The Megyn Kelly Show - Adam Curry on Coordinated COVID Attacks, Following the Money, and Michael and Janet Jackson | Ep. 238

Episode Date: January 11, 2022

Adam Curry, former MTV VJ and co-host of the "No Agenda" podcast, on COVID craziness from around the world, the powerful's coordinated COVID attacks on the people, one columnist's outrageous attacks on "anti-vaxxers," shame and fear during the pandemic, growing up in the 70s and 80s, the evolution of culture, the money behind the pandemic, Rand Paul vs. Dr. Fauci (again), how podcasts became a real business and how Curry became "The Podfather," Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson, Tina Turner, MTV in the 80s, Putin's latest moves, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow  

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we have a fascinating guest for you, the podfather. Adam Curry is back on with us, this time for the full show, and we are psyched about it. Adam's an internet entrepreneur, former MTV VJ, podcasting pioneer, I mean, truly pioneer, and co-host of the informative and hilarious No Agenda podcast. No agenda whatsoever. He's the reason you're able to listen to this show right now, in large part, and also why you were addicted to music videos, and he says Skittles in the 1980s, and maybe to this show right now in large part, and also why you were addicted to music videos. And he says Skittles in the 1980s, and maybe to this day. He has lived an incredible life so far, and we are going to get into all of it. Welcome back to the show, Adam. Great to have you.

Hey, Megan. It's so good to be here. You know, it's funny because in getting ready for this, our longer interview, I was actually going back. I was looking at old interviews you did and so on. And I don't know how I forgot about the hair. I don't know how I forgot about the huge, I don't know. I know you describe it as a mullet. I think that's a little too ungenerous. It was just like 80s rocker hair. Well, okay. First of all, if I ever write a book, it will be held hostage by my hair because I truly was just a hostage to that thing. So the whole concept when I went to MTV, just a little bit before I went to MTV,

was what Merv Griffin always says. People with big heads are very successful on television. Big head, little body, I heard. This is a small... Now, that's more mullet than anything. But I don't have a big head. And at the time it was, you know, 80s. So it's hard to grow the hair. But I have really soft kind of flaccid Mona Lisa like hair when it's wet. I've never heard a man willingly use the word flaccid to describe himself. It takes a real man, Meg.

It takes a real man. And so I had, you know, it would take me 30 minutes. Actually, my ex-wife at the time, she would do that. my hair, I would literally have to sleep very still in the bed. I have to take a shower, kind of avoiding any water streams. It was horrendous. So when I finally figured it out that this was a captive situation, I cut it off. But up until the big hair, there were a few moments there, like the one you showed with Tina Turner, where I think it was borderline mullet. I think the Tina Turner shot did look a little mullety. But the one I'm thinking about is you

on the plane with all the bands going to Moscow is like Ozzy Osbourne, Skid Row, Bon Jovi. I actually think we have a clip. We pulled a clip of you talking to Oz. Oh, no, let's do the one of him. Yeah, okay. Wait. I'm trying to see because we pulled a bunch of them. I want to see the one that best captures the hair. Let's just do the one with Ozzy because that's interesting and it's all right, too. Soundbite 2, let's play it.

Headbangers Ball continues from the Magic Bus on our way to the Soviet Union. And no strangers to the ball Of course Ozzie and Zach guys good to have you aboard Are we actually flying is the question I haven't checked recently I don't know what what the pilots doing there, but these planes are no office on automatic pilot Because I've no humans. I thought you were flying it. I think I was at one point. See, you were in good state. Everybody had hair like that.

Yeah, first of all, the height of my journalistic career there, obviously. These questions, riveting. Yeah, but that was the thing. Everybody had the hair, and everyone started to go a little shorter after that. And it was just part of what it was. That was the vibe. And, of course, it's fun to look at it now. But man, even though it was painful all those years, I am so happy.

And please note, 57, still have hair. Very, very pleased with the hair. It looks good. It looks good, too. It looks like your own. 100% my own. That's impressive. You know, I love the clip because it starts off, if you watch the whole thing, it's on

YouTube and people can do it, with you interviewing the guys from, I think it was Skid Row. Correct. And I knew the one guy from Gilmore Girls. Are you aware he went on to act in Gilmore Girls? I'm pretty sure they got the, he was very beautiful. He had very long blonde hair. And I'm pretty sure they got he was very beautiful. He had very long blonde hair. Are you talking about David? Is that his name? I think he went

on to star in Gilmore Girls. Well, David Sutcliffe, who is actually a friend, he was Rory on Rory's dad on Gilmore Girls. Why do I know these things? Wait, no. Rory's dad was Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. Yes, you're right. But there's a different guy who came and joined Rory's best friend's band.

Oh, no, that was Sebastian. Sebastian Bach joined the band in the series. Okay. What was he from? Which band was he in? He's from Skid Row. He's the lead singer. Okay, so I'm right.

Yeah, but he was in there as. You're right. Yeah, okay. Now now i was a little confused when you said that because i happen to know david sutcliffe um but yeah it was sebastian bach who then was in the band in uh in why do i know this megan that was our lockdown series we watched the i'd never watched it it would never appeal to me while i said come on let's watch you like it and i loved it in fact i loved so much. We kind of moved to Star Hollow out in the Texas Hill Country. So I got pulled into it because my daughter was sort of looking for a show and I didn't know if it was going to be appropriate for her.

So I kind of gave it a look. See first an episode or two. And it was seemed totally wholesome. And we watched it together. It was such a nice experience. And then now I know a lot of moms who watch this show and dads, too, with their daughters. It's just sort of a nice I don't know. It's not totally wholesome, but mostly. What did you think about the 10 years later, the short series they did after that when they're all older? I enjoyed that, too, just because if you're a fan of the show, you know, and I like the fact that it went back to the original writer and show creator and she got her final say on her characters you know who were sort of taken away from her in the last season but there's always something a little sad about seeing them older and fatter yeah and that's like with sex in the city i have to admit uh we've been following that it's uh it's kind of jarring it's not at all what you thought it was i don't frankly i don't think people like that that much in general. You don't really want to be reminded of if they're aging,

that must mean you're aging. And if they don't look quite as good, it must mean you don't. Whenever they say, hey, Adam, come do the 80s cruise. We'll pay you handsomely. You get to go on the cruise ship. I'm like, are you insane? No, that's pathetic. I love celebrating what we did, but I'm not going to sit there and talk about, you know, oh, the great times at MTV. No, we have to move on a little bit.

Yeah. Well, you know what else? It's like we Gen Xers need to live in the present because they need us now more than ever. We are so important to fighting the cultural battles that are going on right now. We're the ones who remember when it was normal and who have the spines to fight back. Yes. And I'm actually a boomer adjacent. I'm from 1964. So we are the gen. I identify with Gen X, but I recently learned that I can classify myself as a doomer optimist. A doomer optimist. You are right between, right? Because like my mom's generation is the true boomer she was

born in 41 i was born in 70 so i'm a true gen xer and that's that 60s group that's my brother and sister yeah what is that well we don't really fit in anywhere um you know we we were probably waking up in the middle of the night woken up in the middle of the night to see uh the moon landing and didn't really understand much. And, but we were, we came into a country that had just had the assassination of JFK. So it was, it was a very, very weird time.

And I think probably a lot of kids my age and that, that, you know, mid to late sixties probably had very stressful parents, stressed out parents at the time. Right. Because that was truly when women understood they could, quote, have it all, which meant you have to do all the home care that you used to do. Plus, you have to work

outside of the home full time and then say it's easy and you're nailing it and get no help from anybody. Well, that's interesting you say that. Yeah, I guess so. I guess it was also the time when moms hotboxed you in the car with their cigarettes. That's what I remember the most. Totally. Moms and dads. My dad had a VW Bug, a black VW Bug, which by the way, we drove from Syracuse to Orlando, Florida when I was 10. And he and she both smoked with the three of us in there the entire way. I'll never see 60. Don't say that. I've been a lifelong smoker. I've cut back pretty much altogether on the tobacco, except when I mix it in with something else. But I think that I was really my mom smoked when she was pregnant with me.

Mine too. Quite, yeah. But she says, oh, but never in the first trimester. I'm like, what? What sense does that make? Thanks, mom. Was that the advice then from the Fauci at the time? Exactly.

There's a picture of my mom when she's pregnant with my brother or sister. They were born in 64 and 65 with like a martini kind of resting on her pregnant belly i'm like excellent excellent it defines us doesn't it yeah well you know we go through these cycles where we're just hyper about don't do this and don't do this and i wonder if we're gonna relax a little after this crazy covid mania for two're going to relax a little after this crazy COVID mania for two years, like just relax a little like moderation. Well, no, I don't think that's, I don't think that's in the cards because we need to have a few more crises. We can't leave this

crisis state alone. It's too compelling. It works too well for too many different groups, certainly industries. I mean, it's just, it's a beautiful situation. If you can just keep the crisis going right now, I think we've shifted a bit to the testing crisis and you see it. I see it around me. You probably see it in New York. Even people who are very rational and understand omicron maybe not being as uh as severe of course it's exceptions i'm no doctor disclaimer disclaimer um but still they've gotten hyped up and all jacked about i need a test i need i need i just have to i gotta have tests at home it's kind of it's almost like paper towels now. And that incentivizes the government to go buy tests. I

think we just spent $179 million on tests that we're apparently giving to schools. And every school, every child gets a test to take home every night. People have to work, can't get them. It feels a little artificial and certainly something that could have been avoided. We do love crisis. We love drama. I cannot believe the number of people who are leaning into drama and crisis and seem to need it like the addiction to a drug. I mean, I knew of them prior to this. I remember looking around being like, would you settle, just as Hemmer used to say, my pal on Fox, Sim the Murr. It's just Sim the Murr. And I was never one of those people. And I think it actually helped me in the news business because I never really, you know, there'd be terrible, terrible things where you'd really get stressed out like the

Newtown tragedy. Right. But for me, it took that level to really, you know, kind of stress me out or make me not be able to let go of the news cycle. These people, I mean, the insanity coming out of New York City every day, Adam, you know, I talked about this the other day, but like my friends there send me these texts every day. These moms who won't let their kids ride in the car of another mom,

unless the other mom swears that she'll put all of the windows down and everyone inside that car will be masked. Well, they're driving around three year olds. It's like, you've got to be kidding me. Your kid's going to be fine. Calm down. It's OK. In Texas, we had a mom stick her kid in the trunk.

You know, she didn't want to drive through the testing site. She didn't she didn't want to catch the coup. Is that just I mean, I never know. Is it like fear or is that just stupidity? Is that just some stupid moron who we shouldn't cover in the news? Oh, no, I think this is this is fear. And the fear is doing something wrong. There's an incredible shame element to what is taking place. And that has part to do with also, I think, people are finding this is a great purpose for them in life, their job, their environment may just not, they may not feel like they have purpose. But when it comes to this type of, it's not really insanity, but the fear is that you catch it. And I've heard this from friends of mine personally,

even really totally rational people who just felt that shame. Now, many of them break out of it. This is a beautiful moment when that happens, because then you start to look around and go, hold on a second, there's a lot of other things that are kind of weird that's going on. I had tunnel vision. So I believe that's fear of the shame of screwing up, which, of course, is ludicrous because you can't stop that from happening. It's the fear of the shame of screwing up. And also my best sentence structure. No, but I got you. But but I also think there's like they've settled into sanctimony in a lot of these pockets. They're enjoying feeling like they're better into sanctimony in a lot of these pockets they're enjoying feeling like they're better than the great unwashed masses no i don't think so i that no it feels

like this just again it's a purpose you know we're we're in this horrible situation we now know this and we're not going back to the way it, or at least that this is what we're being told. This is the new normal. And it's well, let's just let's just call it out. We have world leaders at the moment, three that I can I can mention who are causing this. One is our own president, Biden, who is saying this is consistently saying this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, which is demonstrably at this point not true. You have Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau saying, hey, you know, the people who aren't vaccinated, they're anti I'm paraphrasing, but it's pretty close. They're anti-vaxxers. A lot of them are misogynists and racists. And then we have President Macron of France saying, hey, I want to piss off the unvaccinated. So this is licensed. And this is just as coordinated as a message. It's like a bugle call. It's okay to do

this. It's okay to go after these people. And again, I think a lot of people are very fearful. They feel like it's a fight. The only way out is to condemn the unvaccinated. They're to blame. Look, that's what the president says. And it gives them a real purpose. I don't think it's it's this. I don't think it's anything else but that. It gives people purpose and fight and and they actually are in their hearts doing the right thing. sanctimony on the pages of the paper and in the on the on the television with people being so disgusted by the unvaxxed yeah that to me there there is a degree of sanctimony they think they're enjoying feeling like they're better than it's an extension of the deplorables and saying everybody who is you know supporter of president trump never mind it at the capitol on january 6th there's a terrorist and and to, nothing embodies it better than this column by

Michael Hiltzik in the LA Times. Hiltzik. We've covered this guy before. This is a guy who got in trouble. He got suspended, if I'm not mistaken. He's a troll. He's a known troll. He's a total troll. But he writes for the LA Times, and he's supposedly well-respected. He's one of our elites. Don't you understand, Adam?

And he went on. He was going on to his own blog. He got in trouble and, like, posting comments onto his own blog. And then he'd go and he's supposedly well respected. He's one of our elites. Don't you understand, Adam? And he went, he was going onto his own blog. He got in trouble and like posting comments onto his own blog. And then he'd go and he'd rip on conservatives on other people's blogs, but not under his real name

because he doesn't have the stones to do it. He was fired for it. Yeah. And he was in serious trouble. And now he's finally found the stones to write under his real name. And I think he was right the first time. He should have stayed anonymous

because this moron's piece in the LA Times yesterday is basically defending, mocking the death of what he calls anti-vaxxers, okay? But you should be aware, he is lumping in with anti-vaxxers, not that that's okay, but he's lumping in people who are against vaccine mandates to your point of expanding the definition. Right. Like it's not just people who don't like the vaxes. It has to be people who are anti-mandate. They're bad, too. And he and he's not alone in this took aim at Kelly Earnby. This poor gal, I think she was 44 years old. She just died of COVID. She,

they describe her as a prominent orange County Republican deputy district attorney. And what was her sin? She advocated against vaccine mandates. Now we know thanks to her husband, she was unvaxxed. We did not know that when all of the attacks launched against her, it was enough that she just was against mandates For all these newspapers to do articles about her death

as though it told us something about society, that a lawyer who didn't believe in mandates had died of COVID and somehow that meant something. What did it mean? She was wrong to oppose mandates? She should have imposed a mandate on herself? Like, what are you saying? The average 44-year-old, even unvaccinated, has a very low

risk of COVID. They're going to be outliers. People understand that. And I believe the vaccines probably would have lessened her chances of death greatly. She chose not to get them. That's her choice. Now we know she didn't take the vax because her husband got online to correct the terrible misinformation being put out there about her. Some people who are anti-vaccine are saying, oh, she died right after she got the vaccine. That's a lie. Some people who are pro-vaccine are saying she died because she was anti-mandate. Well, no. But I'm sure not getting the vaccine, which does prevent, it helps prevent severe disease and death in the case of COVID, was not a great thing for her. Well, it was her choice. So this guy, Hiltzik, writes in his piece, all right, Adam? This is King Hiltzik. To begin with, let's stipulate that not all people who

are unvaccinated against COVID are alike. Some have remained unvaccinated for legitimate medical reasons. They may be children for whom the COVID vaccines haven't yet been officially ruled safe or people with genuine medical reasons for avoiding the vaccine. Some may have legitimately faced obstacles in getting to a vaccination site and receiving the full series of shots before becoming exposed to the disease. Thank you, Sire. Thank you for sire for acknowledging some of the unvaccinated are still good people. But then he goes on and the deaths of those victims, by the way, are truly lamentable, the truly lamentable ones. But now there's going to be a distinction drawn by by the king here. He says. It may be not a little ghoulish to celebrate or exalt in the deaths of vaccine opponents, and it may be proper to express sympathy and solicitude to those they leave behind.

But mockery is not necessarily the wrong reaction to those who publicly mocked anti-COVID measures and encouraged others to follow suit. So now just mocking any of Dr. Fauci's protocols entitles you to mockery upon your death. They can revel in your death. Before they perished of the disease, the dangers of which they belittled. She didn't do that. She didn't like mandates. So far, I haven't seen evidence that Kelly belittled the dangers of the disease. Nor is it wrong, he continues, to deny them our sympathy and solicitude. Again, with a solicitude. Or to make sure it's known when their deaths are marked

that they had stood fast against measures that might have protected others from the fate they succumbed to themselves. There may be no other way to make sure that the lessons of these teachable moments are heard. What we need to do is shame the dead, unvaccinated Americans amongst us. This is sick. Well, this kind of proves my point what we were talking about earlier. The sin of this poor woman was not for being against mandates or not accepting the vaccination into her life. Her sin was she's a Republican. And let's go back and look at the source. The source, as I said, a known troll admitted he was fired for three years. The Times hired him back.

Eventually, L.A. Times, I find, has problems in general. They've had intelligence assets who were reporting and writing for them, and they've been outed in recent years. There's all kinds of stuff going on there. But this guy who has written several books, I would say, with a globalist tint about how fantastic the robber barons and how the railroads were built. But he's a political reporter. So he's doing exactly what his beat is. This is a political story. You could have many different people. You could use any examples you want.

But, you know, he chooses this one. And he takes it straight to politics throughout the article. And I don't think he's qualified. Neither am I. But he's not qualified to talk about the medical aspects of it. But half of the article is, you know, more facts and data, et cetera. And unfortunately, this the real cynical part of this is exactly what we're seeing unfold before our very eyes. He is following orders from his leaders.

And in this case, let's just say it's the president. But I'm sure it goes all the way down. And this is the message. The message is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. We need to do everything we can to make that very, very clear. They are to blame. And it's a global rollout. So you'll see. And by the way, I speak fluent Dutch. I speak fluent Flemish for the Belgium. I can get by a little bit in German, French. I lose it.

But this is happening everywhere. This is not just America. This, some would call it othering, is taking place everywhere, right in front of our eyes. And there's, you know, if you think about the psychosis of it all, there's 30% of people probably in every country who are all in and totally radical about it and are out there fighting on social media and calling people out and getting people deplatformed. It's a big game and a game always has purpose. And there's 30% who just completely aren't buying it. I think we belong to that group. And in the middle is the 40%.

And right now they're still leaning heavily towards the previous group. But, you know, that's the fight, is who are we swaying? And when will that power tip a little bit to the other side on the scales? And I think, because again, it's all political, certainly in the United States, we're seeing now an interesting walk back. We're seeing even the very partisan governor of New York, Hochul, talking about, well, you know, let's just let's just be fair about these numbers. There are people in the hospital and, you know, who are there because of covid and just they were there and they were diagnosed with covid. So all these things are starting to unravel. Now we have this one of these mythical. Several experts are saying the administration is going backwards. This is you know, there's something going on here. Even Walensky was tripping all over herself. I saw ABC edit a piece where she was talking about how many people had died who were vaccinated and actually something that enhanced her story about how safe vaccines, the vaccines are.

They cut that out. So there's something going on. And I think it's to, you know, really put all the blame on President Biden. And God knows what the strategy is after that. Yeah, she told ABC, Rochelle Walensky, I believe that 75% of those who are vaccinated, who died from COVID, had at least four comorbidities. So she was trying to make the point that if you get the vaccine, you have a very, very low chance of dying from covid. And those who did who got the vaccine and nonetheless died had multiple medical issues, you know, that that contributed. And that is look, I heard somebody make having this discussion the other day, and I thought it was a good way of looking at the vaccine. You know, maybe it's a misnamed, but it's it's almost like a therapeutic at this point. You know, it doesn't prevent you from getting COVID, but it's got a great chance of preventing you from dying or suffering severe

disease. Now we actually have pills and therapeutics you can take once you get diagnosed with COVID that will do that too. But they're kind of hard to get. You have to take them right after you've been like early on in your COVID saga. So, you know, can you, will you know, can you get there? The vaccines are more like, I got it and I've checked that box, but that's, that's all they do. They don't prevent the spread of covid even the cdc is admitting that now with omicron it does make me wonder whether the shaming is going to stop now adam you know like whether do they do these people calm down because my not getting the vaccine doesn't affect you at all it doesn't it doesn't make me spread it by the way i did get the vaccine but it doesn't make me spread it you know i mean the people around you who didn't get it they're

not spreading it any more than the people who did get it. It's their own medical decision. Yes, they may wind up in the hospital. Yes, they may quote, take a bed, right? But so are the heavy people taking bets. So are the people who have diabetes taking bets and who may have brought it on from improper eating and so on, diabetes induced by tons of sugar, whatever. My point is simply, will it calm people down now that they know we're all spreading it triple vaxxed, quadruple vaxxed or not vaxxed? No, because the powers that be will continue to push crisis because they do not want to rescind any emergency measures. The money printing press is, which is metaphorically speaking, is running in overtime and ready to do more as soon as more legislation can get passed.

You know, we're already seeing maybe there's some new version coming out of China. Xi'an is still locked down, but oh, now maybe there's some hemorrhagic fever that is a part of that, which is a completely different beast altogether. And, you know, when it comes to protection and treatments, you know, the effectiveness of the Pfizer pill is not all, even by their own admission, is not super great. The monoclonal antibodies, which seems to be working very well, friends of mine have had it and it fixed them like really quickly, like two days. Those are being held back and many states don't have them at all. And I've seen, I've personally seen emails within state health systems where they say, look, you know, the Biden administration is cutting back on this and they're rationing it, which is ridiculous because it's very easy to make. We're cutting back on it. But, you know, there's this

great alternative, which is the Pfizer pill, which the U.S. government also just spent 490 billion dollars buying pills to hand out to everybody. So it's just a continuous thing. And everyone who's close to the money is benefiting. So it doesn't behoove anyone, and certainly not the media business who are captured by the pharmaceutical industry, to give anyone any other impression. You will be continuously nudged into a state of fear. There's no letting up. And it'll be something new tomorrow if all of a sudden we all snap out of it, which I don't see any evidence of. I'm interested. I take your point and I agree with it on imposing fear and continuing the fear and the people making big money off of this pandemic. And Pfizer is one of them, no question. But all the data I have seen heard anybody, you know, taking issue with the effectiveness of the therapeutic, the Pfizer therapeutic.

I have, but I'm not qualified to discuss it. But I heard the same thing about the vaccinations. Well, the vaccines are doing a good job preventing serious disease or death. That wasn't what we were promised. We were literally promised you won't have to wear a mask you won't get covid i mean yeah it's watered down by now but that was clearly the message agreed even the president i mean president biden said that in july if you take the vaccines you will not get covid and by the way that that didn't just become untrue with omicron it was also untrue with delta hello way, that that didn't just become untrue with Omicron. It was also untrue with Delta. Hello, breakthrough infections that Paul once again taking on Dr. Fauci in the Senate, questioning just today over Fauci's emails, showing a coordinated campaign to take down the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration.

You know these guys like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, who comes on the show all the time, and his two co-authors, Harvard, Stanford. No, they've got to go. They've got to be ruined and destroyed. We'll pick it up in just a minute. Just for folks, we mentioned this last time you were on. We didn't actually play the clip. I'm sure you've seen it a million times. But just for folks who doubt that you really were the podfather, are the podfather, and were recognized as such by even Steve Jobs. Let's play the clip of Steve Jobs playing Adam's podcast back in 2005, beaming with pride over what you had managed to figure out how to do online. If you were to eventually get into selling paid audio stuff.

Well, you could try to sell podcasts, but the whole phenomenon is so great, it's free. And I think what we're going to see is an advertising-supported model emerge just like free radio. Here's another one. Adam Curry is one of the guys that invented podcasting. And he has a podcast called The Daily Source. Let me go ahead and subscribe to that. And we can go listen to his latest one.

You know, just click on it. That's your Daily Source code, show number 180. I've actually had to restart the show three times. My Mac has been acting up like a motherfucker. I don't know what's going on. I think it's something to do with the file system. Okay. How do you control, say, dirty stuff? I mean, what do you do?

We're going to have an explicit flag on these like we do the music so you can know if it's explicit. Awesome. You know what I like about that clip the most, Megan, is at the end, Kara Swisher. Here's a here's something revolutionary. Steve is clearly jacked about it. And the first thing that comes to her mind is how do we keep the bad stuff away? How do we control it? Steve is so lame. But then she goes on to say, so you'll make it easier for me to find it. So she does it. She

takes a hit at herself a little bit, like she's going to be looking for the dirty stuff. But I love that. I mean, you really were. And I know you met with Steve Jobs and you saw this technology and said, hey, I have a great idea. When I look back at your background, Adam, it's like you were meant for that moment and for this. You started broadcasting at a very young age in the Netherlands. Your parents let you lie about your age so you could get a job at a radio station, as I understand it. And then the next thing you knew, MTV was calling. How did they even find you? Because weren't you still in the Netherlands when they called you? Yeah. And I confirm my career or my hobbies really have always been broadcasting and technology. And I've always been kind of a tinkerer. So I had been, my career went from

building my own transmitter as a 13 year old, having my mom drive around the block, see how far the signal went to the lying part was about, there was a hospital radio station, closed circuit, but it was very professional. So I was very excited. You had to be 16. I auditioned and I was 15 and they said, it's okay. You can do that. It was, you know, it was just a volunteer work, but I mean, we had the key to the studio so we could do a lot of stuff. And there I met a lot of people who were doing big pirate radio stations in Amsterdam, where at the time in this predominantly socialist country, they had government controlled radio, government controlled television, and they had a popular music station, which at that point was still kind of playing polka music. And meanwhile, the pirate radio stations were in Amsterdam and they were playing import records from Chicago warehouse and all kinds of cool stuff. And I just wanted to be on the radio and they had a big signal. And, um, and then from

there, um, I eventually got on that things changed very much, uh, in the landscape politically and in the media landscape, some, some, uh, different groups were allowed to use the government airwaves. I got drafted into that. And then suddenly I was doing really the number one music television show in all of Europe. And that was called Countdown. That's where that picture of Tina Turner is from. That was still in the Netherlands because Holland was seen as the gateway to Europe. So when you came into Holland, that's where you were going to do your distribution of your records.

And there was this great show who had an American host who could speak some English and would let you either perform, they could do live interviews, you know, uh, music videos, of course it was live, which was crazy. It was really intense, like, uh, you know, uh, 12 camera live show, uh, for an hour. And I was 19 when I started to do that. Um, and at that time, uh, uh, the European Broadcasting Union, who puts on the Eurovision Song Contest every year, they came out with Europa Television, which was a pan-European satellite collaboration. And every country would contribute some programming. And we contributed the music programming. So that now was all of a sudden on satellite all over Europe. And you had countries like Portugal who were dirt poor. I mean,

there was nothing going on before all the big EU money. And they were rebroadcasting this on their government television station. So all of a sudden you had kids in Portugal who were watching Bon Jovi videos and they would send postcards and I'd read their postcards on television. They were flipping out. They couldn't believe what was happening. This was just a crazy revolution. And MTV was trying to get MTV Europe launched. And I'm not quite sure, but someone saw me and they were refreshing the whole VJ lineup.

I wasn't one of the originals, contrary to popular belief. But I came in right when they were going to basic cable, which meant 40 million households, a little more professional, which is funny because it wasn't. And they called me up, literally Steve Leeds, who works at Sirius, who is still one of my dear friends. He called up and said, hey, you want to come work for MTV? And I said, where? He said, He called up and said, hey, you want to come work for MTV? And I said, where? He said, New York. I said, yeah, sure. When do you need me there? And I was gone within two, three months.

I mean, it was fantastic. Wow. We have a clip from back in the day. This is 1989. This is Headbangers Ball, right? This is from your MTV days and captures the hair, among other flavors of the time. Watch it. Soundbite one. We'll lock the door and tie the furniture down because we're about to blow out three

hours of nonstop metal. Tonight on the ball, you'll get the world premiere of the new Wasp video, Forever Free. This hour, it's music from Mr. Big, Queensryche, Blue Murder, and Vintage Metal with the Leopards Photograph and Ozzy's Crazy Train. The Metal Detector

checks out Blue Murder's new video, Jelly Roll, and the latest controversy surrounding the King Diamond Camp. Yo, that's amazing. The jacket, the hair, the swagger, right? There's a little swagger.

That kind of goes with it, too. Well, it was kind of a cool show. And I don't know if you were a Headbangers Ball watch, maybe you were more Club MTV or, you know, maybe Alternative Nation. I was more like Holiday. I was that young girl. Right. I got you.

Wubba, wubba, wubba. The Headbangers Ball was kind of a weird spot because most of the videos, which were heavily edited by MTV at the time, just had too much satanic messaging and whatever creepy stuff. But after midnight Saturday, it was really three hours. That's when a lot of stuff, you know, really the watershed moment had passed. So you could air a lot more of that. And they asked me to do it. And I've, I'm not really a super metal head, but I have always appreciated the musicianship because some of it is really, really outstanding. Many of the,

the metal performers and even thrash metal are classically trained, just incredibly good. And it turns out most of these guys are cool. And it's all, of course, it's kind of an act. You know, in the 70s, we put our disco glitter stuff on. In the 80s, we had punk and ska and we had our skinny black ties and black and white stuff. So, of course, it was part of the show. It was part of what it was. But I have friendships still with a lot of these guys and, uh, and gals too,

actually. And, and, you know, it was, it was a fun little niche that we had, which was very popular, um, in the country, you know, people love this, but people really were listening to much larger proportion than it got on air. And that was all because again, the basic cable, the, you know, self-censorship of MTV, there was a lot of stuff going on. Um, so, you know, am I a full on full blown metal head? No, but, um, I'd listened to, uh, there's a cool station here in the hill country, which is, uh, uh, the rock of Texas in Kerrville. And they still have, you know, they play all this stuff still, and they still have a morning show with, you know, they got the bell and all that stuff. And it's fantastic and just

crank that. And I can't help myself. I hear the songs like, oh, yeah, I remember this. This is cool. You know, I don't know a ton of musicians, but a couple of ones I do know are a little bit more, you know, aggressive in their their approach to rock or have been in the past, like Richie Sambora who was also on that flight and you interviewed to Moscow um and Kid Rock and I what I've known what I've noticed about these guys over the years is they are so sweet off camera I mean they have a wild side for sure and they know how to entertain an audience but like just gentle like gentle, fun, kind, sweet, loving, especially Richie. My God, he is like the nicest human or one of them.

I've had the pleasure of meeting whose name is well known. You just you wouldn't know it from most of the stuff you hear about him or reading the papers about him. And I'm going to ask you who you feel that way about right after this break. That's what we call a tease, ladies and gentlemen. Adam Curry's coming back in one minute. Don't go away. So much more to go over. And don't forget, in the meantime, you can find The Megyn Kelly Show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111.

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Check it out. All right. Who is it? The person who behind the scenes we would be shocked to realize how much different they are from their public profile. Oh, Alice Cooper, I would say, would be top of my list. Of course, it's all old people that I remember. Alice Cooper, man, what a mensch. He's just a super, super sweet, generous guy. And on stage, although over the years, you know, we've seen him more at celebrity golf tournaments and we've kind of gotten the clue. But I would say, yeah, that's the one I was disappointed in because I did have a disappointment early in my career.

There was one artist I was so excited to meet him and interview him. And that was Brian Adams, the cougar from Vancouver. And he was the top of his game. You know, he did the duet with Tina Turner and it was just and he had the summer of 69 was top of the charts. And maybe it was because he was on the road and stuff gets weird on the road. But I was so excited and he was just so aloof and such a dick.

Oh my God, why do the interview? I can't believe it. It's still, to this day, still bothers me. Yeah, I had one of those with Bruce Willis one time and I was like, well, why'd you come on here? Why did you sit for the interview if you're gonna be this much of a prick? Okay, Michael Jackson.

I have a nice story. Wait, I want to hear that, but I also want to ask you about this, because Michael Jackson, you met and interviewed him, and there's a clip of him next to you at the MTV Video Vanguard Awards in 1988 that I understand there's a cool story behind. We're going to play it. Listen. Adam Curry here on Location in the Valley for an event that will

go down in video history. Yes, the hair. The presentation of the Video Vanguard Artist of the Decade Award. Every year at the MTV Video Music Awards, we honor those artists whose work has left a lasting mark on the world of video. And we're here today to hand out the big one, the MTV Video Vanguard Artist of the Decade Award.

And to call a recipient worthy is an understatement of epic proportion believe me this guy really deserves it every single time we think we see the matter's best he just goes out and tops himself all over again i'm talking of course about the one and only michael jackson and i'd like to let the president head honcho and chief executive officer take it over from here tom preston go ahead tom thank, Tom. Thank you, Adam. So on behalf of MTV and our audience, I'm thrilled to present you, the biggest selling recording artist of all time, with the award for MTV's Video Vanguard of the Decade. We can't wait to see what you have planned for us in the 90s. Congratulations. Very beautiful. Thank you very, very much.

Okay. The production value is a little low on the decorating. But tell us, there was something about him and his insecurity when it comes to his height in that clip. Well, there was a couple of things about that. First of all, that is Adam Curry road hair when no one was there to help me. You can tell it looks like crap. I see the aquanet. It's not the, the Michael Jackson interview hair day I was hoping for. Um, so MTV, as they, as most media

works had done a deal with, uh, with Michael's record company. And the deal was he had to perform on the video music awards. And, um, and of course we wanted the premier premiere of the video, et cetera. And, uh, they came back and said, OK, that's fine. But then you have to give Michael an award and it needs to be an award with his name on it. So the technical name is the Michael Jackson Video Vanguard Award of the Year, which they kind of dropped, I think, once J-Lo got it. And that had to be mentioned in every single segment. So anyway, a part of that was, okay, we have to give this award. Tom Freston, the CEO, by the way, another lovely guy. I love Tom Freston. They're like, okay, you got to fly out to LA and you got to do this award. And I'm like, well, hold on a second. My child is about to be born.

I'm not going anywhere. I'm not leaving New York. This could happen any day now. And this became a problem because Michael had said, no, I want Adam Curry to give it to me. Why? I don't know. But I was, of course, honored. I said, but I love Michael. But no, no, because this is my first kid. I know what's going to happen. MTV wound up flying my then mother-in-law, Enon Concord from Europe, just in case I wasn't going to be there. And then I whisked out to Los Angeles and it was really, it was in the MJJ studios. It was a really interesting experience and come in in the

morning and there must've been 30 kids there. And in the middle of these kids is Howie Mandel doing his whole Bobby world voice in real time. And I don't know what that was about, but I was like, wow, this is kind of cool. This is a great place for kids to hang out. There's the Bobby's world voice. Um, and then we wait for, for, uh, Michael to come in and we're all set up. We got the crew, Tom Freston's ready. Um, Mike comes in and he stands in between us, as you saw on that shot. And then all of a sudden he calls, I think Bob was named name, his guy, big Bob comes over and it's like a little whispering going on. Bob, hold on a second, everybody. Bob comes back with

an apple crate. So Michael, who was not, I mean, I'm six five. Certainly at the time I may have shrunk a bit. He's maybe six, six feet, six one, but he needed to have that height. Otherwise didn't feel comfortable. And then we had another stop because someone noticed that his pants weren't shiny enough. So they had to Windex them before we could continue. So he was standing on an apple crate in that, in that exchange. So he could look like he was almost as tall as you. There's video of it. You can actually see that he's standing on the apple crate.

Oh my gosh. I miss him though. I miss him. What a guy. I know. I know. standing on the apple crate yeah oh my gosh i miss him though i miss him what what a guy i know i know he's like truly one of the most if not the most like talented performer we've had in in the world it's certainly in my lifetime um you know there's like only three whose names come to mind i mean it's funny because we just brushed past tina and i just introduced tina turner's music to my daughter in particular yesterday we somebody drove by us with the license plate respect and she was like, what's that? And I was, oh, it's from a song by Aretha Franklin. And she's like, well, who's that? And I said, oh, let me play you the song. Let me, let's play some Aretha. So we did. And she loved it. She was rocking out. And I was like, now speaking of great songs that you don't know about, let's talk about Tina Turner, where I had just performed one of her numbers via karaoke over our holidays, our Christmas holidays. I'm embarrassed to tell you I attempted Proud Mary, Adam. Which one, Megan? Proud Mary. I did some Proud Mary and I did not do her Proud or myself, but I tried. And there is nothing like you could listen to Tina's slow version.

You could listen to Tina and Ike do the slow and then the fast version of Proud Mary. You could listen to Angela Bassett, you know, mouthing the Tina Turner version and, you know, that performance that she did in the movie about Tina Turner's life. And all of that visually, audio, all of it makes you just want to get up dance and celebrate her and i was explaining to her and then later my boys about how there's not that many artists in the world especially in music business where it's just down to one name um she's absolutely one of them there's there's just no other there's tina have you seen the documentary that is currently out of uh tina turner's life wait there's a new one? Oh, it may be old. Maybe I just hadn't seen it,

but it's kind of her farewell documentary. Oh, right. It's the last one. I haven't seen it. No. Oh, it's well worth watching. I really adore Tina Turner. I had a lunch with her

when she was over in Europe at the time. And this was when she was kind of um you know she'd been she's married to a german guy record guy ex-record guy uh she was in europe a lot in fact that's where most of her career she made a lot of her you know her early days they had to tour europe with ike certainly and um she had this it was the day of you know mad max beyond thunderdome and she kind of had this i'm do you not of Mad Max, Beyond Thunderdome. And she kind of had this, Tina Turner, she had a bit of that accent that she had going on, if you recall. But then during this lunch, all of a sudden, oh, hello, Annie Mae Bullock.

And she was just totally, she kind of let it all down for a moment there. It was really beautiful to watch. She's a very sweet lady. Very, very sweet. Wow. I'm so jealous that you got to meet her. I can't believe she's 82 now. It's hard to believe, like,

Tina Turner. The greatest was, like, every clip we pulled up of her, that incredible body, her legs, her ripped arms. Then you see Angela Bassett, and it's like they couldn't have found somebody better to play her. You know, she, too, had the ripped body and the arms and captured her and the pizzazz. It just makes you, it makes me want to live my next life

as Tina Turner's backup dancer and do it shake my tail feathers baby okay so let's get back to something newsy just for a second because it's kind of fun interweaving um rand paul is pommeling dr fauci it just ended on capitol hill when these two go at it ratings fly on cable news. I'm going to start with my own bias on this. I truly believe Dr. Fauci should sit there and say, I understand. I understand. You know, he can defend himself mildly, but to attack Rand Paul undermines faith in the apolitical nature of his office. Right. We're supposed to all be on Team Fauci. We're not. But his own partisanship and that of his CDC director as well, the CDC director, undermines even further our faith in our public health officials. So here I'm going to show you one of the soundbites. They're arguing over everything. This is basically a hearing on top health experts testify regarding federal response to covid variants. So they've pulled him in front of the Senate to talk about what we're doing. And this is an exchange in which this is soundbite to Dr. Fauci's accusing Rand Paul of distorting the truth and a back and forth that follows. Watch. We are here at a committee to look at a virus now that has killed almost 900,000 people.

And the purpose of the committee was to try and get things out, how we can help to get the American public. And you keep coming back to personal attacks on me that have absolutely no relevance to reality. Do you think anybody has had more influence over this than you have? Do you think it's a great success? Do you think it's a great success what's happened so far? Do you think lockdowns are good for our kids? Do you think we slowed down the death rate? More people have died now under President Biden than did under President Trump. You are the one responsible you are the architect you are the lead architect for the response from the government and now 800 000 people have died right do you think it's a winning success what you've advocated for

government uh fauci then went after rand paul and suggested that he's been getting death threats because of in irresponsible rhetoric and saying that Rand Paul has been fundraising off of his attacks on Fauci and did this sort of long song and dance about how Rand is doing that. Rand went back at him and so on and so forth. So what do you make of the dynamic? And I don't just have Fauci. And we could show you some other clips to where he just gets aggressive against Rand Paul, who's been aggressive against him. I admit, just don't just a Fauci. And we could show you some other clips to where he just gets aggressive against Rand Paul, who's been aggressive against him. I admit, just don't know if it's appropriate in response. Well, this is like an MMA fight.

This is a this is a cage match and it's an ongoing one doesn't end with one match. And first, I just need to address when both gentlemen are talking about 900000 people have died from this. That's just patently false. And those numbers, we all know that people have died and they had COVID, but they didn't die from COVID. That's just now that's just now been put. Even Rand Paul is doing it. Well, it's 800000. No, gentlemen, neither. People who really died from COVID is much, much lower. But OK, that's that's where we're at now with the political discourse. What's going on here, in my opinion, is Rand Paul has the goods on Dr. Fauci. The goods are with new information just coming out today. Fauci lied. The gain of research did happen.

It was subcontracted through Peter Daszak's company. What's new is that this has a DARPA element, Defense Advanced Research Project Agency. It looks a lot like this is a bioweapon that was engineered. You can't do it in America. So they did it in China. They did it with Chinese scientists, maybe with CCP. What intent is unknown, but it's a very dangerous practice. And everyone's trying to cover up for this. And Fauci knows what's going on. And Rand Paul knows as well. And Fauci knows that Rand Paul knows. And this is just a big theater show to get public opinion swayed one way or the next because the information is coming out and it will be quite damning. And I think that's all you're seeing. So yeah, you can throw it.

All's fair at this point. Throw it all in there. I watch C-SPAN religiously. All of these settings, most of the questions are known beforehand. It's a theater. Well, let me just say this. The information you just cited is from Project Veritas. It has not yet been confirmed. I love James O'Keefe, but he does make some factual mistakes from time to time. He also gets a lot of things right. So just want to underscore for the audience, we have not confirmed that. But it is confirmed at a minimum, at a minimum, that what many scientists describe as gain of function research was absolutely not only being done in that lab, but was being funded by us. Fauci wiggles out based on the technical definition of gain of function. That's how he attempts to wiggle out from having funded it.

We clearly gave money to a group run by Peter Daszak that was doing something that the average scientist would call gain of function. Fauci disputes it. And moreover, at a minimum, as Josh Rogin of The Washington Post has been pointing out, there's no chance Fauci can dispute the fact that we were funding research in a lab where the CCP was present, where there was a secret part of the lab, where there was a woman they called Bat Lady who did bat coronavirus research, including gain of function research. And we were looking, we weren't looking closely enough at a minimum, at a minimum best case scenario for us. We weren't supervising her or them or where our money was going. And now we have a virus that a lot of smart people say came from that lab. And those are the facts that we all have to deal with. So that that's what's real. And Fauci can get mad at Rand Paul and he can get mad at the press. But the truth is, he hasn't been totally forthcoming about his role in any of it. And people are angry because we have a press that looks the other way at him. They don't seem very interested in finding out exactly how this thing originated, whether we funded any piece of it or helped it in any way, what Peter Daszak was doing with our money. And Fauci just sits back there acting indignant.

Well, the press is in on it. In general, the media is captured. It's all a part of the same system. I don't see any change. This is just more for the game. You know, we throw this into social media. Everyone can get all outraged. Meanwhile, while this is happening, we're on the brink of a Cuban missile crisis situation with Russia. I think intentionally, I think we're doing it on purpose and no one's looking at what's really happening, which I think would even behoove our leaders to get people to be afraid of that because that is truly terrifying. It is actually disturbing what happened in Kazakhstan. And I realize the average person out there is like, where?

Because the news is not reporting on it. That's why the average person doesn't know. Don't you think most Americans, they only have so much bandwidth for problems in their lives. It's like, you know, like they're having to deal with the masks and the vaccines and the work shortages and the supply chain and the inflation and their, you know, the job, all that. And it's like, Kazakh who, what, what's happening again? But it is important. I actually do want to get to that. Let me squeeze in a couple more points on COVID and then we'll turn to that because Putin is up to no good. And now he's getting help from countries that were formerly part of the Soviet bloc. And Putin would like it to be a Soviet bloc again. And what are we doing about it? Are we too weak to actually stand up to him? So that's where I'll take it with you.

But before we get to that, one other thing. You know, Fauci was outed thanks to a FOIA request as going after he and Francis Collins, head of the NIH, going after the guys. Yeah, the Great Barrington doctors, really smart, thoughtful, earnest doctors from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford, who just all they said was, how about focused protection instead of lockdowns? How about we focus on the most vulnerable and the elderly and we think about it that way instead of, you know, vaccinating, mandating vaccines for children and closing businesses that shouldn't close and so on? Well, they were totally villainized on camera, yes, but also behind the scenes by design by Fauci and Collins. And that came up today with Rand Paul. Here's soundbite one. A planner who believes he is the science

leads to an arrogance that justifies in his mind using government resources to smear and to destroy the reputations of other scientists who disagree with him. In an email exchange with Dr. Collins, you conspire, and I quote here directly from the email, to create a quick and devastating published takedown of three prominent epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. Apparently, there's a lot of fringe epidemiologists at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford. Do you really think it's appropriate to use your $420,000 salary to attack scientists that disagree with you in usual fashion senator you are distorting everything about me did you ever object to dr collins's characterization of them as friends

did you write back to dr collins say no they're not friends they're esteemed scientists and it would be beneath me i did not do that you responded to him that you would do it and you immediately got an article in wire you sent it back to him and said, hey, look, I've got them. I nailed them in Wired of all scientific publications. That's not what went on. There you go again. You just do the same thing every year. That was your response. And this wasn't the only time. So your

desire to take down people... You're absolutely incorrect. As usual, Senator, you are incorrect almost everything you say. Well, no. It's not incorrect because it's documented black and white we know it from fauci's own emails back and forth with collins yep well um i don't like dr fauci and i haven't liked him since the 80s and 90s i hold him deborah burke's lieutenant commander whatever her rank is deborah burke's uh redfield cdc i hold

them personally responsible for the death of several of my friends and acquaintances during the AIDS crisis. Go read the Village Voice front page op-ed of how angry the gay community was at Fauci and withholding treatments. It's all the same stuff. And then just ignoring any other alternative form, vilifying and just plain out lying. It's well documented. These guys have

been doing this forever. And it's always the same answer. Vaccines, because you can make much more money treating people before they're sick. Get this though get this because now they've had to admit rochelle walensky did admit the vaccines don't stop the spread of covid now i mean they okay welcome to the party we've known that but she actually said it on camera and now the washington post is reporting that the cdc is considering updating its mask guidance and it will likely will likely advise people to opt for the highly protective N95 or KN95 masks worn by health care personnel if they can do so consistently, citing an official close to the deliberations. CDC guidance is expected to say that if people can, quote, tolerate wearing a KN95 or an N95 mask all day, you should. Now, the sad thing about that, I hear, OK, wiggle room. Great.

I won't be doing that. The sad thing about it is, as the mother of three children, you've got schools who are going to take that and say, N95s on your kids all day. N95s all day long. Our kids are barely making it through with the crappy cloth masks. And more and more we're seeing a push now for and ninety fives as the only masks that count for grownups and children alike. I'm not doing that. I am not doing that.

Well, then you will be seen as other because that's the entire point. First of all, these N95s for children, it's just anyone, you know, you have those blood oxygen level meters you can hook up to your smartphone. Get one of those and then wear that N95 and run for five minutes and then see what your blood oxygen level is like. It's pretty shocking. But this is just, I'm a believer in the discredited theory by Reuters and Associated Press of mass formation. And this is a perfect thing.

Another solution that is being handed to the people who are in a state of hypnosis, daze, confusion, extreme focus. It's clearly just another focal point that everybody gets. And I was like, okay, it's got to be N95. Where are the N95s? We're going to have a severe shortage of N95 masks. This is coming.

It's all going to be there. We're freaking out. It can't leave. Don't have the N95. Oh, you're not wearing the N95. Stay away from me. This is incredibly destructive for society. And I think people, you know, you saw the hashtag CDC says people are giving up on them.

They know it's bullcrap. So they're losing control of the narrative. And I think these are desperate moves to do anything they can to try and keep people in the state of of obedience people are going to start okay so i can't i can't go see a knicks game if i unless i have an n95 mask on my face all right i'll wear it and then you like they're going to poke a bunch of little holes in it like there's going to be people will find a way around all of this nonsense because there are things that we need to do that they're telling us we can't do unless we keep the damn masks on our face or we get vaccinated. And there's going to have to be end arounds because the vaccines don't stop the spread of covid. And I don't think

Americans have any more time with the masks on their face left in them. We're two years into this and they're talking about ramping them up instead of down. And I don't think people will stand for it, but, you know, it's going to be interesting. It's just divisive no matter no matter which way you look at it. And and it's questionable as to if that's going to help. And what happened to herd immunity? Isn't this the one isn't like, OK, it's kind of we're all kind of given up. We're all going to get it. Vax or unvax and most people will be OK. Isn't that the whole point? It's even been analyzed and seen as having similar characteristics to an attenuated vaccine. I mean, this is this is the one if you believe in the whole story of it, then this is the one that that you want to get to to have your immunity and to be done with it, which is also so-called natural immunity. It's not recognized. It's the science is all over the place.

We need to stand up. I'm against the idea of poking holes in the mask just to get around it. No. At a certain point, people have to stand up and say, no, we're just no, just not going to do it. And I mean, we have the same Delta and Omicron here that we have in Australia and New Zealand. I presume I haven't heard otherwise. Look at the state of where those people are in some of the states in Australia that and we just say, oh, that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. But it's happening. It's the same. It's the same virus. It's a different country. People are locked down.

They can't work if they don't have if they're not vaccinated i mean this is not just america that we're talking about this is a global scale so speaking of which uh back in your home country well this is your home country but you grew up in the netherlands um there the dutch now are resorting to smashing cars to vent their frustration at the never-ending lockdowns. We actually have, I think, the soundbite number eight. Let's watch it. Twin brothers Stephen and Brian Krieger are smashing up cars to let off steam.

They are customers at Car Smash, a Dutch project near Amsterdam in the Netherlands. It aims to provide people in lockdown with ways of releasing their anger and frustration at the COVID epidemic. There's nothing to do these days because everything's closed. We can't work because we own a bar and we're closed. So we thought we'd let some of that frustration go and smash the car. So it's not like out in the street illegal. It's legal, and they've found an outlet for their anger.

Well, my daughter lives in Rotterdam, and she's 31, and so I speak to her regularly. You have to understand that this is the propaganda that is meant to get out and show how cute it all is. It's a disastrous situation. These young people have been locked, locked in their houses. You can't be on the street with more than two people can't go outside. They're still in a curfew situation, 5 p.m. to 5 a.m. They were really promised to just get the VAC. They even

had jingles and slogans, you know, get the vaccine, you'll be able to go out dancing again. It rhymes in Dutch. And they've been lied to. And now people are going out and the video that you're not seeing on the news is of families going to Museum Plain, the Museum Square to say, hey, we're not happy with this. And the cops letting dogs loose, they're shooting people, they're beating old people with sticks, beating them over the head. It's just insane. They've got undercover cops going in and then starting up crap and beating people again. That's what you want to see. That's what we need to air. This is pure propaganda. Just, oh, it's so cute. No, it's a real problem. My daughter knows more people who have committed suicide in her age group than have died from anything vaxxed or unvaxxed oh my god this is a manipulation i didn't actually did not realize that my team just gave it to me as something that was okay it's okay i'll check your team later i mean no but i see your i see your i

see your point exactly so wait you do you have a 31-year-old. She's a model, a daughter living in the Netherlands right now? She's a daughter first. She's an entrepreneur, has done lots of stuff in show business. She has show business parents. So, you know, she's doing music. When times get tough, then she actually stops. She can't do it anymore for her own conscience. She was doing fact checking for for Google and Facebook, which is hilarious. She can't tell me about it. And I can't tell you because, you know, confidentiality. But it's hilarious to see who's fact checking everybody these days. But she's she's hanging in there. She has a great a great boyfriend and they're doing OK. But I can't even fly them over here.

You know, he can't enter the United States as a non-citizen, non-immigrant without being fully vaccinated and boosted. Thank you, President Biden. Yeah, no, he has to sneak across the southern border. And that's really the only way. Sadly, it's a joke, but it's an easier way to get in. No, it's exactly right. I mean, he had a window to fly out of Afghanistan without being vaccinated.

Nobody would have asked questions, but that's that's gone now. We're no longer helping people there. So it's really just down to Mexico. Tell him good luck. I am disturbed by that report. I mean, we've seen it in Australia. I did not realize in Amsterdam it's quite that bad. And the question is whether it's going to get that bad here with restrictions that are perhaps less severe than a 12-hour curfew and not leaving your house after 5 p.m. and so on, just because I think the American spirit is free. It's freedoms in our blood. I mean, it's the reason our country was founded. And to me, it's been shocking that we've been as compliant as we have. And I do think it's a positive sign that even some of these liberals now have had it because they realize they're going to get it.

Omicron is coming for all of us and they need to calm down because you we can't go on like this. All right. I'm going to pause it there. I'm going to pay a bill. And then I do want to talk about what's happening with Vladimir Putin and why he's doing this now. What what about Joe Biden? Are we actually going to stand up to him? Don't bet on it. So before we get to more serious matters, I got to ask you about a couple of lighter fare items, including I'm dying, dying to see the Janet Jackson documentary. They released the long trailer and I got to say like, oh, whatever. I

don't really care about celebrity. Oh my God, I can't wait to see it. That was my experience. For people who haven't seen the promo, it's long. We siphoned it down, but here's just a little snippet. My father was very strict. He was in charge of my life, my career. My father said, you're gonna sing. I think I have to start being independent. The most important thing was for her to take that stage and own it. It's just a side that no one has ever seen. Oh, my goodness! This is me! Seeing Janet as a mother warms my heart.

Who are you closest to in the family? Randy. And Mike. Mother, how do you feel talking about Mike? I can't did the allegations affect you career-wise yeah guilty by association because that's what they call it right they build you up and then once you get, they're so quick to tear you down. Oh, I'm dying to see that. You know, all these folks, I mean, you know, what do you make of it? We've talked a little bit the last time about our feelings on Michael Jackson, the allegations

against him. What do you make of the fact that Janet's now apparently going to speak to it, going to ask the mother about it and is going to sort of take control and try to tell her version of her life story. Yeah. I wouldn't get too excited about any great revelations from this obvious promotional piece that, uh, that is being put out. I guess she has something, a record coming out. This to me, um, I know I just looking at that footage, I recognize a lot of it. I know who licenses it. There's a lot's a lot of uh documentary i'm even showing up in with mtv bits and stuff from the old days that i know who owns those that footage um the streaming companies are out of ideas megan they got nothing better to do than put together documentary after documentary that is involved in some kind of promotion for

another entertainment product um i'm not as excited as you that anything great will come out of it i like janna jackson bigger fan of latoya i thought she was more real and certainly funnier um she's like a real trip um so yeah i'm not i'm not all that jazzed i don't want to be disappointed and i i like, honestly, I see that very separate from Michael. Okay. Big buzzkill. Thank you for that. Sorry.

I'm sorry. No love test on that. Dose of reality is always welcome. It's about to get worse on Kazakhstan. Two hours that I didn't have. You just saved me. And before we get to that, though, I want to pick up on something you said about the streaming companies out of ideas.

My pal Barry Weiss forwarded me her sub stack from today and it's just hitting now but it's got a long piece by two writers in hollywood lamenting the wokefication of hollywood and how you cannot get hired if you're a white man forget it um and how now something like 40 to 50 percent of films and all sort of projects made by certain companies are going to have to be made by quote unquote BIPOC you know black indigenous people of color if you don't fall within one of those you cannot get hired and the headline of the piece was this is all going to end in a massive class action and right because it's still illegal to discriminate based on race in this country even if the person you're discriminating against is white. And they talk about how what's going to happen now, we've already seen it, is basically every film gets the creativity squeezed out of

it. And it's all about some woke, sad story, some sob story. Bill Maher was lamenting it not long ago. And what how large is the commercial audience for that? And and what will what when, if any time, will the young people rebel against it, saying this is not this does not reflect the world in which we live. This reflects some weird far left 10 percent woke liberal world. And we reject the product. Well, I think the rejection is already taking place. We're seeing that manifest itself in award shows. The celebrities are no longer the influences of the world and they have no influence. And no one seems to care looking at the ratings. It's so bad that the Hollywood foreign, you know, we have too many award shows. The Hollywood foreign press, they had to go. So whatever scandal, we're not even going to air that.

But really follow the money. I mean, the streaming companies, let's just talk specifically about Netflix just to make it easy. That's a Ponzi scheme. You know, Netflix will spend, I think, $60 billion on content this year, this coming year. Amazon Studios will spend $30 billion on content. They're never going to make that money back. It's just, you continuously, and look at Netflix, they continuously raise money and, you know, then they've got a hit and then the stock goes up and everybody's winning, but they can never, in my opinion, really repay all the billions, hundreds of billions of dollars that I think they, they, they, uh, they now have on their

balance sheet. So you just have to keep going, but you know, you can only do so much. So to let the steam off, well, we just got to create some stuff. We have to have going but you know you can only do so much so to let the steam off well you just got to create some stuff we have to have more than just the latest you know um hollywood based uh you know like don't look up which is a good example there's a typical example of the investors in the ponzi scheme the investors in in many of the streaming companies, certainly not all, demanding that their money get used for environmental social governance, which is the only investable companies these days. Thank you to Think at BlackRock. So you can't get money, you can't raise money without strings attached.

And those strings, sadly, are tied to woke, wokeness and climate change. That seems to be the main two things. And that's a clear mission and narrative from much bigger groups or higher up groups than we're talking about Hollywood themselves. So that's why it's happening. And whether people accept it, yeah, then stop paying for Netflix. I mean, this is the great thing. And America's been pretty good about that historically. Like, just leave Chase. I left Chase. I'm now at a community bank in Texas. Leave these dumb companies. You don't need them. You can wear other nice sneakers. You know, we just have to get over ourselves at a certain point.

Yeah. The fascinating story of the downfall of the Globes is worth your time. I listened to a long podcast on it the other day about how corrupt they were and how you could basically buy a Golden Globe. So it really wasn't worth much to begin with, which I didn't know. And then went through how, you know, they tried to wokeify the Hollywood Foreign Press and they hired 40% BIPOC and there's 29%, but then more women and so on. And it still wasn't good enough. Now they want at least 50%. It's like, there's no woke that's going to satisfy the woke. And I don't know whether the Golden Globes will ever come back, nor do I care even a little. I do think everybody should pay attention though to what's happening. I realize Kazakhstan is like where, listen, what's happening is Putin is flexing his muscle over these countries that used to be part of the Soviet Union.

And he would like to recreate the Soviet bloc again. And what happened in Kazakhstan was we had protesters in the streets because of these high energy prices and more authoritarian rule. And the people took to the streets to protest it. That was what we were told. And 146 of them were killed or shot by their leaders, including a four-year-old girl. And they managed to make this happen by calling in their pal, the big muscle, Putin, who sent troops and backed up the leader there and is now more in control of Kazakhstan than ever before, a region that we've been looking at, that the Chinese have been looking at, that we certainly don't want to see folded back into the Soviet bloc type situation. And we are weaker than ever to do anything about it.

Why are you watching it? And what do you think people should know about it? Well, I could not disagree with what you just said anymore. That is the narrative that we are told to believe. And the reason I'm watching it is when you have 80-year-olds, and I'm not ageist, but when you have 80-year-olds, he said saying, but running the government and the show, you're going to get the baggage of 80-year-olds. And most of the people who but running the government and the show, you're going to get the baggage of 80 year olds. And most of the people who are running the show right up to the president, they have a real hard on for Russia. And it stems from the 60s and from JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis. And just briefly, the Cuban Missile Crisis was in our history books as well. Russia put nuclear weapons aimed at America and Cuba.

We had to stop that. We almost all died. What they forget to say is that the U.S. had put missiles in Turkey, which is only just six or seven minutes away from Moscow. We are now in exactly the same situation. We've put missiles in Turkey. Russia didn't like that um the uh uh russia says putin says i don't want you encroaching on us you can't put missiles in um uh in ukraine and ukraine i don't know if you followed that at the time that was in my opinion a a government takeover and overthrow i mean this is where hunter biden comes, this is where Hunter Biden comes in. This

is where Victoria Nudlin comes in. We were there, the exact same scenario, all of a sudden outrage overnight. We call it a color revolution. We had the Maidan where security forces were shooting at citizens. In fact, as many security forces were killed by other rogue actors. I believe what is happening here is that the distraction was, oh my God, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, don't do that, Russia, where Russia, in my opinion, was just there to make sure the U.S. didn't put any missiles in Ukraine. And then we started the crap over in Kazakhstan, clear on the other side of Russia, if you look at the map, has the largest border with Russia and China. And this is very strategic because we have now disrupted a key part of the Chinese Belt and Road strategy, which would extend a railroad through from China into Russia, into Europe.

This is politics at a grand, grand scale. And I believe the U.S. tried to kick off a revolution under the guise of, oh, yeah, liquid petroleum gas rose doubled overnight. I think there's someone inside this administration who is playing very dangerous games. And it's a mirror. It is a mirror of the Cuban Missile Crisis. And what you just, how you introduced it, is indeed what we're told to believe. And I fundamentally disagree with it. Well, I don't rule out that the United States fomented those protests. I mean, we have done that historically in the past or some force did. But I don't think it changes the fact that Putin has strategic interests in taking over in that region. And it's and it's not just

Kazakhstan and senses weakness at the head of the united states government and i think kazakhstan is already a partner kazakhstan is a partner all of their space uh all of their launches happen in kazakhstan uh you know kazakhstan is is very important to russia it's not i don't think it's really a takeover um quite the opposite not yet what's going not yet but why why would he take it over he has no no benefit to that looking to expand his interests and control uh in what is this former soviet bloc yes he is he absolutely is adam that that is a fact i so disagree with that he wants he wants to protect his warm water port in Crimea. I understand that part. Global politics is a lot of different things at play. And I can't step easily over the maybe we

had something to do with. Who are we? Who are we? This is the stuff that people are waking up to. We do this stuff a lot and it's not healthy for the world. And to continuously just say, oh, it's just Putin is just that uh and to continuously just say oh it's just putin is just that guy i am very skeptical about that opinion well but that's not what i said okay you said putin wants to expand and and therefore we are i said we may have had we may have had a hand in stirring up the protests i mean we have done that in the past that's well known but to deny that putin has strategic that in the past. That's well known. But to deny that Putin has strategic interests in the region and is acting on them, I think is, I don't play

defense for Putin. I mean, I've interviewed the man three times. I understand how he operates. But we have to be realistic about what his interests are and what his goals are. And the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the worst things that ever happened in his eyes. Well, you know him. I don't know him personally. I just don't see the I what I see is a strengthening between Russia and China. And when we are definitely responsible for that with our attitude, none of this seems like a very friendly way to go about things. And it is important to know what happened in Kazakhstan because you are suggesting at least that Putin wants to expand. It would behoove his interest to do that.

There's just not really any evidence that he needed to do that or that or that has happened. You know, the government has not been replaced. It's there's something still intact. So, well well the government called him and asked him for help but there are some who doubt even that how is that how is how is that expanding let me finish um there are some who doubt even that who suggest that was not a willing phone call that that was putin basically making sure he got the call, exercising his muscle to make sure that the relationship is tighter than ever and that his influence in Kazakhstan is greater than ever and that they're more dependent on Russia than ever before in the

past 30 years. I can only call it as I see it. I just fundamentally disagree that this was a Putin move. This was some other influence. And I suspect the current State Department having a heavy hand in it. There's all kinds of shenanigans going on. And keep your eye on Victoria Nuland. When she pops up, then you'll know really what's going on. All right, listen, I have to end it there because we're out of time, but I love it. I think we've covered the gamut. We went, we did, we did headbangers. We did Ozzy. We did Michael. We did Rand and Fauci and we ended on Putin.

I mean, that's a show, man. That is why they call you the pod father. One of the many reasons. Great to have you, Adam. Thank you, Megan. And I really appreciate what you're doing with podcasting. It's highly appreciated. Oh, thank you.

I hope we talk again. Tomorrow, we are going to take a deep dive into climate change, a fair and balanced debate you will get nowhere else. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.