The Megyn Kelly Show - Deep Dive: The Truth About Minnesota's "Trans Refuge" Bill That Gov. Tim Walz Pushed Through | Ep. 894

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Megyn Kelly is joined by attorneys Bob Roby and Matt Sharp to discuss the truth about Minnesota's controversial "trans refuge" bill championed by Governor Tim Walz, the motivations behind the legislat...ion, the spin and lies from the left about it, the way the bill labels parents who don't affirm their children's choices as "abusive," the legal and ethical implications of this legislation, the dangers this poses for parents and kids, and more. Plus Megyn's closing message for those on the fence about who to vote for in 2024.Roby- https://mnmediation.com/Sharp- https://adflegal.org/Blackout Coffee: https://BlackoutCoffee.com/MK or use the code MK for 20% off your first orderBirch Gold: Text MEGYN to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow 

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's deep dive special episode that you're going to want to hear. Today, we are taking a very specific look at one very specific Minnesota law, thanks to governor and now VP candidate Tim Walz, that the corporate media continues to get totally wrong and continues to tell you doesn't exist or do all the things that I have been telling you it does. I'm going to give you an example, okay. I've been talking about it on this show. And then recently I went on the road with Tucker Carlson and explained to him what will happen as a result of this Minnesota so-called trans refuge law.
Starting point is 00:00:58 And many people can't believe their ears. It's so radical. And they think I must have my facts wrong. I must be spinning this. Well, I don't. And I'm not. Before I went out and spoke about this publicly, I did my homework. As you know, I'm a lawyer and I consulted with many experts, both inside and outside of Minnesota on whether this law did what my own lion eyes told me that it did. They weren't lying. They were right. And I'll just give you a flavor for the discussion with Tucker. You can see the whole thing online, but here's what I said. I come here and someone's like, are you going to ask her about Taylor Swift? I've got thoughts. Screw you, Taylor Swift.
Starting point is 00:01:40 She turns around. Not only does she pick a side in a hotly contested presidential election, alienating at least half of her fan base, but she says the reason she's voting for Kamala Harris is because of Tim Walz's LGBTQ stance. Do you know what Tim Walz has done on the LGBTQ front? Tim Walz, let me tell you what's going to happen. Okay, here's what's going to happen. A little girl sitting in Wisconsin who's maybe on the spectrum, maybe has acne, maybe is a little heavyset, maybe feels upset because her parents are getting divorced, something like that, is going to find herself down a rabbit hole on Reddit. And her parents aren't going to know because they're getting a divorce and they're
Starting point is 00:02:28 not focused on her right now. And she's going to spend hour after hour on that thing. And Reddit's going to tell her she's actually a boy. And she's going to get sucked into this gender cult. And she's going to say, mom and dad, I want puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones, which will sterilize her and deprive her of all sexual pleasure for the rest of her life. And they're going to say, no, you're a girl. And she's going to say, but I want top surgery, this benign thing, this double mastectomy where I'll have tubes coming out of me and I'll never breastfeed a child. I want that too, because I'm a boy. And they're going to say no. And she's going to go to a judge in Minnesota. And because of Tim Walz, the court will take custody of her, use the Medicaid funds in Minnesota to provide her all of those things, chop off her breasts,
Starting point is 00:03:14 sterilize her with the puberty blockers and the cross-sex hormones, and when this girl inevitably comes to the conclusion that she didn't want any of this, that it only added to her problems, which were the divorce and the acne and the puberty and not any trans issue. Who is she going to go to then? This is all because of Tim Walz. That's what Minnesota is doing right now to little girls and boys, taking custody away from the parents so that they can have these procedures without any loving parent there to help. And that's what Taylor Swift just endorsed for your children. So screw you, Taylor Swift. So that is my interpretation of the law. And now I've brought on two legal experts on this law to talk about it. We are joined now by Bob Roby. He's a Minnesota attorney, a family law attorney
Starting point is 00:04:01 who was almost going to testify about this law, but we'll get into what happened. And Matt Sharp, who's senior counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom, which has been speaking out about it ever since it was in debate. If you're tired of the same old coffee from those mega corporations pushing their woke agendas, listen up. It's time to take a stand and support a brand that truly embodies American values, Blackout Coffee. They stand with hardworking Americans who believe in family, faith, and freedom. They roast some of the most incredible coffee you will ever taste using only premium grade beans, roasted and shipped to you within 48 hours. And for the cold brew fans, Blackout Coffee is excited to announce the launch of their
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Starting point is 00:05:26 months ago. And you tell me whether I have overstated the draconian nature of this law. No, the scenario you set up is absolutely spot on as far as what this law does. There's no question about it. When a bill uses terms like emergency custody and describes what would warrant a court taking emergency custody in a case, you got to pay attention. I mean, it defines gender affirming care, which the bill puts in the category of neglect or abuse, warranting emergency custody by a judge. And it defines gender affirming care, which is a total euphemism. I mean, you know, gender, what's caring? You know, you're denying care.
Starting point is 00:06:21 That's what the Minnesota narrative has been crafted into this bill. And it's defining it to include the very things you talked ended up throwing herself in front of a train, and they had to pick up her pieces. And this has happened. This is a nightmare for people in Minnesota and anyone whose kid might end up there. Matt, what's your take? Yeah, I agree. And in fact, I take it one step further, Megan. Not only would this apply if a girl was in Minnesota, but let's say you have a young lady living in Ohio
Starting point is 00:07:17 and she has a woke aunt that says, you know what, I think you would benefit from puberty blockers and hormones. Let's take you to Minnesota so she can now transport this minor to Minnesota and use this law to get custody of the girl and then start making decisions saying, I'm going to put you on the blockers. I'm going to put you on the hormones. I'm going to get you these surgeries undermining that girl's parental rights back home in Ohio. So not only is this a front to kids in Minnesota and harming them, but across the country,
Starting point is 00:07:44 parents now have to worry about someone taking their child to Minnesota and harming them. But across the country, parents now have to worry about someone taking their child to Minnesota and stripping away their custody and their ability to protect kids from these dangerous drugs and surgeries. So God forbid, Bob, this happened to me. Now I live in Connecticut. And suddenly my kids were, a child of mine were in Minnesota and somebody, because it doesn't even have to be a relative that gets, it could be like Planned Parenthood that files the petition and says, we want to get this kid here in Minnesota. So now my husband and I remain in Connecticut. We are outraged. Where's our child? Who the hell filed a petition to get them into the jurisdiction of a court in
Starting point is 00:08:21 Minnesota? And they're in Minnesota physically right now, and God knows what's going to happen. We would normally go to a court in Connecticut where we live, where let's presume in this hypothetical, thank God scenario, there's a psychiatrist who sees the child and there's a, you know, I don't know, a teacher and everybody who's looking after the child's mental health along with my husband and me. And we would say to a Connecticut court, go give us our child back. Like, please issue a subpoena that we can run into Minnesota with saying, give us our child back. And that's how it would work in virtually all circumstances. If somebody were to like, take your kid across straight state lines and try to keep him or her from you. But Bob, you tell me what would happen if we went to Minnesota with that subpoena from Connecticut, thanks to this law. Well, in Minnesota, in dealing with abuse situations,
Starting point is 00:09:14 and that's how this has been categorized by the bill. In dealing with abuse situations, you can imagine it's warranted for the court in the place where the child is found to be. If the child's immediate safety is at risk, then the court takes on jurisdiction for the safety of the child. of cases that warrant exclusive and emergency jurisdiction, they are cutting out the Connecticut court, saying we have the kid here, the kid's at risk of harm, immediate harm, warranting our jurisdiction so you don't have any. That's exactly what this bill does.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Because they consider abusive not to give the kid this so-called gender-affirming care. Right. Exactly. That's what they've categorized. And to say that it's only for out-state kids is a bald-faced deception. I mean, if this is what warrants abuse in Minnesota, how do all parents in Minnesota think that this is not going to be used to measure their own family's situation in state? I mean, you can't say this is abuse for kids outside the state, but we're not going to protect, because that's the language now. We're not going to protect kids in the state. We're not going to apply this. No, you have an equal protection problem immediately. So you say you're protecting kids. You can't apply it to kids who are from
Starting point is 00:10:51 other states and not your own kids. So, I mean, it's a bald-faced lie to say this isn't going to be applied to Minnesota kids. It's a standard that they've established now for neglect or abuse warranting emergency jurisdiction. And this is the scariest scenario. I mean, we've got, you know, this has happened already in other states. And WALS, I mean, South Dakota outlawed these measures, these kind of treatments, along with the whole country of Sweden, who is way ahead of us on this. They did a full study, follow-up study, of patients who went through trans surgery and treatments and found that their suicide rate was 19 times higher. 19 times, not percent, 19 times higher than the average. And they banned all these things because they didn't want to hurt children.
Starting point is 00:11:45 I don't know why Governor Walz, what he has against children, but it's pretty apparent. Yeah. And let's just look at the language of the statute, Matt. It's HR 146, and it reads as follows in part, temporary emergency jurisdiction. A court of this state has temporary emergency jurisdiction. If the child is present in this state and sub three, the child has been unable to obtain gender affirming health care as defined in section 543.23 paragraph B. What does that 543.23 paragraph B says? What does it say about gender affirming healthcare? Gender affirming healthcare means, quoting from the statute, medically necessary healthcare or mental healthcare that respects the gender identity of the patient as experienced and defined by the patient. And that may include, but is not limited to one interventions to suppress the development of
Starting point is 00:12:53 endogenous secondary sex characteristics, meaning puberty blockers to interventions to align the patient's appearance or physical body with the patient's gender identity. Three, interventions to alleviate the patient's symptoms of clinically significant distress resulting from gender dysphoria. And it goes on from there. That covers all of it. Puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, surgeries, period. Yeah, it's absolutely terrifying. So you play out the scenario. Imagine you've got a mom and dad, and like you described, a young girl that she's maybe on the spectrum, she's dealing with confusion, anxiety, depression, other things. And the parents say, let's put a pause, let's wait and see, and let's try and treat the other things first.
Starting point is 00:13:42 What, as Bob was saying, so many European countries are doing, so many U.S. states are doing is prioritizing good mental health care over this medicalization. But under this law, Minnesota courts now have the authority to use that emergency jurisdiction language you cited and saying, because mom and dad, you will not give these girls puberty blockers, hormones, these dangerous, potentially sterilizing surgeries. We're going to take jurisdiction and we're going to start deciding this is medically necessary and immediately putting her on these drugs and now allowing her to access these surgeries and everything else that comes with this. And as Bob said, this is not a hypothetical. We've actually had a case just across the state line from Minnesota in Wisconsin, where a school district there was socially transitioning a girl, pushing this teenage girl that was dealing with depression and anxiety during all the COVID crisis and pushing this girl towards embracing a male identity, hiding it from the parents, refusing the parents when they then tried to intervene and protect their daughter. So this law takes what's happening in Wisconsin and other states like it and magnifies
Starting point is 00:14:45 it so that now the judges can order these kids to be put on these drugs and surgeries, and the parents back home have no recourse. They can't get a subpoena. They can't do anything to protect their kid under this law. And that's ultimately going to do a lot of damage to kids in Minnesota and across the country that are going to continue to be damaged by this harmful gender ideology. How can it be, Matt, that an unrelated adult can step in and be the person to spearhead this seizure of a loving parent couple's child? Like, I mean, I don't agree with it, but I can at least picture the nosy aunt interfering. But how can a Minnesota court say some stranger, let's say with the Human Rights Campaign or some GLAAD-affiliated organization, can step in after receiving a complaint from a child they do not know and effectively wrest custody away from the parents without showing that they're abusive in any way other than they won't affirm this identity or allow these procedures.
Starting point is 00:15:50 Yeah, this is a direct attack on parental rights. There's no doubt about it. We have always respected the role of parents, of good mom and dads, to make decisions about their kids, to guide and whether it's their health care, their mental health, their education, whatever it is. And this Minnesota law says you don't even have to be a parent, just an adult acting in the role of as a parent. That could be anyone, like you said. It could be Planned Parenthood. It could be a profit-motivated gender clinic that says, child, come to Minnesota. We can get emergency jurisdiction and make sure that we're going to get you these drugs and these surgeries and do irreversible damage. And we'll take care of pushing your parents out of the picture, stripping away
Starting point is 00:16:29 their custody, stripping away their ability to do it. So now you have this system that, like you said, an unrelated adult, someone at a gender clinic, someone at Planned Parenthood can misuse this law to insert themselves in the role of parent and strip away the ability of parents to safeguard their kids from this harmful gender ideology. As I read the law, Bob, in Minnesota, Medicaid does have to cover these types of procedures for youth and others. And so it's also something that the taxpayers could potentially have to pay for if the child doesn't have the funds or if Planned Parenthood doesn't want to do it gratis because they do do some of this at least the medicine doling out. Yeah, well, that's part of the whole picture. When you take this scenario and plop it in the middle of a neglected or abused child's situation. You can certainly imagine if some kid was being trafficked and, you know, their parents are nowhere to be found and some, you know, good Samaritan
Starting point is 00:17:35 tries to bring their kid in and get help, that that scenario you could see, well, we shouldn't have to have the parents to help this kid, you know, and meet the child's basic needs, keep the child safe. But when you take, this is unprecedented that to say that define this type of situation as abuse or neglect, it's putting all of the mechanisms around it that are normally only warranted where a child's at risk of harm. South Dakota would say, you're the one, you are the abuser, state of Minnesota, by doing, you know, they've outlawed these things. So, I mean, it's putting Minnesota at a very hostile position with other states. What happened, Bob? Because this came down, this was passed narrowly on a party line vote
Starting point is 00:18:34 and then signed into law over a very sharply divided, even in Minnesota, which is a blue state, by Governor Tim Walz. So you were going to testify. You're a lifelong family attorney. And from what I understand, not some dyed-in-the-wool conservative. You were going to testify against this law. Tell us what happened. Yeah, I mean, I do a lot of neutral work in this area.
Starting point is 00:19:00 And I've been doing juvenile court cases, adoptions, contested adoptions. You know, this is not a party issue. But I came down when I, I mean, I was some, some people alerted me to this and they said, they're going to try to pass this legislation. Would you come down and just talk about what you know? And, you know, I'd looked into the Swedish study that was done. I'd looked into the background, the homework, the facts, and just, this was just, the policy behind this was insane. I was like, I'm going to go down there and talk to these, the Judiciary Committee about, you know, what are the facts behind this whole issue? You guys need to have that on the table. And I went down and, you know, I sat there and, the committee, which was controlled by Democrats, refused to allow anyone to testify, including me, that were from the general public.
Starting point is 00:19:53 They had the author of the bill and a doctor who was in a position to benefit from this bill were the only ones allowed to speak in the committee. And I made the trip down to St. Paul for nothing, apparently, that day. But that's the kind of control. Now, if this issue got before a judge, the judge certainly wouldn't say, well, I'm only going to hear from people on one side. And so what's happening down at the St. Paul legislature in Minnesota is that any kind of notion of due process or full review of issues is being shut down. And that ought to concern everyone in Minnesota. We don't have a good process for discussing these issues at the Capitol. And this is what the result is. Even when it comes to children and their well-being. And Governor Walz is just fine with
Starting point is 00:20:48 that. He signed right off on it. Let's just spend a minute on the person who sponsored the bill, Representative Lee Finke, who is a Democratic Farmer Labor Party. That's how Lee is described. 42 years old. Lee is the first openly transgender member of the Minnesota legislature. Lee is described, 42 years old. Lee is the first openly transgender member of the Minnesota legislature. Lee is quite clearly a man posing as a woman. And Lee is, and there you can see Governor Walz right behind Lee. Lee is responsible for a lot of the radical legislation that's getting pushed through in Minnesota. This one in particular, Bob, I don't know whether Lee has any biological children of his own, but Lee has effectively managed to endanger everyone else's thanks to pushing this through. Yep. Yeah, that's true. I don't know much about Lee personally, other than what you just went through, but why this person is
Starting point is 00:21:48 being given so much power by the administration is mind-boggling. The influence there is just, I mean, what's going on? People in Minnesota ought to be just freaking out over this. And it takes a lot to get Minnesotans freaked out because they're pretty passive aggressive as many know. But, but this, if this doesn't wake them up, I don't know what would. I, I'm. Do they not know, Bob? Do you think they don't know? You know, do you think they believe? Because right now I said this a couple of months ago on my show and all these people tried to fact check me saying this is not true. It's not true. It's not true. So then they believe it's not true, but it's true. It is true. And Governor Walz, go ahead and sue me.
Starting point is 00:22:29 If it's not true, sue me. Sue me for defamation, for defaming you here openly. Let's have that litigation. It's true. And so he can't. But go ahead, Bob. Do they not know? And I've I've been I was threatened on the Senate floor. I mean, not by name, but what the Senate senators sponsoring the bill said, this attorney ought to be reported to the bars. And I said in my mind, please do, please do. Let's get that discussion in the news, something. It has to get out in the open because these private, empty threats are ridiculous. I mean, they know that what I'm saying is true. I mean, it's absolutely rock solid. I'm not partisan. I care about kids. My whole career has been around family law and trying to make things better for kids. And this is about kids' own welfare and their well-being. And they've politicized this thing like crazy. Yeah. Well, I think to that point,
Starting point is 00:23:27 a lot of parents are shocked when they hear about this. It's one of the things we hear all the time when parents call us. And we've had a case in Michigan and Colorado and other places where these schools are transitioning kids and they're hiding it from parents. And these parents call us and they're shocked because in their mind, they're thinking, surely the government's not going to take away my kid. They're not going to interfere. They're going to let me know if my child is struggling with gender confusion. In fact, when you talk to parents, left, right, whatever they are on the political aisle, they agree that they ought to be the first call when this is happening. So I think there is a sense of parents like disbelief that Minnesota would do something like this, that they would
Starting point is 00:24:04 actually say, you're an unfit parent. We're going to strip away custody of you if you don't immediately put your kids on these dangerous puberty blockers and hormones. So I think conversations like this, where we let parents know this is happening no matter where you are in the country. This isn't just a California or a Massachusetts issue. It's happening in Minnesota. It's happening all over the country where these policies and these laws are being pushed that undermine parental rights, that push kids down these one-way streets towards gender identity. And with the message parents need to know is be on the lookout. Don't assume that your school that you love has your best interest, because quite often we're seeing they're adopting policies and they're pushing this stuff on kids and
Starting point is 00:24:42 sometimes even intentionally hiding it from parents. For example, I mentioned the Michigan case. The family there, this had been happening for months that the school was changing their records, changing documents before they sent them home to the mom and dad to erase the fact that the school was treating the daughter as a young boy. And it wasn't until a slip-up happened and a document came home and the teacher forgot to catch it and make the correction that the parents found out that this had been happening for months. This is the type of deception that's happening. It's the type of actions by the government that are undermining parental rights. And what we're seeing in Minnesota is it being taken to a whole new level where now the full force of state law and power to judges to take away parental rights is being pushed there. And it
Starting point is 00:25:25 ought to be a real wake-up call for families across the state and across the country. Once you allow social transition, which these schools are doing in so many states without the parents' knowledge or consent, that child almost always pursues the rest because it's very difficult to reverse once you've come out and said, oh, I'm a different gender and I'm dressing like that different gender and acting and changing mine. It's very hard for these kids to then say, I made a mistake and go back on it. Before you know it, these so-called harmless puberty blockers are given, which cause all sorts of potential health risks to the brain, to the body, to the bones, and then it straight into cross-sex hormones. And sure enough, your odds of becoming completely sterile are through the roof. And your odds of ever having sexual pleasure, as I said in that clip, are all but predetermined. And I received this information
Starting point is 00:26:17 in the first instance from trans activists who are on tape being honest about this in talking about the risk before people they don't think will criticize them. But it's verified. I mean, it's not even a controversial thing to say. They will admit that on the other side. And so Matt, they take these kids who are having the normal growing pains that we all went through
Starting point is 00:26:38 and they fast track them into these radical drugs and then surgeries all outside the care of their parents. That's what Walls blessed, which is why I was angry in that particular clip at Taylor Swift. It's not her fault, but I actually think Taylor Swift probably had no idea that she just blessed this regime the three of us have just discussed. Yeah. You know, I would encourage her sit down with the D transitioners, sit down with people like Chloe Cole or Prisha Mosley that went through this, that had the doctors pushing them to take the hormones that had the doctors pushing them to have their breasts removed and sit down and hear their stories where they said, I just wish someone had said, wait a second, it's okay that you don't feel comfortable in your
Starting point is 00:27:23 body, but that doesn't mean you need to take these hormones. That doesn't mean you need to undergo these surgeries. Because when you hear those stories and you see how these kids were manipulated and pushed towards this, you would stand out and speak out against any law like what passed in Minnesota. You would say, we don't want to judge stepping in, taking custody away from parents, and putting a child on these irreversible surgeries and drugs that can do lifelong damage to them. Because as you said, Megan, once that damage is done, it can't be undone. And we're ending up with more and more stories of detransitioners speaking out and just saying, I wish someone, an adult in the room, would have just said, wait a second, pause, let's think through this. And what WALS is doing in Minnesota
Starting point is 00:28:03 with this law is fast-tracking those kids and now putting the full weight of Minnesota law and courts behind them. Imagine you now have a judge saying, yes, young girl, we're gonna get you this surgery. We're gonna get you these hormones. And how difficult it is for that child to step back from that.
Starting point is 00:28:17 But that is where we're pushing these children to. And removing the adults in the room who care most about the child, who are the parents. But Bob, you told me something interesting a couple months ago, which is in Minnesota, you can't find a therapist now who's going to explore these issues with the child and have an honest discussion about whether this is divorce related or God forbid, a sexual abuse that's coming back to haunt a young girl, which we see in a lot of these so-called trans kids. They're just dealing with problems as a result of abuse, real abuse, because they consider that now
Starting point is 00:28:57 conversion therapy. Yeah, that's a whole other discussion, a whole other show probably, but the whole conversion. And that's another euphemism, a made-up word, and it's meant to insult Christians because it's using the word conversion. And what they're actually talking about is simply therapy that what is their, what are their desires for their life? And are there things that are getting in the way and, and, and frustrating that and just having an honest, open conversation with self-directed therapy, they can't do it because it's basically, uh, we'd say one way to gay policy now on a professional, uh, counseling and therapy. Um, it, it, yeah, that's a whole other discussion. But that's the environment that's been created here in Minnesota.
Starting point is 00:29:48 And now the administration's taken steps to put teeth into enforcement of this because they know very well that many outstate county agencies are probably going to be very hesitant to go down this road and get kids permanently, medic hormone treatments and surgeries. So there's been a commission created, a new one in Minnesota that I'm just finding out more about now, but the nightmare is not over. It's getting worse. That would do what? What would they do? They would override. Yeah, they would be able to override the discretion of these county child welfare agencies that are technically a part of the state system, but are contextualized in the community they're in for the most part. And this commission would have the ability to override their discretion and enforce these
Starting point is 00:30:51 policies. So you're telling me that if a more conservative leaning or just rational county has a child and protective services person who says, I've evaluated little Sally and you know what? She confessed to me that she was the victim of a sexual assault when she was very young on some trip with some stranger. And I think that's really what's going on here. I don't think we should be aggressively intervening with this girl with cross-sex hormones and surgeries before this is explored and understood that now Minnesota is creating a commission that would remove the judgment of the child and protective services
Starting point is 00:31:30 person to just full steam ahead it with little Sally. Potentially. And it's again, yet to be seen what, you know, what all the details would be on this, but I, you know, I don't want to overstate it, but, but the fact that this commission has been created and it has the ability to intervene in this decision-making in any county in the state is very concerning. I don't even know. I mean, it's just when you think you've gotten to the full darkness, Matt, you learn something else. I don't know what to say. I don't think this is in any way the kind of policy that could pass at the federal level, no matter what Tim Walz and Kamala Harris try to do if they win. I just don't think, even with a Democrat-controlled Senate, potentially, I'm just talking worst case
Starting point is 00:32:17 scenario here, and a Democrat-controlled House, I can't imagine that this kind of thing would be passed, but I suppose we shouldn't rule anything out. But there can be influence on policies by a sitting president and vice president, state after state after state. And there are things that can be done at the federal level to make it all easier and faster and to de-stigmatize it. And I worry a lot about even that level of federal interference. Your thoughts? Yeah, I completely agree, Megan. The power of whether it's an executive order or agency action. Remember, a lot of where we're seeing gender ideology being pushed at the federal level is through these federal agencies, these bureaucrats. So whether it's the Title IX rule that's being rewritten to erase sex in federal law and replace it with gender identity, that has all come through these executive actions, through these administrative rules.
Starting point is 00:33:13 And so we have got to be on the lookout. We can't just say, well, this is only happening in Minnesota or California. These types of policies are already being pushed at the federal level. So we've got to be vigilant. We've got to educate. We've got to point out these stories. But they are popping up everywhere. I mean, even yesterday in Kentucky, Governor Beshear did an executive order on one of these so-called conversion therapy counselor censorship laws. So they're using every power that they have at the executive level to do
Starting point is 00:33:38 it. And at Alliance Defending Freedom, we're going to continue to stand against it, whether it's at the state level or the federal level. We're going to stand against these laws and stand with families and kids to protect them from these dangerous drugs and surgeries. Thank God for Alliance defending freedom. Thank God. I thank God every day for you guys. And I mean, the, like the number of things they've already done with title nine, you know, saying it's discriminatory not to let the boys into the girls' bathrooms and locker rooms, saying, and then they expanded it, saying it's now discriminatory in the workplace. It's a hostile work environment. If you don't use preferred pronouns, well, I won't. Go ahead and sue me. And what's to stop them from saying, oh,
Starting point is 00:34:20 it's discriminatory not to treat as abuse a parent's decision not to, quote, affirm and offer these, quote, life-saving gender-affirming care options like this Lee Finke has been trying to push on us. And for what it's worth, I mean, my view on Lee is Lee made some very bad life choices. And as many people do, they then want to see those choices repeated by others, and it's somehow validated to them. And this is why, in my opinion, this Lee is working so hard to pave the way to this very difficult lifestyle he's chosen for himself, for all of our children. And he's going to get his way unless we continue speaking the truth. You guys, thank you. Thank you so much to you, Bob. You've been so helpful. And you, Matt, I,
Starting point is 00:35:11 honestly, Alliance Defending Freedom is the best. And to all of you listening, if you wanted to donate to them, they can use it and it'll be put to good use. All the best guys. Thank you. Thanks, Megan. Good to be here. Oh, it's like, honestly, I wish I weren't right. I wish it's upsetting to talk about. This is so deeply wrong to my fellow women who are on the fence in this election. I know Trump can be an asshole. I know you don't like his temperament. I know January 6th was bad. You're voting for this regime that we just went through if you vote Harris-Walls. You're blessing this. You're elevating the man who did it to bigger, greater, more widespread power. I'm begging you to reconsider. Begging you.
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