The Megyn Kelly Show - Charlie Kirk's Alleged Assassin Taken Into Custody, and Remembering His Incredible Life and Legacy | Ep. 1147

Episode Date: September 12, 2025

Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing the breaking news that the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin has been taken into custody, the details about the 22-year-old suspect, the truth about the "anti-fascist" and bizarre internet memes including about furries engraved on his ammo, what may have led to the radicalization of Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin, the possible role of college in shaping his ideology, how his father recognized him and convinced him to turn himself into authorities, whether the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin will face the death penalty in Utah, Erika and Charlie Kirk's beautiful marriage and relationship, how they met through Turning Point USA, the strong Christian foundation of their relationship, members of the media for using Kirk’s assassination to smear conservatives, and more.PrizePicks: Download the PrizePicks app today and use code MEGYN to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/MEGYNMasa Chips: Get 25% off your first order | Use code MK at https://MASAChips.com/MKJust Thrive: Visit https://justthrivehealth.com/discount/Megyn and use code MEGYN to save 20% sitewideChapter: For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial 276-334-2273 or go to https://askchapter.org/kelly Disclaimer: Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don't directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. They got him. The manhunt is officially over, and that is very good news. President Trump making the surprise announcement on Fox and Friends, this is so classic Trump. You know, somebody called him right before he went out there and said, Mr. President, we think we got the Charlie Kirk assassin. then he just revealed it. I can just picture, like, Cash Patel in his office, like, what? What? What is he doing? What? Who told? Why? Why did he tell? Oh, we have that. Okay, let's watch it. Any updates on the suspect? Yeah. Can I always say, I think, just to protect us all, and so Fox doesn't get sued and we all don't get sued and everything else. But I think with a high degree of certainty, we have him. right now in custody right in custody uh everyone did a great job we worked with the local police the governor everybody did a great job you know getting somebody that you start off with

absolutely nothing and we started off with the clip that made up look like an ant that was almost useless we just saw there there was somebody up there and uh so much work has been done over the last two and a half days you know it's amazing actually when you start off with that and then all of a and you get lucky or talent or whatever it is. But, yeah, I think we're in great shape. That's the perfect. He's in custody. Pretty extraordinary.

Soon thereafter, law enforcement confirming the arrest and Utah's Republican Governor Spencer Cox this morning, describing how it all unfolded and laying out key details about the suspect and what may have motivated the young man who is 22 years old from Washington. Utah. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We got him. On the evening of September 11th, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend

who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office and seen investigators at Utah Valley University. This information was also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 829 a.m.

on September 10th, in which he is observed on video in a plain maroon t-shirt, light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light-colored shoes. When encountered in person by investigators in Washington County on September 12th, the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with those surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years. The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10th, and in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member also

stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate. The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger. Inscriptions on a fired casing read notices bulges, capital OWO, what's this question mark? Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, hey fascist, exclamation point, catch exclamation point up arrow symbol right arrow and a symbol and three down arrow symbols a second unfired casing read oh bella chow bella chow bella chow bella chow chow and a third unfired casing red if you read this you are gay l m a o today we'll bring you the latest and more of charlie kirk the man the husband, the patriot, as we remember his extraordinary life. We're going to start, though, with the suspect, Tyler Robinson.

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So a word on those engravings. First of all, yesterday Stephen Crowder was correct that there were casings that they had engravings on them. least one piece of what was on there was correct, the anti-fascist writings and logos. As for the trans reference, that's unclear. The bullet that they said hit Charlie had words on it that were notices bulges, notices bulges, O-W-O, what is this? And that appears to be a reference to furry culture, which is part of the trans community. It's a bizarre sort of offshoot of the weird trans thing. You can see this from online. It's a meme. And it has some meaning for these weird, bizarre, furry culture people. And also, it's used by gamers connected to that culture. Who the

fuck knows? I'm sorry, but it's something very bizarre. And we're trying to, you know, my mom always used to say when I was growing up, I cannot respond to irrational behavior rationally. And that in a way is what we're trying to do here because we're human and we're seeking meaning and we really don't want this to happen again. So we all feel like if we can find the reason behind this one, then we can prevent the next one because we'll just stop doing the thing that led to the first one. You know, we'll figure out what was the ideology. Okay, we'll look for that ideology and we'll guard against it. That's only natural. All of us want to do that. So I don't know, I don't know what this guy was into. I don't know why he was familiar with

furry culture memes. I don't, I don't, he certainly seems to have been a gamer if you read online what people, how people are reacting to the symbols that he was using on his casings, because the other three are as follows. Hey, fascist, catch with three down arrow symbols. Then there was another one, oh, Bella Chow, Chow like the Italian C-I-A-O, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, which is a reference to an Italian anti-fascist song used against the Nazis. And then the unfired third casing had inscribed on it, if you read this, you are gay, L-M-A-O, laughing my ass off.

So a reference to being gay, a reference to furry culture, and two references to fascism. Bottom line is Crowder was right. And by the way, those who were ripping on him are wrong. But it doesn't tell us that much. I've got to be honest. It's like what we learned today was he doesn't come from a political family.

Michael Schallenberger has been scouring the social media and says he couldn't find one political post in the past 13 years from the mom or the dad. The mom works helping people with disabilities. The dad is in law enforcement. for 27 years, but neither appears to be political at all. And even the son, the murderer, Tyler, does not appear to have been political at all until recent years. People are pointing to the fact that he wore a Trump costume. It was like a, for what it's worth, something that

looked to be diminishing of Trump costume in 2017, where he was, there's a picture of him standing, and then Trump is like sort of, it's like kind of those pants for the listening audience. that you put on, and there's like a costume below you, and it looks like the person's carrying you on their shoulders, and Trump looks like he's carrying this guy, Tyler, on his shoulders here, which, yeah, it's diminishing, and he's with his little brother who's carrying a firearm. I'm not sure what the little brother's costume is, or if it relates at all to what he's doing with Trump. In any event, we have no reason to believe this family was political.

According to Schellenberger, the shooter here was not a registered demonstration. or a registered Republican. He was registered unaffiliated. But you heard the governor describing family members saying that he had gotten more political recently, that he had become more political in recent years, according to family members, that he did not like Charlie Kirk and was explaining at a recent dinner what he did not like about him. He said Charlie was full of hate and spreading hate, and that was as specific as they got. I mean, what's really annoying right now is online. You've got the left, the leftist mob, saying he was a white MAGA Republican Christian gun lover.

Go fuck yourselves. Okay, that's not correct. Yeah, he was white. I think the family was Christian. I haven't seen any evidence that they're Republicans. Certainly not that he was a Republican or that they had any law. love for Donald Trump. If anything, that costume suggests the opposite. And the whole fascist reference is obviously in connection with Charlie's support of Trump. If there's one thing we knew

about Charlie, besides the fact that he was a Christian, was that he loved Donald Trump and proselytize for Donald Trump endlessly. And the left is the one that's been pushing the narrative that he is a fascist at every turn. I mean, read the New York Times. Read the Washington Post. Read the Huffington Post. Read anything online. We'll go to go on X for one hour. Type in fascist in the search bar. See what you come up with. This is a leftist narrative about Trump and about Charlie as his supporter. So, I mean, there's just no question this guy was buying the leftist narrative about Charlie and yes about Donald Trump. And they said he had become more political in recent years. Now, how did that happen? What did he?

do in recent years. He went to college. Guess what college does? It radicalizes young people. I don't know what happened to this particular man, but that is what college does. You know, we had Bill Ackman on this program talking about what happened to his daughter, who went to Harvard, and where they turned her into a Marxist, socialist, communist, which he was still trying to unwind. This is a liberal New York billionaire. That's what Harvard does to your kid. It's just, look, I don't know what happened to this kid at the university.

I'm just saying if we want to talk about circumstantial evidence on radicalization, there's zero for this kid being MAGA or a Republican or in any way in favor of Donald Trump. there's plenty of him hating Donald Trump. People are like, oh, you know, he was just a gamer. The fact that he wrote these things on the bullets just show he was nothing but a gamer. Yeah, okay, you miss the part where, again, he wrote them on bullets with which he shot Charlie Kirk. Fuck these people and their revisionism, their unwillingness to see what's obvious. Clearly, he had hatred in his heart for Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is the one who got executed.

Charlie Kirk, he did not go out and shoot a member of the squad. It's just, how do we reason with these people? It's like, it's right there in front of your face, this kid got radicalized and obviously had some sort of a psychotic break. That's the other piece of it. How many times do we have to see this shit? Like, I'm not surprised one bit to learn he was 22. not even a little, that he was a young man.

We've seen this happen over and over. I am disturbed to see he appears to have come from a loving intact family. And just by disturbed, I mean, were there any warning signs? You know, usually you look at like the background and you see something. You see a repeated mental health history. And to be honest, maybe there will be one. And I'm not ruling out, oh, God, there was that time he killed the family cat. You know, that can still come out.

Who knows? But if you look at the family's social media profile, it looks like a happy family. It looks like a loving mom and a loving dad. He had two younger brothers. There's lots of family photos of them going on vacation and having family dinners. It's just fucking disturbing. Sorry, with the potty mouth, I'm just like so frustrated. And so, you know, it's like, what happened to him?

That's really the question. happened. Here he is with a family dog, maybe on a camping trip of some sort, outside, in nature. And then there was a video that's really interesting to me. And now I'm going to say something controversial, but I'm going to say it. There's a video of him when he got a scholarship into college. He did not go to this college. He got a scholarship to Utah State, where he did wind up going. This was Utah Valley was a different university in Utah where he shot Charlie according to police. But he got he got a scholarship and he did a little video and I just want you to watch it. Okay. Congratulations. You have been selected to receive the resident presidential

scholarship from Utah State University. The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000. This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters. The part that I'm interested in is the end. You can hear his mom, I think, going woo, like a mom would. And then you see this odd, what, 17-year-old, 18-year-old looking very uncomfortable, like awkward, not uncomfortable, but awkward. And then he, too, goes, ooh, in a strange way. And I am just going to guess that this kid is someplace on the spectrum.

He had a perfect 4.0. He aced the ACTs, according to his mother online, and there is such an intense awkwardness about him. I'm just going to guess he had some neurodivergence issues. Now, that doesn't make you a shooter. I have somebody in my own family who I absolutely adore and love and I'm very close to who has pretty significant issues in this realm. And I've numerous times called out people who jump right to, oh, from the spectrum to violence. That's not a thing. That's not a thing. It's just an observation about this kid, maybe having had some challenges, and there'll be more to his story. So I await more to that story. He seems very off to me in this clip. And he appears to have taken the scholarship because he did go, we're told to Utah State, but I don't, Michael Schellenberger was reporting that, sorry, Daily Mail, that he enrolled at Utah State for one semester. in 2021, but then elsewhere online, they've dated that clip as 2022 when he received word of the

scholarship. So I don't know what the truth is. But the Daily Mail is saying that Utah State said he enrolled for one semester in 2021, though that clip shows he had an eight-semester scholarship. An eight-semist. So what happened? Was it, did he make it in college? Did he complete four years of college? And if you only went for one semester, why? What happened? The police said that when he was arrested, he was arrested, I believe at his home, or at least that he was at home when this all went down last night. They described it in the Daily Mail as a $600,000 home with six bedrooms in Washington, Utah, which is 260 miles south of where Charlie was assassinated in Orham, Utah. Now, this is just coming in. More information from the New York Post.

The Tyler Robinson accused assassin of Charlie threatened to kill himself rather than surrender to authorities. Oh, okay, hold on a second. Before I get to this, I'm just going to set up what happened. Okay, now that's in here. So the father recognized his 22-year-old son from the photos of the suspected shooter that were released from the authorities on Thursday. That led the father to confront his son when he returned home to the house, according to sources. This is in the New York Post, and it dovetails perfectly with what Trump revealed on Fox and Friends, which was more, by the way, Trump said to Fox and friends that there was a pastor, a family pastor who called authorities, who called some law enforcement official, and told them that a father had recognized his own son in these photos. and indeed that turned out to be true, though at the presser, they did not mention the family minister. I think they just said the father contacted law enforcement. But now here the New York

Post coloring this in a bit more, and I think CNN had this reporting as well, that the father recognized his 22-year-old son from the photos of the suspected shooter. By the way, credit to the FBI and local law enforcement for enhancing those photos to a more usable version and then making the decision to put them out. You know, it was a judgment. It was a judgment. call they made, that it would help advance the search for the killer. And indeed, it seems to have done exactly that. They were hoping that somebody would recognize him, that someone would recognize the outfit, that someone would recognize the shape of the jaw, the mouth. And by the way, think about it. Think about the people who are in your life every day, you know, Monday through

Friday at the office or Sunday through Saturday at your home. If you saw them in this close-up a photo, like the ones revealed by the FBI over the past day, you'd know, you know your loved ones, notwithstanding the fact that they're wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses, you know, that's a disguise to a stranger, but not to a loved one. So it was a smart move by cash and other law enforcement to say, let's put it out there, let's enhance it so that it's more usable because the original versions were very grainy. They enhanced it. AI can be a force for good. and they put it out there and indeed now the post reporting the father

it was the father who recognized his son, this poor dad that he confronted the son that the son confessed to the horrific shooting when his dad asked if he pulled the trigger but originally refused to turn himself into law enforcement according to sources

he told his father he would rather kill himself leading the father to convince his son to speak with their youth minister. Here it is. Who also happens to be a U.S. Marshal Service, fugitive task force officer. So the son said he would rather kill himself than turn himself in. And the father called their youth minister. The minister then called a deputy with the federal agency. I assume they mean the U.S. Marshal Service.

And the FBI took Robinson into custody. and the headline here was accused Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson threatened to kill himself rather than surrender to authorities after his father confronted him about the sickening murder

according to law enforcement sources I mean that poor dad that poor father you know and that poor mother I couldn't help but notice like I don't know

I was thinking about like the parents of Brian Colberger, who also raised an assassin. Now, Brian Colberg had a long, long history of severe mental problems, and I don't know what culpability if any of the family had in unleashing him on the world without paying proper care to those issues. We need to know more about these parents, too. In all these shootings, whether it's a mass shooting or it's a assassination like we saw with Charlie, we need to know. We need to know. We have a right to know the mental history of the

shooter. So we'll find out more about him, but while both families raised a killer, it is not, you know, that the parents, you have to have some empathy for them because, my God, unlike Kohlberger, however, this family

did contact authorities and convinced their son to turn himself in. The New York Times now reporting that he's being held without bail. That's not a surprise. That he does not have a criminal record. That he was arrested the official charges here on suspicion of aggravated murder. That's a special term, aggravated murder. A felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily harm and obstruction of justice. All felonies, according to an affidavit filed in court. A judge ordered that he be held

without bail. Court records indicate he had not been convicted of any crimes in the past. I mean, now one thing to note is he's young. He's 22 and convicted of any crimes. Okay, but has he been arrested? Unclear. And an immediate search would not show you whether he'd been arrested or convicted of a crime as a juvenile. That all gets sealed. So that's another thing we need to know. Did he have some problems? When he was young, what if anything was done about them? You know, society needs to be protected from people with serial problems. Was he one of them? I don't know. Aggravated murder appears to be a reference to the fact that this wasn't, you know, just a shooting in a park that this was a murder that was committed in such a way so heinously that it would qualify him for the death penalty, which the Oregon, sorry, the Utah governor said last night they intend to seek before they had made this arrest. And you need an enhancement off of regular murder charges in order to, seek the death penalty. There would be one here. He shot at Charlie in a crowded, you know, campus quad. You endangered the lives of untold thousands who were present there. So that would easily qualify. So that's what that's about. And yeah, they'll be seeking the death penalty. I mean, you have to think about this father, presumably, I don't know. I guess I shouldn't presume he had been watching the murder, the, uh, the presser.

Though don't you kind of think he did? He was in law enforcement. And when you have a kid who is really off, you know it. You know it. I'm thinking back about like the Sandy Hook shooter. I don't, he didn't have a criminal past either. He was around this age. He spent all his time in the basement.

Gaming. gaming. And it sounds like this guy was a big gamer too. And what happened with the college? Did he or did he not make it past one semester even though he was on a full scholarship? If he didn't, why not? What happened? Was there a mental health incident? Or was this just bad information? And he did make it through and graduate. We didn't see that exactly. We've seen graduation pictures on the mother's website, but unclear to me at this point what institution that was from high school or college or both going back to the story he yes confessed to his father the dad contacted authorities through a family friend and they lived in a very nice home it was the

home we believe he was in at the time of the crime 600,000 home six bedrooms in Washington Utah again 260 miles away from the crime scene now the authorities today revealing something else of interest, that he showed up to Utah Valley University in a gray Dodge Challenger, that he was wearing an outfit other than the one we saw him in. Again, this is alleged because, you know, they said he confessed to family, but he hasn't officially confessed, so we can't say he did it officially. But in any event, what they alleges that he showed up at the university wearing a different outfit that he had a maroon shirt on and shorts, let's see, plain maroon t-shirt, light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white

logo, and light-colored shoes, that then he changed into that other outfit at some point with the dark blue jeans, the dark long-sleeve shirt with the flag and the eagle on it, and I don't know if he changed the cap, the sneakers would track as they were gray converse sneakers that he changed into that. And then they say that when they arrested him last night at 10 p.m. Utah time, so midnight east coast, he was wearing the original outfit, the plain maroon t-shirt, the light colored shorts, and the black hat with white logo, and the light colored shoes. So that's interesting to me because was he, like all these details were not made clear. You know, we're just, on here, on this, we're shooting darts because I do not believe they said that they arrested him at his home or that when the dad called, they were at the home. I don't know. But why would he be wearing the same outfit at the time of the arrest? That's another, that's another question I have. Let's see, TMZ. Yeah, also reporting that he urged the son to turn himself in, but that the son initially refused. He didn't want to do it originally. And now again, you see,

the Daily Mail adding, or the New York Post adding that, in fact, what he wanted to do was take his own life. And that was something unusual about this crime. So often we've seen these shooters and these, you know, public events wind up taking their own lives. And I mean, if there's one silver lining to what happened at this awful event, it's that not more people were killed. You know, I mean, these kids, they were like sitting duck. down below the shooter. And if he'd been using a different kind of weapon or had more weapons or had more evil in his heart, I suppose he could have decided to take out not just Charlie, but people who were supporting Charlie by showing up. He didn't. And he didn't take his own life.

And that too is a blessing in a way. I have absolutely no empathy for this young man, none. It's better that he's alive. So we can study him a bit. it may be futile. You know, it may be futile. I don't know. But it's worth a shot. It's worth a try because we all have kids. We have kids who need to go to college. We have kids who need to live in this world. We have kids who are going to grow up and go to work in New York City buildings like we saw two months ago where a shooter showed up and started firing, taking out innocence there. We have to figure out the motivations here because It's happening too frequently.

And, you know, our side, the side of reason and rationality, who doesn't just say, ban guns, okay, that wouldn't have helped Irina on the Charlotte Light Rail. You know, like banning the guns, it's totally not possible, and there's 400 million guns in the country. Okay, so it's not possible. It's not practical, and it won't work because killers will kill and they'll find a way. But our side that says it's a mental health issue, and we're right about that, we're determined to figure out what was the issue. How do we intervene earlier in that person's life and get them the hell away from the rest of us? Yes, our first instinct is more good guys with guns, and that makes perfect sense. And in mass shootings, that would help, like at Sension School in Minneapolis with the young Christian children.

Yes, we needed a good guy with a gun there. here, that wouldn't have helped. It wouldn't have helped. You know, it's like, yes, Charlie needed more security. The security plan was very obviously catastrophically flawed. But this is a mental health situation where there needed to be an intervention for this guy earlier. And it's another problem too. And this is the one that the media doesn't want to discuss. And certainly the leftist media won't touch. And that is, the radicalization of somebody who was obviously mentally unwell. He was radicalized. He got more political in recent years. That's what his family is saying. That's not Megan Kelly. That's not Fox.

His family is saying he got more political in recent years, that he was filled with hate. This is what the authority said about this shooter citing his own family, that he did not. like Charlie Kirk, and that he thought Charlie was spreading hate. Now, there is another piece of the investigation, which has to do with his roommate. All right, so who's the roommate? Is he back at college? Again, back to my question of, did he only last one semester, as reported in one spot? Or did he, was he in college? I have no

idea. Did he have some roommate with whom he was living postgraduate? No idea. These are just the questions that I would like answered and I'm vetting them with you. So the authority said that they did interview his roommate and that that roommate showed, this is after the father, I guess, had turned him in. So they're doing their investigation now. And the roommate showed them messages on Discord. This is one of those websites where a lot of disaffected folks hang out, not all, just some, like there and 4chan. Anyway, showed him messages on Discord. by the suspect Tyler Robinson, and they were messages. The way they put it was messages between Tyler and his roommate's device. So the authority's not yet willing to say it was the

actual roommate, or perhaps what they're saying is the messages were just incoming, you know, from Tyler to the roommate who perhaps wasn't responding. They didn't fill in those blanks. The messages were that Tyler needed to retrieve a rifle from a drop point. He needed to retrieve a rifle from a drop point and references the fact that the rifle was left in a dark towel. And that's indeed what we were told by the authorities, that they found the weapon wrapped in a dark towel in a wooded tree area right to the side of the campus. And there was a reference here. Yeah, okay. Actually, I can't understand my own notes. My note reads mentioned engraving bullets. I am not sure as I read this whether that was mentioned to the roommate by Tyler or whether that was just the transition into the next phase of what the investigator was revealing. So forgive me. I don't want to state the wrong thing. But then they did get into the writings on the casings that were found with the gun on an area north of campus on this grassy area where they were. They found the gun, and then they got into the specific messages on there, including, as I said, notices, bulges, O-W-O.

What's this? Hey, fascist, catch. Oh, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow, and if you read this, you're gay. That's about all we know about the suspect here. We'll learn more. once again what we need is a facility in which we can lock these people up a humane facility that is part mental treatment and the majority lock up that is 65% jail and 35% mental health treatment but it must be a humane facility to which a loving parent would voluntarily

send her child or you will never get the moms of people like Robinson calling up and voluntarily submitting their child. You just won't. Or look at that mom in Minneapolis. You know, you read more about that case. There's no question this kid had mental issues, young person. I mean, this person turned evil. There's no question to me. That guy looked possessed by a demon. All those pictures that he drew of himself, looking into the mirror, seeing a demon looking back at him. Target practice with Jesus in the middle of the target, you know, for the children on the ammo. This is a sick M-Fer who was possessed by a demon.

There's evil in this world. There just is. But that mother, according to reports, she actually might not have been on board with the trans ideology that he was professing to be succumbing to. He claimed he was going from male to female and changed his name to a female name. to a female name. And reportedly, she actually didn't want to go along with it. And she was more of like an observant Christian. And the reports were that the father was more the one who was indulging this. My point is simply, I'll bet you that mom knew that her son was unwell. What if there were a humane facility to which you could send your child where they would be locked up, keeping them away from the rest of society, while getting some mental health treatment? but not thrown into a one flu over the cuckoo's nest situation. No parent would call that place and say, take my kid. I mean, some would.

As I've mentioned to you, I've interviewed moms of sociopaths, moms who know they're raising the next school shooter, whose other children are sleeping with knives underneath their pillows because they're so terrified of their brother or sister. It's not always boys. It can happen to girls, too. and they're at their wits end. And no matter what the facility, they would send their child to it.

Because a lot of these parents are just fed up. Like, they're afraid. They're afraid for their own lives. They're afraid for their other children's lives. They're afraid for society. And they can't, they have nothing to do with this kid. Nothing they can do with this kid. You cannot find a psychologist.

Look how hard it is. Have you ever tried to get therapy? It's not that easy. It's expensive. You have to have the right insurance. You don't know whether you're finding the right person. Think if you had a kid who was, exhibiting sociopathic behavior, you know, like in some of these cases, hurting animals.

They killed a hamster, you know, tortured it. That's what happens. Who the hell is going to take that on? Good luck finding a therapist who's going to try to therapy or talk therapies to your kid out of their sociopathy. I mean, it's just, it's impossible. So what these parents have to do is wait until their teenager or young 20s child breaks the criminal law.

It breaks the law in a criminal manner, and then they become a subject of the criminal justice system. And herein lies the problem. Because under today's criminal justice system, like under the criminal justice system we had about 20 years ago, you would get locked up, and you would get mental health treatment while in jail, by the way, but you would be locked up.

But in our system today, the odds are overwhelming that you won't be. I mean, especially if you add any sort of minority, status into your profile, if you're black, if you're trans, if you're a furry, I don't know what this guy was. But that'll all help you. Instead of raising even more alarm bells, if you say you're a furry or you're trans, in today's criminal justice system, it will help you. And, I mean, times 10, if you happen to be a person of color, that greatly will help you. That should not be an enhancing factor or something that should alarm people like the others, but it certainly shouldn't change your sentencing for the better.

And so that's what's happening. These people, they don't get locked up. In today's society, they get put through that revolving door and sent right back out to us. And that's what happened in the case of the Charlotte light rail, murder of the Ukrainian refugee. And in this man's case, we have no idea. No idea.

What, if any, signs he had shown of mental illness? Certainly seems like the roommate knew more than was volunteered. I mean, I've got questions that the Utah governor said, there's not another suspect, and they don't anticipate it this time any other arrests. Okay. So the roommate got these texts and obviously knew his roommate was the shooter. I mean, is there any world in which he didn't know his roommate was the shooter? And he's texting him about retrieving the rifle on the grassy knoll that's been folded into a towel when all the news reports say that's exactly what happened outside of the church.

Charlie Kirk's shooting? I suppose it's possible the roommate had his head in the sand, but I'm going to guarantee you that's not the case because if you live with the shooter, you know. That's another person who knew there was something off with Robinson. That's the way this works. That's my guess, all right? But it's a good one. So why didn't he contact authorities? Maybe I'm being too hard on him. Maybe he did. They got 7,000 tips. Maybe his was one of them and they hadn't gotten to him yet. I don't know. I kind of feel like if I had received those text messages

and they hadn't yet caught anybody and you could see that there was a national manhunt on, I think I'd be walking down to the local field office at the FBI with my phone. I think that's what I would do. Thank God. Nothing else happened with this suspect from the time Charlie was assassinated forward.

Thank God. It's truly like, what if he had killed somebody else? How would the roommate feel then? It's just, if you see something, say something. You know, that saying was all over New York after 9-11. Yeah, that applies when it comes to these young would-be shooters, too. Like the guy who did Sandy Hook. Forget the guy who did Charlotte, North Carolina. That guy was such a fucking hot mess. Everybody saw something and did say something. And you had a woke DEI pushed judicial system that said, let him out. He's homeless. And he's an ad. Oh, and he's a black man in America. And that's what happened there.

This guy, time will tell. Oh, boy. My husband was talking to me this morning and told me that Charlie's podcast has been off the charts this week. when we were both just kind of, you know, lamenting. Like, he's number one in the charts. And he's not here to celebrate it. You know, he can't. When an achievement, people are interested in him.

You know, they were interested in him before he died. But I will say, like, there's something, can I just say this is a petty moment? But it's really bothering me how Fox News is talking about Charlie like he was theirs, like he was one of theirs. Well, he wasn't. It's a lie. Just stop, okay? There were some people on Fox who I think really did like Charlie and got along with Charlie and were friends with Charlie.

But Fox News, they wouldn't put Charlie on, okay? I know this from my own behind-the-scenes conversations, and I'm not going to specify from whom. But they were annoyed on Team Charlie because he was banned. They wouldn't put him on. He had been too supportive of Tucker. He was considered just other. They put him on in July to co-host Fox and Friends, which was a shock.

They finally caught on to his magic. And they had him on Will Kane's show, I think, in August. And prior to that, that's it. Years and years ago, 10 years ago, yeah, okay. But it's just, all right, it's fine. You know, like, I'm not saying they shouldn't mourn Charlie's loss. It's just all I want to say is he was one of ours. He was someone who was an insurgent. He was in the digital lane. He was. He was in the digital lane. He was. He was. was independent, fiercely independent. And while he was a rising star, who would say yes to anyone? I mean, he was on everybody's podcast, doing the shows like surrounded, going to the Oxford Union. It's funny because a lot of these things I've also been invited to do, but I say no to most of them because I'm not as into, like, appearing in public as Charlie was. And I really want to be present for my children who are at an age where they need their mom. I mean, at every age you need your mom, but you know what I'm saying. Charlie was ubiquitous in his appearances. Anyway, he was loving, forgiving, and would say yes to anyone. It's just he was independent. He built

his own thing. He created his own platform. He rose to power on his own, notwithstanding the absence of help from a lot of these big platforms that did their level best to demonize Charlie and turning point. You know, so it's just. Just, okay, I just don't want revisionist history to try to fold him in where he wasn't and try to, you know, make him out to be some sort of a platform player, which he wasn't. In any event, his show today, which is, which was put out, starts with an empty chair. And Charlie's team commemorates him. Let's watch it.

I don't know badly to do this show for all of you today. And I wanted the friends of this show and of Charlie that knew him best, the thought crime crew, to be here in the studio, to commemorate our friend, our dear brother, for this sacred and solemn moment, this occasion none of us ever dreamed we would have to do. and here we are because charlie would want us to be here he would be upset if we weren't here and we of course have left his chair open and empty because nobody will ever fill it nobody could ever hope to that's andrew cole that charlie's right-hand man we've dealt with andrew countless times anytime they want to book you anytime you

you want to book Charlie, you know, I would laugh many, many times when I go on Charlie's show and we'd be waiting, you know, for the hit to start. And, you know, he's, he did, he did everything for Charlie. I used to say he's like a Charlie's executive producer and his Abby all in one. Like, he just did everything for Charlie. They were extremely tight. And, man, he had Charlie's back. I mean, the amount of pain that poor Andrew must be going through this week is hard to really understand. This is just coming in now. NBC News. spoke to a neighbor of the accused shooter. Her name is Kristen Schwierman, a neighbor of the suspect's family. She described him as smart, quiet, that he never caused any problems. It was a

shock. I am shocked, very shocked, she said. Quote, my son texted me and said, hey, this is Tyler Robinson that lives three doors down. And I'm like, no, it can't be. It's shocking, she said. That's not who's in our neighborhood. I feel. for his mom, she's a great mom, and he has a great dad. Yeah, that tracks. Not surprised. That tracks based on what we saw on their social media. So what happened? Something. I can't help escaping the irony of why was Charlie killed on a college campus? That's because that's where he spent his time. He was there by design. James Rosen of Newsmax did a great obit on Charlie the other day. We'll drop it in here for the podcast listeners in part, and the YouTubers need to see this

piece that I'm referencing. But in the obit, he ran the original graphic that Charlie came up with for Turning Point when he was literally in his parents' garage in Illinois as an 18-year-old. The beginning of this whole obit is terrific. We should run. that. America watched Charlie Kirk grow up. Fiscal conservatism is taking over the youth, believe, and we will win in November. In 2012, when President Obama cruised to re-election and liberal commentators were busy proclaiming the death of conservatism, 18-year-old Charlie Kirk, a college dropout from the Chicago suburbs, launched Turning Point USA, an engine for recruiting and mobilizing conservative youth across the country.

The rise of TP USA mirrored and fueled that of Donald Trump, and today the group claims more than 250,000 members across some 800 chapters. He inspired a whole new generation of young conservative leaders. This is Charlie Kirk from Turning Point USA, and let's discuss how Washington, D.C. is playing a game of loans on our young people. With his telegenic looks, rhetorical gifts, and carefully crafted appeal to young voters, Kirk himself became a multimedia phenomenon, America's number one young conservative on TV, radio, the internet, social media, podcasting. This is the kind of guy that you can see really becoming big in politics as he gets older. It just carries the personality, the charisma.

I had a passion for something, and I wanted to go after it. And the more I traveled, the more I realized, there was this huge need for a youth organization in the country that embraced freedom and liberty. Kirk could throw sharp punches, as when he told a Georgia audience last year, the Democrats stand for everything God hates. But mostly he used facts and the Socratic method to disarm the young liberal students who flock to his events to engage him, and who on that basis seldom left disappointed. If it comes down to that person's life and their well-being, why should they not choose themselves?

Okay, no, but we're talking about two different things. So life of the mother is extremely rare. It's not that rare, though. How many times do you think that there are abortions for the life of the mother out of a 1.5 million abortions every year? How much you think? I'm not sure with a number off the top of her head. Less than 500. Out of 1.5 million.

At the end of his life, Kirk was more optimistic than ever. As Trump 2.0 carried forward so much of the anti-woke domestic policy agenda, the young activist had pressed for more than a decade. How are you feeling overall about the health of America right now? We're making huge strides, but we also have a lot of battles to fight, don't we? Yes, we do. Look, we're in the midst of a major, let's say, fight and struggle for the reclamation of the American Republic. And President Donald Trump is doing incredible right now.

Charlie Kirk was 31 in Washington. James Rosen, Newsmax. It shows just, I mean, it's so rudimentary. You know, it almost looks like Charlie drew it. It's clear the guy has no professional help. He's so young. He's so green. And he had this idea of going onto college campuses to try to change people's minds about conservatism.

He was a huge Rush Limbaugh fan. He would spend his free time in high school listening to Rush. You know, some people go out like into the smoking section and play hacky sack. Okay, that's back when I was a kid. not Charlie. He was sneaking in Rush Limbaugh, which explains a lot, and had this idea to build an organization that spoke directly to these college students. The irony, of course, right, because he would never become one. So he started going on college campuses, and he was convinced by a conservative mentor to, like, take a gap year rather than go and see out a freshman year of

college, take a gap year, and to consider working on his activism because this guy could see real promise in Charlie. And so he did. And his gap year turned into what he told me was a gap decade. And he spent the vast majority of that on college campuses, trying to persuade college kids to revisit their feelings about conservatism. That is what brought him to Utah Valley University this week. You know, he was there. He was there. They're fighting the good fight because kids who go to college these days are sent into indoctrination factories. Every professor they have is a hard left liberal.

The administration tends to be hard left liberals. Their fellow students are at least taught that they have to pretend that they are hard left liberals. And Charlie was trying to encourage students to, A, reject that, and B, if they were secret, closeted conservatives, to come out and fight for their ideals and spread conservatism. And if that's what happened, if this shooter lived a relatively normal life and then went to college where his mental health deteriorated and he was radicalized on his college campus, it'll come to the surprise of no one. It'll be something we on the right want to talk about and take a hard look at. and it will be something like trans ideology factoring into any shooting that will get utterly ignored. Even listening to today's reports about what was written on the cartridges,

everyone's skipping right over the one about noticing, notice bulges. We're not talking about that one. They're okay with the fascist stuff, but they're skipping right over what was on the bullet that actually hit Charlie Kirk. We have a lot more to discuss. I really want to show you a bit more about Charlie's marriage. and his relationship. Stay tuned. That's next. Did you know all chips and fries used to be cooked in tallow up until the 1990s when big corporations switched to cheap processed seed oils? Today, seed oils make up 20% of the average Americans daily calories and recent studies have

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13 years of social media and didn't see a single political tweet whatsoever. They may be registered Republicans, though the shooter was not. He had no affiliate. He was registered unaffiliated. They say, yeah, he grew up in a, quote, staunchly Republican Trump backing family, according to the Daily Mail, breaking her silence on Friday, Tyler Robinson's grandmother, Debbie Robinson, 69, said she is stunned by the charges against her grandson describing him as a quiet, reserve young man who never spoke politics,

despite his father's staunch Trump support. My son, his dad, is a Republican for Trump. Debbie, who also lives in Washington, Utah, told the Daily Mail, Tyler, the son, is the shyest person, she added. He has never, ever spoke politics to me at all. Most of my family members are Republican. I don't know any single one who's a Democrat. I'm just so confused. I mean, I wish I could say I were confused about that particular dynamic, but I'm not because it doesn't look like this kid was political one way or the other, and then he went off to the indoctrination factory that is college and appears to have had a mental break. And look, it could have been anything. You know, he could have had a mental break and been

triggered by something else, but the left-wing ideology that is pushed on students on every college campus in this country is radicalizing millions of them. They don't all go out and shoot somebody, but I would be doing Charlie a disservice if I did not underscore that it is radicalizing millions of them. He was in a lifelong mission to undo it, to fight against it. I mean, the irony, that it's what killed him, that it's what got him killed. One source, just adding here from CNN, the man who allegedly shot and killed Charlie is now not talking to investigators, say two, through sources familiar. One source said that the man was talking with some law enforcement initially, but quickly went silent after he lawyered up this morning. It's unclear what he discussed with officers before.

I don't really care. I don't care. We have messages. This kid's fucked. He's going to be found guilty. Okay, that's just all there is to it. it's very obvious. These messages that the roommate showed, it's over. It's over. Not to mention his alleged confession to his own father. But we pulled up exactly what the governor said.

And I was right. The governor did say that, among other things, Tyler, the accused here, mentioned the engravings he did on the bullet casings. It's kind of a silver bullet for a prosecutor. I'll read you exactly what he said. Oh, we have a SOT. That's even better. Let's listen. These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages between the phone contact name Tyler with an emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point. leaving the rifle in a bush messages related to a to visually watching the area where a rifle was left and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel the messages also refer to engraving bullets

and a mention of a scope and the rifle being unique messages from the contact tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits i mean All of that's going to come into evidence, and it will, we don't need his confession. We don't need his talking to investigators. We don't need any. He already talked. He talked plenty. He talked to the roommate through those writings, which will be admissible.

And he talked to his dad, and they talked to the youth minister, and then they talked to law enforcement last night before he lawyered up. So it's not going to go well for Tyler, and he's looking at a death penalty case now. And we'll see whether the governor dials that back now. But that's what he said. the arrest last night. And he's been charged, as I pointed out, with aggravated murder. And by the way, inevitably in these cases, you get some sort of insanity defense when they, when as here, they have the person dead to rights, then that's going to be a huge uphill battle for this guy. Because right now, no one's saying he was insane. Listen to what I just read to you from the

grandma. He's like, shy. That's it. Had a roommate. The roommate didn't apparently say that cops, he's an insane person. He did it. The roommate didn't even bother to call cops from the look of it. Still has an asterisk next to it. Don't totally understand what the sequence of events was there. But haven't heard anything about people jumping up and down that, you know, he was crazy. And then you look at the way he pulled off the crime. You know, he, the, the, like, diligence with which he committed the execution. The video that they released last night, we talked about it in great detail on morning update, AM update, but we don't do video on that show. And I'll show it to you here. The video that was

released by the law enforcement last night, and I think to my team, this is video two. So it shows them zeroing in. And then they show the rooftop. And you can see him. He was first prone. He runs across the roof. He hangs. Dang, there he is. If you check your top right of your screen, and he's now into like the white corner of that. There he is. Now he's about to get down off the roof. He dangles for a couple seconds. Here it is.

One, two, three, and he's down. Four seconds. By the way, they said they got a handprint on the top of that roof and they got a footprint from the grass. That handprint will be directly traceable to somebody. And they definitely got handprints from the inside of the stairwell when he walked up to get to this roof because they have, that's where they got the still shots from, where he's just wearing the black shirt with the American flag with the eagle on it.

And you can see him touching the handrails. So they're going to have fingerprints from that. They said that they got a palm print from the weapon. I mean, this is like, we don't need this guy's confession. Everything he did is a confession. But my point is simply methodical. Forgive the way this is phrased, but well executed. And I just simply mean not the erratic behavior of a crazed lunatic. but the controlled, methodical, determined, logical behavior of an assassin. So none of that is good for him in trying to wiggle out of this. I guarantee you, given the amount of evidence against him, we're going to see some sort of a mental defect defense.

What other choice do they have? You know, neither his parents nor his lawyer are going to want to just watch him be executed. And here we may see another attempt to plead guilty. with a life in prison sentence to avoid the death penalty, what will they do? Was Charlie given the chance to live if he pled out with this guy? Was he given the chance to plead for his life at all? I think we all know the answer to that. I have no empathy for this guy, none, none whatsoever. Even Trump, he had some thoughts on the death penalty, and he offered them on Fox and Friends

with respect to this case this morning, Sot 3. I hope he was going to be found guilty, I would imagine, and I hope he gets a death penalty. What he did, Charlie Kirk was the finest person that he didn't deserve this. He worked so hard and so well. Everybody liked him. I've been watching, even the left is having a hard time.

They fired this guy Dowd from MSDNC, who's a terrible guy, terrible human beings. but they fired him. I hear they're firing other people. MSNBC, but NBC, ABC, CBS, they're all terrible, absolutely terrible and unfair. But even they have been giving it sort of like this can't be allowed to happen. Here is the information on the aggravated murder statute in Utah. An actor commits aggravated murder if the actor intentionally or knowingly causes the death of another individual under the following circumstances, any of the following circumstances. One, the actor knowingly created a great risk of death to another individual other than the

deceased individual and the actor. That's the end of it. We don't have to keep reading. He took his rifle. He aimed it at Charlie, who was in the midst of a crowd of thousands, and he fired. There is a risk that you will miss and you will shoot others. There is a risk that you will inadvertently shoot more than one person, that your bullet will go through one person and into another. This is, I think this is a slam dunk. Two, the actor committed homicide in an especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or exceptionally depraved manner, any of which must be demonstrated by physical torture,

serious bodily, sorry, serious physical abuse, or serious bodily injury of the deceased individual before death. That one's less clear. And then it concludes with penalty for aggravated murder can be death if a notice of intent to seek the death penalty has been filed. It's up to life in prison without notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Well, the governor already said he's going to be seeking it this morning. And he already knew that it was a 22-year-old man named Tyler Robinson who was in custody. So he's not, you know, I just, I can, Like, already what we're getting from the left is it's a white Christian Republican kid. I don't know whether, again, he does not appear to be a Republican.

He comes from a Republican family. I don't give a shit. I don't care if he was a registered Republican. I don't care if he appeared to a Trump rally wearing a MAGA hat. His bullets told us the story. His family said he hated Charlie Kirk, thought that Charlie spread hate. And his bullets said he thought Charlie was a fascist and that he, the shooter, had some, weird association with the furry community and also had some weird gay reference there. I don't

know what that one meant. But I know what fascist means. And I know it was on one of his bullets. And it was pretty explicit. Hold on because it's been an hour now. I don't have it right in front of me, but just for those of you who want to know explicitly, this is what it said. Stand by. Notice bulges. That's the one that was fired into two. Charlie. Notices bulges, O-W-O, what is this? And if you Google that, notices bulges O-W-O, you'll see that is a furry meme also used in gaming. Unfired casing one. Hey, fascist, catch with three down arrow symbols. Unfired casing number two. Oh, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, a reference to an anti-fascist song out of Italy. And unfired casing number three,

if you read this, you are gay. L-M-A-O. Um, okay, I want to, I want to keep going because I really want to get to what, what's circulating right now. So J.D. Vance went out to Utah yesterday with Ushah, second lady Ushah Vance, and they picked up the Kirk family that was in Utah with Charlie grieving. I'm, and I'm sure Erica flew out there immediately to be with everybody, and pick them up in Air Force two, including Charlie's remains. Even just saying that seems unbelievable to me. I'm just still like...

And here you can see when they disembarked, getting back to Arizona. Erica Kirk disembarking with Usha holding hands, Vice President following behind. And Usha Vance just seems like the person, the perfect person for that job. She's so smart.

She's such an empathetic person. I've met her. She's totally beautiful in the tree. truest sense of that word. I don't know. Maybe God sent her, you know, maybe Charlie sent her to go be with Erica. I can see her being a great comfort in a moment like that. And the video of J.D. Vance walking as a pallbearer on the front of Charlie's casket as it approaches Air Force to is something remarkable. For the listening audience, we're showing it now. the wind is blowing in Utah.

You see, I count one, two, three, four, four or more service personnel in the military. Of course, J.D. Vance is a retired Marine on the front of this casket, a brown casket, which they took from the hearse, inching toward Air Force 2. I know for a fact, Charlie wrote on Air Force 1. I'll bet he wrote on Air Force 2 because he and J.D. were quite close. and just the thought of Charlie having been on Air Force 2 with J.D. Vance as a friend and a colleague and a supporter. And now his final trip back home to Arizona's on that Air Force 2 again, though this time in a casket. She's just awful.

Poor Erica. Her long blonde hair blowing in the breeze. This woman is spectacular. She's stunningly beautiful. but she's equally smart. You always can find her in a crowd because of the long blonde hair, you know, the long, flowing blonde hair, the sparkling blue eyes. And there's a great video circulating online. It's about 10 minutes long. I think it was a turning point production with both of them. It's just, just cuts between Erica and Charlie on how they met. We have about two minutes

of a cut. You're going to enjoy this. Our only, our toughest decision this morning was deciding what not to put in. Watch this. What was it like dating, Erica? Very fun. I mean, she's incredibly loyal, a great sport about traveling and about always having my back. You know, for those people that know me, you know, I sit around most times and don't do much and adverse to traveling, very shy, trying to find my purpose in life. So she was obviously very helpful at fixing all those things. I truly feel as if every, piece of my life prepared me to date him and eventually obviously marry him but to date him and I say that because ever since I was little and even after college and adult years I traveled all the time and I was used to being living out of a suitcase I was used to a very unconventional schedule I was used to the entrepreneur mindset and just in the mode of building and building and building and so I got him

I understood that. I understood his sporadic schedule because mine was just as sporadic. And I understood the sleepless nights. And I understood, like, having to make the time for someone. It's not just, it doesn't just come to you. You have to, you have to work at it. You have to invest into it. And so dating each other, it was, I loved it.

I mean, we got to know each other. You, I tell you what, you learn something about someone a lot more quickly by traveling with them. then you do just seeing them on a weekend for just a getaway. When you travel with someone and you have to go through TSA and you have to go through all the different airports and you have to deal with hotel rooms not being ready and car rentals not working out and missing your flight and every logistic you can imagine

because you see every flavor of someone's humanity and we just, I don't, God literally made us for each other. She's always, she was always such a great sport with all the chaos that is my life. Turning Point USA and my biggest fan and my biggest cheerleader and always being just so full of grace and wanted to see me succeed. In the video, they talk about how they met at Turning Point. Erica was actually seeking a job.

She was living in Manhattan at the time, and she was seeking a job, and Charlie said he sent her text, I guess, saying, I'll meet you at, I think he said, like, Bill's Burgers in New York, where he didn't live. you know, he's in Arizona. And she said she'd been living in Manhattan for years. She's never even heard of Bob's Burgers or Bill's burgers. Same, by the way. And, but she said, okay, fine. She wanted the job. So she and Charlie met at Bills and sat there for three hours talking.

And she's thinking she's on a job interview the whole time. And it cuts to him sort of being like, I moved past whether I wanted to hire her and it moved on pretty quickly to whether I wanted to date her. And at the end, she said something like, did I get the job? And he said, no, I don't want to hire you. And she was like, oh, okay, she already had a job. So she was like, okay, I'll just keep doing my current job. And he said, I want to date you. And she said something to the effect of, can I think it over? And he said, sure, you can think it over until tomorrow night when I'm going to take you out again. It's just so great. Charlie had such swagger. You know, that was something that we loved about him.

He had swagger and confidence, but in a gentlemanly way. I played that sound by the other day of him on courtship. You know, when he was talking to those two young podcasters on, of course you must pay for the first date as the guy when you are courting a woman, that the money you save is not worth the honor you sacrifice. And I guarantee you he paid at Bill's Burgers and that he paid the next night too because he was a gentleman. He was an old school gentleman.

And by the way, people, this is one of those things that people give Charlie Hart time for. He used to say they were living a Christian life. I mean, deeply Christian, both of them. And he used to say, he said on, I think, a few or more than one occasion that I heard publicly, women submit to your husbands. Oh, well, that drove leftist women in particular, absolutely nuts. Now, I am not living that kind of a life. I don't live like that with Doug. I don't submit to Doug exactly. Like, we kind of both submit to each other, to be honest with you. But I understood exactly what he was saying. They had a traditional Christian marriage where Charlie was the head of household. He was the patriarch. And she was the matriarch. And she explains in this video what that

means, you know, how she enjoyed making a home that would rise up to meet Charlie when he got home. And she would ask him, how could I make it more comfortable for you? How can I support you when you come home from these busy trips where you're building for our family and taking care of us? And they would wake up every day saying, you know, how can I make your day better and more aligned with our faith and our belief in Christ and live in a more godlike manner? That's what they meant. He was the head of household. He would make certain decisions. And she was fine with that. You could see she's a very assertive, smart young woman. It's not like, Erica, you do exactly as I tell you. You know, it's not the way I live, but I had absolutely no judgment for the way

they lived. And it totally worked for them. They were mad for each other. And I can't help but think about it now because she must feel so lost. She must feel so lost without him and so in need of him right now. You know, like the person she needs to get her through this is the person she's lost who is at the center of what she's going through. This is a picture of her in the car being taken from the, I think from the plane back to her house. There's one where she's holding up a cross. There's one where she's holding up a rosary. She, thank God, is a Godfaring woman. There it is. You can see she's holding it. She loves

God. She's connected with her faith, and that will help her. She will need that mightily now. Can't help but think of the fact that who ultimately convinced the shooter to turn himself in who was a minister, who was a Christian minister. I just got the chills. Who knows how the hand of fate works? Who sent that youth minister there? Who inspired the dad to call a minister into the house, to convince the shooter to turn himself in?

Who was behind those wheels as they spun? I don't know. It's interesting to think about as Erica's there holding up the rosary and holding up the cross. And now we know the shooter was within hours of confessing and turning himself in. It's pretty remarkable. And, you know, there's been some criticism of Cash Patel. We'll get to that in a bit.

But I give him all the credit. They got the guy. And it's not just they got him because he turned himself in. They got him because they released the photos. They kept turning up the pressure. And it was the photos that led the dad, you know, Robinson's dad, to recognize his son. That's exactly what law enforcement's hoping will happen. when they release those photos. Someone, a friend, a family member, et cetera, will recognize the photo

and do something. It's how they caught Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, too. His brother recognized the writings that were in his manifestos that were published in the papers. Why were they published? Why did these newspapers agree to publish the rantings of a lunatic who was bombing people? They were hoping it might trigger something for somebody. Like, they'll recognize. And that's exactly what happened. So he's taking some heat. I'm going to get to the criticism on Cash in a minute, but let me just stay on Charlie and Erica. So he convinced her. She said she went home.

She talked to her mom. The mom said, did you get the job? She said, no, I didn't get the job, but I think I got a date. And mom said, that's great. Terrific. Awesome. And it seems like from that point forward, there was no turning back. And these two are clearly perfect for each other.

They're both absolutely gorgeous. It's actually kind of funny because, no offense to Charlie, but. I mean, Erica is objectively gorgeous by any person's measure. But Charlie, I had a very funny conversation with somebody on his team who was telling me that they, that Charlie used to be a little more nerdy, you know, like 10 years ago, he was certainly a little bit more nerdy. And he was very much always in the suit and almost looked like he was playing dress up because he was so young, like an Alex P. Keaton type.

And that they, they recently persuaded him to ditch the suits and put on. a black t-shirt and maybe let's ruffle the hair a little and go out there looking less than perfectly quaffed. And they were saying that it worked. I mean, like, his youth following, especially with the female persuasion, went through the roof. And that's great. Whatever you can do to get people to pay attention to your message, you do, you know? So all these young women started falling in love with Charlie because he suddenly went from like a kind of nerdy, smart kid to like this cool maga type. And boy, but Charlie never looked away. Charlie had zero interest in anyone other than Erica. And that was really clear, just if you talk to Charlie at all. I mean, when I met Charlie the first

time in person, we were backstage at a turning point event down in Florida. And they had just had their first child, their daughter. And he's got the crazy event going on. There are people everywhere. You know, the president's coming. I think he was not the president at the time. But Trump was in. All these people are coming in. And who's backstage? There's Erica on a blanket that spread out in the middle of the chaos. Backstage, yes, but like in the middle of the chaos, she's sitting there with their baby daughter. And Charlie had been sitting there with her. I mean, his life was so crazy that day. And he had been sitting there with her for a bit. And, you know, that's just the kind of relationship they had. She would go on the road with him. And I made the point that in AM update

the other day that I love these pictures of them at the beach. with their kids and Charlie's in a suit. This is so great. It's so on brand because he told me personally he doesn't know what to do with himself while he's on vacation. That he was unable to like kind of sit and veg and meditate. It's, I feel the same a lot of the time. Like I cannot get massages because all I do is think about the million things that are in the news. What do we run this right sound bike? Could we have done that better? Maybe it could have been tighter. Tomorrow I'll do a different thing. And he was exactly that same way. It's not that you can't. ever relaxed. And it's certainly not that you don't enjoy time with your family. That he did and that I do

as well. But that kind of sitting on the beach doing nothing was not his thing, which is why I laugh when these pictures of him in the suit. He was a doer. He was a go-getter. And that's how he built Turning Point from that little operation in his parents' garage when he was 18 and like basically hand-sketching his own logo to this juggernaut with the fire when you'd walk out. and the lights and, you know, the pyrotechnics and the great montages that made all of us look cooler than we are. And Charlie would just do it all. He would, if you wanted to give a speech, you give a speech. If you wanted to be interviewed by him, which I think is a little bit easier as the person appearing, that's no problem. He'll interview everybody. Like, he'll just do it.

He can do it off the top of his head. Then he'd say, let's do a podcast behind the scenes. Okay, well, go do that too. Like, endless, endless energy, as I was pointing out yesterday, He went to Oxford recently. He went to Japan. He was in Japan on Sunday, Sunday, doing speeches. And then he, of course, was in Utah kicking off his Great American Comeback Tour. And then it was going to be two months of that. And he and I were supposed to meet in either Indiana or Virginia over the next weeks after.

Andy was coming to be with me out in California in Anaheim. This is the two of us backstage in July at the turn. point event. I love, love, love this picture for the listening audience. I'm right in front of him. We're about to walk out to stage. I sort of have the hand motions going, if that means something to you by listening. And Charlie's got the double thumbs up with huge smile. We were having fun. We're both doing exactly what we love to do. Talk about the news. And it came in a very high price for Charlie. Too high. Too high. He was a happy warrior. He loved what he did. It was so good to people. Me included. And he did not deserve to die the way he did. He did not deserve to have his life

cut short. He did not deserve to miss the childhood of his daughter or that of his 16-month-old son. You know, the child had just begun to walk. Here we sat two months ago having no idea what was coming. Keep thinking about this soundbite that we had, this exchange we had when he came on the show. Was it, gosh, it was right after Trump won. It was in November. My team has it. And it was when he was talking about the fact he was so,

in awe. We ran that soundbite of him on his show, just, you know, saying, glory be to God when Trump won. And we were talking about it. And here's, here's that exchange in November of 2024. I was humbled and blown away because I, throughout this entire thing, I'm getting emotional thinking about it. And I'm sure you agree, Megan. I said, there's no way they're going to let us do this. That something's going to happen, right? And again, call it paranoia, call it um just trying to be ahead of the curve and i'm sitting in the seat right here where i saw trump got shot and like they tried to kill him and indict him and it's like at every turn i'm like here we go the regime is striking back right and it's just you don't think you're actually

going to get there because we've been programmed to just say that like powerful people get what they want, right? And it's, yeah, he was one millimeter from this whole country just going into Bedlam. And what if one of these trials would have went differently, right? What if Jack Smith would have rushed his cases and the, I mean, like a million different things, right? And there you go and you hear the words that Donald Trump as president elect. I just, again, glory be to God is all I can say, because I believe there's a divine element. I asked the question, is God done with this? this land. I don't think it what he is. I think that the evil that of what we would seem that you've covered of this butchery of children is going to come to an end. This evil of

allowing men and female sports is going to come to an end. And we were, we were blessed to play a small role. Ten months later, he was executed. He had doubts about whether the regime was going to let. Trump win or whether they would kill him or imprison him. And never for a moment was he thinking he would be the one who was executed. Was it the regime? Was it a lone lunatic shooter who was having a mental break and had been radicalized by

bullshit messages about Charlie that were untrue? I don't know. like I, at some level I don't care. I've got to be honest. Like, I do care because we need to know, but I just feel like, who gives us shit? He's gone. None of this is going to fix that. None of this is going to fix that. Erica was talking about Charlie in May of 2025 for a political event for the Arizona, our U.S. Representative Andy Biggs running for Arizona governor. Here she is in SOT 8. He is my husband Charlie Kirk is a force he is a force he is bold when the world demands silence

he is fearless where others flinch and he has taken on the battle of the next generation changing these hearts and minds I know you guys have seen it at the college campuses changing the hearts and minds of these kids it's not a career to him, it's a calling. And it's so incredible to see as a wife how God has prepared him, how God has molded him and used him. All while he's doing that, he's still the spiritual head of our family. It is my honor to be able to introduce you guys to one of the greatest fighters that I know, who is so intentional, who is so amazing. and he never backs down from the fight because he knows who and what he fights for.

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Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hi, Megan, how are you? I have one request? Yeah, lay it on me. Would it be possible at some point that I call the SOT? Just one. Just one, because I love watching you do that.

I thought, okay, if I ever do her show, I'm going to ask that I just activate one SOT. Is it time? It's time. Play SOT 5. Charlie Sheen, his life has been a wild ride. I was really hard to control. I'm by winning. I win here and I win there.

That one. I had found some different level of, I don't know what. I am on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen. A Hollywood legend. What do you care if your brother did you's school? This cameo just falls out of the sky into my lap. I think I've made a big mistake coming in.

Films like Platoon, Wall Street, and The Rookie. Do you want to Do Over? No, I don't want a do over. The highest paid actor in television history, But all of that success came with challenges, addiction. Drugs are undefeated. It's like 20 million to zero. To get through that, you know, several times.

And tumultuous relationships. You write about how you paid people blackmail money. It's exhausting. And to always, anytime the phone rings, or you see an email from a lawyer, if this is prison, the only thing that's missing, it's the bars and the guards. Eight years sober, and back to tell his story,

his own way. from the deepest reaches of myself, you know? Like, I didn't know anything about your long friendship with Nick Cage. It's like we found each other right when we needed to. Can we both agree that Daryl Hannah was miscast? I think you owe me. She was, and she knew it. I mean, she could feel it.

His new memoir, The Book of Sheen, tells all. And we do mean all. I hope he doesn't mind that I'm sharing this with the world, you know? Oh, we're ready to go? And a new Netflix documentary, a.k.a. Charlie Sheen. You've already proven you can do all this shit to your body and still stay standing. I'm the guy that lived it and survived it. And I still don't completely know how. Well, we did an interview with Charlie Sheen on Tuesday that was set to air today.

And we're holding it, given everything that's going on. But we are going to air it over the weekend. We're going to release it on Saturday. And you're going to love it. It's only an hour long. He's in full flower. He is so fun and funny. I loved our conversation. And I think you are going to love this conversation a lot. Totally unexpected. Not at all what I thought he was going to be. So enjoy that tomorrow because you don't always get fresh Saturday content, but this Saturday, you will. I did want to get to what's being said about Cash Patel. Our friend Steve Bannon is not so happy with how that presser this morning went. Cash got up there and basically said, this is what happens when you let cops be cops and kind of gave a back patting a few comments

to the rank and file that was about all most of the details were given by the Utah governor and here's what Bannon had to say about it so many unanswered questions and I do not understand why law enforcement did not step up to the microphone and give some details it appears the kid had said something to the family the family had confronted him and the family turned him in I'm not seeing the great law enforcement work. We don't need a governor to step up and give us basically a political pep talk and a rally. And let's just all come together. When you have an Antifa, you get details in here about the theme song for Antifa on the bullet.

You got the symbology that Antifa uses all the time. You clearly have a young, progressive left-wing hater that assassinated Charlie Kirk in Cold Blood. But what I want to see is some law enforcement people step up to the microphone, give some details, and take some questions from the media. I don't know why cash flew out there, you know, thousands of miles to give us, hey, working partnerships and our great partnership in Utah. Okay, I got that. No offense to the law enforcement guys in the future of this. The public assumes that you're working together as partnerships. Fair.

Fair. What happened was you had the Utah governor get up there and just sort of gloss over some of these facts. It was like, wait, what was on the bullet? You know, somebody said, what are those? He was like, well, I'll leave it up to you to figure out what that means. What? I mean, I think, like, what Bannon is saying is it was up to cash to get up there and spin the narrative and say, this is what we've gleaned from here. It didn't happen. And that's why now you have all these people online saying he was a white, Republican, MAGA, you know, whatever. They're going to do what they're going to do. It's very clear. Just read the bullets. You want to know what his motivation was? Read the bullets. It's obvious. He loathed Charlie Kirk because he thought he was a fascist. It's all there, black and white. Read. That's all you have to do. His own family says he didn't like Charlie Kirk. He was raising it at dinner. He was growing increasingly political. Do we think he was growing increasingly Republican that he hated Charlie Kirk because he was. a diehard Republican who really hated fascism and that he was into like furry culture at the same time? I don't think so. All week long, I've tried to avoid elevating the leftists who are melting down about Charlie because I just don't really give a shit about them. I just don't

they don't, they don't, they didn't know him. You know, one of the things that I heard, I think it was the New York Times. I can't keep my leftist straight. I think it was, was saying about Charlie was very controversial. He said things like Martin Luther King was a bad guy. Yes, he did say that. You know why? Because MLK's own biographer, a Pulitzer Prize winning biographer, broke the story that MLK was in back rooms allowing women on his staff to get sexually molested by others right in front of him and seemed to kind of enjoy it. that's what Charlie was talking about, the stories no one else would talk about, that Charlie had questions about the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You know why? Because Charlie actually studied people like Shelby Steele, who wrote all about how the black middle class was rising prior to the reign of Lyndon B. Johnson, who infantilized the black community, setting them back by generations with his great society programs. Do some homework. This is a mainstream school of thought. within the intellectual African-American community. Never mind.

That's where Charlie got it. Fuck you for not doing your homework and just trying to paint him as some some crazy racist. It's just ridiculous. That's the New York Times' take, okay? So I have been avoiding taking all this on because I just, like, you're not going to convince these people. And why should we bother?

Who gives us shit? We've already moved on without them. Like, you can't persuade them. You can't persuade these lunatics who are online celebrating that Charlie's dead to be kind. Save it. Utah governor? You can't. All right? Just stop. It's like, these people need to be defeated, not reasoned with. All we can worry about is motivating our side. It's like Don Jr. said,

we had somebody who reached out to the other side and would listen to them and debate on fair terms. And to quote Don exactly, they fucking killed him. He's not wrong. But I've got to play this soundbite of this asshole, Nate Burleson, on CBS this morning, interviewing former Republican House Speaker Kevin McCarthy about the assassination earlier this week. Not everyone took to his words or his rhetoric. You know, at times, there were offensive to specific communities. But with that said, this is not the time to focus on that. We are focused on this tragedy. Speaking of this tragedy, is this a moment for your party to reflect on political violence? Is it a moment for us to think about the responsibility of our political

leaders in their voices and what it does to the masses as they get lost in misinformation or disinformation that turns in and spills into political violence. You absolute asshole. What a dick. Is this a time for your party, Mr. former Republican speaker, to reflect on political violence? whose candidate almost got his head blown off a year ago, you total fucking douchebag. My God, it's time for Republicans to reflect on political violence that your party and your leader needs to reflect on his rhetoric? On his rhetoric?

Have you taken a look at blue sky? Did you look up and down what's left of the leftists on Twitter to see what they're saying in response to Charlie? being shot down in the prime of his life, I'm infuriated by that guy. How dare he? And then he kicks it off by saying, oh, yeah, Charlie was offensive. He's basically saying Charlie was a bigot.

You know what he said about certain communities. Fuck you, you don't know the first thing. You believe the bullshit that you read on blue sky. Then you go sit in that seat and you try to blame Republicans for political violence when Charlie isn't even buried yet? You utter asshole. You are too stupid and partisan. to be in front of a camera.

You should be fired. Your ass should be fired. Now they have a new CBS ombudsman that's supposed to reach out to Republicans. Great job. Great job. You suck. Welcome to the new boss.

Same as the old boss. Somebody needs to call. Call the ombudsman because you have a lunatic sitting on CBS this morning. Who is the balance? Gail King. Gail.

Who said, oh, well, I think both parties engage in. it. Oh, that's the balance. It's the Republicans who have a violence problem and a rhetoric problem and Trump is the problem. And Charlie was a bigot. Oh, but you know, both sides, both sides kind of engage in it a little bit. Oh, thanks, Gail. To the moon. Sorry. That's just like, that one's been sticking in my craw. You know, I'd rather have like the lunatic blue hareds because then you know that they're nuts. But this guy is like, in the suit on the CBS set and like, oh, I'm just being super reasonable in his tone. Go F yourself.

What did you say, Steve? You're giving me my timing. Do you need me to wrap? I don't know. My team's like trying to, no, okay. Yeah, no. Do we have time? All right. We have, we have three minutes, so we have a little time to do, to do one more. Ilan Omar. Let's do that one. Sot 22. Here she is in an interview. Wait a second. Yeah. Is this the one with, with Medicaid? Hassan? Yeah, that's the one I wanted. It's not 22. What I do know for sure is that, you know, Charlie was someone who once said, you know, guns saved lives after a school shooting. Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the

hands of Minneapolis police. I think he called him a scumbag. Right. Have no regard. because he was slavery and what black people have gone through in this country by saying Juneteen should never exist. Right, he was right about that too. And I think, you know, there are a lot of people who are out there talking about him just wanting to have a civil debate. A complete rewriting of history. Yeah, there is nothing more effed up, you know, like than to completely pretend that, you know,

his words and actions have not been recorded and in existence for the last decade or so. I can think of something that is more effed up. What if you married your brother? That'd be weird and messed up, wouldn't it? Like marrying your brother, that's definitely fucked up. Why'd you do that? Your own home paper, Minneapolis Star Tribune, couldn't conclude conclusively that you hadn't. that's kind of fucked up. Literally everything she just said was a lie.

All of it was a lie. Or she was making points about Charlie that were totally valid. Juneteenth is a stupid thing to do. And down the line, the thing she was saying, this is what they do. They want to rewrite the history. They want to ignore the millions of clips of Charlie bringing people together. And they go with their bullshit lies like the New York Times tried to tell. Like Martin Luther King, he never did a bad thing. Charlie was so wrong to say he wasn't a good guy. oh, maybe he didn't quite, as a Christian, support the way MLK was behind the scenes. Okay? This was a massive news story that was all over the papers a couple of years ago.

Maybe you missed it. It's not good for me. It raises my blood pressure too high to be thinking about these people. We're going to think about Charlie. We're going to think about Erica. We're going to say a prayer for their family. We're going to say a prayer for our country. We're going to say a prayer for ourselves that we maintain or reclaim, in my case, our dignity.

our class and that we lead by example in the lives that we live the same way Charlie did whether they know it or not tomorrow a special tribute to Charlie Sheen and the next day to Charlie Kirk thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show no BS no agenda and no fear