The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 792: World Record Burbot, Dock Dogs, and Butt Out | MeatEater Radio Live!

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Steven Rinella, and Ryan Callaghan interview angler Sean Konrad about his myriad of world record catches, play another thrilling round of MeatEater Price is Right, and chat with Steve Powell of North America Diving Dogs about training pups for the pier. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's noon o'clock for our friends in Birmingham, Alabama, where the Meadeer Live tour will visit in a few weeks. On Thursday, November 13th, and we're live from Me Deeder HQ and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Steve and Cal. On today's show, we'll interview Sean Conrad about catching world record fish. Then Steve and Cal will compete in Meat Eaters' Prices. right and finally we'll interview steve powell the co-owner of north american diving dogs gonna whip

your ass steve there we go steve rnella you got you got something to talk about here first before we do the rest of the show yeah if people are wondering why i'm why i'm dicking with my phone it's uh our our friend and colleague dave smith at you know dave smith decoys sent this thing this morning there's a hunter who's a good friend of daves named devon dobeck who on october 30 sent a satellite text message in Mount Hood National Forest, sent it on October 30 at 7 p.m., sent a satellite text message saying he'd killed a buck that was going to take a while to pack it out.

No one's heard from them since. So hundreds of volunteer searchers, search and rescue, Sheriff's Department, can't find them. They're going to call off the search. Dave sent me a GoFundMe link because the family really would want some closure here yeah it's been two weeks yeah and so they're trying to raise money for to keep people in the field cadaver dogs like whatever you know what's the go fund me called and dave's been helping out on it man i think it's called help find devon dobeck

Mount Hood National Forest Fish Creek. That's got to be what it's called, right, Cal? I mean, if that's the big title. Yeah. Help find Devin Dobeck, D-E-V-O-N-D-O-B-E-K. I'm trying to right now put a thing on Instagram about it. Can we put a link in the chat, Phil? Does that work?

Yeah, yeah. I'll find a link, a share link and put it in there. So Dave's been volunteering in the search. Oh, just. What a feeling. Sad story. If you go to the GoFundMe, you can try to help bring Devin home. So that's what I'm doing right now.

All right. We are deep in the bullpen of meat eater radio host today. It was supposed to be Randall in Cal's seat. And then yesterday afternoon, Randall said, boy, I'd really like to go deer hunting. Corey, could you co-host tomorrow? Corey said, yeah, I'll do that. And then last night at like 9 p.m., Corey texted. And he said, hey, I would really like to go elk hunting in the morning.

Cal, can you host? Cat, would you tell him? Said, no problem. No problem. So we're on our third relief host here today, Ryan Callahan, taking over for Randall, taking over for Corey. And I've heard some good news from Corey this morning. He killed the bull. Oh, thank God.

He's getting a little pouty looking yesterday. Oh, was he? Oh, yeah, he's looking a little salty, pouty. But I think that's, yeah, I don't know. I think that's awesome. You got to chip in where you can, give folks some days in the woods. Yeah. Steve has really created a culture around here of skipping work to go hunting.

Um, yeah, so it's, well, it's an adult culture. I'm gonna start trying to battle that, man. You are, like a no hunting rule. Until, until, until Steve's tagged out. Yeah. That's right. No, it's, it's the adult culture of get your stuff done. Mm-hmm.

Court, don't make it a hassle for somebody else, but yeah. You were here, didn't you get a poverty feeling off, Courtney yesterday? Yep. Been helping a lot of other people feel their, fill their freezer. I mean, that's true. Yeah, helping other people. He didn't say like, by golly, I've been helping other people. fill their freezers. I think Corey's earned the right

to be a little snippy. He's, he's such a, he helps out everyone around. He does. That's coming from the king of snip over there. Cratch. Yeah, you too. I'm proud of that title. So as we, as we sit here, Corey right now is on a mountain. He was texting me with satellite techs this morning. Maybe he'll

join us later on in the show if you can get some good cell signal and we'll get that first look at a bowl. Heck yeah. Dude, I just having such a technical struggle. Go ahead. Keep doing the show. I'm almost with you I just got home from a hunt Steve you just got home from a hunt Cal I'm sure you're either coming or going

from a hunt right now can I tell you boys about the time I killed the biggest buck of my life Yeah I want to hear that just happened Just one week that's the biggest buck your life Biggest buck of my life yeah Bigger and all those big old white tails you got Yeah I'm flattered to think you killed That I killed bigger deer than that before

That's my biggest I just feel like you guys in South Dakota shot all those giant white tails all the time I mean, not as big as this one. Dude, I'm about getting wrapped up over here, but keep going. The hunt story itself, not that terribly interesting. I think the interesting part is how I got access to this place. This was just a door knocking permission. I wouldn't tell people how to do that.

Well, I got permission here last year. This year, I was trying to get this permission again, struggled to get a hold of the landowner. From what I gathered, they were snowbirds. So my landline phone number I had was not reaching, them the letter I wrote them was not reaching them I just need to confirm that I could hunt their exactly yeah because you don't want to do that well you gave me permission one time a long time ago therefore I'll hunt the rest of my life that that doesn't fly so I was desperate to get in touch with these folks I did something I never done before I found out their adult child who lived in

another state and I figured out where they worked and I took a guess as to what their work email could be and I reached out to that person and I opened the email but I said a lot of with a restraining order. I said, I was going to say, so I slept in the parking lot. So I told this person, I put myself in a large box. That's right. Their oldest child, I opened the email by saying, uh, let me put this out there first. I think what I'm doing is very inappropriate by reaching out to you here at your work email.

Uh, this is, you know, uh, who I am. I got permission from your parents last year. I'm trying to get permission again. It all worked out. I got in touch with them just hours later because of that. Um, and, and then I went and I killed my big. deer ever that that Phil has a few pictures of um this muley was was coming off of a winter wheat I thought of him I wish you wouldn't have gotten that what do you wish I got instead like I wish I knew

he was just still out there you know it's kind of interesting because that's a young face to me but great forks I mean I he had an enormous body the biggest body of any deer that I've ever dealt with um so I I don't think that that was a young dog really I know that's I'm too jealous to be. I'm not happy for you. I'm jealous for you. What's it called when you just don't, when you just see something and it makes you upset?

Right. Jealousy. Yeah. Jealousy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So very thrilled.

Blind squirrel. Something that, uh, that happened there was I got the worst case of buck fever I've had in quite a while. Yeah. Like when, do you guys not get buck fever anymore? Certain circumstances. Like what?

I'll tell you, like I can feel it creeping in and there's a mental decision to cave to it or block it out i i agree with you this this buck in particular uh thankfully the moments of me realizing just how big he was were very brief between me me learning that and me shooting him so the buck fever set in and i and i shot him and it didn't build up the worst buck fever i'd ever had in my life was my previously biggest year i killed with my bow and i had to watch that deer walk in for a half hour before i could shoot and i was an absolute wreck by the time he got there just totally shaking on the verge of falling out of my tree. Um, I, I, I didn't know that a person can feel that way for that long until that happened.

But this, this deer was a reminder of like what the shakes can really feel like. Yeah. Yeah. You said sometimes it happens, Cal. Oh, for, I think all the time it, it happens if you allow, allow it to happen. It's kind of fun, though, when it happens. It is for sure. It's like healthy.

Well, it's a drug, right? It's adrenaline. And, uh, I, yeah, I had the. this amazing, very brutal hunt with just like glimpses of deer in a hard spot and then found this pocket of deer and they're like four bucks, I think that were like somewhere in like the eight to a dozen deer total. It was like all the deer on this mountain were in this one little crevice. And lo and behold, there's this three point mule deer buck in there that is like one of the heaviest deer I have ever seen to this day. Just like all.

bronzed up mountain buck big around as my wrist and uh his antlers yeah and the deer start filtering through this little pocket there's all these openings and everybody's like coming out and stopping in this opening and coming out and stopping in this opening and coming out and stopping in this opening and he comes right up to the edge of the opening and i'm like totally set up rock solid very close and I mean, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I shot the opening. I was like, here he comes. Bang! And I'm like, oh my God.

And he got away. Yeah. And, you know, mentally, like, you know, like, they don't know exactly where it's coming from. They heard a big loud noise, big smack in front of them. I had time to shoot this buck again. And I was so, uh, I was beating myself up so hard immediately. Yeah. As he was going over the crest of the. Ridge, which was only like a 200 yard shot at that point.

Like I was on him. I was solid. It was a moving shot, but it was like that going away thing. And I just knew I could kill him. And I said, you don't deserve this. And I didn't pull the trigger. I was so, so, so pissed at myself. Yeah. Steve Buckfeaver. When's the last time you felt it? Oh, can I tell you something? I want to tell you something funny first, because this pertains to what I'm going to say. My wife likes to hike up the M-Hill. Okay. And she took our little boy up there last week.

I think it was last week. Anyways, he was talking about how he always feels so good when he hikes up the hill. Oh. And she said, your body is releasing endorphins from the exercise. And he said, and you want to know what endorphins are. And he said, well, if they're good, why would it release them? Got you there. So I have a like a pest.

theory about this that I feel that there is a finite amount of whatever it is that gives you buck fever have you you've exhausted it no no but I've used a lot of it up and I think that people are born with varying degrees of it some people are born with an enormous well right that they just can't use I have just personally I felt over the years that like whatever gland it is that like makes a thing is getting old yeah or it's running out and there's a finite amount left. It just doesn't do it. It doesn't like

squirt as much out as it did when I was young. That's kind of sad. It still gives a little squirt. Yeah. But I feel like in a decade at this going right, it'll be squirted out. I don't like that. You told us that. That's just a pet theory. I don't know. I just feel like it's like the the surge

yeah. It doesn't work as good as it once did. You know, a buddy, mind and like he's in the super adventurous very dangerous whitewater kayaking community doing first descents and crazy stuff and there's you know it's not a huge community but there's there's plenty of folks and there's a lot of folks that get in the water and they they practice their role just to kind of like loosen up and get in the mental space and he's like won't catch me doing that that's the stupidest thing in the world why uh because he's he firmly believes that you have a finite amount of rolls.

And he's like, why would you waste one when you don't need it? Yeah. Steve's been guiding some of his kids to deer lately. Do they get buck fever real bad? Yeah, my daughter has a peculiar kind of buck fever. And hanging out with kids, I feel like it's like

I feel like it's more common. I notice very small sample set. I think it's more common in girls than boys. she likes to explore verbally explore whatever she likes to spend a lot of time on what could go wrong and likes to cover off her part of her process is covering off

on what could go wrong and how to prevent it this is not a thing in that is on my boy's minds that is very far outside of their heads like kicking around what could go wrong how can we prevent it they are not that's not on their mind

are they already thinking about the opposite like them holding the antlers they don't I don't know that they think that much I don't know they think that much my daughter's like what if we get what if we falls over but we can't find it what if we hit it in the leg what if we met like

she wants to cover it all off and it's a form of and it's a little bit it's a little buck fevery yeah you know it's a little buck fevery it's fun though even even if it's like the stakes feel lower and you're shooting a dough or something just like the the moments of knowing it's going to happen and thinking like everything is going to change after I pulled the trigger

that's that's very exciting to experience yeah archery elk I did uh a great job of just like blocking off the endorphin situation because I would just get in this mindset of like broadside elk meat in the freezer then I can go mule deer hunt I'm like it's gonna be a lot of work it's gonna suck you're stupid for doing this yeah

and just beat down any feelings of like excitement and adrenaline and whoa and then I would let that come in afterwards and be like wow that was really neat but now you stupid idiot you have to pack this thing out I get advanced buck fever to the point where

I will sleep worse the night before if I know they're like it's gonna be a good hunt tomorrow I just I love that, um, that little bit of stress that like when the sun comes up, it's going to be good. Yeah, I have, yeah, there's a lot of anxiety in, in hunting for me as far as like, oh, God, how many trucks are going to be at the trailhead? Sure. Did, um, I told you guys before, like, where I lived in Idaho, I lived, like, on the main artery for a huge drainage. And unless you were part of the maybe hundred people that lived upstream of me,

you had to drive past my place and no matter how tired, wet, cold, whatever I got in, what terrible condition, I'd put myself in the night before. If I heard a vehicle go up that road at 4 a.m., there was, like, there was no sleep possible. They were going to where you're going. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was just like, ah. His deer, his elk.

I've noticed that, man. I know you probably want to move on, but no, no, I've developed this problem where it, No matter who I see. I can be doing the most esoteric, weirdest thing in the weirdest thing in the world. If I see in their car, I have in my head that they're doing what I'm doing. Meaning, if we're like mushroom hunting and I see a car pulled over, son of a bitch is mushroom hunting. You know, be like, is he though?

Yeah. Or like anything. If we're setting beaver traps, I see a truck. Son of a bitch is beaver trapping. I'm like, oh no, he's just like, dude, walking his dog. Yeah. But my head immediately puts it that we have the same motivation. Sure.

Makes you want it real bad. Yeah. And then in all, and realistically, in all the years I've hunted morels, outside of hunting and burns. Because burns everybody knows about it. And all the years I've hunted morels, I have one time been hunting morels and actually encountered a morale hunter one time in my entire life. Do you verbalize that fear to your kids when you guys are out looking for mushrooms? Like, oh, these evil people who just pulled over. Oh, yeah.

No, I do. I just, because I'm trying to train them to be paranoid about morels, you know. Last weekend, that's good. My buddy's kid is chomping at the bit to go on a big hike for mule deer. And I was like, great, I'm your guy. Let's go clear it with his dad. And I'm like, hey, there's, we're driving down to this spot that he wants to go to. I'm like, hey, there's a 70% chance that there's going to be another truck at this trailhead.

If that's the case, do you want to go check out this other spot or this. this other spot. Like, you got to be thinking about that. And he's like, yeah, I think there's going to be somebody there too,

but, um, let's go check it out. So we drive in there and sure enough, there's one truck at this trailhead. And there's quite a bit of country there. But I was like, I don't really want to go.

Mm-hmm. I'm like, but it's up to you. I wasn't even carrying a gun. And he's like, no. I, I think,

I think we should still go. I was like, okay. I was a little uncomfortable with it but I'm like, you know, this is your hunt. I'm just in support and we go hiking in there and not too far in there, come around the corner and I glass up this guy

and we had just talked about how we were going to hike because I'm like, now you've got to account for this other truck. We don't know where they are. The wind's going like this, but this is really hard. This isn't as hard. Chances are this person went up the not hard way. so maybe we should go up the hard way, stuff like that.

And I glass over and this dude's, uh, dressing out deer. And I'm like, I'm like, well, perfect. And then I start looking and I'm like, oh, that's a big horn sheep. Oh, that was the guy. Yeah. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. So I was like, and that's what I was like, oh my gosh, I felt so bad about being next to

another truck. I feel so much better now. Congratulations. Yeah. I wasn't doing what you were doing. You were not looking for sheep that day. Uh, no. Uh, no.

Someone in the chat is suggesting that we take beta blockers to get rid of I've heard of that I don't want them I don't know I'm not always looking for I'm just looking for reasons and not take drugs mm yeah yeah different points in our lives I don't know I'm saying like fever yeah yeah give me more of it yeah that's how Phil turns in those killer performances beta blockers yeah it's just well the whole theater thing it's all about your uppers and down they are they are they are I've never part taken, partook, but they are a thing, yeah. Maybe I'm betraying a confidence, but our first live tour, Chester took some because he wasn't loving how he felt on stage.

He'd get up there, he'd get up there and forget whole verses. Yeah, like two shows into the tour, he just got some beta blockers, and that was what he wrote those, the rest of the tour. Wow. God, rock and roll. I mean, if they were like, let's say if they were so instant, you know what it'd be, like, you'd tie off with some surgical tour. and have like a needle and shit. And then you look and here comes buck down the trail. If you could just be like mainline it and just like instant beta blocker, but what

he's supposed to do? Every day pop on at like 3 p.m. That's just an opener. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh my God. It's just part of my process. It's not a problem.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we're going to move on with the show, do our first interview. Joining us on the line now is Sean Conrad, him and his twin brother, Adam, have caught 14 world record fish. Sean, welcome to the show. How is that possible? We're going to find out. How's it going? Sean, he currently hold the world record for rainbow trout and burbett.

I know I want to hear both those fishing stories, but first let's start with the Burbett world record you set on March 27th, 2000. 10, take us back to that day? Well, it actually started two months beforehand where actually a guy caught and released that same fish and didn't realize it was world record. Once Adam and I saw that, he had weighted just under 25 pounds. I think he thought the world record was 28. So obviously, my brother and I, every weekend, I lived in Alberta. I would travel to Saskatchew and every weekend I could until we caught that fish. guys were targeting a like you're targeting a specific fish yes because it had like certain marks on

it was in a certain area we had probably caught over a hundred burbit in about a month and a half and then slept in my truck on the 26th and woke up at eight in the morning and went back fishing and caught him at 10 o'clock in the morning wow what what secrets can you tell us about catching that fish as far as bait you were using areas you were targeting stuff like that we usually target them in like drop-offs and holes but we use bait on bottom um ciscoes herring smelts whatever you have at the time and you literally just uh bait and wait for those fish and we tried you know we would try like four or five different areas and we actually caught that fish um in an area that we never really started burbit fishing then and now

that's one of our favorite spots what do you set are you setting a tip-ups or rod and reel? Well, this was actually open water in flowing water in a river in March. I see. Okay. Yeah. Sean, do you get any kind of buck fever when you're reeling in one of these giant fish that may or may not be the next world record?

I remember hooking that fish and I had thrown my rod out and I was eating a salad when you catch a fish and my rod just kept bouncing like in the current and I'm like, why is it bouncing? Why is it not stopping? And that fish must have ate it on the drop or when it just got there. And then I knew when I was really, and I saw it, it got me pretty nervous. I knew I had the world record on and got it in the net. And I just had a big sigh of relief.

And actually, the guy that had caught that fish two months ago was on shore. And he asked me how it wasn't like, well, we got the fish we were after. And he's like, no way. That is amazing. Are you bank fishing or fishing in a boat? this was this picture was taken on a bank but we were in a boat okay yeah okay that's what's confused we're looking at a picture of that world record david right now now now i noticed that all of your burbit records are from march uh what is it about that month that makes burbit fishing

so good um march is when they start to spawn they're at their fattest with the eggs if you can get those fish before they spawn out they're the heaviest they'll ever be and they start congregating in March in certain areas you'll get 90% of the fish in like a 5% area of the lake and then you could just target and catch quite a bit more and you just keep weed-thruing them until you get your big

one. Wow. Do you guys eat burbit? Yes, delicious. The 5 to 10-pounders are our favorite. You just get, you don't get as much meat as you would off a walleye but you get the back straps, tail meat. If they're big enough, you can take the belly

meat. So they're delicious. Yeah, I did that belly meat's pretty fantastic. You fry that stuff? Yeah, cut it in strips, kind of like calamari. It's firm, and you could cook it any way you like. It's delicious. Heck, yeah. Do you get any bycatch when you're targeting these giant burbit?

Yes, walleye, white fish, and rainbows, yeah. Can I ask you a burbit question for you? Might I love to just ask a question. Go for it. Why he's here? My birthday is on February 13th. Yes. Okay.

So we go to, for a few years, on my birthday, we would go set tip-ups through the ice for Burbitt. One year on my birthday, we go out, I can't remember, we catch 24 at Burbitt, a big group of people, we catch 24 Bourbitt. Next year, February 13, zero. The next year, February 13, zero. Fishing the same stuff. What is your take on that? This is a big reservoir. So usually Burbitt will spawn in different areas of the lake and every year is a bit.

different and actually some years it's actually tough for us to target them in uh in march because they're all they all moved so they're all somewhere and not where you are yeah you've got to find them and that's adam and i we guide and we have to be on fish and we have to consistently move we notice if we fish a spot one day the next day it's not good so we have to consistently move so i feel like in your situation. We're fishing for last year's fish, man. Yeah, and that's the same thing. And you're always fishing the same numbers.

We're Adam and I were always learning, always moving. Yeah. Good advice. I feel like that's what happened. You also have the world record rainbow trout that you caught on September 5th, 2009. Tell us about that catch. Um, the, uh, wrong picture. I lived in, that's a big brown from Obed, but, uh, oh, I.

A giant lacer. come on feel get the right damn fish up there man they weren't labeled he's got his head thinking about are you just trying to make friends with this guy we are wrong fish uh we're gushing over other big fish pictures that sean has phil is going to go back to picture two and that will be the record there it is go ahead sean tell us about that fish i just holy cow i just quit work friday i took my daughter uh believe she was uh two or three and drove to my parents' house in Saskatoon, got her to sleep around 8.30, and then I took off around nine. We fish at dark for these rainbows. Met my brother, and we fished. We caught, you know,

we were trolling. We caught a big, like, eight-pound walleye. We had caught like an eight-pound rainbow before that. And then noon, or midnight came, noon, midnight came. And then we caught, I hooked this big fish. And I knew it's big, because the big ones, they just, they start rolling behind the boat and then you just can't move them so you just hold the hold the line tight and yeah like netted it we're just like well we better weigh this thing because we are filling our biggest net up with this fish wow the world record burbit you knew was in those waters did you know the next world record rainbow was swimming there as well no we were guiding hard in 2009 right before we caught this fish we stopped guiding we had caught that year i think three other or four other

40-pound rainbow. That was the year of the Giants, 2009. And then we just went out after guiding this when we were done and just yeah, we knew there was giants that year, so we just fished hard.

And yeah, it broke my brother's world record. Now, 10 of these world records have been line-class world records. Explain what that means to folks who aren't familiar with the International Game Fish Association record-keeping. So IGFA has different. world records. The first world record Adam and I broke, we had caught a 33 pound rainbow

on 12 pound, I believe it was 12 pound test. And we knew that there were different world records. So if you caught a fish that was, you know, let's say 30 pounds on six pound test, you could look up to see if that is the heaviest fish of that species on a certain line. So and then you can register. But I believe you have to be a member to do that just to see what they have for weights and line and so there's different types of world records there's line classes and then there's all tackles so our first one was a 33 pound line class world record yeah do you have any all tackle records yeah that's the rainbow and the burbit oh those are all tackles he has both of those are like the biggest in the world ever recorded wow man are

there any other dudes uh where do you sit in terms of um in freshwater at least like are there a lot of dudes to have a handful? Like, do you know what I mean? Is it like the kind of thing where there's certain guys that are filling that slot again and again? Adam and I, our goal was to get every line class world record rainbow. So we would specifically spool our lines. I think it was called P-line.

We would buy P-line and we would buy like 12-pound and we would just fool that rod and real 12-pound P-line because then when you do catch a line-class world record, you've got to send your line in for break test. And if it breaks higher, then you're bumped into a different category. Yeah, like, I feel like Maximus that way. Yeah. So we have to buy, and we have to buy a specific way scale. And then we had to get the fish weighed properly if it was a world record, take it in and get certified with a biologist and stuff.

So there's a bit to it. You guys make me feel like I'm wasting my life, dude. You and your brother. Putting the pro and professional right there, man. You and your brother have broken each other's records. When that happens, are you happy for each other or is it really competitive for you, too? No, we love to bump questions off each other and techniques and we're always learning. If we go to a lake and we get skunked, why did we get skunked?

What did we do wrong? How should we change our techniques? What should we do different? What areas are like time of day? It's just like deer hunting. When is that buck coming out? You know, is it coming out in the morning or an evening? And where is it?

you got to learn and techniques so fishing is what adam and i do we bump stuff off each other and then we learn so we're always we're not competitive when it comes to that but you do call your bro and be like hey you know that the wall i you're really proud of it's not so big anymore right stuff like that i i think when i caught the burbit um i was adam was a little bit jealous because you know i had caught the rainbow and now i caught the burbit and then i caught a great big brown trout after that. And he was like, why are you catching all the big fish? I'm like, well, I don't mind. Are you married? Yeah, no, I'm not. Okay. No. My brother is. Yeah. What was going to be your responsive? He said yes. Oh, just if his wife, um, are you talking trophy class of wife?

No, no, no, no. Like if his wife, if she, if she, if she, if she sees a big burbit, does she know enough to, to, to know she's looking at a big burbit? Oh. Meaning if we, we come home and show, you know, we'll be, we'll come home and show my wife's stuff and she's like if you say so it looks a lot like the other ones it seems a lot like the other ones you guys brought home uh Sean all of your world record rainbows and burbit have come from Lake Diefenbocker in Saskatchewan what is it about that water that allows it to produce such big fish um for one that's a damned reservoir loaded with ciscoes it's just they have so many ciscoes in the lake so it's got good forage um we catch we caught a 40 inch

verbit guiding last year up in the lake and when I say the lake we're actually targeting a lot of these world

records down below the dam where these Ciscos come through the dam and they get chopped up so these fish

are just chowing down and they're getting huge. Is that true? I've read that before but is that true that fish coming through

those turbines are actually chopped up but not just shoved through it? Yes. It depends what turbine

and where it is, but the ones we're seeing are getting chopped up, you know, and then they just sink down and then the fish just coming out like chum. Yeah. You know, and then just these fish just gets so big, they get to world record size. Yeah. Give some advice to listeners who want to target really, really big rainbows and burbits like you. Do your research. Honestly, it's almost the same as deer hunting. You have to know what lake produces big fish. Adam and I, we would see an article of a big fish being caught. It was Montana, I think a 33-pound rainbow was caught there.

Yeah, late Cootney, right? Yeah. Recutney River somewhere. And Adam and I went, and we caught a 33-inch rainbow, like, our first time. It was, like, almost near 20 pounds, you know? So certain systems produce big fish. So do your research and then figure out your techniques and learn. Yeah.

Do you have a white whale? Is there a world record that you're pursuing right now? I was targeting the actual another world record burbit. I was trying to break it. And I had caught, I was doing it on a video, and I caught a 22 pound or two years ago. It was three pounds under my world record burbit. And this was actually in Alberta Lake that was producing some giant burbit. So as for targeting world record, I think it's the brown trout.

Because right now, Adam and I are actually targeting. targeting a world record brown trout and it's they're tough oh but we see some brown trout that are rising that are in that 30 plus to 40 pound range when you break that record you come back on this show and tell us that story yeah still we got the world record brown trout now Sean you want to know my claim to fame up in that country yeah tell me I got offered a bartending job there in riverhurst one year oh yeah yeah that's where we guide out of around there They kind of offer those jobs to everyone, though, right, Sean? Not every Yankee who comes through the door, gets a bartending job.

It's a scatch one, bud. Yeah, Cal, like, Cal Braggs about getting, uh, brags about getting offered bartending jobs. Like, ooh. Yeah. Hey, I was a hit with the locals. We used to go up there and, and, uh, hunt ducks every year, got, got some friends that live in town and had a place to crash. It was everything you needed when you had little bird dogs to run with, so. Yeah.

Could I ask one last question? All right. Um, let's just say, FFL is just looking out, you know, just to catch fillet-sized burbit. Yeah. Through the ice. Do you like, are you laying like, let me tell you what we do

and you tell me where I'm wrong. We run tip-ups with braid down to a floral leader, a small treble, in cut bait, laying on the bottom. Where do you not like? What do you not like? That's perfect. And then fish into

the night and then your second line you would be hitting ball. bottom, pounding bottom with some kind of a glow, glow tube with bait. Okay. Yeah, and lay it on bottom. Now, find your depth to put your tip up in, I would say, 15 to 20 feet. Okay. And maybe set up your shack in about 25 feet in February.

And then also, if you're not catching, then go deeper. Go up to 25 feet to 40 feet, those burbit will be all over the place. Interesting. And then main points off the lake, yeah. so go ahead sorry you like the tubes huh yeah tube jigs work yeah absolutely we love tubes um but also you know we'll use um heavier heavier jigs with heavier heads maybe that glow and then you put put your bait on there and you really want to hit bottom hard you want that thunk you know consistently do that and it's kind of like just like bringing them in making noise down there

on the bottom it just seems to work cool yeah sean that thing tell folks about the guiding service that you and your brother own? We're fishing geeks here. We guide Lake Defenbaker. We've been guiding full-time since 2018, part-time since 2008. And this is our job. Just take people out fishing and hopefully catch them the fish of their dreams. You guys have quite the resume to convince folks to fish with you.

Oh, yeah, man. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate the information. Thanks for joining us, guys. Good luck with your world record brown trout. We'll try. That's amazing. Yeah, to be clear, he has caught the biggest rainbow and the biggest burbit in the world.

Those are two of his 14 records. The other 12 are the line class records we talked about. To be frank with you, I respect that berbit one, but more. Oh, yeah. That thing was so pretty. That's a cool. That looked like something you drug out of a cave in the ocean, man. Yeah, that's awesome.

All right, let's take a break for some list or feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say? Yeah, let's see here. Well, back, we were talking about Randall taking time off and Corinne as well. Nick is asking, do meat eater employees need to take PTO to go hunt? Or is that just a perk of the job? I have no idea. Well, yes.

Phil, what do you do when you go hunting? Do you take PTO or no? Of course. I'm a company man. I let my manager know and she in turn lets her manager know. And, you know, it's recorded. Out the eyes across the teeth. Yeah.

Phil just took a little PTO. Oh, yeah, but that was to go to Portland just to hang out. I didn't do any hunting. I just noticed you had a little PTO thing on your email there. Oh. That was cute. Paying attention. We do some stuff like a normal office.

We block off our calendars. We write emails, tell folks we're going to be out of the office hunting. So, yeah, it happens. Yeah. Oh, can you take that leopard shark one? That was going to be my next one. Here we goes from Will. Question for the crew.

I just got back from diving in California. Saw a bunch of leopard sharks. I read that they are good eating. Have any of you harvested shark with a spear? Is it good eating? Oh, spear? No. Rod and reel, yes.

And, man, you got to trim them sharks. anything you got to trim the fat off you got to trim the purple hell I'm trying to say bloodline type bloodline stuff there's a layer that sits between the meat and the skin if you trim it up it's good if you don't trim it up you are in for a bad meal he's spelled bunch wrong but I've had a lot of shark fresh shark that I think is fantastic eating but yeah oh you got to trim it you got to trim it as bad as you got to trim a flat head catfish or is good whatever you know what I'm saying yeah it's this is as essential what else you got Phil is from Lee this is from Leland howdy is there

any idea of doing a meat eater history book on the French Cour de Bois or the voyagers I don't know if you've looked into that for that French stuff for your history Steve at all is that peak your interest I think that we will maybe I think that we will get to that with our American history series yes great even though it's Canadian history. So that's what makes it a little bit tricky. That's what makes it a little bit tricky. In every one of the series, we talk about what's going on north of the border, and we throw

to those guys in both the mountain men and the hide hunters, but never dove in. But when I was a little boy growing up in Michigan, you would study those guys. They would teach you that stuff in Michigan history. Oh, yeah. This is, oh, this is another one from Will. I have found that when I am on long Hikes or Hunts, I almost always get a song stuck in my head, usually a ramble on by Zeppelin.

How do you guys pass the time mentally on long hikes? What's running through the noodle? We talked about this briefly yesterday. Randall said that he just, he really hates himself. So when he spends time alone, you know, he just sits there thinking about the things he doesn't

like about Randall. That's what I'm answering for Randall there. I think about what I do like about Randall. That's all I pass my time. Yeah, that's what I'll think about this week. I think songs are great. I definitely do some singing to myself and by proxy, whoever's around me. I packed out a full mule deer, boned out mule deer up a very, very steep slope.

And just found, like, I was never, ever going to get to the top of the ridge if I stopped. Because stopping can kind of become an addiction where you're like, well, I'm going to get up to here. and stop. I'm going to get up to here and stop. And so I made up like a very theatrical song. One man play, Phil, of getting the buck to the top of the mountain.

Oh. Could you perform this time? It was basically like, how do you get a buck to the top of a mountain? And then you can kind of, any other verse you come up with. Don't stop. I'm going to use that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is from Mogore. Moor, I also, I saw your message earlier about sending us your address for those cookbooks you on last week. Don't worry, Mogore, we will get you your cookbooks. I'll make sure that somebody saw that email.

But your question is for Cal, how much your new CEO role at BHA affect your appearances on the shows? I hope you still drop in from time to time. Yeah, I mean, that's the plan. Obviously, this is like a huge challenge and it's new and I have a giant learning curve, so time is going to be a factor. but no intent to drop off the face of the world, the meat eater world over here. And I'll still be weekly host on the podcast too. I would like to, I'll touch on that. I would like to be able to be Cal's, you know,

I would like to be a great place for Cal to come tell folks what he's doing in his new role and what his priorities are in his new role. So invitation stands. So if he does it come out, it's not my fault. Phil, let's do one more. This is from Friday arrows. Phil, when will we get an animated version of your Dungeons and Dragons episode?

Wow. That's a great question. That would be a dream. I don't know if, Steve, your American history guy will also work on the D&D episode that I did. But I love someone who can capture just the look of bewilderment on Cal's face at every turn or maybe Brody decapitating the cat with a sword.

That would be fun. So Steve has to decide. I don't know what this is about. Steve, I don't think you're aware. that I guest-hosted trivia, and instead of playing a game of trivia, I played a game of Dungeons and Dragons with the crew. I've heard about that, but I don't know what that means. You can watch it at some point, or don't.

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All right, this is The Price is Right. Here it comes from Bozeman, Montana, Meteor Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right. Stephen Ronella, come on down. Hey, his first time on the show. Ryan Callahan, come on down. You're the next two contestants on Meteor Radio's The Price is Right. Now here's your host, Spencer Newhouse.

Wow, that was great. Thank you, Phil. Did you watch that documentary about that show? No, I didn't even know there was one. Uh, yes, I did. About the guys that gamed it. Yes. But by gaming it, they just, like, knew the answers.

No, they, they gamed it by, like, like a sort of, um, memorization experts who got into sort of, who got into these, like, catalogs of MSRP pricing. Yeah. And we're able to commit thousands and thousands and thousands of prices to. Yeah, because there's, like, some trends. in there too and yeah that that was but yeah I think the beef was like

you guys are ruining the show by being too good yeah by memorizing it all point being they get in there that they when all the people are waiting in line to come in this kind of surprised me they have these sort of profilers yeah that go outside and just hang around the line

and they're just watching how people interact conversations they kind of get some interactions going and they're just in their head going like he'd be good sure he wouldn't be good he'd be good he'd be good and they knew how to get selected yeah they would they would dress that's right in a certain way to be noticed but not noticed in the wrong way and they would like they knew who they were looking for to engage with but then i think they had to like they knew those people so they had to those people had to start bringing guests who they hoped would get picked

and then the the like real brains the operation was in the audience somewhere giving clues by coughing and you know you're right you're right like stomping yeah he would be like because you know that the audience can yell yes a dollar 29 yeah well he would look and there's this guy going dollar 29 yeah yeah yeah he's talking about picking those people out of the line he became famous he became famous in the audience

and so people would be like let's see what bill has to say you hope you're playing on a day when bill is there yeah what's the documentary called, Bill? Well, I told you I haven't seen it. There was some real sad part of that documentary, though, where Bob Barker just looked older. It's called Earth. Perfect Bid, the contestant who knew too much. Yeah, I think we all know it because it was featured on Delta, Delta Airlines.

So that's... You were talking about picking people out of the line. A very proud vain moment for me was my wife and I were in New York City. We went to a taping of Stephen Colbert in 2018. And when you're coming in, they just, like, have ushers that seat you somewhere. And if you're, you know, the attractive couple, they'll put you up front. And so they pulled us from the back and put us at the front. Because you're so good looking.

Yeah, so we could be seen in the audience. And people would feel like they're watching the right show. Exactly. Yeah. We're just like setting the mood for the show. If that attractive man likes this show, then I must be on to the good, right thing. Yeah. That's exactly right.

All right, Cal Steve, grab your whiteboard. this game is real simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the meat eater universe and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. I'm never going to win this. And the chat should play along as well because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer

will get a shout out from Phil. All right, there are three products up for bid today. Phil, get us started. Well, our first item up for bid today is the Hunter's Special. Specialties, but out two. I know that tool. Now, we know you're probably saying to yourself, but self, the bet out one was perfect.

What could they possibly improve on? Well, the bet out two has an extra two inches of handle that creates the patented butt stop to give you better grip and control of the tool. It's never been easier to remove the anal canal of a white tail, antelope, bear, or hog. And Hunter's Specialty says it's made out of sturdy plastic that can withstand repeated use,

so you can hand this heirloom down to the next generation of deer gutters. That's what Steve is planning to do. I can show you a thing or two where you don't need that thing. Now, on Amazon, it has 4.7 stars from over 4,000 reviews. Phil is showing us pictures of the butt out two right there, and here is the butt out one. You can see where they change the design to give you that special butt stop with a little extra plastic care. Can you show me the butt stop again? Okay, this is but out one that you're looking at, and we'll get a butt out two in a second.

Oh, no, I got it. Yeah, sure. That's the big improvement for butt out two. And we're trying to figure out what that butt out two is going to run you. What does that cost? And if you go over, you're just out of the game, almost both of you go over. So, Steve and Cow will come up their price now. I can't even fathom what they'll do for but out three.

What could they possibly come up with next? A real sharp knife. I like how on the description, it's like, here's these animals it could work with. And it's like, or anything with an anus. It does say any big game-sized animal, yeah, Which is pretty vague Now this is the price

From Hunter specialties Oh man you can't do that Because all kinds of dudes Are putting down what they think it is Yeah they're playing along as well Yeah it's just like We trust that you're honest And you already wrote mine down

Okay Yeah Cal you go Go ahead and reveal your answers We have Cal saying 2299 And Steve says $12 The correct answer

Is lower than both of those So we're both going to try again come up with a new price. It is less than $12. Steve's guess was $12. We know it's less than that. Both of you come up with the new answer and try. That's stupid.

Why don't it just have to be who's closest? We're playing the price is right. You got to argue with the price is right. Well, just because someone does something dumb doesn't need you to. All right. We have Steve who now says $11. And Cal says $6.99. The correct answer is $11.99.

Wow. Steve was only a penny. off with his first guess, but these are Price's right rules, Steve. So you were one penny over. Yeah, but I wouldn't pay any attention from what they do. I will tell you, though, Steve, Steve deserves little accolades here. That's the first, I think that is the first Price's right answer I've been wrong on. Cal's dominant at this game, Steve, just so you know, you're going up against

the Michael Jordan of Meat Eat Eaters Price. I had a conversation. Cal was, or not Cal, Clay was shaming me about this. About what? Clay was shaming me about not knowing the eggs had gone up in price. And I'm like, I don't, if I go to buy eggs, I'm just going to get the eggs. Do you know what I mean? I don't go like, am I going to buy eggs or not? Like when I wake up and I say to my little boy, what are you going for breakfast? Eggs.

I'm just going to buy eggs. So I don't go and see. It's just not going to matter. I'm still going to buy the damn eggs. It was a hot button bellwether topic. It was a before that. Oh, it was. Okay.

This is before that. So 1199, that is from Hunter's specialties website. So if I needed this butt remover, I would probably be like, I'm just going to get the butt removal. It is on sale at Shields right now for $7.99. So if you're in the market for a butt out too, check out shields. Yeah, and we have a handful of people guess right on the money. They're on the line. We've run into that problem before, Steve.

I've called people out and they've been very defensive about how they are. Guilty people always are. Nate, J.H. and gone fishing, Duncan. And maybe a few more, too, but those are the ones I saw. Suspicious. All right, Phil, what do we got next? Oh, great question. Our next item up for bid is your very own colony of taxidermy beetles.

Wow. This dermistid beetle super kit from skull taxidermy comes with over 2,000 bugs that are shipped right to your front door. They guarantee a mix of adults, larvae, and pupae, pupa that will have you cleaning skulls in just three to four weeks. The super kit also includes plenty of betting for laying eggs, as well as two pages of instructions on how to care for your beetles. Thank you, Phil. Now, to be clear, you're paying for the Super Beetle kit plus shipping from Deer Lodge, Montana.

These are going to come right to your... Whose idea was to include this? Me, these are all my idea. Hey, I saw a question about skunk spraying. Can you hang on to that one for later? Yeah, I've got it bookmarked. So what does that cost? That was a great call.

Thank you. I have no idea. I have no clue. You're getting 2,000 bugs, and they guarantee a mix of adult. larva and pupa in that 2000 bug mix that's a great question

in three to four weeks you're going to be cleaning your first skull I have no idea and this is a flat shipping rate it's just convenient that it's coming from Deer Lodge but their website says it's cost the same

if you're shipping to Georgia I don't like all these guys writing numbers down on that thing you've already locked in your answer I know I just wish they'd just keep it to themselves Cal are you ready? Reveal your answers Cal says it's $41.

Steve says it's $120. That's a big answer. Yeah, it is. It's $246.50. So Steve was the closest and he was only halfway there. See, how do you put a price on that? I mean, these folks did. They did, but picture like what he's got to have going on to be able to have that.

You know what I'm saying? It's a lot. That's what I could never guess because, like, the amount of headache. And that might just be a side hustle Like they're cleaning That's right And they got excess And I don't know

It's probably name your price Because there's probably not much competition That's $230 for the Beatles And $16 and $50 for shipping and Good That's great. We had Friday arrows Guest 230 in the chat

Well done Friday arrows Steve is now officially won the game But we'll see if you can get the clean sweep We've got a third product So we'll see if you can get the clean sweep And make cow run around the building naked as is tradition. Bill, what's a third item?

Lucky employees. Our final item up for bid today is a signed photo of Stephen Ronella. This 8x10 photo of a handsome young Stephen is for sale on eBay right now. You don't remember that? I do, but how's he have that? He's standing on a stump, staring off

into the distance. Men's Journal or something. It's probably Cal's Bow. With his trin's my bow. That's not mine. It's Cal's Bo. I had no idea that was Gallo. Obviously, Steve's a left. Is it actually my signature? Well, let's see here. The seller guarantees it's the real deal because the signature has been verified by Beckett Authentication Services.

What? Just smudges. Does that look like your signature? Yeah. Who would have that picture? That's just so excited. Why do you got to have this? We put Steve in a real pickle here making him guess what his autograph is worth.

They found, they brought out. Dude, come on. Kids, medium black t-shirts. for this shoot. And I was like, Steve couldn't move without his belly button getting exposed.

It was brutal. And standing on a stump, that's a nice little touch. When was this photo taken? I don't know. We got a lot of jokers in the chat guessing stuff like five cents, one dollar.

That's what I wrote down. If somebody put it on eBay. That's right. This is for sale on eBay right now. So if you like the price, uh, when we reveal it, I think that was a weekend Cal's dog passed away.

No, no, was a, your oldest boy was just a baby. I mean, he was under five. That's not the same time? Nope. How many years ago was this? I have no longer.

Long time ago. But I was entertaining Steve's kid by letting him shoot arrows up into the sky. I'd hold on to the bow. Oh. And he'd crank that thing back and let it go. And we'd watch that arrow. Very safe. activity. When I picked this item,

I had no idea that was Cal's bow. Did you buy that? No, I have not bought it yet. I bet by time this episode's over, that thing's off eBay. Someone's purchased it. Cal, do you have a price? I'll send you one. Do you have a price? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Cal says $50. Steve says $1.

The correct answer is $85. $85. That could be yours. It's free shipping or best offer, it says. OBO. So, if you're in the market for, Steve autograph. Maybe try to lowball them before you pay for that day. We had a couple people get it right on the money, but Garrett got in pretty quickly, and he guessed $84.99. So I think he's being truthful. But then we had Big Doe pipe in and says, $85. I just bought it. I just bought it. I'm going to verify that after this. I'm going to go look on eBay, see if that's still for sale. Yeah, if he bought it, I'll send him another one. Now, this seller has all kinds of autograph photos up for sale. I found some comparisons. If you're interested, Steve. So the first one here, if you've got $65 to spend, you can buy a signed picture of Playboy Bunny Sierra Price.

Well, why is it blurt out? Well, because it's kind of scandalous. It's a Playboy Bunny whose photo you're buying. Nobody's asking whether or not the signature is real, I noticed. So that's if you got $65. If you got $85, you can buy a signed picture of Kane Hodder, who of course played Jason Voorhees from the Friday the 13th movie. So that's the same price as Steve. signature. Now, if you've got real

deep pockets, you're looking to spend $115 you can buy an autograph photo of Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, Don McLean, who wrote the world's greatest song, American Pie. So $20 more than your autograph, Steve. It's Don McLean. Yeah, what is the objective here?

Just put you in your class. We're just having fun. This is where you rank. Yeah, your celebrity is between Playboy Bunny and Don McLean. That's a pretty good place to be. I like it. actually, man. If someone's like, how

famous? I'll say exactly how famous. Let's go to eBay real quick. You ever heard of Darmaclay? I'm not quite the guy who wrote American pie, but I do trump some playboy bunnies. That's right. That's amazing. So Steve wins anyway. He got his two points. Well done, Steve.

All right, let's do our final interview of the day. Joining us on the line last is Steve Powell, the co-owner of North American diving dogs. Steve, welcome to show? Are we doing, guys? Doing good. For folks who aren't familiar, what is dock diving? Doc diving is as simple as it's a dog running down a 40-foot dock and jumping into a pool.

Okay. And no weird rules. Are there any weird rules or is it just simple where they throw the bumper and the dog jumps as far as they can? It's pretty much that simple. Okay. You got a dog that loves to chase a toy and loves water, it's that easy. Hey, Steve, really quick, Can we get you a little bit closer to your computer, please? Yeah. Thank you so much. Well, I'll just move in. There we go.

Steve, walk us through what the best breeds are for dock diving. Well, you guys are hunters. So obviously, one would be any kind of retriever. Your labs, your short hairs, things like that, wire hair pointers. Then you have your sport dogs, your Malinwas, you got Whippets, pretty much any dog of any size. They just need to be driving. And describe us like the perfect. A perfect dock diving dog in terms of personality, age, sex.

What is dock diving? If you have a dog that is psychotic and you don't want any part of dealing with it most of the time, that's probably your best pet because they'll just do whatever you want them to do and they'll give a thousand percent. Okay, good to know. Is there a dock diving goat, the greatest of all time when it comes to jumping long ways in water? There absolutely is. She lives in Washington. The dog's name is Sounders.

It's a whip it, holds the world record at 36 feet 11 inches. Whoa. What makes Sounders so good? Sounders is fast. Sounders is athletic and he just wants that toy. Okay. Wow. How did this become so popular and go from being an obscure sport to being on ESPN?

So the things I've heard is that somebody was out with their dog. It was jumping off the dock at the lake. and somebody thought, you know, I can probably get a group of people together and we can try to make that happen and make the company out of it with competition. You know how people are. They want to, my dog can beat your dog. You guys hunt. My buck is bigger than your buck.

My fish is bigger, right? So it's just a way to make it more competitive. Okay. Cal, how would snort perform at these competitions? Not well. She's a little bit too much of a thinker. Um, the, the cutest story I have about this, though, is I went to a Ducks Unlimited banquet here in Bozeman, met this, uh, little old lady who told me the reason she was there.

She's not a hunter. Her dogs and dock jumping competitions. I said, well, how'd that happen? And she's like, my husband just passed away. He had this black lab that was totally his dog, doesn't like me at all, doesn't pay attention to me, doesn't listen to me. And I was riddled with guilt about getting rid of the dog. And there was a dock jumping competition that had like open enrollment. And so she just did it. And now her and the dog travel all over doing the competitions and they love each other. Perfect. It's amazing. Steve, do hunting dogs ever show up at your competitions oh yeah lots times we have tons of hunting dogs that uh they come and they're just i mean it's their thing right they either they do hunting trials they duck hunt they peasant hunt they like

chase a bumper um and the biggest thing is is that the guys will bring it or their wives like in the story just told uh they just want to do some with the dog and they're like oh my dog loves water so uh there's numerous yes and if cow wants to get into dog diving, what should he do? So North America diving dogs, we have close to 90 facilities across the U.S. and in Canada. We have eight mobile docs that set up at AKC shows, and we put it on and do triets, which is a thing. Otherwise, facilities are a good place to learn and to train, and then they also have events. And how do people watch your competitions?

So when we're doing events at shows or at facilities, I would say probably 95% of the time, public's welcome and there's no charge. We also, we are teamed up with AKC and AKC TV. We get usually two events a year that they film, and then those can be seen on ESPN or ESPN too. Good stuff, very entertaining. I got a question about a quick question about the Congress. cognitive ability of dogs. We used to have a Labrador that loved. She would jump off the end of the dock like that.

And it was one of the problems if you were out swimming, she would then swim over and scratch you to all hell, thinking she was somehow going to climb on you somehow. But like, I think I thought about, let's say you had a dock and you do that all the time. And then one night, the lake freezes. It would be very interesting. Do you follow me?

It would be very interesting to see it, to test or see if the dog, like how the dog comprehends that. Do you know what I mean? Well, one, I would pray the dog wouldn't get hurt if it did do it. But the other thing is you're calling out like a lake in a pond

is that there is a difference to the dogs. If you've got a dog that jumps at the lake, a thousand percent has zero issues with it. It'll do it all the day long. You bring them to clear water, which we have in the pools, and it'll show, it'll throw them on. Oh, is that right? They got like a certain

environment they're like, yeah. Yeah. I had a gentleman that came to my facility and he had a hunting title dog and he was like, this is going to be no problem. And he expected his dog was just going to go in. He spent 25 minutes with his dog just sitting on the platform

just going, what are you expecting from me? It had no idea. Do you ever find that there's dogs that like it so much that they do it in the absence of the toy? absolutely we have actually a few dogs that yeah they'll bring them up on the dock and uh those go go and the dog just jumps like no fat they're not even fatching they're just jumping or the worst part is

they open the gate to let him on the dock and the dog runs and jumps in luckily we have it's called the practice so they can take a practice jump and when they see that happening they're like practice yeah really well that's funny Steve call you got anything else no that's it oh that's great all right thank you for joining us Steve and thanks for entertaining us with those wet dogs. Not a problem, guys. Thank you for having me. All right, that brings us to the end of this week's show.

Phil, let's do some final feedback from the chat. Sure, Steve, you wanted to talk about this question from Evan. Will a skunk spray when shot with a bow or rifle? Yeah. Yeah, well. Right. And the guys use injectors now, like, damage control guys, they use these long poles and they have them.

injector they can inject it so it doesn't spray but the thing it used to be that if you if you could jab stick yeah if you could hit it in the heart with the 22 would have about a 50% chance of spraying but then i calculated that you got about a 50% chance of hitting it in the heart so 25% but yeah man they'll they'll cut loose uh lance showed up late did spencer cover his hunt yes lance go ahead and rewind about an hour and you'll hear all about it um we had one this is kind of related to buck fever and i'm oh here we go this is from william any advice with target panic i've never had a problem with white tailor hogs with my bow but started hunting public land mulies in new mexico and can't seem to calm myself after drawing on them hmm yeah i mean as you're

hunting a bigger cooler animal so i get up um don't believe in target panic at all don't listen to those people don't be around those people um if that causes a divorce or something like that that's better for you in the long run you know Canyon has that I'm sure a lot of guys do but Canyon has Mark Canyon

has this little mantra he goes through like a three step mantra but you have to practice hard on it like I've toyed with it but he's got like a boom boom boom every time he shoots an arrow

boom boom boom boom boom like a mental check list. I think if you could actually get that to be wrote, I feel that that would be, and I don't do it. Sure. But when you explain it to me, I'm like, that seems like a good idea, though I haven't tried it, but it feels like a great idea to me. I think a lot of guys as like beyond just the mental thing will switch their style of release. So if you, whatever kind of style you're shooting right now, if you just cannot be target panic, try a different one. And really that'll do it for it. Yeah. If target panic were to exist. Okay, but it doesn't.

There you go. So, yeah, it is like, it's, it's like a cult of people who are like, they feed off of each other. So get away from those people. Hmm. Get in front of a big target and practice your shot. And I do this with my recurve or longbow now. If I'm having a hard time hitting the spot on the target that I want to hit, I'll walk up to 10 yards. and and practice shooting with my eyes closed where all I'm doing is concentrating on the release

of that arrow. And as long as my arrow isn't hitting in a totally funky way, I know that everything's good with the bow and it's just me and it's just a practice thing. Don't get sucked down the rabbit hole. Don't, don't believe it. Bill, let's do a couple more. Cool. This is from Spencer Flip for the people who are getting their Christmas gifts early and

responsibly, any new holiday gift ideas on the Meteeter website or First Light. You guys have any sort of like stocking stuffer? Dude, they have to up old trucks, man. Yeah, yeah. The new calendar. It's an easy, easy stocking stuffer for you. You got to roll it up.

I mean, there's, put it in the stocking. There's so much good, there's like fun stuff and there's very practical stuff. It's a great stop on the, on the list. Everybody could use a first light base layer. Doesn't matter, like what you do outside, but he didn't say stocky. Why are we talking about stockies? Oh, I'm not. Sorry, I got up on the stocking.

The stocking stuffer was me doing some editorial lines. It was nice thing about the calendar. I don't mean to oversell this here. But if you roll it up, put it in the stocking. It's then going to expand and actually firm up. Oh, wow. And make a nice firm cylinder. Yeah.

What a salesman. That you then put all kinds of other stuff into. Yeah. Kind of like a shell, like a midlayer for your stocking. Next week is, or no, we're two weeks away from Black Friday, Spencer Flip. So hold out on your holiday shopping until then, maybe. We got Logan asking about He loves eating Northern Pike

He's asking for the best way to cook or pickle them If you guys have any go-toes Pickling them You're gonna get rid of all those nasty Y-bones in there So that's it is the thing If you get a pike now and then It is the thing to do with Pike in my view It's so good

And just takes all the hassle Yes I also like to Chunk like just Flay it, leave the pin bones in, cube it up, and food process it into, I mean, for lack of a better word, I guess you could call the moose, you could call the paste, and then make fish cakes. And you don't know the bones are there. Yeah. Yeah, old Garrett Smith's dad,

he runs it through the grinder a couple of times until he has a paste. Yeah. You could pack it like a snowball. I'm like, yes. And you, you can just do fried fried uh balls yeah pretty pike balls put good stuff to eat in there bread crumb egg put all that good stuff to eat in there season it and then when you then make a little paddy or a little ball roll that and panco and if you do the panco then fry it very gently it's got a crispy outside a smooth soft middle it's very very tasty pickling or fish cakes you're not going to have to worry about all those why bones let's do one more phil sure we've had multiple questions about this. It's a hot

commodity. What's the hat that Cal is wearing called again from Caleb? Cal's hat. The future stocking stuff. First light stormy Kromer. That's right. Put that in your stocking. Yeah, great, great lid once the weather turns cold. It's not on all the timer. I'll tell you that.

All right. You know it's fun? Can I tell you something real quick? My little boy, we were going to name them something different. Can you tell us? Yeah, we were going to name him my wife's maiden name, Finch. so before he was born we ordered him up his stocking oh but then we changed our minds wow what a little Easter egg

and so his stocking still doesn't have his name on it does it say bitch oh I like that our dogs even got one with its name it's got the right name but his stocking is not his name it's so funny dude he's 10 years old same stocking it's good as soon as we stop recording here I'm driving to Nebraska going deer hunting no way

holy cats man how long are you going hunting poor. Well, as soon as I tag out in Nebraska, their season opens on Saturday, I am shooting up to South Dakota. I have a deer tag there as well. So is this a draw tag in Nebraska? Big hunt, rich guy over here. Yeah, real rich. For certain parts of the state, I had to draw to get a mule deer tag. Yes. Yep. Is that what you have? I have a mule deer tag. And then in South Dakota, I have an any deer tag, which I also had to draw. So it must be nice. I'm out of here for the next week. Must be nice. I'm just going to be swimming in buck fever. Yeah. Yeah. Well, after killing that big Montana mule deer. I'm ready. I hope you don't get me there. No, I'm kidding. All right, we'll see you guys back here next week, same time and place. Bye now. Push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel core ultra-processors for the next era of gaming.

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