The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 747: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CLXXVII

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Mark Kenyon guest hosts MeatEater Trivia with Janis Putelis, Clay Newcomb, Brent Reaves, Tony Peterson, Maggie Hudlow, Bear Newcomb, Heather Douville, and Spencer Neuharth. Connect with MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and YouTube Clips Subscribe to MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube Shop Trivia MerchSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You can get a free three months to try out onX if you visit onexmaps.com slash meet. Welcome to meat eater trivia trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I'm your special guest host today, Mark Kenyon, and this week I am joined by Janice, Clay, Brent, Maggie, Bear, Tony, Spencer, and Heather. This is a 10-round quiz show with questions from meat eaters' four main verticals, which are hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking. and there is a prize.

Mediator will donate $500 to the conservation organization of the winners choosing. And today we have a lot of new faces, a lot of out-of-towners here in the studio, which is exciting. But two of them are first-time appearance folks on the podcast here. We've got Bear and Heather. Heather, how are you feeling here today? I'm feeling good. That wasn't convincing, to be honest. I'm ready.

You ready? Yeah. She studied all nice. Heather was thinking she needed to practice for this. Oh. How do you practice? I don't know. You gifted me the game.

I did. We've used all those questions, though, so I don't think they'll show up today. Here's my only concern, Heather. Right out the gate, I do know that you're not good at guessing people's ages. Because you, you, yeah, last night, supposedly, separately, separately, both Corey and Tony told Heather that I am 24 years old, and she bought her, hook, line, and sinker. It's not hard to do Mark.

Would you have told that joke if she would have thought you were 51? No. Probably not. I am in fact 37. But if you were to have a specialty in trivia, what would you think that would be? Is there something that you're particularly good at or weak in from our four verticals? Hunt fish, cook, conservation?

Strengths, I'd say, traditional knowledge. Okay. Jan Ed. Digitist culture Yep Yep What about you, Bear? Well, I'll be honest

Every time I listen to the trivia And like keep track of my score I'm always like bottom of the pack Like I don't know where Brody is pulling out All this random knowledge It's your dad's fault actually Brody's almost 70 years old That's a lot of experience

That's where that comes from Heather guessed him at 68 Yeah, back to that time They did give me some hints I didn't study but pollinators I should have studied pollinators

Oh yep Butterflies In all honestly That will help you today These are these are These are Mark Kenyon version Yeah this is Mark Kenyon version

If you are a book reader That will help today That's all the clues I'll give you Okay Spencer there are a lot of folks here in town Do you want to let the audience know Why we have all these folks in time Like once a year, I feel like the whole crew gets together and we shoot guns and look at new products and record some podcasts.

There's going to be some fresh voices on radio today. I think Clay Newcomb's in the captain's chair. Just General Mosian. That's what Bear Newcomb says he does at home. There we go. Every day he does some general moseying to which is very annoying to his dad, Clay, when Clay says, Bear, what are you up to you today? It's just so nondescript. It's like the perfect word for a lot of activities.

It's the perfect word to say to your parents if you're just trying to be nondescript. It's like the word aloha. It means a whole kind of thing. We're just general mosey. It does seem incredibly on brand that Clay's son says something like that. So you've trained them well. How do you feel outside of the driver's seat, Spencer? Is this like, do you enjoy this or are you nervous? I like playing.

And I wouldn't entrust someone. one in hosting if I didn't think they would do a good job and uh as as yani had said having you pace him for the last 10 miles of his hundred mile race was what was your reason yawning because you just trust that mark will do like a good job he'll study he'll try hard right that's right that's right and mark is new to uh running ultra running and i thought that it would be it'd be a good exposure experience for for mark too he'd get something out of it'd be appreciative to be there to your first point he's just organized he will try hard he'll like put in a real effort

So I think Mark will do a good job Which he did do for me if anybody's wondering Mark had a great job pacing Okay what would have been a bad job Besides just like walking Just like not being able to do To do enough talking Not being able to keep up the positive positivity

That's needed What did you guys talk about? Well to be clear real quick before you on he says anything. A key thing he mentioned at the very beginning. He was like, hey, Mark, I don't have much in me right now, so don't ask me questions. Do not interview me. Just talk at me.

I told him, I was like, I got it in me for an interview, buddy. Mark was just going to podcast at you. Pretty much. That's what I did. What did you podcast about? Knowing me, basically gave him like five book reports. Yeah, I got to know about a lot

of books. Some of Mark's new project he's working on here at Meat Eater. Yeah, it was good. What else? I told you about my recent backpacking trip with the kids, some of our fun summer exploits, talked about my Iowa deer plans, and then generally just told Yanni how proud I was of him

and how inspiring he was. That's nice. And he wasn't quitting. One of my other buddies pulled up in his truck, jamming some Wu-Tang for us to get me fired up, which was working. Okay. And while Wu-Tang's blaring out of the truck,

Mark Stillard is like that's true I'm also excited because the person hosting gets some constructive feedback from the people playing to which Tony is here and you guys have such a good relationship that I'm certain he will be upset with you at some point I think that's fair we have that kind of relationship I'm excited for that uh-huh and there's a little bit of a withdrawal I think for Tony because usually when we have these

big meetings here in town they make us room together So usually me and Tony share one twin bed And this time We got our own separate rooms and king beds So we have not been as close as we usually are I'm glad to be back here with you Tony I know it's been a nightmare at night

Because I've had to just build a little Mark Canyon out of pillows And draw a little mustache on it But it's not the same snuggling level It's just different I can show you some websites for that time Just not quite the same Anyways maybe it's time to get to the show I think it is

So, I think that's all the, like, little bits and pieces we need to do. Can we just, can we just get to the drop, Phil? Oh, let's get to it. Can we just get to it? Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything. How's that? Just tend to win everything.

Phil isn't used to someone asking him to play the drop. He's used to someone, like, demanding him. It's like the difference between asking a dog to sit versus telling a dog to sit, and Phil hadn't, he doesn't normally have someone. If I don't feel threatened, then what's the point? Yeah, way too polite. Sorry about that. Yeah, that's okay.

So is it best to get, if we don't know, is it best to just leave this blank or guess? Go ahead and guess. You're not going to lose points for anything. So give it a shot. And funny guesses are funny, but they don't get you extra points. Yeah, and also, like, feel free to, like, yack it up, talk with us, make some noise, try to distract other people, have fun with it. So, when you competition coon hunt, you're in this game that has a bunch of rules that's very different than if you actually went coon hunting with somebody. And so you might lose the competition coon hunt by the rules, but everybody kind of knows who won.

You know what I mean? You kind of like, I've been in many hunts where I was like, everybody in this truck knows my dog was the best. But you may have beat me. That's the way I feel about trivia. So a good answer is sometimes better than a right answer. I want to know what dog that was. Anyways, we will be easing you. We're going to ease you too into it as we do every show because the first question is multiple choice.

All right. So question number one, the topic is hunting. Let me see the question of our, all right, here we go. In the 2001, cult classic hunting. hunting-themed film, Escanaba in the Moonlight, what was the name of the character whose Chevy took a shit on the side of M-35? Is it A, Bobby Goulet from Grand Moray?

Is it B, Jimmer Nagamini from Menominee. Is it C. Remnar Floret from Marquette? Or is it D? Ruben Shabagan from Montanagan. Was any of that in English? It's all in Michigandese Escanab and the Moonlight

It is a terrific film I can't wait to ask you all about If you've seen it or not Terrific is a stretch mark Well it's all in the eye of the beholder My friend We reviewed it for the Meadeer Movie Club On Meadeter Radio

I knew we talked about at some point So we'll see if any of you guys Are up on this one How many of you have seen this movie? Raise your hand Oh wow Oh there you go two All right

How many of you've heard of Escanaba into Moonlight Okay This was the year you were born, right? You know, I had a real roundabout way of founding out about Escanaba and the Moonlight, especially being from Michigan. I'm a young hunting guide in Colorado at this point,

and I've been at it maybe three years because I've guided these dudes from Missouri for two years already. Like the third year they come back, and I kind of guide like a big group. It's like one guide six or seven guys and I would just place them all across the countryside. And they come back the third year, and they are fired up.

They're like, Yonnie, we found this, saw this movie from the state that you're from. And it is awesome. And like, it might have been like their first sort of like exposure to that, you know, northern Midwest culture. Yeah. And yeah, that's how I found out about Escanab and the Moonlight. It's a cultural phenomenon, I would say. I'll read the question again for those of you listening

In the 2001 cult classic hunting themed film Escanaba in the Moonlight What was the name of the character Who's Jeffey took a shit On the side of M35 M35, but we say it 35 Spencer, you feel pretty good about this one? I think I've got this one

My top takeaway after we watch this movie Was that I would prefer to watch it as like live theater To which I found out They did It was wrote, I think it was written to be live theater and it's performed often in Michigan. Yes. At the Purple Rose Have you seen it? Chelsea, Michigan.

I've not seen it live. Okay. Oh, we should make a little meat eater trip to go see that. It'd be terrific. And it's Phil in it. Yeah. Well, I'll save it for after the question. Okay. Phil, how's your Michigan accent? I haven't done a lot of reps with it, but I'll get cracking on it soon. Are we good? Do we have answers?

Yep. Everybody in? All right, let's reveal the answer. Heather says A, Bobby Goulet from Grand Moray. Bear says Bobby Goulet Tony says Remnar Spencer says Jimmer Nagaminy Maggie says Jimmer Nagaminy

Clay says Jimmer Nagaminy Yanni says Jimmer Nagaminy Brent says Jimmer Nagaminy and the correct answer is Jimmer Nagaminy Well done As a good guess My Obuculus

Yeah you guys did well Escanob in the Moonlight is a bizarre film from my home state of Michigan takes place up in the UP where things are a little bit different. It is starring Jeff Daniels, the famed actor from Dumb and Dumber and many other things. It tells the story of the Buckless Uper.

So this guy named Ruben Sodi goes up to his family deer camp and has to kind of face down the fears of becoming the oldest member of his family to have never killed a buck. And so it's this tremendous story of a true Michigan deer camp. And hilarious family dynamics, the whole UP culture thing going on, and then some very bizarre off-the-wall things come in maybe in the second half of the movie. And Mark Kenyon's favorite movie, right? It's up there.

As far as, I mean, it's... You watch it on an annual basis. What's this movie rated? That's probably PG-13. Okay. I would not let my kids watch. Borderline, Mark. Yeah, sorry.

You could watch it, Clay. You could watch it with Bear. Yes. Yes, you could. I'm going to add it to my list and make my kids watch it this weekend. To be clear, are they in trouble?

The first third to half of it is very funny if you get like Northern Michigan, northern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota, like deer culture. The second half is like, what happened here? So, be warned. Okay, are we ready for the second question?

This is a little bit tougher. I put my hand from Snowy River on that. Question two, Phil. We already watched. So, all right. The topic is biology. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who's most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? And is it okay to give a clue?

Because I was thinking maybe we need to give a clue. I mean, if the whole room would agree on it, but I don't think Clay Newcomb would. No. No? Because Randall said that maybe I should give a clue on this one. If Randall, the anti-clus, clue guy says that you should then I think you should. I'm going to let Phil decide.

Phil, clue or no clue? How many people feel confident in this room if they have the correct answer? I'd say that if two people feel confident then I don't think a clue is warranted. Well, there's only one. No, both Brent and Clay raise their hand. I thought Tony would have this one maybe.

Brent don't know it. I'll read the question one more times. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popular the term biodiversity. I'm going to give a little clue. I'm going to give a half clue.

If you were to look at this dude's initials, E is one of the initials. I got it. I was questioning myself. It's like half the answer, Mark. I think Clay should get a secret tip from Mark on whichever question I needed for this. Good news for you, Clay's.

I don't think it helped anyone else. Maggie already had that answer. Yeah. Oh, did you? Yeah. Good job, man. All right. Randall told me that my questions were tough,

so I want to try to make sure that we don't get too low of a score here or there. How are we doing? Questions in or answers in? No. One more time, then the question is, what is the name of the famous biologist and author, who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? How many of you could give me a definition of biodiversity?

city off the top of your head. I'm ready. Clay Newcomb. I can give you like a paragraph of an idea of what it is. That's pretty good. I don't think I could give a very succinct definition. The variety of flora and fauna in a given area. That's pretty good.

That's pretty decent. All right. We good? Off the cup. I'm going with it. Are we ready? Let's see what you got. When in doubt.

Heather thought it was Stephen Rinella. Thayer went with Eldo Leopold. Tony went with Darwin, Spencer went with Darlane, Maggie went with E.O. Wilson. Clay went with E.O. Wilson Yonnie said Darwin. Brent said Ernest Hemingway? No, Wilson. I knew him by Ernest.

His name's Edward. Hemingway. Hey, can I say something about E.O. Wilson? Yeah, the correct answer is E.O. Wilson. So he wrote a book called Biofielia. Sure did. Which, Mark would know this, but Biophilia, it's an interesting.

interesting idea because we're the only species on earth that is super interested in other species. So biophilia means love of life. As far as we know. And it's actually what kind of makes us human is our dramatic interest in all these other species. And I find it interesting because in the book of Genesis, the first job that man had was to name and, you know, care for animals. So

it's this core fundamental definer of humanity is our biophilia. Yeah, and so the theory of biophilia explores kind of the evolutionary history of why we have that deep connection to nature and to wildlife. It's very interesting to consider it. And very interesting angle there

with the Genesis story. That makes a lot of sense. Well, and E.O. Wilson is very well known for, like, studying ants. Yes. Which is so cool. That was his first gig. He's written in, like, such, such, like, small degree, like... Oh, man.

He's gone from the very tiny, so the very large. Yes, and it's, like, it's not just loving, like, you know, the animals we love to hunt or, like, the big places. It's looking at, like, how these tiny little animals function, and it's just mind-blowing. Yeah. So, let me tell you a little more about this stuff. I could have been reading E.O. Wilson. According to the National Museum of Natural History, biodiversity is the extraordinary variety of life on earth,

from genes and species to ecosystems and the valuable functions they perform. E.O. Wilson explained it as the very stuff of life. That said, according to many scientists and researchers, including E.O. Wilson, we are living amidst a biodiversity crisis with biodiversity and species prevalence plummeting across many parts of the country. E.O. Wilson has written about this extensively. In addition to being an author, he was a professor at Harvard.

He is widely considered one of the greatest natural scientists of all time. He won a Pulitzer Prize, several actually, I think. And as you mentioned, he wrote the book Biophilia, he wrote the book, The Diversity of Life, and Half Earth, which explored a very kind of moonshot solution to the biodiversity. crisis of somehow to some degree setting aside half of earth to the conservation of nature. Pretty far out idea.

Probably not really realistic, but it has led to a more realistic goal, which many are proposing and many countries are now pursuing now, which is the 30 by 30 initiative. So many countries are now trying to conserve 30% of their land by 2030. And that's thanks to E.O. Wilson. How close is the United States? Not very close. I mean, do you know roughly? I feel like it was like 14%.

That could be wrong, but I feel like it was somewhere in the teens. And there's a lot of questions around a couple of years ago. There was a bunch of work being done on this, and we started setting aside something. It was like the 30 by 30 Atlas or something, the conservation Atlas, and the big project being done about three years ago, was trying to start cataloging exactly how we would define these lands that were technically conserved for the, 30 by 30 initiative and then how far what long we were and I feel like I remember it was somewhere in the teens but there's a lot

question around is it actually land versus marine environments etc does it have to be public land versus maybe like private lands with a conservation easement a lot of questions about question three we ready ready question three the topic is fishing what popular game fish

is known to the scientific community by way of its Latin name as Megalops Atlantis What is wrong with you? Yeah Alright what popular game fish So we're looking for the common name Yes

What's the common name Of the fish Who has the Latin name Megalops Atlantis Megalops Atlantis Is anyone confident on this one

Tony? Yes sir Maybe Yon's got it I feel like I've got a reasonable guess Okay I don't want to give any clues. I want to talk about it, but I don't want to give clues.

I think you should definitely give a clue. What are these fish's initials? No initial guesses or no initial clues on this one. It is a game fish, yeah. You have to be specific. This isn't something you can give like a generic fish. So the answer was... Big fish won't work.

Yeah. If it was deer, you need to see. either meal deer or white. That's correct. That's correct. There's clues in the name. This is such a... This is such a Mark Kenyon question.

It absolutely is. This is just a window into your soul, buddy. This whole show is exactly that, Tony. I asked the question, I believe, in a previous episode that had the same answer. Did you? Interesting. It's what's throwing me up. A couple more seconds than I want you guys to have your answers in, please.

Did you write something here? Heather? Throw something down there. There's a lot of fish. There's a lot of fish in your world. Pick a fish. Any fish. Pick a fish.

I'm going to go with the blank. Oh, okay. All right. Answers in. Are we good? No. Oh, Maggie's still? No, I know that's not it.

Oh, come on. 10, 9, 8, 8, fine, fine, this is not the answer. All right, let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says large mouth bass. Tony says King Salmon, Spencer, Atlantic tuna, Maggie, striped bass, clay, barracuda. Yanni says tarpun.

Brent says blue whale. The correct answer is tarpon. Megalops Atlantis is a tarpon. Tarpin are one of the absolute coolest fish in the world. I've recently become obsessed with them. I caught my first adult tarp in this spring. It was about 75 pounds, which is maybe four or five feet long. Caught on a fly.

Absolutely blew my mind. They can grow up to eight feet long. They can weigh well over 200 pounds. They can live 50, 60, 70 years or older. They are, by far, I think pretty widely accepted as the most exciting fish to chase on a a fly as far as they feed on the flats so they feed in shallow water they'll chase a fly just like a bone fish or you know a big brown trout or something but then imagine a six foot long fish that weighs 150 pounds exploding out of the air and jumping three four or five feet in the air and these

fights with these fish can last hours i only had to fight my fish for something like 25 minutes but i know people who have had a fish on the line for two hours four hours 12 hours um it is is mind-blowing. I've never experienced anything like it. I remember when that fish came tight, when I saw this fish coming at the fly, a strip set, the only way I can describe that feeling,

and I think this is something a lot of people could relate to, it's like if you were holding a very large dog on a leash and it sees a squirrel, and that moment when the dog, you're not expecting it, but that dog explodes in chasing that squirrel

and you're holding the leash on the other side, and all of a sudden, if that was what you felt, this explosion at the end of the line is that dog tries to chase the squirrel, That's kind of what that one second moment felt like when it came tight. And then from there, it was just insane. So, tarpen.

They look like dragons. Are all of these questions designed so you can just brag to the room? All of these questions are designed so I can talk about stuff I like. That was a great story about. You did a great job to transfer in the passion and energy that change this story to a dog going after a bear. Ah, okay. Everyone knows what that feels like. Yes.

Very exciting. Every part of your story just needs to be as flashy as possible. I get that flashy mule. I knew that a squirrel dog would be a little bitty dog. Yeah, I was thinking more like... He'd hit the end of that leash and it'd feel like you had a brim on. Yeah, in my mind, I was imagining like a Great Dane or Rottweiler. Yeah, like in a city park, too.

Yeah. Yeah. Because this rider doesn't know what he's talking about. Because the thing is, like, with every other kind of fishing, usually, when you feel the take of a fish, there's usually a bend in the rod, right? Your rods like this, and you feel like the tunk-tunk, and you set the hook or something like that. But in this case, there was no rod or

real intermediary. The rods pointed straight out the fish, and the line is connected straight from my hand to the fish. So there was nothing else in the way. It was simply my hand on the line, and this 75-pound fish on the other, straight connection. What's he doing with his coffee?

I'm trying to kill myself. All right, we got some folks who don't like Atlanta. We can move to question number four. That's all right, Pram. Question number four. Brett, just put fake poison in this coffee for those who are listening. Hey, Brad, can we make this a murder suicide here, buddy?

Jewel to double. The topic is cooking. Cooking question number four. What's the name of the popular meat pie like dish that's uniquely popular in both the UP of Michigan? in Butte, Montana. Oh, my gosh. What is the name of the popular meat pie-like dish

that is uniquely popular in both Michigan's Upper Peninsula in Butte, Montana? Who makes them better, Yanni? I don't know what to spell. Michigan or Montana? I don't think I've had one in Montana. Have you, Spencer? I've had one in Butte.

I've not had one in Michigan, though. They're dang good in Michigan. Butte claims to have, like, more Irish, like a higher density of Irish people in Ireland. Something like that. They make some outlandish claims about how Irish they are. A lot of minors come over to the state, huh? Yeah. Oh, that's going to be in the flavor text, I bet.

Hmm, just might be. Now, are there two common names for this? I mean, there could be like the plural and the singular. It would have to satisfy that it's the popular dish. in Michigan and Butte. Yeah. To which I think there's only one answer. There is only one answer.

I got you. But I would accept the singular or plural answer. Yanni, you have it, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. How are we? Are we good? I don't think you have it, Cluette.

Do I have to do something? Yeah, no more blanks, Heather. You've got to put a food dish up. I'll change it if you go. Win the game against Clay that Clay plays where it's like not actually going for score. That's what you're competing. Just try to make us laugh. Come on, come on.

You just, like, give us, show us. Funny. Not off the cuff. Oh, that's probably not true. You were the one who inspired this very funny video idea with Brent calling folks up in the middle of the night when they're trying to fall asleep. That's why I wasn't in it. I'm the producer. Okay.

You're behind the scenes. Find the talent. Okay. The idea. Fair enough. All right. Heather, you in? I don't know how to spell it, but I'm guessing.

it's wrong, but it's a meat pie dish from the Middle East. My mom's Middle Eastern and it's called Threeha, I think, is how you say. It's so good. That's my favorite. It's my favorite. It's meat. Not correct, but does sound good.

Is it time? Yes, it's time. Let's see your answers. Heather said Shvia. I feel like he's right. Bear says Shepherds pie. Tony, Pasty, Spencer, Pasty, Maggie, pasty, clay. Mints, meat, pie. Yanni, pasty. Brent Perogi. The correct answer is

pasty. I never heard that word of my life. No. It's a savory It's a savory handheld meat pie like dish. Imagine like a grown-up hot pocket. It is pasty. According to the Upper Peninsula

Travel and Recreation Association, pasties were the original fast food of copper miners and lumberjacks. Brought here from the mining region of Cornwall England. UP, which is Upper Peninsula, U.P. Wives would fill the rolled-out dough with leftover beef, potato, onion, and Rudebaga, fold the pastry in half, seal the edges, and bake.

Legend says the miners would take these golden pastries into the mines and reheat them on a shovel over their lantern candles. Pretty cool, huh? I like that. That was really cool, Mark. We recently had a similar question about a similar product called a Kalachi. that you can find in Texas. Oh, you can find those all over the south.

So how many of you have had a pasty? Mm-hmm. You, three of you? They're good. They're all over the UP. Do they have them up in northern Wisconsin at all? Haven't seen them. I don't go to northern Wisconsin.

Fair enough. I do. I've never seen one. They're worth a try for anyone who's not had them. Very tasty. You can get kind of different versions of them. Are they a deer camp staple or not? Not for that.

Not for my deer camp. We're below the bridge, so maybe up in the UP. So there's the, you know, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is separated from the lower peninsula by the Mackinac Bridge, which is this very, very long bridge across the Great Lakes there. And the Yupers would like to say that people like me are trolls because we live under the bridge. And so we technically can't claim the pasty. That's a UP thing. But when I'm here in Montana, I can claim it.

How do they say it up there? Pasti. Or pasties. Pasti. say like pasty. No, well, I don't know. They've talked funny up there. They've got their UP accent, but I guess it'll be pasty.

Yeah, that sounds good. You want a pasty? Bill's been working on his accent over there. Sorry. I hate you, Spencer. He might even debut it on this episode, he said. Okay, let's move along here. Let's move along.

Question number five. The topic is public lands. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas? Yanni, you looked surprisingly slow on that one. I thought you were going to be right away.

Well, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding the question correctly, but I'm pretty confident in my answer. Okay. Yeah, I think you'll get it. Anybody else feeling very confident. Maggie was quick. Maggie being involved in the website, I think, has a strong chance of this, because I would think that we've written about this. Now I'm questioning myself. Oh, really?

Really? Is this a trick? Maggie, did you write the little editorial that prefaced the three poaching articles? Was that you that decided to put in that little editorial up top? Must not be. In the email it came out. Oh, that was me and Jordan. That was good.

I like that. Don't be a moron. Yeah, that was good. I appreciated that. So this is an agency that manages some segment of our public lands. And they are responsible for inventoryed roadless areas. That is the key. Who has answers?

I have a wrong one. I'll read the question one more time and then we're going to wrap it up. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres. of inventoried, roadless areas. Let's get those answers in here. Heather. All right. Heather says the USDA, which is the Department of Agriculture,

which does manage the U.S. Forest Service. Bear says BLM, Bureau of Land Management. Tony says National Forest Service. Spencer National Forest. Maggie National Forest. Clay, U.S. Forest. Yanni, U.S. West Forest, Brent, U.S. Forest. The correct

answer is the U.S. Forest Service, which I think that maybe we should give to Heather, because it does fall underneath the USDA, so I would be willing to give you that one. The correct answer is the U.S. Forest Service. In 2001, the U.S. Forest Service announced

the roadless rule, which protected the U.S. Forest Service's remaining 58.5 million acres of roadless lands in a nearly undeveloped state. According to Trout Unlimited, the roadless rule was originally created in response to the growing backlog of costs associated with maintaining the more than 386,000 miles of roads spanning the national forest system, nearly 400,000 miles of

roads across the U.S. forest system. For more than 20 years, the roadless rule has conserved backcountry public lands and waters while providing flexibility for the Forest Service to steward these high-value landscapes through active management that improves forest health. health and allows for natural resource development. These multiple use areas sustain native trout and salmon support wildlife with unfragmented corridors and offer irreplaceable backcountry hunting and angling experiences. But earlier this summer, Secretary of Agriculture, Brooke Rollins announced her department's intentions to rescind the roadless rule and roll back those protections for our 58.5 million

acres of our last remaining roadless areas in the nation. If you want to learn more about that and the implications for hunters and anglers and wildlife, we just dropped today an episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast on this very topic with the CEO and president of Trout Unlimited. His name is Chris Wood. And he worked at the U.S. Forest Service in 2001 in the late 90s and actually was very deeply involved in writing the roadless rule and coming up with this whole thing. So it's a very interesting conversation about how this all came to be, why it came to be, what it does for wildlife and hunters and angeles. and what it would mean if this actually gets removed. Heather, you got a bunch country in your neck of the woods, right,

that's protected by this rule? Mm-hmm. It's a big deal on the Tongass. How is this going to affect you? I don't protect the roadless rule. You like the rollless rule? We got to, well, I have a lot of opinions about this whole topic. More time we want to spend here talking about it,

but yeah, we've got to protect our land. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, check it out. 2001, it's in its infancy. I feel like most big conservation, meaningful bills and acts are 50, 100 years old.

Yep. I didn't know that was so modern. Yep. 24 years old. Just like Mark. Just like Mark. I never thought about that. All right, Phil. I believe it's time for a scoreboard update. Do you have one of those for me?

It is indeed. And last place, spent too much time moseying, I suppose. Bear Nukum has zero points. Go to him next is Heather. Duville with one Tony Peterson and Brent Reeves have two points. Spencer Newhart and Clay Newcomb have three and tied up

in first place. Our Janice Putellis and Maggie Hublow with four points. Oh, Maggie. Could be your day, Mags. I've been waiting. This is your hundred mile right here. So yesterday we were walking out of the hotel and Tony says to me, man, nobody understands the amount of micro-stress that

a game of trivia caused you. Especially if you start badly. Tony, how much micro-stress are you experiencing right now, buddy? We talked about tarp in this morning, and I was like, there's no way Kenyon's going to be on the nose. I thought for sure you would jump on it. The first thing that popped in my head, I was like, this is tarp, and I'm like, there's no way he's going to do that. So I outthought myself on that one. Yeah, I was trying to kind of throw a bone to folks.

Like, I've been talking about it long. Right, no, I know. Yeah. All right, well, hey, there's time. Question number six. Here's one you got to get, Tony. the topic is hunting What was the name of the deer call

introduced in the early 2000s that attempted to simulate the sound of deer feeding on hard mast to calm other nearby wildlife? What was the name? Oh look, he did know it. Yeah. What was the name of the deer call

from the early 2000s that simulates the sound of feeding deer? supposed to calm wildlife around you. Did you own one of these? I never owned one of these, but we like to joke about it a lot. Right. Yeah, it's like the banjo minnow

of Whitetail Hunt. Yes. Which I did own banjo. I crushed some fish on the old banjo. Yeah. Like a lot of people did, too. We used to occasionally the way we hunted on public land

when I was growing up, you would, the limiting factor was White Oak Akerns. So you'd be hunting in a tree that was dropping White Oak acorns and there might not be a tree anywhere near it'd be like because there was a lot of cut over pine plantations with these riparian zones that had oaks yeah and so you could carry carry some acorns in your pocket and drop them out of the tree interesting idea they thunk on the ground

very interesting idea you know yeah i just heard another uh a guy some of the those on the southern outdoorsman podcast and he was talking about doing that going up the tree with a a couple pockets full and every now and then drop in a few. I mean, those deer are listening. Oh, yeah. And they're like, acorns falling. So a funny story from Bill Winky. One of his little tips for when you are, like, in a bedding

area, hunting deep in there. And it's like late morning and for some reason you want to get out, you don't want to stay in there all morning, which in this case, like if I was going to hunt a bedding area, I'd be there all day. But he said, if you want to get out, he would, he would collect acorns on the ground before it went up, and he carry a slingshot with him. And so

when it was like 11 o'clock and he want to get out there. If he saw deer bedded somewhere nearby, he would shoot them with acorns with a slingshot until they'd run off. And then he'd walk out. Wow. So the category that this call is in, I hunted down in Texas one time, and one of the guides was telling me about an electronic call that you could buy that you could hit a button and it sounded like a feeder going off. And he said they drop guys off and pick him up at the end of a three, four hours sit and their batteries would be dead because those dudes are just letting her rip.

That's good. Oh, man. Okay, do we have, is everybody good? Yep. All right, let's see the answers, please. Heather said, rattle hands. Bear, Acorn, muncher. The acorn muncher pro. Tony.

That's the kind of answer that gets you the W.F. Tony, acorn cruncher. Spencer, Acorn, cruncher. Oh, man. Maggie, acorn muncher. I was just pulling that out of my ass. The cruncher.

Yana said the muncher. Wren said the Browse chow or the Let's Eat Bleep. Great ideas. The correct answer is Acorn Cruncher or Cruncher. Wait, Muncher or Cruncher? It's either Cruncher or it's popularly known as the Acorn Cruncher,

but technically it was just called the Cruncher. So either one's okay by me. This was so close for pulling an answer out of my ass. Yeah, I'm giving you brownie points for that. According to a 2009 press release on the outdoor wire, the cruncher

is a compact, handheld call that simulates the sound of deer feeding on acorns. This natural sound relaxes deer in the immediate vicinity of your stand. It can also call in other deer that think there's food available. A calm, spooked deer, stimulates deer to feed, and

stops deer in a relaxed manner. Just like imitating a deer's grunt or recreating the rattling of antlers, the sound of a white tail feeding on acorns can cause a positive reaction. So they say. But, you know, as we were talking earlier, it's widely panned, it's a joke.

A lot of people kind of look at it as being representative of like all the Choshky gizmos that are marketed to hunters. No one does it like a white tail hunter. Yes. I also love the ground grunter that would be in that category, which if you're not familiar,

you're in a tree stand 20 feet in the air. The ground grunter is a long, plastic tube that runs to the base of the ground that you blow into a grunt call in your tree stand and that sound travels all the way down and then comes out at what would be eye level for a deer because all the deer are on to you if they hear a grunt coming from 20 feet in the air so that's why you want your ground grunter to produce that more realistic noise after that failed they called it the urination station have you ever have you seen the the the butt clicker It's a, so it's the, basically, supposedly there's a call that a buck will make where he makes an individual note of a grunt and he clicks.

Like the, just the, that one? Like imagine sliding a guitar pick down a low E. It's a real, it's a real deal. Yeah. There's a famous story in the Newcomb lore of the clicking buck that my dad had come in that he missed and he said it was clicking. It says make it individual grunts But there's a call that's on a wheel That has a little

You like roll it like the wheel of fortune That's cool I love hunting in a place where you can see Mature Bucks enough to actually hear these types of You know vocalizations like you just don't ever hear that in Michigan But I've been in Iowa and heard so many cool things Yeah Kansas It's very fun

Yeah All right question number seven The topic is public lands What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States? Very simple. What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States of America? It's a piece of public land. There's a bunch of critters out there.

The first national wildlife refuge technically is created by Theodore Roosevelt. Back in the early 1900s, there was an island full of a bunch of birds down in Florida, and the feather hunters, the folks that were killing birds to make pretty hats for ladies in the day, were killing all the birds. And Mr. Teddy Roosevelt was not a fan of that, so he got a hold of his folks in the Department of the Interior and said, hey, is there anything keeping me away from declaring this as some kind of refuge for wildlife? And his staff went and looked around, and they said, well, I don't think there is anything

keeping you from doing it. Teddy replied Well then I so declare it And that's how he created I believe that was Pelican Island I think was the first one And many many more have come since I declare

Yeah I so declare it Mr. Teddy Roosevelt That's a lot of power Should let our current president know About that kind of power that you can yield When you're in the position He might be interested In dropping a few more

wielding some of that Yeah Well No comment They have the Antiquities Act today That Teddy Roosevelt Used as well

To create our national monuments I don't think That folks in power these days Like our national monuments As much as Mr. Roosevelt did Anyone still thinking How are you feeling about this one, Maggie? I'm sure

Not too confident I like it. Do we have answers in? Everybody have an answer? Sweating. Losing in the second half. All right. Can we see those answers, please?

Heather. Oh, you got it. Darned. What I... What is now called the Tongus? Oh, the Tongus National Forest. Bear says the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. Tony said the Tongus, which is the National Forest.

Spencer says the Kootenay. Maggie says the Arctic. Clay says the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Yonis. Says the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Brian says the Oka-Fanokey. And the correct answer is Clay Newcomb got it, right?

The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. So, Yanni, Yanni got it, Anwar. What hell me was Tony's tip about Barrett? Yes. That you were excited about it. Yeah. This is a picture.

This is an image that I saw on Instagram of Mark in the Arctic National Wildlife. I actually didn't really realize I was in the United States. I was just thinking about your recent. I thought you were spending a lot of time right in your answer. The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is approximately 19.6 million acres. It's our second largest piece of public land.

The largest is the NPRA, which is the Western Arctic, just over on the western side of Alaska. This is the very far northeast of Alaska. And as Clay said, me and Kale just had a trip up there a couple weeks ago. That's how I knew it was going to be the art. Yeah, it was a phenomenal experience. We talked about it at length in an episode of Mediator Radio Live a couple weeks ago and an episode of, I guess it was on Kales Pod. We did it.

We did an episode of Kales podcast. But an incredibly wild place, this encompasses a portion of the Brooks Range, which is the northernmost extension of the Rocky Mountains. On the southern side of the Brooks Range, you've got boreal forest and incredible, you know, kind of inland mountain landscapes on the north. north slope of the Brooks range, you have the coastal plain, which is like an Arctic grassland. It's sort of the equivalent of the African savanna, but our North American version, teeming with hundreds of thousands of caribou, muscox, you know, at certain times of the year,

there are polar bears or grizzly bears, wolves, all sorts of critters. Life-changing experience for me and Cal to get to see that place. Very, very worth learning about or maybe someday seeing. There's amazing caribou hunting, great river floats, terrific climbing, hiking, backpacking. If you can ever find a way to get there, highly recommend it. All right. Teddy'd be proud. Yes.

Yes, he would. He's a big fan. All right, question number eight. The topic is fishing. What is the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct poles of your fly line. Come on, Barry. You got this bear. I do it every single day. You're an aspiring fly angler. Yanni was a fly guide. He's got it. Tony's got it.

Spencer is a... Spencer is a great guy because he got into fly fishing when he moved to Montana and then very conveniently kind of got out of it enough because he got into it so much that he bought a set of rod tubes. So these are your fly rod holders that go on top of your truck. He got those a few years ago. And then he, I guess, got to the point where he wasn't using them enough and was also getting a rooftop tent. So he mentions to me, like, oh, yeah, I'm trying to get rid of my rod tubes. Right at that time, I was thinking to myself, I need a good set of rod tubes to the top of my truck. So I got a sweet deal on some fly rod holders on top of my truck

for Mr. Spencer Newhart. It was the rooftop tent or the rodholders. One had to go when I picked the rooftop duct. I feel like I taught this technique to Spencer once. Did he listen? Hmm. I'm gonna read one more time. What's the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct pulls?

You know when you're talking about those micro stresses? Yeah, are you there right now? This is the point where my brain shuts down and trivia. You know this. I know this. I do this like every time I cast. And when I say it, you're going to be like, no. Don't say it yet.

Give me. God. There's like a very huge. huge clue in the in the you know I didn't know that I knew how to do this until I went fishing with Corey and then he commented on it so you're just kind of doing it naturally yeah yeah yeah so this is something that really helps like when you're a trout angler it's not you don't use it as much when you're fishing small creeks or anything like that but if you get into big water or especially if you start fishing lakes or salt water situations you really need distance you need to be able to get that cast out there fast And this is a way to kind of utilize the mechanics of your rod and momentum with your line to get that to really shoot out there. There's a lot of similarities between bow hunting and fly fishing, especially saltwater bow on it or saltwater fly fishing. Yeah, there's a lot of crossover there. And so with this technique, you're like, you're shooting your line at a fish.

Pretty cool. Do we have everybody in? Do you have this right, Clay? I hate this. I hate this game. Why do I keep playing this game? Maggie, this is in your wheelhouse. This is, I know this answer, but I don't have it.

Let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says the double haul. Tony says double haul. Spencer says double haul. Maggie says, Clay says backcast. Yanni says double haul. And Brent says double haul.

The room did pretty good. The correct answer is double haul. According to John Jurisek in Hatch magazine, the double hall is an advanced casting technique that increases the speed of the line during the cast. To achieve this, the line hand literally pulls or hauls on the fly line at select points in the casting

stroke. Once during the back cast and once more during the forward cast. Halls themselves directly increase the speed of the line. This also causes the rod to bend more deeply. And that deeper bend stores more energy in the rod, and when the

rod unloads this energy, it transfers it to the line and gives you all that speed. So the double haul on the back cast you pull your line with this left hand you're pulling back line and then as you forward cast it's like back and another haul

and it shoots that line out just like you're shooting a bow with an arrow it really does help it's simple it's kind of a weird thing to try to figure out at first when somebody explains it to you but it's like riding a bike

when you kind of just get the rhythm in your head it just becomes very natural and then you always do it but it really helps so if you are getting into fly fishing check out the double haul Orvis has a lot of really good casting

videos. I'd recommend Orvis's YouTube channel for learning some basic fly fishing stuff. The double haul? Definitely worth no one. Any questions? Otherwise, I've got a few more for you. You've answered everything. Phil, can we get another scoreboard update?

Yes. Brent, did you get the double haul? Yep. Okay, I thought so. Is it almost over? Heather is. We got to go. 10. Now in last place is Heather Duveille with one point. Bear Newcomb got himself a couple of points. He's got two now.

Good job. After that is Brent Reeves with three. Then Spencer, Maggie, and Claire are all tied up with five points and Yanis Sputellis has now pulled ahead. He has six points and is in first place. If I didn't have such a brain fart on that last question, Yonnie, be your head there with you. Go Maggie. All right.

These last, I think we've got one that a lot of folks would get. One is going to be a little bit tougher. Oh, all right. Question number nine. The topic is natural history. What state in the lower 48 has the most glaciers? What state in the lower 48 has the most glaciers?

It is so much fun to sit in this seat and not have the micro stress that Tony talks about. I could really get you. to this, Spencer. I'm happy to do this any time. Okay. Start coming to town more. Yep, count me in. I feel like Clay and Brent or feeling like they need to host one of these episodes.

Oh, I cannot wait. You're welcome to you. Anyone who wants to host. Mark's got to be here, though. Oh, yeah. That'd be like a revenge game. Which catfish? Mm-hmm. I've been in trouble.

Uh, how many of you have ever, uh, like, touched a glacier? I think Claybo has. No. In the lower 48, Clay? No. It's harder to come by. Yeah. Hard to get close to him, at least in the lower 48th.

A glacier, I think me and you probably had what I saw of your experience with the glacier. Mm-hmm. Was, uh, I think, like mine, it was like seeing a living animal. Yeah. It, it struck me like that. I mean, when you see geographic features, there's a certain response. that you have that's that's really majestic and awesome you know like but when I saw a glacier and I don't want to over exaggerate but it was just the truth it was it almost like took my

breath away yeah like a true large glacier it sounds dramatic like whatever but in the context of being in that kind of wilderness in that place being where I'm from I mean it was just kind of like it was just like wow and then and we were a mile from it and it it's huge and we just keep going towards it going towards it going towards it and what looks like a 50 foot tall glacier is like two I don't know how tall I still can't tell you how tall it was and we were right underneath it I don't know if it was 500 feet or 300 feet just like the scale was just like super hard to understand yeah but it was pretty spectacular yeah like a dog on a leash you Bonds to Black Bear.

Yeah. Something like that. Does everybody have an answer? Yeah? All right. Well, let's just get right to it. Heather says, nothing.

Bear says Montana. Tony says Montana. Maggie Montana. Clay Montana. Yanni, Colorado. Brent, Idaho. Wow, guys. Nobody got the right answer.

Is it what? California. The correct answer is. Washington Alaska Alaska has the most glaciers in North America Alaska's got around 100,000

glaciers but in the lower 48 Washington state is the winner They've got around 3,000 of them and Washington is also home to the most glaciated single peak which is Mount Rainier. Mount Rainier has 25 or 26 glaciers on that one single peak

Terrific place, Washington State's got a lot of really cool places to go and see these glaciers, according to the Washington Department of Natural Resources. Glaciers form in areas where snow accumulation persists through time, allowing the snow to pile up and compact into ice. It typically takes hundreds of years for a glacier to fully form. Glaciers behave like rivers of ice, moving, growing, and shrinking over time. They are bounded by the valleys that they reside in, but they flow under the force of gravity, and they also advance or retreat depending upon the climate conditions. They're very cool to see in person, like you said, Clay.

I got to get up in close and personal with the Mendenhall Glacier in southeast Alaska. And yeah, crazy, crazy to see that in real life. It felt like I was stepping into some natural history documentary. It was really cool. You can see how these glaciers are changing right now. There was a trail that I hiked,

and all along this trail, there were year markers that showed where the glacier used to be. And you could walk decade by decade and see how the glacier had changed. And just from 1996 to now, so, I mean, just a little bit less than 20 years, that glacier had receded somewhere around a mile. It had moved. So it used to be, I was standing at the 1996 mile marker, and the glacier would have been

right over my head. And then I'm staring at it a mile away, still huge, but different. So it was very eye-opening to see that in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Quite the spectacle. Grasshopper glacier southeast of us. I'm going to hike to someday.

There's grasshoppers frozen into the glacier. And they're like, you can't preserve them. People go up and try to pick them out. But they basically just melt as soon as they leave the glacier. Wow. Cool stuff. Cool stuff. All right.

That was question number nine. So I believe we should have another scoreboard update and a correct answer review. Well, just for the scoreboard update really quick before the review mark. It was a zero percenter, so we're right back where we were, but Janus is still ahead by one point, so this comes down to this last question. But it is, I mean, there's a strong competition still because Spencer, Maggie, and Clay all could steal. That's right. ...Maggy. Unless Janus gets it.

Yeah. You get it. You got this last question. E.O. Wilson, my behind. Eldo Leopold was your first guest, I think, Bren. That was a decent guess. That was a good guess, yeah, until I threw in the initials, yeah. Sorry.

All right, so the correct answer of you. something you do fail or should I review it? Me? All right. The correct answer to question number one was B. Jimmer Nagamini from Menominy. Question number two, the answer was E. O. Wilson. Three was

Tarpin. Four was pasties. Five was the U.S. Forest Service. Six was the Acorn Cruncher. Also would accept Cruncher. Seven was the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Eight was the

double haul. Nine was Washington State. And that leaves us with question number 10 for all the marbles, Yanni. Are you ready for this one? Bring it. All right. You could get this one maybe. You could win it.

Question number 10. The topic is conservation. Name wrong one, Phil. That's not the right. I'll see that one again. Name the author who wrote these famous words.

We simply need that wild country available to us, even if we'd never do more than drive to its edge and look in. For it can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures, a part of the geography of hope. Name the famous author who wrote these famous, words. I'm, well, I mean, I bet this quote is in his book. Name the author who wrote these famous words.

He also has written other books, famous author. We simply need that wild country. How many, has he published more than one book? Many. Okay. Does he work here? Maybe I'm giving too many clues Yeah you did

You did You have it You got a good guess We simply need that wild Country available to us Even if we never do more Than drive to its edge and look in Or it can be a means

Of reassuring ourselves Of our sanity as creatures A part of the geography Of hope What a hell of a good lot brushed up on that wild country before I came. Mm-hmm.

Would it helped you. The geography of hope, isn't that a great way to refer to this? Isn't that great? Should have just scanned Kenyon's diary. Yeah, buddy.

You would have won the damn thing if you did that. Come on, Tony. Unbelievable. I know. I know. Unbelievable. I know.

Does anyone feel confident? Well, I did until he said he's published many books. Well, he's published more than one. What kind of books? Maybe e-books.

Maybe not. I'm going back to my book. I thought I had a decent answer until I saw your reaction to Heather's question. Does he work at the company? Let's go, let's go. I can't tell you the answer to that. I don't think I got it.

if it's the person I'm thinking of I can hear them saying that all right we probably need to wrap it up though folks ready can we see some answers please oh Heather thought it was

Steve Rinella Bear thought Steve Rinella Spencer said Mark Kenyon Maggie says Mark Kenyon Clay says Aldo Leopold Yanni says Eldo Leopold Brent says Steve Rinella zero percenter that is a zero percenter

the correct answer is Wallace Stegner Wallace Stegner has written over 60 fiction and nonfiction books and is known as the dean of Western writers But I bet this quote is in your book meaning that Mark Kenyon and author

wrote these famous words in his book Is this quote in your book? This quote is the epigraph for my book. Okay, me and Maggie. On the second page of my book is this quote. I remember this. It informs the title of my book so that wild cussure is the book. The author, Mark Kenyon, wrote these famous words. He wrote those words. I did

Newhart, I did type them into the word document. That's true. I don't think I would have given We could go to a three-way tiebreaker though if we wanted to. Yonis, it would make it more fun. Yonty? Have you been listening to this argument? you guys didn't get it I think Phil Phil what do you say Do we give them that

I mean if What's the spirit of the game If we're just having fun I'd say absolutely But if if you're asking me to be a judge I would say no way We're here to have fun All right

Cause then we get to have a tie break Can you wrote these words I mean you're right I did type them into the word document As the epigraph For the book Well done Maggie All right so we got Wallace Stegner

As I mentioned He was the dean of Western writers. Wallace Stegner. Yes. And you guys should know Wallace Stegner. He taught at the University of Utah, Wisconsin, Harvard, and Stanford. He's recognized as not only one of the greatest writers coming out of the West, but one of our greatest conservationists.

That line that I read originally was a part of the Wilderness Letter. The Wilderness Letter was this letter that Stegner sent to a congressional commission back in the 60s as they were debating the Wilderness Act. Should we set aside wilderness in this nation? There was a big debate, discussion for years and years about it. Stegner was this famous professor and author and pulled into a lot of different administrations to advise on these things. He sent this long, lengthy, beautiful letter, which ended up getting published publicly because it was so influential. And then eventually that wilderness letter, which this came from, was actually used as the introduction to the Wilderness Act.

So all of our designated wilderness areas that we have left in this nation, They are there because of this act of Congress, the Wilderness Act. And if you go and read the text, it has that as well as a really beautiful pros here talking about these special places. I'm not going to read it all to you, but you should go check it out someday. Very good. I thought you just did it. Thanks, Mark. Yeah.

It was good. All right. So we got a three-way tie. That's fun. Hey, we can just do nine more questions if you want. I'm having a good time. What do we have time? We got Media to Radio Live in a half hour.

I'm enjoying myself. But okay. So, uh, tiebreaker question. Tiebreaker. It felt like a knife just jabbed me in the temple. Good. And this one's for Tony. So Tony, sorry you're not in it.

Well, everybody can play. Everyone will play along. Because if somebody gets it right on the nose, then there will be an extra $100 donation added to the end of the game. Phil, I sent you the text for the tiebreaker question. Yes, I have it. Let's see it. Tiebreaker.

How many acres of lawn grass are in the United States of America? How many acres of lawn are in our country? Why is that a question for me? Because you like to talk about pollinators. And I'm going to talk to you about pollinators. I think I speak for everyone in this room when I say I cannot wait for Spencer to be back in that scene. I've been saying this a lot lately. This might be our longest episode of trivia so far, by the way.

I think we're definitely over an hour. Really? Oh, yeah. So I'm talking too much. Oh, well. You got that answer, right? Man, I have no idea. How many acres?

How many acres of lawn do we have in the U.S. of a? Two hours later. Whoever's closest within the three-way tie takes the crown. You got it, Yanni? Yanni's got it. No. You know what, Yanni, in this room, Yanni probably listens to more episodes

of my podcast than anybody else. That's right. More than Tony Peterson. More than Tony, for sure, more than Tony. And we had a podcast talking about this pretty recently. I didn't listen to that one. I listened to the ones that tell me how to kill big bucks. Fair enough.

Not how to grow them. All right. How are we doing? Would we good? I can't wrap my head around this, but sure, yeah. All right. Let's see what you got. Heather?

Nothing. Bear says 15. Tony, 40 point million. 40.1 million. I wish you were in the game, buddy. Spencer's 101 million. Maggie, 1.5 million. Clay, 400 million.

Yanni, 357 million. And Brent, 100 million. The correct answer is approximately 40 million acres of lawn. Tony, you were so close. Dude, I've been in the tiebreaker almost every time I've played trivia and always got my ass kick. Did he say this number to you recently? Yeah, it's so close. That is crazy.

Mark says a lot of stuff. Yeah, so we've got about 40 million acres of lawn in this nation. And Maggie won. Did she? 1.5. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're closer than 1001. So Maggie won the game.

Yes. Well done Maggie. But I've won on a fluky thing. That's like, that's not even We're just here having fun We're just here having fun. Take your win. I'll take a W. We're here to have a good time.

Well done, Maggie. The reason this is on my mind is because like I said, Yanni, we had this guy in the podcast named Doug Talami, who has popularized an idea called the Homegrown National Park Idea, which was this idea that, hey, there's 40 million acres of lawn out there that's lousy for wildlife, as lousy for birds and bugs and pollinators in the whole nine yards. So what if we could try to teach people to turn their lawn?

into native vegetation for wildlife and bugs and bees. Well, I'll have you know, Mark Kenyon. I've been busting my butt this year trying to grow some native grasses and plants on my dirt patch of a new lawn. And it is not easy, but we're getting some roots in. Good for you. Well, that's fitting that you won today. It's a three-year process. Sleep, leap.

No, sleep, creep, and leap. First year, it weeps. The second year, it creeps, the third year it leaps. That's right. There you go. Well, I'll be dealing with dirty, muddy dog paws in my house for three years, I guess. It'll be worth it. Well, well done, Maggie.

Who are you going to be donating your winnings to today? I got to go with the Wyoming Wildlife Federation. Very good. Great organization. Very cool. I appreciate you guys playing along with me. Thanks, Mark. Well done, everyone.

Good job, Mark. Good time. Well done, everyone. Join us next week for more meat eater trivia. The only game show where conservation always wins. Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth, mellow tones, he lays them questions down. And he likes taking those two- and three-year-old bucks.

And he's an avid, amateur. Rockhound. This is an I-Heart podcast. Thank you.