The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 654: MeatEater Radio Live! Fishing in a Tornado, Otter Sex, and The Price is Right

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Corinne Schneider, and Cory Calkins talk with fisherman Brian Johnson about fishing in a tornado, play MeatEater Price is Right, get schooled in some Chetiquette, talk about sea otter sex, and speak with butcher Anna Borgman of Chaos Farms. Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey American history buffs, hunting history buffs, listen up, we're back at it with another volume of our Meat Eaters American History series. In this edition titled The Mountain Men, 1806-1840, we tackle the Rocky Mountain beaver trade and dive into the lives and legends of fellows like Jim Bridger, Jed Smith, and John Coulter. This small but legendary fraternity of backwoodsmen helped define an era when the West represented not just unmapped territory, but untapped opportunity for those willing to endure some heinous and at times violent conditions. We explain what started the Mountain Man era and what ended it.

We tell you everything you'd ever want to know about what the mountain men ate, how they hunted and trapped, what gear they carried, what clothes they wore, how they interacted with Native Americans, how 10% of them died violent deaths, and even detailed descriptions of how they performed amputations on the fly. It's as dark and bloody and good as our previous volume about the white-tailed deer skin trade which is titled The Long Hunters 1761 to 1775. So again, this new mountain man edition about the beaver skin trade is available for pre-order now wherever audiobooks are sold. It's called Meat Eaters American History, The Mountain Men, 1806 to 1840 by me, Stephen Rinella.

Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eaters Trivia at 11 a.m. Mountain Time on Thursday, January 23rd and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Spencer Neuarth, joined today by Corinne Schneider and Corey Colkins. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Johnson about getting caught in a tornado while fishing. After that, we'll play MeatEater's Price is Right, then we've got a chatiquette about public land deer hunting, followed by Corinne educating us about sea otter sex, and finally we'll interview Anna Borgman about how to be a good customer at the butcher. But first Corinne, Cory, Phil, I have come bearing gifts today.

This is for each of you. Phil, yours is over mine. Corinne has described that it looks like tartar sauce. That is deer tallow balm. Ooh, thank you Spencer. So this is off of my Idaho buck that I killed this fall. I killed him in early October. Deer are probably like their fattest. Right at the end of September, beginning of October, they've like put on their winter coat and their winter fat by that point But they haven't burned it all off by participating in the rut so I killed this buck

Probably at his peak fatness Phil has a picture of him there. Oh, yeah But anyway, I killed this buck. I peeled all that fat off of them Took that home. I rendered it a few days later got got a really nice Took that home. I rendered it a few days later got a really nice Like amber color fat. That's right. That was all the fat Distilled down to that did in my slow cooker and then this past weekend my wife and I Made a bunch of products with it and this that you're getting is what we're going to call our buck bomb It is the deer tallow. It's beeswax, it's yarrow infused oil, the yarrow came from our backyard, and then essential oils.

This looks so good. Yeah. So you could apply this stuff to your lips, dry skin, fresh tattoo, your leather boots, leather purses, whatever you want to put this on. And it's food grade. This is great so you can eat it. Yeah, slather it, I mean I wouldn't, but great so you can eat it. Yes lather where I mean I wouldn't but yeah You slather wherever you want, but with essential oils might give it off a funky taste. Yeah, but it sure smells good. Yeah Thank You Spencer Corrine Corrine has done some taste testing already, but actually doesn't taste up it tastes just taste like essential oils

I imagine way to utilize the entire animal. It was fun, it was fun. You know, I kill most of my critters during the rut and they're just like, you know, not a lick of fat on them. But Idaho has an early rifle season and I've already got that same tag for this coming year. So I'm looking forward to pulling more fat off of that whitetail to make more fun little products like this.

Thanks for the gift. Yeah, it's already helping. We'll use it up. Crack knuckles. There you go. Very, very helpful. Isaac is asking how many pounds of fat you got off. I'm guessing unrendered, he's asking.

Yeah, I don't know how to describe it in pounds. Ten? Five? I wouldn't say ten pounds. I would say if you took How can I think about this? How many gallons? Probably like If you if you had like a basketball and you packed that whole thing full of fat Shelby piped in and said 81 ounces. 81 ounces!

Okay, thank you Shelby. That is my wife I've encouraged her throughout this process to take some really good notes. So we were very satisfied with the project, or with the products this time, but next time it's gonna be even better. The texture of it seems a bit whipped, like it's whipped, it's light. Did you whip it?

Good job, Corinne. Yes, we did whip it. That makes it go a little bit further. So this stuff, I don't think it was either not whipped or not whipped for very long, but we did whip a lot of our products. We made lotion. We made butter. We made a body scrub We made chapstick. Yep. Yep a lot of different stuff fun way to spend a Sunday You guys make soap we did not make soap quite yet. We we thought about it. We did make a candle though

Okay, with it as well. Yeah Yeah nice. So give me a review after you've used this for a little bit on your skin and your leather. Thank you. No problem. All right, we're gonna get right into the show. Joining us on the line first is Brian Johnson who is here to talk about getting caught in a tornado while bass fishing in Texas. Brian, welcome to the show. Glad to be here. And while we talk to Brian, Phil is going to be playing that video that Brian took that day of fishing in that tornado. First thing, tell us about being on the water leading up to the storm. So I'd gotten up that morning, it was after Christmas, my kids had gone to visit some other family and I stayed back.

So I thought, man, I'm going to go fishing today. I knew that there was bad weather in the area, but all of the forecast that I saw, the storm that were coming, they were going to be moving north and east. So I thought as long as I look back to the southwest and there is no bad weather then I should be fine So I went out that day and I've been fishing several hours before this video Actually takes place I fished for several hours the fish as you know is an outdoorsman Crazy things happen in the wildlife when the barometric pressure starts fluctuating.

And those fish, they were biting every cast, every other cast. So I called my friend Tony, who's in the boat here with me, I said, Tony, you got to get out here. The fishing is amazing. They're going crazy. So we never intended to film a tornado. We're filming a fishing video and the camera was just left on during the tornado. It is really crazy footage. You can see it either on this episode on the Me Deer Podcast YouTube channel

or I just posted it on my Instagram channel. You'll get to see what it looks like to be on a lake in the middle of a tornado. You knew there was bad weather, but did you know that there was an EF3 tornado with 138 mile per hour winds in the area? Oh my goodness, is that what it was? So I knew that there was bad weather

and I knew that there were potential for storms. When I left that morning, I checked the weather and then I'm not just checking the weather the whole rest of the time. I'm fishing. But I did have a few phone calls from some friends and family saying, hey, you ought to, you need to watch out for this. And I said, hey, look, man, if things moving north, everything to the south in the middle of that storm, if you look south, it is still sunshining. So, I mean, I was just foolish and didn't pay attention.

In fact, I went back and looked at a longer version of the video, and you can hear my phone going off with the warning. So I would tell people, did I know that I was going to get in the middle of a tornado, and so I wanted to catch a fish so bad that I stayed out there during that. Absolutely not. But I will tell you, I thought tornadoes, my experience is they look like the movie Twister. It's this grey, skinny tornado moving across the sky. That's not what I saw. What I saw and what you see in that film is blue and it's very wide.

I never thought a tornado would be that wide. That was a very rare occurrence for our area. So I thought when I saw it over there, I thought this is just a rainstorm. That's rain over there and it's gonna be moving north. So I'm not even gonna get wet. By the time I knew that I was in a tornado, it was too late. And at what in a tornado, it was too late.

And at what point did you realize it was too late though? Like once the tornado was on top of you? Like literally when you're watching the video and I've got my rod in my hand right there, I'm still playing on fishing at that point. You lost a hat. I'm still fishing, I lost my hat and then the wind started blowing real hard

and then it's the first time it's rained all day, okay? So it starts to rain and I looked over at my buddy. I don't think that I'm in a tornado till right about there. And then I said, Tony, we are in the tornado. And the reason I knew it wasn't because of the rain or even the wind, because I've been in storms before, but you couldn't breathe. Okay? The pressure changed.

And I just looked at him, I said, Tony, we're in a tornado. We're in it right now. And you see me, the boat is standing still because I've got one of those, the Minn Kota Talon, the shallow water anchor that drives down into the ground. This boat during this whole process, it's only a cast away from the boat dock, okay? I'm not in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. I'm on a 200 acre reservoir and I can see my truck sitting there.

I'm thinking if anything, I'm so close to safety. The boat is anchored down and you see me turning around in the video and they're like, why is he staying there? Because I'm waiting for the anchor to come up. The anchor has me down. So then I start the boat, the anchor comes up and that's when we drive towards the shore.

And you said it was hard to breathe being in the tornado. Give us some more description of what it's like to be in the middle of a tornado. What could you see, hear, feel? So you can't see anything. You can't see anything. I couldn't see the bank. I told Tony, I'm going to go to the bank. I mean, it's just raining and it's just pelting us. And if you're watching the video,

there will come a point in the video, if you listen to it, that everything goes quiet. And during that quiet part, they believe that was when we went through actually the eye of the storm. And I'll tell you, so the weather reports had been all over. We know for sure it was an EF3, but some of the local reports said that there were gusts up to 161 miles an hour. I will tell you this, it blew my truck off of the levee, it blew my buddy's truck off of the levee, it rolled another truck and on the street, right probably 200 yards from where we are,

there's the gate, there are massive power line, transmission lines that go to the beach, that go towards High Island and Bolivar Peninsula. And they were built to withstand hurricane force winds. And they're the big steel ones that are in concrete at the bottom. Those were snapped in half on both sides of where we were. My goodness.

So again, you can see this video on our YouTube channel or on my Instagram. The storm or the video sort of ends after the boat flips over and you guys are hung up in some shallow water at that point. Where did the three of you wind up after the boat got over and you guys are hung up in some shallow water at that point, where did the three of you wind up after the boat got turned over? Okay, so when you're watching the video and you see the boat flip over, when the boat

flipped over, everyone was under the boat. We're in the reeds, it's probably waist-deep water and and we're under the boat. So my first thought is I've got to get out from under this boat. So I'm telling you I tried to get out from under the boat and and my leg was was hung on something. I don't know if it was the throttle or what, but I was stuck and I couldn't get out and the waves and the wind were just pounding me. So I think for a second,

this is how they drown and die in the movies, okay? This is where it's over, because I'm half under and half out and trying to hold on with the waves are splashing in my face and I'm telling you at that time, I cried out to Jesus and he gave me a piece and said it's gonna be okay. And somehow everything was calm.

And I'm like, okay, this is not how my story ends. God's got a plan and a purpose for me. I need to just calm down. And so I calmed down and I was able to wiggle and wiggle and then my legs got free and I was able to get out. Now the storm is still, the wind is still whipping. So I'm not wanting to get out of the boat. And I'll tell you this, and I believe this

with all my heart, I believe that part of God's plan was that he saved me by flipping that boat and he saved my friend and he saved my dog because had the boat not flipped, we would have tried to get to the truck. Had we tried to get to the truck, we would have literally blown away. Oh my goodness.

On the lip. Wow. Okay. What was your dog doing while the storm was moving in? So that dog, Sam the Fisher dog, and I got a lot of comments about how terrible I am for taking that dog fishing. You can't from going fishing, okay?

So when the storm comes, you see him pacing back and forth and running around, and he does that a lot. Okay But so he probably looking back he knew something was going on when the boat flipped he went and got up under the console and and he just hung out until we flipped the boat back over and then he Jumped in our arms and he got back in the boat. He was ready to go fishing the same day Oh, and what what's been the feedback like online from people who have seen the video?

So a lot of the feedback has been, in fact, I took the video down after a while because I got tired of hearing what an idiot that I was. And I would agree that that was a poor decision, but I told him, I said, you know, some people were excited to see that God spared us and delivered us. And others just wanted to talk about we were an idiot. And I've kind of used it to tell the story. This is what I believe.

OK, and you may want to hear this, you may not. I should have died that day. OK, it's not a good idea to go fishing in 160 mile an hour winds. Everything points to all the destruction in the area. I should have died. But I was in a storm that was my fault. That's what I tell people. Sometimes we face storms in life. Sometimes they're your fault, sometimes they're not. This was 100% my fault, but God still delivered me. So I've used this storm as an opportunity to tell people

that, hey, if you're in a storm of life, cry out to Jesus. He can deliver you even if it's your fault. And what's the status of the boat and all the gear that was in the boat? So the status of the boat and all the gear that was in the boat? So the status of the boat and all the gear was a total loss by the insurance company. But I am, and that's mainly because the value of the motor was, you can't replace the motor. It costs more than everything was worth. And since it went upside down and insurance companies not willing to mess with that. But I will tell you this.

I went fishing in it this weekend. Okay, good to know. We had this Texas storm with the blizzard and the cold weather and I tried to go. I couldn't get my boat out in the blizzard, but I weather. And I tried to go, I couldn't get my boat out in the blizzard, but I did go fishing in some of the local ponds in the blizzard. Now I tell people this, okay? I fished in a tornado and I fished in a blizzard

and the fish was a lot better before a tornado, but I don't recommend either one. Okay, good to know. Last question for you, Brian, and you are more qualified to answer this than anybody I know but is a bad day of fishing really better than a good day of work? And I haven't had very many bad days of fishing and I would... all's well that ends well. Okay, all right so uh so still the jury is still out And if a bad day of fishing is better than a good day of work all right. Well. Thank you for joining us Brian

We're glad you got out safe to tell us your story Brian. We're glad you're still here Thank you You guys ever been caught in any like insane I mean I felt like I have but once I saw this video is like no I've never been close to something like that before I mean not like that. I was in a sandstorm in Egypt, but that's about it. Oh, is that scary? Um, it wasn't that that that bad. But Yeah, you know outside during it. I was outside. It had to be like painful. Um, I

Was outside for a while until we got to our vehicle. It's just a new environment. It's not like I grew up in a desert. And so just to see how you can see it in movies and in shows. Until you're in something like that, you don't realize the various powers of Mother Nature and what was previously calm can suddenly seem a little bit chaotic. Was there a wall, like a wave of sand coming towards you like I've seen in photos? No, I don't know if scenes like that are more,

I'm sure that's actually real, and not just film, you know, special effects, but no, not like that. It was just very windy and sand is all around, so you can see the kind of how the wind funnels and how the wind spins up, because it's just kind of like in Brian's video, you see that with the water, you see that with the water you see that with vapor you can see that

bit with sand Yeah, it's just is a unique experience core you got anything that's have a rivaled with Brian experienced man I can relate to not being able to breathe in the wind I've hunted in some windy areas. Yeah, you know you at least looking towards the wind you can't see anything You can't breathe the you know basically just turn and look the other way to catch your breath and then least looking towards the wind, you can't see anything, you can't breathe. So you, you know, basically just turn and look the other way to catch your breath and then walk back into the wind. In April, 2011, I was in a suburb of St. Louis

when a EF4 went through St. Louis. I think it really messed up the Lambert Airport in St. Louis. It was actually the day I met my wife. Oh! So as a Montana kid, It's a Montana tourist day. we were watching a movie in the theater and all of a sudden they're like,

you gotta leave the theater. There's a tornado like 20 miles away. So you can't stay here. Where are they going to send you to at that point? Well, they all suggested going to the restroom, but my buddy and I went outside and I'm not a smoker, but I went and smoked a cigarette that day. Yeah. And then I went and met my wife later that day.

There you go. Yeah. It all worked out. Yep. Memorable day. Yeah, it all worked out. Yeah Hey American history buffs hunting history buffs listen up We're back at it with another volume of our meat eaters American history series in this edition titled the mountain men 1806 to 1840 we tackle the Rocky Mountain Beaver trade and dive into the lives and legends of fellows like Jim Bridger, Jed Smith, and John Coulter.

This small but legendary fraternity of backwoodsmen helped define an era when the West represented not just unmapped territory, but untapped opportunity for those willing to endure some heinous and at times violent conditions. We explain what started the mountain man era and what ended it. We tell you everything you'd ever wanna know about what the mountain men ate, how they hunted and trapped, what gear they carried,

what clothes they wore, how they interacted with Native Americans, how 10% of them died violent deaths, and even detailed descriptions of how they performed amputations on the fly. It's as dark and bloody and good as our previous volume about the white-tailed deer skin trade which is titled The Long Hunters, 1761-1775. So again, this new Mountain Man edition about the beaver skin trade is available for pre-order

now wherever audiobooks are sold. It's called Meat Eaters American History, The Mountain Men, 1806-1840 by me, Stephen Rinella. All right. Our next segment is a new segment. This is Meat Eaters Price is Right. Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana. Meat Eaters radio's most exciting 15 minutes. It's The Price is Right! Corinne Schneider, come on down! Yeah, she's here.

Cory Kalkins, come on down! Yeah, she's here. All right. Cory Calkins, come on down! All right. You're the first two contestants on Media to Radios. The price is right. Now here's your host, Spencer Newhart! Wow, what an intro. Just amazing. Phil was trying to downplay how well he would do that.

He said, I don't quite have it in me. Oh, that's nonsense. To do it like a professional, but I'll give it my best. And his best was damn good, Phil. Well done. Oh, thanks. Alright, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater universe, and you need

to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well because whoever has the closest answer is going to get a shout out. Phil is going to be watching for that. Alright, there are five products for today's show. Take it away, Phil. This is so good. way Phil.

Our first product is one night in the Governor's Suite of the Bass Pro Shops pyramid. This 2,000 square foot suite is the Shangri-La of Memphis, Tennessee. From the third floor balcony you'll be able to watch customers peruse the world's biggest Bass Pro Shops below. The room comes with a king bed, two queen beds, three bathrooms, two air tubs, three fireplaces and a fully stocked kitchen. But no worries if you don't feel like cooking, you're just a stone's throw from Uncle Buck's fish bowl and grill.

And Phil is now showing us some photos of the pyramid and that governor suite. I hope the guy who asked for honeymoon recommendations is watching again this week because buddy, I know just the place for you All right, Corinne and Cory now you need to guess the price of a one-night stay at the governor suite of the Bass Pro shops pyramid Man, they have their whiteboards in front of them They're gonna write down their answer and our chat is also participating in this again You need to come up with the price of the one night chat You I'm so proud of you, but a holy crap. I'm not gonna be able to

Yeah, so one night at the governor suite of the bass Pro Shops pyramid This is the nicest room that they offer again It has a king bed two queen queen beds, three bathrooms, two air tubs, three fireplaces, and a fully stocked kitchen. Three bathrooms made me change my answer. Three bathrooms. He's added an extra thousand dollars to 2,000 square feet. Wow. Uh huh. You could live here. Yeah. Okay. And again, you can't go over we're doing prices right both Yeah, if you both go over then you'll both be told to try again, okay Phil How's our chat doing is anybody?

Close answers, and I'm trusting our contestants in the room to not look at which comments. I'm marking Uh-huh, we're also trusting our live chat to not Google the correct answer because our last guest, he would tell you that God is watching right now and he will know if you cheat at the meat eater prices right. Do both of you have an answer for the price of one night in the governor suite of the Bass Pro Shops pyramid? Go ahead and reveal your answers.

We have Corinne saying $1,225 and Cory says $899. The correct answer is $1,539. Corinne was $300 off. She gets the first point. Now that is $1,499 for the room and $40 for the resort fee. And we have RM in the chat who guessed $1,500. Hell yeah, RM. He was only $39 off. Well done, RM. $1,500 for the best dang suite at the Bass Pro Shops pyramid. If I had like, you know, six people in on this thing, we'll make a trip to Memphis. Three couples will go to Memphis. We're going to stay in the Shangri-La of Memphis, Tennessee. That's totally worth it. All right, Phil, what is our next item? Well, Spencer, our next item on the docket is a Bison cheeseburger from

Ted's Montana Grill. I think some of us might know how much that is. Ted Turner owns 2 million acres of land, making him the third largest landowner in America. What's he do with all that property? Well, he raises bison of course, and after those buffalo have been slaughtered, some end up at Ted's Montana Grill, which has 38 locations from Atlanta to New York City to Bozeman, Montana. The Bison Cheeseburger comes with a slice of cheddar, lettuce, onion, tomato, and a side of fries. That's right, Phil.

And the Bozeman location has 3.4 stars on Yelp, which is the same as the Taco Bell on Main Street. All right, Corin and Cory, what's that Bison Cheeseburger cost? Wait, does it come with that coke and maybe a no The menu that's just their their dolled up photo on their website. It's very pretty It's got a little toothpick with an American flag. It's got looks like I don't know a root beer float or a chocolate milkshake A giant helping of fries and then a bottle of coke and you need to tell me Helping of fries and then a bottle of coke and you need to tell me what the price of that bison cheeseburger from Ted's Montana Grill is that ain't no smash burger

Phil you ever eaten at Ted's Montana Grill. I have several times I gotta say it's not one of my go-to places, but I don't think I've ever had a bad meal. Okay. How about you Cory? What's your review of Ted's Montana Grill? I've been there a couple times and yeah, you're a native, Montana So it must be like your favorite place. It has Montana in the name Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I guided Ted Turner fishing once. Oh, tell us about that. Oh, he's a great guy. Mm-hmm What kind of tip did he leave you? I definitely uh Well that one. I mean it's just kind of all part of the program It was it was it was a fat one about like that cheeseburger. Uh-huh. Yeah, good Corinne. You ever been to Ted's, Montana? Yeah, it's been a couple of years. I think I've been two or three times over the past few years. Maybe that

Bison burger went up in price 2025 again, we're looking at the price of a bison cheeseburger from Ted's Montana Grill It comes with a slice of cheddar lettuce onion tomato and a side of fries are both of you ready ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers Wow I'm not convinced there wasn't some cheating going on here, but we have Corinne saying $20 and 99 cents and Corey says $21. Incredible.

The thing is both of you are too high. So you're going to have to try again. Both of you will come up with a new answer. You know that it is less than $20.99. I didn't prep this sound, but if I had, I would have done the two about We don't even need the sound effect. Yeah is the sound effect. So again, both of our players were too high We know that the correct answer is less than $20 and 99 cents Are you ready with your new answers? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Corinne saying 1899 keeping it. And Cory says 19.50.

It's gotta be up in there. He doesn't have to go far to get his meat. The correct answer is $19. Corinne was a penny off. Well done, Corinne. She takes her second point. And Andrew Bryant was also a penny off. We had six or seven people guess $18.99.

No one guessed 19 on the dot though, as far as I can tell. Isaac Spencer, RM. RM, are you Googling this stuff? We should have known that Ted is a classy gentleman, and he wouldn't really be pricing things with 99 cents at the end of his menu. That's kind of a different marketing ploy. So a flat number is more confident.

It'd probably be an extra 99 cents if you wanted like an extra piece of cheese on there or something like that. Or a pickle. So Corinne has already taken two points. Corey, you've got some catching up to do again. Wow, well, I'm piss poor at trivia, so I might as well be good at some kind of game around here.

That Bison cheeseburger from Ted's Montana Grill cost $19. Phil, what's our next item? Well Spencer, our next item is ice fishing. Oh, nope. Yep, there we are. Ice fishing gear from Facebook Marketplace. Shane from Billing said he hates the cold so he's ready to give up this damn sport. Shane from Billing. His ice fishing lot includes a Cabela's collapsible hut, ice screws, two ice fishing poles, two rod holders, ice scoops and an ice shovel. Oh, let me start that music again. And a Cobra Strike Master gas powered ice auger

with an eight inch blade. Everything has been stored in a climate control garage and is like new, but it hasn't been used in eight years. And Shane's other Facebook marketplace listings include a 1976 Harley and a 2009 Kawasaki. He says he'll accept this dollar offer for the ice fishing gear or OBO, which is our best offer. So what does Shane want for this ice fishing equipment?

Is that Cabela's tent insulated like an Eskimo? It does not appear to be insulated. Again, the stuff that he's offering is a Cabela's collapsible hot ice screws, two ice fishing poles, which I couldn't see the brand on them, two rod holders, two ice scoops, and a shovel with a gas powered ice auger that has an 8-inch blade. I found this on Facebook marketplace yesterday and if someone is interested in all this gear, you just hop on the Billings Facebook Marketplace

and you'll find Shane's listing. Let's get a couple tip ups. What'd you say about the auger? What was wrong with it? Well, he said in his listing, it said the carburetor might need to be cleaned. Nothing, he didn't say anything was wrong with it. It's a gas powered ice auger with an eight inch blade

and everything has been stored in a climate controlled garage, which is a big deal. Phil is showing us photos of all of these products thus far. Oh, there we go. Uh-huh. He showed us some pictures of the Bass Pro Shops pyramid governor suite. Then he showed us a picture of Ted's Bison Cheeseburger, and now we're looking at Shane's listing from Facebook Marketplace of ice fishing gear. Are both of you ready? And he's hard up to get rid of it, it sounds like. He's listed multiple

things on Marketplace right now. He must be looking to clear out the garage a little. And he said that he's looking for this amount of money or best offer so think about that when you're coming up with your answer is everybody ready yep he's sick of the cold he's sick of the cold that's right I went to his Facebook profile to look at it afterwards and no he's from Billings no no no no baby so he was from some place else they said move to Bill. They said shame to it He got too cold. He wants him. He shared this on his profile Someone said Shane why you getting rid of that stuff and he said cuz I hate the cold. Hmm both

Are you ready? I mean Billings is usually warmer go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Corinne saying $559 and Cory says $250 The correct answer is $350 Takes that point well done Cory. It is two to one Going in to our fourth item. We had three people guess 350 we had Ben and Joey well done Max Ben and Joey got a dead knot still take 250 to get the hell out of that's right I think if you offered him 250 head over to Facebook marketplace on there

You search to billings and you can get Shane's ice fishing gear Phil. What's our next item up for bid? Sorry, I'm pressing a lot of buttons here. Oh, Spencer, our next item is a cattle ranch in northern Kansas. This 865-acre property is 700 acres of pasture, 160 acres of tillable land, and 5 acres of food plots. The ranch has deer, turkeys, pheasant, quail, squirrels, and rabbits, cattle not included, but it does come with two tower blinds and a 3,000-pound gravity you'll kill a big giant whitetail buck every fall. If Spencer wins the lottery, he'll tell meat-eaters, smell you later, and is going to go buy this property. But I don't play the lottery,

so you listeners are stuck with me. Now I found this listing through whitetail properties, and now you need to guess that price. Hmm or 850 acres in Kansas 865 acres and how that breaks down is it's 700 acres of pasture 160 acres of tillable and five acres of food plots plus it comes with a couple deer towers and a Gravity feeder Phil is showing you some photos of the property and that's a trail camp photo from that property on November 24th we've got a triple main beam bruiser Wow who is helping himself to some corn it looks like God, I'm so stuck in Montana land prices

865 acres in northern Kansas. I mean... See a lot of writing on these whiteboards. This is our fourth item. If Corinne were to get this right, she would win. This week's game of Price is Right. This is... Maybe I'm really low. Yeah, just keep it. Maybe Cory'm really low. Oh, yeah, just keep it Maybe Cory went really high and then you'll just win by default that buck keeps the price high though

Mm-hmm Phil showing us again some aerial photos of the property plus a trail cam photo of a big giant whitetail buck Are both of you ready? Yep, go ahead and reveal your answers. Wow, we have Cory saying $1 and Corinne says eight million dollars This is probably the largest spread I imagine we'll ever have without going over in a game of meteor prices, right? million dollar difference in their answers the correct answer is 2.4 million making Corey our winner of the fourth item that's $2,700 per acre which is actually kind of cheap dollars in northern Kansas that's okay Corinne 8 million I bet he would take

that offer if you said hey I'll give you eight million for this. I originally guessed 1.7. Sure you would too. 850 acres? That's a lot. Can you lease that out for a lot of money too? Yeah you could. Yeah northern Kansas that is that's premier Whitetail country. You'd have a line of customers if you said I want to lease this property out. All right it all comes down to our last item. Oh and Phil and Phil did we have anybody who got to we had Gus and then apologies to the person I just had on screen, but you all saw his name, so they got it right on the nose They got 2.4. Yeah, two people said 2.4. Well done Gus and the other guy from Kansas Yeah, the screen realtor is perhaps if they work for whitetail properties. They're the broker alright

It all comes down to this last item. Phil, tell us about the fifth thing for bid. Well, the last item on our docket today is a scoop of minnows from HR One Stop in Wabai, South Dakota. All right. This is so good. One scoop, eh? There it is.

This is so good. HR One Stop is a gas station with a hardware store attached, making it a pillar of the Wabai community, population 475. Their all-inclusive shopping experience offers fishing tackle, groceries, hot stuff, pizza, video lottery, liquor, and of course, bait. It's Spencer's favorite place to buy minnows and he's purchased thousands from them over the years. That's right and I called them yesterday and I asked them high school cashier what a scoop

of minnows is currently selling for. Now you need to guess that price we're gonna go to sense on this so if you think it's $9.99 you're gonna write down $9.99 for your answer again one scoop of minnows from the place that I have bought more bait from than anywhere else on the planet the HR one-stop in Wabai, South Dakota. And Phil is showing us a generic stock image of a scoop of minnows plus that actual gas station. All right, do you players have your answer and do we have two decimal places in your answer?

Yep. Okay, Cory, how do you feel about your answer? Not great, I've never bought minnows. Okay, Corrine, how do you feel about your answer? I don't know, I could be off a couple bucks. Cory, the rare fishing guide who's never purchased a scoop of minnows. Nope.

It all comes down to this. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Corinne saying $3.79 and Cory says $14.01. Is this embarrassing or am I embarrassingly low? Both of you are too high so you're going to come up with another answer. And then that's how we're going to declare a winner. I love your answer, a $14, Cory. Is it Arrested Development, Phil?

Where she's like, what is a banana cost? What could a banana cost, Michael, $10? That's the vibe I got from Cory's answer there. What does a banana cost? So Corrine's answer of $379. What does a banana cost? This is so fun. I mean, Magans are more than that. So, Corinne's answer of 379. Is that what you had? 379 was too high. Both of our players are going to come up with another answer.

And hopefully after this round, we can declare ourselves a winner. Yeah. Are the two of you ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Wow! We have Cory saying $1.88 and Corinne saying $1.89. Cory's gonna have to hope that he got it dead nuts to be the winner. It's hot in here. And he did not. The correct answer is $3.46 making Corinne our winner! Well earned Corinne. Your first answer you were only like 30 cents off.

So you were, you had it narrowed down. This is the most fun thing we should, um, this is so fun. Thank you, thank you. You can go claim your prizes from HR upstairs. They've actually got the scoop of minnows, a cattle ranch, um, I already got all the fishing gear from Shane, um, and then we'll have a voucher for your one night stay. And a new car! And a brand new car, that's right. Alright, thanks everybody for playing along and remember to help control the pet population.

Have your pets spayed and neutered. Alright Phil, let's take a break for some listener feedback. What's the chat? Once again, I feel like I always have some sort of disclaimer every time the listener feedback comes up. Hold on, who was closest on our last answer? Oh, we had Owen and Bradley both guess 325. I think that was the closest. There might have been one or another one who slipped in there, but Bradley and Owen said 325. We have a few questions. Let's do a legitimate one first. SadSquatch is asking, being brand new to an area,

what would you consider to be a better use of time? Scouting public lands or searching for private landowners willing to let you hunt? Thanks. I would say it depends on what you're hunting and where you're at, Sad Squatch. If you are looking to hunt whitetail deer and you live in the golden triangle of whitetails

in Illinois, you're gonna probably knock on a hundred doors and get told no a hundred times. That's just the reality of like looking to hunt a specific animal in a place that's known for it. But if maybe, you know, you're in Eastern Colorado and you're looking to hunt whitetails there or if you even, you know, lower your expectations to just small game or turkeys, you're gonna have a lot better odds of getting private land permission there.

So I would say it depends where you're at, how coveted is the thing that you're looking to hunt in that area and how much public land is there. The best answer I can give you, Sad Squatch, is do both of those things. The best hunters, they have a plan A, B, C, D, E, and to pull that off, It's probably going to be a mix of private and a mix of public Cory Corrine anything to add

Yeah, you were spot-on. I mean if you're targeting bull elk Yeah, knocking on doors isn't going to get you anywhere without ten thousand dollars, so scout hard There you go Phil anything else great Scout hard. There you go. Phil, anything else? Great. John is asking about your opinion about how close it is acceptable to set up next to someone while ice fishing.

He noticed a lot. He noticed a lot of tight clusters of people on flats chasing Lake trout. I would say it depends what, uh, what everyone else is doing. If there's like, you know, already 12 guys in the area. Um, I think you can be the 13th and Just don't be the dude who set up the closest out of all 13 of those guys But if there's only one ice fishing shack on this whole little lake or this stretch of lake You best not be within like you know 50 yards of them

Oh, I would say go explore keep your distance sure that drives me nuts, but I guess I'm not familiar with Lakes that are just you know overpopulated with anglers. Yeah, so that's a tough one. I guess if it's really crowded, but Corrine What would you do you'd be cool setting up next to those? Give others privacy and maintain privacy for myself a little bit of space So just you know for myself a little bit of space. So just, you know, show some decency and yeah, try to space out a bit. Phil, are we still on air? Looks like it froze.

Oh no, it might have just frozen for the monitor. But yes, we are very much on air. Okay, any other Chet? We've got a few more, but we'll hit them at the end and please keep submitting questions and we'll try to get them at the end of the show. Alright, our next segment is from Chester Floyd. This is Chedeket This week Chester is answering a listener's question about deer hunting a buddy spot on public land.

Take it away Chet. Hello everybody, my name is Chester Floyd and I'm coming at you from Wisconsin this week. This week's Chetiquette though comes to us from a guy who does not want to be named. He writes, I have an etiquette question. My friend and I have been deer hunting on a massive public land area in Ontario, Canada called Crownland for the past 13 years.

It's taken us years to find good hunting spots. Excuse me. I hunt there throughout the bow season, the gun season, and the black powder season that's in December. My friend on the other hand only comes up the gun season, and the black powder season that's in December. My friend, on the other hand, only comes up for the first three days of the gun hunt. He baits and typically shoots the first legal deer that shows up, which is fine by me. I have no problem with that.

Here's the dilemma though. For the past three years, my buddy has captured a monster buck on his camera right before the gun hunt. However, he always shoots the first deer that comes in, never giving himself a real chance at taking this big buck. So in my opinion, it's a miracle this buck has survived this long. So I asked my friend if I could bait, set up my camera, and hunt his spot for the upcoming muzzleloader hunt in December to try and bag this buck. His response was, I think I'm going to go buy a bow, which was essentially telling me no. Quite frankly, I was shocked by his answer, and now I'm unsure what to do. Everyone

I've talked to, including my wife, says that I should just go after this buck. So I'm considering hunting the spot without telling him. If I get the buck, I'll say it wandered into my area. He'd never know. Does this make me a bad person? Is this bad? Check it. I'll let you know. So it's a shared public land, a spot as we we know it If your buddy cannot see, think your friendship's meant to be Terminated at the thought of it, common sense is a lot of it Although I hate to sit bait, if it's legal then you're straight So come December season, hunting time, grab your muzzleloader, you'll be fine.

Climb a tree and shoot straight, and take your wife on a date. Alright, so I don't think that's bad etiquette if you go and hunt that spot. I also don't think it's bad of your buddy to shoot any deer he wants. He can do that. But I think it's pretty poor friendship, if you will, if he doesn't let you go and try and get after this big buck and kill him Because like if it were me, I'd be just as excited if my buddy shot this big buck It's a team thing here, you know, so Those are my thoughts

Wow, well done Chester. That was great. The the whistling bit is a new addition to Chedikate Guys have anything to add to this? Listeners dilemma. I mean I'm with Chester just serenaded me to sleep during that Most importantly take your wife on a date. Yeah during hunting season that'll that'll help every situation you're in All right, our next segment is let's talk about sex. Let's talk about sex is where Corinne enlightens us on animal kingdom mating. This week she's here to educate us on sea otters. Take it away Corinne.

Well, here we go. Oh, sets the mood Phil. What about the lighting? Oh, there it is. Oh, there we go. Now we're ready. Okay. Sea otter sex is aggressive, sometimes leads to death, and involves, here's a new word

for everyone, odoxylegnia. That is a new word. It is. Odoxalegnia, from the Greek words for with the teeth and lust, describes arousal through biting or being bitten. In this case, the special spot is the nose, so we'll call that fixation nasophilia. Sea otters, the largest member of the weasel family, breed throughout the year. Typically, multiple females live within a male's territory, and when a sexually mature female of about 3 to 15 years of age is receptive, the male will mate with her.

However, males are also known to force mating, regardless of whether a female is receptive. He approaches from behind, grabs her with his paws, and clamps down hard on her nose with his teeth. Just like Cory. Wow. Sometimes pulling her head underwater. The bite can result in deep cuts and torn away flesh. If her nose swells from infection and prevents her from eating,

she could starve to death. My friend and fellow meat eater colleague and Queen sea otter hunter, Heather Duville of the Tlingit tribe in southeast Alaska, has harvested hundreds of sea otters in her time. So she told me that some of the male sea otters she has harvested present with broken penis bones, likely from fighting or from mating. So take that. Like Spencer. You guys.

Heather's also documented male sea otters with large pink scars on their noses or half bitten off noses too. She told me that she once saw a pair wrestling in the water and she thinks they were trying to mate but were also fighting. And then she shot both of them. Oh.

When she brought them into the boat, she found that the male had tons of bruises and bite marks, whereas the female had none. So she thinks that females will kick male sea otter ass just the same. Go gals. Sea otter mating occurs year round, and females can enter the estrous period multiple times in a year.

Some female sea otters will pair bond with a male for a few days and mate a number of times during this period. Others will mate with a few different males during their estrous cycle. Copulation is aquatic and prolonged. The pair will spin underwater for up to 30 minutes until mating is finished and the male releases the female. As the affair tends to be quite vigorous, females can drown or die from the physical trauma. Shockingly, in some cases, males have been known to continue holding on to a female long after she's expired, meaning died.

Whoa. And Heather has also seen this behavior with her own eyes. Gestation lasts between four to nine months, and mom gives birth to a single pup, which she weens for about six months before it's on its own and pups can't dive underwater until they get their adult fur. And here's a fun fact about sea otter fur. By the way when Steve first heard this fact from Heather he just couldn't stop telling anyone and everyone as though he were the first person to know this.

So here goes, sea otter fur is the most dense of any mammal and there are more fur strands and hairs in a single square inch of their skin than there are on an entire German Shepherd dog. Incredible. So about 850,000 to 1 million hairs. And I am actually wearing a beautiful sea otter scarf. That is beautiful. And made by Heather. It is the warmest thing I've ever worn.

It's so soft. It's made from sea otters she's harvested on her own, tanned, stitched this together. And she's got a little online shop called Coastal Fur and Leather. And yeah, so from our sea otter queen right here. What occasion are you going to wear your sea otter scarf for besides media radio? Oh goodness. I wear this all the time just because it's comfortable. I'll wear it at home if I'm cold I'll wear it out. I mean it's I've never it's... At home that's luxury. Yeah absolutely. Thanks Heather love you. The most amazing thing I heard in there was they breed throughout the year. That

is incredibly rare in the animal kingdom. Most animals have like a two-week period where they are doing their mating. Maybe it happens twice a year, but to hear that sea otters were just continuous breeders, that's pretty amazing. I think it also depends, I have to read another note from Heather because she helped me with this, that there's also northern sea otters and southern sea otters. They give birth year round, she says, but the timing of births vary by location. So I wonder if that's impacted by, if mating tends to happen more during a certain period of time during the year, but it can happen. Yeah.

Most animals, they time their breeding around when they're going to drop their young to be most advantageous for their young to survive, right? So like a fawn popping out in late spring, that's the best time of the year for a fawn to be on the ground. What that would tell me about sea otters, if they just continuously breed,

they just kick ass in any environment. It doesn't matter if it's summer or winter. They just like got good odds of raising that pup. That's cool. Yeah. Thank you for Corinne for that. You bet. Moving on.

This is our last interview of the day. Joining us on the line next is butcher Anna Borgman. She's here to talk to us about how to be a good customer when taking meat to a processor. Anna, welcome to the show. Hi, how are you guys? We're doing good. Anna, you went to culinary school. Does everyone at culinary school learn how to butcher animals? I think so. I think it's sort of like a survey class in college, like a butchery 101, because every chef should know how to break down like, you know, a side of pork or a chicken or whatever. So yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone that goes to culinary school takes a butchery

class or some sort of meat cutting class at some point. Okay. And how many animals, how many animals in your life have you butchered? In the thousands for sure. Yeah, I was trying to do the math. I was like, we would do six to seven beef in a day or, you know, 15 to 20 lambs. And that would just be day after day after day. And that's years and years of doing that. So definitely in the thousands.

And then like when I started doing slaughter, I've skinned and gutted thousands of animals. So yeah, it's up there. And of those thousands of animals, wild and domestic, that you've butchered, which is the best and the worst to work with? The bigger the better, I think. So like I've got a bison that I have to finish cutting today and that's really fun. Smaller animals, you know, I like doing slaughter with lambs, and it's super easy to cut deer. But just the smaller they are, the harder it is to really get anything substantial off of that. And it's just it's kind of tedious. So you know, you're cutting like, backstrap steaks, and they're teeny,

teeny tiny. Whereas when you cut an elk or a bison or something, it looks like a steak. Yeah, I got some general butchery questions for you. And then we're going to talk about how to be a good customer at the processor. Vacuum seal or paper wrap? Paper wrap. I'd say paper wrap. I didn't use to think that. I used to think vac seal. But after working at a shop where we really only did vac seal, it kind of became more of a pain. It seems easy when you start doing it and then you go through your freezer and you've got a bunch of broken seals and a bunch of freezer burned meat. So I like the paper wrap. The only downside is that you can't see what's in there. I try to be really specific about labeling, like exactly how

many steaks are in there or whatever it is. So it's no guessing, but paper wrap, I think just holds up better in the freezer. Okay. Good to know that's going to change what I do at home. Can you tell when a buck or a bull has been rutting? You know, kind of, but it seems pretty rare to me. And I feel like from what I've heard from people I should notice it more But really if anything it just smells maybe a little bit more like an animal, you know But um, I have found that hanging stuff We have a cooler which is really fun because we get to hang stuff instead of just cutting it immediately and kind of see how

That changes the meat quality and the taste of stuff to see how that changes the meat quality and the taste of stuff. And I think if you notice anything in a ruddy buck or bowl, if you can hang it for a couple days, that seems to mellow it out a little bit. But I don't ever notice anything too crazy. Can you explain what a dark cutter is? And have you ever seen a dark cutter in big game? I tend to think that game is going to be a dark cutter already. It's going to lean that way because it's already in a pretty high stress environment, whereas like a beef has a pretty chill life for the most part, right? And the only time it might be really stressed out is potentially right before slaughter. Hopefully not, but that can happen. And basically a dark cutter is just, it happens with lactic acid production right before the

animal dies. And so that can mean either right when it's killed or right before it, if it's running or it gets hit and it ends up running right before it dies, the lactic acid will use itself up really fast. And so then when it's dead, there isn't enough lactic acid will use itself up really fast. And so then when it's dead, there isn't enough lactic acid to actually break the meat down the way you'd want it to. And that's how you'll end up with a dark cutter. But I think with game, they're pretty active and high stress or at least high strung anyway.

So it's pretty rare that I notice anything like really, really obvious. I like that perspective. That's a good way to think about dealing with antelope and elk and deer. What are some strange things that you've recovered in an animal's meat or organs? Um, I've seen some, I did a, an elk that was real mangy and the lymph nodes should be about the size of like a dime or a quarter. and these things were about the size of my Hand like they were huge Yeah, and it I mean the meat was fine It was you know a little bit tough, but I think it ate fine

It was really we did it into burger just to be sure but I also if you look at Steve's Instagram I texted him a picture of a thing I found in I think it was like the front shoulder of a deer that we were cutting for someone and it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen it was this little Tumor cyst looking thing that had a bunch of little like yellow balls in it. It was bizarre and I know I was trying to remember today what he decided it was I know he texted it to some people like Hufflefinger and whatnot, but it ended up, we think it's like a keratin cyst sort of. So it looked like it had hair in it. And yeah, it was weird. It didn't smell like anything. I smelled it right when I found it,

because I've seen plenty of cysts and abscesses and everything, and I'd never seen anything like that. So it seems like it was pretty harmless, but it was a weird thing to pull out of that meat for sure. Hey Anna, Corinne here. I look forward to meeting you in person one day soon. It'll happen. It'll happen. Just wondering about whether anyone asks for a different kind of cut, like different kinds of cuts, if they're angling to make like Eastern cuisine because I was talking to my friend a local chef in town Linda Huang Who has hummingbirds kitchen here and she was explaining to me how? Chinese butchers will cut pork belly kind of from the top of the back

Down to the belly and whereas here she's run into a lot of people who will butcher kind of from the head end of the animal to the tail end of the animal. Just wondering if there's, if you do things differently, if you understand, you know, what's behind that. I have no idea. I think that's something that's really interesting to me that I don't know a ton about and I love to learn more about it. But I think of butchering as, especially in different areas of the world, it basically, you butcher the way you're going to end up cooking something,

right? So it's like, if you follow the cuisine, you can kind of trace backwards to how they cut the animal. So it's like, you know, they're not in Japan or China or anywhere, Thailand, whatever. It's like, they're not necessarily eating porterhouse steaks. That's a pretty American or British, you know, cut of meat. And I try to, I try to explain this to people when I'm teaching butchery because people don't want to mess up their animal. But unless you're mistreating the meat and it's spoiling or it's dirty, there's really no way to totally screw it up. You're going to end up with something that you can cook in some way. And maybe that is more of an Asian-inspired dish for South American or African or something. But yeah that's really really interesting to me and I'd like to learn

more about that because it just it gives you more freedom in terms of butchering. But it's definitely the butchering practices are driven by the cuisine of the area. Totally makes sense. Thanks. Anna, every hunter is terrified that when they take meat to a processor it's just gonna get thrown into a big pile and they're not actually going to get their own deer back. Is that a justified fear? Um, to an extent, I don't want to throw any other processes under the bus and I don't I don't know, you know, I've only been to a few of them to see what they do. But um, of them to see what they do. But basically, logistically, I think as far as grind goes, that would be the place where you might not get your specific meat back because a lot of places are using grinders that are 50 pound grinders. And so to utilize that grinder and their huge

industrial stuffer, they need a lot of meat in there and you're not necessarily going to get 50 pounds of grind off your deer, right? So it only makes sense for them to put a few animals in there. As far as like steaks and other cuts, I would assume that you're getting it back. That's not hard to do. People are just even in a high production facility, they're going through animal by animal and I would assume that just like we did at the shop that I first worked at, you put it in a log, it's labeled with a name, and it goes straight back to the person. I mean, really, I think the

only reason that people potentially don't get stuff back is really just a matter of necessity for grinding at scale. But we have really small equipment. So ours is like, our batch is the smallest we'll do is like 15 pounds. And we can do really specific small batch stuff for flavors like sausages and whatnot. But yeah, I can see how people, you just got to get it all done and you have a huge grinder and you can't put 10 pounds of meat in there. So, okay, we want to know how we can be a better customer when we bring meat to a processor to the butcher. But first, tell us what are some things that bad customers do? I'd say my least favorite thing is people who don't have a plan for what they're gonna do with their animal. And I mean, like we get calls all the time, day of, and like I just shot, you know, whatever and that's fine.

I'm totally fine with that. It's when it's been four or five days, especially during like archery season, and I get calls from people and they're like, I have this antelope doe, you know, it's in the back of my truck and it's been 90 degrees for five days. And I'm like, I'm tempted to say no, but I also don't want that animal to go to waste. But man, that stuff is, it's frustrating.

Cause yeah, it's just, you're not gonna get the highest quality meat and it's a bummer. But besides that dirty animals, um, you know, tendons cut on the back legs. That kind of drives me nuts. Just for my ease of butchering, it's nice when I can hang it on a hook and cut it off of there or off the rail instead of having to do it on a table. Um, and then my biggest pet peeve I'd say is like teeny tiny little

scraps of meat in game bags. So I'll dump out the game bag and it's just like a disaster of like quarter and golf ball sized pieces of meat that are also covered in dirt. And there's really not a lot I can do with that. And you know, you got to see it's it's pretty you're like, why would you put that in a game bag? But I don't know, I get you know, you want to get it all out of there. But you know, think about yourself too, even if you're the one good that's gonna cut it

Think ahead a little bit and think am I gonna be able to do anything with this you know or should I just? You can keep it and to give it to your dogs. I guess but yeah the easier we can make your job the better product We're gonna get back each time. I imagine all right. What are some things that good customers do Good customers keep things clean and And you know, I know stuff happens and you drop it or there's just there's only so much you can do. And I'm, I'm very aware of that. But I've seen some crazy stuff. So keeping things as clean as you can, cutting off those back legs, if you're going to put it in a game bag, get those back legs off. There is a joint in there. I know it's kind of hard to find sometimes, but just so you're not shoving a hoof with hide on it in a game bag with meat that you tried to keep clean

because that kind of defeats the point sometimes. And I'd say just having a plan, you know, like either reaching out to someone ahead of time, whether it's me or someone else that's going to process it for you or just having a plan for how to deal with it because you know by the time that animal is dead, you only have so much time to to deal with it and to be respectful to the animal and to get a bunch of really good meat for your family. All good notes. All right Anna, tell us about your new endeavor, Chaos Farms. Chaos Farms, well it started as a joke on my first date with my boyfriend. We went to the Hoffrow and had a couple cold smokes and came up to Chaos Farms and now it's a thing.

So we have, we've got goats, weed eating goats. They're so cute. I love these boys. We're going to rent them out for weed control. That's kind of why we got them to see if they would eat the invasive weeds around here. Yeah. And they do a great job. So hopefully get more of those and kind of do some fire suppression work around here.

And then we've got a ton of chickens. We sell eggs and then we're doing game processing and mobile slaughter. And eventually we're going to have a shop built so we can do, uh, custom exempt processing also for livestock. So. It's a great name and a great logo. And I took my elk to Anna this year and she did a phenomenal job. I'm thrilled with what I got back. And in fact, we ate some steaks last night. All right, Anna. Well,

thank you for making us better customers at the butcher and thank you for joining us. Thanks, Anna. Thanks for having me. Bye, guys. All right, that brings us to the end of this week's show. Phil, let's get some final listener feedback. Yeah, a quick comment. We had a comment from someone during the sex segment saying, my best friend's wife is a world-class marine biologist. She wrote an Oprah book club listed book called Sex in the Sea, Our Intimate Connection with Kinky Crustaceans, Sex Changing Fish, Romantic Lobsters, and other salty erotica of the deep. Wow.

That is a fantastic title. Okay, there it is. So in case you guys want some more of what Corinne dished out today. Sex in the Sea, a very fitting cover for that book. Thank you for that bit of info. Yeah Frederick says we need to start having more talks about what the crew has cooked recently We haven't done a meteor menu in a while But I thought the Q&A would be a good time this if you guys want to share anything fun or interesting Corey what you've been cooking lately

Man right now. I'm solo dadding so it's burgers tacos Uh-huh and a couple frozen pizzas here and there. But yeah, I mean, just the classics. Last night we had a mule deer tacos, night before elk burgers. So I haven't really tested my culinary expertise in a while, which is sad. But I'm going to have to break out some fine cuts. I've got a lot of my spring black bear that I killed last year that I still need to eat

before this spring season starts. So I'm excited for that. Karin, anything exciting coming out of your kitchen? I am actually fixing to make today for dinner elk shank, which I actually have off the bone, and pork belly. I was gonna do like a Chinese five spice braise in a pressure cooker for a while.

So it's soy sauce, sweet soy sauce, five spice, and some sugar and yeah, over rice. Okay. Yep. Last night I made a chorizo veggie soup. I was very excited about that recipe. Tomorrow night I'm making a Cajun pasta that's using some venison sausage. And then Saturday, I'm making asabuco. Oh yeah. With your elk leg?

With my elk shanks that Anna was cut up for me. That's gonna be great. So very exciting. I love how you plan daily. Well, I wanna make like one grocery run a week. Yeah, I wanna make one grocery run a week. And to do that. I need to think about what I'm cooking each night Got it. So I usually set out. Okay. These are the seven things that we're eating this week Did Anna cut the shanks into discs? She did. Oh, yeah, it's super convenient. Yeah. Oh, that'll be great though. What else you got?

Let's see, what does the crew do? John asking about fishing on causeways that cross state borders. Have you guys ever run into this before? Causeway? What's a causeway? Is that like a bridge? No, I think it's a... I don't know what a causeway is, John. I'm sorry, I'm not of a lot of help there.

Is a track, road, or railway on the upper point of here just take take a pic okay that picture. Oh yeah it's like it's like sort of a levy sort of thing. What do we do about fishing one that crosses state borders? I think the most important thing John is just knowing the regulations. A lot of states will have some sort of agreement about like you can fish on this part of this stream despite it like maybe crossing into this other state. So what do we do about fishing the causeways? I just think know your regulations and make sure you're legal and if you need to have a specific license for a specific state make sure you got that because game wardens know those sort of gray

areas where people may be breaking a law. Not that they're out there like trying to trap you, but you'll see more folks in those areas get tickets than other sorts of spots. Yeah. Certainly know where you are. Onyx, whatever. Yes. I found myself fishing into Canada on accident.

I didn't think about it. International traveler. Yeah. Yeah. I fished my way up this creek and then realized I'm probably in Canada yeah fish back looked at a map turned out yeah I was like half a mile up in there. Lucky the board of patrol, our friends at the board of patrol didn't. They call him green pants up there something like that you're lucky the green pants didn't come on you down. Oh no it's cool now. Phil what else you got? I'll do

one more what is the crews favorite content to film? I guess this would mostly be a Spencer and inquiry question, but Corinne you've been on a few shoots I maybe you could tell over what I've made the last few years, but a lot of games I love me to trivia and love the meatball thing the price is right thing. That was new today. I just love creating Games like that. I hope that for our listeners or viewers that I'm doing something that's interesting to you as well as informative. So I just want to be entertaining and hope that you learn something along the way. That's my favorite content.

Yeah, I mean, I've been on a few episodes with Steve and I don't know just the rawness and the realness of being out in the woods filming a hunt that we do The way we do it. It's good. It's a big team effort obviously But and it's always amazing how it turns out in the end. So our hats off to our post-production team Before and after putting it out there for everybody to watch. It's a lot of fun to be a part of. Corinne What are your favorite podcasts to record? I mean, I think I have the most fun when we go out into the field and we try to see what we can film outside.

We've done a couple of outside outdoor podcast episodes. So that's been the most fun, you know, in an environment you don't really control so you're not inside because most of the time we are inside in an environment we can control. So it's fun for me to do something a little different every now and then. Phil, anything else? I have a Sharpies asking, Phil, can you cook? The answer is sort of, kind of. I mean, honestly, like in meat eater trivia, I know most of the cooking questions, like even some that like Brody and Giannis and Steve just can't think of. You worked in a kitchen. I did. Yeah. I've waited tables. I've worked in a kitchen. And, and you know, I try to, I try to pull my weight around the house. So I make, I make dinner

every, every, every now and then. Um, uh, but you know, I don't want to juice myself up too much in case I actually do play trivia someday. And I just tank on the cooking questions. So, uh, the answer officially is not really. Good answer. Thanks. Yeah. I think that'll do it, Spencer. All right.

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