The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 849: Fur Bans, Gonad Jerky, and Connor “Bass Head” Hellebuyck

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Steven Rinella and the MeatEater crew discuss: Mark Kenyon’s upcoming new podcast; Kimi Werner’s cookbook: Kimi's Kitchen; clarifying what a porterhouse cut is; how you can’t hunt turkeys close to church in Mississippi; gonad jerky; the multiple uses of Cornell University's e-Bird; beavers as fish; getting arrested for breaking a wooly mammoth tusk; Colorado's fur ban; South Atlantic states to manage red snapper; frog and toad surveys; getting "seal finger" from a grizzly bear; watch "Steve and Seth Get Rich on Bobcats"; the financial implications of the recreational economy; Save Tuckertown!; and more. Outro credit: "The Screaming Song" written by George Alan Sparhawk Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26, presented by Maltry Mobile and On X Maps. 12 of Meat Eater's biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes, so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bird.

bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Welcome to the news show, Mother Lickers. Today we're covering Colorado's dumb fur sale ban. Iowa, this is a different subject. Subject one, Colorado's dumb fur sale ban. Two, Iowa is hunting for volunteers who can tell one frog call from another. Three, while Yanni himself hasn't caught a disease called Seal Finger, he's going to tell us about it. Four, the Red Snapper Wars continue in the American Southeast. Five, bodcat prices, bobcat prices go through the roof, like way through the roof.

Six, Mark Kenyon has some stuff he'd like to get off his chest. Seven, we're going to talk to American hero, gold medalist, hockey goalie, Connor Hellebuck, who in all honesty, I'll save it. Not a huge sports guy, but I know patriotic stirrens when I feel them. Join today by Janus Pertellus Mark Kenyon, Dr. Randall, Spencer Newhart, Brody Hederson. As usual, here, we're going to say. start out with our news.

For that, I'm going to throw it over to Mark Kenyon for his news. Well, there's a lot of news on my end. Started this new gig at Meat Eater. Moving from just being like the resident white tail guy, is what everyone referred me to.

And now Director of Conservation, so I've got some cool new projects coming out because of that. One of which, I guess I can tease now, is a new podcast. Awesome. Which I'm excited about. That'll be dropping late April-ish and I first pitched this as

Mark Kenyon Unleashed just like forever I've had a kind of a box around me that's like you gotta live in the Whitetail World which I love which is a big part of me but then there's this other whole other half of my life I call unfenced. Okay, I like that. I like that.

But yeah, unleashed, unfenced, it didn't pass the muster of all of our smarter folks here in the company. But more seriously. What's it called now? Future Wild with Mark Kenyon. I don't mind Unleashed or unfenced. Unfensed sounds a little weird.

I think it's too late for that. It's too late and too broad. You can call it dropped. There's already a thing like that. What else could he call it? I mean, like your antlers fell off. Oh, okay. But it's not about antlers.

That's the thing is I'm trying to get away from antlers. They've dropped off. Okay. I'm a little faster. Mark and I felt. Phil's second fast. Oh, thanks, man. So Future Wild.

is going to be my place to talk about all things beyond just white tails. But really, it's like at the intersection of hunting, fishing, wildlife, and wild places, but with a view towards the future. So if I'm talking to a biologist about tarpun, it's going to be what's the future hold for them. Got it ultimately. If we're digging into something about mule deer, it'll be exploring what's next or what can we do or what does this mean for next year. next decade. So yeah, really excited about it.

It's given me a chance to get to talk to a lot of the people and about topics that I've long been fascinated by and do in my spare time but haven't been able to, you know,

have a platform to talk about a public... I like that idea about going into the future. Be like if you had, instead of telling old drinking stories, you're telling drinking stories about that you'd like to have happened,

you know? That's the hope. There's lots of drinking stories. No, that's a good idea. What is the future of? Yeah. And so it's gotten me, it's given me the opportunity to, you know, have a reason to read all the books that I already read. Yeah.

Giving me an excuse. Makes you feel like you're not being lazy when you're reading books. Exactly. Get paid to do it. Get paid to read the books I already want to read. Yeah. Gives me an excuse to get to reach out and talk to people that I've long wanted to talk to. So we've got three or four episodes in the can already and some really interesting ones coming down the pipe.

Who do you, what do you, give me the tease the subjects for me? So the first handful, yeah, there's going to be a conversation with, that goes deep into Caribou right now in the future. What's going on with them? That's interesting. Yeah. There's one that explores habitat fragmentation and island beat biogeography. And really what's happening is more and more large landscapes become metaphorically islands. Can I make a prediction?

Yeah. That gets worse. Spoiler. Yeah. So that one's going to be interesting. there is going to be one that's exploring the interesting, kind of sometimes oppositional, but in the future,

hopefully more times than not parallel movements of the outdoor recreation community and the hunt fish community in advocating for public lands and the future of all those things. That's one. There's another one. Can I make a prediction?

Can I ask about it, the future of that one? Yeah. In that one, do you figure? out if the backpackers were going to start paying a tax to help out. We're definitely going to help pay. We haven't recorded that one yet, but I'm definitely going to be asked the backpack tax. Oh, good. Backpack tax, dude.

Because the backpack tax is a good one. The whole thing in Oregon is an interesting example of kind of an end around on that. Oh. If you're familiar with that sure right now. Yeah. Carl Malcolm has has become very interested in these alternate funding mechanisms for state fishing game agencies. Missouri had the

some kind of I can't remember what another state had a one eighth of one yep um was it Minnesota I'm not sure maybe it was Minnesota

I can't remember some state did like a like a small percentage of a penny of the sales tax and that state now is doing acquisitions off that money they're doing land acquisitions off that money yeah and in Oregon it's just like

basically a lodging tax that they're just increasing a tiny bit and that's going to be significant dollars. So yeah, get to explore stuff like that that I always follow. I'm really interested in. It's super relevant to the stuff I'll be doing on the conservation side here at Meeter.

And so this will be a place to talk about it. And yeah, very excited about that. So that's a big one. One other piece of news, if I've got it for a second, a lot of new projects coming down the pipe with the, you know, in the conservation lane here. But one of those that I want to bring up the top is that auction house will be opening up again this year.

The auction house of oddies. The auction house of oddities. It's been a minute. It's been a long time out. Yeah, I don't know what happened there. But we got some doozies, dude. Cut cheese a couple? Yeah, yeah, please.

So if you were, if you remember back to our show, Doss Boat, yeah. The last season of Doss Boat featured a boat, I don't even know what, I can't remember what it was, but it had a 150 horsepower Honda on it, which has got like three hours on it. So if you're in the market for a 150 Honda. with eight hours or three, that's going to be in the auction house of oddities. I think we should auction off the boat itself too. We just need to get it out here.

I just had the engine shipped out here just to keep an eye on it. Oh, go get it. Yeah, the boat would be cool to have that too. Oh, here's another thing in the auction house of oddities. We bought my dad's truck. When my dad died, my dad died like shortly after the terror attacks, the 9-11 attacks.

That's how I just remember. People asked me when he died. I was like, it was about around then. He died then. He had a truck at that time. That truck wound up going to my buddy Matt Drozst. Matt Dross drove it all over. He just hauled a couple dead deer home in that truck.

We just bought it from him. And we're going to auction off my old man's truck, which I've slept in the front of, the back of. I got all kinds of hunting pictures. You got to describe the truck. Are you going to bid on it? No. You don't want it? Maybe. What year? When the neighbor down the road, one time the neighbor down the road died and his boat went into the auction house of oddities.

I'd fished out of that boat all through growing up. Well, and so I'll add a little bit more. Tentatively, we're thinking on top of giving away the shitty old truck. That's right. It's going to be a lot better. We're going to pack. It's going to be a shitty truck full of good gear. Yeah, we're going to load the shitty truck full of a bunch of great hunting gear. And then I'm going to hand deliver it and maybe make Yanni or somebody come with me, drive across the country, bring it to you. That's right. I forgot about that detail. We're going to literally stuff the back. Yeah. It'll be stuffed with a shitty truck full of great gear or something like that.

Yeah. It's going to be a good one. We got to get rid of our punt gun somehow. Yeah. You're done with that thing. We always were planning on being done with it. I don't know if it'll go into the auction house of oddities or going to the big gun auction, but that'll be in there. We just built a new studio and bought a bunch of barn board from Yanni's neighbor, but we got a bunch left over.

All that great barn board, some. 16 footers, that'll be in the auction house. Can we sign it? Can you sign them, yotting? Sign what? The barn board. He doesn't even know about this. It just happened to be a stable.

I could use a few planks, you know, if you just, if I can just siphon off a couple chunks. Well, I'll tell you where to put your bid. Some of this stuff sounds like local pickup only. Are we shipping it all? I just got a nice. The motor will ship to you. The lumber is pickup only. I'm not shipping 16 foot barn board.

I just got a 16 foot trailer. Yacht Randall. Congratulations. We'll give you a deal. Like if you're within how many miles, Randall will bring you the barn board. And then he'll, I'd love to do that.

Okay. Oh, last thing on, our news, our dear friend, podcast guest, video collaborator, Kimmy Werner has her new book out. Kimmy's Kitchen, a cookbook.

Kimmy is a, is a phenomenal, phenomenal seafood, chef cook. She's a great person. She's a dear friend to our family. She's a dear friend to many friends of mine. It's a gorgeous book.

You can see here on the cover with a goatfish on the end of a three prong. Beautiful book. Beautiful person. Great recipes. Anyone interested in fish and seafood cooking and other things. Here it is. An Ocean Woman's Guide to Wild Home Cooking. Good luck to.

Kimmy, I hope the book's a big success. Please, please, please, check out Kimmy's new book, Kimmy's Kitchen. Corrections. Corrections. Nailed it. Phil was ready. That's right, ladies gentlemen. This is where you correct us, and when you catch us being wrong about something, you win free boots.

That's how serious we are at the news show to know when we screwed up. Okay, so the winner of today's correction of the week gets a free pair to Kobe. was boots. If you win today, that's what you get. Correction number one. About porterhouses. Why the hesitation? Because I'm not embarrassed about this one. It's embarrassing to me.

The writer in says this. Good morning. I was listening to episode 798. Tis the season to be hunting and nearly drove off the road when Steve confessed he doesn't know what a porterhouse is. I said, he quotes me, I said, I know it's a good thing to order, but what the hell is a porter house? he saw as being honest

I couldn't have told you either because it's not a hunting thing didn't talk about Porterhouse Seltin doesn't seem like a correction It seems like we're already Beering away from corrections No dude listen it's a wide It's a big umbrella

Okay You could even be wrong by omission And win the corrections contest I might vote for this guy So he says First he tries to establish His bona fides He grew up in butcher shops

even the teeth and then he turns it into an insult so he establishes his bona fides by saying he grew up working in butcher shops and then twist the dagger by saying even the guy's sweep in the floor knew what a porterhouse was apparently it's this a big tenderloin is a porterhouse

a small tenderloin is a T-bone a porterhouse must have a tenderloin at least 1.25 inches across measured from the bone to the widest point of the fillet. As you move backward along the short loin, the tenderloin thickens, which is why the porter houses come from the rear end of that section. All porterhouses are T-bones, but not all T-bones are porter-houses.

That's good info. He goes into then to continue again that he can't believe I didn't know this. He ends on that note. In writing, that's called Bringing Her Back Around. Mm-hmm. What's a T-bone without a bone? A rabbi? You just invite another question now.

No, I think it's a filet. filet mignon. Raise your hand and tell me who in here. It's filet mignon. Who in here, who in here knew that? The only thing I know about Porterhouses is they used to call the Porter Hacet Appack Steak House, the Melbourne. And it was usually the most expensive thing on the menu.

No, I was going to say that you shouldn't be embarrassed. because all of it, unless you came up in the beef industry somehow, or just whatever, you grew up in Kansas City and you went to a big steakhouse once a week where they had these kind of things, we've all just been processing wild gaming. We don't use this terminology. But everybody knows your long Tongiani because you used to run the grill at Tuscanini's. Okay. You didn't pick this up there? No. You're not even a floor sweeper at this butcher shop. No.

I also think it's like generation. like people back in the day would have known because they went to a my kids aren't like I'll take no I'm just saying like people used to go to butcher shops you know what I mean that's true correction number two Mount Rushmore the writer in says this hey all on your podcast Neanderthal love what was that that was the first news podcast two days ago why was they called the news show well the episode was called Neanderthal love something something something something He's doing some editorializing here. Man, you can't follow everything.

It goes on around here. On your podcast, Neanderthal Love, it was discussed that the America, the beautiful pass could be used to grant free access into Mount Rushmore, Spencer Newhart's home state. No pass is needed for entry into Mount Rushmore. It's free. Randall said it. I'd like to, I'd like to offer. A correction.

I think I just implied that you. You could use it there. It was suggested. I can't believe Spencer wasn't all over. No. Big South Dakota guy. Tattoes all. Did you go there when you lived there?

Was that a thing? I think I had been there once or twice. Yeah. Ever? And both like, you know, when I was a kid. So. When talking about the National Park passes, Steve referred to the spoon bill as a rosiated spoon bill.

However, the correct name is a rosiate spoon bill. That segment was chock full of errors. Okay. Who's going to win the boots? Correcture number one, Porterhouse Ignorance. Are we voting right now? Well, I'll do the rundown. These are tough, man.

Correction number one. Free boots. These are all nitpickers. Some nitpicker is walking away with free boots. Correction number one, Porterhouse ignorance. Correction number two, Rushmore. Correction number three, spoon bill. I know what I'm voting.

Me too. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven votes. That includes you, Phil. That's great. The engineers in there. Porterhouse, show of hands, please. Good Lord. Done.

That's stupid. I like the fact that he was so insulting about it. His heart's in it. You like the approach. I like the approach. Yeah, and honestly, I'm a little bummed that you just didn't read it word for word because I felt like it was a well-written piece. To be long.

You made it longer. It's not. Oh, by shortening it, I made it longer. Yeah. The honest correction. Yeah. Maybe. Here's why I think...

It's good info and I got a chuckle out of it. Yeah. Steve, who would you be voted for? I'll tell you who and I'll tell you why. Rushmore. Because here is the thing where some dude, picture some little kids sitting there. He's got no money. Oh, you're looking up.

His family's broke. And he's like all fixing to go to Rushmore. Yeah. Okay? But then, you know, as he does, he's listening to the news show. You know, every week. He likes that show. Yeah, of course.

And all of a sudden, he's like, Like, shit. Guess we're not going. But then he heard the correction. He's like, I guess I just got to pay for parking and I'll be fine. And now he's like, Mom and Dan, we're back on. We're going to Rushmore. It is free.

Picture that kid. And you're giving, and he could be showing up there in some brand new damn boots. I don't think it's happening. But no. Mr. Porterhouse, who's obviously, right? Right? He's obvious. I'm doing a money symbol with my hand

who's obviously pretty well taken care of if he's down there ordering porterhouses every time he turns around. Congrats to the porterhouse. So yeah, another rich guy. Another rich guy out there with another pair of boots. Congrats, Morgan. Thank God.

That's just what the world needed. Another rich guy in new boots. Thanks to Kovas. On to your news. This isn't even that big of a deal, but I like it earlier. I think a year ago, a year ago coming up, the great Lake Pickle was on the show,

and he was sharing a hot turkey tip that I think is mostly applicable to the American South, but I can think of examples in the North where it's true. Lake Pickle was explaining. If you're hunting in the South and you're hunting in a new area,

cold rolling into a new area, he's like, if you can find an old church, the kind that has a cemetery outback, well, it's even better. It doesn't need it. But if it has it out back, it's better. There is a turkey near there. Old church has a turkey.

He told us this on the show. And he had a lot of examples to back it up. He must have explained why. Pictures on you're driving around in a rural area. Where do they put the old church? Maybe on a hill? Where the turkeys live. Right where the churches live?

It's just a freak. It's a freak deal. But he can back it up. He can back it up. Well, he's saying, He says me a piece of legislation from Mississippi that he was unaware of. And the fact that Mississippi even thought to have this, just give me a second.

Keep talking, bro. This legislation has to do with hunting within a quarter mile radius of a church. Steve will find the exact details. Yeah, just keep them interested. I think this is the kind of law that is like, I got it. Women can't wear pants. No, no, no.

It's a worse law than that. It's worse. that's right. You ready for the law? It's got a code and all that, like, you know, like how they do the codes. Section 49-761, blah, blah, blah. Here's the rule. This is the actual Mississippi law. If any person shall hunt within one-fourth mile of any church on Sunday, while services are being held, he shall on conviction be fined

not less than $25 nor more than $100 How when's it Rob? I don't know But you know what it's meant to prevent Say you're sitting there in the old service And I'll say pow

Yeah Out back Yeah this is one of those A dude would be like Dude I'm out of here But then all of a sudden His wife's like No

No no no no Section Well it's interesting about it is it. It doesn't specify shooting. It specifies hunting. Can't even try. Yeah. But then Lake Pickle sent me a thing from on X. He sent me a screenshot from on X proving to me that when he's hunting by a church that's in service, he's a half mile away. But yeah, I think it's to prevent dudes running out of church. I got a lot of questions. Like what if you owned land 100 yards from that church and you were hunting on your land?

dude i would have a real word with the government or i'd just be like in addition to all the other junk you spend money on hunting turkeys there's also every year you have somewhere between a fine of somewhere between 25 you write that in your budget yeah it's like oh you got turkey tag 12 bucks but then i got the fine you know which which averages out somewhere around 50 60 bucks you know it's funny though this whole turkey thing around old churches we have i've had a number of friends friends that have found shed antlers in old cemeteries or adjacent to them.

So whenever they're driving around, they always eyeball the old cemeteries in nearby land. Dude, I could think of it. Just sitting here right now, I can think of multiple examples, even in El Norte. That's Spanish for the north.

Wasn't there something that happened, like within the last couple years where a dude got in trouble for killing a gobbler in a cemetery? Remember we talked about that? Yep. Probably bushwhacked it right from behind a big old stone. I remember that. Yeah.

hell of a way to do it. And I remember I couldn't, I couldn't get mad at him. No, because you're driving by that cemetery and seeing that thing strutting around for a week. I understand. Eventually your will just breaks. We're going to talk about some dudes in the news today who I'm like,

you should be in trouble, but I understand. A guy wrote in, he's making gonad jerky. He's making deer nut jerky and heart jerky. He put his deer nut jerky and his heart jerky in the same bag, and people wouldn't eat. the heart jerky because it was next to his deer nut jerky.

Not just people. Not just any people. Firemen. Wildland firefighters. Pretty tough dudes. Real tough guys. That's true. I didn't even think to include that detail.

Tough guys. That's why we're here. Yeah, even tough guys won't eat his nut jerky. Hard workers. If you promise not to poison it, I will eat your nut jerky on air. If you send it to us. I will. I'm surprised that it came out good.

Is that really what you would do with it? If you had a bunch of poison. You're saying? There's a better ROI on that poison. Yeah. Like, you know the thing where kids are like that they're going to get drugs in trick-or-treat candy? Like, picture you're like a bad drug addict.

I feel like you'd just hang on to the drugs. It's expensive stuff. If I wanted to poison you through the mail, I'd just send anthrax to the office. Like, there's easier ways of like waiting until he says, Nut jerky. He's like a hot. Because someone could back out to eat a jerky.

If you just touch the envelope, it's all over. Yeah, that's why I'm going to eat his jerky because I don't think it's going to be poisoned. This brings up the Great American Jerky contest. We ever gone back to that thing? No, whatever happened to that? The suits said we can't do it because someone's going to poison us. Well, listen, I'm going to ask the suits.

When this guy, what's his name? The nut jerky? Sam, Samuel. Listen, buddy, District Forrester, listen, you send me that nut jerky, I'm going to eat it right here and there, and I'll tell you what I think about it. It looks good. At least doesn't look bad. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind, and now, I've got my own show.

So if you're tired of lazy takes, if you want honest conversations, join us each week. Film Never Lies available on all TSN platforms and the IHeartRadio app. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26 presented by Maltree Mobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meat Eaters' biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2006. These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode.

My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eaters' YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Guy wrote it about this. He was talking to his daughter's boyfriend the other day.

That is a weird sentence. I have a daughter who's 13. Yanni has daughters right in that same bracket. Someday me and Yanni will be running around saying I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend the other day.

Mm-hmm. Mm. Right before I beat the shit out. I was telling him how I'm about to punch him. And somebody at some point in the distant past was saying that about you guys. Oh, definitely. Yeah. I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend one day.

This Steve guy. Yeah. He tells me. Hopefully it'll go on like this when he says the kid, 19, loves waterfowl hunting. Yeah. So I'd be like, you picked a great little boyfriend there, your daughter. Mm-hmm. I told my daughter I'm going to pick her boyfriend out for her.

I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend. boyfriend the other day. This is the writer in. Kid loves waterfow hunting. From the start of the season till the end, he is hunting. Love this guy. Morehouse here. Maybe, oh, he's too old for my daughter. So he starts telling me where all the ducks

have been reported in the area. I had no idea where he was getting this info. So I asked, he tells me there is a handy app called E-bird, which I have. This is from, so just for listeners, this is from Cornell. birders will report the birds in the area and track what birds they see on what body of water are in a field.

He then uses that info to either set up on public water or ask permission if it's private. This next line. Yeah, it's so good. This kid isn't very smart, but he nailed it with this one. I laughed out loud in the plane when I read that. Yeah, I've done this. years ago we were going to go to Nevada and the Ruby Mountains to try to hunt

Himalayan snowcocks. And one day I realized that people report all the snowcocks they see on E-bird. And I was like, I can't believe these people are reporting it. Likewise, we were one time staying in a hut in New Zealand, hunting, a public hut in New Zealand. And there's a journal. In the journal, guys, like, so weird. We saw some shambi from the hut across the river.

which we had no idea about and why not getting one of them okay but I don't know if the waterfall that changes so fast I don't know how true that is oh I mean but this is up to date up to date info yeah but are enough people saying hey I just saw some

I just you know I just saw a big bunch of honkers out in old lady McGinsfield like that is it like quick enough that you'd get on it dude the burders are serious yeah I think it's legit info. They're not just out there like going, I like honkers. No, they're like writing and putting

this information into their lists and their apps. If you were, if you had moved to a new area, if you were cold rolling, I don't know, I'm just a little skeptical. I'd be looking at Ebert and I'd be looking for churches. That's what I'd be doing. In old cemeteries. I also think this 19 year old has found

like a game within a game that he enjoys playing now. Like it's more fun for him to go kill ducks that he learned about via e-bird from the next door lady who's an earnest birder. Oh, totally. If I ever killed a bear that someone had reported on all trails, that would be a highlight accomplishment for me. People do that.

They talk about the bears they see. They talk about the elk they see. The funny thing is, is that you then checked back in on the app and be like, got him. Bear was silly. You can have an up close picture of it. Thanks, bro. He's in the back of my truck right now.

If you'd like to report them again. Beaver's is fish. As background here for listeners, I was talking about in the old days, in the old fur trade era of the, like during the colonial time, the Catholics would sometimes have a hard time accessing fish in like new world situations. And at some point, Randall was going to dig into this. At some point, they got permission. They're like, hey, when we're trying to observe the Lenton meal,

we don't have access to fish but we have aquatic rodents and they live in the water and it was said like they were given a special dispensation back in the old days that you'd be like okay the church says in the situation you're in if you can't get fish have an aquatic mammal

it was about 250 years ago in Detroit where that happened job where'd you find out I wrote about it when we did the pardon my plate episode for muskrat oh perfect Did I tell you about it?

And that's why you wrote about it. No, no, no. Oh, come on. Don't be embarrassed. So this guy, how am I going to do this here? So there's a guy that writes in. He doesn't want us to use his name or anything.

He says he does a lot of beaver trapping. Now he, okay, he writes, I'll put my spectacles on here. In January 29, 2006. Well, I don't know. and he wrote it.

Shouldn't have brought it up. He writes to the suits at the church. What do you call him? In his denomination? The Padres? The cloaks. He writes to his Padre. No, he writes to the bishop.

The big suits. He's a Catholic, and he writes to his bishop saying, hey, man, I'm a big beaver trapper. Can I eat my beavers for the Lenton meal? His bishop, and this guy's got a stamp, the Roman Catholic bishop of blank, okay, he writes him a special letter back saying, go on ahead. Eat your beavers for your Lenton meal. And he ends his letter. This dispensation, the letters, January 29, 2006, the letter says from his bishop, his bishop writes him this, although this practice is not customary with. within this diocese, the dispensation is granted with the understanding

that the penitential character of the Fridays of Lent will continue to be faithfully observed through appropriate acts of prayer, self-denial, and charity. This dispensation applies only to the consumption of muskrat and beaver and does not otherwise dispense from the church's discipline regarding Lenton observance. It is granted for the Fridays of Lent in the year 2026 and is not to be presumed beyond this scope or duration. Oh. It's interesting that it's like a stuck to him in.

There's an expiration date on it. Yeah, he has to ask again in 2027. Really stuck it to him in the end. That's a lot. That's great, though. Yeah. For more background, it was the 1780s. They were French Catholic missionaries.

They had a few hard winters consecutively. It got to the point where they were starving and eating chopped hay. And that was when they made the determination that you can eat muskrats, which were plentiful, where they were living in Southern Michigan. Still are. We also. Why were they eating chopped hay? Because they had plenty of muskets.

Because it wasn't legal yet for them to eat. Oh, just on a certain day they had a resort to chopped hay. Yes. Like that that was what got them to make it okay for them to eat muskrats. But are you following me? They didn't have any other food. I got it. But if you came up to, let's say, like, have you ever fasted for 24 hours?

Yeah. Okay. I have. It's not that big of a deal. I don't start eating chopped hay if I'm fasting for 24 hours. There was a broader issue, I think, with food supply. You said it was a tough winner, right? Yeah.

They were struggling to have food. many days during Lent, I smell a fresh parrot boots for someone. During Lent, how many days do you have to only eat fish? I thought it was only Fridays during the Lent period. The problem is not that they just can't get fish. It's that they're starving more generally. They were probably- They could eat the muskrats any day they wanted except for the Fridays during Lent.

Yeah. I don't know. Sounds like someone needs to do a little fact check. Yeah, did please do. I meant you. We know. I'm going to win the boots I'm going to start making things

that I can correct and then I'll write in the correction and win the boots although you don't We'll need to vote with some votes We can probably just hook you up with some boots Yeah you'll need to vote for me Just get a P.O. Box and then put them in the auction house

audits. Okay everybody, joined now by Olympic gold medalist Connor Hellebuck who was the goalie during the Olympic gold medal game there against the damn Canadians who must have blocked

like I don't know I heard something crazy you could probably tell us like there's like 42 shots or something all of a sudden and you didn't get the you of course didn't get the winning goal but you carried the game man

thanks yeah I did help on that goal though I got an assist oh excellent pretty rare for a goalie to get that that's amazing I want to tell you I want to first admit something to you. It's a running joke in my family. It's a running joke among my friends that I'm the dumbest guy in the world about sports.

But I have, you could ask my kids this. I periodically make my kids watch the 1980s, like, Miracle on Ice incident. And I teach it to them as sort of a moment, a defining moment in American history. So because of that, like, I, like, Olympic. hockey matters to me and I happen to be on your guy's day

on your big wind day I was traveling with our colleague Max Barta who is like all in way in on hockey and so I got to live the game next to him

we wound up in the we were traveling so he wound up in the Delta lounge and tension in the Delta lounge was high when you guys one, people erupted

in the Delta Lounge. I mean, went nuts in the Delta Lounge. Max is running around in his jersey. His jersey that was the goalie when we beat the Soviets. That dude's name is on the back of his jersey.

In the airport, guys are coming up to hug Max. High-fiving him. It was like the funnest sort of thing that, like, just to be by Max and through all that. And we watched it. And it was like, honest to God, like it was like at that moment in the Delta

lounge, it was like emotional, dude. And it was amazing to watch. And I said, and then my buddy Tommy Edson, who I like a lot, text me like in the minutes after. And he's like, this guy has a large mouth bass on his

helmet. And he's like, you need to talk to this guy. And so here we are. yeah i think uh i we didn't really feel how much it brought the country together until we step foot back in america and then it was just it was insane everywhere we went every place you let one little u.s.a chant out and this the whole place was so much fun i mean the last the immediate 72 hours after we won uh i mean i can count the hours of sleep on one hand yeah

The just the feel from the people around It was just incredible. I mean, we were supposed to land in New York and we ended up switching to Miami within, I don't know, four hours before the flight. And it took that four hours for everyone to know exactly what we're doing the entire day.

Oh, yeah. I had an it. Before we had our itinerary. So that was pretty cool. And I think the best thing I could have done is throw a basket of my mask. I mean, I put a fish. every single mask, but I like to try to keep it with bass because I love bass fishing.

But I mix in trout, walleye, like, must be, you know, they'll change it up. I've had a lot of masks over the years. But putting the mask on there is just absolutely blown up my biggest passion of bass fishing. That's great. So I got a friend that plays Major League Baseball, and man, that is a not a fishing-friendly, that is not a fishing-friendly enterprise. What is your off-season look like? Like, when are you guys, like, really free to fish?

So our last regular season game is roughly April 18th, so mid-April. If you make playoffs and go on for another two months to the end of the final, so mid-June, but that's only two teams. For the most part, the fishing season is mid-April to, say, mid-September. And fishing season kind of ends end to August, but if you don't make playoffs, you have mid-April all the way to mid-September. I've asked my buddy in baseball this because for him, it's whether season's going to end and what kind of hunting he's going to be able to do in October or not. Yeah.

And I, this, I'll talk about a guy named Pete Alonzo, and I asked him, do you ever hope you don't make playoffs so you can hunt more? And he said, that is not a hope. Yeah. Well, you know, I have it set up pretty good where, I mean, we play a lot of the Southern teams. and I have a little travel rod and a little backpack that throw gear in. And any chance I get post-practice or get an off day, I just throw the backpack on and go find a spot. Oh, is that right?

Yeah, I go off the bank or get a guide if I have a full day off. If not, I'll just hike around and walk around the lake and try to catch a fish here and there. But what if I was pretty good for fishing and hunting? We have all of October. We'll start in September. The geese hunting up here, the bird hunting is incredible. They come in by the thousands.

You're limited out within 45 minutes with 10 guys, which is crazy. But the deer hunting is shortly after that. So we go from fishing season, get here for the hockey season. And then we have hunting season, which starts with birds, then goes to bucks. And then the ice breeze is over. And then we have world-class walleye ice fishing. No, I mean, it's just one thing after the next. Got it.

It's really fun. Yeah. So of all the places you've lived and considering where you grew up, what do you regard as, like, when you think of home water, you know, like the sort of, like, for you, the emotional center of your fishing life is where? Like, what's home water? So home, home water? Or like, yeah, like, would you imagine yourself, like on the, like, the place that means the most to you? What is that place? What body of water?

So, I mean, all the, we have in Michigan a ton of small lakes, especially in Oakland County. That's where I grew up and that's why I still live in the summer. So I'd say any of those lakes, I know I'm like the back of my hand. But from like a more broad spectrum, I would consider Lake St. Clair, my homeowner. Got it. I'm better on the smaller lakes, but I'm also pretty good on the big lake too. And the big lake is, if someone's coming in to go fishing, you take them to the big lake. so if you had to go smallmouth bass large mouth bass where you add on that small

wolf bass you're going straight to lake st.clair you can catch i mean you can catch six pounders in there but for the most part you're catching 20 20 pound five pound bags that's your five bass limit yeah what i what i meant was if you had to pick between small mouths oh in large mouths like you're a large mouth guy would you say yeah uh no i'd say i'm probably a small mouth guy but you know it's crazy you ask someone that's been fishing smallmouth for 10 years and be like oh I want to go catch large mouth right now and then vice versa you ask the largemouth guys

hey what do you want to go catch and I'd love to catch a small mouth so you know for me I think I can do both but I think small mouth just based on the size and the quantity that we have them in Michigan I'd have to have a small mouth guy okay then I got a personal question for you if you had to take a stab how many large mouth bass

have you fried and eaten in your life. I have eaten one when I was a kid because we didn't know. We didn't know that it's a sport fish and we wanted to try it when we were younger and my parents made it. The second, we got a little more into fishing. We realized, oh, you don't really eat these for the sport. So it's very much frowned upon in my life and my world.

Really? Yes. I got a buddy who was a. he was an amateur pro like what that's a contradiction amateur pro bass is that the right way you put it either way he's an amateur competitive bass angler

and I was fishing with him and I learned that this guy his whole life has been doing this he had never eaten a bass you're talking about Matt Elliott yeah I made him eat one

no you actually made me make him eat one Oh, sorry. I mean, they're okay. But if you can just go in that same body of water and catch walleye, like walleye is going to taste way better. Yeah, understood. Plenty of walleye. So right now, what, uh, right now tell me where you're at right now and with your season and everything.

What will be the net, like what fish and trip? What's your next fishing trip you got planned? Like what will be the next outing you do? Well, I'm debating right now. We're right now. we're fighting for a playoff spot and the schedule is just insane after the Olympics. It's every other day. So fighting time is pretty difficult. But we're debating on our next off day trying to sneak out, go ice fishing. Or if that doesn't work out, April 1st, I got an off day in Dallas. I'm trying to talk them into flying in early so I can take a guide out.

But if that's not the case, I'll just have someone pick me up and we'll just go beat the bank with the travel rod. Okay, man. I bet you have some guys from Dallas. listen to the show, probably hitting you up with fishing spots, man. Yeah, honestly, they probably will. And let's keep those secrets. All right, Connor, thanks so much for joining on, man. Thank you for the win. It really was like, it was such a fun day, dude.

And it was people were so happy. And just seeing everybody in the airport and seeing my buddy Max so happy. Everybody felt good. I was in such a good mood. I got home. My kids thought something was wrong with me. I made them watch highlights from the 1980s game so I was like

you'll help you'll understand why your dad's so emotional that we just won another gold medal in hockey so that's great man thank you so much for joining and have a good fishing trip in Dallas buddy thanks no problem glad to be here thanks Connor thank you

no problem guys okay on to our next story two California men charged this is breaking news. Two California men charged for shattering a $200,000 mammoth tusk at a museum. They were at the ancient Ozarks Natural History Museum in Branson, Missouri. There's a big mammoth skeleton with big tusks. 200-pound tusks. One of these guys, apparently, and I understand, gets up on his buddy's shoulders

because he wants to get a picture or something of him hanging from that tusk. and shattered it. They're like, got arrested. When I say I understand, when I'm in a museum, all I can think about is touching everything and getting stuff out. Getting stuff out.

Stealing? Randle me were in a museum, and they had a teepee. You couldn't go into it. What did we talk about that we wanted to do? Oh, like two hours after we'd left that museum, you're still talking about how you wanted to climb inside of the teepee,

just to see how it felt. Yeah. So I'm saying, when I'm at a museum, I'm like, sure I like to get that out and have a look. I sure like to fiddle with that. Right? I understand, but the difference between me and these gentlemen, they weren't fiddling with it. They were going to try to do a pull-up.

He was trying to hang from it. Todd, Azavetto, and Brett Howard. what an embarrassing way to have to have your mug shut. It's so embarrassing. It's such a weird lapse of judgment. Do you think they were drunk? Yeah, I was going to say their faces look a little puffy here.

That's just the look you get when you're arrested. Yeah. Maybe because most people that are arrested are drunk. There's a strong correlation. What I'm saying, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to like justify. I'm saying I walk through museums. The main thing I'm thinking of. about is ways in which I wish I could

have allowed to violate the museum's rules. Right, but then there's another part of your brain that's saying do you think if I did that there would be consequences? Yes. But I'm like, do I wish I could just have at it in the museum? Yes. So they broke a $200,000 tuss.

Yeah. He tried to hang from it and shattered a 200-pound pound mammoth tusk. It's a good question though, Yanni. What was the question even? How much, what do you think the punishment should be? It's going to be reparations that they'll never be able to afford.

Probably. She'll just have to live the rest of his life knowing that he owes that museum a ton of money or something. I should have to like sweep up that museum for the rest of his life. Oh, you want to know something nuts? My brother Danny. they were out doing their work.

He works in Alaska. He's a salmon biologist. They were out doing their work. I'm not going to tell you even kind of where he was. I don't actually know where he was. He says way up. There's a giant cut bank. And he said hanging out of that cut bank is a big mammoth tusk.

They didn't even touch it. Well, he can't legally touch it. No, not just him. You can't. Yeah. But, I mean, how many guys would have been like, well, let's just go touch it. So wait. Alaska natives can touch it?

get a picture. I don't know. I'm guessing they may be. I don't know. I know that he couldn't. It was federal land. And he said the way it was positioned, you'd have had to rig up. You'd have had to bush rig a ladder. It was so high up a cut bank. But he said just hanging out of the cut bank. So the proper steps would be, like, you would have to contact the managing agency and inform them of this for them to collect it or documented or something. You're not under an obligation to do it. Yeah, but there's rules about like fossils over. I mean, Spencer probably knows this morning. There's rules about fossils over a certain size, I think, and all kinds of what you made a permit for.

Maybe he did. I mean, maybe he did report it, but he didn't touch it and he wasn't allowed to touch it. And he said, and if he wanted to touch it, it would have been a real project. He said it was way up a cut bank. Next rainstorm, it might just disappear. No, sure. It'll get cut. Yeah. Yeah, all those ones people find in the riverbeds are obviously a row now.

I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind, and now got my own show. So if you're tired or lazy takes, if you want honest conversations, join us each week. Film Never Lies, available on all TSN platforms in the IHeartRadio app. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26, presented by Maltry Mobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meat Eaters' biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love.

The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. Brody, the long overdue fur sales band report from Brody. Yep, Colorado fur ban. I'm sure a lot of people have heard about this, but I'll give background then like what's going on and what could happen in the future. They tried this thing in the city of Denver a few years ago, four or five years ago, I think it was, to ban the sale of fur products in the city of Denver.

Then it went away and now it came back. So what the deal is, it's a proposed statewide rule to prohibit the commercial sale barter or trade of wild animal fur or fur. products in Colorado, the state of Colorado. So like typical species like bear species like beaver, fox, bobcat, Martin, muskrat, stuff like that. But not beaver. Beaver's in there. Well, when you get to the really dumb part.

Yeah. Anyway. The proposal doesn't ban trapping or hunting. But, you know, obviously it's going to undermine the economic viability of certain businesses in Colorado. You might be wondering who started this and how it happened. And it's weird because this isn't like the cat hunting thing that happened last year in Colorado, which was a ballot measure. Under Colorado law, citizens can petition the state wildlife rulemaking body to like just create or change regulations. So you could like go to the Wildlife Commission in Colorado and be like, I think I should be able to shoot two meal deer bucks a year.

And then they'd say yay or nay, you know, have a process that that would go through. This particular proposal was submitted by a citizen named Samantha Miller, who works for the wildlife advocacy group. That's a good way to describe it, I guess. Center for Biological Diversity, which we talked about last week. It's one of those groups that gives themselves a serious name, you know, but they're actually like an animal rights activist group. Yeah, they're the worst.

Well, not the worst, but among them. And Samantha Miller was also the person who was largely in charge of the cats aren't trophies thing that went, didn't go through in Colorado last year. So we already talked about, like, restrict all commercial fur sales. Like how it reached the commission. And like, this is almost a story of like a rogue wildlife commission as much as anything else. Because on March 4, so a little over a week ago, Colorado Parks and Wildlife voted, the commission voted six to four to advance a citizen position that would ban the commercial sale of wild animal furt. apparently this this like process was very chaotic a lot of people didn't really know what they were voting on it seems like there's a lot of confusion and anger and disgust like in the meeting there are several hundred people there from the public hunters anglers trappers that opposed this measure uh CPW's new director she like came out and said we do not believe that this is a good thing to do. There's no biological justification for doing so.

And that was said before the meeting. Oh, yeah. Before the voting before so well. Because they pointed out there's no, there is no population level impact from this thing. So after hours of public comment and debate, the commission vote six to four to go forward with it. If you want to look up the names of those commissioners, you can. They're tied closely to, they're appointed by governor polis. They're tied closely. They're tied closely. to polis is tied closely to some animal rights measures these people are as well and they kind of just did their own thing which is which is sad so if this thing goes through the impacts to businesses like a big one would be the fly fishing like retail business fly tying like you walk into a fly shop you'll see

an entire wall of fly tying materials and a lot of those have fur in them fur hair from muskrats beavers rabbits and a lot of them carry the name of it yeah for sure um some other stuff would be apparel uh cowboy hats would be another yeah but that's what's so stupid about this go ahead what's so stupid about it is when you make when you make a cowboy hat yep like a high quality beaver wool felt cowboy hat you take a beaver pelt you throw away the leather you throw away the guard hair and you take the under fur and compress it into felt they're saying well that's okay Because that's cowboy hats. But if you took a beaver pelt, you can sell that cowboy hat, you can throw away the leather, throw away the guard hairs, make it unrecognizable, cool.

But should you take the beaver pelt and just sew it into a hat, not cool. Exactly. That's illegal. Yep. And then there's like. It is so asinine. Yeah. And that kind of gets to like supply chain issues.

A lot of taxidermy projects would also be affected. by this thing. So it's, it could impact a lot, a lot of different areas. And they can't figure out how to write the problem now is they can't figure out how to write the rule. No. It's so chaotic and full of contradictions. Yeah. So like what happens next is bottom line is it's not law yet. It's in the rule development. The vote, what it did was move it forward into the like rule development and public comment stage. So the Wildlife Commission has to have another. boat before the ban takes effect. So, um, that's going to happen.

Then Colorado Parks and Wildlife would have to like draft proposed rules, which they'd also have to debate on what the rules would actually be if there'd be any exceptions in the rules. Like they might carve out an exception for flytying materials or something like that. Yeah, well, yeah. They'll carve out exceptions. Yeah. So they want to be that there's all this stuff is.

cool to use fur for unless it's like visibly fur. Yep. On a person's body. Like, you know, what the, the indigenous people that lived in Colorado traditionally wore, that would be illegal. Yeah. Now, if you want to run around like a dude rancher and a cowboy hat, you're a okay. Yeah, buckskin pants, like probably not.

Yeah, you know why? Because you threw the hair away. Right. It wouldn't be a fur product. So it is. Then you could sell that. it's you know it's just another another attempt to make our life more difficult dude that guy like that it's not just jared like jared polis termed out it's not even just him it's his husband right

who's like a big animal rights exactly exactly but these people are pointed by polis they've done they've gone kind of rogue on things before this is another example of that hopefully when polis terms out We'll get a new wildlife commission in there that is going to be friendlier to hunters and anglers and people like us. The timeline for this is next meeting is in May of 2026. So we'll know more in a couple months. And they'll have to vote and adopt, modify, or reject it. So we'll see what happened. What makes me mad is that think about what's not getting done that could be getting done.

Exactly. That would be positive for wildlife. This is not serious work. Instead, they got to be dealing with this BS. Yeah. Brody, am I right that the public can show up for this next meeting? It's May 4th or 5th. I don't have the exact date.

Just says May 26th in Grand Junction. So yeah, for any of those commission meetings, the public can always show up. Can I hit you with another added little deal here? Yeah. That's kind of like what makes us infuriating. Years ago, like many, many years ago, back in the mid-90s, I think, early 90s, late 90s. Colorado effectively banned trapping on public land. So you used to have like regulated trapping.

What they then did is like, what do you do about all the guys that have depredation issues? They have like problem, beavers, problem whatever. So they make the system by which a private landowner can go be like, hey, I got a beaver problem. Yep. Then they're like, oh, okay. Then it's no holds barred. No seasons. No equipment restrictions.

Whatever. Okay. Then you can go get them. Now they're saying, but you have to throw the hide in the, trash. Because currently, if someone has a beaver issue and they bring in a trapper to do it, the trapper can take the product and sell it. Yeah.

And it could be used for all manner of things, including cowboy heads. This is like, no, no, no, you got to throw it in the garbage. Yeah, it's crazy. You can't sell it. Yeah. But like, it's like that stuff like in, in, in, in Australia, they have all those like, uh, kangaroo depredation things. Mm-hmm.

And then, uh, then one day they go like, oh, I don't. also you got to leave it to rot. Yeah. If you get it, you got to leave it to rot. You can't touch it. Yep. And like I'd love to say this is just a bunch of bullshit and it's not going to go through. But man, these days you just don't know in Colorado what could happen.

Yeah. How could that place of like, well, I know how it happened. Yeah. How could have stayed like of such, I mean like John Denver, dude. Yep. John Denver. Yeah. biggest elk herd in the country.

I know. Someone said like it was like the minute, the minute more people lived in Fort Collins and Denver. And this. Then it did the rest of the state, boom. Yep. Like that's when, you know. Yeah.

Rocky Mountain. So normally in my beloved state of Colorado, I'm all about it. But this. Oh, dude. Listen, man. I love the place. Love the people. This is not about that.

Just about, you got to take your state back, dude. Yep. Yep. Lord. So we'll check back in and may and see what's going on with it. Maybe someday down the road instead of crazy left wing people, we'll be bitching about crazy right wing people running Colorado into the ground. I don't think so. Like it would go the way of Utah right now? Just whatever. Yeah, like it'll be like all of a sudden it's like, yeah, you get a state where, I don't know, it's just it's just the seesaw.

But I don't know if it'll ever swing. Yeah. It's the swing. The swing kills me. Yep. All right, Randall, you got some good news for us, Steve? A bit of good news, actually. This is great news. Yeah.

So the Commerce Department manages fisheries in federal waters. I guess it's something like three miles offshore or something like that. And they are poised to seed management authority to the states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida when it comes to Red Snapper. Um, they lose. Is this in your report? How did they lose management? Um,

well, I think, I mean, I think commerce and like Noah have managed these historically since like Magnus Stevenson. Yeah. Also way ago. Yeah.

But, and I think like, the reauthorization of Magnus Stevenson put, and I could be botching this, but I think it became like more rigid quotas and sort of season setting on, on harvest of red snapper. Um, And so what's going to happen, I guess under the federal system, the short version is that they're managing with like very broad strokes because they don't have the, the very detailed like recreational angler catch.

I mean, so much of marine fisheries just comes down to data. Yep. And so they would, these states would end up with a very short season, like only a day, two days, three days, something like that. Real small limits too. Yeah. And, and so essentially, the states want authority to. manage it with more data. They're going to take some elements of like the federal management structure and some of the information that is good on that side, but supplement it with sort of like

the equivalent of Creole surveys. A more fine-tuned picture of what's happening in the moment. Yeah. And the result of that is that we're going to have, we, the hunting and fishing community, they're going to have longer seasons. So like in Florida, I think they're talking about a 30, day season, the Carolinas are looking like at a 60 day season? Okay. Can I have a question? Were the feds like the feds were managing like

under the assumption that there wasn't a lot of them and we shouldn't be taking a lot of them and the states are like there's actually a lot more of these things than or is that not? No, I think it was more I think it was more that they just I mean they didn't really know

how many people were actually fishing for them. So like that's one of the changes. So the bigger context is that this is already happened in the Gulf. Yeah. Um, and so the South Atlantic states are sort of going to move to what's happening in the Gulf and that's been very successful. And part of the reason for that is that they're, they're, um, keeping track of who's

actually fishing for Snapper. So they're, they're, um, I don't know if you'd call it a permit, but, um, like endorsements for Snapper fishing. So they know, okay, all these guys that are buying saltwater licenses, this chunk of them are fishing for speckled trout. and they're targeting inshore species, and only this sliver of them are targeting red snapper and grouper and things like that. So essentially with more refined data,

they have a better sense of what the pressure on the resources. Yeah. And they, you know, in some states, I think Louisiana, like they, some of them do weekly email updates and phone calls to people with the

snapper endorsement. Some states, I think Alabama, Mississippi, like they actually know how much, many are being caught because there's only a certain number of boat launches that people will go out of to fish snapper. So it's it's taking like the big unwieldy federal, uh, marine fisheries apparatus and, and handing it to the state so that the states can get

better data and make better decisions, um, for the resource and for anglers. Cut your an anecdote. Please. I've fished, uh, I've fished a number of years recently, a number of years in a row spear fishing for red snapper and louise. And what's been surprising to me down there is like that adaptive management strategy, how fluid it is. Meaning when I was a kid growing up like in Michigan, you could spend your entire lifetime fishing under a management structure being that, you know, whatever. The season starts this day.

It ends this day. The bag limit is this many. The minimum weight, the minimum length is this. and decades go by. Right. And it's just how it is. Right. Right.

Fish in Louisiana, it's like constantly being adjusted as the Red Snapper season. And like Kobe, too. Be like, there's like a vest. There's a changing vessel limit. There's changing opening day and closing day. There's changing closed days. Mm-hmm. As you realize that they're looking at these data sets and they're like opening, closing,

opening, closing, and playing it like an instrument. It's like that in Washington, too, isn't it for a lot of stuff? Well, it could, I'm not saying it's not. It could be. That was an example of stuff to me. Like, man, this is not like, this is like very up to date, like what's going on and how are we like manipulating harvest. And I'm sure there's a hundred examples. And it's similar to what they do with salmon. I was going to say. Okay.

You know, like they, they have data and they're tracking pressure on the resource. But yeah, the, like the federal system is based on long term trends. and an absence of real, like, fine data. Mm-hmm. And so by giving it to the states, like, they're going to be intercepting people at boat launches and, like, keeping track of how many days this week did you fish? How many fish did you get? And so, um, I think everybody thinks it's a win-win. Uh, there's probably some objections from the, like, ocean conservancy crowd who'd rather see like a more, like, tightly regulated marine fishery. Yeah.

And like they just don't really want like an open access fishery. I mean, that's sort of the general, speaking very generally, that's sort of what that crowd would like. But, well, it's, it's the states. It's like, it's the states to pull it off or not. Yeah. I mean, you know, if they run, if they, if they, if they screw it up and they get too aggressive on harvest and they run them into the ground. Right. There's very low incentive to do that.

Because once you do that, you're going to wind up right back where you started. Yeah. And I mean, based on what I was told, I talked to a former colleague at TRCP this morning to just explain this all to me. Wow, man, Randall doing like actually. Oh, he's a good guy. I like to go in on the phone with him. Chris McEluso, good guy. And he was saying, like, man, what's happening in the Gulf is great.

It's great. And it's going to be a huge win for these states if this goes through. and I think most of the evidence points in the right direction here. So Florida, I think if this goes through Florida, would open Memorial Day weekend and they would have like a 39-day season and then maybe after that some weekends here and there. So CMAQ was telling me that with a one or two-day season, if the weather's not right, you know, people kind of want to go out there anyway.

And this way anglers can pick their days and sort of distributes the pressure more widely and yeah just a bit of bright news in the landscape of of Colorado fur bands and all this other junk thank you for sharing right yeah Spencer I'm going to circle back to the muskrat thing first this is from the Roman Catholic Church the the Lent season has been observed from the onset of the church although there have been inconsistencies with duration and practices it goes on to talk about how different church at different eras had different rules. And sometimes they had a fasting where you lived like a vegan.

Sometimes they had a version where you could have a snack after 3 p.m. Sometimes they had were only Sundays or when you could eat meat. So whatever was going on with this Detroit parish that had resorted to eaten hay, you'd imagine that their rules were that you couldn't eat meat for a certain amount of time, obviously a long period, but you could eat fish. So that's how that comes into play for them. I'm sure we already got 10 correction emails. Well, you know what I'm going to hit Randall with and get me a set of them boots?

He said hunters and anglers will see longer seasons. Did I say that? Or did I say we meaning the hunting and angling community? Maybe he said hunters who are anglers. Size 11. Maybe Randall can correct your correction. I've got news from the Hawkeye State. Listen up, Iwegens.

The Iowa DNR needs your help. They are seeking volunteers right now who will go listen for frog and toad calls this spring and summer. This is a survey they've been doing since 1991. Basically what happens is volunteers drive around tonight and they listen for amphibian vocalizations near wet areas. They then submit their findings via email to the DNR. And they ask that each volunteer spends about eight hours in total between April and July listening for frog and towed calls. These surveys take place in rural and urban areas, so don't think that if you live in Des Moines or Sioux City that you're of no help, that they would love you to volunteer. In 2025, volunteers surveyed 900 different wetlands.

The DNR said that they were thrilled with everyone's participation, but that there are three counties in 2026 that are most in need of volunteers. These three counties have not had a frog or towed survey in years. Come on. Those are Ida, Henry, and Wright. So if you're in Ida, Henry, or Wright County, you're exactly who they want. Load up the kids and get out. Your country needs you. Yeah.

They need an eBird app for amphibians. I imagine that has to, like, be something they could make tomorrow. A nice thing is. I bugged him about that when I was at Cornell, meeting with the people that developed the, the developed Merlin. I was like, you got put all kinds of stuff in there. Yeah. Yep. Nice thing about this, you could go do some night fishing while you're, I mean, I would, I would

It's something I would say as a joke, but I mean it very earnest this time. This would be a great date night. It would be, man. Get a bottle of wine. Drive responsively. Hey, baby, I'll sing. We go down on that big old swamp. Model of wine.

What's the bullfrogs? What's the bullfrog? Juggerum. Joggerum. It's a great filter for your potential girlfriend or whatever. Yeah. If she's willing to do that, all right? What a useful skill to have to just be able to, you know, that's a good life skill that

anybody could benefit from. I don't think it would be a first date. No, yeah, maybe not. A blind date. It would not be a good blind date. Yeah.

If you were dating like someone you kind of knew. Yeah. I don't know from the coffee shop. Mm-hmm. I can see that. Yeah. But a blind date. Yeah,

you don't want to go straight from the app to the frog survey. I know. Because you'd be like, no, no, no, here's what happens. Man, we're going to go way out in that swamp.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I guess that's a good point. And you close your eyes and listen. Eventually, this would become a euphemism. No one's going to go. We're going to go survey frogs tonight. Oh, yeah.

If my boy said he was going out to survey frogs, I'm like, no, you're not. That's like the hillbilly version of Netflix. Maybe. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind, and now got my own show. So if you're tired of lazy takes, if you want honest conversations, join us each week. Film Never Lies available on all TSN platforms in the IHeartRadio app.

Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26 presented by Maltry Mobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meat Eaters' biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love. The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bird. bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months.

Now there are 16 different frogs and toads you'll be listening for if you're in Iowa. To learn how to identify these calls, you attend a virtual or in-person workshop. Every workshop is currently full besides the last one that takes place on April 13th in Okabogi. And why this is relevant. How many species? 16. I would not have guessed that. 16.

I would just said half as many. Why it's relevant, a recent USGS study predicts that in 20 years, amphibians will be gone from half of the places where they currently live. So this is a cool opportunity to do some citizen science, help Iowa gather data on amphibians, which are really sensitive to habitat loss, invasive species, pollution. But I want to test you guys now. I want to see how well you can do without any training at all. I'm going to tell you. Hit me with the bullfrog. I'm going to play three of the most common frog and toad calls.

Not only in Iowa, but in North America, you guys are going to guess what they are. So Phil, play the first one for us. That's a frog. Got it. Spring peeper. Steve, if you know. Bring peeper. I'll tell you, there's a spring peeper in the background, but that's not the forward call that you're saying.

That's what I'll stop about. There he is. There are spring peepers. Like I said, that's not the, the, the, the, the, the, the, forward. I don't know that guy. A green frog. Yeah, I was like a green frog. No, green frog sounds like a banjo. No. Tree frog. No. Is it a toad? It is. It's an American toe. Got it. That was an American toe. Good job.

Here's how their call is described. High-pitched trill that lasts about 15 seconds. Sounds like a sharp, elongated cry. A picture of the damn frog. Phil. Come on. As described as sounding like the bleat of a sheep. Now we're going to play it again. You can watch it make the call this time. So you can see the American toad. Chris's on it Oh I remember those things I think I've stepped on those

In my mom's staircase In the spring when it would rain His throat looks like the nut jerky That that guy makes It looks a lot like that So that is the American toe Man that's one of those animals When you hear the sound

And you see the animal You don't put the two together No Not at all Let's go on number two Number two play it Phil Bullfrog. My old buddy.

Like to eat him. Yeah, you could find some good gigging spots taking this project too. That is an American bullfrog. Their call is described as a deep and loud call, a sequence that sounds like it's saying juggle rum, juggle rum.

Because you didn't get them really kicking ass on that little clip you had. It resembles the moo of cattle, which is why they're called bullfrogs. Show us the clip. Flip again, Phil. Oh, yeah. Oh, Mr. Yellow Throat. The man with the yellow throat.

They're cool. I used to catch those things with a fly. Yeah. That's a low-yield animal right there, man. Juggle rum. All right, you guys got one out of two. Let's see how you do number three. I think I'm about done, unfortunately.

Play it on me. Is that another? Who's a green frog? Not a green frog. Tree frog. No. Leopard frog? It is a leopard frog.

Specifically, Dude, I just threw the house's name it. Mark said it earlier. He got that in your head. Specifically, that's a northern leopard frog. Their call is described as a deep rattling snore that last two to three seconds, followed by a chuckling sound like a heavy creaking door slowly opening. Also sounds like two balloons being rubbed together. Dude, that's great.

Turn it again, Phil. Play it again, Phil. man, I should have got these right because my son, oh, sorry. Damn, Mark, we're watching lepersons. I was going to say, you can talk now. I think we got it. Yeah, come on, Spencer, he's up. My son's preschool had a frog night where they would take you out and we would review the sounds of all the frogs and then peruse this nature reserve that the school was on and try to identify and find the frogs by sound.

And cook them up. We didn't do that part. For more information, go to Iowa DNR.gov or just Google. the Iowa frog and toad survey. Hit me with the counties again where they need your help. Ida Henry and Wright. Ida Henry and Wright. Okay, grab your gigs.

This story is extra close to home for me because I own a frog and I, in an attempt to sex it, I played vocalizations in my house to see if it would call back because for frogs and toads, the vast, vast majority of calling that you hear is done by males. Females usually don't participate. And so I have sexed my frog as a female because it's never participated in my calling sequences. Didn't you end up with that thing like by mistake? Yes. My wife, this was two February 2, February 2024, bought a rubber tree at Lowe's that she brought home.

She was replanting it in our garage and out of the root came this frog. That was like, I'm not kidding you this big at the time. And so she called me panicked. I think I was at the office here. And she said, what do I do? I'm like, well, I could take care of it or we could keep it. Oh, yeah. And she elected to keep it.

And I've been a very good frog dad ever since. I could take care of it or I could take care of it. Have you figured out if it's an illegal species to have? No, it is a Pacific Chorus frog. Here is how I've determined that this frog came into our possession with no evidence at all. It's a Pacific chorus frog, also known as a Pacific tree frog. Their range stretches from like South Alaska to Northern California. California, but sort of the core of it, even a little bit, a little bit in very northwest Montana.

The core of their range is Oregon. Oregon is the number one producer of Christmas trees in the country. Lowe's sells a lot of Christmas trees. I think this frog came in on a Christmas tree, bailed from that Christmas tree, crawled into the rubber tree that my wife bought two months later, and that's how I got to our house. Man, if we could get that son bitch on the podcast. Oh, yeah. That'd be the best thing in the world. It's a happy little frog. Phil's got a video of it. This is my Pacific Chorus Frog that lives in my living room now. Oh, we can hear another podcast.

You're listening to something, though. Uh-huh. Uh, name is Sprout. It's, uh, it's great. It's a female. Back in the old days, I'd use him to try to catch a large mouth. Yeah. Great segment.

Yonnie Steel fingers, very quickly. Unbelievably good segment there. It was fun. This is the second episode in a row where the segment after me has received high praise. It's not us, it's you. I just want to point that out. Once it goes around the horn and everybody's gotten praise, except for me, that's when I'll take it to heart.

I'm reporting on a thing called seal finger. The state of Alaska section of epidemiology defines it as a finger infection associated with bites, cuts, or scratches contaminated by the mouth's blood or blubber of certain marine mammals. The reason we're talking about it is because last fall, a young man that was skinning an Alaska brown bear contracted it. Not something new. It's been around for a long time, but I think it's been misdiagnosed.

They didn't know a lot about it until just over like the last 10 to 15 years. Back in the day, seal hunters, coastal fishermen, everybody was extremely scared of it because the way to get rid of seal finger really yeah like it's coming for you it's coming for you like you're just going to end up like it's going to be stiff and plump for a while and eventually they're going to say cut it off it's going to spread it's like gang green man that does not look good yeah oh that's right here we go we got some pictures of it you know what i keep thinking about is when we were at your shack last year and heather brought them yep like man hand on those oh yeah

Gotcha. It's problematic because it's, when you first get it, it just, this is, I think, these are, the pictures are showing cases that have gone on for a while and become more extreme versions of the symptoms. Because in the beginning, it's going to be a scratch that has some inflammation, basically, right? Or a cut with some inflammation. And so you go to the doctor and they're like, okay, here's some antibiotics, topical or whatever. everything that I read about people that got messed up about it was just this. They would leave and then 10 days later

be like, oh my God. The young man that got it from the bear, he actually came back. I can't remember it was two weeks or he had a bunch of trips to the hospital, but at one point has like a fever and like an increased heart rate from it.

It can basically get into your bones and start like making like this like very rapid arthritis come about. So the antibiotic that does antibiotic that does do it is doxycycline. So the most common people that actually get it now are people that like scuba divers, people that work in zoos that mess with marine animals that could get bitten or whatever. And if that happens, say at a zoo, I forget what you do it was, but they basically said if you get bit there, you get handed a letter. So when you go to the hospital, they know how to deal. with it and be like don't give them the regular antibiotics because they ain't going to do nothing.

Like you need to make sure you're giving these antibiotics. You ever see that thing I got my wallet? I got a question for you. After Steve asked this important question. It's like a magic trick or what? No, man. It's like this card. Oh.

You keep it your wallet by your ID. They gave it to me at at at Cornell. And it says like, hey, heads up, man. This guy's into all kinds of weird stuff. Oh. You're like a high risk individual? Yeah, man. Wow.

It's like if you fiddle around hunting and stuff all the time or whatever or doing like what you're talking about, it says take note, check him for all the weird stuff. Well, you probably have. They gave that to you. Yeah. How do we get our hands on those? You probably have instances where had you had this card previously, it would have helped, right? I've had to go in and tell a guy I had a thing and he had never heard of it and he wrote it down and left the room for a while. Whoa.

Yonis. Yeah. The bear. Do they think that it's always been in bears or bears pick it up for meat and rotten seals? The latter. Yeah. Oh, he's getting it from a mer-coastal brown bears scavenging, you know, hard to say exactly. The hunter did say that his knife had come in contact with the bear's mouth and teeth prior to him getting the cut.

But again, I mean, he skinned the entire animal, so it's hard to say exactly where, what, how. What's interesting about this ailment and things like tick-borne infections is the delay, right? It's long enough where oftentimes people will not put it together. No, I don't think there's a delay. You said this could be 10 days. Well, I think that you're getting symptoms immediately. Oh, you do. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Like you're getting the pain and the swelling. It's quick. But it's going to start doing worse things as it goes. Yeah, but it could probably be mistaken for just like, oh, it's just a little scratch that. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then it gets problematic because it's been misdiagnosed or the wrong antibiotics been given to it. Now, I called Heather DeVille, who lives in a marine environment, talks to a lot of people that, you know, mess around with these animals. She herself, I think last year killed like 125 sea otters.

she has not like doesn't know anybody has no first or secondhand experience and when she went around and asked a few people about it they were like never heard of it Oh, okay So it doesn't sound like it's very common That's why they're listening now

Yeah, that's why you come here to get the relevant news Yeah You know, state of Alaska recommends wearing nitrile gloves and maybe even cup-proof gloves if you're going to be, you know, dealing with, you know, seals, sea lions otters, that sort of thing.

But, yeah, because like you said, you'd mess around with a bunch of crazy stuff. There's chances that you couldn't end up with some crazy things. Speaking that, it's not common. Great job, Yanni. Speaking of messing with stuff, are you okay if I read this to the, to the audience? No, we're low on time. Did you get it before or after COVID? That card.

After or before? I don't know. I think it'd be better if it's a punch card like at a coffee shop. So when you get all that weird shit, they just, that's pretty good. Okay, I was going to do a big report on a record-setting cat prices, but in the interest of time, I'm not going to. However, if you happen to be catching yourself near, you know, messing around on YouTube, I invite you to go watch our video called Steve and Seth get rich off Bobcats. In there, we go to a bobcat sale. At that sale, we cover what we got for some cats and what my buddy Mercer got from some cats.

So what we didn't mention in there is that the top cat at that auction went for $2,800. Then the next auction a week later, in Idaho, a cat went for, drum roll, please. Oh, I wasn't ready for this. Just play that toad noise again. 3,500 bucks. On to Mark Kenyon. All right. I've got two pieces of news in the interest of time.

I'll try to keep it pretty brief. But a little bit of controversy in the internet related to. some comments from our Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergam, at a Black Rock summit about infrastructure. He answered a question and insinuated in this response that those who are concerned about protecting our public lands and worried about resource extraction on them, that they are not financially literate. Oh, that's the problem. Yeah. So if I just read up more on economics, I would be much happier

to see us run out of wild places and clean water. It's just that I'm dumb about the money. Exactly. That's that's what folks have been a little bit unhappy about that one. But I think it's great that he brought this up because it gives us a very, very good excuse to talk

about the incredible financial implications of outdoor recreation and conservation of our public lands. A report just came out last week that showed that the outdoor recreation economy is now driving a record $1.3 trillion of economic impact. 1.3 trillion dollars of economic impact. Much of that obviously depends on federal public lands.

Did you see me get uncomfortable for a minute? I did, but let me know when you're ready. Hear me out. And that was $128 billion a year directly tied to outdoor recreation on federal public lands alone. That's $315 million of economic impact a day from the ripple effects, the trickle-out effect of outdoor recreation of all types on these places. That's a great question. I'm not good at that in math. So if you look at that, compared to the other ways that we make money or that there's economic impact from our public lands, it's interesting.

Obviously, resource extraction on our multiple use public lands is important. There's strong value there like the Secretary was speaking about. But if you look at the GDP contribution of outdoor recreation, 2.4% of the entire US GDP tied to outdoor recreation. That is more than double gas and oil. That's more than mining. Mining's contribution is 1.5%. Oil and gas, a 0.9%. contribution to the entire GDP of the United States.

So very, very high. But if we drilled more on those public lands, we can make that number go up. That's why, that's why. Well, I don't like, I appreciate what you're saying. But if someone came to me and said, hey, I did some math, your kids are actually costing you money. Well, I would be like, well, get them sons of bitches out of here. It's like some things are bigger than that. So I understand when people do it.

But if you came to me and said, oh, you know, we ran the numbers. public lands, clean air, clean water, all that stuff is costly. I'd be like, cool. I don't care. Yep. So it's like,

I get it, but I also, you know what I mean? I don't want to like engage. I don't, I don't necessarily feel like engaging in the financial conversation of it, because if someone proved the opposite, it wouldn't change my opinion.

So I feel like it's disingenuous to act like that's why I'm interested in wilderness. Well, I think the key is that you bring that is just one part of the conversation. Sure. Like, hey, here's this. And then there's also, what about the ecosystem services of those landscapes? Like what they are providing. I should have found this, but there is some data. They've been trying to actually quantify what the economic value is that clean air provides.

Like, if we had to filter the air, the equivalent that our trees do, or if we had to clean water instead of, you know, the forest filtering through that or whatever might be, what would that cost us to replace that with technology? Yeah. It's insane. And it has to be a part of the rebuttal to someone saying, you're financially illiterate. Yeah, it has to be that because those people aren't interested in the social value of those lines. I understand. I understand. I understand.

I'm just sharing privately here. I'm with you. I'm 100% with you. I'm sharing privately why that makes me nervous. So I hate to do this, too, but we've got to talk money one more time. Please. This is a little bit of, and you can look at this as bad news, like some of the other things we've talked about. about or good, depends on I guess if you're glass half full or half empty guy.

But there is a situation, a threat slash opportunity in Central North Carolina that is worth getting on people's radar. There is a reservoir on the Yadkin River. It's called the Tucker Town Reservoir. And on either side of that reservoir, there has historically been a bunch of public land lands open to the public to hunting fish. These have been privately owned lands by Elkoa. and they leased that to the North Carolina

Fish and Wildlife Service to keep that open to the public. Recently, they've decided they can no longer do that. They are selling these lands, putting them on the open market, and going to be putting them up for sale. So right now that's 4,000 acres of historically open to the public hunting and fishing land that could potentially be sold off and be taken out of public access. That's the half empty part.

That's the half empty part. The half full part is that there has been a. really strong push by local land trust and a number of other partners now looking to try to build a campaign of interest, not just in North Carolina, but across the country to buy these lands and then donate them to the state to be public land officially and in perpetuity. And so starting to get some interest and some steam, you can go to trlt.org or just Google, save Tuckertown. Tuckertown is the campaign kind of name around this. It's very interesting. I think there's a great opportunity here for the public to jump in and make a difference here. And I can tease for you that we, meat eater, and our partners, Anex, are brainstorming and spitballing and working on a way to help out as well. So stay tuned on that front. But I'm looking at this as a glass half full because I think we can make a difference. I bet you there's a few turkeys.

Oh, yeah. This year, there's turkeys. There's bass. God, I hope there was no church right there. I mean, not real close. I've talked to these, I've talked to the Three Rivers Land Trust before. And it's just, it sounds like a really great group. And they have a huge hunting program, like a hunting access program through private landowners. And so, yeah, like, I'm glad that we're getting behind it because I know that they, uh, they follow our stuff and, and they're working for hunters and anglers. Yeah.

So it's a good one. We'll have more on that on our front here soon. But, uh, in the meantime, check it out, donate. It's good cause. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Kenyon. Thanks for coming by, Mark. Hell of a segment. Sorry, Rand.

I mean, I've lost my fastball. Guys, fast, thorough. Wonderful segment. You got any tips for Randall before we go? Go later in the show. I think a little more polished too, I think. I think it might be a sequencing thing. Did you like Yonis?

Yeah, great job. And the fur band too? I could have seen, I could have used a little more passion. Well, I got delayed so long than I lost my passion. Yeah. Little table beating my little table beating my. I took notes. I took notes on everybody else.

So maybe next, maybe next week. Randall has notes. They're like, passion. Yeah. Table beating. Go later. I mean, I can't. argue with any of that.

Shake your fist here. Let's, don't change anything. Just try going later once and see if you get. Yeah. We just tune the variables to figure out what the special sauce is. Because if you go later and no one says anything, then we're like, it wasn't that. I just can't wait for the angry DMs on Instagram this week. Tell me to just disappear.

And I'll make sure you're like, you know what could be good too. Were you, were you more assigned these or did you more bring these? He didn't pick his passion topic. Like I didn't. Randall hasn't jumped in with like, you know, like, I want that one. See, Spencer over here. You seem to come up with your own news.

I've been distracted. I'm doing the herpetology department over here. That's your beat. Yeah, Spencer's kind of like, he's bringing his own news. Yeah. I'm not reporting on stuff I didn't. I'm reporting on my own news. Maybe I'll do that.

Stuff that catches my eye. Or we just keep giving Randall duds that you don't like him. I thought Neanderthals was going to be great. I thought that would kill. You know? I mean, especially when you had an AI image of your as the Neanderthal. Yeah.

Because if you, I know, but it was too quick. I wasn't paying attention. If it was later when I started waking up, I'd been like, that's a hell of a segment, Randall. I need to aim for like the 1145, 1230 taping slot. Yeah, we'll take Steve's blood levels and measure the peaks and valleys. It'd be good. Another reminder, check out Kimmy's book.

I was just flipping through it. There's a lot of, also, venison and red meat recipes in here. It's not only seafood. Not that you said it was. I know, but yeah, I was, yeah. Okay, good job. But there's a lot of good stuff in here. He nailed another second.

I'm going to get one. It's getting greedy. Yeah, once again, let me see that book. Let's just finish big. Let's finish big on Kimmy's book. Once again, Kimmy's Kitchen. An Ocean Woman's Guide to Wild Home Cooking by Kimmy Werner. Kimmy's Kitchen, a cookbook.

Go buy it. Check her out. When you flew out the window. Welcome to the sunset, I thought I would never stop screaming. I thought or stopped screaming some more. Welcome to Meat Eaters 12 and 26, presented by Moultry Mobile and OnX Maps. 12 of Meat Eaters' biggest and baddest hunts from the last year released throughout 2026. These are long-form episodes so you get more of what you love.

The first one up is my baited bear hunt in Manitoba. If you've ever wondered what a baited bear hunt is like, you'll love this episode. My favorite part was watching a younger bear spend an hour trying to figure out how to get a creatively hung beaver carcass down from a tree. Check it out now on Meat Eaters YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.