The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk on How Jill Stein and Joe Manchin Could Hurt Biden in 2024, and Progressive Left Turning on Each Other | Ep. 667

Episode Date: November 10, 2023

Megyn Kelly is joined by Charlie Kirk, CEO of Turning Point USA, to talk about Vivek Ramaswamy's attacks on NBC and the RNC, How Gov. Ron DeSantis could have improved his debate night, why the RNC should be thinking outside the box, how candidates should have been attacking Biden instead of each other, the shock poll showing Trump ahead of Biden among black men, Trump up huge in Georgia, whether the polls are too go to be true, the Democrats' dominance in get out the vote and microtargeting, how Jill Stein could play a spoiler role in 2024 like she did in 2016, whether RFK Jr. will pull voters from Trump or Biden, the Democrats' 2020 strategy unable to work in 2024, how No Labels and Manchin might impact the race, who's winning culture war issues on abortion and trans issues, intersectional infighting between anti-Israel protesters and Antifa and trans activists, the bizarre association between BLM and pro-Palestinian causes, the sickness and depravity it takes to tear down Israeli hostage posters, why it's young people and often young women doing it, how this moment might lead some on the left to open their eyes to the reality of our culture, the anti-Israel left turning on the New York Times, oppression Olympics on display in a viral drunk driving police bodycam video, Biden administration wanting to change the definition of parent to take out gendered terms, and more.More from Charlie Kirk: http://CharlieKirk.com Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. And happy Friday. What a week it's been from an election day that went unexpectedly well for the Democrats again to the Republican presidential debate and now new polling in key battleground states. I mean, additional new polling after that New York Times Siena poll, which has some very, very good news for former President Trump. Meantime, the New York Times getting a taste of what it's like to be targeted by protests as pro-Palestinian demonstrators storm the Times lobby, charging the

newspaper with genocide. Everyone's a genocider now. You can't make it up. Plus, wait until you hear who is behind one of the latest gross teardowns of hostage posters. Joining me today for the full show, Charlie Kirk, founder and CEO of Turning Point USA and host of The Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie, great to have you back. How are you doing? Thank you, Megan. Good. Thanks so much for having me. So I want to get to these polls in one second, but let's just kick it off with a debate because I haven't had the chance to hear from you since the debate the other night. What did you make of it and did you think it moved the needle at all? No, I mean, my favorite part of the debate, honestly, was Vivek Ramaswamy's opening statement.

First of all, I totally agree with him that Rana should resign. We've talked about that on the show, and I think it's important, given the disappointing election results this week about the lack of machinery and the lack of accountability when it comes to the RNC and how we're investing or not investing in these key states, especially with ballot chasing and voter registration. But honestly, what I thought was even better, the best part of it was when he put NBC News on the spot. And it didn't get nearly the attention that I think in the legacy media, but online amongst conservative influencers and kind of those of us on social media, we were giving standing ovations. Finally, somebody put it on NBC News. You had Welker

there and Lester Holt that act as if they're these impartial moderators where they have been active pushers of disinformation. And it's not just one story, the Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden laptop, a lot of stuff with COVID COVID masks work, locking down schools, vaccine is safe and effective. And, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy, he capitalized on this. And, you know, I've talked about this before, Megan, you know, I believe Governor. Let me just play it, Charlie, just to refresh people on what he said, and then I'll let you pick it up. Please do. Yes. Thank you. Why should you be the nominee and not the former president?

I think there's something deeper going on in the Republican Party here. And I am upset about what happened last night. We've become a party of losers at the end of the day. We as a cancer in the Republican establishment. Let's speak the truth. I mean, since Ronald McDaniel took over as chairwoman of the RNC in 2017, we have lost 2018, 2020, 2022, no red wave that never came. We got trounced last night. This should be Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, and Elon Musk. We'd have 10 times the viewership asking questions that GOP primary voters actually care about and bringing more people into our party. You think the Democrats, and we've got Kristen Welker here, you think the Democrats would actually hire Greg Gutfeld to host a Democratic debate? They wouldn't do it.

And so the fact of the matter is, I mean, Chris, I'm going to use this time because it's actually about you in the media and the corrupt media establishment. Ask you the Trump Russia collusion hoax that you pushed on this network for years. Was that real or was that Hillary Clinton made up disinformation? Answer the question. Go. OK, keep going. No, first of all, I'm so glad you played it because there's so many takeaways there, but he puts them on the spot. And they had this

little smirk, Welker and Holt, and they said, oh, let's leave our time for the candidates. They didn't know how to answer it because deep down, they know that he hit their vulnerable spot, that he hit a weakness in the regime media, is that they masquerade as impartial moderators when in reality they're activists. They're activists on Meet the Press. They're activists on NBC Nightly News. And honestly, I think it was a huge mistake and a largely unforgivable one for the RNC to partner with the NBC News in this way. But I believe Governor Ron DeSantis is America's greatest governor. We've talked about that before, Megan. What a missed opportunity for Ron DeSantis not to do this in his opening statement.

First question was to Ron DeSantis. And I'll be honest, he gave a canned political answer that made me roll my eyes. Gas prices are too high and people aren't... I said, forget it. Where's the kind of alpha male? Guys, stop it. Where's the kind of Fauci is awful and he used to fight with reporters. Ron DeSantis should have been like, are you ashamed of yourself, Lester Holt? Like you hate us.

Why are you here? Right? Like, why are you here? Like you've attacked, that's the alpha Ron DeSantis we want. Well, you know, people are real. And I feel your pain. It was like this fake Bill Clinton thing.

And Vivek Ramaswamy, to his credit, read the room and he took the low hanging fruit. Here you have two debate moderators that are despised by the Republican debates. Right. God bless you, Hewitt. I really like him. I've known him for years. You know, he didn't get enough airtime, in my opinion. Lester Holt and Welker, they are not, you know, they're not fair.

They're not impartial. They are activists. They are spokespeople for the American Democrat Party. It might as well be a Democrat super PAC that calls itself a media network. And Vivek capitalized on it. In addition, the stones that it takes, Megan, if I could speak bluntly, to say that the chair of the RNC should resign at an RNC sponsored debate. Woo. That's some cojones right there.

Well, right. And she's I mean, she has been the scourge of a lot of Republican commentary because the Republicans keep losing. And so it's like, look, it's not just Ronna McDaniel. Trump is get he gets blamed. Ronna gets blamed. Anybody in in the position of power and influence over these elections is going to get blamed because they keep losing. So everyone's got to take some responsibility. She had a one liner yesterday, I think, with Duvarni. He's at four percent in the polls. He needs to say something to get attention, kind of dismissive of a vague.

And look, you can't blame everything on Ronna McDaniel. I don't think the RNC has been doing a great job, obviously. There's a lot of blame to go around. But I loved the fact that he called out NBC. I felt the same. I know why the RNC did it. NBC is a big platform, very big platform. And they want eyeballs on the debate. And like, look, you know, you know, we're doing this partnership with News Nation for the next debate. News Nation doesn't really have many viewers at all. Like it's a fledgling new news network that's just trying to get attention. So they're not going to get the hit for going with News Nation and yours truly and Eliana, a free beacon, like you went with a bunch

of leftists. But will the numbers be as big? Will the platform be as big? I doubt it. Right. It's not NBC News, which is right there on your cable dial as soon as you turn on your television. But at what cost? At what cost do you partner with them? Right. Because it's like, you know what you're going to get even when they try to be neutral. And last night or two nights ago, they did try to not sound like the Democrats that we know they are. Lester says is Republican. OK, show me the evidence. Even when they try to be, they don't choose the right ins and outs on the questions. They don't come at the issues the way Republicans want them. There were a bunch of issues that are important

to Republicans that once again were left on the editing room floor. So you you can see the fact that these are not people who are interested in what what is motivating the Republican base. No, first of all, I'm thrilled you're doing the next debate, Megan. That's a step in the right direction because honestly, you're going to ask the tough questions very firmly and fairly. That Univision person that was there a couple of debates ago has just obviously had an agenda, and you're going to hold them accountable. And also, you have a really big audience of people of all different political backgrounds. And finally, Megan, I think, and I don't know what you're going to ask, but I would imagine you're going to get some answers on this trans thing, which I think is a civilizational

defining issue, right? That has not received any attention. Not raised at all by NBC. Right? So I'm really- Not a question. Because they know it's a loser, right? So NBC, they'll talk about abortion, you know, six weeks, eight weeks.

Hold on. What about 13 years for chemical castration? So I'm thrilled that you're involved. I think that's a huge win. I mean that. And I'll say this though, just to push back on this distribution thing, I will say this. If the RNC thought a little bit more creatively, what if they would have done an open live stream with four daily wire hosts? I think that they would have had competing viewership of NBC News. I really believe that Megan, if they would have had competing viewership of NBC News. I really believe that, Megan. If they would have had Candace Owens and Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro or whatever, right? I mean, you could name these people across the board. Dan Bongino,

who's not part of Daily Wire. Yeah, or Turning Point, right? We offered ourselves up to it. I would say that the old muscle memory of the RNC says you have to go with NBC. And that's still largely the truth, right? They're on YouTube TV, DirecTV. You says you have to go with NBC. And that's still largely the truth, right? They're on YouTube TV, DirecTV. You don't have to think about it. You turn it on. But the whole complaint that I hear is, oh, we're losing younger voters. And obviously, I've dedicated my life to it.

And I have some insight into it. Well, why don't you have a different type of a debate then? Not just the Lester Holton Welker hour. I think Vivek was getting onto something, which is Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, somebody off the wall, a David Sachs type person that is very analytical, very fair, obviously anti-woke, asks the right questions. Have the All In podcast ask some of these questions. And the RNC, it doesn't need to be this elaborately produced thing. In podcast culture, you know this, Megan, the content actually supersedes the aesthetic in some way. You don't need the $5 million stage. I mean, all that's fine, I guess. But what I'm

getting at is that if the RNC was really operating in a way of reaching the most people and reaching primary voters, we have to remember that this is first about an audience of primary voters. And I've spent a lot of time amongst Republican primary voters. NBC News is not exactly a fan favorite. I mean, it's kind of like it's a contaminated network at this place where people don't even want to go to that channel. And so I hear the distribution thing. The only argument that I'll give the RNC, to all fairness, is that this is an opportunity to be on a network to potentially persuade independent voters to vote Republican. I'm not convinced Republicans bickering with one another

about high heels and daughter's TikTok usage is a good look for independent moderate voters. That's going to happen in a primary debate. That's the candidates' fault. Yes. I agree. You didn't have to go lowbrow, right? They could have kept the fights more elevated, and they should. I have to say, like,

look, Nikki Haley, she drew blood off of Vivek, too, in the earlier debate, saying, I get dumber every time I listen to you. That was personal. It was nasty.

He came back this time around with, you know, Dick Cheney in three-inch heels. People are saying it was sexist. I didn't care. I wasn't feeling like this was a sexist attack. Like she does wear heels. Like, OK, I don't know. Whatever. He's pointing out she's she's like Dick Cheney, only a woman. That's what he's trying to say. In any event, that's up to them. If they want to go lowbrow and sound like petty little, you know, schoolchildren, then that's not on the moderator or Ronna McDaniel. Only they control. And I would say as, then that's not on the moderator or Ronna

McDaniel. Only they control. And I would say as as somebody who's not a political advisor, but has been doing this a long time, if I were up there, I would try to make every answer about Joe Biden. I would try to make every answer about Joe Biden. You know, if I had a point of disagreement with my fellow Republican up there, I'd say, look, you know, kind of like Vivek says, like, I feel very differently about Ukraine than these people do.

And this is why. Fine. That's that's fair. And he should do that. But for the most part, I'd be like, let me tell you about Joe Biden. How are they not freaking out on Joe Biden and the border? How is that like how are they not blaming him for all the money that we've given to Iran? They'll say all this in a one on one interview, but they get up there and they just shrink into the smallest versions of themselves. Yeah. And that's such a smart point, which is, I mean, if you're the Democrat party, not only do you have a good election day on Tuesday, largely because of machinery and sophistication, and I'm sure we'll get into parts of that, but also you have to watch this kind of bickering match. And let's just also state the obvious.

Is it actually a debate, Megan, if the frontrunner who has 60% of the approval is not there? It's something. I don't know what it is. I mean, it could be a forum. It could be a fun conversation. That's not really an honest and healthy debate, right? And Vivek is the only one to his credit. I want to be very fair. I told this to Vivek privately in public.

I didn't like when he went after Nikki Haley's daughter. I don't like that. I think that's unfair. I don't like it. That's a very complicated thing. So I just want to put that there. Oh, your daughter uses TikTok. I don't like it.

Okay. Just don't touch it. But I still think he's, yeah, I think he's the winner of the debate. I think he did a better job than not. And especially he had some viral moments that were important. But Vivek is the only one that realized that the Republican base still likes Donald Trump. They enthusiastically are behind that. And one of the things that I wish they would have all could have agreed on, instead of Chris Christie's fake folksy New Jersey tough

guy thing, which drives me crazy, is like, hey, love him or hate him, it is morally wrong and unacceptable that the Department of Justice is going to lock the leader of the opposition party potentially in prison for 500 years. I mean, every answer should be directed at that, right? And here's the buried lead, though. I think some people on that stage, Chris Christie, definitely, maybe Tim Scott, maybe not. I don't know about DeSantis and, you know, probably Nikki Haley. They're not that bothered that that Donald Trump might be facing that prison time. Precisely. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. If I were one of them, I realize that they're trying to get the Trump voters and all that. But at this point in the

game, I'd be going after Trump, too. What do they have to lose? Like they're going to lose it. Like something needs to change in their strategy. Like it's up to them. They're the candidates. Make it all about Biden. Make it all about Trump. You know, be better on your substantive differences between the others up there. But like just keep getting up there and saying like my vision for this, my vision. It's like you're not in that primary that that is not this primary. You've got an 800 pound gorilla ahead of you in the GOP lane. You're not getting past him unless you you go after him. That's my view at this point, because they're not getting Trump voters so they can only consolidate support with the non-Trump voters or mention Joe Biden and how you're going to completely erase

and crush all of his like do something other than, as you point out, the petty squabbles where it's like, TikTok? What? Wait, why? What? I know. And also to your point, Megan, God bless him. I think he's an honorable man, and I've always liked him. But it makes me cringe when I hear Tim Scott's Morning in America redux. I mean, it's his default play. And I'm like, bro, it's this folksy. And he's like, our better angels are tomorrow and we are opportunity. And it's like, it is not 1988, man. Okay. Like that is falling flat.

And it's so like, and together we can unite. And it's kind of this, it's as if you were to script a political candidate. And honestly, yeah, the Republican base, they're pretty pissed. They're pissed that they don't have a border. They're pissed that there is a traitor criminal, in my opinion, as president of the United States. They're pissed that we're borrowing $2 trillion a year. And politics at its best, if you have an opposition party, actually focuses the energy on the incumbent regime. But that's a great point, Megan. I don't know the answer, but I think there was more attention focused on the infighting or just I don't like you or you don't like me.

And I like policy disagreements. I think that's a smart point rather than, hey, we're actually here to eventually go beat Joe Biden. I didn't get that sense. Right. This is like they have such an opportunity this year in a way, because the Dems obviously aren't having any primaries, though they should. They're not having any debates. They're not allowing anybody to go up against Joe Biden in the Dem lane. That's why RFKJ had to move over to independent. And we'll talk about some of these other candidates who are now popping up. It's getting interesting over there, possibly Manchin, possibly. Well, yes, Jill Stein. Don't write her off. She's not going to win, but she's a spoiler. She spoiled it for Hillary.

So she's important. So they're not going to let anybody challenge Biden. So what does that mean for the Republicans? That's that. I think it's an advantage to them to have these debates going on, even if one of these guys doesn't emerge as the nominee, which is unlikely as we know, it's them up there talking about their issues and everything Joe Biden is doing wrong. If they would do it right, that's how this would sound. It would be two hours a night on NBC, on Fox, on News Nation, whatever, to millions of audience members saying, he's ruining the country. We all agree on that. And then focus, like tick off the reasons why get specific, unleash all these amazing, you know, minds on those issues so they can make the case over and over and over. That inures to the party's benefit,

no matter who winds up being the nominee. They can't do it because, you know, you're naturally narcissistic if you run for president and they are in a contest where they have to beat the other guys around them. So it's just it's not turning into the opportunity it could have been. What a great point here you have, if that's the best argument to do an NBC News thing, right? So you get two hours to then make the case to connect the pain, misery, suffering and discontent that people are feeling with an actual person that is doing it, Joe Biden and the Democrats. And that's the best if only argument to do something on NBC News. And I think it was largely a failed and missed opportunity. It's just like occurring to me.

What if they actually all got together before that debate and said, you know, clearly we can't stand each other's guts, but clearly nobody here is winning. So why don't we take this opportunity to make every answer about Joe Biden and the Democrats and the media and NBC? Let's like let's just keep turning it back. The Republican base would have been like, yes, yes, I love them all. I'm signing up and registering today. Yeah. You've spent time around politicians, Megan, to try to get five politicians who, I mean, look, God bless them all. I know them. I don't know Chris Christie very well. The others I've known pretty well. You can't get them to agree on anything. And they don't want to address

obviously the big one, Trump. Chris Christie said he's not even going to support him if he's the nominee. And it does make you think, do all five on that stage, is their top priority beating Joe Biden? I don't know. I don't think it is. I do not think the top, top priority is to beat Joe Biden and keep the Democrats out of power. I'm not, I'm not, especially for Chris Christie. That's, I don't think that's the case. Well, I mean, I think, what has he said that he's not going to vote? He's going to go third party. I can't remember whether he said he would actually vote for Joe Biden. I don't want to, I don't want to get it wrong, but it's something where I'm not going to support Trump if he's the nom, as if that's a real big blow to Trump's constituency. Yeah, right. I actually went back,

um, I was taking a look at some prior debates in preparation for this next one. And I was playing that famous August 2015 debate with Trump and Brett and Chris Wallace and I and me. And that was the opening. The opening question was from Brett Baier to all the candidates on that stage saying, will you pledge? He said, we know you don't like raise your hand questions. So this will be the only one. Raise your hand if you will not support the ultimate nominee of the party. And Trump was the only one. Trump was the only one raising his hand. And he said, you know, I can't if it's I got to be honest, if it's not me, I don't I'm not sure I can get behind any of these guys. And he was he was telling the truth. I think at that point, very few people believed it really would be Trump. He was having a surge in the polls. He emerged that night as a front runner, went into it. But people always thought he was going to crash and burn. Nobody, you know, nobody thought he could pull it out. In any event, Chris Christie saying it now, Trump got so much shit for saying that Chris Christie saying it now he doesn't get as

much shit for saying I'm not going to support the nominee. Like you point out, no one, no one cares about how Chris Christie is going to vote. Okay. So let me, let me talk about this, this poll and also the new candidates, new ish, the new poll today on the wake, on the heels of that New York times Sienna poll, and also a CNN poll, which actually we didn't even get to the other day, but so I'll just highlight on the CNN poll, which came out after the New York Times poll. First of all, it shows that Trump leads Biden in a hypothetical rematch by four points now. So the the lead is widening in most of the polls about four months ago. It was Biden, maybe up one, maybe the two of them tied, maybe Trump up one in the rarer case.

Now you're getting consistently Trump, Trump up three, Trump up four, Trump up sometimes five. Most of the electorates say their mind is pretty much made up. Fifty one percent of voters say there's no chance they would vote Biden. Forty eight percent say there's no chance they'll vote Trump. So those, you know, Dem votes and Republican votes are pretty hardcore. But here's one of the highlights out of it. Just just amazingly. The the black men of America is now supporting Trump. Black men in America are supporting Trump

more than they're supporting Biden. And it's by forty nine to forty six, three points margin towards Trump in 2020 among black men. Biden beat Trump by thirty four points, Charlie, thirty four. And now there's been a thirty seven point swing in favor of Trump. That's amazing. Republicans have never had those kind of inroads with black voters. So before I get to the new Bloomberg poll, comments on that. First of all, if that ends up materializing, I mean, the Democrats' chances of winnings go down significantly. I mean, Georgia alone, that will win Donald Trump the state of Georgia. It will get him almost a guaranteed victory in Wisconsin. Arizona won't matter as much. And there's a lot of different reasons for that. Honestly, Megan, I think the trans issue is chief among them. I think the immigration economy trans are moving black men away from the Democrat party. Black men do not want to hear about their kids or grandkids, you know, men becoming women or women becoming men that that dog does not hunt in the black community. Secondly, the economy is

just trash, especially for people on the lower income ladder, people that work for a living, muscular class. And it's not just black men, but Hispanic men and Hispanic voters in general. And then finally, mass immigration. We are seeing the border continually wide open. Where are a lot of these illegals going, Megan? They're going into black neighborhoods. They're going into Chicago. They're going into New York. And you're starting to see kind of that spillover effect. You see a video here, a video there. You have to really kind of search for it because the media is ignoring it. But there is rage in the black community about social services, schools being overrun, prioritization for the black community to get these sort of services. They also know,

sorry, this person from Nicaragua is going to get it first. If this ends up happening, Megan, it is a electoral and political game changer. It's huge. I don't think Republicans ever believed anyone could do it. And yet Donald Trump is doing it. OK, that leads me to Bloomberg today.

You mentioned Georgia. My God, Trump up seven. He's up seven in Georgia. Now Now it was very, very tight in Georgia between Trump and Biden last time around. Biden won by 11,000 votes, but seven right now for Trump. That's huge. Arizona, Trump up for Pennsylvania. That was such a squeaker. Trump up three, Nevada, Trump up three. Nevada. I mean, the Republicans got trounced in Nevada in 2022 midterms. Wisconsin. Trump up one. Just the one. But Wisconsin's huge. North Carolina. Trump up nine. And Michigan tied. Michigan tied. There's got to be an all-out panic. David Axelrod's going to go back on CNN

immediately like, would you please listen to me? Yes, exactly. I will take some of these polls with a grain of salt. I think this is a hit against Joe Biden. I think they're trying to get the drumbeat going again, the David Ignatius kind of drumbeat. Joe Biden, you got to get out of the way. Joe Biden, you got to... Getting rid of Joe Biden is proving to be far more difficult, I think, than the regime realized. When David Ignatius wrote that piece, Joe Biden must step out. David Ignatius is a spokesperson for the intel agencies. He wrote it in the Washington Post. And we saw very similar pieces come up. So I think this polling is a little bit too good to be true. I think there is some truth to it. I think that Donald Trump legitimately is more popular if the election was

conducted fairly and squarely and the RNC had its act together. I think Donald Trump, of course, wins by how much I do not know. But I think the main takeaway from this poll is they're trying to get rid of Joe Biden. Now, mind you, the problem with these polls, though, and I know we're going to talk about this, Megan, is it didn't factor in third party candidates. This is the hardest of all things to try to poll and to predict. Binary races you could predict with some sort of precision. But in 2016, one of the reasons why the polling was so wrong is that people did not anticipate 150,000 votes for Jill Stein here and 80,000 votes for Jill Stein here and 80,000 votes for Jill Stein here.

Well, now imagine theoretically you have Trump, you have Biden, you have potentially Cornel West, definitely Jill Stein, Manchin and Romney. Maybe we'll see about that. And RFK, how do you pull that? Right. I mean, who takes from who at that place? And we can, you know, build that out and dissect it. So the only problem with that poll is that it was just a Trump v. Biden. And they said, you know, a third, you know, here's a third option if you'd like to choose one, unspecified, undefined. But what it does show though, is that the Democrats have a major incumbent problem and their machinery can only take them so far. Their ability to harvest ballots, their ability to, I'm not even talking about the illegal stuff. I'm talking about the legal stuff we know that they do. Their GOTV operation, their micro-targeting, their ability to communicate to very specific communities like young women on abortion

or young black women on reparations, micro-target college kids on student loan forgiveness, whatever. They're very, very good at that using sophisticated technology and artificial intelligence, and Republicans are so far behind. But that machinery has limits. They can only do that. That probably is a three or four point boost at best. There's only so much of that if there is an overwhelming cascade of voters, especially when the math gets super interesting, when a community like the Hispanic community here in Arizona that traditionally would go 65 percent Democrat is all of a sudden 50 50 Republican Democrat. The math is goes completely haywire for the Democrats. If black men, they can't take those. No, they can't.

They cannot win enough suburban wine moms back for the Democrat party that have anxiety over abortion. If you have, if you're losing five Hispanics for every wine mom that you went in paradise Valley, like the math doesn't work right now. And I don't, I don't even mean that, you know, as a pejorative, it's just the thing, right? What do you mean? We're not judging. What? Okay. Yeah, no, it's, it's just true. I mean, it's so, but there's the, so, so there's a lot of mystery to this and a lot of guessing. So my, my drumbeat every day that I hit Megan and what we're trying to do at turning point action, our political arm is let's do this stuff that we know will make a difference. The boring, but necessary work, ballot chasing, registering new voters, engaging in early

voting, keeping your head down and doing the difficult and tough work. Because if anybody, if anybody tells you they know what this election is going to look like, they are guessing and lying. When you have five different, that feels like a European election, Megan, five or six different candidates, they're all going to be raising millions of dollars. And there is a legitimate possibility, and we could dive as deep as you want into this, that no candidate gets the 270 electoral votes and it goes to the House of Representatives. No, I could I could walk you through what that would look like. Right. You to do that. Wait, wait. Let's do that. Let's do that.

But table it for one second. I'll squeeze in a break before we do third parties. But before we do that, I want to I want to point out that Joe Biden agrees with you that these polls are not necessarily to be trusted. He was confronted on the terrible polling by Fox News's Peter Doocy and another reporter. Here's how that went. Why do you think it is that people should be more concerned about abortion access than your age? I don't think it's a comparable. Why do you think it is that you're trailing Trump in all these swing state polls? Because you don't read the polls. I'll give you 10

polls. Eight of them. I'm beating him in those states. Eight of them. You guys only do two. CNN and New York Times. Check it out. Check it out. We'll get you a copy of all those polls. I don't believe you're trailing in battleground states. No, I don't. Okay. So he, he, he says it's fake news, sounding a little Trumpy. This is what everybody does when the news is bad for them. It's fake news. And then when the outcome of the election comes out in a bad way, that's fake too. It's just like nothing, nothing is bad for me. It'll be, it'll be Putin. It'll be Jill Stein is a Putin puppet. That's right. All right.

Stand by, because what's happening in that third party lane is getting very interesting. We'll be right back. Charlie Kirk is with us for the whole show today. Happy about that. Political system is broken. The two Wall Street parties are bought and paid for. Over 60 percent of us now say the bipartisan establishments failed us, and we need a party that serves the people.

Both parties are a danger to our democracy, expanding censorship, criminalizing protests, throwing competitors off the ballot, suppressing debates, rigging their primaries. We do have the power and we can use it in this election to start building an America and a world that works for all of us. She's back. That was Jill Stein. Welcome back to he here to all of you to the Megyn Kelly show. My guest today is Charlie Kirk. So, you know, no one's going to vote for Jill Stein that we know.

I don't think we know a single person who's going to vote for Jill Stein. However, she matters. I mean, go, Jill, go. You go, sister. Green. Oh, I'm going to buy the shirt. Right? Jill Stein, right?

You know, feel the Stein. I love it. By the way, a couple takeaways from that video, people listening on podcast or on SiriusXM, I just want to make sure. She's showing imagery of the Palestinian protesters being arrested. That's a big deal for them. Understand that Jill Stein is going to get a boost because a lot of people in the Democrat base are pissed at Biden. There's a reason why she put that imagery on there, right? And in a state like Michigan, where you have hundreds of thousands of Hamas

sympathizers, I'm not exaggerating, in Dearborn, Michigan, or in Minnesota, stuff like that can make a very, very big difference. So look, when you talk about third parties, it's very, very hard to predict, but you can look at trends. I will die on this hill, Megan. I think RFK hurts Trump. I've said this to the Trump team. I see it firsthand. I think RFK hurts Donald Trump far more than he hurts Joe Biden, companies and the corporations are corrupt. So you have low trust of institution voters that are going to be competing for the same sort of candidates competing for those voters. Joe Biden is a high trust of institutions candidate where he says, hey, institutions are worthy of trust. This is the Joe Scarborough thing, right? Which is how dare you question the FBI? How dare you question the military? What are you non-patriotic? Honestly, Megan, what's incredible is Joe Biden's mantra, attitude, vibe, and messaging is identical to George W. Bush

messaging in 2004. Identical. That if you speak against the military, you're anti-American. If you don't like the government, it's the same as not liking the country. It's very interesting to see this inversion happen. But then you have these other candidates, right? So Joe Biden's math gets messy when all of a sudden you introduce a Jill Stein. I don't know what happened to Cornel West. Did they buy him off or did they like threaten him to put him in Gitmo? So I was looking at that too. He's still around. I guess he's no longer going to be the Green Party guy. Now he's going to run as an independent because the Queen of Green. This feels like a blackmail thing. I got to be honest. He was talking like, I know he was like the good old soul, you know, preacher, pastor, you know, he has that vibe to him, you know, Brother Hannity, you know, we need to have a reparations and all this.

And he was going to like a fight for the people and And he was doing all these tick tocks. And then the daily beast comes out with a story. It's true. They say Cornell West owes 10 years of back taxes to the IRS. And he just kind of, you know, backs away, backs away a little bit. Racism playing there, but listen, here's the fascinating thing about Jill Stein. We knew that she was a spoiler, but going back and reading just how big a spoiler she was is interesting. OK, this is from 11-9, 2023 WAPO. In 2016, Hillary Trump, Stein drew one point four million votes nationally as the Green Party nominee. But Democrats accused Stein of being a spoiler in a number of battleground states where the race was close.

Clinton lost Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin to Trump by fewer votes than Stein received. Had Clinton won all three, she would have been president. And think about it. I remember that anger like it was such a tsunami when Trump won. It was like a gazillion news stories. This one was in there, but, you know, probably didn't get as much attention as it normally would. Jill Stein, really, you could make the case she she cost the Dems the election. Yeah. And here's the amazing thing, Megan. Democrats use covid as a way to keep the Green Party off the ballot. The Green Party was not on the ballot in 2020. So it was not on the ballot in 2020. so it was not on the ballot

in georgia yes because they weren't able to get the signatures the democrats come in and they sue there was no green party in wisconsin no green party in pennsylvania so you could make the argument that if the green party would have been on the ballot donald trump would still be president so you can go an even step further so now now you have coming into next year, you have Jill Stein that'll be on the ballot. I professionally debate, let's just say revolutionaries. I'm going to be really nice this morning, Megan. I'm on like three hours of sleep, by the way. I was at UCLA yesterday. It was really interesting. They do not like Joe Biden. They do not. And the more options that are presented that allow them to vote their conscience,

I'm a young freedom-fighting voter, the better. What the Democrats did in 2020 was so smart. They created a European equivalent of a vote of no confidence against Donald Trump. Very few people voted for Joe Biden. They voted against Donald Trump and the pressure cooker that was created around him. COVID death tolls on CNN, race riots, disorder in the country, panic, the kind of idea that the country was falling apart. And Joe Biden was just kind of a return to normalcy, return to unity. We all know that was a bunch of crap, right? But that was the way that was framed. And they had to

suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story and keep Joe Biden largely untouched to make that happen. Donald Trump is much better as an outsider insurgent candidate than an incumbent candidate. That's my personal opinion. He's much better at calling out the flaws and criticizing an incumbent than defending a record. That's my own personal... I think we're on the same page there. So now we have this thing where Jill Stein, if she gets the signatures, which the Green Party has somewhat of an infrastructure in Wisconsin, has somewhat of an infrastructure in Georgia, somewhat of an infrastructure in Pennsylvania, is that Joe Biden is now going to have to go to Dane County, Wisconsin, the home of University of Wisconsin-Madison, and convince younger voters to go vote for him.

But honestly, there's other options. Some of the Rogan bros might go for RFK. The younger ladies might go for Jill Stein. The earth worshipers might go to Jill Stein. I'm saying that all of a sudden, you're now going to see that kind of five to six to seven to eight point erosion. And then Joe Biden has a massive Palestine problem that's not going to go away. This this is I have not seen a schism in the Democrat rank and file. And I I do this for a living, Megan. And I'm just like, wow, you know, I love to be shocked and surprised. I did not have on my bingo card, you know, Gaza, you know, splintering the Democrat party. You know, I have to say my first thought on it, like after all the other thoughts, I guess it wasn't my first, but I mean, in terms of the electoral impact on what's happening in the Mideast is maybe this will be the thing that will finally lead the Dems to close the border

when they realize what's what immigration has done in places like Michigan and Minnesota, which is coming back to it's one thing they wanted it to come back to haunt the Republicans. Now it's coming back to haunt them. That's a totally different matter. Just ask anybody who's trying to get into the United States from Cuba. They see it very differently depending on your that's right. Politics coming in. They already had a problem in the Muslim vote with the trans stuff and the abortion stuff. They were on shaky ground, especially Muslim men. They might not be in favor of Republicans, but the trans stuff and the abortion stuff are completely against just mainstream Muslim theology, regardless of anyone's opinions on that. And now they're on even shakier ground with the whole Democrat Party splintered over this. So now we look at this.

We say, OK, what does this mean? Donald Trump's superpower is in a movable base. It's his superpower. Joe Scarborough said it perfectly in MSNBC, and he said it with kind of regret. I don't think things could get any worse for Donald Trump, and he's doing very well. Yeah, they kind of threw every, what else? You're going to throw another 700 years of prison at him? You trying to tell me that an indictment or a conviction in Fulton County is going to

move his base away? No. The one that does pose a threat though, Jill Stein will hurt Joe Biden. Cornel West will hurt Joe Biden. RFK will hurt Donald Trump, but that is movable. I think you can move RFK's numbers down a little bit, honestly, because he is a Massachusetts liberal who happens to be really good on COVID. I have great respect for him on that, but I think people are going to wake up a little bit because he's been basically, no, he's not. He said, I'm going to be the most pro trans president. That is a big loser for anybody that has been paying attention. So I hope we get the truth out about RFKs true loyalties there, but is this, and I don't know how deep you want to get into this, this mansion Romney thing,

both of which are, let me, let me tee it up. Let me tee it up. So that's the other big news of the day in the third party lane, Joe Manchin announcing that he's not going to run for reelection as a Senator Democrat Senator though centrist, uh, in West Virginia, which is the only kind of Democrat who can get elected statewide in West Virginia. He's not going to run again. He's 76 too. Why is everybody 76? Where, where, why they're all 76 or 77 or 80, whatever. So he says he's not going to run again. It seems very clear. He's, he's getting ready to run with this third party, no labels, which is going to be on the ballot. And, and, uh, it actually will launch a candidate. And here's why people think it's not just a resignation. It's something much more. Here's

here he was on Thursday in a video. After months of deliberation and long conversation with my family, I believe in my heart of hearts that I have accomplished what I set out to do for West Virginia. I've made one of the toughest decisions of my life and decided that I will not be running for reelection to United States Senate. But what I will be doing is traveling the country and speaking out to see if there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle and bring Americans together. Public service has and continues to drive me every day. That is the vow that I made to my father over 40 years ago. And I intend to keep that vow until my dying day. If there is an interest in creating a movement to mobilize the middle, go ahead with your point.

Yeah, so he's probably going to run for president, no labels. So I have on good authority here, Megan. I know some wealthy donors that are not as conservative as I am, but we're still on great terms. We're friends and we've been friends for years and they're getting hit up by No Labels. No Labels is doing conference calls. They're ramping up. It's real. So just so everyone knows in the audience, No Labels is a donor driven project where honestly some of their analysis of the political landscape is rooted in truth, but it's going to be a money grab for consultants, the likes of which we haven't seen since Mayor Bloomberg's run for the office where he spent a billion dollars to get like an electoral – like a delegate in Guam or something. What was that? He spent like a billion dollars and I think Doug Schoen made like 15 million. I don't know. Doug Schoen is actually a good guy. But it's like – we've never seen – right?

No, but it was true. I think Mayor Bloomberg spent like a billion dollars to get like a person in Guam to say, I'm a Bloomberg delegate. It was one of the funniest stories in the history of politics, how it wasn't like a Showtime, Netflix, Hulu documentary of this former mayor of New York that spends a billion dollars to win a guy in Guam. I still think it was one of the missed opportunities. It still could be done. Anyway, so this is largely going to be a grift for consultants, right? Let's just be honest. However, this on its surface will hurt Donald Trump because Donald Trump's path to victory in normal circumstances is he needs to win over the

college-educated suburban voters that are upset about inflation, they're upset about crime, but they want more nuanced solutions, Megan. They don't want necessarily the conservative position on all this stuff. They'd rather have a very agreeable approach to politics. Now, a lot of this is unrealistic, but it is admirable in some ways, I guess, to try to find middle consensus because that's the way that politics works. At the same time, let's take a step back. This could hurt Joe Biden in the sense where the new coalition for Democrats is skewing and skewing more and more college educated, more and more suburban, and less and less rural, and less and less rural and less and less Hispanic and increasingly less and less with black men. The no labels mantra will be this. It will be highly nuanced,

sophisticated, not sophisticated, I guess sophisticated is a good way to put it, messaging on TV deliverables to college educated white voters specifically saying, why can't we get back to find the middle? That will not work with the Democrat base. They don't want that, right? The Rashida Tlaibs, the AOCs, and Joe Biden needs those people, so he's already going to lose those. And that's not going to work with the Donald Trump MAGA base, right? That's an immovable 40% of the country. It will work though with, for example, a Mormon, a typical Mormon voter in the East Valley of Arizona in Chandler or Mesa or Gilbert, right? These are people that voted for Jeff Flake. They voted for Mitt Romney. And they are asking

themselves, can't we find a middle way? That's going to hurt. I will say this, and I'm probably going to be one of the few people. I think no labels hurts both Biden and Trump. Where it gets very interesting, though, is that what if Mitt Romney runs for the presidency with Joe Manchin? Let's just say that's a thing. No labels. Because that's one of the things being potentially reported right now, although no labels is not confirming that. What if he wins a state? What if he wins Utah? What if he wins a state that has six electoral votes? That's not unrealistic. You senator from there, right?

A lot of independent type minded people. What if he could potentially win Arizona? That's where it gets really interesting, right? A lot of independent type minded people. What if he could potentially win Arizona? That's where it gets really interesting, right? So is Joe Biden counting on the math to win Arizona, but it brings down the threshold for the Republicans. So you need 270 electoral votes to win. Utah has six electoral votes. Nevada has six electoral votes. Mitt Romney or Joe Manchin, they're not going to get to 270, but they're enough to play spoiler. But spoiler for who? Well, that's where it gets even more interesting, Megan. Take a state like Pennsylvania. So Pennsylvania, if you have five different candidates,

Donald Trump by far has the most enthusiastic base of any candidate that will be running in Pennsylvania. So if you have Jill Stein that gets 2% and Cornel West that gets 2% and Manchin and Romney that get 8% and Donald Trump gets 38% and Joe Biden gets 37%, that's just some rough math off the top of my head. Well, now all of a sudden you're looking at Donald Trump being president or as I mentioned before the break, nobody gets to 270. And that means it will go to the US House of Representatives. And then it gets really fun where the House of Representatives decides the president, but each state gets one vote. So each state votes as a delegation. So Wyoming gets the same vote as California. And in the current composition, Republicans have a two-seat edge in that way.

That would, what would they call that? They would say that was a constitutional crisis is what they would call it. But in some ways, Megan, this is inevitable. It's inevitable because you have a president who is incredibly radical, who doesn't care about the needs, wants, and interests, has been doing stuff so out of the mainstream of the country.

And you think about it, everything in our country is highly customized. How you order your food, how you watch your Netflix, and people are now demanding that same sort of customization in their politics, right? We're like, well, maybe I'm more like RFK or Jill Stein and they don't want to have to fit into a two-party model. And the question is, who does that benefit the most? I believe that it helps Donald Trump. His base is immovable. And especially in the states that matter, I think that it could be a defining aspect to his victory. Just a little color. That was fascinating analysis on the RFK factor. At least according to this Bloomberg poll, now, he's pulling near equal support away from Biden and Trump about 8% of voters he's taking from, uh, I think Trump and, uh, 7% of Biden, but, or vice versa. And in any event right now, he's pulling equally from both. We'll see,

we'll see because no one's really taking him seriously or taking serious shots at him. Charlie Kirk stays with us So much more to get to. So, Charlie, I wanted to go over a couple of things that we were just talking about, which is the losses the other night and what's to blame for them and whether, you know, the ignoring some of the culture issues of the GOP debate. There is a think piece, I think I think is in today's New York Times by Jamal Bowie. This guy's, you know, he's one of those radical woke leftists. And he writes, the GOP's culture war shtick is wearing thin with voters. Of course, this was inevitable. He writes, if the results of Tuesday's elections in Virginia, Kentucky and Ohio tell failed bill that would have required schools to notify

parents if there was any hint a child was interested in transgender identity. The horror, Charlie, the horror. Segura lost his race and Youngkin and his fellow Republicans failed to either flip the state Senate or hold on to the House. Then he talks about Ohio. Some Ohio Republicans also tried to turn their fight against a reproductive rights initiative, that's the pro-abortion thing, into a battle over transgender rights, falsely stating that the wording of the amendment would allow minors to obtain gender affirming surgeries. OK, that's not what they are without parental consent. On Tuesday, Ohio's voters backed the initiative in spite of that messaging, 56 to 43%. And then he closes with, ironically, given the Republican Party's strategic decision to link the two, you know, trans and abortion, there is the chance that

when fused together with support for abortion rights, vocal opposition to the rights of transgender people becomes a clear signal for extremist views. The vibe is off, one might say, and voters have responded accordingly. So he has turned everything that happened on Tuesday into a rejection of, quote, culture war issues involving surgeries in which you're chopping minor children's body parts off, which he thinks that the opposition to that is a problem. Yeah, I think we have to look at this honestly. I think you're hitting it perfectly, Megan. Some of the culture war issues are major winners and some we have to really do

work on. Now, I'm 100% pro-life, but also we have to be honest that we've spent so much attention and time in the last couple of decades trying to win the legal argument on abortion. We are not winning the moral argument or doing a good enough job of messaging on that. And I could go into depth of how I think we could do a much better job on that. And especially when it comes to these ballot referendums, it's clear that the American people, at least from a 55 to 60% margin, they want some form of access to abortion as an insurance policy or as a just-in-case, last-resort type measure. And the enthusiasm plus the money and the infrastructure that Democrats are spending around these issues and mobilizing especially young women and suburban women on these issues

are proven to be decisive. But Megan, I think a retreat from the culture war would be a massive mistake, especially on the trans issue. The trans issue is a major winner. In fact, I think we have the Democrats on defense on this issue, which is the very same people that might get very emotional about the abortion issue. I think they actually, in some ways, would equally get as emotional if you tell them that, for example, in California, that a bill died in the California legislature

saying that we just want to notify a parent if your kid is currently taking quote unquote, gender affirming care, aka chemical castration. So I look at this across the landscape and I say, look, a lot of work to do on the abortion topic and issue, especially going on in 2024. How do we message about it? How do we handle it from a policy perspective? How do you handle it federally versus state, sending it to the states, and also doing it in a compassionate yet effective way as Republicans and conservatives, understanding that still about half the country feels the way I do and has pro-life beliefs, but also I'm not going to live under any delusions of grandeur and say that these election results are necessarily promising for legislative objectives in that way. But if we look at

the 2024 election, if the election is solely about abortion, if that's it, then I think Republicans are going to lose. There are 50 or 60 other issues that I think voters are very worried about. Border, economic anxiety, inflation, deficit spending, what's going on with wars, coupled with many of the trans stuff, parents' rights, education, school choice, crime, I could keep on going. And so, look, this is where the RNC really should play a leadership role, which is identifying we have a messaging issue, identifying that we have a problem communicating to these voters, bringing the different tribes together, figuring out how to get onto the same message. The Democrats are so good on this, Megan. They bring in all their different people and they're, oh, it's a threat to our democracy and threat to our democracy. They all say very similar stuff. There's no such, there is no similar coordinated messaging program on our side whatsoever. It's just kind of all,

well, I read it on Twitter and now we're going to use it. It's actually miraculous at how coordinated the American right becomes without any sort of central operating cohesion. The final thing I'll say is this though, is that parents' rights, regardless of the spin of that, is a winning issue. Parents' rights is a winning issue, especially with Hispanic voters. Hispanic and black voters have high distrust of educational institutions that are trying to trans their kids, you know, from boys to girls or girls to boys. Okay, so this leads me to this amazing clip

that you guys call to our attention, and it's spectacular. You talked over the past hour about sort of the factions within the Democratic Party and how things are fracturing. And you just mentioned how there's a split, you know, Muslim men, they're not in Muslims in general, not into the trans thing, not nor Hispanics, nor black men. I don't know that black women are enjoyed either other than the super woke ones. I mean, I had black friends when we were living in New York City who this was like their number one issue and they were

actively working to keep the shit out of the schools. This is it was a hardcore no for them, the trans stuff. So in any event, you're seeing that that come to fruition a bit on the streets as these pro-Palestinian protesters, like who are Antifa-ish in some cases, are now finding themselves. I'm sorry, the pro-Palestinian protesters out there finding themselves with the pro-trans Antifa-like people. They call them trans-Tifa that are out there who are the most rabid protesters that exist. And this clip is absolute gold. Where did it happen, you guys? Do we know where this was from? It was in London. It was this Billboard Chris, I think it is. Yeah, this is in London. Yeah, this is in London. so billboard chris is like a servant to humanity he this guy is amazing he goes out there with his billboards calling attention to what's being done to children and uh and just a point on charlie's

comment about chemical castration if you don't believe him go look up what the mayo clinic says happens to your kid if you put them on puberty blockers and then move them exactly to cross hormones go look up what the mayo clinic says on it. They back Charlie Kirk up, okay? So just stop with the censorship and the judgment. So Billboard Chris goes out there trying to call attention to this problem, as outlined by the Mayo Clinic and others, and he gets attacked, but he does it. He goes, it doesn't matter. He takes all the barbs and arrows. And in this particular instance, he was in the middle of some pro-Palestinian protesters. But then in comes what I think is trans Tifa. And watch, watch the gold that ensues.

This guy is trying to propagate anti-LGBTQ, anti-LGBTQ propaganda. He's trying to tell children that they are not allowed to be trans. Yeah, they're not. Suck your mum, bro. You're black, you're unpolished, you're not a man, my boy. You can't do that. So we don't agree with your faith. Thank you.

What religion are you? What religion are you? Catholic. Who are you then? What do are you? What are you then? What do you identify yourself as? What do you identify as? What do you identify as? He doesn't have a religion.

What do you identify yourself as? You don't have to be filming. Okay, so for the listening audience, what happened there is this guy wearing the mask and the hoodie and all black. I don't know if he's part of Antifa or what, but he's dressed like those trans Tifa protesters do. And he goes out there and he gets in Billboard Chris's face. He's upset because Billboard Chris is calling attention to the issue. And he tries to recruit these pro-Palestinian protesters who've got like the scarf on that we see in all these things.

And he's like, he is he is drawing negative attention to the trans community. And they're like, right on. That's right. Well, what Bill first, just a quick takeaway on Billboard, Chris, what a great example of how one man can make a big impact. He just decided to show up and do the work, 2,500 hours of activism, and he has changed millions of minds and inspired hundreds of thousands of people. I think it's so inspiring and encouraging. Everyone in the audience, you could be like Billboard, Chris. He self-describes himself as not having any sort of special talent i think his superpower is his courage and his grit i think that is a superpower

and but he says look i'm just a normal guy and the west will be saved by normal guys like guys and gals like billboard chris so i just want to just brag on him we had him on our podcast he was amazing i was blown away by his attitude and his humility and his servant type discipline. Okay. So, so Billboard Chris goes there and you see really exposed there, Megan, something that everyone I think needs to be made aware of, which is intersectionality. I happen to be really well-versed in this because I fight it every single day on college campuses and on its surface, it's comical, right? But below the surface, it's horrifying, which of course, I just, I can't get over it. I was at UCLA and they have, you know, the 1300 people from the river to the sea, Palestine

will be free. They're protesting outside and I'm just watching. And then you have these people draped in the gay flag and the trans flag with the Palestinian flag from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. And, you know, it says queers for Palestine. And I, I'm like, do you guys talk ever? Do you guys compare notes like on worldview? You know, just how do they treat the gay community in Gaza?

And again, that's the simple take. And that's important to expose. And that video shows it because they start fighting. It shows, by the way, how fragile their coalition is. It shows the fault lines. And I can be honest, the right, we have a lot of problems. We're constantly debating our fault lines. We know where everyone stands. That person's a neocon and that person is that. It shows that we are the true ambassadors of free speech on our side because we're constantly

arguing with one another. They're right there like, well, what do you mean? We don't believe in this. And so what goes to this is that intersectionality is the combination of different forces, different viewpoints, different religions that all might be identified as oppressed against a bigger oppressor. Kimberly Crenshaw was the author of intersectionality, where you get groups that otherwise might have stated contradictions to work in harmony with one another to thwart, to challenge, to oppose, or to try to destroy a bigger or greater evil. And the Palestine-Israel issue is exposing this, where you see many of these groups that otherwise would hate one another, as you see demonstrated in that video, working together in tandem to oppose America, to oppose Israel. And we can go through the whole gauntlet. This is exactly why the socialist group was the first group, Megan,

to host a Hamas-sympathizing rally on October 8th, the day after the attacks in Israel. A socialist group. What is a group that ostensibly is about workers' rights and unionization and one, two, three, F the bourgeoisie, and all about Marxist liberation of the world working class and the workers of the world unite? Why are they the first group to host radical Muslims on the streets of New York saying some of those vile stuff that we still have documented in the last month, Megan. What is that all about? Why is that Black Lives Matter Chicago

Global Network, they've deleted the post, but why were they quick to post a paraglider? What does Black Lives Matter that is all about black liberation and police brutality and criminal justice reform, what do they have to do with a struggle happening 5,000 miles away? It's because in intersectionality, one struggle is all of their struggles. Their identity is going after the big Satan, the big oppressor. And they label that as colonialist Western civilization rooted in white supremacy. and they're willing to then combine forces under the guise of social justice liberation. What we need to do is more videos like that, is show that their army is built with warring tribes that temporarily have a detente to oppose us when in reality they hate each other that there there is

the trans tifa and the muslim groups if they spoke for one minute their coalition would completely fall apart yeah that's all it took like you said have you guys talked to each other because uh like it didn't even require somebody to say have you seen his black nail polish it's a dude and he's got that and she was like all over it, it's a no, no, there will be no coalition team billboard. It was pretty spectacular. All right. You you mentioned sort of BLM and how a lot of this stuff got started. BLM was around, of course, before George Floyd. And one of the cases that really brought it into existence several years ago, I was on Fox primetime at the time was Freddie Gray in Baltimore.

Now, bear with me on this. You don't know where I'm going, but I'm going to walk you through it. Freddie Gray was this guy who allegedly was given a rough ride by these Baltimore police officers, and he ultimately died. He was a black suspect who they said they threw him in the back of this police van, rode around wildly while he was handcuffed and he was allegedly shook from side to side of the of the police van and died. And the the D.A. at the time in Baltimore was a woman named Marilyn Mosby. I don't know if you remember this, Charlie, because I know you're so young. I always feel like when I reference back to the mid teens. You were probably in like high school. But Marilyn Mosby, yeah, she made national news because it was a powder keg. You know, this guy Freddie Gray had died.

This homeless guy is a drug addict. He has all sorts of problems with the police. And they were saying these white cops, you know, killed him. They put him in the back of this van and they killed him. Except it all fell apart. There were all sorts of witnesses to say that that's a lie. It didn't happen, whatever. But she would not listen.

And she allowed the protests in Baltimore, which set things on fire. And the whole country was watching this. Like, are you it was the beginning of the erosion of the rule of law, right? Like, you're the D.A. Prosecute the people who are they're setting off Molotov cocktails and throwing them at cop cars. What are you doing? She allowed it and she made it

as so many of these intersectionality people do about her and her people. In one of my favorite clips of all my news career, here's Marilyn Mosby in SOT 16. To the youth of this city, I will seek justice on your behalf. This is a moment. This is your moment. And as young people, our time is now. This is a moment. This is your. No, it's not. It's about one man and six police officers.

And what happened in the back of that van? So she was completely motivated by all these forces that you and I are just discussing. Well, Marilyn Mosby did go after those six cops and they all either wound up acquitted or with hung juries. And then of course, the feds came in to try to cause trouble for them too. But she railroaded those guys. They didn't, they did not kill anyone. That's not what the juries found. She wouldn't let it go. She wouldn't let it go. She wouldn't let it go. So what happened to Marilyn Mosby? Something interesting. She has now been convicted on two counts of perjury by a federal jury. Oh, Marilyn, your moment. It's not going very well. Is this your moment? Is this your time?

I do think this is our moment. The federal jury reached a verdict on Thursday, finding her guilty of perjury after she falsely claimed financial hardship during the COVID-19 pandemic in order to withdraw money from the city's retirement fund. Now, this had come up earlier. She'd been accused of this when she was running for reelection. And one of the constituents in Baltimore was like, hey, you did a bunch of shit. You took money out. You claim financial hardship when you were making $250,000 a year to get money to go get two houses, two extra houses for yourself. Why should we vote for you? And listen to her once again, playing the victim, playing one of the intersectionality

cards because she's a black woman. Listen here in SOT 17. I'm concerned right now, given the optics of your situation, how any person in Baltimore can feel comfortable with a state's attorney who spends time in Florida flaunting a annual salary of $250,000 and then decides to do what many people in our city can't do, take money out of their pension funds so they can flip houses. I think that I'm being racially and politically and personally, they're being attacked. It was the race. That's why that constituent attacked her. Well, a federal court disagrees and now she is convicted. Two

counts of perjury and faces two more counts of making false mortgage applications in a pending federal case related to the purchase of those two Florida vacation homes. I'm sorry, but it's totally delicious. I love the whole story. She was hoisted on her own petard and her attempts to claim my race did not work. And the law in the end won here, both in the case of those cops, in those trials she brought and in the case of the trial brought against her. I remember the story when it was happening and I remember it was after Ferguson, if I remember correctly. And it was another chapter in kind of the BLM brewing of America. Now, what we saw with Floyd Apalooza was kind of workshopped with Hands Up, Don't Shoot, Michael Brown.

And what is the through line of so many of these things, Megan, is that the truth came so much later. Remember that CNN panel with all those people and they had the hands up? Do you remember that famous image where all five of them had the hand? It never happened. He never had the hands up, don't shoot. And that was obviously in Missouri. Look, this doesn't shock me. And it's a tragedy because the people of Baltimore deserve better than this. Baltimore is honestly one of America's saddest cities. It is. They cannot find a kid that can read at grade level in Baltimore. The crime is through the roof. Literally, they cannot find a kid in fifth or sixth grade in all the public schools

in Baltimore that can read at grade level. And go figure that the actual person in charge of enforcing crime, she herself is a criminal. But of course, it's the race card. And instead of taking responsibility for your own actions, she wants to play the victim. There's another clip making the rounds today, which is also perfect along these lines. I'm sure you've seen it. But this woman gets pulled over by the cops. And it's like you couldn't find a more polite, nice police officer. I mean, he's just like officer friendly. He pulls her over because it looked like she was drunk driving, I guess. And she tries to play every victim card in the book. And the cop is just like a model of professionalism. We almost never, I always tell my team, don't, don't cut soundbites that are more than a minute long. Like it's too long for television or, um, on screen. It's just

my experience. Audiences don't like it. This one's two minutes. We're going to play every second. It's worth it. Watch and listen. I'm like really bad social anxiety. And so I get you right back here, please. Miss Perry. Am I? I'm non-binary. So, I okay what do you go by hi how can I refer to you tonight okay okay hey I'm smelling alcohol you know how much have you consumed tonight I need to run you through some tests right now stand facing me please but I just want you know that I also have very bad social anxiety you and me both. Okay.

Okay? Any recent head trauma, traumatic brain injuries, anything I need to know about? Mental, yes. Focus on my finger, please. I am. You're just, like, trying to intimidate me. I don't know how I'm trying to do that. This is the test. As you know, as an indigenous person and there's a

bunch of going around, I'm sorry, but it's just for me to be on my toes. I get you. Can you remember that I told you that I'm non-binary? Yeah, I'll try my hardest. I'll refer to you as Kai, right? Yes. Perfect. I need to know if you have any injuries or anything that would prevent you from doing a standard walk or a turn tonight. Mental health. Any physical injuries? Mental, yeah. Can you not call me man, please? I'm trying my hardest.

Okay, well. Okay. It means a lot to me. I'm trying my hardest. I don't feel like a man, so. Okay. It's kind of triggering. Right foot in front of your left nope go back I apologize let's

see if we can move forward from it generational trauma and PTSD around white people and cops. I don't. Don't resist. That is unbelievable. Thank you, God. Wonderful clip. I had to write it down.

So Megan, I got she's's non-binary, indigenous. Did you get, she got anxiety? Did you hear that? She only said that six times. Mental health, PTSD, white people, and my favorite, generational trauma. It's just, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just in, it's in the DNA.

It just, I, there's nothing I could do about it. And what I love is God bless this officer is that he was just like, all right, I'm trying my best. Okay. Thank you. Trying my best. I, this is going to sound a little wild for some of your audience. That behavior is trained on college campuses, that behavior that, that is no, it is, which is, it's not your fault. It's find some sort of excuse, some sort of identity, some sort of badge. She there. Is it a sheer? I couldn't get straight. Is it actually a man or is it a woman? Won't it's it's it looks to be very clearly like a white woman who's claiming to be not a woman and not white but what indigenous what are you irish like i mean give me a break it's just like this is this whole right yeah exactly which is that that it is the one of the most unbelievably powerful videos i've seen of the oppression olympics on display which is i don't get special points it was every single box right it was and

by the way we can laugh at it, but how is that video any different than how we do our college admissions, Megan? How is that video any different? Oh my God, that's a great point. How is that any different? Because if you write an essay to get into Stanford and I'm indigenous and I'm non-binary,

I suffer from generational trauma, mental health, PTSD, and I don't like white people, the Dean of Stanford would say, congratulations, you get a full ride. We'd love to have you. No, I can't wait till child. She's going to get up there and say, I identify as sober.

And he just misunderstood. It's like she actually tried to blame her failure of the sobriety walk. Of course. One foot on the fact that he had called her ma'am. You know, it's just the ma'am thing. It was very, very triggering. Good luck.

She's going to try to raise that at trial, I'm sure. We laugh about this, but if you read the critical theory literature, this is where the legal system will end up. Where, I mean, think about it. We have prosecutors that say we need to allow people of color out and accommodate them. The next step is going to be, well, if you're suffering from non-binary, indigenous, anxiety, mental health, PTSD, hatred of white people, generational trauma, we'll give you a pass. The generational trauma is the best. It's just like that's the kicker. At that point, it's I've thrown everything at.

And I say, what else do I got? I'm I'm a two spirit. I was waiting for that one. I'm a two spirit. Evergreen College. That's what they are yelling at Brett Weinstein. We come from slaves. They, too, wanted the generational trauma thing because of what

happened a couple hundred years ago. It's a no. I love it all. They're exposing themselves bit by bit. And what's happening on the college campuses couldn't, you know, you're exactly right. We have an update on that. Some of the poster nonsense. I'll take a quick break. Come back with that. Loving the discussion today with Charlie Kirk, as I always do. Stand by. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of The Megyn Kelly Show on Sirius XM. It's your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal, and cultural figures today. You can catch The Megyn Kelly Show on Triumph, a Sirius XM channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love. Great people like Dr. Laura, Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace, Dave Ramsey, and yours truly, Megyn Kelly. You can stream The Megyn Kelly Show on SiriusXM

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That was a Maya Angelou quote. Meet one of the latest members of the hostage poster, take down hall of shame, stop antisemitism. Great, great account to follow on X posted this clip of a young blonde woman giggling as she tore down poster after poster of the victims of those Hamas kidnappings. Watch. Why are you taking those down? Why are you laughing? That's not funny. It's not a genocide. They're kidnapped individuals. So funny. So cute. As is so often the case, that lovely lady has now been identified. According to Stop Anti-Semitism, her name is Rachel Burney. And of course, Rachel is currently in a Ph.D. program at the University of Southern California and is a teaching assistant in the physics department as well. Good luck to the Jewish students under Rachel. She apparently played soccer at Wesleyan College in Connecticut. There's her team picture still

smiling there. Twenty twenty one roster picture showing her Rachel's originally from Redmond, Washington, Washington state that is starting to make sense. And there are unconfirmed reports that she may actually be the daughter of a very prominent politician there. Of course, if it is the same Bernie, her mother was just reelected mayor of Redmond, Washington, ran for reelection this week. I'm going to guess she's a Democrat. Yeah, she's a Democrat. Charlie Kirk. Nice.

So the physics TA and getting her Ph.D. at USC in science and math. She thinks it's hilarious. All those kidnapped babies and their suffering. Such a fun laugh. I mean, these are sick people. First of all, some people say, why are you outing these kids? She's getting a PhD. This is not a kid. This is someone who's thinking about writing a dissertation. This is someone who's going to be in charge of instruction. This person deserves to be publicized. And any decent board that would then read a PhD, like, sorry, we're not going to grant you a PhD. You're kind of similar to a Nazi, to be perfectly honest.

And here's what drives me nuts, Megan. This is one of the tragedies of the left. There's a lot. I have a list. It's the dilution of language. For example, after January 6th, everyone became a terrorist. Recently, if you dare say anything in the last couple of years, you're a Nazi. You're a bigot. What happens when we need to use those words, Megan? Well, they don't mean anything. Now we say, oh, you're a terrorist sympathizer. People say, eh. The left has cheapened language so significantly. So now when I say that you're tearing down posters that are of Israeli people that are hostages that are Jews, and you're just tearing them down, what exactly do you think you're doing? Getting a good chuckle out of that? No, these are people that morally are no different than we're facilitating the trains

to Dachau. I know that might sound radical to some people, but it is very similar type of behavior. No, I think it is morally right within the same ballpark. And so where does this come from? I mean, Jew hatred, anti-Semitism, but this is what's so unbelievably important about this. If you took Rachel Burney after that very moment and you say, what are you doing here? She thinks she's doing the right thing, Megan. She thinks she's doing the right thing. Because Israel's committing a genocide- Speaking of word delusion. Yes, but yes, exactly. But this is one of my big takeaways. I think we way overemphasize this, even some conservatives at times. Intentions don't matter. The action matters.

She herself thinks she's doing something righteous when she's doing something evil. I get this all the time in the trans debate, for example, Megan. A young man came up to an event back in the spring. This clip has gone viral. It's been seen 50 million times. He said, Charlie, I think you're giving Dylan Mulvaney or Thomas a bad thing. There's no evidence that the intention is to cheat. And we

need to be very clear. The intention doesn't matter. The action itself is evil. And this Rachel Burney, she thinks that she's a crusader for righteousness. She thinks she's doing the right thing when in reality, she's missing her SS uniform. She should really, speaking of uniforms, spend some more time thinking about those shorts she was wearing. It was not a good choice, Rachel. You need a little bit more attention on the fashion. Megan, you're allowed to say that. I'm not saying that, but I totally agree I totally know you were thinking it. You were thinking the same as I was. And I don't care. I want to mock her. She's disgusting to me. She deserves my scorn and yours as well. And so does this woman. We don't have a lot of editorial on it, but I do want to show it in Brooklyn, who looks to be college age, who it's just a video. So if you're listening, go back and look at she's look at she's angrily knifing the hostage poster.

She's got the headscarf on. She's angrily like cutting. It looks like a Jack the Ripper type slicing at the photos. She, like the anger at the kidnapped children, at the little babies who right now don't have diapers or food or supplies or their mothers. She's really pissed off. They might be dead to be honest. Yeah, they might be dead. Let's just be honest. I mean, and by the way, there's 20 Americans. By the way, Megan, just the kind of a buried lead here. How many Americans are still being held hostage? Joe Biden has played a big game here. We might be having an Iran hostage crisis and no one is talking about this. I mean, just so we're clear there, it's like one of them. It's one of the most obvious stories. Like where is the regime media saying,

hey, can we get an answer of how many American passport holders are still being held hostage and who are they? Yeah, Joe Biden's really pulled a fast one on us on this one. So I think we have to really kind of recalibrate our attention and put some, because he's trying to do everything he can to avoid a hostage type crisis. Anyway, side note there. But yeah, that sort of rage, that sort of resentment is widespread. If you build your worldview based on hating the other, which is the left, then you could drive yourself to belligerently knifing a poster that says, help find the missing Jewish children. No, I mean, we are just beginning the descent into moral darkness. And if there's any positive of this, Megan, if there's any positive of this, I've seen more Jewish Americans, to their credit, wake up and realize that they have been swindled by the Marxists than the left. And I'm pleased to see that trend. The awakening is wide open right now.

COVID brought a lot of people away from the traditional kind of institutional way of viewing health, medicine, and government. BLM opened a lot of people's eyes to education and police and crime. We saw the trans thing open a lot of women's eyes to the nonsense of empathy, compassion, and tolerance. And if this opens people's eyes, especially Jewish Americans who tend to be on the left, to realize that maybe their donations, what they've been subsidizing in reality is underwriting and creating the next generation of mini-Hitlers. I want to get back to this issue with the pro-Palestinian protesters and what they're doing. But just a quick aside, I pulled the headlines. I knew you'd be interested in this as I was on the trans thing and what the radical left is doing and the language that you discussed, how they manipulate it. family from its regulations. So there's a new rule that's been proposed just now by President Biden, his Department of HHS, Health and Human Services, seeking to quietly redefine family by ridding

child support regulations of biological terms like mother, father and paternity. They want to replace words describing female and male parents with gender neutral words like parentage, parentage. There's no more mothering or fathering or mother or father. And they also want to get rid of his and her and replace them uniformly with their just bit by bit. They take these things away. And to me, it gets me so angry the more I read about it, because what's happened here, people need to remember this. What's happened here is men, biological men who are not well, who are clearly having some sort of mental breakdown, illness, struggle, pick your choice, have decided that

they want to pose as women. They want to dress as women. They want to have their body parts cut off and have fake women parts put all over them. Then they want to take our womanhood and the terms that define it away from us. They want to get rid of breastfeeding. They want to get rid of the term woman. They want to say you're you're a vagina haver. I mean, they and we are allowing them in the name of tolerance. We are allowing them to erase womanhood, these sick biological men. And and now you have the federal government, the Biden administration going along with it. I realize these language changes are not the entire issue, Charlie, but this issue of what they're doing to children, what they're doing to women is a huge issue. And it's why the other day,

after the big losses on Tuesday, I was saying, look, even if you're as pro-life as they come, you know, Lila Rose, she's the most pro-life person I know. And I love and respect what she does. But we need to win elections. There are a lot of issues that are deeply important

to more than half the country. I'm sorry, but full bans on abortion are going to have to wait. The public's not there and we're having an invasion at the southern border. I really think that's a fair term

at this point. And we're mutilating children. YouTube, that's my word. Go ahead and cut it out if you don't like it. And yet we're losing all these elections because we're singularly focused on this one thing. In any event, I just wanted to raise that with you because I know you're as upset about the language and the erosion by the federal government as I am. Yes.

Well, first of all, I just want to say I'm equally as passionate about life as Lila Rose. I'm a monthly donor to the organization. I am a little bit of a contrarian voice that if you don't win, you get none of your pro-life objectives. And there are other issues that are life issues as well. And I got in a little bit of a texting debate. It was mutual. It was great. It was a person who's a pro-life leader. And he says, Charlie, we should never back away from the pro-life issue. I said, hear me out. I said, the trans issue is a pro-life issue. I said, hear me out. I said, the trans issue is a pro-life issue.

I said, you're chopping kids. Just hear me out. You are chopping off kids' parts off at 12 years old. You know, we as pro-life advocates believe that, you know, if you terminate someone eight months in the womb, that that is immoral and wrong. But it's also wrong to chop off a 12-year-old's parts and not tell the parent. And that issue is right now a winning motivational issue that is around this kind of culture of life that I think we want to protect. It is a culture of death. And you know this, Megan, to say to a 14 year old, to give them a false promise,

we're going to stop puberty, put you under multiple hours of surgery that you could somehow become the thing that you're not. And you might have regret one day and there's no reversing it. This is medieval torture and the medical equivalent of lobotomies. And we're supposed to say that this is gender affirming care. And one of the things that has animated in the last couple of days is that there's a lot of people say, oh, young women are voting Democrat in major numbers. And there is some truth to that. We see it on campuses. Young men are actually becoming far more right wing than ever before. And they had this Virginia ad that's super cringe, but apparently it worked of very pink

and Barbie and young ladies, look at what you made me do with the Taylor Swift song and very kind of feminist rights and this whole thing. I know you saw the ad or not, Megan. It was kind of cringe, but apparently it worked and millions of dollars. Yeah, I'd love your analysis on it offline. But it's like, okay, got it. Vote for Democrat, vote for your abortions. And I guess this is just, I'm never going to get what we want here. Is there a whisper, just like a little bit of a crumb of all this feminist girl boss Barbie energy towards, I don't know,

making sure womanhood continues to exist. And I know that this is kind of a cliche thing to say now, where are the feminists? Where are they? But if the entire political movement now is all about a singular issue that is woman's rights, isn't the question that, I don't know, Dylan Mulvaney calling himself a woman, a woman's rights issue? And Megan, help me understand this, because is it that women are more agreeable than men and they don't want to fight on this issue? There's some amazing women fighting out such as yourself, but where is the revolution in the streets that this warrants? I'm not asking rhetorically. I don't know.

You know, look, part of what makes women absolutely beautiful is their emotionality, their softness. They can be hard and they can be soft, but their softness that, you know, comes in levels that are typically not in your average male. That's part of what makes us attractive, I think, to men and to the world. And these predators prey on it. They take our daughters at the high school, even before now, and the college level, and they prey on that natural empathy and emotionality to try to say you're a bad person unless you support these people. And they don't even tell

the other story. They don't show the young girl in Massachusetts who's just got her face bashed in by the field hockey player. That's correct. Yes, that's right. Who is a boy. And she's screaming. They don't show the girl. And she's screaming. Yes. And the girls are horrified.

The other girls are deeply traumatized. You can see it. They don't show that clip. So they're taking advantage of these women and then they're pushing them out onto the streets. And so then they're thinking, I'm just a bad person unless I support this guy and forgetting that it's a guy thinking, okay, it looks like a woman. He wants me to call him a woman. What harm could it do? That's where I used to be. I've said it before. And then finally, you just look around.

If you just open your eyes, you see the harm. And so you can be forgiven for your prior positions, but you can't be forgiven for not opening your eyes now, right now, right now, the eyes must be open. Amen. Amen. No, that makes a lot of sense. And I just, they are weaponizing, let's say, the best intentions and the heart of compassion for young women to be indifferent towards the trans issue. And it's a moral tragedy what we are living through. And Megan, you deserve great credit. You have opened up many people's eyes, including people in my immediate circle that don't agree with me politically on this issue. I hope you know how persuasive

and effective you've been on it. And you need to continue. You need to keep on doubling and tripling down. There's very few people in public life that are willing to take the stands you've taken. And it's very important. Well, thank you for saying that. I would be remiss if I didn't mention all the women who have influenced me.

I mean, online, I found so many great mentors and teachers from Carrie and Britt who come on here all the time to Kelly J. Keene. There's just so many, too many for me to mention here. So my apologies to them all. But I've had a lot of them on the show. Helen Joyce is brilliant. Anyway, thank you for that. So let me flip back to Abigail Schreier. She started it all. Sorry. I know I am going to forget to name them. I want to get back to Palestinian-Israeli conflicts because I've teased the story at the trans issue, but it's done like a couple of

mildly fair pieces. So they had all this blowback and all these letters. And now with Israel, they're totally pro Hamas at the New York Times. They really are. I mean, just read their coverage, read their headlines. They just hired a literal Hitler, Hitler lover that he actually posted. Hitler, you are so great. It wasn't ambiguous, Charlie. It was, I think, literally those words. Yeah, no problem. But, you know, it's not enough for these pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas marchers who decided to take over the New York Times lobby. Here's some video of them on the outside, like inside the building, I think. Let's watch it. Okay. Yeah. So it's video where they're, they got inside. Look at the number of people for the listening audience. There's out there at first they are

outside and then we'll show them inside, but they were, they're everywhere. I mean, there are thousands they've, they've, they've spray painted IDF KKK on NYPD cop cars. They've graffitied a lot, a lot of cop cars in the area. And then they decide to go into the Times building and try to shame the New York Times. Suicide now. Muhammad Jaroun killed by apartheid Israel on October 7th, 2023. Cease fire now. A hundred and five people. Wait, what? Killed in Gaza by apartheid Israel in October. I don't even know what she's saying. Because the only people who were killed on October 7th were the Israelis and not some apartheid Israel.

What do you make of it? Because now, back to your point of the left eating its own, more evidence of it right here. Yeah, first of all, they had a ceasefire on October 6th, and they decided to end it. So, tough. Second point is that, I mean, I delight. Yeah, exactly. You declare war. You don't get to complain that the person you declared war on is now beating you at war.

Like, we want a ceasefire. No, you're sad you're losing, and you guys declared war. Sorry, tough luck. You killed 1,500 Jews. You targeted civilians. You are still holding them hostage. You went to concerts. Your own detailed military plans that have been made public, and anybody skeptical can look at this. Go look through now the public documents. This was not, let's go to the military base. Let's not go after the tanks or try to go after some sort of missile configuration system. They had detailed plans to civilian, ceasefire now, ceasefire now. Well, you guys had a ceasefire and you ended it. And now you're complaining that you're losing. Okay. So as far as New York Times, I delight in this. I love it. I hope that every single one of the activist groups that the New York Times has played footsie with that they have tried to

defend. By the way, BlackRock, same thing. BlackRock, their lobby is getting overrun. And we have said that this is coming for quite some time. It just so happens that the energy, the fervor, the intensity in the Muslim community is such at a fever pitch right now that it is exposing these fault lines in the Democrat Party. And this is one of many to come. The Democrat Party is going to have a civil war over the oligarchy, kleptocracy, billionaires that are funding the Democrat Party, antitrust stuff. There are so many forced marriages, and this is why they have to keep their focus on Donald Trump, Megan. They can keep that coalition together as long as that there's a boogeyman and there's an opposition that they can just say,

oh, fascists, together, they're a threat to our democracy. But the New York Times, quote unquote, paper of record, you could just imagine they'd say, but we've covered you so beautifully. I thought we are on the same team. It's never enough. You will never appease these, I was going to say something, not so gentle people. These passionate protesters as ABCs. Yeah, I was going to say something else, but I've been so behaved, so I was gonna just do that. You have.

I feel like we both have today. It's, as always, been such a pleasure, Charlie Kirk. Love, love, love talking to you. Thanks for being here. Thank you, Megan. Have a great day. Thank you. You too.

And thanks to all of you for joining us all week. Have a great weekend. On Monday, we have Konstantin Kissen here. You remember him? He's the co-host of Trigonometry, and he's been all over this Israel thing? He's the cohost of Trigonometry and he's been all over this Israel thing. He's been so strong on it. Um, you'll love hearing from him and looking forward to bringing you that interview in the meantime, truly have a great weekend.

Enjoy it. It's wonderful. It's fall. Hope you're going to smell some fall leaves and walk through them and spend some good time with your family. Um, I'm actually looking forward to a girl's weekend with two of my besties. I do not have time to be taking this trip. I'm actually looking forward to a girls weekend with two of my besties. I do not have time to be taking this trip. I'm taking it anyway. A little self-nurturing. I look forward to it every year. It's like one of these days we're going to make a movie about it and we're going to call it same time next year, just like that other movie about something like this. And I'll divulge all of our secrets only. I'll put it under other names. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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