The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 616: MeatEater Radio Live! A Bear-Doggy Door, Rut Report, and the Biggest Smallmouth

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Randall Williams, Brody Henderson, Seth Morris, and Phil Taylor.  Guests: Curt Scheewe of British Columbia, Canada, Mark Kenyon, Jason Phelps, and Smallmouth Bass record holder Dante Piraino.  Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This one-hour variety show will feature call-in guests, We'll see you next time. me, Steve, Yanni, Cal, and the rest of the Meat Eater crew every Thursday at 11 a.m. Mountain Time on the Meat Eater Podcast Network YouTube channel. And remember, it's live, so anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the Meat Eater Podcast. Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time on Thursday, October 24th, and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by Brody Henderson and Seth Morris. We've got yet another great show for you today. We've got a rut report from the one and only Mark Kenyon. We've got one minute fishing. We're going to do a little show and tell. And we've got another hot tip-off. But before we get to all that, we're going to talk to a man who built a doggy door for a bear. You like that, Phil?

Yes. It's a great sentence. Brody, Seth, how are you guys doing today? Fantastic. Getting a little excited for rifle opener here in Montana? It's almost here. Saturday. Very close.

Very close. Can't wait. And Brody, you just got out this past weekend. Yeah, I'm not even going out this weekend. We just got off the youth hunt and four families, four groups of kids, six kids total, killed six

bucks in a day and a half. Pretty impressive. Some real stone cold killers out there. And that satiated your deer hunting bug for a little bit. Yeah, I'm not going to hunt deer until the rut kicks in around here in mid-November. Nice. Yeah. That's a good feeling to have that freezer partially filled.

Oh, yeah. Well. You got a moose in the freezer. Oh, yeah. It's like way. Never mind. Yeah. Your freezer is stuffed.

You probably got a second one going already. Yeah, but I'm not in any rush. Well, a quick reminder for our listeners. We are going to be doing a Q&A halfway through and then again at the end of the show. So if you got a question or a comment or you want us to address whatever is on your mind, please feel free to drop that in the chat. Yeah. And on that note, we actually just got a really pertinent question from Bart.

He's asking, does Brody know that he lost trivia? Oh, that's a great question, Bart. Brody, a few weeks ago when Giannis hosted trivia, there was a question about, what's the word, the term? A certain type of hibernation that animals go through. Yeah, it was the reptile one. Yeah, but it also actually applies to amphibians. And so my answer of salamander was, in fact, correct.

And so you and I should not have gone to the tiebreaker that you then won. So, in fact, I won that game. Right. Well, you know, you got to win one once in a while, buddy. It feels good. It's been kind of rough for you lately. Delayed gratification is still gratification. All right, well, we are going to turn now to our first guest, Kurt Shewey,

who's coming to us live from North Vancouver, British Columbia. Kurt, welcome to the show. Good morning, guys. Thank you. How are you doing? Very good. Excellent. So Kurt, you know, a lot of us have had issues as homeowners with wildlife and all sorts of other creatures, but you have a particularly interesting example that you're going to share with us today. Can you tell us a little bit about the issue you had and how you solved it? Yeah. Okay. So the issue was we moved here 10 years ago and the fence on either side was pretty old and it had these big holes in it. We weren't really

sure why. So I patched them up. Within weeks, we realized we're on a bare root and he just kept punching through the fence, leaving the holes. So he'd go through and break it. I'd fix it. So I just eventually stopped and left it open. Was this a black bear or grizzly bear? Yeah, black bear. There's probably three or four that hang around the area, but there's this one big one that the last two years he comes by consistently, probably two or three times a week from June to September. And this is just his route.

He's claimed it. Well, we're on his route, and it wasn't a big deal. I had my night cameras where we'd watch him. We'd see him during the day sometimes. It wasn't a big deal until a month ago. We put in a new fence all the way down on the south side, an eight-foot cedar. I think you can see the picture right now. Yeah.

He either climbed it or he'd go around right just i didn't think he'd break it uh but within two days my wife and i are sitting watching netflix maybe 7 p.m and we look over and i just see the the sheet the pine boards just being punched out i go around and out and he's out there just punching up the boards out he didn't wreck anything, which was fantastic. But you can see the picture. He knocked the whole panel out and then just went on his way. And I chased him off the driveway. He couldn't care less. And so we're on a route.

He goes from the river, which we back onto, up to the street, and he goes through our yard. Gotcha. Kurt, is this bear messing with anything other than your fence, or he's just just messing the fence up as he comes by he just the fence he wants food like I've got a dog he doesn't bother we've got kids he doesn't bother I used to have chickens he doesn't bother them he's lazy he's fat he just wants food and he wants bug him and he just goes on his way so so tell us about how you uh how you solved this issue

so i'm outside and uh i see the broken panel and i'm like i'm not gonna just leave it open i've got a new fence now paid good money so i just left a three foot by three foot opening uh for a couple of days but yeah there you see it now yeah then I'm like hey but raccoons every coyotes everything else my dog neighbors kids can get through I'm like I don't want to just leave it open so my wife's like that's just let's put a doggy door or a cat door but we'll make it a bear door and I'm by no means a carpenter or handyman so I'm like okay cool Saturday project I go to Rona whatever from Depot buy some hinges it round one doesn't work at all so that I just take a day off a little frustrated that I

grab some copper pipe put it in and on the top and then it starts to swing and my buddy of mine as a joke I was doing he sends me the bear sign so Amazon package shows up I crack it open it's this bear sign I'm like oh the hell and it's it was him as a joke because this whole thing is a joke we're not thinking this is gonna work yeah so put the sign on the door and I set my RLO security camera up right above it on my house because this this is about 10 feet from my front door mm-hmm and well we'll see if it works it's a long shot but we didn't expect anything to happen and sure enough like maybe 10 days later we catch the video of him going through and it's the coolest thing ever

and uh oh that's fantastic that's amazing just so that's on my neighbor's side yeah i put a camera on my neighbor's side too so there's another video i don't I think I sent it is where he actually walks up and he taps on the on the bear sign to kind of test it uh-huh it's hilarious I get the video it's like 6 in the morning when I get up get the video and send it to my neighbor who sends it to the bear society local bear society Canadians are really nice so we want to just make sure everybody's happy. Yeah. They posted on Instagram and it just explodes. And I'm not on Instagram or TikTok. It explodes in the neighborhood. And then Global News calls me.

They put me on TV to do an interview. And then CBC News calls me. They posted on TikTok and Instagram. Within like four days, it's got over five million views and then now I'm I'm asked being asked to talk about it on a regular basis and my kids are having a blast because this was just a joke and it's just it's gone viral their dad he's almost 50 has gone viral and so we're all Thursday then we're at about 900,000 views. My sister texts me.

She's like, Kurt, you're at like 950,000 views on this bear video of yours. So I start watching it and just refresh, refresh. My girls come home from school. It's getting closer to a million, closer to a million. And then it crosses a million views. And we start jumping around, hugging, celebrating. And then we're kind of like, now what? Is Jimmy Fallon going to call?

What's changed here? Do we look differently? Do we call someone? What should we do? And we just have a total blast with it. And my 15 minutes of fame is almost over. But we're riding this out. It's been really fun.

That's great. So have you seen any other bears or any other wildlife interested in using the door? Or is it just the big guy? Just the bear a couple dogs. He tried it Won't go through because even if they can't push it they're gonna get pinched. Yeah Probably some of the most fun is when I went on to check talk hearing how the Americans the American Nope onto TikTok, hearing how the Americans, the Americans. Nope. Breaking up with Kurt here.

This guy's so awesome. Oh, sorry. We lost you for just a second. You said the Americans, and then we lost you there. Yeah, fill in the blank. You could go anywhere you want with it. The options are endless. No, the Americans, the comments the americans left versus the canadians

the canadians are all like oh this guy's so great hugs and kisses and i'm gonna do that in my yard with my bear and the americans are like um didn't this guy have a bullet and this is like a typical canadian what doesn't he have any guns yep it's an it's an interesting uh sociological experiment typically in this situation that bear would get a name have you have you named him yet we named him fat ass just because he i love it that's perfect name for that bear have you uh have you had any contact with the local uh fish and game agency or the wildlife managers in that area what do they think of it no we haven't but that's intentional on our

part because in north vancouver there's the two extremes people will like leave food out because they want to see the bear the other extreme is they call the conservation officer at like any whiff of a bear oh yeah and so we don't call and we don't leave food out. So we're trying to just keep it quiet. Like enjoy the fact that the bears in our yard on a regular basis. So no, We have a, Kurt, we've got a question from Trevor. He says he thinks you're pretty good with animals after this whole thing.

Do you have a history with any animals or livestock? Yeah. nice question. Yes, I have a history of livestock. It's got a very good history. I'm glad my wife isn't here to answer this question, but I've had donkeys and goats in the past, but it didn't go well and we didn't have them for very long. I'm not a farmer. Well, I mean, it's got to be real satisfying when you see the bear go through the door. Do you have any other, I mean, a tree house? What's next for you? You're just going to enjoy the door for a little while? So this is the south side of our yard.

The north side of my yard is also on this route and currently has a broken fence. And so we booked a guy to come build us a new one on the north side. So I'm going to build a bear door on the north side as well because he again he comes in from the north yeah he's on the south well i've got another door to build is this bear visiting every day pretty much is he pretty consistent yeah two to three times a week and he like i saw him this morning uh much further from my house and any time of day he's just like today's garbage day where the bins are out so he'll be up he'll be walking up the street knocking bins over um and just again really slow really laid back just doing this thing looking for food doesn't bug anybody some people

freak out and others kind of just watch him and film him he's just a nice canadian bear just that bear would be in trouble south of the border yeah yeah well I'm glad he's not there with you guys I'm glad he's up there with you guys yeah and then when your studio reached out I wanted to make it clear like I'm not shooting this bear I'm not gonna put him up a mother wall as long as we understand that, yeah, I'm not a hunter. I'm not some guns, but I'm no hunter. Very cool. Well, thank you for sharing your story with us, Kurt, and thanks for joining us today, and good luck to you with that bear.

Fencing is expensive, so I hope he doesn't take any more panels out. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks very much, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Kurt. All right. Next, our next segment is the rut report oh shoot you know what i totally forgot to make a drop for this um are you are you this is really it tells me to pause for sound well here's the thing here's the thing is i can't go on it's

actually a really funny story because i'm just can't believe it's actually i can't go on it's actually a really funny story because i'm just oh i love that nicely shucks, Randall. I got Rickrolled. Nicely played, Phil. Nicely played. Thank you. I live my life on the internet like it's 2009. Don't we all? Beautiful, beautiful time back then. The Rudd Report is where Mark Kenyon gives a whitetail hunting forecast for each region.

Take it away, Mark. Hey, guys. Mark Kenyon here with Wired Hunt coming at you with the rut report for October 24th 2024 and as you can see I am in my truck just got out of the tree want to get you the latest report and what I'm seeing out here today what I've been hearing from folks across the country is that things are about to get much better for many of us across the country the last seven days or so have been pretty slow. There's been a very warm, stable period of weather,

but that's about to change. In the coming few days, there's a cold front moving across at least the northern half of the country, which is going to trigger more daylight activity. And that is all on top of the fact that as we enter the last week of October, Buck's testosterone levels, at least for that northern two-thirds of the nation,

those testosterone levels are rising, and we are nearing the peak of scraping activity. We are nearing the peak of those bucks feeling rambunctious and ready to go, but we still don't have very many, if any, does ready to breed. That's about to happen for much of the country here any day now but maybe not quite yet so those bucks are out there searching for that first doe they are on the prowl they're making scrapes this is the peak of scraping activity for the entire year likely they are becoming more susceptible to calls and they're absolutely moving more in daylight in the south that's going to be a little bit different as there's variable rut dates for many parts of the southern tier. But if you are north of the Mason-Dixon

line, for sure the next 7 to 14 days is going to be exciting. I'm excited. That gets me fired up. Oh yeah. I can feel my testosterone levels rising. All right. Our next segment is One Minute Fishing Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Go ahead Make my cast One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing

And they have one minute to catch a fish And if they're successful We'll make a a 500 donation to a conservation group this week our angler is chris macaluso who's on lake ponchatrain in louisiana and he is fishing for a donation to trcp chris welcome to the show what's going on fellas how are y'all oh doing fantastic Looks like a beautiful day up there. Oh, man, it is gorgeous. You know, if I had my druthers, it'd be about 8 or 10 degrees cooler because it's warm down here for late October.

But gorgeous, man. Not a cloud in the sky. A little bit of bees blowing. Catching a fish here and there. Not a bad day. What are you going for today, C-Mac? Well, you know, just about anything that bites that's the cool thing about the lake pontchartrain area is it's it's fresh water it's salt water it's brackish you know it could be just about anything so just as an example we've caught largemouth bass speckled trout croaker um we haven't caught a redfish yet but

we did catch a blue catfish we caught an alligator gar uh but we've caught a big variety of fish and the cool thing is this time of year the fish are really keying in on shrimp the white shrimp start to come out of the marsh this time of year. And that's what just about everything in this basin eats, including the bass and the catfish and everything like that. So it's just always one of my favorite times of year to be out on the water, especially in this area. Lovely. What are you rigged up? What's your rig there, Chris? Well, we fished a variety

of things but as i mentioned today you know as i mentioned earlier the fish are really keying in on shrimp so i'm fishing a voodoo shrimp which is a plastic shrimp imitation bait i'll stick in front of the camera here let's see if folks can see it oh yeah voodoo shrimp about two and a half three feet under a popping fantastic and usually i'll fish that voodoo shrimp just not under the cork this time of year just kind of free lining it but things have slowed down a little bit our tide quit moving about an hour ago and the fish really have stopped more or less. So I'm not all that optimistic about my one-minute challenge. Yeah, that doesn't bode well for a 60-second contest here. Lua, let us know, are you ready to go for your one minute?

I am ready to go, man. Let's see if we can make this happen. I'm in a spot where I've caught a couple of trout, and I've caught a couple of catfish in here already. So let's see if we can get another one to bite real quick. All righty. We'll reel up, and we will begin our timer when you cast. All right.

Here we go. Here we go. Chris McAloosa, one- go. Here we go. Chris McAloosa, one-minute fishing for TRCP. Here we go. I will say that today's not really reflective of how good the fishing has been. You know, you guys, the meat-eater crew was all down at Burris a couple weeks ago, and I was down there at the same time. And I'm hoping y'all's experience was similar to the one that I had,

where we just fought pretty much whatever we wanted to, despite some tough conditions. So let's see what we can make happen here. Phil, how are we doing on time? Got about 20 seconds left. 20 seconds on the clock. Oh, man. Pop that cork.

Pop it. 20 seconds. The pressure. I don't know if I can deal with the pressure, fellas. It'll be over soon. Don't worry. Oh, I just had a bite. Oh. I just had a bite.

The cork went down and came straight back up. Oh. Oh! Oh, that's the time right there. That's your time, 60 seconds. We'll have to get you back on here, C-Mac. Man, I'd be happy to any time. I mean, you know, I will like to, you know, throw in a plug for TRCP. I mean, we're doing so much good work in the marine fishery space right now,

in addition to all the other great work that the organization's doing on public lands and water and everything else that we work on. But, you know, we're really making some headway on forage fish conservation, making some headway on improving data collection for federal fisheries, and doing a lot of good habitat restoration advocacy, especially in Louisiana and up and down the Mississippi River Basin. So I'd be happy to join you guys anytime to talk about any of that stuff. Wonderful. Well, hopefully you won't catch too much flack on the Monday morning leadership call for failing to secure that $500 donation. But please know that you're welcome back at any point. Yeah, I don't suspect I'm going to get a pink slip or anything,

but I appreciate the opportunity. But they did just catch you out fishing on a Thursday. Well, hey, look. I mean. Nope, he's gone. We lost him back there. Oh, no. Oh, that's disappointing. I always enjoy a chance to chat with my friend Chris there.

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Welcome to the OnX club, y'all. MeatEater Radio Live is the newest addition to the Meat Eater Podcast feed. Every Thursday at 11 a.m. Mountain Time, we'll be going live from Meat Eater HQ on the Meat Eater Podcast Network YouTube channel. This one-hour variety show will feature call-in guests, segments, and live feedback from the Meat Eater audience. Then, on Friday morning, the episode will be available in audio form on the Meat Eater Podcast feed.

So come hang with me, Steve, Yanni, Cal, and the rest of the Mediator crew every Thursday at 11 a.m. Mountain Time on the Mediator podcast network YouTube channel. And remember, it's live, so anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Phil, do we have any listener feedback for today? Yeah. Anything that needs addressing here? Sure, I've got a couple things here.

This question's for Seth. Oh. Are you planning to participate in any fishing competitions with Chester in the near future? Thank you for your answer. I don't know. Now that Chester's in Wisconsin, I'd like to get back and fish with those top-notch fishermen

in the upper Midwest. So hopefully we can make some tournaments happen in Wisconsin. Does the competition aspect of it, is that appealing to you? Or is it just another excuse to like get out on the water X number of days a summer? It's pretty appealing. I'm not like a very competitive person. But when I was fishing those competitions here in Montana, it, it made the fishing just like that much more fun.

Get your blood boiling. Yeah. You know, just trying to, especially when you're fishing against a bunch of really good fishermen. Yeah. It's like, you just want to, you just want to do good. Just makes you fish harder, makes you fish smarter. That's how I feel every day I come in this office.

Just want to do good. This is a question for Randall. Yeah. It's from Matthew. Has there been any interest or thought on an audio book on the history of houndsmen? Has this been a discussion with Steve? There are groups in Texas trying to change management for mountain lions and the stuff in Colorado. Oh yeah. Lots going on in the hound hunting and mountain lion hunting world. We have not actually talked about an audio book specifically on the history of houndsmen. We are working right now on the Mountain Men audio book. And then we have a whole slate of audio projects,

history-based audio projects coming out until I've, you know, I'll be 41, I think, by the point we do all that. So if you don't know how old I am, that probably doesn't mean anything to you. It also means you probably didn't watch the episode I hosted on my birthday, but, uh, yeah, no, that would be a great topic. Um, and I'm not sure that I can think of any resources out there, uh, that I've encountered that would cover that history, um, specifically about hound hunting, but it's certainly a fascinating subject.

Yeah, sure. Troy asks that he loves the meat eater movie review. Uh, has there ever been any discussion about book reviews on the live show? I'll pipe in here first and I'll say, uh, we're probably not going to do books on the live show. Um, just because movies are a lot more digestible and we can, and more people can watch them before we do the live show. The truth is, Troy, we have trouble getting people to read emails, much less works of fiction and nonfiction. If you listen to the Meteor podcast, occasionally we do a segment called Steve Reads Books so you don't have to. Those are usually books that you probably don't want to read anyway, unless you're a guy like Steve, which, Hey, maybe you are,

but, uh, but yeah, I don't know. Maybe we'll do like a more legitimate book reviews. Yeah. We appreciate the love for the, for the movie club.

It's very fun. It's one of the highlights of my, uh, professional life. So, uh, yeah, maybe we'll have to think about books in the future.

I saw another comment there for, uh, Montana walleye Tour in caps. Just saying. Oh, yeah. The people want it. Montana Walleye Tour period. You got to give the people what they want. Sounds like the people want it.

It sounds like. I'll write that down and we'll just send that upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. I can only speak for myself, but the people want it. Yeah. Great. Keep sending in questions.

We'll do this again at the end of the show and um yeah let's move it along here thank you phil our next segment is show and tell me Me neither, show him death. Whoa. Me neither, show him death. Spencer brought a rock. What else did you expect? Oh, sorry about that. Just lost in the moment. It's that synth.

It's that synthesizer. It's so rich. Oh, yeah, it's incredible. It's so rich. It's like a hearty meal. Just really quick. Tyler says, thank God Spencer isn't here with his rocks. Oh, I think we've got something much better than rocks to share with you today.

Seth. We do. You're up first. What did you bring in today for show and tell? I, over the years, have been collecting shell casings. And I got a handful of them here these are my the ones that i have deemed to be the more interesting ones that i've found over the years um so let's see where do i want to start let's start with this one this one is head stamped um 30 army super speed

and this one i found in a deep deep dark spot on the Rocky Mountain front actually me and my buddy Rick hunting um we're hunting way back in there one day and almost got cliffed out in a spot and we were kind of trying to pick our way up through this really sketchy cliffy area and I threw my foot up on a rock and heard some metal clinging. And I looked down and this rifle casing was sitting there and just one, just one. And I, I like, I just thought to myself,

like, you know what? Maybe we're not the only people that got ourselves into this shitty situation. That's, that's the only place I like to find cigarette butts. It's just like in a really weird place in the woods. Yeah.

Um, the next one I got here is head stamped 7.9 FS 1939. And it has TC on it with the little, it's like the crescent moon with the star. I really don't know a whole lot about it. I've done some research, and it looks like it's Turkish ammo. Yeah. A lot of those eastern bloc countries use those rounds, too. Yeah, so I found this in Montana on the edge of a meadow,

and there was about five of them sitting there in a pile. So someone was either doing some target practice or some bad hunting. I think they were shooting a bull and just- Yeah, wanted to get him down. Just pump him until he's done type of thing. At least that's what I think. Got another one here that just says SL45, so St. Louis Armory, 1945. This one I found laying right next to a stone point. Oh, wild.

In Montana. Must have got a good hunting spot. A.30-06, I believe. .30-06, yeah. This one, from my understanding, was home from world war ii from my great grandfather um he fought in battle of the bulge it's uh head stamped ra for remington arms 1943. it's 50 cal 50 bmg um and then this one is my favorite i have no clue what it is. It seems to be like a big bore Buffalo cartridge. No head stamping at all.

It just has a tiny little pinhole in it. So not a real, not a modern primer pocket. No. Not a centerfire primer. If anyone knows what this could be, please reach out. Throw it in the chat. You haven't like figured out even what caliber it is?

No. Which one of these is it, Seth? The one on the left there. Yeah, it doesn't have a centerfire primer pocket. It doesn't have a centerfire primer pocket. I have no clue what it is.

Someone out there in the internet knows. I found it in what would have been Crow territory in Montana. It's got to be an old cartridge. Yeah. Hard to say what it is, but yeah, I found that when I was antelope hunting

about three years ago. And the aggregate of your collection, how many do you have at home these are just the highlights um got a bucket i have about peanut butter jar 10 or 12 i do have a jar of like shell casings of either critters i've killed or just like random ones i've found um but yeah these are kind of the cooler ones that i have. Well, thanks for bringing them in. Appreciate it. Brody, what did you bring for us today? Well, Seth brought bullet cartridges and I brought guns.

Guns that'll make you glad you have the guns you can buy now. We are living in the golden age. We'll start with this beauty here, which is a model 67 Winchester 22. These, this was my dad's first gun. I think he got it used. Um, so he would have got it like probably in the early fifties. It was made probably in the forties,

um, sold for like six bucks back then. Single shot Winchester 22. I shot a lot of red squirrels with this, with this little sucker. I like that the, the screw holding the barreled action into the stock is just a big thumb screw. Yep. Yeah.

You don't need any tools to take it apart. At some point, my, my dad had a scope on here. I never had a scope. Um, and it's actually got it. it's tapped at like 10 o'clock. Yep. But we had to make a rear sight for it, which is like, it's not well done, but man, I shot it pretty well when I was a little kid. And that's just like a single shot? Yep.

That's cool. You do the old, it's not loaded folks. It looks like an old farm implement. And cock it back. So you cock it. Yeah. You pull that spring back that's oh wow safety yeah right and then you uh you shouldn't shouldn't dry fire rimfire guns but

yeah that was it it's a real safe gun for a kid to learn on that's cool very cool and then my first like real deer rifle i think i started hunt hunting with, uh, sorry, Corinne, I was pointing at you. It looks like when you, if you drifted over here a little bit, it looks like you're holding the muzzle up to my head. Yep. Um, yeah, I think I started off with a shotgun, but this is my first real rifle and it's a Winchester model 94 30 30, 30, like millions of deer hunters started out with a version of this rifle. This one was made before 1983 when Winchester went to a side eject and angle eject this, this comes out right out the top, right in your face.

You know, if you're cranking awesome shots at running deer, which was common back in the day. Oh, yeah, that definitely happened. It's kind of a pain, really. And because it's a top eject, you can see these old cheap scope mounts that are on here. You had to mount the scope offset, so you have to, like, lean over to the side to look through the scope.

So, yeah, it's a relic and, uh, I'm glad I still have it. Very cool, man. That is, there's a lot of Pennsylvania deer hunters that ran that same setup for many years. Yeah. I still want to, I want to take it out and kill something with it. I'd be a great lion gun. Yeah. Yeah.

Great lion gun. Yeah. Yeah. Be a great lion gun. Yep. Well, for, for my show until today, I brought this, uh, book and this is a book that I got. Uh, it was in my grandfather's stuff. It's called the gods were kind by William Willis. And inside it is inscribed, uh, to Bjarne J. Maltu, who's my grandfather, Norwegian, if you are curious about the name, who is chief mate on the SS Kedarek, the last ship I served as a seaman, a partner, friend and great shipmate with good wishes, every good wish, William Willis, 1956. And I found this and I didn't really know what it was I'd never heard of this guy But it's the story of him sailing alone With his parrot and his cat

From South America to American Samoa On a raft made of seven balsa logs So he went down to South America He picked out seven balsa trees They cut them down And then he just went to Samoa At age 61 What's the nautical mile what's the distance on that

little sailing trip 6 700 miles on a homemade raft on a homemade raft uh and then wild the best part is he after he wrote this book uh and again this is just like one of those characters you discover after he wrote this book at the age of 71 he sailed 10 000 miles from south america to australia and then at age 74 he disappeared while uh trying to cross the atlantic the north atlantic uh at age 74 two out of three ain't bad no not bad at all uh they found his boat um he was not on it but they found his uh his ship's log so wow interesting character and this book is uh is has significance to me because it's where i first learned that uh mahi mahi were also called dolphin because i was reading this book at like 12 years

old and i was like man he's killing a lot of dolphins he's just like he's like i caught some more dolphins i saw some dolphins i killed them i just like, he's like, I caught some more dolphins. I saw some dolphins. I killed them. I ate them. It's like, I started baiting some hooks with dolphin heads. And I just thought this was very, very strange. And, uh, and so, yeah, that, that opened my eyes to, uh, the nomenclature that we use for that fish. Um, I have another, uh, sort of silly show and tell Phil, if you'll bring that picture up, this photo is the other thing I'd like to share with you guys. Uh, this week we are recording, uh, meat eaters, American history, volume two about the mountain men. And this photo was taken by yours truly on Tuesday after a lunch of Thai food.

And Steve laid down and he attempted to use the helmet as a pillow, but the exterior of the helmet he found the shell was too hard. So he thought, I wonder if it feels good if I put my head in there, which he did. And then he proceeded to take a 10 minute catnap on this very carpeted floor. So please know that we are hard at work on the next volume of Meteor's American History. And Steve did say, because he ate a bunch of noodles and he said,

I thought marathon runners eat a bunch of noodles before they run marathons. How do they do that? And I said, I think you're supposed to do it the night before. They're not hawking down spaghetti like immediately before the race. So everybody learned something that day.

All righty. Our next segment is a hot tip off. Hot tip off time. Hot tip off is where two members of the crew go head-to-head with competing pieces of advice. And after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. Take it away, Phil. Mark Kenyon. Hey guys, Mark Kenyon here for another Hot Tip-Off.

And here's my suggestion for you. Pay more attention to tracks if you are out there hunting whitetails trying to kill a buck especially a mature buck it's really useful to know exactly what you're looking for when you're trying to figure out is this doe track is the buck track is this a big old mature buck track the best way I found to learn how to identify a mature buck track is to actually get a real mature buck hoof and test it for yourself now this is obviously not a real mature buck hoof I don't have that but what I have done in the past is taken off the hoof of a mature

buck I've killed and then go take it and press it into the dirt press it into mud press it in at different angles go to different types of locations and see what that buck's hoof print actually looked like in real life and then you will know yourself this kind of buck makes that kind of track it's an incredible and simple way to get better identifying mature buck tracks and you can do it if you kill at least one mature buck in your life save that hoof test it out see what a mature buck print looks like in the rain see what it looks like in the dusty sandy soil it's very interesting very helpful Jason Phelps I'm Jason Phelps and here's my hot tip here in New Mexico archery elk hunting it's been getting

pretty windy in the evenings you know from about three to five and so one thing I wanted to share is how I'm planning my evening hunts and even my morning hunts is I will put a waypoint where I think those elk are at and I'll add wind to that point so I can see what the active wind is doing you know for instance right now it's blowing seven miles an hour out of the southwest. I then add in what are the thermals doing is the sun hitting that face um what are the creek draws is there running water um you know how the wind could be affecting it and then i'll plan my approach that way um that way there's no chance those elk are ever gonna you know smell me so yeah i'm always looking at that wind i'm checking when i get up in the morning before i go to an area. Maybe I have to go to an area a different direction than is the easiest direction.

So add those waypoints. Plan your hunts that way. And you're never going to fool an elk's nose. So I'm always using this to make sure my approaches are good as I'm calling my way into elk, as I'm approaching elk, as I'm hunting elk just in general. You know, even for rifle hunters that are still hunting, this is even more important. You know, at least I can hear these elk. So, um, that's my hot tip. Use Onyx, um, waypoints and the wind feature. And, uh, I think you're going to, you know, you'll find it very useful. Um, it's been pretty spot on this entire hunt. All righty. Two hot tips there.

Before you guys weigh in, and I hope you consider the two tips you've just heard, I saw perhaps what is my favorite listener comment of all time here. Someone commented in regards to the mustache list, Mark Kenyon. Is this Mark's estranged teenage son? Yes.

Mark does look quite young when he gets rid of his facial hair. Michael also asked why we keep showing this little kid and does he have working papers? Oh, it's a crying shame that Mark got rid of his mustache. Yeah, I don't know what labor law is in Michigan, but yeah, we could run into some hot water if we keep showing Mark without his mustache there. Thank you both for those comments.

That really made my day. All right. We have a lot of votes for Phelps already, just to get in front of this. All right, Seth, what are your thoughts here? Well, not a very popular opinion around these parts, but I like whitetails more than elk. So I'm going with the young boy, Mark Kenyon. But is that, I mean, are you considering the actual utility of the tip?

Yeah, the tracks. Nope. Knowing what a big whitetail track looks like is very helpful. All right. Yeah. Brody? I got to go with felt because it's just applicable to way more than elk that's true it's like all you know name a big game species and that

tip is you can apply it yep yep what i appreciated the most about mark's tip was i imagined him rolling around a golf bag with different aged hoofs in it because he's like he's like you want to get a big buck hoof this this is just this is another buck's hoof he has a cat he's like i'll take the uh three and a half year old yeah he doesn't shoot young ones so he wouldn't have those in his golf bag exactly yeah he's got he doesn't have that many big buck hoofs laying around, but yeah, I really enjoyed that. I have to agree, I think with Brody and what seems to be the consensus of the audience here. I like, I like the tip from Phelps. I do think, uh, you know, a tip that you can carry with you in any different situation just makes you better as a hunter. Spot and stock, walk into a tree stand in the dark like that tip will work it's not just an elk hunting you know

tip uh i guess you could do the uh the white tail tip with elk and you know bear hunting but it's a lot of weight to haul around. Yeah. Yeah. A little, a little bigger hoof. Yeah. Yeah. All righty. So Phelps won. Phelps won. Hey. Congratulations to Jason Phelps. He wins nothing.

He doesn't win anything? Can't, he can't make a donation to? Hey, no, we ran out of money. All right. Because of you, you just got too many perfect games,

Randall. Oh, I forgot about that. Thanks, Phil. Yeah. Yeah. We had,

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OnXMaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the OnX club, y'all. Our next guest today is dante pereno uh he's coming to us live from baldwinsville new york and dante recently caught a state record smallmouth bass but chose to release it before the new york department of environmental conservation could inspect the fish and verify the record dante welcome to. Hey guys, thanks for having me on. So Dante, thanks for joining us. I understand you had a pretty good day on the water about a month ago. Can you tell us what you were doing that morning and how things started out?

Yeah, so it was a New York Bass Nation Federation tournament out of Ogdensburg. So it's on the St. Lawrence and it runs about 100 miles to the mouth of Lake Ontario and it was probably like a 75 mile run to where I was going and it was an area that I wasn't really familiar with I just found it Friday morning before I was bringing my grandfather a load of frozen walleye before the tournament that weekend it was it was a shortened day friday but i had to make sure he was taken care of and then uh yeah it was honestly pretty crazy rolled in there and caught two small ones and i was debating about leaving and i was kind of waiting for the lake to lay down a little bit and uh hooked that hooked into that giant fish and that kept me around for pretty much the rest

of the day before i had to make the run back can you tell us a little bit about uh the technique you're using or the lure tackle or anything like that yeah so i was using garmin live scope out in about 30 feet and kind of just tracking them down and there wasn't a lot of fish around but i was using a a 3 8 ounce ned rig paired with a Berkeley Maxent flat nose minnow. Nice. So it's real small, subtle presentation and just utilizing electronics to find them and hunt them down.

But I was throwing it on a seven foot medium fantasy to premiere Abu Garcia with a Revo rocket. So I assume you knew you, you knew you had tied into something pretty big when you hooked it but like what was the reaction when you saw it next to the boat yeah i i knew i thought it was like a six pounder like i knew it was like a good one because it was fighting it was fighting hard and obviously it was pretty heavy and then i was alone i didn't have a co-angler so i i netted it myself and then once i tried to flop it in with like one arm with the net and laid it down and

go to fizz it. I don't know if you're familiar with fizzing, but catching fish from deep water. So I threw it on the live well lid and then it was like covered up the whole live well lid and it was a, it was a freak. Could you explain the fizzing for folks that might not be familiar with it? Yeah. So I like to relate it to like, if you were to go swimming in a pool or swimming anywhere and you go to try to swim to the bottom, like you're, you'll feel that pressure on your ears. Like it's a similar thing with, with fish, they have an air

bladder. So whenever you, you don't even have to really pull them out of deep water, but essentially whenever a fish comes up and change in elevation happens really quick, then their air bladder will like puff up. You keep them out of the water for like maybe more than a minute to 30 seconds so use like a little needle with a plastic insert from new york's barbelly it makes like the best one in my opinion but you basically prick the fish in this air bladder like four spine over lined up with the anal pore just basically directly behind their one fin and you'll lay them in the water in the live well kind of in your hand and level them out and you'll release the air and it'll bubble out but you want

to make sure you prick it obviously in the right in the right place and you'll let it bubble out and just kind of hold it in your hands like this until the fish will right itself and then once it writes itself then it should be good to live all day because i mean i caught that fish early and that was my first thing was like i was thinking i was like i gotta keep this thing alive because it was early on in the day and i had a 80 mile run back it was a hot summer day yeah and just so folks are clear i know like in alaska you're required to uh pop the air bladder on some of those fish before you release them but this is not required you're just doing this this is an extra step you're taking to make sure that fish survives yeah yeah i mean it's true it's preached more and more in tournaments up here because there's a lot of folks that fish tournaments on the saint

lawrence and more and more that are coming to that aren't accustomed to catching deep small mouth or deep fish wherever yeah so we're gonna try to preach that the best we can to keep this fishery healthy yeah in alaska we're required to carry what's called a deep release. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Basically, they come up, like you'll catch a rockfish, comes up, its bladder's hanging out of its mouth, eyes are all puffed out, and then you release, you basically send them back to the bottom with a bunch of weight.

Yep, that's what I was thinking of. Yeah, I misspoke. The deep release rig. Dante, I mean, did you know it was a small mouth the whole time or were you curious at all like what do i have on here are you just like this is a big smallie just business as usual i was hoping it wasn't a drum like it crossed through my head that it might be a drum just because it was like the way it was fighting was coming all the way to the boat and then swimming all the way back down so you'll run into freshwater drum or sheephead

sheep's head is what other people call them but i was pretty certain it was it was a bass just the way you could kind of feel them shaking their head whenever you're fighting them so usually the drum do like a couple real long runs but the bass tend to like i don't know you can you catch a lot of them you're in the zone you can almost feel like they're the head shape and it feels like a bass but gotcha i was just hoping that it was and it wasn't a drone basically so you so then you kept fishing for the day yeah so i was in point standing wise it's like three cumulative tournaments and they take the top six in the state and i was like behind in the stand so i needed to catch like 28 to 30 pounds in order to to make the top six so i knew as soon as i caught that i need to catch like four more minimum five pounders in order to even have a shot so it was just like fizzed it

threw in the live well checked like five minutes later to make sure it was standing up straight and looked healthy as a horse so just kept going throughout the day and it was pretty pretty crazy day full of emotions so the the the record has not crossed your mind yet you're just solely focused on that that total at the end of the day yeah i didn't even like once i voted it like i didn't even really think about the record at all and not until i got all the way back to weigh-in and weighed it, and then the scale hit nine even, and a few guys were like, Sam, call the DEC, call the DEC, and they're like, that's a new state record. I knew it was an eight and change from Cayuga, but I didn't really.

What is the existing state record? So it was eight pounds and six ounces, but the New York D.C. did certify the one that I caught over the last couple of weeks. I think they made it official. So I got them all the witnesses, signatures, length, girth, and then all the scale certification and calibration and everything that they needed to to get official but yeah like you said i mean whenever we called them they said that they didn't have an eoc officer that could come on site so they're like you if you want the record officially then you have to keep it put it on ice yeah we'll come the next day but like we're not saying that you're gonna get it we're not saying you're not gonna get it if you release it sure so so if you were to if you were to have held on to that fish and killed it you could have been sort of guaranteed that this would get certified but instead you you trusted that uh

or at least you you wanted to release it enough that you'd rather the fish survive and go sort of through the more i guess uh the less certain route of taking all those steps to certify it yeah exactly i mean i didn't want to selfishly take that fish's life over i mean it had to bend 20 to 25 years old in order to get nine pounds so wow that's awesome how did you end up that day in the tournament i ended up when i had 31 and change 31.4 I think was the total for for best five so I ended up taking it home and then uh nice quite a day congrats when so when when you rolled up to the weigh-in and you you pulled that fish out I mean what was the reaction from from the doc there yeah everyone going crazy. I wasn't really expecting it.

And then like, I turned around to like grab it out of the bag and then hold it up. And there was like, I don't know, 20, 30 people standing there with all their phones out, like freaking out. So it was, it was kind of crazy. Yeah. And what was your, what was your previous big fish prior to that? Uh, just like in your, in in your life of fishing i caught a seven pound two ounce one in july practicing for the thousand island open out of kingston gotcha that was that one was like old and decrepit like definitely past its prime yeah this fish looked like healthy and built so this one was it looked a lot different but like in my whenever i got that seven pounder to the boat it was just like so old that so many just beat up marks on it that it

looked almost looked bigger than this one but this one was just built with shoulders and had a crazy frame on it so that's awesome that is awesome so uh are you so do you have more tournaments up ahead then i mean i guess it's kind of all downhill from here right with a state record smally and and a big day i mean what's what's next for you i'm probably gonna be hard to top that but i mean ran into some unfortunate luck last weekend was the last tournament up on the river and i had my lower unit go out so i was planning on doing the 60 second fish oh yeah it's a fish with you guys but we'll have to get you back on for that i have a feeling you might uh be a competitive candidate compared to some of the other folks when you guys mess with me a few

weeks ago and then last weekend it literally just went out so i'm gonna be down for a few weeks but hopefully i'll still be able to get out in november and just catch some fish for fun because they're they're definitely playing that time of year nice nice that's awesome well dante we appreciate you coming on uh it's an awesome story congrats on the fish and kudos to you for releasing it um you know it's it's i, it seems like it wasn't a question in your mind, but, uh, you did the right thing for that fish. And, uh, it's just a very cool story all around. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. We'll talk to you again soon. Congrats again, Dante. Thanks, man. Have a good one. That's a fishy guy that you can tell. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. He's just like, he's a, he's a cool customer. Yeah. tell. Oh, yeah. That's a fishy guy. Yeah, he's a cool customer. Yeah, I would like to fish with him someday. Yeah, I have a feeling he has a few spots he could take us to. Yeah. Well, gang, I'm sorry to say, but that brings us to the end of the show, save for some listener comments. Phil, what do you got for us here? Last call for comments. Send them in now. Drop them in the chat.

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notifications. Yeah. Yeah. What do you got for us, Phil? Stockton asks, Utah proposed changes to the rifle and muzzleloader hunts on my unit for the next five years. They proposed open sight rifles and traditional muzzleloaders, flintlock, et cetera. They want to increase deer herds. Opinions? I'm not following. Open sight rifles and traditional. Oh. I think it's just.

They took away the option to use a scope. Generally, yeah. rifles and true i think it's just that they took away the option to use a scope generally yeah i mean i think there are a couple different places across the west that are considering making some changes to the the legal technology yeah um yeah it's it's a tough question it's tough it's tough to roll things back once guys are using them and they're and they're used to them um but i think you know if that's what needs to be done to conserve the resource and that's what the the state or the managers think is most appropriate it's kind of hard to argue with it but um i'm just not familiar enough with that particular proposal it's like like you said rolling back kind of a like a traditional use pattern like i don't know that's

hard man like i i like i'd rather see him cut tag numbers yeah that's that's what i'm curious is like have they is it the case that they've cut tag numbers and they've cut and they've shortened seasons and they still don't right if this is the last tool in the toolbox i guess i can understand it but yeah rolling things back and taking things away there's an argument to be made like a serious argument to be made against doing that simply because you could say you're less accurate more wounded deer yeah you know i always think about that when when you know it's it's there's not a right answer no but like yeah yeah, certain technologies are more effective and for better or worse, like that might lead to increased harvest,

but it also probably hopefully leads to less, you know, wound loss. Brent is asking Randall, is it cheating if I have to Google the spelling of a meat eater crossword answer? It sucks to suck at spelling spelling as someone who just got dinged for a for a misspelled word the other day yeah and and i would like to point out i uh i appreciate the support in the youtube comments uh i did think that chrysalis should have counted uh if chrysalis is the right answer um and i noticed that there are quite a few of you out there who agreed with me and I, your support is acknowledged and appreciated. It was acknowledged by me as well, as well, but not as appreciated as much.

I guess, I guess it depends on how you're Googling the spelling. That seems like a slippery slope. So you're typing in the misspelled word to get the right word. Or are you saying like, I'm trying to think of this word. How do you spell? Yeah. Well, my, my opinion is that it's only going to slow you down and that longer time is going to bring your score down. So by Googling spelling, you're kind of just, you're shooting yourself in the knee there.

And at a certain point, it's just going to cause you to not get the next series of. Yeah. Correct. there and at a certain point it's just going to cause you to not get the next series of yeah correct my general crossword philosophy is some days i will not um look at any hints and i won't flip over any tiles i mean not not on the mediator uh crossword of course but uh like when i'm doing the new york times some days i i hold myself very honest and accountable and some days I just want to have fun doing a crossword. And so I'll do, so, you know, you're playing against yourself. It's kind of like golf. So just, uh, you know, if you have to wipe a stroke every now and then, I don't think

there's anything wrong with that. Uh, Seth, this is, this is a one, a single question, but when you were doing, going over your show and tell stuff, there was a, an ongoing conversation happening in the live chat about what some of those rounds might be yeah he's he's giving you tips but this is honest this is a question but this is me phil giving you a tip seth to maybe revisit the live chat after the show yeah because there was some discussion happening that was over my head oh yeah maybe it won't be over i'll go through it yeah i'll go through it yeah and this is for all of you If each of you could propose one very specific topic for an upcoming book in the meat eater lineup, what would your topic be? And I'd say sky's the limit here.

Not like realistically. Like you personally, if you could pitch a book to be published as a part of the meat eater lineup, something that you're really into. Boy, that's tough. That is tough. Because I have a pile of books that need to be written uh as does brody yeah we've got there's plenty of books in in your future coming from meat eater i i recently and i still would like to see it happen we we a few years several years back we did um the hunting guidebooks the big game and small game hunting guidebooks i one of my recent pitches is doing a similar thing with

fishing but we were testing the waters to see if there's a demand for it or not so So send us, if you want it, send us a message. Um, as a photographer here at MeatEater, I wouldn't mind seeing just a fantastically beautiful coffee table book of, which has been, we pitched that all the photos that have been taken over the years here at MeatEater. That would be, I think it'd be pretty cool. Wouldn't be cheap though. No, I bet not. No. Glossy coffee table books are, but it would be worth it. Wouldn't be cheap though. No. No. I bet not. No. Glossy coffee table books are. But it would be worth it. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Collectors. Worth every penny I think. Yeah. I think so. Even if you could, you know, if you could get some autographed copies, maybe do a limited release of Seth Morris, uh, autographed copies. Yeah.

I like that idea. Yeah. I think my idea, uh, that's just come to me now, it's not something that I've been dreaming up, but I think it would be useful to have like a sort of a reference and history about, you know, public lands, the North American model, explaining different land management agencies and their history and sort of what their priorities are as an agency and just sort of giving people the vocabulary and context to talk about policy that affects hunters and anglers,

you know, in, in a way that's like conversational. Yeah. That's the challenge is to. Yeah. Cause you can get bogged down in like the, the legalese and the administrative and bureaucratic jargon. But, um, obviously like there's no shortage of interest in that from our audience. Like people love that stuff and they want to know more and they want to be more involved. So I think like a, a sort of dictionary or encyclopedia of conservation would be,

I think it's like out being out here in the West, you're just like kind of automatically more versed in that stuff like i'm sure there's a lot of like i didn't know what in hell blm was when i lived in pennsylvania right so there's like a lot of things that a lot of people from other parts of the country that could they could learn a lot you know oh yeah no yeah. No, I remember when I was, when I was in college, uh, I was finishing up and I really wanted to go bear hunting and I wanted to go to Montana and I wanted to go bear hunting in Montana. And I remember having this realization, like

national forest, you can hunt on national forest. And then I looked at a map of Montana and saw the green on the map and I was like, oh, of course I can go shoot a bear there, like practically half the state, you know? And, but that was like a moment that opened my eyes when I realized like that these lands are accessible and, and open to all and open to hunting. Cause I was more familiar coming from the east or the Midwest with, you know, national parks and the more sort of hands-off uh public lands so

that's my uh that's my half cooked book pitch which maybe should be a new segment here iron hops asks if he should get jack white tickets tonight or banked his bank time for the rut here in wisconsin the answer is jack white tickets next question um come on r Randall. This is your first time in the program since Louisiana. Oh, yeah. So just give me a quick fishing update. Man, Louisiana was a lot of fun. Met a lot of people from all around the country. Everybody had their own personal passion, hunting and fishing speaking.

So we got to like just talk to people about deer hunting or pig hunting or whatever they did um but the fishing was fantastic uh every day we went out and kind of had a different program like we fished different looking stuff caught a bunch of different fish species different species uh it was consistent throughout the day which which was nice. Like you'd get into them starting right out of the first thing in the morning and then you'd be catching them up till lunchtime. And then you never know when you get a big one. So we had some big black drum, some big red fish.

You kind of never know what you're going to get. You never know what you're going to get. Yeah, we were fishing this one red fish spot and we'd caught a couple out of there and then i hooked something that just went straight out into the gulf like under the boat and straight out to the gulf just ripping line and popped off and the guy's like oh that was a shark and steve cast in the same place like 30 seconds later and another shark grabbed it and he actually boated that one. He bowed that one. But it was just like, yeah, I mean, coming from a place where you're either catching a trout

or a whitefish, you know, it's cool to be in a real diverse fishery. Yeah, we caught a lot of different species. And then we went out on the dock and just caught weird catfish. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. And there was big gar rolling right there.

Big gar rolling. Yeah. Wild place, a lot of pelicans, just like super cool birds. Gators. Gators. Yeah. I loved it. I loved it i loved it

yeah cool cool place and michael uh we addressed this at the top of the show he's asking about the trivia win being overturned brody seems very uh unbothered by it if he is bothered he's hiding it very well well you know i think if you michael i think if you look back at the last several episodes i you know i've like i beat randall a bunch so i gotta give him a win here it's true you know that's all the time we had i'm just joking we can have a couple more questions oh no anything good phil i was gonna end it there as well sorry you want to end on a low note no i'm really well i guess it's a high note because he's reminding us that i did win that game yeah there you go yeah, gang, appreciate you tuning in.

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