about a good experience that i had kind of in contrast all these bad ones um i took my kids out you know it's hard when they're little right finding a place to fish because it has to be really easy to get to um and i had been recommended this golf course kind of subdivision lake by another uh fisherman here and we went on a day that the golf course was closed so we knew no one would be there um but still you know i'm sure enough here comes a golf cart and it's a security guard um and you know i my kids at the time were like five and six right and they're super cute so uh you know he's super

nice he's no they are objectively anyone would say so anyone would say so i'll send you a picture so so he but instead of saying you know getting angry or saying we have to leave he actually lets us stay he says you can stay and fish for you know 30 more minutes catch more fish and then you have to leave um and you know you probably shouldn't come back wow gave you like a third it gave you a third it's like how you deal with kids like in five minutes yeah do you have to say uh sir the the one hiding behind the two cute children the five and six year old uh could you look at me please yeah the golf courses yeah gave you 30 minutes gave us 30 minutes that's a dude that's a dude that's being sent to do a job yes he doesn't feel is right to do thousand percent and it's all it's all insurance liability lawyer language

no yeah i mean i i think they probably just don't you know they don't want the place overrun um but it was great for my kids because they got to catch fish and they got to see dad get in trouble you know so you know it was kind of a win-win yeah with kids you're like that's great because that's probably all the longer we're gonna fish for anyways yeah exactly jordan you should have been like yeah i man i totally get it um anybody duck hunt here right right yeah maybe i'll maybe i'll somehow afford one of those homes and then they'll let me do that we'll see probably not probably not hey thanks thanks for joining us jordan yeah for sure appreciate it just to pile in here, Jordan does an awesome amount of research and writing, busts out amazing articles at TheMeteor.com,

and, man, kicks butt on Cal's Week in Review. A flurry of articles. This one being, These Florida Men Are What's Wrong With America. Check it out at TheMeteor.com. Thank you, Jordan. Come back any time you want to talk about an article, man right thanks yeah i appreciate it uh speaking of kids we have a we have a kids we're working on a kids podcast and the whole thing depends on this how many we do and how long it runs depends on if people will appreciate the thing or not

so we're going to do what do are we going to do? Five? We're making five. Five starting July 4th. Starting July 4th. Kids are off, you know, off on vacation break. Phil here, just jumping in to let you know that the first episode

of the kids podcast will actually be dropping on July 5th now. So cancel all those plans you just made when you heard it was the fourth because the first episode is dropping on the fifth.

We're going to, we're going to do five. We got to see if people appreciate it or not. So it's a kid's podcast and it runs like this. It's a kid's podcast in three acts. Act one is kind of like a biology or history lesson. For instance, for one of them, we did kind of a kid's version of how teddy bears came to be teddy bears but not totally kitted up like it involves yeah it involves like you know it touches on the um touches on slavery in america um presidential politics right i think we allude to the civil war okay so it So it's kiddy, but complex.

Another one we do on the difference between diurnal, nocturnal, and crepuscular. Okay. But in language a kid can understand. I've been talking to kids for 14 years. So I do that part. Because every day I have to explain something to kids. Like, why can't I have that back? Because you did wrong.

So I explain it to kids how I'd explain something to my kids. Act two is a name that animal call. So we find animals that have pretty big vocabularies of varying intensities and noises and we'll start playing a noise we'll play one of their vocalizations and then we'll start giving clues and we keep playing vocalizations and if we're kind of focused on the male vocalization maybe here's the female vocalization and we keep giving clues and it builds up to the reveal and then you learn more about the animal. Act three is kids trivia, where a bunch of kids come in and play trivia. But nowadays, as everybody knows who goes to soccer,

there's no winners and no losers. So in keeping with the decline of American competitiveness, we've made it. We've made it that the kids aren't playing against one another. They're playing to collectively build up a pot of money for conservation.

Because we've had a problem. We've got little kids and older kids. So the little kids would get smoked. And then they're crying, you know. Maybe that's what they need. That's what they need, Steve. Well, it's like when you get an 8-year-old And a 14-year-old, like who's gonna win? It's like with Brody being like

Right? I want that part in the podcast where you Read the scores, and then you look Into their little hearts, and you say And you haven't got a point In last place You're out of contention And they're not just any kids.

They're the offspring of Steve, Yanni, Brody. Yeah, they're the ones playing trivia with us. So the kids play, and they're building up a pot of money. So there's a trivia question, and for every right answer, what is it, every right answer kicks in 10 bucks or something like that? So if there's 10 kids playing, and 10 kids get the answer right, they just earned 100 bucks for the pot of money. And it's how much can they build up the pot of money.

And that's a conservation donation at the end of the show. To an organization that has a kids program or kids affiliation. Okay. And that's the kids show. We're making five. And we're going to put them on this feed. So if you're like looking through and you see the kids show pop up and you don't have kids, just ignore it.

And then we'll make a determination down the road. If it's, if people like it and appreciate it for family listening, we'll create its own. It'll have its own little universe where it'll live. I don't have kids. I loved it. I think it's one of the best audio products we've made.

And, uh, Phil, the engineer really got to flex all of his Phil the Engineer muscles on this show. There's all kinds of sound effects. He sings a little jingle for it. Phil, how come I haven't heard any of this? It's not finalized

yet, Steve. I'm just doubting the eyes. But Phil makes it. I like to think that it won't be finalized yet either when I listen sure we've got time for seven rounds of drafts there's a thing that happens here

people will do like a hey check this out let me know what you think but like if it's not okay it'll be three years so we can launch it just so you know It's too late. It'll be three years so we can launch it. Just so you know, we'll never be able to launch it if it's not okay. But, you know, have a listen. Let me know what you think.

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welcome to the onx club y'all we had a lot of corrections on two we had clarifications and corrections on two things of interest and we had a chatticot question from a guy who realized one day he didn't name he didn't give his name but he's like hey what gives i now have resident hunting licenses in two states and we pointed out man you can't have

resident hunting licenses in two states um i would figure out which state you're actually a resident of and get rid of your other resident license and probably go down and clarify that you're turning it in so that someone doesn't do a little drag net and catch you. You know that book I was talking about that had the Muskrats? Yeah. One time they go into Fort Yukon. There had never been law enforcement in Fort Yukon.

And they haul the entire town to Fairbanks because everyone is either being prosecuted for something or subpoenaed as a witness. I mean, they're like, alright, everybody come along. It's aggressive. Okay.

It gets a little complicated. I'm just going to try to dispatch this subject. There are situations where you can have a resident license in two states, but it has to do with that you're in the military or you're a student. So some states, if you're a student or if you're stationed, like if you're in the military, and let's say you're at Fort Richardson in Alaska, you can have resident hunting privileges

but that you're you hold the license right you hold a discounted license or whatever but you're not it's not the same as having a resident license like you're giving you're being given resident status in that way for that period of time okay am i am i is that a fair summation yeah so there are caveats to be like well it's not always wrong then we went to adam pancrats who's been on the show um adam pancrats had this so adam pancrats is a game warden here in montana and he uh he's he's a great a great warden and a great representative of the state of montana in my view because he takes time and i'm not singling him out as like exceptional it's just i happen to know him i'm sure this is true of many many many game wardens he's been on the podcast yeah he takes time where if you come to him with a like hey man i've read this 10 times and i can't make

sense out of it like how should i do this and he'll walk you through how to understand um he'll take the time to walk you through how to understand um i don't know aspects of the legal the legal code or legal structure that might be confusing uh he says there are a handful of discounts you can receive on non-resident licenses to include military deployment, college enrollment, etc. But you can only legally hold resident licenses in one state. The public often thinks the discounts equal residency. They don't. The only place I have seen legal possession of resident licenses in two states is some states that offer lifetime licenses for things like fishing which depending on the

state you may be able to keep even if you move so a caveat rich discussion yeah but i the guy that wrote in that started this whole thing was not laying out that situation he was hey i moved and never turned in my old driver's license which is an old trick yeah then you go to the new state you're like i lost my driver's license and they give you a new one yeah and then secretly you have your old one and then you go back to your old state present the driver's license and buy your resident license again, because they haven't figured out that you're not a resident anymore, which is the situation he was laying out.

And typically when you buy a resident license, you're signing a piece of paper that says, I do not declare residency in any other state. And for, you know, at least I know that's how it is in Montana. So. Yeah. I think in every state. Yeah.

Yeah. Here's what. I have a lifetime license in Idaho. Mm-hmm. And this part like doesn't fall into this, like is an outlier to the original question. Okay. Because it's a, it's a lifetime license.

You can take that lifetime license with you, but if you're no longer a resident in the state of Idaho, you pay non-resident prices for tax, right? Yeah, I would get rid of that program, because here's what's going to happen. The only people that are going to buy those who are young are people that are moving out of state. Yes.

I would love to go track purchases of lifetime licenses. And I bet they all are like, you load your stuff up, you fill your tank up with gas, you're in the U-Haul. And the last thing you do is stop in and buy a lifetime hunting license. Yes. So that's the conversation that I had with Idaho Fish and Game. Like I came out of the Frank Church, went to the Salmon Field office, knew I was moving back home to Montana.

And they said, oh, lifetime license. Are you moving? And I said, yes, I am. They said, great. Yeah, it's like hate the game, not the player. Yes, but at that point in time too, like the meaning of a lifetime license in Idaho does not mean what it means now. Like now it's a quite valuable thing to have.

Got it. At the time it was literally, it was more of a donation to Fish and Game. Yeah. Than any sort of scheme. And they subsequently, they sweetened the pot. They did sweeten the pot big time. Yeah.

You know, I hate the game, not the player. Mm-hmm. When. You came up with that, there was two years, there was two years. And this is Cal's favorite subject, which I like to bring up every episode. There were two years when I could buy my kids.

Oh, one of whom was, uh, zero years old. I could buy my kids bonus points, which just seemed to melt Cal's head. Yeah. Yep. Him not having, he's not making eye contact's head. Yeah. Yep.

Him not having. He's not making eye contact with you. Yeah. I mean. And then they quickly got rid of that program. Yeah. Yeah. Justice.

No, it felt dirty. It felt dirty when I was doing it, but I couldn't help myself. Right. It's available. This one titillated the piss out of everybody. It did. We're're talking about and we're gonna follow up wait we so if people are listening to the episode we're talking about uh the the controversy the controversy rich field of musky records which i like when i waded into i had no

idea that it was like a thing there's books written about this is not a joke there are books written about where people sort of go back to muskie records and argue about was it valid part of it being there's an ichthyologist who's like he's like looked every which way at muskies and his thing is is that a muskie is physically incapable of achieving pounds 70 pounds like it's not gonna happen right so people go in there like oh that record from 1920 probably you know whatever and they dissect all this stuff um and it's a real thing so we were covering a guy who's claiming to have what would have been the world record musky by a lot it might have been 10 pounds or something like this exceptional fish and he had weighed

it with a non-certified scale on a boat in the igfa international game fish yeah international game fishing association the igfa lays out all the rules for record fish meaning a record fish doesn't mean it's the biggest fish ever it means it's the biggest fish harvard like an igfa record isn't just the biggest fish that washed up dead on the beach is the biggest fish caught by an angler fishing under the rules and guidelines of the fga igfa meaning frank mundus uh monster man frank mundus harpooned a great white that was much bigger than a great white that he caught on rod and reel and tried to register with the igfa but it just he harpooned it so the igfa doesn't count it just like um the biggest buck i think the biggest buck ever like the biggest non-typical buck ever was found laying

dead there's hole in the horn still the biggest non-typical? That's actually in the record book. Yeah, but they do it differently. Yeah, they throw it into a different pile. So a big deadhead, well, put it this way. And sheds too, right? The biggest big horn, the biggest Rocky Mountain big horn on record was a deadhead. The biggest Rocky Mountain big horn on record was not harvested by a hunter. So it's just different but to get it be that you caught like that you caught the record muskie there's a

bunch of rules one of which is you cannot weigh the muskie on a boat and i was saying that's a high level physics question and people were like that's a low level physics question um so many people a lot of people had a lot of things. And I also said something that I don't understand enough to know that it's not true. My understanding of a way to define something that floats is if something, like a boat, weighs less than the amount of water it displaces, it will float. Or if an object weighs less than the amount of water it displaces, it'll float. And people are like, that ain't right. And they had all kinds of ways

in which that ain't right. But the biggest thing people are saying, like I've read a good number of these because it's kind of funny to read them. The biggest thing someone brought up is the reason you can't weigh something on a boat is because you're weighing something on a non-stable platform.

And we had a really vivid um we had a really vivid explanation of how this is true and it's from a serviceman service member he says in 2014 now this took i had to read this about 30 times to understand the sentence in 2000 not that he's a poor writer it's just something i wasn't familiar with in 2014 i was doing gator squares off the coast of yemen aboard the uss boxer i thought that meant he was doing some kind of alligator research off the coast of yemen aboard the uss boxer because most of our mail that we get in would be like, like I was doing X to an alligator and right. This happened. I got bit,

whatever, but he was extra. Okay. So he's, he's, uh, aboard the USS Boxer off the coast of Yemen and enrolling seas. So he's on the vessels.

He's working on the vessels gym. He says en rolling seas, you could scan the gym and witness the collective struggle of an entire platoon of Marines as the weight they thought they were lifting suddenly felt crushing. And the only hope was to hold isometric form until the swell passed and the weight was movable again he says i've seen weight slip off one side of the bar turning the bar into a javelin hurling across the room i've seen guys time their lifts to set personal records knowing the c's were doing the heavy lifting and i had a friend who was lifting a very reasonable set of dumbbells rip a pectoral muscle so thoroughly when the ship hit a swell that it rolled up into his shoulder and he had to be flown home you can debate he goes on to say this is jake jake says you can debate the rationale for a dry land squale scale requirement all you

want but i know one dude with a big scar you're never going to convince yeah yikes did he convince you that convinces me now i understand why and he's talking about a naval vessel with a gym on board i'm talking some dudes in a rowboat. Yeah, I know. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, just watch. I guess you just hold up and watch. No, wait a minute. Yeah. He's 60 pounds. Give me a second.

There he is. Now he's 70. All right. Man, Corinne, you put a lot of these in here. Those are great, though. You can tell when Corinne likes something. Yeah. She's got drawings in here. She's got like diagrams people sent in here. No, I thought we should make, yeah, like people did some diagrams that should be made into a T-shirt.

Yeah, like that turkey shirt we had about. You know, we made a shirt one time, Brad. You see some of these formulas? Yeah. It was, if you get to, if you get within 70, if you get to if you get within 70 if you get within 70 yards of a roosted turkey 70 yards so he's in his roost tree okay if you're within 70 yards that roosted turkey and you don't do anything don't call don't do nothing what are the odds he's going to walk within 30 yards of you i'm guessing good depending on where you're at. 13%. 13%. Which is better than what happens when you call.

Yeah, I don't know. 70 yards is pretty, yeah, I guess it depends, you know? Maybe I'm messing it up, but it was about that. You had about that. It's not better than when you call, but it's just meaning that a strategy would be that if you had 10 mornings to hunt and you could always slip within 70 yards of a turkey tree, he's going to come. Just leave your calls at home yeah he's gonna come well do you find they tend to come down in a little bit of a pattern you know if you can watch them for a couple days if you do a little homework they come in a pattern of that they go exactly the opposite of where

you're at not every time i mean i don't. They play the book sometimes, man. Not every time, but it sometimes is uncanny. Yeah. Turkey hunting's fun. Sometimes it's like, man, it sure seems like he went just exactly opposite. Not that he came in on an angle. Like, he went like away. Not every time. Sometimes it scares you.

They land in your face. I had a wonderful opening season turkey just a few weeks ago. Came off the roost? Yep, but they were not exactly where we thought they roosted. My buddy said he saw them go up, but he thought they were going to be right here, but they ended up moving a bit. He didn't watch them get up in the tree, but he

thought they were going to hang right there. They turned out to be on the other side of the field. We had our little decoys out. We were behind a rock wall, a little tree line and an open field in front of us. And those birds are up there. And then, you know, as the first light started to come up, we had some coyotes that were checking out our decoys.

And they've been around. They've been, I found a dead bird all coyoted up. You're talking about coyotes. Coyotes. And they, what would I say? Coyotes. Yeah, why? And they've been watching the birds, I feel like.

So I thought we were in a little bit of trouble. Oh, really? Yeah, oh yeah. You see them. One day I was just scouting and I saw the coyote. He sat about 50 yards under the tree where they're all roosting in the morning. And he just sat like a dog and just looked up. You're kidding me.

Just see if he gets lucky. Just wait and maybe they'll come fly. Yeah, one's going to fly right in my mouth. And then, well, there was a dead one. No kidding, really? What a move, man. So, yeah. So he eventually, but then luckily when we were hunting,

they kind of, they disappeared for a little bit. And the birds, I thought we were kind of screwed. The birds were just going to be squirrely. They sat up a little later than they usually do um but then those coyotes came back and the one he got real low and he came and whacked at my uh came running at my uh decoy so we're thinking the hunt's kind of over you know then eventually the birds start filtering down they're about 300 yards away maybe about three to four hundred yards away uh and they also about 15 birds, a couple of real big Toms, a couple of hens,

a few Jakes, and they start filtering and I, they're sitting there, you know, just butterballing around and then, um, and then a little dance. Oh yeah.

I can get up and do that dance. Just doing a little thing. Real cool. Just like this guy over here. Exactly. And then all of a sudden, like a string, I'm like,

I'm like my buddy, I was with my buddy Vin. I'm like, then they're, yeah, I'm like, then they're coming. Right. And he all of a sudden, like a string, I'm like, I'm like my buddy. I was with my buddy Vin. I'm like, Vin, they're, yeah. I'm like, Vin, they're coming. Right. And he's like, yeah. So they started, they just walk in a straight line right across this field. And then, and the hens were moving pretty quick.

They didn't, they wanted to get the hell. They were going for the tree line. No. And they, they did that. And these big, these butter balls all followed them. And then eventually they got to this little corner of where the trees and the rock wall meet. And the hens jump over and the jakes jump over. And there was five toms.

And they just sat there right at the rock wall waiting. They could see our decoy. Because they didn't want to drop out of strut. And they saw our decoy now. And I have one big strut decoy there. And it was pissing them off, right? So they just started doing this weird little turkey circle thing, you know? I could get up and do it right now.

And then they're like, and then they started coming towards the decoys. So we were behind the rock wall and the decoys are on the other side of the rock wall, about 20 yards in front of us. And about 20, 30 minutes, it took them. They ended up getting down. They came and beat the shit out of the decoy. And then we just, we both just popped up. And I didn't even, boom, I shot my big old redhead.

He fell over. And I go, Finn, shoot. And he goes, no, no, no. I'm like, they're still there. They didn't know what the hell happened. I was like, there's a pile of birds still. I go, Finn, what are you doing? Shoot.

He goes, no, no, no. I'm not shooting again. I'm like, I didn't even, we shot at the exact same time that I didn't even hear him shoot. But he had a second bird just laying there flopping around, and he thought I was telling him to shoot again. He thought I was going Carl on him. And he's like, no, no, no, we got two, man. We don't need to kill anymore.

And then it was just a perfect, it was like a beautiful morning. Steve, you'd appreciate this. Brad's alter ego is commercial Carl. Yeah, I should have explained that a little bit. Oh. So Carl, he likes to bring meat home. We'll put it that way. Carl shot two does a couple years ago with the old Lee Enfield.

He's like an old market hunter. And afterwards, I say this, it's totally legal, but I'll say this honestly. Right after I did it, I shot the one, and I thought I missed him. And in hindsight, I don't know why I thought that. Because it kind of did, it acted like a little bit of a hit. And it was close. It was 30 yards away.

And I had a rifle, old World War I rifle, I think it's badass, bolt action. Oh, you're talking the does now. Yeah. And she bolted. And then the other one just didn't, she like did a little J and came around. So I just re-racked and I shot that one. And then when I got down, that one just fell over. And then I got down and I was like, man, you know what?

I should probably, you might've actually shot that first one. Sure. And then she was behind me like 30 yards. But you had tags for both. Oh yeah, totally. That's why you're able to share the story. A hundred percent. Yeah.

The other thing you may not know is Brad could have a heck of a predator hunting third YouTube channel. His wife basically fought a bobcat in their yard. That was like last year, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so did our rest in peace, Scotty, our goose, who just recently got killed. But we got a whole.

By you? No. Sorry. I'd love to talk about this real quick, actually, because I'd like to pick your guys' brains, because it was a little bit of an unsolved mystery, shall we say. I would love to figure out what killed it. So it's a big Toulouse goose, handsome fella.

I don't know what that means. Like the ones that make the foie gras. Real beautiful. They use them in China as farm guard geese. They're like tan, right? Tan, brownish, orange beak, like oddly human eyes. They have little soles behind them. And they're very intelligent and aggressive and big.

And they shake their wings and they would bite the kids and my wife and shit. I got a kick out. At first, I didn't like him. And I had to insert the alpha. He would come at me. And I'm not going to lie. Come at me if you want. I'm talking to the people listening.

But I would give him a little beak jab. Yeah. You know, my buddy Danny Bolt was just saying this, man. Danny's a good dude, man. They had a duck that kept attacking people. Yeah, you got to. And he said he eventually had a dude where he had to hold that duck down. Yeah.

I grabbed him. He was like, stop doing it. And then the duck was like, jeez. A thousand percent. It didn't mess with him. It took a couple months, but Scotty ended up, he no longer, he would go after everyone. I came around, he would just, nope, not at all. Like, not even a little bit.

So we had a little understanding, you know, and we became friends. But let me get to the bad part, Scotty, rest in peace. And he did. He beat off a full-grown bobcat, too. Chased him in. Chased him off. Oh, yeah. And so I found him one morning. He didn't go in the coop that night.

And I found him. One leg was severed off and his entire cavity, his gut cavity, was completely removed. Breasts were not harmed at all. Neck didn't appear to have any flesh wounds or blood spots or bite marks or anything. Just trying to figure out what might have killed it. Do your wife and kids have

alibis? My youngest? He's too much of a sweetheart. No, they check out. But ate the guts out of it. Ate the guts out of it. No neck marks. Pulled a ham off marks i think told it pulled a ham off it no oh yeah pull the ham off and this is in connecticut this is in connecticut coastal

connecticut on the border of rhode island i got nothing i got nothing there's probably people that there's probably like goose farmers that would be like oh telltale telltale whatever red fox or you know i don't know well i think you know a cat probably would have took the animal Or ate it You know it would just leave a pile How big is the thing? Probably pretty big No I wouldn't assume they would haul it off

But I'm drawing a blank I'm sure there's people that are like That's a whatever you know Because they've experienced it before Maybe it's not a fun game to figure out I figured a coyote or even like a bobcat No it's a whatever, you know, because they've experienced it before. Maybe it's not a fun game to figure out. I figured a coyote or even like a bobcat. No, it's a real fun game. I just don't want to start telling you answers that are untrue.

It's a pretty short list of things it could be, right? Bobcat. I don't think it was a fox. I think a fox. Gray fox, red fox. I don't think it would have been desperate and really hungry to have to take. I think it was something big. I would not rule out a fox.

I know there were little kill machines, but Scotty was big, big man would a weasel take down a big old goose fisher cat man like a weasel can take down something way bigger than him you know yanni what well i mean of course i figured the neck would be about a weasel killing a like think about erm and killing a cottontail rabbit i mean things i asked five times what do you wait i asked my buddy who grew who grew up in the area, very outdoorsy, what he thought it was. And he said, without a question,

he thought it was a raccoon because of the time of the year. Early spring is when they have, um, babies and they tend to get really, uh, they tend to get, they do like pretty, uh,

pretty crazy acts of, uh, aggression. And maybe because, uh, it's, it didn't eat a lot of the meat, but just his organs, it was like a replenishment of...

That's my... He's got a little deep. Yeah, that's... Gotta. He likes foie. He's got a taste for foie gras. Yeah. A lot of stuff having babies this time of year, too.

That's a good point, right? Just about everything. What'd you do with it? Did you eat the thing? Eat Scotty? No, man. He was... Nah, it would have weirded me out.

I buried him and we made a little rock pile. I stuck a couple. I pulled a couple of his feathers He's got a little behind the coop a little sight those other ducks I think I it was the good one man I wish I wish any any of the other ones coulda coulda took it do you have graves for anything else on now? Man, that's it. Well, it's a old place. There's probably some other dead things there. Well, there's about 75 humans on my property that are buried. Does anyone want to...

We kind of beat the piss out of it, but anybody want to touch on the vote, the live scan vote came in? Well, I'll just tell you that I've already had people writing in and kind of hating me for talking about just being in favor of regulating technology. Well, you're part of a slim majority. For those that are just tuning in, what's the little back story at the top?

So LiveScope, are you familiar with LiveScope? No, no. I'm a newborn baby. Super fancy. Carl would love it. Carl's into it. Where you can watch fish in live action on your screen.

Wait, what are you talking about? Ice fishing or something? Yeah, they use it for ice fishing. So it's like a new fish finder. It has kind of the quality of looking at it's nothing at all to do with this, but it has sort of the quality of looking at like on dry land looking at infrared imaging.

Gotcha. But it's like a sonar not even sonar right not technically like can you identify species with it very like a very instantaneous um 360 scan yep so you can look at structure you can look at at fish moving around you can actually you can place distance from the boat very effectively. I'm not judging. You can place depth, like where it sits in the water column. I mean, I think it could be 20 feet away, depending. Let's say, you know, 12 feet away, whatever.

You'd be like, oh, there's a walleye right there, two feet off the bottom or whatever. It's right there, right there. Cast right there. That's live scope here's an example you're not gonna see the tree in pretty great detail there brad whatever you're showing you're showing them it buy them and put them on your on your boat if you want i mean it's never gonna go away but i'm i don't need it i don't want it i don't necessarily support it but it's a

i don't know you don't live in wisconsin that thing yeah in wisconsin guys get nuts man it was so it was put out to wisconsin It was put out to Wisconsinites. And landlocked fishers get crazy. Wisconsin has a beautiful, depending on who you ask, a beautiful or very frustrating way that citizens can promote, can put forward potential legislation. And we've talked about forwards. You put up an idea, and the first hurdle is you go out to the public

and people choose to vote on this stuff and be like hey what do you think about x depending on how that vote goes commissioners lawmakers whoever will pick up the question and pursue it and it's like what do they call it like a citizen initiative yep so a live scope ban question came out to people in wisconsin that chose choose to vote on this what i like about these is a really interesting snapshot in the past you talked about in the same cycle someone said should youth turkey season be moved from two days to four days and they said should youth deer season be moved from two days to four days youth turkey everyone voted yep have at it the same ballot youth deer

nope okay so it's like a really interesting snapshot of where people's heads are that's bizarre on the live scope ban question 41.6 percent support banning it's neck and neck 38.5 percent uh oppose banning 19.9 percent have no opinion so in very narrow like a very narrow majority so to act like cal is somehow outlandish he kind of he falls within a narrow majority and if the people that had no opinion were pressed to decide i'm assuming um the price day may be the same i don't know that's like 19.20 you split 10 and 10 it's right i'd love to dig in here and find like what percentage uh already own the technology.

And what percent even knew what they were talking about. Right. They're like, what? Right. And then what percentage of the people who own the technology might flip-flop on it. But Steve, you'll love this. The folks that wrote in and they were like,

oh, want to limit technology, do you? They use the. What about your. Oh, yeah. It sounded like a young question. It's like, yeah, I i'm gonna come to the office naked no computer no yeah i don't like live scope obviously well when we had our discussion we covered that we covered all of the technology yeah and and uh just turns out cal sits i turn

out like i'm kind of like, eh. I hem and haw. Cal's part of the narrow majority that's uncomfortable. Why would you make fishing more efficient? It's like, oh, you got your limit of stuff. Now you get to go home. Commercial Carl knows. I don't think it's that great, to be honest. Your turkey hunting story?

Yeah, what about it? Oh, I just got an observation for you. Yeah. Me and my boy this year were debating, when you say killing them off the roost, right? How soon, how late in the, what needs to happen to be able to say you killed it off the roost? Meaning, if a turkey, if a like comes down and lands and shot like comes off his roost tree and lands and you shoot it no one's gonna argue like you killed it off the roost well killing it off the

roost to me in my brain would be like someone who is like shooting birds out of a tree no that's not what that means okay that's not what that means so killing like shooting it up in its roost i guess it'd be like shooting off the roost which is illegal you're just right off the bat okay so what's the question well we're hunting and we had some come off the roost but then it took maybe an hour so as it's legal to draw them over and then we're like i was like you killed him off the roost yeah I don't know, maybe you didn't kill him off the roost. I was wondering at what point did you not kill it off the roost? If he came down, I guess how I would answer that,

as long as it's legal shooting time, and then if they came down within 30 yards of where they touch ground, I would call that killing him on the roost then. If they start going away and then coming back, then you're just like. Oh, hold the phone here, bud.

Okay. You were talking to Dirt yesterday. Garrett Smith was filming with us. Yeah. And Garrett was like kind of bummed because they just did a little family outing, turkey hunt in eastern Montana. Dirt's hunting stories always make me anxious.

And he's like, yeah. And I didn't know it was legal to kill him on the roost. On the roost, he said. And was bummed about it. And Brad's like, really frowned upon by it. Yeah, you don't want to tell people you do that. Well, in some states you can't. In some states you can't.

So Dirt was like, had I known, I would have had no problem. He's like, had I known, I would have had a turkey. Carl won't even shoot him out of a tree. That ain't turkey hunting. Listen, I never have, but I tried one time. Tried what? I'm the only guy you'll ever meet that missed one. In the tree.

That's the luckiest shot you ever took, Steve. I missed one out of the tree. I got under that tree. It was when I first started turkey hunting. I got under that tree it was my first start turkey hunt i got under the tree and you can see it gobble he stretches his neck out and i'm like why not dude just tried to take it and whiffed it i'm like how would you whiff that shot did he just fly oh he was out of the tree then the next day yeah so i tried and not listen now and i want to clarify not proud of that and i have since had multiple opportunities where I could have shot a turkey up in a tree,

but did not shoot a turkey up in a tree one time with my kid because I didn't want to get him going down that path. You're going to have to put this in your day you announced your campaign in that nice. Oh, yeah, it'll be on there. Missed a turkey out of a tree. I have no problem. I'm like, shot a turkey out of a tree. So I'm like, he didn't shoot that tree. He missed.

If you're somebody who wants turkey meat and you have one day to hunt and that's the situation that unravels at the end of the day, knock yourself out. I'm not going to judge you. I don't care. We had a guy write in one time,

why is it bad to shoot a flying turkey, but it's bad to shoot a duck standing still? Well, it's bad. Yeah, it's bad to shoot a duck on the water. Right. But he's like, I don't get it. Explain that to an alien. So some birds, it's better to shoot it standing there.

And some birds, it's bad. You got to shoot when they're flying. But then, you know, he just got confused. I don't know. Is it bad to pheasant a turkey? I mean, if he's like, and you got it and he's coming across. That's frowned upon. We call that Arkansasing.

No, that's not what Arkansasing is. Arkansas is anything that's like, feels a little weird. No, Arkansasing is shooting ducks off the water. No, it's like shooting a dove off a power line, shooting a turkey in flight, shooting a pheasant in the ditch. I was fishing with an ex-girlfriend. She was my girlfriend at the time, but we'd been fishing for a couple of days. And the first day, I'm using one thing.

I got lost. Current ex-girlfriend. Oh, yeah, I understand. At the time. You were fishing with your old girlfriend. Yeah, there you go. Clay's going to have to turn this part off. Yeah, I know.

Clay does not like this talk. Yeah. Clay feels that once you're in your relationship, your final relationship, he feels that you should not mention the other ones. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be very complicated If you have an ass tattoo

For example It's a hard one to never bring up again I gotta fill the sleeve First day we're fishing And I figure out what the fish want to eat And I'm catching lots of fish This is ocean fishing And fly rod fishing

And I'm catching fish And the second day I am fishing I'm catching fish. And then the second day I am fishing and not catching fish and she points out, well, why aren't you using the thing that you were using yesterday and you were catching all the fish? And I had to try to explain that because I knew that worked, I didn't want to use it because I

want to figure out what else I can get them to eat. That made absolutely no sense whatsoever and i couldn't explain it in a way that make made it make sense it's a version of you don't leave fish to find fish right yeah i don't understand i would have thrown the same thing too yeah we got like what not even once yeah yeah yeah but it's part of why fishing stock like stock ponds farm ponds well pellet heads yeah man because well even i mean like once you determine that you can catch a whole bunch of them right switch it up it's just it's not like it just it's a buzzkill part of it is what's gonna

like you know like you're asking every time you're asking a question. He wasn't chasing old pellet heads in a dam pond. No, you're, you're, but what I'm chasing is the, the, the high of figuring stuff out. I get it. I get it. It's awesome. It's fun. Increasing my game. Get tired of catching hogs.

Yep. Yep. Exactly. We've all been there. But that goes right into this argument of like, we can't kill a turkey like that. Right. Because there's plenty of people out there who are like, uh, you know, Giannis's buddy was like, oh, I don't use a decoy cause I don't want to go to hell.

Right. There's all these different versions of the game. Yeah. I, yeah, you're right. I, uh, I value getting a turkey over not getting a turkey. That's pretty much generally true. I'll still ditch crawl them. I'll bushwhack them.

Oh, yeah. Look at the grin on his face. Talking Carl's game now. If I need to. Right. If I need to, and it's like the last last gasp i'd love to pull them in on a string yeah i'll bushwhack them and ditch crawl them but i've just gotten to a point in my life where i'm fairly certain i would not shoot a turkey down out of his roost tree heck no i

wouldn't either it's classless trash act But you'll ditch crawl them Oh, I'll die That is the singular, largest return Of white meat that I get all year I prefer crawling, man You know what I mean? Get me off that rock out of my ass Let me crawl around

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Brad, tell me more about the shows you're doing. Yeah. So, yeah, a lot of adventure stuff, man. We do a lot of guests. We do a lot of... I brought a buddy of mine from up in Canada, another YouTube. He does more than that now. But Matty Matherson, I brought him for the season one opener, brought him spearfishing up outside

of Boston with the local legend. He was just a fun guest, the legend being this guy, Charlie Nutting, who you guys would dig. He's a really cool guy and just really into sea foraging and just a really good spearfisher. We went out chasing tog. Oh, how's that go? Oh, it's the best, man. I rod and reeled them, but-

Oh, I don't ever want to do that again. Okay. and we went out chasing tog or oh yeah how's that go oh it's the best man i've rod and reeled them but i know but i don't ever want to do that again okay walk me through it so it's pretty you know pretty shallow anywhere from you know the this was in the fall but we were do we do it in the spring too two seasons but we brought them up in the fall they're just up in the rocks that rocky new england structure and they're just holed up and doing their funny little things. They got like this white chin and you just kind of see them like, you know, they got a mug on them. Like they got these, they chew, they eat crabs. That's what like most people fish with them, is a little green crab.

But you just go in there and you kind of just crawl around and it's just like another world. The visibility is not, you know, it's not the best, but sometimes it's good enough. And then you just, I think, you know, in Connecticut, we're allowed two per person okay and um what's a big one they can i think they get pretty they can get they get big it's like a it's almost like our grouper i call them beautiful white meat and how deep are you diving not deep man anywhere from like six feet to 30 you know i don't really go any deeper than 20 for this don't need to really um when you say big are you like 15 pounder? That's a, yeah, I think that's a real big.

Oh, that's a real big one. Okay, yeah. Well, I guess it could go multiple ways because the way he held his hands up, that could be like a five pound northern. And it kind of grew. Right. Well, I mean, like, you pull them up, I think they have to be like a hundred pound oceanic sunfish. I think they have to be 18 inches.

But anyway, but to show me, we brought them up there, and we had a blast. We got some crabs. We got some lobster. We didn't get any tog, but Charlie got some conner fish, which was a new species to me. Absolutely delicious. It was a complete happy accident, in my opinion. I don't understand why that's not like a prime target, because it was phenomenal. So we had a blast, and this one old-timer timer stopped by and he dropped off a bunch of scallops that he went diving for.

That's cool. A little deeper. He was in like 70 foot scuba stuff. And then I brought him back to my house the next day and we did a making it episode of where we cooked up the whole bounty. So it was like watch the whole thing of us doing it. And then the next episode next week is where we will take that whole thing and cook it. We made a really awesome soup and it was just phenomenal. You know what I did the other day that I hadn't done in a long time?

I kind of forgot about it. You ever been poke-polling? Poke-polling? Poke-polling. Like what, for like lobsters or something? For monkey-faced eels. No, that sounds great. Not an eel, it's like a prickleback.

They're big. I'm holding my hands out. So what do you do? Go poking around? You know what? They're about like from, if you make a fist, like a good one's like from your elbow to your tip of your knuckles. Oh, right.

Okay. Now. Close to a cubit then. Yeah. Yeah. Fresh water. They live in cracks. The oldest.

They live in cracks and rocks and stuff. Fresh water. No, saltwater fish. Oh, okay. We're out in Northern California. Okay. You take a big bamboo rod. Put a little gig on it or something?

And you put a hunk of wire on the end, the clothes hanger wire, okay? You wrap it around the end of the bamboo rod and tape it so you got like a little wire, like a little six-inch wire packer hanging out the end of that bamboo. Straight. And then on that, you put a couple inches of leader and a hook you put squid on there yeah and you jam that pole deep down into the cracks on low tide any kind of crack you can

find and he falls up on it or no he'll grab it you'll feel him in it and then you try to got a snake his ass back out of there with on oh yeah yeah. No, it was a blast, man. I used to do that a fair bit. Not a fair bit, but I used to do it a bit. I have like a fake uncle down. I love that. Yeah. Me and him would go.

Man, that was a good time. Telling Callahan, I got to get you guys. You guys don't do much in the Northeast. Yeah. No, I don't do anything over there. Man, it's what a gem. Good hunting, good fishing, good duck hunting. Deers are phenomenal, but the fishing, saltwater is out of control, man.

You guys got to come talking. We go right off my boat easy. Oh, I want to come get it all, minus the Lyme's disease. Tuna. Yeah, man. Fishing's awesome. And I feel like one time you were telling me a story, Brad, and there were three Vinnies involved in the story. You had to really clarify it, but it's like I've never hunted or fished

in a place that has so many Vinnies. The Vinnosphere. Per capita. No, just one, man. I just got the one guy back home. There were multiple vinnies involved. You had to clarify. No, I used to work with one back in the day, but I don't really know too many vinnies. But that's a fellow that I was turkey hunting with, and the last time I was here. Yeah, you hang out with Vinny a lot.

Yeah, and that's where I've done most of my tuna fishing with. He's pretty dialed in on this. Tell me about another, tell people about another show they might want to watch. Yeah, making it, man. That's where, that's the cooking one.

No, I mean like another, like another thing you do. Yeah. All right. So we went to a coffee. This was a, this was a really fun episode. It's not out yet,

but we were down in Oaxaca in Puerto Escondido doing a, went to do a coffee video. And we drove into the mountains about three hours. And it's a really awesome farm where they grow it just in the jungles. You wouldn't even, like, it was just a biodynamic. It wasn't like a, just like, you wouldn't be really tell it was a coffee farm unless you knew what you were looking at.

And just saw the whole process. Got to pick some, how they wash it, how they, you know, how they just mill it all up and process it before it goes way before it goes to like where you know your coffee house so like i really i i really love the that's you know the strap the sorry the travel show of local legends to where we can go and really like demystify and show just a human footprint of where things come from that you know people kind of take for granted something like a cup of coffee we all get every day don't think twice about it complain that it's four dollars but if you saw what it took to actually produce that one bell it should be like oh my god it's like talk about a hard job i mean these guys are bringing it out with with donkeys and it's just like i think it takes i

forgot what he said it was like 70 cherries i'm it might be way more than that per per uh per cup of coffee. No. It's something wild, yeah. And people don't even know that it is a cherry or that it grows on a tree. Well, no. Hold on a minute. I never counted them up. Each cherry's got two lobes of a bean. I might be butchering the number. We're going to fact check that number. Well, no, you might be right. I never thought to count them. What I need to do is fill my coffee grinder up two times. Grind it.

Dump it out and count them. Did you know that it takes around 70 roasted coffee beans to make one cup of coffee? Check out the brain on Brad. It says the internet. Wow. Yeah, the internet. Yeah, so it was like just taking stuff like that and showing just a human component that goes into what you get at either your Starbucks or your fancy coffee shop. And it's amazing.

Coffee should probably cost $60 a pound if you saw what it is. Don't give him any ideas. Yeah, man. Well, it won't work, you know? And it's, it's just being able to show like there's bigger farms where we could have gotten a much bigger scope and it would have been easier. Hell, maybe they would even have paid for the episode. Right.

But like, I really like being able to show folks that are doing a good thing and we're going to tag it into another episode with my buddy who has a coffee shop up in Nova Scotia. Really cool cat, Dean Petty, anchored coffee up in Nova Scotia. He introduced me to this guy, Gus, who has this, you know, he won the cup of excellence down in Mexico.

Just, I mean, incredible, incredible coffee. And we're going to fly like 200 pounds of it back up to Nova Scotia, roast it and then sell it at a to Nova Scotia, roast it, and then sell it at a premium, um, at, you know,

as like in promotion to, to where all the proceeds are going to go back to the, uh, uh, the, um, the coffee, they have a,

uh, you know, a charity foundation. Yeah. It should be pretty cool. So like being able to tie product into the story and just kind of show, you know, educate folks,

but, but also have a good time. And then when we were down there, we,, man, it was, it was amazing. We did a making it episode and made some ceviche. And right now, I don't know if you've ever been to Puerto, but it's like a really cool cove. And every morning you go down there and all the locals are down there and it's just, there's a couple of little booths set up.

Everyone's waiting. They got their coolers and their bags of ice and all these like logs are all set up on the, on the sand. And then you're like, like all right what's going on you know everyone's just kind of waiting there's this one lady she was selling this like warm like milk rice kind of cocktail it was hot it was it was amazing i was sitting there sipping that this is great cameras are rolling and all of a sudden these guys get all fired up and they're taking these big logs and they're setting up like a little roller setup runner and all of a sudden these guys come in these like 30 foot wooden boats with these outboards just two stroke johnny and into it and they just you know they don't even

turn the motor off it's just sucking air and they just roll up on these roll on these um on those logs on those rollers to beach the boat yeah they get like 40 feet up on the beach. And then everyone just swarms. And the guy's got this big, like, you know, styrofoam box with ice in it, if you're lucky. And just all these, you know, mahi and red snapper and stuff. And this guy who I didn't, he was with his kid. And, you know, you got a camera. It sticks out, right? People are, I'm this tall white guy.

And it's like everyone else is Mexican. And so we stood out. But this one guy, he, like, took me in. And he helped me get the fish which was really cool like he didn't have to help me at all it's the nicest people in the world and uh he likes i don't speak spanish i was just kind of winging it with some pesos in my hand hoping but like they were clearly taking care of people and he like you know he like whistled at his buddy and he scored me some really nice uh red snapper that we brought over to this this beautiful woman a couple of small children that were just like scaling it and filleting. She did such an incredible job filleting the fish.

So that's her sort of like. That's all she did. That's her little biz. That's her thing, man. People buy fish and then she preps it. Bring him the Maria. Yeah. And I would have left my wife for her.

I loved her. She was like 60. She has to be like, hey, your name's not Peggy by chance I don't care I'll cross it out I don't give a shit I'll cross it right out you'd run into some issues with Clay there I don't want to waste a good tattoo where I'm going with Maria I'm not going to worry about Clay she'd be like why are you always calling me Peggy

it's fine but anyway man and then I took that fish and we made a making it episode with that, with that meat that she carved up and she did, man, it was, you know, in someone does a real good job or the bottom of the filet still had like all the silver like subskin, you know, I don't know what the hell it's called, but when it has like still that like white, like cod's a good example. When someone does a good job, there's still that like white kind of like, I don't know

what it's called. You know what I'm talking about? Not really. Yeah. Like kind of metallic-y looking. Yeah yeah it's got like a weird little shine like you don't get that unless you're like razor off the skin and uh oh sorry the skin side yeah no i understand i thought you're talking about the other side when she goes to take the skin when you take the skin off i understand yeah yeah and everyone was like perfect man you could like see

through the skin in the rack was like she was she just nailed it you know she's been doing it it seemed like for like for her whole life probably uh i got it whereas sam samantha wanted to sit down and watch one of brad's episodes okay and she's super into making sourdough bread right now so she's been working on her starters and stuff a little late to the game. Yeah. Oh yeah. Uh. That took off during the pandemic. Right. Uh, but Brad's got an episode that he hates.

Yeah. I almost didn't want to hear it. On, on sourdough bread that he, that he did. It did well, but why do you hate it? This was, this was the greatest part though, is I'm like, we sit down side by side and watch this thing and I get done and I'm like oh i can make sourdough bread and sam gets done with it and she's like that was way too chaotic for me i can't put her in a seizure well we have similar brains then she i could it's very different she probably did well in school

we jump around a little bit you know it's probably uh yeah i would it's it's as much entertainment as it is educational but yeah i almost didn't want to put it out because it like, it was fine. But like, if you look closely, you really know what you're talking about. The crumb was a little off. It had some irregular kind of, uh, some air structure, air pockets in the crumb. And it just wasn't my, like, it was like, I baked 200 loaves in the past year and they've all been great. And like, when we, when we filmed like everything, the ferment was a little weird.

It was cold in the studio. I was was like everything was like a little off it worked but i just wasn't what's that term for the air pocket i don't know i made it up i thought you called it a crumb oh that well the crumb is just the inside you have your crust which is you know the outside crunchy crust oh and then the crumb is the whole like inside it's called crumb the part kids want yeah like you cut the crust off and you would leave a crumb is the whole inside. It's called crumb. It's the part kids want. Yeah, you cut the crust off and you would leave a crumb bread sandwich. No one would say that. Is it got a B on the end?

What'd it say? Crumb, just like bread crumbs. But it's crumb. This says the air pockets in bread are called alveoli. A-L-V-E-O-L-I? Like in your lungs? A-L-V-E-O-L-I? Like in your lungs? A-L-V-E-O-L-I. What's the outer part of a nipple? Areola.

No, you're talking areola. No, but look up the layers. Those are like the air sacs in your lung. Brad, you'd be like a, I'd put you at expert level on bread. No. Oh. No, no.

I mean, I don't think i'll ever fly regularly with loaves of bread that you make yeah well no i mean that's not then it's not a big deal with tsa they don't know i one time you know it's funny man but that puts you in a different category of bread maker that's all i'm saying i got stopped by tsa for having, they had an interesting word choice. They just said like, hey, there's an organic mass. Oh, boy. That was their terminology. What was it, meat? Yeah.

I just thought it was a great word. I got a. Organic mass. I had a bad experience with transporting raw meat in TSA. I was coming back from an elk hunt, and I wanted to bring everything. I couldn't bring it all back. I shot a cow elk um a really cool trip i went on and um anyway i had this one uh small yeti that i could put some fresh meat in to bring back right and uh it was like it was insane i went to weigh it and it was like a few pounds over and i was like can i can't you

just like charge me like i don't know like an extra hundred bucks or something like i'm not bringing the plane down with like two pounds extra meat and like she had to like open it up and she was like either you can get rid of it all or i was like what am i gonna do with like this raw meat so i had to go outside there's a garbage can and i had to like open it up and i mean people were looking at me like i was like discarding my ex-wife i was like had like blood on my hands and i was like putting you don't want to see that at the airport someone like raw handling meat and putting it in a garbage can and then i and then eventually i had to go back in and it was still a pound off and i might have i might have cursed at the lady i would have eaten some it was like three in the

morning dude i was not in the mood it's gonna take me a minute to eat two pounds but i had to throw a few. I guess this isn't a great story. But you're going to sit here and watch me do it. But then eventually I got it down and checked it. Here's the anatomy of bread. The outside, the surface is the crust. The score is the cut you make, which creates the bloom.

The inside soft part is the crumb. How do you spell that? C-R-U-M-B. Okay. And then the air pockets are a cell. And then what's left over on the table when you're done are crumbs. Plural. Sure.

Correct. Checks out. That's great. Hit me with that again. So the crust is the outside. The score is the cut you make that creates the bloom. The crumb is the soft part of the bread. And the cell is the air pocket.

You can picture a pretentious ass bread store making a big deal about all that. Sure. We got the best, best cells in the Valley. So my crumb was a little off. I had some, you want a nice little tight consistency of your cell. I had some like amoebas formed in the one

corner and like, just like an odd shape is what i mean and uh that i was very disappointed in that people said it would look great but like they clearly didn't know they're oh yeah to me i was like i'll eat that right now i wish i had that in my home it's wonderful but it was it had flaws and i was i didn't want that to represent my video i didn't want to shoot it again either because it takes three days to do. Do you mind, what's up with your shirt with Jerry Garcia and a diver down flag? Diver down, man. Yeah, that's it.

No, no, Jerry never dove in his life, I'm guessing. He made those big neckties. Big neckties? You know that? You mean like suit ties? He got into making suit ties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's just a really cool shirt.

There's a bunch, you know, a couple old ones. Maybe it's probably a lyric in a song or something. But it doesn't mean it's not like he wasn't a diver. He doesn't have a song called Diver Down. I don't think so, man. Jerry, like, I think he like drank Coca-Cola and did heroin, man. Like, I don't think he was diving much. But I'd like to believe he would get into it.

I wouldn't mind going fishing with Jerry. Why did he get into that necktie thing? Great question. Maybe, like, he just got, it got weird, like painting or something or, you know, like ties suck,

man. I'm a boldo guy now. I think I was in an Arby's parking lot when I heard he died. Yeah. I believe that. They got the meat, right? Isn't that Arby's?

We got the meat. They do that. It wasn't Arby's that did that big thing for a couple of years where they would, um, they would, they would do those venison sandwiches and drum up all kinds of media. Yep. Wait, they did venison? Yeah, they did.

Well, they were trying to make it like a thing that they thought like deer hunters would get into. So they'd find every Tom, Dick and Harry on the internet that had any kind of hunting type media. And they'd try to get you riled up about how they were offering venison sandwiches some gravy and you'd be like well it's not that kind of venison i mean it has nothing to do with deer hunting you're just like probably buying red deer from new zealand right but they thought that it would be like exciting and it wasn't not maybe to someone it was it was the people that write

news articles did you ever have it curly fries oh no have the curly fries steve here is from the dark star in oral biography of jerry garcia regarding the ties here's the quote jerry did not want to do the ties i brought the proposal to him nora thought it was a great idea in jones uh nora sage probably a manager trying to squeak some money out of the system. Nora thought it was a great idea. And Jerry said, quote, ties. Do you know what I think of ties? This is what I think of ties.

That's where the quote ends. And then he pulled an invisible tie up over his head like a hangman's noose. I said, okay, I'll never mention it to you again. Then Nora got a lawyer to call him in Hawaii on vacation. And Jerry didn't say no. He didn't on vacation, and Jerry didn't say no. He didn't say yes, but he didn't say no. Scandal! I told them all, quote, he doesn't want to do it, but they ignored me.

It was a big embarrassment to him. He didn't want that done. Man, I'm glad you shared that. Good for you, Jerry. I knew you were the reporting chops on Spencer. All the way from Reddit.com. Love that. He got screwed.

Steve, Brad's got some fish aging chops, too, that I think you'd be really interested in. Yeah, man. Covering that. Love it. Big fan. I don't doubt that I'd be interested, but I doubt that it's true. Tell me. Doubt that what's true?

That I do it? Well, you pull out their old list and do the micro-spectrometer. You got a micro-spectr spectrometer aging the flesh for flavor oh oh yeah no i don't know if it's legal i'd be like that purchase captain rings listen if it's legal i don't care how old it is man you know with the uh with the fish okay so aging fish in a restaurant no my house so oh yeah they're just catching my yeah i thought cal meant telling how old it is or how long it's been how long it's been in your fridge no not at all i just i've got like to age fish yeah so i got an outlet i haven't gotten into that go ahead so it's great man i could

just people are all hopped up on this right well just fish handling in general big you know i like to promote it as much as possible like you know just like hunting like killing it's you know not i hate to say the easiest part because it's not always easy to hunt you know but like it's hard yeah heck yeah but um but pulling the trigger is easy right and then the real work starts you know breaking it down taking responsibility for what you kill and like the same stuff with fish you know like getting i'm a big believer and uh advocate for bleeding that fish out if you're going to harvest it as soon as possible i i cut the gills just their main arteries and just and they bleed out just pump the blood out that's usually what goes bad in fish first and you get that nasty kind of smell people say it's got an

off flavor or real fishy smell it's usually the blood or how it was treated um and like i don't even really put them on a you know and then i gut them and scale them at the and cut all the gills out before i bring them home. And then I'll just put a little meat hook right through the tail, try to hit that spine and just hang them head down for, you know, depending on the fish, you know, but for the most part, you know, few days minimum up to two weeks. At what time? I built a walk-in fridge at my house. So I keep it at like 38. So let's say, let's name a fish for me

striped bass that's a great example well depends what you ask but you know it's a great example because people know it you can see one right so slot fish right now i think it's 28 31 inches say you catch one legally you're entitled to bring one fish home a day you know and um so scale it you bleed it bleed it scale it gut it you don't ekg man well i'm not with that fish the gills kind of do it but i have with the tuna and stuff like that before if you know where you know know where you're aiming just kind of and you see it it's amazing they just kind of melt yeah it's pretty wild um but like you know killing it quick and getting that blood out and then getting it cold don't let it just

sit on even though if you're whacking fish and it's you don't realize it's you know, killing it quick and getting that blood out and then getting it cold. Don't let it just sit on, even though if you're whacking fish and it's, you know, realize it's, you know, actually 80 degrees out. Getting that carried away. Yeah, man. It's real fun just making a pile of these things. Yeah. Then you find one under the seat later. Yeah. Or he's just sitting back in, you know, you know, side gunnel there or back by the transom.

And it's just bacon. Back in the spilled gas. Yeah. So like, yeah, exactly. You know, so like get that fish take care of it and like that's really going to translate through with the quality of it and then hanging it just kind of lets that rigor fall out yeah but i want to so i just want to walk through just make sure we're getting it like so bleed it you'll gut it you'll scale it you'll gill it yeah but then you got it there it is

then put it in the cooler and you can't yeah cool it when you get home then you're going into a fridge yep i wipe it off with a little paper towel 35 to 39 degrees or whatever yeah let's say 36 and a half okay and you hang it upside down i hang it from the tail head down and let any remaining blood i used to do it from the head because it was easier to hang them sure but then i saw like right at like the shoulders i know i, I don't fish up shoulders, but like. Oh yeah. Right at the collars. Oh, big fish got shoulders. Gotcha. Yeah, right, right. Universal truth.

Yeah. And like I would see some like little bit of like drainage tinging into the meat. Okay. So I started to hang them head down, anything remaining coming out of that, like that cut and the gill and any of that head would drain out. And that fish would just get like a little firm and that skin would just wick off any moisture and the fish would relax. And then when you, it's way easier to fillet.

You just cut right through it. And how many days might you go? I mean, I've gone, I don't, I think the sweet spot is, you know, again, depending, but like, I really think just a few days is all, you know, like five days, four days has been. Five days I think is the sweet spot with the striped bass and the tog which is primarily what i hang and uh and then it's just awesome it cooks up just like firm sweet it's just got like a real clean flavor and uh man that skin you can get it like a potato chip you got all that moisture kind of i can see that and it's just i it's hard and probably if you go to i bet you even then if you did go to freeze it it's going to be a lot nicer i'm glad you brought that up like a wet soaking mess you know 100 man all that moisture is kind of released already or evaporated or drained out and you're a thousand percent right

i've seen a lot less like cell explosion you know and all that drainage that bag of nasty fish water it actually pulls out pretty dry it's pretty it's a way superior way to freeze fish 100 and uh and it's and i haven't and i've like you know it's because like some frozen fish man it ain't that good you know like people kind of botch it and like and depending on how you defrost it as well i think you know taking it out of that bag when you defrost it makes a big difference as well and then it like drain in a colander or something um yeah it's just it's shockingly uh it it holds well when you treat it that way you know the best fish and game um prep tools i have my brother danny got it for me it's like a plastic tray it's like a commercial plastic tray yay deep and it's got that insert like rubbery no it's got that perforated insert that sits on the floor okay

so right and that insert sits oh man it ain't a half inch off the bottom so it's a double yeah you clean a turkey yeah you clean let's say you got turkey breasts come home it's got feathers all over whatever the hell nastiness you know wash it all up it's kind of wet little drainage tray yeah you put it you take that thing and lay that sucker in that on that little drainage tray perforate it in the fridge and oh yeah because you spend your whole life pulling everything out of its own muck right do you know what i mean like you put some fillets in a bowl and throw in your fridge and later you're like Ah man I don't do it anymore

Or like the ass end Of a beaver in a Ziploc Yeah It's just like You got like It's so nasty It's own muck 100%

To do that I'll Game changer Yeah I love that thing Game changer I hang I open it Say I go buy a chicken

You know we all do it right I hang it No I don't do that You never buy chicken And I get mad at my family When they do that Well whatever But I sometimes

I'll go home My kids will get like confessional. Daddy, please. We just want chicken, Dad. I bought a chicken. Really? What? Little factory bird.

But no, even like, you know, a lot of, even for a steak, or a pork chop, I hang everything. I salt it ahead of time, salt it a day ahead, and I hang it. And it's the biggest advice I can get, especially a chicken. Salt that thing a day ahead, hang it, or put it on a i can get especially a chicken salt that thing day ahead hang it or put it on a perforated hotel pay whatever and uh game changer yeah i take i like to take venison loins get them all nice all nicey nice salt them then put them in my little tray oh yeah slide that tray in my fridge nothing wrong with that yeah it's beautiful it seasons

it all the way through we talked about this yesterday. I don't quite seal the lid. Then why don't you breathe a little? I leave a little crack. I can show you sometime. Yeah, you want? Like I said, I don't even wrap it. I just hang it. Hang it.

I got a little like, you know, I made like some hanging trays, racks in there. Put everything on a little hook and let it, I mean, I know it's a luxury, but yeah, letting it breathe, 100%. Yeah. One of these days I'll be living the walk-in life.

That's the long dream of mine. Game changer. I pray. I'm going to try the hardest for the rest of my life to never not live with that one. Yeah. Hang deer, ducks, turkey, everything. It's amazing. It's great.

You go get a big one. That made me a little bit jealous. Make a big, oh, Steve, you have to, you have to build one. I'm surprised you don't have one. You should have one here. You should have two of them. And, you know, you go get a big old bushel of oysters or clams. Just put the whole bushel in there.

Lobsters. Keep them in there. Everybody's happy. And then you keep the house nice and clean. Wife's got the little normal fridge. We've got our milk and we've got our apples and stuff. But outside, it's like- Tattoo on your butt.

Yeah. Outside, it's like butt tattoos. I built it in the studio where we shoot the making it stuff. And it's just, man, what a luxury. Brad, thanks for coming on the show, dude. Thanks for having me, man. Anytime. Come out east.

We got some stuff to cook and kill and harvest. I'd like to. Let's get in the ocean. I don't know why I don't pay much... Not that I don't pay attention. Just, you know, you kind of like fall in where you got like friends in certain areas. Yeah, I get it, man. You fall in like where you got like, where you fall into

whatever, like, you know. I've been pitching this for a long call me whenever you guys are ready. March it up, and this will be my final pitch here, okay? And then I won't, I'll probably annoy you again, but you gotta do, I don't feel like you really brought this up that much. Oh, big time. To me? Oh, yeah. You gotta do to do a new england chapter of meat eater at least come on tour you

guys never come on tour i'll sell you out we did we came to philadelphia that's not new england philadelphia it's like too far away from new england huh yeah where does new england start it's the seven states i believe massachusetts no i would say bottom end of new england connecticut okay seven new england states maine new hampshire vermont massachusetts rhode island connecticut yeah i've been there you gotta go man fishing hunting world class i think there'd be something very cool about for all the uh you know let's do a festival. We kind of talk very smallly about the small state of Rhode Island. I think it'd be very fun to go out there and do something in Rhode Island.

Listen. I identify as Rhode Island. I've fished Rhode Island heavy. I don't want to say the circumstances because I don't want to offend Clay. But I knew someone. I knew someone who had a writing fellowship there cool great and did a lot of bluefish and striped bass oh bluefish pound for pound what a fighter shore fishing oh you get you get where you can't get nothing done don't get me started that time

of year late summer when you know you gotta go down to the beach and check up and down the beach. September? Oh, God. And then you go back and try to do some more work and you're like, oh, shit. No, get back down there. And you got to go back down there and look up and down the beach. They're rolling on the beach when you're checking emails. Because you're just waiting to see all that boiling water.

You can't get anything done. The bunker or just everything. Everything's just boiling. I'm thinking that you'd be sitting there doing some work and just down the road, all those fish are doing that. Man, spring and September, October, I those fish are doing that. Man, spring in September, October, I fish five, it takes me ten minutes to

get to my boat slip and then in ten minutes not even then, we're on the fish, man. It's the best. Sportsman's paradise. It's a dream. To health, Louisiana. I didn't say that, but... Well, it's a sportsman's paradise. Oh, sure, sure, sure. One of many. Cold water though, it's great, man. You gotta come up little give me a water temp when you're diving well right now cold

as shit tell me what uh high 50s okay i just discovered about myself you do not like well 54 fine 50 no good no no it's a narrow like something happens with water between when it's 50 and when it's 54. It gets a bit cold. And you know what? I might even be a little off, to be honest. I think in the spring when TOG first opens up, when we jumped in the first time, it was a couple days after opening. It opens up in April, I believe. I believe it was a bit colder than 50.

Yeah. At 50, your face. Like around the edge of your wetsuit. At 50, your face is like, ah! The first 10 minutes. At 54, your face, like around the edge of your wetsuit, at 50, your face is like, ah! The first 10 minutes. At 54, your face is like, eh. First 10 minutes, you get a brain freeze. But usually the hands and the feet start getting cold after an hour.

But you're kicking around. You're moving. But no, I think in the early spring, water temperature in New England, where I'm at, it's probably high 30s, low 40s. It's the coldest time of the year. Yeah. And then in the fall, you don't even need a wetsuit.

September, I mean, you know, you can't even wear board shorts. Yeah. Amazing. Ladies and gentlemen, Brad Leone. Thank you guys. We'll see you later, man. You're a good man, Brad.

You're a better one. Thank you, buddy. Thank you. All I need is my tag and then I'll go From my hometown in Michigan To the Rockies or the Desert Lane I have everything that I need In the great outdoors When I draw my phone I know I tilt here

And everything is right I let my arrow fly Tookin' back straps On an open fire Lookin' up at the stars No place I'd rather be I'm a meat eater I'm a meat eater

I'm a meat eater I want this place to be the same A hundred years from today So my children's children can do the same They can hunt and fish and hike and play So conserve the resources Protect the land For the next generation So they can see

The beauty and the majesty Of the great outdoors I set my crosshairs On a pit bull well I take a breath And squeeze my trigger On the same clear river In a boat with a good friend

Digging through all I Watch the sun rise guitar solo I'm a meat eater I'm a meat eater I'm a meat eater When I draw my four on a whitetail deer Everything is right I let my arrow fly I set my crosshairs up in full wealth

I take a breath to squeeze my trigger I'm a meanie Bad stress on a fire I'm a meanie What are you frowning? How about some turkey pie? I'm a meanie I'm a leader I'm a leader

I'm a leader I'm a leader I'm a leader I'm a mean man I'm a mean man I'm a mean man When the shot's on I'm a mean man No matter where you go

I'm a mean man Hunting turkey in the springtime Ain't nothin' but a good time I'm a beast I'm a beast I'm a beast I'm a beast I'm a beast

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