The Megyn Kelly Show - Dan Bongino on Status of Charlie Kirk Assassin Investigation, Plus, Cultural Decline, with Mark Halperin, Emily Jashinsky, and Peter Navarro | Ep. 1149

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

Megyn Kelly opens the show by announcing her plans to continue her upcoming live tour, why it's important to continue spreading the mission after the Charlie Kirk assassination, and more. Then FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino joins to discuss what we're learning about Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin and his boyfriend who is "transitioning," the social media posts that may have signaled they had advanced warning about the attack, inside details of the assassination investigation, what was happening on the ground in Utah in the days after the murder, and more. Then Mark Halperin, host of "Next Up," and Emily Jashinsky, host of "After Party," join to discuss Karen Attiah’s firing from The Washington Post over her posts about Kirk’s assassination, the ghoulish mentality revealed by some prominent leftists, the false claims about "cancel culture" now, the corporate media's attempt to downplay the alleged “trans” boyfriend of Charlie Kirk’s assassin, the alleged killer's reported furry interests, the potential that others knew about it before it happened, and more. Then Peter Navarro, author of "I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To," joins to discuss Charlie Kirk’s legacy, the ways the left used lawfare to target him and send him to prison, and more.  Halperin-https://www.youtube.com/@NextUpHalperinJashinsky- https://www.youtube.com/@AfterPartyEmilyNavarro- https://www.amazon.com/Went-Prison-You-Wont-Have/dp/1648212018/ref Tax Network USA: Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit https://TNUSA.com/MEGYNto speak with a strategist for FREE todaySelectQuote: Life insurance is never cheaper than it is today. Get the right life insurance for YOU, for LESS, and save more than fifty percent at https://selectquote.com/megynJacked Up Fitness: Get the all-new Shake Weight by Jacked Up Fitness at https://JackedUpShakeWeight.comChapter: For free and unbiased Medicare help, dial 276-334-2273 or go to https://askchapter.org/kellyDisclaimer: Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and stand alone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don't directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all of your options.  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show. We're coming to you live today from Sirius XM headquarters in New York. And I want to start with something that we've been talking a lot about in my house since Charlie Kirk's assassination last week. And that is the tool. that we announced last Monday, Megan Kelly Live. This is the first time we've taken the show on the road. It's a cross-country tour set to begin next month. We're going coast to coast. And we began selling tickets last week, and we began our promotional tour

where I've just been calling into local radio stations and talking about the tour and the cities it's coming to. And Charlie was supposed to join us on one stop of that tour in California. And we paused all of our promotional efforts as soon as Charlie was killed, just out of respect, first of all, and second of all, because he was in a lot of the materials and the ads that we were running, totally inappropriate, given what's happened. And then we had a serious discussion internally with my team and internally with my family about the tour. because as you probably know, if you listen to the show, I don't actually go out there that often. I'm not like Charlie in that way. I'm more of a private person. I know it's odd because I have a public job, but I just am more of a private person. And most of my spare time is spent with my family. And in all of those talks, I've heard everyone's concerns, and I'm well aware of the challenges that now face us in doing this. And all I can tell you is there is, no fucking way I am canceling one stop on this tour.

Not one stop. It's not that I don't have some concerns. Of course I do. I'm human. I, as you know, have been covering the news very closely. But there is no fucking way we're not doing this tour. It's more important now than ever. And I said to my team, at this point,

you know, I don't, I don't care if every single guest cancels on me. I don't care if there are two people in the audiences as we go from city to city. I'm going. I'm going to stand on these stages and I'm going to say all the things that we say all the time on this show. And I will speak to those two people from the heart and be forever grateful to them for showing up. I see no other way. There is no other. way forward. We can make this safe for me. We can make it safe for you and for our guests. And we absolutely have to keep talking. We absolutely have to keep this discussion going. To cower, to hide, to go silent is not the answer. You know, it's just not the answer. So I'm going. And I really hope you do show up. I really now more than ever would love to see you. all face to face. God, I would love to see you face to face. I need to see you face to face. I think this is probably the best thing I can do for my own emotional state at the moment, just to see all of you. And so I hope you come. We are going to have significant security,

as you might imagine. And so it'll be a pain in the ass to actually get into the venues somewhat, you know, more so than it was going to be. And I hope you'll understand that. but we're going to make it safe. We're going to make it safe for me. We're going to make it safe for my team and my guests and you. And we are going to get together and we're going to talk about the things that matter. And we're still going to have some fun. You know, I was really looking forward to the tour and sort of having a raucous good time. And I think that still will be the case because if you're coming out of your homes and you're going to spend your time with me, I want you to enjoy yourself. You know, I'm sure that the stop in California where Charlie was going to join us will be more somber, and we're still debating what to do there. We're not canceling it. Trust me, I'll be there. But I want to figure out an appropriate way to honor him. And I think we'll be honoring Charlie throughout the tour. That we're still debating exactly how we want to do it, but we will be. So anyway, I just wanted to start this week, as we did last week, by telling you, I am doing this tour, and I would love for you to join me.

to Megan Kelly.com to buy tickets and find out more info on it. And that's where the tickets are posted now. And I will resume my promotional tour with the radio stations and so on on this very soon. Okay. So Megan Kelly.com to buy the tickets. And I can't wait to see you. One other thing, just before I wrap this piece of it up. I was listening to my, it was my friend Sasha Stone this morning, who has a wonderful podcast and substack. And she ran this soundbite of RFKJ, where they honored Charlie over the weekend at the Kennedy Center. And I almost didn't run this because I don't want it to sound too self-aggrandizing. I'm not going to join the Marines. I'm just going out in a tour. But it was inspirational. Just to hear this comment he made about a

conversation he had with Charlie. So I want to play it for you. And maybe you'll have it in mind, I had a conversation once with Charlie where we were talking about the danger that we both faced from challenging entrenched interest. And he asked me if I was scared to die. And I said to him, there's a lot worse things than dying. And one of those. of is losing our constitutional rights and having our children raised in slavery. And I said to him at that time, I said sometimes our only consolation is that we can die with our boots on. We can die fighting for these things. I thought it was very well said. No one's dying. Everyone's going to go out, have a good time, talk about the news, and do something really important, which is say what's true and what's real, whether there's a threat or there's not. There is some nobility in that. And there's nobility in showing up for it, too. Like you always do, like all of you do. Anyway, I hope you'll join me, Megan Kelly.com for the tickets.

Now to the news, and there's a lot of it. We've got a big guest to kick off this show, and we'll get to him in one second. Throughout the weekend, and even since our AM update show this morning, there have been significant developments in this investigation. FBI director Cash Patel appearing on Fox News this morning, giving several updates first. Patel said investigators have found DNA evidence linking alleged assassin Tyler Robinson to the scene. Okay, they said that they found Robinson's DNA on a screwdriver that was on the roof, top from which he took the shot, as well as the towel that was used to wrap the firearm believed to have been used in the shooting in that nearby grassy, knoll wooded area. Director Patel says DNA found on the rifle is still being analyzed. Patel also discussing that Robinson wrote a note of some sort before the shooting. This is different from what he engraved on the bullet casings. He, in addition, wrote a note of some sort before the shooting, stating, that he believed he had an opportunity to, quote, take out Charlie Kirk

and that he was, quote, going to take it. This is before the assassination. Listen. My job as FBI director is not to speak to motive, is to speak to the facts. And that's what I'm going to do. His family has collectively told investigators that he subscribed to left-wing ideology and even more so in these last couple of years. And he had a text message exchange.

He, the suspect with another individual, in which he claimed that he had an opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and he was going to do it because of his hatred for what Charlie stood for. Those are factually accurate investigatory findings by the FBI that we've handed over to the local authorities

and the federal authorities to make their prosecutorial decisions. But I believe in this instance of such public importance, the public has a right to know. Now, it sounded like he had left that note in the apartment that he shared with his so-called boyfriend transitioning into female, which is not a thing, and that the note had been destroyed, but that they had managed to recreate it somehow. Director Patel also confirming reporting that Robinson himself is not cooperating with

the authorities. He indicated that the FBI is looking into social media accounts that appear. to indicate for knowledge of an attack on Kirk but said they must be careful in how those messages are obtained so as not to taint the legal process. His work will directly lead to Pam Bondi's prosecution of this shooter or the Utah state authorities. However, this winds up shaking out. And so they do have to be careful. While we can all see these tweets online, they have to obtain them and the data around them lawfully and through a process or the defense lawyers will have them thrown out. So that's good. They're crossing those teas. However, the Washington

Free Beacon, they don't have to abide by any of those protocols. And they are citing three people at the FBI, familiar with the investigation, reporting that the Bureau is looking into post by at least seven different accounts. Several of the accounts appear to belong to transgender individuals. And at least one of them followed the suspect in this case, Tyler Robinson's roommate, okay, so followed the roommate, the boyfriend, with whom Robin's. was reportedly in a romantic relationship. Minutes after Charlie Kirk was pronounced dead, the user posted on X, we fucking did it.

This person has since deleted the account. Another user, five days before the shooting, wrote, quote, you guys, I have something big coming soon. Just be sure to check the news. You'll know it when you see it, along with an emoji giving a wink. I have something big coming soon. Just be sure to check the news. You'll know it when you see it.

Five days before the assassination. Then on Wednesday, after the shooting, the same account writes, quote, well, that's that. And another chud bites the dust. Chud, apparently a slaying derogatory term for right-wingers. This user has also deleted the account. The freebiegen also reporting a TikTok account by an individual. who appears to be transgender, writing, quote, Charles James Kirk does not know what's coming tomorrow.

This isn't a threat. It's a promise. So how did all these people know this? Did they just get lucky? They just stumbled upon. They just had a feeling something was going to happen to Charlie, and they all wrote it, and they have links to the trans community. Wow, that's quite a coincidence.

And there's new information regarding Tyler Robinson, the suspect, as well. As I mentioned above, he was in a romantic relationship with his roommate, who's a biological man pretending that he can become a female and in the process of that, quote, transition. This news was confirmed to Axios by six sources. And not just that, but as we reported in our own AM update this morning, Tyler Robinson himself appears to have a link to so-called furry culture and a website to this culture, which is linked to the trans community and which involves, people dressing up like animals and getting some sort of sexual fetish out of it, by the way, that same so-called boyfriend who was trying to trans himself into female was constantly all over the internet in furry costumes. That's where the things stand this morning at 1213 Eastern Time. Joining me now to go over all the breaking developments is the deputy director of the FBI, Dan Bongino. If you are stressed about back taxes, maybe you miss that

April deadline or your books are a mess, don't wait. The IRS is cracking down. Penalties add up fast, 5% per month, up to 25% just for not filing. But there is help. Tax Network USA can take the burden off your shoulders and stop the spiral before it gets worse. They have helped thousands of Americans, whether you're an employee, a small business owner, or haven't filed in years. Messy books, it's not a problem. They've seen it all. Tax Network USA has direct access to powerful IRS programs and expert negotiators on your side. You'll get a free consultation, and if you qualify, they may even be able to reduce or eliminate what you owe. More importantly, they will help protect you from wage garnishment or bank levies. So don't wait

for the next IRS letter. Call 800-958-1000, or visit tnusa.com slash Megan to speak to a real expert at Tax Network USA. Take the pressure off. Let Tax Network USA handle your tax issues. Dan, thank you so much for being here. Let's just start with this person with whom the suspect was in a romantic relationship. Can you confirm this information that it was this man transitioning from male to female and that the two of them were in a romantic relationship together? It appears, Megan, from the information we've accumulated both forensically and digitally

in the comms between the two and some of the statements from family and family. friends that there was a relationship here that may have been beyond platonic. I think we have a good body of information at this point indicating that. And can I just say if I was listening to your open there, just let me say in advance, I don't do a lot of media coming from a media space. I don't have surprised some people, but I haven't. I've only done a few media appearances since I've been here for the last six months. But we believe both the director and I and others that given the public interest, significant public interest in this case, understandably, that it's important we get out ahead and share as much as we can. I only say that because there are things I'm not

as a deputy director able to come to communicate to you and other things I will. So I just want to understand. Don't mistake sometimes my lack of an answer for anything other than there's a reason. No, we don't have Dan Bongino podcaster sitting here. We have Dan Bongino deputy director for the FBI and you have to be more careful in that role. Totally got it, totally got it. Thank you. So you just blow me off if I ask something you can't answer and we can be explicit about that. The audience will understand.

Are you guys confirming, Dan, that the boyfriend's name is Lance Twiggs? That is the boyfriend's name. Okay. And how many roommates did the shooter have, the alleged shooter? Well, at this point, how many people roommate, let's say that we have the suspect in this case, and then we have Lance. How many people

they associated with and how many, in fact, lived or resided there? It's up in the air. However, there is apparently a network of people, whether they were friends. And I think you hit on the important question in the open. Given his network of friends and associates, what was the level of foreknowledge about this attack. Did they know something and refuse to say something? Did they know something and think it was a joke? Now, as an attorney, you're well aware. There's going to be a lot of opinions on the matter. However, we have to bill the probable cause case and get over that hurdle in order to properly charge other people if they do have involvement. So that's, but I, this I want to assure the audience. I was pretty clear on this in the news appearance this morning.

We are not done. Anyone under the assumption out there that this is, you know, the end of the investigation is categorically wrong. It's, you know, not even the end of the beginning of the investigation. We are exhausting every lead. There are thousands. There are thousands of leads that have come in through open source, through our Intock line, through our specific FBI tip line. Some of them did not pan out. Some of them won't pan out. But some of them may. But we're not done at all looking into any podcast. support or aiding and abetting in the case. Do we believe that Twigs had advanced knowledge of this shooting, given the fact that he clearly received texts from Tyler, telling him where to find the gun, what was written on the casings, and so on, and that he had those when you guys went knocking on his door? Well, given the cooperation of that subject at this time, I don't want to say too much about what he's saying or not saying. However, there are indicators just beyond twigs that there were a lot of warning signs here in this case. And having said that, this is, you know, this is a good moment to put out there. When you look at these targeted violence

attacks, political assassinations, space I'm unfortunately all too familiar with in my time with the Secret Service, school shootings, not random violence, not domestic violence, but targeted violence for political or ideological reasons. You see a lot of these warning signs in advance where they tell people, is that the case here? It appears warning signs were there. I don't want to get too specific about what they were. However, we hear this a lot, and I'm not suggesting it's in this case, but we hear, oh, I thought it was a joke.

And, you know, I hate the just generic advice of the see something, say something, because it gets blown off. But this happens, unfortunately, all too many times, and there were a number of warning signs there that this individual suspect in the case had taken a dark turn. And I want to put out in advance, obviously, as well as the deputy director, that everyone's presumed innocent in our republic, no matter how vile the crime is. I think everybody understands that. But facts are facts, evidence or evidence. And we really, really feel both Cash and I feel the need to talk to the public here. And again, I just don't want anyone in the public to assume sometimes my lack of an answer is in any way a problem with clarity. There are just some reasons we can't talk about some things. But we really do want to address as many. of these issues as we can with the public. Director Patel said on Fox and Friends this morning that the suspect had a text message exchange with another individual in which he claimed that he had an opportunity to take out

Charlie Kirk and he was going to do it because of his hatred for what Charlie stood for. So that sounds pretty explicit by the director that in advance there was a text exchange with another individual in which Robinson claimed he had an opportunity to take him out and he was going to do it. So that would lead any of us to conclude, Dan, that there was at least one other individual who knew that Robinson was planning to murder Charlie. Is that true? Yeah, that was a reference to the note you referenced in your opening of your show that according to the evidence we have now that that particular statement may have been on the note. We're still investigating whether that note was in fact seen in advance. We don't have the actual note. We may have been destroyed.

But there is some evidence here that there were some, you know, pre-attack indicators, the specificity of that. And when they knew it, when they saw it, that we're still looking into. Do we believe that there's potentially some sort of trans group online that may have had foreknowledge of this attack? Well, there's a number of forensic digital pieces we have indicating that this was ideologically targeted. I mean, Charlie Kirk was obviously a prominent, well-known public figure known for espousing proudly his conservative views. Charlie was a friend of mine. That's not a secret. We've had a relationship that goes back years. I have had to put a lot of those emotions aside in order to assist their FBI team in getting

answers on the case. But some of the digital footprints we have and traffic we have that we were able to accumulate after we had the suspect in custody seemed to indicate that there was a significant ideological component to this attack. I mean, clearly, Charlie was a target. Clearly, he was a conservative commentator. And when you look at the evidence we've accumulated from friends and family and digitally, the communications traffic, there appears to be a real significant anger at Charlie Kirk because of some of his ideas. Did that include his ideas on transing children and trans individuals?

When you look at some of the bullet casings, the inscriptions on some of the bullet casings and some of the digital traffic to people in his network. It appears that may have been a part of it. It appears pretty significant in this case, especially given the relationship. We want to make sure we nail that down for, of course, for charging documents in conjunction with our state and local partners. But I don't want to give up exactly what we have on the digital side right now. And I don't want to make you do anything that would compromise the investigation. I want you guys to keep your hands clean. Is it true that Robinson is not cooperating?

Robinson, to this point, is not cooperating. He has an attorney, which is his constitutional right to do so. And hence, that's why, you know, I did a cable interview news this morning about this case. That's why there are some questions I'm hesitant to answer. Because if he was cooperating in this case, again, most of us in the legal space, you included, know this. It's obviously easier to get answers because he is a suspect in the case. So you'd like to hear from the suspect. If you're suspicious of the suspect, what exactly they say they may or may not have done.

So there are some elements to the mechanics of the crime where it would be helpful at this point if Robinson was cooperative. But he has a constitutional right, which he is exercised at this point. We feel, however, again, everybody's innocent or proven guilty, but we feel, however, that we've built an extreme. strongly strong case. The FBI team did an amazing job. The state and local partners could not have been more cooperative. And, you know, I know when tragedies like this happen, this isn't time for back patting. Who cares? We lost Charlie. I mean, this, but I do want you to know as taxpayers and citizens, you pay for the FBI. You pay for your Utah DPS and other entities out there, that there's been none of this kind of internal fighting that may have happened

in the past. I mean, our ERT, our evidence response team, Megan, that was a massive crime scene, massive crime scene, hundreds of people, articles of there were, you know, I don't, listen, I can't get emotional about this. You have to just process information. But I was there in the crime scene, and we spent a couple of days there, both the director and I, And when you go in the room where they had put the school bags and then the, you know, one of the things, sorry, but one of the things that really hit me, there's a room where all of the personal articles that were left behind at the scene, which were significant, were being stored on the campus. And, you know, when you're processing all this and it hits you, weird, you know, which is weird things, you think about the weirdest of things and I just, I couldn't believe how many water bottles would everybody have. one of those water bottles. I don't know what they're called the kids have these fancy water bottles and they were everywhere in the room and there was a baby carriages and things like that.

And our evidence response team responded and immediately had this crime scene ready to go. We had an agent there in 16 minutes from the time Charlie Rashad and thanks to the incredible work of the state and local partners as well, they were able to process this crime scene and accumulate an unbelievable amount of forensic evidence. When you walk the crime scene, there is little they did not think of. You know, when I was up there on the roof. Do we have any idea why the roof wasn't covered by security? I don't, Megan.

And as somewhat in the security space, it's fairly easy for me to Monday morning called her back anyone. I have done events with Charlie, quite a few, as a matter of fact. and I've always found his security team to be very professional. I did an attorney point event where I joked one time that they had better magnetometers than I saw on the Secret Service. Why in this case was the roof uncovered? I can't say.

I think in the future at political events regardless of who's speaking, I think there's going to be a significant change in security posture going forward. Back on the subject of the defendant and his boyfriend, the boyfriend Twigs, is he still cooperating? As of this point, the family and friends, we have a good number of people, including the romantic partner who have been cooperating and continue to. That could change. Of course, we hope it doesn't where it's very beneficial to have these folks cooperating. It's of note that pursuant to the press conference where we put out the photo of the suspect at the time and the video. And the reason we put out the video, I'll answer your question, but this is important too.

There's a tie in here. The reason we decided, and there's a lot of second guessing going on, and that's important. Listen, this is a taxpayer-funded operation, the FBI. It's not a private company. You have every right to question everything. You pay for it. But we have an explanation for ever. we did was by accident. You know, when we held that press conference at night, the reason we had

the governor and everyone put out that video is we wanted to anchor the new photos we had released and we're going to put out in front of a national prime time audience. We wanted to anchor it to the video. So you understood why we were looking for this particular suspect now to get back to your question about cooperation. Pursuant to that, it was just a short time after, Thankfully, due to the work of all the partners involved in this, there were members of the suspect circle that recognized him and agreed. And he went and they turned himself in. Cash said this morning, his dad, his dad recognized him.

Yeah. Yeah. And that was due to the work of these folks. Again, this is no time for dopey, silly, you know, victory laps. Some of that stuff matters. You know, this is a serious crime that's had repercussions and will have repercussions moving forward that are going to be very dramatic for political dialogue in the country. But, yeah, that decision was not an easy one.

You know, you don't want to put out a picture. And I say, well, that picture came out earlier. Yeah, but it didn't come out earlier to a prime time audience of potentially five to 10 million people. I was sitting in the command post, Megan, with our entire team, which was significant. There were a large number of people there from state and local officials to our FBI team, to people who are going to manage the media because the media can be your friend and was our friend in this investigation

I said to them when they came in I said, you know, someone's sitting next to this guy in a restaurant right now and when they walked back in and we had an identity, an identifier, I mean to speak in jargon, we had an identifier on it. I don't want to say exactly what they said,

but when they walked back in the CP, you know, and I looked at cash and it was just this sense of relief. Were you there, Dan, when he was brought in? No, he was brought in to, it was about, forgive me if I'm not exactly correct, but it was about three hours from where we were in Orham and that whole Provo area. It was a different place around near St. George. So he was brought in there. So we had to transport him back.

We just wanted to be sure, obviously, Megan, we didn't, let me, she well know, we didn't care where he, as long as it was a law enforcement facility and we could appropriately. take a suspect at the time into custody we were not particularly concerned now i got to ask you this and you know why but is he being watched so that there can be no suicide yeah that's uh that's what we've been told from local officials who have custody over him right now that he is uh he is in fact on watch that's uh that is obviously going to remain a concern is that did he buy this gun legally I don't want to say right now how he acquired the gun, but I will say there was some significant concerns expressed by the suspect in the case about the gun and retrieving the gun. The reason I bring this up is, again, I'm here with you in every effort to share what we can

appropriately share so that information vacuums aren't filled. There was some conversation I heard on, I'm sorry, it was a news chat, I forget which one I was listening to about retrieving the weapon. And there was some confusion where I believe one of the hosts thought it was a retrieval from an FFL, a firearms dealer. That's not what happened. The digital comms traffic that we have and the concerns the suspect in this case were expressing was retrieving the firearm from the crime scene, not from a firearms dealer. Well, that's a Another thing that people are confused about, because if Cash said that they found his, what we presume was his screwdriver on the top of the building and they found his DNA on it,

leading many of to believe he had disassembled the gun when he jumped off of the roof. But then it appears when you guys found it in the woods, it was assembled. So can you provide any clarity on that? Yeah, and I was a little hesitant in a media appearance this morning to go into specifics on, especially the video and where the gun was. a reason again i uh i i'm we only we only want to be transparent yeah just tell us what you can the suspect yeah the suspect not cooperating is the video is obviously grainy and and as folks in the video space know out there we can we have a number of really excellent tools in our lab which is

they're doing amazing work and they've been up and and handling this for days now but the video is very grainy and I want to be very clear and I don't want to oh there was you know I've already seen some online travel yeah I can see it on the screen you'll see it's a grainy video now I've been I've been on that roof in that corner and when you see the camera in the distance away it's clearly not the best video now let me just go back to what I said before and I'll get into the gun don't let me forget the gun portion of it it's because what I just want to watch this for a second you'll see here yeah there's there's a couple different what we call it All right, there you go.

He's getting down off the roof. He hangs for a couple of seconds. He drops to the floor to the grass and then he runs. Go ahead, Dan. Yes. Sorry, I forget sometimes there's an audio only. I should be better. This is a former media person. I forget there's an audio component only.

I got you. The camera is quite far away. It's not the best camera to see exactly what happened to the gun. However, we have some working theories. And one of them is that he drops the firearm fully assembled. onto the ground and then retrieves it. Now, the firearm we're processing in conjunction with our ATF friends, but the firearm was wrapped in a towel.

And as the director said this morning on a cable news appearance, the towel, we did get a pretty strong forensic DNA hit. So that's the only reason. Again, I don't want anyone to speculate, oh, they're not sure where the gun or didn't. Oh, no, we have to be careful what we put out. and the video is not the best quality. It's not, and for no other reason, then, it's, you know, the video was, that camera where

it is, is not a crime scene camera. It's a camera designed for just general surveillance on campus. And when you're there, you'll see it's, it's a distance away. But I missed my, I want to wrap this point up because it's really important. You may fairly enough as, as taxpaying citizens, again, say, well, you don't during the presser, why release screeny video? because that is the crime scene there. That's where we have evidence of a suspect who shot from that location.

We have a suspect that appears to be on camera there fleeing the location. And we wanted to anchor that. This is really important to the photos we were releasing. What we didn't want is we release a photo and people say, well, why? Why that particular photo? We thought the video, the quality is okay, but the pixels are not great. We wanted to be sure we could anchor it to. Here's why this particular suspect is of interest to us right now.

I got to ask you about this Fox News report by Jackie Henrich, the White House correspondent, who says you and Cash are under fire, political fire, that she reports the White House. Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, her deputy, have no confidence in Cash Patel. Citing one source, Pam in particular cannot stand him, Blanche either. They said referring to Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche, Bondi and Blanche denied the characterization. White House officials denied any plans to remove director Patel. But the headline is that knives are out for Cash Patel.

It ends with something about you, Dan, saying three sources also point out. Dan Bongino's days are more likely numbered than Patel's, as he threatened to quit amid fallout from the Epstein feud with Bondi. I want to give you a chance to comment on those two pieces. Megan, I don't even for that. So just to be clear, I've read the report. I spoke to Jackie, everyone on the record, you just cited, on the record, said the exact opposite. You can read the report yourself.

Yep. So just to be clear, off the record who person who was not willing to put their name to any of this, who may not like what the director and I are doing here, off the record, off the record, said, wow, these guys are in a lot of trouble. On the record, everyone from the president to Todd to Pam to everyone else says the exact opposite. So your story, not you, but the story is what? Knives are, where are the knives? Who's holding the knives? The knives are out? You know, Megan, we've been here, I've been here six months.

The director's been here at seven. You know, we've moved a thousand agents out into the field. We finally found an FBI headquarters building after, what, 20 years of fighting. We've rescued 200 kids in VCAC, violent crimes against children case. We've arrested cases. We've arrested over 800 sexual predators in operation, restoring justice. We engaged in a massive nationwide manhunt for violent fugitives and operation not forgotten. We've arrested now between illegal immigrants and violent felons during Operation Summer Heat and our emergency removal operations with our DHS and ICE partners, tens of thousands of people.

The violent crime rate is dropping to historic lows. We've had Operation Viper ongoing for a long time in conjunction with the White House in Memphis, something I can tell you on your show today. The White House, the Department of Justice and Cash and I got together early, and we've been engaged in this summer heat violent crime effort. You know, you have four of ten FBI's most wanted. We've accumulated. We've dealt with the L.A. riots, the Cordillin shooting, the attack on the Minnesota lawmakers. We've dealt with school shootings, the Palm Springs incident. the Boulder, Colorado attack, public corruption cases.

We have had epic, epic disclosures in the transparency front on things you never would have seen. If the White House was unhappy and President Trump was unhappy, you and I've known the president a long time. You really believe the president's not just going to call it. Just to be clear, I don't mean to get personally, but you know the president like I do. Do you think he's the type to not call you? So I'm a little skeptical of garbage reporting about unnamed sources who may not like like what I just told you, who are saying, oh, my gosh, the knives are out.

When everybody on the record is saying, what are you talking about? Everything's going great. President Trump is not usually shy when he's unhappy with a staff. No. Yeah. I got to ask you this, Dan, and I know you got to run. But just before I let you go, a word on Charlie, because you have to, like, you're in this, I'm in a unique position in that I had to report on the death of my friend as it happened.

and you're in the unique position of now having to investigate your friend's murder. This has got to be a strange, strange headspace to be in as you have to be both a cop and check your emotions at a time when you're still a man. You're still a friend. Mm-hmm. You know, whenever I need good advice, I talk with my wife. You probably do the same thing with your husband.

You know, they know you better, right? Nobody knows you better than your spouse. You see you at your best, your worst. And she said to me, you know, about an hour or so after we found out, I had texted her. I said, you know, he's dead. And because this floor is a skiff, you can't carry your cell phone. So I had to walk outside of doing it. I'm walking back this corridor, which is not very long.

but it felt like it was a thousand miles and it's a thin corridor it's an old building and i went back to my phone and i called my wife and we were talking a little bit and she said to me a little bit into the call she said you know would you rather be on the air with your audience right now walking people through this or would you rather be in this job you know hunting this person down and i said it's clear as day i need to be in this job right now now. This is God's spot for me. And I know I can divorce my emotions and handle this, just like we did with the lawmakers in Minnesota. It is not the time for emotion about people. It's time to go find these guys and do your job. And it was powerful. And my wife said, I think you're right. I think

you're right. Yeah. It's probably also no accident God had you in this post. I don't know. Just feel like you guys are always going to take crap from the public because people are never satisfied. feel a hell of a lot better having you there than if this had been Biden's DOJ and FBI. I thank God if this had to happen. It happened under the Trump administration and the people he put in place. So Godspeed to you, Dan, and to cash too, as you guys go forward. You know everybody's rooting for you. Thanks, Megan.

Appreciate it. I'll talk again soon. Oh, God. Think about it, you guys. Think about it. Dan's strong. He's very strong. He's been through a lot.

But think about it. he's got to go out there and try to check all those emotions that I know he can do. I mean, like he's a secret service agent. You got to check all your emotions there too. But what a challenge. And what a high bar he's got to get over every morning to go out there and make sure he's asking the right questions and not doing anything to, you know, like you heard him super careful because the last thing he wants to do is say anything to Megan Kelly or anybody else that would jeopardize the prosecution.

that's really where the rubber meets the road. These guys are doing all the investigative building blocks to hand the right evidence over to the prosecutors. The main goal is, A, get the evidence, and B, don't fuck it up. Don't do anything that's going to give the skilled defense attorney. And there will be one in this case because this guy's going to be a media star. So a lot of defense attorneys who are super talented will volunteer to do this, even though they normally wouldn't do defense work that's pro bono,

to give that person a way to wiggle out. very high stakes to what we're seeing now. And yet you see a Trump administration that's determined to be transparent. When do you ever see the FBI come on television and talk about arrests like that? They don't. They're taking shit right now for saying that they thought they had a suspect in custody the night before they arrested the real guy. It wasn't the guy. You know what? It's fine. We lived. We thought they had somebody in suspect. Then they said they were wrong. Cash said, would I have liked to have had my wording back of that tweet? Yeah, but I wouldn't have taken down the tweet. I think it's fine. We're fine. They got the guy.

And I, for one, am thrilled to see them coming out and giving interviews. You never saw that. Never, never saw that with previous administrations. And there are things that you can say to tamp down some of the media speculation. P.S., he's not a right winger. Hello. That's one of the things we've learned very clearly. Coming up, we've got two of our MK Media stars here.

Mark Halperin and Emily Jishinsky, don't go away. Don't procrastinate about what matters most, protecting your future with life and insurance. For about the price of one streaming service, you can get the coverage you need with select quote. Even if this is your first time thinking about life insurance, they may get really simple. For over 40 years, select quote has helped more than two million Americans secure more than $700 billion in coverage. As a broker, they work for you for free, comparing policies from trusted, top-rated companies to match your health, lifestyle, and budget. Some providers even offer same-day coverage up to $2 million with no medical exam.

And if you've got a pre-existing condition, no problem. SelectQuote partners with companies that cover people with high blood pressure, diabetes, or heart disease. Life insurance is never cheaper than it is today. Get the right life insurance for you for less and save more than 50% at selectquote.com slash Megan. That's selectquote.com slash Megan. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Joining me now on set, our friends from the MK Media Podcast Network, Mark Halpern, host of Next Up and Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party with Emily Jashinsky. Check them both out. YouTube and podcast, just type in their names. It'll take you to the right spot. So, I mean, a bit of a bit of cover. The FBI is trying to provide for itself

this morning between Cash on Fox and Dan here, but also some real information. I mean, Dan explicitly naming the boyfriend, confirming it was a romantic relationship, confirming they are investigating these seemingly advanced noticed trans posters. So they're on it. I do trust, notwithstanding some reports, that they're not looking into the trans link, that they will. What did you make of the FBI's defense this morning? I'm a First Amendment guy, but I also believe in due process.

I've been quite honestly, I love the interview. I love what he had to say. But I think the governor and the FBI putting this stuff out, I'm not a big fan. You're worried about it. Like it's compromising. Compromise the case, but also it just sets a bad. precedent. You know, they'll file in court tomorrow. It's a state case. It's not a federal case as of now. So, again, I love the interview. I'm glad you got it. But I just, I'd rather they argue

all this in court. I understand everybody's super interested, but I'd rather just wait and have it done properly. I do not want to risk the case. I hear you. I don't think they said anything that they're going to do. What, Steve? Go ahead. Steve, trying to tell me something. Oh, it's just reminding me that tomorrow is when they're filing the charging documents against the suspect. The right way to do it. And we also expect we're going to hear a lot more about that note. Now, what we gleaned from Cash Patel was that the shooter sent the lover a note or wrote a note in some capacity, maybe online. They said it was destroyed. I don't know if that means deleted and yet because they seem to have found it anyway.

So to me, that suggests you text him something. It was deleted and then found. That said he had advanced notice. And I'm sorry, you know, Dan won't go there in Cash. But the roommate stinks to high heaven, Emily. Yeah. And that's also interesting because we keep hearing that the roommate is cooperating. So if the roommate is cooperating and there's also evidence the roommate was deleting evidence, that's a significant discrepancy. And Mark, I totally get what you're saying. I'm also wondering to what extent they've been pushed by media reports. These are public posts in a lot of cases. The Free Beacon report that you mentioned, Megan, I'm sure because the FBI is looking at the reporting that's coming out publicly, they then are trying to balance what they say with what's out there. And, man, what a difficult situation to bind themselves.

Well, they're also under fire. On Friday, I played the soundbite from Steve Bannon, who is ripping them for the way they've handled this so far. It's not just Tim Dillon, who's influential in this space, a very smart guy. He went off on them, not thinking they could figure out, like, who stole something from his Walmart receipt. I can't remember exactly how he put it. So there's been some criticism coming in, even from more right-wing or right-wing-friendly sources of the FBI. We're in a new age, right, of transparency where people are demanding our government be more transparent. And I applaud that. But again, when it comes to prosecutions, again, it's not even a federal prosecution.

They have no jurisdiction in this case right now. So I'm happy to wait a little bit, but to your point, young men, you know, they're living in a fantasy world. They're living out their fantasies online and in real life. And there's clearly a lot of culture here that we need to understand more generally. But in this case, everything I've learned so far, everything that's been reported so far, this is a group of people who are going to need a lot of excavation to understand exactly what they did. They were pointing out the FBI earlier that it took. took them 33 hours to apprehend this suspect. It took them five days to get the Boston

marathon bombers. I mean, it's a good point. You know, I think one of the things that's cursing them right now, the FBI, is CSI culture, you know, where we're like, we should know in two minutes. Right. By the time the episode ends. Right. Like, how did the guy get away in the first place, you know? And the truth is, and I asked him about the security and why somebody wasn't on the roof. And that's my own Monday morning kind of question. I'm not blaming anybody. It's just a legit question. I don't understand it. And I am not suggesting government conspiracy, like they intentionally kept somebody off the roof at all. I just genuinely don't understand how they could not have done that, given what we saw in Butler 14 months earlier.

But that, too, is a bit of like a hindsight. Because I think while they were conscious of security there, I don't think any of us goes into an event prior to this thinking we need presidential level security. Well, yeah, that's an important point. And actually, I've checked in with some of my friends who work in the campus conservative lecture space. And one of the things they told me, this was really interesting. It's that because, and you may know this, Megan, because you speak in highly public places. When you're outside, the benefit of that for a conservative speaker is that the leftist trolls on campus can't buy up the tickets, like if you're inside. And because these groups, I mean, Charlie was enormously popular, but

he's not Justin Bieber. And Turning Point USA is not, you know, it's not paramount or some major corporation. So you actually are just not even in the habit of having that kind of money to put behind security. There's always security. It's very serious. But it's actually really, really difficult to put that many resources in for a nonprofit. Nobody ever really thought about it. And it does seem, in retrospect, crazy after Butler. But, I mean, this is the new world that we're in now. They clearly weren't thinking that they needed that level, you know, like drones and snipers on the roofs and so on. I'm sad to think that this probably will change everything. This is going to change graduation speaking from now on. You know, it's going to have a lot more bulletproof glass

in front of people between them and their audience. And it's just going to feel very un-American for a long time where we're a free country. And we haven't behaved like that before, but someone, some sick motherfucker had a new idea that just changed us last week. And, you know, I personally can't wait until he gets strapped into the electric chair. I really can't. I'm sure he'll have his day, he'll go through his justice. But they have this guy dead or right. Stan's not going to say it. But they've got his DNA on the towel. I'm sure they had a palm print on the gun. It's going to match him. He confessed to his dad and the family friend. It's not too soon, though, to think about whether the prosecutors says what happened in the Idaho

case will make a deal. I know. You know, it's not too soon to start talking about that. They better not. I think we're all shocked at Idaho that they made that deal. And even the families were disappointed. So if people need to start thinking about who's going to make that decision. They better not. If we find out that there is some type of bigger picture, conspiracy, multiple people involved. Yeah. Well, all of those people need to be a prosecutor.

We're going to talk about them and also the evildoers on the left and how they're celebrating this at a level, even I can't comprehend. And like doctors and, you know. Pilots. Yeah, pilots, respected people. Anyway, that's next. Teachers. They stay with us right after this.

You know what's crazy? Trusting the government or some random insurance. agent to give good Medicare support. That's how people wind up stuck in the wrong plan. Get this. Trump's Department of Justice sued three major Medicare brokers for pretending to be unbiased while allegedly pushing people into the plans that got the brokers the biggest kickbacks. Let's be honest. The government made a mess of Medicare and no one should have to untangle that mess alone. It's overwhelming. This is why I want to tell you about chapter. Chapter compares every single plan nationwide, not just the ones that pay the biggest commissions.

Because of that, they can save people an average of $1,100 a year. That's real dough. So whether you're brand new to Medicare or you've been on it for years, consider making the call and finding out more. If you are already in the best plan, Chapter will tell you. If not, they could help you save thousands. It's free, it's fast, and in less than 20 minutes, they're going to review your options. Call the number 27 Medicare today. That's 27 Medicare.

And finally feel confident about your Medicare. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show. Back with me now, Mark Halperin, host of Next Up with Mark Halpern and Emily Jashinsky, host of After Party. Go and subscribe to their shows now on YouTube and on all podcast platforms. They, of course, were with us on the air of the day this terrible news broke. And I just want to tell all of you, I've received all of your emails thanking them and our other guests. and yours truly for that program, and we appreciate it. We've heard you. And I never really thought

about it, but it made sense to me, guys, when I read what they were saying, which was if they had to hear the terrible news, they preferred to hear it from people who actually knew Charlie and appreciated Charlie and loved Charlie and knew what he did, as opposed to like, what are you going to tune in, CNN, and listen to one of these people who's helped demonize him over the years tell you this stuff. It's just like another interesting piece of the media story, right? Like how much. things have changed and on the media story. I have to spend more a minute on Karen Atia. So this woman may or may not be familiar to our audience. She worked, I think at one point for the New York Times, but has been with the Washington Post for a long time. And I mentioned her

right after 10-7 because she and I followed each other on X. And it was an interesting relationship because she's this lefty, black woman at the Washington Post, and I'm this righty white woman in the digital lane. But we followed each other. other and like I would like her posts with her cat you know like you kind of go to the safe ones you know or like it just to me it restored my sense of humanity like you can have this relationship with somebody and she lost her mind after 10-7 she she actually liked to tweet which read this is what decolonization looks like as we were having Israeli babies murdered and I couldn't believe it was such a reveal like mask off and she and I got in

to it via DM. And I've never read this, but it's kind of crazy. I was just going back and looking at it. She's now tweeting about Charlie, which is where this is going. But she was basically saying it was a private like. And so what? And then she went off on Palestinians and so on and so forth. And I responded to her by writing. So now it's morphed from all I did was like a tweet to I liked it, but it was a private tweet to or private like to, to I liked it, but only because I secretly didn't like it got it much clearer and then she responded and now you're probably hoping that one of your followers finds me my address and causes harm to me because of a like is that what you're after here she read your mind and my response was calm down and stop playing the victim

and that was pretty much private likes i don't know about the private like no there's no private like just making sure there is no private like missing that feature but now this one so we unfollowed each other and that was the end of our weird little fake friendship And now she's out there tweeting about Charlie. So she's been with a longtime columnist with the Washington Post. And she's now claiming that she was fired for her blue sky posts following Charlie's assassination and also the Minnesota lawmaker, Melissa Hortman. The post accused her of gross misconduct, unacceptable behavior, and endangering colleague's safety. She rejects the charges as false hasty in a violation of journalistic fairness.

Her posts on Blue Sky. For everyone saying political violence has no place in this. country. Remember, two democratic law legislatures were shot in Minnesota just this year. And America shrugged and moved on. Part of what keeps America so violent is the insistence that people perform care, empty goodness, an absolution for white men who espouse hatred and violence. And she goes on, I don't care for empty rhetoric. Because America, especially white America, is not going to do what it needs to to get rid of guns in their country. Blah, blah, blah. Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. She's

quoting Charlie Kirk here. You have to go steal a white person's slot. And she is saying, this is why she hated Charlie Kirk, which of course completely takes Charlie out of context. That was in response to, it was Katanji Brown Jackson, and it was her being chosen on the U.S. Supreme Court and saying, and then what's her name came out? Sheila Jackson Lee came out and said, I was a diversity hire. I'm an affirmative action. And he was like, she openly admits that she's the following things. In any event, that's all a long wind up to. Your thoughts on Karen Atia now officially getting fired by the Washington Post. I don't like anyone being fired, and I care about the First Amendment, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer lady.

She's representative of all these people around the country. Even if everything they're saying about Charlie were true, and in her case and others, it's not the mentality of someone who would root for someone's death to be so cavalier about it, it's really shaken me as much as anything that's happened since he was killed. I just, I struggle to understand the mentality of someone like her who would do that. And there's a reckoning. The Washington Post would not have fired a liberal communist for any reason three years ago. So this is part of now a different environment. This is what decolonization looks like. No.

This is part of a different environment that exists at the Washington Post. I don't know that exists at the New York Times yet. But we see this everywhere. We see it in corporate America. There's a new sheriff in town and a new mentality. And I think that the mentality of people doing this is now being met with the mentality saying, no, this is not acceptable.

And I think, again, I don't like anyone being fired, but I think it's great that they cannot do this with impunity. What do you make of all these professionals, Emily? I mean, like, I don't pay that much attention to the blue hareds on Twitter or whatever, a blue sky. How did anyone know what Karen Ataya said if it was on blue sky? I know, it's a good point. Because given her role, people were like,

whoa, here she goes again. I mean, the 10-7 thing was bad enough, but now here she goes again. And there has been a rash of, like you say, pilots, like corporate pilots and doctors. One nurse who complained about a doctor who celebrated Charlie's assassination, she just got laid off. The nurse did for outing the doctor. But I mean, the joy at his assassination is so widespread. It's deeply unsettling. Yeah. And it's, what's interesting, is the performative nature of it too, that you would do this into a camera and then post it on the internet. It's not just feeling a moment of private joy, which is still reprehensible, but actually then sharing it. And part of me wonders if just the opportunity to share it is actually what

makes people think that they should feel joy, because you can get likes and retweets for posting stuff like this on TikTok or wherever it is. And the fact that, I mean, I think we just all need to pause for a second and think about why a teacher of children would think that's okay. And from what I can tell, dozens of professionals, to your point, Megan, I mean, there are people compiling databases that are, you have to like go through and verify and confirm it. I'm not a huge fan of, you know, some of what I see looking like crack down type stuff, but there needs to be shame and there needs to be a pause and say, what in our cultural psychology right now is making so many people think it's rewarding to post that publicly,

to celebrate stuff like that publicly. It was completely insane. And it's beyond just the reasonable spectrum of opinion on an editorial board of a newspaper. I mean, it's completely, we're talking about like doctors and nurses. I genuinely don't get it. I don't get it. There are a lot of people on the left. I can't stand. A lot of them. Long list. never in a million years would I celebrate something like this happening to them. I want to add one more level of insanity to it. The Washington Posts in New York Times this weekend wrote about these things. And their reproachfulness in the news stories was not about what people were writing.

It was about people trying to call attention to it and they're being fired. All of a sudden, after two decades of celebrating cancel culture, of having no hesitation to help people get fired, all of a sudden, it's like how could people be identified as doing something? wrong and be fired for accountability culture yeah all of a sudden and it's like it's like no these stories should be about what's wrong with america that people who are teachers and doctors and pilots would say these things about a man who was just assassinated no it makes me wonder like do how can we have that teacher teaching a class full of students that may include kids from conservative families how can we have that pilot flying a plane that may include someone like me like i i don't want any of that

And I also just feel like I don't give a shit. A certain male gesture comes to mind when I hear them lamenting cancel culture. Do you know what I mean? That's exactly what I want to do. Like, you've got to be kidding me. I mean, honestly, some of us have actually experienced cancel culture up close and personal in our face over talking about fucking Halloween costumes. And now they want me to feel bad that somebody gets fired because they cheered a political assassination of an innocent 31-year-old father of two. I don't. But they're saying this is ominous that our culture could head in this direction.

Where were you for 20 years as our culture headed in this direction? It's just your friends weren't the targets back then. And the common thread is this inflation of a definition. So racism. If you can inflate the definition of racism, you can weaponize it. And that's what's going back to the Karen Nataya post. It's like, this is obviously in context. You're a journalist.

Take some time to contextualize it. Read the full remarks. Don't just take a social media post. Like, that's insane. and honestly disqualifying if I'm an editor at the Washington Post in the first place, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? You're so careless. Yeah, this is insane.

How did it make it into print? Like, that's also crazy. But, because that wasn't just a Twitter post, that was in her column, wasn't it? Yeah. So that's crazy. But secondly, like, how do you even get to a point where, as a journalist, you aren't actually saying, this is the argument at hand. You're taken out of context.

You are flattening it into something completely. completely different and doing that in good faith. It's not. It's bad faith. It's either bad faith or incredibly stupid, but that's what's been happening over the last 10 years. As many on the left have either cheerleaded for that or stayed silent. And if you're right now concerned about cancel culture, join the club. Like everyone's been on this bandwagon for 10 years outside of illegal. By the way, you created the bandwagon. Yeah. You built it. But that's what happens when you're broadening these definitions of racism, sexism, misogyny. You end up not hearing the nuance. And for Karen Ataya, she's not making the best argument. It's hurting her at the end of the day

because she ends up making a stupid argument instead of one that actually would make sense. She's like, well, now I'm free to say, I'm going to be even more bold. Oh, great. Literally, no one's going to watch that. Five days ago when Charlie was alive, people like her, Adam Schiff, their whole orientation in life was Mag is evil, Trump's a fascist. And I'd say, you know, maybe for 10 hours after Charlie was assassinated, they were like, well, let's consider everything. It's all just back, right? They can't help but go back to their orientation of, you know, they spent the weekend trying to say that this guy was super MAGA,

and that's why he killed Charlie. They did. They saw two white parents who were registered Republican. He's not. The shooter's registered unaffiliated. And everybody, everybody from the Utah governor to the FBI, to his friends and family say he'd been radicalized leftist. But they won't.

They just go with, it seems like a MAGA loving family, so he's MAGA. Right. But now they're back to having the orientation they had before. Charlie must be demonized in death because he was close to Trump because that's all the only way they think. So they're all in a location. Is it that, Mark? Is it that a legit question? Like, I don't know the enormous threat. They don't, they don't know. They don't know what a threat he is. They don't be they know. They know so little about him. I think this could change the entire midterms. Do you? Yeah. I think this could be galvanizing the way the Dobbs decision was. But they have no idea what he did. They don't have any idea what his following is like. And this weekend, you saw the donations. You saw the chapter request to be formed. You saw the vigils around the country and around the world.

They were barely covered. Again, you just think if this were a democratic person of Charlie's place in the world, close to a Democrat, like close to Barack Obama, it would have led, these vigils would have led every newscast. It would have been in the front page, near times. There's going to be a statue. Yes, barely covered, partly because they're hostile, but I think more because they don't understand. They don't know anything about them. can't tell you the number of well-informed Democrats who said to me, oh, I've learned now about who this guy was. I really didn't know much about him, except he was some sort of young guy

who was for Trump. They don't understand that he was literally an historic figure and his memory. If turning point can execute, if the vice president and his team can execute, I think it could change the whole election, but they don't know. It's just like they've underestimated MAGA for 10 years. People are flocking to the Republican Party in droves right now, not only because they want to be on Team Charlie. They want to stand for the things that he stood for. But they're looking at what's happening on the left saying, I don't want anything to do with that, right?

Like, I don't even want to be associated with this vile reaction to something so horrifying. That's, I think, the one thing that they really don't understand, that their side has become so repugnant. They're driving the few people that were aligning with it before away. When I grew up, you know, 70s and 80s, my family were all Democrats. We weren't political, but they were all Democrats.

It was like, okay, we were Catholic. So they didn't love that the Democrat Party was pro-abortion, pro-choice, whatever. But they thought Republicans were for rich people. We weren't rich. So we had to vote Democrat. That's pretty much what. Now my mom was 84. She looks at there.

She's like, oh, my God. She doesn't recognize anything. Like, she voted for Trump. And she, God willing, will vote Republican again. But I think they're not, they're not sufficiently calculating it. And I also think, Mark, if they did, they still. wouldn't change. I agree. Totally agree. Well, I'm going to say that's actually where it gets even worse for them because as Charlie grew into the man that he was until last week, he had become

so popular in the context of evangelizing and bringing people. I mean, Brad Wilcox, who's an expert in trends about marriage, has looked at the data and recently said, Charlie Kirk may have been responsible in no small part for encouraging young men, like why we're seeing this movement with young men in terms of marriage. You can also look at young men going back to church. The blind spot that people who are just now coming to understand what Charlie Kirk meant to Gen Z, that's remarkable in and of itself. I mean, if you didn't know about that last Monday, you're completely out of touch with the average, like, 18, the 29-year-old, actually younger than that, probably like 14. He was such a good example. You know, he,

Erica said in their, like, how they met and fell in love video, that he would wait a up every morning and say to her, how can I serve you better? You know, he, and he took all the shit for, because he was on camera saying, women just submit, just submit to your husband. It took some shit from me for that, actually. Yeah. I mean, it's like a jarring comment, but for 2025. But I think he didn't mean, just go along with everything your husband said. He meant there are traditional roles and goodness can come if you choose to, to follow them. It's not, I said this on the year last week. It's not how Doug and I approach our marriage. but there's something beautiful about asking a wife to submit to the husband's needs and desires

at some point and having the wife, having the husband wake up every day saying, how can I serve you better? Yeah, it's Ephesians 5. And that's what he was talking about in the clip that I gave him shit for, honestly, because I thought he should have kept going a little bit deeper into the verse, which Erica has since said is one of his favorite verses, Ephesians 5, which talks not just about the wives submitting, but also about husbands loving their wives as Christ loved the church. It's beautiful, and that is a very positive example that we never saw in popular culture until people like Charlie Kirk broke through. He gave these young men a model, a model for how to date, how to ask a woman out, how to woo her properly, court her, as Charlie said, not just when it comes to paying the tab, but when it comes to actual courtship and being a man and being assertive and being confident and being somebody a woman would be attracted to, right? But not being Andrew Tate.

But not being Tate. Yeah, exactly right. And then how to be a husband, how to be a loving husband, a loving father, how to prioritize your private life, how to talk about your future goals in a way that's aspirational and directed as opposed to just wandering and meandering. A huge priority for him and a huge source of his appeal, which, again, people who haven't studied him or listened to him don't realize. They just think he was like some Trump flunky. They're going to learn the hard way. I hope you're right about the midterms and beyond because I can feel those high school chapters turning into voting Republicans in the next. couple of years. Mark's got to go. Emily stays with us. Don't go away. We'll be right back. You've heard me talk about jacked up fitness and their amazing all-in-one home gym. They know that many people are short on time and money, but still would like to get fit. And now you can start your fitness journey for under 60 bucks and in just six minutes a day. Introducing the all-new

shake weight by jacked-up fitness. 15 years ago, the original shake weight shook the world. Now the fitness legend returns. Bigger, better, and built to perform. Why now? because science has finally caught up with the explosive power and fast-twitch muscle training, something that the shake weight delivers in a compact, powerful way for beginners, heavy lifters, and serious athletes alike. Beginners could tone and tighten arms, shoulders, and chest, and athletes could sharpen reaction times and build explosive power to get that competitive edge. The shake weight, it's no joke.

It's serious training made simple. If you are looking for a fun way to jumpstart or supercharge your fitness routine, Get the all-new shakeweight by Jacked Up Fitness at jacked-upshakeweight.com. That's jacked-up shakeweight.com. Like most husbands, even the good ones, were sometimes imperfect. And I took for that moment that I needed to be a better husband and I needed to be a better father. Because of all these moments that I shared just the last few days, the books that I've read to my kids, going up to their bedroom and kissing them

and hugging them before bed, I just realize that all of these moments that I get to have, Charlie, is not able to have them anymore. And Charlie's kids and his beautiful wife are not able to have them anymore. And maybe the best way that I can contribute and the best way that I could honor my dear friend is to be the best husband that I can be,

to be the kind of husband to my wife that he was to his. Wow. That's the Vice President of the United States. who is close personal friends with Charlie, hosting Charlie's show today from the White House. His team was on the White House along this morning, getting ready. And inside the White House, they had on Caroline Levitt, they had on Stephen Miller, J.D. Vans playing podcast host,

to honor his friend in an extraordinary moment. And good for him. That's so beautiful. You had, of course, these leftist assholes out there ripping on him. Like, don't you have something better to do? Okay. You know, it's something that is a beautiful trip. It's a tender-hearted thing that most people with a soul can recognize is a beautiful tribute that might help the family and others heal.

So honestly, just screw you in your ugliness. I do want to play Jamel Hill, speaking of so-called journalists who have it all wrong. Here's this jerk, SOP 15. Of course, as you all know, in the wake of Charlie's murder, there was an incredible amount of evidence. angry discourse from the right, blaming the Democrats, blaming liberals saying you're the reason this happened, only to find out, surprise, 22-year-old white dude, love guns, raised by two parents, lived in a good home, dad as a minister, also a sheriff, didn't check any of them boxes, y'all thought even checked, did he?

Okay. First of all, a coat of mascara would be your friend. I'm just going to tell this to you, woman to woman on television. You need a little work. And you should have them back off the camera a little bit because you are not attractive enough to have that extreme close up. Push away your laptop, Jamel, and add a filter or two. Honestly, like we actually don't use any on this show because I do put on makeup so I look presentable. But you need work. Because you can't both be ugly on the outside and the inside. You need to choose one. Okay? choose one. That is disgusting. That was absolutely disgusting. Fuck her. It's weird how she lost the points about him being a furry loving, trans dating. I don't even know what this guy's fetishes were, but leftist ideology infected guy who wrote on his bullets, anti-fascist catch and notices bulges OXO, et cetera. Didn't make her little monologue. The smugness in that clip is unbearable and unthinkable for any decent human being to go and make a public statement in the wake of somebody being assassinated in cold blood on a college campus for practicing free speech. The impulse to take a smug victory lap because you think some people on the

right got it wrong when you're incorrect. Right. It's astounding. I mean, the confidence and the arrogance with which people are coming out and spewing some of this stuff tells you everything you need to know about the double standard because if the standard were fair, if conservatives and liberals were treated fairly in media, that woman would have been laughed out of any serious venue. I guess maybe she kind of has, but like it never would have stuck. What are they going to do when and if it turns out that there's some trans ring that knew about this and possibly helped? Honestly, what is the media going to do with that? They won't talk about it. I mean, they're already not talking about it. They're already like downplaying that part of the story. NPR this morning was like,

we may never know the motive. Yeah, which is what happened to Butler. We know. We know. We know the motive. Yeah, same thing. I mean, we may never know. So we must just move on Las Vegas. We may never know. So we must just move on. I mean, literally wrote it on the bullet casings. It's crazy. I mean, it's so insane to be talking like that right now. And I mean, like, I, Charlie had enemies on like the disgusting fringe right. And so it was not impossible at some point that that could have been the case. And the best thing for everybody to do was to keep their powder dry because we didn't know, although there were already signs that it was heading in this direction. And when you have a conservative who is shot in cold blood in the middle of

talking like a conservative on a college campus, I mean, there's some pretty obvious assumptions. And look at the moment he was shot. Exactly. That was another tell. He was talking about trans shooters committing violence and causing mass shootings. That's the moment that this particular shooter shot Charlie dead. I mean, like all of this is going to come out, and we are going to figure out whether those tweets in advance of the shooting

about something big is going to happen and then we got them are in fact more than just random coincidence luck in predicting this event. I mean, look, we all know how this is going to land. There's just no way that many

of these trans people tweeting out from these accounts just happened to call it. Like, just happened to randomly predict Charlie was going to get hurt at this event. Fucking no way. There's no way. And the one thing I want to know is how many other people in the crowd were in on it.

You know, already people are super analyzing the video, like, were those hand signals, did this person distract in order for him to get away? Because you, Mark, and I were discussing in the break, like, how did this guy know that he was going to be able to just get on the rooftop? Right. I mean, how did he know that there wasn't going to be a security guard there? Right. How did he realize that it would be such easy ingress and egress from this spot? Or some type of obstruction from that point to the speaker. I mean, who knows if there's like some type of barrier that gets put up a sign.

That is genuinely interesting. And I also, I mean, I know I get Boston bombers five days. It took them a really long time. That was a completely botched investigation. But this is a person who was out on the streets for 30-something hours after assassinating a human being in a very crowded area. So there are a lot of questions that still have not been answered. And the sooner we get to those answers, the better. because otherwise people are going to fill in the blanks and reasonably so in some cases because

these questions just seem like the handful of social media postings. It's not just one. It's not just two. No. It's more than that. Multiple. Go look at that free Beacon report online. It's heading their website right now. It's got a lot of details and it's very dark and it's very believable. I'm sorry, but it is. We looked it up just in the past couple of years we've had seven mass shootings by trans identified shooters. Seven. This is number six. This is number six. Seven. This guy's not trans, but he's into furry culture and he's dating a trans person. It counts. And he's written trans messages or furry messages on his bullet casing. So we're good. Seven. That's a big number. The left won't tell you that. They'll pretend that it's nothing.

They go back from the beginning of shootings and say, percentage-wise, how many is it? That's not the meaningful metric. Something has to be done. I mean, we need to be protected. Right now, the law is that you must hire this person that if you would otherwise hire them. use their trans identification as a reason not to hire them. Bostock, Neil Gorsuch. Thanks a lot, Neil. That'll be undone. That's going to be undone. 100%.

It's going to be undone. That was written at a time before we had all this when we were still in the fever state of wokeism, thinking it was just kindness that was holding us back from recognizing these people. And now we've just seen an explosion of serious mental problems around them. It would be absolute folly to require employers to take these people on. Are you kidding me? or what about schools?

What about a pilot? What are you like, you want this kind of a person teaching your child? I don't. Furry is somebody who's on this spectrum at all on the trans. I'm sorry, but I don't. Well, in that case, and correct me if I'm wrong,

but part of it was going back to a funeral home where the employee was dressing as the opposite sex and the funeral home directors was family business. We're saying it's making people uncomfortable when they're mooring and grieving, which is such an obvious like downstream,

Consequence. Right. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I think there should be a paradigm shift at this point. And we, you know, remember, this is what within two weeks of the shooter in Minneapolis. And so there's obviously. Which has been totally memory hold. And there's some copycat potential there as well. We know that there's media contagion as it relates to these types of shootings. So, I mean, that seems, again, like a pretty obvious piece of the puzzle here that nobody in the major media outlets is talking about. Yeah. It's, it's deeply disturbing. I mean, will. but we'll continue to talk about it. The MSNBC, they put out like this, the court, there was a corporate letter by NBC. Like, we're going to lower the temperature. Of course, because it was MSNBC that had Matthew Dowd on right after Charlie died,

blaming him. Oh, he didn't even know if he had died. Yeah, he was ready to. He was just like, whatever, you know, he got shot and he deserved it. And now here's MSNBC, misinformation reporter, Brandy Zedrosgni. Oh, yes, she's on the case.

This is on Friday. Listen, here's what she's. had to say. It's not 16. Again, it's really hard to tell when you look at what he put on these shell casings allegedly. It's hard to decipher if he really means them. If he's trolling, if he's making fun, if he is trying to set up another ideological enemy for the shooting, it's just impossible to say. Is it? Because now we've heard from the Utah governor who says specifically he was indoctrinated in left-wing ideology, which his family has backed up. We know he hated Charlie Kirk. And on top of that he's into furries and he's dating a tranny. So fuck off. This brandy.

I look at, I look forward to you updating a report on MSNBC, which will never happen because she doesn't actually care about misinformation. Megan, I'm putting my glasses on because I think you are actually doing it wrong when you are wearing hipster glasses like this. You have to do up talk and be really, really pedantic because here's the thing. We just don't know that people who are into furries are a little bit weirder than the average person. Who could possibly know? I mean, it's just absurd. Oh my God. To say that in public. And by the way, there are all kinds of layers of irony that go into online shit posting and trolling. It is a deeply weird world, but it is not healthy. And that's the black and white distinction that you need to make. It is postmodern bananas craziness. It is a gateway to insane, like, Marxist ideologies. Obviously, many people have gone through that with their children. So to just kind of whitewash it like that is pretty stupid. Yeah. I mean, this is like, That's one of the big questions we have, which is how did this happen to him?

Like, how did he go from a relatively normal-ish kid? I mean, he did get a full scholarship to Utah State and then dropped out after only one semester. So something happened. We're going to find out what. To me, he seemed like he was on the spectrum in a couple of those videos we saw. He had the perfect grades. He had a nearly perfect ACT score. He was obviously very, very bright.

Sometimes you see that in like severe social deficit. I can go with that, not always, but sometimes. and then he got radicalized somehow. Was it through these gamer? Like, we need to know. We got to figure out. It was like somehow game culture. Was it the fact that he was into trannies?

And this guy radicalized him. This guy, Twigs, who's now cooperating. I'd cooperate too if they found out that I knew about the shooting prior to the FBI knocking on my door. You know, and now they're here. And they've got evidence. I sat on this. Yeah, I'd cooperate too. I'd be begging to save my own ass.

I'm sure that's what he's doing. And it looks like there were posts on Discord. after the shooting, which is interesting. Well, with their friends, where they said this looks like Tyler. Right, and it's not the dad. It's not until the dad turns him in. Yeah, no, the friends didn't actually believe it was Tyler. Right, but did the roommate slash lover think that or know that?

No, that person clearly knew. This is my supposition. I don't know this. That person clearly knew. They had a note. It was on the, very clearly what the FBI is saying without saying explicitly was the shooter wrote a note to the room. roommate that was later destroyed saying he's coming to town. I have an opportunity to kill him

and I'm going to take it. So fuck off, twigs, because you appear to be the one who received that. That's my guess. But you definitely received the notes about I have bullet casings. Here's where the gun is. And I don't know whether he was looking for. Here he is in his little furry wear. What's his first name, Deb? Lance. Lance. Okay. Thank you. But then he changed it to Luna. He started going by Luna. But he clearly received the texts about the bullet casings and the gun after the shooting and where they were. It sounded to me like the shooter was looking for help cleaning up the mess that he left behind. Again, my supposition based on what they have told us, but he did send texts to the roommate. And now they have to be nice to him when there are discussions about him because

he's talking. And they'll be nice until he can say nothing more new. And then hopefully he will wind up in cuffs. That's my own prayer. I mean, I think it's going in that direction pretty clearly right now. I mean, it is almost impossible to conceive of a situation where this person from what we know right now had absolutely zero inclination, that there was something going wrong. And whether or not that's on one side of the law or the other, it is still a pathetic statement on this human being that they saw another person spiraling and apparently let that happen without realizing, oh, there's a gun involved. I mean, presumably this person knew he had a gun. There's no way he didn't No, there's no way. In my opinion, he knew. I'll bet he knew in advance. I'll bet he told some of his trans friends. And that's why they were posting online. This is happening. I think there's a much larger group that knew. And the only questions I have is how big was it and who else was in on it? And like at what level did it go to what level? As you're saying that, the other thing I'm thinking of is that in a lot of these cases, if not almost all of them, the person is killed at the scene. And or, you know, Butler, that was the case. We don't know.

if he was trying to get away. We've no idea what was going on with that. But this is someone who actually had an escape plan. And that's not common in a situation like this, which does invite, I think, a lot more questions about who else may have been coordinating. That's a hard thing to pull off. Did he have help? By the way, he wasn't a student at this university. So how did he get into the building? Whose ID did he use? That's probably one of the first questions they're asking themselves. And how did he know that there wouldn't be security on that rooftop like we now see, at least, you know, post Butler, that's going to be more common, or at least a drone, how was he so confident?

The FBI telling us today, for the first time, they believe he may have thrown the gun off the roof before he jumped. That's news and information, but we're going to learn more. We're going to learn answers to all these. Before I let you go, can you just speak to the positives, like the outpourings that we've seen, like South Korea, New Zealand, all over the Poland, the UK with that Tommy Robinson March that was chanting for. Charlie, like, all over our country, that the turning point submissions to form a chapter

at your high school or your college, there were 900 college, there were 1,100 chapters in high schools, they've received 32,000 applications as of 36 hours ago. It's probably double that now. They're way, like, these are Charlie's social media followings, which were at 20 million, have received 25 million more. It's incredible. And Erica, of course, is saying, this is only the beginning. I'm not slowing this thing down at all. I love that message. It's a challenge, obviously, without Charlie. But I feel like people are super motivated to hear more of his type of messaging and to get on board with his mission in a way the left never could have predicted before this. Chris Martin of Coldplay, Chris Pratt posted a beautiful public prayer. And Pat McAfee during

college football. I mean, I was at a... Every NFL team, but five? Not honored Charlie this weekend? Yep. I was at a county fair on Saturday and saw people in a homemade t-shirts that said Charlie Kirk on them with a cross, like Sharpie on a white t-shirt. Wow. Incredible. And so, yeah, I think this is something the left still hasn't quite wrapped its head around is this was not just a political assassination. There was a cultural assassination.

This was somebody who was intertwined in the fabric of Gen Z's popular culture. And, you know, this is turning points moment. I mean, whatever differences I've had with them in the past, God bless. Like, this is a huge jumping off point. They're not going to be slowing down anytime soon because Kirk trained up thousands of many Charlies, who now, by the way, have the best of Charlie as their example to go forward with him talking about his faith, his marriage. Just before he passed away, he said he thought his job was to prevent a revolution.

That is an incredible example for young conservatives. And they now have that. and we'll take that as rocket fuel. I love how Erica mentioned in her remarks, we're going to make heaven crowded, honey. We're going to make heaven crowded, like, get everybody there. That was his goal. Get everyone there.

That's how Charlie Kirk looked at the world. I do want to show this one video that jumped out of me. I thought it was so beautiful. His name is Robbie Wood. He posted something on TikTok about him wearing a suit. And for the listening audience, he's in one as he's speaking to SOT 27. I didn't know. Charlie Kirk never met that guy before in my life

and something else that I've never done before in my life is believing God I'm going to wear this suit to church I'm going to go to church I'm going to try to be a better father husband and leader for my family I'm going to try y'all look at this suit

I look good bro yeah you do my wife made me feel this way Charlie's made me feel this way Wow And on the post Emily His dad responded Writing son you look like a million bucks

Keep your head up son And that fire in your eye Your dad is so proud of you I love you with all my heart And he responded I love you too dad Let's go That's awesome

And I mean that is just awesome And Charlie started as somebody Who was using his platform him to talk about fewer taxes, smaller government. He ended talking about how the most important thing that you can do in the world is have a beautiful family, be a good husband, be a good father, be a good member of your community, be a good member of your church, go to church. That is so special. It really is. It's amazing. Those are the people I'm focusing on these days, not these losers like Jamel Hill, though they managed to work their way into my algorithm here and there, Emily,

and it gets my blood boiling. They do need to be called out, but I'm just more focused on his legacy. It's crazy. It's huge. And it's growing by the minute, which is super exciting. Lots of love. Thanks, man. We're going to be right back with Peter Navarro, who's here with us at Sirius XMHQ. I'm Megan Kelly, host of the Megan Kelly Show on Sirius XM. It's your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal, and cultural figures today. You can catch the Megan Kelly show on Triumph, serious xm channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love great people like dr laura i'm back nancy grace dave ramsie and yours truly megan kelly you can stream the megan kelly show on serious xm at home or anywhere you are no car required i do it all the time i love the serious xm it has ad free music coverage of every major sport comedy talk podcast and more subscribe now get your

first three months for free Go to SiriusXM.com slash MK Show to subscribe and get three months free. That's SiriusXM.com slash MK Show and get three months free. Offer details apply. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. We've been talking a lot in the past few days about the way the left has amped up the atmosphere in America over the past few years. Claiming President Trump and anyone associated with MAGA are part of some fascist takeover. They don't care how they talk about it.

the right. They don't care what the consequences are. Well, one of their mechanisms, of course, has been their use of lawfare. And one of the most egregious and prominent examples of that is Peter Navarro, who served as director of the Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy during Trump 1.0. Last year, he spent four months in a federal prison in Miami after he was convicted of contempt of Congress, after he refused to cooperate with the J6 committee and prosecutors and a judge rejected his claims of executive privilege. You may remember this, dramatic moment from the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee last year, when Navarro spoke about being released from prison that same morning and revealed a surprise female guest.

Yes, indeed. This morning, I did walk out of a federal prison in Miami. Joe Biden and his Department of Injustice put me there. Navarra, I went to prison, so you won't have to. This is my beautiful girl. She did the time with me. That's what these frigging Democrats don't understand. They do this to our families. She's my girl. A kiss and a hug. Well, Peter's now back. He's working at the White House as President Trump's Senior Counsel for Trade and Manufacturing. And he's out with a new book with the woman you just saw on your screen, his fiance, Bonnie Brenner. It's called

called, I went to prison so you don't have to. A love and lawfare story in Trump land. Peter joins me now. Great to see you. Thanks for being here. That's so nice to be with you here, man. I'm sorry that you're saying. We wanted to do a big segment on the book,

but you know what the Charlie News. Yeah, we're grieving here. But the only thing about the book is it's so germane. I mean, I wrote this as a warning to America that if they can come for me, they can come for you. If they can come for Donald Trump, they can come for anybody. And what's so disturbing about what has happened with Charlie is this asymmetry between what the left does to us and what we don't do to them.

And if you think about it, you have the very worst with the assassination, Charlie Kirk. The other end, you've got both Steve Bannon and I going to prison for doing nothing more than defending the Constitution in between. You have four carts of law trying to put Donald Trump in prison, two assassination attempts. Everybody I was in the White House with, Megan, during the first term, suffered from lawfare in one way or whether it was just getting subpoenaed and having to spend millions of dollars like Dan Scabino, Mark Meadows. I was here, I came, I'm here in New York because I was at the 9-11 ceremony in the morning, the reading and the names, very moving. And who was there? Rudy America's mayor.

The man had just been hit by a car like a week ago. His ninth thoracic spine was in Champles. That man was there, but you know what the left has done to him? They bankrupted that man. And we don't do that back. And here's the problem. if we don't hold them accountable for the lawfare, they're just going to keep doing again.

Whenever they get in power, they want to go all kumbayana, oh, let's come reason together. And they call us fascists. Isn't that ironic? We're the fascists. We're the ones they put in prison and kill. And they're not the fascists.

It's been amazing after Charlie's assassination. Our side has been out there singing amazing grace. holding vigils, calmly together, holding one another. There's been no riots. There's been no destruction of property. There's been nothing that endangers cops. There's a very clear and stark difference between the two sides. That's who we are.

And they're dancing on his grave. Yeah. And I want to say this very clearly. It's like there's the left now, even when they kind of praise Charlie and say he never should have been shot, there's always a butt. there's always a butt. And whenever that butt comes in, that's a license to kill. And they're sending the wrong message to people. I don't understand.

You would never say, oh, you know, I disagree with, forget, I'm not going to name it to be in this hypothetical, but like far left Democrat congressperson. But I'm really sorry they got assassinated. Like, you don't have to say the part about it, I disagree. That's for another time. Exactly. You only need the other part of the message.

Exactly. And the whole social media thing, I mean, I've been thinking a lot about what must be done. I mean, one of the things we have to do is hold them accountable for the law for their waging. There's very interesting, Chuck Grassley, Senator, has done a really good job with whistleblowers uncovering a lot of what was done going back to the Russia hoax with the president. Now, why do I mention that? The agent, the FBI agent who came at me and my fiancé at Reagan Airport, five armed FBI agents, put me in leg irons, put me in handcuffs. This was the same guy who read the steel dossier, the fake steel dossier that Hillary Clinton paid for. They created the Russia hoax and said what?

That it was real, not a fake. And that set in motion, Crossfire Hurricane, which was that whole thing, the Mueller report and everything else. And this guy, Giordina, was part of all of that. And if you look at all these people who have tried to interfere with our elections, put Trump in prison, take him down, get him out of office once he was in, this thing, we have to hold. It's James Comey. It's Clapper. It's Brennan. It's Page.

It's struck. It's lying. And if you don't believe that we need to do that, then you don't understand if we don't hold accountable, they'll do it again. So you're not all up in arms about him threatening people like Tish James with potential fraud investigation or prosecution on her mortgage claims? I am totally on board with that. And I wish we were moving with all due speed because these people, I mean, if you just look

of what Grassley's uncovering. It's truly extraordinary. This is the greatest political scandal in American history. Not only did they try the Russia hoax in 2016, and by the way, another one they got was Mike Flynn. Do you remember that? Big time. I'll tell you what, if Mike Flynn hadn't had to leave, we never would have got John Bolton. And it's like these things have a way of really hurting us. No, Letitia James, that was a pure election interference. No question about it. it. Bragg here in New York City down in

Atlanta. We don't forget this stuff. I mean, people, just because Donald Trump prevailed in a landslide, they could have went the other way. And the difference between Charlie and Donald John Trump is a millimeter. They both

could be dead now. I mean, it's just, it was that much. Worst day I had in prison. July 13th, I was actually watching that event in Butler on the television. And I'm looking at it and say, what the hell is going on here? He's about going to be on a stage and you've got to stand at trees in the back where snipers could be. It just didn't look right to me.

And within minutes, the bullets were flying. And it's like... I mean, you're someone who knows firsthand the lengths to which the committed left will go in order to win their battles from putting you in prison to what, we saw with Charlie and it's got to stop. The book is called, I went to prison so you won't have to by Peter Navarro. Please buy it and support Peter. I wanted to give him an hour and we couldn't today for obvious reasons. So please support him. I went to prison so you won't have to. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. We'll see you all tomorrow. Appreciate it.

Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear. Thank you.