The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 631: MeatEater Radio Live! A Live Turkey, MeatEater Menu, Reviewing "The Edge"

Episode Date: November 29, 2024

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Randall Williams, Cory Calkins, Seth Morris, and Phil Taylor.  Guests: Brogan the Turkey with Connor Smith; CEO of Eastern Shore Land Conservancy, Steve Kline; and Brady Bush of the University of Michigan Fishing Team. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Smell us now, lady. Welcome to meat special Thanksgiving episode of MeatEater Radio Live. It's the day before Thanksgiving, coming to you not quite live from the MeatEater HQ in Bozeman, Montana, because we're not coming to work on Thanksgiving Day. We love you all. We love our jobs. We love this wonderful company, but no, thank you. I'm your host, Randall Williams, and we're joined today by Seth Morris and Corey Kalkins. We've got a great show for you today.

We're going to discuss our favorite Turkey Day cuisine with the turkey in the room. We're going to take a look at a few listener dishes. We're going to talk to Steve Klein of the Eastern Shore Land Conservancy. We've got a migration report from Matt McCormick. We've got another regrettable tattoo. We've got one minute fishing. And then, finally, the highly anticipated MeatEater Movie Club, where we'll be discussing the 1997 survival thriller, The Edge.

But first, I want to take a quick poll Seth Corey you guys have any Thanksgiving traditions that involve hunting Yeah, I do one that started recently meaning last year Just the buddies get together and do like a whitetail haunt of some sort last year Was with me my buddy Sam and Chester and Chester actually killed a 13-point buck on Thanksgiving morning. A 13-pointer? Yeah. So this is a tradition that has happened once. Well, we're doing it this year again. We're doing a big doe hunt this year.

I think you're kind of counting your chickens before they hatch. Well, it's happening. Cory, what about you? You're not on the camera, but we'll just pretend we can hear her Yeah, I certainly have a tradition. That's kind of been paused I guess since I've had a kid Which is who's six year old six years old so I can't wait to Bring this tradition back to life, but growing up in Western, Montana We would always go out to Easter, Montana every Thanksgiving Weekend and go mule deer hunting.

So I can't wait to pick that back up here in a couple years with my kid. Yeah, that'll be fun. We have a Thanksgiving tradition at our house, but it's hunting for bargains. Oh! Especially when there's a great Black Friday sale. Just a reminder for all you listeners,

we've got the MeatEater Black Friday sale going on now. Our biggest savings of the year, up to 50% off your favorite gear across our MeatEater brands and that sale is ongoing now through Monday, December 2nd. So if you're looking for a Christmas gift for a special someone or you're just like me and you want to buy stuff that you've always wanted to buy all year long but you couldn't justify it because maybe it was just a little too expensive. You can get it now on a discount and your conscience will be clear. Now, joining us in the studio is a very special guest. We have Brogan the Turkey, accompanied by our colleague Connor Smith, who's an associate

at the Meat Eaters Store in downtown Bozeman. Connor also holds the Montana State Record for the 40th largest bull elk ever taken and was on episode 535 of the Meat Eaters podcast. That episode title is The Fight to Save Hunting. He is also the son of our beloved friend and colleague in the Human Resources Department, Alyssa Smith, who's been on Meat Eaters and trivia. Brogan, Connor, welcome to the show.

Thank you. Tell us, how's it been going at the Bozeman store these days? It's been going good. We're doing really good on sales. Getting a lot of holiday shoppers. Oh yeah. Excellent, excellent.

Are you guys open over this Thanksgiving weekend? Yeah, we are. Oh, you are? Nice. Tough gig. Go do some in-store shopping. Yeah. Now introduce us in-store shopping. Yeah. Now introduce us to Brogan here. When did, I mean what is this thing?

When did you get him? What's he like? How many pounds would you say? Well we got him about a year ago and he kind of gobbles a lot mm-hmm pretty noisy on occasions and especially in the spring did you get him as an egg or as a as a bird I was like a two-day old chick or whatever oh wow freshly out of the egg yeah and then they shipped it to like the UPS place and you had to go pick him up there. Gotcha. He's uh. So you got him through the mail? Yeah. Nice. I've done that before with chickens. When he came in his his snood was erect. Yeah, he seems to chill now. Just dangling. So he's he's comfortable with us at this point. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would say so. Cory you want to try to get this guy to gobble here for us. This is just to add some sort of seasonal Festivity to the show here. I can try a little something might be a little out of season, but

Always puffing keep going keep going Oh Man Oh, that's fantastic. Oh, he's going to the strut. Oh man. That's a big bird. Our audience, our audience didn't get the privilege of watching this thing jump up on the table and take a dominant posture over me earlier. So if you're picking up on some weird body language right now for me and Brogan here, it's because we almost came to blows just a few moments ago. Now does he have any sort of misgivings about the upcoming holiday? Does he know that traditionally on Thursday of this week all of his fellow countrymen will be served on tables

around the country? Not really. He doesn't, if you eat turkey around him he's, he doesn't pick up on that? No, he doesn't realize it. Huh. Well, must be easy life for him. Does he have any brothers, sisters, friends? He's got two different hens. Oh nice. They're in his family, yeah. Nicely done. Why don't you hit him with another gobble here. Come on. Go for it. Look at him. He's getting mad. That's fantastic. That's wonderful. Well, Connor, thank you for bringing this turkey into the podcast studio here. Yeah, that's right. Phil, I think, is eager to get this bird out of his place of work.

Well, Corinne was out of the room when I said this, but if anything, if he did decide, decided he needed to relieve himself, I would not be cleaning it up. Corinne would. So, and you know what? I think she'd be fine with that and probably happy. I think it would be worth it. Yeah, there's, there's a nice roll nice roll of cellophane down on that seat, just in case there are any sort of ventings from the back end of that thing.

All right, well, thank you again for bringing in Brogan, and have a happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, you too. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Connor. Later, Brogan. Good luck with the Black Friday rush. Happy Turkey Day. Thank you, guys. All righty, gang. Later Brogan, good luck Connor. The Black Friday rush. Happy Turkey Day. Thank you guys. Alrighty gang, now we're gonna talk about different ways that we like to cook Brogan's cousins.

This is our next segment. Oh Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. Get that bird outta here. Thanks guys, no worries. Yeah, thank you. See you guys.

Oh, I'm just needin'. Calm down a bit here. Randall's shakin was shaking yeah your snood looked a little yeah yeah we're gonna do a we're gonna talk about some Thanksgiving foods that we like to cook and we like to more importantly eat and for we're gonna do sort of a hybrid segment here of meat eater menu and top three we're going to do sort of a hybrid segment here of Meat Eater Menu and Top 3. We're going to select, it's going to be a competitive Top 3. So Seth, Corey, and myself will each draft our Top 3 Thanksgiving foods. Once a dish is picked, it's off the table. We're going to do it Snake Draft style. So we'll begin with Seth, come to me, go back to Seth, come back to me. And at the end,

Phil will pick a winner. Which one of us has selected sort of the best medley of foods. And I think as you judge this contest, you should take into account how they work together if you're going to assemble a plate of leftovers. You don't have to tell me, Randall. All right. So are we clear on the assignment, boys? Yeah, I'm just going to try to think of stuff that Phil like. No, don't do that, that spoils it. All right, I won't.

But Phil's a solid American, I'm sure that his taste buds are very traditional. I don't think we need to. Yeah, this is an interesting strategy because Seth has no idea what my preferences are. Yeah. So I'm excited to see how this turns out, to be honest. I'd stick with it.

I'll just go with what I like. All right, Seth, well, you're going first. So what's your number one pick here? My number one favorite thing on Thanksgiving is stuffing. Stuffing. Excellent choice. Excellent choice. Any particular type of stuffing? Do you do like a little sausage in there? Do you like to do some oyster stuffing? No. No meat. Just bread and seasoning. Bread, butter, and seasoning.

Moist bread and seasoning. Yeah. That's a competitive choice. Stuff it in a bird. Cory, you got number two here. Candied yams My goodness All right going straight for the throne on that one Well, I've got two picks in a row here because we're doing this a snake draft. So I'm gonna go with

gravy oh Just heavy brown gravy. Oh brown gravy and I'm gonna man Can we get to me throwing desserts? I'm gonna go turkey. Yeah, absolutely. 100%. I'm gonna go gravy and turkey. I feel a little white bread now. I feel like I only have one pick left, so I'm gonna have a really boring collection. But I didn't think turkey could slip to below the fourth pick.

And gravy is an obvious number three choice. So back to you, Cory. Now, excuse me, gravy out of the packet, or are you making gravy out of... No, I'm making gravy out of drippings. Turkey drippings. Yeah, yeah. That's fair. I'm gonna go turkey.

I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go turkey. I'm gonna go choice. So back to you Cory. Now excuse me Gravy out of the packet or you making no making gravy out of drippings. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I had down. So pumpkin pie pumpkin pie

Candied yams and pumpkin pie interesting strategy. Yeah, he's going with a lot of I guess a yam or gore gourd Things that grow out of the ground gourd dishes or in a can or in a can Seth Green green you got two in a row green bean casserole And last pick for one thing that my mom makes which I don't Probably not a lot of people do this on Thanksgiving is baked corn baked corn. Yep, just like the pilgrims did. Fantastic dish. I wrote down baked pilgrims, baked corn. I should focus on one job at a time. I quit the baked pilgrims a long time ago. Corey, it's your final decision here. Last pick. Sometimes people just skip straight

for the leftover hot turkey sandwiches day of like, you know You have your dinner say at noon. You can still do a hot turkey sandwiches by 4 or 5 p.m Mm-hmm. So that's my third pick a turkey. I don't know if we can accept. Yeah, I don't think It's I mean Randall already claimed turkey and gravy turkey sandwich is an amalgamation of several different dishes otherwise my first pick would have been Thanksgiving leftover hash the day after with poached eggs on top Oh well, but I'm not doing that because that's a medley of Thanksgiving dishes. So pick another please cranberry sauce

That's what I thought that was gonna slip through the cracks That's what I thought that was gonna slip through the cracks Oh, yeah, the best kind is when you you just pop the can open You gotta punch a hole in the bottom so it comes out and it's it's the shape of the can. Oh Love that stuff. Mm-hmm God This could make or break you Randall no pressure or anything I really screwed up this draft I Mean you guys are missing a pretty big one here. I would say mashed taters. That's yeah But see now I have turkey gravy and mashed taters, which I feel like is not a bad

It's just not very interesting. Those are like it's not interesting at all the boring things Yeah It's just not very interesting. Those are like boring interesting at all the boring things Yeah I feel like I feel like if you're if your school cafeteria was gonna do Thanksgiving dinner that serve what I just picked So I've got turkey gravy and net mash taters Cory has cranberry sauce pumpkin pie and candied yams I must have a sweet tooth Seth has has stuffing, green bean casserole, baked corn. Phil, do you need a minute? I had this this was settled a couple minutes ago to be honest. Cory I'm gonna start with you. You've got the the broadest

selection. I mean that's not the right term at all. Yours is the most unique lineup. I would say unfortunately It's gonna end you up in a last place there But if I'm sitting down for a meal, uh-huh taking all these things together into account I think I'm just walking away with diabetes. I mean you guys you know, you probably am already but that's okay You got cranberry sauce, which doesn't go with your other two picks It sure could Phil

Cranberry sauce on my pumpkin pie I haven't tried so so what you're saying is it's down to me and sets down to you It's a turkey gravy taters or stuffing green bean casserole and baked corn and we've got Randall with the classic lineup But here's the thing Seth has my number one pick, which would be green bean casserole. Oh. I knew that would hit Phil hard. So.

Oh. I'm on the pod. The rub here is, I think most stuffing is whack. Oh. Yeah, Phil. And Randall, you've got a boring white bread lineup, as you put it, but it's a classic for a reason. Dr. Randall Williams is the winner of the trip.

Oh. Phil. happy Thanksgiving to me. Phil. We actually, this reminds me, when I used to deer hunt in Kentucky, would go down, my buddy and I would go down every weekend, leading up to Thanksgiving to hunt the same farm. And every weekend we'd go buy a rotisserie chicken, would buy a box of instant mashed potatoes,

would buy a box of stove top stuffing, and we'd buy a thing of the jelly cranberries. And we'd just do Thanksgiving, and then Thanksgiving leftovers every weekend leading up to Thanksgiving with the only substitution of the rotisserie chicken. Highly recommend. Yeah, that sounds fantastic.

After you get off the tree stand, you know, cold morning sit, you have a nice hearty Thanksgiving meal and you can fall asleep for an hour or two. Yeah you gotta watch that tryptophan. Is that what it is in Turkey? Yeah, that's what they say on the internet. All right, well now that that's settled, we're going to hit some audience submissions of meat eater menu items that we think are appropriately festive. So Phil, why don't you bring up our first selection here? This is actually not festive at all, but it is turkey.

Very non-traditional. This is orange turkey, like orange chicken, breaded with cornstarch, deep fried, and peanut oil. This is from Cole Barclay. He used fresh navel oranges, marmalade, tamari, and honey for the sauce. It's served over Korean sweet potato noodles. And actually, the Korean sweet potato noodles

just did it for me. I think that looks terrific. I mean, it looks terrific. You can't argue with orange chicken, but that kicked it up a notch. Next we have So another turkey recipe, this is a wild game perlo. Is that the correct pronunciation? This is two cups of Andy's White House farms Charleston gold rice whoo, that's a mouthful

Some homemade wild game stock from the freezer Added four or five duck breast fillets probably a dozen or so duck gizzards and hearts a couple turkey gizzards and hearts some spicy venison sausage Frozen and ground to combine it all browned all that meat in the Dutch oven set it aside And then added pepper onion cayenne pepper and mushrooms. This is lovely Tasty playful little dish Corinne suggested that that you could stuff a turkey with this, which I imagine you could do that. Sure could.

Make a great side dish. Dirty rice, it looks like. Many things you could stuff a turkey with. And if you don't like turkey, try grouse. Phil, hit us with that next one. Ho! This is a grouse that, who's this? Reed and Bree Shallow, grouse from Reed and Bree Shallow,

shot it in Colorado, followed a recipe in the Meat Eater Wild Game Cookbook that turned out amazing. I would also suggest, if you're still planning your Thanksgiving dinner, take a look at the Wild Game Cookbook because there's a lot of tasty recipes in there. And we also have the pleasure there of seeing Boots the Cat hovering at about 11 o'clock on the plate bear. Apparently Boots also got a bite, so shout out Boots. And finally we have just a very dramatic presentation. This is a black bear with a bow from

Asheville, North Carolina this is from Dan Chase He found a recipe for something called Thor's hammer Which is a bear shank smoked like barbecue served on mashed potatoes with smoked onions and gravy from the drippings That looks amazing. This looks like it should be like a Halloween meal. I was gonna say. It's got like bones on the table, skull, the knife plunged into the top there. It does look like like you'd serve this at a Halloween party or sort of prop at a haunted house. Yeah looks good though. Yeah that gravy looks like glue. It's gonna stick to your ribs. That's what you're looking for. Well, I think that does it for our meat eater menu. Hey folks, exciting news for

those who live or hunt in Canada. And boy, my goodness, we hear from the Canadians whenever we do a raffle or sweepstakes. And our raffle and sweepstakes law makes it that they can't join. Whew, our northern brothers, you're irritated. Well, if you're sick of, you know, sucking high and titty there, ONX is now in Canada. The great features that you love in ONX are available for your hunts this season. The Hunt app is a fully functioning GPS with hunting maps that include public and crown land, hunting zones, aerial imagery, 24k topo maps, waypoints and tracking. That's right, you were always talking about onX here on the MeatEater podcast. Now you

you guys in the Great White North can be part of it, be part of the excitement. You can even use offline maps to see where you are without cell phone service. That's a sweet function. As part of your membership, you'll gain access to exclusive pricing on products and services hand-picked by the OnX Hunt team. Some of our favorites are First Light, Schnee's, Vortex Federal, and more. as a special offer. You can get a free three months to try OnX out if you visit onxmaps.com onxmaps.com. Welcome to the to the OnX club y'all. From Thursday, November 21st to Monday, December 2nd, take advantage of Black Friday sales from First Light, FHF, Gear, Phelps Game Calls, Dave Smith, Decoys and the Meat Eaters store.

With discounts up to 50% off, it's a great time to stock up on some of our best-selling Merino base layers as well as all of your Western and whitetail apparel needs. Don't miss out on the biggest sale of the year and head over to firstlight.com. That's F-I-R-S-T-L-I-T-E.com. Next, we're gonna talk to Steve Klein, joining us on the line from Centerville, Maryland. This is Steve Klein, president of the Eastern Shore Land Conservancy.

Steve, how are you doing? You're doing Randall. Oh, I'm wonderful. I'm getting hungry. You should be hungry for some birthday cake, as I understand it. Yeah, it is my birthday, guys. That's right. Hey, happy birthday. So Steve, Steve's coming to us from Centerville, Maryland He also said that we could introduce him as coming from second place in the AFC North

after an exciting Monday night football game I I was watching that last night biting my fingernails wondering what Steve Klein would get today would we get a Ravens win or Lamar choke choke job, Steve? So I'm glad that they pulled out the dub. We're not doing that anymore. Steve, could you tell us for our listeners who aren't familiar, what is the quote Eastern Shore? And what are some of the challenges facing fish and wildlife in your area? And what are some of the challenges facing fish and wildlife in your area? Sure.

So the Eastern shore is of Maryland, is the part of Maryland you probably didn't know existed. It's the rural part. The central part of Maryland is kind of Baltimore, Washington. It's the 95 corridor. Eastern shore just means the Eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay Essentially, and it's a pretty magical place it is Very close to a lot of urban centers, but it is still very rural still still very agricultural in nature a lot of open space

And a place worth protecting and that's what we're doing at ESLC so can you tell us a little bit about your organization and how you preserve some of that habitat and those working lands that you're talking about? And can you clarify for our audience, there's a term that gets thrown around quite often, a conservation easement. What exactly is that and how does the ESLC use that to achieve your desired outcomes there? Sure.

I think our organization is the largest private regional land trust in Maryland. We serve a six-county region. For anybody familiar with the area, it's Cecil County up in the north down to Dorchester County, which is where Steve and Cal did a little sick of deer hunting a few years ago for the show. And we have protected north of 60,000 acres in that six county region. And the way we do that is through those conservation

easements that you mentioned, Randall. And you know what that basically is, it's not more complicated really than sitting down with a willing landowner who wants to protect their place and really what does that mean is keep it the way it looks more or less today forever. And we will negotiate over the terms of that conservation easement. Generally speaking, there is room to leave space for a future generations house, maybe grandkids. You'd love to imagine they wanna grow up on the farm

and you can build a house for them. But the bulk of that property is gonna be held in perpetuity by a conservation easement held with the ESLC or Eastern Shore Land Conservancy. And we are fully accredited by the Land Trust Alliance. And what that means is that our staff is on the ground every year on every single easement to make sure that the terms of that easement, the legal binding language of that easement is being met binding language of that easement, is being met. So if you're not supposed to be building in a certain area and we come in and

we find out you have been building there, we've got to get the easement back into compliance. That usually is not a problem. Our landowners are kind of conservation first. They care a lot about their places and they did this, you know, voluntarily. But then we do have to work with the landowners when the easements do come out of compliance. And usually that's kind of a partnership arrangement, right? We don't want to have to, you know, wave our finger at anybody or wag our finger at anybody. We prefer to work with folks to get them back into compliance. But We have 330 easements across those six counties I mentioned. We just closed on our 330th last week. So we've got somebody, as I said, on those, every one of those every year. And what's been a game changer for us is drones. Oh wow. So you know So we can use drones to monitor properties 20 years ago, not even

that long ago, 10 years ago, it would have required our staff being out quite literally boots on the ground across the whole property and we've got some easements that are 500, 600, 700, 1000 or more acres. So that would take, as you can imagine, a long time to cover. What the drone does is your folks can appreciate this gives us kind of that bird's eye view of the property and helps us see impacts. Frankly, that probably would have gotten missed just with you know, by boots on the ground. Hmm. And so you're so essentially what, what the easement is doing then is, you then is ensuring that a reservoir of wildlife habitat stays in those places, especially as I imagine in close proximity to an urban area. There's fewer and fewer areas like that where you have an open working landscape.

Yeah, I would say in other parts of maryland the kind of kind of come to mind when you think of maryland uh... it's well use howard county as an example kind of an ex-urban county uh... along the ninety five quarter that within the memories of people that are about our age uh... they can remember being pretty rural and what we found is that if it's not protected

then it's going to be developed that's kind of becomes the bargain maybe not today right but 50 or a hundred years from now you can imagine this land is going to be accounted for in some way but think of conservation easements kind of like a deed restriction or a legal document as part of your real estate holdings. It travels with the deed across future owners of the property. And we have a number of things that we can write easements for.

So we have written easements for agricultural productivity. We wanna keep farmland farming. We have written it for our local endangered species, the Delmarva fox squirrel, which has been successfully protected, is no longer endangered. We've got easements for scenic value. It's really up to what that landowner wants to protect, right? That's what we want to protect as well. And also, when you're working in the Chesapeake Bay, water quality is going to be a huge piece. So those buffer areas between agriculture and the water and between development of the water, we want to protect those as well. It's water

quality is the name of the game in the Chesapeake Bay, as you guys know. Yeah. Now Steve, you mentioned you just closed your 330th easement. Can you tell us a little bit about that one and sort of the backstory there so folks can get an idea of what this actually looks like? Yeah, I mean, this is a property that's been in the same family for, you know, more or less, I think, 100 years, and they really want to protect And they really want to protect their grandfather's vision for this place. And, you know, that's what makes this work really so spectacular. I worked on Capitol Hill in my previous life. That's the Capitol behind me over my fireplace.

And that was one kind of work. And then you come over here and you're meeting with landowners who get sometimes very emotional about their farms and their forests and their fields and the idea that they're protecting a place where you know their grandfather bought or their great-grandfather bought and they've inherited over the years and they're now protecting it for their kids and their grandkids and you know frankly family they're not ever going to meet and it'll be something that they would be able to recognize forever.

It's pretty special. We have got an East property here at Eastern Shoreland Conservancy that has been in the same family for I think 13 or 14 generations. The property has never been on real estate market It's it was a grant from the King of England and it remains in that same family's hands. I mean really that is kind of Obviously fish wildlife for the reason why I do this work hunting and fishing But it's the human element of what does it mean to protect these places? Because there's tremendous pressure on this landscape, and there's a lot of money to be made on this landscape.

Generally, it implies some kind of development, some kind of conversion of use. And to have people say, I don't want to take that course, I don't want to take that road is really special. It's a treat to work with these folks. Well, that is meaningful work, Steve. And I'm glad that we could share a little bit

about what you're doing with our audience here. It is delightful to see you, sir. I wish you all the best and have a very happy Thanksgiving. You guys too. Thanks for having me on, okay? We'll see you, Steve. Thanks, Steve, we'll see you.

Happy birthday. Alrighty. Now we've got a migration report from Matt McCormick. Hey guys, I'm Matt McCormick with Flying V and welcome to the Meat Eater Migration Report for November 26th, 2024. As we near the heart of migration season, the snow line across Canada continues creeping southward. Heavy snow cover blankets much of the north with moderate

accumulation moving through the central provinces. The southernmost edge of that snow line right here The southernmost edge of that snow line right here is passing through the prairies and along the U.S. border. Although that southern line is kind of patchy right now, like here in Montana, the forecast suggests that that won't stay that way for long. A powerful Arctic front is expected to sweep through all the North Country in the coming days, bringing widespread snow and freezing temperatures that will accelerate the migration southward. This incoming weather system is likely to reinforce all that ice buildup along the northern lakes and rivers, closing the remaining sources of water for all the birds in those central provinces. Areas are currently holding snow-free ground and open

water, particularly in southern Alberta and Saskatchewan. They will see rapid changes as temperatures plummet and snow begins to blanket the region. This shift will further compress all those staging grounds and push that all the birds further down south into all those southern portions of the flyway. Listen guys for every waterfowl hunter across the country the timing could not be better. The combination of fresh snow and hard freezes up in the North Country is a recipe for strong migration days ahead with birds likely with how heavy that frost and freeze is, to push faster and further in search of open water and food sources. We saw today hundreds of birds pouring out of Alberta into the U.S. with no passport required.

Man, these guys are coming. Keep an eye on the weather and be ready. That next wave of birds is headed here soon. These are the weather fronts we all dream about in the off season, so it's time to pack your gear, call in sick to work, and hit the field. That's it for this week's migration report. Good luck out there, be safe, and happy Thanksgiving. Back to you guys. Man, Matt should have been a weatherman. That was fantastic. I know. We've got to invest. Phil Phil I know you're top of the line here for tech upgrades but I think we could do wonders with a little some green screen. Some key action. Yeah. It kind of reminded me of John Madden a little bit. He could have been up there a little more. Yeah. Drawing and writing. We need some

like Doppler radar and stuff. Totally. Oh yeah that would be great. Totally. Well, our next segment is Tattoos I Regret. such a good idea when i was drunk last summer in the pizza the tattoo says a puss in the pot will always find more beans what the f*** does that mean it's a tattoo i regret I regret It's two weeks in a row on that one That's so good I think we need to take a little tattoo break so people don't get sick of it because when people get sick of these I'm Gonna have to do more which you know well that I guess that's not a bad no no actually I first heard that

Particular jingle, what would you call it? You're you're drop your drop. Sure. I was driving Down the Paradise Valley. It was dark. The road was empty and I was just watching the lights, you know go by and man It really hit it really Well today's regrettable tattoo comes from Jason Desjardins. Desjardins. If you have a hunting or fishing related tattoo that you regret, please email us at Radio at TheMeatEater.com. I'll repeat that again because I screwed it up. Radio at the meat eater dot com. What would radiator at the meat eater dot com be? Like if you're selling car parts. We need to expand.

Yeah, get into a new send us your hunting rig. Get into a new sphere. So this Jason writes in I thought I would share the hunting tattoo I most regret which is an interesting way to put it because he has, it seems that he has several hunting tattoos that he regrets, but this is the one he most regrets. Because she had done a great job on all of my others, I let her do my turkey. While the job she did was fine, the placement and lack of scene was not. I trusted her judgment and regret it. I should probably regret my gnome packing

the unicorn tattoo more because it came from your t-shirt. I even had the gnome hunting the unicorn in another tattoo before I got the packout one." So that actually is an impressively detailed gnome packing out a unicorn tattoo. Yeah, that looks sick. Got the first light logo. I wish I knew the significance of the numbers. He was referencing it, correct? 6143 on the little thing hand off his bow there.

I don't quite understand what that is. We can go back to the turkey. But here's the turkey he regrets. Here's the thing about this turkey. Its tail fan appears to be a Jake tail fan. And it's got a full beard. It's got a big beard. Oh.

And who's the guy in the bushes back behind about to shoot one right up the tux at heart? Right. It's like he's gonna shoot one right behind him. Well, the geometry of it, yeah, I was gonna say the geometry of it makes me think that that hunter is shooting something on his bicep rather than the turkey on Or is that a leg? Oh god. That's a leg. No, I've totally screwed this up. So he's in some Elbow I think it's an elbow. I wish I could see whatever it is at the end there I'd be better able to tell whether it's an arm or a leg You got to wonder if he straightens his arm out if it'll if the point of aim changes. Oh, yeah

I know this show isn't live but for those watching a live sound out you think it's an arm or a leg Because it does sort of look like an ankle at the bottom, but now I see that's probably wearing khakis. Yeah, it's a wrist Yeah, I thought the this was an ankle bone anyway anyway Yeah, I mean Seth you've pointed out some sort of incongruity here with the turkey, biologically speaking. See, that's an inaccuracy I would not have picked up on. Just looking at the art, I think that's a fine tattoo.

I know. The detail is impeccable. Yes. Yeah, it is good artwork. I wish I could see around the corner just to get a sense of the full scene. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know that he should regret this one.

Yeah, take it to the grave. The hunter though, it is, the aim point is strange. It almost made me wonder whether that hunter was part of a different scene. Yeah, maybe there was a scene under that turkey that he, Yeah. He really regretted that one So he slapped the turkey on top There's more ink down there. I mean I I will say of all the tattoos we've seen thus far

That's probably the least regrettable other than Honking for a bonkin, which I mean Jane is not regrettable in the least know But Jason, thanks for sharing your ink and please if you have a tattoo that you regret Again, that's radio at the meat eater comm did we want to there's a there's a third one here that I oh oh Silly me yeah, yeah, yeah, no what part of the body is that again? That's the gnome You guys can talk about the gnome while this thing processes. I didn't have the third one ready I didn't see yeah, I coming up the the gnome I'm not sure that if you showed me that I don't know how that varies from the t-shirt. I feel like it's a fairly

Realistic reproduction of that of that original artwork another great-looking tattoo in my opinion I think there's the here Here's the third one. Yeah, this one's incredible. Oh yeah, so it's a... Isn't that Chelsea's art? I have no clue. It's a buck skull and on the right antler, from the viewer's right,

there's a gnome perched up between the G1 and G2. and then on the crown of the skull, there's a unicorn, and it seems that the gnome is about to ambush this unicorn with an arrow. And on the left antler, from the viewer's perspective, the G1 and G2 look like sort of trees. They've grown into trees. And so it's a fantastical setting. There's also some names on the left hander. Signatures in there.

Benjamin. That's what the hunters are. That looks like the long hunters. Mm. That one, let me see. It's missing a bullet hole. No, that's Kelsey's Kelsey's the originals right there Well, I I like this there's a lot going on

There's a lot to look at Phil what what are you getting out of this? I think you're an art man No, I actually I was thinking I have a shirt that looks like a tree growing out of the ground but it looks like a hand there's a bunch of like fungi and trees growing out of the Out of the hand it kind of reminds me of that. I what's who's who's this guy's name again Jason Jason Dejardin Dejardin your tattoos are great, man. I don't I don't think these are regrettable at all. Yeah Yeah, fine. Hey, okay by me. I like these Yeah, fine a okay by me. I like these

They're not they don't take themselves too seriously That's that's one thing that I I really feel strongly about in the tattoo world Well like honking for a bond when I look at the I just I just see Matt McCormick giving a Migration update on this one see the birds up top. Oh, yeah He'd be all over that now. I hit they headed north or south Well the Sun is up to you setting in the alright Oh, hey, so so Brady our one-minute fisherman. Oh, oh, he's here. He's in the call All right, so we can bring him in our next segment is one minute fishing. Oh Well do you, punk?

Go ahead. Make my cast. Now One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish and if they're successful we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week our angler is Brady Bush coming to us from Michigan. Brady was on trivia episode 600 when we recorded from the University of Michigan while we were on the tailgate tour and Brady will be fishing for a donation to the University of Michigan's fishing team. Brady you look chilly tell us a little bit about

where you're standing and what you're fishing for today. Well I am standing on a river on the bank of a river and it feels like it's 20 degrees out so I'll be fishing for some bass but it might be a tough but. What are you uh now what's your what's your rig here today? Show you here I'm gonna be throwing a little jig. All right nice. Neagy. Yeah looks good. Guessing the water's pretty cold so they'll probably be right on bottom But see what we can do. All righty, sir Well, your one minute will begin with your first cast. So whenever you're ready, okay, I'm gonna have my dad Hold the video for me. Fantastic

We all good? Yes, sir. Whenever you're ready And we're off Cast it's very relaxed Yeah, what a calm evening out Well, I was speaking more about his his body language and demeanor with that first cast. Oh, yeah It's casually hucked it out there. It's like he's been there before. Yep. He knows that you can't you can't force it Oh, he's bringing it in a two

Sun looks low in the sky. Yeah, he's when the hogs come out to play right here. He's working it We've got 28 seconds 30 seconds, sorry sorry this is counting upwards which is unconventional same spot another cast what's going on 15 seconds left here come on Brady don't let us down. Seven seconds. Five, four, three, two, one. Oh man, it's not easy. Brady, time's up buddy. You know what, you're not alone, we're in kind of a slump right now. Yeah, we're in a slump right now. That's why we, we went to you. We thought you'd be at the golf course pond and you could break our, you could break our

slump here. I know. I wish I could go to the secret spot. I'll save that for Will. Yeah. Well, uh, you guys stay warm there and have a very, have a very happy Thanksgiving. Say hi to the boys and we'll catch you next time sir. Thank you appreciate it go blue OH

Somebody says I oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we are Kid good kid Tough they're fishing this time of year stuff. Oh, yeah, I know when we launched this segment I don't think there was a lot of forethought put into seasonality When we launched this segment, I don't think there was a lot of forethought put into seasonality. Yeah, so I think I think things will pick back up when we can start drilling holes or we're gonna have to Go south We should go south. That's in the budget, right? Yeah, or find people right after we get that green screen. We'll get a couple bus tickets

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There we are. There we are. There we are. There we are. There we are. There we are. There we are. This week we're reviewing the 1997 film, The Edge.

And I was trying to decide whether I should read this faster because a lot of people hate this And there are a lot of comments To that effect and then a lot of people love it So I thought maybe I should try to do a better job of just articulating and pronouncing Jesus Any of it. We're just gonna do it live the edge In any event, we're just going to do it live. The Edge, 1997, employs the cliché genre of a classic survival thriller to probe fundamental questions about civilization, knowledge, and human nature.

Through David Mamet's characteristically precise dialogue, the film explores how different forms of power, intellectual, physical, and financial, operate when stripped of social context. The film follows billionaire Charles Morse, played by Anthony Hopkins, and fashion photographer Bob Green, played by Alec Baldwin, as they struggle to survive in the Alaskan wilderness after a plane crash. Their battle against the elements and a relentless Kodiak bear is complicated by a profound psychological tension as Bob's apparent desire for Charles' wealth and his wife, played by Ella McPherson, creates a dangerous undercurrent of mistrust.

Charles embodies accumulated learning and wealth, while Bob represents a more instinctual physical presence. Their dynamic grows increasingly complex as the cruelties of the wilderness erode social hierarchy. Charles' encyclopedic knowledge, initially presented as a trivial freak, to use his words, becomes the pair's salvation, challenging conventional assumptions about practical mastery versus theoretical expertise. In doing so, Mamet's script clearly subvert, excuse me, cleverly subverts

expectations about masculine competence. The Kodiak bear in the edge operates as both a flesh and blood antagonist and a metaphysical force, embodying nature's indifference to humankind. More than just a predator, it represents what lies beyond society's boundaries. Raw, amoral power that cannot be reasoned with or bought off. As Charles and Bob are stalked by this formidable beast and then in turn lay a deadly trap for it, their own relationship mirrors the same predator-prey dynamic, suggesting that the line between civilized man and savage beast

is more permeable than we'd like to admit. The bear's unflinching pursuit of the men becomes a test of both moral and mortal survival, not just whether they can kill it, but whether they can do so without becoming similarly savage themselves. Here, I'm referencing a line from the film where Anthony Hopkins screams, kill the MFer.

Early in the film, a curiously disfigured lodge owner claims that once a bear tastes human flesh, it desires nothing else. This claim foreshadows the metaphorical taste for blood that develops between Charles and Bob, suggesting how a single transgression of violence can then become habitual. Don't worry, I only have a page left.

Perhaps most significantly, the film explores a question that has been central to Western intellectual life since the Enlightenment. What is the relationship between civilized man and the state of nature? Charles' fortune rendered meaningless in the wild previously insulated him from precisely these primal confrontations.

Yet his intellectual curiosity, perhaps a luxury afforded by that wealth, provides tools for survival that mere physical prowess cannot match. The mounting tension between Charles and Bob reveals how quickly civilized behavior can erode when social structures disappear. Their struggle moves beyond mere survival to encompass questions of moral choice. Does civilization represent a genuine conquest of our baser instincts, or is it merely a thin veneer covering them up? Here I'm sure we're all thinking that there's a striking parallel between Mamet's screenplay and Joseph Conrad's 1899 novella The Heart of Darkness, which provides a rich interpretive framework for the edge. Both works examine what happens when civilized men are forced to confront wilderness and their own

Savage potential like Marlowe's journey upriver in the Belgian Congo Charles and Bob's trek through Alaska strips away social pretense to reveal underlying truths about human nature I'm gonna skip last couple bits here, but I found it interesting I can go on though. You should just as couple bits, Pierre, but I found it interesting. Hold on. Yeah. Yeah. Woo! I can go on. No, you should. Just as Kurtz goes native and reveals the savagery underlying European colonialism,

Bob's veneer of sophistication cracks to reveal his own predatory intentions. Charles, like Marlowe, maintains his civilized perspective while recognizing darker truths. His survival depends on acknowledging and confronting these truths rather than denying them. While both works depict civilized facades cracking under pressure, they arrive at different conclusions about whether such events reveal civilization's fundamental hollowness or test

its genuine strength. The key distinction is that while Conrad suggests civilization itself is built on a foundation of savagery, the edge allows for the possibility that there is something more to civilization than mere social pretense. The film's resolution and Charles' final acts of mercy and sacrifice suggest that the true, inextinguishable core of civilization is not the trappings of wealth and learning, but are capability for moral choice in the absence of those trappings. So that's the end.

Well said. Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm glad you took it home. Well, I appreciate your guys' support. I was beginning to get a bit self-conscious. I think I've taken this too far, and we need to scale it back a little bit. I disagree. I don't think so. Now in preparation for this segment, other than composing that, I looked at a review from Roger Ebert who gave it three out of four stars and he actually hit on one of the points I wanted to discuss in this film. So he writes better than I could. He says,

He writes better than I could. He says, having successfully negotiated almost its entire 118 minutes, the edge shoots itself in the foot. After the emotionally fraught final moments, just as we're savoring the implications of what has happened, the screen fades to black and we immediately get a big credit for quote, Bart the Bear.

Now, Bart is one hell of a bear I loved him in the title role of the bear but this credit in this place is a spectacularly bad idea did anybody else oh yeah yeah yeah there's an emotional scene incredibly poignant yeah final line and then it fades to black just as tears running down Hopkins face this thanks to Bart the bear This film the original title for it was bookworm You know, he does love to read. Yeah, he says the first third of the movie reading that book his secretary gave him Yeah, it's called bookworm and it was written for the screen The alternate titles were wild wilder the wild into the wild wilderness now dead hunt Wilder, the Wild, Into the Wild,

Wilderness Now, Dead Hunt, Dead Fall, On the Precipice, Over the Precipice, Edge, The Edge, On the Edge, The Bear, Roared the Bear and the Brain, and Bloody Betrayal. I think The Edge is probably the best of those choices. Yeah, that kind of, it kind of, it suggests a precipice. Yeah. So that that's good Harrison Ford and Dustin Hoffman both turned the role played by Hopkins down De Niro Robert De Niro actually read for Hopkins part but he was too concerned that having an animatronic bear wouldn't work with viewers and so he turned it down for that reason he was reluctant to work with a he thought it would just deflate the film. Alec Baldwin showed up for shooting this with a full beard and he refused to shave it. They almost shut down production and brought in Bill

Pullman. The belief among the cast was that Baldwin had recently gained some weight and he was self-conscious about maybe some extra weight around his gobbler. And when he was told to shave the maybe some extra weight around his gobbler. And when he was told to shave the beard, according to Vanity Fair, he said, quote, MFing movie producer, I knew this was coming. The B, and these are obviously the full expletive, the BS Hollywood mentality telling me,

MFer, no talent, MFing, how predictable to see that good old Hollywood integrity at work. So Baldwin, acting as Baldwin does. And then finally, my last bit of research that I'll share with you before we dive in. According to the trainer, bear trainer, Lynn Seuss, she said that Hopkins, quote, acknowledged and respected Bart like a fellow actor.

"'He would spend hours just looking at Bart "'and admiring him. "'He did so many of his own scenes with Bart.'" Love it. Interesting. Now, I also read that this was his second movie with Bart after Legends of the Fall. That was what I was gonna ask you.

Yeah, they were reunited. I went into this thing, you know, it's Baldwin and Mamet. Here we're going to boot up Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. But I didn't realize that there was also another. The real, more recent reunion was Legends of the Fall, Bart the Bear and Anthony Hopkins. Gentlemen. Really, really quick. Yeah, Phil, get in here. Just right up top. I normally, I kind of hate the argument that a movie is bad because it is unrealistic. Like, when you sit down and watch a movie or play, you're already suspending disbelief. Is it like we're watching people pretend to be other people, pretend to laugh and cry and say words that they're not actually thinking. But that being said, I think part of the assignment here is that a lot

of the stuff in this movie is ludicrous, which I think we'll dive into. I felt the same way about Star Wars. A lot of it's in the details. Yes, much like the Jake tail feather you just called out. Yes. That's not something I would have noticed. Yeah, a lot of it's in the details. I feel like Steve always, you know, the Revenant, Steve and the Revenant's a big thing. I feel like most of Steve's beef with the Revenant is that like, oh, that doesn't look like North Dakota or whatever. Not that the movie is like, is up its own ass and doesn't work for, you know, a bunch of other reasons. But, um, I think this movie, uh, rocks. Spellbinding scenery.

Uh, oh yeah. My man, remember when movies used to be shot on location? Yeah. Yeah, I know. Anyway, where was that shot at? The headquarters for the filming was Canmore, Alberta. Yeah And they filmed some of it in Banff and around Banff. Yeah, but they built those Ewok village-looking lodges Specifically for the film. Really? Yeah. The one on stilts in the river bottom? Well did you... all of the buildings were just built out of like raw... I mean the docks were outrageous but yeah I'm just getting ahead of

myself here. Initial thoughts on the film? What was your reaction Seth? I hadn't seen it before. I hadn't seen it, no I watched it for the first time last night. I just couldn't help but pick out all the details that were just so wrong in this film. It was overall, it was a cool film, entertaining, not my favorite, but lots of details. Yeah. Like from the beginning all the way to the end. Corey, you've seen this several times, but this was the first time not edited for television, so you got to enjoy the full Mammoth screenplay. Yeah, and the, you know, coined curse words there are maybe everybody's favorite part.

Oh, yeah. Let's get that mother effer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've seen it probably 10 times. Nine in a row on AMC, and then this was the first time getting to watch it unedited Amazon

It's great a much richer experience. I sure I'm sure and it's been remastered so yeah the cinematography was gorgeous what? What about I mean? I'm sure we have plenty of things to Pick at from an unrealistic perspective, but what for you guys was there anything that you thought was? Redeemable from an out and experienced outdoorsman's point of view well Like things are word things that worked for you, and you didn't go this is absurd oh I thought it was a lot. Yeah, I thought they did a great job. Honestly keeping it keeping it pretty realistic I mean, it's very hard. There's a lot of my I go I have a list of stuff that I was just jot down when I was sure watching the movie sure well

We can why don't we go into what's unrealistic? Yeah, I can go yeah, I can talk about that more than the realistic stuff Lots of things were wrong with the plane. Like the whole, all the scenes in the plane. One of them being when they're just in the cockpit all talking to one another and the pilot like didn't have his headset on and no one else had earmuffs. That's not how it works. They're not screaming at each other. Oh come on. Those planes, it's so loud inside. Yeah. That doesn tough let's see critic here he the the guy who owns the lodge said he wasn't hunting he would be out hunting but he's not hunting because his rifle wasn't sighted in they asked him why his rifle

wasn't sighted in because he said he didn't have a bench rest oh yeah oh and then Anthony Hopkins said an ironing board makes a good bench rest. Yeah. Or anything. Yeah. Ironing board might be kind of flimsy. Yeah. They kept saying it's a Kodiak bear. Yeah.

I thought that was. Big red flag. They would, they would, multiple times they showed it snowing down low along the river and they'd get up in the high country looked like it's summer yeah it was a very that I thought the vegetation also was strangely inconsistent yeah they just go from like conifers to aspens mm-hmm and I Sydney and I had a long conversation trying to figure out what season it was yeah same which that plays into another point. One more thing though, the squirrel that they trapped was a gray squirrel.

It was a great basket trap. And then they took off running away from it. It kept me thinking, whatever happened to that squirrel? Oh yeah. That was when the helicopter came over, right? Yeah. They were so close to a meal. Yeah and then yeah I stopped taking notes after this point but the first from the time that they wrecked the plane till their first meal was the flesh from the grizzly bear. Yeah

which seemed like a lot of days but I don't I couldn't keep. I couldn't keep track. I mean there are only a few nights Yeah, I think it was only two or three nights before they killed the bear Yeah, unless there was some sort of time skipping that happened, but yeah, and the only time they they Kind of stopped for water is that waterfall they come across like up in the high country and they kind of just like wipe their Face with it. They don't ever really drink. Yeah. Oh, I liked it Didn't I believe Alec Baldwin told the other guy to stop drinking didn't he like the oh, maybe He's like drinking from the water. He's like, come on What are you guys doing? I

Think I think I mean Alec Baldwin notorious asshole. I think he's great in this movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah It's such a hard part to pull off I mean, it's like like the biggest asshole, but but he doesn't like very Realistically and with just like I mean he just puts it all out there. Yeah, Marmee Marmee Lethario Uh-huh and the behind the scenes, you know gossip plays into that a lot. Oh, yeah Mm-hmm. Yeah, those didn't look like blanks that he was loading into his lever action either to it mm-hmm no no I mean I thought probably one of my favorite parts of the film was the spike ball attack that these done the bear Like of all the traps that they were gonna make for the bear was that just to piss it off or that was they trying?

To kill it they they trying to kill it? I think they were trying to kill it, but what the problem is is those spike balls had only previously been deployed in Return of the Jedi by the Ewoks against the AT-STs, I believe. You're right, it is ST. The Chicken Walkers, yeah. So I was struck by the similarity between that little booby trap in Return of the Jedi,

and then I was also struck by, he was like describing and he showed that photo of how he wanted to kill the bear. And I was like, he's just going to Braveheart the bear. Which Braveheart came out two years before this. And they like the one of the most like jaw dropping scenes in the film is when they raise all the sticks and all the charging horses get impaled on the sticks and then they just use that same trick on old Bart which I mean killed Bart instantly it was cool it was cool but I was like you think there was like a missing like a deleted scene where where he and Alec Baldwin were saying hey you saw Braveheart right yeah I just thought I just thought it was uh

yeah I mean I mean we talk about this as being the glory days of when there wasn't the CGI and when we had Original screenplays and I was like man They should have just done something else to kill the bear that didn't look like Braveheart Yeah, well Bart did a hell of a job in that movie incredible. Oh, yeah, although I thought that If I had to pick bone with with Bart's performance, I thought that Frequently his facial expressions were hard to parse hmm there were sometimes like when he was bouncing the log and it just looked like he was sort of like smiling I'm sure he was and realize I'm playing with it some of those shots though with his lipstick

in our yeah that was terrifying yeah no I mean real bears and movies it's just what are we doing after they killed Bart? I was shocked and how fast they oh, yeah Can I say I was a good warm on this movie until it cut to them wearing the high? movie rips This makes no sense at all and I'm here for it. I love it Yeah, I like it came alive to me and I was fully bought in he at some point he Yeah

Alec Baldwin Adopts sort of an apron and cape Yeah, and and then Anthony Hopkins wears a leather tunic like a like a Viking And I also thought there were a couple times in the movie where like they both went through very obvious like shifts in How they were playing these characters and it was just like whoa he got weird all of a sudden and At the end of the film I kept thinking that Anthony Hopkins was Sean Connery Because he just sort of adopted this like Sean Connery persona Yeah, I mean it was you know it's a it's a classic sort of you know

Unlikely pair. I mean Anthony Hopkins is clearly like on the spectrum in some sort of way Yeah, also did they ever say what he does or is he just a rich guy? No, but the guys like I liked it at the beginning the like the grubby guy working at the floatplane dock was just like or at the airplane hangar he's like You're Charles Morse the billionaire let's just establish our characters I to your point about him being sort of spectrum II for lack of a better term I thought that Anthony Hopkins character was very similar to Hannibal Lecter yes a little bit they're both big readers

they retain everything they read they have a photographic memory and they're sort of eccentric geniuses that obviously have a difficult time connecting with people in a genuine way. I saw this and I thought, man, no wonder Hopkins got cast for this role. Yeah. You really feel bad for him towards the end too. I mean, his new buddy that he's stuck in the woods with tries to kill him for his wife. I think, I'm just, sorry with this going on, I have two more reactions. One.

We have plenty of time. One, if you're cheating on your spouse, don't get the spouse a watch that says happy birthday and then get your adulterer or I guess adult adultering partner a watch at the same time and the same receipt has both of them and the one says for your birthday and the other one says for all the nights we spent together thanks for all the nights just like don't get a watch that says I committed adultery with you wink nice Like like you you were talking about the performances being all over the place

You're you're right, but I it kept me on my toes because I was wondering like okay is Baldwin's character gonna just be an asshole throughout the whole movie and then and But you know, there's a point after they kill the bear and they're with they're wearing this Yeah, they're there they're buddies for life now. And then when he does find that receipt, that scene is completely over the top. But I love how they frame it in the foreground with Baldwin slowly loading the rifle. Oh yeah, totally. Taking sips of whiskey.

While Hopkins is reading the receipt and the camera is slurred. Yeah, looks up at it. And then the other thing, as far as how he's a billionaire, I got some sense of that by that sandwich he made. At the beginning. He put like, she asks him, she's laying in bed, which if I were him, I would be like, this is the most, that was, I thought,

the most unrealistic part of the movie, is this beautiful woman lays down in bed and pulls the blankets up to Her chin and says would you go get me a sandwich? But then he goes down and he's got a big ham to carve from and he takes two like Silver dollar sized pieces of ham and puts them side by side on the bread Like they're fried eggs and that's his, and I'm like no wonder this guy Has a billion dollars in the bank because he's too cheap to make an actual sandwich good for him. Yeah

Yeah, yeah, I found that to be very odd the sandwich request But I guess it made sense because they wanted to get him down in the kitchen so they could yeah But if I were him he took it like this is an everyday thing yeah He was just like oh your midnight sandwich of course I'd be like you're in bed already and you probably brushed your teeth yeah yeah that was the 80s or I guess the late 90s nobody brushed their teeth back then my memory serves so would you recommend this movie to someone as fellow outdoorsman could you recommend it to them without losing all of your credibility? It would be low on the recommendation list for me.

Hmm. 100% for me. But if you're even just the least bit paranoid, I wouldn't watch it. Phil, what do you got? Big movie star performances in a movie shot on location. It's a relic of the past that I think we need to hold on to. Yep. I give it thumbs up.

I recommend it. I mean, you guys texted me to ask if we were still doing Meteor Movie Club when I was about an hour and 10 minutes into this thing. And I was so pumped at that point in time. It's rare is there a movie where I'm just like, I wonder how much of this is left, you know? Or I'm sorry, rare is there a movie where I don't ask myself how much of this is left? I just, I followed along. I thought it killed the time pretty

quickly and it was enjoyable and I would recommend it. I'll watch it again. I gotta say when I was watching it, there wasn't a point in time where I'm like wanting to shut it off Yeah, yeah, no dull moment. Yeah, yeah, that's the highest compliment. You can pay a film Yeah, as a cinema file these days especially Well gang I'm glad I took nine pages of notes on that Apologize for the lengthy intro but listeners out there if you're in the chat, weigh in with your thoughts on the edge. And with that, I think that's all we have for today's show.

So have a very, very happy Thanksgiving. Know that we are all thankful for you out there listening and watching and YouTube, and enjoy your day with food and family and YouTube and, uh, enjoy your day with food and family and friends and loved ones. Yeah. Happy Thanksgiving folks. That's about as sentimental as I'll get. Meteor to Radio Live signing off. Look out for bird strikes.

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