The Megyn Kelly Show - Biden's Mental Fitness, Targeting Political Enemies, and "Trans Dopers," with Ted Cruz and Michael Shermer | Ep. 418

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

Megyn Kelly begins the show today revealing her sister died over the weekend, and the need to focus on what matters in our lives. Then Michael Shermer, author of "Conspiracy," joins to discuss why people believe conspiracy theories, being a little "rationally paranoid," what happens when a conspiracy theory turns out to be true, how Alex Jones grew an audience, the growing issue of "trans dopers" competing in women's sports and balancing competing rights, the afterlife, and more. Then Sen. Ted Cruz, author of "Justice Corrupted," joins to discuss the racism of the left, Critical Race Theory in America, discrimination against Asians, FBI and DOJ targeting political enemies, President Biden on "gender-affirming healthcare," predictions for the midterms, Biden's concerning mental fitness, the "reverse Robin Hood" of "student loan forgiveness," how he learned to work with President Trump, getting protested on The View and yelled at at Yankees Stadium, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I'm going to start with this. I wasn't planning on doing this. I just feel like I gotta tell you that something really sad happened in my family over the weekend. My sister died. She was 58. Her name was Suzanne Crosley, and she died suddenly on Friday of a heart attack. She hasn't been in very good health over the past couple of years. It's like sort of one problem after another. So it was sudden and it was unexpected. And I went up,

got news of it after the show and went right up and was there with my mom and my brother Paul and my nephew Brian, one of her three kids, when she passed. So it was really hard. It was extremely emotional. My poor mom, as all moms and dads out there know, this is not the order in which this is supposed to happen. So in any event, we were all together over the weekend. I'm going back up there after the show today. And she will have her funeral tomorrow. Thankfully, we already had tomorrow's show on tape. So I don't have to worry about that. And I said to myself, do I come back? Do I do Monday's show? Do I not do Monday's show? And I really, like for me, it's do my job and talk about stuff that matters. It's not like what we talk about on the show doesn't matter, not entirely every day, but

most days. And I don't know, spend some time with my family who I've been away from for the past couple of days, my, you know, Doug and the three kids. And I'll have more to say about my sister and her life later this week when I've had a chance to process it more. You know what I mean? I saw that Ainsley Earhart's mom died over the weekend too. It's just a reminder to hug the people you love, right? How short and tenuous life is and how important it is to stay close to the people you love. You know, we can't all be perfect on that front, but

we can make a little effort day by day just to, you know, shoot a text or return a call. I'm never very good at that. So it's a big reminder to me. And just how fleeting things can be, right? And how we get ourselves so upset over shit that doesn't matter. This is one that does. And then you, of course, find out who your friends are and who the jerks are in a situation like this too. And I'm happy to say so many more friends than jerks. My mom

has a caregiver. She's got a couple of them. It's like a service that goes in and they make sure she's okay. And she lived with my sister. And one of the women went to the hospital immediately. It's my mom at the hospital alone at first. And she went with my mom and she sat there and I was on my way up. And she said, well, my husband is in a different hospital right now getting cancer treatment, but he's getting out today. So I'm just going to pop over there. I'm going to pick him up and then he's going to drive me back to this hospital so I can sit with your mom until you get there. I mean, what a good person, right? That's humanity. That's the true essence of humanity. Not all the terrible people we talk about all the time on the show and in the news and who you encounter when you have road rage or they have it you know like that's that's what it is to be truly

like a human being and to see another person's humanity to step in a self-sacrifice to help another who you don't know that well um i am thinking about all those people who help my mom and help my sister and maybe you have them in your life and maybe they need a shout out today too. So between now and the next time I talk to you live, if you can spare a prayer for my mom and my sister's kids and my sister's one grandchild, I would sure appreciate it. Because they're hurting today. All right, let's do the news, okay? I'm a good compartmentalizer, and I know I can do the news and that the news will be good for me, and I hope

it's good for the country, too. Let's talk about the midterms because we are two weeks out now. Today, in just a bit, we're going to be joined by Senator Ted Cruz about the Republican effort to regain control of the House and of the Senate. I mean, that a couple of weeks ago didn't really seem like it was all that realistic. I mean, all the pollsters were saying there's really no way that Republicans are going to regain control of the Senate. Wow, what a difference a couple of weeks make. He's also going to discuss the ways in which some of the left have weaponized our legal system. He's got a whole book about it. And he's, you know, Ted Cruz got his start as a lawyer. He was the Solicitor General in the state of system. He's got a whole book about it. And he's, you know, Ted Cruz got

his start as a lawyer. He was the solicitor general in the state of Texas. He's argued in front of the Supreme Court more than a dozen times. He's written, I think, 80 plus legal briefs for the Supreme Court. So this guy, he clerked for Rehnquist, on and on it goes. So we'll talk to him. And that'll be an interesting interview. First, though, we're going to talk about a topic that's probably impacted every single one of us. Do you have right now a friend or a neighbor or a loved one or an acquaintance who truly believes in what you know is a conspiracy theory? Maybe you're one of them. Maybe you've got one you toyed with. I'm not sure. In a world where some things we are told are conspiracy theories turn out to be true, like that's happened too, it's harder than ever to spot a false one, to really know what's real and what's not. Well, a new book takes a close look at why

conspiracy theories gain traction and how, if at all, you can extract yourself or someone you love out of one if you feel like that's necessary. The book is called Conspiracy, Why the Rational Believe the Irrational, and it's out this week. Its author is Michael Shermer. He's been on the show before, and he is the founding publisher of Skeptic Magazine. Michael Shermer, welcome back to the show. Nice to see you again, Megan. I'm really sorry to hear about your loss. It's tough. There's no good way to go through it other than just to go through it. You mentioned Skeptic Magazine. This is what it looks like. That woman right there was my partner who I founded the magazine with 30 years ago, and she just died last year. We put her on the

back cover. Pat Lindsey spent every day with somebody for 30 years and then they're gone. And it's still, it's a year now. And I still think, well, I got to call Pat. And then it's like, oh, I can't call her. It's just a year. Now it's over a year. It's like still. So I don't know. You just keep them in your thoughts and your memories and pay tribute to them as best you can.'re in their late 20s early 30s now but i was saying and i really believe this that you you do you do have a way of keeping them alive in a meaningful way not in the same way but like i i can hear my sister's voice you know i can i could you know my mom was rambling on about something over the weekend she was gonna and and i'm like mom you're kind of rambling. My sister would have been like, ma, shut up. Going on too long. She was always the blunt one. And we laughed about her over the weekend and we shared in these great memories. And it's almost

like they're gone, but not all of them is gone. If you love somebody and if you know them so well, like I'm sure you knew Pat so well of 30 years together, you can kind of still tap into their advice and their thoughts. Yeah. Oh yeah. I've lost all my parents and I still consult with my mom in my mind about like, what should I do about this personal problem? What would my mom say? Oh, you know, so they're still alive really in your, in your mind, in your memories, in your, in your life. Uh, uh, particularly people you spent a lot of time with that have had an influence you know it's like uh it's like the jimmy stewart film it's a wonderful life you know they leaves an awful hole but think of all the differences in people's lives that person made that would not have happened had they not been there we were um writing the obituary over the weekend

and the family was and and um we were saying how she loved games like she she loved all sorts of fun board games you know and um we were saying right now one of the things was she was a fierce gin rummy player and and she was eagle-eyed for anybody who tried to palm the double five in dominoes you know those people. You got to be ever alert. Yeah, and celebrate the life. Of course, mourning is natural and feeling bad is totally normal. But don't forget to celebrate and feel good about that person because a century from now, we'll all be gone. So all we can do is just try to make a difference every day and just remember, today could be it. Tomorrow could be it. Tomorrow could be it. So I

better enjoy every moment, every hour, every relationship, every time you have a contact with somebody you love or just friends and workmates, just remember, that could be your last day with them. Yeah. It does have a way of not just softening you for a bit. You're just a little bit more generous towards your fellow humans and you're more loving. I've definitely been like, I need to make a better effort. Maybe it messages and you think, oh, my God, you know, you wind up feeling I'm lucky. I'm lucky, not not how unlucky I am. And that's, you know, if there's a silver lining, I guess that's that's well. And as you said, it puts things into perspective. So you log on Twitter and you see some negative comments.

You think, really, does this matter? No, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, that's right. Anyway, my book about um the afterlife the mainly the scientific attempt to achieve immortality you know through mind uploading or cryonically frozen or the transhumanists and that sort of thing although i do deal with religious uh notions of the afterlife of which there are many as you know and uh the fact is no one knows for sure what happens after we die it's hard to imagine not being alive, because to imagine something, you have to be, you know, alive and sentient. And so, you know, just picturing what happens after this life, it's really almost impossible not to think of something continuing. yet we just don't have really good scientific evidence

that that uh our consciousness continues on but you know no one knows for sure you know could go into some quantum uh ether field or something like that like some of the transhumanists think or but but really it's um you know the attempts to continue on um like by being chronically frozen or uploading your mind into the cloud through the connectome, the copy of all your- I didn't know anything about that. I've heard about the cryo. What's that second thing? Oh, the connectome, which is the equivalent of your genome, a copy of all your synaptic

connections, which would record all your memories. And then you scan it and you upload it into a cloud. No one can do this. We're not even remotely close to being able to do this. These are the ideas of tech billionaires. If I can't live forever in this body, I'll upload my mind into the cloud and then maybe download it into a future body that's a clone or whatever, a robot. Yeah, it's all sci-fi.

It's fun. It's interesting. But there's no evidence that any of this could happen. But the cryo-freezing, that can happen. Like you can, right? People have frozen their brains. I mean, Walt Disney and others. Oh, yes, it's been done.

But no one's ever been brought back. No, of course. No animal has been frozen and brought back and made alive again. That has not happened. And it doesn't look like to me it's going to happen anytime soon. So again, don't bank on that. Appreciate it every day. years, we'll bring you back, you know, or there's a good shot. Somebody will bring you back. Can you imagine how scary that would be? Can you imagine if we went back a thousand years ago and took one of those folks and open their eyes and woke them up? They'd be terrified. They'd probably wind up taking their own lives. It would be so terrifying. Everybody you loved is gone. Nothing you knew is still present. The world is so big and scary. I mean, I just feel like, I don't know, even the most evolved brain would be terrified. I don't think that'd be a pleasant experience. But Megan, you could be a history professor a thousand years from now, and when they ask you about the Trump era, you go, hey, I was there. Here's what happened. Maybe they'd throw me in a loony bin if they didn't know my history. Like, no, I swear I really was. Well, that's fascinating. I don't I will not be freezing myself. You heard it here first that it kind of you know, it's not like you're kind of an expert in how the mind can trick itself right into thinking they put some helmet on and all their brain is going to download like we, you know, on some sort of chip. And that's

kind of what your book is about and kind of what Skeptic Magazine is devoted to and how we fool ourselves. We're better at fooling ourselves than anybody else. And the conspiracy, so conspiracy theories, it's so apt right now. They're everywhere. They're everywhere. And I will tell you, even as a news person, you have to work so hard to separate fact from fiction because there are people actively trying to mislead us. Right. So it's like, OK, some people do lie. You can't put blind faith in anyone. It's good to question. But that doesn't mean Hillary Clinton is running a pedophile ring out of a pizza joint in Washington, D.C. So start there, like the broad brush approach to separating fact from fiction and not getting drawn in to conspiracy theories. Right. So my theory is a kind of a three-part or three-legged stool theory of proxy conspiracism, tribal conspiracism, and constructive conspiracism. So the first proxy conspiracism, let's just take that example of the Pizzagate, that there's a secret satanic

pedophile cult being run out of a pizzeria by Hillary Clinton and Beyonce and Tom Hanks and whoever else in the Democratic Party. Now, does anyone really believe that? Well, one guy did, Edgar Welch. He went there with an AR-15 style rifle to shoot up the place and drove three and a half hours and made a video for his daughters and uploaded it. And so you can see what his motive was. He thought there was a crime going on. And that is something you would do, I suppose, if you really believed this was true and no one was doing anything about it. I mean, that's what he said. I'm going in and so forth. But most people, I think when they say, yeah, there could be something

to it, they tick the box on a survey about Pizzagate and they tell posters, yeah, there might be something to it. They probably don't really believe it in the same way that you and I believe in other things, that there's going to be money in the bank and gas in my tank and the germ theory of disease or whatever. Just kind of basic things of life that we believe. I don't think people, when they say they believe Pizzagate conspiracy theories like that, really mean it that way. It's more of a proxy for something else. The kind of thing those Democrats would do.

Those libtards are so confused and crazy. And they and then maybe they conflate something like, yeah, wasn't Clinton, Bill, on that airplane with Jeffrey Epstein to that island and there was pedophilia going on there? Yeah, there's something about that. So in their minds, they kind of confabulate all these story into a conspiracy theory such that if you refute it, if you took somebody that said they believe it to the comic ping pong pizza place and said, look, there's no there's no basement here. There's no pedophile. It's not like they're going to go on. In that case, I'll vote for Hillary. They were never going to vote for Hillary. They don't like that.

But would they say, OK, I believe it. Like now having toured the facility. Now, I believe it. Now I believe it's not true. They might say, yeah, OK, this one's not true. But what you hear is like, yeah, but some others are probably true. Something like this could be going on. It's the kind of thing Democrats would do, even if this one's not particularly true. My case study of this was the OJ trial, which OJ was acquitted based on a conspiracy theory that the LAPD planted the bloody glove and the blood splatter drops and all that stuff. And even though it was clear that was

not the case here and that he really was guilty, the jury, again, mostly African-Americans, on a kind of a proxy conspiracy theory said, even if this one's not true, it's the kind of thing the LAPD have done. And the fact is they have done that, right? If you look at the history of the relationship of the lapd with african-american community in the 50s 60s and 70s was not good and police did plan evidence right so in a way they're signaling maybe this one's not true but it is the kind of thing that has happened and therefore in this case they acquitted so i think a lot of conspiracies are in that camp as proxies are there people who are more prone to get

pulled into this than others? Yes. So there's a lot of predictive factors, for example, being a little paranoid makes people more likely to believe conspiracy theories. Again, in my constructive conspiracism, I'm arguing that's a feature, not a bug, because as you mentioned at the start, there's enough of these conspiracy theories that turn out to be true. Watergate and Iran-Contra and the Pentagon Papers and WikiLeaks showing all the things the CIA was doing in the 1950s and 60s, the FBI bugging Martin Luther King's phone and taping his sexcapades and so on. Our government was doing this. The CIA was doing this. COINTELPRO, the FBI's program to plant spies in American social justice groups like the

American Indian movement and feminist groups and the Black Panthers and so on. I mean, this was illegal, immoral stuff that Congress didn't approve, didn't even know about. Oftentimes, the president didn't even know what the CIA and the FBI were doing. There's enough of that that people think, this is not entirely crazy to think that this one in particular could be true, right? Or false flag operations like Alex Jones. I mean, it sounds completely ridiculous about Sandy Hook being a false flag operation or 9-11 as an inside job false flag operation. But in fact, we have evidence now since the late 90s that the CIA and the FBI, particularly the CIA with Operation Northwoods,

presented President Kennedy with a whole list of false flag operations as a pretext to invading Cuba and assassinating Castro, including shooting down a commercial airliner of American citizens. Now, to his credit, McNamara and Kennedy said, we're not going to do that. But the fact that high up in the American government, people were proposing that we do these kinds of false flag operations shows you how high up conspiracism is and why people are in part susceptible to these things, because a lot of them are true. How do you know if you're a little bit paranoid? Like, I don't even know what the signs of that are.

Right. Well, it depends on, so here's, let me frame it this way. It's kind of a signal detection problem. Enough conspiracy theories are true that it pays to be a little bit paranoid, but does the signal and the noise stand out enough? Right? So just think of it as like a two by two grid. So up in this corner, you have real conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories that turn out to be true and you signal, I think it's true. That's a hit. Over here, you have conspiracy theories that are

true conspiracies and you fail to recognize them. So that's a type one, a type two error, a false negative. You fail to recognize the real conspiracy. Down here, we have false conspiracy theories and you say that they're true. That's a miss. That's a false positive, a type one error. So my argument is that it pays to make more type one errors than type two errors. That is, think of a conspiracy theory as real when it's not is a better mistake to make than missing a real conspiracy theory because that might harm you. And my evolutionary argument is that in small bands and tribes of people that in which we evolved, there were a lot of coalitional shenanigans going on of people

plotting against other people within a group, groups plotting against other groups. We know this from anthropological studies of indigenous peoples that a lot of this kind of stuff does go on. It pays to be a little paranoid, just in case. And so in general, my argument is that we tend toward erring on the side of assuming conspiracy theories are true just in case. So it's not that some people are paranoid irrationally. That is, it pays to be a little rationally paranoid. And so then the question becomes, well, but does that mean all conspiracy theories are true? No, of course not.

A lot of them are just completely crazy, bogus ideas that are not true. So how do you know, right? So then you have to get into some criteria of our signal detection problem, how many people have to be involved in the conspiracy, how many elements have to come together just right, how grand is the conspiracy theory. And those are the kinds of things I address in the book about how know how do you know uh if if you're you're right or not and i feel like the people who are really conspiracy theorists are serial conspiracy theorists you know like it's not just like i really believe that wuhan started that the virus started in the wuhan lab which by the way is not a conspiracy theory it's probably true uh that's legit but like if you're a conspiracy theorist, you probably said that before we had

any, maybe you said that before we had any evidence of it and you turned out to be right. But I feel like that person, you, maybe you look at their life and they were a 9-11 truther and they were a Barack Obama birther. And they, you know, they had a lot of these along the chain. So you, there's probably got a lot of family members who are like, oh, here she goes again. Right? I know some of those people. Exactly. Right. So surveys show that people that tick the box for one conspiracy theory are more likely to tick the box for a bunch of them or vice versa. So somebody, and even crazier, my favorite paper that I wrote about in the book was called Alive and Dead. People that tick the box that Princess Diana was murdered are also more likely to tick the box that she faked her death and is still alive somewhere.

Oh, I have this too. And JFK Jr. That's right. They're all living in Argentina, right? Marilyn Monroe and so on. Let's go there. I know. Part of it is wishful thinking.

I mean, that stuff is like part of it's wishful thinking. There's some of that. There's also what's called the proportionality bias. That is, we expect effects that we observe to be matched with an equal size cause. So just sort of our folk physics, if I take a little pebble and throw it, I don't have to put much effort into it. But if I take a big rock, I have to really heave it. And if I have a boulder, I've got to use all my might to throw it, right? So there's kind of a equality of cause and effect.

And so, for example, if you ask subjects to roll some dice, now try to roll a small number. You know, they'll kind of gently just drip the dice. But if you say, try to roll a large number, they'll take the dice and really heave it as if somehow that has some magical effect. Of course, it doesn't, but that's kind of the folk psychology of it. So in conspiracy theories, you know, someone like JFK being shot and taken down by who? Some lone nut, Lee Harvey Oswald, that just doesn't match, right? So you got to add the FBI and the CIA and the KGB and the Russians and the mafia and Castro. And so there's kind of a match between cause and effect.

Or Princess Diana, cause of death, drunk driving, speeding, no seatbelt, you know, tens of thousands of Americans die of that every year on American highways, but princesses are not supposed to die like that, right? So that'd be the royal family and MI6 and who knows who's involved in that. And, you know, so, but, so if you take something like the Holocaust, one of the worst things that's ever happened, the cause of that was the Nazi regime, one of the worst political regimes in human history. There's a match. When there's not a match, then we feel we have to add elements to it. That's fascinating. My gosh. You mentioned Alex Jones. He's been all over the news lately,

and I know you were very interested in that case, the defamation cases against him, first by Neil Heslin down in Texas, and now this other one by many of the families still living in connecticut in connecticut court that's the one where he was he's faced with he was faced with a 50 million dollar judgment down in texas and then came a nearly billion dollar judgment against him in connecticut and he live streamed the verdict alex jones did he talked all i mean absurd things he was saying about the families and so on even like to the to the last um what do you make of him because he's i've said this before i interviewed him of course i went down there he said a lot of crazy shit i went back home to nbc we fact-checked all

of it a lot of it turned out to be true a lot of i was like he's a lunatic and then my team at nbc which is top notch in terms of their youence to facts and research, they were like, oh my God, look at they really are merging humans and pigs. I can't remember the specifics, but it was like, there's a little goat with a human face. Whatever. Don't quote me on that. I'm just saying he had a lot of stuff and we were expecting none of it to check out. And a lot of it checked out. And to me, that explained why people got sucked into his rhetoric on something like Sandy Hook, because he's not all wrong all the time. Right. And most conspiracy theories are not complete nonsense, right?

There's always a little bit of an element of truth. I mentioned the Jeffrey Epstein case with Clinton on the plane going to that island. Is there some connection there, right? And before you know it, you're in the pizza gate. Much of his rhetoric is like that. And remember, he's on there for hours every day, just spitballing 100 ideas a day. And so if your team fact checks them, they're going to inevitably find some element of truth about one or two of them or some of them or even a bunch of them,

right? And also there's a conflation of intent or motive behind the alleged conspiracies there. So just take something like the 9-11 truth movement. They debate about to what extent they think it's an inside job by the Bush administration as a false flag operation to as an excuse to invade Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq, but mainly Iraq. Okay, so they call this did he let it happen on purpose lie hop? Or did he make it happen on purpose my hop? Well, my answer to this is neither. It's it's what I call cow hop, capitalized on what happened on purpose. And this is true. This is what politicians do.

You know, after Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt was accused of either letting it happen on purpose or making it happen on purpose as a pretext to supporting Great Britain in the war against Nazi Germany. And, you know, he couldn't get the congressional approval to go to war and so on. American firsters were isolationists and, you know and he needed some pretext. So Pearl Harbor happened, and he took advantage of that. He capitalized on what happened. He didn't make it happen. He didn't know. Same thing with Bush, right? He didn't know 9-11 was going to happen. And in hindsight, with hindsight bias, you have that memo from Condoleezza Rice, August 9th, 2001, Al-Qaeda to attack on U.S. soil. So they knew about it. Why didn't he do something about

it? Yet with hindsight, there's a thousand pieces of intel collected by the CIA every day. Which ones are the ones that in hindsight turn out to be true? You point to it. But of course, without hindsight, you don't know which one is going to turn out to be true. So it's not fair to someone like Bush for that. But of course, he did capitalize on what happened for other political reasons. And so one of the things that bothers me about conspiracy theories like this is they're distracting us from real things, you know, real things like what is the relationship of the US government to the Saudi regime? What exactly is going on there? What about the finances and money and oil and you know that's what people who really do want to kill us and what what we could have been doing to stop it

as opposed to running this false flag like we did it ourselves and not examining that as robustly as we ought to yeah exactly right so you know again this this proportionality bias you know you're telling me 19 guys with box cutters brought down the World Trade Center buildings, that just seems impossible, right? But in fact, in a free society, that is the way it would happen, that these people are largely invisible in the nooks and crannies of a democracy like ours. You can get away with that. Instead, we're told that, you know, it was an inside job. Okay, so who, how did they do this? So here's our signal detection problem.

How many people would have to be involved to plant explosive devices in the World Trade Center buildings, right? We know how this is done. You know, it would take hundreds of people, if not thousands, would have to be involved. They have to break through the drywall of the building to plant explosive devices in the structural beams. And no one seemed to notice this happening. And then they'd have to plant the explosive devices at the exact floors that the planes hit. Because on the videos, you can see the buildings begin to collapse at those floors, right? So they would have to coordinate all of this with the pilots that are flying the planes

or their drone planes. And by the way, there are no planer conspiracy theorists. There were no planes. It was all CGI. Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Oh, my God. Wait, can I just ask, are those people functional? Are those people maintaining nine to five jobs? Are they loons? They don't have a home? No. It's tempting to say they're wackadoodle weirdos with their tinfoil hats, but no. In fact, most of the people I've met, JFK conspiracy theorists, 9-11 truthers, the Obama birthers, you know, all the way up to the rigged election 2020. You know, these are largely intelligent, educated people with jobs.

But I would separate those out. I would separate those out. I mean, I can make arguments on all those. And I interviewed RFK Jr., who's coming back on tomorrow. That's the one that I mentioned we had pre-taped. And he, that, you know, his father was assassinated. That was his uncle. JFK was assassinated down in Texas.

He believes it was the military industrial complex. He believes it was the CIA and so on, the intelligence groups. Now, I don't know if that makes my conspiracies. There is so much as somebody who is the son of the AG who was murdered, whose president was murdered, you know, and all that. Like he's got real reasons to believe. I don't know. I just feel like can't lump them all that. He's got real reasons to believe it. I don't know. I just feel like you can't lump them all in. I'm talking about the true lunatics who, as you just said, think that the 9-11 attack didn't even involve planes, that even those people who witnessed it with their

actual eyes on site are sort of in on it, and that the rest of us just saw a computer simulator. That's a special category of out there. Yes. Yes. That's way out there for sure. So what about those people? Would I know such a person was a little off if I met him? Maybe. I mean, if you went to a Flat Earth Society conference, again, maybe they seem a little off, but most of them have jobs, right? They have families and so on. They keep gas in the tank and they take the kids to school and they go to work. That's not the problem. The problem is kind of a broken epistemology, as it's sometimes called, just knowing how to think about things rationally.

So if you just take something, let's take the JFK thing. Okay, so there is a history of people attempting to assassinate leaders. This happens all the time in history. And Lincoln, of course, was assassinated by a cabal, and we discovered that within hours. And other presidents have been attempted to be assassinated. But why is there, for example, to get the counterfactual? Why are there no conspiracy theories about John Hinckley attempting to assassinate Ronald Reagan? Well, because he missed. Right. I mean, he didn't kill him. Well, he missed, but he didn't kill him. I mean, he didn't miss, but he didn't kill him. I mean, had he killed him, had Reagan died, I predict there would have been this massive conspiracy. Who was behind this guy? You know, why was he allowed to stand there on the sidewalk as Reagan walked out of that hotel? You know, or Squeaky Fromm, one of Manson's girls that attempted to kill President Ford. Well, she missed.

But had she killed him, okay, what was she doing? Who was behind her? The CIA? Weren't they following Manson's family? That's because of the proportionality you said. Right. Exactly. Right. So had Kennedy not been killed that day in Dealey Plaza, let's say Oswald missed or just wounded him? Or let's say it was the mayor of Dallas that was killed that day. Would there be conspiracy theories? Would Oliver Stone be making documentary, four-hour documentary films about the CIA and the military industrial? No, none of this would be happening.

It's because it was Kennedy. Well, then you kind of know, if it was the mayor, you'd know that the CIA is not interested in the mayor. You know, it's like the bigger it gets, the more likely it is that somebody nefarious and large and powerful might be involved. It's impossible. You know, some Joe Schmo on the street, it's not going to be the CIA.

All right, stand by because there's much more to get to. I know you've written a lot. I find it fascinating. You're all fired up about the Leah Thomases of the world going into women's sports. And there is an egregious, egregious example on the volleyball court that I want to get your take on as Michael Shermer stays with us. So Michael, you've written a lot. This is interesting to me that you've got strong feelings on biological men participating in women's sports after they declare themselves trans. And there's been an egregious example of this in the news just this weekend where a high schooler.

OK, let me make sure I get the facts right. This is from The Blaze. It's out of Cherokee County, North Carolina, where a transgender player, male to female, it's always male to female, spiked a ball so forcefully it called it that it caused severe injuries to a young girl's head and neck. There is low quality video of the incident. You can see it here for the YouTube audience. That's the trans player in the green slamming the ball. It hits her in the face. She goes down hard. You can tell it's an unusually hard hit.

And now, so the player collapsed, stayed down for a long amount of time, and now we just got this, again, per the Blaze, that reports, stand by, get my facts, that the girl is said to be still experiencing long-term concussion symptoms, including vision problems, et cetera, has not been cleared to return to play either by a physician or a neurologist. And I think, Kelly McGuire, did you tell me that they're not playing that team? They've halted play against that team? Yeah, for now, they've halted all further play against this team with the trans player.

Can you believe this? Well, I can believe it because of how strong ideology is in pushing us into these kinds of unfortunate situations. I predicted this like over a year ago that if, but I was using MMA as an example, if a male, the female trans competed in an MMA competition and actually killed another woman or severely injured her and lawsuits ensued, that would put an end to the movement. And maybe this volleyball example, I hadn't seen that one, might do it because, you know, woman or severely injured her and lawsuits ensued, that would put an end to the movement. And maybe this volleyball example, I hadn't seen that one, might do it because, you know, with physical damage like that and concussions we know are very serious, that could end up in lawsuits and then that'll bring the movement to an end.

When I say the movement, I mean the kind of expansion of our concept of moral rights to include LGBTQ gay rights and so on, same-sex marriage, is the next step to protect trans people. Yes, okay, in general, that seems right and fair, right? You shouldn't discriminate against people based on their gender or sexual preference or orientation and so forth. But as Thomas Sowell says, you know, about society, that there are no perfect solutions. There's just tradeoffs. So this is what I call conflicting rights issues that, you know, the rights of trans in this case are conflicting against the rights of women to compete against other women for which women fought for for decades, you know, Title IX protection and so on. You know, back when I was in high school and college, you know, the amount of funding for women's sports was pretty low in the 70s, and it's gotten much better. And there's a reason for that. And most of our intuitions, as reflected in polls that say, you know, the vast majority of Americans are against male to female trans competing against biological women because they're not biological women. They're biological men post-puberty. And that's the

problem. And so somebody's going to get hurt. And this case you just showed could be an example of that. And didn't you have somebody on a Frisbee golf player recently? Yeah. Same thing. I mean, just the structure of shoulders, muscles, tendons, bones, ligaments, and so on, they're different. Post-puberty, women are not the same as men. They're overlapping bell curves. You can always find some women that are better than some men, but we're talking about on average. And when you get up into the upper echelons of, say, the top 1% or top 0.01% of athletes, those differences are huge. And it's just not fair. It's just not. This is what's so egregious because it's one thing,

the Leah Thomas situation was bad enough, right? That was bad enough. But at least Leah Thomas swims in Leah Thomas's own lane and can't hurt anybody. This, I mean, you really have to say to parents now if a trans athlete shows up to play against your daughter you've really got to think about getting up and walking out and taking her with you i really think i'd say to my daughter you may not play against that that player that is not safe for you and parents won't it, even though they may want to, because they don't want to offend. So it's like you're placing your kids' safety below your PC instincts. Right. A lot of Leah Thomas's female teammates were afraid to speak out. Now, some of them have. And thankfully, I think that

because the International Swimming Organization banned male to female trans post-puberty from competing. So that was a good move. And I think that will be the direction ultimately. It may have to be nudged along by lawsuits in cases like this. But it's certainly, just imagine women's tennis. We just celebrated Serena Williams' retirement after her massive career. She would have had no career if there were no female. None. No one would have even heard of her. She wouldn't have made a dime.

So it's true, the physical harm, but there's also financial harm. If you're competing for even on college sports, if you're competing for sponsorships or fellowships, tuition scholarships based on your athletic performance and college costs you, what, $50,000, $60,000 a year and you don't get the money because somebody beat you on the court or on the field, then that is harmful. You've said that this, you call this the unmistakable, undeniable, unethical unfairness. That's what this is, this dynamic. Unmistakable, undeniable, unethical unfairness. That is nothing more than cheating. It's cheating to win. You call people like Leah Thomas trans dopers, which I think is a very effective term. And as we've learned from Chris Ruffo, language in these debates does matter. They are trans dopers, which I think is a very effective term. And as we've learned from Chris Ruffo,

language in these debates does matter. They are trans dopers because they have a testosterone advantage no woman would be allowed to compete with. And even if they can lower it, even if they can lower it, they never lower it to where a woman actually is. But that doesn't get rid of their limbs and their muscles and their height and all the other physical advantages they have post-puberty. Massive differences, right? So I use that analogy because I'm a lifelong cyclist. And of course, as you know, in our sport, there was massive doping issues, performance enhancing drugs.

And the fact is, if you are post-puberty and you've had that huge changes made in your body across the board, a thousand changes in the body from pre to post puberty. And then you say, well, I'm going to take a year off like the NCAA required and do the testosterone suppressant treatment and so forth. It's too late. It doesn't make that big a difference. You know, there's maybe a one or 2%, maybe 5% decrease in the athlete's performance pre and post testosterone suppression treatment. But that doesn't change a thousand other things in their body. Their bones are already big and strong and muscles and ligaments and tendons, oxygen capacity and so on. It would be exactly

the equivalent of taking testosterone or human growth hormone or EPO or whatever as a performance enhancing drug, it does matter. It makes a huge difference. Those drugs are like a 10% difference in sports. And so, and I would say probably puberty is more than 10%, depending on which sport you're comparing male and female, but it's massive and it's just not there. And again, it's an on average difference. You can, anecdotes don't help us. Well, I know this woman that can beat most of the men. We're not talking about that woman. And most of the men we're talking about on average, the, the top performers in the field, it's just not fair. And so it's just, it's just so, it's so wrong on so many levels. I just, it's frustrating.

Solution. You know, what do you think parents, coaches, fellow athletes placed in this position should do? Well, boycott. Just refuse to compete. To say, look, if this person is in the competition, we're not going to compete. All of them. Okay, so this is a common knowledge problem. How does everybody know that they're supposed to do that? Well, you have to have a kind of a coordination game.

That is, people have to say, agree ahead of time. If this happens, all of us are going to boycott at once. Because if there's no communication, you can't rely on any one athlete to be the person that stands up and says, I'm not going to compete. Because if everybody else keeps their mouth shut, then that one person is harmed. And so that's not fair either, right? So it has to be a coordination. But how do you get them? How do you know, is harmed. And so that's not fair either. Right. So it has to be. How do you get them? How do you get when you've got like the woke, super lefty, you know, high PC parents who are like, absolutely not. I mean, we saw even other players, not so much at UPenn, who actually had to swim against Leah Thomas on their team, but from a couple of other schools come out and say, it's not all about, not everything's about winning.

You know, there's a greater principle here. So you're going to get some who are going to give you that lecture. Yeah. What's the point of doing sports if you don't try to win, you know, that's the whole point of games for most games, most sports anyway,

is to try to win. What's otherwise, why do it? Just, just go recreational play by yourself or whatever. But yeah, so that's not right. I think i do i do think this too will pass hopefully uh you know maybe it'll take a decade total for the whole thing to play out because we've gone through these things before the pendulum swings back and forth goes to extreme people push back we do know recent surveys just

from last week you know again it's like 80% something of Americans are against male and female trans competing against women and women's sports, even though the same majority also thinks trans should have rights and should not be fired for being trans and discriminated against and so forth. So it's not a rights issue. It's a justice and a fairness issue. And just to remind people, folks like Leah Thomas have absolutely no compunction about what they're doing. No regrets, no guilt,

no empathy for their fellow teammates and what they're putting them through. As a reminder, here was Leah Thomas responding to her upset teammates in an interview she did with ABC back when it was during or right before the NCAA's top five. Women who signed the letter anonymously said that they absolutely supported your right to

transition, but they simply think it's unfair for you to compete against cisgendered women. You can't go halfway and be like, I support trans women and trans people, but only to a certain point, where if you support trans women as women and they've met all the NCAA requirements, then I don't know if you can really say something like that. Trans women are not a threat to women's sports. So deal with it.

All right, wait, I only have two minutes left, so let me shift gears and ask you about Kanye. Because, you know, talk about conspiracy, like, when you listen to him, he genuinely believes there's the cabal of Jewish people controlling these industries. Yes, now we finally apologize for it. But, you know, what do you make of his comments? Yeah, I saw the attribution that he's bipolar, so we have to forget that. No, it's wrong. This is anti-Semitism. It's as old as civilization, really. It goes back thousands of years. Jews have always been accused of doing things. And also, there was in the Black

community back in the 90s when Louis Farrakhan, you can see our cover painting by Pat of Louis Farrakhan there, accusing the Jews of doing this and doing that. And so much of conspiracy theories involve Jews. It's just, we have to stomp that out. We have to just stand up and say, no, that is wrong. You can't say that. Stop saying that. You're lying. It's not true. And if not, because then again, there'll be harm committed. It's not good. Right. Exactly. There's already like banners going up on certain bridges and roads by crazy like KKK. In LA, of all places. Come on. Right. So somebody as famous and well-known and successful as Kanye starts saying this. And unfortunately, it does become a permission slip for the crazy groups who are devoting their lives to this to get more

active. So you do need to pay attention. And even though you might not be able to talk Kanye or anybody else out of their beliefs, you can make clear that there are certain lines we're not going to cross as a society. And anybody thinking about toying with it is going to be pushed hard out of the light circles. We all going to be pushed hard out of. We all need to stand up and say something. Yep. Yeah. All right, Michael, what a pleasure.

Thank you so much for being here. Good luck. The book is called Conspiracy. Always a pleasure. Thank you. Coming up, Senator Ted Cruz is here. He just got protested over on The View and yelled out while attending a Yankees-Astros game last night at Yankee Stadium.

What? Don't forget. We'll ask him all about that. And in the meantime, don't forget, if you want to find more Ted Cruz, you can see him on the Megyn Kelly show. He's been here a couple of times, along with a million other great guests, people who help make us what we are on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Check us out on YouTube.

And there you'll find our full archives, too youtube and on apple and so on joining me now texas senator ted cruz he was just with our friends over on the view we'll ask him why he did that and protesters started going nuts in the audience maybe that's why we're gonna play it it for you. His brand new book, Justice Corrupted, How the Left Weaponized Our Legal System, is out tomorrow. Senator Cruz, great to have you back here on the show. Megan, thanks for having me. Great to be with you. Why did you do it? Why go over there? That is not your those are not your people. into the whole country. And I think conservatives spent too much time just preaching to the choir. I think it's important to have a real and civil conversation and actually get to substance. You know, so you could turn from the choir to the congregation instead of going right into the pits of hell. Well, but I got to say, for some of the viewers of The View, you know, they've never heard another another side. So, for example, Whoopi was going on and on about, well, you know, they've never heard another side. So, for example, Whoopi was going on and on about,

well, you know, Republicans contest the legitimacy of the election. Well, you say Joe Biden is legitimate. And I put it, I said, wait a second. Why is there a double standard? Why don't you apply this to Democrats? Democrat after Democrat. Hillary Clinton sat there on The View and said Donald Trump was illegitimate election. Stacey Abrams sat there on The View and said Donald Trump was illegitimate election. Stacey Abrams sat there on The View and said that Brian Kemp was illegitimately elected. And all of the women on The View nodded along and agreed with it. And I said, how can it be that you only think and by the way, Whoopi jumped in and said, well, they were those were illegitimate. And I said, well, it's only legitimate if the Democrat wins, but not if the Republican wins. And I think it was important for some of their viewers at least to hear something other than the straight party line. I can't tell. I haven't seen it yet. I just was told about it by my team. I can tell whether the person protesting

you was upset with you or is just a left wing loon. Here's the soundbite and we'll talk about it. It's very simple. If you look at inflation, the Nobel laureate economist Milton Friedman explained that the United States inflation has one cause and one cause only. Inflation in the United States has one cause and one cause only. And that is when the federal government spends too much money. We have seen trillions and trillions of dollars spent by Joe Biden. So finally, Whoopi has to tell him to shut up. I don't know what they're saying and I don't want to promote their group, but they're upset about climate change.

Yeah, look, they were climate protesters. As far as I can tell, they were not even directed at me. They were actually protesting the view. But obviously, my being there gave them a hook to show up. And so they were you know, I joked afterwards, I'm glad they didn't have a Van Gogh painting hanging in the background. These nuts might have thrown soup on it. The Monet painting that just got attacked by these loons. I was relieved to see that after they did that, the painting wasn't damaged because they chose a painting that had glass in front of it. I'd like to hope they did that intentionally because that's what happened a couple of weeks ago. But look at these assholes. I'm sorry. Forgive me, Senator. I shouldn't swear in front of you. That's horrific. And obviously, you know,

when you're dealing with masterpieces and great works of art, that they're literally destroying them for humanity. Now, you're right. It had glass on it. So the painting itself is preserved. The frame is not. And often the frame has historical significance as well with the painting. But these people are just radical. I have to say, they keep gluing their hands to the walls. I'd really like one of these museums simply to come in, remove the paintings, clear out the room, and just leave them there. Just leave them there for a week or so, maybe give them some water, but they glue themselves to the wall. I guess they can figure out what the solution is. Because they'd have to have a little straw in it.

I like your plan. All right. So before we get to the news, because there's so much to discuss, President Biden gave an interview that made a lot of headlines. What happened at Yankee Stadium? They yelled at you there, too? I mean, they yell at everybody in your defense, but I guess it got a little tense. Astros fan. And so I went to game two of the series in Houston. And then last night I went to game four up in Yankee Stadium. And I knew I was going into the belly of the beast. I was in bright orange Astros colors. So you deserved it, is what you're saying. You deserved it. And I have to admit, look, I mean, the Strohs, we swept them in four games. And every time we got a hit, I was up cheering. And so I will say there were a lot of people suggesting I do things that are actually, I think, anatomically impossible. But you know what was actually really encouraging? There were a ton of people who was also coming up and wanting to take selfies. And I didn't know some guy would take a swing at me or something. And thankfully, that never happened. I saw a few

middle fingers. But frankly, if you're an Astros fan at a Yankees game, you got to expect that. You know what you're getting. I guess we have that video. I don't know. All right. All these lovely walks down memory lane for you. Here we go. Here it is. Fuck you, you racist piece of shit. Fuck you. Fuck you, man. You suck. You fucking suck, OK. You nominated him. So they're not that well versed in how the Senate's role works. Well, and I'll say, Megan, I have one word for that lovely individual and a few of his compatriots, and that one word is scoreboard. You know, I just saw a stat today that the Astros are the only team in history to have eliminated the Yankees from postseason play four times. I was there the last time we beat them in game six, which was awesome.

I've been to a bunch of the games with my youngest daughter, Catherine, who you know. You know Catherine well. You've known her since she was little bitty. And I got to tell you, it's one of the coolest things. So 2017 World Series, I got to go to games three, four, and five. Game three, I took my dad, which was totally cool to do a father-son. I grew up having Astro season tickets as a kid. Game four, I took Heidi,

which I adore Heidi, but frankly, it was a way she doesn't care about baseball and she was bored the whole time. And I'm like, okay. Mistake. Game five, I took Catherine. It was the day after her eighth birthday. And it's an interesting testament to the time that it was. 2017, it was just Catherine and me. We actually didn't have any security. I've got security now just because the world has gone insane. But then it was just the two of us in the stadium. And if you remember game five, that was the one that went till about 1.30 in the morning. And we're dancing and celebrating and hugging. And I told her that day, I said, I said, sweetheart, you won't fully appreciate this now, but you will tell your grandkids that

you were here. You have just witnessed the greatest baseball game in the history of the Houston Astros. That was six years ago. And every season now in the postseason, I take Catherine, it's become the best daddy-daughter bonding. It is hard to find something I love more than going with Catherine to Astros postseason. Well, I can honestly, I understand what you said about Heidi. I was stuck with Doug one time watching the Super Bowl. It was one of those ones where Tom Brady was leading the Patriots to a come from behind victory.

And, you know, it was like crazy Tom Brady, the Hail Mary thing. And no one thought they were going to win. They did win thanks to him. And we were sitting in this bar because we were at a charity event. So we were like, we went out to this bar to watch. It was just the two of us because it's like no man's land. And it was crazy how good the throw was. And I remember saying, he is so good at throwing.

Tuck was like, is there anyone else I can talk to? Anyone? You can eat it, Catherine. So Megan, when the University of Texas played USC for the national championship in the Rose Bowl, Heidi and I went to that game. And it was actually the first football game she's ever been to. She is not a big sports fan. And that was an amazing game. Vince Young dominated the game. Texas won a national championship. I remember in the middle of the game, Heidi looks at me and goes,

that Vince Young guy is pretty good. I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's not bad. Well, it makes me laugh to think of the people trying to intimidate you. Because of course, as I said in your intro, a guy who's argued before the US Supreme Court more than a dozen times doesn't scare easy. They are way scarier than anybody giving you the middle finger it's like you have to have nerves steel to do that and not to mention all your political experience so yeah wrong target but it did raise something that i want to ask you about if you don't mind sure and that is they raised the trump's insult of heidi and you know that was a very ugly chapter and i remember tweeting about it and how wrong that was and But I do like I told a couple

people, oh, Ted Cruz coming out on Monday and a couple of people were more left leaning. But they said, how could he have forgiven Trump after that? And I don't know if that's a question you get, but what is the answer to that? So it was actually a question I got just just an hour ago from from Anna Navarro on. Oh, there you go. Like I said, they're more or less leaning. And listen, the answer is one you'll understand. You'll remember well, 2016 was one hell of a primary. Trump and I beat the living daylights out of each other. We stood there and pounded over and over again. I ended up winning 12 states and he ended up beating me. We both took hard, hard shots. The shots he took at Heidi and my dad were garbage. And I said it at

the time, but I have to admit, actually, both Heidi and my dad cracked up laughing about it. They thought it was ridiculous. And then afterwards, once he won, he beat me. And once he was elected president in November, I had a decision to make. And my decision was, all right, am I going to do my job? I've been elected to represent 30 million Texans. I suppose I could say my feelings are hurt. I'm going to take my ball and go home. But you know what? If I was prepared to do that, then I need to be prepared to resign from my job because I can't effectively represent 30 million Texans and refuse to work with the president. And as you know well, because I was there, Trump attacked and insulted you pretty nastily too. But you had a job to do. You're a journalist, so you couldn't have said, all right, I'm not going to cover the president of the United States.

I'm mad. So to heck with my job, my responsibility. You know, you were an adult and said, I got a job to do. You didn't like what he said about you, but, you know, life moves on. That's what I appreciate about you. You didn't make it about yourself. You chose not to make it about yourself. I'm going chose not to make it about yourself. I'm going to guess you don't go to bed at night with a little teddy bear that looks just like Donald Trump and stroke his hair. Like, it doesn't matter. That is a fair guess. You decided to make it about your constituents, you know, and for me, too, like you made it

about your job and I made it about my job. And the vast majority of people in the media industry did not do that. And even some Republicans like the never Trumpers industry did not do that. And even some Republicans, like the Never Trumpers, decided not to do that. And it's one thing if you're not elected, but if you're elected to represent real Republicans, there's a divergence there. And Megan, I'll point out something. There's a massive media double standard in hypocrisy because they only ask this question of Republicans. So if you remember back to the 2020 Democrat presidential debate, Kamala Harris stood on the stage and called Joe Biden a racist. because they only ask this question of Republicans. So if you remember back to the 2020 Democrat

presidential debate, Kamala Harris stood on the stage and called Joe Biden a racist. She called him a bigot, said you were for segregation. You were standing with segregation. Don't you remember, Kamala? I was that little girl. That was her shining moment. Now, she's perfectly happy to be vice president to the person she called a racist, segregationist bigot. And I don't think I've ever once seen a corporate media reporter ask Kamala, well, do you still think that? And why are you willing to serve with him? It's purely a gotcha game.

And it's kind of silly, frankly. And not just Kamala, but Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House secretary, just last week or the week before when that L.A. story broke of the racist council woman and the two guys who listened to her racist comments about calling black children monkeys. She came out there, Karine Jean-Pierre. She was like, Democrats call out the bigots in their party. Democrats fire the people, the bigots in their party or the people say racist things. It's like, hello, you elected one president according to the vice president. Well, and I'll point out also, where was Karine Jean-Pierre on Ralph Northam, the governor of Virginia, the Democrat. Governor Blackface. Had in his yearbook, not just the blackface. So the weird thing is there's a picture of a guy in

blackface, another picture of a guy wearing a Ku Klux Klan regalia. And when the story broke and he put it on his page, like he selected that picture, his first response is he said, you know, I could have been one of those two guys. I'm not sure. And the media was very strange. They all called it the blackface scandal. I thought that was bizarre. Like if you cannot stand up and say with absolute certainty, I have never dressed as a Klansman, like, holy crap, maybe you shouldn't be in public office. And that's a big one. It is an amazing.

I actually talk about that in the new book, Justice Corrupted. I talk about the Democrats history on race. You look at the Ku Klux Klan. The Ku Klux Klan was founded by the Democrats. Nathan Bedford Forrest, who led it, was a delegate to the 1860 National Democratic Convention. The Klan consisted almost exclusively of Democrats. The Jim Crow laws were written by Democrat politicians to prevent the voters from voting Democrats out of office. And the history, the Democrat Party has tragically trafficked in racism a long time. And all of that

gets gets ignored in the corporate media. And they're still obsessed with race. Yes. You write in the book about the affirmative action policies that they're pushing at every turn, the critical race theory that they're shoving down the throats of our kids. This big case is up the Supreme Court this term about whether they can continue using race in college admissions. First of all, as a lawyer and a very successful one, what do you make of that case and how do you think that's likely to go? So I think the plaintiffs are very likely to prevail. Elite universities, especially Harvard and Yale, and unfortunately, I'm an alumnus of Harvard, that they openly, nakedly, blatantly

engage in racial discrimination, and in particular, racial discrimination against Asian Americans. They've decided if they let students in based on merits, they think too many Asian Americans would be admitted, so they're going to discriminate against them. And under President Trump, the Department of Justice opened an investigation into Yale and their practices of discriminating against Asian Americans. When Biden became president, one of the very first thing they did is dismiss the case. They said, we don't care about it at all. And I'll tell you, Megan, you may remember last year, there was a vote on the Senate floor on a bill that was called an Asian-American hate crimes

bill. And it was Mazie Hirono from Hawaii. And it was all based on kind of a silly political point, which is they were trying to say that hate crimes against Asian Americans are Donald Trump's fault because he referred to COVID as the Wuhan virus because it came from Wuhan, China. And it was sort of a political thumb in your eye. So I introduced a very simple amendment on the Senate floor. It was one paragraph. And the amendment said, the federal government shall give no funds to any university that discriminates in admissions or scholarships against Asian-Americans. Oh, wow. We voted on it.

I missed that. That's good. Every single Democrat voted no. It was a straight party line vote. It failed by one vote. To the best of my knowledge, I have never seen a single Democrat senator asked ever, why did you vote in favor of racial discrimination against Asian Americans? The corporate media just covers them up. And the reason they vote that way is they know they'll be protected because journalists, far too many of them have abandoned the job of actually holding people to account and telling the truth. Oh, my gosh, it's so funny because like you think about it, you know, they say, oh, we talk about it in these legal terms like race based admissions. They would like to factor race in is what what that what's really happening is these

universities are essentially sitting there saying, if we if we get rid of this, all the Asians are going to take up all the spots. Can I get rid of all those Asians and all these Asians running around Harvard? That's what's happening. happening. How is that not blatantly racist? How could it possibly stand in 2022? Well, and Harvard, unfortunately, has a long and ugly tradition. You go back to the 40s and 50s, and they had anti-Jewish quotas for the same reason. They said, if we don't put quotas in, too many Jewish people will get in based on academic merit, so let's cap them. It's the same ugly history of racism. I also talk in the book, I talk about the history of critical race theory, which began at Harvard Law School,

roughly the time I was there. Kataji Brown Jackson and I were both in law school together. She was a year behind me. We're both on the law review together. And I lay out the history of critical race theory, but the Democrats embrace. So critical race theory, it is a Marxist theory, but it's based not on the notion of equality. It's based on what they call equity. And equity means affirmatively embracing racial discrimination, discriminating against whoever is deemed the dominant or oppressive classes. And so I described in the book, for example, there was a Biden judicial nominee, an Asian American woman who was nominated to the district court. And I asked her a simple question.

I said, is racial discrimination wrong? She refused to answer. I asked her three or four times. She refused to answer. Now, the reason she refused to answer is her student note, also written at Harvard. She advocated in favor of discriminating against Asian-Americans. Now, mind you, she is Asian-American and she writes how essentially Asian-Americans who believe discrimination against them was wrong were not sufficiently woke. Woke was not a term then, but that's basically what she said, that they they have bought into the colonialist oppressive mindset and they should, in the interest of equity, welcome being discriminated against. Now, that is not. And that, unfortunately, is where the Democrat Party is. Yeah. I mean, remember when Serena Williams' husband resigned from Reddit, a company I think he founded from its board because he wanted to make room for more diverse people. It's like, OK, so that's where we are. Can I tell you this? A friend of

mine just sent this to me. It's from the New York Post. I think on Friday. And I knew about this. But this isn't now in writing. And it's spreading. So Brearley. The Brearley School.

This is one of those very Tony. Girls school. 60 grand a year. But there are at least five schools in New York now doing it. Not only do you have to. If you apply your daughter to Brearley. Not only are you told. The parents are expected to attend two. Diversity, equity, inclusion and anti-racism workshops per school year.

But you have to write a 500 word essay demonstrating your fealty to those values. And then if your daughter gets in, you're expected to sign a pledge vowing to support this new religion, writes the New York Post. We expect teachers, staff members, parents, everybody to participate in anti-racist training to pursue meaningful change through deliberate measurable actions. These will include identifying and eliminating policies, practices, and beliefs that uphold racial inequity in our community. And then it goes on to say, you also must discuss with your child Brearley's mission, diversity, equity, and inclusion, and anti-racist statements in the student handbooks and establishing your family's responsibility to uphold these values. This is crazy. It really is. And it's one of the things I talk about at length in the book is critical race theory is a Marxist theory. Marxism coming from the teachings of Karl Marx. It began with believing

in an economically deterministic view of the world that divided the world into socioeconomic classes and the haves and have nots. And the essence of Karl Marx is that the bourgeoisie, the owners of capital, are inherently oppressing the proletariat, the working man. And what they call for is an overthrow of capitalism and replacing it with a communist system. Now, what happened subsequently to that is communism failed all across the world and it produced misery and poverty and suffering and death, but it found a home in the Ivy League. It found a home at Harvard Law School. When I was at Harvard, Marxism had metastasized into what was called critical legal theory. And it took the same Marxist lens, but it broke it into it said the law is all about enabling the owners of capital to oppress the working class. Well, the next mutation of that was critical race theory. And it uses the same lens, but instead of dividing us up based on socioeconomic class, it divides us up based on race.

Critical race theory says everything is about race and white people are inherently racist and discriminating against black people. And everything in society should reverse that. And one of the founders of critical race theory is this guy, Ibrahim Kendi, who I go through his writings at length, who coined the word anti-racism, which is, I got to give him a shout out for very clever propaganda because look, anti-racism, how can you not be for that? If you're anti-anti-racism, doesn't that make you pro-racism? But what he calls anti-racism is embracing, we will discriminate against anyone we view as a favored class in society. And Ibram Kendi, by the way, is viciously racist. He has written.

So racist. He has written, among other things, that white people are fundamentally different and they deliberately spread AIDS in the African-American community. He's like accused that as a whole basis and the viciousness of it. He was the one who tweeted about Amy Coney Barrett adopting black children like she was a colonizer and she was trying to impart her white values to I can't remember the insanity of his tweet. But that's how he was thinking about Amy Coney Barrett, as opposed to somebody, a white woman who didn't object to or see the color of these black children, just wanted to give them a good home. He's also written that capitalism is inherently racist and and that you have to overthrow capitalism to be anti-racist.

These are explicit Marxist and communist, and it is being taught in our schools. It is being taught in corporations. What's happening at Brearley, the sad thing is there are schools all across the country. There's a whole business teaching this in schools. And the book Justice Corrupted begins with Loudoun County, Virginia. And you'll remember, your viewers will remember Loudoun County, Virginia, 14-year-old girl goes to school and she is sexually assaulted in the bathroom the girl's bathroom by a boy wearing a skirt and the school district covers it up lies about it insists it didn't happen in fact they transfer the boy the rapist to another school where he

sexually assaults another little girl this guy was a recidivist the parents go to the school board in loudon county the dad is is both parents are understandably upset to the school board in Loudoun County. The dad is, both parents are understandably upset. And the school board insists this has never happened. No boy dressed in a skirt has ever assaulted anyone. And they had an ideology that mattered more than taking care of the kids in their care. And the father, understandably, is pissed off and says, look, my daughter was raped in your school and you're covering it up. And what happened? They threw him on the ground. They arrested him. They handcuffed him. And subsequently to that, the National Association of School Boards wrote a letter to Biden asking the Department of Justice to target parents as domestic terrorists using the Patriot Act. And six days later, Merrick Garland wrote a memo to the FBI saying, go after moms and dads. And if they go to a school board and express unhappiness with sexual assaults, unhappiness with critical race theory, go interrogate them and treat them as suspects. And Megan, they're doing it right now. The Biden FBI is interviewing and targeting parents all across the country. That is an abuse of power. They are? Yes. Yes. No, they've admitted that

they're actively, if you're a mom or dad and you go you go to your school board and you raise concern. The FBI has gone and interviewed bunches of those folks. Merrick Garland hasn't backed away from this at all. My goodness, you don't see as many of those reports. Of course, I followed the whole drama and they were doing it at the time. I thought after they got publicly shamed and the school board group withdrew their letter. He settled down on that. I mean, Merrick Garland, you tell me, he seems like he's out of control. I think that's exactly right.

I think Merrick Garland has done more damage to the Department of Justice than any attorney general in history. And the book begins with Richard Nixon. I'm not a fan of Richard Nixon. Richard Nixon tried to do this. He tried to use DOJ and the FBI and the IRS to target his political enemies. And so the first chapter goes into all the details of the corruption. It's good. G. Gordon Liddy. Yeah. And I mean, it's some weird stuff. I mean, they literally- It is weird. I was reading it like, what? Even I didn't know this stuff. Look, they were giving LSD to people involuntarily, to homeless people. I mean, it's bizarre.

Now, what happened by and large is the system mostly worked. The FBI, the DOJ, the IRS resisted Nixon, said, no, we won't be used as a weapon to target our enemies. And Nixon resigned in disgrace. Well, what Nixon tried to do, Barack Obama succeeded in doing. And he used the machinery of government to go after his political enemies. After Obama, hard partisans burrowed into the senior career positions at DOJ and FBI and the IRS. And it's metastasized under Joe Biden. During Trump, the deep state warred against Trump. And now under Biden, they are shamelessly using it as a

political enforcement tool for the DNC. And that is so fundamentally destroying the integrity of DOJ and the FBI. It is an absolute scandal. And sadly, the corporate media altogether ignores it. Can that be undone? Yes. Yes, it definitely can be undone. The first big step is going to be Election Day. I think we're going to see Republican majorities in both the House and Senate. You do? I do. I'm in the middle of a 17-state, month-long national bus tour. So I'm doing rallies all over the country for candidates for the Senate, candidates for the House. I think we're going to see a tidal wave election on the order of magnitude of 2010. Wow. How many seats are the Republicans

going to have the Senate by? I think it is anywhere between 50 and 57. If you push me to pick a number, I'd probably pick 53 is where I think we'll end up. 53. What do you think it's going to be? Arizona, Nevada? So I think Nevada is the most likely pick up in the country where I think we'll end up. 53. What do you think it's going to be? Arizona, Nevada? So I think Nevada is the most likely pickup in the country. I think Adam Laxalt is really strong. I've done a bunch of rallies with him. I think probably the second most likely pickup is Georgia. I've done a bunch of rallies with Herschel Walker. I'll be with Herschel in a few days, doing another rally with him. Those are the two most likely pickups. I'd say the next tier are Arizona and New Hampshire. The public polling has both those candidates down a couple of points, but they're really close. I think both of them, I think both Blake Masters in Arizona and General Bulldog in New Hampshire,

they both can win, and I'm supporting both. The next tier beyond that of pickup opportunities, I would say, is Colorado. And even here's a dark horse, Washington State. I heard about this. This is Smiley, right? Yes. Smiley? Yeah. Look, Washington State is a tough state for Republicans. It's a really blue state. But I think Tiffany Smiley, the candidate, is a really impressive candidate. And the polling has her within a couple of points. If it's a really good day, we could end up winning there. And then the rest of the races, like I just did a couple of days ago, three big rallies with J.D. Vance in Ohio. I think J.D.'s going to win. Pennsylvania, Dr. Oz, public polling has him down a couple of points, but he was down 10 or 11 points a month

ago. So I think we're headed in the right direction. I think Oz has a real chance. And the debate's on the 25th. Yeah. We have the debate between those guys on the 25th. Yeah. So I'm feeling very good about the overall dynamic, but you asked what can we do about the politicization of DOJ and the FBI. One of the first things we can do starting next year is have real oversight hearings, oversight dragging DOJ, dragging the FBI, dragging the administration before the Senate, before the House with subpoenas and holding them accountable for the abuse of power and the politicization. I think that's hugely important. And then the real solution to fix it is we got to win in 24 and appoint leadership at these agencies who will

clean house and get rid of the partisans who burrowed into and corrupted these institutions. Megan, I hear all the time from prosecutors at DOJ, from agents at the FBI who are furious. They're frustrated. Look, they're patriots who love America and they're seeing the institutions they've devoted their lives to fundamentally corrupted. I don't want to see a Republican DOJ. I don't want to see a Democrat DOJ. I want a Department of Justice that follows the law. And I think that ought to bring us together. Can I ask you about this? At the executive level, if there's a change in Democrats, I should say leaders, Democrats or Republican, how much of that CRT stuff can be undone? He's not going to

get to Brearley, right? Yeah. But he could like a lot of this stuff is being done at the federal level. And he pushes a new thing every week, it seems, mandating more DEI here or more scholarships there if a school bends on the knee and pushes this stuff on its students. So how much would that change if we had a Republican president? So I think you can do an enormous amount fighting back against CRT with a Republican president. One of the first things you can do is within the federal workforce. So every federal agency is right now forcing this on federal employees. It's even worse, tragically, in the military, where the military, our service academies, they're teaching this garbage on them.

You look at, we had a senior general recently put out a directive in the Air Force not to refer to men and women, not to refer to moms and dads. I mean, it's just nutty. You know, one of the things I think to understand, this is not even Republican and Democrat or conservative and liberal, that this is sane and insane. I mean, these people can't say what a woman is. That's just weird. You know, today, Joe Biden came out and said that he was affirmatively for the genital mutilation of children, like having a child who believes he or she is transgender, doing a surgery that permanently alters that child, that sterilizes that child. And look, my view is no child has the

maturity to make that decision. If an adult makes that decision, we all have rights to make decisions, even if those decisions are not wise. But a child, an 8, 9, 10, 11, 12-year-old does not have the maturity to make that decision. And the Democrats have decided they are pro permanent life-altering mutilation of kids. That is not a mainstream position, to put it mildly. But the Democrat Party is captive to the radicals in their base on almost every issue. This is, we actually have that sound bite, a trans woman who has been, someone who identifies as a trans woman, Dylan Mulvaney, who has been a quote woman for less than a year, was

invited to the White House. This is like the third time in three weeks we've covered this Dylan Mulvaney. This person's getting tons of coverage. They were invited to go to the Forbes Most Powerful Women's Conference. Then they were featured on the Ulta Beauty discussion the trans community might say the person has been trans for two minutes. And this is where President Biden made the remarks you're talking about. It's not 11. Here it is. Do you think states should have a right to ban gender affirming health care? I don't think any state or anybody should have the right to do that as a moral question, as a legal question. I just think it's wrong.

So it should be readily available. And gender affirming care includes not only cross sex hormones, but potentially surgeries for young, young children. You know, I will say that phrase gender affirming health care is one of the most Orwellian phrases that I think I've ever heard. What are they talking about? They're talking about a little boy, an eight, nine, 10 year old cutting off his genitals. What are they talking about? They're talking about a little girl removing her uterus, removing her ability to have children because the child, or I think sometimes with the case of kids, the woke parents have decided that that child should be a different gender. And you do

have some people who identify as transgender, and then sometime later, they change their mind and want to go back. And listen, if an adult makes a decision, from the dawn of time, there have been men who wanted to be women and women who wanted to be men. They've historically been a pretty small percentage of our society, but that has been part of the human condition. Adults, I think, have a right to do what they want, but this preaching it to kids is profoundly dangerous. And I think it is child abuse. If you cut off your child's genitals, I don't care what your political reason for that is, you're making a decision for that kid that the kid is not mature enough to make. And if you're making it, you are not putting the well-being of that child as your principal goal. And if the child decides later that he or she would like to have children,

the parents, if they've gone down this road, have taken that choice off of the child's future forever. It's deeply disturbing if you don't know what they do to children when they give teenagers gender affirming care. Look it up because infertility, the inability to ever have an orgasm. These are like the small consequences. Once you actually perform surgery, you're talking about changes you can never have back. And they're catastrophic. Absolutely. All right. And it's a multibillion dollar business, too. That's one of the things driving cash. And the kids are a casualty of the desire for cash. That's right. We saw that at a previously respected university in the hospital associated with Vanderbilt, thanks to Matt Walsh on The Daily Wire. You know, horrific revelation about how excited they were about how much dough these procedures on kids was going to come into the hospital.

All right, stand by, because I got to squeeze in a break and we're going to get more on Justice Corrupted. I like the title. Justice Corrupted with its author, Senator Ted Cruz. Don't go away. We talked about what would things change if we had a change in leadership at the top. The current leader has said he would like to remain that leader for another four years. It's getting a little bit more explicit as time goes on. He gave an interview to MSNBC's Jonathan Capehart.

And the exchange is making news not just for what he said, but how he said it and how the exchange went. Here it is, SOT6. I have not made that formal decision, but it's my intention, my intention to run again. And we have time to make that decision. Speaker 2 Dr. Biden is for it. Mr. President. Speaker 3 Dr. Biden thinks that my wife thinks that, that I, that we're doing something very important. Speaker 1 Oh boy. What do you make of that? Speaker 2 Look, I mean, that was disturbing. that we're doing something very important.

Oh, boy. What do you make of that? Look, I mean, that was disturbing. There is no doubt that Joe Biden is dealing with very significant mental deterioration. When I was elected to the Senate a decade ago, Joe was vice president. He swore me in. I know Joe of most of the senators. We all know him.

That's not the Joe Biden we knew. It is really striking. I'll tell you, Megan, as I travel around the country, you know what the most frequent question I get asked? Who's running things? People ask me that constantly. Who's in charge? And the terrifying answer that I give is I have no idea. I can tell you since Biden became president, I have not spoken with him. Not once. That is weird. Now, you might say, OK, Cruz, you're a right winger. So fine. He's not talking to you. He's spoken to virtually none of the Republican senators. We sit around at lunch and talk about how they're basically hiding him in the basement. They don't have him talk to us. And that is weird. I mean, I talk to Obama regularly. I talk to Trump every week, sometimes every day when he was president.

It is clear that his mental deterioration has been significant. And I got to tell you, I think the odds that Joe Biden runs for reelection are 0.00%. That is simply not going to happen. He's not up to it. And we're in the midst of the Democrat primary right now. You can see that the Democrat contenders, I think the top four contenders are Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, Gavin Newsom and Elizabeth Warren. And I think the four of them are like circling around in a knife fight. And every one of them is jabbing each other in the backs, positioning because nobody thinks that Biden's going to be at the top of the ticket. That's going to be really fun to watch. There's an error or a wrong word or a wander, you know, unable to find his way off the stage every day. And the latest one was, I don't know, I think this is a senior moment. Otherwise, it's a blatant lie on whether on how he got student loan debt through.

We just had a court say that's not going anywhere. Stand by. No one's don't apply. Like no one's getting any loans paid off right now. We're going to have this legal challenge play play out. The circuit said that while we decide whether this is legal. But here he was talking about his efforts to get that passed. All right.

Sot 10. You don't have one of those loans. You just get 10,000 written off. It's passed. I got a pass by a vote or two. What is he talking about? He has no idea. Nothing passed. There hasn't been a vote. I've been trying to press to get a vote in the Senate. The Democrats are terrified of a vote on this because they recognize it's really bad politics. And so a number of Democrats who are on the ballot in November are running away from this because, you know, what Biden did as a policy matter is reverse Robin Hood. You know, Robin Hood, of course, took from the rich and gave to the poor. What the Democrats are doing,

what the Biden White House did is take from working men and women, take from plumbers and electricians and truck drivers and steel workers and blue collar workers across the country who may not themselves have gone to college. to affluent college graduates, in many instances, people who are making or are on a path to make a lot more than the blue collar workers who they're taking money from. And I got to tell you, working men and women are pissed. I'll tell you who also is pissed. The millions of people who took loans and worked responsibly and paid them off. Listen, when I went to college, my parents had just filed for bankruptcy. They had a small business in Houston. It was the 1980s and they went bankrupt. We lost our home. We lost everything we had. When I went to college, I was 17. I was financially on my own. I worked two jobs and had to figure out how to make college work. And so I took a bunch of student loans. I came out of college and law school with about a hundred grand in student loans. And it took me nearly 20

years to pay them off. I paid them all off and I worked year after year paying every month. There are millions of people like that who are responsible. And Biden, through just an executive order, a decree, and frankly, one that is lawless, one that I believe the courts will strike down as contrary to federal law, he's trying to buy votes. And that's what this is about. But it's an ironic Freudian slip there, because not only was there not a vote, the reason there wasn't a vote is Chuck Schumer blocked it because he didn't want to put Democrats on record as supporting this reverse Robin Hood, screwing blue collar workers, because I think a

lot of Democrats realize that that politics is not great. But it's so the reason there's a legal challenge in the Eighth Circuit right now is a whole group of states are arguing, you can't do this as president, it went beyond your executive powers. If you want to do this, you need Congress to pass a bill that you can then sign into law. And he's he knows that challenge is happening. His administration is fighting against it. And he goes out there to say, it's passed. I got it passed by a voter too. It's completely made up. I mean, we are really in la-la land and I'm getting really concerned. Like if it hadn't bounced around the, you know, let's get Trump out of there with the 25th amendment. I think you'd be hearing more about that. Yeah. Listen, the one thing I would disagree

that you said is you said he knows that challenge is out there. I'm not convinced he knows that. I'm not convinced he has any awareness of it at all. I think they really do hide him. And as you know, I do a podcast every week, actually three times a week called Verdict with Ted Cruz. You and I are now doing the same business. And we've been, it was the number one ranked podcast in the world. And we've done some deep dives into this issue, both on the policy issue, but also on the legal issue. So the Biden administration's justification for this, they issued an opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel, which is an office in the Department of Justice that gives binding opinions for within the executive branch. And the claimed basis for

the authority to forgive upwards of a trillion dollars in student loans was a bill that Congress passed right after 9-11 called the Heroes Act, which gave the Secretary of Education limited authority to forgive student debts for soldiers and sailors and airmen and Marines and their family. So for people who stepped up and said, I'm going to fight against terrorists trying to kill Americans, Congress said, okay, we're going to give some relief to student loans in response to that. What the Biden DOJ said is, well, that statute authorizes Biden to give it away to everyone. And I got to say, as someone who has practiced law for a lot of years, who's argued

in front of the Supreme Court, that statutory case, I literally, I read the DOJ opinion. I laughed out loud reading it. It is so shoddy. You're a lawyer. It's not remotely persuasive. Now, I will throw a caveat. There is a real chance the courts will not strike this down. It has nothing to do with the merits. It has to do with standing. If the Supreme Court gets to the merits, I think 6-3, the court will strike this down. But the problem is, in order for the court to consider the merits, you have to find a plaintiff who has standing, which means that plaintiff was directly injured by the decision. And I talked about at length on the Verdict podcast what the challenges are on standing. And it's not clear if the plaintiffs will succeed in getting a court to answer the

question. I hope that's why that's why the federal district court struck down this challenge, as I understand it. But then it was appealed to the circuit and they said, OK, we realize that that the district court threw this case out, thus frustrating the five states who are saying this was wrong. But we're going to stay that order while we take a look at it. So it's a temporary hold. We'll see who prevails because of the standing age. All right, I have two quick things I want to ask you about before I let you go. And we have to get both of them in. One is what's going on with the Supreme Court leaker? But the second is, so I'll start in reverse order. We got to get to leaker though. So quick answer on this one.

Why is Raphael Warnock campaigning on you, on his relationship with you? Here's just 20 seconds of his ad mentioning you. Things work surprisingly well together. Pizza with pineapple. French fry and frost. Raphael Warnock and Ted Cruz? That's right. Raphael Warnock partnered with Republican Ted Cruz to extend I-14, connecting military communities in Texas and Georgia,

which will help create jobs from Columbus to Macon to Augusta. I'm Raphael Warnock, and I'll work with anyone if it means helping Georgia. Yeah, look, you're the pineapple. You little pizza-pineapple combo. You know, look, I'm a Cuban-Irish-Italian man. I can be pineapple on pizza. That works. Maybe a jalapeno, throw that on there too.

Jill Biden would call you the little taco. He would indeed. By the way, there are six Latinas who are Republican nominees for the House who I'm supporting who dubbed themselves the spicy tacos. And I think they've all got a good shot at winning. Listen, Warnock, I understand he's trying to find a way to get elected in Georgia. It's true. He and I worked together on this bill. The bill was the Cruz Warnock bill. And we got it passed unanimously. Actually,

it was in the middle of the infrastructure bill. I stood up and spoke for it. He stood up and spoke for it. And then Tom Carper, the senator from Delaware, stood up and said, you know, if Cruz and Warnock are both for it, we ought to all pass it unanimously. And the Senate literally broke into applause and we passed it. And it was good for jobs in Texas and all the way to Georgia. At the end of the day, that's not going to get Warnock reelected. The reality is Warnock's voting record is wildly out of step with the people of Georgia. And I think in November, Georgia is going to elect a Republican. They're going to elect Herschel Walker. I understand why Warnock's trying to find a basis to campaign on. But the rest of his record, I think, is really extreme for the people of Georgia.

That's fun. It's fun to see. Most Democrats are like Ted Cruz. So I tip my hat to him for at least showing that he's willing to work across the aisle. So, you know, Megan, it's actually funny. Three different Democrats running for president in 2020, Cory Booker, Amy Klobuchar and Kirsten Gillibrand, all on the campaign trail use the same joke. They'd say, heck, I work with anyone. I even work with Ted Cruz because I've worked with all three of them. And it's a good laugh line in Democratic presidential primary. It's a good laugh line. But neither of them went all the way either. They're just making you an even bigger star. Okay. Supreme Court leaker. We talked about

it at length when it happened. What's going on? I don't know. They haven't reported anything. They haven't announced anything. I think they need to bring in federal law enforcement. They need forensics. We need to find this leaker and this leaker needs to be prosecuted. And I'm really disappointed the court has not gotten to the bottom of it yet. They need to. I know. Is there any chance you believe at any level that they know and they just haven't told us? I hope not. I will say this goes right to the core of the integrity of the court. It's one of the things I talk about in the book, Justice Corrupted, how I was like in two centuries of our nation's history, this has never happened. And it's Clarence Thomas analogized it to he said it was like an infidelity

in a marriage. There's just no coming back from from the destruction of trust. And I think it is very important that whoever did this be prosecuted, be disbarred and spend real time behind bars. Yes. A Supreme Court justice had somebody show up near his house ready to assassinate him. Yes. There have to be consequences. They cannot let it slide. They cannot keep it private and they cannot let it go unsolved because the Supreme Court marshal wasn't able to get to the bottom of it. Stole the last word. Senator Cruz, always a pleasure. Justice corrupted. I love it. Good luck with it.

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