The Megyn Kelly Show - Election Day, With Gov. Mike Huckabee and Joe Trippi | Ep. 19

Episode Date: November 3, 2020

Megyn Kelly is joined by Gov. Mike Huckabee, host of "The People's Podcast" on Quake Media, and democratic strategist and host of "That Trippi Show," Joe Trippi for an Election Day episode, focused on the candidate's closing messages, predictions, states to watch tonight and more. Also Megyn Kelly delivers a monologue about Trump, the 2020 election and the media, and answers listener questions about the election. Want to get your question answered? You can email us at [e-mail] The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShowFind out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. It's Election Day. What should we expect tonight and into this week? Two politics veterans from the right and the left will join us on the show today. Governor Mike Huckabee and Joe Trippi, two of my favorites. This is going to be a good one. Happy Election Day, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly, and this is The Megyn Kelly Show. So glad to have you with us. This is it. Election Day 2020. It has finally arrived, as we always knew it would. And I see this as a day to express your love for your country. Whoever you vote for, you get in there. And in effect, you're voting for the United States of America.

The way it runs its election systems, the people it nominates through a democratic process. That's what you go in there for today. Yes, you may have your political preferences and that's fine. But this is about more than that. It's about expressing, exercising your responsibility. You're right. It's it's a gift. We're all blessed to live here.

And not everybody gets to do this. Some people die in other parts of the world just for the one chance of getting into a polling station and casting a ballot like millions of Americans will do today. I see this is your chance to say what matters. This is it. Right. And I do think that if you don't vote, you really do sacrifice your right to complain. It's like I tell my kids, if you're not going to do anything about your problem, nothing at all, even though you've been advised on the potential options, you waive your right to complain about

it, right? You have to be proactive in your own life, both in terms of what you do in your apartment or your home and in terms of what you do in your apartment or your home and in terms of what you do at the polling station today. So go vote. If you haven't, if you fail to register, at least make a note on the calendar to register for the next one. Because I know a lot of people start to beat themselves up that they miss the opportunity. Well, there's always tomorrow, right? Not for this particular election, unless you're committing voter fraud, but in the future. I mean, I've been thinking a lot about what I wanted to say to you guys today, because I've been thinking a lot about the last four years and how we got to where we are. We're incredibly divided. There's so much

hate. There's breaking up of friends and families over their electoral politics, which is insane. The press is at an all-time low in terms of its respect and trust. And I've been thinking back to how we got here. Four years ago, Americans went to the polls and they shocked the world. They shocked the world by electing a reality TV star as president, a P.T. Barnum like circus character, right? Known for as much for his questionable real estate deals as for his extramarital affairs and his bankrupt casinos. Trump. Everyone told us he's not going to be president. That's what everyone said, from Barack Obama to the pollsters to even some of my

own Fox News colleagues who loved the guy, but just could not see a pathway to 270 electoral votes for him. And then the electoral votes started to come in the results, the actual results, November 8th, 2016, boom, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina. I remember that was a huge one. Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin, who the heck would have thought Pennsylvania, Iowa, and on it went until Donald J. Trump became the 45th president of the United States, Right. No one could believe it. Very few people could believe it or had predicted it. I remember watching in awe at Fox as we we cut between the stunned looking Hillary supporters in an utterly dejected, sad, panicked looking Javits Center here in New York City, where the fireworks never did go off. The balloons did not drop from the ceiling. And then, you know, cut to the exuberant crowd over at Trump headquarters where you saw kids who look like they found the golden ticket, right? A feat so spectacular, even they seem to struggle to actually believe it. From day one, Trump's White House, it got off to a rocky start, right? I mean, you know that

they misled us about things from crowd size to hurricane paths. We'd see that with the Sharpie later, a pandemic's seriousness. They denied virtually every piece of bad news, real and fake, which started to blend together over time. And that was a Trump tactic that led the country into what we now call a post-truth world. But it was one that worked brilliantly against a dishonest, biased, self-discrediting media. That war between them, the press and the president, left us, the American people, as its casualties. People who wanted truth, who believed in fact. Time and time again, Trump has baited the press into self-humiliation. He'd tweet and they would

respond how high. Any crumb he left, they followed and ate it. They lost all ability to see and report on him clearly and objectively. And instead, they put on their resistance hats proudly and took up rhetorical arms against the guy. The media committed suicide during the Trump presidency, and Trump was their Kevorkian. And the only remaining question was, would the media return the favor as they took their last remaining breaths? Today, we'll find out. Trump's petty Twitter wars waged on incessantly. You know that. He has insulted women's looks again. He's pushed conspiracy theories like Scarborough may have allegedly killed an intern. Scarborough says it's not true. I mean, this is crazy. The people were told you must recoil in disgust and think Trump was awful in every way.

But every morning the news would come that Trump, while he was doing all these nutty things, was actually getting results. He was passing legislation that frankly exceeded most Republicans' wildest dreams. That's not the story you would read in the press, however. They have waxed poetically in the past days, weeks, and even years about how awful and tyrannical he has been, how dangerous his reelection would be, that we can't afford four more years of this. They malign his supporters as bigoted, as dolts who don't understand this is a modern day Hitler. And since so many of his supporters have been shamed into silence, and they have, I realize

there are people out there with the MAGA hats and the trucks and the bumper stickers, but there are millions of Americans who no longer will say anything about Trump because they're afraid. And that's what led me to want to take this word this morning on why millions of people will go to the polls and behind the curtain, they will pull the lever for Donald Trump. No matter the result today, whether he wins or loses, they do not deserve scorn. Their vote matters too. And it doesn't mean they're bigots or awful or stupid. The truth is that while Trump was out there tweeting and golfing and watching cable news repeatedly over his first term, he was also getting things done. He was. He cut taxes. He rolled back scores of regulations that had been crippling corporate America. He helped America achieve energy

independence so that he worked to deter illegal border crossings, albeit with family separations that continue to haunt us all. I mean, the images of those children are terrible. But that was in an effort to crack down on a real problem at the border. And he did ultimately build at least some of that wall, though not enough, if you ask Ann Coulter. He tried to restore due process for young men on college campuses who had been accused of sexual misconduct, who under Obama had virtually all of their rights entirely gutted. They had no rights.

He rescinded a dangerous nuclear deal with Iran, which was but a mirage. And he pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accords, which many Republicans in particular felt hurt American workers unfairly. The one thing we haven't talked about a lot in this election is terrorism. Remember four years earlier, we talked about terrorism all the time, about ISIS, putting people in cages, torturing people. Trump worked with our allies to destroy the ISIS caliphate, including killing its leader, al-Baghdadi. Remember that? I don't know why he doesn't mention this stuff. He dropped a bomb on Iran's General Soleimani, who had killed hundreds of U.S. troops, despite many predicting that doing so would cause a war, which it has not.

Trump pushed for peace in the Middle East, moving the American embassy to Jerusalem, which many had said they do, but none did. He helped convince countries like Sudan, Bahrain, and the UAE to sign historic deals that recognize Israel and which very well may be precursors to peace. No one talked about it. I listened to the New York Times podcast, The Daily. I thought for sure they'd be talking about that. Never mentioned. God, they were down the rabbit hole on some obscure, boring, esoteric stories, but didn't even devote one little episode to that. Trump, of course, appointed three jurors to the United States Supreme Court, originalists from the Federalist Society, some of those conservatives approved, and 220, 220 conservative jurists to the lower federal courts. He's also repeatedly cited as the most pro-life president we've seen in a lifetime. I personally don't believe Donald Trump when he says that that's a heartfelt commitment he has. I think he sort of

blows with the wind on that issue, but there's no denying the results. If you are pro-life, he's done more for your side than any previous president has. Trump's past legislation, that should have delighted even the left, right? Even the left. The most significant criminal justice reform law in years. He worked with Van Jones and then Van Jones promptly got excoriated by the left for deigning to work with Jared Kushner

on such a legislation. But it was something the left should have loved. And then the Anti-Sex Trafficking Act to protect exploited young women. That was something the Democrats, AOC and others refused to even applaud him for at the State of the Union after he got it done. Meantime, his economy was booming by any standard. Unemployment was at a low not seen in 50 years. It was at record lows for Blacks, Hispanics, and women before the terrible pandemic hit. The pandemic that would change the world. The Democrats never let up on him, not for one minute. From day one, they were calling for his

impeachment. That is actually true within hours of him being sworn in. They and the complicit media pushed a BS case of Russian collusion that even the once very respected Robert Mueller could not ultimately make. And then they impeached him over something else. As soon as the Russia thing failed, they impeached him over something else for an odd and off, but not illegal phone call with a Ukrainian leader that never did lead to a quid pro quo. And as soon as they failed to convict him, they started in again, questioning whether they might give it another try on that or some other subject. The New York Times published Trump's likely illegally leaked taxes. No one seemed to have a problem with it, though they wouldn't print the Hunter Biden story. Staffer after staffer turned on Trump. Some we respected and loved

and might still John Kelly, Mattis. And yet any of them, any of them were afforded media anonymity to bash Trump, no matter how far up his backside they'd been when their egos needed his love and approval, right? And no matter how high or low, they really were on the DC totem pole as we saw this week. Trump never did find a way to talk about race or women or immigrants respectfully, though he did condemn white supremacy repeatedly, and he never called the Charlottesville Klansmen good people, despite the media's dishonest reports. He came with jagged edges that often cut deep, and anyone deemed an enemy for a day or a debate has the scars to prove it. But he also kept us safe from another terrorist attack.

He kept us out of war with North Korea, and he did not start unnecessary quagmires in the Middle East, as some other Republican presidents did. How important were his tweets, really? His thin-skinned nature, his occasional cruelty, his childish relationship with the truth. The pandemic hit and he stopped travel from China. This likely saved lives. Joe Biden called it xenophobic, which he now denies, but his tweet came out within an hour of the policy or so. We were told it was all Trump's fault, that his actions alone cost 220,000 Americans their lives. But his European counterparts didn't disagree either. And the same people condemning Trump seem totally disinterested

in a Democratic governor here in New York who signed an order putting COVID positive patients in nursing homes where some 6,000 seniors later died. But Trump, but Trump, they say. Well, Trump, it's true. He did not show a lot of empathy and we lost a lot of people we loved. He didn't cry. He didn't touch anyone with soaring rhetoric. But the truth is Trump is not capable of empathy. It's something I've been watching for in him for years. He doesn't have it. The truth is that is an emotion beyond his range. George Floyd was killed and the country burned. A powder keg simmering already from a quarantine that had cost so many so much. Trump poured fuel on the Black Lives Matter fire. He allowed federal

officers to brutalize peaceful protesters outside the White House so he could have a meaningless photo op across the street with a Bible. That happened. Eventually, he stopped simply tweeting law and order, which wasn't particularly helpful, and he did defend the police, who were called uniformly racist, brutal, and even homicidal. He defended America, which these bully wokesters said was systemically racist and awful, and even founded with the express goal of preserving slavery, which was a lie. He mocked the absurd calls to reject Abraham Lincoln and George Washington as American heroes, as their statues were torn down. And he condemned what those once

peaceful protests, peaceful protests, which, by the way, make America beautiful, had clearly become, which were riots, terrorizing innocents. Trump said pigs in a blanket is no rallying cry and that defunding the cops would get more black people killed. He stood up to the woke know-it-alls and he canceled the divisive critical race theory sessions being mandated by the federal government at which people who had previously been colleagues and friends were suddenly being shamed for their pigmentation openly and unapologetically. Trump stood up for personal freedom and he eschewed forever shutdowns and the unwillingness of schools to reopen and teach, no matter what the infection rate,

no matter how safe the protocols. But as is so often the case with Trump, he stumbled in the midst of it too. Bob Woodward played us the tapes of Trump admitting he intentionally downplayed the pandemic. He didn't arm us with the information we needed to protect ourselves. And today he says, just wait, I may fire Dr. Fauci and tells us we're turning the corner on a virus that's actually spiking. Though with better outcomes than we had before. And now, four years later, here we are again. All the polls but one have him losing this election. His voters are used to being condemned as bigots and fools.

But the pollsters say, why wouldn't they tell us the truth about how they're voting? What do you mean, shy Trump voter? Biden's heading for a landslide, they say. Unless he's not. Unless the night is P.T. Barnum's. Unless he's put center stage again. To conduct the show once more. He dazzles and delights. He scares, shocks. He horrifies. but in the end he stands up to the menacing beasts around him for himself and his fans. And the audience, having watched it all time and again, finds itself sated and possibly ready for more. That's what we're going to find out today. And those are some of the reasons people will go and pull the lever for Trump, and it doesn't make them awful.

And it doesn't mean you need to be one of those people. All I'm calling for is an understanding, an understanding of them. No one shames the Joe Biden voters and the Trump voters don't deserve that either. Trump's a complicated man, not all bad, not all good, like most of us. He's not a Hitler-esque person and neither are his supporters. Democracy's on the line today and you will support it no matter who you vote for. I'm looking forward to the results and I personally just hope they come soon. Coming up in one minute, we're going to be joined by Mike Huckabee with his take on what to expect today. But first, I want to talk to you about

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you were always so gracious because you were somebody who, who was obviously partisan, you know, you're no, no, uh, mystery there, but really kind everything you ever said. It, it, it almost never came from a place of meanness. I feel like our politics, they've gotten so mean. And you were always able to laugh at yourself, at me, at our weird world. And I liked that. That always played well for me. Well, I miss that mindset in the public space today, because it seems like everybody is angry. People have lost their sense of humor. And I can be snarky. In fact, I enjoy being snarky sometimes, especially on Twitter, because I think that's where snark lives. But I'm not mad about it. And I don't try to go out there

and hurt anyone. I really don't. I'll point out some flaws that I see in people on the other side who can't seem to see themselves in the mirror. But I have fun with it. A lot of the stuff is tongue in cheek. But I find that people who can't see things tongue in cheek, they want to put a fist in my cheek over it. And I'm just disappointed in that because I can disagree with people, but I enjoy the conversation with them. But I can enjoy a conversation with people who substitute volume for substance of thought, or when they move from what facts are, and they only want to talk about what I think, what I believe, what I feel. Feelings are fine, but ultimately it should come back to something a little more objective than

that. Yeah. Well, it's, you know, it's when the facts are not good for your side, you tend to switch to something else like feelings or your lived experience, which isn't all that probative. All right. So let's talk about today. This is an exciting day. I feel excited. I just feel excited about democracy and the United States of America doing what it does and showing the rest of the world how it's done. May have some warts on it. We all know that, but it's still the best system in the world and it's underway. This is it. Millions of Americans doing their civic duty, going to the polls, having their say, whatever their say is, it always makes me feel uplifted. But people are not going to feel uplifted if their side loses, because as you well know, enormous dejection comes to one side inevitably on a day like this,

or maybe over the next couple of days, depending on when we get the results. What do you think now on actual voting day, what's gonna make the difference today? This is a turnout election without any question. Which side gets their voters to go and vote? How many of those people have already voted? I mean, we know that 100 million have, which is stunning, more people than voted in all of 2016. That in itself is significant, but we don't know, was that because the Trump

voters were determined to go vote, people like me? Or was it because the Biden voters who can't stand Trump were going to go and vote against him? I don't think anybody, I've not seen any indication that people are voting for Joe Biden. You just don't see people saying, boy, his message really makes sense because half the time it's gibberish. They don't even, he doesn't understand what he's saying, but there is a very strong hate Trump atmosphere that exists out there that is driving the Biden voter. On the other hand, the Trump voters are fully energized, engaged. Nothing is going to keep them from voting. All of the attempts to say, well, the polls are showing overwhelmingly Biden is going to win, 91% chance, says 538. They don't

care. They're going to go vote anyway. So I see the energy that's out there, but it's really a referendum on Donald Trump and his presidency. But I would even say it's really not his presidency that's on the line. It's his personality, which is unfortunate because honestly, there are things about his personality that can be off-putting even to those of us who love him. You know, he'll say things and tweet things that are cringeworthy. But I'm not looking at someone to be my room mother and bring cupcakes to the class. I'm honestly looking at someone who will implement policies that will be better for my grandchildren. And that's where this comes down for me. It's funny because I'm sure if people had been,

you know, more transparent, we'd realize we've had a lot of pricks as president. I just think most people hide it better than Trump. It's like Hannity used to say, Trump's problem isn't that he lies. His problem is that he tells the truth. He doesn't hide enough. Yeah. Well, and I think what you just said is very true, part of which is because the press historically has given presidents and really all politicians a certain layer of protection. Did the American public know about FDR and his dalliances or JFK? No, they just simply were never told about those things. People made their minds up about these presidents because of what they did, not because of the things that maybe were going

on behind the scenes that had nothing to do with their job performance. Now, tonight, when the shows get started and we start to see the anchors come out to the anchor desks, here's the thing I'm going to be looking at as somebody who's done this for years. What happens usually at Fox News at five o'clock on election night, we would always have a pre-show meeting with the pollsters, with the decision desk people who are you basically get two per news company. They get invited to look at the exit polls. They are sworn to secrecy. They won't tell you anything. They wouldn't tell me anything, even a heads up prior to sharing it with the group, because they are

just, you know, they're boy scouts and girl scouts. So you sit around and they tell you, and I'll, I never forget last time, four years ago, they sit around and they said, it looks like it's going to be a very good night for Hillary Clinton. And that's what the exit polls were showing at that point. These are not partisan guys. They truly have no dog in the hunt at all. So it's going to be a very good night for Hillary Clinton. And that's what the exit polls were showing at that point. These are not partisan guys. They truly have no dog in the hunt at all. So it's going to be a very good night for Hillary Clinton. So that, of course, turned out to be wrong. But what I look for, as you see the anchors go on the sets on Fox, on CNN, on MSNBC and all of them is they'll telegraph something. They'll be saying something like, you know, will Hillary Clinton be able to pull it out? Early signs are positive. Anything could happen.

But and there'll be a tell in some way of more than they're allowed to share at that point as to what the exit polls are showing. Now, it doesn't mean it's going to turn out to be right, but the anchors are limited in what they can say, but they can sort of telegraph with their overall tone where they think the night is going. And we'll see whether tonight is more accurate than last time. What are you going to be looking for when things get underway? Well, I'm going to be looking for some early results out of places like Pennsylvania, Florida, Iowa, Michigan and North Carolina. I think that's going to be a key. If Donald Trump doesn't win Florida, then he's in trouble and he's got to win Pennsylvania, Iowa, Michigan, North Carolina and probably Wisconsin and maybe Arizona. I mean, that's going to be a big one. But if he wins Florida and he wins Pennsylvania, I think it's lights out. I really do. I think the others start falling in line. I remember four

years ago, Megan, I had for weeks said Donald Trump was going to win. And I had arguments, maybe even with you. I don't remember specifically, but I had arguments on air with a lot of our Fox anchors and others who said, and here was the big catch line. There is no pathway for him to win. And that was the line, no pathway. I said, well, I'm going to tell you something, there is a pathway and he is going to win. And people thought I was nuts, but I based it on what I was seeing once I left New York and Washington. And I was spending most of my time out in the hinterland on the campaign trail with

then candidate Donald Trump and out there on my own. And what I was seeing was not a campaign. It was a movement. It was people who were tired of being subjugated to the back of the political bus, who were sick and tired of being denigrated as deplorables, as people hanging on to their religion and their guns, and dismissed as rubes and yokels, treated like dirt when it came to trade deals. Their jobs had disappeared. Their wages had stagnated for 40 years. They were angry. It was not an electorate that was interested in solutions as much as it was. They wanted to take the institutions of government that had crushed them into dust. And they wanted basically to say, let's tear that down and start over. And Donald Trump was the change agents to deliver that.

I honestly believe he will win. And it could be a significant victory, one that will was going to lose. And he did. And I believe the polls. Then we get to 2016. And the polls said Donald Trump was going to lose. And I said, I believe those two, right? The polls, you're supposed to trust the polls. And the polls were wrong. And I think we all learned an important lesson through Trump. And I don't know if it holds, you know, for future Republicans, but certainly for the Donald Trump vote, it always has to have a big asterisk next to it because people do lie to the pollsters when it comes to him. They lie to their neighbors. They lie on Facebook. They lie to their employers. They lie to their friends because the media has done such a good job of saturating the airwaves with you're a bigot if you like him. You're a racist. You're a transphobe. You're sexist. You're whatever. And people don't want to be called those names. The polls are showing Biden up more than Hillary was over Trump, including as recently as today. And so how do you think that factors in that there is a shy Trump vote, but Biden is up more over Trump than Hillary was? I think there's two factors. You know, you talk about the shy Trump voter, and I believe that there are people that don't want to put a yard sign or bumper sticker on their car because they don't want their car scratched up. They don't want their home egg or worse burned down. They don't want people breaking down their doors and their see, you know, this mass of violence going on around the country, people being sucker punched because they were wearing a MAGA hat. And people just don't

want to have that. They don't want to have arguments with their own family members. They don't want to be disinvited to Thanksgiving dinner because they dare vote for Donald Trump. So they just keep their mouth shut. They may even lie and say, I vote for Biden. Yeah, just to keep kind of an even keel in the conversation. But when you see these rallies at airports and 57, 58,000 people show up on a cold night and they stand, they stand, they don't, it's not seated for hours so they can hear Donald Trump give the basic same speech stand in a parking lot with a dozen cars. He squints his eyes and he screams at cars for 20 minutes and then he disappears. And there's 20 cars, a dozen cars in the parking lot. They may honk their horn just to stay awake. And and that's his rally. Yeah. I mean, no, you see his rally. It is like I understand now the basement strategy. That was probably better because with all due respect to Joe Biden, those rallies just look sad. They just I mean, they just look sad. And I feel like what's even sadder is to see Barack Obama in front of those rallies or standing in front of four people because, you know, it's just a far cry from Invesco Field with the Greek columns in 2008, where it was like the second coming has arrived

and people went nuts. I realize it's a COVID world, but it did make me rethink my judgment of their basement strategy. But so I get it. There's enthusiasm behind Trump. They are saying, though, right now that the enthusiasm, if you if you had to look at it, it's actually greater this year on the Democrats side. But Gallup always points out enthusiasm doesn't necessarily predict who is going to win the election. But the Democrats are way more enthusiastic this time than they were last time around. There was it was like 50 percent of Democrats were enthusiastic about Clinton in 16. Seventy five percent are enthusiastic, at least to vote in 2020 on the Dem side. For Republicans, it was actually lower as well. In 2016, it was 53% were enthusiastic and 2020 is 60. So they've

gone up as well because some GOPers have actually come to like Trump when last time around they were suspicious of him. Anyway, so we'll see whether enthusiasm translates. But what do you think is going to happen? I mean, as the as the days go on, as they could, as we wait for possibly Pennsylvania, because you could mail in your vote there and and even a vote that gets postage postmarked today has to be counted. So they have to sit around and wait. If it's close in Pennsylvania, we're all screwed. What is the likelihood of litigation and of shenanigans when it comes to a state like Pennsylvania? If it's close in a state like Pennsylvania and it has to be recounted or maybe there's a challenge of the validity of certain ballots, I think it's going to get ugly. I truly do. That's why if there's going to be a victory, I hope it's overwhelming. Even if it's a Joe Biden victory, I hope it's going to get ugly. I truly do. That's why if there's going to be a victory,

I hope it's overwhelming. Even if it's a Joe Biden victory, I hope it's decisive. I hope that there's no question about the results and we don't have to wait three weeks or six weeks to find out who won. I still think Donald Trump is going to win, but let me be very honest. If he doesn't, I'm not going to take to the streets and loot some store and go grab television sets and burn cars and throw bricks at police officers over it. I'm going to suck it up and say, hey, you know, this is what an election is. Now, if we find it that there was certain types of shenanigans, even then I'm not going to burn anything down.

I'll just say, let's get to the bottom of it, make sure we have the results right. But I really do fear that if Donald Trump wins, whether it's by a landslide or by a small margin, we're going to see the kind of things that we saw in Minneapolis and Seattle and Portland and Kenosha and Atlanta in New York and major cities. And I just, I dread that. I think it's a destructive thing to happen, not just to these cities, but to our processes of a peaceful transfer of power, which we're supposed to be able to accept. But let's face it, Megan, the Democrats never accepted the results of the 2016 election and they couldn't accept it. Nor of the 2000. Well, that's true. But there was at least a clearer picture in 2000 in the Florida votes. A lot of that was because of where I live now in

the Florida panhandle, which people counted the votes in East Florida, which is in the Eastern time zone, failing to remember that in the panhandle in the central time zone, those results hadn't come in. The county where I live voted 84 percent Republican, 84 percent. So the panhandle is always where the Florida votes start really swinging to the right. Yeah. You can't call Florida before you have the panhandle votes and you can't make any predictions because it's such a hugely Republican Western area there. Yeah, no. So I agree. There's a real chance of, well, either president, because, you know, if Trump loses and it's close, he's going to try to delegitimize Biden entirely. He's going to say they stole the election. He's already saying that. So I don't know about riots. You don't see Republicans do a lot of riots and, you know, throwing bricks through windows when they

lose. But there will be complaints and delegitimacy accusations. I mean, I I don't know. I hope legal legal challenges don't resolve this election because we all saw how that worked out. But I do think they're likely, especially given all the changes we've had to make in the electoral system. Thanks to COVID, the number of mail in votes, the the oddities in 22 states. You can postmark your vote as of today and still mail it. So most of them aren't swing states. We don't care. But if things go south in Pennsylvania, it's going to get weird.

They say your state, Florida, is pretty good at counting votes and pretty good at counting them early. And so I think the polls close in Florida at 8 p.m. 7.30 is North Carolina. That's the bellwether where, you know, should be really interesting to see. And Ohio closes at 7.32. Last time around, we didn't call the election for Trump until I think it was it was 2. Let me see. Check my note. Two thirty nine a.m. Eastern time. That's when we called the vote for Trump. It was tight, but it was clear. Well, it was clear. I mean, on the Electoral College, which despite what Hillary supporters wanted to say, that's how we elect a president. And I'm glad we do. The founders of the country were brilliant in coming up with a system of an electoral college. Otherwise, only about five states would studying the election, the electoral process.

And I mean, there isn't a day that goes by that she doesn't come home and repeat to me what she's being taught in school, which is how unfair the electoral college is and how it should really be the popular vote. I'm like, oh, honey, let me try to explain to you why your teachers are saying that and what that would actually mean for America. But, you know, what is frightening about that is to take fourth graders and rather than educate them, trying to indoctrinate them on a particular worldview that goes against the very essence of the Constitution and how it was created and is designed for a purpose. Now, I think it's fine to have the discussion

and even say maybe the founders were wrong. Maybe we should have a popular vote. But you can't have that discussion fairly and accurately if you don't explain what the Electoral College was intended to do. The same way that we have a Senate. By the way, the Senate should still be elected by the states. It was 100 years ago that we changed it to a popular vote. It was a huge mistake. And we paid the price

for having a popularly elected Senate as opposed to a Senate chosen by the state legislatures like we had until the early 1900s. And it really created the massive federal government that we have. As a governor, I saw the results of senators who didn't care about what was happening in their states. That's very frustrating. So speaking of the Senate, and I'll ask you, President, as well, I know you think Trump's going to win, but I'm curious about whether you have an electoral college prediction in terms of the numbers. But what do you think is going to happen in the Senate? Because, I mean, there is a scenario, obviously, in which the Democrats win it all. And we have one party rule at every branch of government. But there's another scenario in which some of

these disaffected Republicans who just don't like Trump, they can't get back on board with him, some of these women and so on, say, I don't like him. I'm not going to put him back in there. But I'm not giving over the Senate to the Democrats as well. There should be one branch of government that is still, you know, makes us divided. So what do you think the odds are that the Republicans lose the Senate? I think Republicans keep the Senate. We've got several key states that are up for grabs. We may lose Colorado with Cory Gardner. I don't have a good feel for that. But I think Joni Ernst will win in Iowa. I think Lindsey Graham holds on in South Carolina despite a hundred million dollars poured in against him. And I want to believe that Martha McSally, who is a wonderful

senator, a strong woman, I don't know why anyone would not want to keep her. If they knew her story, if they'd read her book and recognized all the obstacles she's overcome to shatter glass ceilings, in her case with an A-10 Warthog combat fighter, the first female combat fighter pilot in America. And boy, did she have to go through some tough experiences to break those barriers. They'd want her there. And it's interesting that Mark Kelly, her opponent, is an astronaut. This is Arizona, by the way. Right, Arizona. But a group of fellow astronauts came out and endorsed Martha McSally instead of their own colleague, Mark Kelly. That was very revealing.

You know, the thing about Martha McSally is she's not a great retail politician. You know, she's a fighter pilot. I don't know that they're the best at glad-handing, you know. And Mark Kelly, Mark Kelly is, he's pretty charming. I had him on my show at NBC and he talked about becoming an astronaut and how he was a D student and really didn't think he had any business being selected for this role. Very self-deprecating, pretty charming. You know, I think that he's got some

sort of he's got a better retail sales case than she does. But Arizona would then have two Democratic senators, which is, you know, this is a state that has a lot of red in it. You know, it will be surprising if they have two Dems, but he is favored. By the way, don't you think Cory Gardner has got a good political future ahead of him, even though it does look like he's going to lose this race? Yeah, he's a very smart guy. He's got a great attitude. He's not a bomb thrower. You know, he's a thoughtful legislator, which is something we need a lot more of. He's in the mold of a Mike Rounds that never gets a lot of attention, but is a very effective go-to legislator. You know, there's some people that just don't like to do TV wall to wall. So they may not be as famous or as notorious, but they're effective and they know how to build coalitions with people from the other side

toward issues that need to be resolved and frankly can be resolved when people. Well, but as you know, you don't always get resolved or rewarded for that. I mean, look at Susan Collins. She's the most moderate, Right. She's the most moderate Republican in the Senate. And now they're like, screw you. You're out of here. You voted for Kavanaugh, which, you know, kind of gave her some grace with Republicans, but made the Democrats angry. But then she didn't vote as Amy Coney Barrett, what the heck? Might as well have a Democrat. Same vote. I know. It's like pick a lane, pick a lane, Senator. I mean, she could have easily on Coney Barrett come around and said, you know what? I listened to her. I'm convinced that the process, while not perfect, gave us a qualified nominee. And I don't want to deny that woman my vote now having listened to her. There was a way. Politicians can weasel out of anything if they want to. Can I just ask you, I got to let you go, but I want to ask you about this. Speaking of the deplorables and the messaging being even worse now on Trump voters, Maxine Waters, she never disappoints in her nasty rhetoric.

Democrat from California. black Trump voters saying they will go down in history as having done the most despicable thing ever to their communities, to their mothers, to their grandmothers. They're crazy. She said, these are crazy people. Trump's a racist and he won't help them. He won't quote, do anything for us. That's how she put it. I think like to me,

if if one remark could embody why people don't really want to telegraph their vote, she's shaming the black Trump voters. Imagine how the white Trump voters feel. That comment was so. Beyond the pale, in part because you may not like Donald Trump or his personality, and a lot of people don't. But if you may not like Donald Trump or his personality, and a lot of people don't. But if you look at what Donald Trump did with the First Step Act, and I was a part of that. I worked on that with people from the White House. And by the way, there were people on the far left, people like Van Jones, who was very intimately involved in helping bring this about. This is criminal justice reform.

That's exactly right. And it was historic. It was absolutely historic. So many people were put in prison. As my prison director used to say in Arkansas, we're locking up a lot of people because we're mad at them rather than because we're afraid of them. And we need to lock people up that we're afraid of. But we've locked up people for nonviolent offenses because they didn't have a good lawyer. And if they'd been an upper middle class white kid, they would have had a plea agreement. They would have gone to Harvard Law School and made a couple of million bucks a year. But because they were poor and they were black and they lived in the projects, they had a public defender who didn't have time to do much more

than do a plea bargain. So they pled, they have a felony, and now they can't get a job changing a bedpan in the nursing home. And I'm not saying that facetiously because we passed all these three strikes you're out laws. And then we passed laws that said if you didn't pass a background check, you couldn't be a janitor in a school and you couldn bedpan of the nursing home or sweep the floor of the school because they had a felony conviction that was really nothing to do with safety of the public. And it was a horrible public policy. Joe Biden voted for it in 1994 in the crime bill that was a disaster. And it was Donald Trump who fixed it. And if that alone isn't enough to cause African-American voters to say, you know, maybe this guy is not so bad for us. And the unemployment numbers for African-Americans prior to COVID was the lowest in history. Same with Hispanics and women. Those are facts. And they may not be comfortable for people like Maxine Waters, who lives, by the way, in a very nice home behind a gate in a gated community. And a lot of her constituents, they don't live like that. And I don't begrudge her. I just begrudge the fact that she thinks that she has a right to tell people who would like to move up the ladder that they can't do it if the person helping them up

that ladder is Donald Trump. No, it's like the same as LeBron James. I mean, I saw an article, I think it was in People magazine last week, showing the dollhouse, like the playhouse that LeBron James had built for his child. And it's nicer than most people's actual home. I mean, it's it looks like a Kardashian built it. And this is a guy who's out there calling to defund the police. He wants to take the money away so that the inner city black people cannot get protected by the cops. But LeBron's not going to have any problem. Trust me, his kid lives in a fortress when it goes to play with when the kids go to play with the dollies.

But like if you're in the inner city, you don't get protected because LeBron James wants to make a point about cops. It's absurd, the hypocrisy and the unwillingness to acknowledge reality and what life is really like. I mean, I think about how hard black voters have it who might lean conservative. Good God. I mean, I think about somebody like Jason Reilly, the Wall Street Journal, who's so reasonable in his approach and to be lectured to. The guy grew up in Buffalo. He thought for himself. He got himself a great education. He writes for the Wall Street Journal. He's an author. Now he's got to be lectured to by Maxine Waters about what a despicable person he is if he happens to pull the lever for Trump. And just my own belief is that is why on a day like this, we need to keep an open mind as to how this vote comes out.

Because when when people go into that voting booth, it's between them and their God what they do. And they don't answer to Maxine Waters. And thank God they don't. You know, and another person comes to mind is Charles Payne, who's on Fox Business. And he grew up in the projects of Harlem and didn't have a dad and grew up so poor. And yet he he wanted to be something he wanted to do something with his life. And at 13, he started carrying a briefcase and dressing up in a suit so he could look like he was going to be somebody. And, you know, I just love stories like that because it means that they overcame all of the things that were surrounding them. And they shouldn't be punished because they want to think for themselves. Yeah. Okay.

Final prediction. Got an electoral college number you want to throw out there? I say Donald Trump with 316 electoral votes. Wow. You think he's going up from last time, which was 306? Yes, I do. You heard it here, folks. Governor Mike Huckabee, so good to reconnect. Thank you for being here. Let's do it again. I look forward to it, Megan. Thank you. Great to reconnect. All the best. In just a minute, we're going to be joined by Joe Trippi. He's a pal of mine from Fox News and actually has his own podcast now, too. But this is a guy who knows what he's doing in democratic politics. He's worked on the Ted Kennedy campaign, Walter Mondale, Dick Gebhardt, Howard Dean.

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All right, so Joe's got his own podcast now called The Trippi Show, and I like that. You had so many possibilities with your last name, like Tripped Out. Yeah. You know, I don't know, Tripping. Since high school. Yes. It's high school. Yeah. I've been hit with all those. I decided to play with that. Yeah. I like it. I like it. All right. So let's start with the big with the big headline. Everybody wants to know who's going to win tonight and what's the Electoral College number going to be? Well, I think Joe Biden's going to win. I think it'll be pretty it'll be big. It's going to be I think could reach high 300s, you know, 368 electoral votes or even higher.

Wow. So that's big. That's seriously big. Why? Because, you know, we've been talking on the show. Obviously, all the polls say he's going to win. Biden's going to win. But, you know, we do talk about the shy Trump voter. And I believe that's a real thing. I don't know how big it is. That's that's my one caveat to the Trump supporters. I don't know how big it is. Well, look, I think all of us, you know, have been looking at this through the long the wrong lens. I think everybody has been looking at this like, you know, through through the lens of 2016. And I don't this isn't 2016. And, you know, I've been involved in nine different presidential campaigns going back to 1979 when I was like 20, 25, 26 years old. And it left a big wound, a scar that year, because we had double digit inflation, double digit unemployment.

The Iran hostage crisis was going every night. TV, all the TV channels were were in Ted Koppel on Nightline was talking about day 341 and they were counting the days. Every every network had numbers up on the screen about how many days it was. And Jimmy Carter's failed presidency was in a tatters. Reagan was very close to Carter. And then at the end, all the undecideds broke away from Carter, broke to Reagan. And on election night in 2000, excuse me, in 1980, 12 Democratic senators lost their Senate seats. So I have enough. Yeah, well, I've been around long enough to remember that and actually have enough long-term memory to know where I saw it. And so I think- Reagan, for the record, got 489 electoral votes over the course

of the two. Right. That's insane. And he only got 51% of the vote. So when you see Biden at 51, 50, 52, depending on what the national polls are showing, and you the, again, what's happening in the country right now, wrong track and all those kinds of things. No, but wrong track, but are you better off than you were four years ago is better for Trump. That's what confuses a lot of us is like, well, people are saying they're better off, 56% are saying they're better off than they were four years ago. And we're very shocked and scared by like the not being able to trust the pollsters. It's like a scary thing when you can't trust anybody. You know, that's why everybody on both sides is so on pins and needles. So why do you why you're so

confident? I know you say 2020 is not 2016. But like specifically, why? What do you mean? Well, I mean, let me give you one. We track every night in Alabama for every single night except Saturdays and Fridays and Saturdays. When we won that race in 2017, Donald Trump's favorable was 68 percent. We track every like I said, for a long time, every day or just about every day. On Thursday night, Trump's favorable was 53 percent in Alabama. And by the way, it wasn't like some cataclysm had happened off a cliff. No, this is like from 2017 to the day, each month, you know, 63, 59, you know, 57. And it's been just going down and he's losing. And we all know, you've seen it talked about, you know, suburban Republican women, younger Republicans, some business Republicans, but holding on to a lot of his core support.

And the last one that we started to see with COVID were a number of seniors that started to move away from him as well. Now, he's going to blow out Biden in Alabama. That's not what I'm saying here. I'm just saying that if he's declined that much in Alabama. I'm not, that's not what I'm saying here. I'm just saying that, um, if, if he's declined that much in Alabama, uh, you know, he beat Hillary, uh, uh, by 28 points and he got 63% of the votes. She got 35. Uh, let's say he beats Biden by 15 in Alabama. Uh, so, so he cuts the, the, his margin in Alabama is cut in half.

Yet, big win, give him that, not saying that. Then you got to start asking yourself in places where he won by 11,000 votes, what's going on? You know, in 44,000 in Pennsylvania. And then you see these polls that we're looking at. And that's what I'm saying. So it's kind of real life experience in a place I've been working hard in for three and a half, four years. He has a cushion. He doesn't have the cushion to lose that kind of percentage point lead. Yeah. I mean, he has that huge cushion in Alabama. He doesn't have it in a lot of these other places. Yeah. But if you play in Pennsylvania or Wisconsin

or Michigan. Yeah, exactly. That's where my confidence comes from. So by the way, I look back and so Reagan won 489 electoral votes, Carter 49. That's crazy. Think about that. That's a bloodbath. It won't be that bad, but it could easily be 350, 368, something like that. So can I ask you in a nutshell, because there's so many things. At the top of the show, I sort of went through why Trump voters have reason to support him, because I'm so tired of people dismissing all of his is he losing so much support? Why have, obviously Democrats never liked him, but why, why is he losing these core groups of people who did vote for him last time? I think it's his personality. I, I, I'm not, I, I don't think his, you know, on the policy positions that, uh, he's lost a lot of ground. I don't think that at all. I think there are quite a few people who like his policies, but have just tired of the chaos

and his sort of recklessness at times, his language and things like that, Twitter, those kinds of things. And what you see, a lot of presidents get here, by the way. It usually takes eight, all eight years, but towards the end, you know, everybody's sort of tiring at W or they're tiring of Obama even. I mean, there are a lot of Democrats that were starting to get tired of Obama after eight years. Had he really done enough? What did he do, you know, to help progressives, whatever, you know, the naysayers were starting to come out. Most presidents, it takes two full terms to get there. And I think part of, one of the problems of being sort of the reality TV show president is at what point do people decide they want to change the channel? Not because, I mean, just because they've seen the act over and over and over again. Well, it's interesting, Joe. I remember hearing somebody talk about narcissists. And look,

there's no question Trump is one. I think you have to be a little bit of one to, to want to be president. I do just kind of do, but there's like, there's regular narcissist and then there's sort of Trump level. Um, and I do think they, there have been studies looking into how long the average person who's with a narcissist can stand it. Like after time, it gets too grating, too dejecting, too tiring to allow it to go on. And if I'm not mistaken, I remember somebody telling me it was on average like two years. So I don't know. I mean, with this campaign, it's been going on a lot longer than that. Yeah, but that's what I think is going on. We were seeing in focus groups Republican women who literally say things like, I just want to stop the chaos. I feel like I'm hanging by my fingernails from the edge of a cliff. They just want to change the channel.

And I think that's him. I mean, he's done that to himself, regardless of his, if he had the discipline, I think to, to run on his policies and stay on them, um, I think he would be doing better. Unfortunately. Um, I don't think he, I don't think he has that in him. It's just not, he's not going to change. So as, as tonight gets started, what's the first year you're going to think you're going to be looking for and what's the earliest you think we'll know anything real? I think we're going to know pretty early what kind of night it's going to be. The first place I'd look is Sumter County in Florida. Look for the early returns there.

It's a huge stronghold of Trump's. It's where the villages are in the state. 56% of voters are over the age of 65. Obviously, a vast majority white voters. I mean, it's the Trump older voter place to get a quick look. When those early returns start coming in there, if Biden has closed the gap that Trump had over Hillary in Sumter County, that should tell you something. First of all, it means that the erosion that the polls are talking about with older voters is actually happening. And if that's happening in that county in Florida, I don't think I think it signals that Trump's in trouble. If Trump's holding that margin there, then I think we could be in for a long night in Florida, obviously. And there are other places around the country I'd start to look. But I think, look, Florida counts very, very fast.

They close the polls at seven o'clock last time, if I remember right, they were they had the vast majority of their precincts all counted by 830. It's very quick. So Florida, we're going to know if and if Trump loses Florida, you know, that's I'm saying we could at nine o'clock tonight. No, he's done. So I'd look there first. North Carolina closes at 730. They count quickly as well. But the place I would look early to is Lackawanna County in Pennsylvania. And I'll tell you why. That's Scranton. Uh, Obama, Biden, uh, beat Romney there by 25,000 votes. Hillary only beat Trump in Scranton in, in Lackawanna County by 3000 votes. So the question is, and by the way, Biden's there right now, as we talk, uh, he's in Scranton this morning. And the question is that's half of what she lost Pennsylvania by.

It was 23,000 votes. She lost by about 44,000 or 46,000. So half of it's in that county, and it's where Biden was born and raised. That's San Francisco. Right. And so exactly. Exactly. So does does he does he pull away like the Biden Obama Biden ticket did against Romney in 2012? If he does, he's already closed half, you know, half of what Hillary lost Pennsylvania by before you even get to whether the turnout's higher in Philly or, you know, you know, any of these other places. And he's got an obviously better shot in Scranton,

although those are voters who would be traditionally more working class Democrats, right? And that's why they went for Trump. But Biden can play with them. He can play with them. Exactly. And does that happen there? That's where I'd look for that first. And then, like, I don't really think we have to wait for a lot of the polls to close. I mean, you know, for, let's wait and see, you know, as they're counting votes in Wisconsin and in Michigan and Ohio, what's, you know, wait for anything to come in. What I would look at there is, you don't need me, pick a county in the Midwest, two or three counties in the Midwest that are majority just white voters, and then look at what the margin was against Hillary with Trump and what

the margin is against Biden. If Biden is closing that margin, I think it means that all those Midwestern states are in the blue wall is going to hold. If Trump is is growing his margin, that means this is your secret. This is your your shy Trump voter. That would mean that that he that more people are coming out for Trump than did in the past. And that's why he's growing his margin in those counties. So I would look at counties like Armstrong County in Pennsylvania, 96, 98% white. It's a rural, I happen, my mom's side of the family comes from Armstrong County. And it's, you know, I remember growing up every summer watching the big coal trucks roll by. If they're going to be shy or a surge of Trump voters that weren't there, that should grow.

Or does Biden, is he doing better with those kinds of voters? Wait, can I ask you a question about that? Sure. Can I ask you a question about that? Can I ask you a question about that? Because I frankly don't know the answer to this, but wouldn't the shy Trump voter not be in the rural white county? Wouldn't the shy Trump voter be more of a suburban housewife? Like, sure. I don't know if this if the rural white people are getting shamed the way the suburban Republican women are. No, no, that's true. And to get a sense of that, I'd go to Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. It's a suburb of Philadelphia. It's the third largest populated county in the state of Pennsylvania. It's a bunch of commuter, kind of the people who commute to Philly or to Delaware, Wilmington. It's down in the southern part of the state below Philly. But it is by far a swing. There would be a lot of those kind of voters.

There are a lot of GOP suburban women. Could we know that early with the Pennsylvania's weird vote in, I mean, mail in stuff? I can't believe, like it does seem a little odd that you can postmark your vote on election day. It's kind of a, it's really just an irritation for me because I want the answers. But do you think we'll know what's happening in Montgomery County or Armstrong County, given how many mail in ballots we're going to be waiting on? Well, I think in places, in a lot of the places I'm talking about, like Ross County, Ohio, Armstrong, I don't think it matters when their votes came in. In other words,

whether they voted early, whether they mailed them in, you're either going to see a- But we're waiting on some of them. But I'm saying a lot of them in. You're either going to see a, but we're waiting on some of them, but I'm saying a lot of them in Pennsylvania, we won't yet have. So I just don't know. I don't like, yeah, go ahead. What I'm saying is in Armstrong, where, where Trump was getting like, you know, 69% of the vote, uh, if the first batches are 69 and the next batch is 60, I don't think anything's going to change there. Right. It's too monolithic, uh. Same with Ross County. Stark County, Ohio has been a bellwether within a half point every year, as far back as I can remember. It may get who won wrong. I mean, in other words, it could be a half point, you know, for for for for Biden and Trump actually wins the state closely. But I'm saying that some of these like Montgomery County, it's the margin difference.

It's not, you know, I get it. How much better how much better is Joe Biden doing over Trump than Hillary was or vice versa? Okay, just back to Florida for one second since it does come out early and we should have actual answers. God bless Florida for giving us real answers early. What if what you see is that Donald Trump is winning it strongly, easily? Oh, no, look, if if if Trump is winning Florida easily, one, it means that a lot of what the pollsters are or think they're seeing with seniors can't possibly be right. I mean, you know, depending on on on where we're seeing that against Sumter County would tell us something about that. But so it means, look, that's that path for Biden's closed, it makes Pennsylvania massively important at that point.

Because if Biden wins either one of those states, that's not a good indicator for Biden of where maybe North Carolina or Georgia would be going. immediately if you're a Democrat, start freaking out about the blue wall. And having the, you know, the thing I say about Democrats is the entire party's haunted by the ghost of 2016, by the ghost of election past. And so that would immediately trigger, I think, a lot of anxiety. A lot of drinking, a lot of anxiety and a lot of drinking and a lot of a lot of value. Yeah. And for Trump supporters, they should take that as a big, strong shot in the arm that Trump is in it. So I like that a lot because, you know, we may be sitting here for days trying to figure out who won this election. But there's also the possibility that we'll get a very strong indicator very early in the evening about how this is actually going to shake out. So that, all right, that's good. Before I let you go, the Senate,

any chance that Republicans hold onto it in your view? No, none. Zero. I just think, yeah, there's no way that's going to happen. I think Arizona, Colorado, Maine, even North Carolina, even if Trump wins Florida, I think those four are probably I would be shocked if Republicans hold on to them. Can you say can you list the states again? North Carolina, Arizona. What else? Colorado and Maine. Oh, OK. and Maine. And then I think if I'm right about it being 1980, I would tell you that you're going to see two, three, four other seats that people don't really think are possible. Maybe Kansas. Even Mike Espy in Mississippi could shock Cindy Hyde-Smith. You know, in Alabama on Thursday night, like I told you, we track a lot.

And our track on Thursday night had us up one point. It's up one point. And, you know, that doesn't mean that we're there. Obviously, we're getting out our vote today and all those kind of things. But I'm saying, if this is sort of a mini wave, that's what happened in 1980, was the undecideds in the last days moved away from the incumbent president. So if we're seeing that, if that's starting to happen, what I expect to happen is not Florida signals a strong Trump win. I think it would be that Biden is winning Florida, and it's called like, you know, 9-9-30. And if you see that, then I start looking for the wave to happen, which might be till us goes down in North Carolina, Purdue starts to have real problems in

Georgia. You start to see a guy like Doug Jones, who was only up by 1.46 to 45 on Thursday night. We haven't tracked since we're just, we turned it off and we started putting all our time into getting it out. But that's how this starts to happen where you, you know, in 1980, 12 Democrats lost their Senate seats. They were giants, by the way. It was like Birch Bayh, George McGovern. I think Frank Church lost that year, if I remember right. But big, big giants in the Senate. And I think if this is 1980 redo, you know, redone, then I think we could be sitting here to, you know, tomorrow and looking at five, six new new Democrats in the Senate or held Doug Jones and picked up four or five seats. If it happens, Joe Trippi, I'm going to be giving you credit right here this same time tomorrow. Thank you so much for your straightforward analysis. Always appreciate you calling it like you see it. No, Megan, thanks for having me. It's really good to be on with you again.

Oh, we'll do it again. I look forward to it. Joe Trippi is a great guy, everybody. Listen, now you've heard it from both. You know, you've heard you've heard so many different predictions, right? You're just like everybody else. You don't know what's going to happen, but you've got like the Trafalgar guy saying Trump's going to win it. Mike Huckabee saying he's going to win. He's going to go up in his electoral vote. Trippi, who's you know, he kind of does this for a living, actually assesses how the races are going to go. And so does Trafalgar is saying it's completely the opposite. So hopefully we won't have too long to wait. Listen, we asked you yesterday to write into the show with some questions that you might have about about the election. And this is a feature we offer on the program called Asked

and Answered. And Steve Krakauer is my executive producer here on the MK show. And he has got some of your questions. And hopefully, Steve, you and I have some of the answers. We'll try. Yeah, we got a lot of great questions. So thank you to everyone. We'll always be doing these segments. So questions at devilmaycaremedia.com.

Keep them coming. The first one is from Carter, who describes himself as a 23-year-old gay conservative who is a huge fan of yours. And he wants to know, do you think there will be riots regardless of who wins or only if Trump wins? And do you think Trump will concede if he does lose to Joe Biden? So we're seeing, obviously, lots of boarding up in cities all across the country. Riots regardless, he wants to know. It's insane here in New York.

I mean, Madison Avenue, one of the nicest streets with all the fancy stores is completely boarded up. Looks like a war zone right now. It's crazy. I mean, people get it together. I realize you may be upset with whatever the result is one way or the other, but rioting and throwing rocks through glass windows is not the answer. Eluding all of it. People always wind up getting hurt or worse. This is no way to manage one's anger. and it doesn't say anything good about the people who resort to that kind of behavior. Um, my, my impression, as I mentioned with Huckabee is the Republicans don't generally riot in response to things like this. It tends to be the Democrats, or you see it sometimes at sporting events where it's nonpartisan.

Um, so, and I do think given the level of hatred for Trump that the Republicans don't feel for Biden, they may not like him, but they don't hate him. And there's certainly nobody calling him, you know, a Hitler-esque type figure. I do think you're going to see riots. And I think it'll it's it's I think we'll be fine if Joe Biden wins. And I think it's going to get very ugly, very ugly if Trump does. What do you think? Yeah, I tend to agree with both you and Governor Huckabee on this, which is that, you know, if Donald Trump wins, I think that there could certainly be riots. If Joe Biden wins decisively, I think that there will not be riots. But if it's really question, which is, do you think Trump will concede if he does lose to Biden? Carter's question, it's kind of loaded. I saw a reporting from Axios this morning that Joe Biden plans to give his victory address, even if Trump has not conceded,

if the media has called it for him, which I guess makes sense. But it's also, what does it mean if he loses to Biden? But I guess the question is, do you think Trump will concede? I think Joe Biden should offer a victory speech if the media has called it for him. And even if Trump hasn't conceded, I would do that, too. Right. Wouldn't you? I would wait around for Trump to determine whether you won or lost when the numbers are in. I think the question is, like, can you trust the media if they call it for Biden? And I think you can. Here's why I think you can trust the media. It's not like they didn't get it wrong before.

As Huckabee was pointing out, in 2000 in Florida, they projected Florida before they had gotten the panhandle votes in. And those are Republican, right? And they went for George W. Bush. And that's why we had some period of time where we thought Al Gore won. And it was far more complicated than that, hanging chads and all the rest of it. It was very, very close. So it's a tough state to call. the media can get out over its skis but i think um you can trust tonight the the calls of the states because those that's not run by don lemon all right and and and really in defense

of the other side tucker carlson doesn't make those car those calls on fox news and nor does brett bair those calls are made by the decision desk. And I've worked years and years and years with these guys. They're as straight as they come. These are straight arrows. They want only one thing, which is to get it right and not screw it up. And they will make damn sure, especially in the wake of 2000, where they all got, they still are close enough to that. They feel egg on their faces still that they do not project a win in a, in a state before they

are ready. I will 100% trust what the Fox news decision desk tells me tonight, and it will be announced by Brett and Martha, but they will not be the ones who have reached the conclusion. So anyway, if they say Trump won or Trump lost, I think you can trust it. Um, and I think Trump will only concede quickly if it's a bloodbath. And I do think no matter what, if he loses, he's going to grumble about an unfair system, rigged, rigged, rigged. He'll say, he'll say the mail-in voting was rigged. Um, that's why it would be nice. Whoever wins, if it's a crushing defeat, right? Either side. So the other side can complain all at once, but we don't really have to trust it or listen to it for long. Um, but I do think there's a chance of actual shenanigans that we have to, we have to be open-minded their this election is high stakes and both sides are really pumped up and

the Democrats loathe him. So you have to get a little worried about people thinking the ends may justify the means if it gets really, really tight. Right. Yeah, I think that there's that's why it's so interesting about the different scenarios that were laid out really by both guests, because there's certainly a scenario where Pennsylvania won't matter. Maybe Donald Trump will lose regardless, but he'll concede and then fight Pennsylvania and then use that as this example to set for what it could be in other ways. So I don't know. I guess we'll see. So many different scenarios. Let me ask you one. Wait, I'll give you one last thought. If Trump loses, if they say he lost and Trump is fighting it, the first person to concede will be Melania.

I'm done with this. Going back to New York. I do not want to decorate for the fucking Christmas again. Sorry. Off to Mar-a-Lago. Enough of this. Yeah. All right. Last question. Let's bring this one from Kelsey Stevens, who describes herself as a political newbie. She wants to know. That's a good question. How much of America do you think has chosen their party because of much of the boiled frogs they are, you know, where you're just in the pot and you're swimming and it's a nice pot and you enjoy the water and suddenly it's kind of warm. And then before you know it, you're boiled. I just think that, sorry for the animal lovers of which I am one. Um, I just think you get influenced by the media and your parents and your friends and your schools and your surroundings in a way you might not otherwise know. And I would say it reminds me of something Roger Ailes asked me when I was young and I was actually, I was interviewing at Fox news. This was back in 2004, I guess.

And he said, how does a daughter of a nurse and a college professor from upstate New York wind up fair and balanced? And he didn't mean Republican. He just meant open-minded, open-minded to truth and facts and so on. And it was a good question. He was basically trying to say, you've clearly been indoctrinated in left-wing thinking. How do I know you're not going to come here and not give Republicans a fair shake? And I thought about that. And the answer was, I was not raised in an ideological family. My parents were both Democrats, but we weren't particularly ideological. And we were Catholics. My parents were pro-life and I started to see what was happening to my paycheck. I started to get really concerned about these high taxes that they would smack on even young people saying we didn't pay our fair share. And then I worked at a big law firm where I was exposed to sort of chiefs of industry and CEOs and learned sort of how demonizing them and taking all their money and cracking down on them with regulations doesn't always lead to good results for the workers. And just started to see, oh, there's another side to

a lot of these stories have been told. I should listen. Maybe I'll learn. That was my basic mindset when I went into Fox News. But if I hadn't done that stuff, if I had, you know, just taken a job, let's say teaching in my hometown, which, you know, academia tends to lean very left, I don't think I would have wound up fair and balanced. And I think people really need to work to get themselves out of the echo chamber that they grow up in. Do you think? Yeah. No, I do. Although I look at it now and the corollary in 2020 of the media, people, the barrier to entry is so much easier now, right? You can go, people, you know, think of podcasts and YouTube shows, you know, people like, like, you know, that listen to this show or like listen to Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan and, you know, Tim Pool. And that's how they get their news. Crystal and Sagar, who are going to be on with us tomorrow. You know, and then those are the kinds of sources that open their mind, that get them thinking. Social media has got a lot of negative sides to it, but it also has some positive sides about how things get shared and discovered. So I do wonder if there's a bit of a shift that we're starting to see now, which I think is a good thing.

People, you know, think for themselves. I hope you're right. And honestly, that's why I wanted to, you know, do my little talking points thing at the top of the show, because I've been sitting back the past couple of years, and even while at NBC, I didn't do a ton of political coverage, frustrated because facts are knowable. And, you know, there are truths time, Steve, I looked at the media in the Trump era. And to me, it reminded me of the line from the movie War Games. The only winning move is not to play. That the only options available to me are places that are biased one way or the other. And I just don't want to play. And that's why I'm so grateful to Ben Shapiro

for saying, okay, there is like a meaningful avenue over here in digital, in podcasting, where you can really reach a wide audience and say what you want to say. And that's really, that's what my goal is, right? To be able to just say like, this is what's real. Trump has had screw ups. He has lied, but he's also done a lot of good and he doesn't get any credit from it for it, from this incredibly dishonest, suicidal media. You know that they're on a kamikaze mission to take him down and themselves with him. Yeah, well, that's, what's going to be so interesting. I mean, you know, this time tomorrow, uh, when we're doing another show, uh, we'll know some stuff, hopefully we'll know a lot. Um, but, uh, you know, we're going to, we're going to see a lot of, of get a lot of answers in the next 24 hours.

Oh, we hope so. I think so. I feel better after Huckabee, don't you? I mean, not Huckabee, Trippie. Yeah. I mean, you know, Trippie made me feel like we're going to know stuff. I think we, I think we will hopefully. Yeah. It may or may not be what you want to know, but I think we're going to know stuff. Trippie convinced me that when we see the early signs in Florida and some of these key counties, uh, we'll have some inkling one way or the other. And I'll take an inkling at this point. Steve, thank you, sir. Yes. Back again tomorrow. And I want to say thank you to all of our guests, to Joe Trippi, to Mike Huckabee. He's such a good guy.

You know, before I let you go, there's a funny story about him. You can see it on the Internet. But he came on my show one time and I was reading the intro in the prompter. And it said, joining me now is Governor Mike Huckabee of Huckabee, whatever, the show. I can't remember exactly how it went, but it was of Huckabee. That's how I had to say it. And you know, I spoke a little too fast and what came out was join me now as Mike Huckabee, which I really thought for a time might stick. It's kind of a cute little nickname. No, it didn't. Um, but I was the only time I've used the F word on on television. And you will laugh if you see the clip online. Anyway, my thanks to Governor Mike Huckabee, and to Joe

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