The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 692: MeatEater Radio Live! A Southern Uprising, Brent's Elk Savior, and a Turkey Serenade

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

Hosts Brent Reaves, Clay Newcomb, and Mark Kenyon crash the Bozeman HQ to chat episodes v. films, hear Reed Barganier's (@ReedsPianoNews) latest turkey jam, play 1-Minute Fishing with Trout Unlimited's Tanner Belknap, and show & tell of some prized possessions. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's 12 o'clock for our friends back in Arkansas. The real time of the world. On Thursday, April 17th, and we're live from the MeatEater headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. Snowy Bozeman, Montana. We're your host, Brent Reeves. Clay Newcomb. And Mark Kenyon.

On today's show, we're going to be serenaded by a newsworthy turkey track by my buddy, Mr. Reed Bargineer, also known as Reed's Piano News. After that, we have two listeners submitted hot tip offs that the winner of that is going to receive some new Bear Grys and this Country Life merch. Which looks very nice by the way. Yeah, awesome, I just love that. Followed by that, we're gonna do the one minute fishing

with our friends at Trout Unlimited. And finally, we have each of us have brought a memorable item that we're going to share for show and tell. Show and tell. Can I just say I am more excited for that than anything else today. Really? I so badly want to show and tell you my story.

Can't wait. Can't wait. It was one of the best things that ever happened to me. It better be really good. Cause expectations are sky high. I will tell you. I'll tell you what, expectations of mine are sky-high is Reed's song. Yes, that will be good. I cannot wait for Reed's song. You know, we got a lot. And I'm very surprised they didn't ask me to play live music. I am not. I'm not surprised.

That's amazing. I gotta stick up for my bandmate over there. Yeah, me and Phil, we could take the house down. If they hadn't had Phil play in the harmonica. I don't even know why I'm a podcaster. If they hadn't had Phil play in the harmonica like a solo every week, why would they have you up here singing? I mean, there's gotta be like a taco shell for the taco, a bun for the hot dog. So you are the taco shell. I'm the taco shell. I'm the ground meat and the lettuce. Yeah, there's a lot of directions we shouldn't go on this one. Let's move on. I mean, let's tell them what kind of what we've been doing this week. Tell them what you were doing with Yanni. So

yesterday, we were, we came to Bozeman yesterday and we were shooting guns. We were testing out came to Bozeman yesterday and we were shooting guns, we were testing out several theories of the way that guns perform. I mean, can we tell exactly what we did? I think we can. Yeah, so yesterday we tested the idea of the brush gun. So everybody in the South anyway, I don't know, maybe out West it's not as big a deal

because there's not as much brush, but in the South there's a lot of brush, a lot of brush, lot of brush Cory and people talk about brush guns like a Specific caliber or bullet style that's able to shoot through brush So we did some some testing all day long shooting through brush. What what did you do? Oh, man I I had the the worst and the best job ever but we did a segment on losing zero off your scope

and we abused a SIG rifle and scope out there. I love this idea. It was sad. It was sad to do it, but we learned a lot. I think people are gonna find it really interesting, especially the way we finally knocked it the furthest off zero. Now, do you want to tell them? I'm gonna tell gonna tell you. You can't give away what happened. I'll tell you, I'll tell you. I mean, the people that listen to Meteor Live should be rewarded. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you this.

I'll tell you, we dropped it. We held it, we dropped it at knee height. We dropped it, holding it straight out like this. And I'm holding my hands for the folks that they're not watching this right out in front of me, straight out in front of me and dropped it on the scope and then we would check the zero. And the final thing we did involved a case, a gun case and a truck in 80 miles an hour. And I'm gonna leave it at that. You're gonna have to watch it. It is wild.

Mmm. Now what I wish you had done, which I understand you didn't, was test my worst nightmare, which has always been getting up into my tree stand and then somehow the gun falling down to the ground from the top, you know, from 20 feet up in a tree. That would have been an interesting one to see. Yeah, absolutely. Well, maybe we'll see, give us another round. That would have been a good test. Another good test would be to be up at the tree stand, have your gun up there, you fall out of the tree stand and then crawl back up and see your gun still on. Hey, Yanni put Strat that on the back, on his backpack and then fell down the hill on it. So it was...

That worked pretty good. Yeah, no stunt man. He does all his own stunts. So also, today we get to, or I get to, judge you two cooking. Immediate roasts, which I'm very excited about because two things are going for me on this one. Number one, I love to eat. So I get to eat your food. Number two, I love giving you a hard time,

especially you, Cliff. I do love giving you a hard time. I've observed this for Mark. Mark is my best friend. I treat him like a brother. That's the third? That's the third best friend he's had today. And all I get is ridicule. You will get to judge us cooking. Yes I will. And I will not bring up that dead mule you tried to sell to your one buddy.

His only best friend? His used to be best friend? Yeah, he used to be best friend. Meat Eater Roast, the newest episode of that dropped today. And it's got Corinne Schneider and Maggie Hudlow, who's the editorial chief. Corinne's obviously the, the grand pooh-pah of producers here and podcast producers, and you can see that on the YouTube channel. Oh yeah, speaking of, we've got a comment from one Alexis Reeves. She's in the chat.

She says, Clay puts mushrooms in his chili, so he's out. He's out on principle. Alexis Reeves, dog on it, she got me. That's my gal. How do you come back from that? Yeah, let me give y'all a little context of that. Clay did a video, social media, he's cooking chili in his house,

and Alexis is watching, sitting on the couch, and he takes a double handful of mushrooms and drops him in his chili and she looked at me He's like we can no longer be friends with clay I said I took of all the things I've done in my life. I took more heat for the Mushrooms and chili from my wife from my kids from Alexis She won't it was like three years ago. Oh gosh, Britt, it was ten years ago. Really? Yeah.

Well... I can't wait to see what comes out of the show today. We're doing Meat Eater Trivia, too. Yeah. Friday. Yes, tomorrow. Tomorrow, yeah. And what about some fly fishing?

You and Cory went out and fly. Fly fishing. Womp, womp, womp. Oh, Clay. Someday you'll understand. He'll grow up. Clay doesn't fly fish. Clay doesn't fly.

Tell me about y'all's trip. Yeah, we went fishing yesterday. It was one of those trips where we thought we might get pounded with rain and the possibility of winter weather incoming. But we decided to go for it anyways. Did a really nice float, I don't know five six miles and it wasn't happening but we had a great time so you didn't you didn't catch any fish moved a couple Alex our grand pooba of social media as Brent might call him he caught one and that was it yeah that's

the problem though is that you that if somebody catches a fish immediately upon starting the trip, that's either a great sign or a very bad sign. Or the last one. And that ended up being the case. Yeah. But good to be in the water. I've got a podcast coming out tomorrow

that's gonna feature our musical guest today. I went hunting with Reed in Alabama and got to hunt on some really cool ancestral land, met some great people, some friends, longtime family friends of Reed and his father and got to meet his father, Dr. Paul Bargineer. He's a... He worked on your teeth?

He did not. Yeah, he pulled this one out and I brought it with me. It's a hat of a molar. We got to hang out with Reed's oldest son, Barnes too. Great kid. I left him with a turkey call and man, he was sounding good when I left. I hope his mama hadn't hit it from him by now. What you got going?

We had a podcast drop yesterday on Bear Gryse that I'm really excited about. It's called Confessions of a Former Outlaw. And it's every now and then, you run into somebody with a particular story that's really great. I mean, if I could find 26 Johnny Johnsons to interview every other week for the Bear Grylls documentary

style episode. I mean Joe Rogan would be begging to come on my podcast. It's a really unique podcast and it's the title says quite a bit. The guy was a was a was a turkey outlaw and you ought to go listen to it. And interestingly, it's also being played on the meat-eater feed today, as I understand it. So it's called Confessions of a Former Outlaw. It's a human story. I mean, it's a story about this guy's life, a living man from Oklahoma, southeast Oklahoma. And it's a pretty powerful story. Got some hooks and some shockers and some, yeah, a little bit of tension.

Well, normally when you tell me, like, have you listened to it yet? I'm like, no. And then you'll give me a brief synopsis of what's going on. And then I'll listen to it for the render. But yesterday, and you said, have you listened to it yet? Or day before yesterday, I said, have you listened to it yet? And I said, no, not yet. And you said, I'm not telling you nothing else. You just gotta hear it. I listened to it this morning. It's really good, really good.

So check that out. Marcus, you got something just dropped recently. Yeah, so a day, two days ago, my latest film hit the Meteor YouTube channel, which is one I'm pretty excited about because it came from the surprising news that I read like four years ago, I think when I came across this article from the Alaska fish and game saying that there might be mule deer and white tails showing up in

Alaska for the first time ever. So I read that article immediately. I thought that is fascinating. Yeah. Why is that happening? How is that happening? And how can I get there and like learn more about this myself?

So four or five years ago, when I first saw that, I pitched Meteor on going and doing a podcast series all about this. I wanted to go up there, spend a bunch of time, interview people, meet people, do all this stuff. And it didn't go anywhere. But for the last few years, I've kind of kept on bugging people by, hey, we got a squeaky wheel. Yeah, squeaky wheel. I want to learn more about if this is

happening and what it means and what's going on. And long story short, finally, it came together. And I wasn't, you know, I originally wanted to go and try to go on like a Sasquatch hunt, you know, like go and try to find this mysterious possible first whitetail in Alaska and actually roam that area walking around and interview the people who've claimed to have seen them. And when we started kind of going down that road and because of various logistical challenges, we couldn't do that. But what it led to was like, all right, let's go there and see what is there currently,

learn more about blacktail deer, the native deer species. Learn more about this area, Southeast Alaska. Spend some time with some native Alaskans, or I mean, residents of Alaska, who have seen some of these critters, and get a sense of what's happening. And then talk to Alaska Fish and Game about. You learned some stuff?

I did. Surprising stuff? Really interesting stuff, just about how much is changing in Alaska. And I think being from the lower 48, when I think about Alaska, I don't know about you guys, but when I think about Alaska, it still feels like this untouched, pristine, like it's still how it used to be there. But then when I started asking questions to folks who've lived there their whole

lives, they're talking about all these things that have changed just in their lifetime. New critters showing up in new places, all sorts of stuff. So yeah, very eye opening. And then the experience itself, just getting to go into this terrain, hike up into the Alpine, see black tail deer for the first time, being in an area that's loaded with brown bears that definitely had you. You're on Admiralty Island? Where? Yeah. Yeah. They call that the fortress of brown bears that definitely had you. You're on Admiralty Island. Were, yeah.

Yeah. They call that the fortress of the bears. Yeah. Really? One of the highest densities of brown bears in the world. And yeah, so it was very interesting. Ted in the chat is asking how many bears did you encounter if you have a number? Yeah, we didn't encounter any.

That you saw. They were around us. There were signs of them all over the place and it was so funny like going into the trip that's on your mind a lot like how do we, everything you did you were taking to account, alright how do we mitigate any possible risks with bears, where are we gonna camp, how are we gonna get there, how do we approach the hunt plan, you know what about when we get a deer down, all those things and then of course it was there was nothing to worry about, there was things to worry

about, but nothing panned out. But you prepared, you were prepared. We were prepared. Yeah. It was a great film, Mark. Thank you. I see somebody up there saying, talking about the whole thing with Janis about do we make films or do we make episodes? Mark Kenyon makes films. It was really good. Thanks buddy, I appreciate episodes. Mark Kenyon makes films. It was really good. Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. I liked it a lot. It was a fun one to work on. You know, I almost hate to say this, but talking about in your film you talked about, okay well, sorry, go ahead. No, in your film you talked about how the temperature in Alaska has changed more than the lower 48. Like, you know, there's like these glaciers melting and stuff.

I think in our lifetime, we'll see as the, as the temperature becomes more mild in Alaska, potentially more people going up there because it's been a barrier to entry just how harsh the winters have been. I think that's quite likely. Man, it's, it's snowing outside right now and I'm worried that we ain't got enough bread and milk. We're going to, we're going to, we're not going to make it. You Arkansas boys. Did you send your girl to school today?

Did you call her and be like, no sweetie, it's snowing and, and Bozeman, you can't go to school today, you can't be at Arkansas. Free day. I don't talk like that. Are you sure? I'm going to talk to a guy that does talk like that. He's, he'll have a different accent when we talk to him today. And that is my buddy, Reed Bargineer. He is a returning Radio Live guest,

and he's also known as at Reed's Piano News on Instagram. That's how I met him. You know what's funny is I've always thought his name was Reed Spiano. That's how I made it. You know, it's funny is I've always thought his name was Reed Spiano Really quickly never really thought about bargain near like a Hybrid between an auctioneer and a bargain shopper that is lame I think I wouldn't imagine I think it's a low grade of French if I had to guess Reed welcome, buddy Thanks, man. Glad to be here. And Clay and Phil, if y'all want to lay down some taco shell on this, I've got no issue with that at all. My harmonica's upstairs. Lay down some taco shell. That's amazing. Reed, just last week I was with

Reed down in Alabama and hunting on his family land. And I did, like I said, the podcast that's coming out tomorrow is all about that. But man, what a treat. We stayed in an old home place. It was built in 1902. And in the foyer, when you walk in the front door on this big front porch, there is a signed land grant document from President James Monroe. It was dated 1822, is that right?

1827. I was thinking he was dead. Yeah, 1822 on February the 1st. That actual document is in there. And so there's so much history with his friends' families that own that land and then Reed's family that owns the land that we hunted on. That was great, man. That's cool. That's cool.

No, we had a good time. It's as much fun as you can have without killing a bird, in my opinion. Yeah. The cat's out of the bag. But that turkey that we tried to kill is still gobbling. Matter of fact, you heard him this morning, didn't you? I did. Yeah, Clay, I listened to your podcast on the way down. It's a banger, for sure. Yeah, it's fantastic. But yeah, I mean, in my head, it's like, and I feel like I'm going to get a reputation as just a guy that likes to go hang out with his buddies in the woods way early in the morning in the spring Could be worse because I haven't been doing a lot of bird there could be worse things

But you got to kill a bird at some point. Otherwise, you're just you're just hanging out. I got a question about Reed and that's Sorry. Yeah, but but Brent. Yeah, I know some people who are very musical Yeah, musically inclined inclined, who do that thing where they kind of sing everything that they're doing or what they're saying to you. It's like, hey, will you get that ketchup? You know, that kind of thing. Does Reed do that? No, and I don't know anybody that does that.

You don't know anybody that does that? No, I would run. I feel like Clay would do that. Clay sings things. Misty, my wife says that my mother, Juju, my sweet mother, Juju, when she is asking an awkward question she sings it. Really? She's like, that dress is a little tight.

Or she's like, the food got a little cold, I'm sorry. I do that when I really, I can feel the urge to yell at my kids, but I can't. So I'll be like, you really need to clean at my kids, but I can't, so I'll be like, you really need to clean your room now because I'm getting a little frustrated. Oh, I should probably try that instead of throwing rocks. Tyler and Casey from The Element do that a lot. They're always singing what's going on in their lives. So, yeah, there you go.

Pretty interesting. That's insane. All right, speaking of insanity, there was something that happened in the grocery store. Phil, can you play that video? Oh, yeah. Let's see. It might be a little loud, but I can't control the volume. Here we go. All right. Very large turkey that just went in the store.

Officers in Indiana found themselves dealing with a particularly tough customer. A turkey entered a Martin store in St. Joseph County and proceeded to knock over merchandise and chase customers. After some deliberation, a brave officer grabbed the large turkey off the shelf, safely escorting him out of the store and back into the wild. Now, man, that puts a whole new spin on the frozen food aisle right there. I'm impressed that guy grabbed that sucker by the spurs. And I mean, he did it, he did it, man.

He's scared. I saw that video and there's a, somebody says in the video, whoever's filming says, watch out for those talons. Talons. Yeah. So, frozen. You know what I would have done? film and says watch out for those talons. Talons. Yeah. So, frozen. You know what I would have done?

I would have gone over by the frozen milk and hunkered down and... Frozen milk? Did you guys have frozen milk in our show? The frozen section, not frozen milk. I think you know what I meant. I really don't. The dairy section, the frozen... But he's really bad.

I'm trying to call it to me is what I'm trying to say. Rather than go in on him and erect that flight response, I would have tried to get him on the issues of love. Sometimes you should just be quiet. All right. From that incident, Reed has been inspired for this next musical number. Take it away Reed. Yeah, yeah. All right, we'll do it. By the way, it's so much more normal singing this to a group of three guys than just Phil Taylor. I felt very special in taking care of yesterday, Reed.

Yeah, this is maybe Brent. We were just looking in the wrong places. So here we go. ["Maybe Brent"] Three days Brent Reeves, well he's a turkey calling fiend. He left Alabama without a shred of turkey meat. Maybe it wasn't the woods, not the mid-morning fields that we should have been in trying to sound like hussy hens.

We should have just stayed at the Walmart, the one there in Greenville I bet the turkey was just checking out the frozen section pizzas We ought not have looked at Fig Newton's for so long We'd have a grocery store and a long beard,, dead on the wall. Yay! Reeds Piano! That is out of the reach. Give me an estimated time of your...

How long it took you to write that little ditty. That one, anytime I can work Hussie into a song, it kinda comes pretty quick, you know? Oh man, that's awesome. Okay brother, well, what's next for you, Hoss? Lots of kids baseball and trying to figure out a time to get them back out to the woods. Okay, good. We're around man. Thank you for coming again. I had a blast. Oh yeah we got to get John David out there and get Barnes and and I hope

you daddy Paul. I hope you all just smash him. But I know turkey season's still running down there so I might be free to come back. So might Clay. Clay's busy. Hey, I want everyone to go. Thank you, brother. I appreciate you being here. All right. See you guys. Thanks Reed.

You can check Reed's stuff out at at Reed's Piano News on Instagram. Reed ought to have a million followers. He should have. I mean, when I first started hearing him, I was like, okay, I'm going to go to this Instagram page and it's going to be a dude with a million followers. Yeah, it's like I mean it's grown Exponentially I think since he's been on the on the show here, but it's stuff that's really good Almost not every day, but multiple times per week. He sings the news. That's what he does If something's good, you know something you got a good news story

He's gonna and his songs are often more complex than that. Multiverse great choruses. I mean, he's no Phil Taylor Clay Newcomb, but, oh yeah, of course not. I tell you what that dude is, is the humor hides how good of a piano player. He is. I mean, you got to kind of take second stage. He's, he's really good. Yeah.

I can see that. You searched for your informant, who disappeared without a trace. You knew there were witnesses, but lips were sealed. You swept the city, driving closer to the truth. While curled up on the couch with your cat There's more to imagine when you listen discover heart-pounding thrillers on audible Hey folks Steve Rinella here spring it is coming on hard in first lights kicking off the sale

You don't want to miss right now. you can save big on the same field gear we trust from base layers to outerwear and everything in between. Whether you like to spend time covering serious miles in the mountains or whether you like to perch up on a ridgeline and glass and glass and glass or you like to post up in a tree stand down in the thickets, well now is the time to reload your kit without breaking the bank. But don't drag your feet. This sail will not stick around for long. Head to firstlight.com and gear up before it's gone. That's F-I-R-S-T-L-I-T-E dot com. All right. We're ready for our next segment. What do we got? Our next segment is called Hot Tip Off.

H-O-T-T-I-V off. Turn your head and give a cop a good one. Don't use cough. There aren't any words that rhyme with off. H-O-T-T-I-V off. I like this. Thanks, Mark. Is this new?

Huh? What's that? H-O-T-T-I-V off. We've done it a few times. You should listen. Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off.

Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off. Let's all do a hot tip off. I like this. Thanks, Mark. Is this new? Huh? What's that? Is this new? I said? I've done it a few times. You should listen. Wow, Phil, that is outstanding. Hot Tip Off.

That's a word for it. Hot Tip Off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice. After we hear each tip, we'll declare which one we think is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a one minute video on your phone and email it to radio at TheMeatEater.com. With the subject line, Hot Tip Off. This week, our competitors are Sy Snead drew Henry, and they're competing for some of our new bear grease and this country life logo wear. Those can't be real names folks in the chat.

Please chime in. All right. Let's hear the hot tips. Drew Henry. Hey, what's up? Welcome to a hot tip. My name is Drew and I'm working on some whitetail from this fall I'm at the point right now. I'm ready to start packaging I like to use freezer paper and I used to like to use plastic wrap But my hot tip is for you to go down to your grocery store

Talk to your local produce clerk and have them sell you a roll of produce bags This one I've had for about three years, as you can see it's getting down there, it served me well. I just bought this one recently, I think it cost me 12, 15 bucks. They're not gonna know exactly what to price it at, but they'll figure it out for you. Anyway, produce bags are simple,

just like you're buying some broccoli at the store. Give it a rip. Count your stakes out, throw them in there. It's really nice. You can give it a good squeeze and get all that air out of there. Give it a spin. Tie it off. Once you got everything bagged, you're ready to start wrapping.

When you go to thaw this out to eat it later, you're not going to have a big mess in your fridge. There's your hot tip. Hmm, that's pretty good. I like that. It's icy. It's almost like being. I like that. It's almost like being vacuum sealed. Yeah.

Hey there, Meat Eater Radio Live. This is Psy Sneed coming at you with a hot tip off. You've got your freezer here. It's full of meat, hopefully. Your wife says, hey, why don't you run out there and grab some other freezer for dinner? You say, well, what do you want? She says, I don't know, what do you want?

I don't really care, it's up to you. Well, what do we have in the freezer? I'm not sure. Well, here's how you know. Get you a little whiteboard like this magnetic. It was like four bucks. I have on here my moose, elk, salmon, blah blah blah. So I can run out here and say, hey, we've got 21 pounds of ground moose meat out here. What do you say we make something with that? She says, hey, sounds good. Makes your wife happy, makes your life better, and you're hoard back straps like me you kind of can check it every time you walk by a little bit like checking the stock

market yeah wow this guy's a showman anyway get you one of those enjoy it your life will be better you heard it here first hmm okay I do like keeping track of stuff like that that is would spread you know here that I do like keeping track of stuff like that that is wood spreadsheet That's a lot of calculating well I think my freezer is full Brent if anybody here needs something to keep them organized It would be you I mean when you just when you got so much meat Oh, so many deer, so many turkeys, so many bears, so many elk, so many moose, I've never killed an elk, so many...

I've seen the backseat of Clay Newcomb's truck during hunting season and this is the thing that I've never seen before and it still hurts my soul. I once opened the back door of his truck and he has loose climbing sticks just thrown all over the place in there. They're not even strapped together. You wonder about, you wonder if my tetanus shot is up to date before you get in the back of his truck. Yeah, you better check it.

Hey, listen, I can't argue what the man says is true. Okay, but I'm going to tell you what my vote is right now. Okay. And it's size need. I love that. I like that. We have a poll open in the chat right now and guess what? You guys are going to be selecting the winner. You all in the live

chat. So it doesn't even matter what we say. You know you're just providing color commentary, Mark. I'm sorry to take away power from you. You know, I've got a, Cy was a showman. Appreciate the passion. Admire the organization. I think it's a bit unrealistic. It's kind of like seeing like some Celebrity talking about something that you're like dude Live in the real world. Yeah, it's a great man On the TV, I don't know if you want to address it. I'm going with Drew. You can't truck. My wife's truck. Ah, yes, Alexis.

We weren't talking about my truck, we were talking about Clay's. For the audio listeners, Alexis is claiming that Brent's truck is also awful. Well, just for that, I think... I think though to add on to what you're saying Clay, I love his idea, keeping track of everything, but to get that done it takes a lot of upfront work because you've got to count everything, you've got to update your chart every time you add something new.

So that's adding more work to your schedule. While the first guy, Drew, his little baggy idea saves you time because that's going to be faster than cutting all these individual pieces of plastic wrap and wrapping them up individually and trying to make sure I'm always not cutting it long enough. This is what I heard Mark Kenyon say, I'm lazy. Time efficiency.

Mark is anything but lazy. I have a vacuum sealer. Time management. I have a vacuum sealer, so I vacuum seal all of my stuff, which is what more or less what Drew was doing. Yeah, when he was doing it, I actually thought you could probably suck almost all the air out of that. There's still plenty in there, but I have one.

So I mean the organ and I vacuum seal it. It's all pretty uniform and I can put it in there like a grocery store pretty much. So, but the idea on the listing of everything, I like that. I think maybe Drew's though, his expectations of people's ability to do something out of the norm is maybe higher. Like Drew probably has a lot of people skills, is able to go find someone in the produce section, haggle with them, get something that's not for sale.

That takes a special man to do that. So hat tip to Drew, also maybe on the side of unrealistic to I'm gonna end the poll here in about 10 seconds I'll get those get those last last second votes in if you want my votes for Drew I like them both but I'm voting for Drew Mark Scott. We get Drew's got one from Mark. No clay clay He had to pick Drew I'm going with I'm going with sigh Well, the winner of the poll is Cy Snead.

Congratulations Cy. Over 70% of the votes. So he kind of cleaned up there. I know my audience. Bunch of dreamers out there. Yeah. Congrats Cy. Good job Cy. It's a great tip. Good stuff. Okay, let's see, Cy needs to holler at, uh, Phil or you, Corey. Corey, you're going to reach out to him. Corey, reach out to you and get all your stuff squared away on all your plunder that you just won. Uh, how about some more listener feedback that does not have someone named Alexis Reese knows you can just call on her at any her anytime unless it's disparaging remarks about-

Sure, only glowing things about Brent. Yes. Let's see here. Thank you Alexis. This is from Michael. Question for Clay or Mark. Tips on getting started in the writing world. Oh wow. This is kind of a big big question here, but how'd you guys get curious about writing? ABCs are a big factor in that. A little bit. Mark's writing a book. Writing another book right now. Yeah, first book has been out for like five years now, That Wild Country. Do they know what you're doing, Clay? Well, Mark is a writer. Mark is a published author.

Incredible book, That Wild Country, and he's writing the second one. So, Mark, take it away. Okay, so the very fast answer to that question would be getting started in the writing world. First you just got to do it. So don't wait until someone gives you a contract or a deal or a publication opportunity. Just start writing more and more. Flex that muscle, exercise that muscle, get good. Number two, publish, publish, publish on your own. So use whatever platform you have, whether it's Substack or a blog or little things on your Instagram, whatever.

You gotta put stuff out there into the world so that eventually opportunities for people to read your work, give you feedback, and or give you opportunities arise. So practice, practice, practice. Put it out there, put it out there, put it out there. And then network. Talk to every single person that you possibly could

who might have a connection with some kind of publication someday. Build those relationships. And slowly, if you do those three things over and over and over again for years, opportunities arise. And when those opportunities are present themselves, you have worked enough in all these years behind the scenes getting good enough at your craft that you can meet the moment. Ernest Hemingway wrote N, so there's always that. You guys don't? Moving on. Have we got another one up there?

Yeah, this guy has submitted this question three times, so he's chomping at the bit to get an answer, and I don't know what he's talking about. Maybe you guys do. Question for Clay, will you ever do a Bear Grylls podcast on the treeing feist breed of squirrel dogs? Is there something unique or special about a treeing feist? Well, Phil, that's a ridiculous question.

Yes, there is something very special about treeing feist. Oh, that's the kind of squirrel dogs that I hunt. And it probably would be a great Bear Gryz podcast. No plans to do one. I am planning to have a feist man on the Bear Grysh Renders soon, a real deal guy over in Arkansas that raises a lot of squirrel dogs. But they're, yeah, it's a really fun little breed of dog. That's what my dogs are, my squirrel dogs. Yep. They're cool dogs. They are good.

Yep. Cool. Question from Coach Bauman, Clay Orbrant. Curious on your take on why dove hunting is so popular, but you don't hear much about pigeons. Just curious why pigeon isn't considered a game bird. I don't know anything about pigeons or what they even taste like, and I'll eat about anything I can get hemmed up and get skinned. But dove hunting in the South is a social event more than anything.

I mean, isn't a pigeon an invasive bird? I don't know. I mean, we wouldn't have pigeons. I mean, like there might be some pigeons like living under the bridge somewhere. The folks eat them. Steve has. I mean, I think doves are a native game bird. So to answer your question, I mean, it's a native game bird that lives in the wild, very broadly distributed across the country versus an invasive bird. Yeah. That's my quote. We have morning doves, those

are invasive too. So the common pigeon is also known as a rock dove and they are native to southern Europe, North Africa and Western Asia. Now in Steve's first book he writes quite extensively about pigeons and eating little baby pigeons. Really? Pigeon squabs I think they call them. I've never seen a baby. It was big in Europe I think France, that was a delicacy. Oh yeah, a squab, yeah. But I've never seen that. You ever seen a, like a runt just flying around? Someone, I saw that somewhere.

All the pigeons you see here look like they're all the same size. You've never seen a juvenile one. They grow quick, what's up with that? Let's move on. I got lots of questions about that. This is more of a Chedekit question, but Conman is asking, he says he's going hunting with

two of his brothers on Sunday. He's yet to kill a long beard, only Jake's. How do I go about asking to get the first shot on a Tom when I'm taking them out? Be like Clay and be quick on the trigger. Yeah. He don't ask, just beg for forgiveness. There you go. I feel like if I was your brother though, that should just be like the right thing to

do. You would hope you'd think so. It's turkey season, Mark. That's ruthless down south, isn't it? It's different. Yeah, sorry. My brother used to, he was listening for a turkey that wasn't there. I took a mounted turkey foot and I knew where he was listening but he wouldn't tell me and

I made tracks in the mud off the ditch bank where he was listening but he wouldn't tell me and I made tracks in the mud off the ditch bank where he was stopping and listening. And I asked him, I said, are you hearing any turkeys? He said, man, where are you listening? He said, I ain't gonna tell you. He said, but there is sign everywhere but I ain't heard one yet. I'm like, well, just hang in there, buddy.

He'll be there. Now that kept him off of my spots. You really did that to your poor brother. Brett said that with his brother, they shared everything except turkeys. No turkeys. It's every man for himself then. We'll do one more and then we'll move along here.

Kaddison is asking, I think he was the one who also piped in with the films versus episode debate. He asked, and he went through slash December archery elk tips. He drew his first elk tag in a primo unit outside of the rut. Oh, congratulations. He asked on the wrong episode. He got the wrong guys here Minute and a Ratt.

You got the wrong guys here for that one, Cassie. Brent killed an elk. You've probably killed an elk. I've killed one elk. Yeah. Clay's never killed an elk. Corey's the guy to ask for that. Oh, well, Corey, you can get on mic. I can cut to your camera. So I'm kind of embarrassed how sloppy it looks over here, but there you are. Oh, hi. Is that there's my archery elk.

I mean, they're going to be in their, I don't know what state you're planning on hunting, but they'll be in their winter range by then. Bulls will be all bachelored up together, typically out in the sunshine in the morning and bedding on a south face somewhere that's not too snowy. So do a lot of glassing, look for fresh sign and yeah good luck it's hard to stalk elk in the snow with a bow are there our trick seasons open in December running not around here I'm trying to think where that would be Washington perhaps all right hmm no drop us a drop us a pin Kattison we won't tell anybody

Chat live All right, is that good Phil? We're good. That's great Yeah, well, I will tackle a few more questions at the end of the show So if you have any more questions for Brent Clay or mark who knows when they will be back on radio live get them in Yeah, we'll get fired ASAP All right on to our next segment, which is one minute fishing. I am excited for the ride Well, do you punk go ahead make my cast That's you in it Phil Outstanding appreciate it one minute fish channel channel my inner Eastwood

One minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have a one minute to catch a fish. If they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. And for the whole month of April, or April as we call it in Arkansas, our friends at Trout Unlimited are joining us

for one minute. Oh, wait a minute. Let me read this again. I'm confused. And for the whole month of, oh, I got it. Wait a minute. I figured it out. For the whole month of April, Trout Unlimited is joining us

for the one minute fishing episode. Oh, yeah. Who wrote this? Corey? Nope, Spencer. Spencer. Trout Unlimited. This week our angler is Tanner bellnap.

Tanner is on a spring Creek near the salt river somewhere on the border of Wyoming and Idaho, and he's fishing for a donation to trout unlimited Tanner. Welcome to the show. Let's go Tanner. Tell us about yourself, man. What, what, what's your claim to fame? What do you do for a living? I don't really have any claims to fame,

but I grew up in Alabama and Ohio. I've been fishing and hunting since I was old enough to walk. Grew up fishing out in Colorado every summer and fished some rivers that tried to limit its saves by fighting for minimum stream flows. So since I was a little kid, I kind of thought of TU employees as superheroes.

And in Ohio through middle school and high school, I volunteered with Trout Unlimited and Project Healing Waters, just hundreds of hours and moved out west for college at Oregon State. Ended up working as an engineer for about a year and a half or so, and then saw this job opportunity with Trattle Limited pop up,

and that's what I've been doing ever since. Also on the Wyoming BHA board, right when all the corner crossing stuff started, so that's been pretty cool as well. Awesome, man, you busy as a cat in the sandbox. We ask y'all to highlight some important watersheds across the country for this segment. Now tell us about the Salt River watershed.

Was that a duck? No, we're getting a little bit of an echo feedback there, Clay. It did sound like a duck though. Tell us about the Salt River watershed. Yeah Wyoming is a really special place because we drain into the Mississippi River, the Colorado River, the Bear River, as well as the Snake River. The Salt River is part of the Snake River headwaters here. It's really unique. It's a place where cutthroat trout still dominate the main stem.

You guys hear me all right over the way? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. Cutthroat trout still dominate the main stem of the rivers here, which doesn't really exist anywhere else in the Rockies. Usually they're isolated, the small tributaries. And the Salt River is a really unique spot

within the Snake River headwaters. It has the most fish per mile of anywhere up here as well as the biggest fish. It has a ton of spring creeks and sloughs and really good groundwater influence that helps keep temps low in the summer and warm in the winter, so it's really productive. The river is highly degraded. If you spend a lot of time on western trout streams, you'll see it when you're floating it. Of the ten major tributaries, five of them are fully dewatered every year.

About ten miles of the river itself are fully dewatered every year. There's extensive bank erosion and sedimentation issues. There's a large- scale removal of willows and riparian vegetation back in the early to mid 1900s. And that plus grazing and other things have just led to a very over widened river that's the pools are a lot shallower with less cover than they would have naturally.

And the riffles, when they get over widened, you get a lot of sediment deposition in the gravels so you get a lot lower macro and vertebrate productivity and less spotting habitat so a lot of the work we're doing is to address those issues. Awesome man. I gotta jump in. Yeah jump get in there. I just gotta say that I love this region over there I spend my summers out there and a large part of my best moments in life have been out there and I'm so appreciative of the stuff you guys are doing because those Snake River and

Yellowstone Cutthroat Trout in that region are absolute gems of the natural world. Those rivers are so special and yeah, they need our attention. So thank you Tanner. And I also got to say, are you going to the Bull Moose Saloon tonight? Cause that place up there is one of my favorites. Oh, I live about two blocks away from the bull moose. I don't think I'll be in there tonight. He probably got a chair name with his name on it in there. That's a great spot. Yeah. Next time you're here, I'd be happy to put you on some big fish.

Oh, come in. Don't say things you don't mean. All right. Let's talk about what we're fishing for today. Tanner, what are you targeting today? Oh, we haven't even fished yet. No. Yeah, we gotta fish. And what are you gonna do?

What are you fishing for and how are you gonna do it? So I'm fishing for native Snake River cutthroat, potentially a brown trout, and there might even be a white fish in here, but really whatever will bite. Been out here for about an hour and a half and had two bites. So, Oh, wow.

I just saw a bull shark right behind you. Odds are stacked against you Tanner. He can do it. Yeah. But we, uh, we saved the best pool for this. So, uh, haven't even cast it in there yet. So there's, there's a chance. All right.

So yeah, the drama. Okay. I want you to, I want you to take your time But hurry up every chance you get and as soon as that fly hits the water we're gonna start the timer Come on. You got this Tanner pull a big old flathead out of there. Please don't pull a flathead out of there Yes, what if he needs to stretch before he starts is he is he fly-fishing? Yeah, I think he's running a trot line. That's Tell me what you got Rubber legs to an egg to a Duracell. Oh, yeah. Love the Duracell out there

Here we go. Rayvac. Here we go, false cast. Nice technique. False cast. Come on baby. Manage that line. Come on baby.

He's mended, mended. Mark, yeah, what's going on here, Mark? Yes, what he's doing here is he's got this nice little, I don't know, the opposite bank. You can see there's some moving water. There's a faster current. He's trying to move his fly through there while maintaining what's called a drag-free drift with his three flies. So he's going to be flipping the fly line up so that the drift of his fly matches the speed of the current. So he's going to be casting the fly line up so that the drift of his fly matches the speed of the current. So he's going to be casting and then flipping the line,

flipping the line, flipping the line as it comes down towards him while also simultaneously using his left hand to pull in any slack lines so that he maintains contact with that fly. Any second now. Any second now he's gonna set the fly. And we're gonna have a big old beautiful snake

or other cutthroat trout and I will be so excited. Come on Tanner. Time's up. Unfortunately that's the time right there. Dang. That was the most impenetrable description of fly fishing I've ever heard in my life. That was like, you should be at Augusta.

Oh I love it. That was awesome. Almost cried. The downside of a triple rig is sometimes you hook on your final. Oh, that's me, brother. That's me with a single rig right there. That'll happen. I don't think the heavy back wind helped me out very much,

but we all got it. I'm sure it didn't. It was a failing attempt, Tanner. You're also doing that in front of four million people right now that are watching. At least. You did great, Tanner. Good job, Tanner. Give me your pitches for what's going on for Trout Unlimited.

You got any local events or some stuff that we need to be aware of? Yeah, you might have thought I mentioned some of the project work we've done here. Absolutely. Yeah, so in the Salt River watershed I just started a little under three years ago but our work here started a bit before then. We've done about seven miles of full-scale habitat restoration work on Ten Cup Creek, one mile on Swift Creek, about a third of a mile on the Salt River. We've replaced or retrofitted three different fish passage barriers on the Salt River

and then for upcoming projects we have about three and a half miles of full scale habitat restoration on the Salt River coming up in the next year and a half. We're just working on raising all the funds to implement that work. Then we're working on some aquifer recharge programs and some other things to try to boost flows in some of those dewatered streams and improve stream flows in the river. Tell me about, okay, let's tell the folks where if they want to support you, where are they going to find you? Where can they join your organization and all that stuff?

Yeah, you can join Trout Unlimited. Just Google it and that helps us a lot, especially with some of the uncertainty we've had in funding recently. Just having a strong membership really helps us out. Then the Star Valley chapter, we're actually holding an online sweepstakes right now for a Wyoming commissioner license. So a Wyoming commissioner license, whoever wins it gets to choose between any deer, elk, or pronghorn tag in the state of Wyoming

I'll send you guys the link for that. So that's the first prize the second place prize is a Real nice tika 270 with a Swarovski scope and the third place prize is a nice pair of binos But you guys could help spread the word on that We're trying to raise upwards of $40,000 and we're about 700 right now so wait let's get it in there he didn't win the $500 donation to trout unlimited because he didn't catch a fish but I'll personally donate 200 bucks as soon as we end this episode right now I don't make Clay Nuka money so I can't do the full 500 but I'll fund at least $200 of donations right after this to support what you guys are doing. Did you check with your wife before you did this? I didn't. I'll hear about it later. Wow, big money!

Tanner, thank you so much man. We appreciate the effort and especially the effort what you guys are doing that whole organization. It's absolutely you're doing some great work and we appreciate it. And Mark's $200 poor because of you. Also fourth place in that contest gets to fish with hand grenades. Thanks Tanner. Wow. Thank you. Thanks Tanner. See you Tanner.

Okay. Is this a new segment we got going here? This new? No, it's not. It's been a while since we've done it, but it's, it's, it is not new. No, I do watch, but I have a short memory. Your name? You searched for your informant who disappeared without a trace.

You knew there were witnesses but lips were sealed. You swept the city driving closer to the truth, while curled up on the couch with your cat. There's more to imagine when you listen. Discover heart-pounding thrillers on Audible. I'm looking forward to this. I know Mark is really looking forward to it. It's called Show and Tell. Me neither show and tell Me neither show and tell Me neither show and tell

Phil's really into the 80s. He's always riffing on 80s songs. Is that you? What else did you expect? Sorry, the first half of that got cut off. Wow, I was getting very mixed signals from Yannis about our friendship. Yannis is telling us that we're number one. Okay, here's what we did. Each of us brought in an outdoor related item that we want to talk about. This is exactly like the elementary school version of Show and Tell. Remember the eight years you were in elementary school?

I remember the first thing I ever brought to Show and Tell. Okay, well let's see what y'all brought. Clay, what you got? In second grade, well third grade I think was the first real Show and Tell I had, and I remember I brought my dad the biggest buck Gary newcomer believer newcomer Ever killed he had it sawing off, and I brought it to school so dang proud of it carry my dad's buck in But that's pretty cool. Yeah, tell us this here folks

Mark do you want to go first? I would like for you to go first I mean, I'm trying to give you the best slot you are the best slot is the last I'll let you go I'll take it now cuz we're running out of time. Okay, and I won't get to gloat Go over my favorite moment in years right now. I have with me to show and tell a Fly that caught my very first tarpon ever So you just heard me do play-by-play on someone's fly fishing so you can tell I love fly fishing Yeah well tarpon are a saltwater species that I've dreamed of for many many years and attempted to catch on a fly rod for a handful

of years now and Finally about two weeks ago finally got done. So this little purple and black is that a tail No, but I don't know what the deer look like by you, but it is a tell jig yes. I understand what you're saying anyways Grown folks are talking clay I would call that a bucktail jig But yeah, so so to make a long story short This fly caught my very first tarpon ever, which was a baby tarpon.

That one's not the baby. The smaller fish was the baby tarpon. Look at that, Mark. Yeah, caught that one off the dock of a rental home. There were these little schools of fish coming through and my kids were out there watching and saw one moving through and was able to cast out in front of it enough and strip, strip, strip, strip it in

and that little guy, not little, I mean it's two foot long. That was awesome. And then the next day I was able to cast out in front of it enough and strip, strip, strip, strip, strip it in and that little guy, not little, I mean it's two foot long, that was awesome. And then the next day I was able to go out with a buddy on a skiff and fish for adults and I caught my first real tarpon which is that sucker right there on a fly. It's like big game hunting. Tarpon fishing with a fly rod is the closest connection I've seen from fishing to bow hunting. It was like sitting in a tree stand day after day after day, and then a boon and Crockett buck comes in at 20 yards and you have just seconds. I mean, you're out there hunting for fish. You're out in these flats, you're spending hours and hours searching for a fish like this.

Cause you don't just blindly cast. You're waiting until you see one of these fish. And then this six foot torpedo comes in at you. You see it, you have two and a half seconds to assess where that fish is going, how fast it's going to go there. You have to then immediately lay out a perfect shot. They don't even call it a cast. It's a shot. I've got one shot to get that fly just in front of that fish at just the right time and then immediately begin retrieving at just the right cadence and

pace. And I did that over and over for days and days and days over the last handful of years. And finally, two weeks ago, the stars aligned and that you know I don't know almost five foot long fish finally took my fly you set that hook and you feel this connection with your left hand directly there's no rod in between me and the fish there's no reel in the story and the fish. There is a, this is yeah. You got plenty of time, there's no time. My fly line is in my left hand and then it comes tight into the bony mouth that like a bowling ball mouth on the other side and you feel

that it feels like you're connected to a fish. Do you not have a fishing pole? Well you do but the fishing pole is pointed directly at that fish. So in the moment at the set, so I'm, I cast out, that rod goes underneath my armpit, and then I have to use both hands to grab the line and then slowly retrieve it like this. So if people could, if you're not watching, I'm using two hands while holding my rod in my armpit and retrieving slowly but steadily this fly. And this monstrous fish comes out, you know, I saw him, he cast to him, he comes and he's following it. So it's like a shark following a little baby fish. And then all of a sudden you see this mouth just open up like a bowling ball and then spins.

And then I feel this just, it's like if you're holding a leash to a Rottweiler and all of a sudden he sees a squirrel and that squirrel, he's lunges and immediately feel like this electricity go through your entire body. And it blew my mind. And for 20 plus minutes, I was, you know, Electricity go through your entire body and it blew my mind and for 20 plus minutes I was you know one-on-one with that fish. How far how far was the cast? How far was the shot when he's 20 foot something like that? Oh, right Are you compelled to memorialize this fish with a replica? No, but I will cherish that photo in that memory You don't want a replica hanging in your house. I don't think my wife would allow it Mark you can wait You don't want a replica hanging in your house? I don't think my wife would allow it Mark, you just gave away $200 for trout. Yeah, I do I do love them, but I've got too many deer mounts

No, mounts are not allowed in my house anymore unless it's 170 plus or like somehow astronomical Okay, Mark does not speak for the rest of us by the way. What do you reckon that fish weighs Mark? We thought it was like 75 some pounds, something like that. Jake thought that. Florida, was it in Florida? Yep, this is down in Florida. Yeah. And I will be tarpon fishing every year that I possibly can make it down there.

You're hooked. Oh my goodness. I know you catch and release them, right? Yes, yes, catch and release. And I literally, you can't even take a fish like that out of the water. So I had to hop into the water with it to- What do you mean you can't?

It's illegal to take a fish that's over 40 pounds, I think in Florida, out of the water. Yeah. And so I hop in there with it, and was able to snap a couple of photos and hold this fish. Mark's kinda hogging show and tell. Yeah, it should stop.

He sure is going. But before we get off the topic of fishing, Spencer wants you all to commit to doing a one-minute fishing for this show sometime in the near future. Yeah, count me in. Hey, they usually have cute names for these flies. Do you know the name of this fly? I don't know the name of this fly.

I think it's just a tarpon streamer. I think it's a bucktail, a tarpon jig. That's what it looks like to me. We use a purple. I think it's too soft to be a bucktail. I don't think so. I think a bucktail is a little more coarse. I think that's synthetic, Mark.

This isn't even genuine. You cheated. I don't care what it is. Ittail is a little more course. I think that's synthetic Mark. This isn't even genuine. You cheated I don't care what it is. It works. No, it was a great that was that's a great fish. And passion story. I loved it I I have no doubt that that's like compelling. Claybo you're up. How much time do we have? Are we on a timeline? No. We got no timeline. No I thought you were gonna cut us off at one hour. Oh Sweet. Okay. Well the shows Okay, no good that's compelling that's good brother So I would say my story really is comparable in a way to Mark's in that it was a

Kind of a longtime idea that came to fruition Two years ago. I killed a bear in Arkansas with a stone point. And so in archery, you can take archery to the extreme of going like super primitive. And I wanted to, because of the limitations of the equipment, I wanted to shoot a bear off the ground at five yards. And the only way I could figure out how to do that

was to dig basically a ground pit. So what we call the bear pit. So we went in and dug a deep hole and basically it helps with some scent control when the wind's right. And I shot this bear at about three yards. I believe in natural scent control, Mark. Okay.

Yeah. He rolls around in the dirt. But this point, I brought this stone point because this is a Folsom point, which a Folsom point is a, Folsom points were found in Folsom, New Mexico, discovered inside a bone pile of bison antiquus. We did a whole series on it by a man named George Mcjunkin was the one who found the bison pit but Folsom points are the are the most beautiful and arguably the most difficult stone points in the world to make and So that you know

There's a lot of mystery around why they made stone points because you got to have very high quality Material and just the the napping process is incredibly difficult There's a 40 per 50 40 to 50 percent failure rate with with fluting the sides So if you look the sides of this point are completely flat They're ultra thin and so there's a lot of mystery around the fulsome people and why they did this now I could talk about it for hours I can tell you why they did it. Why do you think they did it? Yeah, that's ration buddy Penetration skinnier broadheads gonna penetrate better than I mean, that's a that's a very

Simplified answer. Thank you that that is is Partly right but there were bigger had to have been more reasons than that for the difficulty they went through. But this actual Folsom point is what we call a replica, like a Folsom man didn't make this 11,700 years ago. A man named Tony Soares in California made it, and he is arguably the most skilled man on the planet at making Folsom points. There's a collection of people that can make them.

A lot of flint knappers can make them, but Tony Suarez is one of the best in the world. The biggest question about Folsom is how did they make them? And so Tony made this one for me. There's a film on the Meteor YouTube channel of me killing a bear out of the pit with this point. But I will tell you this Tony has a he made these points for me like I watched him make them and He has a method that he would not allow us to film that is like like his proprietary way to make a fulsome point and

his proprietary way to make a fulsome point. And pass that on before he dies. I hope. I mean, I hadn't talked. We're not that good of friends. I mean, like, I don't really talk to him about dying and stuff. But but he's he's a great guy. So maybe he doesn't like to share. Well, it's like a trade secret. It's like if you it's his business, like he oh, he sells those. Yeah,, he does. I mean it's he does a lot of other stuff, but he he sells like high-end

Fossil points you can buy them from him and And so it's like a trade secret that he developed But what he showed me was a jig that he made that he flutes these sides so Very cool. Now that's awesome points attached to what? Nine inches of an arrow shaft. Yeah. Is that where it broke off? Yeah, this was the arrow that I shot the bear with.

And I got about like 11 inches of penetration. The bear fell within sight. The bear actually, you can see it roll on camera. Just barely. Did that go through the shoulder blade? It didn't go through the shoulder blade? It didn't go through the shoulder blade. It did not go through the scapula. No, it did not. It just barely missed the scapula. But it was a, it was, the shot wasn't, it was a good, it did

good but I kind of short stroked the bow when I shot it. It was so close. You was in a hurry wasn't't you I was in a hurry. Yeah and baron duke and my son killed a bear out of the bear pit This year there's a film on me to your YouTube channel about that a film Have you guys been nominated for any film awards? And not yet Not yet. Yeah me and mark make films though. Did you see Mars also a filmmaker? Yeah, yes Wisconsin outdoorsman had a great idea. We're gonna make the chat to get the official answer I just started a poll films or episodes. Please get your opinion in look a show would Would entail episodic content and we don't make episodic content anymore at

least us I mean when there was like a hunting with Yanni you know you know whatever they called it oh that was all you gotta do is just take away the title of the grouping of your episodes and they become films what you're saying yes Yanni it's just like so many things in life it they you know it's like you're saying. Yes. Yanni, it's just like so many things in life. It's like you're either a turkey hunter or you're a turkey hunter. You're either the person who hunts turkeys or a turkey hunter. It's a tight poll, tight poll, get your votes in.

And so all I'm saying is that what me and Mark do is an art. But what Yanni does, is that what you're saying? I mean, by his own proclamation I'm not saying I think Yanni makes art baby I think Yanni makes films maybe art he's uh he's the one that's arguing with me okay if y'all not gonna fight we're going on one last question okay has Barry Newcomb tried to make these yet oh yeah well not Falson points he can nap though he can he can make a functional point I've seen So one last question. Okay. Has Barry Newcomb tried to make these yet? Oh yeah, well not false and point. He can nap though, he can make a functional point.

I've seen him napping. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a good napper too, but not that kind. Yeah, on the couch. Not that kind of napping. All right, here we go. This is mine right here and this is, as I so eloquently spoke to my friend,

Corey Calkins about it, he said, what you bringing for show and tell? And I said, an elk fang. And he said, is that anything like an elk ivory? I'm like, yeah, or that, you can call it that too. But this is exactly what this is. And this was from my first one and only elk that I killed in 2011. And there is a crazy story about how all that came down.

First, I'm gonna show you the video and I'm gonna tell you what's going on. We get the video This is the video not a film from 2011. This is not a film listen Yeah, he was two inches off Pope and Young. Oh. If you wouldn't have said that, we could have had a little friendly conversation. Listen, listen, listen. No bugle. Whistle.

Can you pause it right there? It's like a good time to take a shot. Now did y'all hear that click, that audible click? Yes. Did you hear that? Oh, no, I just heard the bugle Well, he like half he like three-quarter bugled and then got spooked by something And there was for the folks that can't they can't see this this bulls walked into a watering hole and from where he's at Right there. He is 19 yards away from me broadside

And I had there was a blind no, blind? No, we're in the open. They got a couple of bushes in front of us. We're on a real steep grade. And the cameraman, the guy that's filming, is sitting right to my front, the way he just had to sit angled in front of me instead of behind me, because of where we were. And when that elk walked up there and was drinking,

and when they started bugling them, my guy, the guy I was hunting with said, when he starts bugling, go ahead and pull back. He said, lots of times they won't see you. Now whether or not that's true or not, I don't know. I was in a pretty good spot. But he said, he's gonna be occupied, so get your bow back.

Well, I was holding that bow, and I was holding the arrow onto the arrow wrist with my left hand. I had my index finger over the top of that arrow and I pulled that bow back so fast. I pulled the string out of the knock. So the arrow was just sitting there. Knock out of the arrow. Yeah.

And no, I just pulled the string out of the knock. The arrow was intact and I turned loose with my finger because I went crazy and lost my mind and thought that would help and that arrow that audible Click you here is that arrow falling off and hitting the riser and it's hung in my In the arrow rest and if you can turn the audio up loud You can hear me say talk to the cameraman who can't see it because he's partially in front of me. And I'm looking at the camera. I can't shoot him. And he's like, why not? I said, my arrow come off my string.

And he says, put it back on. I said, I can't. He said, why not? And he turned and looked, and he saw me at full draw with a blank and that arrow hanging off. And he reached and grabbed that arrow with his left hand and stuck it back on there.

And while he's filming. And that bull just stared at you. And you're gonna watch what happens. Another bull saved us. Oh wow. Okay, so we've gone back. Listen for the clip. I went back a few seconds. Yeah.

Yeah. Uh-oh. Now I'm holding, I'm at full draw holding a blank right there. That bull saved my hunt right there. Because he took his attention off you. Took his attention off you. Yeah. Oh it did.

Oh man. He fully gave it up. Now he's starting, this is when the arrow thing's going on because you see my camera guy's not following the bull. Now, bam, he's right there. Now we're talking, how far is he? Is he 45? 25 now.

He's like, he's like 40 right there. But I had measured, I had ranged a stick up there at 50 yards and you'll see it. Right there. Yep, that stick was 50 Did you mouth stop lead at him? Yep That'll do it It was he was at 50 yards. Oh, let's see Brent Rees in 2011. Oh, look at that Beardless, oh my goodness

All about to lose my mind he was holding his breath the entire time looks like Yep There he is that was 70 yards from from where I was sitting. Oh man. That's awesome. Incredible. Yep, it was great. He, that arrow hit liver, left lung, and you could have not more center punched his heart than that arrow did. That was a heck of a shot.

Beautiful. Yeah, it was fun. A crazy experience when I'm ready to do again sometime. All right, boys. Do one more quick round of feedback here? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, sounds good. Let's see here.

Mark, I can't speak to this, maybe you can. Kevin says, Have you been up north near Gaylord and seen the forest devastation? How do you think this will impact deer hunting? Sorry, I have not been up there. Okay. What are you talking about? Those storms that come through? Must be. Must be.

Well, I'll answer for Mark. Kevin, I think it's gonna be great for the deer hunt and it's gonna make it thick and wooly in there. And- Disturbance. Disturbance is always a good thing. So don't look at it. It looks bad to your eyes,

which is why you're calling it devastation. But in all honesty, it's probably going to be great for not just being Mother nature calls it a Tuesday. That's right. Chase asks, he says, Clay Brent, my buddy is on day three of getting his butt whooped in the land between the lakes, Kentucky, and he tips on how to bag one of those Southern deep woods. Thunder chickens, man, you gotta hang on from, from that latitude.

I've been talking to folks. Clay's been talking to folks. They, the hens are starting to get away from them up there. So just, if he's on turkeys, just hang in there with them. Eventually you're going to catch one by itself. On all day. I think guys, if they go out and they don't hear birds and they're like, man, it's not that, you know, they're not really doing it.

Yeah. If you can run all day, stay with them. I think it is there. I mean, I heard some guys killing birds late in the evening that didn't gobble in the morning. Yeah. And I mean, Reed got on one the other day at 10 20 in the morning. And he normally you hear a turkey gobble at 10 20.

He's going to, he's going to get to ride in the truck. It didn't happen because of the hen situation, but I would just say you just got to hang in there. Cool. Uh, Lane says, Phil, you got to address the Dude Wipes conspiracy in the Q&A portion. If you guys don't know, people think that I sound like the guy who sings the Dude Wipes jingle that's that interrupts all of these shows every single week. I legally cannot say, I will say that when I want to feel a little more fresh down there, I only reach for one product. What product is that? I can't say. Dude wipes, send a meat eater some money, maybe a sponsorship, and I will be able to say.

Mowgore says, Clay, how's your book coming along? When can we get a sneak peek? Oh man, the book, we're in hot pursuit of a great book on the American Black Bear. I mean, we're like in the heart of it, but it still weighs out. I mean, as far as the sneak peek, I'm going to be dropping a few nuggets here and there, but yeah, thanks for asking. No official timeline yet. No official, well, no, yeah, that's right. On the nuggets. On the nuggets, That's right. Yeah. It's coming

along good though. We got a little nugget last night at dinner. It was very interesting. About put Mark to sleep. No, come on. Somebody ask him about the Wachita's. No, I'd be glad to be glad to recount that. No, what's next, Phil? I'll field this one for Jordan Sillers because we've had a few questions about his awesome hunting cold case episode that we dropped earlier. There are no concrete plans, but we loved it. Listeners seem to love it. It was really well done. So I can almost guarantee that there will be some in the future.

We just do not know when, but send Jordan your love on Instagram or something. Yeah, I'd like to add that I had very little to do with that. Jordan did that from the ground up and did an absolute excellent job. It was really, really good. Research was awesome. The way he presented it was good and I was really proud of how that turned out. A question for Mark from Keith. Last year I snort wheezed in three mature bucks. None gave me a good shot opportunity. I'm considering getting a decoy. Should I go with a buck or doe? Personally I'd go with a buck. I think in that kind of case where you're having success getting bucks interested in the snort wheeze that means there's a lot of competition in the area. Those bucks are riled up. They want to take on their competition and they just need to see

you know just like turkey hunt. They need that final thing to get them to commit into shooting range and a buck would likely be the thing that would do that. I think in most cases, a buck decoy is the better option. And it's a lot of fun watching a buck come into a buck decoy circling in all bristled up and ornery. Um, yeah, hard to beat that. Favorite offseason outdoor activities besides fishing? Is there any other hobbies? Riding mules. Macrame. A coon hunt year-round. Oh, I'm a dance dad. Proud dance dad. I do

that a lot this time of year as a matter of fact. Camping, hiking, backpacking. That's our thing. Cool. You know what? I think that was a pretty good show. What do you guys think? Awesome. Hey, Mark, Claybo, Yanni, thanks for trespassing. Phil, Corey, this was a good deal, a good time. I appreciate everybody watching. Y'all be tuning in next week when somebody will be hosting them. We'll be nearly as handsome as me and probably good times. Hey folks, Steve Rinella here spring. It is coming on hard in first lights, kicking off off a sale you don't want to miss right now you can save big on the same field gear we trust

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