The Megyn Kelly Show - Campus Antisemitism Chaos, Trump Trial Kicks Off, and Biden's Anti-Woman Title IX Rules, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 772

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Megyn Kelly is joined by Emily Jashinsky, host of "The Federalist Radio Hour," and Eliana Johnson, editor of the Washington Free Beacon, to discuss former National Enquirer head David Pecker taking the stand as the first witness in the Trump Trial, what was said in the opening statements by prosecution and defense, the absurd accusations of election interference, claims that Trump is passing gas in court, the ridiculous media coverage of the trial, antisemitic demonstrations on Columbia University's campus, protests crossing from civil disobedience to harassment and violence, Ilhan Omar’s daughter speaking to MSNBC about her suspension from Barnard College over anti-Israel protesting, her splashy profile in Teen Vogue, the Biden Administration's new Title IX rules that will hurt biological girls and women, biological men in women's bathrooms at schools now national policy in America, and more. Jashinsky- https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/federalist-radio-hour/id983782306Johnson- https://freebeacon.com/ollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Former President Donald Trump is back in court today. This is it. Opening statements and potentially our first witness. An abbreviated day though so far so far, because one of the jurors had a toothache. So court is expected to adjourn early today so that the person can get to the dentist. I mean, we've all been there. It's tough to function in the face of an aching tooth. But we've got opening statements underway right now. And of course, the media is back. They're back to their bizarre reporting about their favorite target, including one report about alleged flatulence in the court.

Objection, Your Honor. Objection, flatulence. Just when you think it can't get any stranger or stinkier, apparently it does. Meanwhile, elsewhere in New York City, oh my gosh, have you been following what's been happening at Columbia and Yale? Don't send your child there. My God, especially if you're Jewish. I mean, if you happen to worry about like your child's safety and he happens to be Jewish, Columbia University is not the place for you. It's now in campus, in chaos on campus, as anti-Jewish protesters are literally attacking students. Even the Biden administration is condemning it, finally, through a spokesperson, not through Joe Biden. While many in the press try to pretend

it's really just not happening, it's not a thing, don't worry, look over there, nothing to see here. Joining me now, the EJs, Emily Jashinsky, who is culture editor at The Federalist and host at The Federalist Radio Hour, and Eliana Johnson, who's editor-in-chief at the Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the Ink Stained Wretches podcast. Ladies, welcome back. All right, let's kick it off with Trump because that's happening right now, though there's plenty to get to on these campuses and beyond. Here's the update. They started off the morning ruling on, it's called a Sandoval hearing in New York state. It's a special thing in New York where the judge and the lawyers sit down and they go over

what the prosecution will be allowed to confront the defendant with if he takes the stand so that the defense knows exactly how bad it's going to get in terms of his past bad acts. And they can hash it out, prosecution and defense attorneys, before the prosecutor tries it. And basically everything is in except for Trump's cheating on a math test back in the fourth grade. It's basically a total green light for every alleged bad act in Trump's past. He can be confronted by the ruling against him in the civil fraud case brought by Letitia James, the $474 million judgment. He can be confronted with the findings of his gag order violations in his civil fraud case, not just this case, in the civil fraud case. He can be confronted with two federal juries' findings that he defamed E. Jean Carroll, not the sexual abuse liability, but the defamation liability.

Good luck to the Trump team in trying to explain or whatever team's going to be charged with this, what he defamed her about. How are they going to get in that he defamed her without getting into the underlying allegation? She said he sexually abused her. He said she's a lunatic. And then she sued him for defamation and won on both. So I think this is a little too cute by half. It's a way of getting both in, but trying to seem fair because he excluded sexual abuse finding. Trump can also be confronted with his agreement to dissolve the Trump Foundation. The judge said he will allow prosecutors to introduce Donald Trump's infamous Access Hollywood tape into evidence, not the tape itself, but the transcript

so they can get grab them by the P word in there. I mean, so basically Trump can't testify is the first effective ruling of the day because Emily, all he's going to be doing is trying to prove to the jury. I'm not a bad person. There's a reason in the law we exclude character evidence as a rule because you're not trying somebody on whether they're a good person or a bad person. OJ Simpson seemed like a perfectly nice person when he sat there to be tried for nearly beheading his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. The trial wasn't actually about that. It was about whether there was proof beyond a reasonable doubt about whether he committed this crime. Your character doesn't say whether you did it or didn't. Here in New York, we're going to allow a trial in Donald Trump's character.

And he's been in business so long and has been such a colorful character for long enough that he really can't effectively allow that to happen, which means he can't take the stand. But what do you think? Yeah, I mean, I agree with that completely. It just also seems like such a great use of everyone's time just going through the annals of Donald Trump's various expressions of his own personal character. I think that will serve the public very well at this point. He has been so shy to reveal his true self up until now, but maybe, maybe finally they will get to the bottom of it here. I'm also wondering how real this toothache is because I would honestly,

if I were sitting in this, it's probably, you know, spontaneously have a toothache as well, but you know, I agree with exactly what you're saying here. And I think also it's important to remember that this is clearly a tactic. Liz Cheney has an op-ed in the New York Times opinion page today talking about how important this trial is. And you're starting to see, I think it was Pramila Jayapal said on a Sunday show just yesterday, something to extent as, you know, we wouldn't have even been here if Donald Trump had just been impeached. So what's also on trial, I think, are the tactics of the left here.

And the more that we're sort of putting Donald Trump's character on trial after, you know, everybody has had years and years and years to listen to a trial of Donald Trump's character, the left is going to lose in that sort of court of public opinion ruling. This just in, Pecker's up. Sorry, had to do it. That was like a New York Post headline. Had to do it. Is it New York Post? I missed that this morning. I got it from Steve Krakauer. No, I'm saying you should write the New York Post headline. Oh, yeah, no, Steve Krakauer should do it. Pecker's up. He's on the stand. David Pecker, I think now former head of AEI or not AEI, AMI, American Media, which is very, very different. After Trump got all those negative rulings on what can come in if he if he takes a stand, they did opening statements.

And now the first witness for the prosecution is David Pecker. There's a lot to go over here before we get to Pecker, because I know you ladies love Pecker. What? I can't I can't stop myself. I don't know. That one was me. Okay. The prosecutor, I'm going to give you guys and the audience just an overview of what's being said in opening statements. Just keep in mind, as you listen to this, there's a reason they call them opening statements. And then they call what happens at the end, closing arguments. You're allowed to argue the evidence in your closing.

Opening statements are supposed to be just statements of what you will be proving in front of them without tying, you know, fantastic conclusions together and stitching a narrative and so on. The opening statements are supposed to be factual and not argument. So this is what the prosecution says they are going to be able to prove. Prosecutor Matthew Colangelo. He begins by telling the jury that Trump and just for the listening audience, there's no audio, there's no video. So this is the only way we can get through this trial. We get updates from the court and then we have to

read them to you. That's why I did a dramatic reenactment of the press coverage the other day. Begins by telling the jury Trump lied over and over and over again by disguising his business records. Trump, Michael Cohen, and David Pecker formed a conspiracy at a meeting early in the campaign to help Trump get elected. Colangelo has referred multiple times to this conspiracy between these three men. For the record, Trump is not, he is not charged with conspiracy. It's just a colorful term to describe. They met and reached an agreement about what the National Enquirer and other magazines within the AMI empire would do when it came to Trump. The New York Times reports, let's see. Okay. They're talking about how the National Enquirer did indeed go on to try to help Trump's campaign in 2016,

including by embarrassing some of his opponents like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. They put up a couple of the headlines, reports the New York Times, Jonah Bromwich, I see one juror smiling slightly, as Colangelo describes some of those headlines. Remember, they accused Ted Cruz of his father of participating in the Kennedy assassination. It was a long list. Okay. They say, the prosecution, Pecker, will testify that $150,000 was more than the National Enquirer would typically pay for such a deal and that Pecker had trouble being reimbursed for the money. Crucially, Colangelo says Pecker will testify that he spoke to Trump about it. Forgive me for not understanding the math on the 150. Stormy, I think, was paid 130. I think they paid 30 to a doorman at Trump Tower.

And then there was another, it might've been 150, to Karen McDougal, who was the playboy playmate. So, you know, what's that? 330 or so all in. Now, critically, they say that David Pecker is going to testify. He spoke to Trump about this. So he's going to put it first person. You know, I can tell you Trump was in on it because this is all the alleged election interference that they claim Trump was up to. Give me a couple of other, give me one more minute to lay this out. He says he has an audio recording, the prosecution does, regarding Cohen, Michael Cohen, that Cohen made between himself and Mr. Trump discussing the Karen McDougal deal. She was the playboy playmate of the year in 98, with whom Trump allegedly had an extramarital

affair. The National Enquirer paid her off to write, quote, health columns for the National Enquirer. She never wrote any. This was really a payment, they say, to keep her quiet instead of going public with their affair. Ultimately, the National Enquirer assigned a reporter to write the articles and put her name on them. OK, jurors will hear Trump, the prosecution promises in his own voice, urging that this money, the 150,000 bucks be repaid in cash. I'm not sure I understand what that means. Be repaid in cash to whom the national inquirer is paying her the one 50. And I know that the Michael Cohen payment to Stormy was out of a Michael Cohen payment, and then he got repaid, he says, by Trump.

This does not connect Trump to the actual crime, which only relates to a payment to Stormy Daniels. Okay, sorry, it's getting confusing. But anyway, they're saying that this pattern of paying off Karen McDougal suggests a pattern of behavior that prosecutors will urge the jurors to take into account, make assumptions about Trump's involvement in the payment to Daniels based on what he did with McDougal. He also, the prosecutor described a communication from Keith Davidson, the lawyer for Karen McDougal to Dylan Howard. This is the guy actually running the National Enquirer under David Pecker, the owner. As it became clear that Trump was winning the election. This is where Karen McDougal's lawyer says to Dylan Howard, as it became clear was Trump

was winning. What have we done? And then Colangelo says it was election fraud, pure and simple. This is their theory that covering up an affair, like you have some obligation to let your affair partners come out and humiliate you. Otherwise, it's election interference. Okay, so Eliana, if you ever run for office and something bad in your past comes back to haunt you and somebody says, I'm going to tell everybody about how you cheated on some math tests, which we know Eliana Johnson never did, you can't do anything to make them go away. Otherwise,

it's election interfere. You have to sit there and let yourself be embarrassed, whether it's true or not. Otherwise, you could wind up in New York State Supreme. So I'll stop there for now. What do you make of this theory of the case and how it's going so far? I'll stipulate that I am not a lawyer.

However, I am familiar and I've talked to folks who are familiar with the defense, the Trump side's legal strategy here. It's pretty clear to me that the prosecution's goal is to throw the kitchen sink at Trump and make the case that he's a bad, skeezy person. Look, we know all of this stuff. And I think the defense is going to try to focus very narrowly on the crime for which Trump is being prosecuted. And they're going to argue it is not actually illegal to have an affair with someone and then sign an NDA. That is not that is not illegal. People sign NDAs in the course of business all the time. And the challenge, I think, for the prosecution is going to be to prove that Trump personally ordered whoever the person was in the Trump organization, some junior person, and I believe that guy is going to testify to falsify those business

records, that he had control over how the record of this transaction was entered when he got a bill from Michael Cohen, and that therefore Trump personally was responsible for the falsification of that record. So it's a lot more complicated, I think, than the prosecution is presenting it, which is Trump's a bad, skeezy guy and does bad, skeezy things and all that stuff is illegal. But they're clearly trying to paint a larger picture and obscure what I think is like a pretty minor, flimsy and weak case. And there's a reason that Alvin Bragg's predecessor did not bring this case. The defense is going to say that they can't tie any of this to Trump, that apparently he's going to argue that Trump repaid Michael Cohen, that $130,000 check that Cohen cut

to Stormy, that Trump repaid Michael Cohen for legal expenses or legal retainer, I think is how it was listed in his business records, $20. So he's making the argument, ask yourself, would a frugal businessman like Donald Trump, would a man who pinches pennies like that repay a $130,000 debt to the tune of 420,000? That's what the defense got up to say. And they went on to say this follows. President Trump is innocent. President Trump did not commit any crimes. He's doing what any of us would do. They say, um, the story you were just told by the prosecution is simply not true. He says, uh, let's see that money that he gave to Michael Cohen was not a payback. He was president Trump's personal attorney. So they are going to dispute that the monies Trump paid to Cohen were reimbursement for whatever was paid to Stormy. And they're going to be relying on

Michael Cohen's testimony that there was a deal between Trump and Cohen that Trump would use $130,000 to pay off Stormy and he would do it through Cohen. That's how they tie it around Trump. He says in closing, well, in closing to this particular piece, I have a spoiler alert. There's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. It's called democracy. I mean, I like that. It's true. That's what they do. They do all day long. They try to get elected. The point is, though, if he paid money to get himself elected and he didn't document it as a campaign this show, it's not a campaign finance violation unless the only reason one would ever pay it is to advance one's political interests. If it has a dual purpose like that, plus I'd love it if Melania didn't know or that, plus I really don't want to be embarrassed with the public knowing I slept with Stormy Daniels. Then it's not a campaign finance expense, which is undoubtedly why the feds also refused to bring this case.

Despite being very eager to bring a case. Yeah, I think that's important. The absolute crux of the case is that it has to be the only reason for the payment. And if they had classified it actually as a campaign expense, who knows what legal routes the left would have pursued to challenge that actually. So that's another interesting question. That's so true. I mean, there's an argument that there's nothing that he could have done in order to prevent his wife. Again, this is the hypothetical. Let's say, you know, concede Donald Trump's argument here. Let's just, if you give him the most charitable version of this, it never happened. And he just didn't want Melania to have to deal with the pain,

which is certainly legally an argument that he can make because nobody's in his head. And unless they have documentation proving otherwise, that this was only the specific reason that this happened was just for one thing, the campaign only. Now, that may be the case, but can they actually prove that it was the only, only reason? That's highly unlikely. And it feels silly to even bring the questions about Michael Cohen as a witness into this because it's the case. I mean, you have to go through so many layers of ridiculousness just to get to how the jury is going to look at Michael Cohen. But that is another legitimate question.

It's one that the Trump defense is obviously going to raise over and over again, the credibility of his testimony. If he is what this is all hinging on, if he's the one who can say that was the only reason for the payment, does it matter to the jury if it's coming from Michael Cohen? I don't know. But yeah, this case is just weak all around. We've known it for a year and it's just going to become increasingly clear as the process goes on. That's so true because the normal way we get into arguments about campaign finance violations is when somebody tries to use campaign money to go buy themselves a suit for a presidential debate instead of their own money because they're cheapskates. And then they get in trouble

because that suit is not something that would only ever be purchased for a debate. It's something that people purchase all the time for various reasons. And the way it was explained to us by this former FEC guy was even if the person can say, yeah, but I never wear suits. I literally only bought it for this debate. It's not going to fly. So they're like, they don't have it. They're trying to turn the hush money that was paid to stormy into something that could could could have multiple purposes. Right. And that they that was actively being used to interfere with the election and only for that reason. I just don't think it's going to fly, at least if the jury comes to understand what the law is. Here's a little bit more from the defense, Eliana. Prosecutors, this is the New York Times, objected multiple times during the defense's

opening statement. That's bad form. You're really not supposed to do that, but unless it's egregious. There were two bench conferences that interrupted the opening. That's also extraordinary. In one, the defense attorney, Todd Blanche, tried to tell the jury that Michael Cohen has perjured himself. The prosecution objected. The objection was sustained. It seems that Blanche, the times goes on, Todd Blanche will not be allowed to accuse Cohen of perjury directly, but he will say that Cohen lied under oath. The legal distinction may matter to some jurors, but the concept is likely more important as the defense team continues its efforts to undermine Cohen. They're not going to

care. The jury's not going to care one bit, whether he lied under oath or whether he lied in a way that it amounted to a legal definition of perjury. He's a liar. He took a stand and lied. That's all they need to hear. Blanche brought up, that's Trump's lawyer, Stormy and Cohen. He calls Stormy biased against Trump. The money she made from the Cohen payoff was pure opportunism on her part. Says she's made a lot of money since this story came out of Michael Cohen. Blanche calls him a criminal. He says Cohen has publicly called Trump a despicable human. He says Michael Cohen, quote, wanted a job in the administration. He didn't get one, offering a motive for Cohen's testimony against Trump.

And he equates the catch and kill scheme involves involving the National Enquirer, alleged by prosecutors to ordinary editorial decisions made by newspapers. I mean, you're the editor in chief of a news publication, Eliana. You don't do catch and kill, but I don't think he's wrong. I don't think he's wrong about that. Like, look at the number of things we see. The Biden administration has gotten killed or massaged in the press over the past three plus years and when he was running as well by a complicit media who's who in return got the hopes of electing him. Maybe they didn't get.

Oh, that's all. I mean, that's all the National Enquirer got to David Pecker didn't get money. He wanted Trump to win. So he buried some stories and promoted others. And that's exactly what the New York Times has done. What NPR has just been out and is doing. Like, how is it so incredibly different? The pecker and catch and kill thing, I think, is super interesting because there I have a couple of questions about it.

The first is you're right. I think that raises questions about pecker and the National Enquirer, which is not known as the most reputable news organization around. But the question is, is it illegal? So Trump had an arrangement with this guy. But was it was there a legal issue with that? And is that what this case is actually about? I don't totally understand how they how that relates to me. I guess my focus and what I've tried to wrap my head around is the NDA Trump struck with Stormy, how it was billed and represented within the Trump organization and whether that was a legitimate or not campaign expense. And our friend Andy McCarthy is the one who has really helped me understand this by talking to him and listening to his podcast, where he distinguished

between, as you were talking about, a campaign expense is polling, is something like that, that literally would not have existed but for the campaign, advertising. As Emily said, there are lots of plausible reasons one could have signed an NDA with Stormy and paid her $130,000 to keep her mouth shut. The campaign is one of them, but there are lots of other reasons too. And then the second is Michael Cohen was Trump's lawyer. An NDA is a legal agreement. This was billed as legal fees. They have to show that the entry in the Trump organization's docket of this agreement, the payment to Cohen as legal fees, was intended to cover up this campaign finance crime.

That's complicated. And I think it's frustrating to say, but it's actually going to hinge on the jury being impartial and fair-minded. And I think that really is the challenge of this trial. And my understanding of how the defense is going into that is that is also the challenge that they see. This is a hostile jury pool. Manhattan had a, you know, like not a friendly jury pool to Trump. And the real challenge of this is like getting the jurors to look at this with fresh eyes and to view Trump, to view this on the merits.

Okay, so to that point, we ran this soundbite last week and I encourage everybody to go back and listen to the whole episode, but we had, uh, Brad Smith, his name was, he was appointed to the FEC under Bill Clinton. All right. He now is a Republican, but he was appointed by a Democrat. He's a fair-minded guy. And he came on, uh, I don't know how long ago it was within the last year or so. And, um, episode five, two, two episode 522, 522, you can go back and listen to the full discussion. Well worth your time and you'll learn. He explained it this way. It's very clear. Listen. Stormy Daniels had the right to blackmail Donald Trump, whether he was running

for office or not. Trump could have paid it whether he was running for office or not. So, you know, people could judge for themselves what they think of the behavior and so on. And that's legitimate things for voters to look at. But in terms of is it a violation of campaign finance law? I just think the answer is no. And I think we wouldn't want it to be yes. That would open up a whole can of worms down the line. Hold on. There's another soundbite that I want to play that we ran the other day that's more explicit. We're trying to find it. We'll get it up in one second because it's, this guy lays it all out very clearly. Now the question is like, this jury is not going to have expert testimony on the law, right? That's an argument you make to the judge when you're crafting your jury instructions, right? Like did, this is where the lawyers go in behind the scene

and say to the judge, this is how the jury should be instructed. I would say the question is, did Trump pay off Stormy Daniels through Michael Cohen? Number one. Okay. If yes, then if yes, was the purpose of paying off Stormy Daniels, um, entirely to get himself elected. If no, then proceed to not liable. If yes, then proceed with asking additional questions. Okay, that's how it works for lawyers. You've got to style it for the jury so that the law, the relevant law is baked in. You don't ask the jury to figure out what the relevant law is. That's the job of the judge and the lawyers. We found the soundbite, Emily. So this argument you're about to hear is the accurate statement of the law. And what they need to do is find a way of getting this into the jury instructions to reflect what we're all talking about here. Let's suppose I decide to

run for Congress and I say, you know, I need to be in a debate and I need a really good suit. So I go out and I spend, you know, $2,000 on a suit, which I would never otherwise do, right? It doesn't make it a campaign expense, even though my purpose was to do it to influence the election. Or suppose I'm an individual and I have a messy divorce in my background and I decide I'm going to run for office and I say to my lawyer, can we seal those records? And I pay my lawyer to try to seal those divorce records, even though I'm doing it for the purpose of influencing a campaign. It's not a campaign expenditure. Because those are things you might do for non-election related purposes, as is paying off a lover whom you allegedly had

had an affair with while your wife was pregnant. That's the allegation here. So I just don't see this judge. I know the judge doesn't like Trump, but you know what judges don't like more than anything else? Getting reversed. And the law is the law. Someone's actually going to have to take a look at these legal standards, which are black and white and easy to understand relatively, and wrestle with this reality at some point. It's one of the reasons why the case never should have been brought, frankly. Yeah. And Brad Smith raised such a good point there about also the potential ramifications for precedent down the road if you do this, because to your point, Meghan, say Donald Trump had classified these payments as campaign expenses, what would have happened then? And what happens if this ruling comes down and says that it was

improperly not classified? What happens to those purchases people make that are intended to influence an election but are not exclusively election related. And I suspect that there's going to be an argument made that Stormy Daniels herself wouldn't have needed to be paid off if Donald Trump had it run for president. Therefore, this is all just about the campaign. But that is also not a good argument because it brings it back to, oh, well, you would never have needed a suit if you hadn't decided to run for president. I mean, it's not a good enough.

No, not at all. I mean, we can be really cynical and look at the jury and say, you know, it comes down on this area that voted 85 percent for Joe Biden over Donald Trump being able to assemble an impartial jury there. I'm pretty cynical about that, honestly. But I know some people on the left are frustrated with Bragg for even bringing this case because they look at the other ones down the road and say, listen, we're talking about a potential hush money payoff to a porn star for Donald Trump, a man who was actually planting stories about himself in the tabloids for years. This is known to the American public long in the tabloids for years. This is known to

the American public long before he decided to run for president. Meanwhile, they're trying to focus on January six cases on documents cases. I mean, it just, it does look extremely silly next to all of that. The media coverage continues to be a joke. Um, no, Brian Stelter just tweeted out a source close to Trump tells at Dana Bash CNN that he what he confessed he is mad at the world right now. What? As he's being confined to a courtroom. What the this is so absurd. Eliana, you would fire somebody who works for you who sent out such a dramatic breaking. Breaking was the headline. He's mad at the world because he's confined. Get a hold of yourself. Trump reportedly struggling to stay

awake and his lawyers yawned. This is from the New York Times. At least two of his lawyers have let out yawns this morning. Poor legal team. You mean they're human? They're normal humans who sometimes in the early morning court hours yawn? What else? Blinking? How's the breathing going? Update to follow. Okay. That brings me to this soundbite. It's from Bob Micellas of The Midas Touch. And this is an interesting update he brought. Hold on a second, because this guy's, he's got some thoughts for you. Okay. He's the co-founder of the show, The Midas Touch. He, let's see, it's a liberal political action committee formed in 2020 to stop Trump from getting reelected. The guy's also a partner at Garagos and Garagos. So he knows our pal Mark well. And he's also business partners with Colin Kaepernick and works across all of Kaepernick's

ventures as well as his nonprofit. So that's the guy you're about to hear, Ben, who's got some thoughts, some hot breaking news that you guys should hear firsthand. Take a listen. And I'm hearing from credible sources who know what's going on in the courtroom. And what I'm hearing is, is that, take it for what it's worth, but that Donald Trump is actually farting in the courtroom and that it's very stinky around him. It's a putrid odor in the courtroom and that Trump's lawyers are like repulsed by the scent and the smell.

I'm hearing it from actual credible people that as he's kind of falling asleep, he is actually passing gas and that his lawyers are really struggling with the smell. I think you'll actually start to hear more of that. I mean, they're hot on the trail of the flatulence. They could see it coming. They sensed it coming from a mile away. And Emily, this is like the breaking news from the courtroom that Trump is allegedly passing gas and his own lawyers can't stand it. Eliana likes it.

As opposed to the lawyers who would be really happy about this situation. This is great happenings in there. Yeah, exactly right. It's like, well, how do we know? Like, how do we know it's Trump? How do we know it wasn't the lawyer sitting next to him? Can you locate the source of the gas? Exactly. I mean, I would ask for a criminal probe on that, Emily. He might get indicted for this next week. Yeah. Well, don't put it past them and don't give them ideas because they're going after this case. So who knows what they will do next? But, you know, saying that he wouldn't be surprised if the media starts talking about this more. I mean, I guess he's probably right

about that because the media is already reporting on the yawns. They're reporting on the nodding. I mean, it's just, of course, though, if they can find a credible way by their low standards to get this into print, they will. They definitely will. Truly, Eliana, they're on the scent. They're on the scent of something big, possible flatulence in the courtroom. I mean, it's weird how like, I don't know, you tell me if Trump was sitting across from E. Jean Carroll and she let one go, do you think the media would be updating and reporting on that? Or is it just Trump gas that makes national headlines? I'm curious. I wonder. No, I actually know the answer. It's just, it's, it's a farce. It's a different kind of FAR. It's a farce. It's a different kind of F.A.R. It's a farce.

Look, I think it goes to the sort of bigger issue here, which is that voters don't really like Trump. They don't really like Biden. And the candidate in the general election that's hurt is the one that's in the headlines and the fact that Trump has these legal cases against him and is sitting in a courtroom, it gives the media a very easy excuse to keep Trump in the headlines every single day. And this is the sort of news that we're going to hear about him. And this is the real reason I think a lot of these trials are damaging for him. It keeps him at the center of the news when the headlines we should really be seeing are Trump out campaigning and prosecuting the case against Biden. And instead, we're hearing about, you know, his odors from the courtroom. Not to mention Biden fails to say anything about the rampant anti-Semitism on college campuses coast to coast that we're not talking about that. We're talking about possible Trump gas,

which again remains unproven. Whoever smelt it, dealt it. That remains the default rule, both in court and out of court. Sorry, Ben, but that's just the way it is. Update from inside the courtroom. David Pecker has left the stand. He has taken the stand and has left the stand. Court is over for the day. He was not cross-examined. It looks like he's going to come back and resume his testimony tomorrow. This was because of the, it was a 1230 appointment for the juror's tooth. So everything remains in abeyance.

And so far, David Pecker talked about how this is basic checkbook journalism, where all the tabloids pay money for stories. Legitimate news organizations that are in the business of actual news, we don't do that. We would never do that. So that's a distinction. But if you're a tabloid, you can do it. And it's, let me tell you something. The, you know, highbrow news organizations are not sin free on this either. I remember we'd watch Good Morning America crush on pictures on a huge story.

I don't know. Let's say it was like Casey Anthony. And we'd be like, my God, how are they getting these? You know how they do it? They pay a licensing fee for the photos. It's all fucking smoke and mirrors. I'm sorry. It's just like, that's disgusting too.

You know what you're doing. You're paying a licensing fee. You're buying, you're buying a story. You know, are you really that much better than the national inquirer? I don't know. I I'll let the viewers decide that. All right. Stand by quick break. And we're going to get into Columbia and Yale and the Biden administration more with the EJs just ahead. Columbia University cancels in-person classes as a new encampment forms on university grounds. And a sign on the perimeter reads, welcome to the People's University of Palestine. Well, I appreciate the honesty. I mean, that's really true. So good for them for finally getting it right. This photo is courtesy of Columbia student author and former Megyn Kelly show intern

Ricky Schlott. Per CNN, this new encampment has around 200 protesters inside of it. It's taking place opposite the lawn where the original encampment took place before police went in on Thursday. So they had already started. Then on Thursday, after the Columbia president testified on Capitol Hill, they went in and tried to disband the whole thing. They removed it because she, under fire, finally authorized them to break this damn thing up. Meanwhile, these Jewish students are trying to go to class and learn past these like, globalize the intifada chants. Okay, sure. NYPD officials held a press conference just a short time ago saying university officials have currently requested the NYPD only patrol the exterior of the campus. But they said if there's a crime in progress, we are going to go in. Over the weekend,

Jewish and Israeli students on and around campus were subjected to chants like, yes, Hamas, we love you. We support your rockets too. Do you believe these turds? Watch this video courtesy of the Israel files. You say justice, you say how. Burn Tel Aviv to the ground. All right, you get that. I can barely read a little worse on my own screen, but it's all anti-Semitic stuff. Time to rebel. Hamas, give them hell. Some said they were told to go back to Poland. This woman here stood in front of the protesters who were holding up Israeli flags. And for the listening audience, she used a cafe, a head scarf to disguise her identity because they're all cowards. You want to be an anti-Semite.

You do you, sweetheart, but be woman enough to show your face. You're disgusting because you know it's wrong and you don't have the guts to just own it. You want to get your job at what? Goldman? Good luck. And you know you can't show your Jew-hating face, so you cover it up while you hold a sign that reads, Qasem's next targets. Al-Qasem is Hamas's armed military wing. Their next targets, American Jews or their supporters holding up Israel flags. She wants them dead. You see, she's not hiding the message. She's just hiding her disgusting face. But you know what? We'll

find out who she is and then companies will be free to hire her or not. That's the great thing about America. They can make their own choices. By Sunday, a rabbi linked with the university, Columbia, sent a message to a group of mostly Orthodox Jewish students that stated, quote, I strongly recommend that you return home and remain home until the reality in around campus has dramatically improved. Back with me now, the EJs. Eliana, I'm so disgusted by these rabid anti-Semites. This is not anywhere near the same as someone saying, I think Israel's gone too far. Too many people have died. I don't like the disproportionate response in my view. That's a legitimate debate we can and should be having. This is something else entirely. These protesters are calling for the elimination of the Jewish state and for the

death of Jews on campus. And you have, as you mentioned, campus rabbis saying that Jews on campus are not safe. And there was a follow-up. I'm not actually totally clear if it was from the same rabbi or a different rabbi saying that Columbia is now offering armed escorts to students who remain on campus. It's not that easy if you live across the country to just jet out of Columbia. Passover begins today. They're offering armed escorts to students to get to and from their seders. So that is what it takes for Jewish students on campus to go about their daily lives. And these students have shut down the school. They can't have classes in person.

And it's interesting. You know, we heard President Shafiq last Wednesday testify before the House Committee on Education and the Workforce saying, I really don't think these people are mostly driven by hate. These are legitimate political disagreements. And it's just a small minority of the students. And I think we're seeing the protesters give lie to that. These are hate-filled chants. And whether it's a small number of them or not, they are showing their ability to exert control over the campus. The solution I think has come to is it's time for expulsion, removal and expulsion of the students so that the school can function. 100 percent. Kick them out. Get out. Get all the way out. If you're not from here, go back home to your whatever country of your Jew hating country, which is probably how you learned

it. I mean, it's amazing to me that they want all the benefits of being at an American university. Some of them aren't even from here. I just want to come over here, bash our country, bash a bunch of Jews, hold up signs, encouraging people to kill Americans on campus. And then, you know, okay. On their merry way. And some of those are Americans too, which is even more disgusting. Um, they're like a cult, Emily, because we cut this one video just to show what's wrong with these people. Like what, what's happening here. Listen to them mindlessly followed this man in the chanting. Like they're, you know, it's like church. This is, it's like church where you chant there. You pray to God here. You're praying to some loser student representative who apparently has zero tolerance for Jewish people. Watch this.

So that we can, maybe it's a woman start to push them start to push them out of the camp one step forward one step forward another step forward we ask that you please respect that you please respect our privacy our privacy and our community guidelines and our community guidelines which you have so far disrespected which you have so far disrespected

and leave our camp and leave our camp. One step forward. One step forward. Oh my God. They all have their little beanies and their masks outside way post-COVID. Emily, you tell me, why is that? Why are why are they masking outside? No, it's a great question. I mean, protesters at least used to have some style. I also I'm curious. They they said this is like the encampment

University of Palestine at Columbia, I feel like they probably can't do their like queer study classes. If that's their Palestine University at Columbia, that might make it a little bit more complicated. Yeah, it raises so many questions. But I mean, I think it's important to support free speech when it's hard, precisely because we are now seeing fully on display how absurd their claims to not be. You know, I'm not saying all of these protesters are anti-Semitic, but clearly some very vocal leaders of these protests are anti-Semitic. So on the one hand, I think it's important to support free speech when it's hard. I think it's also reasonable for schools to have narrow codes of conduct that determine, you know, we're, we're here and we respect inquiry, these temples of inquiry, American universities.

But we do it for the sake of the good. We do it for the sake of learning. We do it for the sake of enlightenment. And so, you know, when you're crossing those very obvious boundaries, camping outdoors, you know, civil disobedience that's crossing into obvious violations, like saying Al-Qassam's next target and pointing towards a Jewish student at Yale, they're playing music that says Israel's going to die. That kind of stuff is so, it's not just the obvious hypocrisy that people like Bill Ackman picked up on after October 7th with Claudine Gay and the other university presidents is also just in some cases so very clearly crossing the line to not being

good faith criticism of Israel and being like blatantly anti-Semitic. And there's just been so far repercussions that totally are disproportionate to how the left would react if there were violations of student conduct from the right, if there were actual legitimate hate speech coming from the right. I mean, I've watched these universities for years say that you can't host a lecture by a conservative speaker because of the security concerns. You can just camp outside and say Al-Qassam's next target and play music that says Israel's going to die. Come on. And then some Jewish student is going to have to go into class and sit next to that lunatic.

I mean, it really is one of those things with thought experiment. Like imagine if this were a bunch of, of anti-black protesters out there with a sign in front of the few black people who nerved the angry mob to come out with, you know, American flags. And then one of these white supremacists goes over and stands in front of them with a sign that reads the KKK's next targets. Imagine what would happen. They would not be keeping the police off campus. They would not be letting the students go back to their dorms and eventually resume classes and sit next to the black students. They would be expelled like that because there are behavioral codes on college campuses that include anti-bullying and anti-harassment. And that's because there are federal civil rights

laws that ensure that these students should not be subjected to that while they're on campus. We're not talking about snowflakes, hurt feelings after some mild comment. They're threatening and calling for the death of the Jews. It's a problem. I got to take a quick break. Eliana, I give it to you when we come back. We'll pick it up right there. Eliana, I'd love to get you to weigh in, but I do want to point out it's not just Columbia. Over in Yale, it's alarming too. In the video we're going to show you here, Yale students formed a human chain to block a Jewish student from entering the university. I can't believe this is happening in America. All right. So it looks to me like a conservative Jewish person. Um, he's obviously openly Jewish and they're not letting him pass. The mob follows him. He moves left. They move

left. He moves right. They move right. As a, as a swarm and they're not letting him pass. The mob follows him. He moves left. They move left. He moves right. They move right as a as a swarm. And they're not letting him. This is America. This is this cannot happen at Yale University. Didn't you go there early on? I'm a 2006 graduate and the Beacon also had a reporter up there covering the events as they transpired on Friday and Saturday, where just much like at Columbia, the students were camped out in tents on a university plaza. And it is noteworthy that these events took place at a World War II memorial to Yale students who served in the wars and tore down an American flag and cheered as it was brought to the ground at that memorial. We actually have that. Here's a bit of it. SOT 7.

Viva Viva Palestina! Tearing down the American flag. That's what they're cheering at, folks. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But that weird, like it's like a part of the call to prayer, that sound I've heard it in too many terror videos. It still brings a chill when I hear it, it's alarming. And to see it, to hear it yelled when an American flag falls on one of our most prestigious, or at least used to be, university campuses, Eliana, brings up something like vile. I mean, it just, I recoil. I can't believe this is not free speech. This is not about free speech.

These people are calling for the death of Jews. They're tearing down American flags on American university colleges. And we're just sitting back saying, you Jews, go ahead, Eliana. Sure, you'd feel perfectly comfortable going to class and crossing their little picket line as the mob swarms in front of you, tearing down a flag, our flag, to say, no, try it. We dare you. Yeah, at a memorial for young men who went and fought and died fighting the Nazis. It's insane. And it's noteworthy that administrators issued warnings on Saturday but did nothing. And at late Saturday evening, a young Jewish student, a young woman was sent to the hospital when one of these protesters poked her in the eye

with a Palestinian flag. And this morning, the police were called in to start arresting people. It must be Yale University's president, Peter Salovey, announced a year ago that this would be his last year. They are looking for a new president. And so I think that has motivated him to take a more hands-off approach. This is not his problem. It's the next person's problem. However, he must be watching what is taking place on the Columbia University campus and thought, I've got to start clearing this out. But if these guys don't know already that their response to this is not to issue warnings and stand by as people start to get hurt as private property, private university property is desecrated, rules are broken,

university entrances and exits are blocked from students. You know, warnings are not enough. Time to start calling in the cops. I listened to a recording that we were not authorized to share that a student took of her call to the Yale University Police Department where the police officers told told her, we are concerned. We have not been authorized by the university to do anything yet. That obviously changed overnight. But 48 hours this went on. Students were hurt. Property was desecrated. People were not allowed to pass freely through campus. Enough is enough.

You know, you don't have a right to attend Yale University. Time to, you know, students to be expelled. Yeah, honestly, I would expel them and I would do whatever I had to do to get them off campus, whether it's cops, National Guard. We have to get dramatic. This cannot be allowed. This is not about free speech. You know where you can go have perfect free speech rights out in the town square. Emily, you know, you mentioned it earlier. Free speech is important. Yes, no one's saying they're not allowed to scream this hateful shit. That is the glory of being an American. You can scream hateful shit unless it amounts to incitement.

But you have limited free speech rights when it comes to the center of the campus square. And this has gone beyond that menacing that they're doing to the Jewish student that we just showed there. That's illegal. You can't do that. That is not okay wherever you are. And it's totally not okay on a college campus. I don't like when, and no, you weren't doing this, but when people try to reduce this kind of behavior to free speech, it's bullshit. That's not what this is. So we need to be really clear on acceptable behaviors. And all you need to do is picture a bunch of whites doing this to a black student about 40 years ago and ask yourself whether you defend it. A reporter got kind of trolled on Twitter over the weekend.

I want to say she was from the New York Times or the Washington Post for saying she was there and what she saw at Columbia was, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of that crazy. Karen Atiyah. She's the one blocked me, she, I used to follow her and then she cheered. This is what resistance looks like after a bunch of Israel babies and women and children were murdered. And I was like, okay, it's over between the two of us, but she's out there. So she's a Washington post columnist who is out there. Hold on. I pulled it. Oh, here it is. Okay. Just to add to what you're saying, and then I'll give you back the floor. I teach my last class of the

semester at Columbia this coming week. God help them. That explains a lot. And the university has made this situation into a war zone. Well, so far we agree, but we disagree on how it's by them permitting these protests in the first place. No, she says most of the people posting about Columbia have not stepped foot on campus and have no idea what's going on. As I said, the demonstrations I saw last week were comprised of students of all faiths and backgrounds. Columbia escalated the situation by calling an armed police. The ones I saw Hitler Hitler's always been very nice to me, Emily. All I saw was a perfect gentleman who was a very talented public speaker.

That's what she's doing here. I didn't see any problems. Oh, then none must have existed, Karen. Well, it's insane to put the burden just on the university for the actions of the students. I mean, I agree. I think we all agree the university is doing too little. So yes, she's right on that point. I guess she wants the university to do too much, but like some of this is the university's fault, but you're seeing so little of people holding, people who are organizing these protests, people who are, you know, peacefully participating in legitimate civil disobedience, they are not being asked to take control of the situation. Because to the extent that Karen Atiyah is allowed to teach whatever nonsense she's teaching

in that class, clearly Columbia University is letting people make these arguments, these ridiculous arguments that Hamas is the resistance, something Judith Butler has said before as well. Clearly, those arguments are happening just fine. In fact, they're being facilitated and encouraged by these universities. And, you know, I think those arguments are ridiculous and wrong, but universities are obviously teaching them. But nobody is saying to the students that are organizing these protests, the burden is on you to reel back the violence, the calls for Israel to die, the people holding signs that say Al-Qassam's next target pointing at Jewish students. If you organize a protest, you should be held to account

when things get out of control. How many times have we heard this exact same argument made about people on January 6th, you know, where they point the finger at Donald Trump, even though he said, go protest peacefully. And I think to some extent that's reasonable. But it's the same thing. But there's nothing in this case. Nobody's saying, hey, those students that are organizing this, they really need to step up and tell those other people to cut it out because they don't, in some cases, want those people to cut it out. No, God, they're leading them. I mean, it's like I think, like, I think we could all agree if they were having a protest on campus or even a sit-in, if it weren't, you know, incredibly disruptive and, you know, that's really the test disruption under Supreme court precedent. But if they were having a protest

and chanting something like Israel's committing genocide, okay. I that's an opinion. Many people have it. That isn't OK. But threats, threats against Jewish students are not OK on a college campus. That's just crossing a line that they would never allow anyone else to cross. And it's insane that these Jewish families now have to worry about these schools at which they spend almost $70,000 a year in tuition. I think it is 67,000, I think for a Columbia now at last check, I've got to talk to you about Ilhan Omar's daughter, Eliana, because she's made herself a public face of these protests. You're shocked, shocked. I know. And she's at Barnard, which is right next to Columbia and is participating in this sit-in, this nonstop off again, on again, I guess it is a more accurate term, but pernicious sit-in. And she, along with the other students who are not complying with the police directives and so on,

um, came out, got the full Vogue. Is it Teen Vogue treatment? It's always Teen Vogue. It's always Teen Vogue. And look, here she is. She's such a hero. The headline, Isra Hirsi, Ilhan Omar's daughter on Colombia arrests, Barnard suspension, Palestine protests. The subtitle is the longtime social justice activist and Barnard Jr. 21 talks to Teen Vogue about the 48 hours following Columbia University's decision to send NYPD into a campus Palestine solidarity encampment. That's not exactly how it went down. But she decides to paint her time there as like she was basically just kicked out of the last homeless shelter in New York with no food and no roof over her head and says as follows. We were reading our email and it said we had 15 minutes to go get our shit

if we wanted it. And we'd have to go with a public safety escort. I was like, I'm not going to do that. But I was a little frantic, like, where am I going to sleep? Where am I going to go? And also all of my shit is thrown into a random lot. It's pretty horrible. I don't know when I can go home and I don't know if I ever will be able to. I mean, could you spare me? You're like, I've only got crocodile tears for this person who was out there leading all this shit. And then to double down, she goes, of course, on MSNBC and listen to this. Now I want the audience to pay particular attention to something we discussed last week, which is her reference to the alleged chemical weapons that she claims were deployed against her. We know the truth, thanks to the Free Beacon, Eliana's publication. Listen.

Do you feel that you are being targeted because of the fact that it is in solidarity with Palestinians and against what Israel is doing to Palestinians? Oh, this is 100 percent targeted. Every single protest that we have, there's a group of counter protesters that bring all of their items, their flags and things like that. And they're not seen as having un-sanctioned protests or really receive the kind of disciplinary warnings that many of our fellow organizers receive just for being seen at these protests. And so there is definitely some hypocrisy here, especially—you can kind of see it with the students that were—that were—sprayed us with the chemical weapons and the fact that there is no public information as to what happened to them, but rather the university

is actively discussing what is happening to the students here and making it a whole public spectacle rather than— when we haven't done anything to physically harm students, whereas those that sprayed those chemical weapons physically harmed students. Care to comment on that, Eliana? Let's just start with the facts. The chemical weapon in question was a fart spray purchased on on Amazon for twenty six dollars called liquid ass. OK, and I really have that New York State Supreme in the trial, too. Yeah. And she says

nothing happened to these students. These students who sprayed that were suspended, which is why they are now suing Columbia University for accusing them of spraying a chemical weapon. They were suspended immediately. Columbia President Manu Shafiq testified before the Columbia University Senate and said that these students had used chemical weapons. These students were former IDF soldiers and then came to Columbia. So she spread this misinformation. And the fact that this was not any kind of chemical weapon, but in fact, this harmless fart spray purchased off Amazon surfaced in their lawsuit where they are litigating their suspension. So what she said that we can't protest, but they can and nothing happens to them is total and utter bullshit. She's on MSNBC and got a spread in

Teen Vogue. They got suspended and she got a slot in MSNBC. Our protests appear to violate the policies. Either the protests violate the policies or they do not. Her protests, her behavior violated the university policy. Beyond that, her mother, let's, you know, apple doesn't fall far from the tree, was questioning the Columbia University president weighing in on behalf of the protesters and never disclosed to the American public that her daughter is one of the protesters who's going to suffer the consequences. One would think, at least in the interest of propriety, that Representative Omar would say, you know, my daughter's on the campus and she's one of these agitators. No, no, no. She didn't say

a word about that. But in the interest, Omar was actually the one who got Columbia President Shafiq to say there are no anti-Jewish protests that I've seen and allowed. Was she? She did. Right. She was the one who asked the question. Have there been anti-Muslim protests? Shafiq said no. She said, have there been anti-Jewish protests? Shafiq said no. And then Elise Stefanik stepped in and said, I'm sorry, you testified that there had been no anti-Jewish protests. Would you consider death to Zionists? Is that anti-Jewish? And Shafiq had to backpedal and say, oh, actually, death to Jews. They weren't labeled anti-Jewish, like when the notice that they were happening went out, they just, you know,

evolved in that, they just evolved in that direction. And then her three co-panelists, the chairman of the board of trustees, Jay Carney's wife, Claire Shipman, and David Skyser, Shizer, whatever his name is. They all said they all contradicted. Aaron said, of course, there have been anti-Jewish protests on this campus. So anyhow, you know, she what she said is a total and utter lie. I think we're being too hard on Ilhan Omar's daughter, who, let's face it, for a brief period of time, her uncle became her stepdad when her mom married her brother. So it's, you know, that kind of stuff can cause lasting damage, which can manifest itself in a number of ways, Emily. I'll tell you why the campus cops are not throwing

the Israeli protesters off campus. It's pretty clear. It's depicted, for example, in this soundbite from Columbia with the Jewish students sought for. They're singing, they're waving American flags and Israeli flags. For some day it will all turn around because all my life I'm praying for. They're waving American flags and Israeli flags. The flag we know will fight no more. They'll be no more. They're not covering their face. No face is covered.

This is why they don't get bothered, Emily. They're not doing anything. And I realize Israel right now is in the midst of a bombing campaign against a group that attacked it viciously on 10-7, which is controversial. But these students are getting protested. These Americans are getting harassed. That's where we enter. Well, this show isn't a big foreign policy show. This is probably not where you come if you want daily, you know, 501 foreign policy updates. But we get into it

when it crosses over into what's happening to us, right, to Americans. And this war is a great example of that. We're not doing daily updates on this bombing campaign or that bombing campaign. There are shows for that. But this you target Americans for their beliefs or just because they happen to be Jewish and all Americans should be standing up against you, that you're not allowed in the United States to do this to a group on a college campus. Well, and I think our standards for our campuses have just slipped and slipped to the point where we're almost numb. But, you know, to watch this happen, yeah, again, that like temples of inquiry, like the American university

system used to be the pride of the country, used to be the envy of the world. And what we see now, again, people, they burn American flags, they take American flags down. Some of this is protective speech, et cetera, et cetera. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people saying death to Jews. We're talking about people saying Al-Qassam's next target. We're talking about, in some cases, some very obvious incitement, violence, and stuff that goes well beyond what our colleges, why they enshrined free speech, free expression, and free inquiry into their missions. And that is for the purpose of bettering our society. What we are seeing is not bettering our society. And if you are going to practice civil disobedience, and if you are going to practice

completely non-civil disobedience, and then go on MSNBC and cry about the consequences for you, which so far appear to be like maybe losing some stuff you were camping with, but also getting an MSNBC slot, a spread in Teen Vogue, all kinds of plaudits from the media, then you've completely lost the plot here. Universities are so deeply, they're now so deeply run by an ideology that is utterly incoherent, although it's coherent when it's convenient for people who believe in that sort of oppressed-oppressed dichotomy. When that's convenient to them, it's all that they can cling

to. And that's why they struggle so much, just like Claudine Gay did in front of Congress so many months ago. So the same thing happened just last week. They struggle so much with this because they can't fundamentally cop to the logical conclusion of their belief system. And that is where they're hitting the brick wall. And it's why they're not capable of treating people equally when it comes to cracking down on protests, when it comes to cracking down on speech. That's why. It's because they're held hostage to this completely incoherent ideology.

I would love to see, like if Ron DeSantis were president right now, I would love to see what he would do. I just feel like it would be a post Brown versus Board of Education moment. He would say not one Jewish student will be prevented from going to class. Not one Jewish professor will be intimidated on his way into the university. No. And I don't care what it takes. And I don't give a shit if you don't like national guardsmen here, or if you have a problem with the large police presence, too bad, too bad. You brought it on yourselves. It's not just over here. As I watched this video from London, Eliana, all I could think was, thank God we divorced them. Thank God we divorced England. But then you look back here and you're

like, well, we're actually not doing so well ourselves. But this is outrageous. Look what the London police did and said to a Jewish man who showed up at a pro-Palestine protest. Sot 9. You are quite openly Jewish. This is a pro-Palestinian bar. I'm not abusing you of anything, but I'm worried about the reaction. Okay. So your, your presence is antagonizing them because you're quite obviously Jewish. Now they've tried to dial that back because there was such outrage. And so first, the London Metropolitan Police Service apologized for the language of that officer, but said, look, counter demonstrators have to be aware that, quote, their presence is provocative. You know, those damn Jews, they just keep showing up and like wanting to cross the sidewalk. It's very annoying. And then the Metropolitan

Police Service later deleted that apology and issued a second one that simply reads, in an effort to make a point about the policing of protest, we caused further offense. That was never our intention. We have removed that statement and we apologize. Being Jewish is not a provocation okay you finally got there but what a disgrace i feel very provoked by eliana right now you know it's a disgrace and and to your point megan i do actually think that the situation in europe is worse than the one that we've seen in the united states and in many ways what we're seeing on these college campuses it is a warning sign that if we don't nip this in the bud that we've seen in the United States. And in many ways, what we're seeing on these college campuses, it is a warning sign that if we don't nip this in the bud and we don't, that these university administrators don't lay down the law about what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

Next, it will be our workplaces and many other places in this country. We've seen that, like, we've seen the ideology already. In fact, it came into our newsroom. It came into the workplaces. Next will be these sorts of protests. We will have tent, you know, tent campouts in our offices and city streets. And like this stuff doesn't stop. It is not contained on college campuses. The Europe stuff is a real warning for what could happen in this country. I'm like, I feel like we're we're months away from Stars of David. I know we've seen some of that spray painting, but like some identifier or like what the Christians now are going to have like a cross like, don't get me, you know, crisis king. It's just we're getting we're on a dangerous pier right now and we need to not jump.

We need to not jump. We need to pull it back, get back together and stop the nonsense. And there are certain core principles we can all agree on, which is civilized debate and safety, not the fake kind. Again, like I, you know, our best and brightest, or at least some of them, are just trying to get an education. I've got to ask about Joe Biden. Emily, this was Joe Biden in his campaign ad when he was running for president on Charlottesville and Trump. It was there on August of 2017 we saw Klansmen and white supremacists and neo-Nazis come out in the open. Their crazed faces, illuminated by torches, veins bulging and bearing the fangs of racism. Chanting the same anti-Semitic bile heard across Europe in the 30s.

And that's when we heard the words of the President of the United States that stunned the world and shocked the conscience of this nation. He said there were, quote, some very fine people on both sides. Very fine people on both sides? With those words, the President of the United States assigned a moral equivalence between those spreading hate and those with the courage to stand against it. And in that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I had ever seen in my lifetime. We can't forget what happened in Charlottesville. You get the picture.

Okay. Can't forget what happened in Charlottesville. The horrible anti-Semitism that we saw on camera. That wasn't the only time he he's remarked on it with his face, with his voice. Now that he's president and we see death to the Jews and Al-Qassam's next victims right here and death to America and pulling down the American flag. What do we get? We get a spokesperson from the White House saying, the ancient story of persecution against Jews in the Haggadah, which is the book they read during Passover, also reminds us that we must speak out against

the alarming surge of anti-Semitism in our schools, communities, and online. Silence is complicity. Even in recent days, we've seen harassment and calls for violence against Jews. This blatant anti-Semitism is reprehensible and dangerous, and it has absolutely no place on college campuses or anywhere in our country. Now, if you could just put him in front of a camera, stick that in the teleprompter and let him deliver it with any sort of vigor, anything, I'll take what we saw in 2020. It could be a W, but it's not because the spokesperson put this together, understanding they had to do something. And there's no heart in it because Joe Biden probably doesn't even know it was issued. What do you think? Yeah. And let's say he does that a couple of days from now.

I mean, it's already way too late. The campuses have spiraled completely out of control. It's just a complete absence of leadership. And, you know, leadership, not even just in a policy sense, but in the sort of sense of this is like the calming national figure who is supposed to be also sort of a thought leader, somebody who kind of puts their foot down when things are spiraling out of control. And that's obviously what's happened on college campuses. So I don't know that they actually would have said anything if they didn't also feel like they had to put out a Passover statement. You know, if it hadn't been Passover, I genuinely wonder if they would have said anything to this. It's not surprising at all that it's a statement from a spokesperson

as opposed to the president. They don't want to draw any attention to this whatsoever. We saw that there has been so much backlash on the left to the president's policies that they went to Dearborn, they dispatched high-level people from the administration to Dearborn to try and modify people in that area who are just absolutely incensed by the Biden administration's policy. So he can't. I mean, if he does it, it'll be too late. But he certainly doesn't want to draw any attention to pushing back because he's getting so much heat for being relatively supportive, as they see it, of Netanyahu and the prosecution of the war up until this point. So, I mean, it's just he's he's in a little bit of a trap, but it's one of his own

making. He really needs to watch it, Eliana. He needs to watch it if he caters to this fringy element of the left, because there are a lot of liberal Jewish voters who are with him so far, but are starting to turn on him and take a fresh look at Trump. Dan Senor was just tweeting about this today. And I don't think he's wrong. I think the president may be misjudging how strong a voting contingent the Ilhan Omars of the world control and maybe not factoring in as much a big core of the Democratic Party is. Trump's not wrong that, you know, American Jews tend to vote Democrat, like the more conservative Orthodox. They're a little bit more Republican. You tell me if I'm wrong, but he's going to start to lose this core, the core people if he caters too much to that far left flank.

Biden is between a rock and a hard place on this because he cannot get far enough in the real world. Speaking in real world terms, he cannot get far enough to the left to pacify the Ilhan Omar's and Jamal Bowman's of the world, the squad members, the folks protesting on campus. They are going to protest his convention. They are going to make his life miserable. Clearly what he is doing, which is essentially calling for conditioning aid on Israel. He has put so much pressure on Israel. They have not gone into Rafah. You know, he has turned and become a strident critic of the way Israel is prosecuting this war. That is not enough for them. He cannot get far enough to appease them. At the same time, the chaos that they are sowing and the general impression, I think, among the public that there is chaos afoot in the country

on our college campuses and elsewhere is really, really hurting Biden. But issuing a statement like the one he did and doing it in front of the camp, the campus are doing in front of the camera. Excuse me, saying this is totally unacceptable. We need to restore order. Look, we saw Ronald Reagan do that when he was gearing up for a presidential run, would further inflame the very people he is trying to appease and whom he needs not to disrupt his convention. I think he is he has screwed himself here. He's in a very, very difficult situation. And even with like suburban moms who see what's happening on campuses. So it's not even necessarily just Democratic, typical Democratic Jewish voters.

Look at a suburban mom is going to look at Biden, you know, and say, this is offensive. This is out of control and dangerous. And by the way, we saw urban moms. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, you know, we saw the Columbia president try to do a kind of Biden. She was also between a rock and a hard place where she said, I'm not going to go before the committee and say, I don't know, She was really apologetic. And in the testimony that her testimony went much better. She was well prepared. She returned to campus and now she's paying the price. Like there is just no way for Biden, the Democratic Party, the left to escape the actual ideological ideological reality that they have created. Okay, so those suburban moms need to be paying attention to this, among other things, and Title IX and what happened on Friday as this administrative agency engaged in a power grab,

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that's men pretending to be women, are now included in Title IX, which is meant to protect women. But now if you're a man pretending to be a woman, you get the same protections that we get. You can come into our locker rooms, you can come into our bathrooms on any school campus, on college campuses, on K through 12. It's just fine because we're going to be completely safe because there are absolutely no sickos who are going to take advantage of this bastardization of Title IX. Or are there? I take you already to the University of Tampa and Young America's Foundation, which happened to catch one of these fakers coming out of the

women's restroom. I think it's just on Friday. Watch. Excuse me. What are you doing in the women's bathroom? I'm sorry. What are you doing in the women's bathroom? I'm sorry? What are you doing in the women's bathroom? Okay but you're a man. Yes you are. You are clearly a man and you were just in the women's bathroom. Do you know how much money I paid for this school and now there's a man in my bathroom? Well you should talk to the administration. Oh, I definitely will. Good. Why do you feel the need to go into women's spaces as a man? No comment on that? Do you think women don't deserve their own private spaces? Nothing?

Really? Do you support women's rights? No? Okay, so there's just a man in our bathroom. That's wonderful. So the University of Tampa allows this. They also have drag queens as well. And then drag queens walk by at the same moment.

Okay, for the listening audience, that was a man who looked over six, two, um, who had teeny weeny hot pink, like biker shorts on, you know, the kind where like your butt hangs out with a black belt going around Barbarella style and a teeny weeny green bikini top with what appeared to be some sort of fake breasts going on up there and hot pink sneakers and his long man midriff exposed. It does look like he actually tried to shave his body hair. So thumbs up on that one. And, uh, a blue wig. This is the absurdity that these young women, when I was, when I went to college, I was 17, 17 year old walking in there, having to deal with that. And then you're supposed to pull down your pants, supposed to take your pants off or lift up your dress and do your business.

And not to worry, you're good. Not to worry, Emily, you just, you take your prejudice. And by the way, to that point, Riley Gaines had just tweeted out. She gave a speech at the university of, um, what was it was one of the state universities in New York, SUNY Cortland. And she put up on Twitter, the sign that was in the bathroom there, which was basically telling all women to ignore any objections that they might feel. Here it is. Upon seeing, oh, here it is. Do you feel like someone is using the wrong bathroom? It doesn't then finish with, if so, say something, go get help. It says, if so, don't stare at them. Don't challenge them. Don't what's the third one. Insult them. Don't purposefully make them feel uncomfortable. Do respect their privacy, respect their identity, carry on with your day. Transgender and non-binary individuals,

you have every right to be here. So in that fight we just saw between the young woman and the pink bottom guy, he wins. And now it's national policy and K through college education and beyond in the education front that he wins thanks to no lawmaker other than Joe Biden. In full disclosure, I'm completely biased about that Tampa video because my part time job is at Yass Journalism Program. And we're very proud of that student because the first time I saw that video, I was like, that girl conducted herself brilliantly and was like so sharp in that interaction. And the video going viral sort of,

it just puts it all into perspective for people who aren't on college campuses right now. You are looking at the reality of it. And on that poster that Riley Gaines tweeted out, so important in the bottom right corner of that, you see it says Title IX on the freaking poster telling college students who are uncomfortable, doesn't matter if they're conservative or liberal, young women who are uncomfortable with what just happened on that video, that it is a Title IX sanction policy for

you to shut up and take it. And that's exactly what the Biden administration's position on this is. And the Biden administration's position to schools is that if you do not follow our law, our regulation that wasn't passed through Congress, it was just done by an executive decision. If you don't follow it, we are threatening your federal funding. So if you're not responsive to these women who feel unsafe, to these girls who feel unsafe, your federal funding gets yanked because you're in violation of Title IX, which was a massive achievement of the women's rights movement. It's a farce. It's pathetic. And the fact that none of the Sunday shows, as you mentioned, felt that they should discuss it tells you exactly how far the media has gone and how far the left has gone.

Yeah, they don't care. By the way, I forgot to mention the man in that video is probably about 50. I mean, this is like not what a college student looks like in any way, shape or form. There was a video posted online over the weekend of two men posing as women having some knockdown drag out in Costa Rica. And they are wearing similar outfits to the one I just described. They look absolutely absurd with their big belly sticking out and they're going at it. And I'm thinking it's coming soon to a restroom near you ladies. This is what American locker rooms are going to look like as these sick guys work out their issues in our presence, where we are just in there to have our safe space, to do our business, to get change for Jim, whatever. I don't want to look at it. And by the way, Eliana, let's not pretend that men don't tend to be more violent as a rule than women.

We just saw that at a school in Pennsylvania this weekend where a boy pretending to be a girl beat the hell out of a young girl. He took one of those Stanley mugs, you know, which are big and substantial and beat a female student who was 12 so hard with it that they're not showing the video online. She received several staples in her head and it led to a bunch of parents and students speaking out at the school board meeting right after not understanding why no one in the media or even at the school will mention that the attacker was so-called trans, was a boy pretending to be female. Watch. I went to the guidance counselor and told her since I was second on the hit list, then I went to chorus and I was told, watch your back. He is going to come for

you and this other girl. The girl who got attacked didn't see it because she was faced backwards. And all of a sudden you just hear these terrible, like, loud bangs of the Stanley bouncing off her head. And then you see Mel grabbing her hair and hitting her against the table and just repeatedly hitting her with the Stanley. There was blood going everywhere. And laying in bed last night, I just kept repeating it in my head, and we shouldn't have had to sit there and just watch them clean up her blood with the mop. Watch her repeatedly yelling that I'm going to murder you. There was multiple complaints about him. This was a teenage boy who beat on a little girl.

Call it what it is. I don't care. I'm here because people reach out to me. I'm here because apparently too many people are afraid to just say that. Men and women are different. All right? How come none of the articles said that it was a boy attacking a girl? How come half the people here kept switching

between he and she? And again, I have nothing against any type of community, but what's right is right and what's fair is fair. This is not the place for a platform for transphobia. I do not agree with that. And I know many others there too. They booed her. This was at the Pembroke Middle School in North Wales, PA. Megan, I actually think that the two things we've talked about are connected, one of which is the treatment of Jewish students on college campuses. And the second is this reaction to men and trans folks using women's bathrooms. And it's like what we see of the result of having these hierarchies of oppressions. And a lot of these anti-Semitism committees on campuses have

said, what we're seeing on campuses is this double standard where when Jews say, hey, this is discrimination, we're not comfortable with this, this is a problem. They're not believed or they're told we're privileged and we're going to discount what you say. You're the only group not allowed to say we're being discriminated against. And it's the same thing that we're seeing, um, with this bathroom issue where when women are saying it and look, I remember visiting colleges with my parents. And in fact, like I had mixed sex bathrooms in college. It felt weird and awkward. It wasn't with trans. It was just like, we're across the hall from a boy's suite and we go in

and out. Um, and there's just a natural feeling of like, this is strange to get out of the shower and see a guy brushing his teeth there. Um, but the, the response is now when women speak are speaking up, um, you're not the oppressed. The trans are the oppressed. You cannot speak out about this. You are lower on the hierarchy. Be quiet. You're right. What you feeling attacked are not valid. You must shut up because there is a class that is higher on the oppression scale. And let me show you what you're going to get. Let me show you what you're going to get as a result. OK, coming soon to a bathroom or locker room near you, Tara J.

Here's Tara's original video. Tara is someone who likes to post naked D's all over his Twitter account. I mean, left and right. It's like a gay porn Twitter account and pictures of himself in a diaper who now has decided he's a she. And this is how we first came to know Tara last March when he made his original threat on the bathroom issues. I dare you to try and stop me from going into a women's bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make. I dare you to try and stop a transgender woman in my presence from using the bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make.

This is a call to action and a call to arms. You need to arm up, plain and simple. Go out, buy a gun, learn how to use it efficiently. Well, he's back, Emily, and now he's threatening. Well, you'll hear. take a listen to side 11 yeah i'm that person and i stand by every fucking word i've ever said nowhere in that video did i threaten women and children getting uh my name defamed and slandered in news articles i've even had famous people mention me people calling me a pedo As long as I can find out who you are and

where you live, you're going to get in trouble. You're going to get, you know, you're going to get a knock on your door for that. Calling me a pedo because I am a woman and I use a woman's restroom and I use women's locker room. No one has ever fucking stopped me. No one, no one will ever fucking stop me. Great. Great. That's what we're going to come out. By the way, the people he threatened were Tim Pool, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, lives of TikTok with a lawsuit. And you tell me, I mean, it sounds like they're going to get a lot more than a lawsuit if they run into this man posing as a woman. And that's the Biden administration's answer to the dad that you played before, who says men and women are different, et cetera. A middle school is now screw you. This guy is right. The guy who's saying take up arms.

But that's not a threat to women and children. You know, we need to take up arms to anybody who stops a man from entering a woman's bathroom because their identity is of a woman. No, that person is correct. And I could not possibly agree with Eliana more that this is exactly connected to what we talked about on college campuses. They don't want to own the logical conclusion of their own oppresso-oppress dichotomy, which is that now men who identify as women, they are taking the priority. They get priority over actual women because they say they feel like women because somehow they've rewritten Title IX,

not by Congress, but by executive fiat to include men. I mean, it's just, it should be a massive scandal that the media is covering like crazy that parents are outraged about and parents are outraged. But you're barely even hearing anything about it from the Republican Party. And the Republican Party, you know, opposed it during the Obama years, but should have been going full court press then, too. Thanks to the policies of this administration, never mind their corporate enablers like Planet Fitness and so on.

You or your kid could be minding your own business in the locker room, getting ready for a workout or post shower, toweling off. And that that lunatic can come in wearing his diaper, claiming he's a woman, but packing a gun. And you're in the wrong. You just shut up and take it. And you can say thank you, Joe Biden, because he's the one who made it happen. Ladies, thank you so much today and always love having you. Thanks, Megan. All right. Tomorrow we have the full Trump trial covered with our pals, Dave and Mike. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda and no fear. Thank you.