The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 678: MeatEater Radio Live! Corner Crossing, Tidepool Tim, and a MeatEater Menu

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Hosts Ryan Callaghan, Randall Williams, and Corinne Schneider take the good news with the bad on the public lands front, get a tour of the goodies at Gulf of Maine Inc. from "Tidepool" Tim Sheehan, suss out fake news, catch up with Jordan Sillars about his "Blood Trails," and get served a MeatEater Menu. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey American history buffs, hunting history buffs, listen up, we're back at it with another volume of our Meat Eaters American History series. In this edition titled The Mountain Men, 1806-1840, we tackle the Rocky Mountain beaver trade and dive into the lives and legends of fellows like Jim Bridger, Jed Smith, and John Coulter. This small but legendary fraternity of backwoodsmen helped define an era when the West represented not just unmapped territory, but untapped opportunity for those willing to endure some heinous and at times violent conditions. We explain what started the Mountain Man era and what ended it.

We tell you everything you'd ever want to know about what the mountain men ate, how they hunted and trapped, what gear they carried, what clothes they wore, how they interacted with Native Americans, how 10% of them died violent deaths, and even detailed descriptions of how they performed amputations on the fly. It's as dark and bloody and good as our previous volume about the white-tailed deer skin trade which is titled The Long Hunters 1761-1775. So again, you can buy this wherever audiobooks are sold. Meat Eaters American History The Mountain Men 1806-1840 by Stephen Rinella. Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live! It's 11 a.m. Montana time.

It's snowing like the Dickens out there. Charles Dickens, Phil. It's Thursday, March 20. Charles Dickens, Phil. It's Thursday, March 20. We're live here from MeatEater HQ in Boz Angeles, Montana, the greater Boz Angeles metropolitan area. I'm your host, Ryan Cal-Calahan. With me today is Dr. Randall Williams. I like to give him one of these, Dr. Randall Williams.

And Corinne, who actually knows how to use her fists, Schneider. Corinne, what would you do instead of this? Well, I'm not great at punching, but it's more like a headlock type. Sure, sure. She's all about submission, folks. That's what she's saying.

No, freezing. What, is that not right? Keep going. When was the last time you were in a dojo Phil moving along There's another bullet point beneath that one We have all sorts of great stuff for you today including fake news Hosted by dr. Randall guests such as

Tidepool Tim from Gulf of Maine, Inc which I'm super excited for we got some some great questions for Tidepool Tim. And Jordan Sillers, who, as you know, contributes a heck of a lot around the old meat eater universe from editorial to working on Cal's Week in Review, all your awesome, like, gun, controversial, highly controversial, gun on gun on gun episode or articles.

Articles, thank you. On the website, Jordan has been working on a super cool new project in the true crime genre. Yeah, we're very excited to bring that to you. Phil's gonna make that noise the whole time because we don't have, that's probably like the Law and Order theme song thing is probably not something that we can just rip off. Anyway, I'm gonna start off the show by giving you what you really want, which is like a policy and federal lands update

in the segment that somebody decided to call Cal Unleashed. Cal. What are you trying to say, man? Wow. That's great. I'm so glad I cut my own hair for this. It's true. Do you think I paid for it? Come on.

Okay. Public lands update. We're going to start with the good stuff. First, a 10th circuit court of appeals. Um, one of the highest federal courts in all of the land, uh, just issued their judgment, their decision on the second federal appeal of the corner crossing case in Wyoming. This is huge for folks who aren't familiar with corner crossing. You will be shortly.

Phil's gonna bring it up for you. If we can't get it up there go to On-Ex Corner Locked Report and it just gives you a very good easy breakdown of what we're talking about. But it's checkerboard and where the corners of the squares come together, that is how our land system is kind of broken down in the US. So stepping from one piece of public, let's say a black square to a black square at that corner, seems very straightforward. And by God, according to the judges, it is. If you can wrap your head around this stepping from public land to public land is legal. That's pretty much it. That's pretty much the update. A lot of people don't understand why this is controversial. It never should have been. Please read the decision out of the 10th Circuit Court.

A really great read, some good history on how these lands came together and how certain unsavory folks decided to try to tie up a bunch of Western land, miles and miles and miles, hundreds of millions of acres of western land through strategic purchases of small chunks of private land in an effort to block folks out of public land. I have a bunch of internal knowledge on this, but James Harrington who we call him Jim he was a board member for backcountry hunters and anglers North American board member he gave me an assessment of the situation because this still can be appealed by iron bar holdings and so that you know it's a threat that this may not be actually over. But according to old Jim, he says the judge or the judges, there's a whole list of judges in the

10th circuit, they were appointed by George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Reagan and Obama This case ain't getting turned over at the Supreme Court and it's the law until it's not And the Supreme Court probably wouldn't even be able to hear an appeal for Two to three years probably so two to three years, probably. So what that means is they upheld the original federal court decision in the Ninth Circuit. At the Tenth Circuit, this applies to basically like Tenth Circuit jurisdiction, which is Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, these little spits of Yellowstone National Park, the YNP that stick out into Idaho and Montana, but not elsewhere. However, this is the big thing. States like Montana that have a lot, millions of acres of corner locked land.

Um, this is the only case that has ever been tried to address this specific question. So let's say I go out here in my home state and I do this crazy thing of stepping from public land to public land and Somebody says I don't like that and They want us they want to sue take me to court Their lawyer would say hey, I want to take all your money for sure don't want to get in the way of that But just so you know Here's a Wyoming case, here's a Ninth Circuit Court case, here's a Tenth Circuit Court case that all says this is totally legal. And by the way, it always has been.

So I'll take your money. We can take this dude to court, but this is what we're up against. You shouldn't do that. Okay. But that's where we're at right now. So a big round of applause. Huge, huge thanks to Wyoming backcountry hunters and anglers who were the folks who got a hold of the Missouri corner crossers and Said hey, we got your back. We're gonna do whatever we can to raise money for your your legal fees and backcountry hunters and anglers for backing up Wyoming BHA and Super proud to say that here at meat eater we kicked in a bunch of cash and facilitated

a bunch of cash through our land access initiative and tons and tons of thanks to all of the folks in the MeatEater world who contributed to that because this is the result. Millions of acres of land, formerly corner locked, have now been unlocked through common sense. That just took a long time to get to. I like it. Yeah, what'd you think of my rundown, Corinne? I thought that was great, especially, yeah,

that it's a 10 circuit court jurisdiction. When I first saw that, I was just wondering when I first saw the headline, what states it applies to. But, you know, that's the power of precedent. It might be a deterrent for, you know, people to potentially bring lawsuits if this were to happen in other states. Outside of Ten Circuit jurisdiction. Yeah. Speaking with the legal team, one piece of insider info was the judge that we got does not like us. And so for this judgment to come out of that judge, they were super, super stoked on. Yep.

Great. Yep. So that was really cool. All right. Next big piece of news that affects all of us is the Interior Department, Secretary Burgum and HUD, led by Secretary, oh, sorry.

Where's my notes here? Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do- Sorry, where's my notes here? Did you do to do to do turner Scott Turner? Okay, we're gonna have a lot of acronyms here, but I'm gonna try to get through this really quick Joint statement, okay and and resources or your sources in general are very important here So a tool that I've been using lately is the Federal Register. Okay, so anything that happens with our federal government, it's supposed to be transparent, so there's documentation on the Federal Register every single day of all of this stuff. That is the source material. Okay. There may be a little bias and interpretation on my part here and there, but that's why you should get off your butts and go read it for yourself. The federal register. Okay. And this is a statement out of the department of the interior

and out of the, what is Interior and out of the what is it Housing Authority? Housing and Urban Development. Housing and Urban Development. I just want to jump in really quickly for the very first time in Radio Live looks like we're having some some connection issues I don't even know if you can hear us or see us right now if that's the case people listening to the podcast the next day this will, you'll be able to hear everything perfectly fine. Um, so, uh, because this is the first time this has happened, I don't know

what's going to happen to the video, but I think we just keep rolling on with the show Cal, cause oh, stream yard crash. Whoa. Oh no. Yeah. My internet is down. Oh, the whole, okay. Great.

Well for the podcast people, we're going to leave this in the end. It looks like the internet crashed for the, for the whole building so that's great. Yeah that shouldn't be a big deal. No. Cal why don't you just keep carrying on? Well I mean no I don't think we should uh now I think we should figure out what's going on here wait until this comes back up. Are we back? Can you hear us now? Yeah, please, people in the live chat, let me know if we are back on. We had Internet dropout for the whole building here. Jeff Weidra has a great question. Did you unplug it and plug it back?

OK, yep. Guys, this is an unprecedented technical error. Yeah. Yeah. Out of our hands. I see a bunch of you guys are pointing towards Elon Musk taking us down. I, you know, we can't confirm or deny that. Thanks, Boondoggin. Well, let's get back to the old, uh, federal lands. Oh, affordable housing.

Okay. Yeah. Sorry. So hopefully folks remember the federal register, okay? It's the daily documentation of what's going on in the government. That's the source material here. We had our interior secretary, Doug Burgum,

and why can't I remember Scott Turner's name at the housing and urban development. They made a joint statement saying the interior department oversees more than 500 million acres of federal land, much of it suitable for residential use. Streamlining the regulatory process is a cornerstone of this partnership. Historically building on federal land is a nightmare of red tape, lengthy environmental reviews, complex transfer protocols, and disjointed agency priorities.

This partnership will cut through the bureaucracy. Interior will reduce the red tape behind land transfers or leases to public housing authorities, nonprofits and local governments. Housing and urban development will ensure these projects align with affordability goals and development needs. profits in local governments. Housing and urban development will ensure these projects align with affordability goals and development needs. This isn't a free-for-all to build on federal lands. Although we recognize that bad faith critics will likely call it that. It's a strategic

effort to use our resources responsibly while preserving our most beautiful land. Well, little trick for you when we talk about public speaking is you don't feed your audience the things that then spawn bad faith criticism. Such as saying that much of 500 million acres of public land is suitable for housing or that you're gonna remove the regulations such as environmental reviews and oversight which is currently happening because that does create like a bad faith critic. Yes. And I'll just say like, I don't have a whole lot of faith here that

what we've seen in the last two months is capable of making well thought out decisions. Right? I'm referring of course to the super metallic off-brand Doge chainsaw. What we need here is well thought out decision making. I was like visibly physically distraught and angry when this came out. Um, cause I just do not like where this is heading. The reality though, is that there has always been a process for selling

federally managed land. Um, that's provided for in what is referred to as FLIPMA, which is the Federal Land Policy Management Act. And there's a ceiling of 2,500 acres before Congress would have to be involved in the decision to release larger tracts of land. It's nice that this stuff's provided for. Everything is supposed to go through an environmental review called NEPA, which is the National Environmental Policy Act that came in in 1970. You know, like basically

the 70s were this kind of point in time where people were like, Oh my God, we've almost killed off things. Now we can bring them back. Um, notably at that time, like bald eagles and DDT, right? That was, that was a government action and, um, people could see the benefits of protecting the environment. Um, I'm trying to wrap this up cause I wrote like 2000 words on this, um, which I'll, I'll put in like the cows, we can review podcasts so we can keep her all snappy here.

But basically we only have so much land. There will never be enough. Our population keeps rising. The idea that we're at some kind of crazy critical mass and it just has to happen right now is total malarkey. It's super short-sighted. Yes, we need more affordable housing and This land is so valuable if you actually think in the long term

That these processes that we have in place from the Council of environmental quality, which is supposed to be the executive I Don't know liaison for NEPA. They're supposed to be able to talk to the agencies, say this is how NEPA, which started out as a four page document, four pages, which is pretty darn efficient. In 1970, how that is supposed to be implemented, what's

supposed to be taken into consideration, and then they tell the president what it is. The CEQ, NEPA, that's not something that says a project cannot happen. All it's supposed to say is here is what is at risk. Here's what could happen to what is ever on the ground. And also here's what could happen if we did nothing. It's really an accountability exercise for the US government that says here is our impact. This is what we knew when we took an action. We knew the possible implementation, the ramifications of our actions, right? There's a great This is from, you got to listen to this. This is like the best, best quote. This is 1970. Our government.

Senator Henry Jackson states, Mr. President, it is my view that NEPA as passed by the Senate and now as agreed upon by the Conference Committee, is the most important and far-reaching environmental and conservation measure ever enacted by the Congress. NEPA is a Congressional declaration that we do not intend as a government or as people to initiate actions which endanger the continued existence or the health of mankind That we will not initially initiate actions which will do irreparable damage to the air land and water Which support life on earth?

That was written in 1970 by our government And What has happened basically to wrap this up in a tidy as nutshell as we can. We have a process for selling federally managed public lands. They're supposed to be looking for marginal lands that that they determine to be marginal of which i will be honest like we do have chunks of land that are not providing like major ecological benefits not beautiful habitat you could make the case and and literally under the biden administration this happened under the first Trump administration. This happened and it's happened prior to that, where we have made decisions to sell public land to municipalities, trade it to other entities. And some of that's happening right now.

And they're like weird things that are like, this is a chunk of ground that currently exists within an airport. That is a federal chunk of ground, right? Like it's fenced off, jets land on the damn thing. Like it's not of environmental value to us. So there are things like that. What I am asking is that the controls that have been put in place to value these lands

and value the impacts that we are going to have on these lands actually remain in place. However, the NEPA process is right now in a 30 day review to be rolled back. CEQ, right, the administration that is there to interpret NEPA, which can, by the way, already set carve-outs within the process to make things super fast, and something that has been used many, many times

over many administrations. The new secretary or not secretarial order, but the new marching orders for CEQ are to basically do the NEPA thing, but keep in mind that we're going to cap you on time spending, and if an entity that wants the land comes to you with their own review, that should be prioritized over the NEPA review, which is a little concerning to me because we are not making any more land. It's only going to be more valuable. Why sell it now? That's kind of my rant. I can go way, way on. And I will on my own podcast, not, not for you, good people. I'm telling you, man, there's nothing quite like it gives me chubby.

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If you want to set that up Cal. Oh We're gonna go to tide pool Tim right now, yeah, we're moving things around all right coming in from Cobb's cook Bay Excited to learn how to really say that is Cook Bay excited to learn how to really say that is go from Maine inks Tim Sheeham aka aka tide pool Tim Tim you there there meeters hello welcome to the show well thanks for having me on today it's kind of a cold windy day here on the coast of Maine we're way up the coast right on the border with Atlantic Canada. So, I mean, I don't like to swim, but we're about five miles as

the crow flies across to the New Brunswick and then of course Nova Scotia and the Bay of Fundy. Well, according to TV and Stephen King and all the other things about Maine, it's always cold, gray and windy there. It is. And we had hoped to join you guys at low tide, which was a couple of hours ago. But right now we're about mid tide or so. And you can see behind me this huge tidal river that's flowing in. And a lot of what we do here, my ability to have this marine supply business is because

of all of this moving water and all the productivity and this amazing abundant ecosystem. So I'm excited to share that with you guys and your listeners. Yeah, can you give us a quick breakdown of what Gulf of Maine is? What you guys do? Yeah, it's kind of a funny little business. I used to teach high school biology. And at the time I had my summers off, of course, and I started to go down by the shore and pick up a little bit of seaweed here and some starfish there and some seashells. And I thought, man, there's got to be markets for this stuff. And over the past 20 some years, we have markets with cosmetic companies, with bait companies, with agricultural fertilizer

companies, food ingredients, scientists, researchers, aquariums, and pretty much, if you need anything from the ocean, Tidepool Tim, I'm your guy. Good man to know. We crop it, we net it, you know, we're like the RCMP, we always get our man. Love it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. So what kinds of plants and creatures are you harvesting and or growing? Like what are some of your best sellers?

Oh my gosh. We do sell a lot of seaweed and ever since COVID came on, people were scared and holed up in their apartments and houses and freaking out where they're going to survive. And so a lot of people came to us looking for things like Irish moss to make sea moss gels and bladder rack and kelp. So that's certainly one of our mainstays, our seaweeds for human consumption. But the business started really on scientific specimens. And you know And it could be a teacher in Ohio that's got an elementary class and she would just like some real live starfish

to share with her students. So we put them in a box with some water, some oxygen and FedEx or UPS overnight. So a lot of marine organisms, they could be hermit crabs, they might be sea urchins. We go out and net up plankton, the stuff that whales and filter feeders eat, and we sell that by the gallon.

One of our biggest and probably the hottest selling item right now are fishing worms and our marine baits, specifically blood worms. And we're shipping these DTC all around the country. Great big worms, as thick as a sharpie and 12 inches, 16 inches long sometimes. So this time of year everyone and their brothers going fishing and we're getting calls

you know every five minutes and orders from the website. I was on your site looking at the things that you have for us to snack on and I you have for us to snack on. And I came across limpets or lim-pets, is it lim-pets? Limpets. And I have not known what they were called. I think that I ate those in France a number of years ago. Would those be the same species? And can you just describe for our audience what they are?

They look kind of like the the little hats that rice farmers in Asia wear to me if that visual makes sense. Yeah, they're really, if you've ever eaten abalone, it's essentially a mollusk or a type of clam if you will that only has one shell and they stick to a hard surface such as a rock, a shell, another organism and, that only has one shell. And they stick to a hard surface such as a rock, a shell, another organism. And what they do is they're going along the rock and they're eating the seaweed, the algae. And, you know, if you want to eat an oyster, there's two shells, you stick in the oyster knife, you pop it open. Imagine half an oyster always open, you just have to peel it off the rock. So these limpets might be the size of a quarter down to, I mean this morning we filmed some

that were the size of popcorn kernels. But inside is that fleshy foot, their gill, their gonad, and a really tasty, salty, briny little tidbit. So I'm sure, I don't think probably in France that they were the same species, but certainly would be in the same family. And then also I noticed the sea cucumbers, who's buying those? And then for you, how do you like to eat or prepare those? I know some folks in the office when they harvest sea cucumbers in Alaska, they'll scrape off the kind of slimy outside and then do them like clam strips, but in other parts

of the world you kind of eat the whole thing. So how do you do that? A lot of our customers from Asia want sea cucumbers, sea urchins, some of the snails we have, but with a cucumber, imagine a pickle. That's what the local fishermen call them. And we have some fishermen who drag them and some who actually scuba dive for them. But you cut each end of the pickle off, if you will, slit it up the middle, open it, and this is an invertebrate. It has no skeleton, right? So it has a very thick, tough skin. And in the absence of a skeleton, the muscles inside are pulling against this tough skin,

and that's what allows them to move. But they're related to starfish and arches and sand dollars they're in the Echinoderm family and all that's in there is like the most basic organism in fact sometimes I think man you're nothing but a gut and a gonad. If you think that's what a cucumber is on one end it, it has a feeding apparatus. On the other end, it's excreting its waste. And then inside is that thin sheet of muscle that kind of reminds me of like a kid's raspberry fruit roll-up. So when you open the thing up, you have to scrape off this thin sheet of meat.

And since that sheet of muscle is pulling on the skin, it curls up totally like a fruit roll-up automatically because there's nothing to pull against. And then you could cook that, saute that, like anything, but it's really crunchy. It's kind of like, in my mind's eye, when we've eaten it and our kids have eaten it, it's almost like you're chewing on cartilage. It really kind of pops in your teeth And then the skin itself is boiled and dried and then shredded up and served You know like on a on top of a seaweed salad and we've never actually eaten much of the skin But it's a very tough organism Did you ever describe some of your biology students in the same manner just just a

mouth some of your biology students in the same manner? Just a mouth, gut, gonad, sphincter? Tenth graders, right? You're nothing but a gut and a gonad. Yeah. They like that. In fact, years ago, I tried to convince my wife or decide on the first name, Nad, for one of our children. I thought, well, Nad, can you imagine? If they're an athlete? Go Nad, go Nad, go Nad. I care about my students and they're like Mr. Sheehan you gotta do that, you gotta do that,

but it never came to fruition. Oh funny. I love it, I love yeah, so what what's the like the favorite thing? What what is? In in the tide pool Tim world. Yeah, what's the the favorite? critter to go after For meat eaters, but our top product really is Irish moss. It's a short red Marine algae that has carrageen in it, which is a natural thickening agent. And you've probably heard of this in your supermarket or maybe natural food store, but sea moss and sea moss gel.

A lot of people, especially in North America, are getting on to eating seaweeds as a regular part of their diet. So we go out actually in this bay here at very low tide. And here's this red fuzz growing along the rocks. And we use a cutter to cut it off. We rinse it out, bring it back to our base into a greenhouse, spread it out on tables and dry it out. And when we're shipping it to our customers,

it's usually typically a half pound or pound of this dry. So the home consumer will take it, put it in a Vitamix or a blender with a little bit of water, some lemon or lime juice, and just kind of pulse it a little bit. And it's the coolest thing. The seaweed gets liquid, turns into a liquid, and then immediately just gels up like pudding. And it has a beautiful red-pink color to it. The Irish moss that we have here in the industry is called purple sea moss. And a lot of the moss that's out on the market comes from the Caribbean type areas. And they have a golden colored sea moss.

But the same thing, you have a seaweed or a marine algae that's got carrageenan in it. And our customers swear by having a tablespoon of this gel in their regular smoothie or in their soup or whatever they're cooking every day And I mean, it's the weirdest product Once again, it kind of hit us around COVID because I when the kids were young I made a YouTube video for my YouTube channel about Irish moss and all these new customers kept calling Hey, I watch your video. I want some of this moss, you know, I wanna save my life. And people call and they're crying,

people are sharing this moss with their whole church, their neighbors, people calling and saying, it's cured them of skin problems, COVID, like everything under the sun, like it's a cure. So, and I know that's a lot of anecdotal kind of stuff, but people swear by the effects of eating this Irish moss. And really that's our number one product right now. Cool.

Probably our fishing worms, our blood worms. Oh yeah. Yeah. I like, I like the balance there. Health and, our blood worms. Oh yeah. Yeah, I like the balance there, health and beauty and blood worms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I know where Eileen, personally. Yeah. Yeah.

We have so many categories of products, bait and fertilizer and food and science and research and that it just makes for a really fun day because each morning I get on my laptop and I look at my orders and I go, oh geez, I gotta go pick five pounds of moss and they need to run over here and pull these traps to get 12 herm crabs and then I'm gonna run to this other dock and get some sea anemones. So it's really, you know, in terms of what we've created with Gulf of Maine, it's just like every day is a holiday.

It's always fun. It's always exciting. And then we're able to populate our Instagram with all kinds of amazing content every day. It's always fresh. It could be a dead seal washed up on the beach. It could be, you know, some bald eagles fighting over a dead eel

on the rock weed. It's just so much variety. And, you know, we hunt, we fish, we forage, we eat mushrooms, we eat seaweeds, we, you know, it's really kind of a fun way to raise our kids and to just go about each and every day. And we're making really good money. I mean, it's amazing how this stuff that's just lying around here in this bay. This is our virtual warehouse, if you will. And every day, whether it's 20 below zero or it's 70 degrees out, I gotta be out here

picking and collecting and sort of sending these boxes out all across mostly North America, but sometimes into Europe. Do you have internships available? Yeah, in the summertime and we just, we don't put out anything formal. We kind of wait for motivated students to get ahold of us and say, Hey, I'd like to come and hang out with you guys. What do you got? You know?

Um, and we've had students from all around the country come. So if there's any listeners looking for a fun, you know, variety field summer, hit us up. At Tide Pool. Heck yeah. Well, Tim, Tim, thanks for joining us. Can you tell quickly if folks want to learn more about Gulf of Maine, where they can find you?

Yeah, I mean, we have a great website and you can order all of our products. It's gulfofme.com. We have a nice Instagram for Tide Pool Tim and It's gulfofme.com. We have a nice Instagram for Typool Tim and also at gulfofme for the business. And then we have some TikTok postings and also my YouTube channel. So yeah, all kinds of good stuff there.

Some of it crazy, some guts, some gonads and a whole lot of fun. Sounds perfect. Heck yeah. Well, thank you so much, Tim. Thanks, Tim. See ya. I think I'm going to order myself some sea cucumbers

and limpets. Maybe that's special mom. Get some blood worms up in here. Yeah, do some dead drifting. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like it. It would be good steelhead bait, I guarantee it. I love how I go for the health and beauty and snacks

and you guys go for the bait. I would definitely get a supply of good seaweed too for making poke and all that good stuff. Yeah. Gang, what do you wanna do? Do you wanna go do Randall's segment of Fake News? Let's fake news it. How dare you, Fake News?

Or do you wanna do listener feedback? How dare you? Yeah. Fake news? Or do we want to do listener feedback? Let's do fake news. You can do anything you set your minds to, guys. You can do anything you set your minds to, guys. I love it! Oh my gosh! Yes!

Beautiful Phil. Give it up for Phil, everybody. Thanks, that was a fun one. Oh my goodness. So in this segment of fake news, I'm going to share a selectively edited hunting or fishing-related headline from the news while Cal and Corinne attempt to fill in the blank with the multiple choice options. Only one of your choices is true, according to this news article.

Phil, let's hit him with number one here. French Hunter 81 on trial for killing endangered blank. Is it an endangered lynx, an endangered duck, an endangered frog, or an endangered bear? Ooh, got a little sound effect too. I think this segment is shaping up nicely, Phil. It's coming together. Do we say our answers at the same time?

Whenever you're ready. Whenever you're ready. C, frog. D. We have our answers frog and bear one of you got it right The answer is bear. Oh The headline reads French hunter 81 on trial for killing endangered bear that attacked him. This was reported by the Guardian Andre Rives assumes how you pronounce it was boar hunting in the Pyrenees Mountains

When a female bear named Caramelis attacked him. He surprisingly encountered the cubs and was then charged and dragged by the bear by his leg before he shot it. He sustained injuries and had to be evacuated by helicopter. An investigation revealed that the bear was killed 400 meters, that's 1,300 feet for those of us stateside, outside of an authorized hunting area and in a nature reserve. Fifteen other hunters who also took part in the hunt are being prosecuted for various offenses including hunting in the Montvalier Nature Reserve, one of the oldest reserves in the Pyrenees. The hunters argued that the boundaries of the reserve were poorly marked.

Hmm. I thought that this elderly, elder gentleman was going after some prized frog legs. No. And they were going to make a big deal out of it. Yeah. You're so racially biased. Yeah. I think you, yeah, you keyed in on the French part there. That was the, I fell for the trick answer.

Well, very good, Randall. 81, man. Don't be 81 and attack. Was it a grizzly bear? Yeah, I believe it's a brown bear. Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah, a lot of people don't know. Brown bears in Europe, like, spit in distance

from major tourist attractions, which is so cool. So cool. But I wanna be 81 and be able to be attacked by a bear and drug and still. Survive and shoot it. Yeah. Yeah.

And then, then gets a flight out of there. He's getting ticketed and stuff. That's a hard old man. Yeah, hard old man. One to nothing cow. Phil, let's hit this second one. Blank responds to a story of pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania Game Commission. Is it Ted Nugent,

Elon Musk, Ellen DeGeneres, or Joe Rogan? Who is responding to the story of a pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania Game Commission It's a trick question. It's e all of the above Well, this is specific to one article that I found on the internet that may well be true But we're going with the article. Yeah, I'm gonna go with the teddy nuggets. Yeah, Motor City mad, man I'm gonna pet the okay. Hmm. I could see that too. I'm gonna lean To Ellen Ellen and Ted I'm afraid neither one of you got it right here. He's a busy man Elon Musk

This story comes to us from Penn live comm Elon Musk responds to story of pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania Game Commission a responds to story of pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania Game Commission. A 64 year old woman was arrested back in February for interfering with the Pennsylvania Game Commission authorities as they attempted to take away a pet deer named Baby. Baby was a wild born deer which made it illegal to keep as a pet and had been castrated and wore a dog collar. Baby's owner, Tammy Sheery, refused to allow entry to the police when they arrived with a lawful search warrant. Elon Musk, the head of Tesla, SpaceX, and the Department of Government Efficiency, quote

tweeted a story about this incident recently, adding his own thoughts. Quote, the authorities need to stop doing this, end quote. His tweet kicked off a shit storm on social media with many users using the hashtag save baby And they shared the video of the deer being forcibly led away from its enclosure Real sad stuff. Oh, oh Busy guy the humanity very like you man. They need to stop doing this why I Don't know yeah, it's too busy Looks bad on cell phone cameras. Yeah. Yeah. All right, still one nothing cow. Phil, hit us with a third headline. Police say reported swimmers in distress turned out to be blank.

Is it duck hunters? seals geese or spear fishermen Is it Duck Hunters? Seals? Geese? or Spear Fisherman? What were these purported reported swimmers in distress? Probably in the Yeah, I'm gonna go with the go D Cal's going D. Corinne's saying B

Man blankeded again here. The answer's geese. Ah! This story comes to us from New Zealand. Police and a rescue squad responded to a report about two swimmers in distress near Ferguson Park in Toaranga, New Zealand. Helicopter and Coast Guard crews searched the area

for 45 minutes before the police gave the call to stand down. A police representative later stated that the search was called off when the reported struggling swimmers, quote, turned out to be geese. Nonetheless, the people who mistook the birds for people did the right thing by making the report. Well guys, it's a tough round. We've got one more question here. Let's see if Corinne can tie it at one or if Cal's gonna run away with this victory. It's a good thing I can't get negative points. I think my performance on this game is kind of like trivia. I wonder which one's worse. Well this is just nonsense. So a man went deer hunting and accidentally stumbled upon blank. Is it a mammoth tusk, stolen cash, a murder victim,

or a World War II era aircraft? I personally have done D. What? Yeah. Is this article about you? No. I'm gonna go with C. A murder victim. Ooh, spooky.

See you at the mall later. I think I was leaning toward B stolen cash B and C are these your final answers? Blanked again. It's a mammoth tusk. Oh, I forgot to get a screenshot of this one. Oh, that's Like I will picture it in our mind Oh, Texas This one comes to us from Popular Mechanics a hunter at the O2 Ranch in Texas near Big Bend National Park came across a strange fossil-like rock in the drainage area of a creek bed and took a photo with his phone. He then showed it to the ranch manager who contacted researchers to come take a look.

Turns out it was a single mammoth tusk isolated from the rest of the skeleton. After two days of plaster casting that tusk, researchers removed it for transportation to soul Ross State University in Alpine and I wish we had an image of that because darn it was a good-looking tusk Yeah, I really next time really blew it next time. That's a real dream real dream find fell like me Do do we want to jump over to? listener listener Do we want to jump over to listener?

Let's do some listener feedback here. We can do a few, we've only got a couple. Real quick, we're running late. What do you have to get to? I don't know, I mean, I don't have to do anything. Should we just go on until five o'clock? Yeah. I mean, like, who's stopping us?

We're not streaming anything else around here. Nick, Corinne, Nick needs some details about your Wadad Hunt next month. Will it be filmed? Oh, well, our colleague Cory is going to be along with myself and my boyfriend and he will be filming, he'll probably do a GoPro and a little bit of social media stuff. So some of it will be filmed. It will not be an entire episode. It started out as a personal trip and as these things go, the line between my

work life and personal life is kind of super blurred. So I was gonna say it doesn't sound like Corey knows what he's getting into. So we're going going to be in West Texas, close to El Paso on a ranch owned by the University of Texas, El Paso. It's a research facility there. That's all I'll say for now. Hopefully we all, the three of us get one. It's also where MacGruber played a tight end. A lot of people don't know that.

Phil, what you got? Question for Dr. Randall from Michael. In addition to the Longhunter's audio book, what are some other good books about Daniel Boone? Well, you've covered the essential source there. Nice. So I will add Robert Morgan's biography, Boone. And then there's a book called My Father Nathan Boone

That was it's based on interviews with Boone's son taken by Lyman Draper and and then organized into a book and published by Ted Franklin Ballew. That'll get you going How's that Phil? That was perfect. Man who knows his sources. Jack asks Cal, what are some things Easterners can do to help protect Western public lands other than joining conservation organizations? Oh, Jack, well first of all, these are your public lands, just like us westerners consider them our republic lands, just as democrats,

republicans, independents, all the colors of the rainbow, it's your republic lands. So yes, joining conservation groups so they can point to your membership as somebody that they are representing is very helpful, but at the end of the day you have got to notify your elected officials of your interests, needs, and wants. Right? And again, like we've been saying very consistently over the last couple of weeks, you can say, hey, love what's going on over here, but this stuff over here has me super freaked out. I do not like it. I love public lands.

Um, I understand the value that they bring to all of us Americans and, uh, I need them protected, not broken up something simple like that. We're all in this together, buddy. Fantastic. Awesome. Phil, what you got? Oh, we've got a few more, but, got? Oh we've got a few more but we've got a good friend and colleague in the waiting room I think we'll

hit some of these at the end of the show and if you guys want to submit some more questions send them my way and maybe we'll answer them at the end of the show. Excellent! All right yeah thank you for the questions and you're gonna have a lot more questions about this which I think is the point It's gonna wake you up in the middle of the night It's a real whodunit. It's a murder mystery brought to you by meat eaters own jordan sillers Jordan, are you with us jordan? Welcome to the show? Thank you. Thank you. Can you hear me? Okay. Oh, yeah, sound great

What have you been working on? Oh, man.. So what have you been working on? Oh man. Well, exactly what you said. Um, uh, last year I was contacted by a guy who told me about a murder that took place in 2003 in Virginia. Um, this murder was of a turkey hunter named David stack. Uh, he was 44 years old at the time and they never figured out who did it. And so I've been looking into this for about a year now. It's been pretty close and put

everything together into a single episode of a podcast that we're going to release next week during Turkey week. So really excited to share that with everyone. Hopefully we can get, I don't know, hopefully we can get some new leads in this case because it's been a long time since anything's happened. Can you tell us some details without giving too much away? Yes, so one of the big questions about this case is whether or not the person who committed the homicide knew what they had done.

And so there's some evidence at the scene to suggest that this person actually walked up to David's body and removed his face mask to see who it was and then walked away and never has never come forward, has never told anyone what happened. There's some controversy about some other evidence at the scene, a cigarette butt, for example. There is some suspicious, there were some suspicious interactions with neighbors that we get into quite a bit. You can imagine, you know, the neighbors are

who you're gonna look into first. It was on about 190 acres in Western Central Virginia. So there were some neighbors around other turkey hunters. There were some pretty suspicious things that happened with the neighbors. So there's a lot to dig into. It's just a single episode. So, you know, we're not going to do a whole season on on this one story, but there is a lot there

to talk about for sure. Heck yeah. And the title is Blood Trails, a Turkey Woods cold case. That's right. Yeah. And when does this drop, Jordan? I believe next Tuesday. Yep. It'll be the Tuesday of Turkey week, and we're putting it out on what feed It's gonna be on this feed the meat eater podcast feed So it'll come. Yeah, it'll come on Tuesday and we Jordan also

interviewed our colleague Brent Reeves who who is former law enforcement. And so I guess you guys went into a little bit of kind of analysis of what we do know and what we don't know, correct? Yeah, that's right. For those who don't know, Brent was in law enforcement for a long time, over 30 years. And so his perspective was really important for this story. The Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources, the wildlife agency there is responsible for investigating this case,

but they were pretty hesitant to say anything. And we talk a bit about that, but it was important, I think, to get that law enforcement perspective. What are the sort of standard procedures for a case like this? You find someone's body in the woods, what do you do over the next 48 hours, over the next week?

So we covered that. And then just getting a little bit more information about why the agency was hesitant to talk with us, to give us a lot of information. So Brent's perspective was super helpful. And he brought, you know, his usual good natured humor to that discussion. So that's that's in there as well. And can we listen to his magnificent voice on this podcast? Oh, wonderful. Yes. Yes, we can. It's it's it's a big chunk of the podcast actually. So that's a big plus. Heck yeah. Well, yeah, we'll be looking forward to that on Turkey Week.

Tuesday, you guys should all tune in and write us about what you think. It's our first venture into the true crime genre, thanks to Jordan's work in real journalism and investigation over the past year and we might want to... As per usual, if you solve this it will be the only murder mystery podcast true crime genre where conservation always wins. Exactly. We'll give you $500 donated to the conservation group of your choice. Jordan, are you hooked now as an, I assume this is your first murder investigation.

Are you hooked now in the, I mean, what was that like for you? Because obviously you're talking to people that are still like involved in the, I mean, family and people in that area, what was that like for you? That's a good question. Yeah, yeah, no, I talked with, so the person who initially contacted us is a guy named Kenny

and he was one of David's really good friends. So I talked with him, I talked with David's son who was there that morning. I talked with David's brother who was also there hunting. I talked with David's brother who was also there hunting and I talked with David's wife. So yeah, it was an interesting experience, a humbling experience to talk with these people who I mean are really brave in my opinion.

You know, this happened over 20 years ago and I'm asking them to dredge these things up, dredge up these emotions that, you know, I'm sure they would rather not think about that much. But they care about their dad, their friend, their husband, they wanna know what happened. They wanna know who did this. And so they're willing to go through that,

to tell us a bit more about what happened. So yeah, it was a really interesting experience and we'll see, hopefully we can do a few more of these if the audience likes them. Heck yeah, sounds like good, powerful journalism. I'm looking forward to listening to it and yeah please write in and let us know what you think. Thanks so much Jordan. Thank you Jordan. Yeah, yeah absolutely. Alright Tamer, we feeling hungry? I think so. You want to go to the meat eater

menu? Yeah. Oh yes. Okay. Bacon tastes good. Pork chops tastes good. Hey, sure that may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know because I wouldn't eat the filthy mother. Oh my me. Oh, I love it.

Okay, this is the segment meat eater menu where we talk about things that we've cooked. I believe, did Corinne and I share the only. No, I've got a whole thing here. Hold on. Let me, uh, let me send out a, uh, let me send out a quick text here. Part of my, part of my presentation here. So I'm going to get into a little dish we cooked up this week by way of a bison hunt that took place in January. My wife Sydney was fortunate enough to shoot this year and a half Ling cow on American Prairie,

part of the American Prairie Harvest program. And it was just a phenomenal experience. Phil, next slide. Our first dish that we made out of this was a tartar, the raw egg out of the Danielle Pruitt cookbook. Just a delightful little dish. Really enjoyed that. We used a piece of loin and whipped that up like the day or two after the hunt.

It looks beautiful. It looks like a cake. It's like in a mold and... Yep, yep. Oh! Then, next slide, please. I'm sorry, Corinne, what are you reacting to? Hold on, Phil, you're along for the ride.

I'm not gonna say anything. I saw something. We've also just done some pretty standard steaks. I liked this steak. I thought I cooked it well, so I just shared that photo. Next slide, please, Phil. That's what it looked like all plated up. That's a pretty standard preparation for us at home. Fancy. Next slide. We did some ribs. Cal was over for this, as was Cal's mom and Pat and Cal's aunt

and her friend. And we had a little dinner party. Cal's aunt and her friend. And we had a little dinner party, the eight of us. Next slide please, Phil. So we diced up those ribs and made a big old tray of ribs. Now finally, this week in honor of St. Patrick's Day, Phil, next slide please, made a little cottage pie and some soda bread. Oh, look at this.

And our good friend, friend of the program, Made a little cottage pie and some soda bread. Oh look at this and Our good friend friend of the program Chili brought in a hot plate of cottage pie for everybody to try here Dish of awesome peas and carrots and some potatoes layered on top and the real trick here the the Thank you, chili. I appreciate that He's been sitting by the microwave for a good 50 minutes so you're a good man oh I love it we all best not be sick because we're gonna be sharing that fork there I've left four forks out there yeah yeah I'm counting Phil the the secret ingredient cow do

you know what it is here oh goodness, goodness, that looks so good. Here, I'm just gonna use his fork. That is bison chorizo in there. Oh! Rather than burger, it's chorizo in the cottage pie. Did you make that or did Anna? Anna Borgman from Cass Farms made the chorizo. Oh, lovely. Sydney made the cottage pie and the soda bread.

So really, I have no hand in this whatsoever. That's real good. Is that the Spanish chorizo? Yes. Yeah. That's really tasty. Thank you. Thank you, Chili.

You bet. Snart. Handsome and helpful. Oh goodness, that's so good. Phil, you want a fork? Come on over. I would love one. That's real good. I'm gonna wander over here. Oh, and then Phil, if you hit the next slide. Oh sure, yeah, you want a fork? Come on over. I would love one. Yeah, it's real good.

I'm gonna wander over here. Yes, that's, oh, and then Phil, if you hit the next slide. Oh sure, yeah, hold on a sec. Sorry, sorry. We're doing this a little chaotic here. That's what it looked like. Sydney didn't like that picture because it has the takeout container

and she said it looks like we didn't make the food, but that's actually a takeout container with some pastries in it. I'll just let go of that. I believe you. I'm gonna find a handle for the plate. Corinne has taken control of the cottage. But that's actually a takeout container with some pastries in it. I'll just like Karin has taken control of the well here's here. This is actually convenient is one of the questions Kyle asked was he he wanted to know what's for lunch. Yeah

There we are a large piece. Now you can watch us eat on camera. Yes, you can get after that Sorry, low vision gosh and Cal thought I didn't prepare anything for meat eater menu That's just a whole story leading up to a tasty little dish that you can enjoy right here on meat eater radio live Mmm. It's got a lot of white pepper in it. No, it's it's it's oh, yeah spicy real good Delight oh my goodness Yeah, anything good. Yeah. No the the chorizo was an accident Sydney pulled out the wrong package, but I think it works quite nicely happy accident I grew up with a lot of mashed potato ground meat Combos so and love it. Good use for frozen peas. Oh wonderful

I have to step up my cooking game. Nothing. I've made tastes like that All right. All right guys. Very well. What do you got? It's it's a shame coming after that I Think the picture that I sent of the dish was after I had eaten most of it and then it was like in a little plastic Tupperware container. So I think that was what last year, about a year ago's hog in Texas. I don't know if that was my first or second Texas hog down south in, way down south in Texas.

Or if that was the one that we shot while podcasting, I can't remember. In any case, I cooked up, there was a pack of it in the freezer for a while and it just said trim. Trim for grind. But I really, I didn't have a grinder, I didn't really want to do that with it. So When I defrosted it I noticed that it was like part of part of part of the leg like what you do like a Asobuco with and so a lot of gelatin and tendon and I just decided to kind of Asian Poisin sauce, soy sauce, put a little bit

of barbecue sauce in there. I thought I'd just kind of do like a stew saucy type dish and throw it over rice and just lots of onions onions threw it in the pressure cooker And maybe there is a photo up there, but it looks honestly like That that's what was left out of From it after I realized that I should have taken a photo, but it doesn't look fancy it, you know look like a pile of Meat yeah yeah yeah that's the words yeah meat's what you're going for there poop in a little container but it tasted good doesn't look so appetizing

but it but it tasted fine I feel like a lot of my improv wild game dishes end up looking like that pressure cooker is a great tool brown stuff on a plate yeah great tool to utilize oh yeah then Cal I can bring up yours. Just give me one sec here. So I was explaining to actually put something together here and I have this epiphany of how with a little extra work, I can make it really good and that's the point at which I'm like, eh, I'm not going to do that. That looks like a banging cheesesteak. Oh, so yeah, this is just your, your, you know, French dip, which is,

was a real staple growing up. You'd have like your pot, you know, French dip, which was a real staple growing up. You'd have like your pot roast one night, French dip the next night, or Christmas time would be like a prime rib type of deal. Your wild game meats can be very fantastic deli meats. There's no reason to not just take a big roast and put it on the smoker or you know even in the oven and then just slice that whole thing really thin. That's all I did here and then yeah just eat it right over the stove. What do you do to make that au jus? Well, so the au jus, that it's just bone broth.

We gotta talk over the music so we don't get dinged. Yeah, this is great. I don't think I can adjust the volume in Instagram. This might be a problem. I just wanted to highlight the back choice. Talk over it so we don't get dinged. Yeah, just keep talking. That's exactly the mode you need to be in. That is the back choice. Talk over it so we don't get dinged for copyright infringement. That's exactly the mode you need to be in.

That is the good, good soundtrack. Just smash a sando like that, kids. Mmm. Looks great. I'm going to mute the audio now, but I wanted to give a taste. Yep. That's good. That's good.

Um, and then the, yeah, the auge is that's, that's bone broth. So I'll, I'll pack out as many bones as I can and then put those in a big pressure cooker and nuke them for 30 minutes and Then strain it out and can it So a lot of time with the pressure cooker, but do that. Oh and yeah, it's not I have like a couple of huge Elk bones that I haven't cut up. So I, Oh yeah. And that stuff is like so reduced that the, the liquid's like tacky, like candy. Um, and it just makes, yeah, it's so good.

So good. Get it blustery cold day and get some bone stock out. Or like when we make wontons, we'll make a ton of wontons and then just freeze them. or like when we make wontons, we'll make a ton of wontons and then just freeze them. And then you crack open a jar of your bone broth and dump wontons in there. And it's like instant wonton soup. It's killer. Really good. Really good. But hey, use your, if you get, if you're like, I'm so sick of having big roasts and things, just slice those things into deli meat. And it actually freezes just fine. If you vac into deli meat and it actually freezes just fine if you vac seal deli meat together which i've done for like a bunch of our shoots and and things because like always really depresses me to leave this freezer of awesome meat go on a shoot and the

first place you go is walmart to go buy a bunch of crappy deli meat instead of just making it at home. Yeah that's the point. Mm-hmm. Love it. Yeah, yeah. All right, those are our recipes-ish. Let us know how inspired you are. Yeah. By writing in because we love our instant gratification. Phil, speaking of that instant gratification, what's going on in the chat? Well, Colton asked Dr. Randall the movie reviews are a great idea. Any interest in a monthly book club? I think we've talked about this briefly, but there's a reason that we went with movies instead of books. Yeah, there's always interest in a monthly book club. I've gotten a number of requests for reading lists related to mountain men and long hunter things.

So I'm going to work on maybe a reading list for the website on those topics. And then maybe you'll just get a wacky reading list too. Books about dinosaurs and World War II and serial killers. What's next, Phil? Uh, Mogor, our good friend Mogor says, Corinne parentheses for your food picture, it's ugly, but tasty in my language, Rhonda de Phenom. I do not know how to, I can't do a Hungarian accent and I will not try, but he says, believe me, it sounds really good in Hungarian.

So he's offering some words of support. Thanks for that. I appreciate it. Shout out Mogor. And I will not try but he says believe me it sounds really good in Hungarian Thanks for that I appreciate it quite ugly but tasty thank you. Yeah, let's see Ron asks Randall have you ever had a Salins hot dog from Buffalo, New York? I Have not I have not but I'm intrigued I I will take this moment to shout out my friend Eric in Nebraska, who just sent me a whole bunch of Wimmer's hot dogs, which are a regional staple there. He sent me a few varieties along with some famous Nebraska sauces and Cal and I have been plotting up a taste test at some point. So yeah, I'd be interested to learn more about Salen's dogs, but I haven't been to Buffalo in a good long while.

So Ron, if you feel like mailing Dr. Randall a package of those. I'm going to, I mean I'd love it, but I'd encourage you not to after seeing how much money Eric spent on postage to send hot dogs across the country. Shout out Eric. A lot of hot dog content. A beautiful gesture. A lot of people don't know. In fact, my significant other was just shocked to find out that Randall and I met at a hot dog stand.

You did? Yep. And you'll die in front of a hot dog stand. Yep. Irv's Red in front of a hot dog. Yeah. Or herbs, red hops and ketchup. Dermond? Dermudonalee asks your face. It's Dermid. Dermid. Oh, I've never seen. He's Welsh.

Dermid spelled that way. Well, I learned something. Or Scottish. Great. Favorite store-bought fish coating. Like I'm guessing like a fry, like a fry coating, if you have one, because they're not too hard to make it home I would guess mmm. Yeah. Yeah I'm not too picky Try to find something that Seems simple. So yeah, they're you just like your old

Fish fry stuff. Yeah, not real helpful here. I don't know if this counts as a coating but the I like the Tony Chachere's Spice blend. Yeah Yeah, Tony's Tony's is good. Yeah, I don't think I've ever bought I think I just flour or cornmeal and Spice mix or yeah, I do scratch. I mean panko Yeah, a little bit of cornstarch and white pepper is a good way to go on a little garlic powder With a little bit of cornstarch and white pepper is a good way to go on a little garlic powder Rashad you asked a great a great trapping question But I will hold off on that until Seth or Steve are here unless Cal and Randall think they want to

I best I can do is quote Wayne's world on that. I'd take a swing, but it wouldn't be helpful to you Rashad My friend let's pass over it. I apologize. Taylor made outdoors Hey new meat eater fan was brought into the world this morning at 5 a.m. a month early. So she's in the NICU, but she's beautiful and will be raised with meat eater parenting slash children's. Congrats. Congratulations. Thanks for watching the show next to your newborn baby and your wife who was in the hospital. I know that from one of my many stays. Yes. I Like this question. I don't know how you guys are gonna answer it Brad asks What animal do you shamelessly wish was a game animal that is not and never will be? Real weird and interesting question. Yeah. Thank you

I mean the obvious one for me is wild horses They are That's a good there. they have a tremendous ecological cost. They're terrible for the health of our landscape and they're large animals that evolved on this continent. So there's, people have been hunting horses for a real long time, but now we don't, thanks to the Wild Horse and bro protection act. I'm going to think of another one that's weirder, but I'll turn it over to my colleagues while I chew on that.

Oh, I love that one. Yeah, that's a great. Yeah. I mean, it's like, you had this amazing vehicle that you could also eat. Yeah. And then emotions just ran rampant and it's like, oh no, that's not for eating. Have you guys eaten horse? Yeah. And then emotions just ran rampant. And it's like, Oh no, that's not for eating. Have you guys eaten horse? Yeah. Yeah. I have to. Yeah. Both like little like sashimi type horse and then sausage too. Yeah. Okay. I've done like, uh, like a prosciutto type cured

meat, cured horse. Yeah. But, but never a sashimi type. What about you? Manatees, panda bears? I think sea lions for us non-Indigenous folks. Yeah, sea lions would be. Yeah, cause those sons of guns, like you're swimming. Imagine you're with a bunch of folks that you don't know all that well, but you trust and you're

way off the coast of California and you're diving into the not great visibility Pacific Ocean out there and you go through the dark and the murk in the top like 20 feet of the water column and then right about the time you can start seeing some sort of structure on the bottom this big huge fang tooth monster pops up right in your face and blows bubbles at you and you're trying to control your breathing so as you don't die.

I'd like to just, I'd like to eat one, kill one, eat one. And our friend Heather DeVille was just telling me that the sea lions, they have a way more mild, more palatable taste than like seals do. Interesting. Yeah. Yep. Marine creatures. That's wild. Bill is asking, I'm sure directed at Cal, do feral cats count? Oh, feral cats count for sure. For sure.

That's another stigma we got to get rid of in this country. Feral cat should be shot on sight. I mean, period. And eat. Oh yeah, you can definitely eat those little disease-ridden creatures for sure. For sure. Yeah, they are vectors for some weird pathogens, I feel. Yeah, but-

Actually, we probably shouldn't eat them, because- Yeah, our pregnant lady, or used to be pregnant lady. She couldn't be around cats. So that's that. Yeah. But birds are not because they're a little disease carrying, but they kill a lot of birds and there are reports coming out all the time about birds being in trouble. Bird populations directly linked to the extinction of several species. And yeah, like we need, yeah,

we're prioritizing some little killing machine that shouldn't be there over native species. And it's insane. Billions of birds and mammals, small mammals. Yeah, good. Thank you for bringing up the cats. of birds and mammals, small mammals. Yeah. Good. Thank you for bringing up the cats. Shout out Bill.

He means that too. Good job. From the bottom of his heart. I'm gonna be selfish and steal the last question. Leland asks, what's the status of the meat eater crew D&D campaign? So I've actually been thinking about this a lot. Over a year ago at the Christmas company,

Christmas party, not this last Christmas but the Christmas before Spencer came up to me after a couple beers and say, Hey Phil, I was thinking like, how can we switch up trivia a little bit? I'm thinking like a, like a murder mystery party based on the fish heist, which if you don't know, some fish was stolen quote unquote out of the freezer in the office that Steve brought back from Alaska or something. No one copped to it. No one admitted to taking the fish. It's still, it's still out there somewhere or has been passed and is, you know, is, has been left to the grid, the great cycle. But, um, but we, it was never solved. And then

I laughed and thought, Oh, that'd be a lot of work. That'd be a lot of fun. And then about a year passed. And then just a couple of months ago, I had like a shower thought of like, man, that'd be a really good like D&D one shot. So I have been writing this D&D one shot based on the fish heist. I'm like 70% done. I've got it like all mapped out in my head.

I just got to find players. Cal, you're currently an NPC in the game, but if you want to be a player, I would love to have you at the table. Oh, dude, I'm totally in. That's so amazing. Totally in. Same with you, Corinne and Randall.

As long as you have the patience for a first timer. Yeah, let me get tuned up and watch YouTube videos and how to play D&D and then I'll be set. Yeah, so anyway, I'm really excited about it. I don't know when it's going to happen because I want to have a session where we play like a different game and teach people how to play and then jump into this thing. But if, if I get the green light, because I would like to record it and if we, if it's good and fun and we, I get the green light to like drop it on the YouTube channel, I would love to do that. So that's, that is what's happening right now. Anyway, I hope it happens.

Thanks for your trivia questions, Ewan. Yeah. So a big heads up to everybody. Next week is Turkey week. What that means is we in the MEU, meat eater universe. I like it. We'll be talking turkey all across the board. Turkey calling, turkey photos, turkey stuff. So pay attention to that. We are going to be doing some giveaways. There's a turkey photo contest. We are gonna give away a free to you. First light, Treeline Turkey Vest, which is a brand new vest. New Phelps Turkey Calls, I played around with some diaphragms the other day that were really good.

And the Mool Tree Edge 2 Cell Cam. Send your best turkey photos to radio at TheMeatEater.com, and if you think a normal grip and grin is going to win this contest, you're dead wrong. We want to see something different. A photo of your unique ornamental turkey trophy hanging in your man cave. Or lady cave. A fun pic, you know, whatever cave. A fun pic of your kids getting in on the action, or a breathtaking landscape pic of your kids getting in on the action or a breathtaking landscape shot of your turkey honey hole through the mist and under day breaks sun rays.

Interesting way to write that. We will showcase the top three photos during next week's episode. Hosts will then pick a winner to receive a prize turkey package, which means you get a tune in Be involved and you're gonna know live

Meat-eater radio live whether you want or not, which is always fun. I'll be I'll be one of the judges So if you have a photo that you think speaks to me and my sensibilities my aesthetic tastes, please Give yourself do yourself a favor and enter that bad boy. Radio at TheMeatEater.com. That's Radio at TheMeatEater.com. All right, gang, that's all we have for today's show. As always, thank you for tuning in. We'll see you again next week.

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