The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 752: The American Chestnut and Fishing Infomercials | MeatEater Radio Live!

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Brody Henderson, and Seth Morris talk with the American Chestnut Foundation's Jared Westbrook about the "near mythical" tree, chat about their favorite First Lite gear to commemorate the Season Opener Sale, play another round of MeatEater Price is Right, and host previous 1-Minute Fishing winner Pat Durkin to see if he can repeat the magic of his first appearance. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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live from Me Deeter H.Q. and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Seth and Brody. On today's show, we'll interview Jared Westbrook from the American Chestnut Foundation. Then we'll be reviewing some gear that's currently on sale, followed by the Price is Right, and finally, we'll be joined by Pat Durkin in Minnesota for one minute fishing. But first, Seth and Brody, give me an Alaska recap. Very jealous. It was good.

It always is. I would say in the seven years I've been going there with my family, this was the worst year weather-wise and rough seas-wise. So it was two or at least two, maybe three days. We couldn't even get out to like the good halibut spots. So, you know, that's part of it. You know, you're going to have weather. But we still scratched out plenty of fish and everybody had fun. Not the worst fishing in your seven years of going there, though.

No, when we could get out, it was good. Yeah, some things were not so good this year, like salmon. Yeah, yeah. It was tough. Normally we'd put up a lot of silvers, but the silver run either hadn't started or it was just a really weak run this year. Tell me about this picture we're looking at. That is a silver-gray rockfish. A big one.

Normally when we get them, they're like, yay big. Maybe 16 inches is a decent one. And we dropped down on a rocky spire for Lingcod, and that thing came up. And we thought, like, when it was coming up from 100 feet down, we thought it was a big ling cod, and it turns out it was a giant silver gray. I didn't weigh it. The world record is 16 pounds, and that thing is, I don't know, it felt like picking up a Jake

turkey like so I don't know 13 14 14 oh yeah it was Is there a scale in the boat It was like this No It was giant

Yeah it was a big fit It was the biggest one I've ever seen It would have been legal to keep It we kept it Oh you did Oh yeah It's in the freezer Okay so like

Are the gut still in it? No no No it's flayed man Now I'm so curious About the weight I know so am I But Damn it

Nothing but Flaze now So yeah that was like probably my fish and highlight other than putting the kids on a bunch of fish and uh when you were reeling that in what did you think it was dude it was like i thought it was a big link cod because normally it was rock fish they'll give a few head shakes and then they come up pretty easily they'd give up and that thing was just digging and it pulled line a couple times pulled drag a couple times and you can see color coming up from a long ways down i was like yep it's a big ling cod and Andy, Steve's buddy was in the boat

from me. He's like, I knew it. Hit as soon as it. Like, I jig that hit bottom, jigged it once and it was on. But then I was like, holy shit, that's a giant silver gray. So that was cool. Is the world record also Alaska's state record? Did it come from somewhere else?

I didn't look at that. It came from Alaska, though. So I'm assuming it's also the state record. I don't know. Yeah. Some other highlights are my wife, I was not in the boat, thankfully, when this happened. But my wife

got a 70-80-pounder a halibut up to the surface. And as she's fighting it, she was in Andy's boat, and Steve kind of rushed into the scene and took

over and jumped in the boat. That's when everything went to shit. All I heard is it went to total chaos when Steve showed up. Anyway, got wrapped around the anchor line, and they were handlining it in. It was all looking like it might happen, but Steve said that the halbit dodged the harpoon and the fish got off. I was in a different boat about, I don't know, 100 yards away when this was all going down watching it.

I could tell that his wife, Kerry, was on to something big. Okay. So I got my binoculars out and was watching it all happened through my binoculars. Iweege and fish finders. Yep, that's right. And Steve, I see Steve coming. He comes over. He's like, what's going on?

You catch anything? I said, they're into something big over there. So he, of course, goes over there as quick as he can. And I'm watching with my binoculars and I see him get the harpoon. And I can tell, like, Gary has something big on. And Steve gets on the boat. gets on their boat, grabs the harpoon, and I see him, like, throw the harpoon, and then, like, he picks the harpoon up, throws it in the bottom of the boat, and then crosses his arm. I'm like, that ain't good.

No, no. But enough picking on Steve. It was a good trip. And that kind of thing happens with Big Halibut. But I'll tell you what, like, if you want to catch a big halibut, you end up in the fish shack and you want to get a big one, this is the guy to go. with because he was putting all kinds of people on big hell yeah we got some good ones this year would have that been the big one of the trip that fish i don't know they were all like when they get away they are yeah that was that was the biggest um steve's boy jimmy was in my boat and he got

an 80 pounder and then his daughter was in the boat the day before she got a 60 i had what i believed to be between a 70 to 80 to the boat and there was a little mishap with the harpoon again Oh, who was running the harpoon? Kelsey. Oh, man. And then my dad had one on that we never saw it, but it drug us around for quite a while, and then it got off. Give me a cabin update. Cabin's looking good.

We got, on this trip, we wired the place and got a roof on the back porch. Okay. No, it looks great, man. Better than ever? Better than ever. Like even better than prior to the Christmas tree. coming through your ceiling. Oh, 100%.

100%. It looks brand new from the outside. It's beautiful. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, there's still a lot to do, but... How many hours do you think you spent on this trip?

You were there for, what, a week? Two weeks. Two weeks. How many hours in that two weeks were you hammering away on the cabin? Well, I don't know. A few good days, like all day for the most part, working on it. Two eight-hour shifts. More?

probably more once it's all I mean some days we'd fish the morning and I'd just work on the it's like I wasn't just working on one project the whole time

there's like kind of a bunch of things going on and then just like little stuff cleaning up you know stuff around the cabin or fixing little things and you know

it's just I could honestly go up there and work on it for two weeks straight and not fish at all oh yeah yeah but

Phil do we got do we got Steve's how to dispatch an octopus video? Oh. Watch till the end. We just watched Steve Biden to the head. Yeah, the brain.

Okay. Yeah, chomping down on the brain. I think you learned that from Kimmy Werner. I think. Is that how every octopus dies up there that you guys keep? I don't know about up there, but in Hawaii, for sure. Yeah, usually they turn, they like immediately go a different color. I was waiting for that thing to just go totally limp.

Yeah. Maybe he didn't get it great. Those things come up in the shrimp pots, though. Yeah. Don't get in there and eat all your shrimp out of your pot. Okay. Done with Alaska then for the year. You won't return until the spring.

Not till spring, yeah. Unfortunately, unless I can squeeze in a trip, but I don't think that's going to happen. What's going to be the big project next year? Outdoor shower. And got a couple pilinges we've got to replace yet. Okay. Is that outdoor shower going to be a game changer? Yeah.

Just gets all the moisture and humidity from a shower out of the cabin. The main thing up there is moisture management. Yeah. I've come to find over the years because if you leave the place when you button it up for the with moisture in there you come back with quite a bit of mold. I was surprised to hear you say that snow just doesn't

stick. I mean, from what I hear, I've never been up there during the winter, but from what I hear they'll get like big dumps of snow and then it just like melts within the next couple days. It's like that maritime climate, you know, like the Pacific Northwest. It's just... Yeah.

Snowes one day, rains the next type of thing. And you said 13 feet of precipitation? annually. We got 13 feet while we were there. It rained a lot. Well, still brought home some good fish and a potential world record. No, I don't think it was a world record. Yeah, well, you didn't weigh it, so we'll never know.

All right, let's get on with the show. Joining us on the line first is Jared Westbrook, the director of science from the American Chestnut Foundation. He's here to talk about restoring this once-plennyful tree. Jared, welcome to the show. Hello, everyone. First thing, Jared, take us back in time and tell us about when things were good for the American chestnut. Well, chestnuts and their relatives have been around in North America for 40 million years. And where you all are in Montana, they used to live out there in Idaho and Colorado.

Chestnut fossils have been found in Tennessee, some of the oldest ones. and they used to, like, as the ice age came down, like 13,000 years ago, they went all the way down into Florida, and then slowly over the last 2,000 years, they moved up into, like, New England. And people use them, Native Americans, like, would burn the forest, create openings, the chestnuts would be plentiful a source of food. And then when European sellers came over here,

We, you know, collected nuts by the trainload and shipped them up to the cities, New York City, Baltimore. People sold them on the street corners. They made more money off of chestnuts and they did off of farming. So it was a source of livelihood for people. And before and after, I mean, during that time, people brought over Chinese chestnuts. And we can talk about the blight next. Yeah, today the USDA refers to the American chestnut as a quote, near mythical species.

So what happened? So the chestnuts used to be in, you know, North Carolina where I live in the Smoky Mountains. Like you could, there's like reports of people being able to walk their cows into the inside of the trees and walk around. Like they're that big. So they're huge, you know, old growth stands of these in the smoking mountains. and then up into the throughout the Appalachians. And in 1904, actually earlier, people were brought over like Japanese chestnuts

and Chinese chestnuts because they were bred for having large nuts to eat. And they brought them over. And they did not know that a fungus was on those trees. And this fungus attacks the bark of the tree. And then they die from the top of the tree dies, but they still live. from their roots. But right now, there was like four billion trees on the East Coast.

Now there's probably a few hundred million that are left, but they're sitting in the understory of the forest. Like if you're walking around the woods in the Appalachian Mountains, you might see them. They have the blight, but they don't really flower and reproduce. So they're no longer evolving on their own,

living as a tree as they once were. Now, I've seen your organization refer to them as functionally extinct. Why that label? Because they're not actually extinct, like in the sense that there's no chestnuts out in landscape, they're actually kind of plentiful, especially around here in Carolina, Western Carolina. But they don't reproduce.

They'll grow up like 10 feet, and then they get the blight and they die, and they're in this cycle of dying back and then resprouting from their roots over and over again. So, yeah, they're not really reproducing on their own. But we can occasionally get, like, on the side of the road, sometimes we'll find one. Some people will tell us, like, oh, there's a chestnut flowering, and we can get seeds from those and breed those trees, but then they die from blight. So it's not like a permanent solution that they're reproducing on their own. Some estimates say there are fewer than 100 mature American chestnuts left in the wild. What can you tell us about where those mature trees live and how they've been able to survive the blight?

Yeah, we call them large surviving American chestnuts, and they're extremely rare, like I was saying, like there's hundreds of millions left, but like there's, I know of a few dozen. We have names for them, like Orte. There's one tree in Pennsylvania. It's in someone's yard. It's called Orte. We have another tree in Virginia, Amherst Tree, Erie, Pennsylvania. So we know these trees, and they have the blight, and they have the blight. been living with the blight probably since before, I mean, when the original pandemic of the

blight came through, and they seem to have a slightly elevated resistance. We've actually crossed those trees, like bred them together, and then we gave their kids the blight, and the kids have somewhat elevated resistance, but they're not super resistant themselves. So they're kind of lucky trees, you could say, and they have low levels of blight resistance. You guys do a lot of citizen science and you ask people to fill out a tree locator form if they think they've spotted an American chestnut. What are some of the strangest places you've had confirmed trees? Well, some of the trees, you know, it's interesting is like people brought Lewis and Clark, like the Lewis and Clark expedition brought chestnuts.

People brought them over the Washington state. So like on the coast range in Washington, there are chestnuts growing that don't. have blight. So in California, Washington, these are areas where strangely the blight hasn't come and these trees are mature. There's another tree in Belgium that was brought over before the blight. That's maybe the largest tree in the world. It's like 120 feet tall. And so you can actually see, you know, these trees that you can actually see how the tree grows now are really rare. But the West Coast has some, and Europe and an Arboretum has one. So if you ever get out to Theruvim, Arboretum, indulge him, that's one place you can see in American chestnut.

Jared, has there been any movement with crossing American chestnuts with other chestnuts that are, like, resistant to the blight? When I was in college, we did a little bit of that, planting trees that were like American chestnut mixed with, something else like a Chinese chestnut I don't remember exactly what it was but just trying to find something that could live on the landscape and be resistant to the blight Yeah so that's

that been the focus of our organization is the Chinese chestnuts Japanese chestnuts they co-evolved with the blight fungus for tens of millions of years they have resistance and there's been a long effort starting in the 1920s

to breed crossbreed the American species with the Chinese and the Japanese. And what we've done is you get the 50-50 hybrids between the two species, and they tend to, they have resistance from the Asian chestnut species, and they are fertile. So all the chestnut species hybridize readily. But in order to make them grow and be competitive in the forest, the American chestnuts grow very tall,

The Chinese chestnuts tend to be shorter orchard trees. What we're trying to do is basically cross those hybrids back to American chestnut, dilute out some of the Chinese traits, bring in more of the American traits, but also select for resistance so that we can improve that over time. So what we're trying to do is kind of dilute out the, make the trees keep the resistance, but then also breed for these tall timber type traits in the American. American chestnut. And we have this citizen science organization that where people have found trees, like from Maine all the way down to Mississippi, they tell us we've found a tree. It's

flowering. And we've taken pollen from our hybrid, our selected hybrids, and put it on those trees to get these diverse populations. And we have probably four to 500 orchards across the East Coast maintained by volunteers that have been, we plant the kids of these hybrids in these orchards and we give them blight and we see which trees survive from that and we've continued now i mean we've done this huge effort of like looking at all these trees resistance over like the last 20 years and we are now crossing these best trees that have really good resistance with each other and selecting even better kids of those trees so we're incrementally improving the resistance so the trees can live on their own awesome

Hey, Jared, beyond, like, physical crossbreeding where you're, like, putting pollen on another tree, has there been any, any, like, lab genetic engineering to, to work on resistance to the blight? Yeah, there is a, there is a, what's called a transgenic tree where it has a gene from wheat that's put it been put into the American chestnut tree. the gene is involved in it like detoxifies an acid that's produced by the fungus and that has it's going under a it's been under review by the USDA to be able to release those trees and we've done some assessments on their resistance and they look they looked great initially in the when we look at the seedling stage and we gave them the blight as little babies but when you put them out in the like over time for a longer period of time, they get pretty severe infections and there's a lot of susceptible trees. So what we've learned is that the resistance is complicated. There's a lot of genes involved in that. And so doing that crossbreeding brings in a lot of those genes involved in the resistance to give it more durable resistance than any single gene could give the trees.

Jared, why does it matter? What does the American chestnut provide that our eastern forests are missing without them there? I mean, I would love to see chestnuts on the mountains in North Carolina. They grow on top of the mountains and some of the most beautiful places in the Appalachians. And they used to provide nuts every year and the wildlife carrying capacity of the forests diminished as a result of loss of the chestnut. There are insects and things that also were dependent on the tree. And we would love to see, like, there's like strip mine sites throughout Appalachia

where the chestnuts grow really well on that really poor acidic soil. So I'd love to see, you know, reclamation of some of the mine lands with chestnuts going forward. For people who are listening right now, what can they do to help the American chestnut? Well, we are a citizen science organization and a nonprofit organization, and we are funded by members. And so people donate to us, and that helps us. What we're doing is a lot of genomic testing on our trees to make the breeding go faster, growing out the best kids, and then giving them blight and seeing which, you know, really confirming to have resistance.

So if you live in the East Coast, you can join your local chapter. We have 16 state chapters across the East Coast, but also just donate to TACF to help us with some of our work to do the crossbreeding and genomics to better understand resistance and make the breeding work a lot better. Thank you for joining us, Jared, and thanks for helping save the American chestnut. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Jared.

By now. I saw you two boys nodding along when he said that there is a mature one living in Erie, Pennsylvania. Yeah, that's Brody's neckload. Yeah, that's my old stomping grounds. I didn't know that. It's just, just, that's where I came from. I know of several that are living on the family farm, but they, they're just stump sprouting from old stumps.

Just babies. Yeah, they only get, like he said, 10, 10, 12 feet tall and then die. Did you know that before today that, like, that's what that was and that's why it was doing it? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's, I don't know how many there are exactly on the farm, but I mean, you can. it's nothing to walk for five minutes in the woods and find a couple of them.

Yeah, I think he said there's hundreds of millions that just never reach maturity. Yeah, they're all over the place. But yeah, man, it's such a shame. Those trees were like, I mean, I've heard them called like the Redwoods of the East. Yeah. Just huge trees that I couldn't imagine what it would have been like back in the day to see that. A lot of critters. A lot of critters would have been eating them.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we have some Chinese chestnuts on the farm. And man, when those things start falling, the deer hammering them. They love them. Hey, folks, exciting news for those who live or hunt in Canada. You might not be able to join our raffles and sweepstakes and all that because of raffle and sweepstakes law. But hear this. On-X hunt is now in Canada.

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Let's talk about gear. This week for Gear Talk, we are talking. about our favorite first light gear. Their season opener sales is happening right now over on Firstlight.com. This is one of their biggest sales and just in time for hunting season. You can get up to 40% off select base layers, outerwear, pants, and more. The deals are happening now through Sunday, August 24th. Again, that's Firstlight.com for some of their biggest discounts of the year. All right, Seth, you go first. What are you talking to us about today? I'm going to talk to you about my favorite hunting pan of all time,

the Corrigate Foundry Pan. Man, I still have the original pair that I got when these things first came out years ago, probably five, six years ago. I don't even remember. But I still use them every fall. They can't wear them out. I like them because they have knee pads,

which I like to have in a hunting pants, especially when you're doing stuff like antelope hunting and whatnot, crawling around. It's nice to have knee pads and they got the waterproof knees and seat which is helpful. And they are 30% off this week. Again, the sale goes through Sunday. What hunts are you going to be wearing them on this year? Pretty much everything I'm hunting. Elk, deer, antelope. I'll probably wear them when I go back east, white tail hunting, depending on the weather. Yeah, I kind of wear them for everything. I honestly just wear them when I'm in the office.

I wear them in the office. I wore them for two weeks in Alaska recently. Good endorsement. Yeah, I wear them all the time. I like just general fixing stuff around the house because you've got knee pads. You're always on your knees for something. That is the Corrigate Foundry Pant, 30% off for the next few days. All right, I'm going to go next. I am going to talk to you about the men's kiln Long John that is 20% off during this sale. This is my favorite base. layer. It's my most used base layer. My guess would be that it's the most used base layer among the crew. And if I could only have like a singular base layer for the rest of my life, it would be this, the kiln long john. They're easy to hike in. They also work great. If you're still hunting, I wore them when I killed a bowl last year and it was 50 degrees on opening day. I also wore them when I killed a muley on the last week of the season when it was negative 18 degrees wind chill. They're comfortable enough to sleep in if I'm tenting in cold weather, wear them when I'm

snow blowing my driveway. And the badass skiers in the office, like Corey Calkins, he'll wear them for skiing. He especially likes the ones that have the zippers in them. 3080 reviews on First Lights website, 4.81 stars. So they are just universally loved. Again, that's the Kiln Long John sizes available small to 2XL. They're also available in the women's version, the Kiln Long Jane, and that is 20% off right now as well. It's a great piece.

Like I said, I genuinely wear it all fall. Yeah, I just love wool next to skin. I run them long. I run them from like October to April. Yeah. Half a year. Yeah, that's legit. All right, Brody, what are you talking about today?

The dirtbag duffel. Love it. I've been running these things for, I don't know, like, these things have been out for what, four or five years now at least. Yep. I have the original. I have a couple of the big ones, couple of the men. medium ones like and I have had no no trouble with any of them they're they're bomb proof they're durable um they're great when you got to take stuff into like a wet environment like

southeast Alaska or like the river trip that we're going to do later this year um they're just they're just a really good duff one they got you know extra features like pockets and things like that you can carry it like a backpack through the airport if you want um for a very long time i was a patagonia black hole supporter um and the dirt bag duffel kind of took over that so the large took over that spot for me um you can fit a week's worth of stuff in there easily in the big one um so yeah it's it's the thing that i travel with the most yeah so much so that i to get a second one because my wife wanted to have one as well. That's

the medium I use for a lot of traveling. They also, what's the material on them? It's TPU ripstop. But, you know, it's got that what it's got like a coating on it, you know, a waterproof code. That's what I was going to get it. It has the lid that I think they call the launch pad.

You open it up if you're hunting and you're like changing boots. You stand on that thing. It doesn't matter if there's snow or water underneath it. Your feet are not going to get wet. I love the dirtbag duffel, and that is 20% off this week as well. Yeah, I just had that thing in southeast Alaska. Yeah. When we were up there and when we were leaving, it was pouring rain.

Yeah, and you got to set your stuff out, like an hour before the float plane gets there. Yeah, I had that thing sitting in the rain for a while and it was fine. Yeah, they have small, medium and large. I'll travel with all my hunting clothes in there in the fall. And then again, if we're just like staying in a hotel somewhere, it's the duffel that my wife can I both use. Love it. Again, that is the season opener sale where 120 first light items are discounted this week.

The deals end on Sunday, August 24th. Head over to firstlight.com to gear up before it's too late. All right, we're halfway through the show. Phil, let's take a break for some listener feedback. What's the chat have to say? Yeah, let's do it. I get those questions in. Cameron says, question for the crew.

What are some tips to keep meat from spoiling on warmer days and longer packouts? Cameron says that he's doing his first elk hunt DIY style in Kentucky. I'll chime in, get the skin off, but you would be surprised how long skinned out elk quarters can last in warm weather if you get the skin off and hang them in a shady spot with some breeze. It's not a problem if it's 70 degrees out during the day, you can hang that meat long. longer than you think you can if you get that skin off and hang it in a shady spot. Yeah, as long as it gets that crust. Yeah, man. You'd be surprised.

I was surprised. When we're in Africa, there's no refrigeration there. They hung that meat for days. Yep. If you get like one cool night to get the interior, you know, of the meat cooled, you're going to be fine for like a few days. This is not something I worry about. airflow very important and as we've talked about on previous episode of trivia if the conditions are too extreme you could get bone rot especially around those joints are going to hold a lot of heat being there in Kentucky I'm guessing that thing's not going to be away from a cooler for too long so just get it on ice as soon as you can keep it dry like if that stuff's hanging and it gets wet it's going to go bad a lot faster let's see freddie Rick on the Mon says I'm taking my wife out antelope hunting tomorrow what's

a fun in the field meal we should make if successful I love, I don't know if it was like season four of meat eater Steve's on a solo analopunt and he cooks up some buck nuts in butter it's real easy. All you need is a source

of heat, a skillet and some butter and that's a pretty authentic way to enjoy a successful anelopon. You got to go, if you do those, don't go high heat or they'll explode. You got to take your time with I like tenderloin fresh in the field

Especially with an antelope If you get that crossed on those things Like you end up just taking too much Like just eat those things fresh You don't want those to go in the freezer Yeah no No No just eat them fresh over fire or something

And they're fantastic The heart would be good to Cut that up right away and eat that Drifting flies has been just Absolutely stoked in the chat This whole show Just mostly all caps Trump style But he says

Brody He's going to target some big browns very soon. Oh, man. There's an old, I don't know if they still make it. I bet you they do. It's called the tequila. I wish we could pull up a picture of it.

It's got like a shiny, like, copper-colored cheniel body, and then like a bright, like, yellow maribou tail and some big, bright rubber legs on it. like in the fall it drives those big brown trout insane it's a good one do you tie your own streamers back in the day oh yeah man i tied a lot of flies i still have all this stuff i didn't you know i just don't do waiting for your sons to get into it yeah yeah yeah you think i have so many flies i don't now i don't need to tie any um i don't know but yeah that's a real good one um there's a bunch of what like I'm not like I kind of stopped fly fishing as much there there's been like a new wave

of fly tying that's gone on like especially in the streamer world explain that to me just bigger like it's trended towards bigger in the last several years like Kelly Gallup at the slide in he's got these real big flies that tend to have weird names like sex dungeon and things like that and then blaine chocolates um god what game changer like a lot of people are throwing those um and they tend to tend to if you want to like specifically target like a brown trout 30 inches and larger you need to be throwing a fly that's six inches long or bigger i would say because otherwise you're just going to be catching a lot of 16 inches um Mississippi says Spencer brodie and Seth what's your favorite feature that you look for in a skinning knife or features

Hmm. Probably just how it feels in my hand. I know like my favorite knife that I keep in my gun cabinet. You could put a blindfold on me and hand me all my knives. And I would pick that one, I think, every single time just because it feels right in my hand. So as far as what you're looking for, I don't know specifics when you're just looking at something. How's it feel in your hand? I'll tell you one thing. I don't care for a gut hook on my knives. It just like gets in the way. And it seemed like those were very fashionable. for a moment and they're becoming less fashionable now, but I'm just like pretty much immediately not interested if it has a big gut hook on it. I would say something without an overly large blade. I think, you know, when you're dealing with stuff laying on the ground and getting skin off,

like a big long blade is just going to be detrimental. And I like, like width-wise narrower ones. I know some people like that wider blade, but I like something a little narrower and a little more nimble. Yeah, I agree with that. Something narrower. But those heavy-duty, like, sturdy knives

with, like, broader blades, when you get into, like, pop and hip joints and stuff like that, that's where they come in handy. But, yeah, it's something that's sharp and something that feels good, something that holds an edge. Seth?

I like something with a little bit more of a rounded tip. Not so pointy on the tip. It also depends on what I'm skinning. Like if I'm not worried about putting holes in it, like a deer, usually. You know, it doesn't matter that much. But if I'm skinning something, like a coyote or something that I want to tan

and keep the hide nice, I like a little more rounded tip so I don't punch holes in it. Let's do one more for now, Phil. Sure. Ethan says, Seth, my buddy Sean, just won the Michigan Walleye tour for the second straight year. He'll be bringing some fillets down next weekend.

Best way to cook them. Thanks. Man, I just like fried walleye It's hard to beat that I one time took A smaller walleye filets And like rolled them up lengthwise

And then you wrap those in bacon Never seen this It's kind of like a walleye pinwheel type And just bake those Or put them on the grill You know Hit them with some butter and whatnot That was pretty good

Brody you've been eating a lot of walleye this summer Yeah I mean it's my Like my wife like some panco-crusted, like pan-fried, not like deep-fried, and that's very good. Another thing, they're, walleye's pretty delicate, but you can pull it off if you're careful is you get them on a, on a griddle, like an outdoor griddle, like a blackstone or whatever, and just do black and cajian black and filets. Those are real good.

Yeah, you go to the meat eater.com. You'll find a lot of good walleye recipes there. Jesse Griffiths, I think it was probably four or five years ago at this point, dead. beer-battered fish, which that recipe would work great for walleye as well. That's what I'd recommend. Chester and I did one of those, it was a meteor cooked or something episode, where we fried walleye. And it was fantastic, Panko style.

Even though Chester can't even enjoy it. Nope. Just got a look. He's just got a look and smell. All right, moving on. Our next segment is one minute fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk?

Go ahead. Make my cast. One minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing, and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is American hero Pat Durkin. He's on Lake Vermillion in Minnesota and fishing for a donation to Sturgeon for tomorrow. Pat, welcome to the show. Hey, Spencer.

Pat's got a fish. He's holding a small bird. Right now. Already done. Wow. We just reeled it in just now. Okay. Well, that's a good sign.

How'd you catch it? Leighton, tell them what you caught. Speak up. A bass? Smallmouth bass. A very nice small mouth. He's been putting on his feed bag for fall. That thing's got a nice gut on it.

Yeah, look at that thing. Pat, you have a few guests with you today. Tell us about your fishing buddies. First of all, here is Leighton. Late's my nine-year-old grandson from Rochester, Minnesota. Over my left shoulder here. It's my daughter Leah. This is my oldest daughter.

She was 14 years in the Navy, Spencer. Wow. Cool. Now, I didn't know that they let cheeseheads fish in Minnesota. So why Lake Vermillion, Pat? Well, it's kind of a long story, but Leah walked into a good opportunity to pick up a one-week rental up here, around Lake Vermilion. And I hear Lake Vermillion, they make sure you know it's spelled with one L, but it's a lake with 361 islands. It's a big area.

It's west of Ely, Minnesota. And what's the plan for that small mouth? Is he going to go in the live well or back in the lake? Leighton says live well. Okay. That means we'll be eating him for dinner probably. I like that attitude. How's the fishing been so far this week, Pat?

Well, our first day was Tuesday. We got four walleyes and, let's see, a couple small malls. They were getting mainly purged for fishing slip bobbers here on Armstrong Bay. and so this is a we caught maybe a half dozen nice perch this morning and now it's kind of getting a little slower until this guy hit okay so for one minute fishing are you targeting small mouth or you going for something else we've been targeting um basically perch perch and bluegills and once in a while when these one of these random bummless shows up and smacks that little cropy you know size jig and once in a while we got got them in the bowl

today. Okay, so for one minute fishing, he's looking for a perch of bluegill or a small mouth. And you said you're tossing jigs at them? Yeah, we got, um, we have what we're doing. We have this little chunks of a worm on there. That's us again. And like a number eight, number six that they're about. I'm going to put this in the live wall. Hang on one second. Okay. And then after Pat gets that fish in his live well, we're going to start one minute fishing. And for the first time ever, we're going to have three anglers trying to fish for that donation today. So, Pat, whenever you guys make your first cast, your one minute of fishing will start. I'm going to have, um, lay can go first? Let's have you all, can you all fish it once, Pat? Can we do all three of you in that one minute? Yeah, we can do them all at once.

Okay. There's going to be a little chaos in Lund. Yep. Let me get mine. I got rebate real quick, Spencer. Okay. Pat is reapplying a night crawler. Seth Lake Vermillion, ever been there? Never been, but it's definitely one I want to visit. I've heard lots of good things about Vermillion. Just that general part of Minnesota.

Yep. Pat, do they call you captain in that boat? They call me a lot worse. Okay, Pat, is everybody ready? Okay, Layton, you're ready. Okay, Layton, you go first. Great and late casts. All right, grandson has made his cast.

Pat has made his cast. Their one minute has begun. Pat, are we just running slip-bobbers? Sorry? Are we just running slip-bobbers? The wind is picking up. We're losing Pat's audio. So you got one?

Is he reeling one in? Oh, he did it laying in a perch. Pat Durkin, the only angler to be successful twice at one-minute fishing both times. Was that a yellow perch? This one's the most smaller, but he's definitely a needer. Okay, and both times, Pat has been successful. He's done it with a yellow perch once in Idaho, and now once in Minnesota. Well done, Pat.

Captain Pat Durkin. You bet. That's awesome. In the old Lund. In the Lund, in Lake Vermillion, he's just won a $500 donation to Sturgeon for tomorrow. Pat, you were really stoked to make a donation to Sturgeon for tomorrow. Tell us about them. Yeah, this goes back in my first history a little bit, Spencer, when I was a young reporter back in the 1980s, a group of local fishermen in the Lake Winnebago area, which is Oshkosh, Wisconsin, that region.

They wanted to get more involved in the hands-on citizen science aspect of sturgeon management, and they formed this group called sturgeon for tomorrow. And they've been running now close to about 40 years or so. And every spring, they help organize what's called Sturgeon Patrol. And they put guys on the Wolf River with the Sturgeon Spawn and make sure they don't get poached. There used to be a real bad poaching problem in that region back in the all way through the early 80s. I used to do newspaper stakeouts basically where I ride along the wardens and spend the night watching for poaching.

on the Wolf River. But these guys, that's one of the very many projects they get involved in. Well, you just saved a few more sturgeon with that $500 donation. Well done. The legend of Pat Durkin in one-minute fishing grows. Well, thanks, you guys. Thanks for joining us, Pat. Good luck with the rest of the week.

High-fives all around in the boat. I'm tickled. That was great. That was fun. He should just be on every week. Then we'd have people that catch fish. Pat, Pat is great because he's obviously a retired fella. I could text him on a Wednesday and be like, Pat, we need someone for one minute fishing tomorrow.

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our next segment is the price is right. Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana. a meat eater radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right. St. Morris, come on down. All right, he's here. Brodie Anderson, come on down. You're the next two contestants on Meteor Radio's, The Price is Right.

Now here's your host, Spencer Newhouse. Wow. Thank you, Phil. He brings it every single time. That's impressive. He just does that, you know? That's not pre-recorded or nothing. No, no.

That's live Phil in the studio. Now, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the meat eater universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer,

we'll get a shout out, and none of them are going to cheat. They have all vowed to be very honest. How many of these are we doing, just one? Three of them. We've got three of them. There are three products today. Have either of you boys played meaty to radio's prices right before? Nope. I did. I played once and won. Okay. We've got the veteran Seth here then, bringing all that experience. What's the prize? What are we playing for? We'll find out in a second. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid. Our first item today is a guided nil guy and whitetail hunt on the famous King Ranch in Texas.

Here's your chance to hunt one of the largest pieces of private land in the world. At 825,000 acres, the King Ranch is bigger than Rhode Island. This property is home to 18,000 Nilgai, which got their start on the King Ranch after a stocking from the San Diego zoological garden a century ago. The package includes a Nilgai bull and a management white-tailed buck that's guaranteed to score between 130 and 140 inches. You'll also get two nights lodging at the King Ranch, but meals are not included. That's right, Phil, but keep in mind, it's a four-hunter minimum, so you better have three buddies with deep pockets just like you. We've got a 400 price. We're just going to do for one hunter, one hunter price, and this gets you a Neil Guy Bull,

a management buck that they say will be an eight or nine pointer that is over five and a half years old and will score between 130 and 140 inches, and you'll have two nights at the King Ranch. Two nights, three days of hunting or something like that? I think it's two full days. They are very efficient on the King Ranch. I killed a white-tail buck about 80 yards from the King Ranch border one time. That thing might have been living on the King Ranch. You killed yourself a king.

Was it a high fence there? Was it a low fence? Nope, low fence. You don't even need a high fence when you own Rhode Island. Oh, I know. It's a lot of land. Can't fathom. But I like to say that that buck was living on the King Ranch, and I got to get that one for free.

King Ranch buck. Again, the package is a guided hunt for a bull-nill guy, a 135-inch white tail. and two nights of lodging at the famous King Ranch in Texas. And remember, you cannot go over. If both of you go over, you'll both be told to try again. Seth, are you ready? I'm ready. Brody, are you ready?

Okay. Making a small change to his answer for one person to go to the King Ranch and kill themselves a nil guy and a whitel. All right, go ahead and reveal your answers. we have Seth saying 10,500, Brody saying 8,900. The correct answer is lower than both of those, so you'll both need to try again. We know it is less than 8,900. They are revisiting their whiteboards and coming up with a new answer.

Brody, very quick. Seth, are you ready? Reveal your answers. We have Seth saying 6,300. $8,050. Brody says $6,900. The correct answer is $8,500

giving Brody that first point. He was only $400 off with his first guess. Now a nil-guy cow hunt is 4,400. A combo dove hunt and saltwater fishing trip is 2,400. I've got redfish

right off the bank. From the King Ranch? Right off the bank of the King. Well, like casting towards the bank of the king room. Oh, okay. So you boys are very familiar with that place. Phil, how'd the chat do? Well, we had several people get it right on the money.

I'm convinced they cheated. Unfortunately, I just don't trust anybody. But bullside archery guessed eight grand. So I'm going to give him the point. Well done, bullside archery. That just goes to show if you're going to cheat, you can't cheat right on the money. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. You're going to have to fool me. And we can still see. Pat Durkin fishing. He's still in our waiting room there. Filming that live while. Yeah, we're watching some fancy camera work now.

It looks like the boat is moving around. All right, we'll maybe check in the Pat later. Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid. Yeah, sorry. Stopping all the things. Next up, we have the 102 piece deluxe pro kit from

Banjo Minow. But hold on, I'm going to pause this video, because I can't do this lure justice. But do you know what can? this two-minute infomercial from 1994, please get your credit cards ready. Just is amazing. There's only one fishing lure proven to catch all these fish. Look at action. Every species of game fish in North America.

It's the banjo minnow, the world's first and only genetic response fishing lure. Hello, everybody. There is the man. The banjo mena is truly the most exciting thing I've seen in a mighty long time. Oh, sold. To attack and eat crippled dying minnows. Look at that. Banjo Minnow perfectly mimics the spastic action of a wounded minnow.

A movement so realistic and so irresistible to predator fish that it could actually trigger a genetic response. How did it never catch on? All that footage from a bass pro shop tank. King salmon love it. Anything. The middle mill has proved itself again and again and again that it will out fish every fishing lore in existence today.

we had made a fishing roar that actually made fish bite even if they weren't hungry a genetic response do they still sell these talk about in a second it's just unbelievable I was really impressed there won't be a fish left in a world wow the banjo middow's unique patent pending rubber weed guard

lets every fisherman fish anywhere by the tree you need that on top of docks right where the big ones are Oh, two of them came up for it. You guys are getting so excited. You don't know how to bother them. Banjo weedless bait hooks, counterbalance jigs, and much, much more.

All yours for only 2995. For faster service, have your credit card ready and call the number on your screen right now. We have to account for inflation these days now. Now, you're probably wondering who on earth would fall for such ridiculous marketing? Well, me. I would. When I was in middle school, I now. present to you two banjo minnows from my personal tackle box. And I can attest that these have

tricked dozens of large mouth in the 40-acre lake near my hometown. Now, the price that you are guessing today is for a banjo minnow set in 2025. They are still around and they offer a 102-piece starter kit sold on banjo minnow.com. It comes with 24 banjo minnows, 30-0 rings, 24 weed guards, nose anchors and 12 hooks. Now look at that one. This is a new swim bait design. I have the OG. These are way more desirable. Look, it's got the ribs in them, very thin.

The new ones in 2025 look much different. They don't look anything like a banjo minnow. Now look at this thing. It's dang near jumping out of my hand, banjo minnow. What's what the whole... I'm going to buy some of these. Well, that's where the nose jig goes. I think that's what they call. What do they call that thing? A nose anchor. You put a nose

anchor through there. And then that's got a little piece where you can slide your hook through, and so your hook isn't even touching any of the soft plastic. So same thing, today's price. Well, we know that in 1994, it was 2995 for a 110 piece kit, but you guys are guessing the price of a 102 piece kit that Banjo Minow is still selling. Wow.

Phil, can we get it, can we get just me on the camera here, show these things? Look at that action. My goodness. Fish are genetically wired to eat these things. They just can't resist. The one fella from the infomercial said they should be illegal, but there's going to be no fish left in North America.

Here's what I'll do. Whoever wins today's game, I'll give you one of my banjo minnows, and then I expect you to catch something on that. Yeah. You could probably catch the first fish ever that bit a banjo minnow in Alaska. You should take one of these to Alaska. Oh, that would get to eat.

What would you catch with this? A quillback. Please, I would be so pleased if you took one of these to Alaska and caught something else. If there was silver at the mouth of a creek, they might eat one of those things. Kelp Greenling would eat. A lot of stuff

would eat. If you drop that thing down on a shallow hump in like 40 feet of water, you'll have something instantly. The problem is it's also going to get bit off. You might get one fish to bite on this and then the lure is just shot. All right, do you have

your price for the 2025? 110 piece kit 102 piece kit Go ahead and reveal your answers We have Brody saying 3995 Seth saying 5995 The correct answer

Is 5999 Said that was 4 cents Oh That's probably the closest We've ever had someone get To the correct answer I'm gonna buy some For the prices right

But I don't think you want the new ones Those new ones just like any They look like any swim bait at Bass Pro. You want the little articulating cuts in there. That's right, I think so. All right, we're on to our final item for today. Just really quick, I want to throw out there that Keith said three easy payments of 1995. And I think for accuracy and creativity, I think he deserves some flowers.

Yeah, please get your credit cards ready. They delivered that line twice in the infomercial. Make sure when you call, if you're going to get the Banjo Meno, you have your credit card in your hand. They don't have any time to waste. Art, Phil, third and final item, we are tied one to one. Our final item up for bid today is a whole salmon from Seattle's world-famous Pike Place Fish Market. Known for their flying fish, they'll actually fly one right to your front door. This 12-pound wild-caught chanook comes fresh out of the Pacific Ocean and is Pike Place's number one seller.

You can choose to have it sent whole with the head and fins attached or have their expert fishmongers turn it into fillets and steaks for you. That's right, Phil. guarantee that if we order before noon today, it will arrive on Friday. All right, Seth and Brody. You said 12 pounds, Phil? 12 pounds. What does it cost to get a whole king salmon shipped 700

miles to meat eater HQ? So you're guessing the price of the fish as well as what it costs to ship it here. A 12 pound king salmon from the Pike Place fish market. This will determine

who gets the banjo minnow between I don't I never buy fish from a store so I don't even have a clue Phil have you ever bought anything from Pike Place I have not no whenever I I've only gone there a couple of times

and I just try to get just walk through as fast as possible don't make eye contact just keep moving I like the busyness of it that's like why I would want to be there is to like feel the hustle and bustle of Pike Place now Phil um

does it say uh no I won't. What are you looking for? Wild or hatchery? It says wild caught. They are adamant. It is wild caught.

It comes out of the Pacific Ocean. Well, there's like wild kings, and then there's the ones they raise up for a little wild hatcheries and then cut them loose. They say wild caught. They don't say anything about where it was raised at, though. So again, it's a 12-pound salmon shipped 700 miles to meter HQ. We caught some just like that. In Alaska, the kids got them.

Well, we're going to find out what they're worth. Oh, I know. I have a pretty good idea. Are you ready? Because my kid figured it out. Sure. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Brody saying $420. All right.

Seth saying $145. The correct answer is $502. That's $432 for the fish and $70 for shipping. That comes out to a whopping $42 per pound. Geez. That's way more than I thought. Them salmon, they ain't cheap. Well, the king.

Because they got the highest. They're, like, highest fat content. Like, it wouldn't be that much for a silver. Well done, Brody. Only $80 off the correct answer. Again, $502. How'd the chat do, Phil? Chat, way.

I mean, most of them were in, like, the $50 range on average. We had Mike at the, near the end, coming with $420 just like Brody did. Thanks for playing along. And remember, to help control the pet population, have your pets spayed and neutered. And you might just win yourself a banjo. know all right that brings us to the end of this week's show phil let's get some final feedback from the chat yeah last call for questions uh greg says brodie what hat are you wearing uh magpool perfect david asks any wall tent recommendations for a december hunt in

pennsylvania montana walton montana canvass yeah montana canvas yeah cool uh back to we were we were doing gear talk spicy nacho sent in this. Now, what are y'all thoughts on the non-cambo pants? He's always been a full camo guy and was wondering if you've ever had any issues being half a blob. If you're sitting in a tree stand and trying to kill a white-tail buck at 11 yards, I'd probably be wearing camel pants. If you are trying to kill a very smart turkey at 15 yards, probably wear camo pants. Besides that, it's not going to be the thing that calls you to not kill a critter. Cammo waiters are camo pants. I'm going to disagree slightly with Spencer on at least the turkey thing I've killed plenty of turkeys wearing solid tan or solid green pants if you're still

I don't think it's as big of a deal as long as you got camo uppers and you're just snug down to the ground tight yeah I I've killed a lot of Mariams in solid pants if I was hunting Easterns back in Pennsylvania or somewhere were the real pressure, that would go full camo for sure.

Randall says, shout out Phil, shout out radio live crew. Hey man, thanks so much. Thank you, Randall. Thank you, Randall, big fan. Randall likes this show so much, we have to kick him out of the studio. Before we turn on the microphones, he was in here right up until the countdown clock started. The studio is basically Randall's office. Yeah, lately.

Dalton got the King Ranch Hunt right on the money and has commented several times about how he's mad at me, because I accused him of cheating. Do we trust him? Not at all, no. Oh, okay. He needs to come here, buy a ticket to Bozeman, and present your case in person, and maybe I will hear it.

He might do that, Phil. I don't say that. Oh, yeah. No, just shoot me on Instagram, DM. Let's see. This is another one of those general questions that usually don't play very well because it's sort of like,

I'm going to Colorado to hunt. Any tips? But, you know, he's got some other stuff that's deep in here. Max says I'm at an hour seven of his 18-hour drive to Utah for a Muley archery hunt. Any tips or suggestions for success? But he follows that up with are there any previous meat eater podcasts that focus on muley hunting to add to my binge list?

I wish I could pull up some podcast episodes from the recesses of my brain, but I'm sure there are some if you search in whatever platform that you use for podcasting. Yeah, go check out what was formerly cutting the distance. That's right. Remy Warren used to host that show, and I'm sure he had all sorts of good mule deer tips and tricks. Then Jason Phelps and Dirk, I'm sure they have some good muley tips as well. And that is now the In Pursuit Channel with Rich Fronning. What do you got, Brody?

Oh, I was just going to say you probably, within the general, other than cutting the distance, like, probably not a lot of archery muleeer stuff that I can remember. Can you think of anything sad? If you want to watch Steve and Joe Rogan archery hunt mule deer, there's a good episode on that. But I can't think of anything. That's one thing I've never really done

hunt mule deer with the bow. I've done a couple of times in Montana. It'd be fun to hunt above a tree line up real high this time. Yeah, that would be a wicked fun hunt. Let's do a couple more, Phil. Devin says, hey, what cartridge are you guys using this upcoming season?

It's a pretty big question. Depends on what you're going after. Seven millimeter PRC. Same. That is probably what I will do 80% of my hunting with this year. And I have a gun tag in Illinois where

for the first time I will be using a straight wall cartridge. Oh nice. And I think it'll be a 350 legend. Still deciding. Sweet. Brody. It depends on the hunt. I'll be using a 6-5 PRC, which is a great one. Then maybe shooting

a 6-5 creed more a little bit. that my kids will be using, but I might use that gun a little bit too. One more, Phil. Nate says, when Steve shows up in the office does work grind to a halt, or is that the only time anything gets done? I could see him producing either outcome. I'd say it depends

on whether or not he breaks the harpoon out. Yeah. Seth is the only one on the same floor as him. I guess Phil as well. Do you notice when Steve's around? I personally have no idea when he's here and when he's not here. When Steve's, I'll give him credit. When Steve he's here, he's like, here for a reason and he's working on something. That's true. I know. I like to try to sneak into his office and

like bug him about stuff, like just talking about anything other than work. And he's usually like, what do you need? Like, I just want to talk fishing or something. All right, a few plugs before we get out of here. The Meteor crew is hitting the road again this fall, visiting some of our favorite fan bases that will be playing games, giving away prizes and showing off how the Meteeter crew tailgates. That is the Meteor Tailgate Tour. it's returning. Come join our tailgate, eat some food, hang out with the crew, and we'll see you at, I think we have six stops, August 30th, Ohio State, September 6th, Missouri, September 13th, Texas, September 20th, Wisconsin, September 27th, Penn State, and October 4th, Notre Dame. There will be more details to come to. I will be at the Wisconsin game against Maryland, September 20th. You boys, I assume Penn State. Yes, sir. We'll be there.

More details to come on. Really quick, just because Mogo reminded me with his comment. He said, huge thanks for today's show. We crushed it like a pinata at a birthday party. This show premiered one year ago on August 22nd. Radio Live did. So if you're still watching, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching.

This show is one of the highlights of my week. Thanks to Spencer for helping the show kind of find its voice and rhythm. And every single crew member who's been a part of it, it's been a lot of fun. We're just hitting our stride. It's only going to get better. or Mogore and everyone else. And thanks to Mogher, Mogore, because he's probably... I don't think he's missed a show.

Yeah, he's like our number one fan. That's right. All right, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. See you back here next week. Same time and place. Bye now. Oh, come on.

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