The Megyn Kelly Show - AOC and Bernie's Wild Town Hall, Mamdani Clams Up, and Victoria's Secret is Back, with The Fifth Column | Ep. 1173

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Megyn Kelly is joined by Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch, hosts of "The Fifth Column," to discuss AOC on CNN blaming Republicans for radicalizing young men in America, AOC’s comments on “toxic masculinity,” her anti-Trump CNN town hall moments with Bernie Sanders, unhinged leftist podcast throwing out racism accusations, her browbeating interview of Cory Booker, awful attacks against JD Vance, AOC and Bernie Sanders’ meltdown on CNN after being pressed about whether AOC would primary Sen. Schumer, how out of touch they are with the current state of the culture, Zohran Mamdani’s appearance on Fox News, his refusal to address Hamas or Israel directly despite his past comments, Victoria’s Secret’s failed rebrand with Megan Rapinoe, the company’s return to its original Fashion Show featuring “hot” models, and more. Subscribe to The Fifth Column: https://www.youtube.com/@wethefifth PrizePicks: Download the PrizePicks app today and use code MEGYN to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/MEGYNARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYNto get 30% off your first subscription orderAll Family Pharmacy: Order now at https://allfamilypharmacy.com/MEGYN and save 10% with code MEGYN10SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off & your first month free!  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. Buckle up. We got a lot to get to today. AOC and Bernie Sanders had a town hall on CNN last night. Why? Why again? I mean, honestly, like, why are you doing? Like, when I was at Fox, if we had a town hall, we were gearing up for an election. And, And we'd put on the candidates and talk to them about their positions. What are these fighting the oligarchy? Did we go over her private jet and his? Here's just a sample.

You won't believe, won't believe who they're blaming for their party's woes. Why does Republican messaging on social media seem so much more effective than Democratic messaging? Because it is. Well, that's a great question. I think the Republicans are effective. They have learned a lot about social media. And by the way, it doesn't hurt that their friends own all of the major social media platform. So because they have also been very clear, especially digitally, about what they believe, that women are inferior.

Oh. That do not, and they do not deserve equal rights. that they believe that LGBTQ Americans are subhuman. And they are able to radicalize and target and exploit a generation of young boys in particular away from healthy masculinity and into an insecure masculinity that requires the domination of others who are poorer, browner, darker, or a different gender than them. let's be perfectly clear there was indeed one party that radicalized today's young men and it was yours madam it was yours it was yours who blamed them for literally everything just because they were born and born male the nerve your side demonized them at every turn and laughed when they ever dared to express any actual pain at the circumstances that they were forced into through no fault of their

own. You are absolutely disgusting to now try to turn it around and say it is the Republican Party, which came to their rescue that, quote, radicalize them. You don't know any young Republican men. I guarantee you right now that woman knows zero Republican men because none of them would be seen with her. And for her to come out there and try to turn what she and her brethren did to them for years around it all, never mind to then blame it on the party that after. actually stood up for them is the height of gall. That is infuriating. And the Republicans want to treat trans people as subhuman?

It's your side, your side that wants to take non-trans children, perfectly healthy children who may be going through normal emotional distress and literally give them double mastectomies so that you can feel better about who you are. That's what you and your party are doing. The Republicans are standing up for minors who deserve to have adequate and healthy sexual function when they get older, who deserve to breastfeed their children, who deserve to have children and not be sterilized at age 14 by puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones, a problem with which they will deal for the rest of their lives long after you have sailed into the sunset. abuelita. So you can take a seat on lecturing the right half of the country on the dehumanization of so-called trans people. How dare you? How dare you? Okay, so we're three minutes in this show. Deep breaths. I had read the soundbite. I had not seen it played out. It's different when you hear

it. F, that woman. Like, if she runs for president, I might run. Honestly, like, I'll, I'll find my way into the ticket somehow. I, like, there's no way this person can run for president or be president. No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, let's keep going. There's more. There was a big 24 hours for Democratic socialists, not named AOC. The New York City mayoral candidate Zoran Mamdani, sadly, the man who's probably going to be the next mayor of New York, unless something very dramatic happens, was on Fox News yesterday ahead of his debate tonight. And it was, uh, it was, pretty interesting. You know, I saw Britt Hume after we're talking about how he's very charming.

You know, he's a great talker, he's very smiley. And like most snake oil salesmen, he can sell. He can sell. And that's why he's leading in the polls and is probably going to be the next mayor of New York. God help us. Literally, God help us. Say a prayer for New York. And the ladies of the view,

they're claiming that Republicans, the evil Republican Party that AOC says has radicalized young men into insecure masculinity, that the Republicans, they don't go on the view because they're too scared. They're afraid. They don't want to do intellectual battle with Joy Behar, who checks notes.

Whoopee Goldberg. Joining me now to react to all of this are pals from the fifth column podcast. Camille Foster, editor at large for Tangle News, Michael Moynihan, host of the Moynihan report on Two-Way and Matt Welsh, editor-at-large for reason. Go subscribe now to their new YouTube channel at YouTube.com slash at. You got to put at on the new YouTube addresses. It's annoying. We have to do it with our MK media shows, too. But it's YouTube.com slash the at sign. We the fifth. We the fifth. And you will find them on the road with yours truly for the Megan Kelly Live tour, which starts next week. They will be with me on November 21st in Anaheim, California. It's just outside of L.A. look forward to seeing all of you. there, get tickets now. If you haven't, 10 cities, one month, Megan Kelly.com. Football season is heating up on prize picks. We make decisions every day, but on prize picks, being right when you make a decision can get you paid. So kick off the season right by

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five dollars. Win or lose, you'll get 50 bucks in lineups just for playing. Guaranteed. Prize picks. It's good to be right. Must be present in certain states. Visit prizepicks.com for restrictions and details. Guys, welcome back. Hey, Megan. Thanks for having us. Awesome. So I was with you in your new fancy studio where you sit right now. I have to say, I feel like the kickoff went really well. Very, very well. It was the day drinking that really sold it. Yeah. I need to do more of that here on the MK show. You know, Megan, I thought it really loosened you up and then I saw the first three minutes of this episode

and I realized that you don't need the boost. You got it. You're ready to go. It depends which button you want to press. But yeah, those in particular make AOC. Let's just start there. The nerve, the thing about the men is really bothering me that it was the Republican Party that radicalized young men. I mean, I realize politicians lie

and they constantly blame the other side for their own sins. That's not a new thing. But on that issue in particular, it's just so galling, you guys. I mean, who doesn't know? You guys are men. And like, we all know young men. I'm talking about like 18-year-olds, 16-year-olds, 20-year-olds, who feel dejected, completely disaffected by the constant messages of the last five years in particular that they're to blame for everything, that they're not hireable, that they're not worthy of college admissions, that their pain doesn't matter. You know, I'm thinking right now of my pals over on G.B. News. And Lawrence Wright, who got into this, he's an actor in Great Britain, and they just try to cancel him at every turn because he speaks truths that are uncomfortable. And he got canceled

because he was having rhetorical battle with this, other woman who was mocking the notion that Great Britain, which had just appointed a minister for women, should appoint a minister for men to look at the number of male suicides and attempted suicides and the spike in male anxiety and depression. And she mocked it. She thought it was a joke. She leas sneered at it. And he responded to her like, F you. And said something like, what kind of a man would ever want to shag that, you know, typical British style? His life got blown up. Lawrence Fox, I said Lawrence, right?

And he's a documentary filmmaker, Lawrence Fox. He tried to stand up, like for guys he knew who had committed suicide. And he was thinking of them as this woman who was like, F them. Who cares about the men? We've seen that at every turn. And now this woman has the nerve. It's her party and not just her party, but her branch of it, the wokeest of the woke on the left. that caused all that shit.

And was there pushback by CNN to say, uh, no, of course, why? I mean, are we shocked? Anyway, what do you guys make of it? There's a, like five, six years ago when Jordan Peterson was first coming to prominence and starting to sell out arenas, I'd started looking into the phenomenon because it was interesting and I wanted to write about it for reason. And I wrote about with some criticism of him, but also it was fascinating to see how many people in media preemptively dismissed him because he had a male audience. It's as if if there's a

place where young men who are obviously searching in some way are gathering in preponderate numbers, then there is something kind of already inherently suspect about this. We see this with our friends Andrew Schultz and what do they call them the podcast dude bros? Brose. Yeah, yeah. Been like, like, oh, they have a male audience. So, you know, it's as if we all kind of understand that that is a problem. That's been the overall vibe sent to sort of seeking men. And the idea from AOC that the Republican Party is sitting here thinking about how to usher people, young men into insecure masculinity. Can you imagine? Like Mike Johnson, yes, what do we do?

I'm going to usher them into it. It doesn't even begin to make sense. Yeah, I didn't need the internet for my insecure masculinity. Just kind of a genetic thing, I think. But no, I mean, it is, I don't know if she said. this word, but I tried to watch this thing on CNN, and every time I unmuted it, it was like, the billionaires. And I was like, okay, it's the same script over and over again. But AOC, I mean, actually, AOC does a very good job of making Bernie look normal, because you know, he's not,

he's like, I don't toxic, what? What do you talk like? I don't think that's Bernie's vibe so much. But that prefix of toxic masculinity, which became so sort of mainstream, people say that in a way as if it's a common phrase, and we all understand its meeting. There's never a toxic femininity, and I can assure you from so many experience, my wife, good Lord, is there ever, and I'm doing seminars in Anaheim in November around the show on toxic femininity. It is also a thing, but it's not a thing. It's just the way people are. But the thing is, when you say this, people are radicalized online.

Young men are being radicalized online. Okay, let's take that premise. and say, it's true. I don't, I mean, the verb is obviously thumbing the scale. They're being radicalized. Maybe they're just being informed from a different source that they hadn't otherwise been exposed to. Changing their politics. Change their politics as young people do. But typically, it's a glide path from high school into college where you have the Noam Chomsky bit and you become radical. Some people stay there. Most people then become investment bankers and forget all about it. But this is kind of

the obverse of that, where people are starting an 18 years old, and they're, you know, interacting with totally different political news sources that they hadn't had before, and they're just being enlightened by them, they're being convinced by them. But the thing that she's missing, well, there's a million things she's missing. But the main one is what brings them there? Megan, your soliloquy at the beginning of the show explains some of that of why people get there, and they're a little overwhelmed by what happened in Me Too, what happened in 2020. They said, you know, I don't feel that this is the country that I'm a part of.

These aren't the friends that I'm a part of these supposedly toxic people. And then there's a chorus of people out there who aren't a part of the mainstream that are speaking to them. That's a pretty fascinating thing. That's not something to denounce and say, God, we have to sort of push back on this. And they think trans people are sub- or LGBTQ are sub-human? Yeah, I'm not sure. Lord. Didn't she open the clip saying something along the lines of, they said explicitly what they want to do?

And then goes on to every single position that they have. So I guess that's how we can just kind of discount what they say. But Megan, you were kind of outraged. But it seems like you should maybe be reassured because AOC hasn't learned anything from the mostsons. You're not wrong. I did think that. You know, like she's just going to keep losing. She's just going to keep driving young.

Even young men typically vote Democrat for the reasons Moynihan was saying. But now not in the last election and not in the next election. and not in the next election if this is what the Democrats took away. Keep going, Camille. Well, she wasn't the architect of every single bad idea that rose to prominence over the last couple of years. But she was certainly at the head of the parade, like championing all of these ridiculous causes, defund the police. She was there, front and center. I remember her saying something along the lines of, this is where our politics are right now. If you aren't with it, then you need to get the hell out of the way while we run over you and essentially impose chaos

across the entire country. They have yet to apologize or even reckon with the fact that they help to bring about their own reckoning, to use the word another way, in a slightly different context. And that is the fundamental takeaway from the most recent election. One could say, you know, Donald Trump has a mandate. Maybe it's somewhat debatable. What you can't say, however, is that Democrats did themselves any favor over the course of the last, over the course of the previous administrations.

Yeah. To me, the whole thing is so infuriating and it's so disingenuous. And like, it's not going to work. Those young men are never going to look at her and say, oh, okay, she gets me now. Not least of which because she's leaning in. But also, she's been making a thing out of this. She thinks she's on to something. We just ran an Instagram clip of her a couple days ago where she used the same turn of phrase of insecure masculinity. Like, that's what the Republicans are. That's why they're acting like men again. That's, you're insecure if you are an actual man who doesn't cower, who doesn't feel the need to, you know, wear a man bun, who actually has testosterone and understands that some, some urge toward aggression and, you know, competition is natural and it's born with you if you're a normal man. She's turning those men off, you know, by the millions, continues to, I guess I should say. And here's the second soundbite along those same lines. This is deeply insulting for the obvious reasons. But it's also yet another like pot shot at young men in a way. Here it is, SOT 13. Rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to disenfranchise millions of Americans.

Far from the working, quote, working tirelessly to promote unity, unquote, asserted by the majority in this. this resolution. So Charlie Kirk was uneducated and ignorant, according to AOC. What could be further from the truth? Right? I mean, like, you can take your shots at Charlie Kirk, uneducated and ignorant, are not two of them. And she goes with uneducated because he didn't go to college.

That's what she actually thinks of the working class from which she hails, right? She wants us to know. She's AOC from the Bronx. She's not whatever her real name is from. Westchester, Sandy, Sandy Cortez, from Westchester. So she's got to take a dump on people who don't go to college. You're uneducated, as though that's the only way one can educate oneself in 2025 America. It's a lie. Charlie knew it was a lie. It was actually one of the things he felt most passionately

about was that with all the online access we have now, Hillsdale College, etc., which I know he was a big fan of, their online properties. You don't need to go to college to just go and be indoctrinated into left-wing thinking. So she's such an elitist snob at the Met Gala, but she's going to wear her dress saying tax the rich, so that makes it okay. You know, saying she's working class Bronx, but dumping all over people who don't get a four-year college degree. Like, she's just a hypocrite and ignorant. See, anybody doesn't share her opinions of the world has to be ignorant. It can't be a good faith disagreement, a genuinely, you know, felt difference of opinion. Take somebody who's on, without question, well educated, Michael

Knowles. He shared Charlie's views, I think, on everything. I don't think there was any daylight between them. And he could make mincemeat out of AOC in any debate, as Charlie could have as well. Let's take the trans issue, right? Michael Knowles has been arguing that in the most forceful terms possible for a long, long time. Is he ignorant? Is that his problem? Or does he just have a much different view of the issue based on his own reading and research versus AOC? It's just the whole thing is diminishing and she feels especially empowered to do it because it was a white guy, Charlie Kirk, as is Michael Knowles for that matter. Your thoughts? I might be a little bit oversensitive to this being a college dropout, but...

I went to college, Matt. You just couldn't hack it, right? Right. Okay. It's interesting to use the word uneducated, isn't it? Like, why isn't that word? Why isn't it wrong? Why isn't it ignorant? Ignorance is actually much more defensive. We could say, well, you know, this person, just somehow doesn't understand or hasn't learned a lot about the world. Okay, you were wrong about that, but like, that's at least an argument. Uneducated suggests that there is a fix that these people could go through by being, you know, inert sheep vessels to be the recipients of the transmitted virtues of the graduates from the Columbia Teachers College or something. It is crazy, crazy, crazy elitist to say such things.

And it's really ironic and fun almost that AOC and Bertie Sanders, who were kind of, you know, part of the DSA wing of the party, which is ostensibly supposed to be for working people, they could be telling a story about young men in this country and having a theory of the case where they'd be able to make their socialist arguments. And that theory of the case is we have a really weird, kind of unique in the rich world problem of people of working age, not working, right? And this is disproportionately men, but not only men compared to the rest of the world. So what's your theory of the case for that and how are you going to address it? They could do that with empathy and sympathy. They could also look at the fact that we have crazy disability policies in this country, that they probably supported in many cases, that people are opting into, even though they're not quite disabled, but they don't want to do that because that would call into their own things into question, but they're not doing any of that. They are instead calling you uneducated because you disagree with how they look at the world. And this is why we're seeing this kind of shift of the political demographics in this country from who is the party of the rich and who is not. It's an amazing thing because we've given AOC far too much credit for being a skilled political.

I mean, the thing that allows AOC to have, as you pointed out, Megan, a town hall for no one in particular, for no election in particular, just a random one is because people in the media love her. I interviewed her the day that she won her election against Joe Crowley, I think. And it was unbelievably, it's a local race in a district, I think. Has she been to the district yet? If she's there, we should see if she wants to have drinks. But yeah, it was amazing how much people just wanted this young, reasonably attractive person who was a bit of a socialist. And, you know, by the way, young people not working. If you want to see where that really happens, go to socialist countries like Spain, where, like, young people unemployment is like 48, 50%. But it's an incredible thing of how little they have learned about politics. And I just say this, you know, as objective as I can, not in any partisan way, is that you don't do working class politics by saying things like these voters and these people who disagree agree with me are uneducated. And, you know, having your, you know, rallies at Columbia for

Hamas and not mentioning hostages and things like this. This is a mile away from the average working class voter. Donald Trump, I mean, it was the thing that I had to figure out early on in 2016 of saying, and we talked about, I think we might even talk about when you were on our great new YouTube show, Meck and Kelly. Which is awesome. Which is great. The first guest was really a real cracker jack. But we were talking about this

and this is the thing that people, we discovered something in 2016. Donald Trump, the billionaire, right? Oh my God, he's talking about how rich he is. How can he connect with working class voters? It's like, no, no, well, he wasn't pretending to not be rich. He was saying, I'm a rich guy. And you guys

are getting screwed because I know how the system works and the system exists to screw people like you, whereas all these other people that are trading stocks on the house floor are saying, you know, as a working class person, and I'm commuter Joe Biden who gets on the Amtrak, it's not believable. With Donald Trump, it didn't have to be believable. He wasn't pretending to be somebody he wasn't. And that really resonated with people where you have somebody talking about the working class like AOC who is making these arguments that is, talk about polarization. It's not that you don't, you know, we are on different sides of an issue. I'm trying to

persuade you. You're fundamentally a bad person. You have these ideas that make people sub-humans. You don't, you don't even go to college. That's your problem. How the hell, after 2015 to today, we have a decade of not learning this very, very simple lesson on how to talk to voters. It's astonishing to me. The contrast with Yose and Bernie is really fascinating. He is supposed to be kind of carrying the torch for him going forward. Clearly, the cultural power center of Democratic Party is in Mandami. It's in AOC. It's in Bernie and has been in Bernie for more than a decade now. But it's the younger lot that bring this kind of social justice edge along with them. And that is the thing that I think many, many voters are incredibly turned off by. The economic populism,

you find that on both sides of the aisle at this point. Donald Trump has a lot of those qualities. He's pursuing a lot of policies that would ordinarily be identified with someone like a Bernie Sanders. But it's that other thing that is the problem. And it's that other thing that continues to be front and center in so many of these conversations. And we're going to talk about Mondami in a little bit. But the question about Hamas and his preposterous non-response to it is just, it is mind-boggling that these people aren't willing to just lie about this stuff. At least consider your objectives because that will actually help you win elections. This other thing is a, it is a total loser. you can only win by default

with Donald Trump and Republicans essentially making themselves unelectable. That's the only hope that you have if you are going to maintain this course or even double down on the same stupid rhetoric

that lost you the last election. And keeping in mind the question, the question they were asked was why is your policies, your rhetoric not resonating with people in the other Republicans were, they're like, that's exactly why that's happening. Anyway,

you know, I love it. It's like, oh, you know, all their buddies own the social media. Like, is that what the Democrats are telling them? Like, I can't get anything trending because Elon owns X. Yeah, Elon wants engagement. That's all he wants. He wants Democrats logging on, Republicans logging on and staying on and retweeting things. He's not falsely helping Republican memes go viral.

Republicans are doing that all on their own because they are clever. I mean, look what they did to that exact video. I'll show it now. They got their hands on the clip we just showed and watch. why does republican messaging on social media seem so much more effective than democratic messaging and what can we do about it well that's a great question i think the sombrero is back i just want to point out for the record that on the fox business network we had a actually drunk camille foster wear a sombrero while uh Moli. Doing a blockmoli

tasting contest. That's that right. Yeah. Nothing to do with the cancellation of that show. Well, Camille's been everywhere. I saw Camille in a clip we're running, well, might as well get to it now. I mean, I'm not bad into AOC and Bernie.

You were sitting next to this lunatic white lady who's been making the rounds saying all sorts of terrible things about whites and Republicans. Like, that's her thing. I don't know who she is. She's from the South, and she's, like, made her name by trying to say, like, I'm like the white racist Republican whisperer, even though she's always been a Democrat. She wants us to claim she's deep in these Republican circles and has got all the goods on the right wing. Poor Camille got dragged into this because he was sitting next to her or near her.

And this happened. Uh-oh. I'm a white woman that has lived in a red state my entire life. And I can tell you, when I'm around white people, they test the racist water. They tested on people like you all, all time. And they'll try to say all color things. I put my hand out.

It absolutely happens. And you're fortunate that maybe you have any experience. Can I just say literally this August, a white person said the N word in front of me. This is that woman who chimed in is the one who's like, why didn't anyone ask me how I feel about what was it, Tara? So something I can't remember what it was.

Because no one gives a shit. But your opinion is totally irrelevant to us. That's why. But I love, I love your facial expression. Like, what? I'm an active, I'm an active listener. At least I'm not trying to interrupt her. Yeah. Like, what circles is she hanging out in? Because unlike this Jennifer Welch, I actually am surrounded by Republicans all the time. And I've never heard anybody test the, and what does it even mean? Like, in my mind, testing the waters is like when you're trying to score drugs and you're like, you party? You know, this is how I imagine it would be done. I don't know. I've never done a drive other than booze.

That's really committed. Is that not it? I'd feel like that's water testing. No, it's exactly what it is, Megan. Interesting. You know, at some point in the exchange, she did kind of suggest that, you know, they may only suggest that they're joking. They're kind of telling jokes.

No, no, they're jokes. Like, sometimes people make off. They're actual jokes. Sometimes they do that sort of. Like, what do you, like, as if there's like a circle of whites. It has to be south of the mason Dixon. get together around like the backyard barbecue and they're like I can't even think of what to say I can think of is this racist um I heard this racist story of this girl trying to get somebody to say

the N word by saying finish this sentence salt and are they going to do the entire and then it's bad I'm just trying to think of like what what circles is she walking around in you know what I mean it's like people aren't saying that no they're not how do you dip your toe in the racist water to see if other people are going to blurt out with, yeah, something super racist. Thank God you tore the label off, so we get this started. Well, I'm going to answer this for, Camille, because I know he wants to go back on the show and be ecumenical. I am not ecumenical.

I'm just being nice about these people here across from. Here is what happens when that happens with her. It never happens. She's making it up. That does not happen. Like, this is, oh, do you know our friend who's the famous liberal podcaster? let's test out some racist jokes with her and see how we can go. You know, I mean, it's a plausible thing.

Well, I'll like your podcast, but I have a joke about some Mexicans. It's like, what? That's not happening. And if it is happening, you should not keep the people around. Don't invite them both anymore. Where are you hanging out? I'm right. Well, my friends, too.

I don't, like, I'm not even sure what she's talking about. Like, how are they even edging up to it? Like, she's such a lunatic. It could be like, you know, anyone wants some watermelon? She's like, oh, here it goes. You did it. They're back at it. No, actually, there's watermelon and hot dogs in the backyard.

Help yourself. I'm just saying, like, she's a lunatic, this person. Here she is a Cory Booker of whom she's not a fan. Here, watch. There are votes that you've made that were heartbreaking to me, like the vote for Kushner. That really pissed me off. This administration is. It's not, are they fascist.

They are fascist. It's not we're on the precipice of fascism. Texas is sending troops to Illinois. I feel like the opposition needs to be fuck, no, across the board. We're not giving you a centimeter. And you're one of them that's kind of been disappointing to me because we podcasted before. They're serious about Project 2025. They're going to do all this shit.

What do you have to say about the capitulation that you participated in and where the Democratic Party is right now? Well, first of all, I would say white women don't get to talk to black men like that. One of the things I dislike about the Democrat Party is that we do a circular firing squad all the time. Their party, they disagree. There's a wild disagreements in the Republican tent. And yet they don't shoot at each other. And we have a really good way of holding up these purity tests that if I agree with you on 95. That's such bullshit.

Come on. You're racist. They fired each other all the time. Trump has sent so many people out to pasture. She's, I mean, that that's. That lady's out of line. You're not allowed to talk to a black man like that. I've been told, put on my listening ears, take a beat, and maybe be quiet before you tell a black person that they're wrong.

Blue black men like that in a wheel, she was very polite. And that Booker guy. She was very polite. You know that the clip actually makes me think about, though, Megan, is something else that came on, came up during that same CNN appearance, which I'm very curious about your perspective on to not change topics, but maybe expand it a little bit here. Why aren't, or do you think it would be feasible for Democrats to try and work with the administration on various immigration issues to perhaps try and find a way to more peaceably execute these deportations? Do you think that the administration might be open to that? Do you think that that might be a constructive move for Democrats?

I mean, I've often heard people reflect on the fact that Barack Obama deported lots and lots of people. way more people that was in the town hall but the fact that he managed to do that without deploying the national guard actually seems really important too and maybe democrats could build some bridges could actually build up some some equity amongst voters and show their their reasonableness on an issue that a lot of americans are actually fine with with respect to actually but do you think if democrats were to reach out that there might be an opportunity for them to work with I definitely think Trump would 100% work with them. He's so bipartisan. Like he would be like great. He loves counting these wins and being like, see, this person and I were together. Look at the prison reform he did in Trump 1.0. That was with Van Jones. I mean, he's totally fine working with people across the aisle. It's the Democrats who won't do it. It is, let me give a simpler case. Husband and wife get divorced. They fight like animals toward each other. They're the nastiest two humans can be to one another, notwithstanding the effect, they have children with whom they need to share custody and, you know, split time and drop them off and pick them up and see each other.

And they turn the kids against each other and they know it's very damaging for the children to pass negative messages through them to the other one. But they do it. They fight in front of them. And the judge or the, you know, custodial guardian. I like Lightham will say, please, please, please. It's like Judge Judy used to say, you have to love your child more than you hate your spouse. please behave better and they can't do it. Why? Because their emotions run so high toward this person. It's a hatred. I can't help myself. That's how they feel. They can't even for their beloved child.

They can't get it in check. And that is the Democrats and Donald Trump. Like, I've had so many Democrats say to me, this is, it's like a relationship with Hitler or, you know, one of his. top lieutenants where your your character is defined and will forever be defined on whether you stood up. So there's no, there's no working with. There's no calming down and, you know, getting yourself out of that trance. Same way the husband and wife can't do it. Neither can these demp. They will not be working with him. That's my take. I think also, though, there is, immigration enforcement is a presidential issue at this point. It is the executive, starting really with Barack Obama when he did DACA, which was a huge executive power grab.

I'm going to just say these four million people are exempt from immigration enforcement. He had his pen and his phone. Well, Donald Trump has used a pen and phone more than any president since FDR and bragged about it. And he keeps getting larger and larger mock pens to do this. But presidents are enforcing law. And so there's less actual material for Congress to work with a president on this. And meanwhile, this president is enforcing law in a pretty aggressive way. He's deploying ICE against the wish, we're deploying the National Guard against the wish of mayors and governors.

And ICE is out there doing very, very aggressive raids in masks, oftentimes, or at least enough that we've seen on video footage of American citizens in many cases. And so, of course, Democrats in those cities are going to react negatively to it and not going to be thinking like, this is the time for, bipartisan immigration reform. That's just not how that's going to work. But I think to Megan's point... They have to wear the masks. They're getting doxed and there are actually bounties out on them now. You'd be an insane person to be an ICE officer. Now, you don't think what? Yes, they do. Easy for you to say. It's true. It's easy for me to say, police officer. You're not risking your life every day. Actually just trying to clean up Joe Biden's mess with children at home. And these people literally putting

a bounty on your head. They are actually putting bounties on their heads. That literally just happened with these gangs and the head of the Border Patrol. Just had a $10,000 bounty put on his head. It goes up to $50,000 now. Why wouldn't they wear a mask? They don't need to show their face. They know it's ice.

They're armed. They're wearing ice jackets. They just don't need to show what their particular face looks like. Just on the issue of the kind of bipartisanship, to your point, Megan, it's funny because what you're referencing is just happened in clip that you showed, this woman, that weird skeletal woman who is talking, I'm just,

have a burger, he'll be happier. I'm trying to describe. I don't like when people don't look healthy. It's just me, okay? I'm for women. I am a, I am not a toxic man. I'm for women. What does she say in that deranged soliloquy that is supposed to be a question?

She says, and this is how you prevent people from working together to Megan's point. Is you say that it's not as if we're on the precipice of fascism. We are in full fascism that if this dummy had any idea what fascism actually was would mean that she didn't have a show in which she talked to an opposition politician, which doesn't happen in fascism dummy. I mean the fascism is just evident by appointing Jared Kushner. Yeah, yes, obviously obvious. Yeah, you mean Kushner. Jared Kushner. I don't even know what she's talking about.

Like, Jared, how did he appoint Jared Kushner? He just helped find peace in the Middle East. She's upset about it. I mean, good Lord. I mean, if I want to get in trouble amongst a certain precinct of my friends, is my unreserved praise for Jared Kushner in what he did with the Abraham Accords. This time around, too. Give the guy some credit.

They mocked him for saying, I read 25 books on the Middle East. Maybe you guys should read 26. Because they were the right books. Wait, I've got one more, Jennifer Walsh for you. I got one more for you. Speaking, that's the lady. That's the undernourished lady, angry lady, apparently with all the racist friends. You tell me, this sounds a little racist too from her. This is, she's ripping on J.D. Vance. I believe this is because he was like those guys, those so-called young Republicans who had the racist text chain with the ridiculous comments that was outed yesterday by Politico. J.D. Vance is like, I'm not going to get my parole. I'm not going to start, not going to start clutching pearls over these guys when we've got a Virginia Attorney General candidate who's literally calling to put two bullets in the head of Republicans and their children. And the other side says nothing. Here she is talking about that with Chris Hayes on Wednesday. He is married to a woman of Indian descent. Yes. He has mixed race children. So to all of the MAGA voters out there, if this man will not defend his wife, and will not defend his kids.

Do you think he gives a crap about you or anything to do with you? She's mad that J.D. didn't get offended more by a bunch of 22-year-old knuckleheaded losers in some text chain, private amongst them, saying racist things. She's mad. He didn't stand up for his brown wife and his mixed-race children as they're Night and shining armor because Ushah Vance needs to be protected from all of her Supreme Court clerkships. I mean, like, they can't understand a world in which a person is like, whatever, I don't need to comment on every stupid comment that's made by somebody in my party. However, you Democrats do need to comment in the Virginia race involving one particular candidate who is on the record as admitting to having said he wants Republicans to die. along with their children, seems like a much bigger deal.

Why do these Democrats always do this? They always bring up the fact that he has a mixed-race children and an Indian wife to somehow require more of J.D. Vance. Yeah. Actually, she mentioned the same stuff during that appearance on CNN that we had together as well and used this phrase like his brown children, which during the appearance I actually like suggested that was probably not appropriate and was something. something that she should evolve. But I do also think that J.D., right to call out the hypocrisy,

as you just highlighted as well, but his comments about this have not been particularly good. And he entered into this fray voluntarily on X, didn't do it in a particularly eloquent way. And then the next day, further compounds the problem for himself by commenting on it further, saying things like, I will tell my kids not to post things online, because if you post things online. That's very bad for you. No, that's not really it, JD. The issue isn't that they are posting things online. It's that they are posting deplorable things in this secret group chat. And it seems that some of the people in that group chat might have been a bit older, not kids, as he continued to characterize it. And there might have even been elected officials who are in this group chat.

I don't know. My suspicion is that a lot of this is precisely what you would expect to happen in these clandestine signal groups, like people just kind of talking, shit talking and doing all sorts of other locker room talk, maybe some of these people have authentically nefarious, awful beliefs. But what you can say in a context like that, if you are J.D. Vance, one of the standard bearers of the Republican Party, a party that does have some material challenges with respect to actual racist sentiments that are bubbling up in our polity right now. Totally disagree. Totally disagree with that, Camille. It's the Democrats who are the racists. Republicans do not have that problem. Maybe the Republicans of some years ago, I don't know what

you're referring to, but today's Republicans are signing on in particular young black men like there's no tomorrow. It's black women who vote Democrat. But it's the Democrats who divide us by race nonstop and try to tell us we're one thing because of this color of our skin. I think I think you are right that avert race essentialism is the unique kind of bailiwick of Democrats right now. But there is a version of that that has become more prominent on the right. Nick Fuentes, who we talked about the other day, He's not on the right? I don't know what he is.

I think he would characterize himself that way. At a minimum, he is kind of in orbit around the right. And I wouldn't say that he doesn't think that's true. Who does he like? He hates Trump. He doesn't like Trump. He hates J.D. Vance. He was singing Gavin Newsom's.

I don't watch Nick Fuentes, but I see the reports on him on X. He was seeing Gavin Newsom's praises, like full-throated praises. I think the reason he likes Gavin Newsom, according to what X told me, is he's white and he's a white wife and he's got white kids and he doesn't like the fact that jd is you know got in this mixed marriage whatever so it's like he's not of the right i don't know what he is but he is not of the right keep going i don't know how i don't know how we want to position him but but i will let me offer this in terms of what jd could have said right jd could have said the issue here is that the people in this group were saying deplorable things and the deplorable things that they were

saying it's not just that they were racist so that they used the n-word they were degrading people because they suggested that their dignity was not a function of their humanity. Those are fundamental essential values. Okay. I get that. I get that. You can say that while also highlighting the hypocrisy of the other side as opposed to just dismissing the actual problem.

I get it. But you got to understand the mindset that we're all in right now. I mean, like, I think those of us on the right in particular who are close with Charlie and J.D. Vance was among them. He's the one who just brought back his friend's fucking corpse on Air Force 2. And I had been with J.D. at the White House the day this story broke and he tweeted, like, I'm not going to parole clutch over this. When we were all hugging Erica Kirk, who was in tears as she accepted posthumously, Charlie's Presidential Medal of Freedom, the mindset right now is you cheered when our friend basically got his head blown off. You cheered. You laughed. You made memes out of it.

and t-shirts showing it. I guarantee you some cretons are going to make it into a costume. And I don't have any time or tolerance for you saying you didn't like comments in what was supposed to be some private chat between a bunch of losers, who I don't know if there were elected officials in there, but I've been following the story. No elected official has been accused of saying anything racist in that threat. It's the chair and the vice chair of something called young Republicans, which I don't even totally understand. In all my years covering politics, I've never heard of them. A lot of

groups call themselves like, young this, young that. It doesn't mean that they represent all of that party in America. So I can see why he did it. He was basically like, don't fucking lecture me on how we're supposed to be talking in a way that's more genteel and not offensive. I am not here for it. Yeah, I would say that there's a couple things about that there's one opportunity here for a conversation. I don't want to. to say what somebody should tweet or not to, I mean, my advice is to elect officials is just don't tweet. It's just never a good idea to tweet. I've learned that lesson myself. But, I mean, there is a third. Next stop, what you say on the air. Oh, yeah, no, I mean, I got a timeshare

in Greenland, and I think that's the only salvation for the, I think. And by the way, I want to say our group chat is very racist towards Camille, and he's on it. And so I can't, I think it's kind of hypocrisy for me to denounce it when I call, I don't say the N-word, but I say some other stuff.

You do occasionally. A couple times I've said it directly. I'll give you back the floor, but by the way, I just printed this out. You know, Hunter Biden, hold on. Hunter in the, you know, laptop in the text that nobody would publish, refers to his attorney,

George Mizziras, as the N word repeatedly N-I-blank-A you better not be charging me whatever rates. He goes on to he says it repeatedly. I don't remember. Where were all the Democrats condemning this Republican chat when Hunter Biden was

using the N-word over and over and over and over. I think that's the NIGGA as in my nigger. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's been trying to get us say this. No. But that we all could. I think if we did that, we completely disarm actual racist.

We should just do it. I'm not doing it. I'm telling you to do it. I'm not doing what Jennifer Welsh thinks. I've literally never heard anybody utter that word, even with the A at the end, in my presence. I've seen it on TV, open up the bad news bears from like 1977. You get every single one from like, oh my God. Like we tried to watch it with our kids.

We were like, mute, mute. Munking and being racist, which is like, I literally see where it's the remake. And the remake they had, they just changed it to sort of anti-Armenian. which is funny because it's something we can all support yeah even the Kardashian factor I think I interrupted you Moynihan so I apologize keep going look I was just saying

that I think that there is a legitimate conversation to be had and I don't and this is not going to do with J.D. Vance I don't think this is like the sort of province of J.D. Vance something he should have a conversation about but there's a legitimate conversation to be had about what the right is

in this kind of Groyper phenomenon it is a thing like if we can talk about, you know, the people that get out there and praise the death of Luigi Mangione, sorry, the killing of the executive by Luigi Mangione. I mean, this is not a majority of people, but enough to go down there and cheer at a courthouse, right? Nick Fuentes was at January 6th,

and I think he was wearing a MAGA hat that day. He's been disaffected from Donald Trump because Donald Trump has been very pro-Israel. He doesn't like J.D. Vance because his wife is Indian because he's a racist. I mean, this is a pretty straightforward thing. It's not like I have to do some Kremlinology here, but there are those, if you want to have the conversations about the

radicalization of young men, that's an insane conversation in the way they're having it. But there is a small group of people who are being introduced to conservative politics in a 4chan, 8chan way that is troubling. And you see a lot of it on it. And it's just like, it's, you know, and there's a part of this where people started saying the word retarded a lot more and just saying it constantly to say how this is how transgressive That's actually gotten to a place where people use racial slurs for the same reason. I don't know if they're racist, but they just say it because that's the transgressive things.

There's a conversation there that's interesting, but it's never the one that we're having because it's trying to say, this group is racist or this group. It's not racist. Whatever. There is a serious conversation to we had about some of these outer precincts in the horseshoe theory of far right, far left, in what they mean to the movements of both. I got to take a break. But when I think about 4chan and the groups you do, I think about. lying in wait Democrat killers. That's what I think is happening over there. I'm not worried

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Texas in particular, go buy a ticket because we start there next weekend. And then we head west with our pals from the fifth column among many others. Okay. I wanted to do one more soundbite from the AOC Bernie interview before we completely move on from that because it was kind of interesting and maybe potentially telling and it was on the subject of whether she's going to challenge Chuck Schumer in, you know, his next senatorial bid. Here it is. But are you saying that Senator Schumer should not be worried about a primary challenge from you? I mean, no, let me jump in on this one. This is what we're talking about.

That's exactly what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. You have a country that is falling apart. We're at a house housing crisis, a health care crisis, an education crisis, massive income and wealth and equality, a corrupt campaign finances them. And the media says, oh, you're going to run, what are you going to run for? Nobody cares. So one more. Nobody cares.

It's the House Speaker and President Trump and the Vice President saying it. All right. Pardon? Well, of course, they're saying it to be. deflect the tension away from the real issue. Exactly. And he'll let me tell you what the real issue is. But if CNN talks about it.

And you'll just have to wonder because we cut the sound bite too early. Okay. Billion of it. Why it was about health care. But why is such a, why is such an adverse reaction to the subject of whether she's going to challenge Chuck Schumer in a primary bid? She kind of had that blush, didn't she? The first thing before she started gesticulate. wildly there's a little bit listen back to i think i thought she said no at the beginning and then

spun that into something else she did say no but she might have been saying no that's not what i'm saying so i mean right when you when you say this when you do this well this is what the media does this is the problem it's not actually that is the problem with politicians it's a totally sensible question it's it's a question that new yorkers want to know that people in that are interested in politics want to know that america would like to know about it's a totally reasonable question and the deflection is there to say well there's other things happening in the world that are bad can you not walk and chew gum yeah but do not have two questions we can talk about and they do talk about because i watch that damn thing they do talk about health care they do talk about all

these other things is it what is wrong with asking that question it is that is a complete ridiculous you know what about this safest politics in america is being mad at the media this is true um yeah because americans hate the media more than they hate even their own lives or actually they love their own lives. They hate the media. Democrats don't hate the media. Democrats hate the media too. Bernie does.

The populist aside, right? Populism, there's a reason why Bernie and Trump both kind of rose up at the same time. And that part of the Democratic Party has always been had something against the media. I covered the Ralph Nader campaign in 2000 when he got 2.7% of the vote. He was against the oligarchs in the media and the corporate media this and the corporate media of that every single day. He wouldn't stop talking about it. And it's popular because people do feel alienated. for the media. I think their analysis of the media has been absolutely wrong for a really long time. And they will say with a straight face that the media is run by Republicans and corporate lobbies. And they've been saying that for 30 years. They're wrong. But it's a popular message. You can always blame it. I was once moderating a libertarian party debate. God help me. Like presidential debate. I know back in like 2016 or something. And one of the candidates just decided, and he's a guy I know.

and I'm friendly with but he decided to take a perfectly normal question like you know would you abolish everything and then that's the problem with the media and then afterwards he's just like cheapishly like you know I gotta do that I give an example of this on the

on the kind of left version of this is John Oliver who's a apparently a comedian but he has a show on HBO and he did a whole piece on my friend Barry Weiss the other day And in the lead-up here, it was so dishonest. Keep going.

Oh, horrible. But in 10 minutes, he's like, you know, the corporate media. And he talks about Jeff Bezos and the guy who owns the L.A. Times now, Patrick, whatever's name is. Soon's young. Yeah, he's been on your show. He's a bit maha. Jeff Bezos, who's nobody's idea of a conservative, but he's been, you know, say, let's make the editorial page of the Washington Post, free minds and free markets

like reason so now he's in the you know the sites of people like this but it's like I was thinking watching this have you never heard of Carlos Slim have you never heard of any of these other billionaires who have taken over media corporations and the reason now

that they're re-spinning this is that well they're becoming a little bit disaffected and you have people bringing Barry Weiss in to break it up CBS the third place in the ABC CBS NBC CBS NBC rating sweepstakes for news and that terrifies them

so now they're turning all the guns on the media because the owners in their I think this is a completely demented worldview are people that are nominally of the right. This is our territory we get to own the media, not you guys when we do and that's

you know and Bernie Sanders one obvious thing that is so damn obvious that you don't even notice it and he's like is CNN going to talk about this and it's like you're on You're upset. Listen, what? One of the hand, you're very good at the imitations.

Yeah, we've noticed this before. But you're very talented at that. Here's what's really bothering now. Okay, so first of all, all you saw for the listening audience was extreme physical discomfort. Like, she got the hands above the midline immediately. He jumped in to save her. Clearly, they both knew that she did not want to talk about primarying Chuck Schumer, and that if that were to come up, he was going to run.

run in to save her. He was a little asleep at the switch. So she got really uncomfortable. She doesn't want to talk about it, which suggests she's going to do it. Either that or a presidential run, I don't know. But for whatever reason, she really didn't want to talk about it and wasn't able to deftly handle it, like any politician can when they get asked a question that they don't want to answer. That's, you know, a day ending in why. It should be. But on the subject of like why they're getting so upset about these media buys, maybe this has something to do with it. I'm trying to find our pal, Harry Enton. He's on my very long

sot list someplace. I'm searching. There we go. Okay. Sop three. I started on the wrong page. Yeah. Stop three. Maybe this has something to do with it. You go back to April, Cape Baldwin. What were we looking at? Well, we were looking at the Democrats with a very clear shot of taking

control of the U.S. House of Representatives, according to the Kalshi prediction market odds. We saw them in an 83% chance. But those odds have gone plummeting down. Now we're talking about just a 63%. chance, while the GOP's chances, up like a rocket, up like gold, up from 17% to now a 37% chance. Back to April, look at the generic congressional ballot. What you see?

You see plus three Democrats in 2025 in April. You see plus three Democrats back in April of 2017. Now jump over to this side of the screen. What happens? Well, the Democrats are no longer keeping pace with the pace that they were setting back in 2017, 2018. You look back in 2017, you saw that the Democrats had leaped up to an eight. point advantage. I think a lot of folks like myself are looking at this. We're seeing,

hey, wait a minute, those national polls are, Democrats are not gaining the way that we expect it. Then you add in the fact that the state legislators are adding potentially more GOP seats like they've already done down in Texas, like they've done in Missouri. And then you add in the potential gutting of the VRA, and all of a sudden it becomes much more difficult for Democrats to gain. So that's a long way of saying they would like to blame the media for their newfound electoral problems. It's got to be the evil media getting bought up by all these Republicans as opposed to us and our own messages that are tone deaf and off point and driving people away and have rendered the Democratic Party the worst thing one can be, which is

totally uncool. It's amazing to be in the position that they're in right now and not having a huge structural advantages, right? Like the presidents always loses ground in the midterms. It just, that's, it's, unless you're Bill Clinton and it's, uh, you're in the middle of an impeachment process in your second term, which sort of, uh, creates a boomerang effect. It's, and the averages are staggeringly high. Donald Trump, um, is a divisive, polarizing politician, um, who, uh, you know, his, his numbers never go too low, but they never go too high either. Um, and he's around for a long time. And there can be people who like him and there just have Trump fatigue enough already with all the craziness. Um, it's incredible. Um, it's

incredibly favorable atmosphere for which them to run. And they're doing this not greatly. I think it's incredibly damning of where Democrats are. You've got Trump fatigue, but you've also got resistance fatigue. I think a lot of people are exhausted by the hyperbolic rhetoric about fascism is coming. Even while you're seeing these somewhat controversial policies where the National Guard gets deployed in Illinois and you've got this No Kings Day response. And there's scenes of tear gas. There are these scenes. of people being grabbed up in, in courthouses and various other places, but it's charged. You would actually expect it to have more repercussions, perhaps to show up in the polling a little

bit more. The Democrats, people are in favor of it. They're not doing anything, and they are still losing round. It's very strange. Yeah. People are in favor of it. And, you know, they, the kind of those momentary scenes come and go. I think one of the things you can't underestimate is that we saw a lot.

lot of polling about how Democrats and how Republicans, particularly young Democrats and Republicans were moving away from Israel on what came to foreign policy. That ultimately doesn't matter when you see what happens with the hostages being released, Donald Trump speaking in front the Knesset, world leaders praising him. Everybody in Israel, the man, by the way, who is, you know, he has dinner with Nick Fuentes, is an anti-Semite. And there's a big image of him on the beach of Tel Aviv that he can see flying in on Air Force One. I mean, God, these Jews in Israel have really misunderstood the anti-Semite that they're cheering. I kind of trust them. You know, I just he's such a bad anti-Semite. Trump sucks at anti-Semitic. Oh my God, he's the worst anti-Semite of all

time in the way that he's not good at it. Don't take that out of context, people. But the thing of that you see, he's the worst anti-Semite. Good Lord. Let's put that there, flip it there. But no, the amazing thing to me is you have somebody on TV, and this pains me to say this, but you have AOC and Bernie Sanders, and Bernie is the guy that could do it, AOC

is the one who can't, because the first clip we saw of AOC is exactly why is she going to run for president, et cetera, she can't, and the reason she can't is the thing that pains me to say is Americans, unfortunately, for us, libertarian types, they love economic populism. They love this stuff.

And Marjorie Taylor Green is talking about, how we're kicking people off of health care, and she's, you know, drifting away from even further away from that former version of like Reaganite conservatism, which was free market, etc. But the problem is they're saddled by this cultural policy. AOC cannot get away. We see the Zoran Mamdani doing like a run for Gaza, you know, on like October 8th or something and saying that, oh, I don't want it. This is not. I'm the mayor of New York. It's like, you're running for God. Like what? You care about these issues. These are issues. that are not popular amongst like a broad swath of people

because they're too extreme. I mean, when she's talking about men and the toxicity and blah, blah, blah, blah. You can't be present by it. If you just did the Bernie thing, that is how Democrats could gain ground. Harry would be showing different numbers. Yeah, and this place up also to Virginia, right?

I mean, you have a gubernatorial race there that is now getting saddled with AOC-like culture war issues that it absolutely does not need to be. Complete self-owned. It's a complete cell phone. It's not hard to say, no, I'm against this. No, you shouldn't, like, fantasize about the death of people, and we shouldn't have in high schools or junior high schools

people who were born male in a female locker room. That's not a hard straightforward. Did you guys see that set up that the Dems tried to do on Winsome Sears yesterday and it completely backfired on them? So the Democratic Party of Virginia tweeted out at Winsome Earl Sears saying, Sears must call on these young Republicans implicated in the racist tech scandal to step down from their positions. And Winston Sears retweeted it with a response that read, easy.

They absolutely must step down. Now it's your turn, Abigail. I mean, just such a burn. So good. They did not see that. They're going to win some. Yeah. So we're yelling that because winsome is Jamaican like Camille.

I'm in America. I was born here. Yeah, yeah. But, you know. She nailed it. And Abigail Spanberger has still not withdrawn her endorsement of the I love murdering Republican children, Jay Jones. But so make me attorney general. Instead, the Democrats want to talk about these young Republicans in that text threat.

Okay. Let's keep going. I do want to get to Mum Donnie. That's coming up. But since we touched on Democrat messaging and how they just kind of keep resorting to hysterics about Trump, like that's going to work. like that's going to work. They haven't learned that lesson either from 2024. They had ratcheted up the fascism and the Hitler accusations, I mean, 2 and 11.

They lost. They're still at it. Here's Bradley Whitford, who played top presidential aid on the West Wing. And I'm telling you, it's like Gil Brenner, we learned in American musical theater the course I took when I was in 10th grade that I made my high school boyfriend take with me. He was captain of the football team and he never forgave me for making him sit through. Everything. West Side Story, the king and I. It was wonderful. Anywho, as we learned about Ewell Brenner in that class, he got into like some temporary delusion after playing the king and the king and I, for a period, really thought he was the king. And that is what's happened to Bradley Whitford. I'm sorry to tell you. He played a top presidential aide in the West Wing, and now he thinks he is a political expert. He offered some of that expertise on the view yesterday. And obviously was cross-examined super hard by the fact-based Joy Bayar. Let's take a look at how that went in SOT 22.

And right now, public servants are under attack. Yep. It's been politicized in a way that is unprecedented. I am living in a world where we have internment camps. Yes. Where in my community, people are jumping out of vans and people going through a legal. asylum process are being taken away without charges and the thing that's very upsetting

to me right now. And we're giving these internment camps funny names. Yeah. Like there's some fun alligator to be had in the inhumanity of it all. It's a very strange time for me. It's a disgrace, really. It's a disgrace. Yeah, it's a disgrace. Okay. So there are internment camps. I mean, I didn't know that.

I thought Alligator, Alcatraz was a place we were putting illegals who we were arresting and about to deport in a place where we could manage them humanely before they had to ship right on out of here. Alligator Alley actually is, or Alcatraz is actually kind of nice compared to a lot of the prisons where they normally go, if you want to know the truth. There's no internment camps here. and the notion about as they're going through a legal asylum process, okay, in the same way Joe Biden can say, come on in, come on in, we may give you asylum, go through the process. The next president can say, we're not going to.

Your process has ended, goodbye. That is okay to do. There is no obligation on the part of President Trump to see that through to the end. He can make a summary decision. Actually, I totally disagree with that policy. We are not granting 10,000, 30,000 Haitians asylum. After all, we have enough. So the rhetoric hasn't calmed down.

I'll give you one more, and then I'll toss it to you guys. Here it is SOC 23. I'm talking about my dad a lot. He died a long time ago. He would be over 100 years old, 110. He fought in World War II. When fascism was on the rise, he was on a minesweeper with torpedoes coming at him. He was Antifa.

He was Antifa. Yes. God. Oh, my God. He would wear a frog costume and he'd be outside of the porthouse. Nice. Your father would be in Portland. I cannot shake this sense.

Like, we, Megan, we, we love coming on the show. We enjoy all of our various conversations with you. No, there's no butt. There's no butt here. We have agreements. We've had sustained disagreements. We've discussed all of these various policy policy choices that are being made, et cetera, et cetera. What we try not to do in those conversations is engage in the kind of hysterics that he was engaging in. Yeah. The inflamed language, like everything is on 10. Everything is the worst imaginable thing. This episode of the Megan Kelly show is actually an opportunity for Democratic. Just watch this. Just pay attention to what's being said here.

All of the things that you're doing that are harming, you don't have to do them. You could make your counter arguments. You could make your case without resorting to absolute absurd nonsense. You don't think they know this? I don't think they know it because they keep doing this unless what they secretly want is for MAGA to win forever. I am like offended by the frequency with which people abuse the history. historical record by saying things like let's even let's even be nice to them and say you know on at this table as you well know megan we have a lot of disagreements with trump and the way he handles

things etc but the idea that this is fascism that is something that I have been arguing against and I get these emails all the time such and such a bad things happen oh you do you think it's fascism now no I don't as a matter of fact because fascism was a very real thing and What they're trying to provoke is an idea of Adolf Hitler. And I have a picture on my phone. I was on the subway the other day because I'm a working class hero. And I take the subway and get harassed by people all the time. And there was a woman across from me who had a button on that had a picture of Trump facing Hitler.

And it was just like this like 65-year upper east side woman who had a picture of Hitler. And it said like, you know, continue the resistance. I can show it to you. I think I sent it to you guys. this picture of this. But this kind of rhetoric, internment camps, by the way, I wish the people of the view would have been asked the fall of question. What do you guys think of FDR? You're big fan of FDR? Yeah. How'd that go? Who was responsible for the internment camps? Who got that idea into our heads?

FDR. It was Trump. Sorry. But this idea that we're at fascism where you can say that there are authoritarian instincts. Fine. Fascism is a very distinct thing. And I think it's an insult to all of the people that survived fascism that actually fought real fascism, paid with their lives. And this, the comparison is not even in the same universe. And I, Trump is a lot like Hitler. It's just that he's saving the Jews instead of killing them. But other than that, they're the same.

But it's a big trip. Yeah. Yeah. Get them all in one place. That's what you do. Right. But he's, I mean, he would save six million. If he could, that's how much of a fascist he is.

That's, it really is looking in. in the mirror image of Hitler. He's trying to save all those Jewish lives and make Israel a safe place for decades. And that's why we have to wear buttons condemning him. Hold on. There's one more that we have to play, according to my team. Oh, yeah.

Do we really? I'm so over him. Yeah, we do. I'm not going to do it. I don't know who it is, but we do it. All right. I'll just look at it's, he does this all the time. Stop 20.

The original No King's protest was 250 years ago. Americans decided they didn't want to live. under the rule of King George III. They declared their independence and fought a bloody war for democracy. We've had two and a half centuries of democracy since then. Often challenging, sometimes messy,

always essential. And we've fought in two world wars to preserve it. Now we have a would-be king who wants to take it away. King Donald I first. Fuck that. Why does he think it's going to work this time? I'm glad that

we like 1776 again. right yeah right you need a whole like five year span there where that wasn't the real founding of the country the real founding is when we started slavery here and all politics has been downstream from that and 1776 was a hypocritical lie and we never really meant it and just look at all those slaveholders who did x y and z the revolutionary war is awesome the declaration of independence is awesome i hope everyone's got semi as quintennial fever as much as uh and i'm not i'm not i'm not a i'm not a unhappy at all that they're calling their protest no kings i don't like kings either um and it's if that's getting you back in touch with your 1776ness if for example you would from this lesson that hey maybe when my um party has the presidency we will also give the president less power because then he will abuse it in ways that george washington wouldn't have liked i would love that to be a conclusion it's not going to be a conclusion at all but um i will take baby steps towards the direction of actually being happy and proud of the American founding

and trying to be rejuvenated by it. I think we all... It'd be great. Hey, I've never heard the Democrats touted the First Amendment as much as they did in the wake of Kimmel. So great. And, you know, it does support the theory that they have to have it done to them

in order for them to get back in line on our shared common principles, like free speech. But wait, I want to read you what Trump said about these no kings. So the audience knows these Democrats are organizing these left-wing groups like the ACLU and MoveOn.org and Human Rights Campaign are organizing these no kings protests. They tried to do it in June. They had about 1,700. Now they're doing it again. They have about 2,200 people across the country having these rallies. I just hope they keep their clothes on. We've seen some in like Portland where they're naked on bike.

I was just going to say that that's got dangerous. In Portland. In Portland. Yeah. That's a weird. That's dangerous for both sides. Like there's no good outcome for women or men in going naked on a bike, okay? But here's what Trump says. A huge thank you to all the no king's protesters yesterday.

I was very concerned a king was trying to take my place. But thanks to your tireless efforts, I am still your president. Great job all. That is incredibly funny. But to Matt's point, I think it's a really, really important point. Of that particularly going through the whole kind of 1619 era, which was a long era for people who live in certain states and went to certain universities, that this idea that America has been one long interrupted, uninterrupted string of indignities and horrors visited upon ex-group, the love of the country that everything has been great, according to Robert De Niro, until now, it's like, good Lord, that's like a Paul Johnson version of America. American history rather than a Noam Chomsky one. And just one small point, we didn't save democracy in World War I. It was, we shouldn't have been there. That was a big mistake. But World War II

is great, but big mistake in World War I. But getting back to that idea that there's something worth saving, but the problem is they don't believe any of this shit. And the second, it's no longer relevant to the points of the protests they're having, the points that they're making. They're going to go back to saying that this country has that original sin and it can never get beyond it, which is the thing that frustrating. I've got to play now Katanji Brown Jackson from the Supreme Court argument yesterday. I don't know if you guys watched any of this, but there was a very good update in our morning update, our AM update show today on what happened at SCOTIS yesterday. And if you haven't listened to that, I highly recommend to take three minutes of your

time to listen to that piece of the show, which is only 15 minutes long to begin with. But long, long story short on this case that was just argued yesterday. Comes out of Louisiana. Louisiana has six representatives. They had one district that was majority black, and there was a lawsuit saying somehow that's racist. We're one-third of the population in Louisiana said a bunch of black complainants, and we shouldn't only have one district. This is illegal race discrimination under the Voting Rights Act.

That case wound its way up. The courts said, you know what, this is racist. You have to create another district. So they created two, two majority black districts in Louisiana. then non-black, which I guess it's just everybody who's, you know, white or Hispanic or Asian, whatever, non-black complainants filed their own lawsuit saying, this is bullshit. Why did we create a second district just for black people? Like, it was, there was nothing wrong with the way we did it before. And it's basically like, to me, I read it as Republicans being like, hey, if we want a gerrymander, we can gerrymander. You can't gerrymandered it based on race, but you can certainly do it based on politics. The Democrats are the ones who taught us that. So long story short, it goes up to Supreme Court. They hear an argument last spring, but then they held their opinion, and they said, let's re-argue it with some additional constitutional provisions addressed,

not just the Voting Rights Act. Let's talk about the 14th Amendment. Let's talk about the 15th Amendment, try to convince us whether this scheme can stand under those tests. So they went back before the Supreme Court yesterday, both sides. And now it's Louisiana and the non-white complainants and the Trump administration on one side. And it's the, sorry, not- black complainants, and it's the black complainants on the other side, right, along with like the ACLU and all these other groups who say, this is racist, racist, racist. So that's the argument in a nutshell. Was Louisiana right to create a second district that's just black majority because somebody said voting rights act, this is discrimination because there are more blacks in

the state than appear to be represented, assuming that they mostly vote them in Louisiana, in this district-wide lines, these lines. It's not going to go the way of the black complainants. It's going to go Louisiana's way. That seems really clear. The Supreme Court seemed very much ready to side with the Trump administration in Louisiana and say, this is bullshit. This looks like politics, not racism.

And there's a difference. But here is Katanji Brown Jackson. in to try to rescue this scheme by comparing black people today in 2025 America to disabled Americans who had absolutely no facilities made available to them prior to the Americans with Disabilities Act. Listen. And my kind of paradigmatic example of this is something like the ADA. Congress passed the Americans with Disabilities Act against the backdrop of a war. that was generally not accessible to people with disabilities.

And so it was discriminatory in effect. Congress said the facilities have to be made equally open to people with disabilities if readily possible. I guess I don't understand why that's not what's happening here. The idea in Section 2 is that we are responding to current-day manifestations of past and present decisions decisions that disadvantaged minorities and make it so that they don't have equal access to the voting

system, right? They're disabled. Disable. So 2025 America, the irony of this being a black woman sitting on the Supreme Court of the United States comparing herself to basically disabled people 50 years ago who couldn't get into any building because none of them had ramps. There's spend no progress. We're really back where we were. Everything's racist. And therefore we can't change anything because we're basically still in the Jim Crow South. Yeah, I mean, they're virtually obliged to make an argument. Why are you looking at Camille Moynihan? Because he's disabled and I feel bad. Then he has to answer. Was that? I was giving it a try. Yeah. I think I think that the original sin here, like of all

of this. And I find it genuinely fascinating is that there is this racial essentialist philosophical commitment in the law. It's baked into the law. The reason everyone is always, well, have we done enough here? Is it time to sunset these laws? Is because everyone knows that this sort of affirmative discrimination or affirmative bias in the law, whether you're discriminating against people because you dislike them or because you want to help them, it is antithetical to the principle of equality under the law. It is antithetical. They're at odds.

We're trying to remedy some past harm by making the law do something that we know is at odds with the spirit of the Constitution. And as a result, the argument she has to level is, well, no, no, I mean, we just haven't done enough yet. I mean, they're basically just children. We need to help them. And in her case, Supreme Court Justice, essentially making an argument because she's self-identifies this way, you need to help us. Like you haven't done enough for me. I find the entire

thing pretty obscene, but I also think we're uncovering something here. And to the extent that there is a correction here that's being made by the Supreme Court, and we've seen a number of rulings along these lines that suggest that people are well past this. Even in California, they've managed to knock down affirmative action efforts there. People want equality under the law. They prefer that to equity. This in many respects is the crux of the debates and some of the arguments that we were having back in 2020, 2021, when the Black Lives Matter was ascendant. Do we want a country where everyone is treated the same way? Or do we want a country where we designate you disadvantaged or advantaged? And then we prioritize you under the law so that we can level the playing field and

turn America into Harrison Bergeron. And I know which one of those things is attractive to me. it's unfortunate that Katanji Brown Jackson and so many other people are stuck in this outmoded way of thinking. It is entirely possible to address people's needs without imagining that all of us who happen to have a particular hue in our skin are categorically disadvantaged or that everyone who is a little lighter is categorically advantaged. It is obnoxious. It is wrong. It is an abject falsehood that we should be all looking to move beyond. And I'm happy we're having some of these disagreements, I hope that we have them in, like, substantive enough ways for people to actually understand what's happening here. No one wants discrimination, except for the people

who are advocating for discrimination openly. And whether you're advocating for it, because you want to help people or not, doesn't matter. It is still discrimination. Yeah, that is like Chief Justice Roberts says, the answer to dividing us by race is not more dividing us by race. The answer to past discrimination is not more discrimination, contrary to what Ibram-X-Kendi says. A fact check on something I said a minute ago, that Trump No King's Post was not real. I got fooled by the internets. That's sad. It sounded like him.

As the best fake tweets will lead you to believe that it's real, it sounded like him. But in any event, well said, Camille, and we'll now await the decision. Because part of what that Harry Enton clip we played was referring to was if the Supreme Court does fine in favor of Louisiana,

this could lead to redistricting in a number of of states that actually could cost the Democrats a number of seats. The number I heard was as many as seven potentially. And so it really would matter electorally. It's kind of funny to me how the Republicans essentially are saying, we are gerrymandering, but not on race, based on politics. We're not trying to keep down blacks, just Democrats. And everybody's kind of like, yeah, that's the thing we're all really familiar with. The Democrats do it to the Republicans and vice versa. Okay, we're going to take a quick pause and then when we come back, we have

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The guys from the fifth column are back with me. Zora and Mamdani seems poised easily to win this mayoral race, which is depressing because he gives answers like this. asked very straightforward questions on Fox News by the very talented Martha McCallum, Sot 4. If you are asked tomorrow night, if you give credit to President Trump for the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas and the return of the 20 living hostages, would you raise your hand? When it comes to the ceasefire, I am thankful and I have hope that it will actually endure and that it will be lasting. And I continue to have concerns because I've seen reports still,

It's just in the last few days that five Palestinians were killed by the Israeli military. And that's what gives me pause about issuing any kind of praise or celebration at a moment when it is still so in its infancy. And what I will tell you is that in that same moment, it is also one that requires a focus on ensuring that that hope, that belief in a better future, is one that is emblematic in our policies right here in New York City as well. And that's what we're hoping to lead with. Would you give President Trump credit or not, to any extent, credit or not? I think it's too early to do so. Too early to say. But if it proves to be something that is lasting, something that is durable, then I think that that's where you give credit.

You're an asshole. We have fucking 12 of 20. 20 hostages are free. Don't be such a dick. I'm sorry, but like 20 hostages are free. What do you mean it's too early? Today's the day. Back forever.

Why is he doing that? Why? Because he doesn't want to answer the question. I mean, your point is right. I mean, he's an asshole because, I mean, we say, well, if it's lasting, if you're, If anybody watched those scenes on, I believe it was Monday night, and I stayed up to watch it was, you know, they were being released at 9 a.m. in Israel. And it was like unbearable to watch it because it was so happy and so depressing. And because, you know, you have people who of 28 bodies

that didn't come back. I mean, I think eight did and one wasn't even at a husband. It was a Palestinian. And it was in like to watch all of that in the families and the joy and the the heartbreak was unbelievable and unbearable almost to watch, but it was a happy, joyous moment. And if you can't share in that joy, something's really wrong with you. You know, you had Zoran Mamdani's wife, and I don't blame him for his wife's politics,

but posting something on Instagram, you know, mourning the death of this Hamas operative, who is called Mr. Fafo, if you've been following this, you know who he is. Yes, yes. He celebrated 107. Yeah, he celebrated 107. It's a video of him.

joyous on that day and who was killed by other Palestinians. What Mamdani says, five people were killed by Israel since the ceasefire. I don't know who those people are. I don't know if that's right. If they were fighters, if they were raising guns to people. But there's lots and lots of video online that anyone can open their eyes and see of Palestinians being killed by Hamas. In the Wall Street Journal, incredible story, a really deeply reported story yesterday on the front page of the Wall Street Journal of what has happened since Hamas has not been fully disarmed and you know Trump's response to that

which was a great one is if you don't the word we is what he used he said if you don't disarm we are going to do it so you better be smart about this which was like Trump did actually say that one unlike my tweet he actually did say that that was not they will be disarming Hamas will be disarming

or we will disarm them let me give you seconds Zora Mamdani soundbite on this exact front She asked a very good question here in South Five. So you've denounced Israel and the United States for the response to the slaughter on October the 7th. In fact, at times you've called it a lasting stain, the response, and at times you have left October 7th out of your statements completely around this issue. You just talked about Israelis killing some Palestinians, but Hamas is killing Palestinians within Gaza. and they have not returned the bodies that they promised to return, including two Americans.

So what is your response to what Hamas is doing now? I think those are bodies and remains that should absolutely be returned, and I think that I have no issue with critiquing Hamas or the Israeli government, because my critiques all come from a place of universal human rights. And my focus, however, is right here in New York City and transforming the most expensive. Do you believe that Hamas should lay down their weapons and leave the leadership in Gaza? I believe that any future here in New York City is one that we have to make sure that's affordable for all

and as it pertains to Israel and Palestine that we have to ensure that there is peace and that is the future that we have to fight for. But you won't say that Hamas should lay down their arms and give up leadership in Gaza. I don't really have opinions about the future of Hamas and Israel beyond the question of justice and safety and the fact that anything has to abide by international law.

Absolutely. A sigh is just separate from justice and safety? But by the idea, I mean, the idea that he hasn't made any comments about the future of the region, a provable, demonstrable lie. On a daily basis. On a daily basis, on Instagram and in comments. But if you cannot say, and I'm sorry, this city is the city that I live in, the city that I love dearly, it is not the Middle East. But if you say, well, I make comments all the time, but I'm not going to make one right now, by the way.

I will see things about Hamas, but I'm not going to say it right now. If you cannot say that this is a knuckle-dragging death cult that murders Jews and enshrined in their charter is the elimination of the state of Israel. And if you cannot denounce that, I don't think you should be mayor of this city. And I don't think that's a crazy opinion. And not just murders Jews. Totally agree. No, most of these Palestinians.

Yeah. A vector of. Anyone non-Hamas is potentially in danger. No, it's terrifying. Cuomo is within like 10 or 11 points of him, according to the latest poll. But he would need Sliwa to drop out. the Republican, and he would have to be banking on Lee was 15% to all

go to Andrew Cuomo, which is a big question mark because I think I speak for all Republicans when I say, we can't stand Andrew Cuomo and we don't want to help him, but we also want to stop Zora Mamdani, so it's very hard. What? Say it again? Say again? You should keep his promise to come on the fifth call and stop punting.

Yeah. Andrew Cuomo? Yes. Scheduled interviews in the mega. Will you do me favor? Do me favor. If that does wind up happening would one of you guys just call me beforehand just let's just have a conversation before no no we want it to happen so please don't say this on the air we will call you but i'm only gonna say good luck and have a great time that's all i want to say to you um all right before we go we have to do

something lighter that i really wanted to bring to you um you may or may not be aware because you you focus on a lot of things on the fifth column you have a lot of things you need to report on but in 2021, something dramatic happened over at Victoria's Secret. And you probably missed it, but I'm just going to tell you how this went down. But the headline from the New York Times was Victoria's Secret swaps angels for, quote, what women want. Will they buy it? The Victoria's Secret Angels, those avatars of Barbie bodies and Playboy Reverie, are gone. Their wings, fluttery confections of rhinestones and feathers that could weigh almost 30 pounds, are gathering dust in storage, the fantasy bra dangling real diamonds and other gems is no more.

In their place, seven women famous for their achievements and not their proportions. They include, well, I'm going to show you in a minute. Don't put it up yet, Deb. I'll show you in one second who it included. And these women that they selected, quote, will be spearheading what may be the most extreme an unabashed attempt at a brand turnaround in recent memory, an effort to redefine the version of sexy that Victoria's Secret represents and sells to the masses.

Here was the woman leading the charge. Yes, Megan Rapino, lover of all things trans. That's what we got instead of the angels. We also got the plus-sized model. We were told we needed to celebrate body inclusivity. So advocate Paloma L.S. Sessor, she was there. Here she is in the middle.

She's a little hefty, not too big. But this is what they wanted you to admire and whatever else you do when you look at the Victoria's Secret models instead of the girls in the wings. I admire you. I'm just, whatever you do with your own private time. It's up to you. And so that was the question.

Will this effort spearheaded by these women who were not only going to participate in the campaigns, but going to be advisors? They were going to be. Megan Rapino was going to advise Victoria's Secret on what beauty means and how to turn around the Victoria's Secret brand. So they were spearheading the most extreme and unabashed attempt at a brand turnaround in recent members. an attempt to redefine the version of sexy that they'd been going with. Well, they just had the latest Victoria's Secret show, and let's see how that went. Huh. You're back.

The angels are back. Let's go. The angels, the 30-pound wings, the 10-foot-tall women with the rocket bodies. yeah the tans yeah the no fat you're a little for the accomplishment sorry so you're shocked shocked that it didn't work are you are you demanding more Megan Rapino please walk me through your thoughts um Megan I don't want you to put me on the spot like this because I as I said earlier I love all women and I have to empower them um but I think that these women are really doing a job of empowering women that the other ones couldn't.

I don't know what I'm there, but they love something intangible. I think like the second girl, her novel was incredible. Did you read her novel? Second girl was it was in Russian, but like I think it's in translation now, but it's amazing. And the other. It's been a lot of time, a lot of time with it. The great, it's only a man could do this. Not that.

Only a man could say the thing at the beginning is that we are going to do things for women. We're going to put women out on the catwalk for women. Have you ever seen a woman's Instagram feed? It's all hot women. I'm like, what is all beautiful women? Granted, it's who are following on Instagram. Yes, because, yeah, because they don't want to look at Megan Rapino any more than a man does. Nobody wants to look at her.

I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. Men like looking at hot women. Literally nobody wants to look at Megan Rapino. And everyone, male and female, if they have eyes, would like to look at those Victoria's Secret Angels and say, hashtag goals. The goals are different, but they're there for both of us. And somebody figured that out. Because, you know, these women are fine, but I only have an eye for one woman.

Oh, God. Oh, Lord. You know, it's over it. But they're fine. Yeah. They're doing fine. They might have a part them. I want to have a universalist thing, too, at the end and say that I have an eye for all women.

Yes. And it's obvious when I'm in a room. I've told me. I'm very respectful and not only a lot of their achievements. Yes. You've got, can you guys indulge me literally just three extra minutes? I know I do this to you all the time. I promise. I will have you out of here by the top of the hour, but I've got to go over this other piece of this story.

And you are the perfect guess for it. There was a report on CNN just a couple of days ago that the headline of which is as follows. after years of progress on gender, the male gaze is back. Gays. Progress on gender. Gays as in G-A-Z-E. Yeah, not the male gays have always been around. They did not go away.

The male gays were always there, CNN. No. And this, okay, so written by somebody named Madeline Holcomb, writer for CNN, wellness. And here is what she writes. In the past decade, I saw the evidence of progress in my media diet. The movies, the shows, the books, the advertisements I consumed were increasingly giving women a seat at the table. Heroin's chic fell away, and body positivity entered the fashion world. Stories about a woman stealing your man were traded for celebration of the girl's girl,

who resisted the competition for men's attention. It seemed like women were taking a deeper breath with such heavy cultural restrictions, and then there was a shift. The recent rise of weight loss medications. It coincided with social media influencers, sharing ways to get smaller and no longer celebrating bodies of all sizes. Advertisements followed suit, making men's desire once again a dominating factor in how stories are told and how women are portrayed. The culprit I have learned is the male gaze. It's the gays.

They get blamed for everything. It was always there. But now it has stepped back into the spotlight. The male gaze came roaring back this summer. The Sydney Sweeney ad, she mentions, another beauty campaign that was led by somebody hot. And this year saw viral content around the only fan lunatic who wanted to break the world record for most sexual partners.

Somehow that's part of what republicanism and their desire to bring back what is normal male behavior. if you are observing women in movies, TV, fashion, social media, and marketing, and they don't feel as fully materialized as their male counterparts, that is the male gaze. That's the male gaze. The woman's value is reduced in so far as existing for pleasure, or basically to be an object, says the Loyola University of Chicago, Quinlan School of Business Professor, they quote, and then just a bit more. and I'll give it to you boys. It's bond girls and a long, lingering shot panning up a woman's body and an advertisement for soda.

You're looking at Cindy Crawford, clearly. It's when an action movie accessory is running through explosions in tiny shorts and flowing... Every man is enjoying these images in their head right now. That's the way life works. flowing curled hair before collapsing helplessly in the hero's arms and a social media star making a recipe while all dolled up in explaining her steps in a soft, sultry voice. Okay.

So that's her theory. By the way, you won't be surprised to learn. She later reveals that the prevailing perspective in stories, art and advertising, is not just male, but white. And all of this makes those who don't align with those identities have less power. It's disempowering. She feels unmaterialized. I follow Hallie Berry.

Do you remember that Bond girl, the one that was like 350 pounds that was like running a thing with the bond? Do you remember when James Bond was 300? Yeah. That is the actual. I would take all of this more seriously if they were advocating for me. Like what about how I feel every time I see Henry Cavill or the rock or something get cast and something? And they're just focused on their abs. Like, yeah.

How does that meet for you? Have you ever seen a fat guy with his shirt off on the cover of a magazine? Yeah. I've seen as a joke. I've seen very big women. Who? Seen who? Have you ever seen a fat guy with his shirt off on the cover of a magazine's health?

It must have been like a Chris Farley magazine cover. It's a laugh line. It's like John Candid. It's like a laugh line. And it's like there was that moment which she laments. I do not lament that. moment where the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, like minimum was like

500 pounds. Yeah. Minimum. Yeah. It was just like, it was baseline and like missing a limb. It was everything you couldn't just and that I was just like, oh, okay. You must share my fetish. That's what's... I'm speaking for the hockey I'm not interested in that. No, and they were

literally putting transvestites or transsexual like men posing as women. You're like people with penises in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. And now if you don't like that, that's because you're I guess part of the problem. White, male, and empowered. Has failed.

I mean, Victoria's Secret reverts to the wings. The Sports Illustrated swimsuit model puts swimsuits. Playboy went like non-nudity for like a hot. Yeah, a couple of years. They're like, what are we doing? Wait, who are we? In an Irish bar not serving whiskey. This is fine that these companies aren't making money anymore because like no one,

if it was an actual money-making concern, would just, like, throw all that money off the table. But the best example of this, of the failure of this kind of ideology that was forced on us. Market was not deciding here. Progress on gender. Yeah, progress.

Imagine that. The male... And by the way, I just want to be clear to the listeners of the Megan Kelly Show, the viewers of Megan Kelly Show, that through all that period, I heroically, as a dissident, kept on gazing at women.

And no one stopped me. I was like, look, there's a hot girl that's, oh, no, no. Is this a story about another surreptitious subway picture you took? Oh, which one? The first you're photographing the woman's button, but really what else is on that camera roll? But, maybe hope still, please. Just, just, this is, like, all of this is, it's not totally unrelated to the AOC clip we started the show with, right? Like, they tried to beat mailness out of men for years.

They tried to tell you you were toxic in your masculinity if you wanted to look at the beautiful angels. And every man alive knew that was a lie. And also that you were a collaborationist if you were a female who appreciates female beauty too. Oh, wait, wait, Matt, she writes it. She says, I'll let you finish it. She writes, women sometimes turn the male gaze on one another.

It happens when they objectify themselves, promote traditional gender roles as the ideal way of living and or enforce beauty standards for others. See, so you're right. That's internalized racism of gender, right? Yeah. It's the same idea. Internalized misogyny.

Internalized misogyny. I've been accused that many times. I hate myself and I hate women. And that's why I have to rip on women. Meanwhile, I'm an equal opportunity offender. I have plenty of men I've ripped to shreds. The evidence will speak for itself. It's exactly true.

Megan doesn't hate women. She just hates lots of women. And it's not because they're women. It's because they're idiot. It's true. My daughter was watching this supermodel documentary on like Apple Plus or something, which was great. I was really interested in it.

He's such a supportive dad. I want to support you and sit here and watch and don't talk to me during it. Please go to your room. You pass me the blanket. But the funny thing about this to your point, who is responsible to this. It is actually the male gaze. Y.S. because it was just all the people doing these fashions,

there's all gay men doing this. And it's like in, deep down inside, they're still men. They're still a little bit. It's like, I'm a diabetic. I still produce a little insulin. You know, there's a bit left. We're like, we know how, you know what they want. And so the male gaze and the male gaze, it's both the problem.

Yeah. The projection, I support them. The amount of projection in our politics. They are puritanical. the extreme. You're trying to police your desires. You are not allowed to like it. It's not.

You will like Megan Rapino. Yeah, no, what a failed project. Do you like this? I'm like, no, I am not going to like this. Oh, no. We film this here in Soho, and it is a challenge to walk two blocks in Soho because of my male gaze. It's like, I walk in a studio, I walk in a potholes.

Yeah. I'm like, walking. And right. And not far. away in Chelsea, it is a problem to walk because of the male gaze, too. I mean, it's... Yeah, but that's the time when I feel good, Megan. Yeah.

Because the male gaze on me. Today, this is a funny story. Doug and I lived in Chelsea when we first got married. And it was like I had an apartment and we both moved in there. And he was living in a different place altogether. But anyway, we moved into Chelsea. And at the time, I had two little chit-sues. And after they went to the groomer, they'd get like the little bows in their hair.

You know, they look very sort of, and Doug being a great guy, he would walk the dogs. You know, I wasn't always the one who walked them. He would walk them too. And one day he came home and he goes, no rule. He goes, no more hot pink poop bags for the dogs. It's chuffing up out there. Yeah.

Hey, Doug. I mean, Doug walking to Chelsea is going to be a problem. Doug challenges a problem, but it's not, I mean, the thing is as a man when you're on the other end of that. Because, you know, women don't, they don't really do it in a bit. But when men do it to you, you're like, oh, that's pretty, that's pretty cool. Because, you know, it makes me a little like it. It depends on how intense. He's still in the States.

I don't think Doug enjoyed it. I think he was against it. And he was kind of relieved when we moved to the Upper West Side, where we just got harassed by Greenpeace, totally different story. I do want to say one of the. Every time against Greenpeace. One other real connection that this story, because this is obviously, she's a lunatic, this person.

But did you see the news that NBC laid off some 150 staffers? and they're all from the DEI department. Like the... Yeah, like the Pride Department and the DEI department. Basically, all that. The gender and the race people who are enforcing the gender and the race rules over at NBC.

And we're seeing that at company after company after company. But obviously, the NBC one jumped out at me because I thought they were super non-racist and super pro-pride and super all that. And like, all this shows is they were lying all along. They've all been lying all along. They hired these people because they were threatened.

by BLM and the human rights campaign. And it's all coming down. The House of Cards is coming down around us. Every day there's another article about how there's been mass layoffs at a company, and it's all the DEI people. And this is so promising because the more of this that happens, I'm sorry for anybody to lose their job, but I totally don't believe in this job. So that's where my comments come from. The more of this that happens, the more likely we're going to see a world in which they eliminate that fake major at all of these top Ivy League colleges where you can major in like whatever, gender studies or DEI is probably now itself a major. And therefore, people won't be funneled into this fake profession and be living their lives

around race essentialism or gender essentialism or whatever it is. So it's a very good sign. That layoff at NBC, as much as I do feel for people losing their jobs, is a very positive sign, as is the news we haven't gotten to it this week, but the news about, the young college-age students no longer identifying with anything other than male or female. Like, they're saying goodbye to non-binary and trans identities. It was at like 9% at places like Andover Prep School and Columbia University. And now it's fallen to 3%.

Like, it's way down. So the incoming freshman class is far less. and even bisexual is going by the wayside. They're not identical. They're heterosexual numbers have gone up. The male gays have stayed the same. The female lesbians have stayed the same. But hetero is going up and bi is going down.

And then over on the gender front, non-binary and trans are way down. The freshman class is far more, forgive me, normal than the senior class at these universities and even high schools are. And that's yet another reason. to celebrate. Thank God, right? But unfortunately, that fad cost a lot of people very, very dearly. So it's sad what they've been put through by disgusting corrupt medical system. But I see all of this as reason to be optimistic and hopeful. How about you guys? Yeah, a lot of people who I know were really allergic to the analysis that some of those numbers, that spike number of people self-identifying in middle school, in high school.

as non-binary or, or whatever, say, this is social contagion. And I would say this because I have a 17-year-old daughter, and I saw her circles, like suddenly everybody was non-binary, was a lesbian, was like a member of the, and just look at him like, I've known you your whole life. You are so not. Trust me. I know this. This was a social contagion moment, and people are allergic to that because they think

that it's all about a negative association with. the underlying condition, which I don't have any negative feeling towards people who expressing who they actually are or identifying as they actually are. That is fine. What I have, I don't have a warm feeling about is like peer pressure on 13 year olds to get rewarded for being marginalized into an identity that they don't actually have. And that took place. And there was some dire consequences for some people as part of that. But one of the things, one of the reasons you see these numbers going down is, you know, obviously the culture changes. But the reward system changes.

Yeah. And there, I mean, when you are a white guy who has, you know, no dog in this fight, in these kind of sweepstakes, you don't, well, I as a black, this, that, when you're just like a white guy, you could choose non-binary because it was meaningless, right? And that, and there was some, there was some reward to that. Well, I'm a non-binary person, and everybody wanted to get involved in that. I saw this close up. I was saying, like, you know, well, I don't use those pronouns.

and it's like they look, there's no indication physically, the way they dress, that they are anything but the gender that they actually are. They got a little extra credit. They got a little extra credit for that. When you take the credit away, it's much like the DEI stuff in, you know, at NBC. We talked about this on the show the other day, Megan, about, you know, what you, I talked about this with your brilliant, brilliant producer Steve Crackauer, who was on the Moynihan Report two days ago, I think two days ago.

and Steve was making a great point and we had a conversation about these shows right these Jimmy Kimmel shows they cost you know $300 million to make and they have a fraction of the viewers of like the Megan Kelly show and you know Steve making the point

that they'll be picking these things out I mean if they're smart these very very low production costs because they're losing money and but what is the first thing you do when you're at NBC and you're like okay we're losing money because we spend a bazillion dollars

in all these late night shows these other shows that don't make money and you have a department of 130 people who do nothing, but kind of wagged their finger. I mean, the market is deciding there that these are the first people you can fire. And if they produce content as in vice where Michael used to work, the content they produce is so hysterically unpopular, you cannot believe the numbers. Yeah, which I outlined in my piece for the free press about when I got a hold, because

nobody ever had the numbers of which pieces online performed well. The YouTube stuff, you could see that all those numbers were juiced, but I got an Excel spreadsheet of which pieces performed well, someone gave it to me, and I wrote about it in that piece and all the ones of, you know, Gwen Stefani is problematic because she wore a bindi

or things like that. It was absolute rock bottom. And to Megan's point that nobody believes this, I also wrote about in that piece, people that I saw on calls speaking in this insane language, and then I would speak to them two hours later, they'd be like, oh, yeah, that's ridiculous.

I don't believe any of that. Oh, my God. That's crazy. It actually happened. It happened to me. The House of Cards, it's falling. You can feel it. You see it every day in the paper, online, on X, a new report of some company eliminating

this department altogether. Next up, we have to do the majors in the colleges so these people aren't misdirected for an entire four years plus in getting an education. They could actually, you know, either skip college or get like a real major that might actually prepare you for life. Not that. And I'm super encouraged by it. I really think there's a lot of reason to hope, notwithstanding.

that more on AOC and her backward messaging on where we allegedly are. I love you guys. Thanks for sticking around late. And it did take longer than three minutes. I apologize. Great to see you. Always done. You love it. All right. See soon. Bye, guys. Love them. It's always such a great day when the fifth column comes on. You can talk about anything. I mean, it's wonderful to have a guest, a group of guests who can talk about anything. Not everybody can go in-depth on, you know, Gaza, politics, culture, and Victoria's Secret. And funny as hell. All three of them make me laugh every time they're on.

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