The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 626: Our Girls Are Here To Kick Your Ass

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Steven Rinella talks with Rosie, Aina, Mable, Haddie, and Janis Putelis.  Topics discussed: Youth hunting; how to keep your spot a secret; killing a big buck on your first ever hunt; and more.  Outro song "Bull Mountain Blues" by Evan Fogle Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Check it out at firstlight.com. F-I-R-S-T-L-I-T-E.com. Joined today by big time mule deer hunters, Ina, Mabel, Hattie, and Rosemary. Welcome girls. Hi. Hi. You guys mind hitting everybody what you know what you guys are still the age where people always ask you do people always ask you how old you guys are I know sometimes it's pretty common I met a kid you last night I asked him what grade he was in then he kind of laughed about it I said you know I don't actually care what grade you know I was

trying to make small talk what grade you in eighth Eighth grade. Okay, Mabel? Fifth grade. Okay, Hattie? Seventh grade. All right, Rosie? Sixth grade. Great. Well, you should know that. I know what, like, I know that you're in the middle school. Which when I was growing up, it was junior high,

but here about this middle school. You guys have all been hunting, Mabel's your first year hunting in your state that you live in. You need to be, how old to start hunting? 10. How old are you? 10.

Okay. And then you can hunt, how many years in Montana with your parents, with your dad, before you need to go do hunter's safety? It's a quiz show, Mabel. I have no idea, like 13? No, you can't hunt 13 years with your dad. 12?

You can hunt two years as a mentor, as a mentee. So this is my last year or next year? Your first year. Okay. But I hunt squirrels with you. Yeah, this is where it gets complicated Very good point very good point Yeah, you don't need it in Montana. You don't need a hunting license or be any sort of age to hunt squirrels rabbits What else coyotes any non game animal? Yeah, yeah, so you can hunt in our state, and every state's different.

In our state, you can begin hunting at 10 for game animals, like let's say deer. You can begin hunting deer at 10. You can also hunt for two years with a mentor before you have to take hunter safety you just happen to start your mentored hunting at the age of 10 but let's say you never hunted till you were 12 you could still do two years with a mentor before you had to do hunter safety but since you kids all started at the bottom end of the age

bracket you can hunt two years with your dad, and then you gotta do hunter safety. So we'd have to do it one more 12. You'll have, yep. And, and, uh, I know you've done hunter safety. How'd that go? It was pretty good. It took a while, but I got through it. You cheated the system a little bit. Can you explain that to people?

She doesn't look at it that way. Explain how you, I look at it like you cheated the system. But she's gonna, Rosie's gonna cheat the system. I am. Really? She's gotta do it this year. He just wants to know how you did it without doing a field day, I think.

There's virtual field days where you go around and they like show you a video of how it would work. And then you say like, oh, this is wrong. And there's no really, you write around the wrong answer. It's a virtual field day Yeah, so you don't really get quiz in that part It's just kind of like a you pick an answer you don't have to in this video It says if you're right or wrong

But some people probably don't care about that and just skip to the entire thing like three seconds on all the videos that are like five minutes long I don't know if you do do you think you'd be able to skip it all and still pass? No I don't know if you do do you think you'd be able to skip it all and still pass? Story do you hear my story of my buddy? Another buddy Stephen whose daughter was just watching funny cat videos as that's cuz you know how they put the little timer on there Right, so you can't just click all the way through and she went to take the test and she failed to do the whole thing again My boy funny cat videos Should have do the whole thing again

My boy funny cat videos Guys, I love those you guys know you guys know of course You know and hunt with James when James had to do hunters when he had to do his archery certificate, okay? He did a hunter safety where you go do the actual not virtual field day with the actual field day he needs to go get his archery certificate and He comes in and it's all online and he comes in and it's all online and he comes in and tells me that he failed the archery certification thing by like a point and I'm livid. So I sit down with them and do it and me and him fail. I don't know maybe we really have to go look at the stuff because what they

it's so poorly written that it's like it's has stuff like what is a piece of archery equipment you can do without stabilizer Finger tabs it was you know and you're like what that's so subjective It was like what's the best cookie? you know like nope wrong and You know, they're like, nope, wrong. And a question about how long should you wait before you start blood trailing, right? But you got to, you know, it's not what work,

it's sort of, you just got to go with what was in the thing. Mm-hmm. It's a bad experience. Yeah, they're not giving you a lot of context around those questions. Yeah. So, Mabel, you got it done. Hattie, have you had to do hunter safety yet?

Uh, I already did it, yeah. Did you do the virtual or real field day? The real field day. You did? What happened down there? Uh, you kind of got like showed around and then you practiced different shooting positions on like clay birdies and then you practiced using a shotgun and then you went through a bunch of like other things like passing through a barbed wire fence and like practicing all that stuff. Like when you throw your gun over and then climb through?

Yeah. Was it boring though? Yeah. It was kind of boring and it dragged on but it was fun. When your dad, Hattie's my neighbor, I'm buddies with her dad. When your dad learned that you were coming down here, what did he ask you not to talk about? Remember?

Her dad wanted her not to talk about how he had to curse at her during hunting season this year. Sorry, Dad. It was the heat of the moment though wasn't it? Sorry dad. Yeah your dad got emotional during the heat of the moment. Yeah I was like. He was there to get some deer killed. And I was sitting right 50 yards from a buck and I was like just out in the open anything could see me and a deer was 50 yards behind me. And he had some strong words for you.

Well, he just said, get down, and yelled at me. But that was about it. He wanted you to keep quiet about that. Yeah, but you just brought it up. I've been training you guys up. Rosie, tell everybody where you hunt. Where the deer are. No, more, yeah, I'm a guy and I'm prying you on it like more

specifically what what river do you hunt on? No where Nunya river flows into Business Creek. That's right well it's Nunya Creek flows into Business River. Same thing. Hattie, Hattie you had a, your school counselor was trying to pry some info out of you. Yeah but he was just asking like where it was. He was asking a bit much I felt. Well he just like there. Well he just like asked a lot of questions like over and over again. He asked if we drove up there and I said yes. And then he asked if we went on a boat down the river and I said no.

Yeah, because we were hunting the park. Yeah, I drove up, we drove up to Yellowstone. And then I was like. Tell him we hunt right in the park. We hunt right in the park where the Rangers don't go. Yeah. Did you get the, Mabel's your dad schooled you on this kind of thing?

I mean, yeah, you definitely sat us down, and we, yeah, we. Around the campfire, you had a big meeting about this. Have you guys been, Pride yet, for any location information? No, I mean, like my teacher, he was like, so, where you go hunting? And I was like, oh, I honestly have no idea, because it was my first year, like he was like so where you go hunting and I was like

Oh, I honestly have no idea because it was my first year, and I actually didn't know where we went So that was pretty fair, but then if somebody asked me now. I just be like Like either I don't know or we like go somewhere different every year or I just do the joke Rosie did I? Know I like the one better where you say like, where the deer are, like where are the deer are? Where are the deer? Where are the deer are, you know? Deer camp, yeah. Yeah, deer camp.

Deer camp. We go to deer camp. We just drive the highway till we see one of those signs that shows the deer crossing the road. And then we're right there. And then when one comes and crosses the road, we just get that one. Do you guys feel that, Aina and M Mabel do you guys feel that if your dad?

If your dad quit hunting right now, would you guys you feel like you'd keep it going or you feel like you'd quit too? I'd probably keep going really yeah, there's a lot of really fun benefits They actually have an opportunity this weekend Jennifer And I went for a walk looking for pronghorn yesterday only day day we have for her tag and didn't happen. We didn't see a single one. And, but this weekend season's still open. I'm gone, but these girls might go and sort of kind of guide and try to help their mom get on a pronghorn.

Really? I wanna have pronghorn so bad. Seth's wife, Kelsey went out by herself and got one. And then she had like a dolly cart like the kind of dolly You used to carry boxes around in the store She was carrying it on one of those She had it tied to a dolly cart Brilliant

I thought she drug it out No she sent me a picture where it was tied to a dolly cart Dad when am I? Like a stack of cardboard boxes Those dolly carts aren't light I mean I'll show I I'll show, I gotta pull it up and take a look. I'll show you. Dad, when am I allowed to go Antelope, honey? Well, I think you gotta be 12.

Yeah, you gotta be 12. Yeah. In this state, you gotta be 12. It's pronghorn. So Cory, how old are your youngsters? I have one six-year-old boy. And you're taking all this in? I am, yeah.

It's, I'm loving hearing you guys and hearing how excited your kids are to be out there because I'm pumped. I got four more years. Yeah, I've had so the way it works is because we can do youth season. Our youth season just this year was well every year our youth season in Montana is two days long. Depending on the calendar, we had a couple of years where they kind of line it up with some days like when teachers are off. Beautiful. Good. So they don't have to miss as much school. They still gotta play a little hooky but not as much

hooky as they would have to otherwise. And then for the last couple years though the the youth season lined up with general. The two days before. So we could just yeah we could just roll right into general and we've had good luck killing bucks like in the general season because you can work the kinks out for the two-day youth season because youth day youth season is thursday friday And then general would open on saturday, but this year they separated again now. They're separate by a week And so we had our youth season this year was two days long Yeah, you guys were youth hunting during archery season.

Yeah, there was so off that it was, yeah, we even saw, yeah, there was people bow hunting while we were youth hunting, but we got our crew. We had six hunters and how many bucks did we get guys? Six. Six. Six. Six. That's a hundred percent. But one o'clock on day two. Everybody like, well not, no, most people got a buck at like around that time.

I got all four of you girls killed bucks within like 10 minutes. I know. Yeah, those were the biggest ones. I got the award for the smallest one. You got the smallest buck. Smallest buck. Hey, I got a question for you Hattie you Went out so you got your first buck last year Okay, you got your first you got a mule deer buck last year or no. No, what'd you get last?

You got a white tail buck. I got a mule deer. You got a mule deer buck. Sorry. You got a mule deer buck last year This year I want to get into your head a little bit on this this year You went on the first day of the season my understanding is you passed up a forky Mm-hmm because there was a big buck at the top of the hill and I wanted that one over a fork That's what was going on. Okay the second day you came in with a Forky, okay, walk me through what happened there like walk me through your mind your thought process The first day that I passed it up Okay, walk me through what happened there. Like, walk me through your mind, your thought process.

The first day that I passed it up? Both, the evolution of your thoughts. Oh, well, my dad and I were glassing, and we looked, and there was like a huge buck at the top of this spot. And I don't know what it was called, but, and then I was like, let's go up there, and he probably just bedded down in like that shady

ravines kind of spot you say that kind of stuff mm-hmm and So we were hiking up the hill and My dad tells me to sit down because he thought he saw it he saw a bunch of does that we I think we flushed He didn't curse at you. No. You just told you sit yeah, and then um a bunch of does that we I think we flushed it occurs that you know you told you sit yeah and then um and he like came down to me and was like there's a there's a buck right there and I was like is it a forky and he said yeah and then it came broadside for like a minute so I had like the like I didn't have like five minutes to think about shooting it or not I'd like right then and there shoot it

God and I passed it up because I felt like really rushed and I didn't have enough time and I was in that good position Understood and I really wanted to get the huge buck we saw on the top of the totally understood What makes you want to kill a big huge buck? for the fun of it, I Don't know. Show that counselor, huh? Look at that bad boy. So then the next day you go out and your thought changed.

By this point, it was the second day of youth season. Yeah, and I was like, I wasn't going to be picky because then I saw other people shot for keys. So I would have been fine if I shot one because other kids got one Yeah, so then I like I also said like first thing in the morning. I'm not gonna be picky So if I see a buck, I'll shoot it. There you go. Yeah I think it would be okay Even if everybody else killed three-pointers and you kill the fork, it'd still be okay as long as you got a deer

That's right. Yeah yeah they all taste the same. Mabel you got your first buck. Yeah. Okay tell us about that buck how big was that buck? He was a four by four. Cory perked right up there. Now Cory's one where you're hunting. Four by four. Yeah. Okay, tell me what happened there. I mean, I don't know, my dad, we like, army crawled on our like, you know, like on our hands and knees for like- Well something must have happened before that,

you wouldn't just be crawling out of camp. Well, we like, so we, you know, took off from camp and we were just hiking for, I don't know, like. Ever? Yeah, a long time. And then I feel like my dad, he just sees, like he sees some does like on the top of the ridge,

kind of up there. They were like on a ridge, a finger that was coming down into like this valley hilly sort of place. And so we were just sitting down and glassing for a minute, and then we decided, well, let's get a little bit closer to the doze so that if a buck pops up over there, then we can be ready and be able to be set up on the doze so that if a buck is with them, then we can get that. I gotta I gotta bring your sister into this little bit because you guys are together. Yeah.

Okay so so you two are hunting with your dad you guys are hunting as a three pack. Yeah. Have you two at this point because you see these does but you guys are both packing guns right? Yeah. Have you guys at this point, how have you guys determined like who's up? Who's first? I got the first shot for the first day and so we decided that it'd be better if she got the shot for the second day cause it was both our first.

But why would you get the first shot for the first day? Cause you've already hunted and killed her. I'm older. Huh. Yeah she's- This was your idea. No, you guys should explain this because people are gonna wonder. We also kind of agreed that I have gotten two turkeys and more squirrels than her so she should get the buckshot

I don't know how that works, but we decided that and then like the the first day We were just kind of all hunting together And you know cuz that's we were all together and you know she would that's, we were all together. And you know, she would, she had, she had her shot and stuff. And then- She had an opportunity. Yeah, she had an opportunity. And then she was just dry firing a little bit and- The buck slipped away.

Yeah, the buck, it wasn't spooked by us, but it just slipped away. I know when you were dry firing, you mean you were like, you were getting ready for the shot. Yeah. That's a good trick, isn't it? Just getting comfortable. Yeah, it's a really good trick, isn't it? Just getting comfortable. Yeah, it's a really good trick when you can afford to do it.

I just get so shaky. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, but then second day we decided it would be mine because- Because you stacked up all those turkeys. Yeah, I guess. Uh. But yeah, I had the shot second day and,

well, so. So we were on our way to try to get near those does. Yeah. Oh no, we actually got on those does. Yeah, so. Really close, actually. We were on the does and I was set up and my sister was behind a sage brush bush and then we saw on the ridgeline two bucks,

a four by four and a two by three on the ridge line and they were coming down. Well, first they were just like looking around in the valley searching for like dangers. So we just stayed really, really still. And then they were just like, they decided, I mean, I guess they decided they, they were going to come down into the valley. So we decided we should like go around the hill like behind it so that no no deer saw us and nothing would be like spooked

So we were just army crawling like up to the next hill or maybe next Were you army crawling? I mean, I don't know. I was kind of crawling on my knees because Well as long as you kept lowering him that doesn't mean I am lower than him because I mean I'm just like I was kind of crawling on my knees because, well... As long as you kept lower than him, that doesn't matter. I mean, I am lower than him because I'm just like, smaller human, but I did try to do on my feet and it was just like, I don't know what to call that, like crouching.

Yeah, it's like walking in a squat position, which is the classic thing that everybody likes to do when you tell them, we're crawling now, low and then no harder to school because then you just want to stand up and it's easier to just stand up yeah I don't know why I mean I was still lower than my dad so did you have to watch out for cactus oh yes oh it's there's a lot of cactus thorns out man it bad. There's a lot of cactuses. Lots of cactus and yellowstone. Yeah. That part of the park full of cactus. Okay, so go on. So

we were army crawling for a while and then we like kind of came up around like a hill and there was like sagebrush around us. My dad tried to help me get some grass out of the way of my shooting. Your shooting lane? Yeah, my shooting lane. And we were both set up. I was like up a little bit higher on the hill. My sister was, my dad was between us

and then my sister was a little bit lower on the hill. And there was like a road going by us, like on the other side of the hill, and then we're just watching the bucks. I could not find the bucks anywhere, because my dad said, oh, they're at the tip of the sagebrush. And I was like, well, there's a lot of sagebrush here.

I didn't say this, but I was like, there's a lot of sagebrush here. I have no idea which sagebrush you're talking about. And then finally he had to just look into my gun for me find them and then Hold the gun for me so I could get behind it. Yeah and My sister had actually called the bigger buck which was the four by four But because I guess the bigger buck had been doing a lot more broadside

Like standing broadside a lot more than the two by three. My sister, because she's so nice, decided to give me the bigger one. Because she was just, I was like, oh, let's just get the service. If they run away, I'll feel even worse. And then my, uh, so I just, I was, you know, set up on the bigger one. Um, and on the road beside us, um, like, uh, I don't know, I guess a group of cows had been like. Moon cows. Yeah, and they were going over the hill, but then they were all staring at us the entire time.

They were loud. And I was so scared that the bucks were gonna look at the cows and then try and look at us. And oh, that was like, the cows were just staring at us the entire time. But then it was, I guess, easy to forget about them because then just looking at us the entire time. But then it was, I guess, easy to forget about them because then I'm just like looking at the bucks. But then I, you know, like took my shot and I think I shot mine dead. I moved away from the

scope like after I shot so I had no idea where my buck was because I still didn't know where on the hillside my buck actually was. I just knew that in scope that was my buck. So I had shot him and I shot him dead, and then he rolled down the hill somewhere. We actually did have a little bit of a hard time finding him later, but maybe five seconds after my shot,

Ina shot. Her shot was a little bit low because my dad's range finder had lost all of its battery. Mm-hmm, tech reliant. Amateur. Yeah. Tech reliant didn't price his battery. But yeah, like we shot like two seconds after each other. Pow, pow. Yeah.

And then maybe like, maybe two minutes later, I think I'm a shot again to shoot hers. And I got the glory of watching hers fall down the hill. Very oddly. Awesome, man. You kids are Latvian too, right? Yeah. Do you guys, when you're telling stories,

when the gun goes off, do you go blouch? Like the Latvians? No. Do you know about that? Yeah. Yeah, we knew that. If you're a Latvian, in the Latvians know about that yeah yeah we knew that you know if you're a Latvian in a Latvian hunting story a gun doesn't go bang or it goes BOOCH I mean my dad my dad has that written on his orange we have a lot of laughs about that BOOCH yeah but I guess I have never said that in a story. Can you start please?

Wait, what? Oh, okay, I don't know. In the future. But yeah, I and Aisha and then we just, you know, stood there for a minute. My dad like slapped us on the back a lot because that's kind of what he does when we kill animals. And then, I don't know, we got up and got all our stuff. We had actually left our backpacks kind of back there,

like where we had been set up on the doze. So we had to go back and get those because, you know, army crawling is kind of hard with also like a big backpack on and my backpack is blue, which I'm pretty sure is a color that the deer can see and it's like a bright blue. So, you know, I left that behind. Yeah. But then we went

and grabbed those and then we're just walking up the hill to find our bucks um Inez was found pretty easily because you know like me and my dad both saw that one fall down but ours or mine was a little bit higher up so I had to look for that one a little bit but yeah we we found him in the end and then we like butchered him and we're gonna come him. We're going to come back to the butchering part. Trust me. Mead Eater Radio Live is the newest addition to the Mead Eater Podcast feed. Every Thursday at 11am Mountain Time, we'll be going live from Mead Eater HQ on the Mead

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Well, almost anything. Okay, Rosie, can we move in? You know we've been teasing Rosie about, sit up, sit up buddy, so you're by your mic, okay? We've been teasing Rosie, we periodically remember this and then tease her about it for a few days. When she was real little. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no it for a few days when she was real little

When she was real little we're out squirrel hunting and uh And uh and all sudden I look and she's little Man like three Included that part in the story and she's back there you weren't you weren't carrying no She's just coming to cruising along behind us, you know, and we know and then look see what happened to her and she's back to go Spit spit something out She found some deer shit I thought that was only a joke that happened in real life. Yeah, it's an old guy She thought I was like a little chocolate nugget or something on the ground. No, we're like what happened Rosie

What is that? She was she had found that deer poop was like who was someone dropped her candy drop their raisin it So never remember that we tease Rosie about it so So Rosie this is your second buck right? Yep. Okay, and then you got your first buck last year, but not during youth season. Nope. What happened during youth season? What did happen during youth season? Oh, okay, so Jimmy my older brother had shot Adele and my dad Pinky promised me that the next deer that we got in this mystery place that we were hunting would be mine the next year that we saw

like the next year that we could get it's mine yeah you were up and um there's that was the Ronella family's last meal deer doe we were now are on a more there's a moratorium on meal deer doe killing in the Ronella household. So after Jimmy shot his doe, we went and started looking, and we got down in this little area to glass, and there was quite a bit of fossils in this area, and I was a little more interested

in the fossils than the deer. And I was very pissed. he was not happy with me he was like Rosie get over here Can I get my perspective on this a little bit? Yes you may. The fossils were in the worst sky-lit part of the day so I'm trying to train them to when you get to a crest we slip over very quickly over the top nestle into some brush and glass So I'm like, you know, okay, I'm gonna go over night over the top nestle into some brush and these two Get right up on the skyline and then lo and behold fossils Um, so I get down I'm like are we here to hunt I did the whole thing

yell and whisper we're here to hunt we're here to get that right yeah and I said he was like okay well if there's a deer that comes by it's your fault I'm not gonna feel sorry for you like you can he's like fine you know go look go look at the fossils because I had seen this one in particular fossil that I stupidly didn't pick up and then I wanted to find it again. But right as me and my brother are on the skyline looking for fossils, a humongous four by four

pops right up in this little goalie. Staring at your asses. Like how many yards away? 100 yards. Staring at you so big and well you know the whole thing happens when my dad like get over here so we get set up on it and he's already gone by that point he was not having any of it and then my dad's all mad and I'm like well we could go find it again and he's like we're not gonna find that thing again so we start hiking up. We started tracking it. Okay. Yes, we started tracking it and in front of us probably like

How many yards then like three three hundred yards? Maybe no just like oh three I mean he just got up at our feet well. Yeah, we followed him I Thought it was pretty far away. I mean when he jumped up and I said get him Jimmy. Yeah I thought he was far away. No he was like under us. Well he like popped out of nowhere and my brother just takes out his rifle and just shoots him and he wasn't broadside or anything. He just like shot him in the neck and got him and I was not happy I I I was not happy with my dad I was giving everybody the silent treatment cuz that big buck was supposed to be mine

So I was waiting in this little little side of a little mountain and While they tried to find this deer 30 minutes later. They're like we cannot find it. We need your help We're gonna go look. So we blood trail it, and we find it, and it's dead, and it's really big. And I am still not very happy. But yeah, so that was- I would say it's not youth deer season till someone cries. Hey, that is not me.

And so yeah, he got that. And then I learned to be happy for him because he was really happy. He got a really nice buck. Then I ended up getting one. I don't even know where I ended up getting one, but that place was called. Our friend's... Our friend's friend's ranch.

Yeah. I got a nice 3x3 there. And this year came around. Yeah. You know, I got a nice three by three there, but um, then this year came around. Yeah. Am I supposed to tell the story of this? You tell it. I'll tee it up a little bit. We went up, we got to our looking knob. No, I'm just setting the setting scene. You can tell it. We got to our looking knob and, um,

and, um, we see these two... wait, where are we starting from in this story? Like after I spotted the two... There's the party meadow. Oh, okay, okay. So we had been chasing these two deer and we got up on a skyline and they were there, but they were like far away. I wasn't zoomed in. I was not ready to shoot it at all.

So they ended up running away. And then all of a sudden deer started coming out of nowhere you know what we now know you know what spooked them what was Oh tell us girls shoot yeah you guys really and they didn't even know where shots came from we were like we were watching them and all city and they just got up, like the does got up and we're looking over and they just started milling around and milled off. But it just, it was enough to, yeah. They were, I mean, if I was- I mean, she got up and she just, like, it was, it was a ricochet sound and she

just got uneasy and wanted to leave. Hmm. Yeah. But, um, yeah, so I was, I had one of the bucks in my scope, but like I wasn't zoomed in, I just wasn't ready. Then they got spooked and deer were coming out of nowhere, but they were everywhere. Like there was bucks just like, almost seemed like they were running out of the hills. Yeah.

There's so many of them. And they all ran into this one little meadow that we called the party meadow because all of the big bucks were having a party there. So we end up starting to follow this little, we go on the side of this little mountain. No, no, no, no, no, Rosie. What? We watched four bucks. Okay.

One had a name. What was the one's name? Okay, one of the one's name was Houdini. And there was three bucks that we didn't name. And we watched them until they bed down. Okay. Right? So there's a bunch of bucks in the party meadow. And then we did what? When they bedded down. They bedded down. And what did we do? We walked. Well no, not before we what? We identified where, what our shooting perch was going gonna be. Oh, okay yeah. So we found, we, from this ridge line,

we found a good place to get set up on them. We knew where we had three bucks bedded and we knew what our shooting perch was, right? And we even like dropped little pins on the map. We think they're there, we're trying to get here. Yeah. So. And then we started walking. Now we started walking.

Now we start walking on this little side of the mountain where they can't, where the deer can't see us. And I ended up finding a deer shed. And we see this really, really old doe, just like bedded down in this nice little shady area. Don't tell everybody what we called her. Oh yeah, oops. You didn't tell anybody. I know but I almost did.

Well I didn't almost. So we see this really old doe and we're like worried because we need to get we need to like kind of go near her to get to where we're trying to go but we're worried that she's gonna scare the deer in the party meadow Yeah, so we like take our chances. We're like, well, it's gonna get hot So we should probably get going over to these deer So we take our chances she does end up spooking and then she ends up spooking another buck that we didn't even know about Mm-hmm, but he was gone so fast like they didn't blow through our they didn't We were trying to they didn't blow through our they didn't they didn't go through our box we were trying to get they didn't spook our box so we find our

little perch and army crawl over to well it wasn't an army crime because we were so close to them we were crawling like snakes yes we had to be very very careful we had to be very very careful because they I think it really easy for them to spook. Yep. And so we're in this little part where I don't know somehow my dad sees a bunch of antlers poking up but I do not see those so I take it takes a little time to find them but they're all bedded down and I'm lined up on the biggest one because you know why'd you take this

moment you can have the big one and the other one that I'm not another nice one stands up and I'm not even on him so I get on him and I cannot see his shoulder blade yeah because of the glare in the Sun. I'm gonna clarify this point too okay we're talking I'm saying I remember where you're gonna shoot it. I said you gotta see that you know you see the back of the shoulder in that little crease. So right in that crease halfway up and down and when the deer stands up there's nothing in front of it. But she's saying I can't see its shoulder. So I can't figure out what she must be looking at when she sees some other deer. But I realize tell what you meant when you

said you can't see its shoulder. Like there's a glare in the sun where the whole deer looked like this dark gray color, so I couldn't like see it. You couldn't see the actual crease. So I was like, my dad was like, just like try your best, just think about like think about where you're gonna need to shoot it. So I took my best guess and I ended up shooting it in the right place. Well tell them what happened to it, what was missing out of it.

It's heart. Yeah, blew the bottom right off the heart. Nice. So yeah, and we waited a little bit, ate some lunch, got over there and we couldn't find him for about like five minutes. And my dad was making me feel very doubtful about finding him. I was like, are we going to find?

He's like, I don't know. I was just too me. It's too many questions. Hey, no, but you did say that you can't deny that. I did, but I knew it was in there somewhere, but I couldn't figure out where it was. So I was just like, just give me a second. And it was laying right there. There's a lot of tall sagebrush.

Our friend showed us where like he found the deer Jeremy Romero yeah and we all went over there and he was actually like bigger than we thought he was yeah I was telling Rosie normally they get small when you find them you never find a buck and he's bigger thought he was yeah ground shrinkage yeah we had ground

growage never happens he did not look that big from when I was lined up on him But he was he's actually like a really nice three by three now so stud um Yeah Great Now butchering What you guys take on butchering I know you want to start out just your general impressions of butchering I personally really love butchering. I find it very satisfying. You gotta get on the mic closer. Sorry. Very like orderly and satisfying to just get

it all chopped up and stuff. You like, you appreciate the orderliness of it. Yes. Help me understand what you mean with orderly. I don't know it's just very like I personally find skinning animals very, very satisfying, which is probably pretty weird, but. Do you appreciate that there's like step one, step two, step three, that's orderly? Yeah, there's like these things you do, and then it like just all kind of falls into place

for the end result. Do you enjoy cooking it? Yeah, cooking's really fun. So you like that too? Yeah. Have you cooked any meat yet? Yes. You have?

Yeah. When I'm gone? Oh yeah. You guys help out in the kitchen? Oh yeah, but not when he's here. He's our personal chef when he's home. He can do it all. Mabel, what did you think about it?

Was this your first butchering job? Yes, I mean, other than kind of like squirrels, but I do not like butchering even a little bit. You don't like it? No, I don't like the smells. Or getting dirty. I don't know, it's like, once you get blood on your hands, everything sticks to your hands

Uh-huh, and then like any blood in her mouth of the stomach and then yeah Did you notice that your farts smell like the guts afterwards? Yeah, I mean I feel like I had like called deja Maybe it's not true I don't know like I don't I don't normally try to smell my parts I don't know like I don't I don't normally try to smell my fart I guess it happens on accident. I mean yeah but I Don't like butchering especially like the stomach and that's it smells really really bad Well, Rosie likes when she gets done before she leaves

She needs to cut the stomach open. Yes. Which is the boringest stomach in the world. She always thinks there's going to be something in there, like a, like a mouse or something, but it's just chewed up grass. Well, I don't think that there's going to be something in there. I just like, I want to think that there's going to be something. Also, Hattie has some stuff to finish off her deer story too. Oh, we'll get, yeah, we're getting there.

Where'd we leave it with your deer story? Uh, after my dad told me to get down from the top of the hill. Oh, we didn't finish the getting it deer? No. Okay, Mabel finished telling us about how you don't like it. Well, I realize we missed the end of the deer story. Good job Rosie, thanks for reminding me. You just don't like, you don't want nothing to do with it. I mean, I like, it's like cool because I know that like I'm gonna eat it and it like tastes really good when I eat it of course but like it It's never been like the thing and then when you're carrying it back like there's just like the juice everywhere

Juices everywhere you look except for the fact the one thing that I really liked about butchering is I brought up the idea of hot buttered buck nuts Yeah, and bringing those back to camp which was that was a whole thing. Yeah Well, I recommend that as you guys get older you and your sister continue to hunt together because you're gonna have a hell of a time With the butchering, but if she likes Yeah, it's like Jack Spratt would eat no fat his wife would eat no lean yeah they'll someday make a poem like that about you and Ina yeah probably you're a good leg holder you don't mind doing that I don't really care but like I don't like want to like stick my hands in its guts I don't like that. I get your pretty clothes dirty. Hey, okay You put you actually put blood on my pants. It was so cool. Well, yeah, that's all right

Maybe you'll grow into it. Maybe you won't I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. That's good though. Okay, so Hattie I'm sorry. We didn't get to the we didn't get to I don't know what that was bad hosting We didn't get to the buck. It's okay. Okay. So there we are. Your dad's screaming yelling at you the buck. It's okay. Okay so there we are your dad screaming and yelling at you. It wasn't like okay but um by the way sorry for sorry dad for bringing for Steve bringing that up but after he did that he told me to get down and then he started like glassing and trying to find it and then he said get over here and then he found it. And then he said, get over here, and then he found it. So he was like, take your backpack off and put it in this spot and carry the tripod.

So, and he was like, we're gonna get to the top of that hill and you're gonna army crawl all the way up there. So we did, and then he told me to set up the tripod. So I set up the tripod and then he was like glassing it, trying to find it from there, and he was like, we're busted, it sees us, and I was like, where is it? I don't see it, and then that went on for probably like six minutes of me not being able to find my buck

when it was staring right at us. How far away was it? Like 100 yards, not bad. Okay. Right at us how far away was it like a hundred yards not bad, okay? and Then I like find it and then I was watching it for a while and I Didn't see it move, but my dad did and it moved broadside cuz it like saw us move So it was like I'm out of here

And it moved broadside because it like saw us move. So it was like, oh, I'm out of here. So then he went up onto this like hill kind of spot and went broadside and my dad told me he stood up and I was like, where? I don't see it. And then I found his like white nose and then went off of that and just moved and right where I lined up his foot,

I found his foot and went up and right as I got on the top of his shoulder, I shot him and I thought he like ran forward, because that's what my last buck did, he ran forward, but he actually ran backwards and fell into this like ravine. So it took us 10 minutes to find him because he always like clumped up in like a donut. He was like a donut. He was hidden away in there. Yeah, so my dad thought he was a rock for a while

until he like took a second look when he went back around and then pulled him out and I was like, he's a lot smaller than what he looked like in the scope. Ground shrinkage. Yeah, and then he pulled, and then my dad pulled him to this like shade spot, cut him up. My dad's nice.

Did you help cut him up? Uh, I held the leg. My dad. Leg holding. Yeah. But my dad didn't want me to cut myself with his knife because they're really sharp. So he let me cut open like the bladder and like

the liver and stuff and look at the heart and all that. So do you like the butchering process? Uh, yeah. Next year he said I could help him with it. So then I just learned how to do it myself. Yeah. So when you go out with your friends,

you could be the person that butchers. Mm-hmm. Got it. And then what about, uh, did you carry some in your pack? Um, yeah. This time, I was actually able to carry a lot because I got an actual backpack. And last year, I was using, like, this time I was actually able to carry a lot because I got an actual backpack and last year I was using like a school backpack and it was an actual backpack and like this was an actual hunting backpack and, um, I was able to

carry a lot more, which for my dad, he said it felt a lot better on his back, but it was really heavy. You take some of the weight. Yeah. Sure. And then like he put it on my back and I was happy take some of the weight yeah sure and then like he put it on my back and I almost fell backwards because I wasn't ready for how heavy it was gonna be mm-hmm and then he had to catch me but then I was

fine and when I took it off I felt like a feather like a feather oh you got when I got back to camp I felt like a. When I was packing my deer, my neck and shoulders hurt so bad. And we were like a mile out. We didn't do your waist belt quite right either. So all that weight was on your shoulders. How many legs did you pack out, Rosie? I packed out everybody's gear. She carried all the gear and the head and we carried

everything else. The head was surprisingly heavier than I thought it was going to be. Well especially you know we packed them out with part of the neck attached so that we could take them in and get them tested and those heads get real heavy when you're packing them out like that. You guys, has everybody here done the, have you guys all had, did you ever come to do the trivia show? No. You never did? Okay, so these guys of Ina, Mabel, and Rosemary, you'll have to come, we're gonna do some more soon, have all done, have all, if you listen to our kids trivia show, our kids podcast, you guys have met, you listeners have met Ina, Mabel, Rosemary, but you haven't met Hattie. But these guys were all contenders

on Kids Trivia, which is part of our Kids Trivia podcast. We're gonna be, let me pull this up. When we started the kids show we always said, hey we gotta see how it does when we know we're gonna make more. We're gonna make more of the kids podcast. Season two of the kids show. Season two of the kids show, we always said, hey, we gotta see how it does, we know we're gonna make more. We're gonna make more of the kids podcast, season two of the kids show. Season two of the kids podcast, we're not done with you guys yet, you got more questions.

Season two of the kids podcast launches Monday, November 25, but here's the deal, it's on its own podcast feed. Before, when we did the kids podcast, the kids podcast was always put into the meat eater podcast feed, it's gonna live on its own feed going forward we'll probably do one or I don't know maybe one on the regular feed I don't know so November 18 so to find that you just search kids trivia well I'll get to that

in a minute what does the feed called that's good question yeah me either kids podcast good question if you'd like to listen to this, if you're listening right now on the day this episode dropped, November 18, we just launched the season 2 trailer and we posted season 1. So we got a season 2 trailer and also we're moving episodes 1 to five over to the kids podcast feed So now that we're getting serious about the kids podcast, it's gonna have its own feed We're gonna move episodes one to five on that feed and start adding to them every week We'll have a new drop of a new kids episode going forward for five weeks

It'll run through December 23rd day before Christmas. So we're kind of lining it up so when your kids are home for the holidays, whatever you got, the podcast feed, and then the next time we drop more, we'll drop it off, maybe the beginning of summer break or however we do it. We also got a new kids podcast t-shirt available in the Meat Eaters store right now. Now I got a new line of question for each of you. We're gonna go back to Ina.

And then we'll see what kind of questions Corey Corey might have some questions because as a person who's got kids coming up He might have some questions, but here's my question for I know what is the one piece of advice you would give to? moms or dads whoever Taking kids out for their first huntsts I would probably just say make it fun like don't try to push too much what it's good when you have it like when you have the capability to be push but when if you're taking like a nine-year-old out and they're just hunting with you or something and they're like oh I'm so

tired and if they're like younger than kids you're like us who we can be pushed We're old enough to be pushed, but it gets like unfun where then you're like Oh, I don't want to go hunting because I know it's gonna get so so hard that it's not gonna be fun anymore hmm That's fine. I asked you. I don't agree I Don't agree. That's your opinion. I asked for your opinion there. You have it. I bet you got pushed. Oh, yeah But it makes it makes you a better person a better hunter. Uh-huh But your piece of advice is don't push you really get pushed a lot Yes, she just gave him a look

One day we had her I know was gonna hunt with a different I and Mabel were gonna split up I know was gonna hunt with someone different. She wanted to know if they walked faster than her dad. And she was glad to hear that they did not walk faster. I got long enough legs where I can keep up with him, but if you go faster than him, I'm gonna be left in the dust. But he's one of the faster walkers I hang out with. Oh yeah.

So you're training at top level. Yes. Mabel, piece of advice for moms, dads taking kids hunting. I mean, like, honestly, like make sure that, not that I don't wanna go hunting, I love hunting, but like make sure your kid like really, really wants to go because if they don't wanna go and then you think that they do

and then you push them to go like every single time, then they're going to not want to hunt at all. You think so? Yeah. I mean, that happened with like my cousin. Oh, you know of people who... His dad had him duck hunt like all the time and he didn't like it because of I think the cold. But then like now he doesn't like doing it at all because he was like pushed to do it too much.

I love hunting I love that my dad pushes me because otherwise I probably wouldn't do it and I like in the morning when he wakes me up I'd be like, I don't want to go but that because he pushes me like He like makes me like wanna go and then I realized like how fun it is when I'm out there but like like make sure they do have interest in it because otherwise they'll just like be pushed onto it all the time and then they don't want they don't want to do it all that's something I'm really paranoid about is overdoing it over pushing them I disagree with me and I know whoa mm-hmm I disagree I got that's your opinion I'm glad you have I just don't think it's true Well, you've had good luck. Yeah, well, it's still early but with your three kids they've

Accepted pushing very well, but in my universe. I just know Too many that pushed and it wound up not working out really yeah, and it and it's sad. Because I feel, just plug your ears, Rosie. I'm not like, uh, at a certain age, I'm not interested. I'm just, I, I, I'm not terribly interested in what they want to do. Uh oh. Oh. No, I mean, it's true. Like we'll say we're going to go camping this weekend. Inevitably, inevitably, there's gonna be some, oh, I can't, I didn't want to, I was supposed to, I was gonna, right? We're like, it's just, we don't,

neither of us cares, me and my wife, you know, like, neither of us cares we're going camping this weekend. Go camping, come home, everybody had a great time. They don't wanna leave, so much fun. They're exhausted from physical activity, right? And if we had said like, you know, to little kids, do you want to go camping? I'm like, oh no, because I was gonna go to Billy's house and be like, okay, I guess we'll cancel that plan. Do you know what I mean?

Oh yeah, if I were to ask my kid what do you want to do this weekend, he'll say, I want to eat Fun Dip and stare at my tablet. Yeah, exactly So no, we're not doing that. Yeah, we just haven't I know it changes later but early on we just we kind of like we made a plan and that was the plan and You're able to mold them still. Yeah. Yeah, there's a point at which I agree. I'm sure it's true and I There's a point which agree, but I think that I see people too often I There's a point at which I agree, but I think that I see people too often. Um, I don't know, like, like cave. It's hard to get everybody out the door. It's hard to get everybody out the door. It's a lot of clothes. It's a lot of gear. It's a lot of complaining. You gotta have just like, you gotta be like the force of the tornado

and just be like, dude, we're going, we're getting the stuff. Maybe it's not perfect, but we're gonna get enough stuff packed and we're going At a point yeah, no, I think there it's a it's a balance right because that Depending on what scale you're using What you're describing might only be a three in someone's version of how much you pushed or didn't push Right, but maybe you escalate that to a seven and then all sudden they're just like, you know what? three in someone's version of how much you pushed or didn't push right but maybe you escalate that to a seven and then all of a sudden they're just like you know what really I'm done camping bro yeah yeah we're not like dragging them out yeah we're not like dragging them out in a fight and loading them in the car

yeah you're like hey kids you ever heard of winter camping? It's negative 10, it's still almost as fun, but cold. Yeah, I got you. Hattie, advice, and I might disagree with you. Well. What advice you have for moms and dads who want to take the kids out hunting from a kid's perspective, a seasoned kid. Okay.

If your kid wants to take a break, just take like a five minute break and let them, I don't know, catch themselves instead of just saying, no, we're gonna hike one mile and then you can take a break. I'm gonna tell you to disagree with YouTube. And also bring more food than you think you will. That I agree with.

I agree with everything you just said. I agree with that. I don't think, and I'm speaking to kids general, I don't think kids have a great sense of when it's time to take a break. Well also, we're not people who have been doing this their whole entire- okay, I guess yeah, I've been hiking for my whole life, but you're like 50 years old. I should be- I'm on the downward slide. Yeah, but think about this. You've been doing this your whole entire livingness

of 50 years. So it's different when you're like a little kid. No, you guys wanna take breaks in the dumbest places. We'll be down in some little ditch bottom where you can't see a single thing. Let's have a break. I'm like, let's have a break while we're up looking at fresh ground.

That's true. Yeah. Not true. Don't cable too much, but also don't push too much. I'll be like, we can have a break. See that spot up there? When we get to that spot, we're going to nestle in and we'll have a break. Yeah, that's, that's what mine is. Your dad likes to take breaks in the right spot. No, that spot. All right, we're going to go out there and then we can take a break.

That certain spot that you see is like five miles away No, we're not we're not almost there Yeah, you got you kids and everything that's happened with you kids. You'll appreciate this someday. They've trained you Like this whole thing with you guys and water is out of control Well, how about we save that for what I'm what my advice is? Yeah, I would like to talk Kid I mean just think about it. It sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield thing But like when I was a kid no kid had a water bottle No, we gotta save this for when I'm talking about like what like advice, okay?

All right, but uh, I'll get to your advice in one second. I wanna go back to this. The food thing I think is, I agree, 100%. I agree with breaks, but I think you guys don't have a well-timed sense of when to take them. The food thing, you're exactly right. Put way more food in your pack than you would ever think anyone could possibly eat

and of a greater variety, right? You guys hearing me? Yes. Huge variety, huge quantity. But don't worry about the water. I think about like the kid thing where the kids have like a bad sense of when to take a break. It's like, but if we get up to a good spot where we could take a break and it'd be like a bad sense of when to take a break. It's like, but if we get up to a good spot

where we could take a break and it'd be like a good spot, then my dad is like, oh, let's take a break instead of me saying I wanna take a break here. It's like we only like take breaks if we want to. Down at the bad parts because we like are tired down there for like some odd really bad reason. And he wants to take a break

when you don't even feel like taking a break. Yeah. Well like, yeah. But like, yeah like when we're in a good spot to take a break, like I would say take a break, but my dad's like, he like knows when we're like about to say let's take a break, and then he's like, all right, well like, you see that perfect spot up there,

we'll take a break up there before us saying it so it's like yeah got it so we're not he preempts you yeah I agree with your they don't choose the right time to take a break like you'll be in the middle of a ravine and they'll want to take a break but I feel like it's also depending on your age like you could be yeah like 15 years old and no one to take a break because you've been hunting for like five years you know so you'd understand like a sense of when to but like when you're when it's like 630 in the morning and you're hiking up this gigantic hill when it's pitch dark out

you don't know really know where you are and it's 630 in the morning so you'd want to take a break. But everybody else knows you got to get somewhere. Yeah, but... I'm not opposed to breaks because the best part of my youth hunt this season, I was with Rosie and her little brother Matthew, and we got to be noon and we were just staying out. We weren't going back. We just, you know, everybody stayed, had the plan to stay out and hunt all day till dark so it was noon and Rosie laid on my left shoulder and Maddie were laid on my right shoulder and they fell asleep and they didn't wake up till 2 and I'm used to taking like I'll take a power nap

with the best of them but I'm not used to the two hour power nap but that was very relaxing for me. No, it was almost three hours because we went to bed at like 11.30 and then woke up at like two, so. Yeah, and you know, we had a magic secret bullet in our packs. We brought a couple mini cans of pop.

Soda. So after nap time, you can bust out one of them cans of pop and that just gets you ready to rock. Alright Rose, what's your... Uh, Rosemary hit me with your advice to moms and dads taking their kids hunting. Then we're going to see if, what, Cory's going to have some questions for you guys I'm guessing because he's got a kid coming up. Um, alright so, just like, like what Ina said, make it fun.

Like I know this ruined my chance to get a big deer, but maybe do a little, like not taking a break, like sitting down and resting, like maybe going and just looking for bugs or something. Like anything fun to get their minds off of like hiking for a little bit and then also my dad definitely disagrees with this but drink water I mean I don't even see him drinking water anymore and yet he's almost against it well you've been to where he grew up right? You've been there right? It's all water. Yeah it's all water and it's flat and so it's not anywhere near the same thing as to where you're growing up and why you would

require you know to be packing around water and drinking water because he could he literally just like you're up to your knees in water. He just diverted and then he would just scoop his hand up into the lake and drink. I know but like if I go to school and I'm like I'm gonna get a water bottle He's like hey, you don't need a water bottle. You're fine Back in my day in the 50s. We didn't have water bottles. My kids got like 10 water bottles. Oh It's insane. No, whoever had the idea that it improves cognitive function to be hydrated Being hydrated idea that it improves cognitive function to be hydrated it's very very good yes being hydrated actually helps you live so it probably helps you kill bucks if you're taking your kids out make sure you bring lots of water lots of food um

and just like take like not breaks like sitting down breaks Blake breaks to just do get your mind off of like hiking and then get back to it and I almost think that your kids will do a lot better if they've had like a little mind refresh. One time I unpacked a school bag full of I don't know what kind of books and puzzles and games and coloring pencils and we went down into a ravine under a shade tree where you couldn't see more than 10 yards in any direction. We spent an hour there just coloring. And then we climbed out of there and lo and behold, there was some pronghorn up on the flat that we were about to hunt.

So the timing was perfect. Can I add something to my advice? Please. Cause I feel like the pushing it's really good. Cause like you don't love hiking when you're six, five, like nine years old. It's not the best thing in the world. Maybe even 10 or 12. Yeah, but it makes you a better hunter. I mean, obviously, it pushes you for everything in life, but then also it makes sometimes it not fun.

So taking the correct breaks, not too many because then it's like, obviously, you're caving in, it's like not just letting your child do whatever they want, but then not pushing many because then it's like obviously you're caving in is like a not like just letting your child do whatever they want mm-hmm but then not pushing so hard where it's like I never want to come out here and do this ever ever again what do you guys think about this idea wait I got one thing that so somebody very wise told me that she is a very athletic woman she is our family friend and I was running the rut with her and we were like, me and my friend were like, this is not fun.

We were like so tired and she's like, it's secondary fun. So when you are out hiking, it may not be fun in the moment but later you're like, that was really fun. I did really cool stuff. So yeah. Yeah, I got you. And you'll like the fact that you just pushed yourself really hard You just did a much like you went all that way and you know you're not thinking about it cuz you're like

Oh my gosh, my leg hurt my legs hurt. But then when you get back to camp, you're like, oh, yeah I walked like four miles or something and then you're like Yeah, got pushed you pushed yourself and you're like, yeah, it's like secondary fun, even though you hated it in the moment Let me hit you guys with an idea What if a parent was thinking to themselves well, I'm gonna go for broke I'm gonna I'm gonna either have a super a kid that's obsessed with hunting and fishing or I'm gonna burn them out They never want to go again And you're like I don't care about the middle ground

So I'm gonna push as hard as I can push I and they never want to go again. And you're like, I don't care about the middle ground. So I'm going to push as hard as I can push. I might get a diehard hunter and angler, or I might get someone who never wants to go again. I know I won't land in the middle. Is that a good approach or a bad approach? And just push it hard. Bad.

Bad. Bad. That's bad. I'm listening to them. I wanna know, what's the favorite part about hunting in general? You guys can look back at a recent trip and say, oh, this was a real highlight

and this is why I like doing this trip and going again, or just generally why you guys like to go out hunting. Well, I feel like when I'm hunting, it's... I mean, I've always been, I guess, pushed to go do things, but not in a bad way. Like, my dad gives me the option. Like, if I say I don't want to go, he's not gonna... I mean, sometimes he's not gonna force me to go.

But I feel like what I really like about hunting is that even if it's like a little sad that, like killing things, but like in the end you're like feeding your family and it's just like really rewarding. Yes, I agree with that a lot. Yeah, it's like rewarding to like your, like I guess emotional state, like your ego

that like I went out and I killed an animal and I'm like feeding the people, like I guess my family. And then I like hiked all this way and I like carried meat and I like did all the steps and now I'm happy that I did it all. And it's like just nice to think of that I guess. What I think about is that you're spending time with like your parent that went with you like I went with my dad and I liked spending time

with him and killing an animal With him and like being able to feed my family also while Spending time and having like and creating memories It's great Also, just like being in the outdoors with like when you go back to camp There's you're not gonna go on your phone you're not gonna do this like you're just gonna be in the moment more of and gonna go on your phone, you're not gonna do this, like you're just gonna be in the moment more of

and thinking about what you're doing then and not like what's gonna happen or what you did and you just kinda get to be in the moment of I'm in the outdoors right now, I get to spend time with my family, I get to put food on the table, I get to push myself to be like a better person and like a stronger hunter and a better hunter

and just there's so many like positives I feel like to hunting, especially after you've done the hunt itself. Oh great thank you. Corey you got more questions man? Well I had maybe some more technical gear questions. Oh that's great subject. Obviously you can't kill a deer with mind bullets so I'm curious what caliber you guys are all using? Six five Creedmoor. Same. Okay. And maybe those SIG crosses that have like the nice foldable stock.

Yeah. Easier to carry around. You're shooting a six five Creedmoor, aren't you? Yeah. I think so, yeah. It's a Creedmoor something. Yeah, it's a six five Creedmoor. Oh wait, I have one more piece of advice too.

Tell your kids not to be afraid to shoot a gun because of the recoil. Because most of the time when you're hunting as a little kid, you're not gonna get a big, heavy duty gun that's gonna blow your shoulder off. Like, I was- Well most of the kids also shoot suppressed rifles. Yeah, I was really scared, like for my turkeys,

not necessarily for my deer this year. I was last year, but like it's always the kick that I just get scared about I'm just scared That's gonna like a whole hurt my shoulder, but I think you should just tell your kids that like Would you rather be scared to pull a trigger? Cuz you're worried your shoulders gonna get a little bruise on it or like shoot an animal you know like Just tell them to let that it's like okay and that doesn't actually hurt and then maybe like maybe like maybe like do it and show them that it doesn't actually hurt like like pull it once on

you and say that like it doesn't hurt like I'm okay or don't bring us the first thing as in like oh here's a gun go shoot it but make sure but like watch out it's got a bunch of recoil like oh here's a gun like I hope you have fun. That's something my older brother would always do to me he'd be like oh Rosie that guns got a lot of kick and I was... Well cause he was jealous. I know but I was always I was always scared of the kick anyway and he'd be like he'd be like that guns got a lot of kick I'm like well I think that could be an example of pushing too hard right there is some minimum amount of Calibre gauge that you have to use to kill these animals and some kids at the age of 10

Maybe because of their personality or body structure size Like they just are not gonna be able to handle even a 410 or a you know really light you know six millimeter or whatever so you're just gonna have to wait and be patient. And the mental pushing of pulling a trigger and shooting something that is like a big mental like I'm gonna take this animal's life with like I'm gonna do it myself and the mental like don't push it too Isn't like a, you have to like do this right now. Cause if they like need a way, if they need to think about that, that's the thing that you have

to kind of overcome in your mind. Uh, Corey, I'm going to give you a couple of people you want to technical gear advice. Let me give you some technical gear advice. Earplugs, headset, if possible, suppressed. Something I was not provided. No matter. suppressed something I was not provided, but no matter no I'm not talking about hunting field shooting Cram their ear full of earplugs Cram it put head for your muffs over the earplugs

Put a couple layers on not a t-shirt. Hmm help pad layers on, not a t-shirt. Hmm, help pad. Heavy rifle, heavy bipod, if you can afford it and get it and do all that to get a suppressor, put a suppressor on it. And um, just deaden. Deaden everything down, because

I feel that they conflate the noise and the recoil into a sort of package of badness. Sure. And doing that double ear protection just sort of deadening the noise.

I think that you could have the same exact recoil and remove a bunch of the noise. And in their mind, it's just a much more pleasurable experience because I think that they're registering the loudness and the kick into just a generally unpleasant experience. So by shooting like heavy bipod, heavy gun, laying down, jackets on, we had very good luck.

To the point where I would tell people that every, we'd go through this two years in a row. When she finally shot her rifle, she would be worked up about it. She'd shoot a rifle and her rifle and she would laugh. Because you would giggle, because you had it in your head that it was gonna be so miserable,

and then you'd shoot, you're like, oh, that was fun. Because we did all those steps, right? Yep. Well, my kid just graduated from his Red Rider BB gun to a 22, which we've done some squirrel hunting this year. What should I do next? Six-five seems a bit much, but. Well, let's not jump've done some squirrel hunting this year. What should I do next? Like, six five seems a bit much, but. Well, let's not jump away from the squirrel hunting.

I mean, that's a, I was, someone else was talking to me about squirrel hunting recently, and I was saying, yeah, I think that's the reason my girls are the hunters that they are today, and the marksmen that they are today is because of the time that we spent in the Squirrel Woods. Familiarizing themselves with the 22, shooting a 22, hunting a hard to kill animal. And whoever I was talking to was like,

oh, I thought you guys just did it because it was fun and you like to eat them. I'm like, well, it is. But I don't know, would you girls agree? You guys got a lot of fair amount of practice on those squirrels. So when it came to switching to a deer, did it seem like it was easier? Oh yeah, it was definitely easier. You'd already been there. Yeah, because squirrels are hard. They're tiny and they run around. They're so hard to like find. And I was like very happy when I could get squirrels on my own that was like a really big achievement for me

just to be able to like like go out and like you trusting me to do that on my own and Like go out and like set up on a squirrel and shoot it and then have it like fall down from the tree And you hear it hit the ground Oh I Just had a satisfying sound I just thought of like a another tip for like the People going hunting with their kids soon like who are coming of age to it Like with the kick if you think if you're like practicing in like a field And um you don't know if they're flinching or not from

like the kick it gives. Act like you're putting it around but don't. Oh yeah. So then they dry fire and just watch them because then you'll know if they're actually flinching or not. Good point. That's a great idea. It's not good to close your eyes before you shoot them. Also, ah! Also that too. But remind them that, so every time I've shot my deer, the adrenaline rush, I never remember having a kick on my gun when I shoot a deer. So like remind them that they're most likely

not gonna feel the kick when they're actually shooting it. You don't even think about that part of it. Those are great tips. I know I've said like a lot about this certain thing, but I have one more tip. Water? Yeah, I would like to talk about water later, and you're not liking water. was that another tip for, well in my case, my mom, if you, if this is just in my case, like if you're a dad and you take your kid out hunting, make sure they're wearing ear protection, because in my case, my mom got very, very upset

that I was not wearing ear protection and had a pretty much like a whole speech about people losing their hearing and how my dad's ears are so bad to this day because he doesn't use hearing protection. And when I got my deer, my ears really, really started to ring. That's not true because it was a suppressed rifle. I could not hear Truthfully from the bottom of my heart My ears actually hurt like they hurt so make sure you bring your protection and always have it ready

Well in all fairness, you know the suppressor she was using is a one of those suppressors meant for a ours Doesn't get too much blowback. It's like a suppressor light So it just doesn't work? So it doesn't get too much blowback. It's like a suppressor light. Yeah. So it like amplifies the sound even more? No, it just kind of doesn't, it's not like a full like suppressed.

Yeah. That's what it sounds like. Itsy bitsy suppressed. Yeah, I didn't really appreciate that you ran home and told your mom about that to be honest with you. Ooh. I get in all kinds of trouble all the time. I don't need you adding to it, buddy Well it was part of my story. How afterward my ears really hurt.

Anything else Cory they can help you with this panel of experts? Well food is extremely important so favorite snack. Oh and water. Water is important too. Dad water is very important. Something sweet? Oh yeah. Like what Halloween candy? Candy, candy, candy. That's easy. Yeah, like putting, getting like bars that are sweet

but also have good like nutrition, nutrition's low. Dad, what are those bars that you can like put it together? Like Snickers are good cause they've got like the nuts in them. And stuff that they like actually wanna eat. Cause like there's some of the like bars that he brings them like,

I will not eat, ever eat that in my entire life. He's got some junk bars. Yeah My dad uses the best bars for hunting there It's a nature valley wafer Because they've got like peanut butter they taste so good that's a kid-friendly Those for like lunch and breakfast when I'm Bring that's a kid-friendly bar. I usually eat those for lunch and breakfast when I'm... Bring? That's a kid-friendly bar. High protein wafer bar.

Mabel, hot tip on food? Well, normally most of the hunting trips I like, the day hunting trips I go on, is the sandwiches and stuff. Make sure that you, before just making them a sandwich, like make sure you know that they like the sandwich and you could like send it to school with them because like I've made a sandwich for myself and I did, I put like a bratwurst in it or something

and I did not like that. It was like the juice of the bratwurst got all over the bun and it did not work. like so just to be clear You're saying don't just make them a sandwich Work with them to find a sandwich they like and then test that they actually like that sandwich. Yeah, then pack that workshopped Approved sandwich Understood don't be packing some nasty sandwich. Yeah. That no one wants to eat. No one's ever tested. Yeah, not to bring like juicy meat in the sandwich because then it gets all soggy and that's gross. Yeah. Totally understood, man. That's great. That's great. You getting that, Cory? I'm writing it all down okay Hattie favorite snack um so this happens a lot because I hear it at like when I was in elementary school I heard like little kids complaining about

their throats hurting after running or stuff like that because like they didn't drink water oh and their dad and their mouth was dry. Bring Jolly Ranchers because your kids can catch colds and a lot of kids like me, I don't like certain cough drops for some reason. They're like too strong and Jolly Ranchers will help so much. Jolly Ranchers.

Brought to you by your friends jolly ranchers so like you like suck on it and I'm all like the saliva in your mouth like help it it does like the same thing as jolly rancher just doesn't have like all the Blue raspberries, cherry and watermelon. Yeah, alright. That's a good tip. Rose, best snack? Um... The dried salmon? That is very... Okay, yes, probably that for one of them because dried salmon jerky, I was very, very tired and my head hurt. I did not feel good.

And I was just munching on that salmon jerky. And it practically made me like walk, it felt like I was like in a dream. Like I was just like walking along cause I was just munching on my salmon jerky. The effects. Gave you something to do. Yeah, that really did.

Wonder if that headache had anything to do with your dehydration. Like probably did have something to do with my, but I had my own pack this year that my dad got me and, and I could put. All the water you drink in there. Yeah, exactly, exactly. All the water you've ever wanted.

So I fed you the line about the salmon jerky, but if you had to pack your own snacks, what's your favorite? Well, I really do like protein bars, but every time I open one, my dad's like, make sure you eat all that. Cause he thinks that like I'm gonna, he thinks that I'm gonna open it, and then it's gonna be like, really disgusting, but protein bars,

I feel like the good protein bars, like the wafer, nature valley wafer. Chocolate wafer. Yeah, those, those, really good. And Reese's. Yes. Make sure you bring Reese's. Yep. Got it.

Coffee. Sugar. Coffee. Sugar and calories. Along with the jerky thing, I like being able to have a big piece of jerky and just chewing on it while I walk. Because I can just walk and kind of think that I'm restoring energy because I'm eating. But then it's chewy so, so I'm like doing something and not thinking about just like my legs hurt

and wow, this is really annoying and painful. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me tell you, you guys, brought me a lot of happiness this year. Made me super proud to hang out with you guys. It was fun to camp with you guys. It was fun to watch how hard everybody worked.

You guys got up way before it got light out. You were coming back way after it got dark. Hiked good, everybody shot good. You guys are fun to have in camp. You help out. You got long good. A lot of dish cleaning everybody helped out with. You guys go down and wash and clean dishes

Except for the boys. Yeah If Jimmy was here I wouldn't include him in this compliment good. I'm talking to the people in the room Listen man, I'm just talking to the ladies right now. Okay. I'm not none of the boys the ladies None of the boys are here. Okay. I'm talking to the ladies from the my hunting partner ladies You guys did a fantastic job made me very proud. What happened? You mentioned but I want to keep commenting for one more second I'm serious. You guys made me very very happy to be to go hunt with you guys It's a it was all it's an honor and when I'm an old man dying and someone asked me listen and someone says like what? Was all of all the honey did what was the the best fun is time? I?

Will I already know what I'll say there's no way there's no way it's gonna get any better is Hunting youth deer season and what makes it so special is you guys coming along, okay? Thank you, I appreciate that. Thank you. Thanks for taking us. You can talk about the hot buttered buck nuts now and then we're gonna wrap it up.

Like you guys gotta go back to school. Nothing. Well, no, before hot buttered buck nuts, I had something to add too. I had, you had that moment when you were taking a nap, your kids' nap twice as long on your chest there. But I think it was the last night we were in camp, you'd already been in your tent for an hour it seemed like.

Steve was in bed at 8.30 and the rest of the adults at like 9, 9.30 were like, all right, we've had enough, you know, we're going to bed. All the kids are up and I can, from my tent, I can hear them. There's no lights on. They're in this cottonwood grove and there's no lights on and all the adults are in their tents, like laying there and I can just hear, I can't tell what they're talking about but it's just chatter and I'm just thinking, man, how great. Our kids are just hanging out in the dark,

in the middle of Montana somewhere. They safe there's no screens there's no phones they're enjoying themselves they're comfortable where they are in their surroundings what could be better yeah yeah um let's just say during that whole experience me and Mabel went and got ready for bed but Jimmy and Hayden took the biggest sticks they could find. You weren't there, but... No, I know, but I heard it.

Hayden got a huge log that's taller than him and picked it up behind his back. And they started sword fighting. They started sword fighting and then almost slapped Jimmy in the head. That's why those guys aren't invited. Those guys aren't here. We didn't let those knuckleheads come down here. And we, when we were, what you heard was probably, well, me and Mabel, like I said, we eventually left but we were all playing a game that Jimmy made called Scream that got a little boring.

It's like where Jimmy and Hayden, which is them every time, it's supposed to be like different people but it's not. Jimmy made it up, they go into the woods and the rest of the people try to go find them and if you scream, you have to join the people who are trying to scare you. It's very fun. It can get boring at points when you're not in the right surroundings to do it.

Go. Let's touch on the hot buttered buck nuts. Yes. Mabel and Ina, go ahead, cause you're the ones that brought them back to camp. Hot buttered buck nuts. There's the jingle. Wow, that's better than any of mine.

Yeah. So like when we were cutting open the deer, you know, like butchering, we like, obviously we, we had him upside down and the buck nuts were like right there because you know, you like cut them off and stuff. So and the buck nuts were like right there because you know you like cut him off And stuff so like the buck nuts had been like thrown in the same direction And I like walked by and I was like hey Papa Well like they they had been I think one of like I know had been thrown

Like off to the bushes and then we were cutting open mine like we were starting You know where where you start butchering and I was like I was like oh like can we like eat buck nuts I started it with something like that or like can buck nuts be like like taken and eaten and stuff and my dad he started he was like he was like oh yeah and then we started like talking bug nuts, obviously, and yeah, we just started it, and then I had never heard from Hattie the sign of sex thing, but I mean, I guess we brought them back. You're talking about evidence of sex.

Yeah, but we just, I had just said, oh, can we eat those? And then my dad was like, oh yeah. So then we were talking about them. So I just put them in a bag, and then I put them in my backpack, and then we brought them back, and we cut them up and we ate them. There you go.

So. Yeah, and then we made a little jingle to it, which is also on Instagram that you can check out. But then after that, we had already eaten ours. Me and Hattie both spit ours out because we weren't enjoying them very much. And Hattie was like, you know, I wanna make a funny little video on my phone.

Rosie, grab another Bucknut, we're eating more. So that happened. We ate them, they were interesting. I had a couple comments saying that if we peel them even farther, they'll be even better better somehow and you won't get that sort of tightness that you're worried about With it sort of generates the expose taking the next layer of skin off. Yeah, I'm not familiar I'll check that out either, but I think next time I do them I am gonna pre slice and do like a breading. Yeah pan fry

Right, yeah, you should all bring your Buck Nuts bag next time. I used to go to this thing every year called the Tasticle Festival. And it'd be like so hard. Wow, I wanna go to that. They'd just fry up all these calf, all these steer nuts and it'd be a big old deal. Oh my gosh.

All right gals, thanks for coming down to the show. Everybody, no one's aging out, right? You got another year? Oh yeah. Two more years. I thought I went till you were 16. No, you hunt, 15 you got another year. Oh, yeah two more years I Thought I went to your 16. No you hunt 15 your last year, okay 15. So more years. We're not losing anyone We're not losing any hunters everybody still in I'll still come even from the hunting we had I'll let you guys remember We had to retire one of our guys

Had his brother Harrison aged out if we have another four day He could come during general had his brother Harrison aged out. If we have another four day, he could come during general. Hattie's brother Harrison aged out, but we got a lot coming up. I got one kid not even old enough, and I said one day, I was saying one day, if there was a youth elk season, I'd still be having kids. But someday when my nine-year-old hits to be 15 I'm gonna be looking for I'm gonna adopt just so you can hunt you see I'm gonna adopt a nine-year-old you could just take out friends kids too might be easy that might be less expensive too all right girls thanks so much for coming down you guys you go

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