The Megyn Kelly Show - America's Vulnerabilities, Anti-Semitism Reality, and Trauma of War, with Glenn Beck, Dr. Drew, and Eli Lake | Ep. 645

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Megyn Kelly is joined by Glenn Beck, host of BlazeTV's Glenn Beck Program, to talk about how the U.S. is unprepared for global war for the first time in decades, BLM and other progressive groups displaying blatant anti-Semitism, the “death cult” we're seeing following horrific events that occurred in Israel, President Biden's Israel speech, whether his speech will make an impact in the region, America disarming its people for the first time in years,potential dangers to America ahead, and more. Then Eli Lake, host of "The ReEducation with Eli Lake,” to discuss American leftists displaying anti-Semitism and being “traitors” to the Palestinian cause, the New York Times refusing to call Hamas terrorists,anti-Semitism in America, the courage needed to confront hate, and more. Then Dr. Drew, host of The Dr. Drew Podcast, joins to discuss the trauma of war, how traumatic even covering the news and consuming videos and pictures of the horrors of war can be, whether children should be tuning in, becoming desensitized to horrific images and news, the drug Hamas may have taken before attacking Israel, the drug epidemic and its relation to the Israel-Hamas war, the New York Times and other media spreading COVID misinformation, the truth about Myocarditis and other vaccine injuries, the lies about ivermectin and other drugs, information being suppressed about how the vaccine affects young women and men, the "want to puke" party in America, why young people aren't happy anymore, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live from Sirius XM today. There is breaking news out of Israel right now, where it appears the beginnings of what could turn into a regional war are unfolding. Hezbollah has reportedly opened up an attack on Israel's northern border. This is the situation many had feared and predicted. We brought to you the other day the former Israeli ambassador's prediction, Michael Oren, that this would lead to regional war. That certainly as Israel started to consider a ground invasion into Gaza. Hezbollah might be tempted. Other radicalized Palestinians and Arabs in the area might be

provoked into getting involved. And this is not what anyone wanted, but this is what Hamas's actions have led to. The New York Times is reporting right now that Israeli security officials have issued multiple alerts saying, quote, a hostile aircraft has entered the country and ordered citizens across the north of the country to reinforce shelters. In other words, it appears that Hezbollah has entered via the air and that Israel is ordering its citizens in the north to enter the reinforced shelters. The Israeli military called this a suspected infiltration from Lebanon. We are monitoring this.

If this is true, the stakes have just gone way up in this conflict. And we will bring you more as we get it. This literally is just breaking moments before we got to air. In the meantime, in recent days, it seems like a seismic shift has taken place as the world's eyes are opened finally to what many had already seen. And that is the depths of anti-Semitism in our own country and around the world. It is stunning. You know, being left is one thing. Being a committed leftist is one thing.

Being an open anti-Semite is quite another. And the amount of anti-Semitism being displayed proudly is absolutely stunning. It really is disgusting. Never again, if you've ever been to a Holocaust memorial, if you've been to Auschwitz, if you've been to Dachau, you'll see that there. Never again, never again in all the different languages. This was a slogan associated with the lessons of the Holocaust. And yet here we go again. The hatred of Jews, the massacre of Jews and for the state of Israel runs so deep that a sitting U.S. congresswoman cannot even condemn terrorists. Forgive me for the casual reference here, chopping off the heads of babies when confronted by a reporter. I mean, think about that. Think about that. I don't care what your policy is. You say no comment when you get confronted

in the halls of Congress by a reporter. By the way, it was a Fox News reporter. It's not some random. You comment. You comment on that. It's not hard unless you have something in your heart that you don't want us to see. We've long known about Michigan Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib's defense of the Palestinians. She is the daughter of Palestinian immigrants. That doesn't necessarily make you pro-murder of children, but in her case, it appears to. She's also a mother. She's a mother of two children, which makes this exchange with Fox News' Hilary Vaughn even more alarming. Do you condone what Hamas has done, chopping off babies' heads, burning children alive, raping women in the street? You have no comment about children's heads being chopped off?

Congressman Whitey, have a Palestinian flag outside your office if you do not condone what Hamas terrorists have done to Israel. Do Israeli flags not matter to you? This is the same woman who was crying a couple of years ago about children being separated from their parents at the southern border. That was 2019. She was in tears, crying. Oh, she was so sad for the children, but heads chopped off. That's just fine. Doesn't even fucking sorry, warrant a comment. Forgive me. Given that exchange, it shouldn't be any surprise, I suppose, that in the Congresswoman's home district last night, some 1200 people gathered for a rally in support of the free Palestine movement. Some of us offer our prayers for the

murder victims in Israel and others gather like they did here to celebrate Palestine at this moment. There, some did manage a word for the civilian lives that have been lost. But one of the speakers named Amir Zahar offered this take. When you go to a Black Lives Matter rally, you see Palestinian flags. When you go to a white supremacy rally, you see Israeli flags. When you go to a white supremacy rally, you see Israeli flags. This is not complicated. Let's get to America's top colleges and universities. What's happening there is absolutely horrific.

I cannot believe that these this number of hateful, dumb students have infiltrated our top universities coast to coast. The list of student groups now issuing support for the terror group Hamas continues to grow. Okay, Columbia, Northwestern, Stanford, NYU, to name just a few. At NYU, the president of the Student Bar Association, writing in a memo, quote, I will not condemn Palestinian resistance, and quote, Israel bears full responsibility for this tremendous loss of life. Full responsibility for the murder of their own babies, for the elderly women shot at the bus stop, for the 85-year-old who was murdered and then the Hamas terrorists posted it on her Facebook page so her family would see it. This student, who happens to go by they them pronouns because these people always want attention, has now lost out, thank God, on a job offer at Winston and Strawn, a very respected law firm in Chicago.

And good for Winston and Strawn. She was a summer associate last year. She was obviously part of their diversity hire. She was a summer associate last year. She was obviously part of their diversity hire. She was, check out her page. I mean, she's a part of all the groups and wanting you to know it. And they should have done a simple Google search because this woman becoming a problem would have been obvious to them long before they offered her the summer associateship. Thank God they pulled her permanent offer. She was about to complete her third year at NYU and return there as an associate. I don't think this woman could even pass the ethics piece of the bar. There's an ethics piece of the bar that tries to prevent hateful people like this woman, Raina Workman, from making it as a lawyer, from getting, you can't stop the JD, but you can stop the admission to the bar. And that's actually what should happen to her next. Joining me now, Glenn Beck, host of the Blaze TV's The Glenn Beck Program. Glenn, welcome back to the show. I think it's 32 year olds believe that Hamas has targeted civilians. Only 32 percent. These young people are idiots and they're all over our top institutions as, quote, the next generation of leaders.

Let's just table that for one second, because the big news right now is Hezbollah and whether a new front just opened in the north of Israel with an incursion from the north. Your thoughts on it? We are headed for not just a regional war, but I believe we're headed for a global war. You can't have Hezbollah in the north, Hamas on the south, and what will be the IRGC coming in from the Syrian side. It's going to overwhelm Israel, and I honestly, it will take a miracle to keep us out of World War III, I think. However, miracles have happened with Israel over and over again. So there's a few things I've been listening to your monologue and I want to address. First of all, this is in some dark way a blessing if we look at it this way this is the first time

in human history that i know of somebody has said who they are and then proven it hitler when he said i'm gonna kill all the Jews, it was in print, it was everywhere, but nobody wanted to believe him because it was too horrific. He even tried to cover it with a final solution and then cover it at the end. He didn't want to be known as that guy. So we didn't know. This time we know. They say it's not, it is not about a second state. It is about killing the Jews, period. We know what they say.

We know what they do. They put it on social media. They wanted the world to see it. So this goes into not only who Hamas is, but who is Iran, who is Hezbollah? Who is the RIGC? Who is Black Lives Matter? Who are the people that are in our own Congress, in our own schools that are endorsing this or to a platform of truth there is good and evil and it is clear i don't care i don't care what um you know was done to done to let's say us in world war ii if if americans would have been the ones that were tortured and killed the way they were in the death camps, I still wouldn't be for going in and shooting German families in their homes and killing their children. That would make us evil. So no matter what's happened to you, it never excuses you killing families and children knowingly. It's not like dropping a bomb and all your guys happen to be hanging out by a school. Yeah, that's unfortunate. I don't like that. Nobody wants that. But that is war. You went in intentionally to kill civilians, to rape women and to kill babies.

That is as evil as it gets. And that evil is the same evil that says, hey, shout your abortion. It is the same evil that says whites are inferior and they need to be taught a lesson. What happened with Hamas is exactly what will happen. And they are for it, as you saw out of Chicago, exactly what will happen if these radical groups like BLM are in charge or allowed to fester and grow. They are a death cult. This is all about a death cult. It's interesting to me that if somebody 200 years ago did something like this, which we all now say is horrible, we have to pay for it. But if somebody does something today to Jews, I guess it's okay. So first thing to remember is this can be a blessing to us because we actually can see it. We hear them. We see them. We can recognize evil.

Make sure you're on the right side. The second thing that I think comes out of this is an understanding that at least a regional war, I believe this is going to turn into the global war, is coming. So you not only have to know who your friends are, know what side you're on, but you also have to now look at the border, because we have what probably is in the thousands of enemies of America. You can't tell me that they're not sleeper cells in Judea and Samaria, and you can't tell me that there's not sleeper cells here now in America. When if we get into a global war, the world and the world as we know it in America is going to change. So the best thing that you can do is know what side you're on. There's no neutral here. If you're neutral, you're going to end up on the wrong side. You have to look this in the eye. You have to decide who you are today. Then you have to

actively get involved by doing good and being a voice of reason, not of chaos and stand for the things that honestly, if you just are a political person, just dedicate yourself to doing everything you can to make the people like Rashid Khalid, make sure they're not elected again. Make sure that they that you've done everything in your power to make sure that that this philosophy is flushed down the toilet as it should have been a long time ago. Make sure you're working for an election where things will change, because what you're seeing now is such an incompetent president. He has screwed this country up so many different ways. We're an unprepared military. Gas prices.

We go to war, gas prices will easily be ten dollars a gallon. There'll be shortages of things because he has screwed us in the end. But you look at this. We're a nation that is unprepared for war for the first time in my lifetime. We are sitting back the way we were maybe right before World War One. That's not a good place to be. A moment on the BLM thing, because it really is telling. So BLM Chicago posts, they post a picture of a paraglider, which is, of course, in part how the Hamas terrorists got into Israel to kill the innocents with a Palestinian flag or what purports to be flying from the top. And it reads, I stand with Palestine on the bottom. And BLM tweets out, that is all. That is it.

This is the group. Miranda Devine was pointing this out yesterday online that that companies like Disney, Google, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Walmart, Target, Lululemon, McDonald's, Wendy's, Coca-Cola, Peloton, et cetera, lavished money on in 2020. This is the group that changed Fifth Avenue in New York to where we had to have a BLM moniker on it that changed the courts on the NBA. This is the group that if you didn't post a little black square in solidarity with them on a certain day, people started to accuse you of being a racist. But there were many people who had questions about this group from the start, because as you point out, some people really do tell you who they are right from the get go. And their mission statement was very clear about what they wanted to do and dismantle the nuclear family and completely

change America. And here they are at it again. I mean, openly, that is it. That is it! Exclamation. They are loving what's happening right now, Glenn. And many Jewish Americans supported this group back in 2020. And now when they need support, it's a celebration of their murder. So I would, again, use this as a way to wake people up. If you were for BLM, you know, I'm sorry you didn't believe that it was for, you know, maybe a month or so when they first started on their own website, the end of the nuclear family, the end of capitalism as we know it, the end of the Western way of life. This is what is happening with the Palestinians and Hamas to the Israelis. That is what BLM's world looks like. When they say they

want an end to the nuclear family, I thought that was evil. I just didn't realize that they meant any kind of end, even shooting them in their sleep or beheading their babies. This has got to be understood. your point of view on this, because there's a big there's an argument that's happening even inside of my own building here with my producers. Tonight, I have Ben Shapiro and Dave Rubin on on my Wednesday night special. And we're going to show the videos that everybody, including Israel, says don't show. I think those videos are so important. It is like having pictures of the gas chambers in 1940 and not showing them. I think they need to be seen because this is the evidence that shows you, look, they said they will kill all Jews. They've said that. Now here they are. And there is no way to defend killing women and children execution style on social media. Everybody says that shouldn't be seen, including Israel. I disagree. We have photos now of the death chamber. wouldn't we show them yeah i it's it's a tough call i mean i

i agree with in general with the showing of the videos right now we've chosen to carve like a middle lane on it and show some but not all just because i mean to be perfectly honest i just feel like there's only so much my heart can take in bringing the show you know never mind my audience there's just only so much i don't know about Glenn, but like, this has been weighing on me so heavily. It's really changing my personality these past few days. I, you know, you, you gotta be able to function in your own life. You gotta be able to get your kids off to school. You gotta be able to be a loving, kind mother. And there's only so much I can take. And that's me. I don't mean to make me the story. I'm just saying like me, all these thousands of miles away. I can't imagine that we're going to talk. Dr. Drew is going to be here a little while. We're going to talk about like, how are they functioning? The amount of terror that's being unleashed on these poor families, even the ones who survived. How do you go about your day? How do you ever live normally again? So I support your decision. And I think it's great to tell people in advance you're going to do it. And that way they can make the choice for themselves whether they want to see it, you know, or they don't want to see it. But don't comment. If you haven't seen it, if you haven't taken the time to at least see some of it, then don I both were I worked at CNN. We both worked at Fox. You had to have special permission to take the World Trade Center footage out of the vault and show it on your show.

And it was only really allowed around September 11th. I think that's a mistake because you forget that if you never again is now right now and they're just doing it in a different way than they were doing it in the 1930s. And how many people risk their lives? Raoul Wallenberg is a great hero. He risked his life to save Jews. He tried to get the information. He handed it to the Americans. He handed it to the Swiss.

He handed it to the British. He handed it to the Swiss. He handed it to the British. And no one would do anything. So all of the stories of the Holocaust were rumors and were on page 31 of The New York Times. This needs to be seen so no one can say because they will. That's not true. That never happened. Yeah. Those pictures need to be seen. You know, I I can't get over the way this is being spun, even by what I would consider, quote, mainstream leftists, let's say MSNBC. OK, I'll give you one example. Mehdi Hassan, who's just been a nightmare in his coverage of this whole thing. He goes after this guy, Bill Ackman, who you probably been a nightmare in his coverage of this whole thing. He goes after this guy, Bill Ackman, who you probably saw yesterday or the day before, Glenn. He's a hedge fund guy

who said, all right, we've got 35 now, 35 student groups at Harvard who have said this is all on Israel. We stand in solidarity with only one side and it's not Israel. It's the side beheading the babies. And Bill Ackman rightly said, I've been being contacted by other guys in finance and on Wall Street saying, let's get a name. Let's get a list of those names. Those are not people who we want working for us, which you could completely understand it anyway. So let me pause it. So Bill Ackman says, OK, I will. And so groups have been doing it. Townhall.com released the names of these student groups who are the people who are in the student groups.com released the names of these student groups,

who are the people who are in the student groups. And then you have Mehdi Hassan come out and say, oh, I thought the right was supposed to be pro-free speech, thought you were all free speech warriors. Doesn't seem so free speechy to be canceling people like Raina Workman of NYU for speaking out on behalf of Hamas, in response to which I said, you've got to be kidding me. Like, it's now cancel culture to not want to hire a terrorist sympathizer and defender. I need to hire at my law firm, if I decide to hang up my shingle again, somebody who says I'm totally fine with the murder of children and the burning of women alive. Yes, I think it's it's just and in fact, it's all the fault of the victims. I'm good with that. I'm supposed to hire this person. Then I'm going to go look for, let's say, Jewish clients. Good luck. Good luck. As if this is

equivalent to the left's cancellation of somebody for making tacos when they're not Mexican, which, by the way, actually has happened. I tell you, the world is upside down and this can be the beginning of a great awakening and and a return to truth. It has to be. If all of this stuff is related, all of this is related, and it's repeating itself. You know, the Armenians are being killed and a genocide is happening in Armenia right now. That happened and taught Hitler, you know what, we can get away with liquidating anybody we want and the world won't say anything about it yeah he said he remembers the armenians yeah nobody remembers the armenians but they're it's happening right now my charity happens to have people on the ground trying to get them out of the area and and protect them as much as we can most people aren't even talking about it

all of the evils from the past are happening. And it always, always anti-Semitism ties itself to Marxism, statism, authoritarianism. All of this stuff is related. You know, you're surprised that this is happening at the well, you're not surprised this is happening at the universities. All of these universities are coming out and saying just horrendous things. Really? Because you were the same universities that hired actual Nazis. This is the same kind of culture that was happening with the Nazis. boond movement. It was a Nazi movement. There were trains that came out of Grand Central Station and went to Long Island and the Jersey shoreline every weekend that flew an American and Nazi flag on the front of the train. They sold out Madison Square Garden to have a rally for Hitler. They put an armband around the image of George Washington. This is the same hatred that comes from Marxism, socialism, and all the other isms that go right along with it. There is an idea that all men are created equal. That means we don't all have to agree with each other,

but it does mean we have to agree that all people, Palestinians or Israelis, have a right to speak their mind. But if you are for the silencing of other people through murder, rape, burning people alive, beheading children, I'm sorry. I'm not in a compact with you. America used to have a compact. We must restore the Bill of Rights compact. What did you make of Biden's speech yesterday? Just for the listening audience. Oh, I don't.

I mean. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, you know. It was good. I mean, I know people in Israel, they had to listen to that and go, oh, thank goodness. But I don't believe any of that. He's surrounded by Obama wannabes. He's the most incompetent individual. I have absolutely no faith that this president and the leadership that he selected at the Pentagon can do anything but shoot themselves in the foot. This is the most dangerous time we have had maybe since the Cuban Missile Crisis. We are on the edge. And who do we have running things? I mean, if he would drop dead tomorrow from a heart attack or choking on pudding, then we have Kamala Harris. Do you feel better?

Do you feel like we're in control just with our strategic oil reserve? away seven years of our missile usage which means it will take us seven years to manufacture those missiles so we can use them if you think that china if this starts to grow if israel and there's a miracle happen and israel is able to kill this and fight this back and we go back to normalcy, then everything changes. But if they don't, do you think China won't go for Taiwan? Those are the computer chip people. They make the chips for the supercomputers. If we don't have access to those things, we can't make them. China will. And if you don't think china will take an opportunity for a three-front war where i don't think we could even last on a one-front war i mean what what good are the words of the president i'd like to see some action except

i say that with great hesitancy because every action he takes let me ask you this you're the president of the united states we have hostages taken by the same kind of people that took our hostages in 1979 do you have your spokesperson come out and say you know there are roads there's lots of ways to get out of uh of israel you could just take a road. Where? Through Gaza to Egypt? Or maybe it's through Lebanon and Hezbollah. Or maybe we go into Syria. Where are those roads?

I have employees that have people trapped in Israel right now. We can't get out. Why? There's no American carrier that is flying in. You have to go on Lufthansa. Lufthansa is brave enough to say, we're going to rescue anybody who's German can come out. Lufthansa, the Germans are saving Jews and we're standing on the sidelines. What good does a speech make? When did we become such wusses that we will stand on the sidelines kicking rocks? We won't even save our own people.

Well, where and where was even the presidential messaging on it yesterday on the hostages? You know, like where was the messaging of one hair on one head of an American? Because they don't believe it. Right. And you're going to be dealing with the Navy. I mean, they've already killed 14 Americans, but now we have an untold number still in in jeopardy. And where is the strong presidential message of if you if you harm a single American, we're going to unleash the full force of. But he won't because he's not prepared to do that. I don't know what he's prepared to do. And in fact, if you talk to any of these experts who have been watching his conduct and the Democrats conduct when it comes to Israel and all the past conflicts, we run out of patience.

And it's not just Democrats. Condoleezza Rice famously ran out of patience for after 32 days in the conflict about 15, 16 years ago. We give Israel a very short leash and then we run out of patience and then we tell us time to wrap it up. And I don't think they're going to listen to us this time glenn and um i don't know what that leaves us in if you're i've i've been there megan you've been there you've been chased out through holocaust after holocaust 19 of them and every time the world says get get out, get out, go someplace else, get out. Well, they finally have a place.

They have their own homeland. While our government is disarming the American people with open borders. You know why Russia never, of all the plans to destroy America, they never had a plan that had them coming through our southern border into Texas. You know why? Because Texans were clear about the American Constitution. They were clear about communism and they were armed and they knew they'd have to face the people, not just the army. Israel is giving guns to their citizens.

10,000 rifles are being given to private citizens right now. Our government is disarming us. While we have about 4 million people who we have no idea who they are, while we have Palestinian people screaming, gas the Jews, I don't know what happens if you're of that point of view and you came in from Iran, you came in from from Gaza, you don't have necessarily love for America. You didn't come here to better your family's life and you're a sleeper cell.

Well, not only that, Glenn, right now, the leader of Hamas put out a statement calling to make this Friday a, quote, global day of jihad. And so and he's asked he's asking the number one ask was, yes, donations, but also the number one was to shed blood in the name of their cause. And so, you know, to relate it back to what's happening in America, you've I'm sure every Jewish community senator as a center is now under guard. Our friends going to synagogue on the weekend, they have to worry. And think about the Jewish students at these college campuses who have students, an untold number of whom, support the murder of Jewish civilians in the name of this cause and won't even get denounced by the university heads. These same university heads who

are rushing out there to post statements after George Floyd, after one man was whose life was taken by the police. Now, nine times out of 10, they haven't said anything, even response to the student groups. And I've seen the letters from Jewish students and Jewish student groups writing to the heads of school. A lot of them are being sent to me saying, would you please say something? At most, they get a milquetoast statement like well we condemn the violence that's that's unfolded now not putting the blame squarely where it belongs on hamasha's shoulders so here in america we need to worry too i mean this conflict could be coming here oh i i think it i think it will i mean you know look, I'm a I'm a catastrophist, an optimistic catastrophist.

You know, I believe in Americans. I believe in the Constitution and I believe in God. So anything can change and Americans can wake up. And once they wake up, it changes. America is America because of her people, not her government. Our government, unfortunately, has gone to hell in a handbasket. But enough is out there now where people can see, oh, wait a minute. And when Hillary Clinton says, you know, you got these Trump people that just need to, you know, maybe we need to deprogram them. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? You mean the people who want the Constitution to be supreme, they should be reprogrammed. You're going to see a very different outcome because of this administration here in our own country, there is going to be, God forbid, terrorist activity in our own country. Everyone has to stay vigilant, stay aware and has to stay prayerful. I mean, that's in these dark, dark times.

That's really the only thing that makes one feel better. Be a light. Paying attention, staying connected with God. That's right. And do what you can, like Glenn always does in these tragedies with his charity. Thank you for coming on, my friend. Great to see you. Thank you.

All right. Bye-bye. We're going to be right back with Eli Lake and some unbelievable news that I want to show to you. We are following some breaking news at this hour. The U.S. State Department just announced at least 22 Americans have now died in the Hamas terror attacks in Israel. That's up from 14 that we knew about yesterday. In addition, we are continuing to monitor what is happening in northern Israel.

Just a short time ago, Israel's defense forces account on Twitter warned of, quote, suspected infiltration from Lebanon into Israeli airspace. There are videos circulating online of sirens going off like this one. Joining me now, Eli Lake. He's a contributing editor at Commentary and host of the podcast, The Re-Education with Eli Lake. Eli, I begin with you, same place I started with Glenn Beck half an hour ago. And that is, you know, if this is now turning into a two front war with Hezbollah and Lebanon coming across the northern border, what does it mean? Well, I think it means it's more than a two front war. It's a regional war because Hezbollah is a cat's paw of Iran. There has been reporting that the Iranians planned or helped plan and approved the Hamas slaughter and pogrom. You're seeing the sermons of Iranian clerics at the moment that are, you know, calling, as you said in the last segment, for, you know, kind of everyone to rise up, predicting the end of Israel.

I do think that at this point, Israel has to look at this as a regional war. And it's the two front war for Israel, but it really is a regional war. Here at home, there are concerns in many corners, and one of them is what happened in Dearborn, Michigan last night. I realize there are some people domestically who are pro-Palestinian, but that is a very different thing than in the wake of this terrorist attack, saying anything in defense of Hamas, which is recognized by our own government as a terrorist group. Here is just a flavor of what happened at this Palestine, pro-Palestine rally in Michigan last night, SOT14. going to be intimidated by they silent when they say Hamas is a terrorist organization. The fact it is not a terrorist organization. And we have to say to them, the terrorist is Benjamin Netanyahu and his government.

I mean, it was a packed house in support cheering for this message in the wake of what we just saw to say Hamas is not a terrorist organization. I would go, I would say this, that the speaker that you just saw, the college students who have, you know, expressed their solidarity, Black Lives Matter in Chicago with their tweet that had the hang glider saying, free Palestine. These people in the left and outside of, you know, the area are traitors, not just to, I mean, to the Palestinian cause. They are false friends. What Hamas has done, and if it's true that it was on behalf of Iran, is going to bring misery to Palestinians, full stop. It's going to diplomatically and internationally isolate the Palestinian movement.

It does not accomplish anything. And it is, in my view, racist to assume that Palestinians are savages and would endorse the savagery of the groups that purport to rule them. So when I see that man saying that Hamas are not terrorists and the real terrorist is Israel, I think as a Jew that it's disgusting. But I also think, you know, just as a human being, that this is no friend of the Palestinians. This is not somebody who has the best interests of Palestinians in mind. This is somebody who is reveling and glorying the murder of Jews, and it's disgusting. The report just breaking now via I-24 News, the Israeli Defense Force says it has not identified any impact and no reports of wounded following drone infiltration alerts in northern Israel.

So we heard the sirens and we saw the initial reports, but they're not identifying any wounded or impact from the infiltration so far. That story is developing and we'll see where it goes. The leftist lawmakers seem to be really struggling right now on how to message this, Eli. I bring you Ed Markey, who is holding an event, senator from Massachusetts. Yesterday, Elizabeth Warren is right behind him, and he decides to hit on the de-escalation message. It was just Monday. He decides to hit on the de-escalation. I mean, this is before Israel's even had a chance to do anything in response to the attack on it. But listen to how it went. Listen to how this went.

There must be a de-escalation of the current violence. The United States. He looks befuddled. And you know this is a left-wing crowd. Who else shows up to listen to Ed Markey and Senator Elizabeth Warren speak? I think that the moment has really... I mean, I think what we heard there is zombie peace processing. I mean, this is the talking points of 25 years ago and the Clinton administration, the cycle of violence, looking at root causes of savagery. And, you know, it's 15 years ago, Republicans too. And it no longer applies. These people have shown us who they are, and we have to act accordingly. I think that Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli spokesmen have been right when they say that Hamas is like ISIS.

I would say that, you know, they are like, you know, sort of savage hordes throughout human history, whether they're the Mongols or the Romans or the Mesopotamians. But the only thing you can do in the face of such evil is to wipe it out. The media is complicit in that same message that Ed Markey just attempted. Not only do they try to downplay the evils of Hamas by the way they reference Hamas, but they are very pro-de-escalation as a norm and will probably quickly switch to that message entirely. I'll give you just a couple of examples that jumped out at me. New York Times, they published a story, Hamas Leaves Trail of Terror in Israel, and in it they referred to Hamas terrorists. Then they changed, this is via Greg Price on Twitter, then they changed it to Hamas Leaves Trail of Terror in Israel and changed it from Hamas terrorists to Hamas gunmen.

Even the president is saying terrorists. It's OK, New York Times. You can say it up north. The Canadian Broadcasting Corp, which is even further left than MSNBC, if that's possible. They sent out a memo that was leaked. Their director of journalistic standards to all their journalists saying do not refer to militant soldiers or anyone else as terrorists. They say that's opinion, not fact. Even the Canadians and their government recognize Hamas as a terrorist group. So why won't they write it? I mean, I could argue that I agree with the CBC. We shouldn't call them

terrorists. We should call them diabolical barbarians. I mean, are you serious? This is ridiculous. Was anybody having this discussion after 9-11 about Al-Qaeda? Was anybody having this discussion after ISIS beheads American aid workers? It's ridiculous. And it seems like it's a constant kind of double standard for Israel that's in the media. But, you know, fortunately, the media does not really hold the same position right now in our politics and our society in the West than it did before because of, you know, alternative, you know, platforms like yours or the free press. And in that respect, I would just say that, you know, this is it's almost I mean, it's it's ridiculous, but it's not as I don't think it's as sinister as it once was, if that makes any sense. What do you make of the anti-Semitism on display in so many corners? Because, you know, I have to say, when I see the media so reluctant to use that term, I wonder what they actually think. I wonder whether they have sympathy for Hamas and what it just did. I have to wonder who else would hesitate to call baby killers terrorists. And it

reminded me, this is circulating on formerly Twitter now X last night, and I retweeted it of this famous exchange that David Horowitz had on a university campus, I'll get the name, in 2010, where a woman who was part of the Muslim Student Association got up and tried to cross-examine him on the speech he had just given. And instead, he had some questions for her. And it was chilling. We've cut a bit of it. Look at this. I'm a student here at UCSD. I found some interesting things about the MSA, which is an organization that's very active on campus. And it is hosting our annual Hitler Youth Week. You should come out to those events. Will you condemn Hamas here and now?

I'm sorry, what? Will you condemn Hamas? Would I condemn Hamas? As a terrorist or a genocide organization? Are you asking me to put myself on a cross? If I support Hamas, because your question forces me to condemn Hamas. If I support Hamas, I look really bad. If you don't condemn Hamas, obviously you support it. I'm a Jew. The head of Hezbollah has said that he hopes that we will

gather in Israel so he doesn't have to hunt us down globally for it or against it for it oh my god oh my god I mean that's outrageous I mean that that's somebody who has imbibed you know the hateful fanaticism of you know I guess Islamic supremacy um there is another kind of you know, the hateful fanaticism of, you know, I guess Islamic supremacy. There is another kind of, you know, equally awful element of the college or academic left that has spread into other institutions, which considers Hamas to be the vanguard of armed struggle and liberation. And they justify this as, you know, the natural response to people living under occupation. And I guess my response to that kind of argument is that the reason that Israel has to inspect goods that come in and out of Gaza is because of actions from Hamas. And this weekend was obviously the worst,

but it has been happening since the group was formed in 1987. And also, Israel is not in. Israel is not in. It's not in. It forced settlers to leave in 2005. And the hope was that that would be a step towards peace. And instead, Gaza became a launching pad to attack Israel. And that's caused enormous misery for Palestinians forced to live under Hamas. And I'm aware that they won an election, barely, very close election in 2006, of the legislature and the Palestinian Authority. but they have not stood for elections since. Neither has the PLO. But the point is, is that there's there hasn't the people in Gaza haven't had an electoral choice for nearly 20 years.

Hamas has no legitimacy. And, you know, this is what they have been planning. And you have to ask yourself, this is if the situation in Gaza was as desperate as people on the left say it is, then how is it that the organization that runs Gaza is able to get bulletproof vests, drones, various kinds of, you know, sensors and equipment and things to pull off such an operation like this. So it's extraordinary to kind of hear that. And it's very sad. I don't think it represents the majority of Americans by any stretch, or even really a

majority of people on campus just needs to have more courage to confront this kind of, you know, hate-filled bigotry. These Students for Justice in Palestine, those are the organizations that continue signing these letters on college campuses. And I would say beware, beware of Students for Justice for Palestine, because if you can't look at these atrocities and condemn them, there's something wrong with you. I call them students for slaughter in Israel. Yeah, you're exactly right.

That's who they are. Before we go, Eli, how are you doing? Like, this has got to be taking a toll. It's been rough. I mean, I learned of the news right after I took my two-year-old daughter swimming and, you know, I just kind of hugged her and thought, there but for the grace of God. So it's been rough. And fortunately, my extended family is okay. But I know a lot of people who have relatives who have perished, and it's really terrible. I'm so sorry to hear it. The stories of heroism coming out of Israel are just jaw-dropping, too. Agreed. But right now, the trauma is acute and ongoing. Thinking of you, thank you for coming on,

Eli Leake. All the best to you. Thanks so much for having me. I love the show. Likewise. Thank you. I love listening to you. When we come back, we're going to have Dr. Drew, and we're going to talk a little bit about the trauma that the Israelis are going through, and maybe that you're feeling. I don't know about you. I'm feeling it. And this is just the beginning of what's important to take a look just for a minute at the mental toll that comes from both war for those in the region and for those consuming the images and video and news of it for all the rest of us. We always love talking to Dr. Drew Pinsky. He's here with us today, host of Dr. Drew podcast and much, much more. Today, he's here in the studio with me. I'm so happy to have you here, Doc. So delighted to be here. Well, I'm delighted to be in your presence. I'm not delighted with the circumstances we're all in.

My God. I mean, usually we talk and there's some levity. We cover a range of things. It just feels like today, doesn't it just feel like there's a darkness, just like a pall? Oh my gosh, yes. And your staff, it's funny that I started using that word yesterday when we were talking about coming in here. Like, it feels so dark, feels so dark. It is dark. And I fear the darkest hours are still ahead. That's what's almost more disturbing than anything else. And when you're confronted with these overwhelming images and sort of thoughts about what's going on, the natural thing to do is sort of dissociate from it. Like you either disconnect from it,

go, I can't deal with it, or you're literally, your brain goes, you know, somewhere else. You feel like you're out of body, like you've been in a bad car accident or something and things feel like it's a dream. That is actually a normal defense mechanisms. But, you know, as it goes on, that actually adversely affects our brain, particularly young people's brains. I've been thinking about it because I have a daughter and she's too quick to take on other people's heartache. And the sum of that is good. You want an empathetic person, but too much is not good. And I always say to her, Yards, that's not your upset. That's somebody else's upset. And she's getting better at it one and usually i'm very good at compartmentalizing the news myself you know

there's just so much of it you've got to be this one is is different and i do think it's because of what glenn beck and i were discussing a moment ago which is we're seeing the videos you you see them almost whether you want to or not and it's like it's the same reason i don't go to certain twitter accounts and i don't go to certain uh websites because I know that they'll put up in particular pictures of animal torture. If they have a story, it's like, I can't even, I can't even see it. And this is human torture. And yet it's everywhere. And it has no, there's just no chance of not being affected by it. Right. There's no chance that that is very much the point. But I'm just thinking about your daughter and children and how they're being exposed to all this as well. I'm, you know, other than being directly in the line of fire, we've never exposed young people to this kind of thing on such a mass scale. So we really don't even know what it's going to do to them in the long term. I worry about this stuff. I worry about I don't feel up to the present moment., I got to tell you. Thank you for having me in here, but this feels truly overwhelming. Like,

there's just too much. I don't think any of us do. Yeah, it's too much. Well, what about the children? Because, I mean, there's the Israeli children, of course, and then there's our kids, too. But there's news that Israeli parents are furiously deleting the social media apps on their children's phone because Hamas has threatened to, as the airstrikes continue in Gaza, start executing the hostages and to broadcast it on social media. And they, you know, of course, they don't want their children seeing that. I mean, Israel's not that big. The odds of them knowing somebody connected to one of these hostages are high. And then secondly, I'd love to talk about our kids back here and how much of this is appropriate to share.

Again, I think it's none of it really when you get right down to it. Like I said, we don't know the full impact of these kinds of images on children. And yet I think about my own kids, they were sort of third grade when 9-11 happened. And yet, that all rained down on them. It was all television. It was not as though it was in their hand all day. But they saw plenty. And it changed their lives.

It certainly changed their lives. Now, in all kinds of ways, and a lot of it is unpredictable. Who knows? Again, the thing I worry about more than anything, though, is our brains. We literally are flooded with cortisol and we can disconnect. Our parasympathetic system can kick in and disconnect us from reality, from our body, from our feelings. And that on a chronic basis is not good. So I'm thinking about your daughter and her caring. We've entered this very unusual time when there's a huge value put on grandiose caring. I care, you know, and that, and this on this grandiose level, that is not healthy. Care about people right in front of you. I think that sort of, there's a message embedded in all this, which is, and we always get to this point anyway, right? The people you love, the relationships you value, double down, protect the people you

love, get involved with them, spend more time with them, talk about these feelings and try to process them. That space of closeness we call intimacy is the way the human brain builds. It doesn't do it on its own. It needs other brains and children need adult brains in particular. And even adults go back to that same mechanism and use other brains to help us regulate and make sense of things. So there's a sort of a, I don't want to say, I'm not going to use any positive words in any of this, but there's something to be done that could help. You mentioned 9-11, and it just jarred something in me. What we did at Fox was on the anniversary of 9-11, we would show the tape of the attacks.

But the one thing we would never show was the falling man. I know that. It was multiple bodies, but they've become known collectively as the falling man. And it's left from the museum and stuff too, right? It's left out. And I don't like that my kids were exposed to that, but that was the equivalent of what we're seeing. That was the part where you go, I can't handle this too much. Right, so this is resonating for me because it's like all we're seeing on social media about this conflict, this attack, is basically the equivalent of the Falling Men.

It's the up-cl close personal attacks on civilians. And it's not to say that it's not incredibly awful to see those planes going into the towers. It is. But it's just there's something else. It's more personal and intimate to see an individual suffering up close and personal. And that's what we're seeing. You know, like I can't get over the body of that woman in the back of the Jeep, unnaturally curved, and them standing on her. I just can't get past it.

That these non-humans are roaming around us. The level of depravity. Well, this is the part that I'm really struggling with. I did not know that we could go back to that. I mean, I know human history is packed with people doing that sort of thing. I didn't know we're going there. And it's always the case that when your sense of reality gets a record scratch, like, uh-oh, I didn't know. It takes a while to process it. I'm not there yet. I don't know what to make of it yet. And by the way, there was another casualty in all this, which is the press.

I've noticed that I am so distrustful of everything in the press, particularly in cable media and that kind of thing. I look at some of the stuff and go, well, maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Is somebody doing something to me again? Am I being manipulated? Right. That is.

It's true. There were multiple casualties beyond the human casualty. Harvard University, another casualty. The things that came out of the student groups the other day. Okay, you're done. That's it. others have been speaking out um i i uh all of them by the way have been peripheralized by that institution mind you right these are all people that have been writing public discourse and uh have not exactly been embraced by the mainstream at that university but what about the people for whom this actually does raise trauma like there there are a lot of us right it's like people who have experienced real trauma in their lives. It could be sexual violence, could be anything. This actually does have a way of re-traumatizing them. 100%. And I think what people don't really appreciate, I've done a lot of thinking about

this and I actually wanted to write a chapter in my book about it and they told me it was too speculative, but the history has borne me out, which is we went through really an epidemic of childhood trauma in this country. It was not normal. People went, oh, they're just talking about it. No, no. The abandonment, neglect, physical abuse, sexual abuse of children in the 60s, 70s, 80s that was unleashed in the name of a revolution. It's just, hey, they're little adults. They're sexual too.

Oh, boy. People went berserk with that then of course if somebody's been through that they have about a certain percentage probability of being a perpetrator later then it's just awful not no fault of theirs they were rendered that way but again it's their fault for not maybe dealing with it before they hurt somebody else and as a result we have a massive population of people with what are called narcissistic injuries, childhood trauma. And it results in a certain kind of general personality construct in this country that, let's say, is prone to rage. And when that rage develops, usually it gets acted out through scapegoating like collecting together and

scapegoating thus cancellation the french revolution it was the guillotine and the the message of history is a mathematical probability of 100 that if you are participating in the scapegoating eventually you too will be up on the guillotine that's just that's just the way history works that's the way humans work. And so we have all this going on. And now we have this incredible extraordinary images that we're being exposed to. And of course it re-traumatized people. Now the question is are they going to do what I was saying and really try to regroup with priorities and boundaries like you're trying to teach your daughter and work with people you're intimate with?

Or are they going to become enraged and start scapegoating? And who knows where that goes? We're seeing the press shift their emphasis. It looks like the scapegoating going toward Israel now. And then two days ago, the scapegoating was towards the Hamas. Those are all scapegoating impulses. And then if you're not scapegoating, you're dissociating. And dissociating is that feeling, again, I mentioned earlier, that you're out of body or you're watching something in a dream.

And to the extent that that is a normal reaction to trauma, everybody does it. But if you're sort of using that day in and day out, it becomes destructive. Now we get news that the head of Hamas, I mean, he was on camera calling for a national or international day of jihad. I saw that. Go through all the borders. Did you see all that? That was very explicit. I think that was for us. Yeah. And made clear, you know, what he wants people to do and pay in blood and treasure, some deposit into the Hamas account. And there could be some faction of radicals that actually listen. So Friday becomes a more tense day, especially for people who are Jewish here in

America and elsewhere. And on college campuses, there's some, I don't even know what they're calling it, some day of solidarity tomorrow. So these like, if you're Jewish American right now, you're facing what? A demonstration in your college campus, pro-terrorist. Then the next day, as you go into the Sabbath for Jews, you got to worry about showing up at your synagogue, right? That it's going to get targeted. In New York, we see it. Like you go to the Jewish community center. They've got the huge, those huge cement blocks out in front of it because they know already, even in peace times, they're targets.

Why? Because they're Jewish. That's it. And on a day like, it's just like the level of trauma and concern and fright, like there's got to be real fear is rising. Like I can feel it rising. Yeah, I can too. But that's scapegoating.

That's the same mechanism. By whom? Who's scapegoating? Somebody's scapegoating the Jews. That's always been the mechanism that they have used. That's what Hitler used, everybody used. They use it. They take a population, they dehumanize them, and they scapegoat them. And that's how you're able to carry out terror. They are not humans. And you

are mine because humans are capable of dehumanizing other humans and scapegoating them for all your problems. What about, there's a, Scott Adams posted this online, and I'm sure you know about this drug, Captagon. Yeah. And there's some speculation, that's all it is, that this drug may be playing a part somehow amongst the Hamas terrorists. What is Captagon, and why are people wondering about that? So when you look at these behaviors of the terrorists, I mean, how can we call them anything else? They're terrorists. I don't understand, but okay, terrorists. I mean, how can we call them anything else? They're terrorists. I don't understand, but okay, terrorists. You think to yourself, how is this possible?

How could a human behave like? We've beheaded babies and things. You think about it and you pull away, you cringe. And one of the ways through particularly 20th century history that people do stuff is with drugs. And Captagon is widely distributed through the Middle East. It's not available through the West.

It's a very, you know, when I did some research on it, it was very shrouded in sort of mystery. Like I could not figure out why it was made illegal in the West. It was originally an amphetamine substitute. It's a pro drug. It's converted into by your body, your liver to amphetamine and theophylline, essentially.

And in principle, it should be milder than amphetamine. Prodrugs sometimes are, but it seems to be more intense, seems to cause more inflation, which is really one of the dire side effects of methamphetamine in particular, which is you feel agitated and bigger than life and justified in your every move. And some sort of, again, we've talked about dissociation. There's some dissociative quality to it where you're just sort of not all there. That's interesting. I mean, perhaps, whatever, but perhaps these are not normally the inhumane monsters they were on this day.

Like this drug could actually push you to do something that you wouldn't do without it. It's highly speculative. And I think you'd have to use a lot. And you'd have to probably use it for a while to get to that point. But it's possible. It's possible. My brain is trying to wrap its head around what is going on here. Well, and I'd rather believe that it's a drug than an actual human heart.

Right. But again, look at history. I mean, you know, the Huns and whatever, humans have done this. They did say that Hitler was a big fan of snorting cocaine. And amphetamines. Amphetamines were used very widely. And military uses amphetamine. They do.

It just does. But this drug in particular seems to have some mysterious properties that I couldn't fully tease out of the literature. So I'm worried. And also they say that there are some properties, some illicit manufacturing is including, quote, something else. And my suspicion is there may be like an opiate or something in there as well, which also makes you not feel anything. Well, I mean, we've had, you know, as you you point out terror for a long time just look at isis they weren't all on this is gone this is all that well it's been around since them too but yes i don't think they were but this is that again is it not it just on a scale that we just just can't can't

manage well and i think about you know that think about the israeli soldiers right on the other hand who i don't know that they're going to need an amphetamine, but they're going to need something. You walk in at a kibbutz and you see 40 dead, murdered babies decapitated. I don't know how you come back from that. I mean, the reporter who we aired yesterday from I-24, she could barely keep it together. It doesn't sound like she saw it. It sounds like she just spoke to the soldiers who saw it, and she said they were holding each other. Like, these are young guys. These are not, they're not everybody's like a seasoned, grisly, old general who's seen it all.

Like, most of these guys are relatively young and they've been, you have to go do your couple years of military service there. They heard what was happening. They rushed to serve. I mean, they're not prepared any more than you or I are to go see this. Yeah. It makes me wonder if there was something premeditated in that particular torture. In that, and I don't, you know, I'm not a military person, so I don't know, but I have lots of military friends. And the ones that really struggle with stuff will often bring up children. Like something happened to a kid. I couldn't, your brain just can't regulate

it it shatters you see that in prisons right like who who are the bad convicted killers who may be serial killers gonna go after the child molester yeah like there's even a code amongst the worst of the worst that you don't touch children um that's a human thing and and again to be able to do that is the part that you just go i can't but then maybe there's something in it to try to disable these people that come into it can i ask you a question so yesterday we began the show with that news about the babies and i could barely get it out i could barely say much like that reporter she said that she choked on it and by the way let's remember was it world war War I, the Belgian babies that were tortured? That got everybody into World War I.

That's how they pulled everybody in. Well, here's my question. Now, I've seen so much about it. We saw the Fox News reporter trying to get Rashida Tlaib to comment on it, and she wouldn't. I've said it in passing here on the show a few times. It doesn't seem like a phrase you should ever be able to utter casually you know beheaded babies but i worry because now i myself am guilty of it like i've tweeted it a couple times to shame people who are defending these terrorists i don't understand how in the face of that kind of evil, they can't see, right, who's in the right and who's not on

this particular thing. Is there danger in repeatedly referring to something that atrocious, right, in short form or casually to where like, even saying it now, it's not quite as hard as it was yesterday? So very quickly we desensitize. So we go from dissociation and pulling away to just getting used to it. And is that bad or is it good and there's not a value on it? It's how we work. It's a mechanism that humans have to survive everything, let's face it. We can tolerate, we can make the extraordinary commonplace. I mean, we just get used to everything.

It's how our brains operate. Is it bad? Yeah, it's bad. We should never have anything other than extraordinary disgust and moral outrage. Now what the press is starting to do is now we're starting to see images of Palestinian children. So we're going to create this equivalency thing because the images are equivalent the question is how do you make equivalency out of somebody who's in person doing it versus a response that has collateralized to stuff by and allowing this is the part that's troubling me right now is that whoever's allowing these

citizens to stay around targets that's that's equally as disgusting of course it's 100% the Palestinians this is what Hamas does this is what they do i mean this is not speculation they actually use their civilians as shields they tell them not to leave the targeted areas because they're hoping they won't get targeted if they have civilians with them and then they make sure that the local media puts the children on the air and not not the fighters as they go in and out of the hospitals it's all a propaganda war it even some of these videos coming out of the Israelis who have been murdered are from Hamas. They're proud of it. They're trying to terrorize.

I saw a demonstration today where they were gloating over the pictures, young males gloating over it. Look at this. This is what you deserve. How far are we from 1938, 1942? It's just- You can't negotiate with that. You can't, like all these people on Liza, you got to talk to them. There's no talking with baby killers. It's done. There's only one thing to do and that's to annihilate them. I completely understand Israel's strategy and support it. I realize it's going to have global implications, but just there's no talking to somebody like that. Israel can't go on with these people on their border. All right, standby. We're

going to squeeze in a quick break and then we're going to come back. We're going to change the topic. We're going to talk about some of the latest COVID mania. The New York Times is still at it. It's still at it with that same reporter who's gotten so much wrong. Dr. Drew's been talking about this from the start. We'll pick it up there as we turn the page for a moment from the darkness of Israel. Stay with us. Two notes on the breaking news. I want to tell you first, this from the New York Times, after sirens throughout the north sent a shiver through Israelis fearing a possible attack from Lebanon, the Israeli military has now chalked up the alerts to an apparent malfunction. There is no security incident in Israel's north, said a military spokesman, Daniel Hargari.

He added that officials had received a report about drones that the military was still looking into. And I'm sure will continue to. And a second piece of breaking news. It appears the GOP has picked its new speaker of the House and that man will be House Majority Leader Steve Scalise. That's very interesting. He was sort of the number two. Well, he was not sort of. would not just win enough support for the job. We're going to cover that much more tomorrow when the Ruthless guys join us. So, Dr. Drew, we got to go over a little bit of COVID accountability. Really quick, one first medical question. Do you know what type of cancer?

Because so many cancers now are quite treatable. My team is going to look it up. I don't remember off the top of my head. Because when people hear cancer, we can do a lot with cancer these days. I'm a cancer patient. I have prostate cancer. I'm 12 years out. It's nothing.

Well, thank God. Yeah. We'll find out. Blood cancer. Multiple myeloma. Multiple myeloma. So there's myeloma and there's myeloma. It's not a very treatable condition, really.

We like to think we treat it, and sometimes we probably are, but it's usually kind of smoldering, too. It doesn't torch out very quickly. My first reaction is you don't want to see a doctor make a face you just made when you say you're a kind of cancer. Yeah, well, it's myeloma because mostly I was thinking about how am I going to present this because it probably soon is going to be a highly treatable cancer. Okay.

All right. Well, fingers crossed. Yeah. Say a prayer for Steve Scalise. He's got a highly treatable cancer. Okay. All right. Well, fingers crossed. Yeah. Say a prayer for Steve Scalise. He's got a lot on his plate. Okay. So this is what an honest doctor sounds like when they tell you they don't know or this is what they're wrestling with.

Rational uncertainty, Megan. That is what science is about. Skepticism and rational uncertainty. We've been through this bizarre three years of irrational certainty. Dr. Freiman framed that for me that way. And I was like, oh God, you are so right. I love it. It is irrational to be certain about any of this. And so please, everybody, stop it. So the person who's more certain than any of us is not a doctor correct she is a reporter for the new york times and amazingly she still has her job despite so many embarrassing reports that they've had to take down hold on let's call it what it is misinformation yeah i mean it's

misinformation with a capital m if that's what we're going to call being wrong is miss we call being right misinformation by the way so what are we going to call being wrong she just runs with it i mean she doesn't even pause, notwithstanding her many misinformation incidents. Her name is Apoorva Mendevilli. And this is the person who grossly overstated the number of children who were hospitalized by a factor of like 900 times thanks to COVID. I mean, over and over again, she makes mistakes to be charitable. And they're always in the direction of COVID hysteria. Of course. So she's still on the beat.

Just a couple of days ago in the New York Times, she prints feeling terrible about your COVID shot. Then it's probably working. And she goes on about how it just means you have a vigorous immune response and you have more antibodies. And somebody who we both really love and respect, Vinay Prasad, one of the good doctors on COVID. He's not a lunatic one way or the other. He's been so measured. He is an oncologist. He's an academic oncologist who I found years before COVID. He had

a podcast called Plenary Sessions where he would evaluate medical literature. He is clairvoyant, and I don't mean literally, but his ability to penetrate medical literature, it caught me right away when I found that podcast five years ago. And then he became a rational skeptic in regard to COVID. And now he's been on the warpath a little bit lately. He's great. Well, now he sees. I mean, now we have the evidence of how wrong everybody was, and he was on it um so he tweets out dear new york times this is an appeal to the real journalists and editors who work there please take a look at the several articles i have written about errors by a poor of amanda villi these are basic journalistic errors that mislead the public come on you must want to be balanced oh oh and i uh journalism is not just advocacy for the

misguided uh and then he goes on to say please look at her articles more closely sincerely a concerned doctor and researcher um they don't they don't want to be balanced they don't care about misleading the public notwithstanding dr drew i do listen to their podcast the daily usually most mornings because i like to get my news from the left and the right and i heard this this was not was not part of the actual podcast. This is like a promotional ad that was run in between content. Listen to what they said just today. I'm Brian Rosenthal. I'm an investigative reporter at the New York Times.

The New York Times does not publish until we can prove that something is true. Not publish. They do not publish until they can prove something is true. Has that been your experience with Apoorva Mendevalli and COVID? And anybody at the New York Times. It's why I stopped reading the New York Times. I started realizing I was being misled a lot of the time.

And that is an astonishing statement that they could say that. And by the way, prove that something is true, that already is that irrational certainty. We can ascend to the truth. We cannot prove the truth. And by the way, I could just got to talk about that all day, but that is disgusting, frankly. And when I got first thoroughly disgusted with the New York Times is when their editorial board demanded lockdown, demanded. And I thought, why do you have a seat at the table? You've suddenly, you've learned about this non-pharmacological intervention and you have an opinion about it?

You should not. Same thing happened with the medications that became words that you were unable to speak. Literally, if you spoke the word of certain medication names, you'd be deplatformed. Yeah, that's right. And now they're being recommended. Yeah. Yeah. And these are inert medicines.

They're nothing. And I remind people that, can I say the I word? Am I allowed to say it? Yeah, yeah. You can go for it. Say it loud and proud. If you're an asylum seeker for other countries, the CDC requires you to take five days of ivermectin.

You're immediately given the ivermectin for five days because it's nothing. And hydroxychloroquine, that's a medicine that we as physicians are told to keep our lupus patients on during pregnancy. That is the only medication I'm aware of that is recommended to continue during pregnancy. I mean, just blanket. I don't think pregnant women should do anything to their biology. Personally, that just makes me nervous. But here's a medication that people who just learned to speak, pronounce the word, had massive certain opinions about it. We should be very unhappy with that. And this is more of the same with what she's doing. And it's not just, of course, the New York Times. We talked on the show recently about Travis Kelsey, the football player out there. He says,

I want to be known as Mr. Pfizer. Great. I want to be known as Mr. Pfizer. He's pimping out the Pfizer vaccine. I had criticism for him because who watches Travis Kelsey? It's young men. That's who looks at him as a hero. Those are the least likely to need it and the most likely to be hurt by all these you

know the seventh booster and this is something vanaya prasad's been doing a very good job of calling attention to the risk of myocarditis in young men and this is and i got some blowback for i mean nothing you you've been there but the point is like the people who who are mad that i was criticizing this were like the vaccines have saved far more people than they've hurt. And many more people get myocarditis from the vaccine than get it, or they get it from COVID than get it from the vaccine. And my point has been, okay, at this point in 2023, almost 2024, everyone's had COVID. These vaccines don't prevent the spread. So if you have natural immunity, why? And most people have had COVID. Correct. These vaccines don't prevent the spread. So if you have natural immunity,

why, and most people have had shots. So at this point, if you are a 19-year-old man who's looking up to Travis Kelsey, you may have had a vaccine and you almost definitely had COVID, why the hell would you get another booster increasing your risk of heart scarring?

Why would you do that? Well, there's a lot packed into that. And let me just conclude my little diatribe about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. I'm not fans of those medicines. I don't think they do much. We have a different medicine that works like crazy. I use it in my elderly patients all the time. It is called Paxlovid. And if you're so worried about having a severe episode of COVID and you're a 40-year-old male, let's say, you need not worry about that now because we have Paxlovid. Now, it's only been studied over 60 and 65, but people are using it, middle-aged people, all the time, and it works. So why the push for the vaccine? Why the mandates for the vaccine? And that is the part that is extraordinary.

So I want to fill in some of the details of what you were just saying. We don't know. Well, let's say it's true that you're more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than the vaccine, which is not clear. That's not clear. Making a healthy person sick because of something, an intervention we do as physicians, do no harm, is completely violated by that principle. It's by the COVID vaccine. The principle is violated. So we are making a healthy person sick.

Okay. That is a problem. Number two, it's more common than we thought. And if you remember when this was starting to percolate up, people were like, well, it's mild, it's mild, it's no big deal, it's self-limited, blah, blah. Look, in my world, throughout my entire career, 40-year career, myocarditis is a medical emergency. It's a dire problem. And a publication just came out five days ago in Circulation, a major cardiology journal. It's called Circulation. An excellent study, and it showed it took my breath away. I didn't know why it wasn't headline news. I suppose it has to be reproduced, which I totally endorse. But the study itself took my breath away.

It was a large study, and it showed that about approximately half of the young males that got myocarditis had permanent heart damage. Permanent. That means that we don't know what percentage are going to be disabled by this as they get older or are going to develop heart failure or are going to need cardiac transplants, some of them. It's breathtaking, this study, and why it wasn't a big headline. I've sort of centered around it a little bit because I don, and why it wasn't a big headline. I've sort of centered around a little bit because I don't understand why people aren't reacting to it. And one study does not truth make, right? You want to be skeptical, you should be. It needs to be reproduced. But this was a terrible, terrible thing. So my question is, and by the way, just for the full

of record, my elderly patients are all fully vaccinated, and those that want the boosters, they get the boosters. I've seen almost no adverse event in the elderly patients. So some of them are starting to say that maybe something is going on, but we're watching that. And they benefit because elderly people have a lot to gain. You're 85 years old and you get COVID. It's a serious thing. So the risk of the vaccine is worth it. In a 27-year-old male, the illness is a nothing.

So the vaccine is all risk. In a 27-year-old male, the illness is a nothing. So the vaccine is all risk. Why the push? Why are we pushing? And I think, put your legal head on for a second, that universities are going to be in big trouble for having mandated young people to get that vaccine because people are going to get sick, they're going to have long-term consequences, and they should sue those schools for having forced them to take a take a medical intervention 100 they should sue and if anybody tries to force you from this point forward get a fake card it's not that hard go ahead google it get a fake card and again don't comply we have a good treatment we have paxlovid why and you people have all kinds of feelings you have to get you have to say you've gotten the shot to get in right get a fake one just google it on the internet it's bullshit if they're going to create these bullshit rules you can create your bullshit way around them

it's all just like a theater so let's okay let's act i'll act like i've gotten my 50th booster and you can act like you're satisfied i'm telling you the truth um okay sorry that's how i feel we've got some guests in the studio they're on my side just consult with the attorney here if you get into trouble yeah that Yeah, that's right. I got you. I do want to talk about, you know, deaths. Because every other week, you know, there's somebody in the news who had like a heart attack and went down on a football field or, you know, a baseball field or just in the news or what have you. Men and women.

And, you know, my friends and I are having this debate. You know, is it more than it's ever been? Or are we just seeing it more because of social media and because people are on edge thanks to all the COVID vaccinations and COVID itself? What's your take on that? Excess deaths are up. They're up in people under 40. Why is this not an international crisis? And why are we not trying to figure out what is in there in those excess deaths? And why are they happening? A guy named Ed Dowd I've been working with on my podcast regularly.

And he's a numbers guy. He's a financial analyst. But he noticed these trends. And he has all these actuarial friends and insurance companies friends. And they're telling him, oh, yes, there's a problem. We're going to be just look at the word follow the money they're going to start charging more insurance to to compensate for this so there is something going on people are quick to dismiss it as oh well of course the lockdowns caused mental health problems and the substance use and the fentanyl but surely are in there but when they have teased it out a

bit that's not all that's in there. There's a lot more stuff going on. And why are people not urgently, the level of, by the way, excess deaths, it's not like it was during the pandemic, but usually after a pandemic, excess death goes down because vulnerable people die in the pandemic. And so those people that would have died

in that following year don't die, but it's gone up and stayed up. It's shocking. And people correlate it with the – this is a correlation, not a causation. Be careful, everybody. You can track it to the beginning of the distribution of the vaccine. What do you know about blood clots in women? Because now we are getting reports of irregular menstrual cycles.

Confirmed. Like excessive bleeding by women after they take the vaccine. Even the officials are now acknowledging this. And that gets a lot of women thinking about, if it's changing the blood in my body, does that mean it's changing my clotting? And do I have to worry about that? First of all, I want to talk about the the women part of this because i am

dead guilty on this i was talking to naomi wolf and she brought this up and i went now naomi women's periods that yeah almost anything changes them come on come on yes they got a treatment and yeah okay do you realize how sexist that is when a male does that it's not sexist i i raised this with brett weinstein i poo-pooed him raising this early in the pandemic, and I'm pro-woman. Well, good. You're making me feel better. I felt very guilty for that because I was dismissive and I should have just listened. And she's made a lot of it.

And it turns out it's true, number one. And a lot of women are having real concerns about it because it's persistent enough that it's affecting fertility. And the mechanisms are not yet fully worked out. They've found spike protein in the ovaries. It accumulates there. They think that might be part of it. Liquid nanoparticles, the shell of the vaccine is also found in the ovaries. As well, they're finding, as you're suggesting, microclots in the uterus that might be increasing to the sloughing. We don't know yet because no one's doing the right studies. And there is some, here's another issue you probably don't know, but it has me more as a physician, almost more concerned than anything. And I've talked to RFK

Jr. about this and he is clear that something is up. There's something up with the major medical journals where the editorial process has become adulterated. In my 40-year career, I read the medical literature. I pore over it. I read it carefully. And there's always has been, there has always been a back and forth on any topic in the medical literature. It's not, things don't go automatically to the truth, as we were saying earlier. There's a back and forth in the literature. This is so, it is not so.

The look, the status looking encouraging. The status looks not so encouraging. It has gone one way since the beginning of covid and near the tween shall meet. You're not allowed to bring up anything else. Great example of this was that Danish physician that did the study on the fact that early on in the distribution of the covid vaccine, 10 percent of the the vials of the product was responsible for 90% of the adverse effects. It was an excellent done study. It took her two years to get that published. And they should have been running to try to figure out, well, what happened here? What's going on? Why did this happen?

Instead, they're like, oh, no, no, no. Nothing to see here. So there's something up. So you've got the medical journals, for sure. I mean, we saw that just in the willingness to run cover for Dr. Fauci. No lab leak. No lab leak. No, that's racist.

Well, that was Nature, though. That was a scientific journal. But Lancet publishing that article, they invented an organization that was nonsense, total nonsense. So you've got those publications. You've got, of course, the New York Times and the mainstream media that's still, you know, it's still controversial for me to say, why is he being a Pfizer poster boy? You know, why is he telling young men that they need their sixth booster?

It's BS. No, all the pushback, you're not allowed to say that. And that leads us, not to mention the undermining of public health trust. That's gone. And like I said earlier, the media, I don't trust anything now about Israel. I can't trust anything now about israel i can't trust anything about anything right so the the hangover from the dishonesty here is massive still with us

to the point where you sat down and said my first instinct is are they trying to hurt me what are they what are they doing to me they're manipulating me what are they doing what are they doing to me i feel manipulated what's happening so if you were let's say you know we get a different president elected there in 2024 and they called you up and said, Dr. Drew, how do we rebuild this? Is there a way? Is it too late? Well, RFKJ needs to win. Well, he said something that caught my attention. Again, I don't know who I'm so moderate. I'm swimming in all this myself. I can't pick a direction, frankly. But he said something that caught my attention. He said, I'm going to call the three major medical journals in, and I'm going to say I'm going to prosecute under the RICO laws unless you clean this up and tell

me exactly why you've been this way and what's going on and what's motivating you and what your financial interests are and who's been muscling you. And then I'll think about not prosecuting you. Oh, that's exciting. That's good, right? Yeah. He's a lawyer. He could still do it even if he's not president, by the way. So. Well, and, you know, at least DeSantis said he would make him in charge of some agency or use him in the DeSantis administration. I don't know about Trump. They're getting ready to unleash hell on RFKJ with some sort of oppo research dump because he's worried about him stealing from him if he becomes the GOP nominee as running independent or libert libertarian what have you in any event um i'm actually i'm i

took full disclosure i'm moderating a panel with him on october 28th in san jose with him and asim mulhatra have you interviewed asim yet cardiologists who started raising the flags about the cardiac effects of the vaccine early and so i'm interested in what you just said are you are you considering voting for joe biden no Yeah, I was like, how? I'm sort of considering not voting, I think is what I'm considering. I know. Really, I don't feel like I'm,

I just feel a wash in all of this. Stierwald was on the show last week and he said, Chris Stierwald, and he said, there's a Republican party, there's a Democrat party, and then there's a certain amount of Americans in the I want to puke party. That's me.

I've been independent for a long time. In California, you can re-register every 10 minutes if you want. So I've registered all over the place many, many times. But I've generally been independent. The problem with independent is they stick you in the independent party, which is a different thing. You have to really make sure you – Then you can't vote in primaries. Exactly.

But I don't – I'm just sitting here looking at the excesses on both sides, and I want to puke. I know. The thing is, it's like, I've got my problems with Trump, for sure. His temperament, infamously, that's what I asked him about, and that's one of them. But you think about what's happening right now with Israel, and does anybody believe this would have happened had Trump been in office? I don't believe that for one second. I think we were safer. It would have been different, that's for sure. They're afraid of him. He's too unsteady, which is a good thing when it comes to foreign policy.

It may not be so great when it comes to his Twitter feed and keeping the American psyche at ease over the course of the presidency. But when it comes to foreign policy, that same destabilizing effect he has on us, he has on them. And that's good. Yeah. You know, so I mean, but I just feel like with Joe Biden, I feel like his foreign policy has been an absolute disaster. And, you know, I've become a single issue voter on the transing of children, like the surgeries on children before they hit age 18 just seem absolutely barbaric to me.

Well, my fundamental position on that is that these are medical interventions, the surgeries, the medication, the hormones. These are doctors prescribing surgeons executing the surgeries. And I've seen them benefit people. I have. You have to be very open to the idea that there are certain people for whom these interventions are beneficial. I've also seen disasters, which means that we aren't getting it right as doctors. We have not picked the right treatment for the right patient. I don't think the doctors are even trying. Most of them are just on the knee.

That's a much bigger problem. If we don't get it clear that not every patient is the same, not every treatment is the same, you have to get the right treatment for the right patient in the right order at the right time in their life. And that is on us. And when we do harm, again, this do no harm has been cast out the window in the last five years. It's just I live by that. And that's just simply gone now. And so you have to pick a side and pick a narrative and forge on.

And that is where people get hurt, both on the COVID side and on the transition side. So rounding back to what you were saying about the ongoing depression and so on coming out of COVID and these sort of deaths of despair that we've seen, and now the Israel thing, people are, I'm sure, feeling down, depressed. The news cycle can do that to you. Never mind your COVID hangover and the changes to your life. So what should people do? What are some things they can think about doing i hinted at it earlier which was uh spend time with people you care about that that is how humans heal that is how humans find meaning

can i tell you something so i've been like trying to avoid my children because i've just been in such a dark mood i don't want that's a little different. I don't want to be like the pig pen cloud over them. Like, the world is horrible. No, I understand that. Spend time with other adults before you go to the kids. Yeah. Regulate that stuff. But then when I sit at dinner with them

and I hear about their wonderful lives, my daughter's in a school play, then I'm like, oh, yes, this is good, this is good. But I shouldn't speak. I should just let them speak. Well, that's good. That's good. And it's feeding them I shouldn't speak. I should just let them speak. Well, that's good. That's good. And it's feeding them and you, right?

It's doing both. But it's perspective taking. It's being grateful for what you have. It's having faith in something greater than yourself. These are all basic principles that humans need to be healthy. And I've noticed, you know, I come in and out of this city all the time. And I've noticed things are not good here. Things are changing. And the Israel thing put everybody even more on edge.

But I also noticed people forging ahead. I hope they continue, that businesses are still opening. People are going out to the restaurants. People are spending that time and breaking bread with other people. That, to me, it just hit me last night because I was feeling all the negative up until last night. And I was looking around and thought, no, there's something, there's a driving force here. I'm not sure. I'll tell you my full thought.

My full thought was that's people in their middle ages. That's sort of, it's not the younger folk. They're, I don't know what's going on with them. We got to get them onto the ship here. They need to start having more sex. That would help. I can talk all about that. They're not having any sex that would help that would really i can talk all about that they're not having any sex that's what all the studies show that's correct and

it's depressing it's astonishing there's a lot you want us to go down that road because there's a lot in there how much time we have two minutes okay he's holding up a two so so uh because i have you know millennial kids and stuff and i was around the millennials it's it started with the males wanting to be good, good guys. They didn't want to be seen as toxic. They didn't want to be seen as predatory. And this was all going on when they were in high school and college. And certainly they wouldn't want to be seen handing a woman a beer or an alcohol and then talking to them because you could be seen as predatory.

And as a result, they missed some of the milestones of development, of forming relationships, of learning how to date. These are healthy things that they just missed because they were just honked down and frightened and fearful of being seen as somehow toxic, a toxic male. I started seeing some things happen a few years ago. By the time they hit their sort of mid to late 20s, they would get obsessed about somebody. They didn't know how to sort of measure a relationship and whether it's going to work. They would just start, they become their best friend and start stalking them. Any of you in your 30s that has a best friend male, he's stalking you. Trust me. There's a lot of that involved. Not that he's a bad stalker. He's a good stalker, but he really wants to be your

boyfriend and he doesn't know how to do it. And so this is all what's underneath some of that. And, of course, having sex then is ultimately how they get themselves in trouble. So they're very careful about that. Well, I mean, look, I like a committed relationship. I don't know. Yeah, me too. But to get there, you have to learn how to form and break relationships and know who you are. No, but this is what I was going to say.

Just because if you're worried about seeming toxic, get to know the girl. Yes. Take her out on dates. Develop a relationship. Already bad. Date. The word date. No, no, no.

We don't do that. We don't do that. And by the way, you also need to have your heart broken. It's an important part of becoming a functioning adult. Yes. Correct. And developing empathy and cutting you down from thinking you're all that and a biscuit. Right?

You need to have a couple of humbling experiences along the way. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Whether they're in the bedroom or on the way. Correct. Dr. Drew is so fun. Thank you. Thanks for helping us laugh. So great to see you in person of all this time. So, privilege.

And don't forget to tune into the Dr. Drew show. He had Rob Schneider on there yesterday, who also got in trouble in the COVID nonsense. We went over the New York Times article that vilified both of us, and we were right on every single point. It was crazy. Right again. All right, Dr. Drew, all the best.

Great to see you. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.