The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 675: MeatEater Radio Live! The Goosinator, Vintage Guns, and Movie Taxidermy

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Randall Williams, and Cory Calkins get the lowdown on "The Goosinator," put One-Minute Fishing champ Pat Durkin back in the hot boat, play another game of MeatEater Radio's The Price is Right, and catch up with Joel Kolander of Rock Island Auction about a bevy of beautiful rifles. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey American history buffs, hunting history buffs, listen up, we're back at it with another volume of our Meat Eaters American History series. In this edition titled The Mountain Men, 1806-1840, we tackle the Rocky Mountain beaver trade and dive into the lives and legends of fellows like Jim Bridger, Jed Smith, and John Coulter. This small but legendary fraternity of backwoodsmen helped define an era when the West represented not just unmapped territory, but untapped opportunity for those willing to endure some heinous and at times violent conditions. We explain what started the Mountain Man era and what ended it.

We tell you everything you'd ever want to know about what the mountain men ate, how they hunted and trapped, what gear they carried, what clothes they wore, how they interacted with Native Americans, how 10% of them died violent deaths, and even detailed descriptions of how they performed amputations on the fly. It's as dark and bloody and good as our previous volume about the white-tailed deer skin trade which is titled The Long Hunters 1761-1775. So again, you can buy this wherever audiobooks are sold. Meat Eaters American History The Mountain Men 1806-1840 by Stephen Rinella. Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11am Mountain Time.

That's 10am for our friends in Depot Bay, Oregon on Thursday, March 13th. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host Spencer Neuharth joined today by Corey Calkins and Randall Williams. On today's show we'll talk to Aaron McElwraith about how an Alberta City hazes geese. Then we'll do one minute fishing with American hero Pat Durkin. After that we'll play the prices right and finally we'll talk to Joel Collinder about some rare guns from the Rock Island auction. Randall I was jealous last week that you came up with a new bit of shouting out a time zone.

What'd you do last week? Hungry? Hungry, our friend Mogor. So I was inspired by that. Plus my favorite radio station growing up as a kid, kicking country, would have the South Dakota town of the day. So now I wanna shout out little towns or places

that I really like and yeah, just give them a little nod. Today, Depot Bay, Oregon. I've been there twice. It's the whale watching capital of Oregon. And, uh, the one time I saw some whales right from their dang main street. Real fun. Fascinating.

Phil, do you ever, you're like from that part of the world? Yeah. You know, my family used to go to Depot Bay every summer and we would stay at the surf rider in just north of Depot Bay. The most violently ill I've ever been was on a whale watching tour that that went out of Depot Bay also fun fact and to kill not to kill a mockingbird what's the my side of the mountain no the the mental institution oh I'm getting my birds mixed up I thought you're talking about coming of age stories when they go out

on a boat on the ocean that was shot in Depot Bay. Oh, yeah world's smallest Navigable harbor. I think they I think so in themselves out. It is shout out Depot Bay I love your little town you got there Cory read what you boys been up to lately. Oh man, not much Well, you know, I don't want to I don't want to insert myself here, but it's been a good week for Randall. Yeah, now we can acknowledge. There's an elephant in the room here. 2024 Meat Eater Trivia Champion.

And I see the support in the chat. I love it. We're we'll be working on that random shirt. It might be like a 20, 28, 29 project. Dylan's asking for some clarification. Is it randomals with an I or randomals with an a and I've got a second point of clarification Is it Randall moles? That's a little cut. That's kind of a mouthful, but to me it makes more sense. I don't know visioned Random moles with an I like rain like that rand animals. It should have been the random animals. Okay next time you win

Cory what you've been up to lately besides, you know know patent Randall on the back over here for winning well Yeah, congrats, buddy Well deserved you know we just wrapped up a couple of days with Taylor and will from bussin with the boys okay, I've ever heard of them. Yeah, I've seen those tall fellers. Yeah Well, it's not that tall is he I mean taller than tall the regular folks in the meteor office. Yeah, okay Yeah, I guess it's just that he hangs out. How tall are you man? I call myself six two, but posture wise probably five eleven okay hunched But when you say you're 250 pounds five eleven it gives off a very different impression, so I go with six two

Yeah, so you showing those boys around Montana while they're here well a little bit Yeah, we had him out at the gun range getting prepped and ready for a coyote hunt They went out with Steve was that yesterday morning? Okay. It was quite a whirlwind while they were here Oh, here's some good shots and they went coyote hunting and beaver trapping mmm with Steve yesterday Very successful on the beavers. They killed a pile of muskrats as well while they were out there I can smell it in the office. Yes Yes. As soon as I walked in. I tried spraying the Poo-per-ree scent helper in here. It didn't really do it. But yeah, there's a good photo of Cal there showing them the works on some SIG rifles. There's Steve

Fleshen, a beaver, looks like. But yeah, showed those guys a great time. They got to get their hands dirty Didn't kill any coyotes. I heard shots were fired, but no dogs were harmed in the making of this Fun time we had but Steve will be on their podcast next week. So Listen for that and then there'll be some fun video content following that not sure when but in the near future So keep an eye out for that if you want more content content with Steve and MeatEater, the Boston Channel is going to have that soon. Yep. All right. Let's go to our first interview. Joining us on the line now are two employees from the city of Lethbridge, Alberta, who have a unique way of keeping geese off their lakes.

Erin and Nelson, welcome to the show. Hi, thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. First thing, tell us where Yeah thanks for having us. First thing tell us where you're standing right now. Okay we were at the beautiful Henderson Lake. It's one of our premier parks in Lethbridge. It's one of my favorites because I've had the opportunity to work here for many years. It has walking paths throughout the whole park and a beautiful body of water. Historically there's been a dance hall

and basically it's a hub of activity, winter and summer in Lethbridge. All right, now tell us about the goose problem that your city parks have. Okay, so we have some resident geese that have decided they love living in Lethbridge and they don't wanna fly south like the rest of their friends do. So the goose problems are basically we want to make sure that we

keep our waterfowl safe and so we'd like them to keep moving on. We want to keep people safe who use the parks. There can be human-goose conflict as well as with people's pets so we don't want that to happen. We also want to make sure that we reduce the fecal matter in the park. So one goose can poop up to two pounds in a day. That's a lot of poop. My goodness. And we have kids in the park and lots of activities. So we want to try to keep our pathways clean and free of that poop. And then just making sure that we protect our assets and our turks, so when geese feed,

they can pull the roots of the grass out and that can cause long-term damage to the turks. So yeah, it's a multifaceted issue. And in the past, what did you guys try to keep these geese off your lakes and parks? Well, at one point in time, we had employees go out with a dog, they went out to try to deter the geese from being in the park, but then it would just make

the geese go onto the lake and we couldn't do anything about that. We've done some egg management with a damaged danger permit which is a federal permit. And we really like we've communicated a lot with the federal government under the Juice Management Plan and just trying to make really good decisions about how to manage the population. But it's really tough because basically they have a really perfect environment to live here. It's safe. There's really no predators here and there's water, there's an island, so it's really tough to manage the heat here.

And that brings us to why we're talking to you today. Tell us about how you decided to try to solve that problem this year. Well, I've wanted the Goosinator for a really long time. I kind of was researching best management practices and this came up as a hazing device. So just trying to make the area less popular for the geese. And when I saw this working, I was just amazed by the fact that it could work on the grass, on ice, as well as in the water. So when we got the go ahead to purchase it,

we decided that we should get Nelson, who's now in charge of the goose management program to get it operating. And I kind of missed my chance to be the operator by a year or two. Yeah, so we are looking at photos right now of what is called the Goosinator. It is a large, bright orange styrofoam,

like an RC car looking thing with a couple of tracks underneath it and it's got big eyes and big mean teeth on it. That's terrifying. That's what they're telling us about is the Goosinator. How much did the Goosinator cost? It was around $4,000. Okay, $4,000. All right I want to talk to Nelson for a bit. Nelson is the one who operates the Goosinator.

Nelson, what's it like to drive that thing? It's fairly easy. I got the remote right here. It's just like any normal trigger operated remote control. It slides a lot better on the ice and the water than it is on land. It actually has some reels that you can attach to it while you're using it on land, but primarily we've been using it on the water and the ice. Okay. And what's your strategy for scaring away the geese with the Goosinator? Do you

drive it like right into the flock? No, actually that's part of like learning how to use it and especially a lot of communication from the manufacturer and the designer about how to use it properly. It's meant to look like a predator. So you're supposed to operate it like stalking the geese really slow movements and you're basically trying to herd them out. The more that fly away at once, the better of them not coming back. And how did the geese... Repetitive usage of it is key too. So using it all the time to the point where they recognize

the truck and it coming out of the truck, they start getting a little frantic when I show up. Okay. So the reaction the geese have, they just want to leave when they see that thing. Okay, so the reaction the geese have, they just want to leave when they see that thing. Yes, it's meant to look like a predator and act as a predator. It's meant to make them feel like the area is unsafe. And how do people react to seeing you use the Goosinator? Like have the cops been called on you yet? No, at first, like we I think we did a good job with preparing the public of its use, especially with, like Aaron said, communication with the federal government. It's in our goose management program even before we had bought it.

We had started talking about using one and just being prepared for the feedback that we're going to get on it really helped out. And while I've been using it, there's a lot of people that come here to look at the birds and stuff like that. So they're quite knowledgeable about why we're using it and just being able to talk to them about it has helped out immensely. And for the most part the feedback's been pretty good, like very positive, a lot more than I anticipated actually. But yeah, we haven't really had any complaints from local cops. The federal permitting officer did get some emails and calls, but he already knew about us using it

because we've gone through the proper previous imbalance. Big question then, can we see the Goosinator in action? Yeah, you can. I got it right behind me on the truck here. I'll plug the battery in. Obviously there's no bikes here anymore but there is an island behind me that they tend to nest at. So I'll just cruise by the island and that's what we'll be using it for in the spring until they actually start nesting with eggs and molting and stuff like that then we can't use it,

we'll pull the usage of it. Okay. But we'll be using it to try and keep them from nesting on this island. Perfect, let's see that thing in action. Now Nelson has kept it hidden in the back of his truck because he said usually like seeing his pickup is enough but seeing the goosinator especially Will get the geese to start to lift off. He is grabbing the giant RC boat That thing is is quite enormous and he is now taking it to the water. We could hear the geese the entire interview So I'm optimistic that Nelson's gonna put on a show for us here. Yeah, look at that thing

That's straight-up nightmare fuel if you were a good. Yes. It's running. It's got a prop on the front. Yeah. Understandably, you were... Oh, wow. Okay, here he goes. And the geese are leaving. They're already over. Look at the ones in the background flying. Yeah, so you can see this happening on our YouTube channel.

Wow. The geese have taken off at this point. Nelson's only got the goose nader about 20 yards from shore Smooth operator we've got here. That's unbelievable need some jaws theme music going there. They go We got a couple from the island itself thing off the cool thing about the goose nader is it can drive on ice land and water this thing is Like even more amphibious than amphibian vehicles because it can also go on the ice.

It's got a couple stragglers there. Uh huh. Oh, I love this couple stubborn geese. And the person who makes the goose nader that it looks like now a lot of cities and golf courses use, they wanted this thing to look very offensive. So they might have made it bright orange. Cameraman, can we punch in on the goose nader a little bit is that is that an option for us?

We'd love to see these geese. I don't know. I'm going to speak for him. I don't know if you can pinch zoom on the stream yard app here. If not, that's okay. All right. It's still thrilling even at this distance that you can see that goose nader from a long ways away. Oh, it's picking up speed. Yeah. Oh It's got some Yeah, here it comes. This is the goose's perspective here as it circles in Nelson tell us a little more about what the geese are doing right now We can't quite see too far off in the distance as to what's happening

So basically everything on this side of it, all the geese have left the island. Like even the sound of the gooseinator, like we can't, we hear a different pitch than the geese actually do. And the sound of the gooseinator itself is actually very terrifying to them. Like you see different colors. They actually see more colors than us too. And the whole design of it is meant their characteristics. the that use the color orange and the reflective color itself. These are all things that the geese don't like to see. Yeah, that's enough to scare me off too.

Can we see that thing at top speed, Nelson? Can you ramp it up for us? Give her a rip. Yeah, I'll go out and then I'll bring it back. Okay. It's like, the whole, yeah. Woo! Oh my goodness!

It's rooster tailing very impressive Oh, yeah, wow what a beast Yes, you are not welcome in the city of Lethbridge All right, that was that was a real treat Aaron and Nelson Thanks for joining us and good luck with the Goose Hazing program. We're cheering for you guys. Thank you. Awesome.

Thanks for having us. Thank you. Fun little fact about Randall, which makes me a real advocate for their cause. When I was too young to even remember this incident, I was at, I believe at the National Zoo in Washington, DC and I've been told and a Canadian goose bit me on the foot and broke my toe. Broke your toe? You think the goose broke your toe?

Or did you two- Little baby toes, Spencer. Like I said, they're tiny. That's what I'm told. By who? My parents. Uh-huh. It's a it maybe explains some of my idiosyncrasies around birds. Uh-huh. If I if I get into the dark recesses of my mind, they needed a goose-inator

I know I know so I appreciate they're trying to avoid goose public conflict. Mm-hmm All right moving on our next segment is One Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk? Go ahead, make my cast. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group.

This week, our angler is American legend and one-minute fishing legend Pat Durkin in Wisconsin, and he's fishing for a donation to the Clearwater chapter of Trout Unlimited. Pat, welcome to the show. Hey Spencer, thanks for having me on. Pat was very motivated to make this work for us today. He was scouting some fishing spots earlier this week. And if the weather had been a little colder, he'd be standing on ice right now, but instead it's warmed up and he's sitting in a boat.

It's like some geese. Pat, tell us about the boat that you're in, Pat. This is my, it's a 14 foot, 3 inch cedar strip rowboat I built. I lost it 19 years ago in June. It took me about two and a half years to build and it's been my pride and joy ever since. And as I've written about in my newspaper, Kyle Spencer, I always advise young men, if you want to meet women, this is what they need. Is a boat? A rowboat. A cedar strip rowboat.

Not just any boat, you got to have a cedar stripper. Because I pulled this boat into a gas station, into a fast food restaurant, whatever it is, and women always walk over and talk to me. It's just really a chick magnet. Okay, what about men? Do they show interest in the boat as well? Say you're a female seeking male companionship. Would it do the same thing?

That's a great question. The distinction I've noticed is that it primarily attracts old guys. Okay. Yeah. So my wife likes it because when I leave her at the pier to hold on the boat while I go get the truck all the old guys come over and they gives them the pretense of talking to her. But it's not it's really a I built it for musky roach rolling and then I found that I'm not really much much a musky

fisherman because you know the guilt trip you if you eat one so I pretty much turned into a pan fishing machine. Okay cool now this is the maiden voyage of your boat in 2025 correct? Correct, correct yeah I this is first time on the water this year. Okay and how's the fishing been today so far? It's first time on the water this year. Okay, and how's the fishing been today so far? It's been pretty lousy. I'm blaming Mother Nature because, like you said in the intro, I wanted to be up on Lake Altoona, which is north of me a little ways, where the perch were biting just on Sunday for me. And I was all gassed up about keeping my string intact for two straight appearances on one minute fishing

and catching a fish. And then it's gotten so warm since then, I didn't want to hazard, take the risk of going out there and punching through and dying prematurely, you know? So I'm out here in the river. Pat, this is like Major League Baseball. If you're batting 500, you're ahead of the game. So don't worry about that.

Those are Hall the same numbers. Thank you, Randall. Yes, sir. All right, Pat. So what are we fishing for today? Okay, well, the goal was to come out here. I'm a little bit early for the river, but you see this is a good section of river I'm on

for perch. When they start spawning and usually mid to late March, they'll be pretty thick in this river, the Chippewa River that I'm on. And also you'll catch walleyes in here and some guys, it's really a good fishery for smallmouth bass. But I primarily come here for perch and walleyes.

So I'm trying it and I have some guys down the river for me a little ways, they pulled a couple of fish in but I can't quite figure out what they're fishing for. And it looks like you're jigging this afternoon, correct? I've got one line, this is Wisconsin, so everyone who's gonna play the game warden on me, you can use three lines in Wisconsin. So I got one out with a crappie minnow, birch minnow on.

I got one with a bigger walleye shiner on. And I'm casting a little crankbait, a little Rapala. So that's what I figured I'd use for my one minute attempt here. Okay, everything but the kitchen sink Pat is using today. All right, Pat, your one minute of fishing starts as soon as you make that first cast.

All right, here we go. Get him em Pat. I'm casting out into the stronger current and bringing it back along the low, where it's a little more protected water. Okay. And this particular X-Rap I think it is, I give it a little twitch right now and then. And I've caught everything from Big crappies to big perch on but mainly walleyes

Well, you are 25 seconds into your one minute Is this the same rod that you used in Idaho to be the first successful angler of one minute fishing? Right it is. That's why that's why it's in my hand right now. Okay, you got 20 seconds to go Okay, got some good mojo with that rod All this suspense is killing me I know we had a great video with Pat right before he started he cast and now it's a little little spot Five seconds Pat, okay crank it Well, they did not happen today for Pat. But you know what they say,

Pat, a bad day efficient is better than a good day of being a freelance writer in Wisconsin, isn't that right? Well, that's my purpose. So I heard this morning, Spencer, that, you know, I'm almost seven, I'll be 70 years old in January and I heard this morning that um Andy Rooney you know the great um 60 minutes commentator and journalist he lived into his um late 80s really 90s and he um he lost his job and a week later he died so he lost his basically lost his purpose and he was gone I I figured I better keep working a while Yeah, don't quit right keep those fingers spry Pat Right a beautiful boat though that he's sitting in. I think we'll see that boat again on one minute fishing

Thanks for joining us Pat. Have a good day Pat. Thank you. Take care Pat Yes, it sounded like he needed that goose senator back there, you know, you don't like waterfowl over the top of them Yeah, let's move into day boys boys we have our third guest coming up later he's gonna talk to us about some rare guns from the Rock Island auction if we hear geese in his background we really got problems at that point weird hallelujah turkey season is upon us having the right gear can make all the difference first lights new tree tree line turkey vest is designed to meet the needs of serious hunters who value versatility. This new vest offers the perfect balance between lightweight

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Questions from Brady he asks was trivia was the trivia tournament actually filmed in multiple segments or in one sitting? So the trivia tournament it was three episodes We filmed two of those episodes in one day back-to-back So we knocked those episodes out in about a two hour window. And then one week later, we filmed episode three. So there you go, Brady. That's, that's your behind the scenes look. We tried to record it in 2024, because it's the 2024 championship. But Steve schedule with filming his history channel show just didn't really allow that. So we had to wait until now. And then I think this summer,

we're gonna have a Gibroni tournament coming for all those folks who didn't qualify for the big leagues. And I would like to apologize, I saw someone in the chat hadn't listened to the final episode yet. So we should have maybe added a spoiler alert. Although if you were paying attention to the scoreboard

at the end of episode two. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say this, there is something fun that happens Although if you were paying attention to scoreboard at the end of episode two Yeah Let's say this there's there is something fun that happens in that episode anyway, so you should go listen. Yes. Yes We have some very competitive scores that happen. What else you got Phil? Well on that note They're getting a lot of requests for a honkin for a bonkin X ran a random old t-shirt our two most requested t-shirts recently. So I don't know how you- My face on the goose though.

Your face on a goose, maybe being chased by a goose-inator as well. Oh, with a broken toe. Why not throw it all in, in the kitchen sink. It'll explain, my origin story will be captured in the art, I like it. That reminds me, Layen,

we had somebody write in to Mead Eater Trivia saying that they and their buddy have a competition competition and the loser of their year-long tournament a meat eater trivia has to get a tattoo of our choosing. I think we offered a few suggestions and then a lot of people wrote in afterwards saying we missed the obvious one of getting the tattoo of honkin for a bonkin that appeared on a previous episode of meat eater radio for a tattoo that someone ended up regretting But I think I think they gave that person words of encouragement. They should I hope I hope they no longer regret that Yeah, it's a good tattoo. So if that person is listening right now who lost their trivia

Championship with their buddy They ought to get the honking for a bonkin goose tattoo She piggyback on some more trivia stuff, John has a comment he says in regards to the, the Dermefted incident, I think incorrectly spelled answers in trivia should only be counted as correct if they can be reasonably pronounced correctly.

And I agree with John, which is why I was against Steve getting, getting that point. Yeah. He's John articulated it rather clearly here. In the back of my mind, I had some sort of animal instinct to reject Steve's answer, but John really hit the nail on the head Yeah, here's the deal John. It's it's very hard for seven people to argue with their boss Who's right and who's wrong? So sometimes we just lose that argument in that case and that that means that in other cases

Randall doesn't get credit for putting crystalists instead of chrysalis Even though you know the logic should have been applied there as well So sorry apologize to you Randall for months ago when you gave that answer Yeah, and did you go back and look at whether that would have affected the outcome of the game? I believe I would have tied it. I don't think I'm going to anything else Phil Aaron we got turkey season coming up Aaron Aaron says, he says, I turkey hunt solo a lot. How do y'all usually spend the back half of your day in a hunt till noon state? Well, Aaron, my great flaw with turkey hunting and with shed hunting is that it always devolves into two other things,

and that is mushroom hunting or rock hunting. So, Aaron, keep your eyes on the ground, look for cool rocks, look for mushrooms that are if you're in a hunt till noon stay and I feel like those are mostly in the south, is it like Kentucky or Tennessee? Someone will write in I'm sure. You've probably got mushrooms popping up here very soon so get yourself educated on what edible mushrooms you can eat and then go look for those things. How about you boys? Any suggestions for what Aaron should do after the turkey hunting season ends for him

at noon o'clock each day? Man, around here we're hunting turkeys from sun up till sundown, so I'm trying to think, put myself in your shoes, I'd probably go fishing. Or if you're in a state that has an open black bear season, you can cruise the roads, do a little glassing of pie, look for a brewing. We're taking a nap. We're taking a nice afternoon nap.

Yep. Apps are good. Lance suggested putting a GoPro on the Goosinator. That's a great idea. And also our guy Mogor, apparently daylight savings works differently in hungry.

He, he, he missed the beginning of the show, but we're glad you're here. Mogor. I was, I was honestly like, when the timer was happening, I was looking in the beginning of the show, but we're glad you're here. Oh, yeah. When the timer was happening, I was looking in the check. It's usually our guys in there saying hi and he wasn't in there. And I'm glad to see that he didn't miss. Yeah.

I hope I didn't screw up my, uh, hungry time last week when I announced it. That would be embarrassing. Uh, Mogor, you're going to have to go back and listen because, uh, we, we talked about you again this week and how Randall's shout out to your time zone is going to, uh, inspire a new little bit for Me at least. I don't know about the other hosts. I will do one more fluffy one but we'll hit more of these at the end of the show so keep the questions coming in. Question for Phil what are the odds you implement your harmonica into one of the jingles? Pretty low because the jingles are usually just you know rip-off parodies

of pop songs and stuff but I did play harmonica for the theme song I wrote for the meat eater kids podcast. So if you want some more harmonica action, you need to just do like some a piano man that has a strong harmonica in it. Um, anything with blues travelers has a lot of harmonica. Oh yeah. I'm just as good as that guy too. John popper, John popper. He's got his bandoliers of harmonica. The hook always brings me back. I'm with you I think Gen Z just discovered the blues travelers that a thing like is he big on tik-tok now? I gotta say it's there are just blues traveler. Yeah

blues traveler More than one of them it I say anyway Gen Z has just discovered them the specific clip of him doing the is it the the harmonica solo in hook That is quite popular right now. Wow people are thrilled. That's great exists for him All right moving on our next segment is the price is right Let's move over to my finger. Sorry Spencer Hey, here it comes from Bozeman, Montana. Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right! Yes, wow, that's great.

Cory Calkins, come on down! Oh, yeah, okay! Randall Williams, come on down! You're the next two contestants on Meat Eater Radio's The Price is Right! Now, here's your host, Spencer Neuhardt! Thank you Phil, thank you. Cory's third appearance on The Price is Right and Randall's first appearance here. Alright, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about

a product from the Meat Eater universe and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout out from Phil. Alright, there are three products for today's show. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid. How about we start today's show by giving you your very own up for bed. How about we start today's show by giving you your very own Big Buck Hunter Reloaded Arcade Game.

Do you want to live like a bachelor? Do you love slugging beers and shooting deers? Is your name Randall Williams? Well, we've got just the thing for you. The Big Buck Hunter Reloaded Arcade Game comes with a 42-inch monitor and two toy rifles. And if you get tired of gunning down Booner Whitetails, just turn on one of the other seven thrilling games such as The Walking Dead, Duck Dynasty, or Terminator Salvation. There's also 33 mini games and 11 huntable animals,

including a zombie deer mission called Doe of the Dead. Alright Randall and Cory, what does that bar worthy arcade game cost? Man, sorry is this used or is this new? This is brand new. I'm not going to tell you the website, but this is a brand new Big Buck Hunter reloaded arcade game. Phil is showing us a few screenshots from the game As well as that arcade game itself Without going over Randall Phil, the the graphics

you're looking at here. Oh sure yeah for the audio listeners we've got some some deer with some real thick antlers frolicking around a farmhouse here but they are completely eaten up by some sort of zombie parasite they've got some green slime all over their rib cage you know their their jaws are torn apart you know picture of zombie deer that's what we're looking at here. So that's one of the... Phil, why are arcade game graphics always like 15 years behind the rest of video game graphics?

If you showed me this screenshot, which you can see on our YouTube channel, I'd be like, yeah, that's from 2004. Well, arcade games need to... They're in a cabinet that is that is hot it needs to be running You know not 24 7 but in some cases. Yeah, 24 7 so they can't use too intensive CPUs or graphics cards that would so they they're a little bit behind the times But that keeps keep some running for a longer sure so a 42 inch monitor it has two rifles Seven thrilling games 33 mini games

11 huntable animals this isn't your dad's big buck hunter arcade game. God. I want one so bad in my house Yeah, well they make a mini one now, which is what I do Yeah, so you can this isn't that my buddy's got one in his basement that one is actually quite affordable, okay? Hmm this this one though. It doesn't shoot like the real thing. Yeah, this is one you'd see in your favorite bar. Sydney and I used to go play Buckhunter on our anniversary every year. Wow, and you quit doing that? They sold that Buckhunter machine. Okay, I bet we could find another one. We used to go to the bar where we met in Missoula and play it. Wow. There's also a great Buckhunter machine. There used to be one at the cannery. There's a great one at a

laundromat in Whitefish. Wow. Yeah, I used to play that when we were up in Whitefish. It's really part of our journey. My wife and I, it's part of our story. Great. Do both of you have an answer? I do. Of the big Buck Hunter reloaded arcade game. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Oh, we have Randall saying Howard five thousand six hundred ninety nine dollars and ninety nine cents. And we have Corey going low. He says six hundred one dollars. Hate the player, not the game coward. The correct answer is six thousand four hundred ninety five dollars.

Gang Randall, the first point only $900 off the correct answer we had big dough in the chat guess who gets 6400 Wow very close. Oh, yeah, big dough. Golly nice. You're done Now the the mini one that Randall is saying his buddy has that one's like $600 Maybe you were right on more than I thought and they sell that one at like Best Buy. Yeah, Walmart. It's so fun Yeah, this this was the real deal way off. All right, Phil. Tell us about the second item up for bid Well, if you like shooting thousands of virtual deer Then you'd probably love an autographed copy of Ted Nugent's book God guns and rock and roll

The whack master himself signed hundreds of items that he's selling on his website. Besides his memoir, there's also autographed cookbooks, posters, and hats, including a chic camo cap that says, elect that mother effer again. Ted calls it the super gonzo, sorry, hold on, Ted calls it quote, because that's important, the super gonzo mojo voodoo America freedom battle cry hat of all time. But feel free to choose your own nonsensical string of nouns verbs and adjectives Well, I know what I'm getting Phil for Christmas this yeah, all right Randall and Cory What does that autographed book from terrible Ted cost? This is straight from his website. He has I think four books for sale that have his name on him

Yeah, that's the only one I've read. This, you know, you're kidding. I read that. Yeah, I read that in high school. You did. Yeah. You made it one of the New York Times bestsellers, which it has that stamp. Oh, I think it was long out by the time I read it. Give us a review of God, guns and rock and roll. I don't remember much about it, I'll be honest with you, but I did own that.

I remember sitting that on the that's sitting on my bookshelf It's a pretty book pretty looking book and he sells hundreds of things on his website that are autographed by him Yeah, I just I mean My gut tells me that he values his own signature rather highly. I know that's what I'm worried about too, but it's also a book signature rather highly. I know that's what I'm worried about too. But it's also a book. It is a book but it's signed by the Whackmaster himself. Can we get a pub date on that film? Great. Unfortunately I don't have that in my script but maybe Spencer could. We could look that up. Yeah now sorry you're juggling too many things. Back to item one though the $6,495 that was from hangouthaven.com.

And if you wanna make it online compatible, you'll need to fork over another $40 per month. Yeah, I figured there's a description. So you can play people across the globe in Big Buck Hunter. Wow. But we're on IT2. It looks like you've got August 14th, 2001

for that publication. Yeah, so I could read that in high school. Maybe I was one of the ones that, one of the individuals that put it on the best side of us. I'm surprised to hear that. That book like a post 9-eleven book not a pre. I know He was three weeks. I don't think Ted's changes to in my well I guess like since he you know dodged the draft by shooting his pants, but You boys got an answer for the cost of that autograph

He said that in an interview and then later denied it You boys got an answer for the cost of that autograph. I don't remember. I think that's true. He said that in an interview and then later denied it. Who knows? You boys ready? Yep. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Randall saying 79.99. We have Corey saying 49.99.

The correct answer is lower than both of those So you will try again write down a new answer. What was yours Cory? 49.99 you know that it's lower than 50 bucks How's the chat doing Phil is anybody I will I don't want to give too much away But we have we've got a lot of people get it right on the money So I'm sure there are some good guesses and saying some cheaters in there but all right man Randall and Corey I wouldn't people are cheating I have no problem using them I should be careful here I know if you have an answer yeah go ahead and reveal your answers we've got Corey

saying 3499 oh boy Randall saying 2799 come99. Come on, Uncle Ted. The correct answer is $29.99, giving Randall the victory and the second point of the game. And that is $20 cheaper than his autographed hat that says American Shitkicker on it. So if you're looking to get Pat Durkin his 70th birthday present for about 50 bucks. Oh, Teddy. You can get him two autographed pieces of Ted Nugent merch.

Phil, tell us about the folks who got it right on the nose. Oh, I'm putting them up all on the screen here because there's a lot of them. Mark Hodges, hello. Get them all there. We have five or six people get it right on the money there. Good on you guys. All right, Phil, tell us about the third item up for bid today. Oh, sure. Let me just bring it up here and do that.

Do that. And then I got to go back over here. Do you like it when I narrate all the things I'm doing? I'm just trying to fill the silence here. Let me guess what we're talking about here. It's a... Yeah, actually, Rand, how about you guess and then I'll read the description? It's a four by six Harbor Freight tarp.

Our final item up for bid today is a taxidermied white tail dough from Craigslist. Oh, really? This full body mount portrays a dead deer lying on its side. Doesn't sound too interesting. Well, you'd be wrong. The New York City seller said the white tail was used as a movie prop. When Spencer reached out to ask what movie, the Craigslist-er wouldn't say, but did reveal that the film will come out later this year and stars an Oscar-winning actress. Could it be Jurassic Park? Maybe Avatar or The Conjuring. Or it might be the seventh film in the Predator franchise. I guess we'll never know.

That's right, Phil. Even when I begged the seller to tell me and added pretty pretty please to my email, they held firm and said legally they couldn't leak the title of the film. Alright Mandolin Corey what does that full-body whitetail doe mount cost? Beautifully done piece of text. It's very real. It's a whitetail doe who looks like she's in her early summer coat and then it so I think the bloat that you're seeing there are her udders. Yeah this would be a deer that died like right in the middle of May while she had a little fawn under her belly. Or it's been sitting on the side of the road for 24 hours. That's right. Mmm.

So what does that piece of taxidermy cost? Interesting. Golly. I can't go out zero to three here. It looks so good on the tarp. Uh-huh. I know that is convincing. I so good on the tarp. I know that is convincing I know how much the tarp cost. I need our listeners to watch every film that comes out this year that is starring an Oscar-winning

Actress so we can figure out where this taxidermy dough is from If it's in the new Jurassic Park film, so it'll be it'll be Co-starring with some FHF gear. That's right scar Joe. She has an Oscar So I thought it could be that but when I watch the trailer it looks like it's taking place on a tropical island I don't think Scarlett Johansson has an Oscar. She's been nominated multiple times Okay, now now we got it. Well if that's not the case and we can eliminate Jurassic Park, but Herschel Ali, I think is in that movie. He does have an Oscar, but he is a man. Actress, yes. Oscar, woman, actress. Do both of you have an answer for what that taxidermied dead deer costs? I do.

Yeah, let's roll. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Corey saying $301. Randall saying $2,499.99. It's a piece of Hollywood history to be. Yeah, but they're just trying to get rid of that thing. The correct answer is $4,500. And they said if I pick it up by Sunday, they'll give me a discount. Wow. Maybe you could make it $2,500.

I'm going to be in New York City next week. I could genuinely bring this thing home if we can solve where this movie comes from You got four grand burning a hole in your pocket I do not but maybe this company these airwaves were on does offer him three hundred one dollars Randall a dominant victory coming off being the 2024 meteor trivia champion So we do now defending his title is the that one goes out to all the random balls in the chat. We had Kevin guess 899 but also, you know, I don't know what it says about me that I don't trust anyone who gets it right

on the money, especially with something like this. But Lance guess 950 Lance, if you are true to your word, then I apologize. $4,500 though. Those are the closest we had. Oh, sorry, I'm looking. We're live. Oh, sorry. I'm looking. We're live. That's OK. I'm looking at last episodes price of a taxidermy. Oh, the camouflage. I'm looking at the wrong price. OK, four thousand five hundred dollars, five hundred dollars.

If you were close in the chat. Oh, big doe put a winky face. Wow. We know what he's about, but he got it right on the money. OK, big doe. Dirty dog. Oh, Big Dough put a winky face. Wow. We know what he's about, but he got it right off the bat. Okay, Big Dough. Dirty dog. So if you live in New York City, that taxidermy dough could be yours. And like Randall said, it's a piece of Hollywood history. Maybe it's Big Dough pushing his own product in the chat.

He just flat out said it. See, this is what I'm talking about here. Well, I'll know who to watch next time when we're playing. Randall, now the champion of Price is Right and Meat Eater Trivia. All right, let's move on to our last interview for the day. Joining us on the line next is Joel Collender from Rock Island Auction, and he's here to show us

some legendary guns that are coming up for sale Joel welcome to the show Gentlemen afternoon always pleasure. Good to be back our job He's a recurring guest but real quick remind folks of what Rock Island auction is Sure, we're the number one auction house in the world for fine and historic collector firearms Of course, we're known for six and seven figure firearms. Those are the ones that catch the headlines, but absolutely catering to collectors, users of all budgets, all levels of expertise, everything.

If there's something you're looking for, it's not a question of if we'll get it. It's usually just when. Now, before we get to today's guns, I want to ask you some questions about Rock Island What's the oldest gun you've ever sold? The oldest that I've seen since I've been here and that's just about 12 years our actual hand cannons There's you know triggers and firing mechanisms you literally have a cannon you holding your hand with a touch hole And you're in your firing it off. So how old are we talking? Oh, pre 1400s and earlier.

She'd done probably dating back to, you know, what some people's the earliest between like 11th century at the earliest. So in between that area and there's a lot of, you know, of course development in that time. And what part of the world would that gun come from? a lot of course development in that time. And what part of the world would that gun come from? Asia, Japan, China, of course, gunpowder, developing in China, so a lot of that section

of the world will have that. The earliest gun that we've sold of significance comes from about 1610, 1620, so you're looking right around the time the King James Bible was introduced, and that was a wheel lock that belonged to Louis the 13th. Now what's the most famous gun that you've ever sold? Oh, well, we brought it up in the last interview. I'd have to say it's that a blast tech deal

44 blaster. It was a Han Solo's blaster in Star Wars episode four. It was one of three ever made and it came from the owner of a bafting company from the actual prop house. Had documentation from the armor of the film. So that one got some international press, also went for over a million dollars. Had a Guinness World Record actually for that. So that was definitely the most, I'd say the most famous one. Now I just finished reading a book about art thieves and a lot of these crimes happen at auction houses.

Have you guys ever dealt with any kind of an attempted heist? Thankfully, no, we have had no problem with heist. We take security pretty, pretty seriously at our locations, though we have had guns that have been involved in heists. We've had a revolver that By actually a cult. It was a fit special. I'm not factory fit special one that he had modified From Clyde Barrow from the Barrow gang Bonnie and Clyde We've had a public enemy number one. Who is that? Floyd Hamilton he was a part of their gang

He helped in the in the big bust when they broke four people out of jail. Pretty Boy Floyd. Yeah. Well, no, that's different. Floyd Hamilton's part of that parallel gang. We have had a gun tied to Pretty Boy Floyd in a separate Tommy gun related story. But the big one I like, Bob Dalton, leader of the Dalton gang, and of course leads the failed Coffeeville raid.

But before the raid, they ordered 10 Colts, fancy Colts, pearl handled, engraved, case hardened, like beautiful guns. And they ordered these 10 guns for the gang to do this, you know, double bank robbery in one day. And we have privilege of selling one of those. Classy. Amazing. All right.

Now the guns we're about to see will be available at the Rock Island Auction happening May 2nd through May 4th. All right, Joel, what do you have to show us? Well, first and foremost, brought something for the mountain men, something for the long hunters. This would be a Hawken rifle. Now, a lot of them, it's quintessential

American frontier sortken rifle. Now a lot of them, it's, you know, quintessential American frontier sort of rifle. A lot of them get the name of Hawken rifle. This one is actually made by Hawken. So you have Jacob and Samuel Hawken, they begin producing guns around 1815. We know this one dates from about the 1850s because Jacob dies, but Samuel keeps making guns and it's marked with his store

that they founded in St. Louis, but it just has his name. So just a quintessential piece of America. This one's the full stock. A lot of times the half stocks were more popular despite being more expensive to produce because they were a little more labor intensive. So you don't see the full stocks as often, but boy, just what a piece

from that, you know, from the mountain man era, from this fur trading era, whether you're a pioneer, explorer, etc. about that mining over well with some of the fellers. Yeah. What do you think that gun is going to sell for? Well, we have an estimate, I believe on a genuine Hawken, 65 to 95,000. Wow. Okay. What's the boron that, are you interested in that price? Yeah, what's the bore on that? Well, sorry, the apologies to Jeremiah Johnson, this one's 54 caliber. Ah, yeah, I was gonna say, I know a guy

who might be interested. Now Randall, did that gun show up a lot in your coverage of Mountain Men? Yeah, I mean, the Hawken is the gun that's most commonly associated with that era. And it's like probably the most iconic firearm since the Kentucky long rifle. What's interesting in our research is that

there's a few like very high profile individuals that had genuine Hawkins, but you know- Such as? Jim Bridger, oh, what's his name? Kidd Carson famously, of course. Yep. And, but you know, a lot of that, your sort of day to day boots on the ground,

mountain men were getting by with cheaper guns, you know? But those, the Hawkin is like the legendary piece from that time. All right, Joel, what gun do you have next for us? Well, I know it's been something for the Buffalo hunters in the group. I had a Sharps last time. This one's got a couple of special different tweaks to it. It's a Sharps model 1874 business model. It's a sharps model 1874 business model. This one ships actually in 1878.

So that prime like huge commercial bison hunting era, you're out there in Montana and big sky country or territory, I guess I should say. This is one of very few shipped to actually the president of sharps at the time. So it's a rare gun. There's a business model, it's like 1600 made. So it's a rare gun. There's a business model, it's like 1600 made. So it's a classic gun, definitely associated

with the bison hunting at the time and the commercial hunting. Rare one because of that, shipped to the president of the company. But more than that, this gun has won some awards because of the accessories that it comes with. It has maintained all these years, not just as kind of a rare and desirable firearm,

but it comes with the full sort of buffalo hunting kit. There's that rifle is cased in a case entirely coated with bison fur. It comes with the full skinning kit from the field. Beautiful. Wow. In bison fur and just like not every shape, every size, there's things in here that I mean, I think look like

they're gonna be for woodworking. This was one, but you know, it's for making sure these things can get green and back to market. Now what makes that the business model and what sets it apart from just a regular one of those? the business model and what sets it apart from just a regular one of those? Caliber configuration is so they're set with a I think it's a 28 inch barrel round barrel, although there are a lot of varieties seen during that time. They're also produced during a pretty narrow window. So it's I don't want to say it's a collector designation because it was absolutely

an original designation from sharps for how they chose to sell it. But basically a configuration again, aimed at sort of that big market you see where people wanted accurate guns, reliable guns that could put a lot of firepower on big animals like an American bison. And what do you think that gun is going to sell for? I have to write them all down.

That one we have estimated actually with all those like original period accessories 15 to 25 thousand. Okay, well cheaper for wear starts with some extra goodies No, I I hate to be uh, I hate to repeat my question from earlier. What's that one chambered in? Is that a 50 is that the big 50? Oh, it's a 45 70. Gotcha Very cool old classic. Yep. And again shipped in shipped in 1878, so it's right in that window. Now, are you working on the Buffalo hide hunter's book right now?

Is this- I am. Is this gun very famous in your research? Oh yeah, yeah, the sharps. I mean, again, like the sharps, if you associate one firearm with that era in that particular hunt, it's the sharps. And legendary for shooting animals at distance and putting a big wallop on them. Okay and what what is the third gun you have with you today

Joel? Well third one is actually one that's gonna cut one of the headliners of the auction. This is a Winchester 18 model 1873 one of 1000. That was actually one of three made for the film Winchester 73 starring Jimmy Stewart. That gun is a piece of art he is holding. Now how old is this gun and what do you think that'll sell for? Is it from 1873? Nope, so that's just a model designation. There were some original 101,000 made like 18, mostly from 1875 to 1893. This one was manufactured by the company some years later,

specifically to be a prop for the movie. It's an original manufacturer, although right at the turn of the century. That said, it is because of its significance to gun collecting. I mean, the movie, movie the campaign the gun itself like Changes fine arms collecting in the United States forever. It's not like the sole Catalyst for it, but to say it's not a major player would would be a mistake

This let's see. What did the estimate on that spot? 375 to $325,000. Wow. So it's based up there right with, you know, original rare one of 1000 Winchester's, like these Holy grails, these crown jewels of fine arms collecting.

And here you have the one that's on screen. You can look at the buttstock. There's the plaque on the buttstock that like starts the whole movie. And actually this is that rifle. There's, you know, we have plenty of paperwork coming with this to show that when that movie opens this is the rifle that you see.

Beautiful. That's amazing. Now I'm not a, I'm not a huge lever gun guy. I, I sort of know the origin story and the early models. And then I'm familiar with what's available to the shooter today, but could you tell us a little bit about where the 73 fits in with sort of the development of that technology? Yeah, absolutely. So of course you have a lot of lever actions dating to the mid-19th century. Of course the most famous one as the patents are bought up is is the

Henry rifle that's pre Winchester that's New Haven Arms during the Civil War era 1860 to 65 Winchester of course buys these patents a little bit of a drama there with Benjamin Tyler Henry starts his own company Winchester Oliver Winchester a shirtmaker from New York comes out with the Winchester 66 using a lot of those Benjamin Tyler Henry patents his next rifle that he makes is the is the model 1873 and what do you mean Joel by what do you mean when you say this gun changed gun collecting so the the movie I mean they're famous for being the rare guns you know know, these Holy Grails.

There's only of the original Winchester 101 thousands, there's like 132 ever made. And of course, just under half of those are known to exist today. They're extremely rare, deluxe guns made for a narrow window of time. People love these. What the movie, and they're kind of forgotten about, there's a period of time in the 20s, even into the 40s where there's some Curiosity about him by known by people who know finding collector firearms But they're not the famous guns that we know today. Well the movie

Comes out 1950 and when the movie comes out There's a huge publicity campaign and this is done kind of headed by Steve Depperman who runs an agency in New York And he's a name collector should know because his campaign is looking for the original Winchester 101 thousands they they launched this huge campaign tens of thousands of posters not even domestically but also internationally they're in gun stores they're in Winchester dealerships looking for Winchester 101,000 rifles and they don't want them. They're not taking them They're like we're just trying to document them all and if you have one if you have a Winchester 1873 101,000 We'll send you a Winchester 1894 deer rifle brand new

I think a lot of people are submitting submitting these but what it really did how it changed gun collecting is it's Introducing people to the concept of rare and desirable firearms. That those firearms are worth money, that those are valuable. It's teaching them how to identify them, and it's got them, like people actively searching for them. Like it's for quintessential gun collector behaviors, and it's just launching this on a fairly unprecedented scale.

And then we call the 50s sort of this golden age of gun collecting or fine arms collecting and it's largely due to impart this massive influx of people who are now looking for rare desirable guns, of course, starting with the Winchester 1873 101 thousands, but you know, eventually, you know, Colt single action armies are being collected. Civil war arms, revolutionary war arms. It's just, it's varied of course, as whatever people have an interest in. And if Randall is interested in one of these guns,

how does he make a bid? We, of course you'd call us. We'll have the catalog up probably early April or maybe late March here, the way we're moving, which is good news. You can hop on the line. There's all the pictures, the full descriptions, calibers, all any other questions people might have. And it's as easy as clicking on the website. But of course, people want to come do it in person. These are these big auctions are premier auctions. They're live events. We built a

new facility, oh, just about a year and a half ago in Bedford, Texas. And it is absolutely outstanding. So come see him in person, put them in your hands before you place a bid, you can do that. Yeah, don't try to make a heist because they're watching you closely. All right, we're gonna check in with you later this year to see what other cool guns you have at the auction house. Already looking forward to that interview.

Thanks for joining us, Joel. That's all, Joel. That's all, thanks very much, you have a real good one. You too. All right, that brings us to the end of this week's show. Phil let's get some final feedback from the chat. Yeah Steven asks Spencer any chance you'll be rock hounding on your trip to Lake Superior? I would love to see a collab with Agate Dad. I don't know who Agate Dad is but I maybe I'm assuming you do but I don't know if you do or not. I do not know who Agate Dad is. I follow a handful of rockhounding influencers,

most of them in the West. But yes, I do plan to rockhound on that trip. I'd love to find a Superior Agate. I have a few, but they're ones that I have traded for. So I don't have any that I have myself found, which makes them a little more special. So I'm gonna attempt to find one on that trip. I also have my UV flashlight with me and walking the shores of Lake Superior is

a great place to bust one of those out to find some unique rocks. So I'm going to try to do it, Stephen. Right on. I want to give a shout out to Sarah who didn't cheat and was the closest for that deer prop. She guessed $2,, which I think was the closest, even though I think the price was what? Almost five grand? 4,500. 4,500.

Wow, good on you, Sarah. People were really low ball on that one. Mm-hmm, naturally. You guys can get as deep into this as you want to, but Jax, he says, I was inspired to pursue a degree in range management by you all. Any words of encouragement or advice for someone looking into this career

with the current political situation? What do you got, Randall? Man, I would just say keep the faith. You know, we're in a very strange moment right now, but there's always going to be need for people to watch out for our soils and our vegetation and all that habitat out there and yeah I don't know that I would make any rash decisions at the moment as other rash decisions are being made by the powers that be so keep the faith Jack and I appreciate your Appreciate your chosen career path there. Hey Jack. I went to a school for biology, ecology, and evolution. I'm not using that degree today and if you don't use your range management

degree either, I don't think you would regret going to college for that. You'll be exposed to a lot of fun interesting things that any outdoorsman would like to know. So good luck Jack. Well said. Harrison asks, question for the crew, what do you think of Western That any outdoorsmen would like to know so good luck Jack well said Harrison asks question for the crew What do you think of Western states moving to having people purchase a tag to shed hunt and should Montana follow suit? Thanks

Well Harrison I would say I typically trust the folks making those decisions if they think you need a tag to either Track how many people are doing it or to limit the amount of folks that are like pushing around animals during a very vulnerable time. I'm okay with it. I also don't know those tag prices, but I assume it's less than 30 bucks. As outdoorsmen, we spend a lot of dumb money on a lot of dumb things. That $30 tag, which is probably on the expensive side of what these Western states are charging, is money well spent. What do you guys think?

Yeah, I think it's an activity that, when done, I guess, carelessly, has a pretty significant impact on the resource. And I would support our wildlife managers having all the information that they can to sort of understand better what that impact is and what steps we can take to make it more wildlife friendly because again deer and elk getting pushed around on winter ranges serious source of mortality. And I think like shed hunting in the West is probably more popular now than it's ever been. Yeah, it's one of those things like, on a limited basis, it might not have a huge impact,

but as it's grown in popularity, it certainly is making its impact on the resource. Cory, when you were in your shed hunting heyday, would you scoff at a $30 license if you needed to buy one to do that? No, no I wouldn't. I'd pay that in a heartbeat. Yeah, just I think along the lines of what you mentioned, I think anything that becomes a little overcrowded or over popular has to be regulated somehow. And yeah, but I will say probably the worst defenders are the guys that are gonna go out and

Not buy the tag Right. Yeah Like people are still like the people that are the people that are kind of renegade shed hunters sure and and like chasing down bowls And stuff they're probably not gonna follow the rules. So it's double-edged sword, but I think always like supporting our agencies and and Providing them when with information and data is a good thing. Yeah I don't think they're out to get you when they make you buy one of these licenses to go shed on so I just trust that they're doing it for the good of the critters and the good of the resource. Yeah I don't think

Montana's anywhere near having one but I'm sure at some point it'll happen. Phil what else you got? Well let's do one more this is probably the most important one Kevin asks What new hair product is Randall using? Oh? Believe it's called spit. Yeah a little water a little comb. I did get a I don't even know what you call it It's like a little tub of Stuff I think it's made by Old Spice But they have like five different words for things you put in your hair now. You know, there's gels, there's balms, there's... pomade, there's matte paste. Yeah, I don't know.

You a dapper Dan man? I had to do something. I had to do something because otherwise it's just, you know, straight up... So did we get an answer there as to what you're putting in your hair? Old Spice. Old Spice. Okay. There you go. Nice. All right. That brings us to the end of the show. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll see you back here in a week. Hallelujah. Turkey season is upon us. Having the right gear can make all the difference. First Lights new tree-lined turkey vest is designed to meet the needs of serious hunters who value versatility. This new vest offers the

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