The Megyn Kelly Show - Dangerous Anti-ICE Rhetoric Rises, Golden Globes Nonsense, and Shock Allegations Against Actor Timothy Busfield, with Mark Geragos and Matt Murphy | Ep. 1228

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

Megyn Kelly discusses the lies from the left after the shooting of Renee Good by an ICE officer, the significance of her wife saying "drive baby drive" right before the shooting, propaganda from the Democratic party about narrative, inflammatory comments from Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey, ridiculous comments from those in leftist media questioning why ICE agents carry guns and film their encounters, the “Karen Intifada” of leftist white women freaking out about ICE, others posting about wanting to turn to violence against ICE, Mark Ruffalo’s ridiculous Golden Globes ICE protest, Wanda Sykes’ racial commentary, Amy Poehler's boring podcast buying its way into winning "Best Podcast," and more. Then Mark Geragos and Matt Murphy, MK True Crime hosts, join to discuss disturbing charges against actor Timothy Busfield, the accusations of his child abuse and relevant past accusations, the horrifying police affidavit and references in it to Melissa Gilbert, the significance of him still not turning himself in, all that ICE agents do to help protect kids and arrest the most dangerous criminals, whether Renee Good's wife could get arrested, and more. And Megyn ends the show discussing Melissa Gilbert’s hypocrisy attacking her over Epstein while knowing what her husband Timothy Busfield is accused of, the way the media protected her and looks foolish now, and more. Subscribe to MK True Crime:Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mk-true-crime/id1829831499Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4o80I2RSC2NvY51TIaKkJWYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MKTrueCrime?sub_confirmation=1Social: http://mktruecrime.com/ Melania: Step inside the 20 days before history is made—watch MELANIA, only in theaters January 30; get your tickets now!Riverbend Ranch: Visit https://riverbendranch.com/ | Use promo code MEGYN for $20 off your first order.All Family Pharmacy: Order now at https://allfamilypharmacy.com/MEGYN and save 10% with code MEGYN10SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off any new system!  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. Oh my gosh, we have a lot to cover this morning, including an in-depth legal discussion on Hollywood actor Timothy Busfield's child abuse allegations. A warrant for his arrest was issued Friday. He has yet to turn himself into police. This arrest warrant came out of New Mexico, where he is. accused of having molested a young seven-year-old boy and inappropriately touched and abused his brother, another seven-year-old boy. This is amazing. He appears to be on the lamb. The reporting, this guy, for the younger audience, you may not know him. He was huge on 30-something back in the day, the West Wing. He's married to actress Melissa Gilbert, best known, and let's be honest, really only known for playing Laura Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie, Laura Ingalls Wilder. She recently, in November, it was November 15th, which will become relevant,

had the gall to take shots at yours truly over factually accurate comments I made about Jeffrey Epstein and what his preference was in terms of women he attacked or young girls he attacked, while knowing full well that her husband was being investigated by police for allegedly molesting two young boys. She knew her husband was being investigated by police for child molestation when she took to her Instagram trying to generate news coverage about what a fierce warrior she was about abuse victims. What a liar. How disgusting is this? It happens every time these people who feel the need to virtue signal, I'm a good person and you're not. That's what virtue signaling really is. I mean, you can take it to the bank. They have something to hide. Take it to the bank. How many times does this happen where then later it comes out that that person has some criminal background, some perversion, some disgusting scandal within their family that they're feeling anxious or embarrassed about. This isn't even about her attack on me. It's, it is the moral hypocrisy from the usual Hollywood crowd. We're going to get into all of that coming up with our legal dream team of Matt Murphy

and Mark Garagos. That moral hypocrisy, by the way, on display last night at the Golden Globes, too. More on that coming up. But first news out of Minneapolis continues to dominate. Before the cameras, before the ceremony, before history is made, every detail is chosen. From Amazon, MGM Studios comes Melania. This new film takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration through the eyes of the first lady herself, where fashion is not just style, it's strategy. Witness the image-defining decisions made behind closed doors, a celebration of duty and glamour. Melania, only in theaters, January 30th. I can't wait to see that.

On Friday night, right before we left air, Alpha News, which we love, it's out of Minnesota, it's more fair and balanced, it's the antidote to the disgusting Minneapolis Star Tribune, and therefore it's hated by that organization. Alpha News got and released video it obtained showing the shooting of 37-year-old Renee Good from the perspective of the ice ice, officer who fired the shots. It was from his iPhone camera that we'd been waiting for. Well, after the show, our producer Jake Whitman pointed out something most in the media missed. Right as the agent was about to be hit by her car, he screamed, whoa. You can hear his fright. You can tell he's getting hit by a car. He's scared, as he should be for his life. Watch, you will hear the agent scream it

41 seconds into this clip. Your plates every morning, just so you know, it'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. U.S. citizen. You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead. Out of the car.

Get out of the fucking car. Go out of the car. Oh! Okay, there's so much there. So first of all, you could hear him. Whoa! Whoa! And then the gunshot.

simultaneously as he's obviously being hit by the car and fearing for his life. I mean, it's all right there on the tape. And you hear not once, not twice, not three times, four times. The officers say, get out of the car, get out of the car, get out of the fucking car, get out of the car, four times. Remember when the left tried to tell us that they gave her conflicting instructions, that they also told her to drive away? No, they didn't.

it was her wife who says at the end of that clip, drive, baby drive. The wife told her to drive, and she did, running over, almost running over this cop, hitting him and almost running over him. That's what happened. The cops were totally consistent, these officers, these ICE officers, who by the way do have arrest authority. Four times, get out of the car, get out of the car, get out of the fucking car, get out of the car. the wife says drive, baby drive, and she listened to the wife who should be arrested. That wife should be under arrest.

She should. She was aiding and abetting the resisting of arrest and fleeing from a crime scene. She's committing a felony. You could make a good case for felony murder here. She should be in custody right now, that woman. And by the way, where's her video? She was videoing the police officer. And that hasn't been made public.

Why didn't she leak that to the Minneapolis Star Tribune if it helps her, right? She's not going to go to Alpha. Okay, go to Star Tribune. Go to MSNBC. Go to any of these lunatics are out there. They'll all be happy to put it on. They go to NPR. They could not be worn the tank for you.

She won't. She hasn't. Why is that? Do you think if that videotape actually helped her side? She'd be keeping it private? I don't think so. I think we all know the reason that she hasn't made it public the way clearly the officer involved in this thing did.

And now you have these lunatics out there saying, why was he videotaping? I think we have that. Do we have that, Deb? There's media personalities upset about the fact that the officer was videotaping this incident.

By the way, it started with him, with the iPhone, circling around her car. He was videotaping her car and her license plate as ICE has been doing to make a record of these ne'er-do-well who are breaking the law. René Good was parked perpendicularly blocking traffic.

I'm going to get to that in one second, but you just tell me, if you went out in your neighborhood and you decided to park your car perpendicular to the oncoming traffic, do you think somebody might pull you aside, do you think you'd be in trouble with law enforcement, that you think you'd be complying with the law? I don't think so. That's why he was videotaping the vehicle, including the license plate, which the wife knew because she became antagonistic with him. And how about the antagonism, by the way? Okay. How about the antagonism? People, the left is literally saying, oh my God, Renee's last words were, have a good day or I'm good, whatever her cheery little comment was there. That wasn't a cheery little comment. She was very clearly antagonizing the police,

trying to be, haven't she ever done this? I've done this. You know who I do this to? When somebody honks their horn at me and I'm driving, nine times out of ten, I put on a big smile and I give him a big wave like I'm confused, like I think they're saying hello to me. It's just kind of fun to antagonize somebody who's trying to upset you. I would never do it to a law enforcement officer. Can we re-rack that tape that we just played? Let's re-rack it and play it again, okay? Listen for her, it's an antagonistic cheerfulness. She's unleashing on him as evidenced, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you, she says. I'm not mad at you, right? It's exactly what I do when I wave at the people who honk their horn at me, except it's not

law enforcement and a potentially dangerous situation where you're blocking traffic. Listen for that. Listen to for the four times the cops tell her to get out of the car. Listen for her wife antagonizing the cop over videotaping and the license plate and then saying drive. Okay, listen. He's walking over to the car and he's videotaping it. Change our plates every morning, just so you know. There'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. U.S. citizen.

You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead. Out of the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car. There it is. I mean, it's pretty clear.

Right? So you see, that's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you. Oh, she's so sweet. She's so innocent. That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you, which of course is meant to telegraph. Fuck off. Everyone understands that. Literally everybody sane knows that. And the leftists know that too. They're misrepresenting it. And then you have the wife antagonizing, you want to come at us? You want to come at us? You want some of this bitch is basically what she's saying to him. And he was well aware of that and maintained his dignity and professionalism. But the nonsense that this was like some sweet, stay-at-home mom, just like out for

groceries, like, hi, I'm not mad at you. First of all, what is she, she has nothing to be mad at him over. She's breaking the law, antagonizing law enforcement, and trying to stop a lawful police operation. No one really cares whether she's mad at him or not. But secondly, she has no business interacting with him in the first place. What he's doing there is a mission. given to him by his boss, Christy Noem and President Trump and her feelings about it are totally irrelevant.

That is not what you would glean if you watched any of the mainstream news. The Democrat Party has an ex-account that put out a screen grab of her showing her with her and her fake smile. She's not actually happy to see him. They actually want us to believe

she was like this sweet like, Hi, I'm not mad at you. I'm so sweet. What a fucking lie. That's so obvious. And here is what the caption of their post reads. Newly released footage reveals Renee Nicole Good's last words. Renee Nicole Good, quote, that's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you. Gunshots, ice, colon, fucking bitch. That is disgusting. That is pure propaganda. That is exactly the kind of thing. that's amping up the temperature in Minneapolis and elsewhere, and that is going to get an ice officer killed. That's what I'm worried about.

I'm sorry that Renee Good is dead. I genuinely am, but she brought it upon herself. You don't do this. Everyone knows that. You don't antagonize cops in the middle of a law enforcement operation. I think I've told you guys this before. But my brother's a cop. He made it all the way to lieutenant in Albany, New York.

And now he's retired. and one day when he was training, he was a young cop still foot patrol, and I was in law school, in Albany, and I just taught an aerobics class, which I did to help put myself through law school. So I was wearing sort of like an aerobics outfit, kind of inappropriate, but whatever, I was in it all the time because I was paying my bills that way. And I went by, there was like the paddy wagon there with my brother, Paul, who was making an arrest with other cops. And I was just so excited to see Paul on the job that I pulled.

over and got out of my car. I did have a long winter coat on, but underneath it was an aerobics outfit. And I was like, Paul, Paul, hi. Like an idiot. He's like, Meg, get back in the car. I can't talk now. Like, this is not a good time. You do not want to walk into this. Like a dope. I was just excited to see my brother there doing his thing. But he knew he had the good sense to say civilians, beloved or not, are not welcome into a situation like this. It is charged. Anything could happen. Well, times 1,000 in the situation into which Renee Good voluntarily put herself.

She was the antagonist. She was about to be the arrestee. And she was resisting arrest. She knew very well what was about to happen to her. That's one of the reasons, potentially, why she tried to floor her accelerator. There's a big debate about whether she was just trying to get away or run over the officer. I have to say I don't care. It doesn't matter.

Legally, all that matters is his point of view. And her reasons for almost running him over are irrelevant. All that is relevant is he genuinely believed, he reasonably believed, that he was about to be run over by her. But here you have the Democrat Party putting out this little ad that suggests she said, I'm not mad at you, and he shot her in the face and called her a fucking bitch. By the way, it's now been reported by, I think Alpha News as well, and others. that the officer who used that term was not the officer who fired.

It was a different officer who was obviously emotionally upset over the fact that she had just tried to kill a fellow officer. All right? So, and at this point, they don't know what's happened to the woman. I'm sure the officer had no idea that she had died at that point. But look, these officers are human beings. If he was feeling steam after the fact that she, in his view, almost killed at least two of these cops because one had his arm in her car, who could blame him

for not feeling totally warm and fuzzy about her? And by the way, for what it's worth, and maybe it's not worth anything to the detractors, Tom Homan has said he's been in touch with this officer. We've chosen not to name him and put his picture all over the board because people are doxing him. They're threatening his family. This is ridiculous. But he's spoken with them and said he's distraught. Here's listen to Tom Homan here.

He's concerned. I've seen today his face all over social media. He's been doxed. People are threatening to kill him. So he's not good. He knows he fears for him and his family. And again, let the investigation play out. Before you say you want to execute this man, let the investigation play out.

This officer is not in a good spot emotionally for his family. You see upset about what took place? Of course, it is. I mean, any law enforcement officer who uses any sort of, you know, I've been around a long time, even if it's less lethal force. If you might put hands on somebody and take him down, it affects you. Of course. The guy's only human.

But now you have these morons in the media looking at him and wanting him to have superhuman skills. They say, oh, should. reversed the car, and then, as she went forward, her front wheels for a second turned left. And he was more to the right. Okay, he was in front of her car, right in front of the driver's side headlight. Either way, left or right, this guy was about to get run over. And the notion that he was able to look at the tires instead of the massive vehicle coming at him is absurd. Deb, can you recue the poor female officer in Baltimore who got run over?

First, I'm going to play you while we get that. I'm going to play you the media commentary about how, why was he walking around with a cell phone? As though this is somehow nefarious. Listen here. Well, one thing that stands out to me is the question that was just brought up, why is this person filming? And Ross did testify in December during the trial in December that he did, They do not wear cameras on their body. They do not wear body cam, and they do not have dashboard cams as well.

Not saying that that has anything to do, but they don't have cameras. So his cell phone would have possibly been the only camera he had. You know, I've seen a lot of these videos from every angle now, and I'm looking at J.D. Vance's tweet, and he says, you know, that many of you say that the officer wasn't. hit by a car, wasn't being harassed, and I just, I don't, I still don't see him being hit by a car. It's amazing. That wasn't the only inane media commentary. I mean, by the way, why isn't she happy he has a phone? She's not happy because she knows that the video exonerates him. So now she's pissed.

Wasn't it all these crazy leftists and their demands that everybody wear a body cam that's a police officer that led to this being the law in many places, regulations and other places, but not for ICE agents. So what does this guy do? He videotapes it. He's videotaping evidence of a crime. And then when everything goes down with Renee Good, he continues videotaping. He videotaped all the way until he was hit by her car. As you can also see, because he clearly drops the phone. Why did he drop the phone if there wasn't a calamity happening in the moment? Obviously, he wanted that on tape, you can't please these people. No, nobody can. Okay, I'll videotape it myself. There's something suspicious about you. Something's wrong with that. And that's not the only point. That was on MS.

Now, her name was Brandy Zadrosgni, who really should be ejected from any obvious commentary about this issue. I mean, clearly this woman's an idiot. I mean, even for MSNBC, truly, they go super biased, but they don't always go super dumb over there. She's too dumb. even for MS. Here's Rina Shaw on MS now with another equally probing question in SOT 48. This was a mother.

This was a woman that even said, hey, I'm not mad at you. Right. Literally second before she was shot. If they had the ability to get out of the way, they have a duty to get out of the way and not discharge their firearm, endangering.

And law enforcement officer is not supposed to be in front of people's cars. The world is watching. And the world knows that America has an issue with guns. And police. And police, of course. But the gun thing, the fact that She was shot like this for what?

Almost hitting this agent? I mean, the fact that guns were used and she was shot and killed in this way, to me is the most horrifying part. Why does an ice agent have a gun? Oh, my God. Another idiot. Her name is Rina Shaw. I don't know what her background is. But once again, too dumb even for MS now.

Maybe MS yesterday. But MS now really needs to up its game. given their ratings over there. And I'm here to tell you, Rina Shaw, Pro Tip, is not the answer to your problems. Why does an ICE agent have a gun? You've got to be kidding me. They're law enforcement, madam. They are federalized law enforcement officers who are arresting murderers and child molesters who are under increasing threat to their own lives every single day, thanks to your side of the aisle, telling people that they're murderers, telling people that they're kidnapping people off the street, which is a lie. They are making lawful arrests, and all of the people arrested will have their chance

to contest the arrest in a court of law. That's what's happening. This is getting out of control. All right. Now, back to the scene. This was not the only new video that we just showed you from Alpha News, from the officer's iPhone camera of Renee Good's actions, the day of the fatal shooting. Now, this next video has really got the left spinning. It was obtained by Town Hall, and it shows Renee Good laying on the horn and blocking traffic. She appears at the beginning of this video to be dancing in her driver's seat. She's enjoying it. And blocking traffic for over three minutes in that perpendicular position before the

These ICE officers even show up at the scene to confront her. She's having a great time. She's the smiley, antagonistic middle finger fuck off ice and all, anybody trying to arrest these illegals, social justice warrior. And we told you on Friday she had been trained at her son's woke school, reports the New York Post, to do this. Like a lot of training, training on how to take down an officer, how to have a physical confrontation with an officer.

and the thing with the cars is their go-to bread and butter trick in trying to stop ICE arrests. Renee was trained, and that training cost her her life. Look what she was doing. That's our car, the maroon one. Facing the wrong way on the road. All the others are honking. It's a means of harassing ice. Now the confrontation's happening at the back of the car.

The officer who's filming is moving toward the front of the car. ICE is moving over to the driver's side. The rest, yeah, the rest you've seen. It is amazing, notwithstanding all this tape. I mean, honestly, like, I realize, who was it? Dave Aaronberg said that the tape is like a Roarshark test. I guess that reveals either your conservative. of your left wing bona fides and you see what you want to see. I genuinely, genuinely have

tried to check that. And that's why I say she accelerated the car into him. Now, that's true. That's just true. We don't have to put a motive on it. You don't have to say she tried to run him over, though that's a strong case. You can make a strong case for it. You don't have to say she was trying to do something else. I mean, I think it's clear she was trying to flee at least. That's the bare minimum of what she was trying to do because she had her foot on the accelerator and she was accelerating when she hit him. So, or when she ran into him, however you want to put it, the left is even disputing that he was hit. Well, it's strange because when you see his body camera, he yells, whoa, he sounds scared. He fires a shot. He drops his phone. And you can see

contact, what appears to be contact between the vehicle and his body. So, I mean, all of the evidence, I don't know how you'd prove that he was hit other than that. Even the wide shots show she at least clipped him. I'm not saying Trump said she ran him over. That's too strong. But she at least clipped him. There's just, there's no disputing that. But you still have leftists who are refusing to acknowledge the basic facts.

The basic facts. You know, I told you guys about NPR on Friday and how incredible, credible it was and how inaccurate it was. Let me just pull one stop from that. Okay, I'm just going to pull. Let's go with Sop 43. This is from NPR's Up First podcast on Friday morning. Sop 43. Caitlin Callinson was there and videotaped the shooting. She says Good was in her car and received multiple conflicting instructions from officers. Oh, did she? She was told to get out of her car. And she was also told to get out of the road. She was told to drive away. The ICE officer who ended up shooting her was in front of her vehicle. And when she tried to get away because someone was pulling at her door, the ice agent who was in front of her shot through the windshield once and then twice through the side. Okay, so that person has no idea what she's talking about. And I did not hear a correction

on NPR's up first this morning at all. There is no question that the law enforcement officers told her to get out of her car four times. And her crazy ass left wing trained to anti-enact. I was the one who said, drive, baby, drive. That wife got Renee Good killed. That's the truth. It was more the fault of the wife than it was of the cop. She told her, as the car is surrounded by ICE agents now, at least three, two of whom are touching the car, or one's touching with the arm in, one's right in front of it, is about to get run over, and one's approaching it.

Drive, baby drive. That's what happened. But NPR would like to platform Meg Anderson, who says she was given conflicting directives by the cops. No, she wasn't. You, madam, are hashtag part of the problem. By the way, I'll get to this in a bit, but we mentioned the Golden Globes. NPR's up first was one of the nominees. Their little Laila Faldon, who is the one who tries to sex talk you in the morning, like,

Hello, I'm Lila Valdon. Hey, it's NPR News. I thank you for doing it. She's so inappropriate. She was like, we were the only news show to be nominated. Okay, that's a lie. Many of us were in the mix. But some of us who had the pride not to pay the thousands of dollars you had to to wind up in the final category, had enough pride to remove ourselves. from consideration. Layla. And this is what will get you, nominated by Hollywood as a finalist in the best podcast category for news. You just have to put on Meg Anderson saying, poor Renee Good was given conflicting instructions, and gee, who among us would know what to do? It's infuriating. Okay, more on the globes later. Despite all these new videos, The Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Fry, what a cretan he is, continued with the narrative that Renee Good played no role, none in what happened to her.

The ICE agent was not run over, as Trump stated. You had a person that was definitively trying to just get out of there. They were trying to leave the seat. That is not a person that's trying to run in a person. ICE agent over, you have a person that is trying to protect our city to look out for our neighbors. When there is debate about baseline facts, like, for instance, did the ICE agent get run over? Guys, the answer is no. It didn't happen. Okay. So there you have somebody being totally irresponsible with the facts. He knows Jacob Fry, in addition to his other litany of talents, the woke performances at the side of George Floyd's casket on his knees with the mask, his open struggle sessions with the far left progressives

in his city after George Floyd, self-flagellating all of the BS. I copped to this and I cop to that that the leftist woke progressives have to do to be accepted by their crowd. And now in a mad dash to cover up for the fraud that is rampant in his city that's now being unearthed by the Trump administration and independent journalists, he's on a mission to sound, Like he is, he's the Avenger. He's the one who's going to stand up for all the poor, innocent victims that the big, bad ice is randomly shooting for no reason whatsoever. Okay, good luck with that. But he's not alone.

Dan Goldman, who I'm embarrassed to say I ever platformed while I was NBC. He was like a commentator at NBC News when I was there for my very brief stint. And they used to give him to me for like our morning news roundtable. I'm telling you he wasn't this crazy then. Like back then before he was a congressman, he was just a lawyer, I believe he was a former federal prosecutor. He was kind of normal. He was more left.

But I like that. As you know, I like to have a variety of viewpoints on the show. I had no problem with that. This would be as if Dave Aaronberg went as crazy as Dan Goldman. Like I like Dan. He was kind of normal. And now he's gone so far freakishly left. I don't recognize him anymore.

This will never happen to Dave Aaron. He's left and he's normal and he's awesome. And that, by the way, we should be reminded every day, that is totally possible. I thank God from my liberal friends. I really do, because they remind me that not everybody is like these lunatics. They're beautiful, lovely people who, I've got to be honest, except for my one friend, they're not woke and they're sane and they're not that into politics anyway and they're not even thinking about this crap. They like vote Democrat. Most of them are pro-choice. They like the environment and they want low taxes, you know, for like working class and middle-class people. That's generally kind of how they, why they're Democrats. And my

point is simply, there are normal Democrats. We should not forget that because the country does, does need to remember that. Not everybody's bad on the other side. But Dan Goldman, I'm sorry, you're bad. You kind of are, you're pretty bad. You are not a gold man. I'm not sure what we should be calling Dan Goldman, but it certainly rhymes with a friar. It starts with an L. Take a listen here in SOT One. As you said, and as we've seen from these videos, and we can go through all the different reasons, it was very clear that she was following the orders of the ICE agent to leave.

Get out of the fucking car. That's butted, obviously, with some of the cops telling her, get out of the car, get out of the car. It's dangerous what they're doing. And not just those videos. Okay, there's more to get to here. Over the weekend, social media was flooded with leftist white women. This is a Karen Intifada. It is. Saw that online. So right. It's a Karen intifada. Leftist white women. I'm sorry. I'm just going to put it on the line. All of whom are unattractive. Most of whom are overweight. The vast majority of whom clearly have no jobs nor any sex in their lives. Like, like just seems really clear. Let's be honest. Okay. If you're getting some at home, you're not this angry all the time. Like, don't we all kind of know that?

they're pissed off. There's a reason you don't see slim, fit, good-looking women at these protests. They're off living their beautiful lives. Every single one of these women is like they spent too much time with the lays potato chips and the little debby's. And not enough time getting some at home with some hot, loving dude. or a dude at all. Not that you can have,

you can have lovely lesbians. I haven't seen any of them in Minneapolis. So that's part of what we're seeing here. It's on the Karen Intifada. And these unhappy, empty-lived leftists are now vowing to take on law enforcement, pretending like they're both like a badass cop-busting, you know, vigilante type.

And also they're the victim because they're already the next Renee Good. Here is one woman with her face painted with an ice badge over her mouth. She cries and winces as she plays audio from Renee's, Renee Good's shooting. Watch this. She's just sitting there staring at us. I can't unhear the sound of the car crashing after the gunshots. Justice for Renee Good. Okay.

I mean, the only real justice she's pushing for there is that she see herself on camera, that she'd become a little star, a little vigilante star. That's not even close to all we've got. I mean, the crazy-ass women, I mean, that could take us a while. Hold on a second. Where is that in my SOT sheet, Deb, because there's so many. We've got to go through it. Let's see.

Man, there's a lot to look. at. Okay, let's start here with SOT 20. You know what we're going to right now? We are going to what's called a vigil. Do you know what a vigil is? What? So it's where you like hold candles and you sing and you pray and you think about someone who died.

Like church, kind of. And yesterday someone died. Not Baba. I know your Baba died last year. Yesterday a woman named Renee Good. She was killed. by one of those ice guys. Remember how we talked about the ICE police officers?

Not the regular police, the ICE police. Oh, so. They killed this woman. Why? These ICE officers are just trying to take all of the immigrants. Remember we talked about that, like the people daddy helps? What are immigrants? I don't know.

So they're the people that come from other countries, and then they live here. And a lot of times they have different accents or they speak other languages, right? Like here we? Yeah. And they, or they have different skin color, right? Maybe they have darker skin. Some do, some don't. The person who died is up in the sky.

Yeah. And does it matter where anyone comes from? Are we better than them because we come from America? No. No. Nobody's better than anybody else. Who puts this on camera? It doesn't matter what they look like.

It doesn't matter how they talk. Right? And so, yes. And so remember Trump? ICE works for Trump. and he wants all the immigrants to go away, especially the ones with darker skin. Is that the right thing to do? All of them.

No. So then there was a lady. She wasn't an immigrant. She was just a citizen. They weren't being respectful. She was coming to help. And those ICE officers shot her. Do you think that was the right thing for them to do?

No. So it makes Mommy and Daddy very upset that this happened. But we want to make sure that America is a great country. You want to live in a great country? that has peace where people are respectful to each other and kind and loving? When Trump's not. When Trump's not the president anymore, maybe things will be better. But right now, he's still the president for a few more years.

He's not doing what presidents are supposed to. So you know what you do and presidents aren't doing what they're supposed to do? You go to vigils, like what we're going to, where we hold the candles and you go to protest. Remember when we went to the protest? That's how we show that we're not happy with what America is doing. I can't wait till you get to how you're supposed to behave at the protest. Really looking forward to that discussion.

That is child abuse. Can you imagine psychologically manipulating your child like that with lies? Like there were too many to list. She was just trying to do something nice and a nice agent shot her. They're the bad guys. They're here for no reason. Trump's a bad guy. Like that, that's the kind of thing.

We're hearing reports now of some children. showing up in daycare and school, talking about how they're having nightmares about this. It's because of their psycho parents. Truly, the psycho parents are the ones who are causing that. And speaking of psycho, here's another one, another lady, who decided to offer a little warning to ICE and added the tune by Talking Heads, psycho killer. Just for added effect, she's not the only one doing this kind of crazy-ass, crazy-ass threatening video.

Let's watch it. Good afternoon. Fuck Donald Trump. Today I was at the range and it'll do your heart. Good to know there was a lot of women there. I was there not with my, but with the little one that I carry with me all the time. And I'm going to show you up here a little picture of what I was aiming at today. You mother fucking mega fucks, you might think that we're out of here just sitting around wondering what's going to happen.

I am wondering about shit. I know what's going to happen. Fuck you. Psycho killer. Okay. So for listening audience, she's got bleached out, like two bleached out blonde hair, no makeup, sitting in her car. They're all sitting in their car.

They're all very brave. Sitting in her car, playing talking heads, clapping her hands. Yeah, I love the talking heads and also threatening ice. Yeah, good times. And saying that she's going to the shooting range, taking aim at this, and then showing a picture of a male crotch. So very nice, very classy sweetheart. My money's on ice, but I object to you endangering them to begin with. There's more. Here's Sot zero. This is a, man, there are some quote doing air quotes now men out there participating in all of this. And here's one of them.

Listen to this psycho. Hey, so look, I'm just going to come out and say it. I don't really care about the consequences anymore. I don't care. We need to kill these people. There's just an alternative. I don't care if you say oh, I've got the crazy guys, whatever. Yeah, I do feel crazy. They're Nazis. Patent said it best. They're Nazis. And the only

way to stop this shit, let's be honest, is going to be to get violent. We got to get violent, people. And I'm tired of denying it, and I'm tired of y'all being pussies about it. Grow up. We're not going to get through this holding hands. Peaceful protest only works if your enemy

has a moral obligation to listen to it. They have none. Okay. So he goes by Monkey D. Beans on his Instagram. And he wants you to know he loves his cat. Okay. Thanks for that. I think this guy might be in the process of transitioning,

just taking a look at him. He's got blue hair. He's got pink hair. It's weirdly long. He's starting to look a little feminine. I'm a little concerned about you're convincing anybody, monkey, de beans. But I could be wrong. You could just be an odd-looking man.

But literally saying we need to kill these guys. We quote, got to get violent. Keep in mind throughout all this, there's so many videos like this, we only pulled like our favorites. But throughout all this, we were being lectured to by this leftist mob that we, on the right, the team sanity, are the violent ones, that we're the violent ones. I heard, I think it was Thomas Chatterton Williams, who has been on this program. He's very much against the ICE officer. But he did this long post about how, like, people are downplaying or even laughing at violence.

There's a lack of humanity. Like, yes, I agree with all of that. And it's leftists doing that. It's, do we have, have we already memory hold Charlie Kirk? Have we totally forgotten? what happened in the wake of his assassination? Like the polls showing some significant portion of leftists applauded it? Luigi Mangione?

Should we talk about that? I mean, it's amazing because a law enforcement officer defended his physical safety and that of his fellow officers in a split-second decision. They're now saying that it's the right wing that's violent. And again, I forgot to finish up this point. But they're also creating these impossible standards for people, like this officer so that they can push that narrative.

Because they can't have him be reasonable. They cannot have him be reasonable. That's why they don't like his video camera. They're wondering why he held that iPhone. That's why they won't acknowledge Renee Good's role in all of this. And that's why you have these people talking about how, well, what his tire, her tire was pointed to the left at the time it impacted him. And he was a little bit more to the right.

So clearly she was trying to go a different direction than the officer. He was on the left. He was on her front left headlight. Okay, so like her turning left would have only rammed the remainder of the front grill into him, but whatever. And here is that video of the Baltimore. This is a viewer warning because it's disturbing. Of this Baltimore, Maryland officer who had a face-to-face confrontation with the driver of a car who she was trying to pursue. She pursued him into a cul-de-sac. He got out of the car. She had her gun drawn. She was trying to make an arrest. and she believed he was complying with the commands, and a second later, I mean, it took him a second to get back into that vehicle and ram her. He was no farther away from her than this officer was from Renee Good. That's my armchair assessment of the video.

And it took him a second to kill this young female police officer. Watch. As the Jeep continued to advance, Officer Caprio got. off one shot. WJZ won't show the rest, but a somber jury saw and heard Amy Caprio dying from massive crushing injuries. I'm sorry, forgive me. I just want to show it one more time. I'm not trying to be sensationalist for this poor fallen officer, Amy Caprio, God rest her. I just want you to see when we turn it on for the listening audience, on the right hand of the screen, you see her cop car with the lights swirling. And then right off to the left, you can kind of barely see his darker car, kind of blends in a little. But you can see the grill. And I mean, maybe I'll just count the seconds

from, like, stationary to she's dead. It happens in an instant. Watch. As the Jeep continued to advance, Officer Caprio got off one shot. One, two. WJZ won't show the rest, but a... That's it. So from the second that car started moving toward her was two seconds and she was dead. These law enforcement officers don't have the luxury of sitting back in the MS Now studio after they've been primped by hair and makeup. You too, Hillary Clinton. She's piling on this officer. I guarantee you she's at her sprawling estate in Chappaqua, New York, with her maid and her staff.

And God knows who Bill Clinton's got in the closets. just passing judgment. Just sitting there with it, but she still has protective detail. She doesn't have to worry about her life being on the line. She's good, right? As opposed to this female officer in Baltimore and officers like this ICE agent who really do have to worry about dying every day on the job. Here's another insane man in SOT Zero B. This one's disturbing.

Dear ICE, here's a message from your friendly neighborhood. leftist. Not all of us are going to stop at snowballs in the future. So maybe think twice before you just start randomly shooting into vehicles. And some of us aren't just going to fucking randomly fire into things. Some of us actually know how to aim. So you don't have to take my advice if you don't want to. But I'm pretty sure we're going to hit a tipping point pretty soon. And if you guys don't reconsider your tactics. You're going to start going home in body bags or zip lock bags. I really don't give a shit either way. We need to send the FBI to go speak with this gentleman because you speak like that and you show yourself with, I don't know guns, but it looked like an AR at the shooting

range, shooting targets. And with rhetoric like that, you deserve a visit from the FBI. This is too serious. A nice agent is going to get killed. He or she is going to get killed. He or she is going to get killed. Thanks to the atmosphere, all of these people, Democrat politicians and left-wing loons like that man are creating. They're doing their job. That's all they're doing. They have children, they have wives and husbands, they have moms and dads. They don't deserve to be threatened to within an inch of their lives just for doing their job. This man did not show up on the job wanting to shoot Renee Good. He wound up that day out on the beat trying to do good, trying to arrest child molesters and other disgusting violent criminals hurting the children

and innocence of Minneapolis. That's what they're trying to do. And now guys like this and women like these loons are trying to endanger them so that their wives will be widows or husbands will be widowers. It's irresponsible and Tom Homan is 100% right to try to dial it back. He's begging for people to dial back the rhetoric. I'll play you that soundbite and show you some more about what's going on when we come right back. We're not done.

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for 20 bucks off your first order. Before I get to Tom Holman, I just wanted to show you a little bit more of these leftist loons, like the ones who really made our radar. Here is SOT 23. It's quick. Take a listen. And just so we're clear, if a masked man reaches in my vehicle or stands in front of it to block it, I'm, I'm hitting the fucking gas. I'm hitting the fucking gas. Okay, want you to see how that's going to work out. Probably going to work out for you the way it worked out for your friend Renee. And that's not so good. Do you have a family that you like to protect or anyone who cares about you? Unclear, actually. But either way, you probably shouldn't do that. You're playing with fire, madam. Here's Sot 24. And this is an example. I'm

know, forgive me for playing this. But if our ICE agents have to deal with it, so must we, just to understand what it is they're having to put up with this is happening all over Minneapolis. Sot 24. And you get, and you take down the blacks and you get fucking on video. That's false. Oh, this is Portland, actually. No. Okay. Look at me. What training have you had regarding mania? And you're good on your medication then?

Are you condescending and talking down to me now? I'm not. I'm actually asking you. Oh, really? Are you on a new medication at all? No. Okay. I'm not.

Is there anything that's true? Who are you, Hastings? I'm an officer of Portland police. I'm an ECIT officer. Oh, really? And you're really an expert on mental illness, aren't you? Well, I mean, I'm not a psychiatrist or something. No, you're not.

Okay. And I'm the fucking smartest person you have ever fucking met. So get the fuck down. off of my ass. Did you go to college, Hastings? Literally just standing there. Would you study? Social sciences.

Oh, social sciences. I have a minor psychology. Oh, minor. You should know a little bit about it then, right? And Jimmy, every time we just try to have normal conversation with you, it just goes right to insults. Is that against the law? Is it against the law to insults a man in blue? Can you understand how it's not a normal conversation?

Uh, you guys get called shit all the time. Why we're concerned? And you get, and you take down the blacks and you get fucking on video. Take down the blacks. Which blacks? Jamie. Have a good day, Jamie. I want him arrested for physical assault, you fuck face.

Jamie, I'm sure there are plenty of facilities that could help you. Like, look, it could, it's probably a 1-800 number. Just get some help. Get the help suit you so desperately need. The screaming? Somebody posted this online and said, how does this happen? Like, how do you wind up like this? And I said, bad parenting?

Might have been this video. Might have been another one. But like, yes, right? Like, we learn to control our tempers and we learn to be respectful of law enforcement when they're on the job. She's like, you're up my ass. Literally, the guy is standing there with a leg crossed over the other leg and his thumb hooked on his back pocket.

Like, he could not look any more casual. By the way, these are all Portland cops. They don't bus in the Portland cops just to work as a Portland cop from, you know, all from Mississippi. The odds are this guy's from Portland, just like the officer involved in the Renee Good case was from Minneapolis. Like, he's probably not actually a far right guy. He's probably a leftist, probably center left, I'm going to guess.

And she's treating him like he's Hitler. And here's another one for you. It's not 25. I see a new video come out about that lady who got shot by the ICE officers. And I find it ridiculous that people are defending them saying that she was crazy for hitting them when they're not even real officers, first of all. And they are a federally income, like they're being paid by the government to go do this.

That's true. It's terrorism, first of all. That's not. And also didn't Donald Trump say he was going to deport all the terrorists? Why don't you to deport ICE? Like, I don't understand. Justice to that lady because she didn't deserve it. She was, you know, using her rights to drive away.

You know, using her rights, you know, I mean, look, on the price side, our adversaries are really not the sharpest crew. I mean, this is good. This is actually good news in a way. Like, have you seen anybody who had to run off to their Mentsom meeting after they issued their threatening video? I don't think so. Do not think so. I'm feeling good about where we are in the battle of the wits. But it only takes one twit to load a gun and try to do real harm to an officer or someone who supports them.

And, you know, I showed you the threatening videos before. That's where we're heading. That is why Tom Homan said this to Dr. Phil. I think it was Phil. Or was this his other interview? We got to stop the hateful reddit. Saying this officer's a murderer is dangerous. It's just ridiculous.

It's just going to, and it's going to infuriate people more, which means it's going to be more incidents like this because the hateful rhetoric is not only continuing, now it's tripled down and doubled down. I'm asking you to respond to the protesters who say they feel less safe, less safe who say they're concerned for their neighbor. Because you're looking at media reports.

to say ICE are terrorists, they're racist. They're the Nazis. They're listening to people saying that, you know, using the term disappearing people. It's because of the rhetoric, the hateful rhetoric. So that small population out there that's already half nuts, they hear

this rhetoric that ISIS, racist, and they're Nazis, and they're disappearing people. That empowers them to do stupid things. Right on. And not just that, but talk of civil war. Here's SOT 27. It's Civil War time. I hope you guys fucking, Democrats need to fucking stand up and start

fucking fighting. You better fucking get ready to fight. Or you're about to lose your fucking country. Do you guys realize that? Are you listening to what fucking J.D. Vance is saying right now? Are you listening? I implore you to go, what? You're going to have an aneurysm. fucking press briefing that J.D. Vance and fucking K.K. Caroline are fucking doing right now for the White House. I implore you to go fucking watch that shit and then start. We are literally about to lose our fucking country. Do you guys understand this? Do you guys understand this? It is not something for you to just turn to a fucking blind eye. This is not a time. If you would look a little nicer, I wouldn't

turn my eye away. And do nothing. There are two scenarios here. Okay, you've got two scenarios. You're either about to all your fucking rights. You're going to lose all your rights. This country's about to turn into a fucking dictatorship and all the women are about to lose all their fucking rights. I need you to wake the fuck up to that shit. You don't do anything? That's what happens. It is time. The index finger. The fucking fight. It is civil war time. You guys need to wake the fuck up. Stop being little fucking bitches and start fighting the fuck back. It is time to fight. Maybe it'll help if you yell at us. Do we feel like that could get it done, sister? I don't know. I'm pretty happy. My life's pretty

great. I have a loving family. I have a lovely team I work with every day. I enjoy doing the show and a nice audience. I'm feeling pretty good. I don't know. Like, I have a lot of working in middle class people in my family. They would like prices to come down. We should work on that. I don't think they're not really feeling civil worry. So maybe you got to up your You're diazepam. I think that might be in your future, my friend. There's another one here. 28. Very angry group. Just fucking curious. Are we great yet? Fucking great. We are. Yes. Americans working their fucking ass. I'm sorry. These hysterics are amusing. Like these people, I have a lot. Okay. Intifada Karen needs to be arrested. Antifa.

Tifa Karen. She needs to be arrested. Like, she's definitely going to get herself arrested. You don't get arrested for being a loon. But if she acts on any of that weird anger toward our ICE officers, yeah, that's what's going to happen. And now here's this woman, okay? Here's this woman's wish, because all these people think it's MAGA. Okay, so it's, and let's face it, most of MAGA is supportive of this. I am. I don't consider myself MAGA. I think I'm MAGA adjacent. I'm a reporter. You know, I'm a journalist. I have to keep some arms link there. But there, there, They're blaming MAGA. This is all MAGA's fault. This is all Joe Biden's fault. All of it. There's not an arrest being made that doesn't start with Joe Biden. Tom Holman and Christy Noem have these guys out there trying to clean up Joe Biden's mess.

His 10 to 12 to 20 million illegals he opened the southern border with and let in. And they're raping children. They're raping women. They're murdering mothers of five. So yeah, they're going to get arrested. And everyone who gets arrested makes us a little greater lunatic lady. Take a listen to South 30. Don't ever fucking comment me about forgiving Maggot ever again. I will not forgive.

I don't know if this is a woman or a man. I will never forget. Okay. Ever. And your protest votes are just as fucking bad. Sounds scary or maybe that'll help. Let's see. We reformed and brought back in when this is over can be. But that does not mean forgiveness.

Oh, no. There is no forgiveness after this. And those of you who are still clinging, I wish ego death upon every. Ego death. Ego death. What's ego death? I don't know. I'm not sure.

What does that mean? Like you look at this scheme out and you think, I can't do it. Like, what is ego death? I'm not sure what that means, but I think it's already happened to that person. Here's just an example of who they've arrested in Minnesota, ICE. Bill Malugian of Fox News got this and broke it in an exclusive, the most egregious criminal aliens that they've arrested during their surge in the sanctuary state of Minnesota. ICE says all of these criminals were roaming freely in Minnesota prior to arrest and that these are the type of people that politicians and activists are referring to as their neighbors as they attempt to interfere with ICE.

Struidorn Piavan, a loation illegal alien convicted of strong-arm sodomy of a boy and strong-armed sodomy of a girl with a deportation order since 2018. Tuvang, a loation illegal convicted of sexual assault and sodomy of a girl under age 13 and of procuring a child for prostitution. Once again, that is not a thing. A child cannot be a prostitute. That's called rape with a deportation order since 2006. Chong Vu, a loation illegal. They're big on the loations in Minneapolis. Convicted of this strong-arm rape of a 12-year-old girl and kidnapping a child with.

with intent to sexually assault her with a deportation with a deportation since 2004. G. Yang, Loation. What's going on with the Loatians? Convicted of strong arm rape, aggravated assault with a weapon, and strangulation with a deportation order since 2012. Pao Chow Zion, a Loation illegal. Convicted of rape and child fondling with a deportation.

I mean, I'm sorry, but next time I see a Loation, I'm running. I'm like, if I'm in Minneapolis, I'm out of there. Small chat at like the kiosk and where are you from? Loatia. Bye. Just kidding. I'm sure there's a lot of lovely. people. So that's who they're trying to clean the city of as they get called Nazis, fascists, and have death threats put on them every day. It's also gotten violent. There's an independent

journalist named Nick Sorder, some of his reporting we've brought to you on the Megan Kelly show. And God bless this guy. Can I say he's out there every night trying to document this stuff? He reminds me of Andy No, who put himself in the most violent, dangerous Antifa clashes. without a care for his own safety and was brutally attacked. And now it's happening to Nick Sorter, who was there with another independent journalist, Cam Higby, trying to cover this. And just a thought, okay,

when CBS relaunched its evening news with Topra, Topra docopul, I call him, because he's always crying and trying to get all super soft and emotional. I sent out a tweet saying, evening news is dead. Like, mainstream media is dead. Like, this is not going to succeed. And there was a reporter, a reporter,

who used to work for the Washington Post, he might still, I don't remember, who tweeted something to the fact of, now look, she and all these other independent journalists will rely on the so-called dead mainstream media for a week in this Minnesota story. That's actually not right. The only thing that people in the independent lane have been relying on the mainstream media for this week has been laughs and to mock you for your incredibly biased coverage. That, I mean, you're Right, I'd be sad if it went away, because I would miss doing that. But I don't need you. No one in the independent lane needs you.

We do need the Nick Shirley's of the world. We do need the Walter Kearns, guys like that, Chris Rufo and the Manhattan Institute, City Journal. Those are three that come to mind, three or four, who went out there and actually broke the Minnesota fraud scandal. That, that we need. None of those is mainstream. And we need the Nick Sorders of the world who will go and report. report on the violence of this group in a way the Minneapolis Star Tribune never will. This was just posted today. Hold on. You know, you take a screen, I take screen grabs of this stuff

for you guys on my phone and then I try to remember to bring it to you. Alpha News posted this. Liz Collin, who's great. She's the one who did that documentary on George Floyd or Derek Chauvin that we brought to you. Pointing out the Star Tribune today, this is what they're on. A mobile electronic billboard calling for the arrest of ICE agent. and they say his name, was parked Sunday evening across the street from where Ross killed Renee Good on Portland Avenue, Minneapolis. And then they show the billboard calling for him to be arrested and charged next to the other side of the billboard that reads RIP Renee, murdered by ICE. This is what they consider a responsible journalism. I'm sorry, you're wrong. We do not need

the mainstream media for this crap, but we do need Nick Sorder and Nick Shirley and other like them. So Nick and along with Cam Higby are in the heart of these protests last night, where the cops are getting antagonized and in some instances actually attacked. And that is what happened to Nick. They ran into another guy, a shitsdurer who goes by Andrew Mercado, who threatened violence against the two of them after stalking them in the town. Here's a bit of it in Sat 10. I am knocking him off. Approaching his feet, his cheek.

I'm gonna help. I don't know what. I'll get the whole fucking steak on here. I swear to God I will. Yeah. You should shut up, Cam. You can come out and get some too, Pam. Get the fuck out here.

You can come get some too. See what happens. See what happens. See what happened. You too should just get the fuck out of here. That's what you need to do. Get the fuck out of here. That's out of your pussy inside of the fucking car.

Look at you your fucking pussy. Oh, bitch. Yeah, that's what they do, bro. They're women, bro. All right. Okay, so they're demanding he get out of his car so they can hurt him. Nick Sorder wisely declines that invitation. And then the rioters surround his vehicle.

They get more and more antagonistic. They actually start hanging on the front of his car, on the hood and on the grill, in the front bumper. Here's a bit of it in SOT 11. They're trapped inside. They're wearing. riot gear. Nick and Nick is at least, I think. And all the guys outside are like a, like a mob of animals. Cute. Get out of the way. Get out of the way.

Jumping on his hood. Finally, he guns it. And he gets blocked by another protester's car. He has to veer off the side. He's off-roading it in order to get away. He posted a follow-up video, Nick Sordor did, of the aftermath. Listen to this, Sot 12. So just so everybody knows here, so you have these frozen water bottles. These are the two that you saw. They threw through. Right there.

Right there. Luckily, they were headrested in the way. If these things... Oh, yeah. Actually, there might be fingerprints on that one. Yeah, at least that one. We need to bag that one up. But anyway, yeah, so these are frozen solid.

Still, hours later. And if they were to have gone through, if I would not have driven away, they would have thrown them through and they would have hit us straight in the head. And we both may not be here to, but we found these in the truck later. After we drove away, we ran to the Egonne police station.

Unbelievable. I mean, no one can help them because it's so chaotic. So they really are risking their lives to go into the middle of this crowd. They're doing, I'm sure, yes, of course, he's an independent journalist, so clicks are good. But he's doing it for us. He's doing it because he knows the Minneapolis Star Tribune will not do it. Now, here's, is this Andrew Mercado himself, Deb? Or is he talking in this?

I'm not sure what was 12B. We're going to actually learn it. Okay. Okay. Here's Andrew's defense. He claims that Nick Sorder, quote, hit a woman. Let's watch, 12b. I don't want to. I'll explain it in a second. Hey, they love hitting women. They love hitting women. Look, that's what he hits her again. You just hit her again.

No, she hit him, and then he smacked her arm away. Okay, so see, that's the rule for these left. is that a woman can go over to a man who's not hurting anybody who's just videotaping, and she can hit him. She can slap him. She can punch him in the belly. She can slap him in the face. And the man, he didn't punch her. He makes it sound like he punched her in the stomach. That would be bad. He's hitting her arms away. She's hitting him and he's hitting her arm out of his face. Okay, but you're not allowed to do that in Andrew Mcado's world. In Andrew McCado's world, what needs to happen is only Andrew can hurt you. Well, now he realizes he's likely to be arrested.

for what he did to Nick's order. He really should be arrested. I genuinely hope he gets arrested. It's not too late. The whole thing is on camera. And here he is trying to save his ass in Sop 13. Well, yeah. Is that it? Is this his apology? No, sorry. His apology was written. Here, I'll read it to you. Now, he's scared. Now, big, tough Andrew is scared. He, uh, okay, writes the following. I should not have lost my cool tonight, no matter how tough it gets. I'm sleep deprived, managing PTSD. Okay. Very little food and water.

That's because you froze it all from the look of it to hurt people. Because federal agents murdered one of my fellow Minnesotans. That's false. MAGA agitators are best dealt with by ignoring them. Well, that's true. You should have ignored next order. You would have been better off. It's difficult for me as a man to watch the same few agitators go from.

city to city hitting women and instigating fights. Oh, he was the instigator. His mere presence, I would submit to the audience, was the instigation that Andrew was responding to. I apologize for losing my cool tonight and coming across as a different person. Tell it to the cops when they show up at your door, Andrew. I believe you could soon be in custody and facing some serious problems with the criminal and at least civil law for all of that. All right, one more thing before we get to our legal panel and what happened with Timothy Busfield. Last night was the Golden Globes, and it was so much nonsense. Actors like Mark Ruffalo showed up wearing a Be Good pin.

That's an homage to Renee Good. Here's not 14. This is for her. This is for the people in the United States who are terrorized and scared today. I know I'm one of them. I love this country. And what I'm seeing here happening is not America. God, he's the worst.

He's just so bad. Then there's Wanda Sykes, female, black comedian who got up there to present an award and made it all about herself. Listen here, Stop 15. Out to the Golden Glove for having me,

because you know there's some people pissed off that a queer black woman is up here doing the job of two mediocre white guys. It's so racist. It's so racist. Right? Like, you've got to, okay, so if they were white and they were guys, you've got to dismiss him as mediocre. Everybody sucks. But I am the oppressed

queer black woman doing it all. Shout out for me, like begging them to applaud for her. You're pathetic, Wanda Sykes. Do better. If you actually had, maybe you had ego death. Because if you had ego life, you would know you shouldn't, you don't need to do that in order to make yourself feel good about yourself. You just live your beautiful life. You'll attract positive energy. Negative will come too because there's a lot of envy in this world. But you handle it like a pro, like a classy lady, not somebody who's constantly mentioning, essentially, the fact that she has darker melanin and a vage. She also hit Ricky Jervase, who was the greatest to ever host the Globes, because he's been standing up for women's rights. And here's what

she said about him, Sot 15. B. Ricky Jervais, because he would like to thank God and the trans community. She's got to mention the trans community. He dedicates his win to the trans community. He doesn't. So disrespectful. How dare you? How dare you? Remember when they were just funny? Why does anybody watch this shit? We don't. I mean, we have a team that watches it so that you don't have to. But like, how pathetic, right? Like, okay, you're a tough girl. You stood up for the trans community and you ripped Ricky and diminished, disparaged his. win by mocking him. So Golden Globes, she should never be allowed to present again. And then we got to the brand new category of Best Podcast, which they just added because they want to be more relevant. And you guys have heard this story. I, among other podcasts, were nominated our show. We pulled our name from consideration. They wanted us to, you had to like fill out all these forms and actually pay a fee. And I said, no, we're not doing that. They also wanted me to go to

to Hollywood and do interviews with Golden Globes members, like behind the scenes in order to woo them into voting for me, which I said at the time, I'd rather put a bullet in my brain. Fuck no. There's zero chance I was doing any of that. So we pulled our show from consideration. Then Variety in writing up the story today claimed we were snubbed. Variety, we were not snubbed. We pulled our names from consideration. And that's just the way some of us roll. Others buy huge billboards in Times Square to try to persuade Hollywood people to like them, that didn't work out for our friend Ben very well, now did it. Amy Polar won. That's no shock, right? They gave it to one of their own. Yeah, tracks. And it's because she really has a great,

a really, really insightful podcast, which you really feel enriched after watching. I mean, I've never watched it, but this is what I hear. And when I watch the clips, I thought, my God, what am I missing? And I'll just give you a sample of what you could be listening to every day. It's SOT 17. What time do you like to eat dinner? I get at six. I make my reservations at 6 p.m. So do I. I love it so much. So great. And honestly, sometimes I like to be the first person in the restaurant. I was last night. I did 5.45 last night. Incredible. Oh, they're so relatable. They have busy lives. They get tired early. Just like you. Stars like Winnet Paltrow. Just like you. Rivening, right? Well, maybe she won because of her insightful interviews. No, wait, that wasn't it. the preparation she does, perhaps.

You know, for this show, trust me, it takes a lot of prep to find all those soundbites, to get a feel for the narrative, to present in a way that tells a story and makes it easy and yet enjoyable for you to consume. The whole team puts a lot of hours into that kind of thing, and I think you know that. If somebody comes on, they have a book, we read the book, we show them the respect of understanding what it is they're trying to say and giving them the time to do it and make sure that we know who they are and what they're there for. Amy Poehler thought Gwyneth Paltrow was in Cold Mountain, which she wasn't. Sought 16.

Cold Mountain. How cold was the mountain? I wasn't in Cold Mountain. Oh, forget it then. But thanks for thinking of Nicole Kidman. Bonus! I mean, I'm sorry. Like, they played it off like it was hilarious. But the truth is she didn't show Gwineath Paltrow the respect of actually understanding what her body of work is, recent body of work for them to discuss. So that's embarrassing and disrespectful. And that's what wins you. Yay, the award for best podcast. Also in the final running, as I mentioned, was NPR's up first? And here's the little Lela Faldon talking about it this morning.

We were the one news podcast that informs the public, often under intense pressure. Our journalists are around the world. Today we're going to be talking about Iran and the Fed and all of these things. And I was just thinking about that when we were in this glamorous room that we were representing the difficult work of our journalists around the world. Self-aggrandizing. Oh, my God. Intense pressure.

Wow, I don't know how we deal with it here in the MK show. Steve, Debbie, we got to give everybody raises the intense pressure of having to report on Iran and Minneapolis. The Fed. Oh, how will we over handle it? Literally she makes it sound like she's a Navy SEAL. Oh my gosh. Speaking of our military, Dakota Meyer goes back into the Marines this week. He starts, I think, today, back as a Marine.

Medal of Honor recipient and one of the greatest guys we've ever had on the program, and I'm proud to call him a friend, back in the Marines. I mean, that's a true, beloved, respectable American for you. the guy's already accomplished it all. He saved the lives of three dozen men and retrieved the bodies of the fallen. He had such a tough time when he returned home from service, almost taking his own life at one point. So depressed and upset was he and just trying to get through that post-combat period for a true warrior, which is a real thing.

And he showed courage there too in talking about it. And he did. He did that on this show in one of my favorite interviews. And today, he's not even 40. What does he decide to do? I mean, he could just be writing books. He could be on the self-help, you know, speaking tour. He decides to rejoin, to re-enlist. And I think he's got to go through basic training again, which will be amazing for the fellow would-be Marines around him. They're going to be like, holy shits, Dakota Meyer, tell us everything. And that's the right attitude. Watch, watch. Watch. and learn men and women, we're going to need you to be just as courageous as he is. All right, that's enough for the Golden Globes and that nonsense. Congratulations to no one, because they're all bought and paid for. That's what we learned in this process. Not a person got up there who didn't do the lobbying behind the scenes, who didn't buy and pay for their award, paying the thousands of dollars they require for you to even be considered. So you remember that when you watch this. I think you probably already knew, but boy, we didn't know it quite the way we know it now.

and move on. Okay, coming up, Garagos Murphy on the Hollywood star director, who is now reportedly on the lamb as there's a warrant out for his arrest for allegedly molesting two seven-year-old boys. He's married to Melissa Gilbert, and we'll have thoughts on her too. Let's talk about all-family pharmacy. They do what pharmacies are supposed to do, just better. They get people the medications they need fast and at a fair price. When you don't want to wait in line or deal with insurance headaches and you want your medications delivered straight to your home, all family pharmacy makes it simple. When everyone around you is getting sick and you want to be prepared instead of reactive, consider all family pharmacy. And when your doctor refuses to prescribe medications like ivermectin, even after you've done your research, all family pharmacy gives you another option.

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them during the filming of the Fox crime drama. It's a crime drama? I'm just now learning that called The Cleaning Lady. Crime drama, Deb? I've got issues. Okay, I got issues. Why would you call a crime drama The Cleaning Lady? Okay, I digress. I guess she cleans up the crime scenes. Okay. Anyway, this is a show for which Timothy Busfield was an actor and the executive producer and the director, I believe. And one of the boys says that Busfield, forgive me, touched his genitals starting back when he was seven.

And then it happened right on set. Now, Busfield hasn't spoken to this yet, but we know from the police affidavit that Busfield denied it and that his defense, we believe, if he ever shows up to make one, is going to be that the mother of both of these boys, their brothers, is disgruntled because the boys

got terminated at the end of, I think, season two and plotted revenge and may have even told an actress, the lead actress on the show, that she wanted revenge against Timothy Busfield, though the lead actress is not cooperating and would not tell police that statement. She appears to have told it to a Warner Brothers investigator. So that's where this case stands now, but there's a lot more. And the boy's testimonial to the police and to the authorities was clearly what resulted in the charges, which we'll get into. MK.K. True Crime hosts Mark Garigos and Matt Murphy are here with me. Go and subscribe to see all of the MK True Crime content on YouTube and all podcast platforms.

You just go to mKtruecrime.com. MKTruechrime.com or just go to the podcast app and type in MKTrue Crime and the podcast will come up if that's how you like to get your news. And MK True Crime, as I mentioned the other day, is crushing it. So join the fun. Mark, Matt, great to see you guys. This whole thing is so. disturbing. So Matt Murphy, I mean, you're a career prosecutor and, you know, spent your life. Every time I turn on Dateline, it's another case out of Orange County, California, that Matt Murphy prosecuted. It's amazing. I'm like, I know him. Anyway, you tell me what, why you think they indicted or issued an arrest warrant for Timothy Busfield here. Well, I think one of the reasons they did this, Megan, is he, this isn't his first

brush with accusations like this. He's been accused twice before, I think, by actresses or female actors that accuse him of impropriety. But when you get into the details of those, I think the defense, if it was even admissible, could characterize it as basically awkward passes. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't particularly violent. He wasn't using weapons or anything like that. It's more like he was drunk and gropey. The, the interesting thing, and I think Mark will find this interesting, I actually did research on this, which is always a little scary. In California, Megan, we have evidence code section known as 1108, which stands for the idea that propensity evidence or other sex crimes are generally admissible, and there's almost a presumption that it comes in.

New Mexico does not have that. In fact, New Mexico rejected that. So this is actually a tough one based on what we've seen. He said some things in his interview that were kind of weird. Like maybe I tickled him, but I, you know, he's very sort of a certain spec on that. I was very playful with these young boys. He said I was very play. I admits to being playful with them on the set. And he also says, Matt, this is, well, here's, let me tell you what I read, like what jumped out at me.

was he said he could not remember. He said, I don't, he denies, I think, the sexual assault, but he says he can't remember. And yet you've got these young boys saying, I remember, I remember. The boys, they were seven at the time, they're 11 now, are saying, forgive me, members of the audience, but that will be explicit because it's sex crime. He touched my penis and my rear end, my butt, over clothing on the set. right after scenes were done when nobody was there.

Like the set would clear off and he'd go in there. And I guess there was at least a couple of times where the main boy, it appears their twin brothers, would still be in the bed and he'd come over and start tickling him and then it would progress to, you know, abuse to feeling this boy. And there's a whole allegation about the fact that they're supposed to have people watching the boys all the time on the set and that this woman was not there

and that the police were able to verify that she was not there a lot but I mean if I came to you and said, have you ever fondled a boy, you know, in any capacity, you certainly wouldn't say I don't remember. It would be a hard, absolutely not. And so that to me sounded like the most damning exchange in here. I'll find the exact one and tell you what it is. Keep going, Matt. No, I think you're right. That's the, that's the tough part. So when I, my first day in sexual assault, I did four years in sex before I went to homicide. And my boss, Chuck Middleton called me in and he said, we don't file one on once. So in other words, every sex case, you have to have some sort of corroboration.

And it's almost formulaic. And Mark has dealt with a million of these, too. You do covert calls where the victim calls the offender. You get something good in an interview or you have some other form of corroboration. Sometimes it's, I mean, this is, again, graphic. Sometimes it's an STD that the poor little kid gets. Sometimes it is in the form of. other victims. California has significantly easier evidence laws for prosecutors than I think New Mexico

does. So this is going to be interesting to see how it plays out. I don't know what's up with him kind of being in the wind right now because I think this, based on what I've read, this is a, and I think Mark will agree, this sounds like a defensible case. And one of the things you encounter all the time, Megan, when you actually work these is you get, first of all, any second, unit, it's 90% sexual abuse of children. And you get case after case where you believe the kid, you're certain that the kids are telling the truth, but you just don't have that, that corroboration to go after them. So these are, these are tough. It psychologically takes a toll on prosecutors. Here's the excerpt. So Warner Brothers had an outside investigator come in

through another law firm and do an investigation. By the way, Warner Brothers, does not look good in this whole thing at all. The police officer alleges that they delayed for months, giving him information and giving him access to witnesses, all while there were still children on the Warner Brothers sets, and there was a real question about whether they were adequately protecting them. It's disturbing. Warner Brothers denies that and says that they protect all children.

But this is what the cop alleges, that Timothy and he had a conversation, and he said, I did ask Timothy if he ever had any physical contact with these boys and if he ever picked them up and tickled them. Timothy said it was highly likely that he would have. Timothy said it was a playful environment like he wanted. However, Timothy said the dad would make these boys hug him and he didn't really want them to. Timothy then stated, quote, I don't remember those boys. No, I don't. I don't actually. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't remember if it happened. I don't remember overtly tickling the boys ever, but it wouldn't be

uncommon for me. Now, maybe he's saying, I don't remember if I ever tickled them. And maybe there was an explicit denial saying, but I never molested them. One can assume he denied that. But then he says, Mark, I don't remember the boys at all. I don't remember the boys. No, I don't. I don't, actually. How does he not remember the boys who start in this show from at least age seven to, I think, two years later? I think two years they start in this show, and they said this alleged abuse happened over the course of possibly five to six times. As Matt will tell you, nothing makes a prosecutor happy here than they accuse deciding he's going to engage with an investigator and start talking. I, this is, this is just prime example, exhibit A, B, C, as to why you should never engage with this, with an investigator, because first of all, you think you're going to talk your way out of it and you're reading from the report, and I'm sure that's probably somewhat accurate as to what he said, and it's susceptible to many interpretations. And if an investigator's got his kind of agenda, he's going to interpret it. in a way that's most kind of incriminatory.

I will tell you the two things that bother me about this case, if true, and I don't know because I'm not involved, but I've read that at least the first person they went to or that the mother or their guardian went to was a lawyer and that it was lawyer referred. I'm sitting here in the civil courthouse. I'll tell you, one of the first questions that anybody gets asked in front of a jury is who referred you to your medical provider. And if you say my lawyer did, you should see the jurors curtain come down in terms of the credibility. That's number one. Number two, I found it interesting about the way that you said Warner Brothers comes off on this because they did hire an outside

investigator. My experience with these outside investigations is they almost always find culpability. They, especially on the individual and they go to to the extent of exonerating the corporation. So I'm fascinated by the fact that the outside investigation exonerated him. And if it's true— He was not exonerated. That's too strong a word. Well, they obviously didn't take action against them that I'm aware of.

And they did not—I don't know, and it would be interesting to know. If they found something and it was inconclusive, did they refer it to the authorities? Did they think that they had an obligation? It sounds like what happened was the boys, the one boy who allegedly was like the main target came out and told his therapist that it had graduated beyond the point that he was willing to admit earlier. Now he's 11 and he, you know, came clean with it. And that's when the police got involved more seriously. Well, I'll read you the Warner Brothers. Yeah.

That's interesting that it was that it's a therapist. who was, who presumably is a mandatory reporter. If the therapist was consulted for some other reason, that tends to be consistent with a, whether it's a fresh complaint, however you want to characterize it or analyze it. But if it turns out that the lawyer referred to the therapist who promptly then reported it, that becomes problematic.

The therapist, the way I read the complaint is that they consulted a law firm when they got wind of these alleged misbehaviors. And then the law firm referred the kid to a therapist, kids, and they admitted that he'd been tickling them on their legs and their stomachs. That's what the boys said first, at least the one boy, but I think both. And then the cops said, well, we can't really do anything with that. I mean, all of us sitting here know how creepy. and disgusting, that is. No man would tickle another man's little boy on the legs and the stomach, playfully. That is not a thing unless you're a groomer. But, okay, let's just give him

the benefit of the doubt because he's being accused of child molestation, so we don't want to get over our skis. So then the kids, at least the one main boy, continued seeing the therapist from age eight, I think, was when they first came forward to now 11. So for two or three years and finally told the therapist that he actually had been touched on his private parts by this guy Busfield. That was his allegation. And that's when they called the police again and said, you have to do something about this. And it was the police.

They did call the police to say, this is wrong. I did pull up the part about Warner Brothers. Here's what the police affidavit says. Warner Brothers made it very difficult to obtain information for this case and waited almost three months to comply with a court order to produce the independent investigation. Now that is just wrong. I mean, I'm sorry, but like Hollywood is already under suspicion for running effectively a pedophile ring, given the number of issues we've seen coming out of there. And you can go back to Roman Polansky. You can certainly go to what's happened at Nickelodeon.

Corey Feldman, child actor has been jumping up and down about this. And now you have Warner Brothers that gets an accusation. And they have a court order saying, fork it over, fork over the independent investigation. They wait three months to comply. I mean, like, there are children on their sets right now. That's why the police are upset. Warner Brothers used attorney Richard Westling to advise me that I would need to go through his law firm

to talk with any employees of Warner Brothers when I was trying to ensure the safety of additional child actors. When talking with employees of Warner Brothers, they were very afraid of retaliation from Warner Brothers if they talked to me. And again, Warner Brothers' response. by saying the health and safety of our cast and crews always our top priority, especially minors. We take allegations of misconduct very seriously and has assistance in place to promptly

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All right, let me just lay out some of what's in the affidavit, because I don't want to leave this unclear. Here's how it began. On November 1st, 2024, and this is all via the police affidavit, that's my source for all this. So last November, 24, the officer was dispatched to the hospital,

the New Mexico hospital, after a doctor called in a sexual abuse allegation. the officer spoke with the boy's parents. The officer was told by the father that there had been multiple rumors that Timothy Busfield had been hansy with women. The dad informed the officer, sorry, the mother informed the officer that she had asked their children, who were 11 at the time, if anyone had ever touched them, in a manner that made them uncomfortable.

The children responded by asking, you mean like Uncle Tim? then the dad went to a law firm that recommended that the two take the children to the hospital to be examined, which they did. It was reported that while at the hospital, the staff there advised that it appeared the children had been groomed. Officer Osborne spoke with both children who did not disclose any sexual contact at the time. However, both boys advised that Timothy Busfield, whom they referred to as Uncle Tim, would tickle them on the stomachs and legs. neither boy cared for the tickling. The officer contacted a detective with the crimes against children unit and they determined that the case did not meet their acceptance criteria at the time. That's where we left off, Matt, because presumably, you know, the tickling of the legs in the

stomach is not going to be enough to make a busy sex crime prosecutor go after Timothy Busfield and can be explained, though it's obviously inappropriate. It's not necessarily criminal or so, so believed this sex crime investigator. He either believed that or he believed just not, doesn't rise to the level to pull me away from my, like really disturbing, awful cases. On, not to diminish what happened to those boys, allegedly. On 10-3, 2025, so now we're 11 months later, the parents called child protective services. And they told child protective services that her children both disclosed that there was sexual abuse by Timothy. Bussfield from November 2020 to spring

2024. She said her children were groomed and sexually abused by him. She advised that in September, the one son, S.L. or his initials, this is the main target, allegedly, reported to his therapist that Timothy Bussfield had touched his penis and his bottom. Then by October 17th, the cop called the parents and the mother told the cop, that SL had disclosed to his therapist, who's named, that Timothy had touched these areas on him. And she also advised that in September, SL had disclosed the same to his pediatrician. Both of those areas had been touched. Then the cop reviewed the therapist records.

And he found out that this therapist diagnosed SL, who was 10 years old at the time, with post-traumatic stress disorder. He viewed an incident report submitted in September a month earlier by the therapist that documented SL disclosing that a director of the series in which SL was an actor had engaged in inappropriate touching, notes that previous disclosures were of being touched on the arm, chest, and back. SL disclosed that the director had also touched his penis and buttocks. On 9-9-20025, this therapist documented SL disclosing having nightmares about the director

touching him and waking up scared. SL also disclosed that the director had touched and rubbed him in his private areas three or four times and appeared to be ashamed. On Halloween of 2025, both SL and VL, his brother, were taken to an advocacy center for children, it's called a safe house interview. Cops says, I watched both interviews recorded and conducted by a forensic child interviewer. S.L. told the interviewer the first time Tim touched him was when he was seven. he described it as his parents no longer having an iPad to watch the set.

And when the director, Tim, said cut, Tim would come into the bedroom on the movie set and touch SL's private areas. SL provided a drawing to the interviewer showing him how he was alone with Tim. S.L said Tim would grab his waist with both hands while S.L. was lying on his back in the bed on the movie set. Tim would then touch all over S.L.'s body, including his private areas, where S.L. described his private area as where he poops and pees. S.L. said Tim touched those two areas over the clothing five to six times between sets. This is during one incident that he's describing. After the set was over, sets were over, S.L said he was scared, and he speedwalked to his father and hid behind his dad. Then there was another time he was touched when he was eight years old. And S.L. describes the movie set, same as the first. So this time it happened three to four times, same two areas. And said he was very afraid of Tim and relieved when he was offset. Then you've got the interview by the safe house interviewer of VL, the brother. VL explained that Mr. Tim started touching them for the first two years and he did not want to say anything because he did not want to be mean to Tim. VL said

Mr. Tim would start touching him with his hands about his body while they were filming in the house. VL advised that it was about his body but did not disclose that he was touched on his buttocks or area. Now, I mean, I think that just lends credibility to the family, because if I were a mother looking to get a big payday from Timothy Busfield or Warner Brothers, I would do my level best to have both of the boys have a consistent story and double my money with both kids telling that they had been abused in exactly the same way to show a pattern, to show it was the most egregious stuff, to get criminal charges. I think it actually helps the family that the VL child. did not make that allegation, but SL did. And Matt, the other thing we see from the police affidavit

is witness after witness who worked on that set, verifying that the woman who's supposed to be watching them was not there, was frequently not watching them, and also verifying that SL started his stint on this show as a bubbly, sweet, happy boy and progressively went downhill, seemed unhappy, depressed, more introverted, sullen, and clearly was not enjoying being on this set within the two years, by the end of the two years on which he was in the show, that he started acting differently. And on top of all that, there was an anonymous complaint about Timothy Busfield that was made to, through SAG after, the union, about an incident that happened. on the set of the cleaning lady,

who claimed to have witnessed an incident in the hair and makeup trailer, where Tim Busfield entered and kissed a minor male on the face as the minor was getting a haircut. The anonymous complainant further alleged that there are pictures of Mr. Busfield tickling and caressing the head

and body of minor boys. That, we don't know for sure who that was, but there was a hair and makeup person who spoke with police and said she witnessed Timothy come into the trailer where she was working and kissed the two children actors, child actors on their foreheads, but noted their parents were present at the time.

And this makeup artist said everyone knew to avoid Timothy because he was creepy. On the other side of the ledger, we have the fact that the boys didn't initially say that they were touched in the most violative of ways. And we had the lead actress telling the Warner Brothers investigator, though not the police, that the mother was, quote, that she did not like her son's being terminated. did not like what it brought out in her and that she would get her revenge against Timothy Busfield. Okay. So what did all that, Matt says to you that this is not provable or that he

didn't do it? No, that it's a tough one. And first of all, look, I don't have any kids. I can't imagine anything less I'd ever want to do than spend time tickling somebody else's kid. So, but you still have to prove sexual intent for any contact. Okay. So it's tough because, oftentimes the guy's 68 years old. A lot of times you'll get some corroborating evidence, either kitty porn on a computer, you and I've talked about that a lot in other cases. Well, I wonder if they're looking at that right now. Sorry. Well, I'm sure they are. And they're looking at cell funds and everything else. But it's 68. If none of that has come forward, he's got, they're going to argue that it's money grab.

We saw a lot of that in Diddy. But this is, that is your classic affidavit, you know, that you see working these in law enforcement. Mark has read a million of them too. It's like this is straight up the middle. The affidavit, the way the officer wrote that was also spot on that these guys will often ingratiate themselves with families to get access to the kids. And I think one of the, one of the reasons why I think a lot of people in your audience are disturbed right now, Megan, is these cases are ubiquitous. You know, serial killers are relatively rare in society. There's a lot of them, but statistically they're rare. Sex offenders like this are not. In fact, we have three different names, right? This is what would be known as pedophilia. And of course, this man is presumed

innocent, but pedophilia is pre-pubescent kids. Hibophilia is kids that are going through puberty, and a fibophilia are kids that are post-pubescent like our friend Jeffrey Epstein, frigging derpeg. Just to be clear for the record, Matt, so what you're saying is if you're a molester who's interested in the very young children, you're called a pedophile. But if you're into the more young teenage type, you're called an herbophile under the law. It's an epiphyl if it's post-pubescent. And they're all monsters. They all run different risks. They're all, I mean, collectively, we can call them all perverts, right? It's any child under the age of 18, and arguably some of the older ones are even worse because they can impregnate their victims, and you see a million of those.

But if I can make a quick connection here, if you don't mind, is we sit in the green room ready to come on. Mark's doing fancy things in court today. But listening to some of the other speakers concerning Minneapolis, you know. Wait, we'll get to that. But Mark's got to leave in a second, so I do want to get your point because I do want to get the busy here goes in on this. The interesting thing that I think Matt was dancing around it, I know Matt, long enough, and well enough to know. This is this is a DA reject, as we call it, if this had been presented to Matt. And there's a lot of things there. But it's not now. Well, it's not in New Mexico where this is. But if this were Matt, who is a very experience, probably the number one sex prosecutor

in California, at least in my experience, he would have rejected a case like this. And so it's interesting to me that in New Mexico this was filed. I think that, you know, we remember not too recently in New Mexico, another case that went off the rails with a celebrity. And I'm just not, I'm not convinced right now that this is a, this rises to the level based on even everything you've just read in that affidavit, which Matt is right. This is straight up the middle of a lot of most affidavits I see in these kinds of cases. And a lot of that stuff is never going to see a courtroom. It's great for probable cause. I get it. Where's Timothy Busfield? I've got theories on that, by the way. I mean, if you're the defense lawyer for Timothy Busfield, this is a state court case. You've got the ability to challenge this case if you're not there at the time. He may want to challenge it, whoever his lawyer, is. I can see where there is a, where there's a, some kind of a negotiation going on for all we know

between the prosecutor and his lawyer. Here's the other possibility. Other boys are coming forward right now or girls. Always the case. Always the case. When it hits the news, if this has happened to others, guarantee you they're calling somebody. And he's probably, or a lawyer has been made aware of that too. I'm not trying to condemn the guy before he has his day and in court. I'm actually, I'm very disturbed by Warner Brothers and by the fact that it appears these two kids were not protected, that they were allowed private time on the set with an adult 68-year-old man without anybody watching, which is not okay. And they've set themselves up for this kind of an allegation, the studio, and Timothy Busfield. I also do find it very disturbing.

He's saying, I don't know them. When the affidavit goes on to allege Matt that he and his wife, Melissa Gilbert had been taking these boys out for dinners, that he was being called Uncle Tim, that she was buying them gifts, including Christmas gifts. And now it's who are they? That's bullshit. So there's a reason he's lying. Yeah, there's, these things are always a collage, Megan. It's always a collage. And in the mind of the prosecutor, it's, it's an accumulation of evidence. It's almost like there's no bright line test. It's more of a feeling that you get as a posterior. Sorry to interrupt you again, Matt.

Sam by Garregos has got to run. So, Mark, thank you so much for being here and to be continued. Thank you. I appreciate it. Bye, Matt. Thanks, Mark. Thank you. Okay.

Keep going, Matt. So every case is a little bit different on these, but they are fundamentally. They're formulaic. Do you have, what corroboration do you have? That's the main question. And then one of the most common. cases that you see in sexual assault and this is really a sad reflection of kind of the modern world is you see custody disputes and you see allegations that essentially are prompted by one parent or the

other you see a ton of those and i had an old detective and his name was um he was out of huntington beach great guy and i'm completely blank on his name which makes me a bad person but he's going to be little yellow stickies with r andr written on the filing packet which stood for read and reject which meant And you look and it's like, okay, custody dispute, okay, here's an allegation of sexual abuse by one parent or the other. And those are, there's a ton of those, okay? And they're, and they're sad because they're false accusations. And a false accusation can destroy somebody. I think this guy's career is probably done, whether he did it or not. But there's a lot of smoke here and it's accumulating. And Mark was right when he was leaving. It is so common that when the press hits,

people will come out of woodwork. We saw that with Diddy, right? And a lot of those, a lot of the people who came out on Diddy, as bad as that guy was, I think some of them really were money grabs. They saw an opportunity to get out some money. This one, I don't know, you almost always, at the age of 68, this can't be his first rodeo if he's good for it. So with the media, you would expect to see it. But, you know, there's so much emotion on this issue, as there should be. But one of the reasons why there is so much is that, abuse of this kind is so common in our society. One of the questions that the judge always asks when you're picking one of these juries, which is what Mark is doing right now, not on a sex case, but he's doing jury selection today. One of the questions is, have you or anyone close to you been a victim of this or a similar crime? And, Megan, of the 12 jurors in the box, your 12 potential deliberating jurors with a gallery full of other prospective jurors, I've had cases where every single hand in the box went up. Okay. So this is, as we know, this is everywhere. It is incredibly common. It's everybody, it's one degree of separation. Everybody in America, and I'm a little

jaded after having done so many of these cases over the years, but everybody's either been abused themselves or somebody in their immediate circle has been. Okay. And that is, it's an incredibly huge problem, which in my mind, and here I go, should transcend politics. Right. This This is one area that everybody freaking needs to agree on because sex offenders don't get better. There's no treatment for them. If somebody who crosses the Rubicon and they decide they're going to take action on their impulse to abuse children, whether that's pre-during or post-pubescent kids, they're a friggin monster and they're going to keep doing it again.

And my first week in sexual assault, but in my Ted Burnett, I asked him like, what makes these guys do it, Ted? And he was a cerebral guy. and he said, it's green worms in their brain is what he said. Nobody knows how the green worms get in there. Sure is shit. Nobody knows how to get the green worms out. But as long as they draw breath, they're going to keep doing it as long as they can.

And that was my experience. And at the end of your first week in a sexual assault unit, you think you've seen it all by the end. And then after four years, I rotated in a homicide. And I realized of all the depravity I witnessed in four years in that unit, I'd only scratch the surface of people's ability to prey on others, especially children. Okay. It's amazing. What an affable guy you still are. Like, I think if I had gone through that, I would have lost my light inside. But you haven't lost your light. You must have a very thick skin and joy in your life and you're surfing. You're assuming I'm sane after that experience.

So I appreciate that. Maybe I'm faking it really well. You do better than I think I would. But wait, I want to ask you a question about this because we mentioned maybe they are looking on his home computer right now. But is that realistic? Because can you get a search warrant for – you can. So once you have an arrest warrant, what can you get as an investigator to go investigate? That's exactly right. You can get – it's called a piggyback warrant. I'm sure they call it the same in New Mexico.

But what you get is you get – you'll get access to his computers. You will get access to his cell phone. they're going to get into whatever is porn history is on those computers. And by the way, going to dinner, you know, each case is unique, right? So maybe there's some reason why he's taking those boys to dinner or why he had an affinity. I mean, he's with his wife. But it's certainly on the surface. It sounds kind of weird. Again, presumed innocent, all that. But, okay, one of the groups that you deal with all the time when you're prosecuting sex cases is you deal with the feds. You deal with federal task forces. They had one. They do stings. They do internet child pornography stings. And that's a

it's a critical component of law enforcement against sex offenders is working with the federal government. A lot of times it's with the FBI. But I'm here to tell you, and this is a word we keep hearing lately, a lot of times it involves ICE. Right. And I have statistics that I want to share with you. Listening to those people in the previous segment, as I'm sitting in the green room waiting to come on, and the septum rings and all that, the railing against federal law enforcement, these are some of the people that are most dedicated to getting sex offenders arrested, putting them in prison, and then ultimately deporting them if they're not here legally, right? And in 2023, ICE arrested 4,390 sex offenders. It's a part of it. It's a part of

their job. That was the last year of Joe Biden. And nobody said a friggin word because back then, shockingly, we all kind of agreed it's a bit of a bipartisan issue. We're going to protect kids who aren't political at all. Children deserve the protection of all adults, regardless of what side of the political aisle they are. Right. So in 2024, last year, first year of President Trump, ICE arrested 16,552 sex offenders. And that is their priority. They had a special operation in the state of Florida called Operation Dirtbag. And that's the federal law enforcement officials. The women and men that do that are critical to protecting our kids.

And these people that think it's a good idea to block their cars, they have no idea who they're going after. They prioritize sex offenders and violent felons and gang members. But particularly given how many there are, these federal agents in ICE and other federal agencies prioritize sex offenders. offenders. And there should be, there should be no rational debate about that. So somebody goes and drives their car. I wonder if they said, like, I wonder if Tom Homing came out and Christy Noem and said, we're making an announcement. We are now for the next six months, only targeting child sex offenders, only child sex molestator or molesters. What would they do? I mean, it would be a very interesting experiment to see whether the same, you know, Karen Antifas would stay out there.

You know what? I think they probably would because they're so, these people are so crazy. I don't know if it's the septum rings. It's making them mad because every time you look like it's like they got a ranking out of it. It is related to being extremely homely. It is. Maybe. Maybe so. I don't know. But it's, but as a, look, as a prosecutor, it is maddening to me because I know the work that ICE agents are doing as a sexual assault prosecutor. And same thing with the FBI. They devote a tremendous amount of resource to that. And the idea that somebody is, blocking them. Again, they're like, they think they're doing good. I think they're motivations. I want to believe that they're, that they think they're doing the right thing. But they're so friggin' stupid because they don't understand what ICE is actually attempting to accomplish. And at the end, the people who benefit are their own children. It is maddening. Exactly. I don't understand how a mother could get out there and try to stop these arrests of these molesters. All right, I want to keep going because I don't have enough time. I've got to ask you about Renee Good's wife.

We played the video earlier of her antagonizing that cop, and now we know from his own camera on his iPhone that she was the one who said, drive, baby, drive. She told the wife to do it. And we also know that the two of them had been working together to train, to antagonize ICE. She was part of the perpendicular parking that Renee Good did earlier, we believe.

So could there be charges against Renee Good's wife? Yes, there could be charges against her wife and not even for the aiding and evading or the encouraging of driving forward. But this is, she keeps being referred to as a protester and from a purely legal breakdown. Okay. She comes from Colorado. I've read that she's a paid protester. I haven't seen the evidence on that or not. But when you get together with a group of people, including just one other person in your car,

and you decide you're going to go out and you're going to impede federal agents attempting to arrest violent felons or sex offenders, that is, that's a conspiracy. It's two more people agreeing to go and commit a crime. And if it's federal agents and you cross state lines, it is a federal felony. It's a conspiracy to do that. So before we even get to what she was yelling in the car, that by itself is really problematic. Protesting in my mind is you're standing on a corner with a with a bullhorn waving flags or signs that you've written with your sharpie. Wait, but Matt. I don't know if she crossed state lines.

They lived in Colorado. Then they moved to Canada after Trump was elected, according to the reports, and then move to Minneapolis. I guess Canada wasn't all it's cracked up to be. But does that change things? Wouldn't the feds have jurisdiction anyway because it was a federal officer? They would absolutely have jurisdiction anyway. There's multiple theories to get there.

And I don't know. And again, I haven't. I've only seen what the rest was have. it's been released online. I haven't been able to read any, you know, I don't think any real documents have been released yet. But here's another thing just to keep in mind. A lot of the analysis on this, I defend police officers now, Megan. That's the bulk of my practice, as you know. And a lot of the discussion out there is what was, what was this woman thinking when she was driving forward? What was she thinking? Surely she wasn't trying to kill him.

Legally, there's a case called Graham v. O'Connor. It's in 1989, U.S. Supreme Court case that talks about how we analyze use of force by police officers. And it is a seminal case in American jurisprudence. And essentially, it stands for the proposition that it must be viewed from the position of the police officer when he or she perceived the threat. Okay. Is it reasonably perceived? Subjective or objective? It's a really good question. Only a lawyer would ask that. It is a mix of objective and subject of circumstances. Okay. I remember that. from criminal procedure. Just explain to the audience what that means.

It's, yeah, so it's known as the, it's the 2020 hindsight rule colloquially. That's what this case is known. And that is we don't pick apart the actions or thoughts of that particular police officer. You have to look at it objectively. What would a reasonable police officer in the shoes of that officer feel as far as perception of a threat? And she drove her car forward. We got, I saw that.

Like, she actually hit him with her car. So it all blows down to any any shooting of a mother is is tragic, right? That is that is sad. But the legal analysis of that is what would a reasonable police officer in the position of that federal agent feel as this woman? And that federal agent had personally been dragged by another car within the last year and severely injured. Which would be relevant. So it is and it's a mix of that officer's individual experience, their fear of what's going on along with the, objective circumstances that the officers face with. And there was a great clip. I don't know if you

saw this. The chief of Chicago PD of all places, and I was kind of surprised, he went on a rant talking about how if you're blocking federal agents intentionally, that's how people get ambushed. Like anybody, any of your viewers were ever in the military? We found out it was from October, but it was, the point was totally well taken. But there was another Supreme Court case that says it doesn't matter if the shooting, if the first bullet was justified, because cops are trained to shoot to kill. If they're firing their gun, they're trying to kill. There's no shooting in the leg nonsense like we see in the movies. But there's another Supreme Court precedent that says, you don't start evaluating the second and the third bullet when they all come together like

that. That's not, because a lot of people saying, oh, but the second shot and the third shot, Matt, are the reason to charge this guy. Yeah, and that's, that, that, Number one, that is, that's exactly what the Supreme Court prohibits. Okay, that is hindsight 2020. That's dissecting something in a rapidly evolving situation that that person has to make split-second decisions for their own safety and the safety of other officers and the safety of other, quote-unquote, protesters, too. So it's a split-second thing. And the next thought here, Megan, is what's the end game? You know, there's a thing known as officers created jeopardy, which is something I've been dealing with on a case I have.

have a homicide case in Los Angeles County right now where an innocent police officer has been charged with a homicide for shooting the gang member in 2018 because the guy with high on meth sitting in a stolen car, murder suspect in a separate case, all of a sudden reaches for what anybody would think was a sought off shotgun. Later it turns out to be a BB gun and BLM gets involved and they took a principled stand Jackie Lacey who's a friend of mine, former DA of LA, took a principal stand, refused to file because he was innocent. George Gascones comes in, files that case. Now you've got a guy who is a model police officer, number one in his academy class,

father of two kids, little league coach, one of the best cops I've ever worked with in 33 years, and he gets charged with a homicide. Imagine this for those circumstances. And I'm going to win it one way or another. We have a new DA, Nathan Hockman, who is solid. Okay. But I'm hoping they're going to dismiss it. But what is the endgame here?

You've got the governor, you've got the mayor, all calling for this agent to be prosecuted with murder. And first of all, there's a whole procedure that they're going to have to survive in order to do that. Where it's called a federal removal order. A federal judge gets to make the call of whether or not he was acting reasonably, essentially in conformity with his duties, which I think that's going to be tough for any prosecution to get around. But these people that keep talking, frigging Tim, walls and all these people, it's, we don't do mob justice in America or we're not supposed to anyway. And the mayor who keeps blabbing, like, I think that they, at the very least, if they're ever

successful in getting a murder prosecution against him, there's no way that's going to be in Minneapolis. And it's going to be in some other county like we saw in Coburger, where they, where they have to remove it from the local area. But it is, what's the next up? So do we just start prosecuting our cops? Is that the idea? So if you have a Democratic president who's trying to get sex offenders or Smalley and fraudsters out of the country, then it's okay, but if it's a Republican that we don't like, then all of a sudden the same

agents. Thank God the feds have taken control of the investigation. The locals are frustrated, but that's the way it needs to be. I got to run. I'm short in time. Love talking to you. I can run out. No worries. M.K. True Crime is where you can hear more analysis from Matt and the guys. Thanks to Matt and thanks to Mark Garragos, too.

Look, I do want to say a word about this case, this Timothy Bustfield, Melissa Gilbert case. The allegations are deeply disturbing. And I'm sorry, but I don't smell a money grab here. I don't. I think the two boys are innocent. I think they came forward. And this is not atypical to see them kids who have been abused come forward and first admit a little, only to later admit a lot. Now, I don't know. I'd like to know more. So I'm going to keep my mind open. And I don't want to prejudge Timothy Busfield's case before he's had the chance to defend himself. I find an extremely odd that he's not turning himself in, and he is at large. It's been, again,

we're on day four now, very strange. And I also think it's interesting that people on the set saw the change in the one boy, that somebody not knowing these boys were making this allegation made an anonymous complaint about him and what she perceived as inappropriate touching of the boys. This is all that he's had two other cases in which not young kids, but a 17, year old woman and then a 28-year-old woman accused him of in one case, like, physically assaulting her in a movie theater so desperate was he to get in her pants. And they were on a date. And she was basically saying he went off on me. And then another woman, the specifics of which I don't know, the 17-year-old, but he tried to sue a law firm that represented her for defamation.

He lost and a court ordered him to pay that firm $150,000 in their legal fee. fees and he also was forced to settle with that 17-year-old. So I don't know. I don't know what happened, but here's what I do know. Melissa Gilbert on November 15th, when she decided to get online and start lecturing me about abuse cases, knew full well that her husband had been accused of molesting two young boys. She knew it. And friends, that's why she did it. She went online and decided to try to make herself into a victim in the whole 15-year-olds are also abuse victims, which people claimed that I disagreed with, which I would never disagree with. I have interviewed girls of that age who have been abused abused. I've interviewed girls who have grown from that

age and tell me about the abuse when they were that age. In no world did I ever say that they weren't abused victims. I was making a distinction between the legal term pedophile and who it encompasses, and that is it. And these fucking loons decided to run some campaign suggesting I was, I didn't think it was a deal for a 15-year-old to get assaulted or abused. Melissa, Melissa Gilbert jumped on board. And this is not the first time. She lectured me a couple months ago, and I said if they're rebooting Little House on the Prairie, which they reportedly are, they better not wokeify it. And she got on and wax poetic about how she, she thinks Little House on the Prairie was woke and correcting me and my views that she didn't like, she's

lecturing Trump for years now on the abuse issue, very holier than now. And now we see why. There is only one reason she did that. And by the way, in her post about me, she tried to paint herself as a 15-year-old assault victim saying, I was only 15, she writes. I was 15 when, hold on, I'm trying to find it exactly, when I was expected to fall in love with and kiss a man on film who was several years older. Through the lens of today, this is shocking. I have no words other than to say I was a child. I was 15. Thank God my mom and Michael Landon and so many others were there to make sure I was safe. Can you imagine if I hadn't had them all? I'm so fortunate. What are you saying? You were impugning Dean Butler, who was 23 and played Almanza Wilder when you were 15.

So, yeah, there was an eight-year age difference between actors on a set that had the most benign kissing scenes ever. It was like, trust me, I watched every episode. There was nothing, nothing that you couldn't show on a church altar. And what do you mean, thank God from Michael Landon? Who do you think directed that show? Who produced that show? Who was the star? Michael Landon, he was totally fine with everything he was asking you to do, which included kissing a 23-year-old Dean Butler. And why are you suggesting if Michael Landon hadn't been there and your mom that Dean Butler would have raped you in front of the film set? What the fuck is this? This is her trying to paint herself into the prism of abuse, both as an alleged recipient of it while she was on camera in front of the world and as an avenger of it. And my friends, I am telling you,

She, with the cooperation of People magazine, which is the new gawker, that's how gross they've become, especially the digital version. I know the woman who runs it, and she's gone full tabloid. This woman begs me behind the scenes for little tips about anybody. She begs me for a crumb about any celebrity. She'll stick the knife into any celebrity and then go to their face and say, oh, I'll do a lovely feature for you. But trust me, she's calling people like me for dirt on any celebrity she can find. So People Magazine decided to blow this up and people ran with it because they made it about me, which is always fun. And Melissa Gilbert, the whole time was obviously trying to cover up for the huge sexual molestation scandal that was about to break in her own marriage.

She's mentioned repeatedly in the police affidavit on buying the presence for the boys in what the cop is calling an atmosphere of grooming. So she's got to answer for some of these things, too. And we now know she was on the phone call in which they outed all these complaints against Timothy Busfield by both boys and the touching of the genitalia. She heard it all. She heard it two weeks before she tried to cast herself as mine. moral better on the subject of abuse. Melissa Gilbert, you can sit the fuck down. You have been exposed. Shame on you. Shame on you for that cynical ploy. Shame on you People magazine for going along with it. And shame on you, Timothy Busfield. Because if you touched one hair on the heads

of those boys, I hope they throw the full measure of the criminal and civil law against you. And I hope if there is anything on those home computers or any record about anything untoward near history, they find it. If you are innocent, you should come forward, you should turn yourself in, and you should fight these claims aggressively. The way Jay-Z did, when he was wrongly accused, he gave a denial that sounded like that of an innocent man, saying it didn't happen. There will never be anything to prove it happened and gave details.

He ran toward the truth. the truth, which is the sound of a true fact lover, of the truth lover. I haven't seen Timothy Busfield do that so far. I haven't seen Melissa Gilbert do it so far. Doesn't mean they won't. I look forward to hearing that and watching that case fall out or play out. It's kind of none of my business from this point other than as a news reporter. But what they tried to do to yours truly is my business. And I think all of these magazines who participate in these and letting these Hollywood celebs be virtue signulars, especially around the issue of abuse, need to have their antenna up. It's too rampant in your industry not to have some pause. It's just too rampant.

I'm sorry. There's too much reason to suspect why a Hollywood actor or actress would be gratuitously, spontaneously running to the Instagram or to the cameras to show everyone how virtuous they are in abuse because we've seen it happen time and time again, where within days or weeks or months or more, they're outed as one of the worst. Thank you all for listening tomorrow. You're going to be live at the U.S. Supreme Court on one of the biggest cases, if not the biggest case of the term. Should boys be allowed to participate in girls' sports? It's on. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show, no BS, no agenda, and no fear.