The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 614: Fishing During Hunting Season

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

Steven Rinella talks with Tony Peterson, Mark Kenyon, Janis Putelis, Randall Williams, Seth Morris, Corinne Schneider, and Phil Taylor. Topics discussed: When Steve fell out of the boat; Pat’s column getting scolded by Uncle Ted; complaining that the youth hunt kills all the big bucks; cowboy LARPing and wearing spurs at the airport; would Fawn Doe Buck and Bridger Boone Buck work as baby names?; fried in earl; trail cam reports; bait piles on public land; a wall of sea trout; mad fishing skills; and more.  Outro song "Nature is a Show" by kid grunge band, Largemouth. Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting for elk, First Light has performance apparel to support every hunter in every environment. Check it out at firstlight.com. F-I-R-S-T-t-l-i-t-e.com i'm gonna start out by clearing the air around me falling out of a boat and i want like here's the thing we're at our meat eater experiences event in in uh cypress cove marina in venice louisiana and we're on a day when we got a new group coming in today and an old group going so it's a day off yesterday i was fishing with my group my assignees

um one is in waste management one is a butcher and one was a lawyer and i uh accidentally fell out of the boat which which i haven't done in my adult life fallen out of a boat and nobody else on this trip has either no one's fallen out of a boat i'll point out i have never like i've fallen out of boats that capsized but you can't really help that I've never fallen out of a fine boat I have as an adult I'm gonna tell what happened and I'm gonna tell how I've how I dealt with it in the moment and I'm gonna tell how I'm dealing with it now so I caught a red fish that was outside of the slot limit red drum I'll point out and everybody else that tells the story and laughs about it that was outside of the slot limit red drum i'll point out and everybody else that tells the story and laughs about it that was on the boat never mentions that it was the biggest

fish of the day never mentions that it's not an important i caught the biggest fish of the day and i was in the bow of the boat and it was kind of high up and i i took a photo of the fish and wanted to resuscitate it i wanted to demonstrate responsible angling techniques. So I didn't want to go to the back of the boat because, you know, the whole like keeping your fish wet. This fish was getting dried off at this point. Okay. So I'm like, I want to take a photo of it.

And I'm like, I know it's like all naughty. You're not supposed to take photos. It's fine to impale them on a hook, but you're not supposed to detain them. No, I think that's only all naughty. You're not supposed to take photos. It's fine to impale them on a hook, but you're not supposed to detain them. No, I think that's only for trout. Oh, really? I think these fish are hardy. These fish can like live in the bottom of the boat

for a couple minutes, and then you put them back in, and they're like, thanks. He sure thought so, this fish. But my thing was, I was going to do the resuscitation move. Okay. But I'm high up.

The bow is a little higher than other parts of the boat, and there's no rail. You follow me? But my thing was I was going to do the resuscitation move. Okay. But I'm high up. The bow is a little higher than other parts of the boat, and there's no rail. You follow me? It's a flat deck. And I have carpal tunnel syndrome, which this battle with this fish of exceptional size. He's thrown in a lot of qualifiers. Were you in a wavy spot?

No. Okay. It was not wavy. But it was windy. It was windy, but windy but i had a i had a uh not a tailwind that should have helped yeah the wind should have helped so i'm sort of thinking about my my how i need to have the surgery on my wrist the fish's well-being the the the height i was above the water wait you were thinking about

your surgery well In the moment. You got a lot on your mind. It's bugging the hell out of me right now. It's related to composing on a computer. But the fish fight really bothered it because everything bothers it when it's inflamed. This is all on my mind. And I'm reaching and I'm thinking to myself, my God, that water is far down as I'm.

Are you? Are you? As it started to get really close. Are you in a squat position? Are you on your knees? I can't recall. I was not on my knees. I don't think I just remember the last thought I had was how far the water was away.

It was the last thought I had. You thought you could dive? And then suddenly it was very close. I was thinking, like, wow, this is quite a reach to get this fish down where I need to get him. And then I was just in the water. Head first. How deep

was it? I kind of did like a TJ Hooker roll, like that might be before you guys time. I just kind of did a barrel TJ Hooker roll. That might be before your guys' time. I just kind of did a barrel roll. So you went like shoulder. Ass over tea kettle. You call it ass over tea kettle. How deep was the water?

We didn't hit the bottom. I was out so fast, my hat and sunglasses were still on. The first thing I said was I fell in the water. In case there was any question. So the problem is I'm with all strangers. I'm with a fishing guide and three strangers. So how do you, do you know what I mean? Like save face.

Yeah. I just got right back to fishing. Cause what are you going to do? Like did anyone talk about it? Yeah. Everybody talked about it it was commented on i commented on it but i wasn't like i didn't i wasn't gonna i just got right back up and fished was i wasn't gonna go sit down no nothing was wrong with you yeah you

didn't almost die you had to like stop and think about it i know and i was trying to be like i didn't want to play it like something so i was trying so hard you know like if you're going through customs and you haven't done anything wrong and then you start tripping yourself up and you're starting to be like how would you act right you're like i haven't done anything wrong but i'm nervous how would i act if i hadn't done anything wrong but i haven't done anything wrong like what would you act like you know yeah like trying to come in and out of Mexico with guns you're sort of like yeah I'm gonna act you know normal Steve after you did that so back on boat I'm trying to be like I don't want to act like I'm not I don't

want to act like I'm like this happens all the time wait or I don't want to act like this happens all the time. Or I don't want to act like I don't think it's on you. Yeah, I had a hard time. I was trying to get in the mind frame of what would I do if I always fell off the boat. You're just like, oh, third time this week. But then I wouldn't want people to think I always fell. It was just like, it's a very hard moment to play. How did you feel the boat handled it?

They did great, and they're all so old, none of them thought to record it. That's not true. I hate to tell anybody, but I was told. Steve, I don't think you understand the gravity of this situation. It hasn't hit yet. No, no, no. Imagine the most salacious like rumor like the most juicy rumor out there when steve ranella falls into the water off of a redfish boat trying to release that

word spreads in a way you can't imagine it was like a wave washing across the bayou of people who are like did you hear yeah no i know yeah i saw there was radio chatter and then it's probably on a reddit channel right i told my wife and my wife immediately attributed it to aging which is like come on come on that's the worst thing to hear yeah she's like i'm gonna be menopausal and you're falling out of boats that's how she said it whoa, there was a secret photo shown around. And I also heard people debating whether or not the real issue here was your technique. I heard multiple people say, he shouldn't have tried to put it in the water and resuscitate it. You're just supposed to torpedo the redfish.

Yeah. I didn't even need to do any of that. There was some debate about that. Guys say, throw it in head first. It was a technique problem. Supposedly. Yeah, you're being too nice. How do you guys know I didn't fall in on purpose?

Just to give people something to chat about. Well, you achieved that. You heard that Bonnie Raitt song, let's give them something to talk about? Yeah. Talk about love. Half a finger rode in to say this. Oh, introduce yourselves. that's in the notes

go ahead mark we're here today with mark and seth morris tommy peterson randall williams and me yannis patelis on our on our day off at meat eater experiences it's not though we just said goodbye to a group we got another group coming in in like three hours, and we're podcasting. Yeah, not a day off. It was our day off. It's turnover day. We won't be doing this. In the hospitality industry, they call it a turnover day.

That's right. Okay, before you guys see the answer, I want to go around the room. Prion or Prion? Mark? Prion. Seth? Prion.

Prion. Prion. Pr prion just to make it even it's pretty both it comes from half finger it's a hot everybody uses something different i was asking someone what you're supposed to say and i'll point out one of my favorite stories as i was getting my hearing checked this is another old thing like the older you get the more you get tinnitus my doctor said tinnitus and My doctor said, tinnitus. And I said, is that how you say it? And he goes, I don't know how you say it. Heffelfinger said, here we have a very definite answer. Stanley Prusinger discovered the agent that causes CWD, scrapie, CJD,

which is Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, Kuru. And he published about it in 1982. He suggested the word prion to describe this newly discovered cause of neurological disease. They gave him a Nobel Prize for his paper paper in it he the guy that invented the word clarified that he pronounces it prion hard to argue with that puts that to bed yeah speaking of prions where's this thing durkin durkin just got scolded by uncle ted Nugent oh boy Durkin wrote an article

um uh Pat Durkin the last of the uh he's many things but one of the hats he wears he's a he's a he's a part of a dying breed of regional outdoor columnists um someone I was lamenting the America's loss of regional outdoor columnists and someone reminded me of who mine was as a kid uh that i always read and he would every you know he'd ice fishing reports muskegon chronicle the outdoor section he'd be hey, the walleye bite is hot. You know, the deer numbers are up. Deer numbers are down. Whatever. Bob Butts, I think was his name.

Tough one. Tough one. Not as tough as the one I saw the other day. It's that fellow by the last name of Schmuck. Yikes. Great guy, though. I didn't bring that up what did Pat get scolded for oh yeah

Pat wrote an article let me pull it up Pat wrote an article it's not Let me pull it up. Pat wrote an article. It's not... For all the talk about this Leon Musk character, this... Oh, no, it's working now.

Leon? Leon or Elon? I only say that because I just read the article. I couldn't find any example. I just read the article. There was an article. Like, now that Biden dropped out, there's a lot of focus on trump's

age like trump sort of inherited the like like when biden was like really old and cognitively failing all of the attention of age was there and now people are like oh wow that guy's elderly too so someone i was just reading article the other day other day, and someone was commenting that he recently referred to Elon Musk as Leon Musk, which I thought was hilarious. But then I couldn't find it. It's Elon. Elon. What did I just say?

You said Elon. Oh, you know what I'm talking about. Well, I'm so old. Sign of aging. Speaking of aging. I can't get my jokes right. Preons, prions. I thought it was funny. And I was like that's really funny

Leon Musk and so then I typed in Trump saying Leon Musk and could find no reference for it I didn't spend a ton of time on it but I don't know if it's like a fake news thing but I just thought that was funny Leon Musk and I told myself from now on that's what I'm going to say but it worked Starlink loaded the page

not as fast as one might like but it worked. Starlink loaded the page. Not as fast as one might like, but it loaded the page. So Durkin's article, the headline, Wisconsin DNR still ignores CWD's elephant in the room. And Durkin is lamenting the fact that a DNR press release on September 12th came out from Wisconsin's DNR kind of like kicking off the season and um

kind of kicking off the season and he's saying why are they not mentioning the fact the DNR release failed to mention CWD, despite the fact that it's now in 46 of the state's 72 counties? Durkin said, four of the past five deer my daughter and I have shot have all tested positive including all three bucks I've shot age three point five three point five and one point five he finally got a double that was clean but his daughter's two point five year old dough tested positive last fall Nugent says we can't believe anyone is still falling for the cwd scam that has never hurt a deer herd anywhere at any time pat durkin what happened to you did he tweet that no i don't know put it in his comments it was it's like respectfully put it in

the comment section what we're looking at here is two different views of it there's a view of it of man cwd's super scary i hope no one catches it and i hope it doesn't kill off deer herds and a view being cwd's been around now since the 70s no one's caught cwd and there's no demonst there's like hints of but so far no demonstrative evidence hints of evidence but no like real demonstrative proof that it that it has impacted the deer herd i mean wouldn't d't Doug say otherwise? Doug would say otherwise. But a thing that you, and this pisses Doug off, but you find that there are areas that have CWD, there's a bunch of deer.

Doug was recently telling me about his spot, a property he just went to tour. Pretty big property. I forget, 80 acres down there somewhere not too far from him and uh amazing oak regeneration i had actually called him to talk about that and he had the story to start off with and the two weren't related and a lot of young seedlings and no brows. The heart and center of the CWD heat map. Like it's being depopulated. Very low deer herd and the oaks are just like... If there is a plus for CWD, it's going to be oak regeneration. Low deer herd from low deer herd from because there is some um yeah there is scattered evidence suggesting lower deer numbers what i think that what i think that people that

track and monitor chronic wasting disease what i think would be very interesting to do is make a timeline and put two lines on it boone and crockett entries and cwd prevalence per county um and see because that is the thing that would speak to like if if you're not afraid of eating cwd infected deer meat and many people have never got sick and you think that cwd die offs pale in comparison to ehd and blue tongue which is true like a friend of mine michigan they just lost 50 there's piles of 20 and 30 dead deer, 50% of their deer herd by blue tongue and EHD. So there are wildlife diseases. No one likes to see them, but there are wildlife diseases that are,

that are like cataclysmic for deer populations. This is a new one. This is mysterious. And, and, and I'll, as I always do have the conversation i primarily i primarily point out that i have a fear about human transmission and then people

would say like oh yeah but how can you say you care about wildlife if you if you don't if you're not troubled by animals dying of disease i am but i mostly the thing that really scares the hell out of me is human transmission i can't remember i had such a complicated sentence going i can't remember where i was headed with it that's an age thing um i think you just made a good point i could just wrap it up people might forget what i was going to get at oh no what i'm gonna get at is this there are you might not be bothered by eating cwd infected meat right and you might not be bothered by eating CWD-infected meat, right? And you might not be bothered by just the fact that some deer will die of this disease because you might look and be like, deer die of all kinds of stuff, including arrows, bullets, cars, EHD, blue tongue, whatever.

They get chopped up by combines. They just die. So that doesn't bother me but if you saw that if you saw a timeline with prevalence rates and boon and crocket submissions and you saw that as the prevalence line goes up in many states in many counties across the country that the prevalence line goes up and the Boone and Crockett submission line goes down, then you might find a new class of individual who is concerned about CWD. I don't know. I'm surprised no one's done this.

What about those areas where there's high CWD? They oftentimes allocate way more tags. Yeah, you would have to tease out. So your deer numbers could be down because people are just shooting a lot more deer. Yeah, it'd be. But they aren't though. At least from what I hear anecdotally is that like people, we've covered this,

where they're begging people to shoot does and no one's shooting deer. Correct. So I don't know if that's actually happening. Yeah, last year, Michigan's Department of Natural Resources sent out a letter saying, we basically

throw in, it kind of had this tone of the director throwing his hands up in the air saying, we have done everything we can think of to incentivize doe harvest. And it's not even a CWD issue, it's just like habitat quality, other issues. We've done everything we can think of

to incentivize doe harvest. It continues to go down. Interesting. Yeah, we had a, God, I'm going to get the wrong number. It was either 11% or 20% reduced take in our last, so last year, our last season. So deer harvest continues to go down, but population continues to go up. And, yeah, it's a problem. They came out again this year in all sorts of news clips and stuff saying,

please, please take more deer. They're starting to tweak regulations. They're trying to find ways to incentivize does even more and more, like our youth season. Starting next year, the youth season no longer will be buck or doe, only does. As well as there's always been an early antlerless season there's going to be a new oh gosh january earn a buck really works but nobody likes it it was debated there was that was one of the options that was discussed with the commission this year

which i wouldn't be surprised if it comes up again um there's been options of extending seasons and this will be the case next year extending seasons into january more and more counties so they're doing what they can but it's really hard to get people to do it and then people continue to report harder time finding hunting spots so you have like fewer people hunting killing fewer deer it's just like the amount of space that each hunter takes up has grown so much and if i look at like when i grew up we hunted two family farms each family's last name started with a z oddly not related um and it was like it was kind of like everybody from church hunted these farms. Not really, but it was just a lot of people had permission.

And then it was funny because you watch and then another generation comes up that wasn't in the strict farming business you know because these the patriarchs at the time when i was a kid did dairy raise corn did alfalfa had zero interest in hunting but it's like a smaller farm isn't going to support many families working on it so they would have you know four or five kids and those four or five kids there's not not room to be a farmer on the farm. The dad's a farmer. So they go into other industries outside of ag and they like to hunt deer. And over time it becomes that it's,

you watch this thing happen. I watched it happen in multiple places. At times it becomes like a deer property and big ladder stands pop up here and there. and all of a sudden it's kind of like a it just it doesn't have that feel anymore like that permission that property that access became very coveted and it was happening you know in the 90s just became like coveted and it's like fewer people are on per patch of ground from back when it's like people didn't really care right you know we attribute that partially to urban sprawl and things like that just just less land out there

less huntable land sure but really what we've done we're in a big time trophy hunting phase you know it's cyclical and right now the method is get your hands on something exclusive raise deer name them protect them yeah and those those people generally and i'm kind of stereotyping here but they're not going to be like i'm killing a shitload of does off my property the the priority is yeah bucks first and so you don't have you just don't have that take anymore. So the people who would be more inclined to shoot does, little bucks, just go out on a weekend or whatever, those people, their experience is declining

because they're pushed onto public. There's the guys we saw in Oklahoma, and they're not the ones out there in October killing some does. And that's a big problem we have right now because there's still a lot of land out there in october killing some does and that's a big problem we have right now because there's still a lot of land out there but it's a lot of it is tied up because of the sort of the style that we're we're really adopting as whitetail well hey let's be clear we are all part of that you've got private land you own you do the same thing janice's private private land. He hunts. I have stuff. So we're not all part of it. I have stuff.

Don't do that. I have a fish shack with a lot of fish out of that shack. Yeah. So I mean, I think it's not, it's a basic supply

and demand thing. It is what it is, but it's rather than demonizing someone who hunts private land. Who's demonizing anybody? I don't think we're demonizing. I'm saying though.

It's like, are you contesting that what we're saying is accurate? No'm not i'm saying though i think like serious very serious deer hunters who are very focused um use more space or it's like more acreage per hunter is used now than it was in the late 80s early 90s for sure for sure when it used to have a can i hunt your place? Only on one condition. You kill them all.

Would be like what a farmer would say to you in the 90s. So, yeah. In the early 90s. My point is like, yes, this is like a basic fact of reality now. And so I just see a lot of people that love to complain about it. Yes, that's my next,

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to say instead, like instead like okay this is where things are headed how can we take advantage of the rather than bemoaning it let's look at what how we can flip it and make it a positive and so the positive could be the example of what we're doing in southern michigan with the back 40 and with volunteers in the national deer association where there's a bunch of people who own private land or have leases, but recognize as a thing. And also realizing there are people who do want to kill these does, but they don't have the access. And we found creative ways to connect those people. And there's a lot more private land, landowners or leaseholders who are willing to invite these people out to come and be a part of it and to help us with these doe harvest goals.

So I think rather than bemoaning and saying, like, these people who have private land are the enemy, or, like, it's a problem caused by them, it's, hey, you've got this great access, and let's just invite more people out there to kill these does. And so that's what we're doing. We've got great big doe deer camps. And that's what Bubbly Dog does.

Exactly. Doug does a great example wintertime comes around it's just like a kill floor over there man yeah but i think it can be a good thing because you have situate not i'm not saying that if we could sure i'd reverse it back to 30 years ago but we are where we are we can't turn back time so rather than turn back yeah so let's let's say to these guys... Spicy he got here. Well, you're dogging on. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm totally kidding.

Mark, I agree. He's not dogging on it. He's just saying it's a fact. And I'm kidding about the dogging thing. He is... I agree it's a fact. Mark, I agree with you, but I also think that it's not that scalable to be like, just have a bunch of private landowners jump in on this. I think there's programs you could do that, but part of the reason we are where we're at is because of this message of the best way to kill a big one is to lock it up.

A lot of guys aren't going to- Hunt it one day a month. Right. When the wind's blowing south, southeast with a little bit of more south right and i and i think the bitterness doesn't come from so if if we look at this and we go well we'll have a weekend and we invite a bunch of people out to kill those that's great like i think people should do that but that's also like my wife looks at hunting if i go bow hunting in the suburbs by my house and i'm listening to traffic the whole time

and I'm on 20 acres and I'm scared to shoot one unless it's perfect because it might run into somebody's backyard, that experience is not the same thing as the farms I grew up in southeastern Minnesota where I can walk in with a stand on my back and I have land to work with. They're not the same activity even though they are the same activity. And I look at that and I go, it's nice to hand some people some charity does and be like go sit this alfalfa field or whatever but i think where the kind of the where the jaded nature of you know the people who are bitching about this comes from is because they want to go hunting they just don't

have the standards that you know the private land guy who wants to grow the big bucks does. And he's like, I'm getting kicked out of this experience of me going and hunting for myself. I don't want somebody to just be like, come out for two days and we'll put you in a box blind and you can shoot a bunch. Because it's like not the same hunt. And I think that's where some of it comes from. You know where I think the jadedness comes from to a large degree? I think it's a reflection of, and I'm not just saying this because I fell out of a boat. It's a reflection of age.

And I'll tell you a little bit why I think that. We one time had an entomologist on named Justin Schmidt, and he is the inventor of the Schmidt Pain Index, which is an index scale of insect bites. He observed, he said this about scientists. He said the reason young scientists make all the groundbreaking discoveries is that old scientists spend all their time defending their now wrong ideas.

So as you're coming in and you're developing your outlook, you're like, oh, wow, look at this and look at this. How novel. And then later, you'll watch, it'll start to, your idea will become aged. People, the new generation of people will start chipping away at it and you're the human response is to then go defend your set of idea and now you're not at the cutting edge anymore right my 14 year old works at the meat eater flagship store in bozeman a day or two a week um he was working a lot more in the summer but now

he's got school and all that him and his other kid so he's 14 there's another kid that works down at the store who has a driver's license okay i'm out of town and he's like can i go uh can we go hunting on the open day duck season him the other kid he's gonna drive i give him like 10 talkings to about gun handling and all that kind of stuff and send them on their way and he said i said where are you going and he sends me a pond a public land pond and i'm thinking to myself um good luck with that because it's like they saw a bunch of ducks on a pond. So sure enough, he sends me a text later. Someone's already in the spot, which I knew would happen.

Well, later I talked to him. He had the best time of his life. Went to a spot. Someone was there. Went down to the river. Drove up and down the river. They found a little slough that had a beaver dam on it, got out, put their decoys up, and killed a hen gadwall.

Ecstatic. Ecstatic. Yeah, they did it on their own. And I've taken him out to my buddy's managed duck property for duck hunting a fair bit. He has a good time, but not as good of a time as one like me and him will go sit under a bridge when golden eyes are migrating through at the last day or two of the season right and he went out and had like the he's still on cloud nine about like the proudest

accomplishment you ever had now you take a 40 year a 50-year-old who goes to the pond and someone else is there. What is their demeanor about it? It's like you'll always get beat by young dudes who everything's still fun. It's still exciting. They welcome the challenge. And you'll turn into an old, generally, I'm trying to be aware of this. Generally, what will happen is you'll turn into an old, bitchy man. And you'll forget what it was like when you were in your 20s

and you scrounged and scrounged and scrounged. We used to fish this spot on the Sue Edison Dam. And old men would always get to the spot before us because they could just get up earlier than we did. We would leave the bar and go to the spot and sleep at the spot because you couldn't beat them fair. Right?

Like that was the level we were willing to go to to steal people's spots and then you get old and you just bitch. We had this great we got this great email from this guy in michigan he signed it a pissed off michigan hunter and he was saying that um he was saying stuff this is like categorically untrue he's like by the time the big hunt yeah he called it the big one by the time the big hunt happens all of the bucks are dead because of the youth hunt in the bow hunt

and they ruin the big hunt it's like is there any statistic to back that up that all there's quite a bit of bucks are dead there's quite a bit of data to prove that's wrong how many 14 year olds do you know are going to not go out because all the big bucks are dead? It's just like you get old and you get bitchy

and you fall out of boats and like it's just how it goes. Your stories don't track. Your stories don't track. You forget what you were talking about. You bitch about

the spots you had and you forget that when you found that spot someone else was hunting and you got there earlier and they didn't right and they drove off bitching and you stole the spot and it became your spot and then later some kid shows up and you just like you know everything went to shit dark dynasty you know i mean like um tommy edison wrote in the blue collar scholar you guys good on moving on yep tommy wants to know why do you criticize folks who wear cowboy hats i wear one and often i could make the argument that i'm more entitled to do so than a random driver in

a bozeman airport i grew up with horses own a steak and some cows and even still ride most tuesday evenings and he does and he does rodeo competition do you criticize people yeah i think he's it's like he's laying out he's like like, he has every right. No, listen. Yeah. Let's say I all of a sudden started dressing up like a cop. What's that going to do to society? Chaos. Yeah.

So when people dress up like cowboys, why is it okay? If I dress up like a cop, it's just a general anti-costume principle. If I all of a sudden was like, I have a little badge, a badge and a police hat. And I started running around and I got like a belt with some handcuffs and shit. I mean, it'd be like a little goofy, but I don't think it's going to disrupt society. If I dress like a cop?

Yeah, we would like sort of acknowledge it, the new Steve, and then we would go fishing with the cop. I mean, the real problem is you'd begin to think you wear that badge long enough, then you think you have the power to entitle you to, which I think there's a similar thing happening with the cowboy hat. Yeah, I've just been noticing that this guy,

I feel like it's getting a little loose. Who has a cowboy hat? Yes. It's gotten a little loose. I feel like this has been going on for my whole life. Maybe it's, no. Maybe it has. It's probably oh it's gotten a little like this has been going on for my whole life it's probably it's a it's a gradient no doubt right it's but but i feel like lately it's just gotten a little loose right like it used to like for a while it might not be that it wasn't you had proximity to livestock right you had proximity to livestock you had

friends in that world you held a certain worldview perhaps you had certain political leanings it's now there's not even you could have a cowboy hat and have zero proximity to livestock be like mega left wing do you know i mean it's just like never ridden a horse yeah and and and i feel like it's getting a little it's getting it's like if i had a police uniform do you think some of it is my law enforcement yellowstone the yellowstone effect i was just gonna say like in bozeman you're just seeing it so much because it's become the costume of choice for out-of-towners coming to visit Yellowstone, the show. Sure, yes. Have I told you how comfortable my new Tocco boots

are that I've been breaking in, getting ready for the tailgate tour? That's good. I haven't been wearing a hat to match. I did find a man, Tommy agrees with me on one thing, I recently saw a man in the airport through security with Spurs.

I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. Through security with Spurs and his work gloves tucked into his belt. And he was legit. No. It was a costume. How do you know that? Judgment.

You can just smell it on him. You guys never seen a balancer on his life? I've hesitated to say this because people, you're going to scoff. Phil broke the fourth wall. Phil scoffed before we were given the opportunity to scoff. I don't want you to think I'm bragging.

I won't. Because it think I'm bragging. I don't want you to think I'm bragging. I won't. Because it doesn't ever do anything that benefits me. I have a future seeing clairvoyance, but only on things that have nothing to do with me. Okay, can you give an example? For instance, I could meet someone in a bar,

and they would say, I just moved in with a new new roommate and i'll also know that in a week that roommate won't be in that house anymore are these confirmed later on yeah so i'm saying give me another example the dude in the airport who's larping being a cowboy yeah what was it is there like something that trips your intuition where you're like, there's a sixth sense. It's probably because all this shit looks new. Brand new. Yeah.

Where's like a legit cowboy. Is it because there's a company that sells, that buys gloves from actual farmers and ranchers? There's companies that do that with jeans? Yeah. They buy gloves from farmers and ranchers. Used. that do that with sell yeah they buy gloves from farmers and ranchers used and they're called ranch worn gloves so you can get gloves that seems like you work wow did he have those it's again that's amazing engage with him that's the vibe i was

getting is part of this because what's that company called ranch worn gloves i think isn't it what's called someone look it up is part of this because you look at that person and you're like there's no way a real ranch hand would be advertising that in the airport i just don't know why he'd have spurs on i feel like he would have slipped out of his spurs right over the top yeah i don't think a real ranch hand or guy working cattle is gonna actually wear that shit to the airport let's do a survey Let's call everyone you know. We'll all call everyone we know that works in livestock, and we'll say, do you wear spurs to the airport?

Dude, I think you'll get an overwhelming no. I feel like Garrett Long might wear spurs to an airport. No. No way. I just never understood. But he grew up in a ranch family and rides and still doesn't wear spurs. Anyways, Tommy agrees that you shouldn't wear Spurs at the airport. I don't understand the impulse to go somewhere and then dress up in a regional costume.

Yeah. Like, if I go to a city, I don't put on, like, a business suit and carry a briefcase around. That's a good point. You know, like, I was trying to think of other examples where you'd go. Where you'd go to the town and dress like you're from that town. Right, like this is fun. What would that? I don't know.

Like if you were in like a real fishy location and then you had like a sun shirt, some shorts. But there's a practical application. The Merce with your fly gear in it? Yeah. The sling pack, man. You're still stuck on a sling pack? It's the most popular thing to wear. I thought you just called it the slay pack.

You should call it the sling pack. I know what it is. I got to move on. You should call it the slay pack, though. That's way cooler. Guy wrote in, I was saying how some names, this just strikes me as funny. I can't prove this scientifically. Some names you can just tell the family has a lot of money.

Who were we talking about? Oh, the guy that died in the Titan. Stockton Rush. Right. Like Carnegie. Like money just comes. If your name's Stockton Rush, it's like, no kidding. Right?

Well, a guy wrote in, and he said his name is Wolf Von Mueller III, and he says he is not rich. I was going to say any name that starts with a van, I would put in the rich category. Yeah, so I was going to start going by Steven Von Rinella, but just to see if money rolled my way. Causation versus correlation. Wolf Von Mueller III has pointed out that he's broke um and we

had a guy named rich who wrote in and said i'm not rich anyways guy wrote in a different guy his wife's pregnant with the third child uh part of the agreement he made with his wife around having a third child this strikes home with me because i'm really regretting not having a fourth child. But it's really hitting me lately. His wife wanted a third child. He said, sure, that's fine, but I get to name it and you can't veto my names. And she was cool with that.

They struck a deal. Guess what this guy's name is that wrote in. The guy or the name he gave his kids? He's not named it yet. He's looking for advice. No. His name is Jonathan MacGyver Buck.

Whoa. Jonathan MacGyver Buck. Wanting to know. He's kicking around for a boy Bridger Boone Or Buck Which would be Buck Buck

For a girl He's kicking around Fawn Doe Or Buck He's really taking the You can't veto this name and running with it. Yeah, he's leaning into that.

Right. I'll just see what I can get away with. I'll tell him. Oh, go ahead. I hope he doesn't name his daughter Buck. Dude, I know. Great name is daughter Buck, man. Really?

I'll tell you the two names I'm sitting on right now. It's the full name. He wants to name his girl fond of oh he wants to name his boy that makes a lot more sense than buck buck oh so it would be his name i thought he's got options oh he's thinking about bridger okay now this i I like the letter. I like it even more now. Bridger Boone Buck is a bit much. Fawn Doe Buck is a bit much. Yeah.

Agreed. Fawn Buck. I think it's restrained. I think it's tasteful. Very subtle. He's not going far enough. Yeah. I've had – so I've had a vasectomy, and me and the missus have been together a long time.

We're not going to have any more kids, but the two names I'm sitting on are, if I did, I was telling her this the other day. I said, you know, I wish we did have another baby, and if we did, I would want to name it. I would like to name, if I had a girl i would name it i'm just telling you these names are up for grabs anybody having kids my dad was named frank so if i had a girl i would name her frankie and if i had a boy i'd name him earl so you can use those names why earl because someone mentioned the last name he likes to fry a lot of fish and earl uh guy grew up guy grew up around earl is that earl hot yet

all right that's the end of my notes hey we never talked about our trail cameras oh no oh yeah start with that yeah go ahead tell me about your trail cameras i forgot about that well we were all just kind of lamenting the fact that just happened to be that when we've got this super fun trip is also the time when all of us are kicking off many of our whitetail seasons. And these days we've all got pictures popping in on our phones, letting us know what's going on. Yeah.

Uh, so I, for example, there's a deer that I'm hunting on a four acre piece that has shown up. Yeah. Has, uh, has shown up three times in daylight since I've been here.

On four acres? Yeah. I should clarify. It's not four acres. The whole property is 60, but all of it but four acres is a standing cornfield. So all to hunt is a little four-acre sliver on the back. So as long as he runs out of the cornfield.

He could run the corn. Yeah. But he's running around feeling safe now that I'm in Louisiana. He's living there in an open season. Yeah. So, Mark, by that rationale, if you were in a tree stand, a little tree stand, you'd be like, I'm hunting this buck on two square feet. You're right. That would not be the right way to describe it.

He hasn't daylighted yet on this two square feet. No. No. So it's a 64-acre parcel acres 56 acre parcel um and then how uh has does he have a name no he's a tall he's got really really tall brows how about if i were to refer to him we probably say that tall brow buck my kids call him tall brow i guess no that's good yeah and that's the deer you're gonna try to get that's one of the deer i'd. And that's the deer you're going to try to get? That's one of the deer I'd be after.

He's the one that I'm most excited about. He is a cool buck. And it's fun to have a deer like that on a little place where you wouldn't normally think it'd be worth hunting. Who owns the land? Just a local farmer. I got permission from. It's going to take me a hot second here to find it, sir.

Okay, Yanni, what's your, what's your trail cam report for over there in Skani? I haven't had a, a mature buck show up on any of my two dozen cameras in like three weeks now. Uh, really?

They all went into a hole. I don't know. They're probably just hanging out in the court and in the standing corn. I a hole. I don't know. They're probably just hanging out in the standing corn, I'm guessing. I don't know. We're just not traveling much. I'm not missing. I thought it was pretty good timing, honestly,

because September is for the elk, and then November is for the deer, in my opinion. I'd love to do some fishing. Oh, that's in October for the redfish? Yeah. That's a cool one isn't it yanni were you getting pictures around the open brow tanzers tall as the rest of his time i know crazy but again i told you that we have bad service down by the fields so i don't really have any cameras set up on the food i got you holy smokes so yanni's got nothing

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week that made me a little bit thinking i should be home with my daughters i had a couple over in wisconsin and but i the last week of september in the first week of october i often have that happen and i think it's because even though where we're where those cameras are that i'm talking about baiting got banned last year there over a cwd pop on one of the game farms in a neighboring county so baiting was legal it's not now i know that some of my neighbors are for sure so i think what happens there is we get a prevalence of baiting right around the opener and people get bored with it into the season a little bit so it's it's my deer disappear

right away and then they start trickling back in and then once people are getting excited about gun season my deer will start to disappear again because they're back out on the bait right right and so the entire time i've been hunting over there which is quite a while now it's a very consistent pattern where i'll have deer all summer long not a lot of deer because it's low deer density place but they will vanish around the opener and then they'll start trickling back in so i i actually do way better hunting over there uh even you know on the public land over there by hitting that kind of window when a lot of people are sort of the the excitement over the opener's gone the anticipation of the rut hunt or the rifle

hunt isn't there yet and everybody's just kind of backing off and i think it's correlated to just the bait piles in the woods got it so and i so do you think that's what's boning yanni too i well that when that's why i asked him if he had deer around the opener because if you i mean you talk to a co and they'll say a lot of times the complaints they get that lead to baiting citations are because people are like i had these deer every day and all of a sudden they all started disappearing and I know my neighbor's kind of sketchy or whatever and they'll go in there it's so I I wondered if yours disappeared before the season or right around the opener and they haven't come back yet

could be one of our customers the guest that was with us this week, lives not far from our place. And he said, we were chatting about it, and he said that we're probably one of the few places that doesn't bait, even though it's illegal to bait in our county. Yeah, he was describing a situation that surprised me where it's illegal to bait, but baiting is done openly. Where I'm at, it's crazy. I mean, I do a lot of grouse and woodcock hunting up there too it's big woods kind of stuff the amount of bait piles i find out on public land just roaming you know and it's it'll be ladder stand bait pile cell camera you know lather rinse repeat and they're not supposed to be there. Yeah, so the agency just doesn't have it.

It's just not on there. They don't really care about it. I don't know. I mean, I know in Minnesota for a while, I did a seminar one time, and there was a conservation officer there who did a, he spoke as well, and I was talking to him, and he said, this was quite a few years back,

but he said that they had busted during the gun season the previous season they had busted six different people who had two guns with them and one was like an old shitty lever action that they didn't care to lose and one was their nice deer rifle so if they saw a conservation officer walking in they knew that gun was going to get confiscated so they'd leave the good rifle up in the box blind or wherever try to stash it and they had an old idea older rifle they didn't want to lose six different times they encountered that right so if you think if that if it's true i have no reason to believe he was lying to us that's crazy yeah crazy now i will also say this if they're walking in on like gun opener on somebody they've probably been paying attention to that person for a while that person might be

the kind who has some citations in their past you know it's not like a random encounter with somebody who might be baiting somewhere and they're like oh they have two rifles it's like we're going we're working these people you know so something tony and i were talking about on the drive here the other day and i don't know if you guys have debated this on some previous episode but has there ever been a discussion around the cost but i don't know if it's a cost benefit analysis or an obligation thought process here but the idea of of basically ratting out a neighbor who you know baits do you do you turn that into the ceo because it's the right thing to do knowing though there could be significant blowback to you in the neighborhood if it gets back on you as being the person that

did that and i'm going to give you a totally honest answer okay it would depend a lot on the neighbor my relationship with the neighbor and my understanding of what the neighbor is sort of. There would be so many things. It being a neighbor, what their kind of experiences have been. I know that when my old man was near dying, he would scatter corn for turkeys and then sit there and call. Did I call and turn my dad in? No.

That's my dad. So no. If we just kind of be like, oh my God, what was our attitude toward it? If our attitude was like, really, dad? But that stuff can go south. It can. I have a really good buddy of mine who has 40 acres, and somebody bought the 10 acres next to him, and that guy was baiting deer hard illegally in Minnesota,

and my buddy called him in. The guy was very gratuitous about it. So the conservation officer staked him out on my buddy's land built a case busted the guy guy had several citations previously and the guy fought it in court and when the state turned over whatever evidence they had and reports and they they left my buddy's name on there instead of having it supposed to be anonymous so then his neighbor found out he was the one who turned him in and now when my buddy walks out back to go hunt with his kids that guy if he sees them because they're pretty visible he'll go down there with

his ar-15 on the fence line shoot all night long uh shot their cat shot his daughter's cat in their yard uh it's a bad deal yeah no that's what i'm talking about man it's like it would just depend on something it could be a situation where it's just i'm just trying to be honest there's certain violations where i categorically absolutely would but like some i just be i'd have to kind of weigh out. Yeah, it's tough. I'd have to kind of weigh out, like, is it sort of an old habit of an old man and they're not going to be doing this for decades because they're kind of in the autumn of their life and they don't know any different and they don't kill anything anyway?

I don't know. I'd have to look at it, you know? So the thing that I wrestle with, but this year specifically, is I know, I know some of my neighbors are doing it. And I go, okay, well, I'm an out-of-stater. I don't live there.

So that, you know, like, that's part of the calculus. Like, should I call them in or not? But on the opposite side, I look at this and i go i only get a couple weekends out with my daughters and those guys are pulling all the deer away and of course they don't care about the forkies and the six pointers that my daughters want to shoot all day long and so i look at it and go am i being smart by just being like uh whatever let it go it'll it'll work itself out like i don't want to

get into that or am i being kind of a coward because in a way these people are stealing deer from my kids or opportunities and so i like i wrestle with that dilemma because i know my daughters would have more productive hunts if that wasn't happening but you could also go down the line and say well what if they find out it was me who turned them in turned them in and then they come back and make our lives miserable like your buddy right well that's that's a big part of the calculus for me because i i don't live there and i think i think if they got called in anonymously they'd be like i know who did that yeah that's you knowicker. You know what would be the move, and this is something I learned. I learned this the hard way when I was in high school.

I'm just reflecting on this now. I lived close to a unit boundary for water trapping. The state was divided into three zones. Zones 1, 2, 3.

I lived near a zone boundary. So there was a November 1 water trapping opener, and then there was a, I can't remember what the hell, it was staggered, like a week later or something. One time, I'm scouting, and I pull over. You know what's crazy? The other day I went to check. I was visiting my mom not too long ago,

and actually went over and checked under that bridge for tracks just because I was feeling nostalgic. But I was scouting and checked under a bridge for Coon to Mink tracks, and there was a trap set there, but it wasn't open yet. Okay. They were on the, this was south of that border, so it was a later opener, but if you'd gone a few miles

the other direction, it was open. Anyways, I'm pissed because I always set that bridge and someone's already trapping the bridge and it's not seasoned. I call and report the person.

Okay? Then I get a call from the fur buyer who just lays into me about why in the world, one, it was another young trapper, he made a mistake and why in the world would you not have left a note or pulled his trap tag and called him why in the world would that have been your solution right and ripped into me for like selling out another trapper.

So as I'm thinking about this, you could go and say, man, can we sit and talk for a minute? I need to talk to you about something. Right. You know, another approach. I mean, I think that's a good idea. But that does then eliminate your option to ever turn him in.

Right. Because if you do turn him in, they know 100%. If someone else turns him in, he thinks it's you. Right. He gets the blame no matter what. And I don't know these people. I didn't know that. I didn't know.

I should have probably said that. I didn't even check their trap tag. I just called the game warden. Someone's trapping a league under the bridge. Right. I don't even check their trap tag. I just called the game warden. Someone's trapping a legal under the bridge. Right. I don't know, man. Tough one. And I would have gotten the same result if I had done what

the fur buyer said I should have done. The same result would have happened. Right. Well. Tricky. Thanks for joining, folks. Tricky. Thanks for joining, folks. Tricky, tricky. I got elk on my trail cameras in Pennsylvania.

And one black tail in Alaska. Oh, yeah. It's like Pennsylvania, what? Seth's got giant elk on his trail camera. Real quick, let's do this before we wrap up. Impressions of our first round? Corinne's over there doing this. That means you have to talk about fishing. I'm doing that right now.

Impressions of the first round, Giannis? Oh, yeah. I've been having a great time. Yeah. By the time I leave here, I'll probably be able to get hired on as a deckhand, I think, on one of these offshore boats. I'm getting a little crusty, you know? Mm-hmm.

I've been drinking, like, the coming styrofoam cups when they make a cocktail around here about yay big. There's about three of them in there. So you only need one per evening. But, you know, one of those every day about five. You're asleep by eight. Then you get up at four and just, what did you say? Lather, rinse, repeat.

Yeah, keep fishing. Yeah, fish again. No, it's been great. Unfortunately, the weather, this big hurricane that's about to hit Florida is making for crazy seas so we didn't get offshore this week. It's hard to complain about it when you know what's about to happen in a couple days

but yeah, we haven't fished offshore. But we fished inshore but everybody's been having a great time. I mean I've caught more redfish this week than I have in my whole life so if that When we were out yesterday, when I fell off the boat our problem was everything was over the slot we had six we had six uh reds that were over the slot over which they call bull drum here

and this is like in a couple feet of water man they are impressive fish they're fun they're really cool fish yeah when that tail comes out of the water and you see that your line's going into the water in one area and then way away the tail comes out of the water you're like that's a big fish so fun so fun yeah and we've caught a few of those uh black drum that have been in that deep maybe even bigger than the biggest bull red drum that we've caught right i'm not oh yeah yeah we've yeah we've caught bull biggest bull red drum that we've caught, right? I'm not saying we're that big. Yeah, we've caught bull, those bull black drum or whatever they're called. Yeah.

They're way bigger. They're 5,000. They must be tall. Huge. Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. So how we've been doing it, we meet, we have breakfast at 6, head out at 7 because we're

fishing inshore, fish until, I don't know, noon or so. Clean fish. Vax seal fish. We got a freezer truck parked down here. So everybody, all of our guests, they get all their fish cleaned up. We Vax seal all their fish with them.

Their fish go into their little storage bin. And then they left today and they take all their fish boxes. Yeah. Did you guys see any of the fish boxes going out? Did anybody have a full-on 50-pound box? I carried several of them this morning. There were 50-pound boxes?

That's awesome. Well, I don't know if they were 50 pounds, but they were pretty heavy. I mean, the boxes that I carried this morning were not light. There was a lot of fish in there. that's inshore fish right well i would i would just say this about this experience uh the second day that we fished i i've spent a lot of time fishing in my life i don't know if i've ever seen so many fish come into the boat in one like half day we were we were fishing this uh trout hole and it was like a double dropper so it was two swim baits you know two feet apart whatever you drop them to the bottom and there were four of us fishing in that boat and there were like

multiple times where we all we had eight fish all all doubles in the boat at the same time and you think about how quickly you can you can rack up some numbers catch eight fish at a time it was crazy yeah you guys were over a hundred trout that day right we went over yeah because there were specks and there was the the silvers or the white white trout there's no limit on white trout no no um we went over that with the graph and it was a wall of fish in like a like a 19 foot hole and he the guide showed it to me on the graph and i was like holy cow and then we started dropping down and the competition down there there was a guy on this trip named andy who was he made me feel inferior as a fisherman that guy could catch fish like it he didn't even try and i looked at him at one point and he was i could

tell he had a fish biting and he's like i can tell that's a little one so i'm gonna let it swim around until it spits it and a big one usually hits it after and i was like this guy's sorting fish on the bottom of the bayou before he brings them in. Yeah, he was wild. I was fishing with Andy yesterday, and he outfitted everyone. Did he make you feel like less of a man? Yeah. And then I was spending a few hours talking with him here at dinner in the evening and realized that the man fishes a lot.

He's the guy we gave the hot stick award to. Yeah. So it's not because he's got a lucky horseshoe up his butt. He actually has skills. He does a lot of fishing in the U.P. Yeah. He's good. He's good at stick award too. Yeah. So it's not because he's got a lucky horseshoe up his butt. He actually has skills. He does a lot of fishing in the U.P. He's good. Yeah. He's good.

He's good at trivia too. Yeah. Smart fellow. We had a great crew down here, man. Everybody laughed a lot. I thought it was fun. Yeah. It was a great time.

No, it was a good time. And in a little bit, we got another crew coming. Yeah. A couple more hours. Yeah. Within 12 hours, I'll be catching another crew coming. Yeah. A couple hours. Yeah. Within 12 hours, I'll be catching another redfish.

Really? Yeah. Probably. Check your watch. All right. 18. Yeah. It's going to be a late night.

Yanni's got the early shift tomorrow. 18 hours. All right, everybody. Thanks for joining. See you soon. Bye. Bye.

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