The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Try Scare Tactics as Closing Message, and Why Trump is Dominating, with James Woods, Steve Hilton, and Shooter Jennings | Ep. 926

Episode Date: October 25, 2024

Megyn Kelly is joined by legendary actor James Woods of "Hear The Thunder Crack" to discuss all the ways Donald Trump is a better candidate than Kamala Harris, those on the left like Hillary Clinton comparing Trump's rally at Madison Square Garden to Hitler, the dangerous rhetoric by the left against Trump, what's on the line in 2024, why we need to "Make America America Again," how incompetent Kamala has been over the past four years, and more. Then musician Shooter Jennings joins to discuss their new collaboration album, how the lyrics are autobiographical and describe events of Woods’ life but are sung by Jennings, the story of their friendship, and more. Then Steve Hilton, host of "The Steve Hilton Show" and founder, "Golden Together," joins to discuss Kamala Harris’ real record as DA, if she's still as woke and progressive as she was in 2019, whether she used to actually be tough on crime, whether she believes anything at all, the new details of Doug Emhoff’s abuse allegations, his ex-girlfriend saying how Emhoff love-bombed her, why the media is continuing to ignore this issue and is covering it up, the fear-mongering and scare tactics from the left about Trump, the panic setting in about how Kamala could lose big, how Trump might actually win the national popular vote, and more. Woods-  https://www.jameswoods.com/Jennings- https://shooterjennings.com/Hilton- https://www.youtube.com/@stevehiltonxBirch Gold: Text MEGYN to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldHome Title Lock: https://HomeTitleLock.com and use the promo code MEGYN Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live in Los Angeles today, back at the Sirius XM studios here. Tonight I'm going to be on with Bill Maher, so I made the track Cross Country. Man, that is a long flight, isn't it? That's a long flight. And by the way, I'm sitting here with James Woods. I'm very excited that James is here with me. We got 11 days to go before the 2020 election comes to a close. And the final New York Times poll of likely voters has the race tied at 48 to 48, which is just that's not good news for her. The final New York Times poll in 2020 had Joe Biden up nine points, had Hillary up, I think, six. And now it's tied between the two of them. We've got a

lot to get to. James Woods is here along with, do you guys remember the last time he came on in July? He teased a special surprise that he'd been working on. What was it? We didn't know. Well, today we're going to find out because he's here alone first and then with musician Shooter Jennings, who we'll be bringing on soon to discuss James's new album, turn the tide on our $35 trillion national debt. And if the left wins, it's like throwing gasoline on a dumpster fire. But one thing you could consider is to protect your savings by diversifying into gold. Have you seen the numbers on gold lately? With the help of Birch Gold Group. For millennia, gold has stood firm in the face of greedy governments, economic upheavals, and global strife, and it can protect you right now.

Birch Gold will help you convert an IRA or 401k into an IRA in physical gold, tax-free and penalty-free, and it does not cost you a penny out of pocket. In the last four years, the buying power of the U.S. dollar has declined and the price of gold has increased 40%. Text MK to 989898 to get your free info kit on gold and consider Birch Gold to protect your savings and text MK to the number 989898 today. James, welcome back. Great to see you. I'm so happy to be here. You have no idea. Really? You know, I usually don't, as you know, do publicity and people say, well, you're doing Megyn Kelly. I said for the second time, because here's why. That's really important to me. You tell it straight. And I don't know why there's one half of this political divide that simply can't tell

it straight. You know, I have a card rule. When they start using euphemisms, you know you're in trouble. Why can't you just say it? You know, someone said the other day, for example, and this is a hot button issue, so I'm not going to, I'm going to just slide over it. Said, you know, can we use another word besides abortion? And it's like, well, you could if it were something else. Right. But that's what we're talking about. Self-care. Yeah, well, when they talk about reproductive rights, the one thing about an abortion that is not involved is reproduction.

It's like anti-reproduction. And by the way, that's somebody else's opinion. They're entitled to it. I understand it. I get it why many feminist women and men believe in abortion. I'm a Roman Catholic, so of course I don't. But people are allowed to have opinions in America, but you got to tell it straight. I mean, child affirming, gender affirming child care. Let me tell you, in past times in the world, and I believe in the future, and in certain countries, they not only don't

call that health care, they try and execute the people who do that to five and seven and ten and fourteen-year-old children. We did so many stories back in the day on Fox on genital mutilation that they do in portions of Islam to young girls. Yeah, Female genital mutilation. Yeah. And they never get, they will never have sexual pleasure. Obviously, that's the point. And it was horrific. We all recoiled in horror. And now it's like, yeah, sure. We'll make sure that these children can never have any sexual pleasure without even thinking about it. We'll just have Rachel Levine stand up there saying it's fine. You know, we had on Ro Khanna yesterday, a Democrat from the San Francisco region, and he seemed like a very sweet guy.

But, James, I swear I don't think he knows this stuff. I don't think a lot of the people know what they're even supporting. Well, also, they don't realize the fact that statistics are, and I didn't look this up, but my wife Sarah is a brilliant woman and she's well-read and so on. She said, you know, the statistics on transgender, transvite, whatever, whatever, whatever, trans, I'll just use their euphemism, trans children, is 41% of suicide attempts. 41% of them have suicide attempts. And when they use this gender affirming care, okay, and then they recover from the surgery and so on, or they use the puberty blockers and so on. The numbers are exactly the same.

Nothing changes. That's right. Because, you know, look, we know that there are people who are who have are at the far end of the bell curve, if you will, about their sexuality. And people are entitled to feel differently or do whatever they want in their own bedrooms and so on. But when children are involved, I think you really have to go out of your way to make sure you aren't taking what is a natural childhood inclination to be rebellious or to be curious or to act differently than you might act if you're an adult, you can't encourage it to the point where there is irreversible damage involved. And a lot of the times it's literally Munchausen by proxy with troubled parents who

behave horribly with their children's welfare. And I have to say, I always, I think I mentioned this to you last time, I always imagine what would be like if my dad, who was a war hero, my mom, who was a teacher, my brother, who was involved in politics and was a Democrat, by the way. And I went out and supported him. He was my brother. And I believed in, you know, a lot of the things he believed in, some not. I can't imagine, God rest their souls, all of them, if they were ever back for one hour. I said, let me show you the world we have today. Yeah.

What they would think. They go, well, this can't be happening. Okay. Which one of these things do you think is happening today? And that's the problem. So I know one of the things that, you know, I love when they send, well, here's some of the topics. I could just ask me anything. And Lauren, one of your staff said, you know, we were all laughing when you said, here are the topics. I said, ask me anything. I'm not a Democrat. I'm happy to answer. We like to give you a little heads up just so you can. But of course, everybody wants to hear me, you know, you know, just rip the ass off the enemy, you know, so to speak. And that's not how I think about it. They're not the enemy. OK, the people who are voting for Kamala

Harris, even though I'm not going to vote for are not my enemy. They are American citizens who've made some decisions and some choices. Thank God they're able to do that. I disagree with their choices because I disagree with her vision for America. Well, I disagree with the fact that she doesn't have a vision, first of all, and she's afraid to talk about it, too cowardly to go on the press. You weren't moved by what you heard on CNN the other night? It's just shocking. I mean, it's just shocking, but they're entitled to what they think. So I thought, yes, I'm going to say to me, the only thing I thought about was, I would say to you this, let's forget, you know, they expect me to come out here and go, you know, Kamala Harris slept her way to the middle and check boxes to the top and she never got a single

vote. She doesn't know what she's talking about and blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to say horrible things like that about Kamala Harris because it's unbecoming of me as a gentleman. So let's just throw it back in the box. Sorry, I didn't mean for that to slip out. How am I doing? How am I doing so far? But let's just say this. Let's talk about the America she wants. And let's talk about the America that Donald Trump wants. So it's this simple. If you want another 20 million illegal aliens to come across the border, unvetted, okay, unvaccinated, unaccounted for, if you love fentanyl, if you love tuberculosis, if you love cartel crime, if you love sex trafficking of children and so on, then vote for her again. You know, if you want to trafficking of children and so on, then vote for her again.

You know, if you want to secure a border, you want to secure a military, then there's somebody else you can vote for. Don't you? Are you moved by he's a fascist? He's threatening to unleash the military. Yeah. You know why I'm moved by it? Here's why. The man almost had his head blown off by a Democrat assassin. There was a second opportunity for it to happen. And here's what I can tell you. In a political election, when you say somebody's Hitler, yet another trans killer or some other demented Democrat killer is going to say, oh, I've got my walking papers. Because let me tell you something. Someone said, I can take you on a time machine and I can put you back in Nazi Germany.

And here's a gun and you can kill Hitler and save millions of lives. I think it's a moral obligation to do it. And there's some crazy Democrat in some mother's basement somewhere wearing a tutu, loading up a rifle saying, you know what, this guy's Hitler. Kamala Harris just told me that.

I can't say it's not possible. We've seen it too many times now. They're engineering it. They're engineering another assassination, and it's absolutely reprehensible. They've completely abandoned all the, well, we really need to tone down the rhetoric after Trump nearly got his head blown off. Listen to Hillary Clinton. You know, Trump is making a speech next week at Madison Square Garden.

That's his closing argument. Oh, yeah, she's already called it the Nazi rally. Yeah, take a listen to Hillary Clinton. You know, Trump is making a speech next week at Madison Square Garden. That's his closing argument. Oh, yeah, she already called it the Nazi rally. Yeah, take a listen to Hillary Clinton. And, you know, one other thing that you'll see next week, Caitlin, is Trump actually reenacting the Madison Square Garden rally in 1939. I write about this in my book. President Franklin Roosevelt was appalled that neo-Nazis, fascists in America were lining up to essentially pledge their support for the kind of government that they were seeing in Germany. So I don't think we can ignore it. And they won't. I'll give you one more. Steve Colbert doubling down on the same messaging. It's just a coincidence. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that in 1939, they held a pro-Nazi

rally there. Yeah. It was a stain on MSG's history. Last night, Anderson Cooper asked Kamala Harris point blank what she thought. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do. Bam. Thank you. Kamala Harris is not afraid. No hesitation. OK, that last guy literally said, and I'm quoting him, literally called Donald Trump Putin's cock holster. Okay. So after two years of a complete and utter hoax, wasting America's time and tax money. Trying to ruin his first administration. And went a long way to do it. People like this spew the mantra of the DNC. They all say the same thing. They don't even bother to change the words.

And they're trying to destroy it again. They're so desperate now. They're going to start talking about Nazi rallies. And they all say the same thing. It's embarrassing. They were wrong then. Five people have been censured in the House of Representatives. One of them was the officially censured liar, Adam Schiff, who promoted the hoax along with his fluffers like these two clowns that you just

showed us. And they are. They're just acting like clowns at a Nazi rally and so on. Let's talk about those visions that these people have. OK, you want to talk about, you want to talk about a threat to democracy. Let's get a candidate who's never had a single vote. Let's just perform a coup d'etat on a walking corpse who spends his time on the Delaware beach, but is nonetheless still the rightfully elected possibly president of the United States, and we'll just throw him under the bus, and we'll shoehorn in a completely unqualified, unelected, unnominated candidate, who I suppose they used lawfare somehow to squeeze around the edges of the reality, who's talking about, well, let's have reparations, for example, coming from a family of slave owners.

And I say this coming from a family that fought in the American Revolution. OK, so I think I have probably a pretty good, valid position to be able to say that, you know, a person descended from a family of slave owners really doesn't need to tell me that I owe reparations to people who were, in fact, never slaves. And I certainly never owned them myself. So, I mean, here's what they do. It's the Saul Alinsky trick. Whatever it is you're guilty of, we're going to blame you. I mean, and you can feel it coming.

When they came out and they said, you know, J.D. Vance, Pulitzer Prize winner, Yale graduate, United States senator, Army hero. That guy's weird. I don't know what's weird about that. But, OK, weird, weird, weird. The same collection of clowns pontificating the same talking points. I went, why are they saying this? And boom, up pops Tim Walsh, the weirdest candidate that has ever run for any office ever. He was ripping on, I guess, was it Trump or J.D. for dancing around the stage the other night?

This mincing Muppet. Hello? This mincing meat puppet, Tim Wall. Tampon Tim. Who was it, Steve? Come on, are you crazy? Who was it, Steve? It was Elon Musk.

Thank you, Steve Krakauer. It was Elon Musk. He was like, Tim Wall is saying Elon Musk is weird because of the way he dances around on the stage. Oh my gosh. I mean, Elon Musk, who literally, you know, sent a rocket into space and was able to retrieve it. I've spent probably, we all collectively have spent billions and billions and billions of dollars in NASA, and they weren't able to do that. And meanwhile, Tim Walz says he doesn't know what a venture capitalist does. So it's like there's a gap there.

But can I just say something on the Madison Square Garden thing? So Trump is from New York. Trump grew up in New York. It's his hometown. You know, like they're acting like appearing at Madison Square Garden has never been done from the Nazi rally. I've been there many times to watch Knicks games. It's very fun. You know that Hitler was man of the year for Time magazine, right?

Right. Okay. Hitler, Adolf Hitler, the real Adolf Hitler, was man of the year for Time magazine. Now Time magazine is always, you know, degrading Trump and so on. Look, here's the problem. Here's the problem with having Trump as a candidate for these people. They're all pigs at the same trough. One wears a red tie, one wears a blue tie. We have a problem in this country. And you know what it is?

We need term limits. And we need to have a law that you cannot invest in any stock while you are a member of the United States government. And we need Elon Musk to go in there as a cabinet member for Donald Trump and gut this federal bloated hog of a bureaucracy by 75%. When I was going through TSA, all I could think was we need Elon Musk. We need him to cut down the size of government in every department. Like he was saying at an event I was out here the last time and he was saying, have you ever been in the post office? Think of that at scale. That's the U.S. government. That's what the Democrats want more of. That's what Trump and Elon are going to do to try to reduce the size of that behemoth. We want less of those bureaucrats who really don't know what they're doing.

Except I have to say one thing about the post office, because I think that the people who work the ground level and i say that as a compliment because i worked in a factory when i was a kid my mom worked in a munitions factory during world war two so on i i love them i love my postman happens to be a postman and my postwoman when she shows up even my post transgender wherever he or she is okay know, it's the bureaucrats who run these places. Rachel Levine. We actually were, we had people wagging their fingers at us during the COVID epidemic.

I'm sorry, it's some fat guy in a dress masquerading as an admin with his nuts hanging down below his hem telling me about, you know,

proper health. I'm sorry, you're lecturing me on health? Get a jockstrap. I promised I wouldn't do this. I promised my wife I wouldn't do this. I take it all back. Sorry, Richard. Rachel. Sorry, Richard. Sorry, Admiral. And then he wants to tell us how he's the first female this and he's the first female that. You know, when I was climbing the female mountain, I looked over compliment you on something, man. I'll never forget that first that first debate. And you ripped Donald Trump's ass in half. Oh, boy. And rightfully so, because I've talked to him. He knows it was a mistake the way he talked in that trailer. And I'm see I'm able to do this. They won't say anything's wrong with Kamala. I love Donald Trump, man. I'm voting for this guy.

I just think we need him. I don't want to even make America great again. I just want to make America, America again, please. That is so true. Just make America, America again, please. It's not MAGA, it's MA. Yeah, please. But you know, you did it.

And now I understand you're supporting Trump because nobody's perfect. You know, the spray tan and the hair and all that stuff. But let me tell you something. The Abraham Accords changing, you know, standing for Israel, standing up against Islamic terrorism. We are... Keeping us out of war. Listen, we are literally standing on the edge of our toes, on the abyss, looking into the bowels of hell in this election.

This woman gets elected and we are going to be in a nuclear war. I've literally heard some of these liberal college, well, you know, limited nuclear war. It's like, do you know anything about nuclear war? They know nothing about nuclear war is like, do you know anything about nuclear war? They know nothing about limited nuclear war. My stepfather, believe it or not, I had the strangest background. My father was on Okinawa in the Seabees. OK, had fought, had two Purple Hearts, about to go into the invasion of Japan. My stepfather, my father died when I was 12, God rest his soul.

Eight years later, my mom married Tom, my stepfather. And he was one of the first Army photographers into Hiroshima. And he had some film that he had that I saw. You cannot imagine what nuclear war is like. You can't imagine what nuclear war is like. Somebody like Putin smells weakness. And like an animal, they can smell it from afar. Of course.

You don't have to be a genius. He was the head of the KGB. He can figure out weakness. Right. Let animal, they can smell it from afar. Of course. You don't have to be a genius. He was ahead of the KGB. He can figure out weakness. Let me tell you something. I'm already off the edge of the cliff. That's right. Sarah will forgive you. I'm seeing this cackling nincompoop sitting down with Putin. I mean, and Tim Walz prancing around in the background. No, it's terrifying. I mean, it's so ludicrous. You don't know it's ludicrous? I have sat across from Vladimir Putin multiple times, many times. This guy's a killer, man.

But by the way, he's... But let me tell you something. Like, he will eat her alive. He will have seen through her a mile coming. Her little cackle and her weird word salads to buy time with him. There's only so much she can script out a meeting like that. It's really frightening. And I'm afraid that, you know, there's an old expression,

once you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube, it's hard to get it back in. It's interesting. Have you ever been to Las Vegas? Of course, yeah. Okay, Las Vegas was built on a 1% edge, basically. Those casinos... 1% edge, basically. Those casinos. 1% edge? In other words, if you play blackjack and you play it perfectly, I don't mean count or do anything else. I think their edge is something like 0.68%.

That's the house's edge. In fact, they dropped 32%, which is almost, you know, it's about, you know, it's an astonishingly bigger number than what the odds really are because people just play badly. But the bottom line is the biggest decision they made in Las Vegas when the mob took over Vegas and so on. And then they said, look, the smart thing is let's not cheat. Because if you cheat, if people go in and they get cheated, they're just not going to go back. We already have the edge. They built that entire city on an edge, mathematical edge of all the games that they spread of basically less than 1% on the average. It only needs 1% to tip it.

Donald Trump won the 2016 election by 10,000 votes in Wisconsin. All they got to do is have a car show up with a trunk full of ballots. And I'm not saying that they cheated in the election. I'm not saying that. You're scared about this time? That's a separate issue. Let me just say this. Only 25%, I think it is, membership of the NRA is registered to vote. You're worried about gun rights. Get out and vote. No, what about Catholics? Catholics, get out and vote.

Some 30 million Catholics who are not registered to vote who could tip this thing in an instant. So just get out there and vote on their principles. If you get over the edge, look at California. I said, don't we have the death penalty in California? We have the death penalty. Yeah, but Gavin Newsom is not going to support it. He has a mandate. I'm sorry. We voted for that. That is the law of the state. How does he just get to cherry pick which laws he wants to enforce. How is that even possible? You don't get to pick, you know, pick,

okay, great, then I'm not gonna, you know, I guess I'll just carry a bazooka around in Chicago. I mean, of course, I'm not gonna do that. No, but this is how we wound up with- I mean, how do you get to pick and choose what the laws are? That's why we have over 10 million illegals under Joe Biden. He just chose not to enforce the border laws.

Yeah, 10 million, I'm sorry, let me correct you. 10 million that we know of. I mean, quote documented that the Border Patrol has counted 10.4 million. Wait, I just want to bring you this breaking news. OK, is this I'm this is coming to me as we're sitting here. Am I reading this correctly? Because I'm reading my producer's note that The Washington Post has chosen not to endorse a candidate. Yes. Yes. Wow. Yeah. WAPO publisher William Lewis and chief executive officer of the Washington Post. The Washington Post will not be making an endorsement of a presidential candidate in this election following on the heels of the LA Times doing the same,

nor in any future presidential election. We're returning to our roots of not endorsing presidential candidates. Just in the nick of time. Wow. Wow. What a shocker. They, of course, they've been endorsing, I mean, all Democrats, just looking back, of course, it was Biden, Clinton, Obama, Obama, Kerry, Al Gore. They've endorsed every Democrat for president of the last 50 years, except Dukakis in 1988. So Stephen L. Miller, he comes on the show, he tweets out, Kamala Harris, he's Hitler, Washington Post. Yeah, we've thought about it. No, we're still not going to endorse you over Hitler. Sorry. So this is actually really interesting because they're- We're not going to endorse you over Hitler.

Yeah, but we totally believe you. He's definitely Hitler. He's Hitler, sure, but no. But this same thing is happening right now where we are in LA.A. The L.A. Times for the first time in years did not endorse a candidate. And it was because the owner, who seems to be a more middle of the road guy, said we're not doing that. And now you've had like the top person in the editorial board resign saying it's too important. As if the people in California don't understand how the L.A. Times editorial board feels about Donald Trump. It was either that or his butt plug fell out. I mean, I'm sorry. You know, these guys, I'm so sick of them.

Oh, I'm going to go off in a hissy fit. Great. Halloween's coming up. Get ready to put on your Tina Turner outfit and go down Santa Monica Boulevard. Well, let me tell you something. Who's going to hire this woman? Because newspapers are dying. She should have been happy to have a job.

She's been working there for the past 10 years or so. It's ridiculous. Good luck finding another job. Yeah. So she left in a hussy, and now we'll see what happens at the Washington Post. When the rats start deserting the sinking ship, you know you're in trouble.

They're deserting. It's happening. I mean, they're really, because they don't want to be like, oh my God, I mean, they don't want to have to, they don't want to have,

for their historical posterity, the fact that they literally endorsed this clown show. It's a clown show. You can tell. I mean, by the way, you have a right to vote for whomever you want. Thank God we're in America. And there may be, look, I know that, you know, women have very, very strong feeling about certain issues. I'm not going to call them reproductive rights because that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about abortion, you know, and so on.

Abortion is legal in California. So I don't know what they're upset about. It's a state's right issue in many states, surprisingly, even Ohio, you know, say, yes, we're going to have abortion. Kamala Harris cannot help you. If you are an abortion voter, she cannot help you. It is now back in the States. You need to think about who you vote in, in your state legislature, in your state gubernatorial races. She cannot help you any longer. That fight is done at the federal government. But if you have a daughter who wants to cut her breasts off at 14 years old because somebody in her class told her that, you know, she really is a boy and so on, Kamala Harris will be right there and hand you the scalpel. One hundred percent. One,000%. So I like your attitude.

I feel the same as you do. I don't totally understand why you'd vote for Kamala Harris. I really don't quite get it. I don't think the Americans who do it are evil. I do have a real problem with a lot of our leaders who pass these insane policies, and then we have to live with them, and they don't fully research what they're doing to us, or they do, and they don't care. But I don't feel the way John Meacham feels. John Meacham, who is this famed writer and historian who goes on Morning Joe every day, every other day, MSNBC, who's supposed to be like sort of one of those big, you know, godfathers of voices in America who's going to like set us

straight when we're going astray. Oh, thank God. Listen to his his take on what America is about to do. Even he can see it coming. The American people are on trial. And if we choose, if a sufficient number of us in a sufficient number of states choose to ignore the evidence that, as the Bible says, those with eyes to see and ears to hear can detect, then there's no, we have no excuse. And we deserve what we get. We're on trial, you see, in this election. And presumably we are guilty if we vote the wrong way. Well, here's what he said. If the Bible gives us the eyes to see and ears to hear, as we used to say at MIT, these things are blatantly obvious to the most casual observer. Okay. I have ears to hear. I can hear her cackle her way through an answer. What do you think about X, Y, or Z? Well, the

reason I don't have a position on that is I like to analyze things. I'm quoting Kamala Harris now. I like to analyze things. I like to take time. I like to research the fact. I'm not going to give a clear answer. First of all, she's not going to give a clear answer. She doesn't have a clear answer. She's woefully unprepared. And as my beloved, brilliant wife always said, she is also willfully ignorant. You have two choices. You're voting for Kamala Harris, okay? You're either genuinely stupid, I'm sorry, but it's true, or you are willfully ignorant. You cannot listen to this person who doesn't have the courage to go before the press. Donald Trump goes before the press a thousand hours a week and lets them eviscerate him and comes back with an answer and goes to McDonald's and serves and just kills him with

a meme. You know, she doesn't do it. What are we going to do when Putin's ballistic missiles are coming over the North Pole and Kamala Harris is in the White House going cackle, cackle. Let me look up the research on this and I'll get back to you. The audience. Come on. They know. I mean, they know they can tell there is here's OK here to Steve Kracar pulled this this morning about women in the final New York times. Well, as I've told you, it's tied 48, 48, which is bad for her because Biden was ahead of Trump by nine points when he beat him last time, which was only by about 70,000 votes. And he was pulling up nine points over her.

So she's tied right now. What does that tell you? So Trump's up 12 points with men. He was up six in the 2020 poll. So that's better for him. Kamala's up 14 points with women. In 2020, Biden was up 23 points with women. And there's an interesting interview with a woman, 27 years old in Georgia, who voted for Biden in 2020, but she's going for Trump this time in the Times. Quote, I was very extremely disappointed in her response to the immigration issue.

And when she was first elected, that was one of the things that she was tasked with handling and And she accepted the responsibility. And then every time she's been asked about it or pressed about it, it's just attitude giving in return. Well, here's what she says about it, basically. When on day one, I'm going to close that border. And I want to say, sweetie, you've been the de facto president of the United States for the past four years while the husk is out there at the beach sitting in the sunshine talking about the glory days with corn pop. I'm sorry. You are, you know, been president. So see, you know, we've had 1,400 day ones. I got a great idea for you, Kamala.

Madam Vice President, since you're in charge right now, it's day one. Right now. It's 928 on the East Coast. Get down there and do your job and close the border. Do it. Oh, I can't. I got to think about it a little more. I got to have a policy meeting.

Yeah, I got to have a policy meeting. Oh, yeah. Let's do that. I'm a nerd. Okay. She's had day one for 1,400 miserable days. Here's the good news. Here's the good news.

Both these candidates have shown us their stuff. Donald Trump was president of the United States for four years. Kamala Harris has been our de facto leader for four years. She's certainly been the border czar for the entire four years. Which way do you like it? An actual border like other countries have, or this slop basin that the bottom half of our country has become? You know the only time the Democrats finally woke up when Greg Abbott, God bless him, said, you know what? Let's let you guys see what it's actually like because your sanctuary city, Martha's Vineyard,

Jesus Christ, I'm surprised they didn't have machine gun turrets. That one was DeSantis, I think. Man, they swept their asses right off that island. Yes, they were like, let me introduce you to the glories of Greyhound. Yeah, you betcha. I think you're going to love it. It's beautiful. You get to change the seasons up there.

Oh, my God. Martha's Vineyard got a beautiful water view. Can I do this show just every day? Yes. Every single day, can I come back? Come co-host it with me. All right, stand by. Make it a gym. Gym with me.

I am going to take a break because we have Shooter Jennings here, too. Oh, yeah, the best. You may not. You're here to promote something. I appreciate you just talking news. Well, I think I'm hoping what you're going to do is listen to what we did with this album a little bit and just let us talk authentically about what we've done. All right. So we have to take a break.

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Back to the Megyn Kelly show. James Woods is back with me now. And also musician Shooter Jennings is here as well. These guys have been working together on the autobiographical album, Hear the Thunder Crack. All right. So I love how you met. And first of all, thank you for the restaurant recommendation on where this all went down. So explain how it happened. You've never been to Dantanas? How could you not have been to Dantanas?

I'm not cool. I basically stay home. Oh my God, you're the most uncool person on the face of the earth. I'm sorry, but it's true. You should have gotten the main nanny. But anyway, that's a reference we'll have to explain later.

Commercial discussion. Yeah, I mean, look, we talk about it on YouTube. Basically, sarah and i we're just totally weird we go to dan santa's the minute it opens first of all dan and i have been friends for a million years we used to play golf every day he's the sweetest guy he went back to serbia now to retire sonia took it over and every day i go at five o'clock with Sarah because nobody's there. It's just packed later. So I love it. Doug and I would have dinner with you guys at 5 o'clock. Totally. We would totally do it.

Anybody with kids is on board with this plan. It's perfect. We go there, sit in there. My picture's on the wall. I'm a menu item. You're famous. It's pathetic. I'm like Don Rickles or Joey Bishop. I'm Veal Florentina. It's absurd. It's almost embarrassing. I love that you are the politically incorrect meat. It's perfect. I'm perfect. Ohorentina. It's absurd. It's almost embarrassing.

I love that you are the politically incorrect meat. It's perfect. I'm perfect. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course, Veal. And we're sitting there one day. We look over and speaking of hot blondes, there's this ridiculously hot blonde. And this I see from the back, this like guy, cool guy, cool, obviously cool like he is now. Uber cool. And we're, you know, checking them out and doing what you do at five o'clock i'm thinking okay the question was are they just getting up and coming for breakfast and while we're looking misty as it turns out goes oh my god jumps up comes over she goes my husband loves you. Shoot her.

And he's shy. He comes over. Hey, how you doing? I go, hi. I said, I'm sorry we were staring. I mean, I'll be honest. We were staring because Misty's really a package. She's used to it.

And Sarah and I will look and say, look, man, she is like Anna Nicole Smith. By the way, one of their dogs is named Anna Nicole. We've since become incredibly close friends, the four of us. We're the Columbo Four. Another thing we have to explain. At any rate, they come over. We start talking. And I, because I'm an idiot, say, so we were trying to figure out, like, music or, you know, movies, music. And he said, my wife, Misty, so I mean, Misty is Jennings.

And I'm Shooter Jennings. I go, oh, yeah, music. I said,er Jennings. I go, oh, yeah, music. I said, rock and roll. Or he said, well, you know, more country-ish, but everything I produce. I said, oh, I said, oh, yeah, country, Jennings. You know, there was a whale in Jennings. Oh, no.

Yeah, my father. I go, yeah, I knew that. I mean, here's his heritage. Why is he called Shooter Jennings? Because? I peed on the nurse. No, really? Yeah, but wait a minute.

Peed on the nurse. His father, who were the two guys when his mother, Jessie Coulter, country outlaw, had him? Who were the two guys in the room? Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash. So he leaves that part out. And then he pees on the nurse. Was it Johnny? No, Johnny wasn't there when I was born.

That was later. But it was my dad. And he said, oh, the kid's a shooter. That's spectacular. So everybody thinks I'm like a tough guy or something. So you start talking to James Woods in this restaurant, D'Antanas, right? Okay, I'll get cooler. If they don't buy me a free meal after all these flights,

we should never sign a check again. And you start to talk about, like, then there are the possibility of a collaboration? No, you know what? That's for Shooter. Let him talk. Listen, man. But I know you have to talk. Yeah, that's right.

No, no, you know, like, it didn't start immediately. First of all, like, growing up, like, you know, I loved every movie that he was in, right? I mean, I remember The Hard Way was like one of the first R-rated movies I saw when I was young, you know. Sorry. Hey, you know, the age gap gets smaller when you get older. But he, you know, when I was young, it was just like Videodrome and these movies like that were just massive for me, you know. So I was always just a follower of his. I loved his films, you know, so so here we are meeting and we just started talking about all kinds of stuff.

Like I'm a nut for old Hollywood. I'm not for like Charles Bukowski. I'm not for all this kind of like Hollywood stories in the 30s and all this. And we just kind of instantly fell into these conversations. And then it was just pretty quick that he just revealed that he played guitar and that he was playing around with the guitar. And, and by this time he had told us like 50,000 amazing stories by the third or fourth time we'd been to dinner. And they, and I was like, you got to write this down somehow. You know, that's what, that was what my initial thought was. But then he started writing these, these, these like long poet poetic pieces. And then I just started playing around with them and turning them into

music and then it just kept standing okay because i like this part of the story so then he says to you why maybe you could shoot me some lyrics like you write something down and shoot it to me what and you're you're excited you're like oh my god okay shooter jennings is asking me to write some music wow but so i go home and I don't know why, but his wife's name is Misty. And it was just in my mind. And I lived in Laurel Canyon when I was young, young actor.

And, you know, it was back then before the internet, before any of this stuff, people just hung out. And Laurel Canyon was this kind of cool place, you know? I mean, it was right after the Manson killing. So there was also kind of creepy and all this stuff. And I remember one day I got up on my little deck I mean, it was right after the Manson killing, so there was also kind of creepy and all this stuff. And I remember one day I got up on my little deck of my little house, and it was very foggy. And I thought, oh, man, just don't let the sun break through yet.

You know, just, you know, just let me take a breather before the day starts. And so I thought the first word I ever wrote as a musician was misty and misty morning. You know, when the sun in early morning dies in sorrow and quietly fades before they once more on us, before the world invades. And then I just kept writing and I sent it to him and didn't hear anything for like a month. I said, sir, I sent lyrics to Shooter Jennings. He's got three Grammys. I am such a jerk. I'm so humiliated.

I'm just, I'm just honest to God. I was like, literally had my tail between my legs. And then I'm walking one day in the living room

and I, was it like an MP3 file? Yeah. And I touch it and I go, go all right i've been smoking all day and my voice is shit but uh i'm just gonna tinkle this here on the piano it's kind of a stream of consciousness james i hope you i hope you don't mind but just you know just like a little demo here uh i don't know man i hope you like it boom, David Foster said, this guy's an unbelievable composer. And he wanted to buy the song for Josh Groban right away.

Wow. And I said, well, you know, I'm never leaving Shooter. But for those four minutes, it was literally the turning point of my life. And in the intro of our album, I talk about F. Scott Fitzgerald saying that there are no second acts in American lives. But at that moment was when the second act of my life changed. Well, the real second act was when I found Sarah. And Sarah and I got married in Arizona. I love your love for her.

Yeah. And you know who our officiant was? Who? I married him. What? He married us legally. He married us. Wait, when? He became a minister to marry us. Recently? Yeah. Were you not married to Sarah when I saw you in July? Wait, when did you get married? Yeah, we've been married for a couple years. Oh,

okay. And we all have this Columba session, and he wrote the most wonderful vows. And at the end of it, she was dressed as Priscilla Presley. She played, you know, God Only Knows was her wedding. And we were out there with the cactus. It was so beautiful. And he did this whole thing, and it was great. And, you know, I've now pronounced you man and wife. And so we started to walk away.

And he said, oh, one more thing. You may kiss the bride. For anyone who knows what Columbo is, that's what he would always say. Oh, that's thing. You may kiss the bride. For anyone who knows what Columbo is, that's what he would always say. Oh, that's right. You have to know that. You have to know that he would always say, oh, just one more thing.

Yeah, one more thing, and then he'd catch the bad guy. It is funny. It seems like Columbo's too soon for you, Shooter. No, I used to watch it with my dad. He loved it, and we used to watch it whenever it would come on. And so I've watched every episode. That guy would never get a TV show today.

He's such a weird looking dude, but he was perfect for that role. Yeah, he was so great. But he's such a good actor. Had like the one eye over there. But he was just right for it. All right, so when you got the lyrics, were you genuinely impressed or were you like, oh, I kind of said I'm going to have to do something. Now it's James Woods. No, no no i don't ever usually do that you know i know i don't go down the road if it's

not something i feel is real you know but but with this i i i just when i read those you know what i noticed is okay he's not there's no choruses or anything any of this it's not like a normal song you know it's kind of like this this poetic. And so I just kind of, when I'm reading it to myself, it kind of reminded me of the cadence and phrasings of like modern Bob Dylan records, like the more modern things, like Tempest and all that. Well, I mean, it's just like I could hear the words flowing the way that he, I don't know if you guys have ever listened

to like Tempest or Rough and Rowdy Ways ways he's got a song called i can tell i contain multitudes but it's like a really interesting uh lyrically the way he kind of weaves things even that murder most foul that 16 minute long jfk assassination song it's like very i mean he's won a nobel prize for his writing and he didn't show up they couldn't even. And he didn't show up. He didn't show up. That's even cooler. He didn't show up. Even cooler, though. So cool.

He barely registered that I won it. He's my favorite. So we have a sample. I don't think we have Misty Morning. We have Hollywood Kills Everything. Yeah, wait till you hear the sax on this. Okay, we got to play that because just the title alone is fantastic. I feel like I get it.

Let's listen to a little of Sot 2. I mean, I'm kind of imitating Dylan there. It's working. It's working. Like a paper tree, Hollywood kills everything. Oh, such a cool vibe. And by the way, that photograph was taken by Sarah. She did all the photography on the album. Is that right?

Of Megan? Dare I say, you sound even better than Dylan today. Oh, you can't say that. That's blasphemy. I know, it is blasphemy. I love his voice. It's a very cool vibe on there. So you guys get in the studio at some point and your heart must have been a flutter, James.

Well, first of all, the process is weird. I wrote every word on this album. Shooter composed every note and sings it. You go in the studio and I'm thinking this is where making an album sort of my life my words put to music have you ever been in the studio professional musician he plays the demo on the piano i can't remember plays the piano i don't think i have they sit there with a piece of paper and you know you know they just put numbers down because it's like you know the number one chord the four chords of five the five chord diminished, whatever, or flat, whatever.

They do all that. And they play the song out of nowhere. They hear it once. It's like, what? Yeah. How do you do that? Well, here's the thing, though. I brought all the lyrics, which nobody ever does.

They just let these guys play. And I said, here's the story behind this. And the crux of this story, there's a lyric in here where it said, Hello, the starlet said with ISO baby blue. Give it to me, big boy. You know that I love you. You jump into her cold dead heart. You can hardly wait. Give me all your money, honey.

Heartbreak is your personal fate. Okay? So it's really about kind of what our business is. But there was also the story, and I'm going to do the whole lyric, the little girl jumped from the sign. It was like a lighthouse from the shoal and so on. It was the Peg and Whistle story. Peg and Whistle jumped off the Hollywood sign and committed suicide because her career was essentially over and didn't know that there was a telegram at her house. She had just gotten a big role in an MGM movie. And yes, it's a heartbreaking kind of jazzy story and so on.

I mean, it's, you know, it's what I say. They don't, here they don't, it's a swamp of creatures vile. They don't gut you with a rusty, they don't gut you with a rusty blade. They do it with a smile and so on. And he. In news, they use the rusty blade. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, but think about what he had to do.

He gets these complex, weird lyrics, you know, and it's like he's now got to fold them into music. Right. It's not like they write the music, do what I did. Did you have to talk to Jimmy about this? Like what is the vision? He's a magic box. You just go with it on your own.

I send the music and a year later it comes back or two days. One day he wrote three songs. He composed three songs. I wrote 35 songs in three weeks. Oh, my goodness. He composed three of them in one day. And it took us four years to do the album. I go, Sarah, the shooter hates me.

She goes, no, he's busy. He's a Grammy award. He's on the road with Brandi Carlile. He's with Mansonson maryland man you know come on he's working i go he hates me no he doesn't hate you it's great to know you have these same insecurities that the rest of us have yeah so i wrote a song called wallum lake which was for my father we used to go fishing in wallum lake which is my you know when the world stops spinning and time at last stands still when in a moment you are gone

will i hear the whippoorwill because he used to when i was little we'd go fishing together and he'd whistle like the whippoorwill whippoorwill and the whippoorwill would answer back i just thought that was like the most amazing thing because i was eight years old, you know. And then I always, when I go fishing, I always kind of listen for the Whippoorwill. And there's a great moment at the end of the story, which now this old man is sitting on the lake. And, you know, on a cold, gray day. And, you know, the light breaks through.

And I need not ask, nor be told. The presence now of you. And from an evening star comes this beautiful whippoorwill and i know he's singing to me wow that is gorgeous he gave you a lot to work with there shooter i let me get one other uh track in because i think the audience will enjoy it road back song this is sat three baby. Let's listen. Like a diamond boiled into the brain Great line to start. It's with you, my son

I share this refrain And when you're lost in sorrow And life is wracked with pain Don't wait Until tomorrow To find Your peace again When you feel

In your heart You're about to cry Jump on that highway It's good advice in there as well as being catchy. Shooter, was he easy to work with? Did he want the words to remain all the same? Did you say, well, that doesn't rhyme? No, no, I wanted them to stay the same. I made a lot of edits like but not not

to his words like he would really just give me more material than i than i needed really or and i would kind of pick the stuff that spoke to me and and really kind of put that together but i didn't want to i didn't want to change it you know i thought this is a really unique project i don't i didn't really i haven't put out a record of my own and since 2018 I've moved to fully producing records You know, so like when this came along like doing putting another album out wasn't even really in my I wasn't even interested in it But when this when this started to happen and then it started to work and I saw what it was I go this is really interesting like this is I've never heard of anyone actually doing this where it's really his words and his life story It's his perspective you know and i and i was kind of explaining to him why his name had to be first on this record

to me was because otherwise no one was going to understand what it was like they did they would have to like i said there's a line where he talks about his mom passing away and it's like my mom's alive like you know that was the point where you're like i can't this isn't me this is him but i'm singing it yeah you know so it was really really interesting it took us a while to figure out how to present it you know and really the title came from him he was sitting there in my studio and and we were trying to think of like what to call it and he said you know he popped out of his seat he goes i got it he's like here's the thundercrack the life of james wood sung by shooter jennings and i go well there you go now people understand exactly what it is. What a memoir.

What a great memoir. In the hands of, I'm telling you, don't be all modest and fishy. In the hands of a musical genius. A musical genius, a wonderful father and husband, a fantastic friend. He has literally shown me the road back. I mean, I don't want to overstep my lane, but someone could make a movie out of this friendship relationship. Well, they're working on a Whalen Jennings movie first.

Well, this could be part due. You guys, congrats. What a great idea. I love that you did this. All right, so wait. Say the name again because it's a long one hear the thunder crack hear the thunder crack and you can find out where it is on apple on spotify and by going to jameswoods.com very important no space all lowercase jameswoods.com and you can click we'll be right back thank you guys all right first of all james gave jimmy i'm allowed

to call him jimmy now i feel very cool gave me this jacket which i have to say is amazing look it it says um here the thundercrack on the the front which is the name of their album and then you got to see the back i'm kind of tethered to this seat but i'm going to try look at the ah hold on i gotta untether for a second okay there can There. Can you see it? What does it say? Read it out loud, Steve Hilton. Here, the Thundercrack, the life of James Woods sung by Shooter Jennings. Very cool. Fantastic. I mean, I love my new jacket. I didn't expect to get swag, but swag I have. Okay. Hold on. Now I got to plug back in. You guys are going to have to. Yeah. And I'm very jealous. Where's mine? I don't know. I lost my cord it's somewhere there it's in my pants okay there i'm back steve

hilton's here i'm very excited yeah but with no jacket i'm sorry you gotta know jimmy i'm sorry i do know him actually he's so great he's the best we've done a couple of events together here in la he's so great but no jacket you. Not everyone gets them. Exactly. Anyway, I'm thrilled to have Steve. We've been talking forever and been trying to get him on. He's a well-known conservative voice trying to fight the good fight here in California. And that is just so hard. So is James.

I mean, it's just, it's impossible out here. Every time I come out here, Steve, I'm like, so pretty. I love how everything's sort of got this Art Deco feel and the weather. And then you see people like two out of three still masked. And you say, I got to get home immediately. On their own, walking down the street outdoors. Literally. It's unbelievable. Today. It's insane.

What? Why? Every time I think that, and I think, you know, I'm kind of, you know, we believe in freedom and people should do their own thing. And I don't want to judge, but really. I judge. I mean, what is going on? I truly don't understand. And part of me, I see that. And I think, you know, I'm trying to be, you know, kind about it. Maybe this is, you know, they have a cold and they don't give it to others. Like in Japan, that's the tradition. You're walking into a cancer wing of a hospital. Sure. It's insane. I mean, I totally, but it's so interesting because it's part of the whole problem here, which is the ideology just takes over any kind of reality or practicality.

And they hear the stuff and believe it. It's crazy. Amazing. All right. But California, I mean, I remember the days when we had Republican governors out here. Yes. Schwarzenegger, among others. It's gone far left. I mean, every literally every elected position is held by a Democrat now. But I am I crazy to think there's a little hope. I'm thinking about how they kicked out those school board members in San Francisco. They kicked out that lunatic D.A. Chesa Boudin. They now have this ballot proposition here. Prop 36, which is something you and I like, yes? Very much. It's saying, let's make crime crime again. Yeah, and not just you and I. Latest poll, 73% yes on that. So it's saying it's going to allow felony charges and prison sentences for certain drug and retail crimes that were dismissed down to misdemeanors

under previous regimes. So it's really reversing a lot of the real damage that was done by the notorious Prop 47. Okay. That was 2014. Kamala Harris was the state AG. And that's the one that basically legalized theft up to $950 per day, every single day. Every day.

It's amazing. Still a misdemeanor. And so, and that wasn't the only thing, but that was the heart of it. So that drove all of what you see in the explosion of retail theft and then the associated drug crime and all the rest of it, right? The chaos on the streets. And so this is not totally reversing it, but doing a lot to rein in. But the new thing it's adding is tough penalties for fentanyl, including a murder charge for dealers of fentanyl. So I was just talking to a DA, a Democrat DA in Ventura County, just up the road. And he was saying that their fentanyl arrests have gone up in just in the last five years, 4000%. It's gone from basically nothing to a

huge part of the crime problem. And so finally, they're going to get the chance to charge that accordingly. That's horrifying. But it's amazing that you've got this overwhelming support. So to me, that is a sign that things are changing. Yes. The other big one. Even these mask wearers must be in favor of it. Right. And here in LA, in a way, the bigger one, because it's such a, if you just look at the voting numbers, it's a very Democrat county. George Gascon, the DA, obviously in the news for the Menendez thing, he's going down. I mean, he's down by 30 points in the latest poll. By the way, I want to tell the audience, we have Mark Garagos coming on after Steve. It's not going

to be in this show that's airing right now. We're going to drop it, I don't know, later today or tomorrow morning, but he'll be here tomorrow morning. He's he's the Menendez lawyer. Right. And so we'll be getting deep into that, but that's a crazy case. I'm very interested. But wait, I want to tell you something about the prop 36. So Kamala Harris was asked about this. Yes. Um, and it took long enough, right? They, they pummeled Trump over the head with that abortion, um, measure in Florida early on. Like, do you support it? Six weeks. Is it too long? Is it too short? Finally, somebody got around to asking Kamala Harris, are you going to, you're a Californian, you get to vote. Are you going to vote yes on this Prop 36 that has the support of over 70% of Californians? And as usual, she took a really

strong stance and she was totally perfectly articulate with it. Watch. Are you going to vote on Prop 36 in California? You are a California voter. Do California and other states need to punish drug and theft crimes more harshly? So I have not yet voted, and I have not yet had the chance to read through the ballot. I will keep you posted on that. I'm inspired. That's real leadership. It is absolutely

stunning. So first of all, of course she knows. She knows. Of course she knows. This is right in her wheelhouse. She constantly brags about the fact she was a tough prosecutor, she was state AG, the biggest department other than the Department of Justice federally, etc. Right? So she totally knows what's going on here. She also knows that it is aimed directly at the proposition that she presided over as AG. That's what it's doing, is reversing the worst

effects of that. Of course she knows. Why won't she say? Because just like on every other issue, she is terrified of angering and provoking the far left base of her party and the activists. That's why she can't give a straight answer on a whole bunch of these questions. I wonder how she actually feels because if she was wanting the penalties reduced, she must not be in favor of this,

but she's now tried to act like she's John Wayne and she prosecuted transnational criminals who crossed that their border. And so like the new Kamala Harris should say, yeah, let's go for a prop 36 is cracked down on those criminals. But like everything else in this race, she she's trying to keep her left flank. Exactly right.

And not show them like, I'm with you, but I'm not allowed to say I'm with you. This is the fundamental reason why she's such a disaster as a candidate. Because she's just not comfortable being who she is. She doesn't really know who she is. She's a transactional machine politician. She's going whichever way the wind blows, whatever's politically expedient. And so she can't say because she's nervous about being herself or telling the truth.

I actually think, like you, that in her heart, she is pretty tough telling the truth. I actually think like you, that in her heart, she is pretty tough on this stuff. I think that's really- She grew up a DA and she wasn't known for being one of these left, we didn't really have the George Gascon's or the Alvin Bragg's who didn't run a prosecutor crime when she was coming up the ranks. So, I mean, while I don't really give her necessarily credit for that, doing the job of being a DA or a prosecutor is to put criminals in jail. So she was doing what these guys should be doing. So I, you would think she, you'd look at her and say, yeah, you understand that crime, crime is crime and it needs to be enforced. And, but she also was running for vice president and became vice president during the

whole, you know, racial reckoning. And then George Floyd happened. And so I don't know, because I think Kamala Harris is woke. I mean, who else would stand with these trannies with the beard and a dress on showing their breasts in front of the White House and think it's fine other than a woke person? So there's a couple of things. So first of all, I think that she's definitely in when you look at the there's a really interesting thing. If you watch all these clips now, these disastrous performances, one of the things that is really striking is how she's just tongue-tied. She can barely speak.

Incoherent, unclear, inarticulate. And the CNN town hall, all these interviews, she's looking around, doesn't know how to answer the question. You compare that to some of the clips that I've seen being put out there from 2019 when she was running, when she's taking the left position, for example, on immigration. I just saw one the other day when she's defending her position that illegal immigration isn't a crime. And she's on Pod Save America. So clear, so articulate, passionate. She is better on abortion.

So when it's a position that's on that, she is more articulate. So that tells you a little bit about who she is. That's interesting. But on the crime issue, there's another side to it. When we first moved here, 2012, I was teaching at Stanford at the time. And someone there, she'd just moved. She's become state AG. She'd been DA in San Francisco. A mutual friend introduced us and said, I think you'd get along with this person who's our state AG. We had dinner. It's the only time I've ever met her. 2012, the first year we were here. And the reason that they thought we would get along, I'd just come out of the British government working for David Cameron, senior advisor in 10 Downing Street. And Kamala Harris, as DA of San

Francisco, she just implemented a policy of prosecuting parents who let their kids persistently be truant. And her argument was, if you're letting your, if you're not making your kids go to school, you are destroying their life and I'm going to hold you accountable and I'm going to prosecute you. And it was mainly black parents that actually, so she wasn't afraid of that. Come back to haunt her, although not as it would if she were a Republican. Yeah, but the thing is that she took a position there, which you would say is the opposite of woke. She was.

So I think there's a real complexity there. And the truth is, she just can't be herself because she's constantly calculating. Well, that's where Tulsi was coming at her from that debate. She was coming at her from the left. Exactly. Saying you were too zealous as a prosecutor. Well, the thing on that particular one. You were putting truant parents in jail.

Well, the parents is one thing, but the really despicable thing was on the drug crimes where she would punish the users, but actually failed to hold accountable the dealers and the big drug gangs.

The worst, though, is that case of the one, now he's an elderly man, black man, who was accused by his stepdaughter of molesting her. And that went up the ranks. And it became very clear that the daughter's testimony had been very inconsistent about what he had or hadn't done to her.

And the lawyers in the case of the DA's office misrepresented that to the court. Court after court has found a problem with the misrepresentations. And yet she refused to do anything for this man to take her office off of the case, to allow the appeal to expire, to let the man get his day in court so that he could actually take on this evidence. She didn't care about him. And he sits in prison today. Forgive me because I don't have his name at the ready. But George Gage, that's what it is. George Gage. Anyway, she's got like if this had been been, trust me, if this had been a Republican candidate with her prosecutorial, can you imagine? We'd know everything. George Gage would be a daily household name. We could be here for the whole hour talking about these instances. I mean,

you know, the child sex abuse. I mean, she goes on about how it was sexual abuse of her friend that prompted her to become a prosecutor. That was the thing that made her become a prosecutor. When she's DA in San Francisco, she took the side of the perpetrators of child sexual abuse against the victims. There was this case. It wasn't when she was there. It was a long running case. It was the Catholic church and her predecessor was going to release, they took it, I think it was a Supreme Court decision, they lost the criminal, and then they wanted a civil process, the victims. And her predecessor was in the process of giving them all the information for them to take that to trial.

She stopped it. She stopped it. And we don't know why, she's never explained why. But the argument in San Francisco was, she was doing it in order to protect her political interests with a very powerful political lobby in San Francisco, the Catholic Church. And you've got testimony from the victims. They begged with her, they pleaded with her to let this go ahead. And she said no. So she touts her record on child sexual abuse cases. She also touts her record on domestic violence and prosecuting the offenders and standing up for the victims of it, except if they happen to be the victims at the hand of her own husband. I mean, this story is unbelievable. And it's growing now, okay? Because the accuser,

the woman who says she was slapped in the face by Kamala's husband a year before they got married. I mean, this isn't ancient history. This happened in 2012. They were married, I think, in 14 or 13. So yeah, here's a picture. She's blurred out because she's maintaining her anonymity right now. She doesn't want her life to be ruined. She's a successful attorney. She's married now. She's got a great life. And you know, she's going to have a shitstorm rain down on her if she attaches her name to these allegations. But I believe this woman entirely. She's putting the story out there. First person with the Daily Mail. She's a lawyer. She knows very well she's going to get sued for defamation if this is not true.

No lawsuit has been forthcoming, Steve. And the first person testimonial has got some disturbing things in it. A couple of points that I just wanted to raise. So she talks about how she met him the first date. He brings his son in who is older at the time, like a teenager. The first date, he brings his son to meet her. Now, who does that? Everybody knows you don't bring the children in to meet like the new potential stepmother until- That is weird. I hadn't heard that till just now. And she knew it was weird too. She felt bad for him

because she didn't want him to just wander New York City without her. She was living in New York and he was living on the West Coast in San Fran. So, fine.

But it was a little red flag for her that he brings his son in. The two of them met on Match.com. She says, the relationship consisted of an intense few months

with Emhoff discussing marriage and children after just weeks. He starts love bombing her, Steve, which is what I mean. I'm not saying Doug Emhoff is a stalker, but that's what a stalker and a controlling man will do. They don't come on like, hey, I'm going to beat you or hey, I want to control every facet of your life and separate you from your family. They come on like, oh, my God, you're so beautiful. Here's the roses. Let's take amazing trips together.

Come buy a house with me. And that was the next thing. He brought her out to L.A. or whatever. I can't remember if it was San Fran or L.A. And says, I really want you to look around this house with me. And he's talking immediately about marriage and children. Marriage and children with her. Like within the first couple of days, he grabs her around the stomach saying, I want more babies. I mean, this is,

they're not even dating for a long time at this point. And, uh, really wanted to leave his family behind then when she got an opportunity in the UK to move there. And he was like, what family? My, my wife's got this and wanted to move to the UK with this woman who's a high powered. I mean, it sounds like a climber, right? He's a climber. So then they go to this event. I think the people know the situation where he smacked her. It was brutal.

But then she talks about how he told her about the nanny and the affair with the nanny. And she says as follows. We were in Santa Monica. He was driving his fancy car. And so I just straight out asked him, I feel like you're on the back foot in the divorce, like you're trying to make up for something. All I did was ask him one question and he told me the whole story without skipping a beat, staring straight ahead of the road. He tells me he had an affair with his daughter's teacher. She was the teacher and the nanny, I guess. And that

subsequently she claimed she was pregnant. He's telling me this very casually, like it's no big deal. He yelled at her. This is his account, that he yelled at the nanny. He never said that he hit her, but he said he got really angry with her and that she subsequently called, she subsequently claimed that whatever he did caused her to lose the pregnancy. He said she got a lawyer and was threatening litigation. I was flabbergasted and I was taken aback by how matter of fact he could talk about it. Now we know from the Daily Mail, they went and pulled the police records around. They found out where the nanny lived and that they had a level three alert on this woman's house at the time that she would have been pregnant, potentially having this conversation, which

involves sirens and lights and an emergency response. Wow, I didn't know any of this. Yeah, to the house. So, I mean, there's a real, I mean, look, I don't know, he denies hitting this woman. He admits having an affair with the nanny. Whether she actually was pregnant, what happened there, he doesn't admit.

But I think there's a pattern with these guys. You tell me, because I've never met a man who hits just the one woman, just the one time. This is the thing that people point out. And we don't know. And all of this stuff is complicated in the sense that it's human relationships. But as you say, if there's a pattern, the point is that the lack of curiosity about this from the media, generally speaking, the fact that the champions of women's rights and all of that stuff are just so casual about this and recoil when anyone even tries to bring it up.

You saw that the other night on CNN. They tried to shut it down. Imagine if this was the other way around. So did CNN's, they had a correspondent on Bill Maher a week or two ago, and she, Laura Coates, she shut it down too. When Bill Maher raised it, well, I haven't researched, I haven't looked into it. I don't know much about it. Why not?

Why don't you? And then we have to be really careful about going out there with allegations before we verify them. When have you ever exercised that in the past on CNN? I know, but just look what they've done with CBS just this week on some of the Trump stuff. I mean, it's just completely so glaring, the double standard and the lack of curiosity and the fact that they, and it just reminds me of the stuff with Clinton. It's just the same, isn't it? Going back all those years to Clinton, when it's our guy, it's fine. I think they agreed that those were, quote,

bimbo eruptions under Bill Clinton. I think they were very happy to dismiss those women. It's just trailer trash. We don't need to pay attention to them. And so it's kind of interesting because I think that is the media's general attitude. But this woman is nobody's bimbo. I hadn't read all those details. I haven't read the story yet. She's a sophisticated party. And for her, and she's a lawyer. Trust me, no lawyer would be putting this out in writing. We would all know we'd get sued to the nth degree. And for her, and she's a lawyer, trust me, no lawyer would be putting this out in writing. We would all know we'd get sued to the nth degree. And I guarantee you this woman will stand by the Daily Mail if they get sued and that she'll give them a sworn declaration. I mean, I think she's ready to fight if he picks it with her, but he's trying to run from her. They hope it'll go away

and they can just get through the election and it'll go away. It will. I know. I don't think it's going to actually have much traction if she doesn't come out and put her name to it. I think that's just a reality. If she if she if you know her name and you see her testimonial, it's very hard to just dismiss it. But because she's anonymous and it's with the Daily Mail, who I love, but, you know, the mainstream can just say, oh, whatever. Yeah. To me, it's very disturbing. And yet they're running with these claims that have been made against Trump, which, as far as I can understand, there, groping her. She said he kissed her. He grabbed her breasts, touched her waist and grabbed her behind. And that that was kind of over after that. It was like a chit chat. They went on to talk like Jeffrey and Trump and this woman. And then she left with Jeffrey and he was angry because he didn't like how that went. But he and Trump remained

friends. I think she says she continued dating Jeffrey Epstein for months. Anybody who dated Jeffrey Epstein for months. But this whole thing, it's so hilariously predictable. You know, like, oh, suddenly it shows up. You know, a couple of weeks before the election. I mean, just like. Trump denies it, by the way. You could have written it, you know, something like this.

What you've seen, not necessarily all these media companies, like I haven't seen CNN cover that, but I think it was in Variety. It was in the Daily Beast. It was in a lot of these publications that have absolutely no interest in this woman's story. This, you know, high-powered attorney who's doing a first-person testimonial in detail with witnesses, with receipts, totally different treatment. It's very annoying. And I mean, look, we're talking this other woman's 1992 with no contemporaneous witnesses whatsoever, no proof whatsoever. It's just, it's infuriating. All right. So I want to talk about the meltdown because it seems to me, um, the, one of the lead,

the lead piece in Axios this morning is about how Democrats are now admitting she's going to lose. We realize she might not lose because there's a tie, but she's blown it. Yeah, she has. That's right. They're all feeling it. Where I sit, I'm feeling it too. But I also see that the polls are tight enough and her get-out-the-vote effort is good enough.

Yeah. I feel kind of nervous about Republicans getting really complacent. You can't be complacent. But I think that there's a couple of things. First of all, you know, I mean, these these kind of stories, you know, that the October surprise, that phrase, we all know, it seems to me that the real October surprise is just how bad she is. Like, even those of us who thought she is so true. That's so good. Believable. Like, it's genuinely unbelievable. She spoke and we realized. It's this bad.

And it's just now, in October, when she's suddenly out there. Because they realized, for whatever reason, their previous strategy of keeping her just doing their rallies wasn't working. Okay, let's get her out there. Now we know why they didn't want her to do interviews. But the scale of the collapse in these situations and the fact that still she can't answer these questions. I mean, the one about your failings or whatever. I mean, I don't want to get into whether she did

worked at McDonald's or not. That's the kind of question you literally get at your McDonald's interview. She would have failed. You know what I mean? And it's just extraordinary to me how bad she is that even even to someone who, you know, who's a critic. It's amazing. Well, you know, it's interesting. She's not raising the McDonald's story anymore. I mean, it's just a joke. On the trail, though Barack Obama did. He went out and stumped for her. Kamala's going down to Texas with Beyonce to Houston,

which is actually kind of funny because I think that's where Beyonce's from. And she made Kamala come to her because Texas is not a swing state. I know the Democrats want it to be, but is actually kind of funny because I think that's where Beyonce's from. And she made Kamala come to her. Because Texas is not a swing state. I know the Democrats want it to be, but it's not. And they want to get Cruz out. But I mean, come on. I know, but there's no reason to do this in Houston

other than Beyonce didn't want to put her, you know, any elbow grease into this. Like, I'll do it if you come here. Yeah. Because otherwise you'd be doing this in Pennsylvania to try to get everybody, you know. So Beyonce's out. Obama's out.

Bruce Springsteen goes out on the trail. Almost brought Wolf Blitzer to tears. I'm going to say he's seen better days. I'm not going to. I'm just going to put it out there. Do we have a clip? Do we have a shot of Bruce Springsteen? Yeah.

Oh, just talking here. Let's watch watch she's running to be the 47th president of the united states donald trump is running to be an american tyrant he does not understand this country its history or what it means to be deeply American. And that's why November 5th, I'm casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. I'd almost forgotten about Tim Walz. I can't believe they're bringing him back. That's what they want. I know. To your point, though, about the complacency, I completely agree about that, because there's two ways of looking at it, which is, okay, it's a dead heat. The New York Times poll today, 48-48. Nationally, very close in all the swing states, all really close. That's one way of looking at it. And

therefore, absolutely no room for complacency. Another way of looking at it is that compared to previous results, Trump's way ahead of where he used to be. And in every single equivalent poll in 2016- I'm afraid of looking at it like that. Exactly. So we don't know whether the pollsters are more accurate this time. What if they fixed it? What if they fixed it? That's exactly right. So there's really no, this is what I'm, I'm on the road the whole time in California, trying to support candidates for Congress here. We've got a lot of tight house races, also the assembly and Senate for California's legislature. And there's a simple message. You

just got to get everyone out there. There's no room for any kind of complacency. The good news this time is that the GOP really has understood the importance of, you know, how much we don't like the rules and ballot harvesting and early voting and all this kind of stuff. Doesn't matter. Those are the rules. You got to work with those rules. That's really happening this time. You're seeing Republicans actually getting the message, Trump saying it, everyone's getting the point that we have to really, you can't leave it all till election day. So I think in that sense, it's better, it's, you know, it's a better machine, it's a better operation. You've also got people like my friend Charlie Kirk, who's doing a great job in with with his get out the vote operation,

chase the vote. There's a there's a lot of effort going into it. We hear that the Democrat machine is bigger, better, more money behind it in terms of turning out voters. But again, it's not like the Republicans have just been sitting around doing nothing. And, you know, we heard that. We've been hearing that ever since Obama. But you know what happened after Obama? Trump. Yes. Trump happened in 16, right after Obama, and he still won. And what they believe is, with all respect to Charlie, who is great and has been doing yeoman's work on it, and not just him, but other groups, Elon Musk's PAC has been getting people registered and getting out to it. Trump is a turnout machine. Trump is the one man turnout machine.

That is the belief by, I think, Team Trump. And that's what happened in 16. Now, it would be nice to have help and that's why and that also gets you over the kind of 2022 the red wave that never happened he wasn't on the ballot on the ballot so that's a i mean the republicans are going to have to fix that problem yeah good point soon exactly because trump is not going to be able to the other thing i think it's interesting in the context of beyonce and the and the trump point is it's just interesting when you have beyonce's outfit of she is. It's totally predictable. Of course these Springsteen and whatever, Oprah, you know, it's totally predictable. That's the way it's always been.

They did it for Hillary Clinton too. It's all the same. All of these same people were out for Hillary Clinton. What's interesting in terms of the culture is that Trump has actually become the kind of count, the anti-establishment guy. And so he's attracting a lot of support in parts of the culture that no Republican ever has before. And the kind of stuff he's doing this time in terms of the podcast and reaching out to people

that the previous Republican candidates would have no chance of getting that kind of support because they think he's cool, because he is anti-establishment. And that's the interesting change in terms of the cultural position of the candidates. So he's also doing an NFL players podcast. But I think part of what Trump is doing and part of the reason we see such a strong gender divide, the women are going to go Kamala for many reasons, but most of all Dobbs. You know, young women in particular,

they want the right to choose and they do not want to vote for Republicans who won't say exactly that. But the reason I think Trump's numbers are going up so high with men, because there are a lot of men who are pro-choice too, is just what we've done to men for the past 15 plus years in this country, but especially the past like seven, eight, you know, and, and I don't, I want to, I don't know exactly when we should peg it, but anecdotally, I feel like it's around seven or eight years, where we've just been crapping all over men and little boys in our commercials, in our movies. Do you remember the Gillette commercial?

Yeah, I remember the Gillette. I feel like that was 2020, maybe 2020. But that really crystallized it in a lot of ways. But I mean, I just think that men, and you know, this isn't racial. It's white, black, Hispanic. Men are sick and tired. It's not just being kicked around.

Men can take being kicked around of being told you're nothing. Yeah. I think it's really true. It's more than that. It's worse than that. You're evil. It's that you're nothing. We don't care about you.

You can't have a job. You are no longer in the running in the American race to improve your life. You're out. It's the same thing as reparations. You know that earlier generations committed sins that must be revisited upon the present generation, even if they don't have a racist bone in their body, even if they weren't here, their families weren't here to support slavery, et cetera. That's what we're doing to men. That's what we've been doing and truly yanking the American dream away from them. And I really think that's what's baked into those numbers. And you know, the thing about it is like, and that's why that's a good comparison and you can take it to so many different areas

when you got something where there's a kernel of truth that people could get behind and support. And when you take it to the extreme, it just goes off the charts and you get division. So for example, if you go about, I don't know, 20 years, it's true that there were things that you could do to promote gender equality, to make it easier for women to have careers and so on. I've always been a big supporter of that. That's true. Policies around childcare, whatever it may be, there's a whole range of things and that's great. But when you take it to the extreme and you push it so far, same with race, it's true that there's a racial wealth gap that actually, if you look at home ownership, small business formation, all these things, there's a racial wealth gap. But the idea that

then you turn that into reparations instead of sensible policies that just help black people, along with everyone else, get great results at school. Exactly right. Get well- well educated, like school choice. So there's good things you can do to promote equality of opportunity in a true American way without going to the extreme of lifting one group up by pushing another group down. That's her whole philosophy. I mean, she's in love with equity. She said it numerous times. She tries not to let it slip out in this campaign. I have to take a break, but I do want to ask you this question. So you're a Brit. When you listen to her talk, I mean, every Brit I know is articulate and well-spoken and can make conversation with ease. It must be particularly jarring to you and your people. Well, I have to

tell you, Megyn Kelly, I'm an American. Right. I'm an American now. Just to be clear with the audience. With British history. Oh, absolutely. And Hungarian. I always want to throw that in. My parents are Hungarian. Tough guy. Okay. Hungarian. I always want to throw that in. My parents are Hungarian. Tough, like a tough guy. Okay. Exactly. I think it's just amazing, actually, when you watch,

especially at this level, right? You're trying to be president of the United States and you can't speak properly. It's just really bizarre. I mean, like, what do you think David Cameron would think about?

No, it's amazing. You can name the Brit, you know, every single one of them, they're all able to make conversation with ease and with words, with real words. Actual words. That don't get repeated over and over.

Sentences that make sense. Right. Like, well, I'm talking about what hasn't been done, what we need to still do because it hasn't yet been done. So we have to do it, but it's not done yet. And it's crazy that you go from Biden. Like, you thought you can't get any worse than that. At least he's got an excuse.

Like, he's senile. Right. What's her excuse? I don't know. I mean, that's our debate, right? Is she scared or stupid or both? Okay. Well, I'm not, I think it's, I'm, I'm leaning into the, the scared of offending anyone and that, and I, the way I always put it is that is a terrifying characteristic in a president. Imagine that. Someone who just doesn't, is so unsure of themselves, so lacking in conviction that they're constantly calculating.

How's this going to go over? Who's going to be offended? It's the opposite of what you need in that incredibly important position. I know. I mean, we're actually finding somebody to put up against Xi Jinping, to put up against Vladimir Putin, you know, to put up against Kim Jong-un. Like we do need somebody who's strong. One of the things that I really love about how Trump is in this campaign compared to previous ones is he's giving us a bit of an insight into how he did the job.

He's telling us little stories about how he dealt with these foreign leaders and these situations. Just the other day, he was talking about moving the embassy and how everyone was lobbying him and all these heads of state and prime ministers were calling him to tell him not to do it, not to do it. He said, tell them I'll call back on Monday. And he made the announcement on Friday. And it's just these little insights. He's not scared of offending people. He'll do what's right.

And OK, you can disagree with it or whatever, but that's what you need in a job like that. You cannot have someone who's so calculating all the time. Steve Hilton is my guest today. The moment that really says it all, Andrew Schultz was the one who pointed this out to me and he was so right. It was when Trump was president. It was at one of those like G20 summits and I believe it was the leader of Montenegro who was in front of him. He shoved him. He was like, nicely, but he put his hand on the shoulder and just kind of shoved him back. Hello, we're the United States of America. You're in the back row, Montenegro. Right. Like, I love that. I maybe I shouldn't love it, but I love it. So I don't care.

I don't. What do you make of like, let me take this break, and then I want to ask you about the fascist thing because it's stepping up. Mika Brzezinski almost had a melt. I mean, I think she might have cried tears on the morning show about Trump. Like, they're really ramping it up. It's not working, but I do want to know your thoughts on it. So, quick break, and then we'll come back with Steve Hilton. Don't go away.

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He is host of The Steve Hilton Show. He's also founder of Golden Together, a nonpartisan organization that works to develop and advocate positive, practical policy to solve the many problems here in California. from Axios by Mike Allen. A growing number of top Democrats tell us privately they feel Vice President Harris will lose, even though polls show, in italics, a coin toss finish 11 days from now. Democrats admit they tend to be hand-wringing, bedwetting doomsdayers, but what's striking is how our private conversations with Democrats inside and outside her campaign,

both inside and outside, reveal broad concern that little she does, says, or tries seems to move the needle. The next line is, this after Democrats spent $1 billion. I mean. I mean, your heart bleed, the poor thing. There's some justice and karma to this, isn't there? Because of the whole coronation thing. It was so nauseating, the poor thing. There's some justice and karma to this, isn't there? Because of the whole coronation thing. It was so nauseating, that whole period.

Look, the thing about it is that when you see stories like that, I think the first one that really alerted me to this, I think it was this week, the Politico story, maybe it was last week, about the finger-pointing from within the Pennsylvania Democratic Party about the operation there being no good and everyone blaming each other. They're blaming one young woman in particular. It's like, how can it be one young woman's fault? I've seen so many campaigns, you know, here in England, across

the world. And when you see stuff like that, that is the whiff of death about a political campaign. And this story is just so part of that. And I just think, and they're desperation now. They're starting to stink of it. Yeah, it really is. That is what's going on. As we say, you know, we were talking about it earlier. It's close and no one can be complacent. It's the opposite.

Trump's certainly not being complacent. I mean, look at his schedule. Look at what he's doing. He's nonstop. He's absolutely conveying the right energy and attitude. Now, I played the Bruce Springsteen. We also have Mel Gibson going a different way. Should we listen to him? I'm going to guess Trump. Is that a bad guess? I think it's a pretty good guess. Well, what do you think the world will be

like in a second term with President Trump's second term? I know what it would be like in the second term with the president's second term. I know what it would be like if we let her in. Yeah. Oh, really? That ain't good. Yeah. Miserable track record. A falling track record.

No policies to speak of. And the border, right? And she's got the IQ of a fence post. She said it like it was. Very blunt talk. Yeah. I mean, look, I think that the fact that it's her performance, just the fact that she can't speak properly gives rise to that sort of comment. That's what's honest.

All you can think is fence post. By the way, so they seem to be catching him in the airport, which I was just in since I flew out here. I made the mistake that I don't want you to make and I don't want any of our audience to make. It was a long flight. It's like almost six hours. I did watch a movie on the plane and I made the mistake of not, I tried to click preview, trailer, but apparently I just hit play, and before you knew it, I was kind of into it, because it was starring Jennifer Lawrence, who I like.

You know, she's pretty, she's a good actress, whatever. Okay. And they said Michelle Pfeiffer, too. I'm like, great. Another icon. Javier Bardem was the male lead. I've been loving him in the Menendez series. He's amazing.

It was the worst movie I think I've ever seen. It was called Mother with an exclamation point. Okay, good warning. It was horrid. They were great. They were great actors. I don't blame them. But it was so bad.

It was so weird. It was violent. It was disturbing. And then I Googled it after the fact. Too late, too late. It was like, it's all about climate change and how the earth is being killed by the disrespectful. I'm like, well, no wonder this sucked. Anyway, don't go see it. Don't waste your three hours on the plane, two hours, whatever. I just want to point that out to you. That's a public service.

I mean, now that I'm in California, I feel the need to opine on films. I think that's right. That's what you should be doing. Literally no knowledge of any of them other than the one I just watched on the show. Oh, wait, I'll give you one other. Actually, I will give you one other. I did watch that new Netflix Amy Winehouse documentary, Back to Black. Oh, a lot of, yeah, a lot of people are talking about that. That was amazing. She's fantastic.

She's, I mean, that's an amazing story. The young woman who plays Amy. I feel very connected to her. Like in the 90s when she you know and i was in london then and really into the music and you'd see her around yeah she was a brit you know it's really i feel very connected to her it's very sad i mean it's really tragic she died at age 27 and so talented so incredibly talented like a once in a lifetime voice yeah well the woman who plays her is amazing and apparently did her own singing.

I don't know how they did it because she sounds just like Amy Winehouse and she was incredible. I don't, I didn't really know her from any other work, but she's been in some other things. Anyway, so there you go. There's a little, call me Siskel. I gave you your thoughts for the day.

Okay. The, what is I looking at? Oh, the New York Times poll, Steve? What was it? You wanted to talk about the fascist thing. The fascist thing. Sorry, yeah. I lost my train of thought.

Let's get to Hitler. So I'll get to Mika in a second. I want to do the fascism stuff. It's amping up, and they have decided that this is going to be the theme of her closing message. I know. It's amazing. When she speaks at the Ellipse on Tuesday. Even though the data coming out right now show that independents who are being asked by

this, like the last, not independents, but undecideds are being asked anecdotally by people like the Wall Street Journal or are pulling them directly, what, you know, what, what works for you? And they're saying the last thing we want to hear is more divisive messaging about the other candidates. This isn't it. But this is good for the Democratic base. So do you think the average American knows what a fascist is? I think they know it's an insult. Yeah. I don't think they process it in terms of anything that affects their life.

I don't think so either. That's why it's ineffective. It needs to be a word that if you say he's Hitler, we all get it. If you say fascist, it's like even John Kelly, when he was trying to dump all over Trump to the New York Times, had to look it up to say whether he was a fascist or not. I mean, there's so many layers to it. Like on the one level, it's just preposterous and juvenile. It's like a sort of kid throwing out insults. I remember there's a great movie called Life is Sweet from a great British director, Mike Lee, very on the left. And I remember this movie and there's a kid, like a 16-year-old girl, and she's read all this stuff and she calls everyone a fascist. And again,

in this very high pitch, you're a fascist, capitalist, you know, just throwing these insults around, like doesn't really know what to mean. And it's like that, it's juvenile and kind of sad that that's what they're resorting to. But on the other hand, it's to make. And it's like that. It's juvenile and kind of sad that that's what they're resorting to. But on the other hand, it's also desperate. And so you can see that everything else is failing. Well, but what do you say to your California friends when they say he wants to unleash the military? He's calling people enemy from within. He's saying he wanted to terminate the Constitution. By the way, just a fact check on that terminate the Constitution thing. It was a tweet or a social post he posted after the Hunter Biden laptop. Some of the efforts to keep it scrapped and out of the public eye were revealed. And he sent out a truth social post saying we should suspend the Constitution and I should be reinstated. Well, look, that's the next layer, which is, okay, let's just engage with it on the substance.

It is just completely ridiculous because it's like with so many things, they are guilty of the exact same thing they accuse everyone else of. So they say, you know, going against the constitution, what did Biden do with the student loan stuff when the Supreme Court told him it's illegal? He did it anyway. You talk about California. And the red debatement program. Endless examples of them completely ignoring the Constitution, the rule of law, whatever. You look at California. They constantly lecture us, and this is part of that whole

theme, a threat to democracy and whatever. Here in California, they've been overturning elections. That is exactly what they've been doing. Huntington Beach, not far from us here, where we are today in LA, they passed in March a ballot initiative. The voters passed a voter ID. They voted for it. The next day, Gavin Newsom and Rob Bond to the state attorney general sued them to overturn it. Then they put a law, they got their cronies in the legislature

to pass a law banning any other place from voting for something that they wanted. And there's another one. There's a ballot initiative earlier this year called the Taxpayer Protection and Government Accountability Act, which would maintain existing protections and add a few more for tax increases that are unconstitutional, called the California Constitution. What do they do? They go to the California Supreme Court and bully them to take it off the ballot before the voters have even voted for it. And these are the people that lecture us about democracy. By the way, they constantly go on about the, you know, the Trump's hand handpicked justices, the Supreme Court, the conservative Supreme Court here in California. It's not six to three, like you have the federal Supreme Court. There's seven justices here in California,

six to one, Democrats, the Republicans. They don't go on about that being some outrageous abuse of power. I mean, the list of things where they're doing the exact stuff that they accuse Trump of, it's just so long. And so even on the substance, it doesn't add up. But the real thing I think is just, it's revealing about, I think something that's really true of the left these days, which is that they really do place, it's about the words. It's not about the reality or the practicality. As long as you say the right words, that's all that matters. They don't even think about the consequences of words and what they actually mean. So they say this stuff that's ridiculous.

They're trying to scare people. They're trying to scare people that they don't know what they're going to get. They're going to get some sort of truly dangerous figure in there. But people have experienced it. That's the thing. That's the problem. They had four years of Trump. And actually, it wasn't any of this stuff.

It was peace and prosperity. People remember. It wasn't that long ago. They remember their lives were better. And so they're saying, yeah, let's bring the good times back. So all this stuff, I think, is just going to be completely ineffective, except for people who already believe he's a monster anyway, and we're never going to vote for him. The level of hysteria has gone to an 11. I'll give you Mika Brzezinski, who is talking about the women and how they need to protect their lives by voting. Well, he's killing women. That's exactly it. Here, watch. As important as Trump's fascism is and is the lead story every day, his cozying up to dictators, his obsession with Hitler that has now come out, what he has said about our veterans, and what he wants to do with the military against his political adversaries. It's all huge news.

This is the future that we're looking at in the next Trump term, if there is one. But this is what voters know right now, that he is killing us. He'm talking about us women. He's killing us. Sorry. I know it's like, but it's just so hilarious. It's like you put into chat GPT, you know, like, show me a completely unhinged rant about Trump with all the favorite buzzwords. But it's just incredible. It's laughable. It really is laughable. You can't, I mean, I, yes, we should engage with it seriously on one level's laughable it really is laughable you can't i mean i yes we should engage with it seriously on one level because again this is coming from the people and she says this like what and the oprah thing which was another disaster but what's the big argument she makes it's time to bring the country together the last few years and that's her answer

about why you know trying to escape um accountability for the biden years she said well since trump came on the scene we've been been so divided. We need to come together. We're all about unity. And then she comes out with this. And they don't even realize like that, that actually you can't just separate calling Trump a fascist and Hitler from the fact that half the country is supporting him. What does it say about them? No, that's different, Steve, because what they're saying is real. That's how they think about it. I mean, I'm pretty sure this is how they justify it in their own minds. I do want to show you this one. Harry Enten over at CNN has been, I think he's emerged as the star

of this election. I want to know more about him. He's kind of curious about this guy. I love his accent. Sounds like he's from maybe Long Island. Here he is talking about how Trump could win the popular vote. Listen to this. Stop 15. Donald Trump is very much in a position. He could win the popular vote, which, of course, is something he would absolutely love to do. I went back to the time that machine to see where were the past two races at this point in the campaign. Look, Harris in the average poll right now is up by one, well within the margin of error. You go back four years ago, Joe Biden was well ahead of Donald Trump in the National Popular Vote polls.

He was up by nine. Even Hillary Clinton was up by six points. It hasn't happened since 2004 and George W. Bush defeating John Kerry. And that's only the one time that it has happened. In fact, you have to go all the way back, all the way back to 1988 to find another one when it was George W. Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, winning the popular

vote over Michael Dukakis. There are some reasons for this. And I think Democrats' heads are all exploding out there watching this right now. Donald Trump winning the popular vote could absolutely happen. You might as well wrap your minds around it now, folks, if you don't like Donald Trump. State level polling. And you can see that Donald Trump is doing particularly well in California, Florida, New York and Texas. Of course, none of these states are really on the board at this point. So Donald Trump may end up gaining in the national popular vote polls, but actually he's wasting votes, which could in fact lead to a case where Kamala Harris could sneak by in the Electoral College by sweeping those Great Lake Battleground states, which at this point are way too close to call John. Oh, my God. Can you imagine that? By the way,

does something make you feel a little bit old? Was it 1988? As if it's like that far ago, the dinosaurs were still roaming. But that is so brilliant. I mean, imagine that they live. If he maybe that's what he's doing in New York at Madison Square Garden. Maybe that's why she's playing defense with Beyonce in Texas, trying to keep the national vote numbers down. Not that the national vote will determine who wins the presidency, but it is kind of interesting. This is the thing.

I mean, I'm on the road in California the whole time. As I mentioned, you see really strong Trump support everywhere. I mean, yesterday, I was just in Santa Barbara County, Trump flags everywhere. What? The day before, Marin County, one of the bluest in the entire state of California, crossed the 101 freeway.

I put it out on my social media. Trump signs, let's go, Brandon. Okay, in New York City, where my friend is, she keeps me updated now that I moved out, they've got on the apartments and the townhouses, there are little fake tombstones that read like, reproductive rights, the environment, like all the things that are going to die if Trump wins. So it's different. It's different depending on where you

are. I hope those Californians get to the polls and I hope you win in all of the ballot things that you're pushing and fights you're fighting. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Megan. Great to be with you. Great to see you. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.