The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 637: MeatEater Radio Live! The Doe Derby, Fishing Crappie, and Riding Buffalo

Episode Date: December 13, 2024

Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live! Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. You can watch the stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel, or catch the audio version of the show on Fridays. Today's episode is hosted by Randall Williams, Ryan Callaghan, Brody Henderson, and Phil Taylor.  Guests: "Bubbly" Doug Duren, Pat Durkin, and Kyle Lybarger of the Native Habitat Project. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the Mead Eater Podcast Network YouTube channel. This one hour variety show will feature call in guests, you to the Meat Eater crew every Thursday at 11 a.m. Mountain Time on the Meat Eater Podcast Network YouTube channel. And remember, it's live, so anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time on Thursday, December 12th, and we are here live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams, and I'm joined today by Brody Henderson and Ryan Cal-Calahan. Did I get that right?

Nailed it. On today's show, we're going to talk to our good friends, Bubbly Doug Durin and Pat Durkin, who are going to dig into the photo archives for another Throwback Thursday. We're going to North Alabama for One Minute Fishing. We'll discuss our top three wild game and fish species for the table and we're doing another highly anticipated installment of the Meat Eater Movie Club where we will be reviewing the 1978 film Buffalo Rider. Before we get into all that, I've got an important announcement. There are only a few more days left to be sure that any last minute orders from the

MeatEater, First Light, FHF, Phelps, and DSD stores arrive on time for Christmas. And in fact, a little birdie by the name of Corey Kalkins told me that our 2025 fucked up old shitter's calendars, that's that our 2025 fucked up old shitters calendars. That's the F'ed up old shitters calendars will be back in stock tomorrow, December 13th. So get them before they are all gone or before a 2025 calendar is irrelevant. Brody, Cal, it's great to see you both. How are we doing today? I don't know that calendars go irrelevant

because I think most folks are just in them for the photos at this point. Yeah. Yeah and you often walk into a garage and see a calendar from 26 years ago. Exactly. Yeah but that's usually you know big bucks or pinup gals not... I was gonna say the older they are the more lewd they be. it's a good enough shitter. It could stand the test of time exactly well Joining us on the line first today our friends of the program Doug Durin and Pat Durkin Who are joining us on day one of Doug's dough derby in Wisconsin gentlemen welcome to the show? It's great to see you both Hey, I leave is all I see getting out the cold

So what is what's going on with the dough derby there Doug? Can you tell us what the casanova dough derby is? Well the we started to take your time Doug I'm sorry Take your time this thing on yeah, you know, it's a segment. You don't have the whole show. So we started the doe derby a few years ago as a part of the 48 antlerless hunt. And the idea is that we're encouraging people to reduce the population by taking antlerless deer, most of which will be does of course. And then the other thing is that we're getting them encouraging to get them tested for CWD. If they bring their harvested doe, like two in a trailer over in our buggy over here that

we got this morning, cut the head off, submit it for CWD testing inside this thing will be a couple of tickets that they'll fill out. And through the support of generous sponsors like MeatEater and Vortex and Can-Am and boy, there's just a whole list. We have a bunch of prizes that we give away. So we're incentivizing people to harvest and get tested for CWD. And then the other thing that we do is we have this party here on Saturday evening with my tall friend Pat Durkin will be a part of that. And it's just a place where hunters gather and we, you know, tell

deer stories and kind of some of the old school stuff that Pat and I used to enjoy a lot more when we were kids. Does Pat have all the prizes in those pockets on his vest? Like I feel like we'd do a whole segment just going through Pat's pockets. I'm kind of surprised you guys haven't pointed out that for once in my life I'm standing taller than Doug. I Figured it was just the angle of the camera or is there a milk right there Very nice, well, how's how's the hunting been? I

Mean I got this idea by watching the NFL one year in a pregame. I walked down the field and saw Bob Costa standing in a box. And I thought, that's not a bad idea. So I figured when I stand next to Doug, I look like a little kid. So I thought today we'll change things up a little bit, make him look up at me. I like it.

So what is the deer count and have you gotten any testing back yet Doug? Yeah, we're up to depending on Just on the farm and you know the properties that I have here. We're at about 25 Unfortunately The later ones that we got later in the season We haven't gotten back yet

But the unfortunate part is the ones that we got later in the season we haven't gotten back yet, but the unfortunate part is the ones that we got early in the season, including a nice four year old buck that I got tested positive. Brock who's holding the camera here right now shot a antlerless buck and it was a year and a half old I think and a two and a half year old doe and they both tested positive. My nephew Sam shot a three and a half year old buck and an older doe and they tested positive. So we have five that have tested positive out of 11 that we've gotten back so far. All right. All right. And then are those your only doe Derby submissions, the ones in the K&AM there, or have you had some more turned in?

Well, we've got, this year we've expanded, so we have five different kiosks like this where people can enter. And the people who are running those kiosks are bringing the tickets up. And it's been really fun because they, people are more, you know, it's just more opportunity and we'll get more people involved. Um, and, um, I haven't counted them all up yet, but it looks like we're well over 250 so far. Wow.

Very cool. And this is just open to anyone who wants to participate in the area. Is that correct? Right. Anybody who can legally transport a deer, because there's all these CWD regulations that we're not going to talk about unless you really want to. But the CWD regulations, you have to kind of be adjacent. And of course, everybody is sort of adjacent now because of the way the disease has expanded.

So folks can bring, they can bring the head. They can bring the whole carcass in if they want to. Some people have just brought the lymph nodes and you know, who's going to lie about something like that. So, it's been, it's been gratifying to see this grow. I mean, Cal, you were here the first year and we had, I don't know, you know, less than a hundred submissions, I think around 50, and now we're approaching 300, so we're excited about that. Well, that's the way these things have to start, you know, because then everybody who participates

wins something in the raffle and word spreads really fast. The other thing, that meat processor that you have up the road, I mean, Mark Kenyon and I were gonna come back just for the dough derby just so I could make have those guys make more bratwurst. That bratwurst is unbelievable. I'll testify I did get to enjoy some of that bratwurst and it is spectacular. Yeah. Well that's great. Yeah, we're actually enjoying some of those this weekend as well as a part of the party. So yeah. Do you have any idea how many folks are going to be in attendance at the party?

I would say somewhere between 50 and 100. You don't have to be present to win, but I will tell anybody who's in the area who might come to the party Saturday evening. We'll start at about five the We have a Savage Axis rifle with a Vortech scope and a Chris crafted custom sling. Got a big Can-Am branded Yeti cooler. Seed from my friends at Hoxie Native Seed. Camp Chef has given us, as they have in previous years, a really nice two burner stove. Our friends at DECT sent us one of their cases to give away some really great prizes, binoculars from Vortex, a full set of meat eater books all signed by Steve. And so those are some of the prizes for this first drawing. And then we'll have a virtual drawing

the first week of January when the entire season is over. We have this four-day season, and then bow hunting continues. Yep. And then there's a holiday hunt. So between December 14th, hey, between the holidays, right? December 14th to January 1st, there's also another. That's why I have Durkett here. He keeps me. How much wood did Brock buck up for the festivities tonight? We have a pretty good pile over there. We'll be all right. You

know nobody's gonna get, nobody's gonna get cold. You'll be all right. Nobody's going to get cold. You'll be able to see the fire from a ways away. So I think we have brought back some of that enjoyment that people have of getting together. They don't mind standing out in the cold, and that's why we have a big fire, right? And people have really enjoyed coming to that. The participation has grown in the Doe Derby. And, you know, there's a lot of discussion about

what CWD is doing, what populations are doing, areas where people are worried that their population is being not, they're not just seeing sick deer and killing sick deer worried that their population is being not They're not just seeing a lot sick here and killing sick here, but their population Decline that's pretty hard to point it in other directions other than chronic wasting disease Yeah, and you've created a safe place if you will for all these big tough folks To come together and talk about killing does, which is something that's very important, and what they're gonna do with the meat, and then have thoughtful discussions on CWD,

and what they're gonna do with all the cool stuff they want. You're doing the Lord's work, Doug. Well, we're doing what we can, where we're at with what we've got and it's great to see that you have the support of a bunch of different great brands in the industry behind this all. Yeah, it really has been and it's not been incredibly difficult to get people to step forward. We had people come first light came forward and gave us the $500 gift certificate. You know, for first light, what a great, you know, what a great thing that is. And just really, it's been great to see that support. And here we are standing in front of the kiosk where we where people do the, when they come in and

do the reporting and whatnot, I don't think The opposite of alive well So you're not on the dough board yet Yeah, I got two on the board so far and I tried to impress Doug You know that I actually know how to remove the lymph nodes and I tried to impress Doug, you know, that I actually know how to remove the lymph nodes. So that's my contribution is in there just in the little bag. They look suspiciously like consoles.

Yeah, he. Now, is there any sign of our dear friend, Chester Floyd at this gathering? He will be here on Saturday. Yep, for the party. He's bringing his son and he said, I'd like to hunt hunt but I'll have a two-year-old with me. I Said I think I got a spot for you. I'll put him up there in that office I got up on the ridge, you know, yeah one of Pat's pockets. I

Was gonna say you might save that save that milk crate for Chester if we if we end up going back to you Very good. Well guys, it's great to see you and Congratulations on pulling together another great event and best of luck to you in the woods out there Thanks you guys. All right. Thank you very much Couple couple solid folks there. Oh yeah. It is time for Throwback Thursday where we dig into the photo archives and take a trip down memory lane with some of the crew. Take me back to 1974. Go back, I can't believe it. Did I mention Steven Brody are old as shit? Love it.

Oh, that's delightful, Phil. Thank you for that. That's really good, Phil. Oh, the memories. The memories. Pull up the pictures here? Yeah Yeah let's get those pictures up. I was personally shocked that people had digitized memories. I thought that was the whole point of like going back and finding the Polaroids. Well the the new memories. Look at that cute dog. What's that dog? That dog is named Jack, also known as Jack Bishkins.

He, in that photo, God, he must have been maybe two years old. He lived to the ripe old age of seventeen. Whoa! And he turned into quite an asshole in his old age. Speaking of being old though, like you can tell that Randall is not old because this picture doesn't look old. It's like a like high quality, you know, like you mentioned. Yeah, this is this is the early days of digital cameras. I don't know how old I am in that photo, maybe 1920.

That's my first buck, first whitetail deer buck. I'm sitting there in Kentucky and I've got that. We're sitting in the bed of Black Thunder. It's a 1997 Ford Ranger with an orange racing stripe on the side of it. Just a, you know, great memory with a good dog, good truck. What type of firearm? That is a Marlin model 1895 G guide gun chambered in 4570. Oh wild! Yeah, I believe I was shooting a Remington Corlok, the 405 grain soft point. And yeah. Effective range of about 100 yards? Yeah, actually this buck I shot him, he was actually locked up with a smaller buck. Made that smaller bucks day. Yeah, actually this buck I shot him, he was actually locked up with a smaller buck. Made that smaller buck's day.

Yeah, I brought an end to their exciting festivities. What'd that smaller buck do after you shot the big one? Did he gore him? It's all a blur. It's all a blur, but I shot him out of a homemade little crotch seat made out of some leftover planks of wood and two by fours. Right as in the crotch of the tree. Crotch the tree, indeed. And then the following year I shot another 10 point out of that same crotch.

Nice. With that same rifle. So some of my early formative memories there. Still got the rifle? I don't. Great. Big mistake on my part. When I first looked at this I thought there was a cemetery as the backdrop. That's what I thought too. Which I was excited to hear about. No, it's an old well pump with like a crank

handle at the Lewis family farm. Oh here's another one. This is me in maybe 2010, 11 with a couple of Berbitt at the end of a long summer working in Alaska where I have obviously lost my mind. Do they call them Berbitt in Alaska or were there any other names for them? The guys I was with called him Berbitt? I think some people call him cusk up there. Oh, yeah I think so they got so many different names. Yes. These are just on set lines and we Ran around in the dark checking lines and then came back and had a big old Luz I forget what herbit fry on my last night up there cool So that's me and my Amish beard I forget what it is. Urbit Fry on my last night up there. Cool.

So that's me and my Amish beard. Yeah, should bring that back. Who's that strapping young fellow? That's the first iteration of the first light suspenders, Cal. Wool pants, wool union suit. That's a full one piece union suit underneath and then a wool sweater. Classic. Yep, and if if the suspenders were turned the right way out they have little skiers on them But they they are no more because they lost their elasticity a long time ago

But that's that's my first elk ever Right there. Yeah. What? Uh, how old were you in that photo? It was high school. Um, probably sophomore year, I would think. You grew up in Montana, right?

Yep. Did they not have an orange law back then? They did. So this, this, this is like a manufactured photo. Oh, I gotcha. A lot of people take the orange off for the photo. Yeah, which I don't, is never something like I've made a point of, but I was out with my hunting mentor, my outfitter buddy, the guy I learned everything from, and my dad and we, and we

were, it was like, you know, a paid hunt so there were clients in camp which was also like a father-son and it was just rainy, crappy, very typical Western Montana weather, dreary, not a lot happening. And we hiked hard all week and nothing was happening. And as we were packing up at the end of that week, the outfitter was like, part, we got this, why don't you take one more walk? And so I did and was in Hunter's Orange and had a totally different rifle than what's pictured here. If you look close, it's a left-handed 7mm mag. And you may know that I would have nothing to do with the 7mm.

Yeah, I noticed the bullet in. Right or left-handed. I have a sense of one. Yeah, I walked in and looked down into this cut cut and there was a cow and a calf feeding there and Was all by myself first elk was like, oh my god this is really happening and tried to talk myself out of it and all the things and lay down and actually Made a Texas heart shot on this cow as she was going out of sight

So shot her right at the base of the spine and that bullet went in, kicked off her spine and went down through her heart and outer chest. Textbook. Yeah, didn't hit a stitch of me. It was like the most crazy Shot ever but you know as you know, really just a kid cow had a calf Was like, oh my god somebody else could get this this calf and so I ran back to camp and was able to take the other father and son in there and they shot the the son of the two shot the

calf and so they got to go home with some meat and yeah it was a you know kind of conflicting young man experience right of like cow and a calf and all you know but first elk yeah and then and then they were like, you got to get a picture of that thing. That's an antelope. Another mustache-less photo. We do, I did see someone in the chat, there was some question about when you started growing out your mustache and then some question about when you started losing your hair. So because of the hat in the previous photo. So here, clearly you do have a full healthy head

Yeah, I rocked a lot of hair, but you know I think it was always on the way out It was it was fleeting, but I made up for it in the volume that I could grow around the deep pits mm-hmm Yeah I don't even know remember what happened here with this antelope, but that's a Ruger M77 and 280. I had that rifle. It's a good rifle. It is a good rifle. Yeah. Did that have the paddle stock? Yes, it did. Yeah. The Zytel, yeah. Yeah, the full weatherized stainless steel. So, yeah. I cannot remember.

I think my dad must have killed this buck. I was guiding at this point and dad came out to camp. So I was guiding for the old outfitter. And yeah, dad, dad. That's how, that's those, those are the photos we used to take back then. Primary focus was on getting things gutted fast. And that is still my biggest whitetail buck to date. This is, other than antelope, this is the only shoulder mount animal that I have. And Randall has actually got to see this

shoulder mount in person because it's hanging in my buddy's cabin in Augusta. It's impressive. Yep. Oh there he is. I only sent Phil one picture. I didn't know we were supposed to send multiples in but anyway that's me when I was probably 10 or 11 that's northwestern Pennsylvania on Elk Creek, which is a Lake Erie tributary. And back when I was that age, those Lake Erie streams used to get, they used to have an artificial man-made run of cohoes, chinook, and steelhead. So you'd get all three in the streams in the fall for a short period of time anyway when it started raining in the fall And that's me working over a steelhead

Zebko reel probably a Zebko rod reel combo put your wood to him. Yep I landed that thing and I was like the first big fish I ever landed It looks like you have over boots on. I do. What like, what they used to call this thing? Galoshes? Galoshes. No waders.

My dad was cheapskate back then. So yeah, it's like you go in as deep as those boots and no deeper or you're getting wet. But they're like, those streams are weird because they're all shale bottom streams. it's like a lot of it shallow and then there's like one deep because it's so you could and so they'll run up and sit In that bucket. Yeah. Yeah So yeah, man, I've always loved that picture because I'm really reefing on that fish and I landed it It's good times back then. Yeah, and whoever colorized it after the fact from the original black and white did a really nice job. Yeah.

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Mead Eater Radio Live is the newest addition to the Mead Eater podcast feed. at OnePeloton.ca segments, and live feedback from the MeadEater audience. Then on Friday morning, the episode will be available in audio form on the MeadEater podcast feed. So come hang with me, Steve, Yanni, Cal, and the rest of the MeadEater crew every Thursday at 11am Mountain Time on the MeadEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. And remember, it's live, so anything can happen. Well, almost anything. Well, that's it for Throwback Thursday. Our next segment is One Minute Fishing.

Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Go ahead. Make my cast. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing, and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week our angler is Kyle Liebarger, who's at Wheeler Lake on the Tennessee River in Alabama, fishing for crappie.

Kyle is the founder of the Native Habitat Project and today he is fishing for a donation to Conservation Fisheries Inc, a Knoxville, Tennessee based nonprofit dedicated to conserving the unique aquatic ecosystems of the southeast. Kyle, welcome to the show. How's it going? We're doing very well, sir. Welcome to One Minute Fishing. Have you been fishing? Have you pre-fished this spot this morning? Yeah, I have. I've caught about eight or nine keeper crappie and probably 20, 25 in total this morning. This is promising. This sounds like a very promising start. We've been on a bit of a dry spell here and I think that's understating it. So we're eager to have someone in the hot seat there

who knows what they're doing. Well, this pile, it's a tree top. And this thing, every time I come up to it and I catch one of my first casts usually. So I haven't messed with it in like two hours. So I'm hoping there's some crappie on it. Oh, that's dedication. I love it.

Now, what's your rig there? What are you fishing with today? Oh, I just got a little spinning reel. It's a Fluger and a Fenwick rod, and I got live minnows. Classy. Yeah. Live minnows, you said? Yeah, yeah.

So kind of cheating. Yeah, toughies. Well, you know, I have pet fish at home in my pond behind my house And so if I really wanted to cheat I could Well, yeah, this seems like a good earnest effort it looks like you're out there getting after it so yeah Well your timer and your one minute will begin whenever you make your first cast So whenever you're ready Kyle take a shot. All right. Let's try And the timer

Is going says it on a jig head I Have a little split shot about six or eight inches up Mmm, so that's the way and just free lining it I have a little split shot about six or eight inches up. So that's the way I just free lining it. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I use a bobber, but I use a free line. It's like a beautiful piece of water there. Yeah. This is Flint Creek. So we, we manage a little grassland at the boat ramp here that the state lets us manage but 20 seconds 20 seconds on the clock here

pressures on would not want to be you right now and seconds left here Five seconds I think you just got to go with the rip and hook set just just to see oh God the old stick fish look I mean there is a fish on it, but. There is, he's got a point. Oh, man. There's no arguing with that. Well, Kyle, I think next time we need to get you out there

for your first cast of the day. It sounds like you have a pretty good track record when you first get in there. Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, I think y'all need to change it to like, you know, 90 seconds or something. we'll put that one past Steve, but he seems pretty firmly committed to this bit How many of you how many have caught in 60 seconds so far Pat Durkin did

Yonis did but that was I mean that was a special circumstance. Yeah Yeah, maybe we should have a meeting about this offline and rethink the segment But Kyle, I think you've raised some very valid points here. I'm just trying to make myself feel better. So Well, we appreciate you getting out on the water for us and Showing us your your spot there and good luck with the rest of your day. Yeah, appreciate y'all giving me a chance So have a good one. Alrighty, we'll see you again here. I did, like I got a comment, I saw one comment in there where somebody's asking for current fishing conditions on Henry's Lake, Idaho. I love that, I love that. That's the kind of community we need.

Just throwing it out into the universe. Yeah, who knows that's what that's the kind of community we need. Okay, throwing it out into the universe Yeah, yeah, who knows what the show will become in a year. It could just be you know, oh, yeah Just a live fishing report exactly. Yeah, Phil Why don't we take a little break here get some listener feedback? What's happening in the chat? Let's do it Let's start off with a with a breezy one. I don't I don't know if how people Let's start off with a breezy one. I don't know if how people decorate their homes for Christmas, if anybody, but Aaron's asking who at Meat Eater has the most festive house. I know Phil put up lights. I do. I've got a very basic icicle light set up with a wreath on the door. Nothing fancy. I've also got a one story house, so I can't go too crazy. But yeah. Do you

guys decorate the exterior of your homes? We have one string of lights on our porch We're definitely like in our neighborhood. We're like the lame house screech house. Yeah. Yeah, Phil. Are we are you gonna play coy? Are you gonna let people know you've seen the inside of my house? Randall I uh, I happen to know that you have quite the tree. We do have a big honking tree. It's very impressive. I'd rather have the lame house from the outside, but if you come in there's gonna be a cold beer and something good to eat. Well, it's not one or the other. You can have it all, Cal. Not with the timeline I have. Have you seen Cal's garage? He doesn't have any room for distorts and ornaments in the offseason

might need to hang some new shelves from the ceiling there I'm actually I'm curious you know the answer to this question Eric is asking the longest you've gone without punching a tag he says this is his second year in a row have you guys had this speaking of dry spells mmm oh yeah I mean I've definitely definitely been there. I don't have enough self-restraint to not punch tags. It's been a while since I haven't killed anything. I will say I went my first six or seven years of elk hunting without shooting an elk. And I was on a little streak there seven years in a row with bulls and this year it came to an end. You're way ahead of the odds so you can't

be too unhappy about that. I'm pretty unhappy Brody actually. I figure I don't have that many good elk hunting years left you know with my declining health. Wait what? So I just I'm like when am I gonna, I never get to eight you're already planning like for your I don't know physical just debilitation to the point where you can keep keep after it Eric it'll straighten itself out but the thing is is like man there are there are no days of failure in the woods like if you're out there if you're not killing you're still learning a lot more than somebody who's not out there Oh, yeah, and and I will say too a couple of those like I can think of one bull in particular we're about to pack up and

We said before we take the tp down. Let's just go for a little walk You know, we're out here. We might as well put another 15 minutes in and I Shot that bull like 15 yards outside of the teepee. I got out there, put my backpack on, took it off and shot that thing. It was just across the canyon. So it can happen at any time. Also, the more tags you have, the better your chances are. That's true. We're pretty spoiled here. Yeah. You got all kinds of seasons to hunt. Yeah. It's a little different like when you live in a state where you might may only have a chance at like a deer. Mm-hmm

Tyler is asking a question for Cal Phil. Can you ask Cal why no conservation organization right now is dedicated to pronghorn He could be incorrect. I don't know so I'm coming to you Cal Well, I mean there's there's a ton of overlap in that space. As with everything, habitat is king. Habitat and connectivity. And so you have a bunch of groups working on a new bill that would incentivize the preservation, conservation, and reestablishment of grassland ecosystems in North America, which we're losing at an incredibly alarming rate. Everybody should be very concerned about this.

They may announce the monarch butterfly being put on the endangered species list. That is, like if we can save the monarch butterfly, we're going to be kicking ass for pronghorn. So, there, I know there's some folks interested in starting up a antelope pronghorn-specific organization, but don't feel like that work isn't being done. Yeah, I do believe there is a group that has recently incorporated and they're kind of bootstrapping it and looking for funders.

But I don't know that much about it currently. I mean, MDF, Mule Deer Foundation, Sage Grouse Initiative, like there's, Antelope are benefiting, like Cal said, from the work of other organizations. So I mean, even like RMEF, like migration corridor protection, you know, yeah, that migration initiative that focuses on that Hoback to Red Desert migration, like the Antelope use that same migration corridor. But I will say Antelope are cool critters. Incredibly cool. Tasty critters. And they're definitely places where their numbers are following. Yeah and very fun to hunt and so

I you know it would be great if a pronghorn specific group could take off and... Yeah, or if some of these other orgs were willing to like really get some dedicated funding in that space, because there is some really unbelievable inconsistency on how those animals are managed at the state level. But there are some federal and state dollars available for like animal friendly fencing that definitely need more help too. Jared is asking, he has a neighbor who raises breeder bucks and does how will that affect his hunting? He can see the high fence from his blind. Do you have any theories or first-hand experience with this? I got some... we used to guide on a ranch in Colorado,

and the neighboring ranch was a high fence elk operation, and all the bugling that would come off that high fence place could be helpful on the other side of the fence. Yeah, I would think if a bunch of those does are going into estrus and they're essentially chained up at the neighbor's place, that's some good scent attraction. You might want to, going back to Doug and Pat, you also might want to look into the whole CWD thing. Yeah, get your deer tested. Yeah, hopefully there's an exterior fence around the interior fence and ways of preventing

any nose-to-nose contact because those operations are inevitably a CWD hotspot on the map. I would be interested to learn what your experiences are, Jarrett, with that because I think it would be just sort of a novel scenario to watch play out during the rut. Yeah, cool. And we'll do one more for this little segment here. Fantastic. John is asking how he can convince his girlfriend to allow him to put a shoulder mount in the bedroom. Good luck, it hasn't worked for me yet. Yeah, pick your battles. I think... Are we talking like a pronghorn shoulder mount or moose? Moose, six-point bull elk, right? Yeah. How tall are your ceilings? How big is the bedroom? How important is it for you to put a shoulder mount in the bedroom? I feel like I have pretty

free reign of the house when it comes to stacking skulls and, you know, bear rugs and that sort of thing. Eventually that might end though. You reach a saturation point. Yeah, there's a, we're at the saturation point, but I've never, it's never really come to a point where I felt compelled to hang one in the bedroom. There's too many unanswered questions here. Is this the only thing this guy would have in his house, or does he already have a bunch? Yeah, is the bedroom the only place without a shoulder mount? Plus, if you guys are still boyfriend girlfriend, just do it.

Yeah, you'll find out if you're gonna get married or not. And that's our segment of Cal's Relationship Advice. Just test boundaries. Alrighty. Now it's time for another round of Top 3. Oh, top three, top three, top three, oh I will part in a day of tears Wow, Phil hitting the high notes there. That was incredible.

I will say for a little behind the scenes look at how things go here. I was in this studio bright and early and Phil came in and he said, can you please leave? I need to record a drop. And I said, sure. I said, would you like me to put a do not disturb sign on the door? To which he replied, yes, this might be the most embarrassing thing I've ever done. And? What do you think?

No, I think you're perfectly, I mean, you didn't have time to auto tune that. No, that song really, it really shows you the limits of your singing abilities. That's straight from the pipes. I'd take that as a, that gets my stamp of approval, Phil. Great. Thank you. Boy Boy Thursday is my favorite This week we'll be ranking our preferred species of fish and game for the table We're talking the critters that you're reaching for if they're in the freezer

Brody will start with you. What's your number three choice? Am I doing all three or just my third choice? Let's go and roll. Let's go your third, Cal's third, my third, your second, Cal's second, my second. Okay. And then we'll continue that pattern. But I am going to say that I think that this is one of those like tough and almost kind of meaningless ranking systems because I like all kinds of wild fishing game and it's kind of like based on the time of year Like I don't have any wild turkey breasts in my freezer right now So like if I had some that would be my favorite thing to eat

Just just putting I was gonna I was gonna expect that from Cal Yeah, it like it totally changes you disagree with the press Yeah, I think I think in the spirit of this segment If it's in the freezer and you think I have X, Y or Z in the freezer Like what which one are you most commonly gonna reach for? Well, I don't know that it's a common thing either Right. It's like it might be you only have a little bit of it. Exactly. Brody, what's your number three choice?

I'm just saying. It's like there's a lot to think about here, Randall. I'll say king salmon because I only got a little bit of that stuff left right now. And it's like, if you've had the different kinds of Pacific salmon, there's like no question that an ocean caught king is the best of them. Fatty, delicious. You're not a sockeye guy? No, man. King's got, King's like bigger and better and it's a cooler fish.

Everything about it's good. Cal, what's your number three? Elk. Care to elaborate on the reason behind your choice? Elk is a fine meat, but I don't find elk to be very flavorful at this point in my life. There's a lot of variability too man. A lot of variability. You shoot an old cow you might break a tooth on that thing. Or it could be super tender. or it could be super tender I Corp could be super tender that cow in the in the picture you You literally pulled her ivories out what was left of them with your fingers. They fell out super old

Yeah, and she was delicious. Yep but like I have a bowl in the freezer right now and the tenderloin was like this is gonna take a while. Yep I feel like the safest bet is to shoot a young raghorn bull because then you know it's not old. Yeah like yeah timing mm-hmm yeah as early as possible or as late as possible. Yeah, I went for elk as well and the reasons for that are versatility and quantity

There's there's a lot of especially with all that ground and sausage There's a lot you can do with it And so it's kind of just our go-to and it's also our go-to because there's a lot of it. Yeah every elk you kill Mm-hmm. Yep, Brody. What's your number two here? Oh, I'd I'd probably go with some white meat game bird like blue grouse while I'd go with wild turkey just cuz you get more of it I Don't know. No, I'm going with blue grouse. It's better than wild turkey blue grouse is fantastic. What are you doing with that? typically all different kinds of stuff man, like

you can't beat just like I like to save the legs from all my game birds and then do something with those but like The breast from a bluegrass pounded out Just battered and fried on a sandwich is hard to beat. Yeah, that is awesome. Yep. Cal number two um, I And say mule deer Because I'm yeah, I'd like I really for whatever reason don't find You know even trying to kill big old bucks like I don't find them

Chewy and they have more flavor than elk. So I'd prefer mule deer over elk. Big mule deer. Mm hmm. All right. That are living the life of mule deer. The good life. Far away from agriculture.

Yep. Yep. I went with salmon for my number two and I couldn't decide between sockeye or king So I just went with the generic salmon, but I like sockeye if it's just going on the grill But I feel like King is more maybe a little more versatile like for a chowder You have all that extra fat and slicing it up and eating it raw. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I love it I love having a big pile of salmon in the freezer and

For your number one selection Brody. Well, I got a a big pile of salmon in the freezer. And for your number one selection, Brody. Well, I got a shitload of moose in the freezer right now. So that's my favorite. But actually, I think out of the different cervid species, moose has like, and this is gonna sound weird. Some people will be like, no way, but I think it has a beefier flavor than other deer species. It's like noticeable. And it's like you take a bite of that stuff. And

it's like, yeah, that's, that's like good, good meat. And yeah, so I'm glad I got a lot of it right now. Yeah. You'll be enjoying that one for a while. Ducks, mallard ducks, or you know mallard, Widgeon, gadwall, and tails. Yeah something with fat. Yep. Yeah like that is my, are you familiar with this like girl dinner phenomenon that's like you know, that's my Oh, yeah. Like, you know, that's my girl dinner. Like, I had... So Cal and snored on the couch with a rom-com on.

And just eat a whole fatty duck with salt on it. With your fingers. Yep. Oh, I love it. So good. Throw it on the grill with a big fireball that maybe comes close to burning down your friend's house on the 4th of July. Yep. Yep. That type of duck.

Piece of bread to sop up that fat with. Yeah. Salt, fat, protein, medium rare, blood all around. Yep. Like that speaks, speaks to a person. Hard to beat. Yep. I was surprised. Uh, my number one choice was antelope.

Man, if I get an antelope in the freezer or in some years multiple antelope in the freezer that stuff just goes so quickly Because it's simple You know sear it cook it rare Salt and you don't need much else because it's just got so much flavor on its own. Yeah, so I thought I thought this was gonna be More of a boring segment because we'd be on the same page, but I like that we got a little bit of variety here. Well, yeah, I do side with Brody here. It's like, you know, some seasons of plenty in one protein department.

I mean, last, two years ago, I had two big chunks of bluefin tuna. And like, yeah, holy shit man I I thought there was another way to approach this where it was what's one wild fish or game species that's been in your freezer once that you'd like to see back in there mm-hmm yeah I'd like muskox loin is I think unique and really really fantastic Yeah, like bighorn sheep fatty delicious. Yep hard to acquire. Yeah hard to acquire. Yeah, I'd go with mountain lion Mountlions fantastic. I if I could shoot a mountain lion every year Instead of a deer I'd probably do that just for variety. Yeah. Yeah, I mean varieties the key man

You can get sick of anything. You can have the best elk in the world, but if you're eating it every day, you're gonna get sick of it eventually. Yeah, like you, I had a long stretch of being up to my ears in elk meat and not hunting elk for a few seasons. I haven't been missing elk in the freezer.

Well, thanks for playing along, gents. For a few seasons. I haven't been like missing elk in the freezer, you know, mm-hmm Well, thanks for playing along gents We'll come up with a more Compelling clear-cut prompt for our next top three segment. Yeah always room to improve, you know Sometimes when it comes to your personal fitness goals, you just need a plan Peloton can give you the plan Absolutely, and Steve you've got a Peloton. I sure do. And Steve benefits from things like a variety of challenging classes. There are four week strength building classes, running, cycling, everything in between. Peloton can adapt to any goal in this season of your life. And by the way, the holidays are around the corner. Now is when you need to be on the Peloton. Find your push. Find your power with Peloton at onepeloton.ca.

Our next segment is Meat Eater Movie Club. Oh. Love what you did there, Phil. It's a menagerie. The 1978 or perhaps 1976, I found a few discrepancies in various sources for when this film was released. The 1978 film, Buffalo Rider,

directed by John Fabian, Dick Robinson, and George Loris, stars stuntman Rick Gwynn as Jake Buffalo Jones, a frontiersman who tames an American bison and uses it as his primary mode of transportation while battling both natural elements and human adversaries. The film's plot follows Jones, the rider, and his companion Sampson, the buffalo, through a series of increasingly outlandish adventures across the frontier. Their primary antagonist is the ruthless market hunter Frank Nesbitt, who the narrator tells

us, quote, loves the killing, and his unsavory gang of hideskinners, Ralph Pierce and Ted Claiborne, who serve as the film's central villains. While most peculiar to a contemporary audience, Buffalo Riders' unconventional construction — a rough cobbling together of pre-existing wildlife footage, staged scenes, buffalo riding stunts, and excessive narration — is representative of the low-budget exploitation filmmaking of the 1970s. This genre emphasized shocking violence, lurid sexuality, and unusual spectacle to draw audiences away from the production values and narrative coherence of mainstream Hollywood cinema.

Beyond a simple representative example of this particular style, however, Buffalo Rider serves as a rich text that emerged from and reflected the specific historical conditions of its creation. Its chaotic, almost anarchic production reflects no doubt unintentionally America's fractured cultural landscape in the 1970s. This was an era of profound disillusionment in American life. The Watergate scandal had shattered public faith and authority in established institutions, the Vietnam War had ended in humiliation, and economic stagflation was eroding middle-class stability. In 1979, only one year after the release of Buffalo Rider, President Carter would deliver

his famous Crisis of Confidence speech, diagnosing a nation that had lost its sense of purpose and direction. In many respects, the confusing structure and seemingly arbitrary narrative choices of Buffalo Rider embody the fraying coherence that Americans in the late 1970s saw all around them. Perhaps most obviously the film's technical shortcomings, its rough editing and consistent tone and apparent lack of quality control, reflect the decade's material constraints. Likewise, the prevalent drug culture of the decade might help explain some of the film's

more bizarre creative decisions. The inexplicable genre hopping between wildlife documentary and western adventure, the replacement of dialogue with unceasing descriptive narration, and sequences like the buffalo in a saloon shootout suggest a production process operating on its own, might I suggest chemically altered logic. Perhaps most poignantly, much like the nascent environmental movement of the 1970s, which struggled to reconcile ecological concern with embedded cultural practices and market forces, Buffalo riders environmental message while sincere is undermined by its own contradictions.

Just as the villainized hide-hunters within it the narrative exploit wildlife for profit, the filmmakers themselves commodify animal violence for monetized entertainment value. As the film's catchy theme song rolls over the end credits, the viewer can't help but wrestle with an unresolvable tension between our hero's guiding ethos and the commercial imperatives of artistic production in capitalist society. Viewed through this lens, Buffalo Rider becomes more than just a badly made movie. It serves as an inadvertent cultural artifact capturing the disorientation of American life in the late 1970s. Its very incoherence tells us something about a moment when American

society itself seemed to be coming apart at the seams, when the old certainties of post-war prosperity and progress were dissolving and new truths had yet to emerge. I give it a 10 out of 10. And for your viewing pleasure, I am pleased to share one of the YouTube clips that gave this film something of a renaissance in recent years. We're gonna watch a brief excerpt from episode 2 of Guy on a Buffalo by the band Jomo and the Possum Posse out of Austin, Texas. Please, Phil, take it away. the guy on the buffalo hopped off to stretch his legs walking the field hey what's this in the weeds it's a baby awesome they put it in a saddle hopped on hopped it up a hill and across the plain tried to cross a river

not gonna happen man you're riding on a buffalo member but keep the baby afloat good job remember cheaper than adoption It's so good. It is so good. Better than the movie, in fact. Well, the thing is, is this is how the movie is narrating. It's like, and now he's doing this and this and this. Oh. That's what's striking to me. Okay, this scene where he shows the scars on his back, it's like, what? Oh, you're gonna have to just punch that cougar in the face. Get out of here, kitty cat.

Get out of here. And hey, woo, I got something to use a kitten from. So there's the animal violence. Yeah. Multiple times in this show. These dogs definitely get kicked by a buffalo. Thank you, Phil. So I do have a bit of research

that I'm tickled to share with you. As a bit of a preload to our discussion, I found an article that was published by the Canadian Broadcasting Company, as Mr. Gwyn, who plays Jake Jones, is an Albertan. So the film was filmed in Utah and Oregon, and the lead actor, Rick Gwyn, was working for a company that supplied animals for film productions.

He was in Missouri to purchase some mulesules and someone offered to sell him a buffalo as well. He decided to try to tame it so that he could ride it and he was successful in doing so and then some filmmakers saw him do that and said do you want to star in a movie about a man who rides a buffalo? So that's how we got this film. Many of the scenes were unscripted and they simply captured what happens when a man is on top of a buffalo. According to Gwynn, quote, they're still a wild animal and they feel a little different. They're a little more stubborn and not as smart as a horse it seems. His fall off Sampson

in the film was in fact a real fall that resulted in injuries to his ankles. Nobody was questioning that. My favorite favorite detail the mountain lion attacked in the film was in fact a mountain lion attack the lion was being filmed on the same property for a different production when it escaped that production ran onto the set of Buffalo Rider and attacked mr. Gwynn but it wasn't a wild mountain lion it I mean, it attacked him. It was being filmed for like a nature show. And so it attacked him. The cameras just happened to be rolling

as he was filming a hunting scene. I love it so much. According to Gwyn, quote, "'I had to kind of fight him off. "'It was a life or death situation. "'I kind of had to do something real quick. "'We had lots of shots like that "'that were just built in the movie that were accidents

Just change the script a little bit and continued on but that mountain lion obviously didn't have full when yeah But when they showed his injuries those were real injuries Yeah, but they were like they were and that was a real lion had it had it been a real lion Yeah, they're fully intact lion sure injuries. Yeah, been the fact that they said it escaped production yeah the fact that you guys are not listen I think it's amazing you're not enthralled by the idea that that lion attack was totally listen I have to point something else out here the fact that that buffalo comes out of Missouri is very telling because you can tell that that thing has a lot of beef cow oh yeah Yeah for sure

Yes, so just general thoughts on the film. It's a beefalo It held my attention for less time than your view of the film did and then went back to cleaning guns Oh, I think you're crazy, man Listen, I would watch this over Escanaba in the moonlight. Yeah, nine out of ten. Absolutely I I loved the you know, if you're you know old enough to remember like the old The big long-run at Disney movies. Oh, yeah, right Yeah, this is like right in that genre and then yeah, it has all this like very gratuitous like, you know Nature document was that guy's name

who'd grizzly add the nature guy who they found out like a lot of the animals in the nature documentary. What was his name? Yeah anyways yeah I know who you're talking about. It'd be like synonymous with nature for a long time but anyway yeah I mean, and just crazy departures and... Bandit the Raccoon. To me, it's hilarious because there's like some filmmaking 101, right? Where it's like, well, if you're gonna talk about it, you have to show it.

Yeah. And just be like, so then he got on the track and it looked like that of a mule track. And it's like, oh, there's Jake on the track. Except I liked the part in the film where they mentioned a character who never appears on stream. He's like, he talked to the sheriff and the sheriff said it was okay. So he went on. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of filling in of gaps with the narration because otherwise there would just be no story.

And it's just constant narration, which is bizarre. Well, there is a saying in showbiz, it's show don't tell. And they took that axiom and flipped it on its head. And it's like, we're actually just gonna tell you things that are happening that you won't see happen. Yeah. The scenery was great.

Beautiful. The air was great. Strongest part of the movie. There was some weird wildlife stuff. Yeah, I mean, they knew so well that the actors weren't gonna carry any part of this that it's like just lean on the scenery the narration and the animals oh the line the line delivery was insane what I want to know is like the people who made this movie was it made?

Were they serious about like, this is like a movie or were they just fucking around? I believe they were. I think the messing around came before it was an actual movie and then somebody's like, yeah, we're gonna pay for this. They're like, oh God. There was a quote from Rick Gwynn that it was essentially just like meant to be a fun, silly

family wildlife movie with a bit of adventure. So I don't think it was done as a parody. But yeah, it's just like a fever dream. At one point they follow the raccoon and the lion tries to drown it. But then the lion is in the cold deep water and it can't drown it. So the raccoon gets away and then rides an ice, rides a ice flow.

Yeah, rides an ice flow down the river. And he thinks long and hard before he comes near that river again. Yeah. On to the next scene. Phenomenal. The pioneer lady Mm-hmm her acting I mean

They they make the decision to stick with her long so you can see her like emotional wind up your line But they show all of that. I mean, it's it's really amazing It's like it seems like so weird and such an outlier now 50 years later or whatever. Um, but really it's not that unusual for the seventies. They made a lot of weird movies in the seven. Oh, go back and watch easy writer. You're like rancho deluxe, rancho deluxe. Like the raccoon scene in this film reminded me of the like 10 minute sex

scene in the middle of Rancho Deluxe and they're like why did they do this? Mm-hmm. Were they just filming time? It didn't need to be in this movie. No. Sydney had a theory that the raccoon was important because when Buffalo Jones returned the infant to the ranch, you know, that the raccoon would have to nurse the baby to health because they made a big point to say that it was a

female raccoon to everyone's surprise. Yeah, that was the big reveal. But he got cobbler and stew or something? I mean it was just... Yeah, I would watch this, folks, at home. Yeah. I mean, this is gonna surprise you. It's great. Like there's a lot of stuff that you're probably numbing your mind with on Netflix. Check this one out. And I will say the beginning of it when they're outlining the historical context is pretty solid. I was gonna ask you like historically you're the man right? So how accurate is what they were? I mean, Buffalo Jones is a real person whose life in no way resembles

Buffalo Jones in the movie. No, I'm saying like, the way the whole thing was, I thought it was interesting. The set up for the conflict in the movie. Well, they, I mean, these guys had one pack animal and they were hide hunters, so they wouldn't have gotten very far. You know, typically I think they would have operated

with a few wagons. But the way that they hunted them, like when he's talking about shooting the lead cow and then shooting the whole herd, I mean a lot of that stuff is straight out of like the sources that you read. And the stand hunting, like going up and getting, you know, sneaking up on a herd, getting down prone, he even had the shooting sticks at one point. Yeah, like that's something that... So they did some some down prone. He even had the shooting sticks at one point. That's something that- So they did some solid research.

And laying out the cartridges. Yeah. That all seemed quite legit. And the guys, when the guys, the narrator's like, then they got the sharps, the big 50 sharps, and they were shooting them. I forget, I think he said- Set out to 650.

Yeah, I don't know how how you know accurate that is but from the beginning of it I was like man if this is like a documentary or something produced for high schoolers like this would be pretty informative that's exactly what it reminded me of like I'm just old enough to remember like the substitute teacher comes in and rents out like an old VHS from the AV department and puts it on like mr. Jones has a fever and So I'm gonna just play this film for you to continue our lesson on the the West and the destruction of the bison Yeah, I said this earlier, but I do think Steve would take issue with with demonizing the Buffalo Hunters. Oh, yeah, I Like which is not an uncommon thing in movies. Sure. And I did like that they were just like basically 13 year olds who got into wrestling matches

at the drop of a hat. But the one guy did have a conscience. He did say at some point, he killed the woman. Oh shoot, you didn't have to do that. And then he says killing women ain't good Killing women ain't no good that comes from Ralph So I mean they did have there were there was some depth to those characters But the main the main hunter rather than his skinners seemed to be sort of an unredeemable Figure when they first focus, you know, nobody gets to jump on Frank Nesbitt

or some line like that and then the narrator's like, Frank Nesbitt told everybody about a guy riding a buffalo. Yeah. And then it's like in the saloon, he's like, there's a guy riding a buffalo. And then he goes up to the bar and he's like, there's a guy riding a buffalo. We saw him two days from here. Well, there's also these nuggets in there that you wonder like, where are they gonna do something else? Because the camera, when he rides the buffalo into the saloon, the camera makes a point to show you

that it knocks over the stove. And we were just waiting for the saloon to go up in flames, you know, and then there was really no point for the camera to follow this. That would be too much plot for this. Yeah. There's also a point where I do wonder if it was a stuffed buffalo head that knocks over the card table in that scene because it was just a weird cutaway.

Also odd, like Frank Nesbitt and the boys are bad people. And Buffalo Jones concentrates 90% of the gunfight on the auxiliary character. And Frank Nesbitt never gets a shot off. Yeah. And I was like, well, okay. It also seemed- That was the only flaw I found in the film. Well, I think my favorite part of the film

was that they ordered gin and tonics. A classic frontier drink. Give me that watch. We're getting a couple gin and tonics. And then the fact that they had sort of a dual ending where they filmed the saloon shootout, and then they're like, you know, it shouldn't end here. Why don't we just have one of these guys not be here? The narrator is narrators like my dad told it and then the buffalo can kill Him yeah, but man the chase scene at the end goes like it's phenomenal It's great. I would watch this again It takes that mule a little while to get going though like the first two minutes the chase the mule just seems to be

putting interesting deal there to The mule just seems to be finding its footing. Interesting deal there too. Where'd the mule come? No, did they steal the mule from the wagon train, I guess, but no saddle. Yeah. Again, I think you're asking too many questions for the plot.

I thought it was very strange that they didn't take the wagon itself because their primary motivation in all this was just logistics. They wanted to be able to transport more hides and So they they killed his family Liffek hide hunter and they leave the wagon there But like the reason that they first tangle up with Buffalo Jones is because he looks at the buffalo

He says boy that could carry a lot of stuff. Let's kill that guy and take his take his mode of transportation Yeah Yeah and take his mode of transportation. Yeah. Yeah. And the whole time, the costumes, I just kept thinking I was watching like a Jethro Tull documentary. It was just like, I thought it was like, if you tamed back the fringe just a little bit

and added like a feather in the hair, we're at Woodstock all of a sudden. Well, no, I mean, yeah, or they're in Easy Rider. Yeah. I mean, that's the era. Yeah, I mean, in the 1970s, one that much different from the 1870s, right? Yeah. No, I mean, the fashion was pretty-

People wore the same kind of shit. It all comes back. Long hair, dirty, like- Yeah, yeah, I thought that Buffalo Jones really had a very striking resemblance to, like, 1970s portrayals of Jesus. The long hair, the beard, and he's just always sort of has this contemplative look on his face.

There is a lot to unpack here. There was, there, a real buffalo being shot. Yes. And definitely real dogs being kicked, and definitely a real mountain lion getting punched in the face. Yeah, that first Buffalo that gets shot in the neck. Yeah, I Read somewhere someone claimed that they had trained them to fall when they're hit with rubber bullets, but I True I have no it would be interesting to find out when Hollywood really started cracking down on that stuff because like animals

got shot and yeah like like when Hollywood really started cracking down on that stuff because like animals got hurt and shot and like those big stampede scenes. Oh yeah. Somebody's breaking a leg somewhere. Yeah a lot of horses get killed in Hollywood. Boy thanks for indulging me and taking an hour and 28 minutes of your time to review that film because that just tickled me to death. Oh again I'd watch that over Escanaba in the moonlight. And thanks to our audience for the recommendation that one did come to our inbox as a as a suggested film for discussion so thanks very much for that

it was just a real pleasure. Phil I think that's about time for, but do we have any more items from the chat that you'd like to share? Yeah, we've got a few. Not a whole lot came in. John's just asking a General Bo question. What bows did you guys use this year, if any, and are you excited for any new ones? A 6mm Creedmoor. I got a Rob Lee bow out of Texas new recurve that is absolutely badass I love it it's the first new bow I've had in a long time really really awesome awesome

bow and I'm not looking for another one Yeah, I can't add anything to that great Mountain bucks is asking if you've ever eaten Bobcat and what's better mountain lion or Bobcat? I have had Mount lion tacos a couple of times And yeah, I mean it's it's good. I don't I don't think I've eaten Bobcat. I have it's very similar Yeah, I think you can you get the right line. You're gonna. It's gonna be a little fattier Yeah, and then you just have more to work with you know like those loins and stuff on these animals have a lot more

sinew and So yeah, you probably get more meat off of off of a wild turkey gobbler than you'd get up off of a bobcat yeah probably yeah yeah yeah Cal what's your beer of choice you know some typos in this in this question so I'm kind of just making an assumption that that's what you're asking you know right now like beer or lights of your choice right now, there always used to be like all these good seasonal dark beers that come out around Christmas time. And for whatever reason, here in Boz Angeles, you know, cultural mecca, you can't get any of them. So, that's the only part of the war on Christmas that's succeeding.

Yeah, Phil found Jubalal Ale and that's good stuff Nin Kasi had I think it's nin Kasi and Slayer. Oh, yeah There's some drama so nin Kasi used to distribute to Southwest, Montana and then there was some some some distribution war happening and and Someone pissed someone off and then they stopped distributing nin Kasi. Yeah here. It was a bummer. Slayer was good. Yeah Yeah, so I like I like Rainier both ends of the spectrum

love Rainier when it's hot and You know, you just want a refreshing very light generic lager But other than that it's's got to have some flavor. Like a really good Pilsner or get into the dark beers. Got a six pack of the Bavik Super Pils at home. The Bavik Super Pils. Yeah, very good stuff. That's good stuff, yeah.

Yep. And then just for the freaks out there, another plug for the Meat Eater, Dungeons and Dragons session. I'm saying this on record, it will happen in 2025. I don't know if you will ever see it. It might not be official. No, it will not be official.

It will probably be me in Spencer's kitchen, hopefully Randall's there, and a couple other people. When you asked me to join your dungeon, or whatever it's called, I did say yes. You did. I preface that with the caveat that I don't know what I'm doing, I did say yes. You did. I preface that with the. Caveat that I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm I'm down. Yeah. And if if any of you know any sort of outdoor like hunting, animal tracking, centered one shots, let me know, because I'm probably not going to write my own

because I'm lazy and not that good. So hit me up. I'm going to ask you to explain one shots for me once we sign off here. Yes, sounds good. And yeah, I shots for me once we sign off here. Yes. Sounds good. And yeah, I think that's all we got for questions. Well, we're already running a little long here. Yeah, it was a meaty episode.

Before we go, I would like to make a couple of quick announcements. We are in fact going to do a great American venison jerky competition. And we will have more details for you in the new year. In the meantime, start perfecting your venison jerky competition and we will have more details for you in the new year. In the meantime, start perfecting your venison jerky recipes and thanks to everyone who already emailed us about their jerky. The inbox has been overwhelmed with interest from prospective contestants and we appreciate your enthusiasm. Also,

as we mentioned last week, we will be pre-recording episodes for the holiday break and we would like to address listener questions. So if you have a burning hunting and fishing question that you'd like the crew to answer, send it along to radio at TheMeatEater.com. That's radio at TheMeatEater.com. And looking forward to recording that episode. It should be a fun, fun little hour of discussion. record in that episode. It should be a fun, fun little hour of discussion. With that, I'll just remind you to get those holiday orders in quickly so your gifts arrive in time for Christmas. Keep an eye out for a restock of the fucked up old Shitter's calendar and we'll sign off from Bozeman, Montana. Thank you for joining us. Thank you! Happy Holidays! We'll be going live from meat eater HQ on the meat eater podcast network YouTube channel

This one-hour variety show will feature call-in guests segments and live feedback from the meat eater audience Then on Friday morning the episode will be available in audio form on the meat eater podcast feed So come hang with me Steve Yanni Cal and the rest of the meatadEater crew every Thursday at 11am Mountain Time on the MeadEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. And remember, it's live, so anything can happen. Well, almost anything.