The MeatEater Podcast - Ep. 857: Turkey Season Changes, the Death Valley Super Bloom, and Bad Poachers

Episode Date: April 2, 2026

Steven Rinella and the MeatEater crew discuss: The Turkey Week Giveaway Sweepstakes; a giant moray eel; biking and fly fishing; Delta Waterfowl hen houses; more on TSS and tungsten; nibbling on nuts; turkey season changes; the Death Valley Super Bloom; bad poacher dudes; Shiras moose; and more. Outro credit: "The Screaming Song" written by George Alan Sparhawk Connect with Steve and The MeatEater Podcast Network Steve on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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From now until Sunday, you get double entries for every $25 spent. That's 20 entries for every $25 spent at the meat eater store. check it out now through April 5th at store. dot the meat eater.com welcome to the news show on this week's show. We got an interesting tale about a big assed more a eel. Spencer Newhart can't ride a bike and fish at the same time. Testicle jerky news.

Are Shyrus Moose going away, but not in the way you think? Poachers get serious in North Dakota and Max get serious about reporting on those poachers. Spencer Newhart stops to tell the flowers. Get it? We'll see if we get it. Nate Mason has a report on TSS and more, but first,

the Moray eel. Let's hear it. Okay. This is the our news. Listen to this. We were down in the... We went to the Bahamas for spring break. Folks will watch the show.

We filmed the episode some time ago. with Cameron Kirk Connell. And Cameron Kirk Connell, if you're such a listener that you listen to our close calls story, stories, the close call series, there's a close calls where a guy, a spear fisherman shoots another spear fisherman in the fin who's passed out. He's blacked out, shallow water blackout, and he's sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Cameron Kirkconnell is able to get close enough to him. He's on his way up, and he sees his buddy, he's sinking, dying. And he shoots him in the fin with a spear gun. And then they were able to hoist them up and they resuscitated him and save his life.

We're with him and his family. My family, his family, in the Bahamas spear fishing. And we were primarily hole hunting. Like you go down there, you just kind of go over the reefs. You kick or drift in the current over the reefs. And now and then you'll catch a hogfish out doing this business. But you spook a lot of groupers. And when you spook a grouper, you just follow them.

And that grouper is going to move and move. And he'll go into a hole, but he won't like it. And he'll leave the hole. He'll try another hole. He'll go into a hole. And the little grouper will come out of the hole. Then he'll come out of the hole. And eventually you follow him, follow and follow him.

And he'll find a hole. And he'll hold up. And you hover over the hole until you're like, he's in that hole. And then you start hole hunting them. And it could turn into, chasing them into a hole is one thing. Killing them is a whole other thing. then getting them back out of the holes, a whole other thing.

So it turns into like a real, it could turn into a real fist fight. So my kid goes down, we get a big black grouper in a hole. My kid goes down and, it was a 30 pound grouper. My kid goes down and like glances it in the head but doesn't,

like wings it in the head, but doesn't even hurt it. Cam's kid goes down and gets it the tail. It's fighting around and all of a sudden, and I go down to try to get it out, but the spear shaft has pulled free of the grouper's tail.

The grouper comes out of that hole and goes into a new hole. Cam's down on this flashlight, trying to look around and find them in this new, it's like, some of these things are like Torah Bora. I don't know if you remember back to the war in Afghanistan. They're like the Toro Bora Cave Complex.

You're appreciating. Oh, yeah. Nate Mason's appreciating. Oh, joined today by Max Bar. to Nate Mason, Crinch Snyder's here, Spencer Newharty Henderson. So,

he's down looking around with his light. And I see, he's like looking into one hole and it's this Torobora complex and some of these holes have chimneys in them. And you can sometimes

you get them into a hole and you'll sometimes peer into a chimney and locate him. He's got his head and he's chew his waist in a hole looking around. It's 30 feet of water. So I'm on the surface.

And I see him. Moray eel, the likes of which I mean, like this eel just keeps coming and coming and coming and he because he knows the troubles are brewing. They're like sharks. Like he knows. A big one

though. Yeah. He knows what's up. How big you think? How big? Probably six feet long. Big around as your big around is your thigh. I mean like enough of a one. He comes and all of a sudden he enters the same, not the

same entrance that cams in, but another entrance to the same hole. My boy dives down to alert him because they'll bite you. And as my boy is descending to alert him, Cam's coming up, but I can tell by his body language, he doesn't know, he didn't encounter the eel. He's coming up casually. Okay. He comes up casually like, oh my God, dude, I thought you were going to get bit in the face. That big eel went into the cave.

complex. He haven't, I don't know, I'm just hanging around. Like I don't, you know, this guy's the master. He's, you know,

one of the, like, this is, it's going to sound like, like, he's among the top handful of spear fishermen that there are. Okay.

So he's like, oh, he's in the hole. And he says, that groupers coming out. And we're just hovering there. And a while later, here comes to crap.

out of that hole. It doesn't like being in that hole. And my boy goes down and gets the crab. And we wait a while and wait a while. And sure enough that here comes that group are out, substantially more wounded. Like, was getting mauled. Was getting mauled in the hole by the eel.

And he's not in a good place anymore. So that thing was just down there taking chunks out of him. You know what we, molded him in that hole? So then we went down and shot. Then we went and shot the grouper for real. Then he went to another hole. Wow.

And then I was able to rassel him out of that hole. But he was not. Cam, just Cam said just like instantly, he's like, oh, he's coming out. You know how you got like bird dogs? Yeah. You need like grouper eels. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah. That's a good idea. If you had an eel in your pocket and that grouper goes into that network and you just sick him, boy. Yeah. You can't. Can you, uh, Spear and Moray eel? I've seen them with people.

I've talked to people that have done it. You got your hands full when you do that. I've been told. I can't even imagine what would be like to have. Cam said in an extreme situation, because Bahamas is pole spear only. You can't use a spear gun. So it's all pole spears, but they have slip tips on them,

like a harpoon head, a detachable head. He said if you had to, and you were protecting yourself, you might, but you're probably just going to forget about your spear. Like you're not going to get it. And this thing, I mean, no. I've been bit by those suckers. They hurt, man.

How'd the grouper taste? You know, I didn't eat that particular grouper, but I think Brody did. It was excellent. Did you eat a group of flay that was kind of missing a chunk on the tail? Yeah. Yeah, the mauled end. And you could see where it was messed up a little bit. Yeah.

You enjoyed it. Oh, yes. Okay. That thing had the like dark cutter equivalent end of life. I don't think that works on fish, man. Wildly stressed. Yeah, because all fish die, like stressed out. Yeah, that works on fish.

Really, rod and real them or not. Sure. But he had a, yeah, he had a good, we, we messed with that fish for probably 45 minutes. Damn, what an adventure. Though they turned in some wrestling matches, man. All right, you did a bicycle trip, Spencer. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've been, I've been working on planning this for like a month, just getting my,

my gear ready for it. I was going to bike and flyfish at the same time. The fly fishing was no good though. I was in Yellowstone National Park this time of year. 95% of their water is closed to angling. Why is that? Spawning purposes or not? I think to protect some native spawners. Just to like in general give fish a break down there. I don't think it's uncommon even in like Montana on non-national park. What is there? Is there like an opening day or something?

There is an opening day. Yep. That comes around in men. I think for most of the water, but other parts have different openers. Anyway, it's only 5% of water is open right now. So I was going to bike into there, as well as like probably 80% of their roads are closed as well. Yeah. Did Mrs. Newhart come with you? No, no. Solo.

Me and a buddy from town here. Hmm. It was fixing to bike and fly. It's weird. I never got a. You don't like you all start. Yeah. That's true.

I would say no. I like to be able to say no. I like to be able to say no. Steve and take his e-bike. Next time. I like to be able to say no. So I biked in, started fishing. The fishing was no good.

Runoff is started a little early this year. Really? And that's like 5% of water that I could fish. It was just too dirty. Too turbid. Couldn't turn up any fish. Had one off. So when you pitched this segment, I think Brody pitched on your behalf.

Well. It was in anticipation of all the fish you were going to catch. Oh, yeah, man. It was going to be good. I was going to get so. It was going to be lights down. Yeah. I was going to be so distracted with fishing that it was just going to be a fishing trip.

It wasn't going to be a bike trip anymore. The other thing happened. The fishing was so bad that it was just a bike trip. So I ended up biking 48 miles in Yellowstone this weekend. Okay. I probably spent four hours fishing with no fish caught. Not a nibble. There was a nibble.

I had a trout offer at a streamer. Had him on for probably one and a half seconds that he was gone. Long distance release. Long distance release. Yeah. Couldn't even identify. Did you see anything crazy? Crazy.

no, bice. I mean, what you'd expect to see in Yellowstone. No dead, no dead critters laying in rivers with bears on top of them. No, I was ready for bears, though. They had bears show up earlier this year, five days sooner. My neighbor just had one in his garbage. Couldn't believe it. Really? No. All right. Bison, elk, coyote, muskrat, just some standard yellowstone. Saw some scraps, did you? One, one. We got a good view of him because I was on a bridge looking down. I never seen them do this before. But at one point, he spent probably like 30 seconds. He just, gave himself to the current and floated down the current and he looked like he was totally careless

and then he dove under after that. I heard the river the trap and it's real good in national parks. Oh yeah, no, we get it hard, dude. We do great. I bet you do okay. Can we have a story coming up on something about that? Oh, we stack them up down there, man.

It's weird because no one else hits it. It's a good season. We can never figure out what's going on, you know? Yeah, the season of the closure. You always feel like you're doing something wrong. Yeah. All right, Spencer, tell us about the hunt giveaway, man. Is that your job?

Or is that my job? You do that one. Oh, okay. And I'll cover the next one. Oh, that's right. All right now, Turkey Week. Turkey Week is on now at the meat eater's store. So I'll help you get ready this spring.

We've rounded up some of our favorite gear for chasing goblers. Whether you chase them Miriams or them hard gobbling Easterns. I heard one ripped the other day from my house. And Easter. Yeah, I told you they were going. And then we had bad weather and they just look sad. And like there's nothing worse looking than a wet, sorry looking. You know, before anyone gets excited about coming and hunting by my house, I'll save you the hassle.

It's not a hunting area. Yeah. But it does get town, it gets like town birds. Yeah. Town bears too. Yeah, it gets town bears, town birds. Anyways, I'm out there. Nice, perfectly nice morning.

And up the hill. Up the hill there. Mm-hmm. And I call my neighbor. I'm like, sons of bitches are gobbling early. Did you call back to that bird at all? No. I ran into call my neighbor.

I don't know why. I'm like, they're gobbling early. Damn it. He's like, we got to go quicker. And then it was snowed. Yep. And then I'm like, this is going to knock the gobble right out of them. There's a good amount of birds up there.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was I saying? Oh, Turkey Week. We've got brand new meat eater logo wear and seasonings. Turkey calls from Phelps game calls. I'm holding them. The prime cuts pack.

right here, signature yani. So it's clay. From top to bottom, it's Steve signature cut, which isn't in there because mine's right here. The yoni and the clay. So from bottom to top, it's best caller, second best caller,

worst caller. Right? That's the way to think about it. But think about it like this. My cut is meant for dudes who just want to make good turkey sounds. And they're not like going to be at a competition. Because it's just an easy,

low pressure cut. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It's a low pressure cut. Did they stop making the Jake break? I don't know if they still, that was a low, that's a low pressure cut too. It's like, it's like easy. It's easy.

My cut makes it easy to be not, to be a novice diaphragm collar and get where you're making some sounds because you don't have to have so much, ugh. And you don't have, it's just an easy to use call. Phil Robertson always said that a live mallard would not win a duck calling contest. Sure. He's not looking to win a turkey calling contest. No, I kill a lot of turkeys, but I would never win a turkey calling contest. Sure.

But I think of the calling as being like a part of a whole bunch of other parts. I want to ask to try it out, but I know where it's been. Yep. Where was I? Camel from First Light Decoys from Dave Smith, Decoy's Pax and Except. from FHGF geared a whole lot more, up to 20% off right now, okay? Also, First Light has the ultimate

spring turkey giveaway going on. It's worth over 13,000 bucks. From now until Sunday, April 5th. Is that Easter? It is. It's like early this year, isn't it? Very early. Okay.

You get double entries for every $25 spent. So 20 entries for every Does that make sense? You get double entries for every 20. It was 10 per. Now it's 20 per. Oh. You get a whole bunch of entries when you buy some.

Yeah. And part of the turkey hunt giveaway is you win a hunt. So you can win a hunt and all the gear to go hunting at this deal. Check it out now through April 5th at store. Dot the meat eater.com. Or do you, Spencer? There's another giveaway on the meat eater.com. This is a photo content.

regarding uncommon turkey colors. The article is called Odd Turkey Plumage Photo Contest where you can enter a picture of the rare turkeys that you've seen or killed. This is supporting the work that Dr. Mike Chamberlain is doing with the Wild Turkey Lab to do research on wild turkey DNA, genetic diversity, imbreeding potential gene flow and hybridization. The Wild Turkey Lab wants you to send genetic samples

of your turkey's tongue, but our turkey plumage contest is just for photos. You can go enter them on our website, and there are only two entries so far. You have until April 6 to enter the contest. Pretty good odds right now. There's three top prizes. Because you've got to shoot a weird colored turkey.

Or C1. Or C1. And there's three prizes we're giving away all sorts of really good gear. So if you have a photo of a cool turkey you've killed or seen, you should go enter it. Now, if I was entering it, here's what I would submit. This was a turkey I saw in 2014. I was leaving work, heading to class, and this was at a go-cart track that this turkey was hanging around.

Kind of a domestic-y vibe to it. Well, this area has some colonies that are known for their large turkey populations. So this could have been one that had, like, crossed with a domestic. What do you mean? Colonies. Like a hudorite colony. They raise a lot of domestic turkeys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So guys will talk about if you want to kill a smoke-faced turkeys. turkey. You go hunting you the colony. This is a good question for Chamberlain. When I, people are always sending me these. I've so far two people this spring have sent me the, the smoke turkey, smoke phase. It's the most common of the uncommon plumage. What I see when I'm seeing that, and I'm open to corrections, and you might win yourself a prize. What I see when I'm seeing that is domestic introgression.

Sure. There he goes again. Whatever you say, Steve. Spencer, it hit me last night. when you're telling Spencer stuff, he'll sometimes say sure. And I was like, there's something about it. And Brody says it's the same thing as going, whatever you say, buddy. I'm just trying to be a good active listener, tell you that I'm here.

And I was like, that's it. Brody hit it. It's whatever you say. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Whatever you say. Sometimes it's honest.

Sometimes it's like, whatever you say, buddy. So go answer that. contest the meat eater.com show Steve all of your smoke face turkeys. Yep. And I'll say to you yeah, looks like domestic intro aggression. But there's got to be something to it and I'm sure,

we'll ask Chamberlain. We'll ask Mike Chamberlain if we need to. Max came to me the other day and said hey, well first off we have a pond. Our office has a pond. You have a couple ponds. Yeah. We're on a little, it's like a, I don't even call it like a business park.

Yeah, we're like in a campus. there's a there's a little ditch that comes through it and there's a couple dredged out ponds and Brody estimates the trout population at four to five Not many brodie believes there to be four to five trout and one muskrat is in our pond last night there's two geese in it Mm hmm we should start tagging I saw a dead raccoon floating on that north pond Yes. Yeah, okay there's dead coon in there's two geese there's a pair of mallards It sounds like a bonafide farm pond. It is there's no garbage because we cleaned it out last year. There's a new piece of garbage. I was looking at first I thought it was something floating dead and I realized it's new garbage.

We got to do a new cleanup because there's new garbage in the pond. It keeps moving back and forth from side to side. Max said, hey, who do I got to ask to put a nesting box on the pond? And I said, I don't know, but yes.

So talk about that, Max. Yeah, so we're trying to raise some ducks this year, this spring. Delta waterfall. came up with these houses. They're called hen houses where it's just a wire cylinder basically on a pole over the water.

And the reason why they came up with these... That's a T-post, right? Yeah. Okay. And the reason why they came up with these was due to habitat change and predator increases, nest success dropped. And so they thought, oh, why don't we put something above the water that these nest predators can't get to?

And so they came up with this henhouse back in like the 1990s. I think they've been around for like 35 years. That's that old of design. Yeah. Because you do have to be like a crack commando raccoon to get yourself up that team post. I mean, it would be like, it would be like a squirrel climbing up a bird feeder almost. But it's like a really skinny pole. Yeah.

In water. Yeah, in water. And so these were designed specifically for mallards. Is that right? Yeah. What makes them that way? I guess. I don't have an answer for that.

But it fits what they like. Yeah. So, like, people think that Mallard's nest, like, or ducks nest in water, but they actually nest away from the water. And then they hatch their ducklings and walk to the water. But these hen houses put them right over the water. So those ducklings, the first thing they do, they're right in the water. They don't have no traveling to do. No predators can get them.

And so I think I researched some. some stats here and 60% higher in a hen house than just a regular old nest. Survivability, you mean. Yeah, successful nest. So yeah, a hen can start using one of these and have a 12 times better odds rather than nesting in just the ground. No good. Has anyone been poking around back there?

I look every single morning. What are the odds you think a blackbird just makes a nest in there instead? That's a great question. I hope it doesn't. I'll shoot it out of there. I haven't seen any redwing blackbirds down there. I've seen Canada geese nested an elevated platform. Yeah.

Oh, they have something phone poles. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, this is just like a wire cylinder. And so like it's a perfect size for a duck to get in there. And that's it.

So she's got to fill it up with nesting material. No, no. It's already full. Yeah. It's already filled with straw, um, grass.

And, um, that's another thing too. Mallards don't bring any kind of nest material to their nest. Mm. Oh, are you serious? Yeah.

So like a robin or like a bald eagle, they'll go around collecting sticks and like build a nest. A mallard will just like sit there and like peck around and like. Yeah, I guess like not because I was saying I stumble into him hunting morels. Yeah. I never thought about that. Yeah. They're not supplementing it. No.

It's just in a little dish in the leaves. Yep. So. Yeah, I'm hoping we can raise a, um, some, um, some ducklings and it'd be great. If that happens. The first thing we'll see is we'll see a duck sitting on top of that thing.

In it. I'm thinking we'll see one standing on it. That's going to be, in my mind, the day it happens is going to be someone's going to see one standing on it. Yeah. I don't know why. Just in my little mind movie. That's what happens.

We should set up a trail cam. Well, no, I've, well, we could do that. But if a head mallard nest in there, I'm going to be sitting there with the camera for a couple hours each day and just wait. for those ducklings to come out of there. Because I think it would be just an epic shot of ducklings just popping out. Yeah, well, you could push them out, you know. He could do that.

Swim out there and give that thing shake. Do you envision a local or a migrator? Probably a local for sure. Okay. Yeah, there's like a group. I mean, I wouldn't say a group, but there's probably like five to six pairs on our ponds right now. And so I'm hoping one of those hops in there. So.

That's great. Yeah. I can't wait. Steve's got to be. Making more ducks, Max. That's great. Yeah. Yeah, and people can look at Deltawaterfall.org to find out more about these henhouses.

And there's different programs where you can donate some money and actually, like, get hen houses. See, that's all I was telling you. I want a couple. I know just where I'm going to put mine. Well, I know a guy. Yeah. My buddy, Garrett Humphrey, who helps out with the local chapter here in Bozeman, he's got a pile of them. Yep, I'd like to do that.

Yeah. We'll get you some. We'll get you on. All right, everybody, if you're getting fired up for spring turkey season, you're going to want to hear this. Man, I'm telling you I'm fired up. Well, anyway, right now we're running the ultimate spring turkey giveaway, and it's packed with over $13,000 in prizes,

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So you got all day that day. But it ends right before midnight. Gobble, gobble, gobble. Okay, it's time for corrections. Oh. Corrections. Corrections. Okay.

Corrections today. The winner of today's corrections wins a set of Tocobo's boots. I'm holding one up right here. But you can pick whatever ones you want. These may be miss Sestbent out on paternity leave. What size are those? 10 and a half. 10 and a half?

No, I was just guessing. Seth's been out on paternity leave, but he wears a square toe. Every time I touch this, I feel like I'm touching Seth's foot. You can pick what you want. I'm telling you what, though, dude. Just the leather. smells like brand new leather go pick out and eat to co-of as you want

if you win the corrections now we had to do something a little bit different so oh Nate Mason's here Nate Mason came up with this joke a little late but he came up with it better like never shit kickers for knit pickers Oh it's great

Perfect I love it Most genius thing I'd heard all week Shit kickers for nitpickers But here's the deal So many corrections came in about TSS Brody's Did you do TSS report a lot of people fired up about TSS

and don't worry because we're going to talk a lot about TSS today in the news segment here so we're going to do a quick showdown in order to win the boots there's three corrections but we're doing like a deal this week we got to do a competition to enter the competition so very quickly three TSS the winner of this goes to the finals

no March Madness like golf no it's like March Madness I'm telling you what this next round here, this first TSS round of corrections, these are some nitpickers, man. Okay, shit kickers for nitpickers.

Okay, so, for a spot in the finals, TSS correction 1, my name is Ian. And I'm, where's my glass? And I'm from upstate New York. While listening to episode 853, and you were talking about TSS

ammo, and we're not totally sure on when they were introduced. And again, a clarification, an omission, a, that's corrections. Sure. He says, 2018, federal premium became the first large manufacturer to produce TSS. Great, 2018. Thank you. TSS2.

Slight correction to the claim, I believe was Brody's claim, that tungsten is very heat resistant. well he goes out the corrector says tungsten is actually the most heat-resistant pure metal which is also very yes no no he should have said very very it is a huge difference if i it can be the most and barry let's say i'm friends with the tallest man on earth and he comes in and i go this is my buddy he's very tall he's very tall right and someone's like well he's the tallest man on earth i think they're the same it's just no it's different

i would say here's my buddy he's the tallest man on earth okay it's just different there are a lot more men than there are kinds of metal okay the melting point is six the melting forget this just close your eyes and picture this the melting point is six thousand 192 Fahrenheit 700 degrees higher

than tantalum. What's the temperature of the sun? A lot. I'd go so far to say it's the hottest thing. 10,000 degrees. Tantitone. It wouldn't survive the sun.

That's why it's used as an electrode when TIG welding, which was introduced in the 1940s. He goes on to say very heat-resistant hot. It actually says very heat resistant is not an incorrect claim.

Oh, that's what it says. But it doesn't do the metal justice. Okay, so Brody underselling tungsten. Oh, yeah. TSS number three. Next I oversell it. Bro, TSS number three. He starts out.

I appreciate this. He starts out. Says I don't have the credentials. offer this correction. He says, in fact, I'm horrible at science-related subjects. But that just goes to show that any person can do good. Regular Joe. Yeah, but Brody can't do good.

No. This guy says, I have a 40-year-old. Why does that matter? Like a cousin who's maybe not a kid. Maybe he's very young and he's trying to establish bona fides because his cousin is older? Well, he's going to tell you about a Christmas thing.

His cousin's 40. I don't care. You know what? It could be that he's like, we've been cousins so long. You know? I don't think that's it. Okay, he's got a 40-year-old cousin that asked for, this cousin asked for Chris. Oh, I get it now.

What kind of 40-year-old guy asked for something? A six-year-old would ask for him. Okay. That's why it's goofy. His goofy 40-year-old cousin requested a one-by-one inch piece of tungsten. This guy says it is heavy He says it's so heavy They talk about that it has its own gravitational pull

Which it does But he's not a science guy Yes you're right That is gravity pulling on your cube He goes down with this correction When Brody last week said that TSS is twice As dense as lead I kept thinking there's no way

I would like to go back because I think I said about twice of sense but maybe not you said twice because he says there's no way because I've held a 2.2 pound cube of tungsten and in fact Brody was wrong tungsten isn't twice as heavy

it's one point time 1.7 times as dense and math that's That's a long ways, I guess. He says, I know this is splitting hairs. But if it was 2x, then it would be the dent. Here's where the rubber hits the road. This is where it gets mean.

No. If it was 2x as Brody claimed, it would be the densest naturally occurring material on earth. Why can't we have some of this stuff? But it's not. It's, that is held by osmium, which is 1.9. nine times as dense as lead. So not only was Brody wrong when he said

two times, but the thing that's more dense than it still is it two times. That's right. He was very wrong. But you know what I want? Very wrong. But this person pitches the idea of osmium super shot. Exactly. OSS.

OSS. I don't know what osmium is going for these days, but I've never heard of it, which makes me think it's not. extend that ranch out to a hundred. I've got a correction for his correction, though. Well, can you hold it? There's a problem. These guys aren't even in corrections.

Who do we vote for to advance to the finals? We have Brody being wrong about Brody being wrong about not knowing when it came out. We have Brody being wrong about how hot you got to get it to melt.

I like that, yeah. The last one gets me. And we have Brody being wrong. wrong about how dense it is. OSS, baby. I like the last one because OssS. Clear winner.

Okay, so he's into the finals. I like his, I like his flavor text at the end about Osmium too. No, he did a really good job. Yeah. And he's the guy that's not a science guy.

Okay, so he's in the finals. So that is correction number one. Osmium. He's going to have to give one of his boots to his cousin, though. Who knows? Maybe they, I don't know.

Maybe they only have one, I don't know, who knows? We're kind of, I don't know what kind of accident. Same size foot, they can just share them. I was watching a movie the air night, and it was, and it was mostly cast with just non-actors. Okay? It's a phenomenal movie. And there was one of the main characters is missing an arm,

and one of the main characters is missing a leg. And I was thinking to myself, that's such an interesting call. And then I read that they didn't use professional actors. They just cast it from people, that they saw and they introduced themselves to and cast the movie that way. You don't want to tell us what it's called?

Surratt. French movie? It's a lot of French, a lot of Spanish. It's a dude trying to find his daughter who is vanished into the Moroccan desert rave scene and it has mega madmax overtones and gets very stressful.

Netflix or? No. I bought it on this. Every day I check to see if it was available. I bought it for a lot of money on Apple, you know, the iTunes store. Whatever they call that nowadays, the Apple store. Go on. Apple TV. Brody's going to offer a correction. Okay, here we go. Yeah, that's right, Apple TV.

Hopefully you guys were listening a couple weeks back when we talked about the Colorado Furban. We've got a correction from Jeff. I don't have his last name, but we'll figure it out if we need to. Okay, I just listened to the news podcast where you talked about the Colorado Furban petition voted on by the CPT. commission. During that bit, Steve remarked that nuisance beavers and other fur bears taken for nuisance reasons will now be left to rot with no fur taken. That's actually not true. That's the insane part of this story that's not being told. And honestly, I'm not sure if it should be told. I'll let you be the judge. I like this because he's saying I messed up. But it's because it's so insane that it's excusable that I messed up. Well, I don't know if it's excusing you. Yeah, it lets me off the hook.

Okay. When the commission adopts the regulation banning the sale of wild animal furs in Colorado, it will only apply to fur bears taken recreationally. Statutes are already in place that state fur bears taken for damage or agricultural purposes can be retained or sold by those taken. Those that have taken. Statutes trump regulations. This is in both Title 33 and Title 35 of the Colorado Revived Statutes. It is an unenforceable law, and the commission was told as much by CPW law enforcement. As soon as a bobcat is sealed, there's no way to know if it was harvested recreationally or through damage purposes.

This is the part that makes me uncomfortable with those for the ban. I don't want them to know this loophole. Uh-oh. There isn't any way to find out if any fur bear was taken for damage purposes. You can still harvest fur bears recreationally. and nothing says you can't sell them in another state either. This whole thing is ridiculous, and the commission shamed CPW in this ridiculous process.

Oh, he gives a little thanks to Brody. Read that part, Brody. Thanks, Brody. I can tell you that CPW is as frustrated with this as you are, which is good. Job, Brody. That's correction number two. So to recap, we got Osmium Super Shot.

Brody screwed up on the fur ban. No, you did. Oh. But it's okay. Here's the last one. This is a good one. This is an important one. On the most recent news podcast, Bear Newcomb mentioned that Oklahoma was working toward approving the release of captive deer that are, and Bear use this word, that are immune to CWD into the wild.

I wish I would have caught that. I didn't catch that. Very rightfully, the guy says the correct term would be resistant. even though that is still in question. And he talks about how we ourselves covered that episode 766 in the podcast titled The Truth About Chronic Wasting Disease. So according to the National Deer Association, deer that carry the 9-6-SS genotype

could experience a longer incubation period prior to perishing to the disease, but this does not prevent them from getting it. So resistant or delayed, but not known to be immune. Okay, so there's the three things. Yeah. The, Brody being wrong on tungsten,

me being understandably mistaken on the Colorado fur ban, or Bear Newcomb, not choosing his words carefully on chronic wasting disease. Yeah, this is tough. Give bear break.

Okay, votes. This is for the new pair of Chobova's boots. Let's go around the table, Max. No, no, you don't vote like that. Come on. I want to build up tension. Tungsten? Tungsten. I got to vote for Tonson.

Oh, it's decided that quickly. Oh, hold on. Phil, what did you vote for? I was going to vote for number two. Oh, so you didn't vote. Oh, it's not decided. I'm sorry. Tungsten? Oh, it's decided. You guys gave.

Four B three. I'm just out of curiosity. What were you going to vote for? Number two. I do CWD. Oh. Oh, you guys lost. Yeah, that's fine.

So the tungsten guy, not only did he win the playoffs. He won twice. Yeah. Wow. Chris Lund. But he did have a mistake. We will reach out to you. His cube dimension should be one inch by one inch by one inch.

Oh, yeah. Well, take that, Chris. If it's a cube, then it's implied by only two dimensions. inch cube, not a one inch by one inch. So, Chris, you know, just check it. Yeah, yeah. Let's send him some, uh, send him one. And then he has to decide. Yeah, we might have to like scuff him, like scuff him up a little bit or something

before he gets those boots. Got to scuff him up. That's a great point. Yeah, a one inch cube. That covers it. Hmm. In his face. He did say he doesn't have, he lacks credentials.

So come on. Well, his redundancy, you know, is that. something we need to correct, you know? Yeah, I'm sorry. Okay. If someone wrote in and he says, hey, I got a correction about redundancy, I'd let it slip in there. He might win some boots. I don't know.

Great. All right, Brody, audience emails. Brody, a kid wrote in about some lambs. Yeah, this is great because it's not an email. It's actually handwritten letters. I love this kid already. We just got this today. It's breaking news.

Okay, here we go. Hello, my name is Easton Sutter. I'm 12 years old, and I am a sixth grader at Fort Recovery Junior High and Fort Recovery, Ohio. This kid writes a great letter. Fort Recovery is a small rural farm town in the middle of nowhere that nobody has ever heard of.

He really sets the scene. Oh, yeah, yeah. I love hunting, fishing, and pretty much anything in nature. This past year, I went turkey, rabbit, and deer hunting with my dad. This past year's season, I shot my first buck.

My favorite part of hunting is spending one-on-one time with my dad. When you ride in the car, the first thing we typically do is turn on the meat eater podcast or trivia. But sadly, we have not gotten to try meat eater turtle. There you go, Spencer. He hasn't tried your wordal turtle.

He's a word. My dad is really good at trivia and would make a great addition to the meat eater crew. Nice. Love that. I'm an active member. This is where it gets real good. I'm an active member of 4H. And this year, my project, for my project, I have to show.

I have two show lambs. Their names are Steve and Brody. There was a third named Yanni, but it had a bummed leg and was sent to the chop house. Sounds about right, yeah. Sounds about right. I wanted to know if you would like to bid on my lambs. So if you guys want to figure that out, the audience, you could bid on his lambs. The money I will make will go into future college expenses.

And if you are interested, I haven't closed the information to do so. Thank you for your time. And I look forward to hearing back from you. here's to lots more car rides with meat eater on the radio. So does he ship those lambs, the lamb meat to us? I'm not sure. We'll have to get in touch with him. He used snail mail, so we're going to have to figure it out.

Huh. Hope someone buys the lamb. East and Sutter, if you're listening to us, send us an email. So we can figure some stuff out for you. Someone I know offered to my, they have a bunch of pasture, and they offered to my daughter that she could raise a cow on there. So she's telling everybody she's going to start raising. and cattle for money. I'm like, what, look into this little bit?

There's a couple more. There's a couple of complicating factors here we need to consider. She should raise one named Yanni for the chop house. Okay, I just thought of, here's another one. Oh, this is just an update. Remember, if you guys listened to the show, you remember we were really pushing that mountain goat raffle in Alaska? Man, that came in.

That was a great fundraiser for the organization. They raised, you guys really, you guys did two things. everyone that came into support and we drove a bunch of support there you did two things you helped them raise a bunch of money and you also shot your odds to all to hell

on the on the Alaska mountain goat raffle they raised $110,795,000 says the far and away the most money raised with an Alaska goat tag damn they're real happy with all that

now I noticed that I have not gotten my tag in the mail And it might be because I don't know I'm no statistician but these odds are rough. On top of this, the Delta Junction bison tag, get this. $213,000, $440,000. Unreal.

That's what I like to see is I like to see those raffles. Yeah, because that's getting up into governor's tag money there. Yep, because you got this whole, we've talked about 100 times on the podcast. You got the governor's tags where they auction it to the highest bidder, and it brings a lot of money for stuff. but it's just like like Joe Blow working dude is not

in the running on a governor's tag and it puts the conservation groups in a pickle. You could do a raffle and have anybody have a chance to win but you're not going to raise much money. You do a governor's tag and you have like a handful of billionaires have a chance

to win and it's a bunch of money. So to see these really successful like really successful raffles is cool because like anybody can participate, everybody's got a chance to win, and then you still get a nice price tag toward conservation work. What was the price for putting in for the raffle? Can't remember. I bought, I bought, 25 bucks. I bought an undisclosed dollar amount worth of entries.

Okay. Not that. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't go crazy. I'll disclose. I bought 100 bucks worth of entries. Yeah. About 100 bucks. Um, oh, Brody.

Oh, yeah, it's Turkey week. I covered this a little bit in the first part of this in radio live, I think, a while back. But I'll start over and cover both parts now. Oh, no, no, we didn't eat the, damn it. Where's this part where we eat the jerky? I miss that. Okay. Do you want to start over?

Oh, wait. Audience. No, I just skip. I don't know why I have to do it. So remember we were talking on the news show about making jerky out of nuts, deer nuts? Mm-hmm. He sent us the nuts. And I was saying, don't poison us.

He said, the guy wrote in, one grown man to another, sending you a dried deer nut is one of the weirdest things I have done. Now, my wife told me to send you some of that dried heart. Unfortunately, for you, I have eaten the heart. It was excellent.

You are one of the few hunters that, he said some nice stuff. He fought fire up here. And he goes, on the jerky, I dry smoke and preserve meat as folks has for generations before me. In my neck of the woods, the Caddo and Comanche tribes dried strips of meat that sustain them throughout the year. So here's the nut. So he's got one nut and says normal non-nut jerky contains no nuts. You guys try that.

This is just meat. And then here's the dry testicle. This is deer nut jerky. he wrote a note too saying that he didn't poison us not because of it was like technically hard he says he's not that kind of guy it'd be easy to pull off though

if he wanted it's saying like if he wanted to poison this he would have but he's just that that kind of guy so here's the nut this is the this is a dried nut I'm surprised it has that texture because when it's carved me off a hunk of that or does it break does it just taste like

smoke terriots? coffee flavor. It looks the same as the rest of the jerky. It ain't like jerky. But nuts are much whiter than... You can give it to Spencer her name. It's an off-putting finish.

Excuse Spencer. Off-putting finish. His jerky is tough as shit. I'm surprised at a nut. I'm surprised the testicle dries up like that, to be honest with you. That, right? You didn't slice it at all?

That's very pasty, very pasty finish. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You don't think he sliced it up at all? Oh, it's sliced. Okay. And that, that, uh... Oh, it smells like...

Whatever you want to call that on the outside. It's not very good. Max, want to split back with me? Well, I don't think it's like as bad as you guys are saying this. No, you got to try this. No. Okay. Just cut that in half and give me...

I wouldn't need to eat that ever again. Here's what I like to think of bad foods. I'm not offended. Like, here's a measure of bad foods. my wife recently bought these salted dried uh i don't know why she bought them salted dried prunes and i was like my god that's bad when i ate one but then i put left at my truck and a few times i drove around and i'd eat one and i'd think to myself my god that's bad but you kept eating them and i eventually threw it away if he sent me a sack of those nuts i would probably

another time, eat one and be like, my God, that's bad. Corinne's spitting it out. And like, I eat a lot of stuff. Really? Yeah. I don't, like, you're big talk. You didn't even fit, clean your plate. That's disgusting.

It's a little chewy. Bro, he's all like, oh, I quite like it. I know. I did not say I like it. I just don't think it's like the worst thing I've ever had. Then eat it. I like it. I know how good, like, a deer testicle can taste. And it's like a, like a very pleasant thing to eat and this was not that.

What makes it tough is this like outer this like skin membrane it's got out of. Guys don't do that at home. Not worth it. Boy. But that's a satisfying result. Now I know that like I don't

I don't need to do that. You're not jerky. Yeah. You guys are a bunch of babies. I'd rather smell that castors and castor oil than eat that. Yeah. All right everybody.

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Oh, Phil. Uh-huh. Don't pull that up, but can you pull the guy up all riled up about going turkey hunting? I need a link I don't even know what to search for I'll send it to you okay all right bro to do your thing now folks

listening at home here you're gonna don't think that this is just don't think that this is just local news for us right because this is like a management strategy you should be aware of that's what I was thinking a trend that's happening more and more

yeah this is a trend that's happening regarding non-resident hunters last year Montana Senate Bill 514 was passed. And we, like, somehow went like under the radar for a while, at least for me. I never heard hiding her hair about it. But then I caught onto it because I hunt pheasants.

Can I interrupt one second? Yeah. You wonder what's wrong with that jerky? You know what when you're eating jerky, normally you chew it a while and you wind up with kind of like a cud? Mm-hmm. You're chewing, chewing, chewing that nut jerky. and all of a sudden it's a paste. Yeah.

Go on. Is that still in your mouth? Okay. So Senate Bill 514, it grants resident upland bird hunters at 10-day head start over non-residents.

Now, the reason I, again, I caught this was regarding pheasant season, but other upland birds, Sharp-tailed grouse, Hungarian part, and stuff like that. I think that season for pheasants anyway starts early October.

Now non-resident hunters have to wait 10 days before they can hunt them on public land or on like private land that has public access programs like block management in Montana. But they're not jumping the season earlier. It's just your non-residents lose 10 days. Exactly. And if those non-resident hunters have access to private-private, they can go hunt. What I didn't realize is that because Montana categorizes turkeys as upland game birds, this rule also applies to spring turkey season.

So spring turkey opens April 15th in Montana. Non-residents can't start hunting them on public or private with public access till April 25th. Hmm. Um, yeah. And then weirdly, and this kind of pisses me off. they exempted mountain grouse they did I don't get it the only thing I can think of is there's a bunch of non-resident archery hunters

elk hunters out there that are sticking grass for that's not why I don't know I had the same thought as brodie there's just no there's a very little pressure on those mountain birds I don't like it I think they should have all or none yeah either way so so this is like you know it's a pretty big change and it It's a bold change, man. It follows a trend of mostly western states doing what they can to limit the impact of non-resident hunting pressure and doing something where they can, like, present a regulation saying we're trying to alleviate this pressure that you guys are talking about. You've seen it.

Colorado went away from over-the-counter archery elk tags. Montana cut a number of non-resident mule deer tags. Wyoming has lowered their cap on all non-resident tags. So it's just like this trend that is happening. I think it's going to continue too. Yeah, so you have more like you have a growing number of residents as more people leave cities, leave high tax areas. So you're growing numbers of residents in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho.

And then, And then like the pie needs be cut up differently. Yeah. And I honestly like as far as pheasant season, like it's nice to be out there the first few days when you're shooting young of the year, dumb birds, right? But it's a three month season. You're not losing that much as a non-resident. Turkeys in Montana. There's some years weather wise where you can't hunt the first or don't want to hunt the first week in the season anyway.

And like all the birds are hend up anyway. So it's like not a big deal. Hold on a minute, what? I personally think that the first like 15 days of the season, there's a lot of birds, a lot of tombs that are hend up. I was referring more to like snow storms and shit like that. Yeah, but. Okay. Either way.

There you go. I have thoughts. This is one of those deals where you got, I try to, like, so it's my state, right? where I live. So you like it. So to myself, I'm going like, sweet, dude. Yeah. Stick it to them. Right. But so just acknowledging that truth. Yep. I, I feel obligated, um, to point out a couple details or point out a couple minor counterpoints. Yes. Just to, just to open that all to be fair. Where are you getting to trouble, even though I like this. I like this. Because this is, you know, helps helps me out. Where you get to trouble is non-resident licenses.

keeps the lights on at the fishing game agency. That's why I think you're seeing it with pheasants and turkeys and not elk. Like they're not going to push rifle elk season back 10 days. You'll never see that. They might. But that's what keeps the lights on. And it could be that the agency is sitting there saying what people really want. And it would be enormous.

Like if you, let's say you did a vote in a state referendum. Any state. I don't care. You did Montana. Colorado, any state, Wisconsin. You did a state vote and said, hey, should non-residents have to wait 10 days to start deer hunting with a rifle? It would pass everywhere.

The agency is going to be like, but hold on a minute because all of our funding comes from non-resident. You guys are all hunting deer for 30 bucks. These guys are paying 300 bucks to hunt a deal. And there's also the outfitters to consider you'd shrink their season, you know. That's who would be pissed. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. So it's like, it's like you can kind of scratch the itch.

Yep. a little bit and maybe it's like you're scratching the itch a little bit where you're not going to hurt the agency's funding model yeah the other thing is i look at it like from this perspective because i jump i hunt all over the place um you know i jump from state state and hunt so here i'm going like let's say like i go to uh we we hunt the kiddie season we hunt the youth season wisconsin every year if someone said all of a sudden they says it's a two-day youth season and someone comes and says hey the first day of wisconsin Wisconsin's youth season is resident only, I would say, oh, man. Yeah. What? And I'd be all bummed out. But you'd still go.

I wouldn't have this. What could I do about it? It's not even my state. I would feel like it was someone else deciding something and I was not part of the decision making process. I'd be bummed. So I get it that people are bummed. But at the same time, just to be like totally upfront and honest, when I saw this, I'm like,

that's cool. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm not crying. Because there's a self-serving element to everything. Like, look, I think they would do as much of this as they could if they thought they could get away with. But there's a ceiling to it, like you said. They can only go so far with it. Yeah.

The real losers and anything like this, the real losers are, and if you take this state, the real losers, it's Washington and Minnesota. because those dudes hunt this state hard. Hard. Okay. I've got that video if you want to watch it, Steve. Oh, yeah, this is great. I like this guy. Check this out.

This is just right now, he said this? I think yesterday. Listen to this guy. We'll kill a turkey in the morning. Could someone say who? Go, whoa, whoa. Could someone that knows about sports say who he is? Isn't that the women's longhorn coach?

Women's, yeah, Texas. Texas Longhorns coach. Oh, okay. Texas Longhorns coach. They just advanced to the final four. He's got a fishing net around his neck. No, that's a basketball. That was a joke.

That's a sports joke. I was making sure. The old net, I was making sure you knew what it was. He's got a basketball hoop around his neck. They just won. I'll be in the office by 10 o'clock, and I'll be in the film, watching film, getting ready, and then the second thing is, I'm going to leave for Phoenix tomorrow.

Just being honest. That's going to happen. I've earned that right to be in the woods for a couple hours in the morning calling a turkey. And then we'll get ready for whoever's, you know, whatever's going to happen after that. But I watch film tonight, absolutely, all the way home. I watch it until I can't stay awake tonight, just like I've done here for four or five straight nights. But I'm going to treat myself in the morning to, it might not even take longer than 30 minutes so I can call that dude off the roost.

But after that, I'll be in the office. And I'll be getting ready for UCLA. Amen. Hope he has a good hunt. He got one. I found out, yeah. I had to like Google it, but on Twitter he posted a photo of he got one the next morning.

He was so into thinking about turkeys. He couldn't remember who they were playing the next day at the beginning of that interview. Okay, I was talking to Nate Mason the other day. He's joining us right now. He was out patterning his shotgun. innocently unaware of the turkey of the TSS explosion price explosion vaguely yeah you know you don't need to be a great student of the news to know

that there's a lot of ordinance getting blown up right now around the world people drop bombs all over the place the military uses a lot of tongue tungsten in ordinance in munitions there's a tungsten shortage this kind of ties into us duking it out with China about certain rare

minerals metals I had a guy came to me I don't want to say my source because I could be wrong a guy that's in the ammo business texted me that he heard from the major ammo manufacturer

that TSS as an as an ammo, TSS turkey loads, TSS is done. He says it's all going to the government, and it's time to figure out your next bullet. What was it? Your next shot. I don't know. Osmium super shot.

TSS is over. I'm explaining this to Nate Mason, and we're talking about that a TSS round is about six times more expensive than what he uses. And he said, is it six times better? And I said, no, maybe it's like 1.4 times better. And it inspired him to go on and make his own website. Yep.

The tsestestestest.com. You can go there right now. He's parked on that domain for one year for a dollar. It cost me a buck. It cost me 1.18 of a TSS shell. Did you expense that dollar? No. You ate it.

I'm planning on monetizing this and making a bunch of money off it. Enough to buy TSS, maybe. Here's the deal. A couple disclaimers. Well, this is the common man's guide to TSS. I think we're making a lot of hay out of TSS when most people don't even, they're not, it's not even.

In my social circle, let me tell you something. In my social circle, I'm saying you're not the common man. Everyone in my social circle shoots TSS. Right. How new are you to turkey hunting? So this is my second disclaimer. How are you?

Let me, let me, let me, I have never hunted. I have never hunted a turkey in my life. And I'm not a data scientist. But you are a common man. I'm very much a common man. This is ripe for corrections. So, sharpen your pencils,

nitpickers. But I think it makes me uniquely qualified to take an objective view of TSS or the lack they're out. So Phil has TSS for the common man pulled up. Yep, you can go to the tssstest.com. Um, and this was, a lot of teas. A lot of teas, yeah.

I'm a big alliterative guy. It's high tea. Hi, tea. And it's answered the question, can I justify buying TSS for 15, 17, 20 bucks a shell? Everyone's got different situations, variables, hunts, ethics setups. And so I pulled a number of seasoned turkey hunters from across the U.S. And basically asked, what's the average range? at which a turkey presents the shot to you.

Because that's what really matters. And I thought about this answer long and hard. And Yanni, I put it to Yanni long and hard. See, but I also thought about that because I think you're hunting primo spots. Dude,

it has nothing. So, no, I'm just saying. I want people to understand. Again, you're not a data guy. No,

you're a data guy. You're not a turkey guy. I'm neither. This is a working draft of a website. Yes. B1. And you also probably can't argue with experienced turkey hunters over what they're seeing

since you're not. Agreed. And I turkey hunt a lot of places. Right. I don't, I don't want to remind you that I'm a two-time super, what's the slam when you got? World slam. No.

Grand slam. Two-time. No, way more than grand. World. World includes the Mexican. What's the one that doesn't include the oscillated? Super. Two-time super slam holder.

See, I don't even know what those are. That's how little I know. So what I'm saying is when I give you turkey data, turkey dope. it's from all over buddy yep but all those data points are from steve's shoes okay go on so in light of that i factored in a bunch of variables and you can go on here and put in your situation whether it's the caginess of your turkeys the species you're hunting click through a little bit though oh sure hold on hold on before i get corrected grand slam is eastern rio merriam osiola royal That shouldn't even be a thing.

It's all four. Entry level. Yeah. The Royal Slam is the Grand Slam plus the Goulds. And then the World Slam is the Royal Slam plus the oscillated. So two-time Royal Holder. Yeah. The U.S. Super Slam is all 49 states.

Or sorry, all 49 states that has turkeys. You know what bottlenecks me on that is I only got two. I only got two ghouls. Two more than a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, that's what's bottleneck in me on not being a three-time. You ought to start on that 49 thing. No.

No? Not interested? I want to get back to Nate's thing. Sorry. All right. No, that was great because you would have got corrected. Oh, yeah. So, dude, I think you just pull that sucker up and go through it.

Okay, so you go to TSS for the common man. Nate Mason's thing. It's a working draft. He's trying to help you found out if it's right for you. You click Find My Shell. Who's going to be our hunter? Max. Max.

Max. Okay. Okay, Max. Does your hunting spot actually allow for a 45-yard shot? Great question. No. Oh, you can't see that far. I'm in the trees.

I'm in the timber. Oh. Okay. Boom. Oh. You don't need it. Isn't that funny? Skip it.

It's already done. Skip the TSS. Yeah. Okay, back up. You can sell that stash you got like make pretty penny on it. Okay, let's start over, Max. Let's change your story. Let's say you're hunting an area.

It's like not too heavily timbered. For the record, I'm just putting myself in spots that I'm not shooting past 45. Yeah, like woods hunting, like, or like swam hunting, Mississippi. You're not shooting. Yeah, but like even like out here in Montana, I'm not setting up 100 yards from a rise. Like I'm setting up close to that rise. That turkey's coming up. Boom.

In your face. Yes. But I know, just for the sake of the poor guy's website. That's intentional. That's intentional. He says, hell yeah. Yeah, he is. Okay.

Does your turkey trip cost $1,000 or more? I would hope not. Let's say no. It does not, Phil. Oh, wow. It's getting intense now. Yeah, dude. Now, your situation, species, Max, Miriams?

Yeah. Okay, we're doing Miriams. Using a decoy? No. No. You don't use a decoy? Depends on the situation. Okay, but there's a lot of depends.

Right. Well, that's for by trip. This trip is not. Yeah. Okay. Now, how would you rate the cageness of the turkeys where you hunt, Max? I would give them, oh, it's negative five to five. That's a great name. Butterballs meaning domestics. Yep. Or old public land rope draggers.

Don't do the thing where people say Miriams are stupid. That's factored into the species. Give it a two. Holy cow. Two. Two. Oh, growing up. So can you change that to old public land rope draggers? Yeah, I'll change that. I'll take those notes. Yep.

Next two. Okay. calling skill I would say don't call and then you're Preston Pittman don't sell yourself

short here max I won oh you're better slightly above average I would say one five no because he's like

really good at calling everything he's better than me yeah okay average killable gobbers per day

if you hunted a day and had one come through in range you know how many would you expect like let me give you for instance

when we go to hunt youth turkey. Okay. If we're hunting hard, I would say, not that we're going to get it, not that the kids are going to shoot, but like, I would expect in a day,

we're going to have a burden range. You would lay eyes on a bird. Like, if I was shooting, like I would, you know, or whatever, however you look at it. Like, you should have had it. You should have had it.

You messed up. Defined by as within 70 yards. He had a hen behind him, so you couldn't shoot. He, like, his head came through a clearing and you weren't ready. Your kid didn't see it in time.

Whatever. Killable turkeys. See, this is so tough. I would get rid of the yardage thing and just say, come on. Because you got it. You got a one. If he hunts hard, he should have a turkey in range.

Yes. I go. I would say that, yes. I was thinking about more, but it was this. How many days you got to hunt? Three days. On the weekend warrior. Okay, he's going to do a three-day hunt.

Now, your generic old school shell, no TSS, your generic shell. What's, what's max range for you? I'm not shooting past 40. Okay, 40. Okay. This one, here's where I get confused. This is like a mid-range. Like a medium middle of the range.

That was like a Kent. Yeah, like a Kent shell. Sure. Premium lead. Premium lead. Copper plated. Okay. Yeah. So now you got, now you got some,

you got some long beard. What is that up there? Long beard XR. XR. Are you still pushing past 40? See, I feel like this all depends. What gauge are you shooting? We'll do this for your set up.

For you, Matt. 12. For my setup, 12-gauge, you could push it out to 40. Well, that was your other, that was your dinner. So you don't adjust. Push it out to 50. Okay, he's out to 50 now. Now, what's the biggest poke you're going to take with TSS?

Biggest poke. Like, when you've got to get a rest, that kind of shot. Oh, my gosh. I'll answer for him. No, me personally, I'm not shooting past 40. I don't care what kind of shell I'm shooting. Oh. So then he doesn't need TSS?

Okay, then take his 50 back to 40. and put TSS at 40. I think we know what the answer is going to be. This guy's like the worst guy. I know. We already answered it off the writ. I know, but he's the worst guy in the world to like try to get it. I was trying to tell you that.

This is why I answered. I know, but you know what you're not doing. You're not like, you're like, you're not just kind of who I am. No, I know. You're trying to stay true to who you are. Just go 40-50. You're not just bullshit. You're not going to stay.

But still, let's see. Never mind. Okay. Okay. Let me, let me override them. Okay. It's just to push the, it's not. Steve and Max.

Max is like 40 with my old whispered in his ear. He's like 40 with my old man's copper plate of force. Shoot it. He's in range. Shoot it. Long beard XR. I'll stretch it to 40, 50. TSS, I'm going to reach out to 60. Survey says.

Oh, wow. This grafts. This is awesome, Nate. Oh. The long beard XR is the best bang for your buck. Or equivalent. You don't need TSS. Right. There you go. I'll take it all. Give it to me.

Because I ain't stopping to shooting that stuff until I run out of it. Okay, the last bit, I told you to check your numbers on shells. Yeah. Cost per additional point. So what you're looking at is you're getting a bell curve of where you're going to get a shot. It might walk up to 10. It might hang up at 60. But on average, they're going to be about 40 yards.

And so you can get that done with the medium middle of the road copper. Okay. And what costs are you dealing with here? Because you took a like a little. Yeah, so you scroll down, you'll look at the, assumptions, and we can make these variable, but generics are going to cost you about a buck 50, your middle of the road 250, your TSS is going to cost you $17 a show. Today.

Today. I thought it'd be higher that by now. Probably. You know, that takes the fun out of shooting, don't it? Yeah, and you're... 17 bucks. Exactly, dude. I just don't think about it.

You don't think of it. You're not. You're not going to sometimes feel like just ripping a couple extra shots at the paper. I do. Yanni Chimani, he says he, when he's, when he's, when he's, patterning out, he's patterning out on old schoolers. And then he double checks on his TSS. Or birdshot. Yeah, I just use cheap

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Yeah. Yeah. He's in the pocket of Big Lead. Okay, so we covered turkey season updates. We covered the TSS purchase guide. Again, please listeners, go to the tsestest.com and find out if TSS is right for you. All right, everybody, if you're getting fired up for spring turkey season, you're going to want to hear this. Man, I'm telling you, I'm fired up.

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on Monday, April 13th, 2000, 26. So you got all day that day. But it ends right before midnight. Gobble, gobble. Over to Spencer. I'm going to talk about Death Valley National Park. Death Valley, it's the biggest national park in the lower 48. It's located about two hours west of Las Vegas in East Central California. Part of the park spills over into Nevada, but not much of it.

When you think of like Death Valley, you're thinking of the California portion. It's the lowest, driest, and hottest place on the continent in all of North America. One part of the park sits at 282 feet below sea level. It averages less than two inches of precipitation every year. And actually in 1929 and 1953, there was no precipitation at all recorded. It currently holds the world record for the hottest temperature ever recorded when it reached 134 degrees Fahrenheit. on July 10, 1913. So now you know all about what Death Valley looks like and feels like.

Well, I'll tell you one thing you didn't mention, but I always liked. Water doesn't leave there. Just a basin. Yeah, because it's a below seed. Yeah, it's a dead end. Yeah, I think it's like the remnants of an old lake that used to be 7,000 feet deep. Oh, really? And now what's left there is Death Valley.

Now, despite this intense heat and lack of rain, stuff still grows there. They have mesquite trees. prickly pear cactus, bitter root, whole bunch of succulents and cacti. Then there's a number of wildflowers. Now, most of these wildflowers only show up during a super bloom. The Death Valley Superbloom only happens about every 10 years. The last time it happened was in 2016. Prior to that, there was one in 2005 and 1998.

They require perfect conditions. Most notably, you need a wet fall in winter and its precipitation. Man. washes the salt off of the wildflower seeds and wakes them up after they lay dormant for a decade. No kidding. The seeds are salted. Mm-hmm. And that precipitation will take you salt away and it signals to the seeds.

Okay, time to go. You can almost see like the path that the water takes. Yeah. We're looking at pictures right now. You can see them on YouTube. How long from moisture to this? Well, these, these pictures, the super bloom can vary. We'll get to it in a second.

but like when I was there in 2023, I was there in mid-March flowers did not start blooming until late March that year. They had an above-average bloom. It was not a super bloom. Were you trying to hit the bloom? I knew it would be a good time to be. It wasn't like the point of the whole trip.

Yeah. But it was like a factor in being there in mid-March. Yeah, the perfect conditions. Mostly it's just a wet fall in winter. There are about 20 of these wildflowers that participate in the super bloom. They have a short-growing. window when they do show up.

Now it's similar to predator swamping. Explain what that is Steve. Predator swamping. Yeah, it's a reproductive strategy that humans interpret as, let's see, have a large nesting colony of birds. If they all lay their eggs

at the same time, the local predator population doesn't have a chance of getting them all. They'll kind of work the edges of the colony, but they'll never get them all. Whereas if those birds spread their nesting out over a month, you would just have a month of sporadic predation. So predator swamping, like when elk all tend to hit the ground, elk fauns all hit the ground on the same day,

calves, you're going to get corrected. El calves, they all hit the ground in the same day. Some are going to live. If they all hit the ground over the course of six weeks, it could be they all get killed. Yeah. Right. Predator swamp. You're overwhelming predators. That would be like a mammal version of that. And I think other, you know, animals will participate as well. The Superbloom does a similar thing. overwhelms the landscape because by blooming simultaneously, they'll guarantee to attract a lot of pollinators, butterflies, moths, bees, hummingbirds that otherwise aren't going to show up in Death Valley and visit this desert. Now, here's why I'm talking about this today. 2026 is a super bloom year. And this was predicted going back to September because they got a big rainfall then. It was

followed by two and a half more inches of rain between November and January. That's exactly what you want for a Super Bloom. I found a blog post from a Death Valley guide on November 14, 2025, where he said, quote, I don't recall a setup quite this favorable in the last 15 years. And that guide was right. The Superbloom started in mid-February. It's expected to last into May. It likely peaked.

That's what I was going to ask you. So it lasts a while. It lasts. It lasts. It's not like a week and they're all gone. Once the flowers are up, the biggest thing is heat and wind. Those are the enemies of like a lasting super bloom. Now, this one probably peaked a couple weeks ago because they had some really intense wind and heat.

I'd knock down a lot of those wildflowers, but there's still plenty to see. And it also varies by elevation. So obviously, the lowest elevation places come into super bloom first, followed by the mid and higher elevations. And the higher elevation are where the super bloom will last into early summer. Now, if you live in the area, you can go check it out. I visited Death Valley in 2023. Like I said, it's one of my favorite parks. It's one of the only parks that has year-round dispersed camping.

It's got the best stargazing I've ever experienced. It's super remote, so make sure you fill up on gas first, and you have a good spare tire. And take a trip to the racetrack playa. You'll see the sailing stones that move on their own. And then, of course, this year, you'll get the rare super bloom that's happening. Excellent job. Wow. Thank you.

They need to build no website for that, did you? Nope. No. Excellent job. It's beautiful. Hotest, dryest, lowest place on earth and all those pretty flowers. Not on earth. Oh, I'm sorry.

Good, good catch. The Altima. North America. Yeah. Inside of Santiago, somewhere around there, the driest place on earth, like the elk. Chili. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, and chili driest place on earth.

Mm. Can't even, like, that must be less than an inch of precipitation year. No rain. Wow. No rain. Disgusting. All right, Max. Over to you, North Dakota Poachers.

All right. So, you know how the 1880s had Jesse. James and Frank James. Oh, yeah. Well, 2026 has Tatum and Tyler D. Foe. Oh. Going to my home state, North Dakota. Bad dudes.

Watford City, North Dakota, which is in the northwest part of the state, I would say. There remains of over 30 deer, three bull elk, and even a moose with antlers, were found by law enforcement at the residence of a Watford City man who is now under arrest and currently being held at the Southwest Multi-County Correction Center in DHS. Dickinson, North Dakota. Where in the hell is he getting the moose? I do not know. There's moose in North Dakota.

But he took it home with them. Or at least the head. Yeah. This. Yeah, I understand. This article didn't really say how they got it. It was just like. That it's there.

He's got it on his place. Yep. So back in December of 2024, the residents of Taden, Taden and Tyler Defoe was being searched by law enforcement on a different warrant. Law enforcement. happened to see some untagged heads there and they notified a local game warrant.

Seems like a lot of poachers get nailed via unrelated charges. Yes. And then a new search by the North Dakota game and fish that lasted about six hours. And then the warden removed the fallen from the residence.

34 sets of antlers and heads of white tail and mule deer. Two elk heads with antlers, so a bowl elk. One moose with antlers, so a bull moose. And multiple bags of meat and a bobcat rug. North Dakota game warns reached out to surrounding states to see like, hey, do you guys have any licenses? Take guess.

Montana. No. No licenses found. Oh. But didn't they have charges in Montana? Yeah. Meaning they can't. He can't explain it away by like, oh, I've been hunting all over hell.

Yeah. I thought they were connected to some stuff in Montana, but maybe not. No. In the article I read, the Warren reached out to both Montana and South Dakota to verify zero big game licenses were found. What stopping them from just saying they're a bunch of deadheads? Great question. Because my buddy brought up this question because he was running around with a new hunter who doesn't know anything about anything. And he was like, I don't want to take this deadhead because I don't have a salvage tag for it.

And so I thought, I called Montana FWP and they're like, yeah, you don't need a salvage tag. Maybe it depends on what state it's in. You know, I feel like it's like a head that was cut off. It's like if for some reason a police officer or game warden is on your property and they see a deadhead or two deadheads versus finding 30. Yeah, but I've found five this year. I got all sorts of deadheads all over the place. So I think this article, when it's, says elk heads, I think it's like a mounted taxidermy.

You know, it's not a European mounted deadhead. So yeah, going back to this, the maximum penalty for a single Class A Mr. Meteor under North Dakota law is 360 days in prison, a $3,000 fine or both. Hmm. The youngest of the two, Taden, was initially charged with 15 separate Class A misdermeter. charges. Wow. Yeah, he's currently being held in Dickinson, North Dakota. I didn't really find much about his older brother, Tyler, Defoe.

The article just said he had nearly identical charges stemming from the same incident. Got it. But that was it. I don't know if he's in jail or what's happening. So, um, did they, like, did they tie any of those heads to like known poaching cases they were trying to solve? No. This article is very bleak.

So, and I think it's important to note, both defos are considered into, considered innocent until proven guilty. So we'll find out. I'll circle back on this in a couple weeks and see what happens. That's a lot of charges, man. Yeah. I know they had a couple of court dates here coming up. So, we'll see. Western North Dakota doesn't produce a lot of bull elk and moose.

So that, like, you know, they killed two moose there. That's a lot of moose. Yeah. I know there's like bad lines, like in the badlands in western North Dakota, there's lots of elk, but, um, yeah, having two of those. I think it's like a once in lifetime tag. But I wouldn't be, I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't know. But I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, but turned out that those weren't local.

Yeah. Like hopping. That's why that's why they're talking about calling other states. Yeah. And well, once you cross state line, doesn't it turn into a whole other? Lacey, like violation. Yeah. Then it's a federal crime.

Um, but yeah, I think. That's kind of what piqued my curiosity about it, is that, you know, not to say that they don't, but those are animals not mostly associated there. And the fact that they're calling other states leads you to believe that that's what they're curious about. For sure. So we'll find out. Yep. Okay.

Lastly, I just got, so I just recently got a moose harvest report. Okay, look at that moose harvest statistics. For here. Yeah, but within this report that I got, I got this other really interesting thing about moose, moose in general on our continent. So Canada, the United States of America, the moose population in a way that they used to understand moose

in a way that they, the evolving understanding of how moose came to be. Now, I'll just do a little trivia. What do you got? What moose do we have here? Chiris and up in northern, we have Canadian. Canadian.

Canada. Or whatever they call them. So, yeah, so you have, in moose taxonomy, they recognize, you have the Yukon moose, which is the biggest, then the Canadian moose, then you have the Shiris moose,

and then I think there's another one they call out east, like the eastern. And maybe, is there a Labrador or two? Newfoundland or Labr or something like that. So they have these different moose, these different moose branches. in moose taxonomy. They used to do this a lot.

For instance, there used to be, I don't know, they used to recognize a dozen caribou. Seven different kinds of elk or something like that. Seven kinds of elk, dozen caribou. And they used to think that these things were genetically different. Think about this, the Mexican gray wolf, and then the wolf, the regular gray wolf. So we have these different genetic distinctions.

And what you're doing is when they look at the genome of the species, you usually are, when it's valid, okay, like take, let's start with this example, what I'm trying to say, take blacktail deer and mule deer. Blacktail deer and mule deer are regarded as legitimately different. They're like, that is a legitimate subspecies. And what makes it that way is they can see evidence that there was a, a, a, a, a, a, serious, distinct genetic barrier. Meaning there was a time when blacktailed deer were not able to interbreed. They were physically separated from mule deer at a time.

Now they're not. Now they bleed into each other. Like I pointed this out before, there's places like in California. If a deer is standing on the west side of I-5, it's a black-tailed deer. If it's standing on the east side, of I-5, it's a meal deer. But when you look at them genetically, you can tell that these two things were different and they were separated.

What was separating them, and all these cases in North America, it was, what was separating them was like old glaciation. So you had glacial barriers that cut animal populations and chunks. And so areas where we have these legitimate subspecies, it was because they were separated. When you look at caribou, they had, I don't know what they, a dozen caribou. running around. They now think that there are two legitimate caribou subspecies. Barren ground

and Woodland. Barren ground were north of the glaciers. Woodland survived south of the glaciers. The glaciers go away. Everything melts. They can intermingle, but they're still like, those are legitimate subspecies. For a long time, people thought

that the Chiris Moose was a subspecies, and there was this idea that it had found refuge south of the great ice sheets and evolved on its own and these other moose evolved to the north. And I was even unaware that this thinking was changing. But they're doing more and more genetic work and it's like all these different moose, Yukon, Canada, Chiris, when you look at them and you see the differences, all you're seeing is habitat, like distinct habitat and nutrition. And what's the

shit, what is it? The thing north to south or south and Burgsman's principle. That could play a role too. Body size. So like in Bergman's principle, we've talked with this 100 times. Like Bergman's principle,

if you look at a mammals range, the largest specimens are on the north end of the range, the smallest specimens are on the south end of the range, which fits. So I look at all this stuff like antler configuration of a Chiris Moose. The Shiris Moose doesn't have different antler configuration. It's just smaller. And they, why don't doing this thing, I'm looking at this map.

And it served fossils in North America over 15,000 years. And it's crazy because like over 15,000 years, you have, I'm looking at this map where it's showing caribou fossils coming out of Nebraska. Oh, I was doing some research for the book where they found Caribou, Tennessee, Alabama, like way down south. Well, this is over 15,000 years. So I got caribou fossils over in South Carolina, North Carolina, caribou fossils in Nebraska, deer fossils, southern Florida, just everywhere, okay? Elk fossils down into Mexico. There is no older than 15,000-year moose fossil.

The southernmost, the southernmost, over 15,000-year-old moose fossil found to date sits at the Alaska-U-Con border. So north of the glaciers. Yeah. Other stuff was down, right? Like, in this map, there's this huge band across Central Canada where there's no fossils from over the time

because nothing was there. So you had stuff that was north of it and stuff that was south of it. What you had north of it, you had elk, you had moose, you had caribou, south of it. You had deer. You had

caribou, you had elk. No moose. That's wild. No moose. And so they're saying that like all moose, all moose at the end of the ice age came out of beringia. Spread south. And there's never been a point when, and you did not have

genetic barriers. They've always just been like you would start in one place and you'd travel and there'd be moose and you'd slowly realize they look different. Yeah. Over time they just adapted to that habitat. Nutrition, habitat, and they also, this, this paper also talks a lot about density. That, like, density is impacting size. Yeah.

High density, small size. Yeah. What's wild is they were moving, uh, down here at the same time humans were. That's the crazy part too. Yeah. That's, that's, that's kind of like, it would be that if, if you always imagine going back, like, you want to go back to the placency, to the clobin. age, you could be like the first humans that came down out of Beringia and hit the American Great Plains, they might have done that faster than, they might have been in a moose-free environment. And then one day it'd be like, wow, there's moose showing up. What's that thing? Yeah. Because the moose came at the same time as humans. I think it's fascinating. The map

is cool. Yeah. Yeah. There were no deer, the most, this is what's crazy too, the most northern deer fossils over 15,000 years have come out of like the Prince of Wales Island area. Some black tails. Yep. On the coast. On the coast, probably ice free.

Yep. You had some black tails on the coast. And then it's like you didn't have northern deer and you didn't have southern moose. That's super cool. Yeah. It's just a kind of a changing perspective of why why is a shyness? Because when they look at a Chiris Moose, they're like, his antlers are smaller, his coat is different colored, there's these other head measurements that are different.

And you're like, oh, they must have been different. Right. But it's like, it's just how the species was reflected, how the landscape changed the species, how the species adapted to the landscape, right? It'd be interesting to see what other species will, they'll look at and try and follow that same trend. For size reference, the Boone and Crocket minimum score for a Shyrus moose is 140, for a Canada moose is 185.

There you go. 45 inch difference. And then for a Yukon moose, it's 210. So this is like a Canada and Yukon are closer in minimum size of Boone and Crocket than Chiris and Canada. Boone and Crockett score is kind of weird to envision with moose. Like spread wise, I would say like a Shiris, a good bull's like, 40 inches wide.

If you look at the all-time record, the world record for a Canada is 242 for a Chiris is 205. I'm going to make people dig this up themselves. I don't want to tell them. But there is a unit in Montana where the average, 50 inches. The five-year average is a 49-inch width. And you look at most of the units, the five-year average is down in the upper 30s. Like 40s is a decent shiris.

Hot unit. Yeah. know it's funny people know this because it's a low draw odd unit people figured it out they're all low draw everything is 0.01% chance no no no not true okay not true thanks to listen to the new show thanks everybody when you flew out the window the sunset i thought i would never stop screaming I thought I could stop screaming, but I ran. So I took in some more. So if you help from trying inside of screaming this.

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