The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 780: A Year of Hunting and Fishing

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

Steven Rinella talks with Spencer Neuharth, Brody Henderson, and Seth Morris.  Topics discussed: Our brand new Season 13 of the MeatEater TV show is out now! Listen to Steve and the crew share stories from a year of filming Steve hunt and fish around the world. Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and that's not all, because we're dropping a brand new season of Meat Eater, the TV show, and that's brought to you by Ram Trucks. Nothing stops Ram, okay? And in commemoration, is that a good way to say that, commemoration? Since we're dropping a new season of Meat Eater, we were talking there a day about um like i can't even tell you how many we've made i used to know i remember like you weren't even probably born yet 144 episodes that's that probably weren't even

born yet was born and we hit a hundred episodes how old were you what was the first season like 11 2011 maybe i don't know i remember we were somewhere and someone said dude that was we just finished i think we were in alaska or something And someone said, we just finished our 100th episode. And what's it at now? 144, season one was 2012. Golly. I started, my first season was season eight.

I know that when we started, I had one kid and he was real little. Now he's bigger than me and I got three. Wow. Put that in your trivia question. How many kids do you have, Steve? What we're going to do to kick things off? is I asked Spencer because I don't know how many we made

I asked Spencer to take his trivia mind and pull up a handful of trivia questions about sort of the scope and breadth of the show that we've been involved in we'll learn something about me here. Seth worked on many, many. How many episodes have you worked on? I don't know. Like I said, I started

the second episode of season 8 so I missed that doll sheep hunt and started at Washington Elk and then they've been You were there? I've been on every episode except like I think two I think two I missed

Season 8 debuted October 2019 Oh look at that That's when it debuted but we Yeah I started You were filming in 2018 18 yeah That's the thing I find all the time is uh i can't remember who was where for what like for a long time yani was always yani produced yani produced 50 of them or something and so us being like nuts on a dog

you know anything that happened i'd be like i'd assume yani had been there yeah but then something it happened yanni like i wasn't there because i just knew that everything that ever happened to me he was standing there yeah it's been a while since he's been your your sidekick oh i know so now anything that happened me i just assumed seth was there because of that pattern of travel. It's been going on so long he doesn't even remember I worked on the film crew.

No, I remember Brody worked on the crew. Yeah, Brody's crew. Yeah. Brody was a wilderness production assistant. Yep. Which is the thing we trademarked. He was in front of the camera. He's been in front of the camera.

That's how a lot of people get their start. Mm-hmm. So Yonnie got a start. Yanni, Brody. Dirt. Dirt. Dirt. Me and Chester. And now Chili's doing some of that, too.

All started out as Wilderness Production Assistance. Yanni very quickly went from being a wilderness production assistant who didn't realize he was being paid. I always like to tell that story. He thought he was there hanging out for fun. And then someone handed him his like W-9 or whatever, and he was confused because he thought he was hanging out.

And it was like a week later, he was like the producer of the show. What do you call that within an organization where it was like a quick trajectory in those days because no one worked here? Yeah, and then he went on to do a million of them. Hit me with a question. Question one. We've got five of these questions and a tiebreaker. We're doing trivia now.

We're doing trivia now. We're doing trivia. It's about the breadth and scope of the series. Because we're launching, right now we're launching six new episodes. We're going to touch on what those episodes are in a minute. But we're launching six new episodes of meat eater. We used to do, in the old days, the way we used to rack up a lot of numbers is when we first started doing the show, we would make 16 in a year. That's a lot.

Yeah, I would be gone more than, I would be away from my family more than some years. I'd be away from my family more than half of the nights. One time I got in a fight with my wife about how much I'm gone. And I'm like, that probably third of the time. She says half the time. I'm like,

that can't be true. And I went back in, you know like Google Calendar so I can go back in time? So I went back in time to January 1 of the year. And I started just counting nights away. And I remember getting in, hitting 180 I got into November and hit 180 and I thought to myself man we were going a lot in December so I quit counting never did count quit counting and said you know you're right but that's why

it's so much more civil to make just a half dozen in a year 16 in a year is a lot family man now yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well they're little babies it feels different like you kind of need to be there but when they get older you just feel a little it's just a lot more going on man you need do a lot more than just diaper changing you know what I'm saying you probably yeah for sure yeah I mean when there's super little babies it's like a lot of chores less you just like want to be around yeah with them right yeah like I would still be upset like I still cry and shit going out of town but like now you kind of you just got to be there to console yeah but didn't you get in trouble for like getting upset when you were leaving yep I got yelled at by my

wife for getting upset leaving she said you're going to give these kids like a mental problem acting like that and then uh and she came up with this rule that and it was a great rule she came up with a rule if it's not going to be a big deal when you go away it's not going to be a big deal when you get home meaning there's no like banners and shit to say welcome home it's like you get in and you got to merge onto the lane like what's going on put the duvet cover on bring this kid there clean this fix that there's no like no it's not like oh daddy's home what one day she bated me and she said uh she said she was i came home and i was kind of tired and a bad mood and she's like if you need to go spend a night in a hotel just to readjust and then come home then that's what

you ought to do and i'm like really i'll come home and check and do a hotel and be like hey baby just letting you know i'm in town just gonna kick it while Watch some movies. Like maybe get a beer in my buddies and stuff and I'll be home tomorrow. Cool? That'd be the wrong call. Yeah. I'll be ready to come home.

This is an actual, this is an actual suggestion. C-line. There's a test. To which I said, oh, sweetheart, I would never do that. No. But I held it together. Uh-huh. Hit me.

13 seasons. Hit me. Question one. Which of these critters has been haunted the most on meat eater? Elk, White Tail, Turkey, Mule Deer. I know that. Five questions all about the Meat Eater TV show. 140 episodes.

144. 144, which was hunted most? Which of these critters has been hunted the most on meat eater? Elk, white tail, turkey, mule deer. Steve, very confident. Let me tell you a quick story why these guys stink? Yeah, yeah. I don't need a thing.

When we started the show, there was a guy that we used and he was trying to sell some we used to get like advertisement space and he was trying to sell some advertisement space and he was adamant he said you can't do a hunting show

that's not 90% white tail it won't work you showed him showed him again which critters been hunted the most elk white tail turkey mule deer that's a little tip Steve gave a little tip

He did. He did. You boys already have your answers. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth, Turkey, Steve Turkey, Brody Turkey. I wrote Turks. The correct answer is mule deer. What?

Really? Mule deer. Mule deer have the most hunted animal on meat eater being featured on 18 episodes. Are you serious? That's followed by elk at 13. Turkey and white tail at 12. Black bears have been hunted on 14 episodes. Moose on 10, caribou on 8.

blacktail on seven and coos deer on five so mule deer 18 turkey and white tail 12 so that's like more than one mule like averaging more than one mule deer hunt a season that had that a lot of that had to have been early i i think you've got multiple like part one and part two you know you're right yep yeah that a little bit surprised me and i feel better because i find that people don't really want to watch people hunt turkey ah okay so i feel better than we haven't made so many turkey episodes. Fourth place. Turkey's fourth place.

People like hunting turkeys, but they don't want to watch you hunt turkeys. I don't know. I like watching people. Do they watch people hunt turkeys? Yeah. When that thing comes in, I'd like to watch people get charged by leopards.

I think we should just, well, that's what I'd watch. If someone was like, Seth, what should we do for a season immediateer? I was like, let's just do all turkey hunts. All turks all time.

Spring season. Me and Seth are going to film a turkey hunt this spring At a secret spot You can't even say the state Sure Starts with the O and a cave Okay That'll be fun

If I get one there It'll complete my slam Oh, that'll be fun So it's a Rio you're looking for It's the OKorral Okay All right, you guys are going to have to keep your own scores here We don't have a field engineer

We got to sort that out Seth We've got to pick some dates and whatnot Yeah Zero's across you know what doesn't get hunted oh wow hey me another marker Spencer please you know how that conversation goes doesn't get hunted maybe there's a reason

one of my favorite doesn't get hunting stories is we're filming but we go down to the we were hunting this ranch and sonora and uh and they're like oh yeah no one hunts this ranch no one hunts this ranch the first deer we kill has a bullet lodged in his knee ooh it's like someone's hunting trying to hunt question two when did yannis make his first cameo on meat eater. Oh, I know that. Season 1, season 2, season 3, or season 4? Oh, I can tell you the episode? Yeah, can I just tell you the episode? Looking for the season. When did Yannis make his first

cameo on me, Deeder? Season 1, season 2, season 3, or season 4? Stephen Seth, know it down to the episode. Maybe. I put a very important quote from that episode. Okay. But I honestly don't know the number. It was Steve is writing down the episode. Just for the hell of it. Okay. Boys ready?

So can I tell the story how everybody fell in love with Yanni? Yeah. So we were filming in Alaska. I had drawn a, I had drawn like most of Alaska with doll sheep, most of Alaska's over the counter. Like doll sheep's typically over the counter.

But Alaska has some limited draw units for dolls. sheep and I drew a limited draw unit and my brother Danny lives in Alaska so I don't need I'm outside of the guide requirement I don't need to have a guide right and uh and I drew a limited draw unit and we were trying to find we were like looking for a WPA someone to just carry gear and backpack hunt with us and Yanni's wife is a botanist and she was doing work up in Fairbanks and I didn't even really know him I did not that I didn't know I didn't know him at all But my wife knew him because they grew up together.

So I got connected with Yani and we're like, hey, we're going to go do X, Y, and Z do you want to come? He's thinking he's just going to hang. But we did that, and then we went to do another thing. And he made everybody with Creek Water. He made cheesecake. Oh. Pillsbury cheesecake? I don't know how he did it.

And that won everybody over? Did he get everyone sick? No. He like had some little backcountry cheesecake preparation. And I'm like, I love that guy. Wow. And so we just started hiring him all the time. Uh-huh.

And that was when he had his cameo. It's a good addition to his resume. You boys ready? Reveal your answers. We have Seth saying, Season 4, smell me now, lady. Steve says 2, Brooks Range Caribou, and Brody says 2.

What's that say? Caraboo. The correct answer is season 2. Steve and Brody got that right. Yonis shows up for three seconds on season 2 episode 11. he spots a grisly wandering around camp while Steve and Tim Ferriss are glassing caribou

Janice doesn't even get a speaking part in the show Steve simply refers to him as quote one of our cameramen Janice Steve what else do you remember about that hunt we had a lot of problems of bears not problems but in that area this is the western Brooks range it's very hard and very expensive

to get there and so like you're encountering a lot of animals that just have never seen a person. Like, it's very reasonable that when you see Caribou, they've never, they don't have any idea what you are. And the Grizzlies have very low, like, like you could be a four or five-year-old grizzly, whatever, and you've never seen a person, 100%.

So when they see something moving, they just, they're going. Because they're going to go and they're like, I don't know, it's probably something to eat. You know what I mean? so they're like like bears are just drawn to stuff so when they're coming through and they see any kind of activity heading over so we had a number little bear we were shooting shotguns try to get barrier away from our meat stash and just they just because in those areas they're just like

they don't have any fear it's an action-packed episode I think you guys killed two caribou and you run off two grizzlies in the same episode that's a cool area I haven't been back there in a long time. And that area got, that area later got closed to non-federal subsistence hunting. Is that the porcupine herd? Or is that the... No, no, no, porcupine herds in

eastern Arctic. Is it open again now or not? I'm not sure where it sits right now, to be honest with you. I should know that. I think you guys caught some grayling in that episode, too. They look very eager to eat your flies. And then hunted moose up in that region. Yeah. Yanni's first appearance, again, season two episode 11.

Oh, rip. Yeah, honey. Question three. Which episode from season six has the most views on YouTube? Is it Idaho mule deer with cow? Wyoming beaver. Butchering a whole deer or British Columbia grizzly bear. Which episode from season six has the most views on YouTube?

Idaho mule deer with cal. Wyoming beaver. Butchering a whole year. whole deer or British Columbia grizzly bear dirt that was dirt's well I'm giving the answer away okay I think I know the answer all right I'll wait till I know this will be like you know you have like a tidbit should I do if I get it right or wrong this will be the tidbit which episode from season six has the most views Idaho mule deer with Cal Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer British Columbia grizzly bear this bench needs a fresh coat of paint it's a lot of things you notice that

No, people pay for him to look like that. That's like... You know, there's this guy, and I think he might be here in this state. This is the most, the craziest thing I've ever, the most corrupt, like, there's a guy that goes around buying gloves and sells, because let's say you're some, whatever. He buys gloves and sells what he calls ranch-worn gloves. So that if you're some candy ass,

you can get gloves that look like you've worked a little bit. Good market for them here. Oh, yeah. That's like buying a cowboy has like a sweat band. It's kind of sad to know that people actually buy that stuff.

Yeah, this would be a good business. You'd like get some kids, you get some ranch kids. Be like, listen, dude, I want you to wear each these hats for one week. Just sweat it up. Sweat it up and then switch to the next

because I sell them and I want to have hats to look like ranch. kids wore them. Think a little side business for ranch kids. All right, reveal your answers. We have Seth saying Idaho mule deer with Cal, Steve with the same answer. Brody says, butchering a whole deer.

Nobody got it. That was in there? Butchering a whole deer. Nobody got it, though. The correct answer is British Columbia Grizzly Bear. Really? Oh. The British Columbia Grizzly hunt has 2.9 million views.

Butchering a whole deer has 2.3 million. Idaho mulees with Cal has 1.8 million. and Wyoming Beaver is 1.1 million that grizzly hunt is one of meat eater's most viewed videos despite there being no grizzly killed. Steve, what do you remember about that episode? I remember we went back. We tried it again.

That same year? No, the next year, next two years we went back. Just I remember, I can't remember. We saw like 13 or 14 grizzly bears. We were watching them eating ground squirrels. It was amazing. At one point, I think it was that trip. Yeah, that trip one point, also there's a, we were in a mountain,

we were in an over-the-counter mountain goat unit, and there's a mountain goat standing there, but we didn't have tag. Next year brought a mountain goat tag and couldn't find the mountain goat. We had a hell of a time. Why didn't one of those? Grizzlies running around all over the place.

Why didn't one of those 13 grizzlies die? Because we were trying to find a big smoker. Okay. You had opportunities. Lots opportunities. And in fact, the second time we went up, I even later sent the video to a lot of people. The second time we went up, when we got in that area, immediately,

here comes a boar. Like, what I view to be, not a big bore, but I view to be like a boar, like a male grizzly rolling right through two, three hundred yards away. But, no, we hit it twice hard. And then you couldn't hunt that unit anymore for grizzlies. Well, you can't hunt any of that. Yeah, because BC closed its grizzly hunt,

which everybody was having a shit fit about. I had a shit fit about it, but we hit it two years in a row. Cal was guiding for that guy. So Cal was like my guide, which is totally fun. Could you kill a sow on that hunt or not? They don't like it. Oh. You can, but it messed up the quota system.

Okay. Is that when you got charged? We got charged then. And Cal said smell now. We got charged right off the bat. And then we had another bear. We were shooting rocks in front of. of it and it was coming to look at what we were shooting

like you'd shoot it he was coming tortoise he'd shoot a rock and he'd walk over to see what the rock was how exposed were those bears to humans pretty exposed yeah yeah pretty exposed I think that the lesson there is if you want more views you just got to put grizzly in the title sure

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All right, question four. After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of meat, Is it Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan? After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of meat eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan? What was number one? Alaska is number one.

We're looking for number two. Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan. This is question four. Right now, Steve and Brody both have a point. have a point. Seth has zero. God, he's getting beat. No matter what he does, he gets beat.

A lot of these questions are just pre-my time. That's true. How was you know? He was still riding around and his pappy's undies back, man, man. After Alaska, which say it has the most, has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eat Eater, Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan. Seth, are you ready? It said, you see where I hit myself with the chainsaw? That's a close call right there.

Jesus, man. Do you believe that? That could have been bad. Yeah, real bad. After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Me, Deeter, Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan? Reveal your answers. We have set saying Montana, Steve, Montana, Brody, Montana. You guys got it.

It's Montana. There have been 32 episodes filmed in Alaska. Wow. 23 in Montana and 7 in Texas. that's followed by New Mexico, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii, and Idaho. That means 22% of meteor episodes have been filmed in Alaska. Alaska, Montana, Texas. Those are your top three.

Across North America, the whole continent you got there. That makes sense. It's your favorite place to hunt, probably. I like going there. You go for big states. It's true. All right, we are going into question five. Do you apply in California for two?

tags? Me? No. If there's one like mule deer tag, you cannot draw that I apply for in California. Can't be drawn. I didn't. I don't even think of California when it comes to hunting. But I'm going to, when I draw that mieldier tag.

I just spent a week in northern California at Redwoods and Lassen Volcanic, and that got me interested in hunting California, specifically driving through wine country. I desperately now would like to find a permission to hunt a vineyard and then go kill a blacktail there. I can help with your problems. Is there turkeys there? Wow. What do you want to hunt there? Anything, anything.

How can you there come talk to me about this? Because I just had this like epiphany a week ago. Oh yeah, come talk to me. It's now on my radar and it never had it. I'm going to talk to you. Question five, Steve and Brody have two points. Seth has one. This is the final question.

No, I think I have two and they have three. Okay. Either way. Right? You boys have a one point lead on Seth. Question five. What is the name of Kevin Murphy's homemade wine? that he serves Steve on season six, episode nine.

Is it, Old Squirrel Dog, shotgun shine, acorn reserve, or vintage venison? What is the name? I'm trying to get into Kevin Murphy's head. What is the name of Kevin Murphy's homemade wine that he serves Steve on season six, episode nine, Old Squirrel Dog, Shotgun Shine, Acorn Reserve, or Vintage Venison?

dude i don't i don't think i knew this the moment after he said it it uh kevin has a very nice duct tape label on this bottle now when was this from season six episode nine so that would have been what like 2016 2015 somewhere in there old squirrel dog shotgun shine acorn reserve vintage venison boys ready reveal your answers we have set saying shotgun shine Steve old squirrel dog me and brodie did the opposites brodie I scratched out shotgun shine to put old squirrel dog he scratched out old squirrel dog to put shotgun shine so we have shotgun shine old squirrel dog

and vintage shotgun shine the correct answer is old squirrel dog Steve got a right he knows the most about his own TV show who'd have thought Kevin Murphy cooks up squirrel biscuits and gravy for Steve and then bust out a bottle of of Old Squirrel Dog number nine. He declares that this batch had 10 bottles

and that it's pretty dang sweet. The wine's label is made of duct tape and says, quote, more bark, less bite, and handcrafted. Go. Kevin Murphy's wine. We have a tiebreaker. I'm not going to use this.

We can do it anyway. How many stars does Meadeer have from 215 Google reviews? Meeter, the TV show. What's that? Out of five? Out of five, out of five, and it's to a decimal.

point so it's playing it's a number point number how many stars does me dider have from 215 google reviews this is media to the tv show where do you go to do that i wonder google you type in meat eater tv show review it's the first thing they show you people with their full ass names on there leaving google reviews so they love or hate what you got going on so how many stars is everybody ready yeah reveal your answer set It's 4.8. Steve 3.8. Brody 4.6. Brody's the closest. It's 4.4. 4.15 Google reviews. Here's a one-star Google review. Please. This guy is not a hunter whatsoever.

His white tail hunting in Texas is a joke. He's not hunting wild deer. They're basically livestock. They've never seen a hunter. I literally almost ripped my hair out watching him rattle as much as he did. Any wild deer in that area with that much rattling would be gone. And the decoy he used was actually hilarious. Again, any wild deer would bolt at the first glance at that thing.

The icing on the cake was when he was rattling at a buck. started running away, spooked, and he continued to rattle at it. This dude does not, should not have a hunting show. It's trash. We rattled in 32 bucks. Did he say anything about the other guy that was on that episode? That was Mark Kenyon who left that review. No, it was Seymour Music.

Seymour music gave you a one-star review. You know what I would say to Seymour? Tell him. We rattled in 32 bucks. I think that when in Rome do as the Romans. Yeah. Like, if you're, and like, first off, wilder, I mean, that's just like, they are wild deer. No fence operation.

There's no fence. So there's that. But if you rattle in 32 bucks, it doesn't mean that it would work anywhere. Like, there's places where you can use, you should use hundreds of decoys for ducks. And there's places where you should use one. You just do what works where you're at. Yeah, there's like a super high buck to dough ratio that we, which is why it works there, right?

Yeah, like, if I was hunting where I grew up in Michigan, I wouldn't rattle at all. I mean, if old Seymour here knew anything about anything, he knows, like, Texas is the number one state for rattling bucks. There you go. Like, when I grew up hunting or watching outdoor television and whitetail shows, like, Texas was the place where you went to rattle. You know what his name ought to be?

Seymour should be his middle name, needs to should be his first name and his last name should be deer he was passionate he was passionate he had to go all the way to Google and then write out paragraphs it's always uh

it blows my mind on his craw got in his crawed and when people write reviews about shit that they have no clue like he has no clue about what actually happens there or what actually happened or the place we were hunting

just makes them look like an idiot anyway, go ahead I'll bet take him hunting yeah, just go out of one in for him damn, I need to start I need to be mean to you then yeah imagine taking old Seymour down there to the uteria and rattling bucks in

you think he'd be like this is stupid yeah well I'd sit them down and be like oh remember don't rattle where does that rank among your funnest white tail hunts it's just different kind of fun right it's different kind of fun I love it top three white tail experiences

it's too different okay it's too different I'll ask Seth then one of my favorite white tail like one of my favorite white tail experiences of all the time was rattling but it was just rattling like basically in kind of the

weirdest place you'd ever think to hunt local with my little kid and we just like sat down and we were to say give it a shot And all of a sudden, like, bam, here comes a buck. That was cool. And it worked.

Yeah, it worked. We killed like a forky. So it just depends too much. That is amazing. It's amazing. It's truly cool because I hadn't experienced anything like that before. I never been somewhere we used, there's that many deer running around, you know. Seth, was that like one of the best white tail experiences you've had?

Oh, yeah. And the thing about that place is, if you go out in the bush and just sit there quietly, you will hear bucks rattle. Yeah, that's true. Like, we heard bucks rattling. Yeah. Fighting. That's a good indicator that they're going to be receptive. Yeah.

Seabor. Shut up. I think you can respond to Google reviews, Seth. So I'll point you in the right direction. That'll be a great time. Steve's the winner. I think we should do more of this, like, reading bad reviews stuff. There's about 20 of them for the media.

None from Animal Rock. rights people uh there's a handful those those are less interesting though sure they just call you bad names and uh say you need to find something else to eat that's fair yeah uh so i want to tuck in and give a little little preview of what all shows we got coming out with with season 13 and a little bit of extra info on them so one of the ones we got is louisiana spear fishing which that is something I like a bunch that's something I like a bunch well I like about it is

like I say in the thing man it's just like you never seen marine life in pounds like you do around the oil rigs which is the craziest part about it is that you're watching like I didn't even know this till now

one of the rigs Like one of these oil rigs that we spearfishing this episode So when you watch the episode Louisiana Spear Fishing One of the rigs we visit Um Is not there anymore Like they went into the Gulf and built oil rigs

Long ago they started oil exploration there And these oil rigs Have created these vert Like vertically oriented reefs I don't really understand how they build these Like the engineering Yeah just like I don't know that I need to either. But I look at that

every time and it's just fascinating. Yeah. The ones they got ones now that are GPS guided and float you know. But yeah, these are rigs that are, I mean, you could be at a rig in 30 feet of water. You could be at a rig in 300 feet of water. Anchored to the ground, big concrete

pads, right? So they're yanking them out. And so over the years we've been going down there to spearfish on the oil rigs. And I keep getting notes from my buddies down there about like that rig we went to is gone that rig we went to is gone

that rig we went to is gone and it's even been like a somewhat political thing about the rigs like they had this program rigs to reef there's a federal program there's a federal program called idle iron

idle iron was meant to like be pulling all these rigs out like as the rigs are done being used and all the structures are done being used people want to get rid of them because they think it's a navigation hazard and because shrimp trawlers don't like them

but meanwhile it created a fishery you could go drift if you went far away like if you went 500 yards from a rig and drifted around you're not going to see like you're not going to see a fish you go to a rig it's stacked with fish i mean a rig contains literally a rig contains tons of fish like like tons of fish. It's got sharks around. They got sharks around them. They got amber jacks around them. Um, there's Wahoo around them. Hosts of snapper, grouper, like, everything is around it. The bait hides in it. And a lot of places, like, they're in spots where otherwise there wouldn't there'd be nothing. There'd be nothing. Wasn't there'd be shrimp, but there was nothing. Nothing.

And they like inadvertently created this world renowned fishery. And now, yanking that garbage out one of the rigs we fish and when you watch this episode one of those rigs we fish was gone six days later whoa did you guys know that while you were there didn't know it and when they dynamite it they kill everything on that rig huh the concussion when they blast the rig everything on it dies and meanwhile and in other places they're like bending over backwards to create artificial hauling shit out and dumping it hauling shit out to make reefs Sinking old battleships and stuff like that. And they had the perfect solution with the rigs is like what they were,

sometimes they were going for a while they're going in and tipping them over. Tipping them over and giving the right clearance. Whatever it is, 40 feet, 50 feet, 70 feet, tip it over. My solution, which no one's picked up on, and I've made it 10 times, take every three rigs, pluck them up and dump them on the fourth rig. Therefore, you have a 75% reduction in places that have a structure. That makes sense. But now you have 25% of the number of rigs, but each of those rigs is 75% bigger.

So you reduce obstructions by 75% and make these big giant hot piles of fish. It is the most, like, it is the most absurd thing. What percentage of the decision making is state versus federal? for those things. Most of those are in federal water, but a lot of it is it comes down to fighting about, so the oil companies own them, and to rid themselves of liability,

they yank them. Okay? So, like, I'm not trying to act like it's a simple problem. Sure. But if we can, if we can make it look like we put a man on the moon, that's a hold on a podcast. If we can put a man on the moon,

moon in 1970 what the hell nine I think it was a little earlier than that whatever the hell they were up there I don't know were they up there I'm looking for the thing right now I don't even see it 60 nine 60 whatever no they got a guy up there I believe it I think he's there yeah put a guy on the moon we can't figure out a way to take and alleviate uh like we can't figure out a way to like legally hand these rigs over

and in dump them off you're making a fit they're destroying a fishery and like however you feel if some people are instinctively opposed to oil uh oil extraction it's like dude it's done they did the oil yeah these are decommissioned rigs right damage is done it's like they're there now and there's all the fish i've even had guys i don't believe this but i like the story guys told me that like when they go in and nuke one of these rigs they got these things called rig reapers when they go in and jack one of these rigs out and cut it up and hauled away. These guys are telling me what fish are left, have nowhere

to hide, and he says, what fish are left leave with the boat? Just follow it. They're under the boat. It's a fun entity. I don't know if it's true, but I believe it. I believe anything anybody tells me. I got a practical question about that, like, fishing or spearfish in those reefs. When you head out from the

marina in the morning, is it like we got to, is there enough of them that you're not worried about getting to one and finding competition there? We have shown up. Oh, competition? Well, like, you get there and you're like, oh, shit, someone's already on this rig. Yeah, a little bit.

Yeah. A little bit. We've gone to Pins. You know, you know, Star Wars, when they go to that planet and, like, it's gone? Right. And the very first one. What's the, remember?

There's a movie called Star Wars. I'm aware. I'm aware. So this is, this is Princess Lady, Leia gal. I'm also aware. They go to a planet. And they're like, good Lord, it's gone. The Death Star guy.

That's like the Riggs. Yeah, it had shot it. The Death Star shot it. So, which is a hell of a shot. So, a hell of a gun. But you'd go to Riggs and it was like that. You'd show up and the Rigs is not there. Because the Rigg Reapers is taking it.

here's one of the biggest things about diving those rigs that you learn is true let's say you pull up to your rig and there's some dudes rod and reel fishing right and you can watch them rod and real fish for 30 minutes and no one catches shit okay not always but i'm saying it's totally reasonable that you just kind of hover off like if it's way out and you already went out like oh just wait till they're done just hang out you know drinks with coconut water and uh you'll see these guys they're fishing fishing fishing fishing no one no rods bent no one catches nothing okay they pull away you pull in there and jumping

that water and get down below the murk layer and it's just fish and it's like that it was the same feeling as when you get an underwater camera when you're ice fishing because when you're ice fishing you're not catching anything you think in your mind it's like the fish aren't there but then you put an underwater camera down and oh no they're there they're staring at the bait yep Like, they're all hanging around looking at it. And in your mind, they're not down there. It'd be, like, draped with fish. And you could have a guy on the boat fishing, Seth.

Yep. You could fish, and you're like, how are you not catching anything? It's literally thousands of snapper. I remember one time, this was on a different trip, but I was fishing while you guys were down there. And you came up and said, I could see your jig down there, and there was nothing around it. And meanwhile, they're hitting.

on steel. That's the joke. They're always hitting on steel. No, it's a travesty, man. It's like, I just like, yeah, I understand the size of it. I understand the navigation haversers. I understand the liability thing. I understand the annoyance of shrimp trawlers.

But it's like you have created a paradise and you're destroying a paradise. I'm very unfamiliar with that part of the world. Are they like still building oil rigs? Yeah, but they've mostly, my understanding, I'm not a subject matter expert, but my understanding is they've moved to these way offshore. They'll have a pipe. They'll have a flexible line going down, but they might be in 2,000, 3,000 feet of water. And it's a, it's a, it's a GPS

guided platform that you can move from spot to spot. So I don't know that they're, I don't know that they're building many more structures. Not like they were. When, when were they building these things? Oh, I think all like 70s, 80s, early 2000s, they were building rings, but I'm not a subject matter expert on that part. I'm a subject matter expert on one thing. It's this. There's a lot of fish on them rigs and you shouldn't be messing with those rigs. Like, I would love to have a debate.

You know what? Corinne, that'd be a cool idea. To do an episode where we get a person that likes getting rid of the rigs and then we'll have, I'll bring in guys that love the rigs and they can argue. What I'd like to know is what...

Who out there wants to get rid of these rigs and will you come on the show? and, like, give me some half-assed reason why. Yeah, I'd like to know what, like, a fisheries guy would say about it. He's pissed. He's pissed. Right. Hunting big country isn't for the faint of heart. You got steep ground, long distances, and miles of crown land that aren't always easy to navigate.

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Like, you know what's funny in putting the episodes together? When we're cleaning an amberjack, the amberjack, these are all, you know, 50, 60, 70-pound amberjack. Big amberjacks, super good to eat. They're one of those fish that people think isn't good, and they're always, like, sight the worms. Yes. And, like, all fish have worms. It's just a fact of it.

When you're eating halibut, I'll look, and when I'm serving people halibut and I'm looking at their plate, what I'm seeing is I'm wondering if they're going to know what they're looking at. Yeah. Same. I'm like, I wonder if they're going to know what that is. That's a big worm. They think that brown thing in there is a vein? Would you get served that in a restaurant?

Sure. Yeah. It just has worms. You're a pan fisherman, right? Sure. You ever clean bluegills and perch and it looks like someone put black pepper on it? You know what you're looking at? Yeah, yeah.

Parasites. Everything's loaded. Everything's loaded. But an amberjack has toward its tail Like if I'm an amberjack I'm an amberjack Okay Big one

Use my mouth On me On me as an amberjack Right here So above the caudal fin Once the caudal fin starts to come out Right here is a pocket of worms That looks like you just dug into your compost pile

Why are they held there? That I don't know I don't know I don't know why they like that spot that's where they live so you just trim around it but check out what i didn't notice at the time crin was digging into this because we're talking about these worms it's called an amber jack worm okay it's like a it's like a tube but check out what that son of a bitch's life cycle is he starts i got a home i gotta get my spectacles on i might just throw my ben franklin's on under my

shades you ever see me do this no that's sporty Listen to this Do I look good? Uh-huh, yeah Can you tell I got these on? Oh yeah Okay I got to zoom this in

Hold on, man How do you zoom this in? Ha! When you're cleaning an Amberjack Okay and you get into his tail guess what that worm has been through let's hear it

that worm is born in a shark okay the larva developed well not we can't call it being born that larva develops into an adult tapeworm in the gut of a shark

okay that shark is shatting out okay that larva develops and has eggs in a shark you track him and the shark's digestive says yep that shark shats out um eggs okay so he's shatting out eggs

crustaceans find these eggs and eat them you tracking like shrimp or something shrimp crabs whatever who's ever feeding down in the bottom probably shrimp little fish eat the crustaceans that have ate the chap you still tracking yeah we're still not to the amberjack amberjacks eat those little fish inside the amberjack it grows into that big scary worm that makes people say amberjacks aren't good to eat and then then a shark eats the amberjack and gets the worm back oh so what came what came first the shark or the amber jack that's a great question or the worm or the worm and so the next time you're cursing those worms

think about where that thing has been and what he's been through a lot of good evolution happening there. Yeah. And people get like, this is the thing that piss me off about people in nature. People get like, can you believe drone technology now?

I'm like, you want to hear something crazy? That's true. Think about this for a minute. Man will never, ever, ever come up with anything as interesting as that shit. You know what I mean?

And I don't think. what else um set was there for the setth was there for all this stuff but we filmed the muzzleloader hunt there's not a lot of say box we already covered it pretty heavily in montana because montana started their musselauter season Montana started their muzzleloader season a couple years ago which is primitive only here and i like the way i like the way they manage it man

you want to explain that because you boys come from the world's most primitive state Pennsylvania yeah which is flintlock only did you do that a little bit not much I took up muzzleloader later with the newfangled inline muzzleloaders um like in Colorado so like you know you can use powder you can I don't think you can use pellets there but it's like way easier than a traditional muzzleloader yeah so we filmed in pennsylvania for the flintlock season and that's like you're hunting Daniel boon equipment yeah like straight up Daniel boon Air triggers, gun not going off, gun going off. Montana, basically, when Montana came in, they did it right.

Like, there's some states where it's a joke. Is it New Mexico or Arizona where it's kind of a joke? You can use a scope. Iowa's very friendly to muzzleloader hunters. But that's because they don't let you use a rifle. That's because they don't, because it's flat and there's houses. Yeah. So it's like a different objective.

Right. But some of the states, like I think New Mexico, is it New Mexico that has a really stupid one? Or Arizona. Maybe Arizona has the really dumb one Where basically you can still You can use telescopic sites And you can buy souped up muzzleloaders You can still hit targets at 600 yards

Yeah It's kind of like it's not really a muzzleloader hunt But here they call it a heritage hunt Because they restrict the gear You got to use true to size lead So no sabots Like if it's a 50 Cal It's got to be a 50 Cal lead

Loose powder Or is it loose powder? I think yep Loose powder No telescopic sites And it's got to be loaded from the muzzle. And it's got to be a flintlock or percussion cap, right? Yeah. And part of my problem is I have a flint lock and I need to send a guy.

I got a guy. I found a guy that's going to build me what's going to be my new super gun. Yeah. I want a single trigger percussion cap. Mm. 54 caliber Because you don't like those set triggers and hair triggers Hate them

That's a deer saving device In my hands it's a deer saving device It's saved two deer In two different episodes Dude I can't I'm not smart enough for it I spent my whole life with one trigger Also I can't go hunting with two triggers

Yeah The like heritage flintlock thing I would say it's probably the highest barrier of entry If you were like just going to pick a weapon and go hunt hunting. It's harder than, I would say, archery, crossbows, traditional archery. Well, especially here because you're doing it after those things have been hunted with bows, with rifle, like, they're not, like, they're wary that time. That was my... Clunchy snow on the ground. Yeah. That was my takeaway is I totally miscalculated. First off,

I thought the season was way later than it was. So when I was getting all excited about it, I was like, oh yeah, because like deer season will be over for weeks. And the deer will be chill. It's not like that. It's like they've been getting hit for six weeks of archery. Three months. They've been getting hit for six weeks of general firearm. And then all of a sudden, like, you go out thinking like, oh, yeah, they're, you know, all I got all over now, but the gutton. Because it's muzzleloader season and they'll be chill.

It's like they are on edge. Yep. They are on the worst. They have not forgotten about gun season at all. No. If you ran it like in August, it'd be a good time. Wow. It is like, I'm not saying I'm done with it.

I'm just saying, like I went into it thinking, like I said, I was just ready to start gutting. Do you guys know anybody who killed one with? I do. Heritage? Yeah, I know a guy who killed a bowl. And I'm going to get serious about it. Okay. I'm going to get serious about it.

And I'm getting this new souped up. Not souped up. I'm getting this gun. I got to send a guy at my $500. I think it'd be a good season for you for White Tails. Like, you know, you get some access. I try to wrap up that by November. Let me show you something.

Do you know, do you use your email as a to-do list? Explain. Like, my email is kind of like my to-do list. Oh, in a way, but the notes on my phone are my to-do list. If you go to the bottom of my inbox, I have 23 things in my inbox. If you go to the bottom of my inbox, you know what it says? $500 to John. You got to fly in your face.

So I need to get my new muzzle order. what are you going to call that episode you got a lot of directions you could go we already named it I don't know okay oh you know what I forgot to say that's really funny about I was telling someone this year or day oh I did uh he's really funny

I went on Theo Vons podcast he's from Louisiana so I was asking him hey man are you switching to Gulf of America and he's not switching and so all that all that shit was hitting the fan when we were making our episode

We were cutting the episode So like we're like Of course because we always name Like a big thing is like to name I like landscape features more than Than I like geopolitical Borders So in the intro we're always like

Where are you? You know so it'd be like in the Rocky Mountains Rather than whatever Or like along the Missouri River Along the Mississippi So we're like When we wrote it We wrote it

Gulf of Mexico But then all the shit started hitting the fans So we like went in to record one time and we're like and I just made a joke kind of like the Gulf of you know like you're trying to ride the fence you know like to not get in trouble for getting the word police after you

um do you think people will understand that when they watch that a decade from now yeah Hillary our production team pointed out that it's kind of stupid so we went back to we went back to Gulf of Mexico because like the whole thing was on that

it was like well it was the Gulf of Mexico when you shot it. It was Gulf Mexico when we shot it. But I'm not going to switch. Because part of the appeal, like the word police were making life so bad for a number of years. Right? The word police were just like on you all the time.

And then the vibe shift, the cultural vibe shift happened. And you got to break from the word police. But then all of a sudden it was like the dog that catches a car. Because then all of a sudden, they're turning and word policing back on you. do you know what I mean and I just like I was like man

I just done with getting word pleased like I got sick of it I thought it was over now we're getting word pleased from the other side and I just went Gulf of Mexico you know what I'm saying yeah I think I just like I can't handle getting word pleased Gulf of Bamberjack

Gulf of Amberjack somebody watching that in 2035 when we're doing another podcast recap for season what 23 at that point the Gulf of Mexico will age better they'll be calling that again or they'll change it back by then yeah Theo Vaughn thinks that there should be a big

competition between America and Mexico like an Olympics of stuff that has to do with the Gulf to see who wins the name like spear fishing can be an event oil drilling oil drilling

shrimp and whatever country wins gets naming rights spring break part Yeah, like, I don't have, like, if my kids wind up growing up calling a Gulf America, I'm like, I don't care. That's cool. But I, I'm too old. I can't switch. I realize I can't switch. Like, I remember going from McKinley to Denali. And I don't know that I got the energy to go back. Because I switched when I was young and malleable. Are there any bird names you had to change when they started getting rid of- I switched and then switched back. Oh. So you're back to if it's like a Cooper's Hawk. I've done two switches. Okay.

I switched and this wasn't because this wasn't word policing I went from blue grouse to duskies and sodies and then now out of laziness I've gone back to blue grouse Yeah it's just blue

automatic I don't even It's just blue grouse That was this comes up automatically That was a species split right That was a species split It wasn't word policing Now a word policing one Would be the duck

An old squaw And whether you call it a long tail or not And I kind of sit the fence on that one you know i sit the fence on that one all the other new changes there's no way there's no way cal gets upset when you talk about it goliath grouper was it was uh i never went with the old name what was the old oh can we not say the old name it was a jew fish i don't know why i didn't know i don't know why crin do you know why corin's call it so weird she was just here i don't know why they used to call it a jew fish i've always just called them goliath grouper

I don't know why they call it that It should be easy to find out We got an episode coming out Where we turkey hunt with Luke Combs That was fun State Texas Here's why I'm nervous about that episode coming out

Because we kind of reaped one Can you do that in Texas? Yeah, you can do it in Texas And it's like it's not a safety issue Because we're on a friend's place but people are going to be like the reaping police are going to come out

the reaping police it's like the word police on one episode the word police are going to get us the reaping police are going to get us on another episode the rattling police

the rattling police which I didn't even know existence of Seymour Seymour and the rattling cops no amount of success no amount of bucks you've called in can like please him

so the reaping police are going to come after us but we're it was like I don't go immediately to the reep. It's a fallback method. It's a fallback. That was some challenging turkey hunting times.

Very challenging turkey hunting. We got like historic rainfall. Oh, we just knew it was raining a lot, but we weren't looking at the news. We didn't know it was like a national news story that there's like major flooding and we're just kind of like mine and, you know, we're like, good Lord does it rain down here.

And meanwhile, bridges are underwater and like, Cars are floating away. Yeah, we're like, woo, they get a lot of rain in the spring down here. No, it wasn't the big tragic. I don't know if people would be confused. It wasn't the tragic flood in Texas that, that, I mean,

I wouldn't even be joking about that shit. It wasn't the flood in Texas that had fatalities and children lost. It was a localized flood that did not have fatalities, but there was some flooding. And it was, and we were oblivious to it for a couple days.

And then someone came in and it'd be like, oh, you didn't know? Dude, this is like a major flooding event. We just thought it was raining a lot while we hunting turkeys. It was a tough hunt. I feel like the reaping police is, like, the defense of it is a little bit of a straw man argument. Like, I feel like most people just have common sense and they're like, that's a pretty cool way to kill a turkey, assuming everyone is like safe about it.

You know, there's not doing anything stupid. I mean, to be fair, there's been people who have gotten shot doing it. Yeah, and I think there's states who outlawed. Pennsylvania. And if a state outlaws it, I would never show up at the game. commission fighting for it. It's right. To me, it's one of those things.

It's like, if you can do it on occasion, I'll do it. If you get rid, it's like two-way communications. If a state says you can't use two-way communications to hunt, I'm like, cool. Do you know what I mean? Like, it doesn't bother me, man. You're still going to have a good hunt. Yeah, if a state said, hey, muzzleloader season from now on, you got to, you can't, you got to use loose powder, no telescopic sites.

I'm like, cool. If a state says no reaping, I'm like, that's fine. whatever I'll be fine and on that thing like I would not and this is more out of fear for my wife I would not reap with my little kids because if one of them

you know even if we got grazed I'm going to be a lot of trouble a lot of trouble well another argument to the reaping thing is that it triggers something in their brain that they can't resist that's cool though I don't know if That's true.

It's like saying you're using the wrong fishing lure. I mean, how many times like... Yeah, but these lures banned, this lure has been banned because it's too effective. I mean, I don't see it as like all that different than putting a decoy out, man. I mean... Yeah, but in my experience, I've had many times where there's turkeys out in the field and you have a decoy out and you're calling and whatever hours go by and they're still out in that field and then you pull out a fan

and start crawling towards them and they're coming. Yeah, sure. It's just like a, there's not very many other, I don't know of any other animal where they have a thing where if you do it,

like there's a very high chance that they're going to be triggered by it and they're coming. You're a great turkey hunter. You're a better turkey hunter than me. I can't say that that's, I can't say that that has been my, I've seen Turkey see a fan and not come of running.

Me too. Okay. Yeah. But I would say in my experience, 90% of the time. Chee code. Are there lures you won't use because they work too good? I haven't found that out.

I mean, live bait works great. A lot of, you know. But I've also seen where plastic's outfish life. There's nothing that I can think of that. Ombrella rig. If you were fishing bass, they had to outlaw those. Yeah, those were, because it's too many hooks. Too many hooks, but also, like, it was too successful for a handful of tournaments.

Oh, they outlawed it in tournaments. Yes, but I think states, I feel like states have also taken a stance. And maybe that's come in the form of, like, how many hooks you can have. But they have rigs where if there's eight of them, only two have hooks. Yeah, they would put, like, one with a different color, like it's, say it's eight, seven of the, the plastics are white and one is Chartreuse and that's the one with... And that's not outlawed.

No. There's some states where you can only have one hook and they run A rigs with... Just one hook on it. Hey, do you know, Crian, do you know why why Goliath Grupper were long known as Jew fish? Corinne has

looked, but don't remember. Doesn't remember. Yeah. check it out is it derogatory i mean i'm assuming it's derogatory i doubt it's someone celebrating you know uh episode four is alaska bear with evan falker that just happened we just had a podcast about it fantastic episode now someone brought up Corinne brought up and looking at she was watching the cut she brought out there we are eating raw bear meat in alaska again but that bear meat was pretty cooked you want to hear in the picture someone needs a

color corrected to make it look more cooked. I will say when we're eating it, I'm like, ooh, I don't know. No one got sick. I knew. I can just tell now by looking at it. You want to hear, Steve? You want to hear the answer? Yeah, please. Wiki.

First recorded usage in 1697. It was before the show. Included that the species, physical characteristics were frequently connected to mainstaking. characters of anti-Semitic antisemitic beliefs

um back that up again the species physical characteristics were connected to mainstay characteratures of anti-Semitic beliefs

yep I don't know if I believe that one alternate explanations include derivation from an Italian word Jepesh I'm assuming it's that seems reasonable

which means bottom fish or the mispronunciation of the name jawfish that is where my money is so there's no real tight explanation I don't know the first one could be correct understanding if I had to make a stab

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Head over to firstlight.com and get cold front ready. That's first light, L-I-T-E dot com. And then episodes, yeah, yeah, that bear meat. No one got sick, don't get worried. Is it too late to get sick? If we're on spring bear hunt, oh, you'd know it by now. Yeah. You know a month later.

And it doesn't matter anyway. It's like not a problem. It's alarming, but not a problem. Would you go, if you got it again, would it, Would you go through the same? Same thing all over again. Yeah. Same thing all over again.

Yeah, you can be, you being a carrier, you still have to go through the initial discomfort. I thought when we were in Africa, I was getting some unusual, like, muscle pains. You thought you had it. And I thought I might have had it, but I'm pretty sure I had a pinched nerve from sitting on a plane for so damn long. What you were describing wasn't right to me. All the people that got it, when we got it, we all got very similar. symptomology. How undercooked was the meat the time you got it?

Real undercooked. We were talking about getting trachnosis from it. We were joking about how we're going to get it. Was it like pink on the inside? Was it red on the inside? Enough that one of the guys there was like, I ain't that stuff. But no, this bear meat was, this bear meat's not a problem. And man, I took, so we had a couple bears this year.

This bear, one of these bears, and then, And then my boys bear, have you had my breakfast links? The Ann of the Butcher made? Me? Yeah. No. They're good? The best thing in the world, man.

Yeah. Best thing in the world. Corinne has a question. Corinne's saying, if you get it like you had it. But then. Eat raw meat again. Is that an increased load? Then what happens to you get you, like,

because once you get it, it doesn't go away. She's saying since once you get it, it doesn't go away. If you just keep eating it, can you get an increased load? I thought it does go away, though, over time. Over a decade, the cysts become not viable. Over some period of time, it's not well understood, the cysts become unviable. Yeah, my understanding is that the load is bad.

And the other danger you have from it is that, so it, those larvae bore into your muscle tissue, people have had problems where for whatever reason they get a concentration of it in their heart, in their heart muscle. So when you see that like something bad could happen to you, what it's referring to is that you got like a heavy load, a heavy concentration in, in like sensitive, sensitive muscle tissue like your heart. I assume this is on your medical record. Has a doctor ever addressed it in the future been like, I see you have.

trichinosis never but I know they haven't and it's a CDC reportable disease so you're logged in the in the centers for disease control and they track trichnosis cases but I've never had someone bring it up to me that I hadn't brought it up to and I don't even think to bring it up to doctors anymore right ever and then the last three episodes are the ones I'm most excited about but we haven't even really were caught them but I haven't gotten into any of them yet. So Tanzania, three episodes, five, six, and seven in Tanzania.

And I'd like to turn attention to Seth here for a minute. Oh, boy. And now that you've had time to sit back, like, Seth didn't want to go, he was being kind of a baby. Now that you've had time, now that you've had time, okay, you've had time to reflect. If you could wave a magic wand and have it be that you hadn't gone, would you wave it?

No, I'm glad I went. Oh. No desire to go back. Not at all. Tell me, I'm not challenging that, because that's where I was for most of my life. When I was your age, I'd have been like, if you gave me a free trip, I wouldn't have gone. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

If someone gave me a free trip, I don't know, they'd be like, yeah, sure, I'll go. Depends on the time of year, I guess. Yeah. But help me, like, because I remember, I remember not wanting to go, and I remember, like, it built, like, a, like a disease to where I wanted to go so bad I couldn't stand it. I spent a lot of time thinking about this post-trip to myself why I just have no desire for that place. And I don't have an answer.

The airplane. That's a reason, but it's not the reason. That's like my lack of interest. When I was growing up watching, like when I would watch the outdoor channel or whatever, if an Africa episode came on I would change the channel because it had nothing to do with you had just no interest

for most of the time I didn't want to go I couldn't think of those things as game animals I'm there too yeah I couldn't think of them because like I didn't I wasn't grow up lusting over them

so I couldn't picture them as game animals yeah and that's one of the things that started to change is like by reading all these guys that like all these famous writers

and stuff that hunted there I started to start like get where I could like look at a Cape Buffalo and be like oh it's like a game animal but before I'd be like I don't know it's like a zoo animal It's hard to think of something as a game animal that you've never watched walk around

in the wild You know like it is for me anyway Yeah it was hard to think of it as a game animal Yeah And it was hard to separate it from the controversies You know What I want to know is about Africa is how

it like it's like comparing apples to oranges but like how would you compare it to your trips to South America and like what similarities what difference is like maybe which one you like better whatever like just an observation

on those trips you made to South America versus Africa because one was like you kind of out there like in the nitty gritty doing it and this was a much different situation where you're like you're like being guided yeah degree you're still being guided i like i like south america like like i am dying to take my kids on a river trip in south america and part of what i liked about it was this very kind of like ad hoc and figure it out as

you go and like you were you're like very involved in it you're doing things that you're just figuring stuff out you know you're doing things that they'd be doing every day for themselves yeah and in africa it's like it's very like what you're doing is being put up on for you. Right. And the hunting, like, what you're doing is being organized for you. Yep. And and like, and hanging out with Amerindians in South America was like, you're doing a thing that, you know, but you're doing a thing that's very similar to what they do. Yeah. You know, maybe you got, you know, maybe you got more boats and whatever, but they live a life of getting on those rivers, going way up those rivers and hunting and fishing. And so you're just like hanging out.

There's different stuff happening that wouldn't happen, but the sort of the, framework of it is, is, you're kind of going like, oh, so this is like a lifestyle. Yeah, that, that, I mean, Seth doesn't have any desire to go back. I had a much stronger desire to go do that type of trip in South America than something like. Yeah, like there's a, there's a river. I want to take my kids soon. I want to take my kids and go to the, but we need like a month. Yeah.

And I want to go to the headwaters of a river. Like, I know the river, the headwaters. I want to hire someone and I want to But it would be like a 20-some day All in 20-some days Which is, I mean you were in Africa for a long time I keep telling people I cut my fingernails twice Yeah

That was last time you've been somewhere and cut your fingernails twice I can't think of what it would have been Never happened Yeah Africa is uh it's like less interesting to me Because a sweet spot for where a rifle cartridge is interesting is like a 308, a 270, and you get smaller than that,

I'm uninterested, you get bigger than that, I'm uninterested. And what, like, what cartridge were you shooting? The, like, the go-to is the 375 H&H. It's just a very, like,

that's what we hunted in? You hunted anything with it. What was the shooting experience like with that? How far are you shooting? Yeah, just like the recoil. Oh, the recoil takes so long that it's not bad. You know, when you're shooting like a 7mm?

meter rim mag and the recoil is like everything all at once it's like flop and it hurts your head you get a headache from it a 375 is like it's still kicking when you're like walking away it's like so it's not that bad i don't like the pop get recoil i don't mind a good long slow push i didn't know that was like a different experience yeah it's a it's a it's a Which doesn't bother me. No, I never did. Probably not as bad as shooting a big, great, big turkey load out of a shotgun. What I did shoot.

What I did shoot in both of a shot was the old Game Scouts AK. Yeah, he let his shoot his AK-47. Not many guys in a government uniform with a machine gunner going to let you shoot it. It'd be like going up to a game board and it'd be like, hey, can I pop off a couple rounds with that pistol? Did you look at it? Like, was it an old, like, Dude, it was old. It was a old.

Where was that manufactured? I can't remember where it was set on there where it was built. Probably China. I can't remember if it was Chinese built. I was dying to shoot it. Sounds like you didn't have to twist his arm either. The minute we asked, say, hey, we shoot that guy. Listen.

He just didn't want us to burn through his whole magazine. No, which. I'm like not familiar with those older AKs. And from my understanding that he had it on, like semi-auto I didn't know what the letters meant but I was like that doesn't make any sense

there's like a there's like a an auto there's like a selector switch and there's auto and like semi-auto and then safe and he from my understanding he had it on semi-auto I was very confused

and when I pulled the trigger more than one round went off I was very confused I'm like because he's shown me the selector and I remember I can't remember the details, but I remember intuitive and like,

that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. But then, yeah, didn't. Seth went to crack round off and caught a few free. You know what I,

I have this thing in my head and I don't know if I made it up or if I actually read it, but there's a thing where Kalashnikov said he regretted making that weapon. Really? Because it was so responsible

for so many people dying, but I can't, like, I might be making that up. But I think I remember reading him, like, saying he had a regret from developing that weapon. It's a mighty fine weapon, though.

Yeah. He did good. Staring at that gun, that whole trip, I was dying to shoot it. That wasn't a day one request he made. Last day. Okay. I should have asked the first day. Yeah.

way in the back, but when you're trailing those Cape Buffalo and you get into real thick stuff, he'd always ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch. He'd be like, if you'd look at him back there, he'd be like, oh, already. He's got like his finger up above the trigger guard because he's been, like, what I later

learned is he was there. When Roger Hurt got stomped by Cape Buffalo, that was the dude who was with him. And so they were saying that after he got, after he witnessed someone get stomped, he started getting real, like, ready for it. He was like, when stuff was going to hit the fan, he was always tuned in.

He was like the Bush pilot that doesn't like to fly in bad weather. Yep. He was tuned in because he'd seen how things can go, how things can go south in a hurry. Did he shoot that Buffalo at all when that went down? He must not have because they were saying to me that as far as they knew it might still be alive. Oh. They showed us where it happened. Yeah, I remember that.

What were the details of that? Did that thing, that thing had a round in it when he went after the guy? No, it had been mauled by a lion. Whoa. So it was already wounded. So they just happened to be, they were stalking something else and came around a big termitarium or like a big termite mound with a bunch of trees growing out of it. And they were stalking something else and just freak chance.

It was a wounded Cape Buffalo. Yeah. That was scratched up by a lion and he came out and stomped him. that was actually going for a woman but he got out in front of it and he got he took the brunt of it busted them up good and then we talked about on the previous show i'm not going to get into now but this year two americans have been killed by cape buffalo and africa for most of the things you're hunting over there is their nose their top defense or do they rely on Kate buffalo's nose uh-huh a lot of that stuff is because a lot of that stuff goes like

a lot of that stuff goes into thick of stuff yeah it goes where it can't see it can't see 10 inches They're laying where they can't see anything. They couldn't see me to you. Right. Where they're laying. What was the, like, difficulty scale for warthogs? Like, how? Finding a big one.

But, like, were they wary? Very. Like, challenging. But we eventually found one that was far enough away where it wasn't aware. Yeah. And you could stalk it. But, yeah, you see a lot of them, they just boogie. Yeah.

They're already way aware of you, and they're just gone. Yeah. But eventually, a guy, one of the, this a Kenyan dude, George, he saw one probably 300 yards away, which is a rarity. And then you're able to actually, like, get the wind and stalk it, and then it's not a problem.

Then it's like stalking a regular hog. I got one more question about Africa. And then that's it. Then we're going to wrap up so people can go on. How was it for you, like, was it hard for you to, like, kind of step back and let other people kind of steer the hunt? No.

Because they're so competent and they know so much stuff. It was like very, I loved it. Yeah. I was learning tons of stuff. That was not a hard part. No part of me wanted to be like, oh, I'll take charge from here, boys. Because I have no idea what's going on. No, but I could see some people being like.

There were, there were moments when, there were moments in stalking. When you might have done something different. Yeah. There were moments in stalking when I was like, yeah, I don't really like that. but you guys know what's up right you know but no for the most part you'd have to spend years there before you had any business saying like hey why don't we try you know because you're kind of like hey having been not never even seen one of these things before here's my suggestion you know it's like it's just you'd have to spend years there before you had any right to go be like I think we should

go left and not yeah left and not right but stalking there were things that that in stalking there were things that I felt like didn't because I do a lot of stalking. They do a lot of tracking. But when it came to like seeing something and putting the slip on it, there were things and I was like, man, I don't know. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me, but sure.

Right. You know, but sure. But I'm looking forward to get like, I can't wait to see the episodes, man. They're going to be great. Seth will turn him off because he has since he's a little child. No, I'll watch him. You'll watch him. I'll watch him so I can actually see what happened.

I was truck too The whole time He was licking the dust off his lips Me and Corinne were back there You got some stuff getting shipped back here Man I don't know when I'll see it but I do I got a big chunk of Cape Buffalo Big square Cape Buffalo hide that Corinne wanted to keep

She couldn't believe we weren't keeping there And then she had the brilliant idea to save a big Basically we girdled that Buffalo So like if you picture like from behind the front shoulder To the front hand we'd girdled it belly to belly and saved this big square we're going to have some belts and shit made out of it do you save the sack off of it saved yeah but dirt dirt already conned me out of the sack oh what's his plan

he wants it to be a sack oh it's like a little marble bag big marble bag it's like a crown royal bag yes it's a nut sack the size of a crown royal sack i told them i said i think you should keep all your dip in there like instead of the little tins dump all the tins to that nut sack and have a big nut sack full of the dip pouches. You could have made your powder bag out of that. I gave it away. I'd find I'd do that

and then regret it. All the time. All the time. Oh, give me another example. I gave away my red stag from New Zealand. I gave away my Himalayan tar. Rug. All the time. It's a terrible habit.

Then later I'm like, son of a gun. But you got some skulls coming back too? Yeah, I'm not giving that stuff away. But we're going to get that big hunk of hot. that big hunk of Cape Buffalo hide and anybody that wants can get a belt off that or whatever. Then I got that sable. I got

the sable and the rhone nose to tail, hoof to withers. I don't know what I'm going to do with them. Rug them out. I don't know. I haven't decided. I haven't decided.

I shouldn't say this, but if someone out there just really needs a rhone or a sable, full skin, because their cape got ruined or something. I don't know. Let me know. Probably not. When is season 13 out? I don't know.

Now? Now? Really? Oh. Oh, it's right now. Okay. Stop listening to the show. Stop listening to the show and go watch.

Dude, what are you sitting here for? People? Where do we watch it? YouTube? Let's go around on YouTube and watch. It's on the tube? Yeah. Why would you be listening to this and you could be watching that?

Yeah. Is it on an outdoor channel, sportsman's channel? Monday nights Yep It'll be on all of our You know All of our digital channels Outdoor

Yeah Outdoor channel Sportsman's channel October 20 Dig in Don't look like it It's a little warm for October 20 I know where I'm going to be October 20

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