The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 622: MeatEater Radio Live! Steve's Back

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Steve Rinella, Brody Henderson, Randall Williams, and Phil Taylor.  Guests: John Koprowski (aka The Squirrel Doc) mammalogist, Dean and Professor of the Haub School of Environment & Natural Resources at the University of Wyoming, Gaspar Perricone, Co-Chair of Colorado’s Wildlife Deserves Better, and wildlife capture specialist and hunting guide Cody Fahrion. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. mountain Time on Thursday, November 7th. And we're live from Meat Eater headquarters in Bozen, Montana. I'm your host, Steve Rannella, joined today by Brody Henderson and the version of Dr. Randall where his hair is not combed. I didn't realize it was that. It's his boating version. On today's show, we're interviewing the former meat eater podcast alum. Can you be a former alum? It's just sort of implied, right?

You can't be a future alum. Maybe you can. We'll sort this out. We're interviewing Meat Eater podcast alum, the squirrel doc, John Kaprowski, a mammologist and biologist at the University of Wyoming. Then we're going to go over and hit another installment of Tattoos I Regret, which I fear is going to be overly vicious, followed by a RUT report Yanni's tree stand in Wisconsin, where Yanni is currently sitting right now. Then we'll highlight, here's the thing, we're going to highlight a political defeat. And this has, this has dominated the news cycle since, like CNN,

New York Times, Wall Street Journal. You can't find anything that's not about this. like CNN, New York times, Wall Street journal. You can't find anything that's not about this. The biggest political upset. Only thing everybody's talking about. In American political history. I am talking of course, about the defeat of Proposition 127 in Colorado, which would have banned the hunting of mountain lions and bobcats, and they threw in links for good measure, even though they're ESA protected. They put a ton of money into it.

They rolled out all manner of foe experts. They tried to run a statewide ballot uh, ballot box initiative to ban mountain lion and Bobcat hunting and they got beat. Trout. We spent a ton of time on this issue. I have been euphoric. When people saw me the next on the day after the election, running around just inexplicably pumping my fist in the air.

I don't think they knew that's what it was about. I have been euphoric. As part of that celebration, we're going to talk to two more Meat Eater Podcasts alum, Gaspar Perricone, the co-chair of the organization Gaspar Perricone, the co-chair of the organization Colorado's Wildlife Deserves Better. And then we're gonna talk to a personal buddy of mine, a Colorado houndsman and wild cattle catcher, Cody Ferian. Then lastly, we're gonna dig into an indefensible law that ought to get passed. As a quick catch up,

it was proposed to me that we talk about Randall getting a white tail deer. And I did not propose it. The only noteworthy thing about it was that Randall's got many white tail deer, but he happened to get a white tail deer in a state other than what he had in the past. First white tail buck in that state actually,

cause I've killed whiteail does there too. So it got less and less interesting to me the more I learned about it, but just suffice it to say Randall got himself a nice whitetail buck. Like many other Americans, Randall... Many millions of other Americans. I used to work a day job, you know? Just. But what's more interesting to me

is that Randall's wife tagged out. Tell me about that Randall, because that interests me. That's actually, I mean, it's sort of a good story and not a good story at the same time. We went out for the weekend, pulled up, set up the camper, got the dogs running around,

poured them a bowl of water, and I set up my tripod and my binos and spotted a doe about, oh yeah. That's good. Yeah. Keep him coming, please. Someone just wrote in that, oh, I'm sorry. Keep him coming, I'd like to know anything

that comes to mind. For the podcast listener, someone said he looks like Daniel Stern in Home Alone 2 after getting electrocuted. I'm kinda getting the ancient aliens guy vibe too. Yeah. So to back up, there you are. You're, you've got the water, the dogs, all that kind of stuff.

And set up my bipod or my tripod with my binos, just scanning around, seeing what's up and down the Valley and about 1500 yards behind camp, I see a doe. And, uh, I watched her for five minutes or so to see if there any other deer and sure enough a buck came sneaking in and we put our boots on through the crocs in the trailer and scampered up a little Butte and she shot him and then we went down got the dogs went back up packed him out. Excellent. But it was nice. Did you still camp there? We did. We camped there that night and then went up to the bar and we went to the bar. We had service and we got a text

that my buddy had killed a bull. So the next day we packed up the camper and went and helped him pack out his bull. Awesome. And then camped again. Dogs had a good weekend. I did too. That sounds like a great little weekend. We saw a lot of country, a lot of critters. Did your wife take your name? She did. My wife's been, she's kicking around again weirdly in another effort to lead me along, has been musing lately on getting around to finally changing her name after 16 years of marriage. Sydney said she would not do it again only because of the bureaucratic headache. Is she going to undo it? No, no, no, it's just the actual act of changing it was the hurdle for her. Yeah, the missus, my lovely, beautiful wife,

said, I'll do it when my passport expires because that seems like a pain. And then I've been waiting 16 years. I don't know how many passport renewals we've been through. And then the other day she was like, you know, maybe I will change it. And then I told my daughter, she can, she can, but you don't trying to build up. Have you gotten more sore about it over the years?

I get sore and sore all the time. And now I look very hypocritical because I told my wife or I told my daughter, don't change your name. We actually thought about both changing our names to my mother's maiden name, which is just cool. It's cool. Molto. It's Norwegian. I thought it meant it was cool. It's cool? Maltu.

It's Norwegian. I thought it meant it was cool. But then I didn't want to go through the hassle of all that and explain it to people. Brody, you just did a woodcock hunt in Pennsylvania. That's pretty exciting. Did you bring me one? I did. We ate them all.

They're pretty small. Yeah. Yeah. We were back in the, I was back in my old stomping grounds at Penn State for the tailgate tour. Yep. And it was great. It was so much fun.

Like we hit the migration, right? Like they were just everywhere and we had a good, very good bird dog, a lot of shooting, a lot of missing. And, uh, it was cool when we were kids. When I was a kid, the only time I ever shot at a Woodcock was when I was hunting something else, like we didn't target them. So this is like the first time it was like, we're after Woodcock and we got into them, it was cool.

Yeah, when you hit the migration, it's awesome. I saw a clip from that and it was impressive shooting. Yeah, well, what you saw might have been impressive. There was a lot of unimpressive shooting involved too. My main update, we went coyote calling the other day, which was fun, we did good. And then me and my little boy, my little boy had a buddy at school that wanted, that had like asked him about getting jerky. So we made, for the first time in my life, I made the ground meat jerky, which I've always

been skeptical. Because like, why would you grind it and then you know I mean right it's like why go through all the hassle we made ground meat jerky checked around for recipes from friends and made jerky but this I had cut with about 20% fat mmm that is some when you remove all the moisture and the fat doesn't go anywhere it is some greasy jerky. Not the best, but I've hit on something. My next batch is going to be revolutionary because I am going to do it again and I'm going to grind in a bunch of dried cherries. And I am going to make- A little pemmican style.

Yes. Are you going to go- Yes. You should do it with burger that doesn't have fat cut into it maybe. No. No? Cause then it wouldn't be Pamican. I am gonna reinvent. I am in the process of reinventing old school Pamican.

Just wait and watch. Joining us. Really quick before our next segment, don't forget to write in questions for their listener feedback halfway through the show and the end of the show. Steve's here. Got a question for Steve. Put it in the live chat. Oh, and I did launch the new big thing.

How are we doing on time? We good? Oh, great. There's a thing we're launching. It's called... As of seven minutes ago. No, I thought about it last night in bed. Okay. Well, I thought about it two days ago. Then I quit thinking. I'll explain the whole thing. Yep. Making this jerky got me thinking about a great jerky, a jerky contest. It's going to be

called Meat Eaters Best GD, gosh darn. Of course. Meat Eaters Best GD Jerky Tournament. I thought everybody will send in jerky and then on live we'll rate it and then we'll put together a huge prize package for who wins. But then I got to thinking, am I really going to eat jerky that shows up in the mail? So then I abandoned the idea. Then it hit me. You come here and present your jerky. I watch you eat it and then I know it's okay for me to eat it. Then we eat the jerky and raid it in front of you. And we'll do, let's say, 10 contestants over the course of a year and we'll put together a mega prize package.

You're responsible for getting yourself here. You come in, you join the show, you present your jerky, your jerky gets rated. We crown a champion at the end of 2025. Meat Eaters best GD jerky tournament 2025. That person gets a huge prize package. There's some details that need to be sorted out. I got them all in my head. No you don't. What if you run into two,

people are here at two different times. They get scheduled. They're both, yeah I'm saying like, you rate one, it's the best jerky you've ever had. You can't, okay. You scored a 9.5. Later in the tournament, someone also scores a 9.5, but you can't go back and revisit the first one to get a good comparative.

I'll have him leave a piece because I already know he does have all the details. Cause I already know it's not been poisoned. I mean, couldn't we just have, send in your email, current, where do they send in to get this started? I would say, oh man, it's either meateater at themeateater.com or radio at themeateater.com. Radio? Yeah, radio.

Let's do radio. Send in your proposal, your pitch to radio at themeater.com. But title it. Subject line, meat eaters best GD jerky tournament. 25 with a little apostrophe. You should reiterate, don't send jerky here. This is not where you send jerky.

This is where you say, I have a great jerky recipe. I would like to come in and present We will accept Spent in the check he wants people to send jerky in the mail I don't because I do but I don't because I don't want to get poisoned Yeah, we just have a tester like a like a monarch in the olden days I guess I could have my kids eat it and then bring it down. Don't surely. Yes, we just need to find Also, we'd like somebody could just surely send you some

Old trappers on me be like god, that's some good jerky. That's why they're gonna come and present. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay Meteors best GD turk jerky tournament 25. We're gonna pick our ten favorite people. You got to get yourself here You come in you present your jerky. We're going to pick our 10 favorite people. You got to get yourself here. You come in, you present your jerky. We're going to put together a mega package. It's going to include stuff hanging on the walls in here. Firs stuff out and we'll get meat processing equipment. I don't know. We've got to, you can have a can of, we got a big spin drift, not an official sponsor, but there's some out there. It'll be a great prize package. No free ads.

Joining us on the line is John Kaprowski, the mammologist, biologist, and Dean of the Hobb School of Environment and Natural Resources at the University of Wyoming, former Meat Eater podcast guest. He was on, going way back in the vault, episode 259, which was titled, The Squirrel Doctor is in. What weirdly, what prompted this is a thing we're not going to talk about.

But we're still, I've been really into this word lately, which is an apophysis. Okay, an apophysis is when you're fighting with someone and you bring something up by saying you're not gonna bring it up. So you're in a fight with your wife and you go, and I'm not even gonna talk about what happened on Friday. That'd be more like something my wife would say to me. I'm gonna fight with my wife, my wife says, and I'm not even gonna talk about what happened on Friday. That'd be more like something my wife would say to me. I'm gonna fight my wife, my wife says, and I'm not even gonna talk about what

happened on Friday, that's an hypothesis. She's talking about it by saying she's not gonna talk about it. We're not gonna talk about Peanut the Squirrel, whose euthanization by New York's Department of Environmental Conservation has made international news. This one up getting embroiled in the presidential election, the left and the right are both up in arms about it over peanut, but again, we are not going to talk about peanut the squirrel. Rather, rather, we're gonna talk about handful squirrel things. We're gonna lead off, John, with how in the hell, how in the world have 50 new squirrel species been discovered in the past decade?

And is this the kind of thing where they were discovered, or did we already know about them and then realize they were a teensy bit different than other squirrels we knew about? Well, thanks so much, Steve. Great to be here. We will not mention peanut. Rest in peace. And I'm a bit miffed right now. I just want to say I thought I was coming on for the regretful tattoo segment Let's do it

when we think about squirrels and diversity last time we talked about 280 species that are recognized. We're about 325 right now and We're about 325 right now and it's a little of both. Some of these are, you know, as we get genetic techniques and people are looking a little more closely or they're looking at the calls of different species, realizing that something we previously lumped in as a single species might be split a bit. And that accounts for about half of those new squirrels. And then there really are some new squirrels that are completely new to science that are being described.

Some really cool giant flying squirrels about the size of a garbage can lid. What? In the Himalayas, for instance. Wow. No way. Really? See, that's what I was talking about. See, I was, I was, I was like shit talking to you earlier. You always do. I was like, love the guy, love the guy, but he's going to give us a bunch of stuff about them realizing there's all these different pine squirrels that they didn't realize that they thought were the same thing. But now we're onto something new. New, okay, like legit stuff that we didn't

know about. That's exciting to hear. Yep, exactly. And I still geek out over the, you know, the subdividing of things that we already knew, but quite seriously, these are species that in one case one was found in a market in Southeast Asia, and that's what prompted people to say, what is this? It went up in the mountains, found another brand new species. Pete Slauson The large Himalayan flying squirrel, is it a very small population? And so, it's not widely known? Or is like a big widespread thriving population of these squirrels? It's it's probably fairly widespread

Because it's relatively new folks are just starting to get the sense of how widespread they are But when you think of the Himalayas, you know, like many mountaintops here in the Rockies I think you get these sky islands and often kind of left behind on those are some species that were left behind in the recession of the glaciers in the last ice age. The Himalayas are obviously a very prominent range of mountains and not much work has gone on there.

And they've got species that actually live in cracks, in crevices there, and they glide between cliffs and then feed on the few trees that are there. These are species that are about tree line in many cases. And so when we're looking at them, we know that they've, most of the three species that have been very recently described and all of them, there have been multiple individuals reported. I just this morning got a camera trap photo from Nepal where they said, hey, we've got another one

and it's a little bit of a range extension probably, and that kind of thing. So we're just learning, and that's what's so fun about this. You know, when any of us who are interested in biodiversity and interested in wildlife, something like squirrels you think you know everything about, we find out there's all kinds of neat stuff going on that we had no idea Corinne had mentioned that that she had spoken with you about us a flying squirrel that can fluoresce Yes, what's up with this? So these are the common flying squirrels that you'll see throughout North America Well, hope he goes back in here and

they actually fluoresce under black light, under UV light, and they have like blue ears, pink stripes on them. A professor in Wisconsin was out with a black light, a UV light kind of spotlighting one evening and something flew across his field of vision in the light and It was pink and blue and it turns out that a number of species that we have absolutely no idea why Floresce and it's not just kind of a single color that you think. Oh, that's something that's probably not all that meaningful They actually fluoresce with multiple colors in different parts of the body with a pattern.

So it tells you something funky is going on. And we've actually learned recently, last decade or two, that a lot of birds do the same thing. The colors that we see are very different than the colors that birds see because they're able to detect things in that UV, those UV wavelengths. So all kinds of crazy stuff going on. It's why I stay with squirrels. You know, years ago I had a conversation with a turkey biologist named Robert Abernathy and we were talking about the fluorescent qualities of, or sorry, not fluorescent, the iridescent qualities of turkey feathers.

And he was speculating, we don't really know, that perhaps a turkey to another, like a turkey experiences the appearance of another turkey in a way that humans do not. Meaning it might be just this bright thing that just pops out, right? And when you look at it, you see a drab bird. When they look at it, they're like, ta-da, you know, a turkey, right?

Yeah, exactly. And when you think of things that are predators of turkeys, there are things that don't see kind of in that, that visual spectrum. And so they're able to convey messages to other birds, possible mates, maybe it's something related to territoriality, but what kind of condition they're in, and other species may not be able to pick those things up quite as well.

So, you know, these things are, when you see patterns like that, they're very likely adaptations, right? That just, you know, help them in the, you know, survival of fittest battle. Now, John, we do a thing on the show and our network called a rut report, where we get into whitetail, the whitetail deer rut calendar, the breeding cycle calendar. I understand that the squirrel rut is coming up next month. My friend, Kevin Murphy, who I like to call him the world's greatest small game hunter, has described to me finding what he calls a rut tree,

where he catches a squirrel rut activity going on and he'll talk about seeing seven or eight males chasing after a single female. I have here in front of me that you've seen rut trees containing 30 to 40 males in pursuit of a female. That's like a bar and acreage. So long, long odds there. Yeah, that's like a bar and acreage. It's a long, long odds there.

Well, exactly. And it's all because most squirrels are, the females are only in heat for about half a day. And so that is, that is your chance. And, and because squirrels have an incredible sense of smell, we know, you know, a lot of tree squirrels, that's how they're in part relocating nuts that they buried.

That's a lot of their social behaviors is tied to picking up scent. Fruiting trees like a walnut tree that's in fruit, they pick that up by scent. They pick up females who about five days before they're, five days before they're five days before they go in into aspress and The day of there are often dozens of males waiting outside the females

Nest cavity in the tree or when those leaf nest those drays and so I've seen up to 45 Males chasing a single female long day for everyone involved there, I'm guessing. Yeah, man. Some more exciting day. Can you do me a favor? I don't want to bring the, you know, I hope no one else is listening to this idea because I want to keep it to my own. Can you get me some squirrel and heat urine? Has anyone thought to dip a cotton ball in that and then just peg it up on a tree and then just sit and hunt? So it's actually not, it doesn't appear to be in urine. You have to, you have to swipe the private parts of the female.

And that's, that's where it's exuded from. So it's a tougher ask. See, everybody gets the name complicated. And you got a half day to do it. That's right, so you got to be quick and convincing. Once again, John Koprowski joining us from the Hobbs School of Environment and Natural Resources at the University of Wyoming and I want to applaud John for doing the work that so many scientists just get. They just don't want to do it because it doesn't work out sometimes. It does the work of interpreting science for idiots. Thank you, John. Probably not how he'd phrase it, but it's how he thinks about it. And a lot of researchers just get, and I understand when they

get there, they get to where they just can't bring themselves to do it anymore. But John is a great sport about coming in and talking about squirrel biology, squirrel ecology in a way that, uh, that folks at home can understand it. So when you look out a window and you could see a squirrel, you can, uh, you can look to your husband or wife and be like, did you know, right? And tell them good stuff about squirrels. Hey folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. And boy, my goodness, do we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or a sweepstakes and our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they

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slash meet. Welcome to the to the on X club y'all. Meat Eater Radio Live is the newest addition to the Meat Eater podcast feed. Every Thursday at 11 a Mountain Time, we'll be going live from MeatEater HQ on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. This one-hour variety show will feature call-in guests, segments and live feedback from the MeatEater audience. Then on Friday morning, the episode will be available in audio form on the MeatEater Podcast

feed. So come hang with me, Steve, Yanni, Cal, and the rest of the Meat Eater crew every Thursday at 11 a.m. Mountain Time on the Meat Eater Podcast Network YouTube channel. And remember, it's live so anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Thank you very much, John. I really appreciate you coming on, man. We're going to jump into tattoos. I regret. So John, drop your pants. I'm joking. He's not, he's not joining us. He's not, he's not the tattoo holder, but he can stay on the line if he wants to see about the tattoos. I regret these are good ones. So this came in. We've got to do the sound drop and everyone hates. I've made a huge mistake. There's no arrested development

fans here at the office. Oh, I like that. Yeah. That's not and everyone hates. I've made a huge mistake. Apparently there's no Arrested Development fans here at the office. Oh, I like that. Yeah, that's not your best work. I'll replace it next time we do this segment. I liked it. This one comes in from Northwest Arkansas. Which doesn't surprise me. No, I thought that was very predictable.

Not even a little bit. OK. The tattoo holder. That's not even the good one, Phil. Oh, which one are we looking at? Both. I'm looking at the first one. These are on the same guy, right?

Oh yeah, we can show the other one next. I just want to talk about this. We'll do it one at a time. Yeah. Read the email and then describe. I'm a hunter from Northwest Arkansas. He's very careful word choice he uses. I wouldn't say I regret my tattoos. I got the duck life one at 18 and I'm 29 now. I got the goose one a couple months ago. I would picture that it would be the

opposite. Oh no. To me it looks like you'd have got that goose would be the opposite. Oh no. To me it looks like you'd have got that goose when he was three. And then got the- We can't talk about the goose until people can see it. Oh, okay. I got the goose one a couple months ago, mainly my arm is a joke to my duck hunting buddies now.

Oh well, hope y'all like him. That's the best part I like. I like that the most, cause he just seems resigned to his fate. You know, he's just like, I think the duck life one is trying too hard. This one is genuinely bad. Here's the goose one. I love it. I love it. This is a T-shirt. I don't know a T-shirt with that on it. For people who can't, that aren't seeing what we're talking about. Duck life has got three puddle ducks, three mallards, whatever. Oh, three ducks. I don't know what they are.

Cup up. Cup up, feed out, coming into land. I need, it's like a little pattern of three ducks. On one side it says duck, on the other side it says life, coming together to make duck life. What I, okay. Then the other one,

the other one is a silhouette of a Canada goose who's got like seven feathers. Looks like it was drawn by a small child. He's got eight feathers and it says you're honking for a bonkin. I love that one. Oh yeah. It's great. What I like about duck life is duck life is versatile because if he gets where he

stops hunting ducks and just gets generally burned out on life, he just needs to have the D turn to an F. Yep. Yep. I had the same thought. And then he's got a whole new tattoo with a whole new meaning. And it's like getting two tattoos for the price of one. Or if he gets really into whitetail hunting, he could go buck life and reorder. those days. Buck life would be easier. Yeah, just every week, draw a little line with a sharpie, and it's buck life. I would say that the font choice is not what you want. I don't like this font at all. Or he could become a spokesman for buck knives and have it be buck knife.

So that tattoo has versatility. It's also huge. And have it be buck knife. Yeah, uh-huh. So That tattoo has versatility, it's also huge you're honking for a bonkin I Don't know I need to know more I Like if it's like high step and it's putting its foot forward. No, I think that he I think that The goose isn't honking. I think he's saying to the geese, geese in general, when they come and they honk and he's hunting and they're honking, he's saying he's thinking to himself, uh, you're honking for a bonkin. So he's addressing the goose there. I took that as the goose to be addressing the, the, uh, viewer of the tattoo.

Cause the goose is saying to his, some guy in the bar, some guy in the bar is talking a bunch of whatever they're arguing about a turtle soup recipe, which is this. I bring that up only cause Johnny paycheck shot a man literally shot a man in the head in an argument about a turtle root. So at the scene afterwards, didn't he? Fud scene. Yeah. Kind of miss creased his head. Anyways, during the fight about a turtle soup recipe, for instance, he holds up his arm to the guy he's fighting with.

The guy sees the arm and he's like, Oh, that's me. I'm honking for a bonkin. It doesn't inspire a lot of fear though. And then the guy also his last thought before catching the fist, his last thought is, but why is there a goose on there? This is, this is one of those facts I forget about myself for three or four years at a time. But when I was three, a goose broke my toe. They can be mean. I know. So that's like, he might think, Oh yeah, goose can be mean. He's telling you the fist comes. I took it to mean that he knocked one down in some grain field and needed to go out there and bonk it. Oh, who knows? Only the tattoo artists. Art

is all the eye of the beholder. No one knows. We have multiple people in the chat saying that if we put the goose one on merch, they would buy multiple copies. Hankenfurt Bonk? Hankenfurt Bonk, people love it. People say it's elite, they want it on shirts. It's elite? It's elitist?

No. No, no, it's just, it's high level. This is just a Gen Z lingo. Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, I like that. I recently got a good lecture on Gen Z, but they didn't tell me about that one that that lingo Here's the next one now this next one can Randall do you mind grabbing the painting? I'd love to actually

One of my favorite pieces of artwork of all time is from clay newcomer He drew it when he was a teenager and it's a future spaceman You see that Phil? Yeah pointed at this camera. Yeah there we go. It's a future space man. You know what's funny? Clay was telling me, we were moose hunting and Clay's telling me about what he used to like to draw. He liked to draw like future space men, but he also liked to draw wild hogs. So here a wild, a big huge boar is charging a future space man who's fixing to gun it down. If that's a spaceman, why has he got like a King Arthur armor on? I don't know, but there's a lot of questions.

Clay then called his mom and said, I was with him, he called his mom, hey you know that picture I drew of the, she's like, oh yeah, and had it. So now we have it framed in the office. We got a tattoo of someone basically having a sort of truncated, more contained such scene. His note is when I was 18, I wanted to get my first tattoo and being an avid bird hunter at the time and shooting a Browning shotgun, there was only one logical idea. The Browning Buck Mark. I made an appointment. I got digressed for a second. I used to work with a guy when I worked for my buddy, Ronnie. I worked with a guy that was preparing to get the Bacardi bat tattooed on. I've seen that one before. His brother once said a sentence to me that I'll never forget.

His brother said to me, you know when you're drinking Bacardi so fast, you get the red splotches on your neck. Tobacco. When I was 18, I wanted to get my first tattoo and being an avid bird hunter at the time and shooting a Brownie shotgun, there was only one logical idea, the Browning Buckmark. I made an appointment with my brother's longtime tattoo artist and got the tattoo on the upper portion of my left arm. Since then the Browning Buckmark has become synonymous with red neckery and overall douchebaggery. I've regretted that tattoo for almost 20 years. See, I didn't know that the Browning mark was a widespread tattoo. Amongst a certain segment of the population. I've regretted that too. I've regretted that tattoo for almost 20 years. I finally decided

to get a cover-up so I could once again be proud to show my upper arm. I have one more session on the cover-up. The Nordic God Freyr. Is that how he says it? Freyr? Freyr? Freyr? It's Freyr. Oh, this is interesting. The Nordic God Freyr, from which my last name is derived, pictures included. Love the podcast and the other podcasts on the network. Keep it up. And it is a Nordic God, similar in style to clay's future space man, but more decidedly period.

He is not a confusing period. Yeah. He's carrying a broad sword that comes up to his navel. He's not a confusing period. Yeah. Yeah, he's carrying a broadsword that comes up to his navel He's got a pig and he has Sort of I gather with him Yeah, it doesn't seem to be an adversarial relationship Any old pig that's Gullen bursty the golden maned pig created by the sons of Ivaldi the famous dwarf craftsman Oh, I didn't know that

Frere rides Gullen Burstie into battle. Oh, interestingly enough battle hog. Yeah, interestingly enough the sons of a Voli also made for for Skeed Blineer the famous ship that always has a favorable breeze and can be folded together and carried in a pouch when not in use. How do you know all that? I looked it up. Oh, here's the problem. I don't want to hack on them because here's the deal. I think when he talks about the tattoo, he regrets. He's talking about the one that was hiding under there. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So I don't want to hack on this one because, you know, it could spoil the relationship. Yeah, yeah so just I don't want to hack on this one because I because You know could spoil the relationship. Yeah, this is this is the after this is the glow-up Yeah, so I'm gonna say like I'm gonna say this I'm gonna say um

Good lord. I like that tattoo. I Don't think there's anything to regret about that one. He put a lot of thought into that one Yeah, and I like that hog in the background, but I, come on tusks. Those are big tusks. Yep. My old man killed a hog in Arkansas. And when he got the hug, the hog stuffed, uh, I'm going to get this hog and bring it home to me someday. When he got the hog stuffed, he did that thing that he used to do where you barely, you know, when you pull the tusks out, but then you glue them back in when you're all done, you barely stick it in there and glue it. So all the root, right, like most, like three,

two thirds of the tusk doesn't stick above the gum line, but you fill it full of hot glue and just barely stick the tusk in there and it looks like some apparition from hell. You get a couple extra inches out of those. Oh yeah, so this thing's got these tusks, you're like, it looks like a war hog. It's like when my skull caps fall off the shelf

and I have to epoxy them back together and I wang the antlers out another two or three inches. Yeah, and hold them up, give it another inch of height and hold them out. Yeah, for sure. All right, fantastic tattoo. If you could ever do me the favor of taking a picture of that tattoo, what's this gentleman's name?

Russ. Russ, if you could do me a picture and send it to us, take a picture of your tattoo and then go in and highlight where the old tattoo is hiding. Yeah, that would be very interesting. But that makes it a pretty good coverup because we can't tell. Oh, I don't know it's a coverup.

And like when that guy gets, you know, F-life, I don't know that I'll think it's a cover-up either. I wonder why it had ducks in it. Yeah. The ducks are just, they're taking off for greener pastures. Yeah, the ducks are leaving life, going to the afterlife. We're gonna cut now to a Rutt report fromian lover, the Latvian eagle, Yanni, Chamani, just Yanni, Yanis, Janis, in Louisiana they can't, the Cajuns cannot say Yanis. What do they call him? They can't. The Cajuns had to eventually arrive at that he is just Jay.

It doesn't work. There's something about being a Cajun that makes it that not only can you not remember it, you can't say it. They'd be like, you know, we all have our own challenges. This is actually a double report. We've got Mark Kenyon first and then Yoss. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, double the content. But before that. What? Holy shit, the fight's a tail run. Can't believe it's already here. Kenyon's gonna tell you what you should do.

Think about the tax you'll buy. Kiss your wife and kids goodbye. I really hope they don't decide to desert you. What a gift. Here's the report. Hey guys, Mark Kenyon here with Wired to Hunt and I'm coming at you with the report for November 7th. And I'm here hunting in Kentucky just kicked off a hunt and the whitetail rut should be on now.

I haven't seen sign of it yet myself, but all reports I'm hearing from across the country are that does are coming into heat, bucks are chasing, bucks are cruising, it's on. November 7th is the day that a lot of folks claim to be maybe the very best day of the entire whitetail rut. And this next week or so should be absolutely the light south for almost the entire country. There are some places down in the south

that have slightly different running dates, but for most folks listening, this is it. This is the Super Bowl. Use it for vacation time. Use up the brownie points in the bank. Whatever you need to do to be in the tree, do it. Now, an important thing to note, for large parts of the country right now,

we are seeing warmer than average temperatures and there's definitely some rain going on too, so less than ideal conditions. But you need to know that despite these conditions that maybe aren't great, the rut is still happening and good action is out there to be had. The midday might be a little bit slower but be in a tree, be in the key rut spots, downwind to doe bedding areas, pinch points, funnels, tree time is key. So do not let the bad weather keep you home. This is it. Anything is possible.

Time in the tree, time in the tree, time in the tree. Good luck out there. Well, November started over. I got so distracted by Yanni clearing his nose and I missed part of the report. Okay, let's hear it again. Hold on Do people know that it's live Mostly oh, yeah Because this is alive. We just started it over again. Well the pre-recorded videos are certainly not live But this should be a disclaimer. I don't think that's the shit you're about to about to hear is not live. Saturday Night Live has lots of pre-recorded videos.

That's a great point. Anyway. Here's Yanni live. Time in the tree. Time in the tree. Good luck out there. Glad we got that mantra again. Well, here's Yanni's rut report for November 6th.

First off, what you need to know is that I picked the wrong spot today. I sat in that tree right behind me for six hours this morning and did not see a single deer. Beautiful morning here in central Wisconsin. It started off at about 40 degrees, it's now 50. The winds blowing 5 to 10 out of the north northwest. I mean really just a prime prime morning for the rut. So although I didn't see any rutting myself, I'm 100% sure that there is some rutting going on somewhere not too far from me. I hunted a ridge top today to be in the woods and have a good spot for this north wind. Just picked the wrong one. I just didn't have the right buck come down that ridge

behind me right there. Or that one right there. So anyways, I'm changing spots right now. I'm gonna go hunt on a very small ridge. It's very close to the neighbor's fields where we've had 15 to 20 does every single evening and I think there's been some bucks out there too but we've got pictures of the big bucks a couple of them daylighting cameras have been slow the last two days

because it's been raining it's in wet wet, wet, wet, wet, wet. Now it's dried out. The temp has dropped 10 to 15 degrees. So the next two, three days should be phenomenal. And so my plan is for the evening and probably most evenings is to get down closer to the food, which is gonna be closer to the doughs, which is gonna bring me a big buck encounter so hopefully that'll happen maybe next week I can give you a little bit more of an exciting rut report to all of you out there sitting or about to be sitting good luck stick to it it's gonna happen any moment

peace oh sweet thank you Y. I made the really stupid mistake one day of looking at, um, Yanni had some posts on, on Instagram and I was looking at the comments and this woman's like freaking out on him because he's gonna, him talking, he's got family property in Wisconsin. Him talking about that's going to make everybody in Wisconsin, everybody start hunting Wisconsin. What's this, what's this? What's this strange 50th state I'm hearing about? What is it?

Okay, we're gonna jump over now to our interview around, again, I was- Wait, hold on, we gotta listen to our feed set. What, Corinne put a whole tattoo over the whole thing. I couldn't see what was going on. I didn't do anything. You guys messed up the document. I don't touch the document.

Let's take a break. I'm reading. Let's take a break for some listener feedback, Phil. Let's do it. Oh, this one seems time sensitive. It came in a while ago, but average human guy is asking, Hey everyone, sitting in my ground blind for a buck, thinking of going to pull a card from my camera

down in the drainage after the pod. Human guys asking hey everyone sitting in my ground blind for a buck thinking of going to pull a card from a camera down In the drainage after the pod should I hold off in fear of scent or go check once? What would you do? There's too many I can't there's too many variables. I can't say does he got walk right past the spot anyway. That's true. Is it like This I can't I don't know do it. I Wouldn't do it. That's where you're expecting to see a buck. Stay out of there. There you are. Eric's asking Steve to clarify your turkey tattoo. You've talked about it a couple times in the past, but I wonder if you've come to any sort of realization. I want to do it. It's

like, what I like is that I like that me and my wife are the last couple in America to have no tattoo. Me and my wife don't have them either. Sorry. Second to last. So, uh, I wanted to get, and I stole this idea. I want to get the outline of North America tattooed and then either either get the spots, little turkey feet tattooed on there where I killed my, you know, I'm a two-time super slam holder where I killed my super slams or just put turkey feet everywhere. I've ever gotten any Turkey at all. I like

that better. You might think this is a terrible idea. I know in the back of my head, it's a terrible idea. And I might do what Pat Durkin did. Pat Durkin has a lot of tattoos now. He waited till he was so old that he knew he wouldn't live long enough to regret them. And then he got, that was his plan. And when you get like get tattoos when you're young and then you get old, those tattoos start to look a little different as age.

But if I got it fresh now, I still might like, let's say I live to be 80. I still might have to live 20 years wishing I hadn't done that. Right. Yeah. I think if you're in do it, go big, do your whole back. No. I mean, if you go with the every Turkey you've killed, I feel like you'd have to have a pretty sizable map so that you could... Yeah.

You know, there's going to be what would look like hot spots. Maybe, maybe you put like a bigger track where you've killed more than, more than six. John's asking about tips on how to get kids more involved in butchering and processing. Yeah, I got huge tips on this. Randall has none. Brody's got hot tips. Randall has none, Brody's got hot tips. I got my kids started in that kind of stuff so young that they never had a realization that it was anything unusual. Like, they just have always been involved, always done it. There was never a moment where they're like, what is that? They can't remember, They don't remember ever not helping gut stuff. If you would grab and I could hand them anything.

If you wait too long, they'll start thinking it's gross. But when they're little, they're super interested in all that stuff. I could take anything in the, any bloody thing on the planet and be like, hold that. My kids are gonna grab it. Yep. And on food, I could serve them cat, house cat. They have just always, we've always made them just eat stuff and now we don't have to hear about it. Start young. Yeah and get them involved with like, like that the turning it into food kind of thing, like making burger, making sausage, that like, my kids love doing that.

So like take it, like don't just stop at the gutting, like go the whole thing. Yeah, I remember my kids, like little jobs I would give my kids is they, I would, if I'm grinding meat, I, you know, very careful, like not joking, very careful about them, their hands around a grinder. So bear with me. Give them the job of taking the cubed up meat out of the tote, or out of the tub,

putting it in the pan. Give them the job of turning the hand crank on the sausage stuffer. Give them the job of putting stuff in the bag. The other day I had my kid, we were bagging up some stuff. We were bagging up the jerky we made. We were bagging up the jerky we made. My kid was in charge of hitting the button on the vac sealer. Like little jobs. Make it fun. Don't make it go on for like nine hours. Get them involved. They know the stuff and just the key is starting them young and you'll never have to go through any of that weird stuff when they freak out. Awesome. Let's do one more. The show's running long, but we're all having a good time,

so we'll tackle some more of these at the end of the show, depending on what time it is. We've got some guests on the line waiting to come on. Doing one right now or not running? Yeah, we'll do one more right now. Steve, did you hear about Lana Del Rey marrying an alligator guy? My neighbor told me about that. But no, I haven't looked it up yet. Well, when Spencer and I heard the news, both of us thought about you and how you're feeling about this,

because it seems like it's like a you type character and she was into him enough to marry him. So I'm just wondering how you're feeling about you're, you're suggesting that I would, um, you're suggesting that I would be looking like that. I would be, have a feeling of jealousy. Your wife suggested that as well. She did. Yep. No, no, no one. I'll just say this. And I've told my neighbor this, nobody,

No one, I'll just say this, and I've told my neighbor this, nobody, nobody understands her music properly. Except me. That's all I'm going to say on the whole subject. All right, we can move on. No one understands the show. I will someday write a book, after I write my book about how it's okay to hate Shakespeare, I will write a book about, I'll write a book about what is going on in those lyrics. Excited to read it.

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Onxmaps.com slash meet. Welcome to the OnX club, y'all. To continue our giant gloat about proposition 127, we're going to talk really quickly to Gaspar Paracone. And we're going to go talk to a Houndsman who, um, one guy that, that really helped drive and win this fight and one guy that would have been really screwed had this fight not gone the way it did. So we're taking a two-prong approach to it Welcome Gasper Welcome gentlemen

Tell me what do you think was the key man? Like what what what wound up what wound up happening? Well, I got to start by saying this is the only show in America that I think can segue from the swapping of squirrel privates to honking for a bonkin to house cat cuisine to maybe the most consequential political outcome on the state-based ballot major. Nimble show. Love it. It's elastic. Yeah. I mean, look, obviously a monumental achievement for both the defense of and the promotion of science-based wildlife management in this country. And I think a very clear validation of the role that hunter harvest plays in this.

Plus, look, let's take a quick moment to just revel in the fact that we sent for the first time in Colorado the anti-hunting community pack and on a political measure. So, just a real surprising and tremendous outcome. And, you know, to your question, Steve, you know, what was the difference here? Let's dive into the numbers and then I'll leave you with my takeaways. But look, we're, you know, obviously, a huge victory. We had forty four point five, five, three percent voting yes, with fifty five point

four seven percent of Colorado voters coming out against Proposition 127. We won 59 of 64 counties statewide. Obviously, the urban demographic continued to vote in favor of it as we've seen in both Prop 114, which was the Wolf Proposition in previous ones, but we've turned the tide here in a very real and meaningful way. Go ahead. Oh, no. What I was going to say is within this, I think that what I'd like you to touch on too, when you talk about what worked is, I just want to point out to listeners, is there's this obvious thing where this was not, that 55% of the vote in Colorado was not coming from

houndsmen. I mean, you don't have, you know, you got probably sub 1,000 houndsmen, but it was voters not just not voting about a thing that they felt was going to immediately affect them individually, but coming out to vote against a dangerous trend in wildlife management. And it wasn't motivated by deeply personal incentives. I think that's exactly right. And that underscores, I think, what was so unique about the way in which we approached this campaign. So, you know, I think there's three primary takeaways here The first is when we as a community can find cause to coalesce around a particular issue and a singular strategy

And we do it in a manner that supports a professional campaign We as sportsmen and women can win these things We had an awful lot of naysayers early on who bore witness to the outcomes of Prop 114 and frankly every other ballot measure that's been put forward that's wildlife related in Colorado and there wasn't a lot of faith that we could pull this off but we took a very smart and strategic approach in how we developed the campaign which brings me to the second takeaway that I think is probably of the greatest significance and the lesson to carry forward as we begin to continue this fight in other

states. And that is, and tangential to the point that I just made, but how we engage matters. It's relatively easy to take stock of this outcome and believe that the effort to rally our troops and just fight the anti-hunting efforts is the only factor that led to this win. On the other hand, while that is certainly important, I think what is of far greater significance and the reason that we actually won is we intentionally and strategically engaged the non-hunting voting population with messages that resonated to them. We knew early on in order to win that we were going to have to dedicate the majority of our campaign efforts to talk into that persuasion universe.

And we're talking soccer moms in Denver and Boulder who have never purchased a hunting and a fishing license. When you make up 8% of the population, you can't rest on your laurels. You need to be very concerted in your effort to talk to folks and meet them where they're at with a message that means something to them in our landscape. And we were able to do that effectively. And I think that is the real core understanding and takeaway coming out of this. But the third is, these are not partisan issues. I think all too often we get wrapped up in thinking this is a Democrat versus Republican fight. But look, I mean, we outperformed 127 even by a full point over Colorado that went 54 percent for Harris. It's a clear demonstration that voters of all variety, Democrat, Republican, independent, unaffiliated, all resonated with our message

and turned out even to the point where we were exceeding votes cast for President Harris in Colorado. It's just it's a remarkable outcome. Yeah that's incredible. Now I got to ask you a question I might be totally honest with you and I'll be honest with you in my asking of it. I got I privately got a little pessimistic leading up to the election. Were you surprised or did you know how this was going to land? Um, look, this was a long fight for those that work in this world. You always go through the roller coasters of up and downs and numbers change throughout the course of the campaign based on what, you know, voter sentiments

are, uh, it became relatively evident to us about two weeks out that we were very likely to win this. We had that was right when I started to get pessimistic. Loop him in next time. Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's inherent in human voter behavior to worry. Right. Yeah, we had we had pretty good indication based on the data that we were collecting that we were likely to win this about a week and a half out. I will tell you, I did not anticipate an 11 point margin by any stretch of the imagination. That was surprising. Yeah. Well, congratulations, man. You were in there and I know that, you know, as you

eagerly point out yourself, you were in there along with many other people on it. Fantastic. You guys did a fantastic job and congratulations there and hopefully this will lead to a long string of victories as hunters and anglers continue to need to fight against an animal rights movement that would seek to shut down our way of life. So man, hats off. Fantastic job. Thanks for coming on. Well, and I want to thank you guys for all that you've done. I do want to give a shout out to Dan Gates and the wildlife management for leading the charge on this. Mark Trueaxe, who ran the day to day campaign, did a fantastic job um, look, you hit the nail on the head.

This fight's not over already. This morning, cats has come out, um, calling on the Colorado parks and wildlife commission to take a very close and concerted look at whether we ought to continue to allow the use of hounds for, uh, Jason Lyons. So, you know, this fight is, uh, I think, you know, let's take a moment and pat ourselves on the back for the victory in 127, but we're a long ways from done. Yes, sir. All right.

Thank you. And I'll take that to heart, man. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Jumping out real quick to a friend of ours, uh, Cody Ferrien, Cody's been on the show in the past and, uh, he was on a long time ago. We did an episode with, uh, power hitter,ter, New York Mets power hitter, Pete Alonzo.

And Cody was hanging out with us, and we talked about Cody's business as a, he does feral cattle capture. So now and then you wind up in a situation where people got feral cattle running around, could be on, posing a public arrest, or posing a public be on, uh, po, posing a public arrest, uh, blah, posing a public threat on public lands, um, public safety issues, habitat destruction, whatever, and you'll need to get these cows caught.

That's Cody's business, catch wild cattle. He's also a land and ranch manager and does, he's a very avid lifelong houndsman and lion hunter welcome to the show Cody thanks for coming on man so Cody was waiting and he's he disappeared a few minutes ago so he's in the green room we just I just can't see him and I don't think he can hear us so I don't know where he went oh we lost him we lost him we lost Cody just I'll tell you what I was going to ask Cody, have we not lost him? And you guys can just make up your own question in your mind is I would have to wonder, like I've often said, and I hesitate to bring this up. I've often

said that like if all of a sudden, if also hunting became illegal for reasons that I didn't think were justified in terms of wildlife populations. Would you then become like, w w w would you become like a out Robin Hood and outlaw Robin Hood type figure? I was going to ask Cody. If you're a houndsman and you have, and you have hounds and your whole life, you're a houndsman and you have hounds, and your whole life you're a houndsman, you like to chase lions, and all of a sudden they say you can't, do you then just go and be like, what do you do? Take your dogs for a walk in the woods?

It's hard to keep a low profile as a houndsman. Yeah. Dino. If you love to bow hunt whitetails, you could probably pull that off. You'd be like, you know what, I think I'm gonna probably take a little mosey in the woods of my bone on that. But yeah, it's hard to like quietly take your hounds out. I don't know what you would do. I'm not again,

I'm not here to give legal advice. The thing is, is you'd probably still be in business because they'd outlaw hunting, but then the game agency would call you to help them deal with nuisance cats. They'd be like, okay, now we gotta pay people to kill 500 lions a year. Are we doing an indefensible law? Mm-hmm. Who's got one? Dun, dun, dun, dun.

You wanna go first, Randall? Doesn't matter to me. I'm happy to go. Do you not have one? I'm just waiting for the, who's got a job here. We've got a million indefensible, I got a million indefensible laws.

I mean, I was trying to think of one and so many of my laws I found are just purely, I mean, defensible. I have a hard time arguing against them. To you they are. But in the spirit of this week, having seen all of the, I voted, make sure you get out and vote,

make sure you do this and that, I was reminded of a law that I have thought about, I think about it every spring. And that is this, I wish it were illegal to publicize draw deadlines. Every- Make it more of an insider's game. Every March, April, May, you see people posting like,

don't forget to apply for Moose Goat Sheep. And I think to myself, I've had those on my calendar for months now. That's a great point. And it's not that the agencies would still publish the draw date, it wouldn't be a secret, but people would actually have to look up

when they need to get their applications in. Because I think if you'd forget to apply for a bighorn sheep tag, and this is where maybe it becomes a little bit of a hot take, that you shouldn't then draw one. And I'll point out too, that people, when you are looking for a job

and you see a great job ad, you're like, oh, this would be a huge opportunity for me. Do you send it around? Do you post it and say, hey guys, I found this job ad. Look everybody, an amazing job. Some guy is not looking for a job who's maybe perfectly happy without that job throws his resume in and that guy gets The job so I would just ask that you know, it's sort of fun to advertise that you're participating in this in this thing you know, it's sort of like a

Badge of pride or sort of identifying with your tribe by saying hey don't forget I'd actually prefer that those people who have forgotten to not apply. But let's be clear, you're trying to use this law to reduce competition for yourself. Yes, and to make it more like more of a, if you get it, if you deserve it, you deserve it by remembering.

I'm not, like I love it. And I'm not trying to, this is the one way I think, like I'm not trying to make it harder for people to apply. I'm not trying to like price people out. I'm not trying to like keep new applicants out of the pool. I'm just saying if you can't remember to put in for those once in a lifetime tags. Put a little notice on your Google calendar.

If you can't, if yeah, like, there's a bare minimum threshold. That's a great point it I like that law let's pass it and then I think we should do away with those little stickers you get with a flag on it that says I applied yeah you know exactly you know that's what made me think of this you need a gavel to prove the law where's your fish bonkers Brody's was your uncle's fish bonkers? Dad's fish bonkers? Approved. Now I want you to know, I've never done what you're saying.

The only time I would ever remind someone to apply for something is if I wanted to go along if they drew it. Right? I only do it if it affects me. Yeah. to go along if they drew it. Right, I only do it if it affects me. Yeah, I thought of one that related to this whole voting comp, this whole, you're tying it into like I voted congratulatory stickers, which Corinne was running around and I gather. I think this is an old idea. I think you

shouldn't be able to vote unless you can pass a quiz that everyone, like both sides, everyone agrees on the questions. A current events quiz. You have to pass the current events quiz. And if you need to opt for an oral quiz, we'll provide staff to give you an oral quiz. I don't think you should just be able to go down there and vote, because leading up to the election,

I would be talking to people and they'll tell me things and I'll be like, what you're saying is just not, like that's not a thing. You're talking about a thing that's impossible. What about like not only current events, but a little like- American history. Basic civics.

I think then you're gonna get in trouble with people. This is already an incendiary, this is the definition of an indefensible law. I mean, I did have that. I had, I actually had an analog to that in my, uh, in my indefensible law, which was like, you have to identify. The animal, like if you're putting, if you're putting in for

a bighorn sheep tag, what for a bighorn sheep tag. What is a bighorn sheep? Yeah. Point like here's three animals point out. Cause like perhaps even identify a legal rant to hunt bears. Yeah. To hunt bears in Montana. You have to be able, you have to take that online quiz. You know, this is a grizzly. This is a black bear. How do I unpass a law? This is not accepted because I applied for a Sam Bardier tag in Florida one time and I wouldn't be able to tell you what it looks like. I still to this day couldn't tell you what one looks like. If I draw it I'll find out. In the reconciliation process I decided to do

away with that because I did think that was a barrier maybe too far it's just like do you want it you can figure out what it looks like. like my body said she really Sam Bardier on some island in Florida I thought that sounds fun. I don't know what they look like. Yep But and also he reminded me but it wasn't a public announcement, bro. You got one. I don't text your buddy I got a big one catch and release fishing should be illegal. Oh, come on. Yeah Yeah, 100% Come on! 100% indefensible. It's appropriate that I approve this with Brody's fish bonker.

If any given species of fish on any given body of water can't support a catch and keep season, you shouldn't be able to fish for them at all. Like, come on! And the dudes that are patting themselves on the back after a 50 letting 50 fish go in a day I mean they kill exactly and finally if You were to sink a cable into the ground and attach a big cable snare to it Put a little noose on there and bait that that thing with a carrot or an apple and get a deer

You know then mess with it, take pictures of it, let it wear itself out, let it go, you get thrown in jail. Like people don't look at fish the same way. You killed that buck, no, I just caught him. Exhausted him, took a picture of him. Brod him around for a while. And I shook him around in the water for a minute and he's good.

Yeah, well I kinda had to like resuscitate him a little bit. Yeah. I'm not sure if he lived. I breathed into his nostrils. I mean he kind of limped off. Yeah man. I had to push him two or three times though. But it's like fish just, they'd get treated horribly.

Because they don't have eyelashes. You know you'd have to make exceptions. If they had eyelashes you wouldn't be able to do that to them or souls either or you'd have to make some exceptions and let people go let you know if it's like an unintentional bycatch of a fish you're not supposed to be fishing for but yeah man it should be illegal I feel here's the one last listener feedback we've got your buddy Cody in right now he's kind of popping in and out but let's let's give it a shot here.

Hold on one sec. Holy cow, he's back. Cody Farian! Hey, what up? Listen, oh, there you are. Cody, I wanna ask you a question. I don't want you to admit that you would become a vigilante.

What in the world, as a lifelong houndsman, lifelong lion hunter, you got, I don't know how many dogs, right? You got, you've got livestock, you got horses, you got dogs, you got the whole infrastructure, you spent your whole life doing this. You always look forward to the winter. All of a sudden they come and say, Hey, we had a vote and you're not allowed to do that anymore. What in the hell would you do? you're not allowed to do that anymore, what in the hell would you do? Be pretty tough to take, right? It would almost take a, an honest person and turn him into an outlaw for sure.

Civil disobedience. Allegedly. Uh, how are you, how are you feeling that day, man? Was that the thing you, was that the part of the election you were watching most, most sort of, uh, most hotly, most personally? I was in the top two for sure. But yeah, I was kind of real pessimistic there at the end of it, but we had so many good people

pulling for us. And I think education was kind of what really in the end pulled through, just like Mr. Gasper was saying that there was a lot of people that voted for the wealth of the animal, you know, just not for, because they were educated in the fact that they knew to do the right thing. So it worked out good for sure. But there is still what two million uneducated people that were going to, to enlighten on why we still need hunting and use the North American model to do so. And, and yeah. Amen, man. Tell us real quick who's behind you there, Cody.

That would be, uh, I got Jay Z, uh, and Selma. Yeah. You guys doing a victory lap? Yeah. We've been dancing all morning and Cody, when does your season start? Like when are you going to go out and start looking for tracks? I'm actually, we're hunting cattle down South. Now we've got some snow down, down by Los Alamos and we've been down there running dogs and then lion season will start the end of the big game hunt for season, which is the end of this month, plus CPW, which there's a great group of guys down here with our Colorado Parks and Wildlife, they are employing another lion study in this unit or these units down here.

So not only will we be able to pursue lions and take them, but we're going to probably call her a bunch of lines for CPW for a line study. So it's all good. Excellent, man. Keep up the great work. I always love hearing your stories. Thanks for coming on. We'll catch you with you. We'll touch in with you again down the road once Lion season gets rolling. Cody Ferrien, thanks so much, man.

Awesome, thanks guys. All right, Phil, did you wanna do one last feedback? Yeah, I mean, we'll turn this into kind of like a feedback slash promo because people have some questions that I think we've got answers to. When are we getting season 13 of Meat Eater? I thought this would be a good discussion to have about Rough Cuts and these people haven't heard.

Rough cuts is available right now. We just started launching a show that we did, that I'm hosting called Rough Cuts. It's kind of a different sort of look at a lot of the issues and practices that we like to get involved in. Our first rough cuts just launched on Monday. It's about trapping. We're gonna run a bunch of Rough Cut episodes coming up in the next weeks. And at the same time, I'm working on a season 13 of Meat Eater as well.

But we've only filmed one episode so far, but we got a bunch more coming up and we'll get another season of Meat Eater under wraps in the future here. And to follow that up, since Randall's here as well, Mogor's asking about the next audiobook. And also, is it very exhausting? Are you making that assumption based on my appearance?

Couldn't? Exhausting or exhaustive? Both. Both. It's coming along great. We're actively recording it right now. We've got most of the chapters under wraps. It is the history of, so if you remember when we did Meat Eaters American History, The Long Hunters,

we covered the deer skin trade. So, our kind of, one of our figures of focus was Daniel Boone, who was a deer skin hunter. Now, the one we're currently recording, we jump into the mountain man era, which is the beaver skin trade and recovering the years. The long hunters covered 1763 to 1775. The mountain men, so meat eaters American history, the mountain men, which we're just finishing, that'll be out very soon, covers 1803 to 1840. It covers the mountain man era. You probably think you know what a mountain man was, I think you're going to learn a lot more details about it. It is a enlightening, at times quite gruesome. Very gruesome. Very gruesome, a lot of violence. A lot of eating weird stuff. A lot of eating weird stuff,

story of the Rocky Mountain Beaver Trappers. And one of our primary figures of focus in that is Jim Bridger. From there, we will jump into the Buffalo Hide Hunters. And that will probably, when we bracket those years, it'll probably be 1866 to 1882. And it will be available, I believe, early February. I think it'll go on pre-sale sometime in mid-December,

according to our latest understanding. Yeah, and it's gonna seem biased, but it is a phenomenal, it's a phenomenal work. And then after that, work and then after that it's what I wish would have existed my whole life after that They're gonna start coming out at a quicker clip quicker clip after that. Yep Great. All right, uh End outro video. I haven't done this in a long time. What's that mean? Oh, we're gonna play the outro video and then stay tuned for a video that Spencer took of him shooting a And then stay tuned for a video that Spencer took of him shooting a

Then an elk bull elk. Oh, so that's not the end outro video. We're gonna play the the bumper outro We play the theme song again a rollicking theme song. It's gonna fade to black. You're gonna see You know sort of like ending video. I said you see Spencer kill a elk This is a very nimble program I guess I'll stick around to watch thanks guys see you next week thanks everybody That was a good shot. If you got another, that was a good one man. I'm pretty sure he's fatal. He's struggling.

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