The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 679: Talking Turkey

Episode Date: March 24, 2025

Steven Rinella talks with Ryan Callaghan, Brody Henderson, Randall Williams, Seth Morris, Austin "Chilly" Chleborad, Phil Taylor, and Corinne Schneider.  Topics discussed: How Steve's dying but "not contagious"; Randall having a hard time shooting a flintlock; southerners always beating northerners in MeatEater's Turkey Calling Contest; new spring gear from First Lite, FHF, Phelps, and DSD; and more. Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YoutubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Turkey season is here and it's time to break out those calls Every serious turkey hunter knows every bird is a little different. You never know what will get them going You may need a trusty old box call Light purrs from a pot call or maybe some sweet yelps from diaphragms to seal the deal on that old gobbler But sometimes the hardest part isn't calling them in it's finding them in the first place That's where our locator calls come in. From crow calls to owl hooters, we've got everything you need to get those shot gobbles out of those old toms unwilling to give up their position.

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Yeah, get ready for a lot of that this episode. I'm sorry, I'm going to start off by telling everybody I'm dying. What's that? You need a loogie bucket? No, you know what? I can't work up any lugs. Even when I work one up, like, watch. You don't have pneumonia. Jesus. What are we doing? You'll know you're getting better when it starts loosening up.

I'm not contagious. Listen, even when I work one up, it's like I'm drawing it up from my balls man it's like coming from deep down you know I just want the suits at meat-eater to know when we're all out Steve wasn't contagious like we got sick somehow listen man it's not my fault I told everybody I'm sick there's like yeah you know I got him over here. I don't think Tough shit listen, I'm pulling it. I'm pulling that flam up my nuts It hangs up it hangs up around my sternum. I can't get it up. Getting old.

Don't have the strength. So you have a pill for that. Yeah. So yeah, the bucket, there's nothing that if you gave me a Luki bucket, it's a dry bucket. Phil, do we want to start this over or we're good? No, I think we're good. They do have medicine. Oh, I was going to say, well, it's humiliating for Randall's.

Randall, as much as he's like a gun nut and everything, what kind of gun you making right now? Uh, it's a, uh, I'm converting a HK USC to UMP. Yeah. Yeah. You don't even know what that means. Well I hope it's time. I'm going to get out in front of this. It's not a Flintlock.

What was humiliating for Randall's Randall trying to shoot a Flintlock. He can't get used to. He can't get used to the fact you got to wait a second. Most can. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, if you're going to shoot a Flintlock for the first time, I highly recommend you do it while being filmed by two people with Steve looking over your shoulder.

It just makes it for a really nice experience. It's hard for people to get over the little explosion in their face. Yeah. I, uh, we're going, I need you to fill out the frame because right now Seth and Calvin lonely over there Are you saying Rhino wouldn't have made it as a mountain man? You'd move on yeah, I mean I could see Leaving that day other than being totally humiliated I could see how it would be interesting to

Like get used to that and sort of train that into your brain Like if I if I had access to one and a little bit of time, it'd be fun to get better at it But yeah, it's it threw me for a loop It's key to have your system dialed where as soon as you pull the trigger the things going off Yeah You don't want a hang fire. The first two shots, I didn't even need to look at the target. I said this rifle was pointing in a completely different

direction by the time it went off. So. How many balls? I got some stuff to share. You guys want to try something interesting? Sure. Yep. So there's these dudes I know.

There's these dudes I know up I've bought there's these dudes I know up at they live there in cake, Alaska and they make um You're here sagebrush dry, you know that dry bag I have sagebrush dry dry bag Like like a real they make a really nice rubberized like it's likeersible dry bag. Like a dry bag, dry bag. Yeah. Anyways, they sent me, I bought bags from them. And they sent me, that's black seaweed they make.

Try that. Heck yeah. And this is sockeye salmon they make. And dry bags. So you just eat it. Yeah, try it out, it's good. It's interesting. I'm gonna get into that.

You know what we were doing that I hadn't done before? Smells like fat. Yeah. Corinna get a kick out of this because it's kind of Chinese, you know? Is it, does it have to do with- How is it Chinese? Sushi covers?

I haven't told you that. I'm gonna say that, I'm gonna- Kyle, you want some- Cooking up the, just like taking the kelp, just grab kelp out of the ocean. Yep. Were you there when we were doing this, Seth? Salty. But just taking kelp out of the ocean.

Oh yeah. Cutting it like noodles. No, I wasn't there, but I don't think. It's the easiest thing in the world, dude. You take kelp out of the... The tube part. No, no, the leaves. Just you find them, whatever, floating around.

My kids are always dragging them in the boat and I'm always yelling at him about it Just cut cut it into noodles and just steam them and put butter and salt on it. Damn. That is good, man It's like we did you don't need to bring any kind of vegetables up there Do you like that seaweed? I don't Hey Karin, I'm sorry. I'm saying this with the most love I can muster. No.

You need, even when you think you're close to the mic, you're never close enough to the microphone. Okay, look. Wow, man. I'm getting close and I'm chewing with my mouth. I can feel the love. It's like from a producer. I mean, like producer to producer, you know?

That's a real hit. Who's got a knife? Pry this stuff out of here. Oh, there. Oh, don't use that. God knows where it's been. So care of the good folks. I got it.

I got it. It's probably good stuff. Yeah, it's good, isn't it? It's delicious and it's like kinda, it's purple. See, when I retire, I used to think that you don't like it chili. I feel like I'm digging in here. It's not disgusting. It's not disgusting but it's like I used to think when I retired and moved up to my shack I was like all I need is like butter and gas

and vegetables but I don't even need vegetables. I just need gas and butter. It kind of reminds me of mears it tastes like fat like like a raw fat. Look at what Brody's making. I wonder if it's the salt, the sodium, and that sea flavor that has like a little bit of bacon fat kind of flavor. Cory, can you come into a mic here and tell everybody what's going on now with what your problem is. What's your problem Cory? Well I don't think I have a problem. You do. You gotta have it be that now the northern people get beat by the southern people at turkey calling. Oh well there's a lot more enthusiasm coming out of the south, I'll tell you that much. We got a turkey calling contest coming and it's my job to coordinate all these videos for this contest and all three of our southern participants, they were done weeks ago. Because they get excited about this kind of stuff. And it's already spring. Well that's true. I mean that's a good point too. Yeah. It's snowing out here right now. Yeah you could be ice

fishing if you were risking it or skiing but we're not turkey hunt yet. No, no, and they're the southerners Are you gonna film this contest on that? On your phone or you just using Phil's camera here. Oh, I got Completely pointless to look for turkeys right now. How long can mine be I? Mean just three rounds make them just This is a way long I'm only doing one round but you got to do a little intro like here's round one okay turkey calling sequence round two it's not like that though I can cut it up okay Kortez is trying to do his job over here

because here's my complaint about the annual turkey calling contests is my complaint about the turkey calling contest is that it's like it's like it's set up for southerners to win do you know I mean why don't you have a contest who can talk the most like Abe Lincoln there's something about I know there's something about that y'all that like lends itself to turkey calling There's like the southerners are always super good at turkey calling and then you gotta have down a northerner guys to play against them And he's not gonna win we're not the right twang. So maybe we should have an L calling contest There's just there's so much more. I mean like life in the north is just it's more complicated. There's more going on and you can't just sit back and luxuriate in calling turkeys. The Southerners are born with a call in their mouth and they don't have to worry about any

kind of bad weather. Do you know what I mean? Like here you gotta be, you gotta be on your game, man. Ice, cold, hurricanes, tornadoes. That doesn't count. No, they call turkeys right through those hurricanes. They just sit on their porch, like calling turkeys. And we're like, you can't go out on your porch a lot of the times a year here. Too dangerous.

Too dangerous. What porch? You'll freeze to death death a bear will get you so there's down here yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Don't be playing turkey videos in your computer. Right. Oh, I need to do another thing. One of the best movies ever. I'm playing Civil War, he is. One of the best movies ever.

I don't like it. I'm playing Civil War, you know, to set the North-South thing. Now what I was going to do, because I can't beat those guys on all their crazy sounds. But here's what I was thinking this morning. I was sitting there thinking about this. And so I started listening to like, why don't we compare it to what turkey sound like? Ready? Watch.

Here's a real turkey. You guys know J. Scott? J. Scott Outdoors. Okay, here, J. Scott, here's a real turkey. You can see the turkey on here. Okay. Graspy. Round one.

Here's a real turkey. Here's a Yankee. Here's a phenomenal turkey calling, I don't know what is. 3 minutes and 30 seconds Are you ready? Yep Oh Cal's going right now? Good night Thank you ma'am Diaphragm selection is really important So you want to get the one that has the least amount of coffee cup residue and seeds and stuff

And you gotta suck it off Where's that pack off that pack of diaphragms? I? Use all three of them at once he just stacks them in there That's a gobble Thank you. Are you going right now, Seth? No, I'm not part of it. You're not part of it. He'd probably win. He should be part of it. He might beat the Southerners. Not me. Hey, ready? Fine with that. Yeah. but did you really use all those I did But he's he's healthy I'd be worried about the inverse of that transaction, but What do you mean?

Oh, I didn't I didn't know that's what we're doing well, there's do your blueay crow call? I wish I had it with me if I had it with me Well, no, no, no, that's not my that's not my blue jay call. I don't have it with me I didn't know that that's what I needed That would be good. Or you got a car door you can slam real quick. Yeah, you should go out to the parking lot. What's that? You should go out to the parking lot and slam the car door. Or we'll go like this. No, that's that.

Or just go. Um, here, we'll try this. Just make some other... That might make them go, I don't know. try this. I might make them go. I don't know. Oh, like, no, I can't do that. Phil, are we rolling? This is so clear. Clear and a loogie might make

a show. To be a there you go. It'd be a I can't do a gobble That was great, yeah, there's Robert I like how Robert Abernathy does. He goes, Pow! Gaw! Great Cal. Waaah!

Doesn't he have to be like. Hold on Cal, you're going to have to do that again. Was that good, huh? Waaah! Hold on Cal you're gonna have to do that again. Was that good, huh? Wow You do one Seth. You just need to extend you. Wow Brandon why do you hate turkeys man? I don't hate them. I just Hate them. Yeah, okay, I think

I'd like to ask everyone to direct their attention to the television if if you would mind just for a second here Oh, yeah, there is the real deal. Is that good? Weird. I mean, the face says it all. So Cory filmed, this is from MeatEater Radio Live a couple of months ago when Conor Smith, who works at our store, whose Alyssa Smith's son as well brought in his pet turkey Brogan, and you had a comment about him you were like he's got hollow bones he's nothing like me yeah for the audio listeners ran that was a clip from an old radio live episode we brought in the turkey and Randall was staring into its eyes like he was looking at the

devil himself we just don't have anything in common what yeah why do you feel that you won't hunt turkeys, Randall? Oh, I'd love to hunt turkeys. Oh, okay. But how have you not gotten around to it? Because you're a spring bear hunter? Yeah, I like to save up my time for spring bear. And yeah, I don't know, I just never really figured it out. You ever see a turkey walking around

when you're spring bear hunting? Yep, and I run after them. I've chased a couple turkeys up a hill when they cross the road but trying to shoot at them. The idea is that's the general idea. You're supposed to call them in. Yeah no I just haven't haven't taken that step yet. Okay. Maybe if you got me out there. So you'd go you would go. Oh yeah I'd love to I'd love to have a Little turkey hunt put a turkey in the freezer. I like eating cows turkeys. Mm-hmm Yeah, it's the best. It's the greatest thing in the world, man. Yeah, I'm

Eager to eager to feel that joy for myself one day, but You'll never want to hunt bears again That's what I found. I found that over the years, over the years, my spring bear enthusiasms declined in favor of turkeys. I could see that. You know the thing about turkey hunting you can picture too, is you can picture that you'd be the time doing just what you want to do. Half the time doing just what I want to do. 50-50 split.

And when we're visiting our kids, it won't count against either of our time. And she still won't accept the deal. How does she want to split it? Because she knows that my time is turkey hunting. She's like, no, I'm not taking that deal. I'm like, why in the world will someone not take that deal? What's better deal than that? Yeah. Like a picture that. Half the time you can do whatever you want to do. And I won't say shit. I'd take that right now. I'd be like, oh yeah, that sounds fun. That's what I'd say. Just what do you think? Sounds like a great time.

What would you be doing on her, on her days? I don't know. Probably a variety of things, variety of things. She won't take it. Cause I want to have a camper and we're going to live in the camper and we're going to start in March in Florida. And then we're going to, every year we're going to head North and we'll swing to the Northeast.

We'll swing West swing whatever. And it'll just be like on repeat every year. We'll go to laundromats and do our clothes, eat turkey every night. We'll go to like internet cafes and email our kids. And that's how we're gonna spend our you'll have the deep fat fryer on a trailer behind that things up Seth you're headed out turkey hunting yeah Monday heading to Florida mm-hmm tell me about that so we're going to a guy's we're hunting some private down there. We're going to a guy that He he has bought artwork for my wife Kelsey in the past and he's been inviting us to go down there and

Haunt turkeys for like the last few years and This year we decided to go You know take him up on the offer but to go, you know, take them up on the offer. Uh-huh. Um, but kind of in some brainstorming of trying to collect some assets around this new turkey vest. Um, first like decided to film the deal. So. Are you gonna let your wife have first shot? Yeah, I always do. Are you hunting, uh, south of the Osceola line?

Or is it north? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know what I was wrong about? It's pretty high. Yeah. Is it? It's like, I used to somehow have it in my head and I think I've misled people on this.

I used to think it was like the north end of Okeechobee South. But it's everything except the Panhandle and those counties that are up against Georgia and Alabama. Oh yeah, I thought it was like the southern half of Florida. No man, it's like you go like one or two counties deep out of, the Panhandle is the eastern's, and then you go like one or two counties down deep out of Georgia and Alabama, it's all Osceolas. South of Gainesville, maybe. That might be a good way of putting it. But it's not a perfect line, but yeah.

Basically, you know, like once you're down in the peninsula, it's Osceola turkeys. At the end of the show, so we're doing Jordan's piece, Corinne? Yeah, we are. It's out on this feed? Yeah, we are. We're, it's out on this feed Tuesday, March 25th. Oh, but it's not just tacked onto this? Nope. Oh, okay. So, Jordan Sillers, who joins us now and then on the podcast here and writes up for the website,

he's got a, tomorrow I guess, if you're listening on the day this comes out tomorrow, Jordan has this crazy story he's been reporting on. Um, it'll be like a special drop podcast episode about, uh, true crime. Yeah. About a murder or not. Um, it's a wild story. A Turkey Hunter in Virginia. Um, this is a 20 year old cold case a turkey hunter in Virginia This is a 20 year old cold case turkey hunter in Virginia Shot in the back. Hmm

At daybreak turkey hunting And you wonder like well how many people could have been in the woods that day I Don't want to give too much away, but was he shot with a shotgun? No shot with a rifle, okay? But you can hunt rifles you can hunt turkeys with a rifle, okay? Gotcha his Shot in the back lodged into his heart wasn't it? I think the bullet was lodged into his heart, but his face mask was lifted up hmm Yeah, so lodged into his heart, but his face mask was lifted up. Hmm. Yeah.

So did he lift it up? Did someone lift it up? Did someone walk over and you get into like, well, how many people could have been in the woods that day? How could you not find who was in the woods that day? Wow. Like a small ass pool of people. Do you know what I'm saying? In this little turkey hunting area, they've never made an arrest. Yeah. It's real, real interesting. Jordan did some great work on it. Lots of interviews.

It's gotta be. I know you haven't listened to it yet, but it's gotta be. It's gotta be that it was a, mess when his decoy He was sitting there as decoys relaying. He's sitting there dead on the tree as decoys are out in front of him hmm cigarette on the ground But it wasn't the no one collected the cigarette and it was why don't you go ahead and give Jordan's podcast? We're easy to get a hold of. Love to hear about it.

But I don't think that what I'm saying is going to make people not go listen. I feel like I'm titillating over here. I'm hooked. Do you think it's like, are you like, well, now I'm not even going to bother listening now. No, no, I need to find all the, I need to know all the details. This day and age, it's just like, you go, okay, how many cell phones were in this area right now? We're going to start there.

It'd probably be a great place to start. Right. Yeah. Call on X be like, how many folks were right here? Yeah. There was, we talked, how many folks were right here? Yeah. There was, we talked about this long ago, cause we were actually gonna, when we started doing the close call series, we tried to track this guy down, but the, we tried to track down a victim of an accidental shooting

in a hunting incident, but he had died of cancer. Even though he almost died on the mountain one time hunting, but this guy was hunting in Arizona for black bears. Do you remember this story? Yeah. Yeah. He's stalking a black bear with his bow and he's right above the black bear. And all of a sudden someone from across the canyon shoots at the

black bear with a rifle. Okay, so it's either weapon season. He's stalking it with a bow and someone across the canyon shoots at the bear. The shot misses the bear and spooks the bear and the bear spooks right up through him, right up past him. The guy shoots at it again and hits the dude in the gut. Jesus. Ooh.

Bear runs off. The guy lays there and the shooter never comes over. He gets up to the top of the mountain, makes a call, starts trying to drive down, passes out, but they find him and save him. The bullet had mostly got absorbed by his belt buckle, but last rated his insides all up, but he lives. So they're trying to find out who did it, and what they start doing is they, the investigators, send out surveys to people that had bear tags in that unit. Where did you hunt? What days did you hunt? And then did a follow-up survey and eventually they had like, oh this guy was hunting bears that day in this area and

he was out of state and they sent investigators to the guy's house and when they explained him what happened, they, I guess according to the story I heard they knew he was innocent because when they explained him what happened he vomited like he was that upset about it. The archery hunter is all camo'd up and he just never saw him or something. Seems, it seems. We were gonna do a thing about it, but like I said, the primary guy had passed away young, like died young. So kids go listen to Jordan's thing. Follow up on your shots and wear orange. Don't just take pokes at stuff and go, Oh, doesn't look like I hit it.

Walk over there, look for blood, follow up. And if it seems like too much of a pain in the ass, chances are you're shooting too far. And if you get over there and there's a dead person laying there, make a call. Make a call. Call 911. Yeah, that's what I think. I don't know. When you guys listen, you'll know what thing. Jordan, I questioned this decision. Maybe Corinne, you can shed light on it. He, um, he redacts a lot of names. Why is he redacting all the names? Um, Did that come at the recommendation of legal counsel?

I'm not sure. I could check with him. I don't know. You mean like other names of people who are investigated? Like of the characters kind of surrounding the incident. He redacts their names. I didn't go into that with him. Maybe because it's unsolved. I don't know. Sorry I'm not being very helpful. No, you're not What's it called what will it be called blood trails Yeah, it's called blood trails blood trails. So check that out 20 year old turkey hunting cold case Which cow seems like it'd be real solvable yeah, and it's just

Question mark Yeah, and it's just question mark. Well, I don't want it until our listeners here. Yes. Yep. Then you, one of you may know exactly who it is. If you've hung around with a lot of old turkey hunters, you have no doubt encountered those little plaques where you take a turkey's leg and foot and bend its fingers and dry its finger. So the turkeys give you the bird.

And it's funny because it's like the bird, but he's giving you the bird. It's funny because it's like the bird but he's giving you the bird. Well check this out we just made a turkey call called the bird and the artwork is a turkey's foot giving you the bird. Not only does it look great it sounds great. This is a call that idiots can make good turkey sounds on. It's got a machined polished

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little spot, you're gonna make great turkey sounds. Trust me. Find your new turkey pot call and a full assortment of meat eater and Phelps turkey calls at PhelpsGameCalls.com. Check this out. the first time, so this year I put a thing on Instagram where some guys I know, some houndsmen I know who are commercial fishermen in Michigan's Upper Peninsula but in the wintertime they like to chase bobcats with dogs. This buddy of mine sends me a video from Mackinac County in Michigan's upper peninsula of a lion, a mountain lion, in a tree in Michigan. After that, the

DNR, Department of Natural Resources, they went out and verified, like they wanted to see where it was and what happened, and they went out and verified, like they wanted to see where it was and what happened, and they went out and verified it. Right? That it was legit, legit location, tracks, everything made sense, and there's a lion there. And this is something that people have long been saying, that there are lions in the UP. Like how people are saying there's lions all over the place. And for the longest time, 20 years ago, you had guys way outside of mountain lion territory, way outside of, um, cougar territory would be like, Oh, I saw a mountain lion. And it was always the same thing. It was, um, no, you didn't.

You saw an escape pet, right? Like this idea that just like escape mountain lion pets running all over the place. You never see like actual pet mountain lions, but somehow there are many, like you're never like at your buddies. He's like, here's my pet mountain lion. But somehow there are hundreds of escape pets, even though no one has like the actual pet mountain lion. Like there's a lot of dogs running around the woods. There's a lot of dogs in people's houses. So it all makes sense. Mountain lions might just be better at escaping. You got pet dogs and then you got feral dogs,. So it all makes sense. Mountain lions might just be better at escaping. You got pet dogs and then you got feral dogs, but somehow it's just all feral

lions, but there's no pet lions, but they're all escape pets. Long story short, um, first confirmation in a hundred years in the UP in Michigan, two mountain lion kittens in a hundred years. Verified. Verified. Michigan, two mountain lion kittens in a hundred years. Verified. Verified. But they haven't been seen, yeah, verified, but then what was it? They haven't yet been hit by a car.

Yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah. Is that the video of them, little ones on the side of the road? Yeah. Dude, it's like, it's unbelievable. So, probably like a while ago, one got killed in Connecticut. One showed up in Minnesota. And a lot of times this is lions coming out of lions coming

out of the black Hills coming out of Western Nebraska. And if you look at a, if you go get yourself a map, you can see how that sucker, how they're going. You could picture how they're going because they're showing up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. So they're going like from the Black Hills across into Northern Wisconsin and then traveling. And this one that I had the video of was in the Eastern UP.

So traveling across the top of the UP, probably like flirting up with Ontario, whatever, going across, and it would always be the story is like juvenile males will strike out and colonize new territory, or they'll want their own territory and so they'll go and presumably they go off in these weird-ass places and never find a mate. And then they kind of have like, they're like a genetic dead end, right? And so when you find these way out there lions that are way out of territory,

there's this thing that like, oh, it's probably an escape pet. And then if it's not that, be like, oh, it's some crazy juvenile male that wandered way outside of its range. But obviously a female went, and then you got to think, and that low density, how like, how phenomenal must they be at finding each other? Maybe that, like, I mean that female might have been impregnated in Michigan. It's like she didn't necessarily like, you know what I mean'm sure. I would imagine. Yeah.

But then like regardless of how low density, how, like, how do they find each other? Well, yeah, man. I mean, it's like, you can get dropped off in the biggest wilderness ever. Right. And be like, Oh, here's a good way to go find game. And you strike out on that trail and you can find a boot track of somebody else who did the same thing. Right. And be like, Oh, here's a good way to go find game. And you strike out on that trail and you can find a boot track of somebody else who did the same thing. Right. Cause it's just like how predators move.

You get up on the ridge, like, shit, cigarette butt and a couple of 30 out of six, how did anybody else think of this? Yeah. Right where I was, right where I was going to walk. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible to think about but now they're there. I bet there's a lot of guys that are pissed. There's a lot of guys that are pissed because you already have um,

extreme low deer densities. Yeah, lower deer densities got a lot of wolf problems. Um, how would they like, how would they be classified? Like if they, if a breeding population like gets going in Michigan, how are they going to classify? That's a great question. I don't know what the economist is. Yeah. Just being non non-game species right now, but I'm sure they try to put some sort of protection protection on them or, or not, right? Or they make the decision that this is just not something we're going to deal with. Yeah. Cause man, I don't think you look up, someone try to find it.

I'm guessing you can't just shoot a line in Michigan right now. Probably under the self-defense and defensive property rule, you could, Oh, if it was messing you up or messing up your cow and killing your chicken. Got you. Yeah. I mean, like if you were out running bobcats and you treat a lion,

my guess is you can't shoot it because how are you looking up what the season is? Well, if it's not listed as anything, does that mean? Yeah, we'll find out because if right, because like the state of Wyoming, like they have a they have game species and then they have Vermin's that you are shot year-round without restriction. They're classified. They're classified as an endangered You are shooting them that's probably like a state endangered species now Endangered mammals in Michigan meaning it's illegal to hunt or harass them which includes trying to locate their den my old man always had a good story you know the fallow deer is so my dad had a spot he was hunting this was

in Illinois he had a spot he's on and there's a big arboretum near there and they had all these like fallow deer sort of as a decoration. Menagerie. On this arboretum. Wait aren't those from overseas? They're Eurasian deer. Oh yeah. Like kind of white. And some of this, some of the fallow deer had gotten off the arboretum and were just running around and so my dad was calling be like can I shoot one of these deer or not? And at the time, like they had Illinois had like a wild deer, they had a deer. So even in your, in your regs, it didn't say like white tail deer. Cause like, you know, what, what are you not trying to draw this? It was just a deer. And so he called and the best answer they would give him is like, it says a deer.

If it's a deer. So he always had this picture of, he has, I should find it. He had this great gripping grin where he's got his recurve and he's got a fallow deer. You know what he used to hunt, man? It was funny as, and it's a good idea. He used to have a spot he'd hunt where he'd get on a highway. And at some point he'd pulled off at a rest area and got to walking around the rest area and saw a bunch of deer signs.

It was like, he showed me, it was not too far from where I grew up. There's a rest area and it's all just like state land area on the highway, and then there was corn fields up above there. And he would get off at the rest area and park, kind of like he was at the rest area, wait till the coast was clear and then slip up in the woods and sit at a tree stand at the rest area,

and then get back on the highway and like go down to the next exit and sneaky little spot. Sneaky little spots. I see a lot of rest areas and I wonder about that. Um, okay. Seth, you're going hunting. We talk about that. Randall hates turkeys. Talk about that tick prevention. I got it. My program is dialed. What is it? Who wrote that down? Who wrote down that? What do you do? Do

you feel your program is dialed? No, not at all. It's something I don't think about until I'm on the ground. And then I'm like, Oh man, this is now I'm going to be creeping and crawling. But I'm all because I don't, yeah, I don't know all the normal things don't like DEET. I'm always like, Oh, I'm going to get that permethrin stuff. And that stuff works. I take the heavy chemical approach and I'll tell you, I'll tell you a little bit about my background. Just don't inhale that when you breathe it all, I mean when you spray it all over your... Let me tell you though, I had, okay, my, when my boy was three, talk about this all the time, when my boy was three he had Lyme disease, developed Bell's palsy, so he developed the the time, when my boy was three he had Lyme disease, developed

Bell's palsy, so he developed the facial paralysis, a lot of, had a lot of problems. I had Lyme disease and had to go through the intravenous antibiotic treatment where they put the pick line in your heart and a fucking hose coming out of your arm, shooting those cylinders, all that shit in there every day. Had to be where, couldn't ride my bike, had drawn a mountain goat tag and couldn't even hunt the tag. I couldn't go down steps without holding the handrail.

Driving down the road, it messes with your joints so bad. I couldn't rest on the windowsill. I couldn't rest on the center console because it was like just too like excruciating. Okay. So all that, what I'm setting up there is like the risk of using some chemical stuff isn't as real to me as is the risk of getting tick-borne pathogens. That's understandable. It's not, oddly enough, it's the way I take care of things.

And like a big old deep filled canister that erodes through everything once deployed. Yeah. Like that's my problem is like it rattles around in the back of the truck. Eventually like the cap goes off and it sprays all over everything. And then you got holes in clothing or a whole spool of fish and line. I've had tackle boxes over the years that have turned into melted plastic. I had one open up on a caribou hunt and I had one open up on my phone and actually

warped my phone case. Like the phone case warped. So you're not buying the permethrin? No, I haven't gotten to my formula yet. Oh, you're going double formula. I do, and it takes discipline. You do deep woods off. I do permethrin on my clothes, and I do it like you're supposed to do it.

I do it ahead of time. Like I said, it takes discipline. Do it ahead of time and let it dry, okay? So I'm not wearing the shit wet, and that's how they recommend it. So I do all my clothes in permethrin. Then every morning, this is the painful part. This is the part you don't want to do because it's just, it's annoying. Every morning I do my ankles and deep. I do my waistline because of chiggers. I hate chiggers. I do my waistline

and deep on your skin, on my skin. Whoa. All right. I do deep. I plaster my waistline and deep. On your skin? On my skin. Whoa, all right. I do deep, I plaster my waistline, I plaster my ankles and deep, and I got permethrin on my clothes, and I'm telling you, and I am a tick chigger magnet, I have shut that shit down. Wow.

Shut it down. Yeah. Hot tip. Me and Seth did a bunch of permethrin one time, we were watching ticks climb on us and dive. We did a bunch of permethrin. Never heard of Seth? It was a wild time. At that music festival. When Seth and I were in Pennsylvania last fall, woodcock hunting, like our buddy's dog had hundreds of deer ticks on it, like every day. And we were using, I was using permethrin.

It works. Yeah. Yeah, that's an area where when they do tick studies, they typically come back 100% positive for Lyme. Oh. Yeah, when I got it, I got it in Hudson Valley, and I think at the time they were saying that three quarters of all ticks had the pathogen.

I just read they found a tick in Montana that they believe had Lyme disease. Really? Don't say that. What kind of tick? It had to be a deer tick. I'll have to find it. What about that stuff they give dogs? That always creeps me out. Dogs seem to be totally fine, but the tick goes up, bites into the dog and then dies and drops off the dog. Took me and Seth clothes.

I'm like, yeah. Yeah. What's the human version of that? Yeah. I've thought about that. I mean, if someone could invent that for mosquitoes, yeah. Rich man. Yeah.

Um, chili, how you doing? You just sitting down there. Yeah. I'm just, yeah. People are talking. Okay. Are you going to turkey hunt this year? Chili?

Uh, I plan on it. Yeah. I want to go back home, back to the hills and try to Get a tag or my I think my brother applied it so if he gets one I'll probably go back with them No, but that's where I'd like to go what what was your program? Not not for ticks, but just for those flowing locks You're developing is it like a standalone conditioner shampoo? Main and tail baby. Main or shampoo.

Really just main and tail all the time. Yeah. You don't even need water with that. No you don't. You just throw it on there. Murdocks. Let it dry. He's the only guy if you had to get a permit to have long hair he's the only guy to issue

the permit to. Yeah. I think I told a few people this story. I cut my hair I think once since working here and I cut it like I had trimmed up the mustache, cut the hair real short. Probably as long as Randall's. And I went to the store and Steve was sitting on the couch in the store and he's working on his laptop and And he just slowly turns to me looks at me and goes It's a bad move, dude

I was like, okay, I guess I've never cut my hair again Julie needs to look free So that's oh, you know, I was gonna bring our ticks All right when we were watching I don't if you remember this Seth me and Seth are sitting watching ticks crawl on our clothes And fall off like they'd pass out. Yeah, and then we're sitting here and here comes a javelina. Do you remember this? Here comes a javelina walking along. Guess what the javelina is feeding on? I'm not kidding you, man. He is feeding on turkey shit. Just one shit after the other. We're just sitting there real slow. He just comes along and every time he'd find one

of the little turkey shit, he'd stop and pick it up and he was like targeting turkey shit Smack his cheeks together. I have a video of it It's pretty fun. Yeah smacking his lips eating turkey shit. Well, that's that's in that was in Texas Yeah, you guys are going back. We are week or week after right? Okay, who knows about the South Carolina Turkey deal. What is this now? I talked with some folks on this one last week. Um, actual, um, um, you know, biologists in that state. No, man, I'm looking now. I didn't know about this.

So, well, so, but here's the weird thing. Okay, so this would Change the regulations or it already has changed the regulations for the 2025 season to where it would no longer be legal to shoot Jake's immature Toms It's gonna cut back on my turkey harvest So that puts the onus on the hunter to identify a Tom that has a beard longer than six inches and a full tail fan.

So it's the combination, right? Cause a lot of full on gobblers don't have a six inch beard. Right. Yep. And so you're like, well, why would you take that opportunity away from people? Which was my question. But, and this is the frustrating part is it's like, cause your brain kind of goes to like, well, is it like a trophy thing?

Like trying to make, make bigger birds, which makes no sense. And it's like, yeah, why don't they ban killing longbeards? It is the time of year. They're not changing the season of their turkey hunt. What they're trying to do by adding this regulation is to provide more time for those birds to breed. Who to breed? For the, for, uh, by making people select for the toms and pass up these other birds,

they're allowing more time for breeding. Which to which I responded was like, well, why don't you just adjust the whole season dates? Well, I remember Abernathy talking about this, who lives push pull between start and turkey season so early. Right. Um, and guys thinking that they're starting at too early and the, the, there's a lot of these, a lot of Turkey biologists are like, dude, hunt turkeys as long as you want.

Don't start early. Yeah. And some say, if you steal a day, steal a day upfront, give them two days on the other end. Right. Plenty of states are doing that. Well, Idaho, Montana, the folks I've talked to, they're like, there's no, essentially no breeding going on by

the time Turkey season has started in Idaho or Montana. Like it's the bulk of the bell curve of the breeding is completely done. What? Yeah. There's still bulk of the bell curve of the breeding is completely done. What? Yeah. There's still snow on the ground. April 15th?

We're saying that the hens have been bred. What? Really? I'm not buying that. Yeah, don't. I mean, I'm just not. Question it. Cal's not gonna fight you.

Question it all. Cal's not gonna fight you this. Do it. Yeah. So they're banning killing jakes. Yes. Wow. Yeah. So they're, they're banning, killing jakes. Yes. Wow. Yeah. Which that like, it's like not being able to kill a spike elk. Like sometimes that Jake saves the day.

Here it like, I understand you're trying to preserve quality of hunt. So it doesn't make any sense that you'd say, okay, I got an idea. No one can kill a long beard. People would revolt. Right. But I wonder if the objective, what, I got an idea. No one can kill a long beard. People would revolt. Right. But I wonder if the objective, like if your true objective was to preserve like age class breeding turkeys, if that was the true soul objective, it would probably make you probably end up saying, no, shoot all the jakes you want.

Don't shoot long beards. There's a lot more jacks around freak out. I would freak out. As we know here in Montana, if you go out opening week and you're like, no, shoot all the jakes you want. Don't shoot long beards. There's a lot more jakes around. But people would freak out. I would freak out. As we know here in Montana, if you go out opening week and you're like, God, there's a lot of jakes around. Go back to the same spot last week of the season. You're like, oh my God, there's so many Toms around.

Magically, there's so many Toms where there used to be so many jakes. Looks like they also outlawed fanning and leaping on private. Yeah. You know, Scotty, you can't fan and reap. No, you can't fan in Michigan or Scotty anymore

after a few years ago. No idea. It's illegal in Pennsylvania. Yeah, you can't do it in Pennsylvania. So for you folks at home, what we're talking about is there was a there is a strategy. It is a deadly at times, a deadly turkey hunting strategy.

Is picture, picture yourself, you drive down the road and you come through old man Morgensen's- Pasture. Pasture. And lo and behold, 10 a.m. on a Monday morning, there's just a giant gobbler out there with a couple hens and he's just strutting his ass off. Out in the middle. Out in the middle. You're

never gonna call him in. You're never gonna like call him over to the edge. If you crawl out there he's gonna run away. Well what do you do? Well you get a big old turkey fan and you lay it down on your belly and you army crawl holding that turkey fan up and There's a high likelihood If you play your cards, right you will just crawl right up to that turn or he'll come running straight I'm running to you and you just stick your shotgun, which I have done You actually snake your barrel through the feathers and kind of rest Rested on the fan. It is deadly effective.

Guys are even taking it to the point, I remember there's these dudes that are all over on social media and everybody always has a conniption, but they make a hat, a turkey fan hat. Whoa. Yeah. And so it's like a little army helmet

and they crawl around with a turkey fan hat. Now people will look at this and bring up the very obvious point. What if someone shoots that thing? And if you haven't brought up this point, listen to Jordan Siller's new podcast. Yeah, about guy getting shot in the turkey woods. It's not only deadly for the turkey. Yeah, and then you get like in Wyoming you can hunt turkeys with a rifle. Can you still hunt them with a rifle in Florida? I remember they tried to go over there for a while. It could be, you know, was Abernathy, they got, we've had a couple guys

out and got shot hunting turkeys. I think Abernathy, yeah, Abernathy got shot hunting turkeys. I know guys in Pennsylvania got shot. Abernathy, he lifted his foot up to rest it on a stump and a guy shot his leg. I think it was Abernathy and then he's the guy said in interviewing his shooter he said man when you put your leg up on that stump look just like a time going in destroyed. Guys got some vision problems. I wonder if there's been any sort of studies done on like or trying to figure out what it is like triggers something in their brain that like takes over a turkey's body and mind sees that when he sees the competition man I mean that's all that's what it's got to be plus well it's the flora s

too man they are I don't think they're ever like more exposed than when they're in strut, right? So They, you know, they completely blind themselves from having almost 360 degree vision. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. So- A great chance to lift your gun up. So that- When he turns, cause he can't see you. Yeah.

Yeah. But outside of that, so it's basically signaling to all other birds. Not only is it A-OK, but there's like some hot hen action over here, too Mm-hmm, and I think you might be in a fight mood. I think that's the the combination of things, right? It's like it's a signal that it's totally safe. No predators around and Something really good good's happening and that's like the combination. This can't resist it. Yeah. I was deer hunting in Idaho one time and it was a limited- Damn sure weren't turkey hunting.

No, that's true, that's true. But it was a limited bull elk unit and we actually met a tag holder earlier that day. They were hunting down the ridge from us and we found a big bull and we went and told him, you know, he has this bull over here. And we sort of got set up to watch the bull and they popped out one of those like cow elk foldable decoys, walked straight to the thing. It was like on a big open hillside, we were on a big open hillside and there's a little ridge between us.

They walked straight towards that bowl until they could get out of site and then put the cow decoy down and shot the bowl. And I was, I've never been more nervous in my life. That someone's going to fill a cow tag on them. Yeah. And I don't think there were any cow tags. Like I kind of asked them about, I was like, you know, are you sure there's not cow tags here and are you sure that someone's not gonna mistake a branch behind you or anything for for an antler like I just don't trust other people out there but I've always been curious about it because it worked real well yeah but like yeah it was kind of put the ice in my veins a little bit yeah reaping is one of those things I would never send my kid out to do. Yeah. Cause you'd be like, you know, cause just picture the news article.

Yeah. It's just additional risk, risk versus reward. Yeah. And you'd be like, man, people would be mad at you. He did what? So you already couldn't in South Carolina in public, now you can't on private. I think this is going to be my prediction when I crystal ball this. I get this is going to be more and more and more and more common. Yeah, I agree. In the meantime, I would advise, I don't want to blame the victim here. In the meantime, I would advise people as we head out into the Turkey woods this spring Just don't shoot at random tail fans Or random movement. Yeah, kind of one of the first rules of gun safety. Yeah think about it a minute

before shooting at fans because it might be a It might be a reaper. Maybe think about it before you reaped too. Yeah. It's just not. Especially in the public. It's just not that smart. They give a definition.

Fanning or reaping is the practice of stalking a wild turkey while hiding behind a decoy or tail fan or an image or likeness of a tail fan applied to any material. I would carry, I kind of quit, I didn't really carry it last year. I used to carry in my turkey vest, I carried a fan. And if you cut a fan right, there's a way to cut it off the turkey

where you can fold it out like a pack of cards and it'll fold up real nice. I would lay it out and I had a little handle even. I had like a formal little handle, and I had a way you could open it up, and I had two wing nuts on a handle. So when you put the bolts, you put these two little bolts through the fan,

it would hold the fan open, throw a couple wing nuts on there, and it was meant to be my crawler or rounder. Never got shot. But you've stopped carrying it. I did. I did. Yeah. Not wanting to get shot. And then also I feel like some of the places I hunt you can't do it. You can still do it in Montana though. Texas, here's a Texas turkey hunt rule. This isn't terribly earth-shattering. Hunters must report

harvests within 24 hours for all wild turkeys in all counties. What did it used to be? I don't think you had a report. I just found that this morning. Yeah. No, no, no, you had a report. Sorry? I think you had to report hmm maybe they shorten the time when I went to the the state website I didn't I didn't see what it was before are they collecting data with that or they just want to know if you shot one yeah I think it's absolutely a way to see how many birds got swatted that year. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't ever recall submitting a report for killing a turkey in Texas. Here's a, here's a Florida rule coming up or Florida. This, this is a, your, talk about this Florida deal. What's the Florida deal? The no NR is the first three days of the season. Oh, no non-residents for Turkey. Three days.

So this is a good example of states watching other states do stuff. And I think South Dakota was the first one to be like the opening week of pheasant is for resident only. Unless you have private property access, I think. I believe so. Yeah. So all the public stuff is off limits to non-residents.

And I know Montana actually has a bill where they're considering a version of that as well. North Dakota just went that way, I think. And that's for upland bird species. But here's a version of it. First one that I'm aware of in the turkey hunting world. But yeah, give all the residents a first crack at those toms that really like to come out and stir out and rub it in your face. Mm-hmm.

I don't know that's anything to get up in arms about. I can't, I mean, as a Florida non-resident, I don't like it. Right. But I have to be honest about why I don't like it, because it's inconvenient to me. Yeah, I mean, it's a- Potentially inconvenient to me, but that's not how you can make, you can't use that as the way to make rules. It's three days of a five week season. Like I think it's okay to give residents

a little bone there. A guy sent me this article and he's like, is it the end of turkey hunting in Florida? You know, it's a bummer. I mean, if you're a non-resident, it's a bummer. But I mean like, dude, if I was gonna make a list of every advantage residents have over non-residents, I couldn't I mean like dude if I was gonna make a list of every advantage residents have over non-residents I couldn't find a piece of paper long enough. Yeah. You'd have to write it out on toilet paper. Yeah I mean it

does not get me all up in a tissy but. But I mean if I was if I was a resident I'd be licking my lips. Dude if if like, listen, if they came in in this state and said, Hey, you know, from now on, first three days elk season or residents only first three days deer season, residents only anything, anything. I'd be like, sweet. Because with a lot of stuff, with a lot of hunting rules, it winds up being that, you know, I try like, I don't know if I don't make sense. I've always thought there's certain, there's some things that are like moral, you know, and there's some things that don't have a moral component. They just have a, it's just like a strategic component. Like you can't get morally upset about it. I don't view this as a moral thing.

This is just like a luck or not. It's like lucky lucky or not lucky it's unlucky for non-residents. I think doesn't Florida cap non-resident turkey tags at like 10%? I have no idea. I think they might. Is it like the way Montana caps? With the caps in quotation marks? Yeah I caps and quotations, yeah. Um, I have no idea. What do you mean by the caps and quotation? Well, there's this idea that the math is as simple as it sounds of like, well, yeah, there can only be 10% of all tags going to non-residents.

Per region. But it's, it's per opportunity. What? What's that mean? It means that for every opportunity in that reg book, does cows, bulls, bucks, there's 10% of every opportunity available to non-residents. And then if there's leftover opportunities, they're open to whoever wants those leftover opportunities.

And there's ways there are certain categories of tags available to non-residents that don't count against that 10%. Like if you have like the Come Home to Hunt program. That doesn't count. Yeah or the like the Montana, I think they call it Montana Native. So if you're born in Montana but live out of state that doesn't count. I think like the college students that are here, like they're, they've created all these carve outs that don't count against that 10% number. Yeah. No, I'm not sure what happens if, if you are specific.

Yeah. If you're specifically going with an outfitter, I'm not sure where that lands either, but. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not a hard cap. Yeah. Yeah. And then like a state like Idaho, who's, it's, it's not a hard cap. Yeah. Yeah. And then like a state like Idaho, who's like same kind of rules, right? There's like a whole landowner pool and a whole, um, uh, outfitter pool and the math doesn't ever really work in the way that we think it does.

Kind of like the national debt. Um, in the way that we think it does. Kind of like the national debt. There is uh, Cal we're gonna talk, we're gonna have you talk about another one in a minute. We're jumping around state to state. Do we want to talk about the California thing or is it too complicated? I should find out what happened. It's pretty Easy, so marine protected areas, okay of which many exist in the state of California with various states of protections within an

MPA marine protect protected area going from you can still do fishing and recreation to you can still do fishing and recreation to you can't have a boat in there type of spectrum, right? Yep. And no take of wildlife. And do they move around, right? Like they open one, close it, open one, close it.

Well, that's an idea that started at the beginning of the MPA idea. Now we're in the decadal review period of time. And that's where the crazy politics come in, because it started as this, oh, this is going to get done really quick, and there's only a couple of people on the Marine Fisheries Commission that are going to take care of the whole thing. And people, once they started to learn what was at stake and all the proposals to expand MPAs and have like the most serious restrictions, like no boating, no fishing, um, then they were like, Ohating no fishing

Then they were like oh no, no, this is a big deal so now The amount of people paying attention Is a lot larger. So it's like the full Marine Fisheries Commission versus just just two members of the Commission and Yeah, it's it's a huge access, just flat out access to the ocean issue. Um, and it's a huge access to, to fishing and food issue too. And, and it, and it, yeah, it runs the gamut of like, um, you know, are we protecting Um, you know, are we protecting the visual, um, like the property values of very wealthy homeowners? Are we doing so at the degradation of marginalized communities ability to go fish?

Are we, there's all sorts of things that this gets into, but where we're at right now is, um, you can still comment on MPAs. There's a lot of petitions out there and it is not going to get solved anytime real soon, but you need to be aware that a lot of access and fishing opportunity, sometimes even like surfing opportunity, uh, is at stake right now in the state of California. I went and dove a walk-in spot last year out of, um, Big Sur. And it was fricking gorgeous. And fairly, I mean, I'm sure some people would think it's fairly dangerous. Like it's right next to like a juvenile white shark

area and Really cool spot, but that spot that nobody was down there using except for us Is would be a place that would be closed to expand a marine protected area really So basically all you could do is walk up and down the beach and nothing else with like the most Extreme level of MPA like public access beaches, right? Yeah, I think they should ban everything butt-fishing Yeah, and and that's the thing is They there's all sorts of arguments here of like, well, we want to protect areas for kelp because the kelp forests have been in such crazy

decline, but there's no evidence to suggest that MPAs have helped kelp at all. Um, the, the fishing argument, um, you know, it's fishing regulations, not necessarily MPAs that are going to have a factor in the health of your fishery. So it's really interesting, but it is like your public opportunity that's at stake there. So you need to get engaged. Um, and like California BHA has been really good on this as well as what is map bonds, all waters dot O R G. Those, those folks have been really good on this and they're putting out great

information, uh, and they're getting people to all of these meetings So connect connect with one of those groups and and learn more and see where you fit in who are the people that are? Pushing for it. I'm gonna hit you with a bunch of quotes ready. This is all quotes from the meeting One of the meetings about this Laguna Beach expansion One of the meetings about this Laguna Beach expansion. Someone says the current MPA in Laguna is a 10-mile fishing closure. Wow. 10-mile fishing closure. So they already got a 10-mile closure.

This guy's saying at the meeting, he says, the current MPA in Laguna is a 10-mile fishing closure significantly impacting our fishing area, not just for us, but for all local fishing boats as well as lobster fishermen. While we have all supported the existing MPA and Laguna Beach and have adapted to that closure over time, we remain opposed to any further expansion, and really we were very shocked to even see this proposal at all. Someone in favor of it says, this extension is a crucial step towards strengthening marine protection, preserving biodiversity, and ensuring the long-term health of our coastal ecosystems. Another guy had this to say, we just want to make it simple for people that this

is a no fishing zone. There's plenty other places to fish. That's a guy at the meeting. Another guy at the meeting. We'd like to have one little section of coastline where we can still enjoy ourselves, go fish and catch stuff and dive and have a good time. Yeah, because the proposed extension would make Laguna Beach's southern coast completely off limits to fishing. Another guy at the

meeting, don't take another healthy thing away from us and don't take food out of people's mouths. And so like that quote of like, Oh, there's plenty other places to fish. Right? Like that's a great example of, um, it's like, well, are those places available to who just folks with a big fancy boat? And it's this coastal access component

that, uh, people are really, you know, cause there's so many people go out and fish on the piers, but that type of fishing is not necessarily for everybody, right? And yeah, so lots of lots of arguments here and they've made a lot of good like grassroots steps into making sure a lot of these other communities with a vested interest in fishing and public access are actually getting a seat at the table, which is great. Okay.

Can we return for a minute to this turkey thing? The South Carolina one? Sorry, the Florida deal oh yeah proposed draft rule language okay so the point of this was that you can let your voice be heard and you could you could here's an email address, commissioners at myfwc.com. But would you, this is just a question. Would you feel funny as a dude from another state writing the wildlife commissioners in Florida

giving you your two cents? Anybody could take the survey. There you go. So here's a, someone drafted a note here, a guy that wrote into us drafted a way, here's some things you could say in voicing your concerns. You can talk about, while turkey populations in Florida are not in jeopardy, Hunter's satisfaction was reported as good or excellent by 63% of surveyed participants. In 2023, non-residents funded over half of all turkey related license costs, but they're only 22% of participating hunters. Okay. So half of the funding for licenses came from 22% of the hunters and residents are already gobbling up 90% of special turkey hunt opportunities.

Gobbling up. That was good. God, did I just make that up? I didn't make that up. I didn't even mean to. Something's in the air. Spring thunder. Norovirus.

I don't think I have that right now. So yeah, you can still let your voice be heard, but I would feel very funny writing it and being like, cause you're kind of like, you kind of like, like all your cards are on the table. You're like, Hey, you know, as a non-resident, here's my thing. Like how many dudes from out of state are writing in to say I think this sounds like a fantastic idea I think the first three days should be for non-residents yeah I got that I got a counter proposal how about I just get to hunt for three days yeah Cal what's Habitat Montana what's up with that? This is, we're doing, this is nothing to do with turkeys. Hey, yeah, so basically,

Habitat Montana is a big fund. Can I interrupt you real quick? Yes, sir. Gordy, why'd you dump all the weeds out? I didn't dump that out. Can you pass it over here? Just fell out. I would love to have some more.

Here, serve it up on that. Steve, will you rub your hands all over that stuff and then pass it? I mean, I was already sick. I'm not contagious, man. So we're just passing it back. I was contagious a long time ago. Here serve it up on that Steve you rub your hands all over that stuff It's good on that salmon as a little seasoning Okay, sorry habitat Montana yeah Anyway habitatana is a habitat fund Right. It's set aside specifically to address

Our like state parks maintenance Funding for Habitat work that can address like non-game species specifically. So it's, it's, um, nice to have that because then, you know, your hunter angler dollars, you're like, oh yeah, that's just going to go more towards game species, um, and, uh, access easements as well, right? So like getting habitat easements on working timberlands or agriculture ground so Doesn't get developed and gobbled up and turned into something non wildlife producing

This is something in 2020 I think We voted on, it's really the reason that there's like recreational marijuana sales in Montana, because they tied the taxes associated with the sale of recreational marijuana to this big outdoor habitat recreation fund called Habitat Montana. It got whittled away at a little bit because obviously people were like oh my gosh that's a lot of weed money

out there we could use for all sorts of things. So the last legislative session some some cash got carved out of it and now we have House Bill 307 that's that's happening right now it's in play right now in the state of Montana. Just looking to shit can the whole thing It would basically suck Philly, you know What's that great movie that we used to laugh about the the I take a straw

Exactly. Have you seen? I drink it up. I drink the old milkshake. I'm a weed man. Yeah. That's why I saw Associate JW. There's like a spoof on it called There Will Be Bud. Yeah. They do the whole trailer on a campus and it's all like a guy trying to gobble up the weed market on a campus. And he's like, I clear your bong rip. Which is very appropriate because we're dealing with weed money here.

Right? So anyway, voters of Montana came, came together and said, this is what we want. Got whittled away last session. And now, uh, in this session, it's going, uh, if HB 307 were to pass, it would remove this funding. To what end? To use it for something different? To use it for something different, which doesn't really even, we don't even need to talk about

because the state's operating at a surplus right now. So there's lots of money that could be used. This is money that's earmarked for Habitat. And then when you put it in the context of what's happening with the federal government right now, if the funding freezes and the fact that there is a huge question mark around federal funding that is typically available for Habitat work, like this state fund is very important. We're seeing a huge increase in the population here in Montana and a huge increase of the overall population that is using state lands. Um, so we had weed apparently. Yeah. So, um, we need it. Uh, I was trying to explain a little bit this to our day to someone. We're having a

conversation about state funding mechanisms, and I'm like with the feds Kind of setting the clock back to 1895 in terms of attitude towards natural resources Um this is gonna become even more important More important, and we're just seeing increased use too, so Yeah, it's it's a bummer that some folks think that this is a good idea right now. Recent polling data says 71% of Montana households use public lands and trails and this is our only like state funding mechanism set aside to address this stuff.

And it's been like wildly successful the way it's been used so far. Uh, we completely eliminated the, um, state parks maintenance backlog, uh, out of this fund. So instead of you like your hunting and angling dollars going to things that, uh, probably folks in this room don't use quite as much as, as, uh, the retirees out there. We kind of like the fact that our hunting and angling dollars are addressing the things

that we want, not some of the things that are being addressed in this habitat for Montana Fund. You know what would be helpful to a citizen such as myself is whenever you see a proposal, like we're always covering like proposals Let you know there should be a way that You know like there should be a graphic that goes with proposals and it'd be like the fire risk Because you know like like there are days that some gal from Florida introduces legislation to put like Trump on, on, uh, Mount Rushmore.

Okay. Okay. So what it would be is that graphic would be there and the graphic would be like at all the way to the left. Meaning this will never happen. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like, it's someone just doing a thing to, well in that case, it's just like, it's just someone being like a sycophant, right?

They're like, they're like doing a gesture, like, hey, look, look at me. Look how loyal I am, you know? And it's not serious. Like it's not gonna happen. It's not serious. Like a lot of PETA's work. Yeah, like PETA serious. It's like a lot of Peter's work. Yeah. Like Peter stuff, like, Oh, yeah. Here's a billboard.

Here's a bill to ban people from being able to say, you got your, your cart before the horse or whatever, you know, like to ban any kind of animal expression. So if you could just be at home and see a bill and it would just tell you, or there was an app that you could scan, you could like take a photo of legal language and the app would be like, this is like a not thing. This is a non thing. It's someone, it's a gesture. It's someone trying to make headlines. Pete Slauson Yeah. Don't burn your brain thinking about this. Jared Slauson It happens. It happens on both sides that someone will introduce some sort of frivolous

legislation. And then you see a bunch of headlines about it because the people on the other side want to bash that idea publicly. And it's like, Oh, let's just pay attention to more serious things. Right. It just sucks the bandwidth out of it. Yeah. And then that's when you hear people be like, no, they're trying to.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah. It's like, yeah, like PETA does stuff just to get, like PETA does things just to egg on. And hopefully get a headline somewhere. To egg people on. Yeah.

You know? And so they'll do a thing like this has zero chance in hell, but they'll do it. Cause also in there, there are the headlines. And it was like like that that Mount Rushmore thing, you know, it's funny I looked up and um, I Was trying to picture Mount Rushmore. I was like, would you put it on the right lookers right or lookers left? But geologists say just you can't there's no There's no like no this the rocks not suitable. Yeah, you someone's got to go

This is what I was looking for. Just so folks know it's not just here in Montana. Like if you recreate Montana, you live here, that right in, ask your state representative to vote no, or even a no vote, but a vote no on hb 307 We need dedicated habitat funding. It's the only thing that we have right now, but over in wisconsin There's a similar bill That would um

Would basically Stop the knolls nelson program, which was created in 1989. Um, people are really organized and aware of this one, uh, including Ducks Unlimited, Pheasants Forever, the Safari Club, uh, have all come together to, uh, make sure the Knowles Nelson stewardship program is renewed. Um there's some lawmakers over there that are saying that they're gonna stop it because it's just funding that they don't think should exist.

Is there examples in other states where the funds like these weed tax funds or like a lottery sales or that that were dedicated towards Public lands wildlife, etc. Yeah, they've been rated and put elsewhere Oh, I think there's there's a ton of examples. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So I mean like look at look at the state of Missouri Missouri's considered to have like a phenomenal, um, wildlife funding mechanism because they have an actual state tax, right?

But literally the year after that tax was implemented, there were people trying to shut that thing down. And every year people attempt to divert funds from, you know, what many people consider to be like one of the best wildlife programs in the U.S. But another one, New Mexico has like a sovereign wealth fund that's a taxes out of energy, which is a fund that renews itself and grows. that renews itself and grows and then that funding basically secures or is secure for like their school programs so that that'd be a version of what this Habitat for Montana fund is that is successful. That's baked into the

Restoration Wildlife Act or the Pittman Robertson That's baked into the Restoration Wildlife Act or the Pittman Robertson Fund. They baked into it language. And it's called like so-and-so's 20 words or something like that, right? There's like a name for it. Where it's, excuse me,

that it's written into the rule that you can't pillage it. Yeah. Because anytime someone sees a little pot of money they want to go get it. And I'm not sure about Missouri but like in at least in Montana I mean that was part of the that's like what people voted on. Like we're gonna do weed but the weed money is gonna go here. Mm-hmm go here. And I believe that the same is true of the sales tax in Missouri. Is that like, wasn't it a public initiative? Total bipartisan.

Yeah, and it's like, this is part of the deal, and then as soon as people get on the same page, somebody else is trying to do the run around behind the back and spend that money elsewhere. Yeah, I've always been like, all this legalizing weed rules. I could give a shit I don't know what was so bad about hiding in the bushes But I'm like well, yeah, man, if you're gonna use it for conservation money then yeah, it's a lot of sure go get hot Fry you're still I do is your theory still hold true like about democratic

and Republican states like legalization? The legalizing weed is, yeah. Like the lefty states were quicker to legalize weed. Of course. I'm just wondering. But I mean, isn't that just like accepted as reality? I know, but we kind of, we kind of showed that it wasn't necessarily that the case.

Well, I think over time perhaps, but early on. Wyoming's still holding strong, I believe. They don't want you smoking weed? I believe so. I'm out over my skis here. I drink it up. Yeah. Who else has got something? I drink it up Yeah

Who else has got something Someone's got it take me turkey hunting I want everybody to know that Corinne's the only person in the office He'll just put we have like internal communication thing called Slack and she'll just put out there, does anybody have any pheasant spots they want to give me? The thing is, I'm a girl, you guys keep me nicer than the gals. I know. The thing is like she absolutely knows it's not an appropriate question. But she doesn't care either.

It's like an appropriate question. Yeah, but she doesn't care either. I like somebody'll break I put on the charade of just going up. Yeah, never killed a turkey just putting that out there But I don't you know then follow up with the director ask Just sort of seed that thought don't you have some special gun you're gonna use for your first turkey If I can get it back from the gunsmith Great big one. Yeah when you were talking I was only half listening when you're... Yeah. Because I wanted to tease you about shooting flintlock. Sure. What is the gun

you're making? It's a very silly story but it's like a German imported version of a submachine gun that's civilian legal. So it's got a 16 inch barrel and the lower unit is different. So you can get a trigger group from the real deal, make some modifications, mill some things, replace some parts, slap it in there. And then you get a little bullet hose. And it's fully automatic.

No, no, it's just, it resembles the real thing. We were talking about breaking law for a minute. No, no, no, this is all above board. That's a, it's, it's a big, that's a big law to break. Yeah. Yeah. This is very self-conscious, but this is just, uh, and you're going to use that machine gun for turkeys. No, no, no. It's just a silly little, uh little fun project that I'll probably end up selling as soon as I finish it This is one He's got more stuff to read I've never seen Cal less interested yeah, yeah, yeah I mean I would have more interest in talking about rewiring a camper trailer

That's currently currently sitting in your barn. We can do that. Yeah, that's more fun to me. Yeah. It's like, oh, you're buying parts and putting them together. That's cool. I couldn't believe how little he cared about what you were talking about. I think if you shot this thing, you would care more about it. Pippen Robertson dollars. Great. I love it.

You know what I was feeling? Cal was feeling complete indifference. Yeah. What I was feeling is a little indifference. Yeah, what I was feeling is little out of the out of the loop Yeah, no, it's to be like that. I'm like am I like how could I not know what he's talking about? It's sort of a very little jealous very niche Gun subculture. I've always been curious about about these when you say these What do you mean this this pretty it's a it's just tell them what it is it's an HK USC and the UMP is the original sort of law

enforcement version but you can do these modifications and put a folding stock on it what's miss Williams think all this she thinks it's really stupid how much you can have into this let's just keep that that's not a great question yeah that's all those are all imaginary numbers you know you should what you should ask is how much does he stand to make off of this once he complete yeah little build how much you gonna make rental I don't know I don't know. I don't know. Um, I think it'll be, I think it'll be more than I put into it.

So this is like a for-profit, you're like a gun dealer. No, I feel like we're using terms here that have certain legal implications. So I think he's a custom gun. I'm trying to convince Reynolds to never sell guns. Don't sell guns. I'm in that case. I always regret it when I do. No, that's not true. I used to, but now I don't. Yeah. I'm in that camp. I always regret it when I do. No, that's not true. I used to, but no, I don't. Yeah. I've got a whole, I mean, sometimes I play a game with my buddy where we try to name every gun that we've bought and sold and we have a spreadsheet going, but it's still incomplete because we can't get there. Just a weird hobby. You

know, some, there's some guys that are like really into cars, some guys that are really into stamps, but this will be fun. I'll, I'll have the little project and then I can use it as a little plinker at the range for a little while. And then maybe it goes down the road. Maybe I, I just keep it. Maybe I hang on to it. Um,

yeah. Yeah. I, do you want to keep going for the record? I didn't bring this up. Cal. No, it's true. I brought it up. I've tried You want to keep going for the record? I didn't bring this up. Cal. No, it's true. I brought it up. I've tried to change the subject several times.

All right. You do seem like you don't want to talk about it. Yeah. I mean, it's just, you know, it's one of those things that I'd sort of do compulsively. And I think if I, if I were, uh, if I were better able to control my impulses, I'd probably make more practical decisions with the guns that I buy and sell, but you know, that's just with the guns that I buy and sell. But you know, that's just me and something that I live with every day. When I look at myself in the mirror, I don't always like what I see. Too hard on yourself.

Cal, go ahead. What were you gonna say when you got bored with Randall? Senate joint resolution 25-009, protection of Colorado's public lands. So this just happened Yesterday were very timely. Mm-hmm, right, but it is a bipartisan to two Democrats two Republicans in the state of Colorado pushed through sjr 25-009

Which is a joint resolution that says Colorado will not support the sale or privatization or transfer of the 22 million acres of public land in the state of Colorado. So this is in response to a bunch of the stuff that we've been covering over the last couple of months Utah's lawsuit which is gonna be resubmitted here pretty quick. No, really? Yeah So so great proactive move from the state of Colorado Again, they have 22 million acres of federally managed land in that state and

Saying that they're against sale or transfer of public lands which is great news for folks who like to go outside and do stuff in a free America. And so with my little fire chart showing likelihood of advancing where does this one fit? This one's through. It's through? In the state of Colorado yeah. Also in Colorado, that one we were talking about where they were going to change the language of how hunting would be used. That got tabled. So it's dead for the year. You know what I figured I had that pegged as a low, when I developed my app, it'll be like a low probability. Yeah.

That seemed like a gesture. That seemed like grandstanding. But every now and then there's a dry windy day, you know, proverb, like figuratively speaking. Right? Yeah. Did you like that? I really did. I really did. I got a gun build going on right now too. Steve, I finally sent you that guy's info. Oh yeah. And we're not going to talk about him on this show because I don't want to get him backed up too much with gun orders. Cause you gotta work on your guns. This is the, yeah, my new Flintlock.

Yeah. I'm not saying names. Steve wants percussion cap. I'm gonna go with the Flintlock. No man. That's weak shit. Bullshit. Let me tell you what I want. I did a call out on this and I'm gonna do another the flintlock. That's weak shit. Bullshit. Let me tell you what I want.

I did a call out on this and I'm gonna do another call out on it. I want a single trigger, percussion cap, tack driver. Without the set trigger, air trigger. I know a company. Single trigger. You just want like a three-pound tree on a three-pound trigger mm-hmm I don't want that stupid second trigger on there just percussion cap single trigger but a tag driver and I'm willing to pay yeah I have yet to participate I guess we did do like a where the hell were we Nebraska or Iowa or someplace trying to hunt things with muzzleloaders

Yeah, those are in modern in lines, right? I like those things so that's but that's the only thing I have no we did plus we shot seek a deer You know in years ago. Yeah. Yeah, you did that with you didn't even have a scope on yours. No, no Yeah, yeah, you did that with you didn't even have a scope on yours. No no They're shooting away across the marsh just leveling them those things come with scopes anyway Real excited now yet participate in Montana's heritage season well. She's hanging with me Yeah So I'm doing the sensible thing and building up a rifle that is gonna be super awesome

so I can go effectively lay the smack down this this coming heritage season with whatever tags I have left in my pocket. What's going on? Single trigger, 50 cal, single trigger, 50 cal, three pound pole, percussion cap. I'm a percussion cap man now. I don't care. That's like the old- If it looks old timey,

it doesn't need to look old timey. It just, it's Montana legal. That's like the old- Barely legal. The TC Pennsylvania Hunter. That's exactly what you're looking for. Single trigger percussion? Yeah. Now with percussion caps, you still got to walk around with a plastic bag over the top.

It's not a Pennsylvania Hunter if it's percussion. You can't use it in Pennsylvania. Yeah you can. No, you can only use flintlock. Yeah, well listen, it's a model that Thompson Center made. All the ones I've ever seen have been flintlocks. But they them in or they used to out they don't make them anymore. Is it still available single trigger percussion? You probably have to find one somewhere. I don't know TC is getting fired back up again. So maybe they're gonna start making them Yeah, oh you want to know something interesting that happened to me and dr. Randall two things We're in Wyoming we're about ready to wrap up, Phil. Yeah, that's great. Put your hand on the switch there.

When we're in Wyoming, we went, so we went to these archeologist office. And one thing that happened, the minute we walked in the door, if you remember this, Randall, we walk into an archeologist office and immediately i look and there's a giant dinosaur bone on the floor yeah like a giant femur of a dinosaur and i said something to the effect of good lord what's that and he said that's a rock and i said oh i thought it was a dinosaur bone and he said that's what the guy that gave it to me thought it was.

And he offered it to us. Yeah. He said, if you want to get it out of here, it's all yours. Here's the interesting part. These guys are doing an excavation of Fort Bonneville. So like an 1830s mountain man site. And they're showing us just a little like scraps of metal I mean there's not much there like you can tell that metal was coveted like nothing gets thrown away but a bunch of little old like old but what would have

been very brand new yeah is a bunch of percussion caps That came off this site and they look just like a yeah, really like dude Just like a little yeah, just like a like a percussion cap. Not where they fired or on fire fire percussion cat. Yeah Fired percussion caps. Yeah, that that was cool. Yeah, so you're looking at the infancy of They would have been cutting-edge technology. Yeah Yeah, so you're looking at the infancy of They would've been cutting-edge technology. Yeah That's cool. Was it a Hawken brothers that came out with percussion caps? No. No, I wonder if those percussion caps worked Man they definitely did well how many of them worked to not work ratio. That's what I mean Oh, what was the yeah, like how often did you have a misfire? I can't see. Yeah

That hunt that the Nebraska or whatever late season deal that we did. Finally deer steps out. Oh, a little too far deer steps out a little too far. Oh, this one's on the right track comes out. Perfect broadside tip. I'm like, Oh, Jack, another cabin there. Bad primers. Another tip.

Little puffs of smoke and. Off percussions. Yeah. Off percussion caps. And I'm like, ah, yeah. Yeah. So that's why you're going to the flintlock. Exactly.

Exactly. Well, and the other reason I'm going to the flintlock too is if it, for whatever reason, is something that I do not like and can't accommodate, I can always go to a percussion cap with that same rifle. Yeah, just put a different lock on it. Do you ever think about getting yourself a matchlock?

No. That old kind where you had the light of fire? A Fusey? Didn't they call Fuseys? A wheel lock? Well, alright. Everybody good? a fire. Yeah. Didn't they call fuses? A wheel lock. Yeah. All right. Everybody good?

And we got anything else to say? Turkey week. Good luck, Turkey. Oh, do you have any, do you have any, uh, goals for your week of vacation that's coming up? I need to recuperate. We're going to spearfish a bunch, but I'm worried about, uh, I just don't have any energy right now. Right.

So I'm worried about that. You have any, uh, species goals? No, take what I can get. I packed my filet knife so I can tell you that. Don't want to be a fish on that reef. Pack my knife. I gotta get better. My kid's raring to go. He's gonna be very irritated that I'm not, that I need a day, I need a recuperation day or two when I get there. Did he get that new GoPro? Oh my god. Oh, he did.

He's got a little payment plan. He did a, I bankrolled the purchase He had he had a hundred bucks that he kicked in I made him make a chart So for the next eight months he owes me 30 bucks a month interest or no interest No juice? Rates are tough. Yeah, parenting's dead. So I got that chart in my office and he's 30 bucks a month paying. You should build one with like general credit card interest rates and be like, here's what it could be. Just so that he gets put in.

What's the thing about it? Milking it out of him? Is Ro getting the old camera? Is she going to mess around with it? He says part of what his plan is to sell the old one to get some of his payment plans. See? I'm telling you, he's got a mind on it. He's a wheeler dealer. Yeah, exactly. He's like Randall.

He's a wheeler dealer. One in, one out. He should accompany Randall to the estate sales and then maybe they can buy stuff and resell stuff and... I can't wait to see him out there being like, the more I talk about this, I don't even think I want to sell this. It's probably better than the new one, but I suppose I can let it go. All right. This might be my last show. It's been fun. Thanks for a good run. What number is this grin if I die?

670 something really believe that my gosh if I die Why everybody no, thanks for listening Can I have all your shit Fast to the drop, Sam. Yeah. And since Randall knows his way, Randall, you're in charge of the estate sale. Yeah. You're gonna have to fight everything for it. I know.

I've got the app on my phone. It'll be real smooth. We'll auction everything off and we'll get a bajillion dollars for conservation. Randall sent me a picture. Randall, he was showing me about an estate sale the other day and thenall sent me a picture. Randall, he was showing me about an estate sale the other day and then he sent me a picture. There's two things at the estate sale that didn't sell. And it was a box of empty DVD cases

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