The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 566: Shooting Dogs and Stopping Hogs

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

Steven Rinella talks with Tony Peterson, Ryan Callaghan, Randall Williams, Brody Henderson, Janis Putelis, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider.  Topics discussed: Steve reads "A Vaquero of the Brush Country" so you don't have to; terrorizing the neighborhood with a slingshot; listen to our new HOUNDations podcast covering all things dog with Tony Peterson on Cal's podcast feed; reading entries for the first MeatEater Podcast essay contest; what's happened to the Gulf; the future Fish Shack South; join Steve and the crew for some fishing with MeatEater Experiences in Venice, LA  and waterfowl hunting with MeatEater Experiences in Kansas; Jani's Gould's turkey; a public service announcement for hunters in New Mexico; hog hunting bans; bonus points for kids; and more.  Outro song "MeatEater" by Brad Pike Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But someone gave me, someone that came to the show, hands me a Baccaro of the Brush Country. J. Frank Doby, the historian J. Frank Doby. It's now your favorite book. Listen, I'm not recommending it to people because you got to have a certain set of interests and whatnot. But I have learned, there's this whole thing I didn't know about. So much of this book takes place down in South Texas, along the Gulf Coast. Where cattle do just fine on their own. Okay.

And it kind of comes in in the 1860s. It's mostly the recollections of this dude, John Young. So it's kind of told from the, so it's a historian who took all of John Young's recollections. And it introduced me to all this stuff. A lot of this, Yanni, takes place down at, a lot of this stuff is taking place,

what became the King Ranch. Like by Laguna Madre there. Kennedy County, which is where Euteria is, on the ground that became like Euteria Ranch, King Ranch. Huge amounts of cattle. In the 1860s, the whole thing is you just go and catch them all and sell them. And not only that, catching hogs.

Huge herds, building up huge herds of wild hogs and driving them to market. Listen to this. He's talking about when the cattle market collapsed with cattle at such a low price that they were sold for the value of their hides and tallow alone what was locally called the skinning war came to be fought. How I'd gone my whole life without knowing about the skinning war. Or the muskie war. Instead of stealing cattle and driving them off,

rustlers rode out on the range and killed cattle where they found them, removing the hides and leaving the carcasses for buzzards and coyotes. Owners naturally became desperate in defense of their property. In the end, men as well as cattle were killed two factors aside from the low prices of cattle were largely responsible for this promiscuous and wholesale skinning in the first place the custom of the country was that any man could take a quote fallen hide a hide off a dead cow, when he found it. No matter what brand the animal bore, the hide was his.

Just as a maverick was his, a maverick is a unbranded cow. Just as a maverick was his, if he could catch it. In the second place, with the country all unfenced, cattle in the wintertime drifted from the North towards the coast by the thousands, the colder and wetter, the northerners of winter, the more they drifted and bad years.

They banked up along the bayous and creeks and milled over the prairies. What grass they did not trample down. They grazed off. Then they bogged and died until quote in, in some places, he's, the writer is quoting someone. Then they bogged and died until in some places a man might have walked for miles without stepping off their carcasses. Those that did not bog down grew thin. Then if on the tail of winter a hard spell came, they dotted the whole range with their bones. The cow people of the lower country came to speak of the skinning season,

as naturally as they spoke of the branding season. A settler short on a corn crop could count on a hide crop. The cow outfits of summer became the skinning outfits of winter. In the disastrous die-up of 1872-1873, for instance, Jim Miller's outfit on the Nueces skinned 4,000 dead cattle. Of course, die-ups were dreaded by all cattlemen, but they were welcomed by skinners who had no cattle. Then when cattle did not die fast enough to keep their knives busy, such skinners killed them.

Think of that. Think of the wrist strength, you know? I mean, that's, cowhide. That's my, my preseason hunting prep is just grabbing weighted pieces of leather and fabric and just pulling on them. You're just tugging a lot of skin. At many of the packeries, he's talking about the tallow business. I'm not going to tell you a handful.

A packery. At many of the packeries, the cooked meat after the tallow was rendered out was either fed to hogs or else dumped into the water. Some parts of the animal, such as the loin, which has no tallow in it, were fed to the hogs raw or given to anybody who would haul them away. At times one could haul off free a wagon load of the choice's

loin steaks. Captain Richard King, everybody's heard of the King Ranch ranch what are you smirking about i just love this the king ranch you can go down and buy a ford truck king ranch edition uh it's great to hear someone else get called out for smirking i did i wish we all could have a you know a day of the week where we all bring in some yeah i'm gonna start a service yeah when i retire i'm gonna start a service where i read books so you don't need to right just flip through your i'm gonna go through your bookmarks and read the passages bookmark the places that catch my

fancy and then i'll read them to people that's great this is a whole new podcast concept captain richard king now i'm editorializing here because you could go down right now to your ford dealer at some point in time in the recent past and get a King Ranch edition. I have tried to call bucks over from the King Ranch, and I believe I've done so successfully. Tried calling coyotes over from the King Ranch and did not. Captain Richard King, I'm quoting, Captain Richard King, who established his great ranch in 1853 and who was for years in partnership with Captain Kennedy, which is Kennedy County, where the King Ranch sits, back to the book, had a rendering establishment even before

the Civil War. Now listen to this. He attempted to preserve meat for shipment by infusing brine into veins of cattle immediately after they were slaughtered. Oh, wow. That's a new concept. Try that in your, we should try that. He probably took it. So that used to be his thing. It's like, I don't know how true.

I've read that the wolf the wolf hunters i've read that they would inject you'd shoot a buffalo before it died you just inject its veins with strychnine right i've also read that you just make a cut and splash it was i don't know which of those is true his idea king ranch king's idea of um infusing brine into the veins of cattle to preserve the meat did not work. It's like preserving a human corpse with embalming fluids. Listen to this. So they get after a cattle rustler and they catch him. After considerable delay, the case was affirmed and Singleton

was brought back to Beeville to hang. He remained hard, cool, and hopeful to the end, for this was to be the first legal hanging of a white man in the country for a long time, and he could not believe that his followers would allow any such procedure. Meanwhile, I had resigned as deputy sheriff and Sheriff Walton was so expectant of a jail delivery, meaning a breakout, that he got a half dozen rangers

to guard the prison. While they guarded, Singleton wrote a letter to his mother saying that he would never be hanged in public, quote, this is Singleton being quoted in the book, before a gaping multitude of fools, especially B County fools. Finally, he made out a most peculiar will

to which the press gave wide publicity. In it, he bequeathed his skin to the district attorney, J.J. Swan, who had prosecuted him, directing that it be stretched over a drumhead and that the drumhead be beaten to the tune of Old Molly Hare in front of the courthouse every year on the anniversary of his hanging as a warning to evildoers. The remainder of his anatomy, he bequeathed to the doctors and the cause of science. On the eve of his hanging, he played seven up the night through with the Rangers. He was hanged on April 27.

Did they keep his hide? I gotta know. I've always thought I'd like to be, you know, bear bait or something when i go but being made into a drum to be played every year to annoy your enemies on a on a particular date would be really fun ready for this one i'm ready of prairie dogs had the animals been called prairie squirrels instead of prairie dogs, they would probably have been killed off long ago for their meat. Their diet, like that of squirrels, is strictly vegetable.

Their flesh is clean. Only their name has been against them as a game animal. Some years ago, two enterprising young men in West Texas made good money shipping prairie dog carcasses, cleaned and refrigerated to northern markets, where they were sold as squirrels until food authorities discovered the trick that was being played then the business went under i was just reading a mountain man account where they're talking about how good prairie dogs are to eat was he my kid My kid tried one. He said, see, he shot one.

Yeah. And he wanted to get more. And I said, well, eat that one. You can get all you want. And I didn't think he'd do it. So he fried it right there in a pan while we were camping, ate it, and then went off to get another. The, uh, the world record prairie dog was killed

in Colorado. Was it? Yeah. And it's a grossly large and the guy ate that one supposedly what do you say it tasted like how big that's a little nibble of it just i don't know non-district who certified that record i we were my mom was living in colorado at the time so i can't it was a long time ago ready for this, listen to this. On the prairie dog topic, that museum that I've mentioned many times, that's out of Shoshone, Idaho. They have in that museum, which costs like $10 to go into, and it's the most amazing private museum for many macabre and different reasons.

But they have a coat in there made out of like 500 prairie dog skins. Really? Yeah. And as an example of like what the natives did once the game was all shot out. Yeah. That's interesting.

Yeah. A few days ago near the Frio, the body of a man was found on the prairie with the head completely severed from the body. Listen to this now. Pay careful attention. Near the body was found a horse with a rawhide lariat fastened to the saddle, the other end of the lariat being attached to the horns of a steer. This lariat, for a distance of three or four feet, was freshly stained with blood.

The supposition is that, in lassoing the steer, the rider accidentally got his lariat wound around his own neck and was then dragged about by the steer and horse until his head was completely torn from the body. Never found the head? Never mentions finding the head? Here's a guy who puts out a... Coyote drug it off, probably.

1877, a cattleman puts this out in the newspaper. Ready? He puts out a this out in the newspaper Ready? It puts out a public notice in the newspaper All honest, good, industrious, poor men with families Are welcome to kill an occasional calf of mine for food Provided they do not waste the meat And all my honest neighbors are welcome to skin and sell The hides of my dead animals But living animals must be untouched

The killing for food, skinning, but living animals must be untouched. The killing for food, skinning, or selling must not be kept secret. John Tymon. Man of the people. He must have been running for office later. Listen to this. This is loaded. I'm about done.

Listen to how much history collides in this single paragraph. With the first big snow of the winter, word came in that cattle on the dry Cimarron, the range of the Cimarron Cattle Company, were drifting badly. Word came, too, that rustlers were stealing drift cattle on the Canadian to the south and selling them to tie cutters and graders for the Santa Fe Railroad about Turkey Mountain in New Mexico. So they're going out ahead of the railroad grading timber and cutting it for railroad ties, and they need to eat. So what are they buying? Drift cattle. Who's selling them drift cattle? Rustlers. According to our information,

the rustlers, made up mostly of ex-buffalo hunters, were under the leadership of a young man called Billy the Kid. Never heard of him. And here he's talking about at one point in time he goes undercover there's a lot of guys selling stolen cattle and a bunch of cattle guys want to know if they're selling his stolen cattle so he dresses up like a like a like a he gets an old bad mule get some grubby clothes and

a floppy hat and he hates wearing a floppy hat. And he includes this poem. Wear a good hat. The secret. This is a poem. Wear a good hat. The secret of good looks. Lies with the beavers. In Canadian Brooks.

Musical. Beaver Wolf Felt. Mm-hmm. Last little bit. Then I'm done with this book this is all the mate you don't need to no no need to read this book i just told you everything is good i accidentally broke the trigger off the first colts 45 that i owned and was not at the time where i could have it replaced i simply took the pistol apart and with a file removed the trigger mechanism. The gun could then be fired by merely drawing the hammer back and releasing it one motion. After I got used to shooting this way, I, like many other men, would not have a trigger in a gun.

A man with a trigger had to pull the hammer back, then pull the trigger, making two motions in firing. One motion is always quicker than two. Of two men equally swift on the draw, the man without a trigger had the shade of advantage over the man with the trigger. Frequently, the fraction of a second meant the difference

between life and death. That is a rich text. Good lord. we love it steve's book club you know that's all the parts that one needs to know about that whole book there's one part that randall needs to know about that i didn't tell him about i'll tell him about later i think i texted you a picture of it you did uh randall had heartbreaking news today. We were all set to talk about an 81-year-old serial slingshot shooter

being arrested in California. Had been suspected for a decade of firing a slingshot through neighbor windows. They knew there was a slingshot. The cops sent in an investigative team that staked out the place of a suspect and they actually caught him in the act

of firing his slingshot around the neighborhood. Prince Raymond King, 81. They searched his home. A slingshot and ball bearings were found on his property. Brody pointed out that in Cal, here's why he was in such big trouble. In California, you're not allowed to have a slingshot capable of shooting metal.

Which, okay. Randall suggested that you need to install a strong magnet into the pouch so that metal projectiles are not allowed to leave. The only way I can think you could have a California-compliant slingshot. In California, you cannot have a blowgun, and they don't explain it. I looked up the statute. They don't explain it.

If you look at the statute, if your kid puts a spit wad in a straw, he's in violation. You cannot have a blow gun. Well, I've done that in the state of California before. Man, I would love to have heard an interview with this guy. It's too bad he died. I wanted to. Randall reported. Tell him, Randall.

Well, I wanted to get a look at the guy and just, he's got an interesting name. Prince Raymond King. Obviously an interesting hobby and uh wanted to get a look at the guys so i googled him it turned out that he passed a few days after getting arrested or if it was related natural they said natural causes so it was related to cardiovascular disease but uh yeah uh they surveilled his home He was observed exiting the residence and using the slingshot while we were watching. One neighbor showed his local TV station, KABC-TV, in Azusa, California. Evidence.

Two plastic bags of pellets collected from a yard over the years. I think it's like one of those Jeffrey Epstein situations. He didn't want to face the music? I don't think. Or maybe there's more to it. I think there's more to it. What are the odds that he would die in the middle of all this? I think it's a cover up.

I want to know, and we would never will know one of the many secrets taken to this man's grave, how good he was with the slingshot, a decade of terrorizing the neighborhood. I was thinking it was kind of, it might be one of those scenarios where he, you know, people always have things that they love to do, but until they retire, they don't have time to get really good at them, like golf. And I wonder if this guy lived a long, very productive life, and in the back of his mind,

he was like, you know, when I was a kid, I never got as good of a slingshot as I wanted to. Like a minute ago, I was talking about what I'm going to do when I retire. He's like, you know what I'm going to do? Yeah. I'm going to shoot the slingshot all over this neighborhood.

I'm going gonna finally have all the time in the world yeah yeah i just want to wake up and shoot my slingshot over at the neighbors yeah i mean he must have had some sort of a little bit of a vendetta well that's it yeah my favorite quote from one of the articles was that you know there's no this was a widely reported there's no motive we're able to determine other than malicious mischief. Yeah, like, I think the guy, like, never grew up. You know what gets me out of bed? He was like a 12-year-old out raising hell, you know,

when you're, like, TPing your neighbors. Like, was it that, or was he some kind of malcontent that hated his neighbors? I think someone should look into the neighbors. Why is it that without the full story... Like, when I hear a story i always think this what's the other side of the story anytime someone's talking about someone like a divorce right yeah oh he did this he did that in the back of my head start that the other back of my head

i'm always like i just wonder what he would say or she, depending on what side I'm hearing. Maybe he's got a child's mind, you know, like everybody's been out there just arcing shots into the sky. Right. And it's not that you want that, uh,

ball bearing to end up in somebody's window or something like that. It's just that you never thought that far ahead. It's real fun to break glass with a slingshot. Or you're shooting a perfectly safe target in your own yard. And you think to yourself, I wonder if I can hit that window over there. Or he's always lived in that area and it wasn't developed.

And he's always been shooting. Yeah. Yeah. And then slowly suburban sprawl has closed in around him. And he hasn't changed. He's the only thing that hasn't changed yeah right which unfortunately like an old no gun like an old gunslinger somebody somebody was supplying this guy with his pellets they ought to talk to that person yeah or

i'd like to find out about what has anyone looked into what the neighbors were doing to him yeah i guess we'll never know they could have been bull. I guess we'll never know. They could have been bullies. I guess we'll never know. It's like this whole back and forth between Justice Scalia's wife and those neighbors. The flag situation. She's got a flag for every occasion. Listen, she does.

But as you dig into that story, you start to realize that that was a hot little, a lot of heat in that neighborhood. A neighbor feud. Wasn't just like a rant. It was a long a lot of heat in that neighborhood. A lot of provocation. So with this gentleman with the slingshot,

like until someone wants to get in there and do some real reporting about what was going on in that neighborhood, I'm not gonna cast the first stone. Can we send Spencer down there? I'm not gonna cast the first stone can we uh send spencer down there i'm not gonna cast the first ball bearing wonder what gauge ball bearings he was shooting when we were kids we uh this last thing i'll say about the slingshot deal we're kids we hit on this idea that uh we want to take so we had a buddy davey cole whose dad worked at sealed power that made

ball bearings he worked at a ball bearing plant so we had amazing ball like something out of looney tunes yeah great ball bearings like shooting marbles on your kid and like you had steelies and marbles like davy cole would show up with steelies like like like the size of a scrotum he would uh, we had all these ball bearings. You had all the ball bearings you could ever want. And we hit on this idea that it didn't work, but it's brilliant. It'd be like, we would take a wad of ball bearings

and wrap them in masking tape. Shotgun wad? Thinking it. The thinking being that you could, like like catch your body next to a tree or like let's say you had a squirrel yeah we thought well flop you'd hit the you know this ball of ball bearings would hit with such velocity it was a cluster bomb would hit with such velocity that the ball bearings would scatter in a deathly you know yeah it kills us good thinking we should have brought in eddie corona i feel like he's a slingshot enthusiast

yeah is he still after he had a plan to hunt turkeys he like slingshots are illegal method are an illegal method to take where he lives in arizona but the tribes have their own game laws so his plan was to take this slingshot turkey quest to tribal land where he could hunt unfettered by arbitrary prohibitions on slingshot harvest. Did you suggest your multi-bar ball bearing load to him? Yeah, he might. He's got to wait for the turkey to be next to a tree.

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Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. Cal, you want to plug Houndations? Oh, also Tony P's here remotely. I can't hear a thing he's saying. I haven't said anything yet. Oh, that's why. But I do want to say something. It's amazing that you just used scrotum as a unit of measurement in that story.

And everybody just let it go. Well, I've been chewing on it. Was it scrotum or testicle? Yeah, was it the size of the ball bearing or the size of the pouch that held the ball bearing? What did I say? That's not what I said was that size. You said a ball bearing was, oh, the bag was the size of the bag. No, he could get giant ball bearings from.

Right, well, that's what I said. Go on, go on. You know. Okay, I'll play this game. He could get ball bearings the size of an enlarged. Yes. Of a testicle you'd want to have checked out. Yep.

Yep. That big. Or the size of a scrotum from someone in very cold water. About that big. About that size, yeah. i got a clear picture now he could have said plum yeah okay racket dried plum i don't know what kind of plum sun made prune foundations yeah sorry I had another high school story pop into my mind there

that we don't need to go into I need to check with a few folks before I reveal that one yeah so Tony Peterson and I are teaming up for some new content on the Cal's weekend review feed called

houndations. Who came up with that word? That's a good one. Tony, you came up with that, Tony. I did. And it has given me low grade anxiety since

I pitched it to people that people won't know what it means. Well, it's such a dad joke thing. And I, I just, I know I just said it. Found foundations on wired to hunt so and houses have foundations but that that's where that came from is the wired to hunt foundations and i kind of just

randomly said it to corinne and it stuck. And ever since then, I've been like, oh, that sounds so stupid. But it just seems to be working. I don't think it's stupid at all. And I don't, like, there's certain things, like the dad, like, all of a sudden, someone comes up with the term dad joke, and it's like, sometimes people create a word

for a thing that they don't need to. Remember, like, the whole Karen craze, calling people Karens and all that, and then all of a sudden everything's like Karen, Karen, Karen, Karen. Or toxic. Oh yeah. And all of a sudden like he's a toxic person. Like everything became toxic.

I feel like woke is there right now. Yeah, dad joke is gobbling up like, how is it gobbling up. Like, how is it gobbling up a play on words? It's a great, it's a good line, foundations. Yeah, love it. See?

Reminds me of foundations. Yeah, what? I don't know about you. Coincidentally. So fans of the Snort Report, which I know there's many of you out there. The Snort Report is very inconsistent, but we cover some dog training and some dog happenings and kind of what's going on during the bird seasons or the training seasons. seasons and uh yeah so tony's jumping in to uh provide a more firm and solid foundation to that snort report through houndations and we're building from there is that accurate and fun and cool it's pretty close buddy i mean it the the idea behind it you know if anybody here

has listened to the wire to hunt foundations it, it's kind of just going beyond typical deer hunting advice. And so we thought, man, we need a presence in the dog world where we do that too. And so it's more than just like how to train a dog to heal, you know, the kind of typical dog advice you'd expect to get. It goes way beyond that to the history of dogs and, you know, veterinarian realities and, you know, current canine research and all kinds of stuff that just plays into the world of dogs beyond just like, you know, buy a lab because you like to duck hunt or whatever. And they're the best dog.

So, yeah. They're way up there, buddy. Yeah. So when, when will it happen? Like when does theations become official? July. Yeah, we're going to start this in July

once every other week on Cal's podcast feed and go from there. And of course we want to know what people think of it, so email us. And what you want to hear. Yeah. Okay, a lot of Hound content for people think of it. So, so email us. And what you want to hear. And listen. Yeah. Okay.

A lot of hound content for chasing bobcats and mountain lions. That's what I'd like to hear. Tony. That's what you want, Yanni? Yeah. You know, there's, there is an amazing demand for hound content, actually.

It's pretty, that's a pretty wild subset of dog owners out there. Yeah. I mean, you know, that's a pretty wild subset of dog owners out there. Yeah. I mean, you, you know, you got, uh, old Yeller. That left a real vacuum. That left a real content vacuum. Yeah.

Step it in where red, where the red fringes left off. Well, to go, uh, go to the pound and turn, how to turn any pound puppy into a cent pound. Yeah. How's that? I'm trying to think of a play on words for that. Trail blood.

From pound to. Oh, don't make another dad joke, Steve. Pound to death. From pound to hound. Not long ago, we recorded an episode. We recorded our otter attack episode, where we had the otter attack victims in. And we recorded that in the Meat Eater flagship store in downtown Bozeman, Montana.

And two things came up there. One, we were joking about there's a buffalo skull hanging on the wall there that used to hang in the studio here. And it was the one we did this project 18 months, I don't know what the hell, Two years ago, we did this project where we skinned a buffalo all with stone tools. Clovis period tools. Clovis points, stone flakes. And we ended up with that skull and it has a bullet hole in its forehead. And I made a joke about come on down to the store and take a picture of yourself with your finger in that bullet hole. So people have been sending in some nice

pictures of them standing there with their finger in the bullet hole. And we're going to start a little board where you get your picture and they'll put the picture on the board. You and the bullet with your finger in the bullet hole. And we also said we should start an essay contest. Yeah, speaking of hunting dogs. Yeah, because Ben Long wrote in what was his take oh

ben long the writer ben long oh i forgot his note yeah well he no he didn't write in about christy no he wrote in about auction he wrote in a thing about auction tags right it was some it was just an anonymous listener who wrote in being upset about it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A guy said that he was, so we lost, you know, one for sure, probably a bunch. A bunch. Over Kristi Noem's dog. Oh, like, why I was to blame for that.

They thought you were callous. That was the overwhelming gist of a number of the comments that I've read. You displayed a certain amount of excitement over the topic. Tickled was a word that came to mind. I had just found out about it.

I had just found out about it ten minutes before. And I was devil's advocating. Mm-hmm. And you did so very effectively so hot on that hot on that subject um ben long wrote in a piece wrote in a short comment about governor's tags and it was a very well articulated like an argument against governor's tags and i said we should have an essay we should start an essay contest about controversial ideas that is a brilliant idea and and and we said keep it 200 words or less

and the first essay contest is about christy gnome and her dog thank you to everyone who wrote in we received so many how many a hundred not that many but a number of dozen and a number of people went over the the text limit immediate disqualification did you disqualify if they were over the text limit uh yes okay i'm to start with one. Then other people can grab them to read. I think it's appropriate that I start with an anti. Kristi Noem. What are you doing, Karim?

Why'd you make it blue? I realized that actually this one might be over 200 words. It's fine. So I might have just undermined myself. But anyway, okay. Kristi Noem should be disqualified from vice presidential candidacy. That was right. Because she was widely, had been, had been being a lot of speculation among political analysts that she was on a very short list of potential vp candidates uh doug bergham

from uh north dakota yep who i like christy noem from south dakota who else is on that list rubio marco rubio um there's like three or four more yepy back back to the article the the the thing christy known should be disqualified from vice presidential candidacy though not specifically because she euthanized her dog with a firearm this is a very nuanced argument they go on. the story where the determination was made to end the life of an animal that had proven to jeopardize the best interests of the family farm the account appears to have been intended to curry favor with a sub-segment of the population though she was unwilling or unable to look beyond this end to the broader consequences consequences that would inevitably result. Let's extrapolate this thought process to a presidential decision

to eliminate a foreign actor who poses an imminent terroristic threat to U.S. citizens. While many would support this action as morally justified, a braggadocious recounting of the story simply to invigorate the base would likely result in an antithetical moral outcry, the revelation of tactics, and the presence of military assets on foreign soils. Some things are better left unsaid a concept that gnome has failed to grasp chad jenkins phd dr chad jenkins he goes like randall i'm qualified to comment

from nebraska appreciate that chad thank you remember when obama said we got him like how's that any different? Remember when he said that he did a lot of blow? No, I'm just saying. So, I did, that's a quote. No, I did a bit of blow. Right. I did a bit of blow, meaning I fueled.

Study sessions? Death squad. blow um meaning i fueled uh i fueled study sessions death squad i fueled oh i i i employed i funded south american death squads or i i put down a dog that was biting people. No, I'm saying this guy here is saying this is equivalent to like a president saying they got. I'm off onto a different idea right now. I'm talking about people's like, I'm talking about this idea that like, well, that disqualifies her from office. Hold on a minute. Before you say that, were you supportive of a president that did a little blow i think i don't think anybody's really that upset that she euthanized i mean are we are we debating the the issues or are we judging the essays judging the essays yeah i'm off on a different subject yes my note my this is my note i just

read an anti i just read she's yeah because she because he this guy's saying there's things you got to do yeah there's some dirty things you need to do in this life just keep it down keep it quiet yeah don't be talking about it well yeah and don't talk about it in a braggadocious way and he's saying now she's gonna get everyone uh they got the isis leader and trump's like he died like a dog you know and all that he's saying he doesn't like that kind of stuff yeah yeah yeah by or uh obama ladies and gentlemen we got him yeah um but his this is gnome's political autobiography i get it i just think obama's political autobiography he says so i did some blow right right it's a place where you know yeah she made like like blow

anyways i got to read a pro just like you said i'll read a pro. This is a good one. But I got a political mailing the other day that just like how you extrapolate like, oh, I did a little blow to being like, you go like, oh, if you're anti-open pit copper sulfide mine in the boundary waters, then you are pro-child labor in the death pits of... I thought you were going to say, you hate pennies. Okay, pro. The revelation by South Dakota Governor Chris Noem in her memoir, No Going Back, about shooting her misbehaving dog has sparked controversy. Noem described the dog Cricket as aggressive and dangerous, claiming that the animal posed a threat to her children and neighbors' livestock.

She justified her actions by emphasizing the need to make tough decisions in the interest of safety and responsibility, particularly in a rural and agricultural setting where such choices are not uncommon. While troubling to many, this incident does not inherently disqualify Nome from holding or seeking high office. Leadership often involves making difficult, sometimes unpopular decisions. Nome's actions reflect a commitment to confronting harsh realities, a trait crucial in governance in rural settings. Managing animal behavior is a serious concern, and her experience might resonate with certain constituents. Noam's decisiveness and willingness to handle difficult situations are qualities valued in political leaders. These traits can be beneficial in high stakes political roles.

Voters and peers will ultimately consider this incident alongside her broader record and values. While some may view it negatively, others might see it as evidence of her dedication to protecting her family and fulfilling the practical demands of rural life.

Thanks, Gunnar. There's our winner right there. There's no way that's 200 words. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I guess I didn't. Gunner. There's our winner right there. Very well. There's no way that's 200 words. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. I guess I didn't. Gunner. Notice his name.

Gunner. So I think the. Dog. It was 199, Cal. Oh, no way. I mean, that guy wins just for doing that. Yeah, no kidding. Okay, who wants another anti?

You know what? We're not going to comment on that one? It's brilliant. I think it's the winner. Brilliant. I think it leaves out a lot of relevant evidence. He's only got 200 words. I mean, he could have sent in bullet points, but that's no good. Randall, you go ahead.

This anti. Steve's view that killing a dog shouldn't prohibit someone from elective office is reductionist. While killing a dog should not statutorily prohibit a person from political office, it is an action at the end of a series of actions that should cause voters significant pause as it was a deliberate killing of convenience rather than a killing for justice or safety. Noem did not adequately train the dog. She then put the dog in a situation where failure was all but guaranteed, she killed it, and then she patted herself on the back for, quote, making the hard decisions. This tells me, as a voter, that she will not do the hard work of planning and preparation before entering a difficult situation when that situation goes predictably bad she will not look inward to see where she could have improved rather she violently cuts her losses without any creative problem

solving she expended no personal or social energy to find a non-violent solution to a problem parentheses find a new use home or shelter let it bite someone else's kids it never been a kid or anyone and then justify her to tried once and then justified her actions to appeal to rural sympathetic voters killing the dog was not quote the hard decision i expect from my leaders unless they have exhausted all other options and love the podcast. Keep up the great work, Riley. And that is, that's a short one.

And it's a much, much better argument than the first anti-essay in my opinion. Um, I, I like Riley's point because yeah, I mean, there's no question. What's the, what's the harder decision is working with the dog to make it a good dog. Yeah. This argument that it was expedient.

Yeah. Yeah. Moving on. Okay. The last pro don't make me do it. This last pro was like backwards, though. Okay, then there's some pros. I'll do another one.

It's fun. I'll do a real short pro. Can I do this pro in the right character? No offense, Chandler. Oh, I'm dying to see what the character is. No offense, dude. Gone are the days of the traditional American rural ethos embedded in the heartland of this

country. The urbanization and loss of that cultural heritage is felt daily, even in South Dakota. A majority of Americans simply no longer have a tie to the rural roots that helped conquer the West. And the life and death on the farm is now just a callback to a bygone era. Politicians are elected for their ability to connect with the majority it is a sizable portion of a politician's job to understand their future constituents south dakota governor gnome knows or should have known that times have changed the majority has changed and her constituents have changed does shooting a

dog cause a person to be unfit for office? Does shooting a problem dog? Oh, pardon me. Pardon me. Jeez, Randall. I'm too caught up in his character. I'm rolling. Yeah. I was, I was trying to, I was reading ahead, trying to figure out when I'd pound my fist next. Does shooting a problem dog cause a person to be unfit for office as vice president? Not at all. In fact, I would prefer a vice president that had that ability, but unfortunately sharing that information in today's political climate or the Not at all. In fact, I would prefer a vice president that had that ability. But unfortunately, sharing that information in today's political climate or the failure to recognize that the likely consequences of sharing that information is a different issue altogether, which could reveal the potential competency of a politician.

More troubling, however, this story and its subsequent backlash further proves today's reality. Gone are the days, dot, dot, dot. Lubbock, Texas. Now, here's where your little thing fell apart. What's that? You tried to start out like it was like thuggish. And then the language, you notice how you fell out of character for a minute? No.

Yeah. The language trumped the character. You notice how you fell out of character for a minute? No. Yeah. Well, I did when you were up. I think he's lamenting. The language trumped the character. Yeah, but this one's weird, though, too, because it's like. I could have done it. Oh, society's changed. Governor Noem's ideals here are not with the current times. Yeah.

But somehow this is a pro argument. Yeah, you know why? It's like you guys yeah here's what's going on right here's what's going on up here what's that just just the reality we're all in here's what's going on this guy's down here yeah well i thought he's working down here that that second to last the way the change that second to last sentence really fits in better in the uh the first anti argument the failure to recognize the likely consequences of sharing that information could reveal the political competency of the potential competency of a politician

i'll read another anti i like the line. I would prefer a vice president that had that ability. Period. I'm like to what degree? Like this occasional, uh, situation that governor Noem describes or like every Sunday you leave the white house and you go down to the local kill shelter and you volunteer. Like, where are we on the spectrum? Here's one out of Brooklyn, New York. I'll read this because I got a shirt from a bookstore in Brooklyn, New York.

So I'm in character. It says books are magic. A coastal elite. Is that from The Strand? I don't know. You know what, honestly? My agent sent it to me, and I have no idea where it came from. Okay.

He brought it to me. He brought it to me. I don't know. I never found out. I just liked it where it came from. He brought it to me. I don't know. I never found out. I just liked it. Books are magic. Especially Vicaro the Brush. On a recent Meat Eater podcast, Steve

suggested that by dispatching her recalcitrant bird dog with a bullet to the brain that's a little graphic. Governor Noem has demonstrated that she has what it takes to make the hard decisions on the world stage however i could swear i heard the ebullient am i saying that right the ebullient ryan callahan say in the background she gave up on that dog i better look at the definition of ebullient. Excited. Yeah, like enthusiastic.

I'm with Cal. Just as training a good field dog requires patience and hard work, especially in the face of repeated failures, so too does governing. Perseverance when crafting domestic policy or pursuing international diplomacy frequently yields better outcomes than a trip to the sand pit. Wasn't it a gravel pit? It was a gravel pit. Get your facts straight, Brooklyn, New York.

Sand pit. Wasn't a sand pit. You know, he goes into such detail about bullet placement and then has her in the wrong a sand pit. You know, he goes into such detail about bullet placement and then has her in the wrong kind of pit. Really focusing on the important stuff here. Keep reading, Steve. That's the end.

He didn't need no 200 words. Yeah. He's like 200 schmundred. I'll do it in 75. Short and sweet. There's a Lincoln quote. Sorry. I think it's Lincoln

apologies for the long letter I didn't have time to write a short one mm-hmm this was a fun exercise yeah and I apologize we do anymore we don't if I read that last one out of you I read it and maybe it should have been more wistful. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't angry. Yeah, it was more lamenting. He wasn't like, if the kids are going to hunt, I'm going to hunt. I've always wanted to pound the table. I apologize, Chandler. I bet she wished she wouldn't have put that story in the book.

Doesn't matter pro or anti. I bet she wishes she hadn't have done that. I don't know. She ain't on the VP list no more, man. I don't know. We'll do more essay contests. I would love. She's not going to.

There's no way. She probably doesn't want to talk about it anymore, but I would love if she did a call and told us. And are they saying that's the reason that she's not on the list anymore? One of them. Yeah. President Trump said his only comment on it, I think, was that she had had a rough week. But boy, her teeth look nice.

And she's got a better dog now. Somebody else trained her. Hey, man. Onward. Hey, man, maybe I'm, call me old-fashioned but, um, you know, call me old fashioned, but I think women should have a, uh, have a, have a role. I think they should have a role in, in, in national politics. I don't know why there has to be a glass ceiling at the presidency, you know, as long as they

don't make more. That's fine. Noble stance. Yeah. So I think that holding up, that taking like, having this like attack dog, this attack dog metaphor intended.

This attack dog mentality toward powerful women. I went back and re-read this passage. Well, she's heartless. Just so that I knew what we were talking about My favorite part about it hasn't Even made it into the headlines which is She said that she didn't have enough kennels For all the dogs to drive home

From the field so she said I kenneled all the good Dogs and let the other one sit loose In the back cricket she put it loose In the back of the truck In hopes that a sharp turn on the highway would do my job for me. And that's

why Cricket got the chicken because she pulled up to the neighbor's house with a dog loose in the back of her truck and the dog jumped on the chicken. That's the thing. The whole biting incident just gave her the green light to do for her to do what she already really wanted to do. Yeah, she said, I hated that dog. It was looking at me and it was pure evil in its eyes

and I put it in the back of the truck to hopes it just flew out and I wouldn't have to do the hard thing. A true dog person. If you talk to your neighbor and he's like, I had to put down a bad dog, it was biting me, you'd be like, man, that's awful, I get it.

If you talk to your neighbor and he's like, I put the thing in the back and I was just ripping down the road, making sharp turns, hoping that it just fell out. You'd think my neighbor's kind of a... I would love some expert dog trainer insight, Tony, on this to see if you believe that this dog, you know, I mean, I don't know, but what's your take? Maybe you should do a whole Houndations episode. Yeah.

What's your take, Tony? I'll tell you some more of my take in a minute i think first off when you're saying that you have a it was a wire hair right german wire hair if you have a wire hair and you could see pure evil in its eyes i don't know man like i think you could go get a lot of wire hairs and not see evil in their eyes. I think she made a pretty classic mistake that a lot of people do where she got a kind of dog breed she thought was cool. You know, like, oh, I like the ones with the beards and probably didn't even consider how high drive that dog would be and what that dog would need from her. And so when you look at it and go, all right, you picked a dog that's, you know know coming from germany it's going to be a bird dog it's going to be a fur dog it's going to be a blood tracking dog like they've got that long history and you don't work with that and acknowledge

it you might get some problems like i i think i think she made a big mistake right off the bat and then i agree with cal like i think she just gave up too early my heart cries out to all the millions of dogs the humane society puts down every year why is that no i was throwing that in there i don't know i hadn't really thought it through but i'll say this i will disagree with you i'll say this and this is only just occurring to me right now i think that if a man i think if mitt romney if mitt romney had a political autobiography was there a pause there and salute to mitt no just making a tap and slightly sorry i'm thinking of mitch o'connell i think had mitt romney said this in a political not that he would have been in this situation

but let's just say Mitt Romney had said this in a political autobiography I think the outcry would be different I think that she is subject to a certain bit of sexism point being no let me finish my point what really makes

if you look at like scand like africa safari scandals you know what they really hate like an attractive woman on a safari in africa i don't disagree with you they it just like it like it brings out a level of hatred and in vehemence um unparalleled it takes on like a real it takes on like a malicious kind of i i like because it's a family show i'm not using the words that i would use yeah right it's like a like they kind of like i kind of want to kill her but i kind of want you know what i mean yep oh yeah we've seen now over and over and over like this incident is so it's like really viewed through the lens of like and a woman did that. They're supposed to be coddling

and non-violent. Mitt got dragged to that. What kind of woman are we talking about? Mitt caught a lot of hell for strapping the dog candle on the roof of the car and driving down the road. Remember that story? I don't.

Kind of my final word on the dog it's like a final word on a dog thing like any dog owner any dog owner is when they say like oh my god that dog's embarrassing what they mean is that dog is a direct reflection of me. And that direct reflection is embarrassing. I am embarrassed because of the amount of work that I've put in and how it's being or not. I've seen, I've seen firsthand. I've seen this where I I've seen you're,

you're articulating something I hadn't thought about, but in explaining the attitude of the owner in this situation, it can only be what you're saying. They're not mad at the dog. No no embarrassed they're embarrassed right to their core to their core this is really shaking me up here go on I've seen this. Absolutely. I didn't put my finger on it, but I saw it. That is. That's right. That's right. So if you're an aide somewhere.

That's just the end of your thing. I thought you were going. Well, that was it. Maybe a dog owner would get that. What else we got? Phil, we need that sound effect where the typewriter thing goes hey folks exciting news for those who live or hunt

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slash meet welcome to the OnX club y'all I just got back from Louisiana. We were down there in Louisiana. Did a number of activities, including went out and spearfished on the oil rigs. Went out with a shrimper. You know, a commercial shrimper. That's going to be exciting.

For an evening. How enlightening was that? Oh, I bet mega. Unbelievable. Did you ask him the hard questions? I asked a lot of questions. About what his net is doing to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah, he does, but it's like they run with skimmer.

It's like a shallow water deal. But yeah, we talked about bycatch. There's plenty of bycatch. Is it going to change your. Much of which they eat. Huh? Is it going to change or inform any of your shrimping activities up at the. No, totally different.

Yeah. Because they're running a skimmer. They only, the boat I was on shrimps in very shallow water. And it's a skimmer, but it does, it does drag the bottom. And it's all brown shrimp. Right. Browns and whites. Fascinating.

It also went out doing this. I can tell you this is controversial. Bowfish and redfish. There's not many chances in this world to bowfish really good eating fish. So for all you Louisiana, uh, fly anglers down there being like, geez, this was slow this week.

Steve was down there. That whole thing. Like it's like the controversy. There was in the bag. You got the bag. You still got the same bag. Exactly. It's like people that get irritated by

spearfish and walleye in Michigan. It's like the limits are the same. Well, and I would invite you to go, if you could find some stats on harvest statistics and find out how many are coming by bow fishermen, it's just. Right. Well, like on.

Listen, I went. You don't know. Do you get any sheep? If you're catching and releasing and trying to find fish that you want a suitable size for your, your bag limit, if you are taking fish home that day, odds are you killed more fish than you were allowed to take home. If you're doing a decent amount of catching and release angling. Unintentional mortality. Right. So like the spearfishing, bowfishing,

provided those things don't get off the, the flopper, you're, you're only taking exactly what you shot at. Yeah. You're going to give up on the rod and reel altogether pretty soon. Spears, bows. No, I liked it quite a bit.

We had a good time. But the main thing i liked was this uh we were with uh um midnight blue so we were supposed to go sword fishing with just friends but the weather was no good for sword fishing so we're kind of scrambling for stuff to do and our my buddy down there knew these guys midnight blue outfitters so we went out with midnight we just said like shit we can't go sword fishing let's figure out something to do and like literally right down the road was this cajun family and we went over there and you go over there and they cooked you this huge spread all kind of shrimp dishes um flounder oysters.

Cause you don't go out until dark. What the hell of a time they all kinds of Cajun food, big flat bottom boats with the light system and all that low lights he had tripped, he had triple, uh, triple go devil, they weren't go devils bad, like, you know, like triple. No, man, we had a great time. Uh, and ate all that awesome cajun food and we were down we were down west of where we're doing our meteor experiences our first meteor experiences trip in october which is over in venice how far over were you i'd have to look at a map what's's Grand Isle from Venice? I don't know.

It's because it's a hell of a ride by a car and not so bad by a boat. Not really. Same zone. It's just kind of like you're either west of or East of the West or East, like West side or East side of the river. I see. Yeah. So you were still staying in grand aisle.

Like when you guys would come, we weren't even in, we were staying in on a boat. We're staying in port Fushan on a boat, but which is near grand aisle, but we were just staying on the water we're basically staying in the middle of oil field services like all oil field services infrastructure i think it's great how all across our country you always like in my mind i always thought about how all the wild places that are left are in these remote places in the mountains but the more i explore our country

like the coasts almost have more of it yeah it was incredible man um and you were getting into like netting and all that i don't want to get into a bunch of relatives like well the you know was it like earlier i was doing like this kind of like goofy thing like okay uh one political autobiography says i did a little blow. Another political autobiography says I euthanized a dog and trying to do like moral equivalencies. Um, if you're going to talk about the Gulf,

okay. You're gonna talk about the mouth of the Mississippi and the Gulf. And we're going to talk about what did you ask him? What his net does to the bottom of the bed? Well, how about we talk about what channelization and levy systems and oil extraction and hog farming and agricultural runoff have done to the gulf saltwater intrusion i'm like yes the shrimp net drags along the bottom of a gulf they are in a they are in increasingly a they are in increasingly a man-made environment it's like you're he's shrimping in an oil field so to go like well what are you doing to the gulp it's like buddy

you want to talk about the gulp in the delta bigger problem i mean come on you know i mean so no i didn't bust his balls a whole bunch about that uh this guy's family's been there for four generations doing oysters and shrimp the destruction that's happened to those oyster beds and the destructions that's happened to that ecosystem ain't from him bouncing a chain along the bottom i mean is it uh in some way additive like whatever degradation you get on the floor from from from having what they call a tickle chain going along the bottom of your shrimp net but i mean come on man you know it's a way different situation well i just think like in north carolina it really affects the affects the sports people sure right undoubtedly and i had guys and like this guy's not

i mean this guy was in no way an apologist for stuff. And I had other guys like, in fact, this guy's own kid. Basically said flounder fishing used to be a lot better. But the shrimp guys can sell flounder. Me and my wife ate two of them last night. Sounds wonderful. The shrimp guys can sell the flounder they get. Which led to this. Someone explained, just in full transparency,

like honoring what you asked me. They can sell flounder as bycatch. Who's to say where I go? Someone told me there's a little bit of that that goes on. It's a problematic incentive. Yeah. Be like, well, I can sell them as bycatch who's to say i can't go up and check for shrimp up where the spawner is spawning right yeah stuff like that

sure uh oddly the by he doesn't like to go in the daytime but we went out in the evening and we're like let's check it out while it's still light out the the the shrimp to bycatch ratio was astronomically higher hmm uh daytime the shrimp are down in the silt the shrimp go down into the silt i didn't know this they come up at night oh interesting shrimp are a mystery to me These guys are getting so boned. We did a whole podcast with the guy. What am I talking about this for? Next.

Ching. Yeah, I forgot. Stay tuned. No, I forgot. How did I forget this? No, this comes after that. We recorded a whole podcast with the shrimper. When is that coming out?

Before this. That already happened but this is the area like this is my new found love i'm gonna say this so for real when i get old and die i'm not gonna do that or get old and retire i'm not gonna do that thing where i read books so you don't have to what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna hang out at fish shack north fish shack south fish shack north i already have fish shack south i don't have yet but when i get it i'm gonna buy the the nastiest thing i can find to shrimp all day down and oh it'll be a houseboat you gotta have a houseboat i might get a shack on stilts i don't know yet i might park a fifth wheel on a lot and have a connex container that i bolt to the ground

and when hurricanes come back i pay someone to get my boat in my fifth wheel and split idea either way fish shack south is to be that Port Fouchon, Bayou Lafourche, Grand Isle vicinity. Venice, maybe. That, I think, like... Oh, the real estate values are going up right now. Since you mentioned Venice. They just got wiped out by a hurricane and a lot of value was lost down there. There was places selling, after that hurricane, there was places selling basically two-thirds reduction in value because it just gets wiped off the face of the earth.

So either way, that's where that, let me just say that. South Louisiana is where my Fish Shack 2 plan is going to take place. It is just... When I got home, I once again bored my wife to death telling her about all my South Louisiana adventures. Love that place. I meant to bring down boudin and fry it right here in the studio,

but I'll do it next week. Yes, please. If you want to see what Steve's all excited about. That's what I'm leading to because this whole love affair with that area and like, you know, we went out with Midnight Blue Outfitters down there. I never met those guys before. There's a bunch of guides down there. There's a couple of marinas in Venice.

The marinas are already there. There's already guides there in Venice. But we're doing a thing in Jan. No, October. already guides there in venice but we're doing a thing in jan no october we're doing a thing in october where i became friends with the guy that owns cypress cove marina and so we're going down in october we've lined up we've lined up all the guides for everybody and we're doing like this thing called meat eater experiences where people could come down and we'll have a bunch of our guys down there i'll be down there yanni be down there cal you're going down yes sir yeah tony is going down tony peterson's going down everybody and record some podcasts we have hot all the housing and we have all the guides lined up

we're going to eat cajun food every night and you come down you can get a ticket or like do a booking for lodging all the guiding all the meals and it's a big hoopla big hoorah we're basically just going to fish our asses off and eat boudin yeah if you're interested go to the meteor website and uh click on the experiences. You'll get all the details. We also have... Dude, I love that area, man. We also have very quickly some spots still left. Not many, but there's a few left

for the waterfowl experience which there's a trip in October. November. You're doing January. Cal is doing one in November. Towards the end of November, yeah. I'm doing one with Brent Reeves

over New Year's. Really? You get to go with Brent? Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. I didn't know, but he's a waterfowl hunting fool. He used to be a guide. Yeah. If you don't have much to do or if you're like, man, I need a better thing to do for New Year's than sit around watching the ball drop on the television, you should come and join Brent and I in Kansas and shoot some ducks and geese.

It's going to be a blast. That'd be a good trip. Cleaning birds, packaging birds, hunting birds. You get three days of hunting because you can travel with a three-day limit. Soibly i don't know if this happened feasibly you could get your limit bring all your limits home all cleaned up ready to go hopefully we'll eat a few while we're there eat a few while we're there yanni what was up with your goulds turkey hunt man was it fun oh yeah a lot of fun a lot of fun but uh different you know it's, uh, different, you know, it's, uh, hunting, uh, turkeys in basically, uh, what I would, what I know as Coos country, Coos deer country, rocky,

uh, um, pokey country, you know, uh, loose rocks, rattlesnakes. It's just not where, you know, I'm used to hunting turkeys in. Right. So it was, it was way different, but, uh, loose rocks, rattlesnakes. It's just not where, you know, I'm used to hunting turkeys in. Right. So it was way different, but, uh, yeah, overall awesome hunt. Uh, they don't, they only give about 80 tags out to the, for the whole state. So, um, I was one of the, you know, lucky few to, to grab one. You and I have been applying for the same amount of years now. It's been, I don't know, a dozen, 13 years. Yeah, and you get two points a year. So I got lucky.

Drew won. Did you guys get two points because you guys have done the Arizona... No, it's because of how they do it. There's basically, you can apply for a turkey tag in the fall, which means you can buy it. Wait, were you in Arizona or New Mexico? Arizona. Arizona. Wait, were you in Arizona or New Mexico? Arizona. Arizona.

Yeah. Yeah, what else was there? You became a world slam. Royal, I think. No, super. Super? You became a super slam holder. I'm a two-time super slam holder.

Did you know that about me, Randall? Did not. Hold on. What's the regular... What's the slam with only... With just the four that are... There's like Grand Slam. There's some other not. What's the regular, what's the slam with only, with just the four that are. There's like Grand Slam.

There's some other slam. What do you need to achieve a World Slam or whatever? Is there a step up? You have to get a turkey that's not a turkey. Yeah, the Oscillated down in Central America. So I'm a super slam, two-time super slam holder. Okay. So I don't know my turkey slams by name, but yes, that made it so that that was my fifth turkey subspecies

that I killed, which, you know, whatever. In the end, you know, yes. Are they, do they seem a little bit bigger and taller like they say they are? Yes. Was the gobble somehow deeper and longer? I don't know. It kind of sounded like a gobble to me. In the end, were they just turkeys in different habitat?

Yeah, that's what it came down to. Were they unpressured turkeys for the most part? Yes, but I can tell you, after two and a half days of some yawning pressure, some of those birds started to get a little wiser. I love that. I had a morning pull on where I was, it ended up being the same birds,

I think, that I'd hunted one morning and then they moved a canyon over and I got onto them pretty much at first light. Not quite, I didn't get to their tree by the time they flew down, but I was right on them. And I called the gobbler in, he saw my decoy and just clammed up

and went back to the flock. And then for the next hour i made every sound that my turkey vest could produce along with any sound that my vocal cords produce and they would not shot gobble back at me for nothing wow yeah that's cool yeah like full-on just like took me we're like like, take that. You little thinking you're bad-ass turkey hunter, dude. Luckily there. Yeah. You can just kind of move around to a different zone and you'll eventually find somebody that's

going to play. So I think, I don't know. I probably called in, I don't know, maybe eight, nine birds in three days. Jeez. Yeah. It was pretty good. You could pretty much hunt them all day. But what was cool is a full circle because I think the first bird that I heard scouting,

I believe, was the bird that I finally killed on the third day. I struck him up at 3 in the afternoon and killed him at about 6 p.m. So I worked him for three hours. Out of his roost tree. Well, he was near his roost tree, I think. And it was one of those situations where I think that he was the king of the canyon and his whole life, when he sits up there and gobbles, the hens come to him and I'm sitting down there trying to make him come to me. And after three hours, he finally said, all right, I'll come down. And when he did,

he came a thundering and triple gobbling every time he stopped at me it was fun one of my favorite things i saw hunting ghouls uh was there there's like these canyons slot canyons they've got sycamores growing in them and they roost in those sycamores there's only roost trees around you know and one night we're down in there i can't remember if you're scouting or what like we were scouting we're watching these're down in there. I can't remember if we were scouting or what. I don't know if we were scouting. We're watching these birds down in the canyon bottom. They're all hanging around the base of the sycamore that they're going to roost in. But then right before dark, they start, looks like they're leaving. And they start climbing.

Yeah, they start climbing. I'm like, where are they going? And basically he climbs up the side of the slot canyon until he's even with the top of the Sycamore and then just hops into the Sycamore instead of flying from the ground up. Yanni told me a thing too that was interesting. Yanis was saying that. That's the Kevin Murphy pronunciation. Yeah.

Yanni. Yanni. With a Y. Yanni. Yeah. Yanis. Yanis was telling me I kind of forgot about this

Remember the old idea That Turkeys in rocky ground Don't get big spurs Are you familiar with this? Yeah Merriams don't have big spurs Because they

They abrade them on the rocks And like If you think about it It's horse shit I feel like I've probably told people that It's totally horse shit Oh yeah we all have But you look at a turkey

Standing there His spur isn't abrading anything He's not scratching in a pile of your dog's toenails. I feel like I've probably told people that. It's total bullshit. Oh yeah, we all have. But you look at a turkey standing there, his spur isn't abrading anything. He's not scratching in a pile of boulders. Think of what he'd have to do if he did want to abrade it. I got to talking about... I feel like I've told people that. That tag is so

hard to get that when people go down there, the real hardcore turkey hunters, they will really hard to get that when people go down there they're the real hardcore turkey hunters they will um they really want to get what they consider a trophy bird so multiple long beards a perfect fan and then on top of that spurs and like nice spurs for a goulds which are going to be about an inch i think um a lot of Goulds don't have any spurs at all. My bird actually was slick on one leg and had a spur on the other leg. And so I got to talking to a gay Morton who's also a biologist, and I was talking to Heffelfinger about it. And then I ended up talking, I think I even texted Dr. Chamberlain about it. And yeah, it has nothing to do with the terrain.

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Welcome to the OnX Club, y'all. Public service announcement regarding New Mexico. Hey there. I'm reading the letter. Mm-hmm. Cameron here. He gives his name. I don't know.

I think we should have Randall do this in his authoritative. Just give me a tone. Cameron here. Love the show. This is Cameron talking. Just a comment on episode 549. One of the topics discussed was New Mexico's unit-wide program for elk tags, also known as E+.

Being a New Mexico resident as well as a guide. I have taken advantage of the lack of information. The game department gives on the E plus program. The E plus system is an incentive for landowners to sell private land tags as unit wide. We were talking about, this is not Cameron. This is Steve talking. We're talking about New Mexico.

You can buy a landowner tag, but landowner like meaning the state will give tags to landowners who hold certain size properties the state will give them a tag and it's transferable so you're saying to the landowner like hey you own all this land it's only right that you should be able to do some hunting since you got all this wildlife running around on your place and you're being a good steward of the land. Well, the tag isn't just good for the land. He can hunt unit-wide. Meaning, you could have a bunch of ground with no elk on it, get a landowner tag, go hunt the National

Forest, or sell the tag to someone who will then not even step foot on your place and hunt the National Forest. I'm not getting into the right or wrongness of this. I'm telling you that's how it is. Landowners can choose to distribute the tags. This is a person explaining this, a wrinkle in this that I did not know.

Landowners can choose to distribute the tags as either unit-wide or as private land only. The part of this system I take advantage of is that if the landowner chooses to sell, give the tags as unit-wide, listen to this. Back up. Where was I? Damn it. Oh. If the landowner chooses to sell, give the tags as unit-wide, it allows anyone that possesses an elk tag in that unit to hunt their private property. Even if one tag is used as unit-wide for one hunt, that deeded property the tag was allocated to is still accessible throughout the season by elk hunters.

The New Mexico Department of Game and Fish releases an interactive map every year that outlines each of the properties. This map can be found fairly easy with some digging on their website, but it isn't advertised. As a guide, knowing this information has been very successful in accessing properties that hold elk and also for accessing national forest land, landlocked by these properties. Good lord. The landowners of these properties still maintain control over access by motor vehicles, but they cannot deny access by foot.

One more comment. This information should be known by anyone possessing an elk tag in the state, but the same rules apply as this Republic lands. He encourages new Mexico residents to read the regulations. He says, be safe, have fun,

be courteous to other hunters. And he says, what I was going to say, uh, talk to new Mexico department of game and fish i had no idea yeah i'm not telling you what to do other than go talk look at this this is that would have been a very fair thing to bring up interesting wrinkle pretty sweet system dude i had no idea i do know this i had experience one time with a landowner

tag in Colorado, and that landowner, I got a landowner tag in Colorado, and kept trying to be like, well, who's the landowner? Where's the landowner? They wouldn't divulge the information about the landowner. Yeah, that's illegal. No, and it is, and I went to Fish and Game about it. I'm like, we can't get

a hold of the guy. We can't even find out who he is. He won't return any calls. It worked out. You got a big one. No, I didn't. That wasn't the hunt? No.

Oh, there's a different one. I got a forky. Oh, that, well, worked out the next time. Cal,

hog hunting. Well, we should say that, uh, if you want to learn more about E plus, uh, listen to, we just did a interview with Jesse Dubello, New Mexico Wildlife Federation, specifically on the E-plus program. I never even heard that it was called E-plus. That's like a bad grade.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. My kids, they were wondering, what about E? I'm like, I don't know why it goes from D to F. What?

You can't get an E. Oh. In the grading system. I don't, is maybe F to Stanford. I think there's four passing grades and then failure. Failure. Yeah, but they're like, well, how come no one gets an E? Excellent.

You can get a D, you can get an F. They don't even use that anymore. No, they're back to it. Not in my kid's school. Listen, my kid's school, he showed me on an app. He has like some thing. He showed me his grades. I wish my kids did, but it's completely... So for the New Mexico E Plus system,

the system in place that our that, uh, our listener, uh, and Steve just described is a program that, uh, it's, it's kind of like that give and take of supplying, uh, tags to landowners, um, that they can sell on the open market. In exchange, they provide the access for being able to have a unit-wide tag, which in many cases is the tag on the open market that's going to bring in more money than a RO tag, which would be ranch only. But there's, I mean, that landowner's got to decide, like, I'll sell it for more money at the risk of having people come onto my property. My guess is you see, this is just guessing. I don't know.

My guess is you see, you get a tag, you don't have any elk, you go off ranch because who cares if people come check your place, you don't have any elk anyway. Yeah. And the reason, so the acreage requirement doesn't really exist anymore. Oh. It's more of like a damage or proof of habitat. They come in and assess the property. Oh, okay. So you gotta have elk. Right. But you don't have to have elk during hunting season.

I see. Right. Right. Because you're, it's your, your private property year round. Yeah. So if the elk are eating you out of house and home in the spring. You could winter elk, but that doesn't mean you got bugling bulls. Yep.

Exactly. So. I got you. Yeah. But, uh, you know, tag allocation in the state of New Mexico is, is a huge, huge topic for good reason. So, um, another place to check out for more information is takebackyourelk.com, which is an in-depth breakdown of the tag distribution,

uh, strategy in, in the state of New Mexico. It's pretty darn eye opening. I wonder if they're going to make that a national concern. Oh. It's not for me to say, but what the New Mexico Department of Fish and Game has given up in terms of wildlife management in the state of New Mexico is insane.

It should be a cautionary tale for other states, in my opinion. I think it's been instead being used as a blueprint for other states. Yeah. Oh, I agree. And this one, despite conversations where people say it's not part of the strategy, it really feels like Montana's heading down that road, and I am seriously against it. But if you want to talk about hog hunting in kentucky

so the kentucky department of fish and wildlife resources kdfwr seems like there's an easier way to make make that radio station yeah exactly the hits welcome Exactly. The hits. Welcome back to KU. What is it? KDFWR. KDFWR. Bringing you the hits. Anyway. Friday Night Drive. As we've discussed before, this is super interesting. They're getting ahead of hog hunting in the state of Kentucky.

By getting rid of it. By getting rid of it. By getting rid of it. So, uh, basically a blueprint to use a word you just threw out there of trying to manage. I would like to say eradicate, but eradicate is just probably not possible. Um, but manage a hog population, uh, more effectively than allowing, um, hunting on the landscape with the argument being that you can condition hogs, uh, to be trapped

or, um, I don't specifically talk about poison in here, but, um, if a bunch of other folks aren't trying to get after hogs, they're not going to be educated like Yanni's turkey. But isn't all, a part of it also is to de-incentivize people to like illegally introduce hogs, right? Like if, if hunting is illegal. They didn't say it specifically here, but

yeah, as we know, like once something becomes an institution, um, or a business institution being, uh, this is what me and my family do. We kind of love it every Thanksgiving. It's a, you know, um, a tradition. Those people will be like, well, I love hog hunting. I don't really want them all gone as we see in every state with hogs. Um, or on the other side of that, you have businesses that pop up that specifically guide for hogs in various ways. And they bring hogs home.

And they, yeah. We, uh, we have some earth shattering information that's going into our sportsman's Atlas. So Brody and I have been busy at work on a sportsman's Atlas. It's like a Atlas. It'll be a whole maps from just crazy wildlife stuff, history of hunting, fishing wildlife.

And we got these geneticists are doing work of where do hogs come from? And I was reaching out to these guys about the role of hunters and moving hogs around, which is just undeniable. Hunters move hogs around better than hogs move hogs around right south of dallas any place you run hogs with dogs you will run into this story of like oh we caught a castrated boar yep and they got they sent us some maps so it it takes a place in Florida near Okeechobee, I think. A place in California, in Northern California, in a place South of Texas. And it's got arrows emanating from these genetic populations around the country.

So like hogs show up in Missouri. Dude, you look at this map of being like we know they came from here and there's these hot spots there's a California hot spot a Texas hot spot in the Florida hot spot those hogs have been distributed all around the country yeah people bring them home they're like hell I like hunting pigs where can I get some years ago dude it's just it's not even a debatable point man years ago hanging out with dog guys

in California it was just like they would talk about this other line of income that they would have which would be like the dogs would catch a really big boar. They could trust that thing up, keep it alive and sell it to, um, the outfits that were, um, selling hunts for trophy quote boars in California. Right. And so, and i've been on like a multiple of these little like off the cuff invites to

oh come kill pigs and then probably half the time i would get out there and they'd be like well we'd appreciate it if you didn't kill that one What am I doing out here? Here's a guy on the same subject. Before, can we talk about one more thing? Please. I think an interesting thing in this article that Cal is talking about is that. Well, Cal's quoted in it. Yeah, he is. But Colorado took the opposite approach.

It was like, shoot every pig you see on site Yeah Which is just generally how pigs are regulated Well, but they're trying to prevent Yeah, all their neighbors Nebraska, Kansas, Nevada, Utah, Missouri Have banned hog hunts Yep, Colorado said shoot them all

And seems to have worked Seems to have worked. Seems to have eradicated them. Well, we're sitting in a state right now, Montana, where hog hunting is illegal. Oh, it is? Yep. Really?

Yep. So we're not supposed to kill the Canadian super pigs that are coming from the north? Yeah, the super swine? Well, maybe they'll change the regulations later. I was informed of this threat from my children. Somehow it came up as Canadian super hogs. It's almost like the person who wrote that headline. Super wolves and super hogs coming to get us.

In episode 555, Steve mentioned he was able to buy bonus points for his kids, but Montana no longer offers it. In Michigan, there's no age limit on licenses. Hot tip for you Michiganders. Anyone under the age of 10 can hunt or fish with a mentored youth license. This includes buying preference points for bear and elk. His 11-month-old daughter is sitting on a bear point and an elk point. His 4-year-old

sitting on five elk and five bear points. His two-year-old has got three each. Good for you. Wish I would have started that young. He says, but as Cal and Steve say, if you're mad about this, don't hate the player, hate the game.

He goes on to say the game needs to change. Yeah, he's arguing that it's ridiculous. But he has all the... He's bragging about all the points. I think he was just making a point that this is what I did because this is the way the system's set up

but it's ridiculous that my one-year-old who can't herself get the points, can't use the points, can't physically hunt an animal, would be gaining points. He goes in to say it's worse than that. So he's doing it. He's the player, not the game.

In all fairness, I'll include this tidbit from him. In my opinion, I believe this is ludicrous. Not only would my one-year-old be unable to physically accomplish any of the activities she holds a license permit for, it is a waste of resource dollars. For the majority

of the licenses listed above, I receive a printed tag, because he buys this license, his kid gets all these tags. Okay. She, his kid for like very few dollars gets a fishing license, small game license, spring Turkey license, fall Turkey license,

a deer tag, a fur harvester state waterfall. His one-year-old now has all these tags. Okay. So what does this mean for the state? For the majority of the license listed above, I receive a printed tag, literature on the seasons, and follow-up surveys about how the season went. Sometimes, his one-year-old will get multiple surveys, all printed on really nice card stock and sent through the U.S. Postal Service. So throwing in my own licenses, my household will receive 20 to 25 individual pieces

of mail this year. Money that could better be spent elsewhere. A lot of that money is still going to a good place. Come on. He says, hate the player.

No. That's not what he said. Don't hate the player. Hate the player. Hate the game. And hate the player. No. That's not what he said. Don't hate the player. Hate the player. Hate the game. And hate the game. I feel like you need like those rip off track things. I don't hate this one-year-old daughter.

You know what it is here? To really make the metaphor work, to make the metaphor work, you got this. You got the players. That's his one-year-old. You got the game. That's fishing game. But let's talk about the coach. That's the dad.

So hate the game. You look askew at the coach. But you can't hate on that one-year-old girl. No, I like this guy. I'm not going to go put up a flag next to her house. That's the best force metaphor you've ever had, Steve. I've got to give you credit there. That was good.

Silence. I'm just thinking about hating on this one-year-old girl. Does she really know what's up? He wants to see some bad mail. Wait till I write that girl a mean letter. Wait till she grows up to be a veganyear-old girl. Does she really know what it's like to get put off? He wants to see some bad mail. Wait till I write that girl a mean letter. Wait till she grows up to be a vegan. Dear little girl, I understand you've been using a lot of resources

to fuel your bear hunting passions. Someday you'll be able to read this and I want you to feel shame. I know, I was thinking about getting all the printed mail for a child that can't read. Yeah. Tune in next week for more news, Corinne.

Yeah, we'll do another one of these. These are fun, man. I like these ones. Yeah, we got to talk about genetically modified mule deer. I used to say, the reason people, I love mule deer. And I used to be like, the reason I don't like mule deer is you can't buy big ones. And people will be like, dude, that is is so stupid and now it's officially true that's stupid i mean it was mostly stupid now it's officially stupid your statement or the fact

i say you can't buy big mule deer i don't know what i was talking about in the in the u.s harder to buy a big mule deer should we really end on that note of self-doubt thoughtful reconsideration it was like one of those things that sounded good and it had sort of this like aura of fact it's kind of edgy. You can't buy a big Milder. Yeah. Can't buy a big Milder. Kind of anti-establishment. Media podcast. An aura of fact. Can't buy a big Milder. Oh, I want to tell you something. This is kind of a funny situation.

It was the last week, or my last week of turkey hunting here in the state. And I peel off a highway on this two track road for a service ground, drive a long way, park the truck, do this big walk, end up finding some turkeys place. I've never been before. End up finding some turkey sign. Um, I have not heard a gobble at all. Uh, but I'm like, okay, cool. There's, there's birds in the area. So I kind of set up camp for the night and

then take a. Oh, you're like backpack hunting. No. Bring me back in the truck. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, and then kind of do a, uh, kind of a road check drive and to, you know, listen for gobbles till dark. And I keep driving

this road, but I've never been on, but I can see on Onyx, there's another kind of main artery about a mile further up. And, and there's a, like, it kind of butts up on the edge of this big meadow where I'd found a bunch of Turkey sign. Um, but I had parked a mile away from it. Well, I get up there and here's this truck and a dude with a camper and he is in like full ghillie suit,

Turkey attire and just mean mugging the crap out of me. Like if eyes could kill, right? And I'm like, oh boy, yeah, probably not going to stop and say hi and keep tooling along. And right before the other main artery is, I always call them tank traps, you know, and they like decommission these forest service roads. Right.

So this thing's like. It's called a Kelly hump. Kelly hump. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. This thing's fully decommissioned, but with some outlaw on two tracks around the Kelly hump through, through the forest to get to the main

artery. Right. But keep in mind, I had just driven this road for seven, eight miles off of the main highway. And it just like dead ends at this. Oh, coming from the other direction. Yes.

Coming from the other direction. So I'm getting mean bugged by this dude. Who's like, who just did the illegal thing from the other way. As far as he knows, I did the totally legal thing from the other way, but he doesn't know that. Right. And it was just like this super kind of awkward meeting there.

Yeah. And then I kind of was, I didn't want to back up into this dude. So I did like the then illegal thing of following the outlaw two tracks around the Kelly hump ended up driving all the way around. Still with the hope of finding some turkeys, but yeah. Tony Peterson. Thanks for joining, man.

Yeah. Thanks for having me. Houndations. But it's going to go like this. Houndations. See you next week. See you next week. All I need is my tag and then I'll go From my hometown in Michigan

To the Rockies or the Desert Plains I have everything that I need In the great outdoors When I draw my phone I know I'm tilled here When everything is right I let my arrow fly Tookin' back straps

On an open fire Lookin' up at the stars Know the place I'd rather be I'm a meat eater I'm a meat eater I'm a meat eater I want this place to be the same A hundred years from today

So my children's children can do the same They can hunt and fish and hike and play So conserve the resources, protect the land For the next generation so they can see the beauty and the majesty of the great outdoors. I take a breath And squeeze my trigger On the same clear river In a boat with a good friend We can jig it through all night Watching the sun rise guitar solo

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