The Megyn Kelly Show - Church Agitators ARRESTED... But is Don Lemon Next? With Allie Beth Stuckey, Rob Henderson, and Phil Holloway | Ep. 1236

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Megyn Kelly opens the show by discussing the feds arresting two alleged agitators in connection with the anti-ICE protest in a St. Paul church, the background of the women arrested, the charges they are facing, the chances of Don Lemon facing a similar fate, and more. Then Allie Beth Stuckey, host of "Relatable," joins to talk about the arrest of BLM activist Nekima Armstrong in connection with the St. Paul church protest, Don Lemon's role in the incident, what trouble he could find himself in legally, Megyn's bizarre encounter with a hostile man at the grocery store, how it connects with the disturbing mindset of the anti-ICE church protesters, why the incident should be a wake up call for Christians, and more. Plus, Rob Henderson, senior fellow of the Manhattan Institute, joins to discuss Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz encouraging anti-ICE protestors while standing outside his mansion, New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani telling "The View" he supports abolishing ICE. Then MK True Crime host Phil Holloway joins to discuss a magistrate judge rejecting the effort by the Department of Justice to bring charges against Don Lemon for his involvement in the Minneapolis church protests, Mayor Jacob Frey's silence on the protests altogether until calling for Nekima Armstrong to be released, and more. Stuckey- https://x.com/conservmillenHenderson- https://www.robkhenderson.com/Subscribe to MK True Crime:Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mk-true-crime/id1829831499Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4o80I2RSC2NvY51TIaKkJWYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MKTrueCrime?sub_confirmation=1Social: http://mktruecrime.com ARMRA: go to https://tryarmra.com/MEGYN to get 30% off your first subscription orderDone with Debt: https://www.DoneWithDebt.com & tell them Megyn Kelly sent you!Paleovalley: Visit https://Paleovalley.com and use code MEGYN at checkout to get 20% off your first orderMelania: Go behind the scenes of power and precision—watch MELANIA, only in theaters January 30; get your tickets today!  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. We begin today with breaking news this morning that the FBI and Homeland Security Investigations team have made arrests over that outrageous ICE protests. It was terrorism at City's Church in St. Paul, Minnesota on Sunday. According to FBI director Cash Patel, Nekima Levy Armstrong, enjoy. prison and Chantil Allen have been taken into custody for violating the Face Act. That was really fucking dumb. That was stupid-ass behavior.

I love that you put it on camera. Thanks for inviting your pal Don Lemon and your BLM pals. I know you're members of it. To put it all on camera. I know you really wanted fame. In fact, you wound up with infamy and some criminal problems.

So terrific for you. The Face Act is the federal law that makes it a crime for, quote, whoever by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction intentionally injures, intimidates, or interferes with or attempts to do those things, with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship. So it's basically, if you, by physical obstruction or any sort of force or threat of force, interfere with somebody who's trying to pray, you're effed. Okay? We've got video of Armstrong being taken into custody. This photo here was posted by Christy Nome. Look at her. I'm thrilled. This is a great

moment. Let's just sit, shall we, and look at this large, unhappy woman with her hands. Yeah, they're handcuffed, right? They're handcuffed behind her back. I love it. Not so. so fun now. Is it, Nakima? Who's the disruptor now? I hope you love the county jail. I can't wait to hear how it goes for you. Look at her. She was so sure of herself. She was so proud of what she was doing to those Christians minding their own business trying to pray. She's a BLM agitator. She's used to Minneapolis, where all you have to do is say George Floyd and they give you a pass, especially if you're a fat black woman. Well, those days are over. Okay, because we have a new sheriff in town. And his name is President Donald Trump, who plans on enforcing federal laws, including the Klan Act

and the FACE Act. She's being charged with a felony conspiracy against rights under the Klan Act in addition to the FACE Act charges. A felony. The Klan Act, you could go to jail for 10 years if you are found guilty under the Klan Act. Yes, BLM, lady, you are being charged under the Klan Act because it's basically conspiracy against rights.

If you engage in a conspiracy to violate somebody's civil rights, like their right to worship, you're in a lot of trouble. You've committed a crime. That's what you've been charged with. So, look, it's still going to have to be charged, or going to have to be tried in a Minneapolis federal courtroom, which is better than state court for sure.

We're going to have better prosecutors. And in general, you might have a better jury pool, but not that much better. So she's still got that going for her, that she still gets to get tried there. However, Nakema violated the law, and it's really clear. It's really not even ambiguous. I mean, we've got some ambiguity, at least some ambiguity around Don Lemon because he's got, like, the journalism thing. That's wrong. He committed a crime, too.

I'm just saying he's at least got another excuse for being there that he could try to use to prey upon the sympathies of a jury. She's got no excuse. None. What was her role, Nikima? Nikima Levi Armstrong? Well, Don Lemon was happy to tell us all at the start of his six-hour live stream on Sunday. Watch. Speaking to an organization there that's gearing up for resistance and protest, I've been surprised, pleasantly surprised to see the community coming together.

Diverse community, if you see this when we first pulled up, we're like, wait a minute, which operation are we at? And as it turns out, because we're like, well, this is kind of mega-coded, right? Saw the American flag or whatever, but these are resistance protesters. They're planning an operation that we're going to follow them on. I can't tell you exactly what they're doing. but it's called Operation Pull Up, and it's the Kima Armstrong, and she has been doing this since George Floyd, Dante Wright, and others, where they surprise people, catch them off guard, and hold them to account.

And so that's what we're doing here, and then we're after that, after we do this operation, you'll see it live. And these operations are surprise operations. Again, you can't tell you where they're going and where we're gathered right now. But he knew. Don Lemon's not always the most reliable reporter, Luckily, Ms. Armstrong spoke for herself. Watch.

Tell us why are you doing this? This is Operation Pull Up more of a clandestine operation. We show up somewhere that is a key location. They don't expect us to come there. And then we disrupt business as usual. So that's what we're about to go do right now. It's all on. It's wonderful.

This is great stuff. I'm sorry, but like, Harmead Dillon must have been like just popping the popcorn watching this. We go to a clandestine location. We know that Don Lemon knew it was a church. He's on camera in his car saying it before they got there. She, of course, knows that it's the church because she organized it. She says, we're intentionally going some place where they do not expect us to disrupt. Okay?

Because later she would try to suggest to CNN, like she was just there. She was like basically a churchgoer. Okay. She's on camera with Lemon. We're going to a clandestine location. They do not expect us. we're going there with the purpose of disrupting them. Now, if you were an anchor at CNN and you had an interview with this lady, do you think you

might confront her with those facts? Especially if she tried to lie about them on your national program? In the intro to this woman's segment, apparently Aaron Burnett said something about how the group rushed into the church. And now, Ms. Armstrong on CNN is taking real issue with that. You know, trying to repaint it all. Like, we were just trying to participate in the service. She almost spins it as like, but then, like, the pastor went so far.

We had no choice but to disrupt. Here's her trying to spin it with zero pushback from Aaron Burnett last night on CNN. Now, the protest on Sunday interrupted the service with chance like this. Protesters have defended the protest saying that the pastor, at the church as a local official serving with ICE. Now, DHS has not confirmed or denied that. Trump's DOJ, though, has called this a crime and said that it was desecrating a house of worship.

And I do want to correct something that was said in the beginning. We did not rush into that church. We actually went and sat down and participated in the service. And after the pastor prayed, that is when I stood up and asked him a question and response to his prayer. And then he responded to me. And then I proceeded to ask him about Pastor David Easterwood and how is it possible for him to serve as both a pastor and the director of ICE from Minnesota.

And instead of responding to me, as soon as I said the name David Easterwood, the pastor says, shame, shame. And that is when I led us enchant justice for Renee Good and hands up don't shoot. So I want to clarify that. We didn't rush in. we didn't bust in. We were a part of the service until I got up and posed that question to the past. All right. And obviously, I'm not going to dispute your, you know, saying what happened.

I'm merely describing how CNN is describing it. I obviously wasn't in the room. But you are a chicken shit because you have tons of video showing what actually happened. By the way, how about her showing two seconds, two seconds of what happened inside of that church to illuminate CNN audience. Did that really bring home the shouting in the faces that William Kelly did that we've been showing you? God forbid, Aaron Burnett show you what actually happened. Two seconds of what's in there. And then she lets her guest lie about what happened and then says, oh, well, I wasn't there. So obviously, I'm not going to challenge you. Now, let me tell you,

all of that is infuriating because there's a failure of journalism. And I'm going to show you what actually happened at the start of the protest in one second. But I just want to tell you right now before we do any of this stuff, it's all irrelevant. All of that is totally. irrelevant. Nakima, you're an idiot. No one gives a shit whether you did sit there for the first couple of minutes and then there's no doubt you did what you said you were going to do, which was disrupt the unsuspecting parishioners who are trying to attend Sunday service. No one cares. The law doesn't care if you sat there for a few minutes before you launched your disruption. Okay? So I don't know who's advising you.

at your little BLM organization where it turns out you take more money than you give in your charitable work and we'll get to that. But you to me seem like a fraudster, madam. You seem to me like a criminal even before you went into that church. And had I been interviewing you, I would have raised it. Why do you take more out of your charity than you give to the needy, ma'am, year after year after year. Is that very Christian? Is that something God would approve of? Because you seem really connected with God. Or at least your buddy Don Lemon purports to be in his questioning and you standing up trying to cross-examine the pastor like you know better. I mean, I don't think you fully disclose to everybody involved in this what your true character is, madam. But don't worry. It's going to come up at your

trial. I'm sure we'll learn a whole lot more about you before we get to that day. So in any event, it's irrelevant whether she sat there for a few minutes before she launched the protest. But this whole thing is interesting because it's evidence of what a fucking liar she is. Once again, she lies. Her instinct is to lie that she, you know, she suggests she was just so sweet. And like it really, kind of the pastor started it is what she's implying there. I just asked an innocent question, you know, like me saying, you know, father, why didn't you mention Charlie Kirk? Which I would never yell out in the middle of a mass, but okay, she's kind of trying to spin it like she just kind of mildly asked something. Then he said something so outrageous that things spontaneously broke out, even though she's on camera with Lemon saying they're not going to expect us.

And then we're going to get them. We're going to disrupt him. I'm like, idiot, idiot. It's straight out of the stupid criminal files, right? Like, that we used to put on cable, and people used to do in, like, comic strips. Anyway, here is the start of the protest for you to judge for yourselves. You will hear Ms. Levy Armstrong talking at the pastor, and that's the right way to put it. And then the chance and the demands begin. They're already walking down the aisles on their feet.

You can hear her. And here it is. Renee Good. Oh, there's our friend, Mr. Kelly. Renee Good. Where are your people? This is where he said, Shane, after they had taken over the service.

Standing for our people. Where are you? You drink your coffee. You got your jewelry. You have your. nice clothes, but what do you do? Look at the people huddling in the background. Stand for your Somalia and Latino communities.

I'm not going to comment. You have no comment, exactly. He's in the face of this young parishioner saying, I'm not going to comment. I don't have to fucking talk to you, you cretan. But behind him, we just noticed this as we were getting the ready, the video ready for today. You see three young people holding each other in a circle, like scared. That which is exactly what Nakima wanted. Enjoy your strip search.

Who's scared now? You can hear the pastor say, you better get out to one of the protesters. In that very sound bite we just played, he says, you better get out. Let me just make it perfectly clear. This was trespassed from the moment they stepped into that church planning to disrupt. Who's invited onto this private property? P parishioners wanting to pray. That's not what they were doing.

You cannot show up there and have a little. um, Whiffleball game. You cannot show up there for a square dance. And you cannot show up there to disrupt them with shouts of hands up, don't shoot. That is not an acceptance of the invitation to show up and worship. Okay. So you trespassed from the first step into the church, all of you, Don Lemon included.

And you really trespassed with zero ambiguity once you were told to get out, which you were repeatedly. They're not going to be charged with trespass because it's a state crime. And we all know that Minnesota authorities have zero interest in enforcing the criminal law against anyone affiliated with BLM. In fact, they use that group to railroad Derek Chauvin into prison. And certainly not against this group because they're on the side of the anti-ice protesters. Okay. But that's just one of the many crimes that they committed.

And they did commit conspiracy against rights, the people's rights, who are cowering in fear, holding on to one another. Children crying in the pews. You absolutely did you accused felon. Nakima. And here's what we know about this woman. Nekema Levi Armstrong. According to Fox News, she's currently the CEO of a cannabis company called Dope Roots. And from 2019 to 2024, she led an anti-poverty nonprofit.

You know, those are big in Minneapolis. Perhaps you've heard. called the Wayfinder Foundation. During that time, Ms. Armstrong received over $1 million in compensation. The organization doled out approximately $700,000 in grants. Got it? Let me tell you something. This is so common. You got to really look into any organization that you donate to. This is why I never just dole out money when like somebody asked me on the street or like somebody's like, oh, whatever, let me get something started. I will only give to organizations that I've actually looked into Because here's what happens.

Somebody says, I need to support myself. I'm going to create a charity. And I'm going to give to whatever cost. You know, pick the cost. But my salary is going to be $500,000 a year. So let's say they earn, you know, $750,000 earn. You know, they get in donation $750,000 that first year. So $250,000 goes to a worthy cause potentially.

And $500,000 goes to line their pockets because they want to be kept in a certain manner of living. And that certainly appears to have been the case with Ms. Armstrong, who again, over the past few years, took in a million dollars in salary. I think it's over six years and donated $700,000. So she made a million. She donated $700,000. And that calculation is off, my friends. It's way off.

For salary to take up, what, 65% of the money you take in? we look to make sure it's like less than 15%. And this person is either way, 65% just doing my math in the back of the envelope. This is disgusting, okay? She's a con woman. That's clearly what she is. And she certainly had no worries about living in poverty,

thanks to her grift. As for the second woman under arrest, you'd be excused if you saw them in a side-by-side of thinking they were identical twin sisters. It's another enormous black woman and this one has a receding hairline. I'm just giving it to a straight listening audience of what we're looking at.

She's got glasses, too. Shantil Allen. She's a community organizer and an elected member of the St. Paul School Board. Are any sane people still living in Minneapolis, St. Paul? Doesn't St. Paul pride itself

on being the more sane one of the Twin Cities? How do you have this woman on your school board? Explain that to me. You still got a massive people that voted for her? It's unbelievable. She has a role in educating what, in educating children and deciding on what children learn in schools. She's also, you'll be shocked, shocked to learn, listed as a founder of Black Lives Matter Twin Cities on her LinkedIn profile. It's no wonder they stood up there with a hands up, don't shoot, hands up don't shoot, that's what they were chanting.

Like we pointed out yesterday, here's, here she is, by the way. Here's Ms. Allen at the protest making the hands up, don't shoot gesture with children in the pews. pointed out yesterday, what do those children know about hands up? Don't shoot. Nothing. Nothing. What they see is people saying hands up, don't shoot. They're talking about shooting in a church and your hands up. You could excuse any child for not understanding that reference and misunderstanding it as a threat, a direct threat mentioning shooting and get your hands up. these absolute disgusting, disgusting, vile narcissists in there without a care for anybody but their own egos. They don't care about the people being arrested by ICE.

Come on. Does anyone actually believe that they want to make themselves stars? It's people like Patrice Cullors, one of the founders of BLM, who wants to line her own pockets with home after home after home. She wants to get rich off of usually white women. ridiculous, misplaced empathy and privilege, guilt over their privilege, while she rides it to the bank. And Miss Allen here clearly is one of them. You can also see her in the background as her buddy, Nakima Armstrong, speaks because she wants to be on camera. They all want to be a star. Well,

now you are on camera. And you're going to be on another camera soon. It's called a mugshot. I look forward to celebrating it. But here's Armstrong talking to Lemon with the third lady in the back. And that's why we're here demanding justice for Renee Good and letting them know that this will not stand. They cannot pretend to be a house of God while harboring someone who is directing ICE agents to wreak havoc upon our community and who killed Renee Good. They're all such idiots. They cannot pretend to be a house of God. I mean, she makes it very explicit that she is there attacking them based on their religious observance. This woman is effed.

They're all going down. They are. They're all going down. This is so satisfying. God bless Pam Bondi. God bless Harmeet Dillon. God bless Cash Patel. You guys, you go.

Keep going. This is what we need to see. Accountability for the lawlessness that we have seen time and time again on the progressive left. They are out of control. They are ruining this country. And as I said on Monday, they crossed a red line going into that church. And now they will be forced to pay. Can't wait for the mugshot for those ladies who love seeing their mugs on camera.

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That's A-R-M-R-A.com slash Megan. There's something so incredibly satisfying about seeing that Nekima Levy-Armstrong with her hands behind her back in an obvious handcuffed position as they place her under arrest for terrorizing innocent Christians. Your thoughts on it, Allie? Yeah, you know, she's probably going to use this to try to fundraise to line her own pocket. but who cares? This is justice. However she wants to use it. However her allies want to use it to try to enrich themselves as their business. This was the right thing to do. And honestly, for so long, we have gotten used to a lot of politicians just talking tough and not really doing anything. So even though I like Pambondi, I like the DOJ, I like what they're doing, I wasn't really sure if anything would happen. When I saw this headline, when I saw this picture today, I said, oh my gosh. it actually happened. And when I think about the Face Act, I just had Harmeet Dillon on my show last week, and she was saying how the Face Act has almost been exclusively used by Democrats to prosecute

pro-lifers who are even just praying in front of an abortion clinic. But now they're using it to go after people who are impeding worship, whether it's at a synagogue or a church. And so this is why it matters who you vote for. You're not just voting for a president or a vice president. You are voting for everyone else, too. You are voting for a definition of justice. Do you want a definition of justice that says you can't even pray outside of a center where babies are being killed? Or do you want a definition of justice that says, no, it is wrong to disrupt peaceful worshipers, to try to impede their worship and to terrorize grandmothers and children who are just trying to pray? Every day, I am so thankful that the seemingly impossible happened in November of 2024. for. Yes, 100%. And now I hear, you know, we had a legal debate on the show yesterday, and there was a

question about whether the FACE Act will apply because were they physically obstructing worship? Has there been case law that says physically obstructing requires the people cannot leave? I was looking at the case law this morning, and there was a case just in the past couple of years. It's always used against, you know, the protesters outside the abortion clinics. It's never used to protect the religious churchgoers. But, you know, we have a new sheriff in town with Trump, so it's being used properly. So in this case, it happened under Joe Biden. It was in 2023. And two people, they actually, for once, prosecuted people who terrorized a pregnancy center, not an abortion clinic, a pregnancy center. And this was down in Florida. It was the AUSA down in Florida. So we had

somebody who was a little bit more fair imbalance bring charges against these two. And they had spray Painted, spray painted on the clinic, something to the effect of, you know, if so-and-so aren't safe, you know, people who want, I guess, abortions aren't safe, neither are you. Again, they were a little misguided because pregnancy centers are not trying to hurt anybody. They're actually just trying to help all involved. But in any event, the people who spray painted, they didn't go to the clinic, they didn't block the clinic, they didn't do anything. They just said, if these people aren't safe, neither are you.

were found guilty under the face act of causing a threat. That was a threat that was good enough under the face act because they had threatened these people. I mean, these people standing in the middle of the aisles, obstructing the pathways in and out, causing the parishioners to cower in hugs and tears, which we saw repeatedly, getting in their faces, screaming in their faces, right? Like, why aren't you down at the federal center standing up for immigrants? why don't you get over there and stand up for Somalis? Not to mention the hands up don't shoot over and over chanting something about shooting and getting

your hands up in front of children who cannot possibly understand that that's a reference to 2015 and Michael Brown. You're going to tell me that one line spray painted, qualified under the Face Act, but all of that didn't. And that was Joe Biden's Department of Justice. Now we've got somebody who really means it, who's really going to go for it. And it's all on tape. They're done, Alibati, they're done. Yeah, I guess apparently, according to what you just said, that intimidation counts as impeding worship. If someone is so scared to go into a pregnancy center or go into a church because they are afraid and honestly, justifiably so afraid that their lives could be at risk. I mean, everyone has very good reason to fear a left-wing mob right now. After we saw it, happened to Trump, we saw what happened to Charlie, we've seen what happens to pro-lifers who make a pro-abortion person angry. Like we know that the left gets violent really quickly. So they have a

reasonable cause to say, I don't think that I can go worship with the body of Christ. And if that's the case, it seems to me, not as a legal scholar, just logically, that that would count as intimidation. That case down in Florida, I'm so glad that those people did get jail. That's Jane's revenge. They're a pro-abortion terrorist group. They did that to pregnancy centers across the country. They got 120 days there, but of course, pro-life grandmother who prays in front of a pregnancy center got years. Thank goodness Trump pardon them. Yep, that's exactly right. And so what you have to prove is that by force, by threats, or by physical obstruction that you interfered with the congregants.

So they have to prove either force, threats, or physical obstruction. I think we have both threats and physical obstruction here. And if the case law says physical obstruction means they were not able to leave, I still think there's wiggle room because you can see people, why would you be huddling in a group hug in the corner if you felt totally free to walk out? Clearly, they did not feel free to leave. But secondly, you don't even have to have that. You've got the threats, the threatening behavior. You don't have to say, I threaten you. You know, you don't have to say, I am going to shoot you. in order for it to be a threat.

There are a lot of behavior and words can qualify as threats. They're all over these tapes because these morons, Don Lemon Chief among them, Alley, did us the favor of videotaping the whole thing. I mean, I suppose in a way we owe BLM and Don a thank you. Yeah, I guess so. And I know you've already covered this, but you would think that a journalist who exercises his First Amendment rights, whose job depends upon the First Amendment would understand what the First Amendment

it was. And the conversation that he was having with the pastor, who, by the way, wasn't yelling, shame, shame. He actually conducted himself with a ton of self-control and restraint, exercising as the shepherd of a flock, which of course is a pastor, he is. And he's trying to navigate that conversation with the dumb Don Lemon. And Don Lemon's right in his face. The guy's obviously distracted. He wants to make sure that these women and children are cared for. And Don Lemon says, don't push me. I mean, what a complete joke. What a scam artist he is. Not only that he lied about the whole thing, whether or not he knew about it, obviously he was invited. He was caught kissing this person who is now an accused felon,

but also just him already pretending to be the victim in this scenario. I mean, it's just sickening. It is sickening. But it's so satisfying that they're going to be held to account. And look, one violation of the FACE Act first time is a misdemeanor. But if you get charged on that Klan Act, it's a felony. And now we're in business. I mean, now you're talking about a deadly serious crime, which this should be. I mean, it should be, like, people want to play this off, Ali, as like, oh, whatever. They, you know, they didn't hurt anybody. I've heard some of their defenders. They didn't hurt anybody. They, it was terrorism. They went into that church. Their behavior caused children to cower in fear and cry, and Don Lemon celebrated it, saying trauma is part of the

process. I mean, it's such a creepy. it's such a creepy comment. It reminded me of like a sexual assault pervert who's trying to calm down his victim saying like trauma's part of it. Trauma's part of the process. He's actually like calmly looking at them running out of the church and fear like, this is part of it. And like you're just going to have to enjoy it.

Be traumatized and learn. That's how you learn from the trauma. He said that's the purpose of a protest is trauma since when. I've never heard that in my life. I don't even remember hearing that in 2020. Of course, that was the result of a lot of those riots. But I've never heard someone say that out loud. And you're right.

The way that he said that so calmly and matter-of-factly is very disturbing. And I hope that the other agitator, whose name I believe is William Kelly, who I believe has also gone to other churches around the country and has stalked people. to church, got in their face, cuss them out, says that they're fake Christians. He apparently was very angered. I heard one congregate say by the children who were crying, started screaming that they're privileged pigs. I hope that he's next because he's obviously done this multiple times. He seems like a very unstable, dangerous guy. We know that it doesn't take very long for someone like that to kind of be edged into violence. And so I want them to continue this, to continue to bring

justice and to make sure that someone like that is put away from the rest of society. I completely agree with you. This guy is unhinged and it seems like just a matter of time before he escalates to violence. Here is a clip of him. Our audience is becoming very familiar with him because we've showed a few this week. But here's, you tell me whether this is threatening or not. As you can see all these pretend Christians, all these comfortable white people who are living comfortable lives while children are dragged into concentration camps. You're living real life, nice lives with your lattes, doing absolutely nothing for your Latino and Somali brothers and sisters.

You are a fake Christian. Why are you not standing with your Somali and Latino communities? Why do I not see you out at Whipple every day protesting this attack on humanity? You're sinners. You're pretending to be Christians. But we know you live in easy life, don't you? Live in real comfortable while children are dragged into concentration camps, you're all living real comfortable, aren't you? Shame on you. Do

something. Stand with the Somalis. Stand with the Latinos. Quit ignoring this injustice. I mean, the last video was a young, a van full of young people, the one girl wearing the sweater with the American flag on it who slams that door. It was one of those slider doors. As much as she can slam a door like that, she tries to get the heck away from him. They're all afraid, Allie. Can I just tell you something? I haven't talked about this in the air, but I will tell you, I had this very unfortunate, bizarre, weird man, large, confront me in the grocery store. Like six weeks ago.

Yeah. Got in my face, was not a fan, mentioned my children saying he knows where I live. He knows where my children go to school. And he wants me out. I mean, it was very, it was threatening. There's no question. And when it was over, my heart was racing. And I am a, you know, cynical, seasoned journalist who's had many confrontations that are unfortunate over the course of my 20 years in the business. But it still was very jarring, especially in the wake of Charlie. But like I didn't know where it was going. He was larger than I was. He was a man. His voice was elevated. He had true hatred in his eyes. And I, even though we were in a public place, thought, I don't know where this is going. Like I'm not, I don't know what this guy's going to do or what he's capable. of. And I am a mature woman who's in the public eye. These are civilians who are teenagers,

preteens, children, innocent, you know, that one guy he got in the face of looked like he was maybe 20 who are there completely with their guards down. And let me just say something else. That was part of what was so jarring about it for me is that my guard was down too. I was in the grocery store. Yeah. So you're not, you don't have any of your armor. on. You know what I mean? Like, if I walk into CPAC and someone gets on me outside of CPAC, okay, I know, I get it. Turning point, I know that you're going to get it as a conservative woman especially. But like the grocery store and times a thousand for churchgoers, right, who are there not only like not expecting confrontation, but in many ways, as you know,

better than anybody, at their most vulnerable and open and exposed. Yes. Okay. Well, I just have to ask you, and I'm sure everyone else is wondering this too, what did you do? And what did you say? So, first I told him he was a low information voter. And that was unfortunate for him because he was getting on me about things he claimed to have seen on the show. And then when he started mentioning that he knew where my children went to school and where we lived, it did dawn on me that I better get a picture of this person because I did not know where this was going. So then I did, and I asked him for his name, which he refused to give me. And I was like, oh, you're super tough to come confront me in the grocery store, but you're not so tough to give me your name, which I knew I'd have in two minutes, which then I did. And then the police went and paid him a visit to make sure that he understood you're actually not allowed to do that, that this is potentially a crime, and that I could have gotten a restraining order against him in two minutes. I easily could have gotten a restraining order against this guy whose identity I did uncover. but because I'm not looking to cause trouble in my community, I didn't do it. Now, if this guy ever comes

my way or my family's way again, I will have him arrested and I will get a restraining order. But I wasn't, you know, I wasn't looking to make a bigger thing out of it than it was. He was an asshole. He behaved like a complete jerk, especially given the, you know, he's a large man. I'm like a, on the petite side female. Like, don't be a complete asshole. But he was, whatever. It was handled. The police made him understand. that you're not allowed to do that and that if any other bad behavior happens, they'll be back. But I will say,

I then talked to my security team about it, and they did tell me something that was valuable to both me and you and anybody else listening, which is whenever somebody gets in your face, like the very first thing you do is to call 911, especially if you don't know where it's going. You worry about overreacting. It's not overreacting.

They were saying that the sooner you get a good guy with a gun coming to you, the better. before you take a picture, before you have an ongoing dialogue, before other people come. And by the way, the other shoppers were wonderful. As soon as I got away from this guy, a couple of women in particular came right over. They were like, he's such an asshole, couldn't believe that. They didn't know what to do. You know, everybody felt powerless in the moment.

But my whole point of telling you was that I was shaking and off balance and definitely felt threatened. And so I can only imagine what these kids were feeling. when they're mentioning shooting, they're extremely angry. It's a group of them. They're in your face screaming. They're all over the aisles. Your pastor has told them to get out and they won't. And just months earlier, there's been a mass shooting at a Catholic church connected to a school.

So it's just like there is not going to be any problem arguing threat when you, you know, You're going to get it unless you support abortion is basically what was spray painted on that wall. Like this, they've got them dead to rights. And all of this is to underscore how outrageous it was, Ali. Like, it's not just if you're a Christian. Anybody should be able to see it truly was a before and after moment in protests in America. Yeah. And, you know, it's obviously so horrifying and I wish it hadn't happened.

But it is a wake-up call to Christians everywhere else. For some reason on this immigration issue, one, any issue that is considered. social justice. So whether it was George Floyd then or Renee good now, I find a lot of women, even in my audience, evangelical women are just duped by the propaganda. Like they really just, it starts to chip away at their conscience. And they're like, okay, maybe this really is going too far. Maybe they really are putting kids in cages. Maybe this like is really bad and I don't know, I should speak out against ICE or Trump or deportations or whatever it is. But they see something like this. And they see that those who claim to be on the good side, on the side of the most vulnerable,

are getting in children's faces and screaming at them that they're privileged pigs. They're chasing little girls in American flag sweaters into their van and telling them that they're going to hell and not real Christians. Like when you see that, I just hope that it is a wake up call. And I hope that it shows the Christians who are maybe just like they feel torn about this. They don't know what to believe, I just want to show you that that is the evil side, that there's no justification for that. These are not good people. This is not about Renee Good. Like this woman, Nikita or whatever her name is, this William Kelly, they don't care about Renee Good. This is not about justice. This is not about opposing violence. These people are always looking for any trigger incident that will

justify terrorizing Christians and conservatives. They're looking to loot. They're looking to riot. They're looking to disrupt. They are looking to cause chaos. because they believe that the whole American system is oppressive and racist and whatever it is. And so they are simply looking for an excuse to go into these conservative churches. I know this church, it's a conservative church. That's probably part of the reason why they targeted it. And they are trying to make you as uncomfortable as possible to intimidate you out of being conservative or pro-ice or whatever it is. They didn't care about George Floyd then.

They don't care about Renee Good. Now they're simply looking for a reason to tear up. That's what BLM is. That's what these progressive activists do. That's right. And there's no reasoning with them. Like they, it's been very, like, helpful to have Don Lemon do what he did and then go on that podcast with the angry lady on Monday. Because he says it out loud.

If you're a Christian sitting in the pews, you're a white supremacist. Truly, there is zero evidence that anybody in that church is a white supremacist. I mean, truly zero, zero. You can't even say like, oh, this is a church where Derek Chauvin attended and they were rallying behind him after George Floyd, which, by the way, would have been the right thing to do. But anyway, you can't even say that. They've done nothing, nothing. Maybe there was a pastor who had some affiliation with ICE. Yeah.

I have no idea what my priest might be affiliated with in his spare time. Which, I mean, by the way, if that is true, good on that pastor. That's great. I hope that more pastors join ICE. I want there to be godly men who see citizenship as something that's important. I want them to be deporting people who shouldn't be here. All of them, by the way, not just the violent criminals. But I especially want them to be targeting those who are rapists, who are, you know,

killed people through manslaughter or murder or drug traffickers or whatever. There's a lot of those in Minneapolis because it's a safe haven for that kind of behavior. And so I think that pastor should get a medal. Like, I think he should be applauded. But instead, because he's an advocate for actual justice, his entire church gets punished. And that's the thing about these people. They say they're advocates for justice, but their version of justice is punishing people who are not involved in the things that they are angry about.

That's literally the opposite of justice. That, gosh, that's such a great point. The whole reparations movement for people who had zero ancestors here when we had slavery in America, who I have absolutely no connection to it, have to pay reparations to people who also had zero connection to slavery, but just happened to have black skin, like, why, the shaming of young white boys in today's day and age for sins that happened hundreds of years ago by white men they have zero connection to? It's insane. You're so right. So what they're saying now, what they're doing now is just an extension of this pernicious ideology we thought we had snuffed

out. But no, it's still out there. Here's an example. We've played this this week, but just it's timely, Lemon talking about the churchgoers in SOT 29. I think that there is obviously there's racism, and at the whole point of it is that they're trying to, they're detaining people on the streets because of accents in the color of their skin, and they're also targeting, they're targeting people of color and black people as well as brown people. So there is a certain degree of racism there, and there's a certain degree of entitlement. I think people who are, you know, in the religious groups,

like that. It's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled, and that that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy. And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country when actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male, pretty much. And so, yeah, absolutely 100%, but it's an intimidation tactic. I mean, the nerve. So these Christians are white supremacists, and they're the ones practicing intimidation tactics. I mean, it's just, it just completely turns everything on its head. It's total, it's total projection. Also, I just can't believe people believe things like this.

Like, in what world do you have to live in to believe that we only have religious freedom for white males? I mean, we have Islamic communities that are trying to create whole cities based on their religion. And by the way, I do think that people of all religions should have religious freedom, while I disagree with that kind of institutionalization. It's just not true, is my point. We have a lot of other religions that are growing in number and growing in power. But these people, especially that dumb interviewer, she's like, I think one of the worst people in media, but they're just feeding on this stuff and they're, yep, it's true.

Only white men have religious liberty. I mean, if you are progressive in this country, you live in an alternate reality that doesn't have any correspondence with reality whatsoever. I if you remember a few years ago, there was a study that came out in the era of George Floyd in 2020. And the researcher asked liberals how many unarmed black men they believed were killed by the police every year. The real number, I think, is like 12. And the average answer was above 10,000. So that just kind of gives you, that gives you an understanding of where progressives are coming from.

A lot of them are like that guy who, you know, intimidated you in the grocery store. They just don't have any grounding in the truth. And that makes you insane and it makes you do insane things. Mm-hmm. Yes. And in those 12, the Washington Post is keeping a running tally. This all came out around George Floyd. In those 12 of the so-called unarmed black men who were killed by police, shot by police,

they included, as unarmed guys who were driving cars at police, guys who had a loaded firearm, but it was in the glove box of a car that they were behind the wheel of? I mean, like, they bent over backwards to find a way of calling them unarmed when I think any cop would consider somebody, look what happened with Renee Good,

driving their car at them as armed with a dangerous instrumentality. I have something great to show you. This is video of Ms. Allen's arrest. The other gal here, she that I mentioned, Chantelle, she's now in custody. Okay, she's here. She's getting out of a silver SUV with law enforcement taking her out.

Yeah, she's got a polo sweatshirt on. She's got her hands in cuffs. She's wiggling. Oh, it's uncomfortable, is it? Oh, poor thing. Yeah. But you know what? That's the purpose of protest to be uncomfortable.

She's got double cups. Yeah, that's right, trauma. You want a trauma? You want a discomfort? You got it. They're putting a hat on her. I guess it's her winter hat. and she's getting taken away.

She likes to walk down the aisle so much. She's going to walk right down the aisle into the jail cell. And it should be a momentary thing before we get her mugshot. What's this picture I'm seeing here in the preview? Let's see it. Yeah, let's put it on the board. Yeah, it's her with the cops, her with her polo sweatshirt and one that says police, is Homeland Security Investigations, HSI on the back.

It's just wonderful to see. Why does she have double cuffs on? I think it's because she's so large. She couldn't fit her behind her back. Yeah. Not trying to be rude. I just think that's what it is. That's exactly.

Which is nice of them. Like, honestly, it's nice of them to even give her a little bit more comfort after she committed a crime. But when discomfort is the whole point, Allie. We know that if you're a good person, you will just subject yourself to it. Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah, I'm glad to see justice.

I do. I don't know. Maybe I'm a softie, but I look at something like that. And I don't feel bad for this person at all. but you do have to wonder, how did you get here? Like, I think it was you that asked the question, or I heard someone asked the question, when Don Lemon, you know, 10 years ago, Don Lemon,

he's at the top of his game, when he envisioned who he was going to be 10 years from now, and he saw himself in this church arguing with a pastor about, like, who needs to be traumatized? Like, do you think he would have been proud of himself? Yes. I never would have asked that question. That wasn't from me because I would not have attributed

such goodness to him 10 years ago. Yes. Yeah, maybe not. Maybe not. But it is a good question. It just highlights kind of how sad your life has turned out when that's who you are. And I think about this woman, like, what led her to thinking this was fulfillment or success or justice or like power or whatever it is? And now you're just, you know, a sad criminal. And yeah, people need different hobbies at the very least. Yeah. And I mean, Don Lemon, he wants to fall on the sort of shield of journalism. As a journalist, you know very well that we, when you're talking about private property, you need to be very careful. That is why you see journalists all the time saying, I'm on the sidewalk, I'm on the public sidewalk, because they know there are certain places they cannot go. That's why we went to the Vatican on a family vacation a couple years ago. Shockingly, there are parts of the Vatican that are not open to tourists.

I couldn't say, I'm a journalist. I'm covering what's in there and just walk right in. No, I would get in trouble. And Don Lemon is subjected to all the same laws. The laws don't magically disappear to you, whether it's the FACE Act, the Klan law, or trespass, because you say you're a journalist, and he's about to find that out the hard way. Allie Beth Stuckey, you're the best. It's been too long.

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Go to donewithdebt.com now. That's done with debt.com. There is breaking news happening right now that is infuriating. A Minnesota, this is, hold on a second, I want to make sure I source it. Jennifer Jacobs, CBS News, senior White House correspondent. A Minnesota federal magistrate judge has refused to sign a complaint bringing charges, I think they mean it warrant, bringing charges against Don Lemon. In connection with the church protest on Sunday, sources tell C. B.

Attorney General Pam Bondi is upset with the decision, according to one source, a different source stressed. The process is not over. The Justice Department could find other avenues to charge him. He attended the protest and so on. This is just, I mean, it's, are we shocked? I'm not shocked. Not shocked.

Not at all. I mean, judges virtually always sign off on these arrest warrants. Almost always. This feels political. We're going to find out who the federal district magistrate judge was. The magistrate judge sits right underneath the district court judge. You know, these lifetime appointments apply to the district court judges. But they get these magistrate judges underneath them. And in my experience, practicing before our federal district court means you deal with a magistrate judge on the procedural stuff, on discovery. They don't try the cases. They don't issue the big rulings. they settle petty any disputes between the parties and so on. It's definitely a lesser important judge. But apparently you can get an arrest warrant signed off on by them as well. I've never practiced criminal law. And this one has refused to do it. We'll see. We're going to

see about that. We're going to have Phil Houston get on the line in a minute, who was not only once a cop, but as you know, is a very successful lawyer and has practiced a lot of criminal defense. So we'll ask him what he thinks about this in one second. But we have two women under arrest right now. They tried to get an arrest warrant signed for Don Lemon, and the federal district magistrate judge refused. So what will happen next? All right.

All right, we're joined right now by a first-time guest of the program, a person I think you're going to enjoy. His name is Rob Henderson, and he has an incredible story from his childhood in and out of seven foster homes to his service in the Air Force to being educated, notwithstanding the fact that he graduated high school with like a 2.2 at, wound up at top universities Yale and Cambridge. He has seen all sides of our country's culture and society. And given his background, he has thoughts on the arrest we saw in Minnesota this morning and the left's anti-ice activism. Rob Henderson is a bestselling author and a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute. Rob, welcome to the show.

Hey, thank you, Megan. It's great to be here. Yeah, it's great to have you. So I just let me ask you for your layman's opinion. You're not a lawyer, as far as I know, in addition to all those other accomplishments, on this federal district magistrate judge refusing to sign an arrest warrant for Don Lemon, notwithstanding it being a totally one-sided procedure. You know, there's no defense lawyer who goes in there. This is the DOJ saying, here are the federal statutes. Here is how he violated them. Please sign this. Yeah. Well, I was reading about what happened with the storming of the church. And the first thing I came to mind was that these protesters were willing to interfere with the rights of citizens to worship peacefully in order to protect the interests of non-citizens.

So it really just shows you where their priorities are. They seem to care more about illegal immigrants than about, you know, citizens and their right to engage in peaceful worship. And, you know, I think there's a reason they chose a church. It seems to me that they believe it would be a safe target. I saw some commentary on this that this shows that they will go to any lengths to advance their political cause, their preferences. But I don't think that's true. I doubt that those same protesters would be willing to storm a mosque, for example.

Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, or an NRA convention. Speaking of the mosque, right? I'd love to see them try that there. Or even just a convention of like, you know, turning point. Like you'd have a lot more loud mouths like yours truly and you at the Manhattan Institute standing up to say, get out of here. Get out right now. I mean, it's just these are sweet, nice Midwesterners Christians at a Baptist service just trying to worship.

But look, to your point, I meant to get to this with Ali Beth and I didn't. to your point that the main agitator, I mean, the main agitator is under arrest, but the loudest is this William Kelly, who 100% is about to get arrested. Zero doubt in my mind. He might already be in custody. Maybe we'll hear about that momentarily. But that same day, he went to the church and did what he did in the faces of those innocents. He went to a mosque and we have tape of it because he posted it on his socials. Look at this in Sot 9. So we've been invited to the local Somali mosque, and as you can see how beautiful it is, this is where they do their prayer. This is where normally 500 people will, you know, come and make prayer, but things are quiet because the local community is scared to come out.

They're terrified. It was an honor to be invited to this mosque, but it was surreal to be there, and it made me feel good about my actions in that white supremacist church earlier. how can these people be not afraid to go out of their homes, afraid to go practice their prayer while these rich white people can live like nothing's happening and ignore it completely. It's unjust. It's un-American. What is what is freedom if it only applies to white people? Okay, Rob. To your point. Yeah. Yeah, that was that was too perfect. I mean, it had all of the ingredients there. You had, you know, the white person, self-flatism. congratulating and targeting other white people, wealthy white people. But I don't think anyone would be surprised

if you dug into this guy's background and discovered that he himself comes from, you know, relatively affluent family. This is a consistent pattern you see when you look at the studies and the survey data on who participates in protests, left-wing political activism. They are disproportionately likely to have graduate degrees

come from selective universities. I think there are three times. more likely than the average citizen to earn more than $100,000 a year. And it makes sense because if you are a working class or blue-collar person, you don't really have time. You're trying to make ends meet and pay the bills. You don't have time to participate in this kind of exhibitionism. Only once you have reached a certain level of material comfort, can you start to interfere with the rights of others or to kind of showboat on social media about how much you care about people who, you know, people who, you know, like non-white people or marginalized people.

I got money that his dad's a dentist and his mom, some sort of counselor. That's, I'm going to put my bet out there early. We're going to find out soon enough. Then you mentioned about how they're all out there to condemn U.S. citizens and harass and threaten and traumatized, to use Don Lemon's word, he endorsed it, U.S. citizens to protect non-citizens and not just non-citizens, but non-citizens. but non-citizen criminals, like the worst of the worst. Greg Bovino, who's the head of the Border Patrol,

he actually shared some of who they have arrested in Minneapolis in the past, you know, a couple weeks. And look at this. It's not getting any coverage, of course, because the left doesn't want to talk about this, but look at Sot 53. We've got Hoby Kumai, a criminal, illegal alien from Laos, a registered sex offender, convicted of sex offense,

against a child, including fondling and failure to register as a sex offender. This individual was walking the streets of Minneapolis just yesterday. This individual right here. Let's continue here. We've got Samuel Arabello Hernandez, a criminal illegal alien from Guatemala charged with rape and lewd or lascivious acts with a minor. Now think about that for just a second. Rate.

And then on top of that, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor. this individual's walk in the streets of Minneapolis with impunity just yesterday. We've got Annabelle Gomez, a criminal illegal alien from Honduras previously arrested criminal sexual conduct and domestic assault. Other convictions include disorderly conduct and driving under the influence of liquor. Walk in the streets as of yesterday. These are just three, three that I decided to print out, and all stack of them. I mean, that's who they're protesting to save.

That's who they're trying to alert that ICE is about to get them. Like, honestly, it's a mental illness that would make you look at your adorable, sweet, innocent children and say, what can I do to make child molesters more plentiful in my community? A lot of these demonstrators and protesters also seem to play this game where they will. highlight, you know, oh, children or women or, you know, people who are innocent, but then they are more than willing to come out in support of people, criminals, people who are breaking the law. And I think there's probably this fear that if they give in on the idea that criminal, illegal immigrants should be deported, then the next step will be, you know, widespread deportation. And so they feel like they have to sort of hold the line for criminal immigrants because once they cede that point, which they would, you know, they're going to lose on.

You know, the vast majority of Americans want criminal illegal immigrants to be deported. Then they fear, okay, well, then they're going to go for everyone else. But, you know, there's a kind of a subversive element to a lot of these protesters where they, I think they really do have contempt for ordinary citizens, the people who go to work every day, people who worship peacefully, who think that people should obey the law. but a lot of these activists believe that, you know, the law itself is emblematic of, you know, white supremacy or oppression or colonialism. I mean, they've been sort of brainwashed and conditioned to believe this. And, you know, they get a lot of excitement and pleasure from, I think, provoking people like those peaceful people in the church. I wonder if they're going to get a lot of excitement and pleasure out of their mugshots and sitting in the local jail.

because that's where two of them are right now. We'll see what happens with Don Lemon. William Jacobson, sorry, William Jacobson is a great lawyer. William Kelly, I'm in denial about my own last name. No relation, I hope. He's going to have a different experience entirely. So we've got several examples in the news. We just haven't been able to get to them of school indoctrination happening along these lines, Rob,

because all these woke teachers are dying to weigh in on the ICE pro. tests, which is just completely inappropriate, unless you're going to present it, like, with fulsome examination of both sides, really representing the one side says this and the other side says that. But that's not how they do it, as you well know. There is a teacher in Texas who is caught on tape, Texas, Christian Shearhood, caught on tape giving the following lesson to that person's students on ice. Listen here, Sot 55.

Is ice above the law? No. No, no one is above the law and if they break it, they should be held accountable, just like any of y'all, right? Can ICE lie to you? Yes. No. Yes, they can and they absolutely will. They'll also try and bait you into saying or doing something that'll get you in trouble.

Don't take the bait. Can I's profile you? No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes, they can. eyes can judge and target you based off the color of your skin, the language that you speak, or the job that you work.

These are your rights. Do not open the door. Stranger Danger 101. Don't answer any questions. Can I hear y'all say, I want my lawyer? I want my lawyer. Yes. What the hell is this, Rob? Hmm. Well, it looks like a kind of standard teacher in our workshop that left-wing activists. organize in order to, you know, advance their preferences and, you know, cause agitation, subvert, undermine. And, you know, I saw some of this when I was in college. I'll bet. At Yale and Cambridge. Yes. Yeah. And so, you know, they organize these and, you know, very, very carefully and strategically find ways to, you know, deal with the law.

deal with the police, deal with the legal system. And I remember being shocked when I was in college, you know, learning of these, for example, these WhatsApp groups or, you know, these chat rooms, group chats with with dozens of people, 40, 50 plus people in them. And essentially, they could sort of alert the rest of the members in the group chat of, hey, there's a protest for, you know, climate change or for LGBT or whatever, you know, whatever the cause of that week was. And they would just send the address in the time and they could have 40 or 50 people show up at any location within an hour's notice. So, you know, and I think people underestimate just how organized and effective is. When you look at images in the media, it often looks spontaneous or it looks disorganized

or chaotic, but often behind the scenes, these things have been very well planned, you know, often for years or decades. Oh, yeah, it's no accident. All these BLMers showed up at that church. They knew the drill. You know, I'm sure half of them were like, well, this isn't about black people? What is it? Who? This With the immigrants? What? Why? What am I doing here?

Right? Like, they don't know. They just do follow their marching orders. This just didn't. We've been talking about this William Kelly. He's going to be arrested. You heard it here. He has thoughts on Nakima Armstrong's arrest.

She was the ringleader. She was taken into custody first this morning. Here it is. Take a listen. They've just arrested Nakima Armstrong for our protest on Sunday. You know, my lawyers tell me they have no fucking case. This use of the first. Face Act and the KKK Act is complete bullshit.

But let's be honest, they don't fucking care. They don't believe in the rule of law. They're fascists. They're now going after fucking the Clintons for the Epstein files. What the fuck? God damn it, people. When will you stop fucking acting like everything's normal and going about your fucking days? Get in the fucking streets now.

It's time to shut this country down. We are at fascism. The Republic has. fucking fallen. Please, Americans, please stand up for something. Do not be the same as those in 1930s Germany. Because right now, that's exactly what you're all fucking doing. Please wake the fuck up. So to your point, Rob, my lawyers, like this crazed loony, he probably does have a team of lawyers paid for, again, in my imagination, by his dentist, dad and his therapist mom, who are advising me, he's probably got, you know, cravath on speed dial.

helping him. No, he doesn't because Kravath actually would, they would give him the proper advice. Oh, and guess what? Guess what? He's in custody. It just crossed the wires. William Kelly is now in custody. That's the third subject arrested. Enjoy prison. Go ahead, Rob. Well, what he said there was interesting in that he said, they don't believe in the rule of law, they're fascists, but many of these same activists will say that law itself is fascism or laws that they disagree with. And so, you know, they'll invoke the law when they think that it's to their advantage and then they will deny the legitimacy of the laws when that's to their advantage. You know, what, you know, the rule of law, well, you can't cross a country's borders that is breaking the law. And so if you enforce that law, suddenly you're breaking the law.

So, you know, there's a lot of inconsistencies and sort of contradictory ideas in, you know, when they talk about this, you know, the rule of law is fascism, you know, they're fascist. So they're fascist, don't believe in the law. You know, there's a lot of inconsistency there. Yeah, you should not be looking for, you know, continuity in linear thinking from these people. They're all performative outrage. That's what it is. I mean, honestly, like, he doesn't really think it's 1939. Like, he's just trying to gin up clicks. He's looking for attention. And that's the sad thing. I mean, if there's a downside to these arrests, including of Lemon, it's that it's just going to be, like it's just going to generate clicks for these wannabe starlets, right?

Like, that's what they really want. He wants his face on the MK show. So does Don Lemon, for that matter. He'll never get down any other way. So there is kind of like a, there is a downside, potentially, of charging them because they're going to be martyrs in the eyes of their weird supporters. Yeah. Yeah, I see that, that other people will see that and valorize them

or think that they've done something noble, and maybe they'll get a bit of validation from that. But in the long run, it's still worth arresting these people, I think. You know, the tradeoff is worth it of, you know, maybe they get a little bit of notoriety or fame. But in exchange, you're also sending the message that if you break the law, you're going to be arrested and charged with crimes. So, you know, it's important to be aware of that.

Now, there's another school that was in the news this week. This one's out of Washington State, Spokane Valley High School, where they held walkouts on Tuesday. day to protest against ICE. This is exactly one year after Trump's inauguration. So that's, I guess, why they chose that date. And they're basically upset over what happened with Renee Good and they're upset over the fact that ICE is there in general. Here's how that looked in SOT 54. Listen to the chance. No, KKK, no, KKK, USA. No ICE. No, KKK, no ICE. No ICE. No ICE.

No KKK, no fascist USA. No, no, no, KKK, no fascist USA. No heights. No KKK, no fascist USA. Okay, this is Ridgeline High School. To me, Rob, this looks very, like, it looks very Mao. It looks like a China kind of like indoctrination thing where, like, the children have to go out. Or like a North Korea thing where you've got to cry harder, cry harder when something happens that's bad to the dear leader.

You know, like, that's how these leftists are indoctrinating their kids. We see it when they post videos of themselves talking to their kids in the backseat of their car about what ICE is really doing. We heard that teacher doing it inside the classroom. And now you have the result of young teens standing out there chanting that ICE is the KKK, which is so ironic because the only people being charged under the Klan Act today are the people who are on their side who stormed and terrorized a church. Well, it's interesting that you bring up, you know, Mao's China and the cultural revolution. And, you know, if you read the history of that, and there are some interesting parallels between what you see now, especially the last maybe 10 or 15 years, especially, you know, what we saw in 2020. One of the interesting things is that it's not as if Mao and these communist officials pointed guns at these, you know, young people and said, you're going to go out in the streets and storm buildings and murder professors and go out into the street. and harass peasants and so on, he merely encouraged them to unleash that energy that was already

present. A lot of people, young people, are a bit naive and innocent to how the world really works. They want to believe in good guys and bad guys. They have a very sort of simplified worldview. They haven't lived enough life to understand the complexities of life. And so when you have authority figures, whether it's communist dictator or even just a school teacher or an educator saying, you know, here's how things are. And if you go out and protest and you behave this way or harass people or organize some kind of a mass political demonstration, you're on the right side of history. And, you know, there really are bad people and you have to show them that you're one of the good guys. And that can fill a lot of young people with energy and vigor and enthusiasm and kind of, you know, fuels that belief in that simplified worldview.

And, you know, it's really is terrifying. I think a lot of people believe that, you know, young people are naturally good, they're innocent, and then they had to be brainwashed into believing something, well, they have this latent energy that already exists waiting to burst free, and all they're looking for is sort of permission someone to authorize those feelings to sign off on them and channel it in a certain direction. And, you know, we're seeing that now. Those kids look really happy in that video. And I would imagine a lot of them who are there, they're there not, some of them are there because they're happy to be there,

but others are there because of social pressure or because it's, you know, just a fun way to pass the time. You know, you get to hang out with your friends and that kind of thing too. Well, yeah, and there's always like, we've seen there's so many on the left. They've got that civil rights era,

jealousy, that envy, the wannabe, you know, aspect of it. Like, they're going to be fighting for the same sort of cause and the same changes. You're the perfect person to ask about this, given all your writings, on luxury beliefs and how, you know, it is all the rich people who have the luxury of pushing things like implicit bias seminars as opposed to actually just having to work to put food on the table.

Tim Walz, literally from a mansion, his mansion, the governor's mansion, has a message for the protesters. And here it is, Satan. Thank you for standing up for our neighbors who don't have offense and don't have people to take them around and don't have lawyers to defend them. These are the moments for people to stand up. These are the moments that are not the easy ones, but these are the moments where character comes out. I spent a lot of time with John Lewis on nonviolent resistance.

The resistance matters. We're not telling people to be silent, but we're not telling people to go out and cause problems. We're going to cause good trouble. Rob, literally from behind a fence, totally protected from behind this. has to be, what, a seven, eight foot fence with his mansion behind him? I mean, like, it's almost like he teed this up knowing you were going to be on today. Yeah, well, it's interesting. So he's wearing a, you know, he is presenting himself with the aesthetics of a, you know,

a man of the people, he's got the beanie, he's got the flannel, he's got the megaphone. You know, he's kind of dressed down. And, yeah, so it kind of, I think, in his mind, he's trying to counterbalance the fact that he's standing in front of his mansion. He's standing behind this fence. You know, I mean, what is he? What is he standing on a stool or something? It's like this beautiful wrought iron or Nate Gate, too. It's not even just a fence. It's like, God only knows what that cost. And he's wearing an expensive watch. It kind of reminds me of Fidel Castro who would wear these fatigues and his hat, but then he would also famously, Fidel Castro wore two Rolexes.

And, you know, you see, see Tim Wall's there. He's got the beanie and the flannel, but he's also, almost certainly, I saw he was wearing a watch. I don't think that was a Casio. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, completely. And then telling the others get in good trouble, right? Which is like, okay. I mean, that really, what that means, I think, is civil disobedience, basically. I mean, it means, yeah, it's okay to get in trouble, but it should be good trouble. It's so interesting because he's, so he's a governor. And this really is kind of out of a communist playbook. So Mao famously told the Red Guards to bombard the headquarters. I mean, this is one of the fascinating things about communist regimes is that even the people who are in charge, Mao was the

dictator of communist China, but he would unleash the red guards and say, you know, harass the teachers, beat up officials. He would regularly encourage them to agitate, even though he was in charge of this regime. A lot of people don't know this history. And I think if they read it, they would understand and make more sense of what's actually going on here. It's strange to see the governor of a state telling people to go out and get in trouble, but you're the governor of the state. Why are you encouraging people to break the law? well, it makes a certain amount of twisted sense if you view these people kind of as your unofficial foot soldiers for your kind of fiefdom. Yes. And of course for him, the whole game is just to distract from his massive fraud scandal,

anything in Minnesota that will, yeah, that will divert our attention away from that into something else is good for Tim Wals. One more because his friend in the Democrat Party, although this guy's a Democrat socialist, Mom Donnie, who's running New York City now, Not exactly the same message, but kind of the same. I mean, I think they're aligned. Here he is in SOT 50. This was on The View on Tuesday. I want to know where you come down on abolishing ICE,

and if you believe the ICE has any legitimate law enforcement role. You know, I am in support of abolishing ICE, and I'll tell you why, because what we... You're all a bunch of idiots. What we see is an entity that has no interest. in fulfilling its stated reason to exist. We're seeing a government agency that is supposed to be enforcing some kind of immigration law,

but instead what it's doing is terrorizing people, no matter their immigration status, no matter the facts of the law, no matter the facts of the case. And I'm tired of waking up every day and seeing a new image of someone being dragged out of a car, dragged out of their home, dragged out of their life.

What we need to see is humanity. And there is a way to care about immigration in this city and in this country, country with a sense of humanity. What we're seeing from ICE is not it, and we have not seen that from them in a long, long time. I mean, if only we could be more caring of the illegals performing forcible sodomy on our little children. Really, that's what he's saying. He wants you to pretend that it's all like sweet little housewives and hard workers who've never heard of a soul just trying to live a better life in America. That's not it. I mean, I've looked at the ICE charges.

If I could tell you the number of times I've read the terms forcible sodomy, you'd be horrified. And it's always on kids. I have zero, zero tolerance for this messaging. And yet those idiots in the audience at the view are applauding, abolishing ice. And same thing was with Mom Donnie, too, Rob. Governor's Mansion on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. He comes from a very rich, wealthy family. and he's got guards and fences all around him.

Yeah, and I would imagine, well, the hosts on that show, was he on the view there? And then the audience members, well, they're never going to be, you know, almost certainly never going to be victimized by, you know, criminals and illegal immigrants who, yeah, are assaulting people. So, and it's interesting what he said there about, you know, yes, I believe in abolishing ice because they're not fulfilling,

you know, whatever Mom Dani imagines, their ends to be. But then, you know, why is it abolish? You know, and I had the same question about the defund the police thing or abolish the police. It's, you know, why not reform? You know, if you truly believe, okay, well, maybe there's some, in your mind, some kind of a reasonable compromise, middle ground for enforcing the immigration laws, then say that. But instead, it's, we're just going to eliminate this department altogether, which would thereby, of course, increase the number of illegal immigrants. So, you know, it would have been nice if they had pushed back and said, okay, you want to abolish ICE, but then what would your preference be for immigration policy?

Is it just complete open borders, you know, complete anarchy where no one is screened, you know, anyone can be here, anyone can commit a crime and, you know, get away with it? So, yeah, it's, you know, I'm not surprised to hear that from Moundan. He was also a proponent of defund the police four or five years ago. Oh, yeah. And it's shocking that someone like that is, is. is the mayor of America's largest city. It's deeply alarming. Thank God we moved out.

But it's close enough, you know, like every once in a while we go. And you got to worry about it now because you've got a lunatic running it when it comes to law and order that's for sure. All right, I got to run because we're going to bring on our lawyer to talk about the Don Lemon rejection of charges by this magistrate judge. Rob, thank you. A pleasure. Thank you, Megan.

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I now have my very own channel on Sirius XM. It's called the Megan Kelly Channel, and it is where you will hear the truth, unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megan Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halpern, Link Lauren, Morin Callahan, Emily Dershinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news only on the Megan Kelly channel, Sirius XM 11, and on the Sirius XM app. Joining us now for what's going on with these potential charges against Don Lemon is Phil Holloway, criminal defense attorney and host of MK True Crime. So what do you make of this, Phil? The reports are that this magistrate judge is, in Minneapolis has declined to sign a warrant for his arrest,

apparently not persuaded by the criminal complaint filed by the DOJ, that attempted to make a showing of probable cause. I'm just going to guess that it would have been the same two charges as we've seen against the earlier two, one under the Face Act, which if it's a first violation is a misdemeanor, and one under the Klan Act, which is a conspiracy against rights, somebody else's attempt to exercise their civil rights. Well, this reeks of politics. I can smell it here in Atlanta all the way coming from Minnesota today.

You know, trespassing is a crime. The First Amendment does not give Don Lemon a shield against violating the rights of other people. Merely holding a microphone and calling yourself a journalist might make you a journalist within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment, but it doesn't mean that you get to use it as a defense to violate other. People's First Amendment rights. It's important to understand, Megan, magistrate judges, federal magistrate judges, they are not appointed by any president. They're not confirmed by the Senate. They are hired as contractors by the judges who are the appointed judges on the court.

So they are essentially employees. They get hired from the local community. These are lawyers, probably people with certain political connections who wound up getting these jobs. and so when you factor all this in together, along with the fact that there have been warrants that were issued for other three, I smell politics and it reeks. I believe that's what it's about. Now, the Justice Department is not stuck here.

They can always go to the grand jury and they can get an indictment. This magistrate's word is not and will not be, mark my words, the last one on the subject. So they would have to go to a federal grant. jury that's already impaneled, right? Isn't that how it works? And you kind of get in front of it and you make your case on how Don Lemon violated the elements of both of these laws? Yeah, one way or another, it can go to a federal grand jury. Now, what I don't know, I think there might be a way. I was trying to research this before we came on air. I think there might be a way for prosecutors to get another bite at the apple by going to an Article III judge or perhaps a different court. Meaning a district

Court judge who's been placed with lifetime tenure on the court. Yeah, but their options, look, Don Lemon has won round one, and it's probably, like I said, due to politics, but I don't think it's over for him. I've seen the same videos and the evidence that you have and that your audience has seen. And what I see is I see a person who is acting together with people who are committing a crime. He is encouraging. He's an active participant. He's encouraging just by being there. And that takes you out of the realm of being a casual observer and squarely into the realm of being a participant. It doesn't take much to be an accessory. It simply takes facts that would show that you were actively involved, that you encouraged, that you helped in some way, even if it's just a tiny way.

And just by being there and giving inspiration to those people, I think that could perhaps be enough. So I think Don Lemon... Let's not forget, Phil, that he showed up with his cameras, which actually is encouragement to the BLM types. That's what they wanted. They wanted to make a splash with it. They loved the fact that they were on camera with Don Lemon. There's video of him hugging and kissing this Nakima Levy Armstrong. Clearly the two of them are very familiar with one another. He knew it was happening at a church before others did. That was obvious. He came in. He got in the face of that pastor who clearly, who made clear, no one wants to talk to you. He kept it pushing. He's on camera saying trauma is part of the process. Being forced to feel uncomfortable is part of

the process. He argued that the First Amendment allowed it. He said that in front of a room full of people, that the First Amendment allowed them to be all of this is assistance and participation in the actual protest. It's not journalism. No, it's, I think you laid out the case exactly right. It's squarely in the realm of participation. He's not just a bystander. I think no one would dispute that someone, even if it's an amateur journalist or a former CNN journalist, Don Lemon, has a First Amendment right to engage in news gathering

and airing the news, showing the news. Nobody disputes that, but you can't take that step over into the other arena and become an active participant. And that, I think, under the totality of the circumstances, everything that I've seen, shows that that's what, Don Lemon was. He will be arrested. When there's a will, there's a way. The DOJ is going to find a way around this federal magistrate judge, because like I said, this is something that most people don't understand, but politics, particularly local politics, weighs heavily in who gets these

jobs as federal magistrate judges. And what is the local community we're looking at? Well, it's the Minneapolis-St. Paul area. And you just can take a look at the news to see what the local politics are there. So that's sort of the... Well, you may have a problem with the grand jurors, too, because look what happened with the Tish James case, which was a real case. I mean, we took a hard look at those allegations. The audience is aware that that was not the bullshit case that her defenders claimed it was, but it got thrown out because of the prosecutor, they said, wasn't properly appointed. And then when they tried to rebring it with the proper prosecutor behind it, they had, I think, two grand juries say no,

because they're immersed in news coverage that is saturated with messaging about how shitty the cases, how there's no there, how it's just political retribution. And these grand jurors, they're allowed to watch the news. They take it in and they're like, oh, this is wrong. So a grand jury sitting in Minneapolis right now, Phil, is probably like, go Don, right? Because that's a leftist town to begin with. And then, you know, those leftist Democrats are going to be mad at ICE and not mad at Don Lemon. Well, I think that's probably why, they decided to try to go the route of the arrest warrant. Eventually, they would have to get an indictment anyway following the arrest.

Unless there was a plea deal worked out, and then they could file something called an information if somebody's going to plead guilty and you can bypass the grand jury. But I think that's why they went the route of seeking the arrest warrant from the federal magistrates. Look, the local cops could have gone in and found a local judge to make these arrests too.

Because, you know, that was trespassing. It was lots of other things probably that violated state law, But when the local government, local authorities refuse to do their duty, they refuse to do their sworn duty to protect the community, to enforce and carry out the laws, somebody else has to step in and do it. The federal government is not well suited for this. This is typically the kind of thing that the locals should do. But when they refuse to do it, nobody else is left. And so now the Attorney General and the Department of Justice has to step in and try to fill that role, a role that admittedly is not, they're not really designed to operate. in this space.

You know, local street-level crime is usually the purview for the local cops. Yeah, maybe we have a group of people that doesn't want to enforce the law. Here's another interesting thing. Mayor Jacob Frye has said nothing, nothing about the church terror.

Nothing. It's not a word. He's so, he's got opinions on everything, Phil, but not one word in defense of the people who are inside that church. And now he comes out and weighs in on the arrest this morning with the following. This is a gross abuse of power, he tweeted it.

The federal government is picking and choosing who to investigate, going after protesters, and not the person who shot and killed one of our neighbors. I am calling for Nekima to be released immediately. I mean, he's whistling in the wind. He can call for it all he wants. The answer is no. Pam Bondi doesn't answer to him,

but do you believe the nerve of this mayor? He says nothing about the churchgoers, but this, now he finally thinks, time to weigh in. Yeah. Look, I'm surprised, and really I'm not ruling it out, but I'm surprised that he might not be on the list of people also who are to be arrested, because look, it's one thing to be, to use his words, you know, to be an advocate for your constituents and for the local community, but I believe that some of the statements made by Waltz and the mayor there as well have gone beyond simply advocating for your constituents. I believe that they,

their rhetoric encourages violence. I think that now they are trying to take some steps back, now that we've seen some people get hurt and someone's been killed. I think they're trying to take a more moderate stance now, but very early on and even, you know, to a certain extent later, their rhetoric fuels this fire. It's like literally pouring gasoline on the fire every time they take to X and every time they take to a microphone bank for a press conference. Because all they do is stir people up and encourage more violence. I wouldn't be surprised if... Because they're not allowed, Phil.

They're like the state authority, the federal immigration authorities enforce immigration law. And the state can help. They absolutely can help. And in the red states, they do. But they're not required to help under the, you know, federalism principles.

Like the states have their own sort of experiments going and they don't have to help. But they can't obstruct. So like neutrality in the, enforcement procedure is okay, but actively working to undermine the federal government or like trying to block the federal government, that actually can get you an obstruction charge or some other charge. And that's why Walls, Fry, and Ellison and I think another, all got subpoenas, a grand jury subpoena that Pam Bondi had already gotten, right, to figure out, like,

what have you been emailing to each other? What have you been texting? What have you been texting to your staff, like how involved are you in making these protests that are obstructing us happen? Yeah, there's probably lots of things that are happening that are behind the scenes that we don't know about that walls and his compatriots there and the mayor might be actively supporting these people, but it's, as you correctly pointed out, you can stand out and you can voice your opinion, but you can't tell your constituents to take to the streets and obstruct ice because once you do that, you have crossed the line into open rebellion against the United States government. Look, you talk about federal authorities cooperating with certain state

authorities in certain places. These are people who are serious criminals, right? And so if you can hand them over from the security of a jail to immigration authorities, which is the way it's always been done up until the last year or so, a couple of years anyway, then You don't have people out in the streets. You don't have ice going out home to home, door to door, conducting these searches and executing these raids. You have it all done safely and securely in a jail environment, and people don't see it. But now we have to go on the streets. We have to go home to home, door to door, business to business, and have this on-the-ground presence.

And when you have the mayor and the governor fanning these flames of active resistance, there's nothing else that you can call that except open. rebellion against the United States. Yeah, they could be facing charges soon if they can get a magistrate judge to sign off on it. I'm going to repeat this reporting, but I want to tell you, we don't have this confirmed. This is from an individual who is, his name is Brian Kimber. He hosts World News with Brian Kimber. He's retired Air Force.

He worked as a security officer for the Department of Defense, he says. He's followed by a lot of people who we love and admire. And he is reporting the following. Again, take it with a grain of salt because we don't know his reporting and it's only one person. Federal law enforcement tells me that one of the two women arrested today had rented three separate hotel rooms. They were waiting for her to come out so as not to make a huge scene. The manager of the hotel, parentheses, pissed because she was treating staff like garbage and parents, told her she had a package in the lobby update here. federal law enforcement tells me that every person who entered that church is getting a warrant

and that they are also using phone records to add conspiracy charges on top of everything else. I specifically asked about Don Lemon, haven't heard back yet. And then he writes, on the three hotel rooms, they did not know which one she was in and did not want to kick three doors in in a hotel. So they just waited and then told her she had a package in the lobby. So that could be true. I mean, that sounds right. It tracks.

But I will tell you what is true for sure. William Kelly is now in federal custody. Let's take a look at the pictures. We knew it was coming. And indeed, the good news is Mr. Loudmouth Tough guy is now in federal custody. He's in handcuffs for the listening audience, not looking so tough, looking a little shocked, frankly, that his arms are behind his back and he's being taken away and he won't be able to go out and agitate in the churches of America, at least for the next few days. And good, because this is one person I think it's safe to say who will not be avoiding charges either with a leftist jury or otherwise. It's just too clear, Phil, his harassment of those parishioners.

He's clear. Everybody who was in there is clear. And if that reporting is true that they're all getting warrants, I say, great, go for it because they were all committing crimes. That guy, by the way, I'm not sure you got the right guy because that looks a lot like the guy who I saw testifying in Congress today named Jack Smith. I'm not sure if maybe they were separated at birth or, or, or, what.

But in any of it. You imagine if that's Jack Smith's like side gig, you know, in the gig economy. That's what he does. That's why he also has a presence in Washington, D.C., outside of Pete Exth's church. In any event, so that guy that what was his name again, Megan?

The picture we just showed. Bill Kelly. William Kelly. They all run together. But he's the one that's out there daring the federal authorities. I dare you to come get me. My lawyer says you can't do anything. my lawyer says this, my lawyer says that.

Well, you know what? Lawyers are wrong. Sometimes I'm even wrong. I'm actually wrong a lot. But I don't think I'm wrong about this. I think that anyone who takes their lawyer's advice to mean that they can go out and actively oppose and obstruct law enforcement. And also that they can trample on the First Amendment and other rights of other citizens. You know, there are people in that community like the hotel manager that have,

You know, they've had enough of this shit. You know, they're tired of these people. They want, they want this out of their community. They want it out of their towns. I think we have a vocal, probably a minority, but we also have a lot of astroturf outsiders that are brought in. The people of Minnesota, by and large in Minneapolis, they want their communities back.

They want these hellrazers and protesters and criminals out of there. And they want this whole thing to probably go away, if the truth be told. Here's the crazy thing. You know, they want to paint these protesters. It's like they went in and filed a lot. lawsuit last week and they got a judge to agree with them that ice should be banned from spraying pepper spray against, I mean, the ruling is basically against protesters who aren't disrupting or obstructing. Okay, well, that's already the law. I mean, like, that's, this ruling is totally

pointless, right? But the truth is they are actually getting in the faces of police officers. And there's a report out today, but on the Daily Wire, that there's this radical ICE watch group. There's a couple of them, Minnesota, recruiting white folks. to quote, break black arrestees out of cop cars, that the group is a leftist volunteer immigration, and they are telling people how to perform a de-arrest, saying how you've got to pull the cop off of the arrestee, you've got to break their hold by hitting the cop's hand, you've got to open the cop car, you got to break the zip tie cuffs, you may get hurt or arrested, but you have to do it. You can't let even one black person be taken.

You as a white person have to set the arrestees free. all of that is, what's the word we use in the law, illegal fell. Yeah, probably will get arrested. Definitely would get, I mean, they get hurt. Definitely will get arrested, probably get hurt. In the minute or so we got left here, I see, I want to just ask this question, and I don't know the answer. The federal courts are not very well equipped to deal with this type of case,

this many arrests. They are accustomed to dealing with a more orderly process. These types of street-level arrests are always taken through the local court system dealt with by local judges, local prosecutors better equipped to deal with the volume. Federal courts aren't. I would like to have some reporting in a week, two weeks a month, three months from now to find out what happened to these cases for these people who are getting arrested, were they actually prosecuted, where they just released on bail and their charges dismissed. I would like to hear some follow-up, not just out of here, but going back all the way

to Los Angeles to find out what happened there. Oh, yeah. I mean the illegals, all these street-level arrest, yeah. We'll be following everything. everybody from this church very carefully. All right, Phil, thank you for pinch hitting. We appreciate you getting on so quickly. Tomorrow on the show, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the DOJ, Hermite Dillon.

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