The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Doomed Electric Car Push, and Bud Light's Woke Backlash, with Eric Bolling, Andrew Klavan, and Dr. Marilyn Singleton | Ep. 528

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

Megyn Kelly is joined by Eric Bolling, host of Newsmax's Eric Bolling The Balance, to talk about Biden's doomed electric car push, a progressive liberal host seeing the light on the financial costs of the transition to electric, Bud Light losing billions in market value after woke, whether this could be a watershed moment for companies stopping the woke push, Biden's gaffes overseas in the U.K., the reality of his cognitive decline, and more. Then Andrew Klavan, host of Daily Wire's The Andrew Klavan Show, joins to discuss a new video showing one of the "Tennessee Three" breaking the law and attacking people in cars during the 2020 social justice protests, the media's celebration of them, performance and stagecraft in politics, the left's idea that morality grows out of power, how the right needs to learn how to win the argument, targeting of religious people in America, the difference between Caitlyn Jenner and Dylan Mulvaney, whether Trump can win in 2024, and more. Then Dr. Marilyn Singleton, a physician speaking out about the relentless focus in DEI even in medicine, joins to talk about the true effect of these efforts in the realm of healthcare, and more.Bolling: https://www.newsmaxtv.com/Shows/Eric-Bolling-The-BalanceKlavan: https://www.andrewklavan.comSingleton: https://marilynsingletonmdjd.com Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Thursday. Ahead, we are taking an in-depth look at how the left's obsession with race is now affecting the medical field and our doctors overall. What could possibly go wrong? We're going to speak with Dr. Marilyn Singleton. She was told to attend implicit bias training where people are taught all about the ways in which they are secretly racist, but perhaps don't realize it. By the way, the studies have shown that these trainings actually can bring out latent racism that never would have manifested if they had just left these people alone. She was told if she didn't do it, she could not renew her medical

license. Decades of experience didn't matter. Neither did her race. She's black. She had to go. She too might be biased as it turns out against herself. She's here to talk about her plan to fight back against this craziness. And we will also be joined shortly by our pal Andrew Klavan. There is breaking news in the case of those two Tennessee lawmakers who have been completely lionized by the left wing. Wait until you hear what one of them was doing in the post-George Floyd summer of 2020. First, however, the Biden administration unveiling a new plan to save the planet by outlawing your gas powered car. Even some progressives are now freaking out and joining us now to discuss it.

My friend Eric Bolling, host of Eric Bolling, the balance or Bolling's the balance on Newsmax. Eric, great to have you here. So let's talk about this plan. So it's basically he's doing through the EPA what he could not otherwise do. And he is saying that by 2020, 2032, in basically 10 years, we're going to have new standards imposed on us by the EPA that will essentially require at least half cars, maybe up to two thirds of vehicles to be electric. And we're going to have to get rid of our gas powered cars because of the emission standards that they're going to hand down on these makers. The White House defensive plan saying it will save Americans over the life of the ownership of their new electric vehicles over $12,000. So you're welcome. What do you make of it?

All lies. Great to be back with you, Megan. All lies. I mean, let's start with how much it's going to save. First of all, an electric vehicle costs a lot more than a comparable gas combustion vehicle. Second of all, these batteries in these cars, they're not perfect. They don't last the life of the car the way a car combustion engine will last the life of the car. You're likely to have the seats fall apart before the engine falls apart. Sure, there's repairs that need to be made. But when a battery life hits somewhere 50,000, 60,000 miles,

you have to replace those batteries. That can cost $20,000, $30,000. They don't factor that in, I'm sure, in their equation. It's insane how – and let's be very clear about something. If you were – if they were to achieve all those goals, remember Barack Obama had his goals by whatever it was, 2020, 2025, we're going to have a fully electrified fleet of American vehicles. That never happened, didn't come close. It'll get there, but if you were to electrify 50, 60, 70% of the U.S. auto fleet,

the electric grid would not be existent. We would never be able to do that. We could never fuel up or power up that many vehicles. We're just not ready for it. We can barely keep the lights on in the summer when it's hot in our major cities. Now add 400, 300 million vehicles, 350 million vehicles. They're out of their mind. Let it happen. Let it progress. Let Buc-ee's down here in Florida put electric chargers and substantial electric

chargers as they build, but don't mandate them to have 80% of their fueling positions to be electric instead of gas. And one more, boy, the fuel industry, the energy industry, the carbon hydrocarbon industry provides nine million very high paying jobs to American to the American economy. You're not going to get that with the electric. You know, you replace nine million high paying jobs. They don't think any of this through. Just like John Pierre, Corinne Jean-Pierre yesterday said, oh, President Biden has answered far more questions than President Trump or President Obama. That's another blatant boldface lie. They just lie. Shouted questions. Shouted questions. She wants him to get credit for deigning to respond when someone yells something at him. Right, right, right. That's their interpretation. You know, I mean, fact checkers show that he's far behind Trump, Obama, even Bill Clinton and George know, I mean, fact checkers show that he's far behind Trump,

Obama, even Bill Clinton and George Bush far behind, but somehow they're going to twist it. You know, there's liberal words. We're going to say, and we're going to keep saying, you're going to believe them or, or you're a bigot or you're something or racist or whatever, but you know, smart Americans know better. On the subject of the electric vehicles. So they're forcing them on us. You know, if the market wanted more of these, the market would get more of these. It's something like 5%, 7% of all cars are EVs. 2% of heavy trucks are EVs. The market is not wanting these because they can't get you coast to coast. You got to stop. You got to plug in somewhere. There aren't anywhere nearly enough charging stations for this plan that the Biden

administration is unveiling, not to mention where we're going to get the batteries from. Right now, we're dependent on China. So this is a big boon to them and not to us. So the plan seems very sketchy. And it's- Can I throw you another one? Yeah. There's another thing that no one's really talking about right now. If we were to electrify the vehicles, the whole fleet, we would be massively dependent on chips, on computer chips, on silicon chips. And those, 90% of those are produced in Taiwan right now. We don't have, there's almost a shortage of them right now. If you're going to switch over the whole fleet into a vehicle that requires far

more chips than the gas engine, we're going to be more dependent on Taiwan. If China takes Taiwan, let me tell you something. China is playing the long game. They're playing 4D chess, and we're barely getting their checkers on the board. That's a good point. And, you know, it's well, it's really scary because this is a great thing for China. It's not such a great thing for us. And while we're working so very hard to lower our emissions, what is China doing? Speaking of China, we're number two in the world when it comes to emissions. Guess who's number one? Beijing is capital of that place. So they're not doing anything, right? We're supposed to give up our gas-powered cars, or they're going to do whatever they want and cash the checks pollution is fungible it it it goes around the world so it doesn't matter where you produce it it matters you know how much you you produce we will produce more more pollution by

electrifying the whole fleet of american vehicles of the global vehicles immediately because there's the only way our electric grid will be able to supply even a portion of what they hope to be able to get us to, is to burn a ton, a gazillion tons of more coal. Coal is what fires about 40% of US power plants right now. So you're going to burn a shit ton of coal, sorry, to produce the electricity to power up even maybe 10 or 15 percent more electric vehicles they want 80 percent more electric vehicles you're going to have to power up every single coal-fired power plant that barack obama shut down you have to repower them up with coal and coal is the dirtiest of the burning carbon uh you know carbon um carbon fuel it's unbelievable it's like they haven't thought it through.

They just want to look like they had a win. They're going to deprive the American consumer of what they want. They're going to help China and they're going to produce more fossil fuel burning, but thanks to the coal. So this is really just sort of some sort of weird head fake where they just want to make themselves look good

while they ride in their private jets. You know, you're going to lose your gas powered car and I'm going to lose mine, but John Kerry is still going to be jetting from place to place on his private jets. You know, you're going to lose your gas-powered car and I'm going to lose mine, but John Kerry's still going to be jetting from place to place on his private jet, and so is Bill Gates and all the others meeting in Davos without one word of apology. Then they want to tell us,

oh, you know, somehow I managed to make it even, you know, of these sort of credits. Bullshit. You burned more fossil fuels in your one trip to get over to Davos than I'll burn in my lifetime. So spare me. So you, you have, you and I have to get on electric vehicles. They're flying in power in, in high power jets with jet fuel,

which is not electric. No one would get into an airplane if it was powered by a battery electric battery solar. Okay. But they also want to take your guns, but they're powered up with guns and all their security details. It's hypocrisy. They want control and they're the total, complete hypocrites around what is its rules for thee and rules for me. So here's the great piece of this. A lot of these emissions rules, when it comes to cars in particular, originate in California. That's the little experimental den for these kinds of things. And a lot of states have trigger laws where we just

follow what California is doing. That's separate from what the EPA is doing to us now on the federal level, but California might be a good place to start. Like let's look at what's happening out there with their EVs and how, how it's going. Well, very interesting moment with this woman who co-hosts the Young Turks. Her name is Anna Kasparian. And I think she's in California, but she's complaining about people like Gavin Newsom. And she is talking about California. So at least she either lives there or has knowledge about it. She had a light bulb moment, Eric, when this push for green energy came into her life in a very personal way, where she was talking about how her condo board decided to go into significant debt to pay for charging stations for all the electric vehicles.

Well, if the condo board does that, guess who is paying for that? The people who live inside of that building. And she's not happy about it. And she had this incredible exchange with her co-host that's gone very viral for obvious reasons. Listen to some of it. The way that it happens is I know that in California, at least, with the phasing out of gas-powered cars, and they'll probably do the same thing with gas stoves is they just ban the sale of any new gas powered cars or any new gas stoves. I get it, but that's the normal bumps in the road. Don't minimize the financial burdens associated with these things, okay? No, I'm not minimizing. Because I am literally freaking the fuck out about the charging station thing. We're gonna take out a massive fucking loan to pay for it. We're not getting any help from the fucking government on that. Did you guys ask, is there any tax credits?

But seriously, I don't give a fuck about tax credits. I wanna do something in response to climate change. That is not my issue here. My issue is how we're forced to make all these changes that are a financial burden, a giant inconvenience with little to no help. And I don't want the tax credits. Give me the money. You give me the money, okay? Don't tell me this bullshit about how I have to buy some new fucking thing because the government's forcing me to do it. And then after I file my

taxes, there's a certain portion of that purchase that might be tax deductible. Like, fuck off. I'm so sick of it. It's just like endless pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure. The middle class is the most fucked group of people in this country. But at some point, we got to go to electric cars. We don't have a choice. Like the plant's burning.

She's got a bit of a potty mouth. It's funny watching two socialists or one, two socialists. One of them is starting to see the light that socialism sucks and the climate hoax and the climate terrorists are doing things that have nothing to do with economics. And it's funny to watch. And by the way, the two of them together maybe break 100 on an IQ. I'm not sure. Maybe come close. But Kasper, again, oh, once it affects her. Oh, all the things that they're peddling for all of America. That was such a great idea. The AOC has been jamming down people's throats.

Bernie Sanders has been pushing every which way. Joe Biden has been hat tipping a trillion and a half dollars to the climate terrorists to give them to, for what? For votes? Okay, fine. But finally, when it affects their own wallet, suddenly they start coming around. It's like young people in college. They're liberal as the day is long. They're practically communist themselves until they start making some money and they got to pay tax. And they go, wait a minute, I'm not sure I like paying 50% of what I make to the government anymore. Well, jackasses, this is what you've been peddling for the last 15 years of your life. I'm sorry, wake up. It's amazing to see her realize the consequences of the policies that she has in the past supported. This is how it's going to go.

You're going to have to pay $70,000 for an electric vehicle instead of 30 or 40 for a gas part. And then you're going to have to pay your condo board for the charging stations and all the other things we discussed. Did you hear the other communists, the other St. Goiger? Did you hear what he said? Oh, did you ask the government for some help? That's what they want. That's what this is all about. Liberals and government want you asking, begging them, please, sir, may I have another?

Please, sir, can you help me charge my own freaking vehicle? This is exactly what they want. Government wants you dependent on them. And so foot soldiers, useful idiots like those two are using Biden and AOC and Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama's words and ideas until it affects them, until they realize it. And then when they do get affected, let's run back to government and say, please help us pay for those charging stations. Yeah, right. Right. We're paying for it again. And that's us. That's still us paying. Let's switch gears and talk about what's happening to Bud Light, because as an economics guy, you can explain to me what this means that they've lost. I mean, I've seen different reports

between six and eight billion dollars in market capitalization from the time this partnership with trans person Dylan Mulvaney was announced. It seems like a bloodbath for Bud Light. Anecdotally, there have been reports about the number of beer distributors complaining that people are turning off the sales, bars and pubs and groups that get together for sporting events and so on saying, no more, we're not buying it. America's turning off the spigot when it comes to Bud Light. But what does that mean that its stock price, I guess, has gone down between $6 and $8 billion in like a week, two weeks? Since March 31st, I think is when, either when the campaign, the branding campaign went live March 30th or 31st.

Market cap means how many shares outstanding times the price of the share and shares have slid in a market. By the way, that's going up. The S&P is up in that same period of time. Then the Nasdaq is up. Dow Jones is up in that period of time since March 31st. A.B. Anheuser-Busch has dropped eight7 billion in market cap. And that's a big drop. And it has to be attributed to it. If you look at the chart, I watch the chart every day, it was up and down, up and down, but it's fairly steady. On that day, when the backlash started to happen, people started selling shares in that stock. No question about it. They were concerned about the imminent backlash, which actually has arrived.

And then when that vice president, I guess the person who had this idea to put Dylan Mulvaney as their brand ambassador on, when the video emerged of her, now it happened, that video came of her was prior to the Dylan debut. But when she was talking about Bud Light being a fratty brand, well, hell yeah, it's a fratty brand. Guess who your main customers are? Frat houses and people who wish they were still in the frat house. And you alienate your base to have some sort of diversity, I don't know, cred. It's insane. So yeah, $7 or $8 billion of market cap in a market that has been going up. And by the way, it's not all beers.

Miller Lite is owned by Molson Coors. Their market cap has gone up by about a billion dollars. It's so interesting because this is not something you can get back, right? So it's like, I really want to buy my Bud Light, but I'm just going to punish them for a month. And then I'm going to buy two times the Bud Light in June just to make it up. Right? No, the months are gone. The opportunity to drink the Bud Light has passed. So even if there's some way of these guys repairing the relationship with their customer base, those sales, because this is separate from the market cap, the sales are gone. The bottom line is being hurt day after day, and it's not going to get any

better. You're right. You're right. Sales, eventually, you will see in the next quarter, in the next maybe, you know, whatever, 45 days, you'll see the slide in sales, and that'll put further pressure on the stock price. Absolutely, for sure. So the smart investors, the big money, the hedge funds who know what's going on when they see these things happen, they get out first, that drives the price down. When the earnings come out, then the retail investors start saying, wait a minute, that doesn't look going forward. It'll put more pressure on the stock. I would not buy an Iserbush stock right now, no matter what they say. Even if they say, we're just kidding about Dylan Mulvaney.

We're still fratty. I would still wouldn't buy that stock. We're still just as fratty as ever. They went from fratty to catty. So what do you think, I mean, do you think that this is a potential watershed moment in this whole go woke, go broke discussion? Could other companies be watching this? Yeah, I think they all are, Megan.

But I don't think they, I'm not sure they care because we saw the same thing happen with Major League Baseball a couple of years ago with the All-Star game. They continue Disney fighting Ron DeSantis down here in Florida. And yet these things still happen. And I've said this, I've pinpointed this, that it's the corporate boardroom that will tell us when the pendulum has swung too far in the direction in favor of diversity. I thought it was a year ago. I was wrong. It looks like it's continuing now. Maybe this is it. So when celebrities like Kid Rock and others start to go public with their distaste for a brand or what they're, or the, I'm sorry, the brand messaging, then it starts to move the needle. It's not until

the boardroom though. It's the boardroom. For some reason on these corporate boards, they are so concerned about the diversity card, the, you know, there's this thing called the CEI, the corporate equity index, corporate equity index. And it's something that these liberals you know, there's this thing called the CEI, the Corporate Equity Index, Corporate Equity Index. And it's something that these liberals push around Wall Street saying, hey, what's your index? Where are you? And if it's too low, well, you're not diverse enough. You're not doing your part. And for some reason, boardrooms who should only be concerned about share prices, stockholder value, shareholder value, share prices. The only concern a board should have is somehow now getting into, let's find out what the environment's ESG stuff, which is environment, social and governance, which is another index.

They worry about these things and they're foolish to do it. I think we're going to look back 20 years from now and look back and go, what a stupid time that was. I hope you're right. I hope we're not further immersed. Let's switch gears and talk politics right now because Joe Biden is over in Ireland and already several gaffes. I can't even keep up with them. I can't even. I don't know.

He made some gaffe about, I have no idea. I can't like some football team. And he confused it with he thought he was calling a soccer, a football team. He called him black and tan. And that's a violent military. OK, so there was that. Then he made this false claim, which he's made repeatedly. It's not true.

It's not even potentially true. He's been given the three Pinocchios even by the left-leaning press on it. But once again, here he is talking about his good buddy, Xi Jinping in China over 10 years. Not true. And actually what they're saying, where he gets the 17,000 miles, Eric, they're saying he's counting his airplane trips over to China and she's airplane trips

over. What is this? He just is disconnected from the truth. Remember when he said he walked the bridge in Selma and then he said he got arrested with Nelson Mandela. And then they had the fact, the fact checkers called him out and they corrected with it. Well, he was metaphorically walking with the people in Selma. Spiritually.

Spiritually getting arrested with Nelson Mandela. He's a, he's a, he's a, he's, he, he is a, uh, he's slipping. He's always been a pathological liar. Remember he, he had to bow out of a presidential campaign because he got caught plagiarizing his speeches. He's a pathological liar. I mean, but, but he's getting even worse. I don't even think the guy knows where he is. So I don't know. Well, here's the thing. So I don't know if this is a lie or if this is just confusion. I'm thinking this is just confusion. I'm thinking this is just confusion,

which is not, doesn't make me feel any better. But here he is describing where the Oval Office is. Take a listen to Sat1. As a matter of fact, as you walk into my office in the Oval Office

in the United States, a Capitol. No. No. Try. One more try. Well, there's that round thing in the top of the Capitol, and it's not really Oval. That is not where the Oval is, sir.

The United States Capitol. No, sir, you're in the Oval Office in the White House. By the way, you're president. You're president, Joe. And the thing is that they're thinking about running this guy again. Yeah. He says he told the Easter Bunny, or I mean Al Roker, that he's going to run, but he doesn't want to announce it. The Easter Bunny scared him.

Well, to be honest, the Easter Bunny scares me a little too. Another highlight from his trip where, okay, he's he's talking to a little boy. The child asks him a question, saying something like, what's the secret to success or the top step to success? It doesn't go very well. And I kid you not, he gets runtered. He gets runtered. He gets helped by his son, Hunter, because it was bring your child to work day, I guess, in the Biden White House. And he chose Hunter. Hunter steps in to try to rescue him. Here it is.

What's your question? What's the top step? Making sure that we don't all have COVID. What's the success? or making sure that we don't all have COVID. But why were they talking about it? It's a success. What's the key to success? What's the key to success? The key to success is whenever you disagree with someone, it's okay to question their judgment, whether they're right or wrong.

But it's never okay to question their motive. Okay. First of all, he does not live by that practice. but it's never okay to question their motive. Okay. First of all, he does not live by that practice. But second of all, this, he can't even handle the children and the questions being fired at him. I'm sure maybe you couldn't hear, maybe did not, but the point is he's not going to age in reverse as we go forward on this presidential path. He, as you know, would be 86 if he gets a second term by the end of it. So, you know, you see these moments, Eric, and we laugh about them, but are they actual cause for concern? Yeah. So his first question was, what are the steps to success? He repeats it and he has nowhere to go. So his cognitive decline is so profound. His first thought brain cells enacted were COVID.

COVID? Yes, he did. He just, COVID? So maybe he just went back to, I don't know, campaign in 20, well, I don't know, 2019, whatever moment he had that question may have been asked. And then that rambling answer, he was going down rabbit holes. People are kind of looking around.

But that's why they won't let him go to any press conferences. That's why they don't want to put him out in front of the press. He'll embarrass himself even further. And by the way, bringing Hunter to Ireland, that's funded by you and me, taxpayers. Yeah, I'm sure he's trying to strike another business deal for, you know, of which the big guy will get 10 percent right now. He's like, haven't we learned our lesson about taking Hunter with us on our business trips, whether it's to China, Ireland or anywhere else? Hunter needs to go back to the Joe Biden covid basement. And he's right. That was a top step to success for Joe Biden's presidential aspirations last time.

That's where that's where Hunter needs to be. Hunter needs not to be on display. Somebody else can translate the children's questions to the sitting U.S. president. Such a pleasure to see you, my friend. Please come back. Anytime, Megan. I love being on the show. I love you. You're doing great. It's awesome to be here. Likewise. All right. See you soon. When we come back, Andrew Klavan is with me, and I will tell you what now we are learning. Bud Light is saying to the Daily Wire about how things went so wrong and how it plans to change things. And that breaking news I told you about one of those two Tennessee lawmakers, this guy who's been lionized by the left. We'll see. It wasn't about the three of these leaders. It was about who they were representing.

It's about whose voices they were channeling. Understand that. And is that not what a democracy allows? A democracy says you don't silence the people. You do not stifle the people. You don't turn off their microphones when they are speaking about the importance of life and liberty. Do you assault them in the head with a traffic cone? Do you throw liquid in the face of a statehouse speaker? Is that what you do? Because that's your hero, Madam Vice President. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show. That was Vice President Kamala Harris lionizing the so-called Tennessee Three last week, the rabble rousers who decided to disrupt the people's proceedings on the floor of the Tennessee Statehouse because they didn't get their way. They were heard. Their arguments were offered. They were rejected. They lost. Take the L. No. Instead, they smuggled on a bullhorn onto the state house floor and hijacked the proceedings and riled up

the protesters who were up in the balcony and decided to shout down every other lawmaker there who also had constituents who had interests in what to do in the wake of a school shooting. Interests like, how do we fortify the schools? Shut up, you who want to make it about yourselves. This is a pattern with these two guys. And let us talk so we can talk about how to protect children instead of your ridiculous gun reform, which will never get through thanks to the Second Amendment. It's just so absurd what the media does, what the left does. The vice president, the liberal media cannot get enough of these two expelled Tennessee lawmakers. Of course, they claim racism because the two black guys got expelled. The one white woman didn't. That's because of the white white, the one white woman.

She's now claiming racism, but she was the one who said, I didn't go as far as they did. I didn't bring a bullhorn. She convinced people. She turned around and said, you're all racists. The press is going as far to even analyze the apparent power of their clothing choices. Yes, you go guys, you go. However, new video just emerging of one of the so-called Tennessee Three, and that's representative Justin Jones. We brought you Justin Pearson yesterday. He's the one who was Barack Obama, you know, the goal. And I would really like to run for student Senate in 2016. And now it's like, and my mother, mother, God, okay, sure. Well, now, Justin Jones. This video is from June of 2023. We're going to show it to you.

Check out the YouTube page if you're listening. At the height of the post-George Floyd Black Lives Matter protests, in the video, Jones and other protesters are in front of the Tennessee Capitol. They stop cars. These are innocent people. And Jones can be seen tossing a traffic cone into a truck, attempting to hit the driver. Why? Why? Why did he do that? You know, it was happening in the summer of 2020. They were stopping people at random, BLM protesters, trying to make you say BLM, Black Lives Matter, or you couldn't finish your meal, or you couldn't continue your drive down the road. We don't know what was happening here. That's just context from the time. Sure, this posed absolutely no danger. Sure. But if that driver had a gun and unleashed it,

I mean, many people would have considered it had he been stopped by these guys in the street for no reason at all and assaulted with a traffic cone. This is the left's hero now. OK, well, it was weird how I didn't read about that and all the profiles being done about this guy. Jones was then indicted on two counts of reckless endangerment for the incident, but you won't be surprised to hear the charges were later dropped as they were against virtually all BLM protesters, half of whom are now getting payouts of their own for the allegedly overzealous response by the cops who tried to keep order. Joining me now, Andrew Klavan, screenwriter, bestselling author, and host of The Andrew Klavan Show. Andrew, great to have you back. So that's the hero. That's the new hero of the left, right?

Representative Jones, heck of a job. I'm so confused. I'm so confused. I thought that when you stormed into a Capitol building, it was the worst thing that could possibly happen since the Civil War. I thought it was a reason to put people in prison without trial, to hunt them down and make sure you had their cell phone numbers. Here, we got them. We actually

have them in our clutches and expelled them from their offices as they deserved. And now they're heroes. I don't understand. I mean, next, I assume that the press is now going to make the QAnon shaman with his horns is going to be their next hero, since he did virtually the same thing. You know, every story now almost is both the story and the way the press covers the story. And beyond that, also not just the way the press covers the story, the way the corporations react to the story. You know, this is one of the most terrible tales, actually, in a long time. This begins with a shooting in a Christian school where three nine-year-old children were killed. And the first thing the White House says is, you know, our hearts must go out to the trans community because the killer was identified

as transsexual. And so right away, right away, the lives of these three children and three adult Christian teachers or staff at this school were kind of eliminated. They were just kind of thrown out of the story to make this about protecting transgender people because the shooter, the killer was transgender. So immediately we get to see that the values here are skewed. Then, of course, like every shooting that can't be attributed to the right, if it's not a right-winger doing the shooting, then the issue is guns. If it's a right-winger doing the shooting, then the issue is conservatism and how evil it is and how it leads to violence.

But if it's a left-winger, transgender person, a gay person, a Muslim person, then the issue is always guns. And unfortunately, we on the right are never smart enough to remind people why we have gun rights in the first place. Because, you know, there is logic to the idea that if you banned all guns, if you gave the state a monopoly on violence, the violence among the people would become less. I think that's probably true. But we have guns here because we are a federalist country that believes in the freedom of the people. And those guns are there to ensure that that freedom remains in place. So we're never making the right argument. So these guys then violate every rule of Robert's Rules of Order to disrupt the making of laws to push an anti-gun

program, which, as you say, is against our Constitution. And now they're the heroes, for some reason, beyond me. And it's all about this corporate entity now that is both the deep state and the press and the corporations who own the press, basically trying to win power over the ordinary American human being, which is what this country was built for him and for her. It was built for us to be the sovereigns over these people. And yet they don't like it. They've never liked it. And they have been trying for a hundred years to get that power back. And now they have consolidated the academy, the media, the deep state, and the corporations and the business world in a united attack against the individual, the rights of individual Americans, which are in the end defended by guns. I'm sure if you or I had a history of attacking citizens who were minding their own business, stomping on police cars, which is another thing he was accused of,

assaulting a police officer, another thing he was accused of, I could go down the list, trespassing, assault, resisting arrest, disrupting meetings, disorderly conduct, criminal trespass, obstructive of a passageway, aggravated litter. I could keep going. I'm sure if that were our history and then we stormed the Capitol to protest our pro-life beliefs, let's say, okay, they'd be saying exactly the same things about us. Here's just a couple of the headlines from the left right now about this guy and his colleagues. The Tennessee Three were right. Screw decorum. It's time to rush the well. Screw decorum. Salon, again, Tennessee Three were right. Screw decorum. How the Tennessee Three turned the GOP's rebuke into a rallying cry, and on and on we go. They praise their history of breaking the status

quo, even with clothing. Andrew, that's from Vogue. Okay. I seem to recall James Carville, after Marjorie Taylor Greene spoke out at the State of the Union, white trash. He was saying she's white trash. Help me understand the rules. Well, it's civility, right? It's the old Bill Clinton thing. I was out of the country when this happened, so I got to see it from a distance. They call us male chauvinist bigs. They call us racist. They call us sexist. They call us everything. But the minute anybody like Rush Limbaugh, for instance, strikes back, suddenly we are, where's the civility? What's happened to civility in American life?

And so it really is, you know, it is a question of who is in the right. They believe that they are so in the right that all the rule breaking, all the cheating, all the lying is justified because their righteousness is so deep and so great. And it runs through every cell in their bodies, that the things that they are fighting for can be defended by any means necessary, as a term they in fact use. Anything we do is wrong. If we raise our voices, it's wrong. If we snap back, it's wrong. If we storm the Capitol, it's terribly, terribly wrong. And we on our side actually have a different way of looking at things, which is, yes, it's terribly, terribly wrong. And we on our side actually have a different way

of looking at things, which is, yes, it might be wrong to storm the Capitol. Even if your values are right, there are things that it is wrong to do. It's wrong to curse at people. It's wrong to take a traffic cone and smash it through the window of a car. If a right-winger did that, not only would the left gang up on him, but right-wingers would gang up on him. Conservatives would say, yes, that is not how we proceed here. So we have a very different way. It goes right down to the core of our philosophy, which is basically that people are not all that good. All people are hungry for power. They're envious. They're mean. They're dishonest. All of them. And they have to be controlled by systems

that are put in place to preserve their freedoms, but also to preserve the decorum and the way we go forward in our political lives. The left believes its cause is so righteous that all those forms can be set aside. Take a look at what happened to Clarence Thomas this week. This absolute baloney story about a friend of his who takes him on occasional vacations, which was completely within the realm of the ethics rules of the Supreme Court. Suddenly now, they're calling for Clarence Thomas to resign. It has nothing to do with anything. He did exactly 0% wrong. What he did was 0% wrong. And yet they're saying he should resign. And he's a Nazi because this guy has memorabilia from both the Nazis and the communists.

His friend has this memorabilia. They will fight in any way they can. They literally have turned themselves into thugs because of their conviction that they are righteous. You have to know. You have to know that you're not righteous. You never were. It's only our systems and our traditions and our decorum that actually preserve anything good that we have. Once you let that slip away, once you say you can take a traffic cone

and slam it into a car or step on top of a cop's car, which is another thing that he did because you're just so righteous that those actions are validated, you lose everything. You will lose your freedom, you will lose your power, and ultimately you will lose any kind of sense of morality that you have. And the left has seriously moved in that direction. What does it say, Andrew, that let's take a look at the character of the two guys that are now being lionized for hijacking this debate over what to do in the wake of a school shooting, an important matter. And I get that they have their deeply held beliefs about guns. Fine.

There's a forum and there's a way of discussing them. And there's a way of protesting in the streets. That's all very American. Go for it. What they did is something very different. But what does it say about the left that they've chosen to make heroes out of these two guys who, if you look at the history, so not only is this Justin jones does he have a long history with the criminal law um but he his history makes clear his activism is about promoting himself so there was a report about how um this is according to the local blog scoop nashville back from june 2021 they're the ones who posted this video originally back then this is justin jones i'll get to pearson jones in a minute.

So Justin's the one with the criminal history. Better known as Brother Jones locally, was one of the publicly visible, often by design, protesters at the state capitol. He received a lot of pushback from his own community after it was discovered he was only making appearances when he knew there would be media coverage and eventually had a falling out with one of the other most visible female members of the group. He's also, as I said, accused of throwing a cup of liquid in the face of the ex-house speaker down in Tennessee and other lawmakers while protesting the bust of a Confederate general inside the statehouse and so on. He was ultimately barred from contacting those lawmakers or visiting the legislative building until April of 2020 and so on. So that's this guy. He sees a camera and he gravitates toward it like a moth to the flame.

He sees a chance to make himself a hero for the BLM crowd by assaulting a cop, according to the allegations, assaulting a civilian just driving his car down the street. And then there's his friend, Pearson, Justin Pearson, whatever. There's like lots of Justins, lots of Justin Jones and the Justin Pearson. He's the one who was talking like a Barack Obama when he was running for the student Senate back in 2016. And here's just a little clip of how he looked and sounded at that point. Hey, everybody. I'm Justin J. Pearson, and I'm running for president of BSG. Dissenting voices, voices that may be more liberal or more conservative,

in order that we can reach a point of sort of the radical middle where conversation and dialogue happens and growth happens. Nice. Okay, let's do it, Justin Pearson. I'm with you. That sounds like a great idea. You seem like a man with a future ahead of him. Well, here is a bit of that future. Here he was yesterday. They tried to expel the people's choice and the people's vote. And they awaken a sleeping giant. Guilty of white supremacy. Guilty of patriarchy. Guilty of supporting the NRA over people. Guilty of attacking the poor. Guilty of not expanding healthcare. Guilty of not giving us educational resources. Guilty, guilty, guilty. I'm so glad.

Oh, I'm so glad. Yes, I'm glad. Can we just see video one? We have to see video one one more time. Let's just play video one more. Yes., I'm Justin J. Pearson and I'm running for president of BSG. It's unbelievable. Andrew, he's a faker. He's an actor. This is all make-believe and yet they're into

it. You go, guy. We're with you. Sure. Okay. Well, it helps to be an actor if you're making a movie. I mean, that's the thing, you know, with the press supporting you, with all of the press supporting you, it's all stagecraft. It's all theater and whatever works, works. You know, I have a hard time convincing conservatives of this, but all of this depends on ideas. It actually doesn't depend on the actions or characters of the people. The left has an idea.

The idea is that all of morality and all of reality grows out of power relationships. That's their idea. And therefore, if you belong to a group that can establish that has less power than other groups, then everything you do is therefore is then correct because you're bringing everything closer to equity, which is the only good. The only evil is power. The only good is equality. So if you're black, you can be good just by being black. If you're black, but you don't agree that power is the only morality, then you're no longer black. Then you no longer belong to that group. They really do work these theories out in large academic tomes, which I'm afraid to say I've read, and they are very carefully

worked out, and the logic is very carefully worked out. We have a very different basis for our moral judgments. Our moral judgments are based on what I call the great speculation, which is that you, your inner life is as important to you as mine is to me, and both are equally important to God. And that's how we build our morality. So there's no common ground. We're coming from different places. And we on the right keeps kind of slapping our forehead and saying, how can they believe this guy? They don't have to believe him. It doesn't matter. He's playing a part because all there are are parts and everything else is just power. It's just this invisible clash of power. So there's no way to argue with them anymore. We really have to learn how to win and

win arguments with the people and win with the electorate. And it doesn't help. It doesn't help when people keep saying, well, this election was stolen or it's all a cheat or it's all a, you know, it's all a fraud because we have to win. We just have to, because these guys are out of their minds and they're not the majority. They are not the majority. They are in the minority, but we don't know how to argue with them and we don't know how to fight with them. Out of their minds. And they're not the majority. They are not the majority. They are in the minority. But we don't know how to argue with them. And we don't know how to fight with them. And we really don't know how to represent ourselves at all.

The left-wing press is trying to excuse the dramatic change in Justin Pearson. As just like, what do you mean he changed his hairstyle? Just calm down. Fucking calm down. Change his hair. Like, it's been six and a half years. You know, he changed a little. And six, just for kicks, I said to the team, go back and pick any random video of me six and a half years ago.

Let's go look at me in 2016, which is when the early. Let's take a look. I don't even know what we're about to see. Let's take a look. Well, there is a fierce First Amendment debate now raging on two major college campuses. In a moment, we'll show you what's unfolding at Yale. My hair's longer. I did not develop a new accent. I did not stop talking like this and dropping all my letters. I did not get holified suddenly and start preaching to the choir out on the streets. Give me a break. This is not about growing his hair out. I did that too.

This is about taking on a whole new persona so you can sell yourself to a clientele that you know is in the market for this particular brand of rhetoric sold in the particular kind of package Pearson's finally figured out how to give. Well, what can you say, what can you say to people who believe that if I put on a wig and a dress, I actually become a woman. And then you say, well, this guy has utterly changed his personality. That's fine with them. I mean, why, why should they object? What would they object to? I don't know. And as you say, it all works. It's all showbiz and it, and show business works. If every single person is taking a picture of you and commenting, commentating on you is on your side. And that's the situation we have. Our press is a guerrilla press. It's what we're doing right now. I mean, when they put you on a major TV show, they did everything they could to get you off as quickly as possible. They would never have me. I

have a hard time just getting published at this point because of my points of view. They are doing everything they can to ensure that there are no voices contradicting them because they believe that if they have the only voice, then reality will be subject to them. That's not true, but they think it's true and they're willing to do a lot of damage. You know, Twitter, another thing, you know, look at the intelligence agencies shutting people down on Twitter and on Facebook. They really do believe that they can control reality. So this guy is wearing costumes.

What's the difference to them? That's all they ever do. All they do is perform. They say so. Their theories say so. They say you can perform womanhood, you can perform manhood, and it becomes that real thing. So this guy is performing, but as long as he if Andrew Klavan had that one, Justin Jones's criminal history, he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a state house in any state. However, different standard for this guy. Now, same thing with respect to the abortion debate. You protest outside of an

abortion clinic and you're on the pro-life side. You do one wrong thing, they'll throw you away and try to lock you up without the key. However, if you're on the other side, if you are pro-choice and you go vandalize a Catholic church, very different result. And that actually just happened. We're going to talk about it when we come back with Andrew Klavan, and then we will get into what we're now learning thanks to the Daily Wire about Miss. We've become too fratty over at Bud Light and what Bud Light is now reportedly saying about how that happened as its stock price dips and they lose billions of dollars. Stand by for that. Andrew, I mentioned the double standard. We were discussing it right before the break. Just one more because my team has been sending me the updates. So I read you the Salon headline.

The Tennessee Three were right. Screw decorum. It's time to rush the updates. So I read you the Salon headline. The Tennessee three were right. Screw decorum. It's time to rush the well. Here's what Salon said after the State of the Union when Marjorie Taylor Greene yelled out. On order from Trump, Republicans throw a hissy fit during Biden's State of the Union. Another one from Salon. The hecklers veto. Biden masterfully stood up to the GOP. Now what? You know, it really is funny that these guys who hate Donald Trump so much have never actually questioned why people would vote for Donald Trump. Why, after 50, 60 years of being told that they don't count, that they stink, their religion stinks, their country stinks, their marriage stinks, everything about them stinks. Why they would get go after this guy who shouts them down like Trump does. They stink. Their religion stinks. Their country stinks. Their marriage stinks. Everything about them stinks. Why they would get go after this guy who shouts them down like Trump does. This is why. This is why. If you haven't. It really is bad for the country.

I mean, if you look at like late night comedy shows, they are all on one side. If everybody is making jokes about one side and not the other, how do you expect them not to get angry? How do you expect them not to get enraged? If when right wingers storm a Capitol building, they're hunted down no matter where they are and put in prison without trial. But left wingers do the same thing and they are valorized and turned into heroes. How do you expect people to feel? How do you expect to avoid the kind of clashes that are going to grow out of that anger? I don't know. It is, I think, a central, central problem in the country is the unfairness of the treatment of people. So that leads me to what's going on now with this particular defendant. Now, let me introduce you to Maeve Nota. Maeve was arrested in the state of Washington after last summer, after Dobbs overturned Roe versus Wade, Maeve is a transgender man. And normally that means I never know how they're using it now, but normally if you say it's a trans man, it means it's a biological woman dressing as a man. But I think this video

shows a woman. So maybe it's a man dressing. Who the hell knows, Andrew Maeve's trans. Okay. Maeve was pissed off that Roe versus Wade was, uh, overturned by Dobbs and Maeve's trans. Okay. Maeve was pissed off that Roe versus Wade was overturned by Dobbs. And Maeve decided to work out that anger by going to St. Louise Catholic Church in Bellevue, Washington in June of 2022 and vandalizing the church. Maeve scrawled fuck Catholics on the church's walls, assaulted a church employee, defaced several religious statues, tossed rocks at and spray painted an employee of the church, smashed two of the church's glass doors,

painted women haters, kid groomers, we hate gay people, rotten hell, and F Catholics on the church's walls and uh then fought with police on top of it okay and oh and by the way scared the hell out of a little old lady praying so that's what mave did the fed swooped in and charged mave with a hate crime okay so far so good yes we see it that's hate crime against catholics bad mave well the, the news just hit, this is via the New York Post, that the Justice Department is recommending no jail time for Maeve, absolutely no jail time whatsoever, and will only recommend

three years probation. Okay? So that's what you get when you assault the church employee and threaten the police, tussle with the police, deface a Catholic church. Contrast that with what they did to pro-life activist Mark Hoke, who was arrested back in September 2022 after being indicted on federal charges that he allegedly intimidated someone at Planned Parenthood in Philadelphia. You may remember this case. They accused this guy, Mark, of pushing a 72-year-old man who was escorting two patients from the clinic in October 2021. Hoke claimed that the elderly man had been harassing Hoke's son and that he was really just standing up for his kid. The Justice Department saw Hoke as a very different kind of threat. They tried to put him in prison for 11 years. 11 years they went after this guy. They took him to trial and Hoke

was acquitted by a federal jury. So he got no jail time because he was found not guilty. Look at the difference in standards, right? This Hke faces 11 years in prison for having a tussle with a guy outside of a Planned Parenthood where he made clear to the authorities originally, I was defending my son. And by the way, they showed up like a SWAT team at his house when they arrested him. All of his kids were there. The wife talked about how they came in, guns drawn. Their family was scared. This other guy, Maeve, the trans person, actually assaults a

churchgoer, nevermind the cops and what they did to the church. You're fine. Probation, off you go. Thanks, honey. Maeve is lucky when she was assaulting people in a Catholic church, she didn't accidentally hit an FBI agent who was trying to infiltrate the church to make sure they weren't speaking Latin. The one thing I's, on Maeve's behalf is at least he or she or whatever the hell he is, knows where the problem is. That, that is, that is the thing, that is the enemy of the federal government at this point is religion. They are, they know, they know that if we lose our religion, we're going to lose the argument. And we don't necessarily know that, you know, George Washington told us this a long, long time ago when he gave his, he published

his famous farewell address. He said, you know, beware of the idea that you can maintain a moral structure without religion. And he didn't mean that religion was useful because it made people afraid of hell or anything like that. What he meant was the underlying ideas of religion, namely the faith in God and the faith of a moral structure that you cannot violate, is inherent in a free country. You cannot be a free country without that faith that, A,

morality exists, and B, that people are made in the image of God and deserve to be respected and deserve to be free. So this targeting of religion and the laxity of prosecution and a hate crime against religion is in keeping again with the left's philosophy. They are acting rationally in keeping with their philosophy. They're even acting morally in keeping with their philosophy. The fact that their philosophy is rotten to the core is not the point. The point is they are acting in keeping with their philosophy. And I worry about the right because I worry that the right does not understand that they cannot make their arguments. They cannot make their arguments without some kind of religious basis, some kind of spiritual basis.

And I think on the right, we're just we keep talking about the market. The market's going to save us. Go woke, go broke. Market ain't going to save us. The market will not save us because the market is underpinned by values. If you don't have the values that make a market necessary and useful, you can't have, the market's just going to go away. And so I think that, you know, I think that the left is acting again, very rationally in keeping with their philosophy. And part of their philosophy is that religion is a problem for them. And it is a problem for them. And if we don't

support it, if we don't defend it, if we don't go use every, every weapon in our arsenal, including the Constitution and maybe especially the Constitution, to protect religion in public life, in the public square, the absolute freedom to express religion, to worship without an FBI agent coming in and making sure you're not speaking Latin, we're going to lose this fight. We're going to lose this fight. So I really do think that the left has got its house in order in terms of its philosophical coherence, and we haven't. And I think that it's, I know it's a hard, it sounds like a kind of professorial argument to make, but it is a very practical political argument. We can't win if we don't know what we believe. I mean, that latest, I think it was Pew poll showed that only 39% of the American population now thinks religion is important, values it as one of their top values of religion. I mean, the numbers used to be way

higher than that up in the 60s. There was one point where it would have been in the 90s, and it's on a steady decline. That's an interesting point. Maeve chose the right target because that really is the enemy of what Maeve stands for and what the government is pushing on us. You mentioned the Catholic churches and the FBI. There was new information on that this week, which was just very dark. I mean, we brought the audience to the story because Chris Wray, the head of the FBI, testified before Congress and admitted this had happened, but immediately disavowed the behavior of this agent and said, this is not what the FBI is about. He said, I was aghast when I saw these

reports that the FBI was targeting Catholics. We took steps immediately to withdraw this plan and remove it from the FBI's systems. It does not reflect our standards. So that's good. That's good. But one does have to ask why this guy thought this would be a great next step for the FBI to begin with, this FBI agent. What happened was the story broke and then Congress subpoenaed the documents and the FBI did not turn them over. And then the Congress got a little bit more aggressive about enforcing its subpoena and its oversight. And the FBI did turn over the documents showing it had sought to develop sources inside Christian churches and Catholic dioceses as part of an effort to combat domestic terrorism. The House Judiciary Committee released these documents on Monday. They showed the FBI plan to use churches as new avenues, quoting here from a Fox News report, for tripwire and source development. They also aim to specifically target mainline Catholic parishes.

So not that it was any better when it was just the one saying the Latin mass, but just in case you think, oh, that's not me. It is you. Mainline Catholic parishes is what they wanted to target. They relied on at least one undercover agent to produce their analysis and that the FBI proposed that its agents engage in outreach to Catholic parishes to develop sources among the clergy and church leadership to inform on Americans practicing their faith. We only know about that because an FBI whistleblower produced the report and made it public. And that's sort of what what caught us onto it. Their their plan was to, quote, mitigate the threat of radical traditionalist Catholics. I think they mean you. That's you.

Well, you know, again, they're quite right, because Catholicism is the faith on which the West was built. There is no West without some basis in what the Catholics thought and believed and taught us. Even the idea of the individual is essentially a Catholic idea. The idea of the individual with rights of his own is essentially a Catholic idea. They know what they're doing. They're not wrong. And what I want to know about this FBI thing, it came out in Virginia, actually, the original paper, and now there's word that somebody was actually inside a Catholic church becoming an asset to the FBI. I want to know who was fired.

I mean, this is not some clerical error. This is not, oh, I put Catholic, but I meant to say terrorists. I mean, this is a guy somewhere in the FBI, someone who believed that spying on Americans worshiping Jesus Christ in a Catholic church was a good thing. Is this guy still working for the FBI? I'll bet anything he is because they know exactly what they're doing. You know, you look over in England. In England, a woman was arrested twice for silently praying outside an abortion clinic. I just want to emphasize that.

It was silently praying. The police officer came up to her and said, what are you doing? And she said, well, I'm praying. But he couldn't tell because she wasn't praying out loud and she was arrested. You know, we're't understand how important this is and how it underlies everything and underpins everything, we're going to lose it. You know, I just can't, I cannot get it around. I cannot convince conservatives because we're so into the idea of freedom and the marketplace. This has been true since, I would say, the 80s. We've just talked about the market, the market, the market, this Ayn Rand idea that it's all, you know, morality just grows out of individuality and it all goes out of the market. You know, we're so into that that we have lost track of the fact

that, no, these ideas grew up over thousands of years built on Catholic teaching and then Protestant teaching after that. And so we let that go. We let go of everything. And that is what's happening in England where the churches are empty. It will happen here if our church is empty out. And I don't think, you know, I think Christianity is being poorly taught. I think it's being, you know, I think people come out of church, they look grim and tight and they're angry at everybody. For me, Christianity is the source of insane amount of joy. And then once we start teaching that again, which is, I think, the basic idea of Christianity, I think maybe it'll become a little bit more popular.

But I really do, Megan, I don't know. I think that we do not know what we're talking about, and the left does. They understand what they believe in, and we don't. Just to pivot, there's a lot. I will say just one quick point. It does depend on the church you go to, right? Like I go home and I visit my mom where I grew up. And I got to tell you, the church service there is kind of depressing, kind of dour. It's dark and the music choices are kind of sad. And my mom's had a rough year. So I'm like, mom, this is not the mass for you. You know, like we need to find back at home. I love the fact that we're it's, it's bright. It's airy. It's a happy hour. You know, we see friends. We, we, we love Frank who sings, we love the father, father Richard, who keeps it

joyful. You leave uplifted and the kids like it too. I mean, even my kids, it's not like they're like, yes, how soon can we go to mass? But they get out of bed and they go willingly and they enjoy it. And we have a nice. So if you're having the sad feeling or like the mass is not good for you, reconsider, like try another church because you might just not be at the right place. But you mentioned the left is good at this. And one of the things that jumped out at me today as I was looking at the at the polls in the political arena, Andrew, was, yeah, the left is good at this. Because look at this, listen to this. So since they indicted Trump and his arraignment last week

by Alvin Bragg in Manhattan, his support with primary voters has gone through the roof. Through the roof. The latest Reuters Ipsos poll shows Trump at 58, DeSantis at 21. And that means Trump's up 10 from just a week earlier. He was already crushing, but he's crushing by even more now. Yahoo, YouGov, Trump's at 57, Ron DeSantis is at 31.

He did have just an eight point lead. And now that's up to, well, you do the math, but it's 25, almost 30 points. ABC Ipsos, however, adds this piece of it. Trump's unfavorability is climbing by the day from 55 to 61%. That's with the general electorate, Andrew. And all I could think was, irrespective of how you feel about Trump, whether you like him or you don't, this is right in line with the Democrats plan. Drive his numbers up with the primary voters. They love everything I just said. They think Trump's the most beatable.

They want to run against him. His numbers are going up with the GOP base while they're going down with the general electorate. And, you know, Bob's your uncle. Boom. Biden 2.0. It's, you know, it's human nature and math. We know that they want to run against Trump because they literally donate money to candidates that Trump picks,

the kind of Trumpian candidates. Democrats actually fund those candidates in the hopes that they will win the primary and lose the election. And that is exactly what's going to happen here. And the other part of it, the human nature part of it, is they make us angry. They make us angry by the unfairness that you were talking about before, the double standard. They make us angry by indicting Donald Trump on a nonsense charge. They make us angry in the way they talk about us as deplorable and all this stuff.

And think about your personal life. When you lose your temper, we all lose our temper sometime. Do any of us ever look back and say, boy, when I really got angry that time, I acted great. I really did the right thing. No, when you get angry, you do stupid stuff. And I always tell people anger is the devil's cocaine because it feels like righteousness, but it's not.

There is such a thing as righteous anger, but even righteous anger is not righteousness. It is just a natural reaction to evil. It is maybe natural to feel angry after this indictment in New York, for instance, which was a travesty and a travesty of justice. It's natural to feel angry, but it makes you stupid. The thing about Donald Trump is he cannot win the general election. He barely won the first general election and only because we have this great electoral college in place, but he didn't win the majority. He lost the next election. I know people tell themselves it's like a security blanket. They tell themselves it was all stolen away. Now he lost the election. He lost it to a doddering old man who hid in the basement. He lost the midterm election while he was president. He helped lose the midterm election after he was president. He lost Georgia because of his behavior so that we lost the majority in the Senate. He does not do well as a politician. People are saying the thing I like about Trump is he's not a politician. Yeah, I understand that. But politics is a business. It's a profession. And if you don't know how to do it, you lose. So I get why Trump is popular. There are moments when I love Donald Trump. When he goes after the press, he makes me laugh out loud. I mean, there's things that he does. And a lot of his ideas are far better than the left's ideas. He can't win. So it doesn't matter. He can win the primary. He probably will win the primaries as things are set up right now, but he cannot win

the general election because he has alienated the independents and the independents decide elections in this country. He cannot win that middle ground and he can't win it because of his behavior and his behavior has cost him everything he's had. He lost the repeal of Obamacare because of the way he treated John McCain. He's lost his friends because of the way he treated them, people he had on his staff. Nobody speaks well of him on his staff because of the way he treated John McCain. He's lost his friends because of the way I treated him. People he had on his staff, nobody speaks well of him on his staff because of the way he treated them. These things matter. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I understand why people like him. I like him too. I voted for him twice. I was the first person at the Daily Wire who said, I'm going to vote for this guy. He's all we got. You know, I would vote for him again if I had to.

I'm not a never Trumper. He can't win. And I think that we've got to get a little bit smarter. A lot of this is just, I mean, it's kind of the theme of what we've been talking about. Making a lot of it is about being smart and making sense. And the left is smart. It doesn't sound like the GOP. According to their underlying principles. Yeah. The GOP is, they're not that smart in terms of their political maneuvering. I will say, I do know a lot of Trump staffers who love Donald Trump and have lovely things to say about him. People like Rick Grinnell, who's an honest broker. But I could go on in that list. Obviously, it didn't work out with a lot.

A lot. People like Bill Barr, it comes to mind. Wait. Okay. So now I wanted to get to Dylan Mulvaney. All right. Because we only have a short time left and I've got to cover this with you. Dylan Mulvaney was on the cover, was on a Bud Light can, like a commemorative six pack that was mailed to Dylan. There was a brand partnership. Bud Light used Dylan to promote Bud Light and all hell broke loose. They've lost some $7 billion in marketing capitalization. Talk with Eric Bolling about that at the top of the show. Sales are plummeting according to what we read. And the core base is mad. They're mad at Bud Light. They don't, they don't appreciate this partnership. Now Daily Wire reached out to, they say two sources within Bud Light who are in a position to know. And they say to the Daily Wire,

no one at a senior level was aware of this partnership. No one at a senior level. Now, the person who we thought approved it is the VP of marketing, Alyssa Heinerscheid. And if Alyssa did not specifically approve this ad, shame on her. It's still her problem. It's her department. She allowed it. And she was on the air three days before the campaign hit talking about how we've gotten too fratty and we need to be more inclusive. And look at this Super Bowl ad I did, which is about a male actor, but it was told through his wife's eyes. She was the heart and soul. This is obviously an identity politics, Harvard grad, who's all about, you know, color, gender, sexual orientation, all this stuff. So whatever, she's not off the hook, but I'm sure it was her anyway. We'll find

out. In any event, they're describing it as a low-level marketing staffer who made the call, again, wanting to be more inclusive. And now they're saying that Bud Light is halting all marketing efforts to re-evaluate the brand's ad strategies, because your first effort wound up in the toilet, and that they will in the future evaluate all partnerships more robustly. Here's my question for you. Some people are pushing back on people like you, like people like me, and maybe you, uh, who are ticked off about this Dylan Mulvaney partnership with Bud

Light. I'm ticked off about Bud Light, but I'm even more ticked off about oil of Olay and Nike on the sports bras, you know, spaces that are absolutely women's spaces. Um, but all of it bothers me to be honest. And you have people, um, like Joe Rogan, Howard Stern came out and said like, what's the big deal? Why are, why are people mad about this about, so do you want to take a shot at that? Oh, well, yeah. I mean, this also goes very deep into philosophy, but let's not start there. Let's start at the top. If you watch the Dylan Mulvaney ad for Bud Light, he comes on and he says, I don't know anything about sports and I don't know what's going on. It must be some kind of game. I don't know. Now, my wife is one of the

most feminine people I know. She doesn't know anything about sports. She doesn't talk anything like that because she's a grown up lady who just happens to have ladies' interests. In the same way, I don't talk like Moose McCoy because I happen to have male interests. That's not the way women behave. He is not being a woman. He is doing a woman. Everything about what he is doing is a show and a performance. It's a conscious performance. He is not a woman. He is pretending to be a woman consciously and openly. So that means that it is, if I did this, it's as if I smeared my face with blackface, did an Amos and Andy voice, not a real, you know, anything that sounded like a real black adult male, but did an Amos and Andy, you know, cliched, old-fashioned racist Black voice,

and tried to sell some product, some kind of hair thing or whatever that was for Black people. I mean, Joe Rogan would not be saying, so what? They're just trying to expand their base. They're just trying to reach out to different people. He would understand that this is a deeply disrespectful and in that case, racist idea. This is worse. And it's worse because of this. White men and black men are not that different. They're basically the same. And the color of their skin is different. Maybe some of the culture is different. But basically, as human beings, they're basically the same. Men and women are different. Women and men have different interests. They have different experiences of life. And I'd say they have different magisterium.

They have different things that they are good at and in control of and want to do. To say that a man is a woman is to take away a person's identity from the ground up. It is to strip her of who she is and what she goes through. It is so disrespectful and so hateful that it doesn't matter. I don't think Bud Light is hateful. I think the philosophy that they are joining in with is hateful that it doesn't matter. I don't think Bud Light is hateful. I think the philosophy that they are joining in with is hateful and it's stupid. And again, you know, I don't know if we have time to talk about it, but this philosophy goes very deep. It is an anti-human philosophy. It is the philosophy that everything about us is a performance. Our gender is a performance. Even what our bodies desire is a performance. So you have people saying that if you are a man and

you prefer vaginas to penises, that already is bigotry. That's anti-trans bigotry. But that of course is inherent in our nature. The idea that you can just strip somebody of his nature by pretending to be him is so basically dehumanizing and hateful that I think it deserves everything it gets. And I hope Anheuser-Busch is forced out of business. It's not enough for me that their stock goes down. I don't care about their stock. I want them to be unable to sell a beer in any state in this country, not because of the law, but because people simply will not buy it for the hateful thing they did. And as you say, the idea that Dylan Mulvaney should be representing female products is twice as wicked, twice as hateful, but unfortunately, because women are women and they don't stand up

like men do. Men get angry when you do this stuff and they strike back and women should strike back too. It's so true. You raised a lot of good points. I've been thinking about it. If Bud Light had used Caitlyn Jenner, would I be having the same reaction? And I admit I would not be. Caitlyn Jenner is a trans woman. Caitlyn Jenner doesn't run around trying to say, trans women are women, trans women are women. Caitlyn Jenner understands there are differences and that trans women should not be competing against women in women's sports and so on. I don't think Caitlyn Jenner understands there are differences and that trans women should not be competing against women in women's sports and so on. I don't think Caitlyn Jenner would think it's appropriate for Caitlyn to be modeling oil of Olay or of sports bra company. I feel like Caitlyn Jenner is a genuinely dysphoric person who had this from a very, very young age as the genuinely dysphoric did and finally found the

courage to transition late in life and hasn't been obnoxious, you know, trying to like take brand sponsorships and trying to parody just the most ridiculous idea of women since Caitlyn transitioned. Dylan Mulvaney is a different story. Dylan Mulvaney infantilizes us. Dylan parodies us. Dylan demeans us. Dylan dresses like a little girl and prances around fake hotel rooms, throwing her legs up in the air as though this is what a woman is. Like, give me a break. You know, you can, I'm no Hillary Clinton fan, but Hillary Clinton is a lawyer and a Senator and a presidential candidate. And it's not bad to have people looking at that and understanding that's what a woman is. Nikki Haley is another one that comes to mind. You know, you look at these strong athletes who go out there and leave

nothing on the field and they emerge sweaty and strong and unapologetic for having given their that's a woman okay that this dylan character is humiliating womankind and people who like the woman at bud light who allowed this are buying into it they're promoting it so it needs to stop so i don't like i'm kind of offended that they don't get it like let me try to explain to explain. I realize that they're guys, but walk a mile in our shoes because we've tried really hard to find better examples to little girls. This is one of the reasons why I can't stand the fucking Kardashians. Sorry, but they're not good for little girls either. And we've been speaking out about them. Dylan Mulvaney's in the same camp.

That's not a woman. That's not what womanhood is. And it should stop being promoted as though it is. See, this is why, this is exactly why I focus on ideas. This has nothing to do with transgender persons, even Dylan Mulvaney. He can live any way he wants. And you know, that is absolutely fine. But to say that a person changes his clothes and thereby changes his sex, or if you want to make this made up word now gender, which is somehow detached from sex, that idea is offensive. It's offensive to the reality of human existence. And that means it's offensive to real persons.

And the thing is, for me to say that, you know, somebody dressing up is weird. It is weird. It's strange. It is strange. But I just don't care. And I can respect somebody who's in the kind of pain that it would take to make you actually have an operation on your body to try and change, make believe you've changed your gender. You've got to be in a lot of pain before you do that. But still, it's the overall

idea that you represent. And if you do that with respect, if you say, well, look, I'm not a woman, but I had to do this to feel comfortable with myself. It's none of my business. It really isn't. But if you say, no, now I have become a woman and I can usurp all the functions and the representations of women, women who have been born and gone through, you know, getting their periods and maybe had babies and done all the things that women do and have had the experiences with men that women have. And I don't want to just talk about it as victimhood and the beauty of womanhood, the absolute centrality of the feminine experience in human life, that you are just going to erase that because you're unhappy with the way you were born. No, that is not the thing. The idea is wrong. And to put Dylan Mulvaney or any, to me, any trans person as a representative of women is making a different statement than I'm unhappy and I have to live

this way. Those are two different statements. What you do personally and what happens at scale are two different things. And again, we're not very good at talking about this because what the left always does is they bring out an individual example of something and they say, here is an example. You know, if I come on and say, well, men are stronger than women, they bring on some gigantic woman who's stronger than an old guy like me, you know, and that's supposed to prove something. But my generality still remains the same. There are only two kinds of people.

There are men and women, and there's no such thing as a human being. There's only a man or a woman. And that's the thing. They say, oh, some people are born intersex. Yes, a vanishing number of people are born intersex. But if a person is born with one leg, man is still a two-legged creature. And if someone is born intersex, man is still a two-legged creature. And if someone is born intersex, man is still a, they buy their two sexes in manhood, in human humanity. They have completely befuddled us

because they own the press. They have completely befuddled us with their ideas. And we don't strike back with ideas. And that's why, that's why it winds up sounding like, you know, I hate Dylan Mulvaney. I don't give a rats about Dylan Mulvaney. The way he lives doesn't mean a thing to me. But when he goes forward and he says, oh, I'm a girl now, and I'm going to sell girls products, or I'm a girl and I'm going to portray what women are like as I sell Bud Light, we should never buy anything by Anheuser-Busch. As far as I'm concerned, I'd shoot their horses at this point just to protest the way they behave and the way they've treated women. All right, I wouldn't shoot their horses, but you know what I'm saying. Don't touch the horses. But yeah, shoot the beer cans and not treated women. All right, I wouldn't shoot their horses, but you know what I'm saying. Don't touch the horses.

But yeah, shoot the beer cans and not buy it. I mean, I'm not a beer drinker, but if I had any Bud Light in this house, it would absolutely have been dumped by now. Nike, I've been over for a long time. And Oil of Olay, screw them too. You couldn't find an actual woman who's aging who might actually like the gig.

Like, why wouldn't you go to like a Paulina Portkova, who's this gorgeous supermodel who's aging naturally. She's not getting her face filled with poison every week. She's going gray. She'd be a great person. How about her? An actual woman who's aging as opposed to a 28 year old man for a woman's aging product. It's just, okay. All right. Now we're getting ourselves back wound up. Andrew Klavan, I feel like it was too long. I feel like we need to make the window shorter before you come back because I always learned when I talked to you. Thank you for being here. I always love talking to you, Megan. Thanks a lot. All right. See you again soon, I hope. When we come back, a story about a brave doctor speaking out about these ridiculous,

implicit bias sessions and other diversity pushes that are making medicine much more problematic. Joining me now, a doctor who is speaking out about the new race essentialism push in medicine. Dr. Marilyn Singleton is a black physician who has so much to say about the obsessive focus on so-called DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion that we're seeing more and more in our culture. Marilyn, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here. Well, thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here. Oh, well, thank you. So it's one thing to see this push in like, I don't know, education, that's problematic enough. But it's quite another to see DEI take over medicine. And I know this is happening just from my own doctor friends who have complained

about the changing of standards when it comes to who gets selected for residencies or elevated to chief resident, right down to how they interact with patients and how I mentioned this yesterday, you're not supposed to offend a patient by asking what gender they are. What's some relevant information? But you've been living it firsthand as, and I should tell the audience a bit about your background, graduated from Stanford, went on to UCSF Medical School, two years of surgery at UCSF,

then anesthesia residency at Harvard's Beth Israel, went on to Cedars-Sinai Medical. You were a professor at Johns Hopkins. Then while still working in medicine, you went to Berkeley Law School, focusing on con law and administrative law. So that's also impressive. But you've been noticing in California, where you've been licensed since 1974, this is creeping in and in a really weird, pervasive, problematic way. Tell us. Okay. This whole thing, there is no question that minorities have been wronged in the past. Certainly slavery is heinous, dreadful, awful. That's done. We know it. But we're now talking about having people go through

what I equate to struggle sessions like the malice in China did, where in front of your friends and co-workers, you have to confess that you're a racist. And even though you haven't done anything, that it's implicit in just being a white person or a non-underrepresented minority, because mind you, Asians are minorities, but they're not underrepresented minorities. So they even had to come up with a new term for Blacks, Hispanics, and Indigenous people. Those are the BIPOCs. And it's absurd. When I'm saying it, I feel like I sound stupid, even saying these words. Who is a BIPOC? And this is what they're calling little children and grownups who are of other races that are minoritized. So we're not

even minorities anymore. We're minoritized, meaning we're powerless. Well, all of this is such bunk and the wrong thing to be teaching young people as well as adults. And certainly all this has to start when we're young. That's another story. But going to medicine, it is damaging to the students who really wonder, have I been accepted to medical school because I'm bright, because I'm smart, because they like what I have to offer? Or am I being accepted because they need another colored person who they can add to their statistics? And sadly, that's how a lot of these young folks think. And when affirmative action first came out, this is one of the first things a lot of folks wondered. Am I smart? How do people

really look at me? Are they going to think that I'm the dumb doctor? Will I get as many patients as the white doctor? And on and on. So that's one aspect. There's a very damaging psychological aspect. There's a damaging aspect to the collegiality among doctors of color and white doctors. People have been consulting back and forth for years with nary a thought of what race the doctor was. It's like, did you have the expertise that I don't have? And I'm going to ask you a question and vice versa. Patients have been requesting doctors of all races and colors because they heard that person was good. So they go to that doctor. And now suddenly they're talking about black patients need to have a black doctor.

Could you imagine if the tables were turned and everybody said white patients needed to have a white doctor? It's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. If not to mention, you could never do it. There wouldn't be enough black doctors town, but the black doctors I knew wanted to work at nice hospitals. It's just not assumed because you're black that you want to go work in an underprivileged hospital. Yes, some do, but there's plenty of white doctors that work there too. So some of the concepts that all this is built on are just plain wrong and it's divisive. It's not good for patients. Patients aren't thinking along those lines. I'm sure every now and then there's going to be some butthead who

is a butthead no matter what, who says something that has a racist undertone or whatever. That's always going to happen. I don't care whether you're in medicine or anything else. And there's always going to be those people. There's always going to be sexist people and drunks who come in and say they don't want some C word taking care of them and all that, and you say, eh, you know, screw you. I'm a good doctor. This is who you get, and somehow they shut up right quick. So it angers me because I grew up when there wasn't fair housing in California.

And even though my father had a good occupation and we could afford it, we couldn't live where we wanted to live. And so I see how things had improved, improved, improved. And then suddenly it was like falling off a cliff when they started all this focus on race. And it took Black people away from moving ahead on our own power. We didn't need the caring white liberal to get us ahead. We had our own power. And this is becoming a problem because it's sapping Black doctors of their ego and of their sense of pride in themselves. And how can somebody who is a successful cardiac surgeon suddenly be an oppressed victim? Well, they aren't. And it's all a narrative designed to move our society in a different direction. I'm thinking like, does she see me as the oppressor? Does she think I'm a racist? Because California is telling her in these continuing legal education courses every year that I've got some implicit bias that's in there. I'm out to get her.

I just think it creates this underlying dynamic of distrust. Well, and it does and it shouldn't. The thing is that the only thing that makes me hopeful about the whole thing is that most people are kind of normal and they know this is bullshit. They've had friends for years and interacted with folks for years and know who's good and who has the personality and who's the gynecologist to the stars, happens to be a black guy. And they didn't pick him because he was black. They picked him because he had a great personality and was a good surgeon, all this sort of stuff. This is how real people are. And it's a veneer. It's something, and your last guest was talking about this transgender stuff being a performance. And that's what to be the younger folk who don't know any better. The older guys, I'd say anybody late 40s plus, they know the score. They know that a good doctor

can come in any skin color, and they're not going to judge people by their color. They haven't before. Do you see, you know, at the college level, certainly they're throwing out the SAT, they're throwing out standardized testing because they want to make sure that they can make sure they have enough BIPOC in the incoming class if the Supreme Court outlaws the use of race at all. And some say, okay, fine. So we're going to have a very diverse looking college class, no matter what. When you make race the number one thing and you don't look at scores in medicine, I mean, that is scary to a lot of people. Like I, I for one, want my pilots and my doctors chosen 100% on merit, you know, like that we're talking about

human lives. So what do you make of that? They're already talking about getting rid of the MCATs, which is like the SATs for medicine, and going pass fail. One can argue, and it is argued, that there's other factors that make a good doctor other than being really good at science or knowing all your physics equations and all that. And I grant you that. didn't major in science and I turned out to be a good doctor and got into good residencies and finished them. I think what's disturbing is you don't want patients to think you're not a good doctor because of the color of your skin. I had a older friend, an ENT doctor, whose father had to go in for prostate surgery. Now, mind you, his father's daughter, my friend's sister, had her appendix out. And the surgeon who operated on her was Black.

And the father had picked out this surgeon. And when he went in for his prostate surgery, the anesthesiologist was black. And the first thing he asked him was, how old are you? Did you go to school before affirmative action? This is what you don't want. And he was kind of old and getting senile,

but it was like the truth was coming out that people thinking that if you're post affirmative action, that you're not as good as the other guy. You may well be, we don't know, but you don't want patients to think that. And you don't want to have people who aren't qualified. Now, studies have come out and they said more minority residents aren't completing the residency. And it's likely because they were chosen for the residency because of their color and not because of their skills. They weren't kicked out because the people who are the head of the residency are racist. If they didn't come up to a certain standard, then they're not going to finish the residency.

And what you mentioned, the idea of changing the standards, that is where we have to draw the line. Merit is still merit. And frankly, I think in more professions than just pilots and doctors, you want people to be good at it. I want my fireman just chosen on strength and courage and all the other things too. Can I ask you before we go? So I know that this is something on your radar as well, but I've been asked, so what do you think is the answer? What do you endlessly highlighting the terrible plight of African Americans in America, why don't we start highlighting the amazing accomplishments of really strong, smart black people and holding them up instead of putting them down so that these little kids just say, oh my God, like all my people had this terrible history. What does that mean for me? As opposed to look at these amazing people. And I know this is near and dear to your own heart.

Well, absolutely. I think one of the first op-eds I ever wrote was about the first Black doctor who was a slave in the 1700s. And his master made him a nurse and taught him how to be a doctor. And then he ended up having a wonderful practice with patients of all colors. So when kids hear this, now that we're talking all the way back in 1900, he said there's a certain class of colored people who want to keep grievances in the forefront or else they'll lose their job. This is 1900. I'd say 120 years later, we've got those same people who want to keep the grievances up in the forefront rather than focus on progress and strength. How do you think it's going to go?

Do you see any reason to hope people are starting to see the light on this craziness? I think they are. You know that silly expression, jumping the shark. I think they've gone too far. And I hope I'm not just being a Pollyanna about it because all these years I've seen things improve so much. I hate to see them devolve. And when you talk to people offline, they know it's hokum. But people have to feel like they've got to say, oh, yes, you know, we're systemically racist and do this and do that. They're just saying it's all for show in their hearts.

They know that people are people and jerks will be jerks and good guys will be good guys. You speaking out so forcefully will help them. You know, I mean, part of it is just someone seeing the example and realizing, oh, you know, there is another way of thinking about this. And I am not the only one thinking that way. Marilyn, thank you so much. Please come back. I want to I want to have you back on medicine, on law, on all of this BS. It's been a pleasure to meet you. It's great to meet you. Thanks. And I'd be happy to come back. All right. It's done. It's happening. All the best to you. And thanks to all of you for watching

and listening today. Tomorrow, I want to tell you that we have the activist Posey Parker on for the very first time. A lot of you have been asking for us to get her. She's speaking out in defense of women and we got her. That's tomorrow. You're not going to want to get her. She's speaking out in defense of women and we got her. That's tomorrow. You're not going to want to miss this. We will talk to you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.