The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 745: Shrimp Fraud and Wild Berry Cheesecake | MeatEater Radio Live!

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Ryan Callaghan, and Randall Williams chat with Bryan Jones of the South Carolina Shrimper's Association about seafood fraud, talk gear, hold a crew v. crew round of Hot Tip-Off presented by MTN OPS, root for Cory in 1-Minute Fishing, and sniff out some fake news. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Cal and Randall. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Jones from the South Carolina Shrimpers Association about seafood fraud. Then each of us will review a piece of gear. After that, we've got a hot tip off between Janus, Putellus, and Rich Fronning, followed by one-minute fishing with Corey Culkins, and finally, we'll end the show with a game of fake news. The first, Cal and Randall, I've got a surprise for you. It's sitting right in front of you, that dessert is a five berry cheesecake from berries

that I foraged and grew on my own at home. Like five types of berries, not just... Five types of berries. The size of the vessel made me think there might just be five berries in here. No. No, there are five types. I'm going to tell you about it as you dig in. Uh, I've been growing

some blackberries and some thornless heritage raspberries at home this year. Blackberry crop on one of my plants specifically has just been a banner year. It is the alpha berry crop in my yard. And that makes up most of what you're eating there. But I also foraged some wild berries on our public lands here in Montana. I've got some red raspberries, some silver buffalo berries, and black currants that I just picked yesterday morning. Delicious. It's very good. Very good spous. Oh, yeah, I was going to ask if Bill got one.

Yes, Bill has one. That's right. Real good. Black currant. Probably about 50% of that is the black berries that I grew. And then I'd say 20% is the raspberries that I grew. And then the other 30% are the foraged raspberries, the buffalo berries, and the black currants. Now, do you say currant because you're like an NBA basketball dude?

Wasn't that a ball player, Durant, Kevin Durant? How am I? I think it's current. Current. I'm just ignorant. No, no, just mean you're ignorant. It just means you read, Spencer Yeah

Why does it mean I read Because people that mispronounce words Learned those words by reading them Not by hearing them You know what I like that excuse I need that excuse a lot Because I have a lot of mispronounceifications That's like when my mom tells me

I have a stutter because my brain is just moving too fast That's moving faster than my mouth It's real It's real Phil am I in the frame correctly I feel like I moved There's no right way Randall But you look great

As long as you're not leaning out Like, that's the classic Steve or Yonis. That was a real, that was a real treat, Spencer. Cheesecake is my favorite dessert. Really? Yep. Okay. Do you make it yourself?

No, but Sidney makes it for me, usually for my birthday. Wow. Yeah. Okay, and then you get some candles in it, too? Mm-hmm. Yeah, pumpkin cheesecakes. I like, uh, I like raspberry cheesecakes. I like all kinds of cheesecakes.

Okay. It's a five, five berry cheesecake grown from berries like here in Montana soil. I'm not a cheesecake man myself. Okay. But this is real good. Oh, well, thank you. Thank you very much. That is my surprise for you two boys today.

Are you more of a crumble guy? Oh, yeah. Give me a cobbler. Yeah. Darn right. That's a good berry dish. All right. We're going to start the show today by interviewing Brian Jones, the vice president of the South

Carolina Shrimpers Association. He's here to talk to us about a lawsuit involving shrimp fraud. Brian, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you. you for having me. First thing, Brian, tell us about the multi-million dollar industry that is South Carolina shripping. Yeah, you know, you think about the low country in South Carolina and one of the things that's iconic about, you know, the marsh grasses and everything is seeing our beautiful shrimp boats. So our shrimp fleet is comprised of, you know, a couple hundred

vessels. You know, they're, you know, owned by individual family members. We're all small business owners like myself and all the boats I tie up with. But, you know, we love what we do. We're outdoorsmen. We're sportsmen. When we're not shrimping, we're out there fishing too. And, you know, one of the things we love, and we're passionate about is bringing fresh seafood from traw to table, bringing at home for folks to enjoy here. And, you know, what we catch is iconic to our cuisine, too. People travel all around the world to come to Charleston and other places within South Carolina, like Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach, to enjoy our seafood. Now, earlier this year, the Southern Shrimp Alliance commissioned genetic testing on shrimp

from Charleston restaurants that was advertised as locally caught. What were the results of those tests? Yeah, that was one of those things that, you know, we kind of suspected and we knew what was going on, but until recently, until the Southern Shrimp Alliance hired this company's consulting to do the genetic testing, you know, we weren't sure how pervasive it was. But the results, you know, they tested 44 restaurants of those 44 restaurants four were determined to be serving domestic wildcaught shrimp, whereas the other 40 were not. You know, and within our lawsuit, which we'll talk about, 25 of them were outright saying that

they were local or wild caught or misrepresenting it. And then that's why we named those 25 in our case that we brought. Now, how did these tests come to be? Obviously, people were skeptical about locally caught shrimp. Was that suspicion coming from the honest restaurants or the customers or the fishermen or who? I think all of the above, you know, we know, based on the past 20 years and where it's moved from having fleets of, you know, thousands of boats, you know, down to what our fleet is now where, you know, we used to, where the creek where we tie up, there'd be five, six boats tied up to each other up to the dock. you know and that's dwindled now to two or three um so we knew you know we weren't catching and selling as much shrimp and you know when we were catching it we couldn't move it as quickly

because you know there wasn't the demand for it so where did that demand go and you know there's more restaurants and there's more people eating shrimp it's the number one consumed see feed protein in the world and crosses all genres and types of food if you think about anything except perhaps like kosher meals i think like european middle eastern a Latin American American We can sound like Bubba Gump here, you know, when we say like shrimp kebabs, shrimp scampi and all that. But we knew that the demand, you know, still existed, but we weren't selling as many. So, you know, I think there was that suspicion. Then, you know, there were restaurants themselves.

There's a lot of good restaurants out there that we sell to. And they're getting undercut by, you know, other restaurants potentially saying, you know, competing for the same diners, saying they're serving wildcaught shrimp when, in fact, they weren't. So, you know, it was great that the sign. Alliance allowed this to happen when they were able to do this rapid DNA testing. Shout out to Dr. Singh from Florida State. That's my alma mater. And their ability to create that rapid test, their seed consultant.

I think we kind of knew it always existed, but until recently there wasn't the ability to do that testing and find that out. So, you know, Southern Trimp Alliance, you know, did the testing or commissioned it. Seed did the consulting. And then we're sitting back there thinking, hey, you know, if this is going on where where's the where's the accountability like and that's you know one of the reasons we brought the lawsuit you know we're not afraid of fight you think about you know charleston and our historic nature you know between you know fighting the the british and the uh you know the battle of fort moultrie to you know the civil war you know we we are you know it's within our

nature to you know fight for what's right and um you know we we really wanted to make sure that that you know, not only us as shrimpers and the restaurants, but consumers too. And oftentimes, you know, they're paying a premium for, you know, the, what, what they believe they're getting is local wild caught shrimp. And in fact, they're getting something that's been frozen for potentially years that came from halfway around the world that they can get wherever they came, wherever they're visiting us from, whether it be Ohio, Montana, Colorado, whatever the case. And we want to make sure they're getting, you know, what we love to do and what we love to bring home to consumers. Yeah, the lawsuit you mentioned.

was filed by your organization, the South Carolina Shrimpers Association, on June 13th, and that was against 25 restaurants. What can you tell us about that case? Yeah, so it's a case primarily about transparency and honesty. You know, at the end of the day, we want to ensure that there's, you know, motivation for folks to do the right thing and for consumers to be armed with the knowledge. You know, we're telling people all the time, and I'm sure we'll talk about it later is, you know, ask where your food, where your shrimp comes from, you know, ask, you know, make sure, you know, if it's local, that you know, it's local, but how do you know if there's, you know, not accountability measures in place? So we want to make sure, like,

this lawsuit is what we're really asking for is for a judge to say, follow the existing law. If they're saying it's local, make sure it's local. If it's, you know, you're saving fresh local seafood, you know, fresh local seafood isn't something that was grown in Ecuador, India, Indonesia, Vietnam. And there's nothing wrong. with, you know, if they want to say and they want to sell imported shrimp, by all means do it, but don't say it's what we do and what we're doing is spending our blood, sweat, and tears, you know, to bring home. Now, is there a chance that the restaurants themselves were being duped by suppliers, or do you think these places new that their shrimp were not locally sourced?

You know, that's a great question, Spencer. I would say, um, is it possible? Yes, but probable no. And, you know, it's very highly unlikely that, you know, they were being duped by, you know, their suppliers. And what I mean by the, you know, that is, you know, where we bring our shrimp right here, you know, it comes, it goes on to ice on our boat, from the boat, it goes into boxes and those boxes go right to the restaurant. So, you know, it's very highly unlikely that they're being, you know, there's some sort of bait and switch by a supplier. And, you know, when we speak with restaurants and they tell us, you know, you can get it cheaper or, you know, it's already peeled into vain, or, you know,

there's some other reason. And like I said, that that's fine. Just don't. say it's local. You know, I think the majority of them, I would suspect, you know, they know what they're purchasing. It's just more about how they're presenting it to the consumer and how that affects not only us as shrimpers, but like I said, you know, the good, well-intentioned restaurants that are doing the right thing, which there are a lot of. And then also, you know, the consumers that believe they're paying for, you know, our shrimp and our product. And who's supposed to be regulating this. How did we arrive at a place where 91% of restaurants are lying about the source of their shrimp? Yeah, you know, that's one of the questions and one of the big motivating factors

of this whole case is how do, you know, we got to this point. Now, how do we move forward and get to the point where, you know, there's more truth, honesty, and transparency. And I'd say, you know, from a regulation standpoint, there are laws in effect as far as, you know, if it's true or like truth in advertising and, and, you know, the Federal Trade Act by the Federal Trade Commission. But more importantly, you know, it's maybe an eye-op-up call where, you know, a country of origin labeling law or putting something on a menu makes more sense. And why I say that is you think about states like Louisiana and recently in Mississippi and Texas where they've enacted country of origin labeling law. So, you know, just like you'd see where an oyster comes from

when you go to a seafood restaurant, you know, and it's something that, that, you know, is exciting. Or let's say five guys, you know, you go to five guys and you get, you know, your hamburger and your French fries, and it tells you where the French fries came from. You know, it's just as easy to do that with shrimp. I'm putting that on your menu saying, you know what, this shrimp came from South Carolina or this shrimp, you know, was sourced and however they want to market it, whether it's responsibly sourced or, you know, farm raised or harvested in, you know, Vietnam, or wherever or just say it's foreign imported shrimp, you know, if that's on the menu, then the

consumer is able to decide, hey, do I want to purchase this or do I want to maybe, you know, spend my money somewhere else? Now I know I'm either supporting local or not. And I think that that's a real value to the consumer. And I think that that's probably a path forward as far as addressing the proliferate or the sheer pervasiveness of the statistic that you mentioned, where, you know, you say we got to 91%. That was 91% of the restaurants tested. And I hate to sound redundant there. But, you know, we sell to a lot of other good restaurants too.

But, yes, the Seed Consulting did say about 90% or 40 of the 44 that were tested. Now, the 25 were the ones that we honed in on because according to seed, those are the ones that were outright fraudulent. And that's why we brought the case specifically against them. Brian, is this just going to be the first shooter drop? Could we be hearing that other restaurants in South Carolina, line are doing the same thing soon yeah you know um it's possible and we hope that you know that this case serves as sort of a clarion call or like a um a cautionary tale to those restaurants that may be doing that maybe not doing the right thing and that's up to really you

know see consulting in the southern shrimp alliance who commissions it where they may send it because they've done multiple tests like I said we were the eighth state um to to be tested but but They've also gone back and done testing in, you know, Louisiana, Texas, and, you know, I think there's other large seafood consuming markets in the state of South Carolina that would certainly, you know, garner the attention of that sort of testing. If you think about, like, how many people come to, you know, coastal regions like Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head, Beaufort and the Bluffton area, I think, you know, it's certainly, you know, possible.

You know, we want to make sure that, you know, folks have the opportunity, one to know what they're getting. And too, you know, we, like I said, you know, we definitely support the good restaurants and doing the right thing. And we encourage other restaurants, you know, to see an opportunity to support, you know, our local industry and what consumers really want at the end of the day. Do you have any advice, Brian, for how we as customers can prevent being duped when it comes to buying seafood? Yeah, you know, I kind of alluded to that earlier. And it is one of those things that we definitely encourage to ask, you know, before you order, you know, to ask, hey, you know, where did this shrimp come from, you know, so they can make choices as a consumer.

But I would also say that coupled with, you know, some sort of accountability measure like encouraging, you know, lawmakers to say, you know what, we want to make sure that we're getting the fresh, healthy shrimp, you know, it's important and an important distinction to make. And it's not just about, you know, the fact that we love the shrimp here and it's great and it tastes wonderful and it's superior and quality. But it's also, you know, some folks want to make that decision because we're not. When they think about, you know, imported shrimp versus domestic shrimp, there's a lot of concerns about imported shrimp, you know, the lack of testing when it comes into the United States,

about 1% is inspected. And then also the concerns around ecological concerns, environmental concerns, and human labor issues. So I think, you know, people are intentional and they do want to support, you know, domestic seafood production, support families, these rural coastal communities. I come from a town of 600, I'd be remiss if I didn't say, you know, each one of them wants to invite all you down here to, you know, enjoy some of our southern hospitality. Last thing here, Brian, as you stated earlier, four of the 44 restaurants were confirmed to be serving genuine U.S. wild caught shrimp. Can you give those four places a well-deserved shout-out? Absolutely. There's a Rappahannock Oyster Company in downtown Charleston.

I've been there. There's the, really? Oh, it's amazing. Wonderful. There's the Cousal Creek Crab House, which is up in the North Charleston area. And then two, they're a little closer here is Acme Low Country Kitchen which is on the Isle of Palms and then Grace and Grit which is in Mount Pleasant as well. Well, good on those places for serving the shrimp that they say that they're serving. Thanks for your time, Brian. We'll be

following this case closely. Yeah, thanks. If you all want to, everyone go shrimp and come on down. We appreciate that. I appreciate your guy. Randall, you ate. Yes. What was the place? Rappahannock oyster bar, I believe. Give me a review.

Uh, sort of a hazy memory, like many, uh, evenings out in a... What age were you? Uh, mid, mid-20s. Okay. Uh, we're down there, maybe December-ish. We're going to Kiowa Island. Mm. Uh, had a night or two in Charleston before we went out to Kiowa.

All the ingredients for a hazy memory. Yes, indeed. If I remember, the drinks were strong and flowing generously. Okay. We ate a lot of oysters and, uh, that's about it. Did you order shrimp? I can't recall. Yeah.

Just say yes. Yeah. You ate it one of the... And it was authentically South Carolinian. One of the four places. Good to know. I think good takeaway for the audience, right, is like, illegal things don't exist unless there's a market for them. So, yeah, part of how you can be weigh in on any sort of seafood fraud or wildlife fraud.

Um, crime is be sure of what you're buying. Yeah. It's not that hard. Yeah, I was, uh, just at the fisherman's daughter in Minnesota and I was eating walleye that were caught by a boat, um, out of that town. And if I were to find out later that those just came from like some waters in Canada far, far away, I'd have been very disappointed. It'd have been a very different experience.

Yeah. So I think that that matters to folks. Especially in a place, in a place like Charleston where, you expect that everything is coming right out of the water. Yeah, it's like their personality. It's part of it. Hey, folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. You might not be able to join our raffles and sweepstakes and all that

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if you visit onxmaps.com slash meet All right, our next segment is Gear Talk. Let's talk about gear fake beat. Let's talk about scopes and beats. Let's talk about boots and binos, camo patterns with Yon-D. Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about gear. Wonderful.

When I heard that, I told Phil, it sounded like he was singing in lowercase. It's just perfect. This is a great time to plug. the upcoming Christmas album which is just a compilation of all of Phil's little ditties perfect stocking stuff for those of you who still own a CD. Maybe that could go in the auction house of oddities just like a mix tape on an actual cassette of just all the drums. And Phil writes on there himself and permanent marker what each song is. I actually have a Christmas album when I was like 22. I remember yeah. I recorded a Christmas album including

some like holiday greetings. They're like, hey guys, this ran. Randall. Okay. And I burned it on like eight CDs and sent them out to people. Do you still own a copy? No, I don't. You don't? I would pay so much money for a copy. It was so good. I knew what we were going to do for our Christmas episode of radio. The last track was Silent Night and German. Stilly night Holy night All is schlaflank But here we are in August All right

Each of us has a gear review For you today Randall start us off All right well Got a couple items here That I'll go together Mm-hmm Let's see here

These are the Birchwood KC target stands Good sound effects They are bulletproof As you can plainly see They've been struck once or twice. Then I've got a roll of scotch blue painters tape. Bullet resistant would probably be bad.

Yeah, bullet resistant. Then I have the, this is the Gordon utility knife from Harbor Freight. It's a nice price point. I believe it comes in at $5.99. You don't need to say that if it's from Harbor Freight. You can grab it right by the register, and you can get 50 blades for $5.99 as well. So I like this time of year, I like to do a lot of shooting. Well, I like to do a lot of shooting at any time of year, but it's more important than ever as we approach our fall hunting season.

So with this little kit, I can take any scrap of remnant cardboard from my garage or, you know, wherever I find it. And I can set up a little range, build myself a nice little square. You can see there. Oh, man, you can't see the holes, but that's some of my finest field shooting. There's two, well, you can see the right one. You can see the holes. You guys just are a little far away from it. I can see him.

860 some yards. There's two three-shot groups that are about three to four inches. And one's in the box. One's just to the right. So just dialing in the wind there. Tell me about the t-shirt. That is a baby orangutan.

That's one of two orangutan t-shirts that I own. One is an adult male. The other one is this baby. I think I got the adult male t-shirt first. Okay. This one's just kind of a joke. The other one's your nice orangutan. Yeah, that's the one that I usually wear to the zoo

because I want to have a dominant presence when I walk into the orangutans. And you think the baby gives you the dominance? No, no. That's why I wear the adult. Oh, you're all the baby is just for shooting. Yeah, there aren't any orangutans anywhere nearby. It's for yard work.

But yeah, I just, I think. Do you tell people it's not an ape? It's a great ape. That's true. That's true. Yeah, I just, I like to shoot cardboard because you can see what your bullets doing. A lot of people just like to shoot steel. And if you hit the edge, it's good enough.

But the cardboard doesn't lie. And you can haul it way out there, stick it well beyond your reasonable shooting range, and just see what your bullets do in a distance. So, yeah, it's economical. This whole kit, I think, I'd price somewhere under $30. Okay. And, yeah, everybody's got carbure lying around. And if you don't, find someone who does.

I bet you have extra, because I imagine some trash blows through your property. Yes, lots of anything that's not weighed down blows into our property. But does it keep going or does it stay there? No, there's a nice funnel. There's a terrain funnel and then a barbed wire fence at the bottom. So it catches all kinds of tarps. Speaking of, I put a Tupperware full of Christmas cookies on top of my car as I was leaving your place one time. Did that ever turn up?

No. No, especially in December, in December, you're getting some good wind. That's right, yeah. Yeah, we had a kid's swimming pool one time that showed up, and then we didn't do anything. with it. And a couple months later, I saw it like a half mile away. So yeah, we, we collect all kinds of stuff that's good for shooting. Locally sourced cardboard. A lot of cooler lids, a lot of styrofoam. A couple, uh, politics signs. Oh, okay. So yeah. Yep. Yep. That's a good, that's what I got. 30 bucks, improve your shooting. Uh, enter the field with great confidence this fall.

Okay. Good takeaway. Good one. Cal, what are you reviewing for us today? Uh, we're talking about the first light forge waiters. I, so this is new to the market. New like this week, right? Yeah, but we've been playing with these and improving these for three years. I think I've had five different pairs of waiters and during this very intensive product development phase. and ideally this is a waiter that has come to the market fully field tested and the consumer should have complete faith in their purchase here.

So this is a big purchase, but it is done in such a way that you should have complete confidence in this thing to take care of you. very burly it's like a lifetime pair of waiters out there so um first light literally spent years perfecting things years yeah and that also caused a lot of questions to be asked when folks would see it in instagram content or youtube video and be like what when are these waiters showing up well your answer is now yeah right now and um so i mean they they are backed by a great warranty as well the boots and the waiters and uh Man, they're just, yeah, they are burly. So you've got to ask yourself if you want six pairs of the discount,

you know, general sporting goods store waiters that you try to return throughout the course of your season. Or you invest in these babies and they're going to take care of you for years as long as you, you know, don't let them sit out. out in the sun for half the year. You're going to be rocking these for a long time. Knee pads, minimal seams. That I feel like I've heard is the big selling point, right?

That there's a seam or just a couple seams? Very few seams. Yeah, if you've ever stuck anything underwater, it's the seams that typically fail. Or like if you're staring at your tent and a rainstorm, water's coming through the seams. So this is a minimalist seam design, um not quite seamless but there's basically one seam in the in the whole deal so um

biggest takeaway is that we just tested the living heck out of them in every condition imaginable all across the country um and in uh one other country thinking about oh we call that country Canada okay um we wore them up in Alaska bear hunting and there's a lot of crawling around on rocks and getting in and out of boats and just doing all sorts of things that you wouldn't want to do, especially with water temps like that and a pair of waiters that you didn't have confidence in. So that was years ago, but they've only improved since. Yep. Available now on firstlight.com. Yes, sir. All right, I am reviewing an Oru foldable kayak. Fold it up, and we've got pictures of this thing on the

video if you're watching on YouTube. It's the size of a large suitcase. And then set up, it's the size of a normal kayak. It weighs 17 pounds, has a weight limit of 250 pounds. That's just their base model. For context, my regular 10-foot kayak has a weight limit of 275, so it's not that different. It's made of a thin, corrugated plastic. It feels and looks, it's the best way I describe it. Feels and looks like heavy-duty cardboard that's like waterproof you sometimes see. It looks like I want to snap it into my Birchwood Casey target holders. Yes, like a political sign. Those are great targets. I worked the produce. section of Walmart and college, and this is what our produce would come in. It was that type

of cardboard. And they were very desirable. Folks would come in asking for that cardboard for free, specifically the banana boxes were the most coveted. Or when you get a mail hold in the post office, that's a great box. That's the closest thing. The closest thing I can describe to what that material is. The base model, it's $500, which is within the price range of what you'd expect to pay for a nine-foot kayak. I bought it on sale, and they have sales all the time father's day fourth of july memorial day if you if you are interested in one don't pay full price because it's it's going to be on sale sometime soon i bought it for a road trip to more to northern minnesota and i told my wife beforehand i was like i think we get home and there's a

50% chance i'm putting this thing on facebook marketplace i was i was just like pretty pessimistic um we go on the trip i use it four different days including on lake of the woods that's america's sixth biggest lake and devil's lake that's america's 22nd biggest so some big bodies of water. My takeaway after using it all summer was I love it. I'm a really big fan of this thing. I've got some pros and cons here that I wrote out for you. The biggest pros are the whole reason that you'd buy a foldable kayak. It's compact. It's really light. It doesn't take up much space in your vehicle or garage. It's easy to travel with. It doesn't take up room in your truck. Like I said, I can securely lock it in my pickup if I'm traveling and sleep at a

hotel in a sketchy part of Spokane. And I'm not worried. that it's, you know, going to be gone. It's a good town choice. Yes. I've stayed in some sketchy parts of Spokane. Yeah. They'll chew through your truck bed there, though. They're going to have to work for it.

We love you. Yeah, they're going to have to work for it if they really want it. It's easy to carry. It comes, you know, they're, it's easy to carry if you're trying to get to some hard-to-access water. And they make a backpack for it. It's kind of an awkward 17 pounds, but it's no problem. I maybe wouldn't go up a mountain with it, but you could, you could hike a quarter mile to some other water access

you needed to get to. It's very open, so all of your gear is visible and accessible when you're in it, which is my preference when you're fishing. If you're not familiar with kayaks, there's sit in and sit on, and one of them the sit in has like a cockpit and the sit on, it's just sort of an open

space. For fishing, I'd prefer a sit on because everything is just very visible and you can reach anything that you have with you in the boat. And so far it seems quite durable, which is surprising because like I said, it's so similar to that heavy-duty cardboard we were talking about. They measured the lifespan of their kayaks in folds, and they say it's 20,000 folds.

Wow. It can handle. So I did the math on that. You do two folds every time you use it. If you use it 25 times a year, that means you have 400 years worth of folds on this thing. And genuinely, it only takes a couple minutes to tear up and put back together. So their marketing on that, that it just takes a minute, it's legit. Now, here's some of the cons.

it's not super comfortable. I need to get out of the thing after like two hours of being in it. Again, I just have the base model. They do offer gel seats and other padding you can buy. I haven't done that. I don't think it's going to be

an enormous game changer. You're not going to be like, damn, I could take a nap in this thing. But I think it would probably make it easier to be in. Because it's so light, you really feel the wind. If you're used to a regular kayak,

you'll notice this right away. This one folds up. Well, it folds up, and it can, it takes on some wind you notice it if you're if you're casting in a log that your feet are facing and a breeze picks up it's going to be at your shoulder pretty quick it's easy for the to wind to to really manipulate you um and this could be a pro work on but people are going to come up and talk to you about it i took this on a lake in western montana last week and i had three

different folks while i was getting set up before i got on the water came over like what is this thing what do you what do you doing and my wife uh she was she was confused by it she was like Is this, are fishermen always this chatty? The answer is no. So maybe that's a pro or a con, depending on how you feel about social interactions. Oh, yeah, you approach a guy with the boat like that. You're like, well, he's not going to catch anything. Yeah.

Well, he doesn't know what he's doing. If he owns this, he wants to talk to us about it. That guy's a sucker for an Instagram ad. That's right. What's the weight capacity on that bad boy? 250 pounds. Oh, damn it. Like I said, my regular 10-foot kayak is 275.

I'm not to make sure I go pee before I get on that thing. Well, you know, Randall, there's a big buffer, I'm sure. We've actually got a segment about that coming up soon. Now, my big takeaway is I'm always going to owe the foldable kayak. I'm sold. I love this thing. It genuinely gets me to fish more because it's so easy to store transport and set up. It made the barrier to entry of getting on a lake to go fishing super low.

And that's resulted in just more days of me going out fishing. If I'm on the fence, it's very easy to talk myself into being like, well, I'm driving. there and I get out and I'll be on the water in three minutes and fishing. And that's phenomenal. Yeah. That makes it worth it alone. And I think back to college and how I would have loved owning this thing and keeping it in my GMC Jimmy.

Like I would have had a very different fishing experience in college if this kayak exists. Oh yeah, plus a little duck hunting. That's right. Not too many shells though in there with you. Oh yeah, we fold that baby up. Got to make them count. Put it in the bottom of the blind. I mean, I do think the best gear is

gear that gets you out. This does it. Like that lowers the barrier to getting outside. I think any outdoorsman would enjoy a foldable kayak, but specifically if you, like, live in an apartment or a dorm, or if you don't drive a vehicle that makes it easy to transport a traditional kayak. Or if you ride the bus. If you ride the bus, if you struggle to...

Limited storage space at home. I mean, man. If you struggle to lift 50 pounds, if you're just, like, annoyed at the thought of moving a kayak in and out of a pickup or on and off of a vehicle, then, like, you are the person who would benefit the most from having one of these. So I'm very excited. It's its best, like, outdoor purchase I've made in years. I'm sold.

I just need to see if they make any adult sizes. I'm using the base model, the entry level kayak. They make bigger one. So I'm sure the weight range goes up. Magnum. All right. We are halfway through the show today. Let's take a break for some listener feedback, Phil.

What's the chat got? Yes, Rashad asks. Has Cal salvaged anything cool from the dumpster lately? Oh, well, thank you for asking. I just had my head in that dumpster yesterday. Is that our dumpster or like a dumpster where you live? No, a dumpster where I live. People can't quite figure out cardboard recycling.

And it costs us like $200 because like, well, we send a whole other garbage truck to go pick up the contaminated recycling. So my, my fun deal is jumping in the dumpster, going through people's trash until I find what you always find, which is our shipping labels. And then I take a picture of that and, typically address them eyeball to eyeball.

Really? Yes. Wow. Yeah. And you just like wait for that encounter to happen naturally or like you'll go to their door? No, I make it happen. Wow.

Okay. Yeah. All it takes. for evil to prevail is for good guys to do nothing. That's exactly right. This is like the shrimp fraud. Yeah, you got to hold these people accountable.

And you know what the people always say? I just didn't know. To which point I'm like, okay, well, now you do. Thanks a bunch. Have a great day. Okay. Thanks, Rashad. Good for you.

Connor says, I drew a non-resident waterfowl tag for South Dakota. I'm looking to get a camper top for my Tacoma, hard top versus soft top. Cool. Cool, cool. Um, no matter what direction you go, you're going to be giving up something. Mm-hmm.

Like, it's just inevitable. Um, yeah, you, you know, all the, all the answers here. I, there's, there's so many, like a soft top that you can, like, accordion back, throw, uh, you know, your bikes over the tailgate and put big stuff in there. People still call you to help move and things like that. The hard top, uh, you're going to be a little more restrictive. because you can take them on and off, but nobody ever does. I've never been interested enough in a camper, sliding camper to shop for one.

Have you owned one? I think he's just talking about a topper. Oh, just a top. Or a tonneau cover. A camper top for mine. You had an inflatable topper. I did, yeah. Yeah, the flated.

And that's a, that's a cool product. I would put that in the fifth wheel category. Like if you're a fifth wheel person, but you don't want like a bunch of snow and hay and crap piling up in the back of your tractor in the off season, get that flated topper and you're going to be set. I was, I was shocked that I saw that more than once when I initially saw it on your pickup. I didn't think it was long for the world, but it was, yeah, it was impressive. Yeah. I own a rooftop tent, a Super Pacific. I will review that on some future episode of radio where we talk gear again.

but I'm a huge fan of that tent. I'd like having a rooftop tent. Again, as long as my situation is like this where it's like just me and my wife, we don't have a dog, we don't have any kids, it's perfect for what we need. Yeah, I have a go fast camper.

So that's a, you know, big investment, as is the one Spencer just mentioned. And I got no windows in the whole thing, purely because Spokane, Washington. Yeah, the Spokane effect Spokaneist animation I want security I don't need people

Mm-hmm Like I want more deterrents than last You don't want your truck looking like a storefront window Right Yeah, mm-hmm I've thought of it like that What else you got, Phil? Not a question but a comment from Bill Randall

Thank you for your help on getting the raffle items for muster The trivia and signed cookbooks Had a very high return on investment I cook some Solins Is that right, Randall? I don't know, I've I was, I've heard about this brand. Salon's hot dogs over at the campfire in your honor.

That's lovely. Love it. And then we also had someone asking if we'd be coming to the muster in New York next year. Ooh. I'd like to. I'd like to. Randall will be there. He can't wait.

It's already on his calendar. Yeah. When is it, Randall? Well, it was the first week of August this year. Oh, okay. Or, no, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, maybe it was. I don't know.

Somewhere in that neighborhood. It's on his calendar, though. But yeah, I'd love to make it out. He circled it, red marker. Yeah, important to, to know. It's backcountry hunters and anglers, big eastern. One of the two big eastern events these days. What's the other one?

It would be the Black Bear Bonanza in Arkansas. But this is muster in the mountains. So I stand forgiven. He says the summer of 2028 is the next time New York hosts. So you've got some time to plan. Yeah. He'll put that on his calendar. Well, unfortunately, I do have a publishing calendar that goes that far out.

So we'll have to just match that up against our meat eater American history. On that note, Randall, if you'd like to answer this question from Devin, are the books like Mountain Men and Longhunter's on the website, hardcover copies, or paperback editions? They are all audio. There is no print version. Correct. Unless you get a bootleg copy on Amazon. Yeah, there was a bootleg copy on Amazon. Yeah, I know there's a lot of folks out there that would love to read it with your own eyeballs, but those are audio originals and audio only by. design um so yeah yeah you guys would be shocked at the process of making those books there's a lot of arguing a lot of arguing a lot of creative input from mini parties yeah it's a cool it's a cool thing watching randland and steve it's a very unique very unique medium yeah let's do one more phil okay brandon says i'm going offshore fishing in the gulf the charter supply squid but what other baits would y'all

I yeah live mullet like live bait is pretty darn awesome um but if you're going on a charter that's going to be pretty limited i'd i'd go ahead and just talk to the captain and and see what the options are but any anything that's still swimming that you can put a hook into is makes for a good time all right move you got anything to add randall for a boat captain i would uh yeah the other part of the continent you know i'd listen to your captain as a former captain i'd listen to your captain uh it's you know if if you want to go above and beyond following their advice and get something that's maybe not on the menu uh i'm sure they would appreciate the enthusiasm if you show up with something weird that they're not uh into

it might be a long day on the water especially if you're not getting into them there's going to be some uh finger pointing so we caught some uh grouper in florida on in the on the gulf side with freezer burned elk meat one time. So, you know, think outside the box. We're in the depths of the box. Very good. Moving on, our next segment is Hot Tip-Off. H-O-T-I-P-R.

Let's all do a hot tip-off. H-O-T-I-P-R. Let's all do a hot tip-off. Phil, do you love her new song, Saskatchewan? Spencer, I haven't heard it. Oh, okay. I haven't heard it since the, I haven't listened to any new stuff since the country tinged one. The giver.

Who is her? That's amazing. Chapel Roan. All right, this week's hot tip-off is presented by Mountain Ops. Whether you're training for the mountain or just trying to feel your best every day, Mountain Ops has your back with proven high-performance nutrition you can count on. From energy and endurance to recovery and daily health, their products are built to help you on the mountain in the gym or wherever your day takes you.

For today's fitness hot tip off, it's Janis Putellis versus Rich Fronning. Take it away, Phil. Yonis Pudelis. Hey, here's a hot tip for you for when you're thinking about working out and about your fitness and getting ready for this fall. Whatever you do, I hope you're doing something to get ready just because it's good for you. But don't do it just one day and then take a couple days off. A lot of hunts, especially.

Especially Western hunts, where you're taking a week off to go somewhere, if you're going out of state to hunt white tail deer, are going to be a four or five, six days hunting in a row, okay? So train your body for that as well. Okay, work out one day, run the next day, do something else with your legs. Keep doing it day after day so that your body is prepared for a four or five day hunt, okay? Most of these hunts are endurance events, not sprints. So make sure you're doing stuff one day after another. There you go. There's no hotter tip than that right there. Thanks for being patient, boys.

Bill, Spencer. Chica, chicka, slim shabody. My meat eater hot tip is the best program is the one you'll stick to. There's a ton of methodologies out there. There's a ton of different programs out there. There's people that think you should go long and slow to be better. There's people that think you need to be stronger. I think it's somewhere in the middle.

But do something. find something that you enjoy continue to stack days consistency is the key keep it up and get out there and do it all right Phil is going to create a poll

for the chat to vote on we're going to give them one minute to give him about 30 seconds here to get their results very similar tips really very and they didn't know what each other was doing it's almost as though Yanni sent that to his 20 minutes before the show

today he's in Alaska and I think he's in Alaska right now. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. So we've got Yanni's tip about training

like you hunt and Rich's tip about building a routine. Cal, you said they're similar, but which one which one do you like better? We're going to let the chat

decide, but maybe you can influence them. Poll is live. I mean, they're both very good. I like the simplicity of riches, which is like,

just do something. At the end of the day, like, All those something's add up. However, on Janus's deal of like, he didn't say it this way, but it's like, you need to exercise while you're sore. That is a real thing. Like, you got to keep stacking those days up. So I like that one, too.

Bill, we're going to give the chat like 20 more seconds here. If you're listening to this and you have a hot tip, Send that to radio at the meat eater.com with the subject line, hot tip off. And our friend Corey and our producer, Jake, you're going to review those. We'll have more hot tips coming to you in future episodes. All right, Phil, let's close the poll. Who is the winner between Janus and Rich? With 58% of the vote, the winner is Janus Putelles.

Oh, my God. Yonis Puteleis. Amazing. Glad he got that hot tip submitted. I'd go with Rich on that one. You know, sometimes you just grinding, recording audiobooks. It's tough to get a good workout in every day. But, you know, do what you do.

Do what you can do. Do what you will do. Yannis seems like that's a program for a man. It's got a lot of workout time. 58% of the audience liked Yanni's hot tip better. And again, hot tip off this week was presented by Mountain Naps. Hey folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. You might not be able to join our raffles and sweepstakes and all that because of raffle and sweepstakes law, but hear this.

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Go to onexmaps.com slash fish. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Corey Culkins. He's on a river in Montana and fishing for a donation. to the Wild and Scenic Rivers Coalition. Corey, welcome to the show. Oh, what's up, guys?

What's up, Corey? Now, earlier this week, I believe it was on Tuesday. Corey told me and Randall that he had a 50% chance of being successful today. About an hour ago, he upped it to 95% chance. Are you still feeling that confident? Yeah, I might even bump it up to 96%. Oh, my Lord.

He also repositioned since, since we last had him on the screen here. Uh-huh. Now, why- This is true? Why so confident this morning? Well, I'm literally watching all these fish rise right here. Plus, I did dip my worm in the water for a hot second,

and it didn't take long to catch a fish. And I backed off because I didn't want to burn the hole, went downstream a little ways, first cast with a different fly, and I got an 18-inch brown trout. Oh, geez. See if I can get three casts in a row is what I'm going for. now my goodness i saw the picture i mean 18 inches for somebody uh tell us about the fly you're going to use for one minute fishing oh let's see uh man that last fish the 17 and a half inch

fish according to cal uh ate a big chubby big dry fly but if i only get a minute to fish i'm going to fish with a little stonefly nymph this is a tan turd and i also have have a little PMD nymph behind it. So you're running three flies? No, sir. Just two. Two under a bobber. Two flies and a strike indicator.

All right, Corey, you're one minute. I did just want to point out, look at this really cool heart rock I just found. Oh, beautiful. Take that home. Give it to your wife. All right, I will. Oh, I do have one note and one request. Yes.

I am self-filming, so bear with me here. I got to flip the camera around here in a second. Well I don't know if I can do that now And also last time I did this I believe the timer started When I walked away from the camera If I could get the timer to start

When I'd start my first cast No I started it at the perfect time Corey Okay Corey Your yeah I don't think you can rotate your camera When you're in That's okay. That we're gonna be okay with that Oh don't you worry

Just doing it manual style Analog Wow Yeah I mean if he can out of the frame. There's a real pro move here. Then we really have to assume. Not the best picture, but somehow still better than the pond on the other side of this wall.

All right, Corey, your one minute of fishing starts when you make your first cast. Flop it in there, buddy. We're watching. We'll make sure that Phil is diligently on that time. Stripping some line out. Go, Phil. Go, Phil. Oh, no, he's false.

There we go. Fly is in the water. his one minute just started. We've never had a more confident angler. And he set the hook. He is eight seconds in. Keep that line tight. He's getting the net

out. Oh my goodness. Oh, what is going on? Catch another one. Catch another one. A very professional landing. What do we got there, Corey? He's out of the frame now. Very healthy rainbow. Wow.

Another 18-incher. All right. 18 centimeters, Cal. What did it eat? What did he eat? He ate that PMD. Okay. Make another cast for us anyway.

You got another 20 seconds, Corey. Oh, okay. He's going back for his rods. I cut the music, Randall. Do you want to do some epic, like, Hans Zimmer style? Bum. Yum. Dun, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

That's more of a march. Just made his second cast. We'll see how. hungry the trout really are today. Stripping line. Mending line. We're not playing prices right this week. Oh no, I didn't want to do that one.

Slick little network there. You know what? That was such a fancy full professional landing that he did. If you're listening to this, it's worth going over to YouTube right now just to see what it looks like when a pro has a fly rod in their hand. Yeah, barely fit in the net. That's not what it looks like when I'm out fly fishing. All right, Corey, good thing you caught one on that first cast. That's right.

Well done, Corey. Three in a row. That's right. He earned $500 today for the Wild and Scenic Rivers Coalition. We were on a one-minute fishing success drought, so thank you, Corey, for ending that. Nicely done, sir. Hey, no problem. It was easy, obviously.

You coming into the office later? How far away is that boat ran? Yep. Don't tell us. I got about four, I got about four more miles. Okay. Don't tell my boss. All right. Well done, Corey.

Thank you for joining us. Send us more pictures. All right. Last for today, we are playing fake news. Let's play fake news. A peat tape and rush up. He tugged balloon working from flying a UFO. Steve is a better shot than y'all miss.

So is that so? This opportunity comes once every few weeks. You can do what things you can sign me up for the Christmas download. It's amazing. Yeah, we'll set records at the auction house. It sounds like, yeah, it's, is that a shot at Janus? No, it's a shot at Steve because I was listing like fake news stories. A fake news story was Steve is a better shot than Yonis.

Right, but it's, but you're also doing an M&M song with Yonis's new hair. Oh, that's true. This song existed before. Yeah, yeah, I didn't even think about that. All right. fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three impostors, Cal and Randall's job is to figure out which one is true. All right, here is the first headline, officers use blank to remove snapping turtle from roadway.

Is it bocce ball, leaf blower, chopsticks, or RC car? This is a real headline. Earlier this summer, officers use bocce ball to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use chopsticks to remove snapping turtle from roadway or officers use RC car to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Bochie ball leaf blower chopsticks or RC car.

Cal and Randall. Do you have an answer? I know that there is a headline out there, conservation world-wise, that involves an RC car. Okay. I just don't know if this is it. Are you boys ready? Yeah. Go ahead and reveal your answers.

We have Cal saying leaf blower, and we have Randall saying leaf blower. Officers use a leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway. You both got it wrong. The correct answer is RC car. Cal knew it, but he didn't know it. That headline was from Dakota News Now on July 25th, 2025. It comes from where I grew up, Hutchison County, South Dakota. Officers said the snapper was causing a traffic jam.

Their sheriff's office posted the video on Facebook of a tactical RC car harassing a snapping turtle as it crossed a road. The RC car's real function is to place spike strips during pursuits. The sheriff's office has since deleted the post with Facebook comment. enters flaming them for not finding a more simple solution. Here is that video. Play the clip, Phil. He didn't say it was a tactical RC car. Well, the headline didn't say tactical RC car.

And that is made to deploy spike strips, but instead, it is pushing on a snapper. I'm just going to guess there's just not a lot that happens in this part of South Dakota. I mean, yeah. This looks like just some juvenile delinquents. Uh-huh. Yes, I understand. I feel like if their parents saw this, they'd get in trouble. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, I, I understand why it was deleted, uh, folks were being like,

you know, you can just pick those up, uh, you can just like, let it be, um, the snapping turtle, like hunting community and appreciation community is pretty strong. Like, people, people love dealing with snappers. Yes. I, almost all the snappers I've eaten, uh, came from a roadway as I was just driving down the highway in the summer. So that dude instead pushed it around with his RC car. All right, here's the second headline,

Cal and Randall are 0 for 2. We should say something about like Doge for that. Oh yeah, the news story about that

RC car had mentioned that they got the RC car in a grant. Yeah, it's probably some home man security chases.

Yeah. All right, headline two, blank found in gift-wrapped box at Dashpoint State Park. Is it

human toe? Titanic Artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return, or Rare Furby. Dashpoint State Park is near Tacoma, Washington. Blank found in gift-wrapped box at Dashpoint State Park. Is it Human Toe, Titanic Artifax, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return, or Rare Furby, which one of those is the real headline? No clue on this one, but I know what I want it to be. Okay.

Randall, are you ready as well? Yeah, I'm just going with a real fun one. Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying, Human Toe founding gift-wrapped box at Dashpoint State Park. We have Randall saying Rare Furby, founding gift-wrapped box at Dashpoint State Park. The correct answer is Human Toe?

Ah! Cal got that one right. He wanted it to be the Human Toe, and it was. the human toe. This headline was from Seattle's CBS affiliate K-I-R-O-7 News on July 9th, 2025. The box was discovered on a Puget Sound beach over Father's Day weekend. The man who found it said it was wrapped in green cloth and had a yellow bow. The tow was turned over to the King County Medical Examiner's Office who tracked down its owner. They said the digit was medically amputated and that the man who it belonged to wished to remain anonymous. So case closed.

Phil is now going to show his photos of that toe. If you're watching, this is your last chance to look away before you see a very disgusting picture of a decapitated human tail removed human toe. Oh, that's worse than I thought it would be. Yeah. Describe what you're seeing there, Randall. It looks like some sort of marine creature.

Yes. It looks like a... Desiccated. It looks like an alien oyster. It looks like a movie prop that you'd see and you'd be like, well, that's not what, uh removed human toe looks like uh it just looks ridiculous but there's colors that shouldn't be there yeah it's some kind of like rock that i'd find at a gift shop yeah i think the color i'm assuming

is the antiseptic mm that they liberally hosed around the digit before they cut that let's cut back to the cat yeah there we go there we go human toe founding gift wrap box at dashpoint state i just wanted to know uh how did you come up with burby. Well, because I'm a child of the 90s. So, you know, that, like, has claimed some space in my brain. In this particular instance, though, like, the person who found it probably has legal claim if the owner of the toe is like, I don't want anything to do with it, right? That person, I don't think, wanted it. He reported it right away. And he told the news that there was a dead seagull nearby. So maybe the two are related. Whoa.

Turns out they were. Isn't Seattle where, like, the foot, the foot and the shoe washed up on shore? That sounds right. I think so, yeah. All right. Our third and final headline of the day. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Blank's voice. Is it Scarlett Johansson?

Eric Cartman, Christopher Walken, or Missy Elliott? Cal and Randall, very quick to answer. Do you boys know this one? Yeah, I do. Okay, they've seen the real headline. We'll give folks listening and watching right now though, a chance to come up with their answer. The newest tool for hazing wolves,

Scarlett Johansson's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Eric Cartman's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Christopher Walken's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Missy Elliott's voice. All right.

I would have gone with Missy Elliott's music. I thought we were an option, but Missy Elliot's music voice. All right, you boys ready to review. the correct answer? Yes. Let's see them. Both players saying

Scarlett Johansson and they got it. The correct answer is the newest tool for hazing wolves, Scarlett Johansson's voice. That headline was from Outdoor Life on August 4th,

2025, just a few days ago. This is part of a project by the Department of Agriculture that attempts to keep wolves away from livestock. They're using a loud speaker that broadcasts alarming sounds such as fireworks, gunshots, and people arguing.

Their audio of choice comes from the 2019 film Marriage Story starring Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson in that five-minute scene Driver and Johansson scream at each other

while on the brink of divorce here is one minute of what those wolves are hearing. Oh no, that's a tough watch. I can't believe I'd know you forever. Oh, you're fucking insane. And you're fucking winning. Are you kidding me?

I wanted to be married. I'd already lost. You wouldn't love me as much as I loved you. What does that have to do with L.A.? What? You're so merged with your own selfishness, you don't even identify it as selfishness anymore. You're such a dick!

Every day I wake up and I hope you're dead. Dead like it, if I can guarantee Henry would be okay? I'd hope you'd get it. this and they can get hit by a car and die powerful stuff here's a spoiler that they do get divorced after I was hoping that seeing that clip would would stir some

memory of what that movie was about but my only the only thing I can recall is just them screaming at each other I didn't like that tough watch tough watch hard hard stuff Cal has pulled himself away from the table Cartman would have been good Eric Cartman would have been good

what would it sound like Phil if any of those other folks were delivering some audio to keep wolves away from Livestock. Your choices are Eric Cartman, Christopher Walk, or Missy Elliott. My! Ma'am! Get these wolves away from these cows!

Oh, very good. I really love that. Do you have any more? No. You gotta be able to do, Chris, for Wals. What are you doing by that fence? You got it all wrong. You don't want to be there. Well, no, he's not in the movie.

Anaconda, is he? Walking, no, isn't that? I'm thinking of Angelina Jolie's dad. Yeah, John Voigt. Yeah, never mind. Do you have Christopher Wagon for us, Randall? No, but I was trying to come up with a Missy Elliott song, and the only one I can recall is get your freak on. And I don't really know much of it except for just the chorus, which repeats the title of the song.

Musical masterpiece. Hey, stop. Don't go there. That's great. What are you doing? doing. The watch. He shoved it up his ass. Those cows that, not for wolves.

You got it, no, you got it all wrong. See? You got my guy all wrong here. I don't think that would keep the wolves away from the livestock. I'm glad. They'd be intrigued. Because he's such a mysterious character. They chose Adam, Driver, and Scarjo screaming edge. All right, that's the end of today's show. Phil. Let's get some final feedback. Oh, goodness. Okay.

I saw a bunch of questions from the first round that we'll hit. How about some local tips without spot burning? Will says he'll be flying into Bozeman next Tuesday. Any tips for a first trip to the area? Looking to do some fishing in Alpine lakes and streams within two to three hours of Bozeman. Now, do this without spot burning. Yeah, Will, biggest tip, go carry on. The Bozeman Airport is an absolute mess right now.

Yeah, they're doing a bunch of baggage claim and construction. Yeah, and with all the guest ranch, Yellowstone, influx of tourism, it's brutal. If you feel like you're being followed by a suspicious character and you need to get away, just put on a cowboy hat. There you go. You'll just blend in. Put on a felt cowboy hat in the middle of summer in Montana. It seems to be a real trend. In all seriousness, just get away from people.

Yeah, two to three hours, that can get you to the other side of Yellowstone National Park. That can get you to the other side of Missoula. There's a lot of fishing between here and there. Go to OnX, turn on the layer that shows you like you're looking at Google Maps, not the aerial, and you'll see all these little bodies of water. They all have names. Go type that into Google. The Montana, FWP does a good job of telling you what fish are in that lake, as well as what I really like,

how much angling pressure a body of water gets from surveys. You'll see some numbers that are only double digits, like 95 angler days. That would imply no one is fishing. there. Other lakes are going to be in the thousands. So just pull up on X, find something that looks nice, and then see what the FWP has to say. Choose your own adventure. And then

you get the feeling of, hey, I did that. It's great. There you go. Zach says, speaking of gear, he sent this in a while ago, is there a new gear item that you're bringing into the field this fall? A new piece of gear. You have not used

yet. I have an Illinois deer tag, and so for the first time in my life, I will be hunting with a straight wall cartridge. Cool. Straight wall Spencer. I'm excited to give that a shot. That will be a new piece of gear for me. Man, I got, I got to look up what the heck it is, but I got a new razor the other day,

and I'm super pumped on it. I'm not going to be bringing this into the field, but it's like a one piece aluminum, replaceable blade razor made here in Belgrade, Montana. I'm looking it up right now I'm pumped on it Randall great product You know in preparation for today's segment In case

In case it wasn't clear to all Proof razor Randall that's there it is It's called proof Groof razor for shaving your face I don't have any new gear At the moment that I'm real excited about I spent most of my money this

Most of my fun money this year on a few ill-advised fun gun projects and a whole pile of suppressors so you should if you have gear you should send Randall your free gear and here's the best reason why someone sent him some hot dogs

and then he posted about those hot dogs on Instagram and that video got how many views I think it's at like 1.1 or 1.2 million 1.2 something like that something like that oh I don't know there's a hundred thousand difference that was just because some hot dogs showed up Addressed to Randall's name.

Guys send me some hot dogs from Wimmers Meets. Shout out Wimmers Meets, I believe, in the great state of Nebraska or Kansas. It was the best marketing he could have ever done. Yeah, but they don't have an Instagram page, so I was going to tag them in it. But yeah, Case Meets out there got them. We'll put them up on the internet. People are, hot dogs are having a moment on the internet. So I don't know that it's core to our audience, but it really made the rounds with a very strange subset of people.

Phil, what else you got? there was a question for cow about what the best route for backpacking through the frank church wilderness or is it wildlife preserve wilderness area yeah wilderness areas if you have any tips about where to start or where to um there is a lot of water along pretty much every access point into the frank church so um it's a big wilderness area but it's heavily accessible there's a road that kind of it goes all the way through it um so you have lots of options it's a gorgeous spot um go for it yeah no there's no wrong answer there cool Zach says Phil what's your Pokemon Go friend code um Zach I don't actually play a lot of Pokemon Go the only reason to have it on my phone is for my kids uh I played a lot in 2016 when it first launched who could forget it who could forget when Hillary Clinton urged us all to Pokemon go to the polls yeah that worked out really well for her. That's what it was at its most relevant. But there are a lot of people

that still play. She lost the election that day when she said, now we need you to Pokemon Go to the polls. Yeah. Yep. So still talking about it. Sorry. Sorry for the heartbreak there. But Zach's question can get you to play Pokemon Go a little more now that you have potential friends to make. Maybe. I don't even, I mean, Zach, you tell me what I can even do in Pokemon Go these days. I only know the all the stuff you could do nine years ago. So I read that as not Pokemon GoFriend code. I read that as Pokemon GoFriend code. And I was wondering what a GoFriend code was. I feel, let's do a few more. Okay. Let's see. Get in some questions because I think we're running out of ones that I feel like reading. I saw one in there about the Little Miami River, Phil. Oh, sure. Yeah. Talk about it.

Randall? We love the Little Miami River. It's the greatest, one of the greatest rivers in our country. Wow. It's actually mentioned by Thomas Jefferson in his book, Notes on the State of Virginia. And he's describing all of the rivers he's ever heard of, and he describes the Little Miami as not affording much navigation.

But southwestern Ohio, just outside of Cincinnati, kind of tickles the east side of the Cincinnati, 2275 Beltway. We love it. We love it. Our vice president was just floating on that river for his birthday. As a child,

I was very confused by a few names in the country. Miami, Ohio being one of them because of their university who's sometimes relevant in college football. No, that's Florida. And then also the Washington football team

was like, well, that's like the West Coast. It didn't make sense to me. I see. How they were in the same division as the Eagles and the Cowboys. Well, I don't know how Miami, Florida got it.

name but oh oh ohio had it first well it's it's a the it's people it's an indigenous it's an indigenous um nation so the great miami river little miami river miami river miami university i don't know there um maybe there was diaspora i know like a lot of those tribes in the ohio river valley were were pushed out and they created a sort of diaspora across the country so i don't know if that's how miami got its name but i'd like to claim it for ohio it's yours bill what else you got Christopher says cow what is your weapon of choice for your big bear hunt I'm bringing my I'm bringing my recurve and a 300 wind mag so I have a big bear hunt coming up brown bear fall brown bear

in Alaska out on the peninsula and so it's actual coastal brown bear which is like a just a spoiled kid adventure that I never thought I'd do but it's happening so I'm going to try to sneak up on some old stanky brown bear with my recurve and and um usher him silently but effectively into a deep slumber with a well-placed oh 580 grand arrow and then I'm going to have that 300 wind mag for ideally getting a couple of wolves because they're supposed to be just a ton of wolves in this area and then if all of this goes to plan my big thing that i want to do is is do uh like a korean style barbecue on the beach with brown bear and wolf who yeah that'll be

fun yep they'll give us one more uh uh yibado if you got too this is this is great content oh i had one ask it was one for me that i don't think is interesting so i'm trying to find another one, but I'll just say, does Phil Cook? What do you do meat eater roast? The answer is, I cook a little bit, but I'm not confident enough to be in front of a camera cooking a bunch of meat that I've never cooked before. I was supposed to be a judge for one episode, but I got bumped for Randy Newburgh. It was tough. Because plainly after watching my episode, it's a prerequisite that one be confident in their cooking to compete in meaty to roast. Yes, of course. All right, before we get out of here, Randall has a plug for next week's episode where we are doing a movie club. Oh, that's right. That's right. Next week, we will be, talking about the 1997 film Wild America one hour 46 minutes it tells the story of the Stouffer brothers 29% on rotten tomatoes

you can stream it on tubi for free and I think the other streaming options out there require some sort of nominal rental rental fee but I don't know how many people are actually watching these movies so we decided that tubi was sufficient it's quite literally free like if you have a smart TV or

any kind of streaming stick service yep it's free But tune in, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, you might know him as the voice of Young Simba. He's the star. And then Scott Berstow stars as Marty Stouffer, the famous filmmaker. You might know him from his work opposite Kevin Costner in The Postman. Oh, all right. Scott Barristow, that is, Marty Stouffer, not, I don't, you know.

I think Phil is really going to excel in this movie club. Yeah, it's going to be a good one, tune in. You can probably do the Postman, too. I know, the Postman, Waterworld. Oh. I'm just going to do Costner's filmography? Yeah, it's a rich, it's a rich, uh-wah. All right, thanks for watching, thanks for listening.

See you back here next week.