The Megyn Kelly Show - Elitist Colbert, Shutdown Politics, and Epstein and Israel - "Megyn Kelly Live" with Adam Carolla, MTG, John Rich, Lowry and Cooke | Ep. 1190

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Megyn Kelly's live tour continues in Georgia, beginning with National Review's Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cooke on to talk about how the GOP can win elections when Trump isn't involved, whether it's smart politics for the Republicans to nuke the filibuster, and more. Then Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene joins to talk about her decision to go on "The View," what Sunny Hostin said about her after the show, why MTG says she's "America Only," whether the Jeffrey Epstein files relate to the government shutdown, the Israel connection to Epstein, forces trying to drive a wedge between MTG and Trump, whether JD Vance is the future of MAGA, and more. Then John Rich joins to talk about why country music has gone woke, the importance of staying independent and outside the record labels and music industry, the climate in our culture post-Charlie assassination, plus perform a couple songs. And Adam Carolla joins to talk about the elitist and arrogant Stephen Colbert, how out-of-touch many celebrities are today, why Trump's background as a builder helps him politically, the rise of "Gyno-Fascism" in our culture, the way AOC and Kamala are pushing this movement, the truth about Katie Porter, his friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, and more. All Family Pharmacy: Order now at https://allfamilypharmacy.com/MEGYN and save 10% with code MEGYN10SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off & your first month free!Geviti: Go to https://gogeviti.com/megynand get 20% off with code MEGYN.Chapter: For Free and unbiased Medicare help dial 27-MEDICARE (276-334-2273) or go to https://askchapter.org/kellyDisclaimer: Chapter and its affiliates are not connected with or endorsed by any government entity or the federal Medicare program. Chapter Advisory, LLC represents Medicare Advantage HMO, PPO, and PFFS organizations and standalone prescription drug plans that have a Medicare contract. Enrollment depends on the plan’s contract renewal. While we have a database of every Medicare plan nationwide and can help you to search among all plans, we have contracts with many but not all plans. As a result, we do not offer every plan available in your area. Currently we represent 50 organizations which offer 18,160 products nationwide. We search and recommend all plans, even those we don't directly offer. You can contact a licensed Chapter agent to find out the number of products available in your specific area. Please contact Medicare.gov, 1-800-Medicare, or your local State Health Insurance Program (SHIP) to get information on all your options.  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hello, beautiful Atlanta. Oh, my God, it's incredible here. Look at this crowd. I'm honored to have you with me tonight. You guys, thank you so much for being here. Sit, sit. Enjoy yourself. Okay. This one is super special. special to me for many reasons. I've got my kids backstage, two out of three. And I've got my brother, Pete, out there with you. Peter, are you in the front? And I, where are you? Stand up, Peter Kelly. Where is he? Here, right here. That's my big brother. Pete's five years older than I am, and we're a family of three. We lost my sister a couple years ago, but she was the oldest and then came Pete and then came me

and he absolutely tortured me as a child he looked out from him and he tortured me but it was a good kind of torture right it was the 70s so we were raised right our parents ignored us our older siblings bullied us and we wound up having a thick skin that we would very much need later in life

right we're too complimentary these days I was talking to Tucker the other night and he was saying his parents literally never paid him a compliment. Like they never, they were not into compliments at all. And he was saying how his dad would look over his shoulder when he was writing his thank you notes. And if the dad ever saw the word I, he'd say, oh, it's all about you. Right? Now that's exactly the opposite of the message most of us are sending our kids. Like, it is all about you. You're so smart and sweet

and special, junior. We're overcompensating, I think, for being ignored for the first 30 years of our lives. But I do believe that Gen X is the greatest generation. I know I'm biased. It's the greatest generation, but I did just read today that there, do you believe, guess what generation is considered the most conservative now, right now? Do you know? They're saying Gen Z. I do think that the back end of Gen Z, like our kids, they are going to be the most conservative. But right now, you're not going to believe this.

It's millennials. I know. Millennials are actually the most conservative right now. And you know what? That is such a hopeful sign because they were lunatics, like 15 years. ago. So maybe there's hope for the next gen coming up. I'm feeling very, very positive about it. In that sizzle reel we did, we love the sizzle reels. We have a great producer, Jake Whitman, who puts those together, and they're so fun. You saw a clip of Jimmy Kimmel in his blackface,

right? That guy wore blackface more times than he could count. He didn't get canceled, but not only was he in blackface, he was like speaking in ebonics doing Carl Malone. Fine, no problem. You can be a big host of ABC News. We don't care. So there was a soundbite that was circulating today of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife. And you know, I really do believe this. You show me the wife and I'll tell you about the husband, right, when it comes to politics. It's very rare that there'd be a huge gulf between them, right? It just doesn't tend to work, notwithstanding James Carville and Mary Matlin. So Jimmy and his wife gave an interview together in which the wife says she was raised by a conservative family and is talking about, in the Midwest,

I think she's in Missouri. And the, yeah, right. You'd think she'd stay normal. That's not what happened. All right, just watch this. It hurts me so much because of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man. And to me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family. And I unfortunately have lost relationships with people in my family because of it.

it's like this is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore it is to me it's family values that I like personalize everything now when I see these terrible stories every day I'm immediately mad at certain aunts uncle's cousins who put him in power and it's really hard in my it's I wish I could like deprogram myself in some way but I I get really angry and I sent I've sent many emails to family like right for the election saying, I'm begging you. Here's the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy. Please don't. And I either got ignored by 90% of them or got truly insane responses from a few.

Unbelievable, right? I gave them the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy, but they're just too stupid to understand how right I am. Raise your hand if you lost a friend or a family member because you're a Trump supporter. Yeah, most of the people here. And I just wanted to close my opening remarks with fuck them. They're not worth our time. Life's too short. We have to move on without them. All right, let's get some questions

going from the audience, and then we'll start the party. I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Let's go. So happy. Love you guys so much. Yes. I've been honing my question all week.

Great. Hi. This is actually more directed to MTG. Okay. So maybe you can attack her. It's about immigration. Okay. All right.

I teach in her district. I live in Chattanooga. One of my students made national news about a year ago. She turned illegally right, was arrested and put in detention camp. She is one of thousands in my district. I know your stance on immigration is get them. all out. I have former students that have been here 20 years. They came across the border when they were six months old. There is no pathway for them. What is Congress doing to give them a

pathway? I'll run that by her, but I think the answer is nothing because they need to go. I'm sorry. I'm not heartless. We have enough of our own problems. We can barely take care of our own citizens. I'm sorry, it's not that I have no empathy for them. It's just there has to be a priority of taking care of Americans first. And if they leave now, Trump is saying, leave now, tell us that you left, and then we can maybe get you back in and do this the right way, but you came in the wrong way, and you're going to have to leave. I'm sorry. Next up. Hey, Megan. Love your hat and shirt. Thank you. I'm Reagan Atkins, and I go to Auburn University. Awesome. Yeah? And I recently just went to the Turning Point event and got this free hat. I just wanted

to mention that. But my question is for you is, as someone who, like, after college, I want to start a family. How do you, like, recommend for me, like, how to do it all like you're doing right now? Oh, that's a good question. So, I'm a big fan, if you can do it, of finding your husband, like, soon, right? I do. I think, like, college, I would love, Yates and Yards, if you're listening, I would love for you to find somebody in college and get married before you're 25 or six. Really, it's about me because I'm old and I want to know my grandchildren.

but honestly it is kind of about me the reason I'm giving this answer because I didn't meet my husband Doug until I was 35 and then we we got married very soon and we had kids at 38 40 and 42 which is like I'm like Methuselah having children out here and I while I wouldn't change a thing about it if I could move it back 10 years I 100% would because I want all the time I can get with my kids and then with my grandkids and I think young women aren't told that if you wait too long you know we do have a window of opportunity. And while I was lucky that the fertility didn't turn off, a lot of women aren't that lucky. So I really would prioritize first finding a mate, finding a husband, and building a family. And the career will always be there to build. And you can do building blocks

along the way while you're doing that for the career. Like you can slowly get your degree or an advanced degree, what have you. But I think having meeting a spouse and having your children first should be first in line. I am, I do have a boyfriend of four years. Nice. Good. Good. What's his name? His name's Garrison. Garrison, do the right thing. Hi, Megan. Hi.

My name is Joshua. My question is, during a recent stop, you had Ben Shapiro as a guest, and he had made some claims about Candice saying that she had said certain things online, and when he made those claims, you look visibly uncomfortable, because, you know, you hadn't heard that and couldn't verify that. So my question is, why did you look so uncomfortable? comfortable in that moment, and have you researched the claims that he made since. Thank you for that.

Yeah, no, he said that Candice has been claiming Erica Kirk was behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard, and I was taken aback because that seems like something I would have heard. It's so crazy. And I have since learned it is not true. Candace has not made that claim. And in fact, I've now seen several clips of Candice specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would never make a claim like that.

about Erica and that she, you know, she is open-minded to other people at Turning Point. That's obvious. She's been making that point. I had heard that point. But that, but she has, but she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been saying she does not think that of Erica. And in fact, if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make comments about Erica. And so far, what I've seen, she hasn't. So thank you for that question. Hi, Megan. Hi. Carrie Preston. Love you. You're the light of my day. Oh, thank you.

Firstly, I'm from Virginia, so pray for me. Oh, God. Do you not violate a law for the love of God? I don't understand. Do not want that man predicting your future. No, I don't understand. Secondly, I just sent you a resume. Please look at it.

Aw. Awesome. You know, we're doing well. We are hiring. I know. I saw. All right, thirdly, my question is, my biggest fear, and there's a lot of fears,

but my biggest one is the Islamic takeover of the world. takeover of the Western civilization. Who feels that way? Yes, right. We're not alone. And so when I say this to certain people, they look at me like I have three heads, I have a tinfoil hat on. So how do we get this message across? Because it does sound a little conspiratorial. So how do we make it sound like it's an actual real threat? Well, that's a good point. I mean, it's hard for you to play sound bites for your friends, right? But you should. Like, I'm going to play you some tonight that you could play, like, out of Minneapolis and Dearborn, which are gone. I mean, really, they're under Islamic control, Dearborn in particular, but Minneapolis, close second.

And then there's New York City, which, you know, 20 plus years after being bombed by radical Muslims, Alexa guy who seems to love radical Muslims. Whether he's one of them, we're about to find out. He is Muslim. But, I mean, like, as soon as he got in the mayor, in the mayor's office, the mayoral post, he seems to have dropped the mask. First thing was he went to a mosque with a very controversial imam, which is the last thing he did before he got elected mayor to.

I got my eye on this guy, and I'm sorry to say, I think he's going to make your point rather clear for your friend very soon. All right. Terry Preston, I say to my resume. Got it. Good evening, Megan. Hi. It's wonderful to meet you.

Oh, it's so nice to see you. This comment is actually more for Congresswoman Green. I am one of her constituents. I live in Paulding County. And I am here to beg her. Beg her. Do not cave to the Democrats on health insurance. Okay.

My son works for the Department of War, and he has not been paid. And even he says, do not cave to the Democrats, no matter what. We're going to talk about it. Thank you for seeing it up for me. Hi, Megan. Hi, sir. I'm Brooks. I've been watching you since I was 16 on the Kelly File, and now I'm 25. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. I'm honored.

My question is, we just had this moment of unity among conservatives with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and then we get to the election. Such a short window of time, how do we screw that up? Oh, God. The smarter people than yours truly are going to be answering that for. for us in about a minute, right? We've got Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook. I'm really looking forward to their analysis on it. And I'll ask MTG, too.

There's no question we're seeing a Trump backlash. I mean, there's just, like, what has changed from last November to this one? The biggest thing is Republicans are in power, and in some places, but quite a few of them, we're seeing a backlash. And what exactly it is that they're backlashing to? Ask a different person, you'll get a different answer.

My own belief is that President Trump, while he's accomplished a number of amazing things, has not been laser-focused on the economy. And that's the number one issue, and they're feeling it. Thank you. Hi, Megan. My name is Jenna. My daughter says that we are best friends.

You just don't know it yet. I love that. I am basically a brunette, less attractive version of you, and so we need to be friends. I am also a brunette. My question is, my daughter is here with me today, and she's 25. And we're a little at odds for the first time in our lives because I've raised three adult, wonderful conservative children

over the Israel issue. So I'm wondering how you think we should be navigating that with the younger generation. Well, that's such a good question. You're not alone. You know, it's so upsetting to me that this thing is dividing the conservative movement right now, you know, that our team is splitting in two over this issue because we need our team to be unified. You know, we have some true.

really demonic people on the other side, that truly want us dead. So our side needs to stand together. My own take on it is, whatever your views on Israel, you should not let it divide us as Americans. Like, we have to prioritize our country, and we have to have each other's back when it comes to fighting the lunatic left that wants us dead. So that's number one. But I think there's room for good faith disagreements on this issue. You know, the younger generation, I assume she's more opposed to Israel or having questions

about Israel because there are literally no young people left who are backing Israel. I mean, truly, it's like you look at the polls, there are none. And the older generation tends to understand Israel's importance as a strategic ally in the Middle East. So I think just room for grace, because as this conflict has gone on for two years, there are a lot of people who have started to have questions about Israel's behavior. And I think, even for those of us who are questioning it now, it'll dissipate once Israel's off the front pages and we're focused more on our own issues here in America. And I think maybe not talking about it every day, all day, will help you two,

and will help all of us too. It's my thought. Hi there. Hey, Megan. How are you? Great. I'm Vernon Jones, obviously. I'm here from the group.

Hi there. Thank you all. I just want you know, I believe that you're a solid at Stone Mountain. We love you. I know Stone Mountain. I've been there. I love it. Well, I just want you to know that you're a message of faith-based, hard work,

getting a good education. that resonates in many communities, not just a white community, black community, brown community, every community, but the liberal media want to silence you and I just ask you, don't back down,

don't back off, and don't back away. Fight, fight, fight, fight. Right on, Vernon. And so I appreciate it. And I'm here tonight because I'm one of those, not only lost a friend, I lost a relative,

I lost colleagues, but it doesn't matter. One courageous man in the crowd is the majority or one courageous person in the crowd's a majority. Yes. So I just want to ask you, will you continue to carry that message

and bring more like me and others who feel the way you feel on your show so we can resonate throughout not only our community, but throughout the state of Georgia and this country? 100%. I absolutely well. And isn't it great to be together? Isn't it great to know that even though these people have ostracized you, look at all your fellow community members who love you and feel as you do?

You're not alone. It's only the liberal media and the haters who want you to think that so they can guilt you into over-joining the other side. Don't do it. There are millions. We're in the majority right now. We are in the majority in this country. Hello. Go ahead. Hi. Hi, Megan. I'm Erica from the Palmetto State, South Carolina. Very nice. Your interviews are phenomenal. I love watching them. And I'm just wondering, is there anybody your team hasn't been able to get in that seat to interview? Is there someone on your bucket list that either you're excited about or someone you just want to sink your nails into? Yes. Like, who do you want to get a hold of, Megan? Yes, there is 100% a person.

And she just produced a TV special that goes by With Love, Megan. Yes. I think we can put it on pay-per-view, and I could probably pay off the national debt. Am I wrong? All right, we'll take one more, and then we've got to wrap it up. Hi, I have one question, and then a follow-up question. You got one. My question is, from zero to 100%, if you were to die tonight,

do you know that you would go to heaven? Oh, wow. I like to think I would. I've been thinking about a lot over the past couple of years, not just since Charlie died, but before that, because I had on Father Mike Schmitz on the show, and he talked to me about how getting heaven may not be as easy as we'd like to think. You know, I used to think if you're just a good person, you'll go. I think the truth is, if you are a person of faith, if you believe in Jesus, you're going. But he did talk about how you actually do need to live the faith. You actually do need to focus on doing good deeds and trying to minimize the sin in your life.

And when you sin, because we are all sinners, making sure you get in there and make it clean with God. However, you need to do it in my church and the Catholic Church, you've got to go in, you've got to face up to the priest, and you've got to say all the bad shit you did. It's very awkward. But thank God for the evangelicals and Protestants. They don't have to do that,

which is reason enough to join those. denominations. But get right with God and do the good deeds. And above all, truly. And I think many people have been having this feeling since Charlie. Welcome Jesus into your life. And if you're not feeling it, read up. Go to church.

Be open to it and ask God for a message that speaks to you. He will deliver. Thank you. Thank you all so much. All right, we're going to get the show started because that's what you're here for. I mentioned the sizzle reels by Jake Whitman. And it's so funny because, going through some of the highlights of the shows

with the people who come on often have had us in stitches all along, and we were laughing coming up with the one for Charlie and Rich, because they're not stand-up comedians, right? These guys are like policy wonks who can talk about anything, and I said to Jake, just get Charlie talking about anything regarding Kamala Harris.

It's not exactly how it landed, but I think you're going to enjoy this. Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook of National Review. Check it out. More people today are looking beyond the standard approach when it comes to their health, especially in the fight against cancer. Two medications you've probably heard about, Ivermectin and Mabendazol, are being researched for their off-label potential to support cancer treatment.

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That's allfamilyfarmacy.com slash Megan to learn more. Please give a warm welcome to one of the rising stars of the conservative movement, Rich Lowry. From Washington, the McLaughlin Group. What do you think of that? Rich Lowry. All to respect, Eleanor, you're talking out of both sides of your matter. In operation, no serious health care economy would say Medicare is efficient. Rich Lowry is a busy man.

You've seen others try to frontly confront Trump and not having it work. Is it just me or that term? I don't like that term. Frontally confront. I don't, just take me places I don't want a picture. We're never make an inappropriate reference like that. Yeah, I know, right, I know. Never, never.

Tim Wal, to portray himself as this great champion of freedom, it reminded me, Bill Buckley had this old wine that liberals don't care what you do so long as it's mandatory. And that's, that's how Tim Wall does. There is breaking news. I want to weep for my country. What a sense of the moment to know that what that moment called for was strength. One of the things that I like about National Review is that we weren't just there to go off to the left, but we were also there to police our own side, and I've tried to keep that job.

It's hard for Barack and I to just be in the world unobserved. She just seems wildly ungrateful that she has lived this extraordinary American life. The Democratic Party is crazy, and they have adopted crazy positions that people, when they learn about them, just recoil from. Stand by. Fox News just called Pennsylvania for Trump. Whoa. Holy cow, you guys.

He's the next president of the United States. Wow. Yeah, look what happened. Is this crazy? Rich Valley and Charles C.W. Cook, everybody. Woo! Fire! don't you love the fire

love the fire you don't get to walk out to fire every day so it's amazing because that that clip ended with us on set on my show the night Trump was elected which was almost exactly a year ago and now we have some very different news on elections

what happened yeah so first of all point of personal privilege. Some people who looked quickly through the agenda tonight might have gotten the idea that Rich was singing songs. That's not me, just to be clear. That's the other rich. Well, I think, Megan, on that night, when you were drinking champagne out of joy and Charlie is drinking champagne on principle, if you'd asked us, okay, does this mean Republicans are going to lose Virginia and New Jersey? Of course. If you win the White House, you always lose those off-year elections. So that wasn't surprising. The margins are a little

concerning, though. And what happened, I think initially, we all talked about the vibe shift. There has been a vibe shift. And part of it, there was an instant protest. The Democrats were on their back foot. They didn't seem energized. The party's image is still in the toilet, but they've shown once again they fear and load the president so much. Their people are showing up no matter what. And this wasn't a matter of other Republicans not turning out the Trump vote. Jason Maioris, who unbelievably and stunningly lost to Jay Jones, the guy who muses about murdering Republicans, he matched Yonkin's vote total when Yonkin won the governorship race was enough. Citarelli did better in New Jersey than he did four years earlier when he got surprising and

close to Phil Murphy and got wiped out by double digits. So a Democratic wave is coming a fear one way or the other next year. What is it in response to, Charlie, do we know? Like, is it the economy? What would you guess it is? Yeah, I think it's the economy. I think that those elections tend to go the other way, always. I think that the shutdown, especially in Virginia, hurt the candidates there.

I think that Republicans haven't done a particularly good job in explaining the shutdown. I mean, the Republican position on this is actually very simple. You don't think the sombrero meme got it done? Well, actually, I love the sombera meme, as you know. I did think that was very funny. But the Republicans have a much better argument, which is we have agreed to the status quo. They're not asking for anything. There's no extortion there.

They said, we'll continue as we are. And then we can debate once the government's open. But they haven't stuck to that line particularly well, and I wonder if that's hurt. So now we have Trump talking about the nuclear option, getting rid of the philadelphia. Have you been hearing about this? Trump wants to do it. He says, Trump wants them to get rid of it once and for all so that, you know, minority rights in the Senate would be severely compromised, not gone.

I mean, you still have to get a 51% majority to get legislation through, but we no longer would have to have 60 votes to get a vote on the legislation. This has been bandied about for quite some time now. I know you're against it. There's no way you're in favor of this. You're a strict constitutionalist. But this wasn't in the Constitution. This came about in the 1800s,

and it didn't really become standard practice until the early 1900s, the 60-vote thing. And the argument by Trump and others is if we don't do it now, the Democrats are 100% going to do it just as soon as they get back in power and pass all their stuff with just a 51 majority, so why not?

Yeah, I think this would be a mistake. One, the shutdown is going to end. I think probably within the next week or two. Democrats were I climbed down. The initial demand was extend these Obamacare subsidies. forever. Now let's extend them for one year. I think there'll be a deal around, we'll guarantee you there'll be a vote on the Obamacare subsidies, a vote that may or may not happen. But otherwise,

what big things does Trump want legislatively? What he really wanted was the one big, beautiful bill, and he got it. Most of the other stuff that he wants to do, he can do unilaterally, right? Whether it's tariffs or blowing up drug boats off the coast of Venezuela. and there you go. We're in the South now. So even Republicans will eliminate it and still lose the House next year, which means it doesn't matter

what the vote threshold is in the Senate. And then God forbid, if you get a unified control by Democrats in 2028, you've taken out the one check to them adding D.C. as a state, packing the Supreme Court. And yes, the left will be desperate

to eliminate the filibuster, but it doesn't mean they'll be able to do it. it. There are, you know, there are probably about 10 Democrats who think this is a bad idea and don't want to do it in the Senate. So I just think that the upside is very small as a practical matter. The downside could be huge. And then there's a deeper argument about how our government should work that maybe Charlie can take on. It's supposed to be the, what is like on the teacup, it's supposed to be like the saucer or whatever. I don't remember the analogy, but the Senate is supposed to be the more somber body where things are supposed to

be really hard to get through because they have six years in office. And, they don't really have to respond to the constituents right away, and if we're kind of taking that away, if we change it. Yeah, and also the practical point is that anything that the Republicans did now with an abolished filibuster, the Democrats can reverse. So there's a lot of things I would like to see. For example, you do election integrity, and then in three years' time, it gets reversed the other way,

and they say, actually, you're not allowed voter ID, and then you've set that precedent. But to me, the biggest reason not to do it is the Constitution is supposed to allow a lot of room for the states. Now, we're in Georgia. I think Georgia is a very well-run state. I think Georgia is a much better run state than, say, California.

Well, exactly right, except that the guy who runs California right now, everyone's favorite, Gavin Newsom, wants to be president. So let's assume Gavin Newsom becomes president, and then everyone's other favorite, Alexandria Ocasia Cortez, becomes a senator. What they want to do more than anything is essentially litigate Georgia out of existence

with federal law. And one of the things that stops that, having lost a lot of the constitutional protections in the New Deal, is the filibuster. The filibuster has proven very good at preventing the federal government from taking too much power. I know it's done it anyway, but too much power

that you would really, really notice. And I don't want to lose that. Here's what I worry about. Let's say they did it. They don't have the votes right now. The Republicans don't have the votes. But let's say they did it. soon. And Trump started pushing through legislation. Boom, boom, boom. There is no chance there wouldn't be a bloodbath in the midterms. I mean, Americans tend to like divided government. They don't want

any one branch or one party to have too much power. And I think the Republicans would definitely lose the House and the Senate if they pushed it through. And so it'd be a very short joyride for not that much return. And I mean, the loss of the Senate seats could go dangerously high. People are going to want to send a message that they do like minority rights. So I just think it's, you're playing with fire. So I'm not in favor of it personally. Not yet. I haven't seen a case. Okay, let's keep going, because there's more to talk about.

One question I forgot to ask you on the elections. One of the problems that the Republicans seem to have is they can't win without Trump. And, you know, Trump remade the party in his image and people will get off of their couch to go vote for Trump. He got the low propensity voters to get up and do something they didn't

usually do, which is vote for him. And when Big Daddy's not on the ticket, People are like, those people are boring, and I don't have any connection to them. So how do they solve for that in the next year? They don't. This is a huge problem. And Trump posted on Truth Social immediately. I wasn't on the ballot, and that's why we lost.

And that's a huge... And he loves that. Unfortunately, he enjoys that. But the problem is, unless he's going to be run for, you know, Senate from Florida, whatever it is, he's not going to be on a ballot ever again. So this is a huge issue. And it came up in the 2024 campaign. There's something he said that I didn't think that was that great.

I was talking to some shrewd political observer. I was like, I don't know how this is going to affect fence sitters. And this guy said, Rich, there are no fence sitters. What there are are are couch sitters, right? This is a young guy who is playing video games all day long on his couch, probably has a bong on the coffee table, and maybe an only fan's account. And that's the guy that Trump has to turn out. I was like, oh, hell.

But you know what? You know who helped turn him out? It's Charlie Kirk, right? And Charlie had a deeper mission, by the way, to save that guy, right? And to show him that there's a higher purpose to life than just doing that, just getting married, having faith in God. But who else can reach and motivate that kind of young man? I'm not sure who it is.

So this is a huge issue for the party going forward. We need better candidates. All right, I want to keep going. Supreme Court. Got a question last night, and it was a good one, about whether Republicans need worry about being in an RBG situation with our own aging conservatives on the court, in particular Alito and Thomas. And you know, you say to like true conservatives, what do you think about kind of nudging Alito and Thomas out? You get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach,

like, no. But I'd much rather have Trump replaced them than a Kamala Harris or President Ocasio Cortez or Newsom. My God, my stomach just turned again. So what are your thoughts on the Supreme Court and the seats. Yeah, I worry about this. I mean, I think Clarence Thomas is one of the greatest Americans in the history of the United States. Yes.

And I also understand if Clarence Thomas doesn't want to voluntarily give up his role, given what they did to him when he was getting him. Yeah. I also think to replace Clarence Thomas with a Katanji Brown Jackson

or a Sonia Sotomayor would be a disaster. And this is one of the things, if you look at the first Trump, election that swayed a lot of people. Justice Scalia died, and they looked at who Barack Obama had put on the court before, and they said absolutely not. So I don't want to see that, but at the same time, I mean, the idea of telling the guy you need to retire now is obviously grotesque. Maybe he will sense this himself. I do think there's a greater chance Republicans will lose the Senate now than I did before the elections this week, so I hope it doesn't happen. It's terrifying.

So what do you think, I mean, do you think if, you know, people around Thomas and maybe even Alito should be saying better now than later? I think Clarence, it was such a scarring experience for him, that confirmation battle. But by the way, these kind of confirmation battles are sort of a good thing. Because insurers, once someone's through that, they are not bending an E ever, right? And Clarence never will. But the more he hears from outsiders that he should retire, I think the less inclined he would be to do it. But we can't have the RBG thing, which is so perverse for their side, because she was clearly,

failing, right? They're in danger of losing the presidency, and the whole left was like, you go, girl, stay there until your age 105, and then she, you know, unfortunately passes away, like, now what, right? So we didn't want to do that to ourselves. No, I was covering the high court many times, and she was there, and Alito

had just been elevated to the bench, and as the new guy, he was seated next to RBG for a while, and she was falling asleep in the middle of the... It was very Joe Biden-esque, in the middle of the arguments, and you could see Alito like, what do I do I nudge her like I'm the new guy I'm not sure I'm allowed to nudge her and she stayed too long you know like so many of them like Nancy Pelosi who finally appears to be ready to hang up her congressional hat at age 85 but as you guys pointed out in National Review the person we appear to be getting instead of Pelosi is a complete and total lunatic his name is Scott Weiner and just as bad as he sounds he's worse than that Yeah, I mean, lunatic is one word.

Creep is another. And look, I have lots of friends who disagree with me on politics. I think it's important to know people who disagree with us on politics. But this guy's politics are really weird. He has pushed through in California a whole bunch of bills to do with changing the crimes that people are charged with if they commit, you know, sex crimes with minors. This is his obsession.

This is his obsession. He is, if you were to sort of put up on a pedestal, the worst side of the Democratic Party, the weirdest side of the Democratic Party, it's this guy. So actually, we might look back fondly on Nancy Pelosi and our hedge fund trading. That's a great moment. Think of how radical you have to be in order to make Nancy look good. Let me show you. I pulled a little sound bite of him because most people don't know him. I don't know if you guys remember early in the show, we used to have Britt Mayer and Carrie Prajan come on together, like the most beautiful and attractive panel known to man.

they're both former beauty queens and also very smart and they're Californians. And this was, this guy was right in their crosshairs as mama warriors because he's very, very pro transing your child. And they would follow him around with their iPhones like Representative Weiner, what are you doing? Why are you doing this?

And he's just an aggressive, bad guy in my opinion, but here's just a little taste of what he sounds like at SOT 1. What Sv107 says is that if you have a family, parents and children that are in a state like Texas, and they feel unsafe because they feel like they're going to be criminalized and attacked.

And they need to leave that state. They can come to California and we will protect them. That we will do everything in our power not to send them back to Texas or Alabama or any of these other states for criminal prosecution. That we're not going to honor subpoenas from those states for medical records and that these parents and these kids, these families can be safe here. But the opponents who are trying to attack trans kids, trying to drive them to suicide, pretend they don't exist, and then criminalize the parents who are supporting their trans kids, these opponents are lying about the bill and claiming that it somehow undermines parental rights. It's the exact opposite. It supports parents. Every single piece of legislation, every other one is about trans kids.

And by the way, you heard the lies in there, right? Like the trans kids who are just going to commit suicide unless they come to California. where he's creating a haven, a safe haven for them. Like, he follows all the tropes that have been pushed, even at the Supreme Court falsely. And I do think this guy is a dangerous dude. Yeah, this idea of a sanctuary, you're encouraging runaways from the rest of the country

of these troubled kids. So I think this is a key prism through which you can understand the last 20 years of cultural politics in America, right? They thought they could just add letters to the amalgamation of letters and always inevitably win. So, LGBT, they won on that, right?

They're not going to bother you. they're going to get married, it's not going to be a problem. It's kind of a libertarian argument. They added Q, and no one had a problem with Q because no one knows what Q is, right? Literally no. The whole point of being Q, I think, is that you don't know what you are, so that was fine. But then it was the T, and they thought T is inevitable. The next great moral struggle and civil rights struggle over time, but the insanity and imposition that have come with the letter T have caused a backlash, not just among everyone in this room,

but 70, 80% of the American public, and we're winning in this issue, not just transports and the medical procedures, but fewer young people are embracing non-traditional sexual identities. And that's the core issue. Because all of you found your voice and started talking about it. Yeah, this is an infernal trend. And, you know, women, especially young girls, are very suggestible.

Jonathan Hathogra's social scientist points out, if you have a group of friends who are girls, and one of them gets anxious and depressed, All of them tend to get anxious and depressed. Now, guys, if one of their guy friends gets anxious and depressed, they don't care. But the girls are very suggestible. So what we've done, we've encouraged this identity, and then you encourage it on one marginal person, and then it spreads among everyone else.

That is finally being reversed. But we won't win a final victory until we crush guys like that. Absolutely right. All right, let's end it on a nice note. Charles, how many years have you been an American citizen now? I became an American citizen in 2018. So that's seven. Thank you.

And I love the story of how you realized that you loved America, wanted to live in America, and needed to move here ASAP. Can you talk about that? Well, which one is it? I have so many stories. I was three when I first realized. Well, you were over at Oxford, and you were reading about the founders. Oh, yes.

Well, that was, yeah. So I studied American history in college, because I found it more interesting than my own history. And, but it is, it is. If you look at those ideas and you look at those people and you look at the story of your revolution, it's extraordinarily inspiring. I mean, these are great ideas.

These are ideas you don't find anywhere else. And once you've looked at them and once you've embraced them, everywhere else seems quite boring, to be honest with you. And so you decided you too wanted to be a revolutionary. Yeah, I wanted to be a revolutionary. I mean, I didn't tell the immigration services that because I think it would have sounded pretty bad on my application. but I wanted to embrace the existing revolutionaries, put it that way.

And how did you wind up in the South? Yeah, well, my wife and I, we lived in New York and then in Connecticut, and when we were having our second child, we started looking around for houses that could fit the growing family, and that just wasn't an option. And then we looked down in, am I allowed to say Florida in Georgia? We're great rivals, aren't we? Georgia was full. That's the only reason he didn't come here.

We looked down in Florida, and we moved down. We'd never look back. Best decision we ever made. awesome guys I love you so much thanks so much for all you do for the show love your smart

sound analysis and your great senses of humor thank you Megan yeah we appreciate it Rich Lowry and Charles CW Cook everybody

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peace of mind you deserve. Our next guest is so popular here in Georgia. Georgia, that she got several questions when she wasn't even standing on the stage. I don't think Marjorie Taylor Green needs much of an introduction here. But I think, remember how John McCain used to call himself Maverick? I think she's a true Maverick. Hugely popular, self-made, comes from a family that work construction. All she wanted to do is actually help American citizens in her hometown. She's exactly the idea that the founders had when they thought about citizen congressmen and women

to go to Congress and actually do something. She doesn't spend her time in Washington, D.C., she's not at all the Georgia-Gorgetown cocktail parties. She's down here at the Georgia cocktail parties where she belongs. And she does not care whom she offends, what party lines she bucks, she cares about you guys.

Watch this. If you had all the death threats I have, you can understand why that way sometimes. Oh, you do. I get them from both sides. Oh, yeah, me too lately. Oh, yeah, rightly, yeah, yeah. People say you are Trump in high heels.

Why don't you fuck off? How about that? I think our government deserves it. Here you are without your mask, and everyone else was forced to stay home. You belong in prison. This whole city sucks, and I say enough. I mean, I want to say the F word, but I can on this podcast. I did. I was like, fuck it. I'm running for Congress. The first reaction is Marjorie's crazy.

Marjorie's extreme. And then they find out, oh, maybe she's not crazy. Let me tell you what AOC has never done. She's never created one job. Are your feelings her... Move her words down. Aw. Oh, oh, girl, baby girl.

Oh, really? I'm dying to ask you about Jasmine Crockett. Oh, boy. I think your fake eyelashes are messing up with it. Total explosion. Beach, blind, bad-built, Bush body. She's nasty, too. She's as fake as her eyelashes.

She's as fake as her hair. There's reporting that President Trump called to ask, what's going on with Marjorie? He knows how to call me and he can ask me himself. I got elected on my own. I didn't get elected with a Trump endorsement. I'm not afraid to name names. I will walk in that capital on the House floor

and I'll say every damn name that abused these women. He's going to get mad at you for saying that thing about the Epstein problem. I'm a mom. I'm going to be 1,000% fighting for them over any politician and any party.

So, God. Oh. Thank you. So cool. Absolutely. There's no cooler congresswoman than you. Thank you. My mom's out there somewhere and she's

probably like, golly, that was a lot of cuss words. Sorry, Mom. Same. My mom feels the same. It's not her favorite part of the show. All right, so the view. Why on earth would you go into that snake pit? They invited me. Seriously. So this is interesting. There's a group of hardcore America First people like me that are blacklisted on Fox News. They fired Tucker Carlson and pretty much ever since that Tucker used to have me on when he was on Fox News. And ever since then, I'm pretty much blacklisted. They'll talk about me on Fox News. They'll show videos of me and things that I said, but they never have me on.

So I've done mostly conservative podcasts and so forth. Did your show, which is amazing. I do Tucker's show, Steve Bannon, different shows like that. but they actually invited, and I thought to myself, you know what? I definitely would like to talk to them and talk to their audience. And so I decided that our country is so toxic, politically toxic, and it really bothers me because ever since Charlie was assassinated, I'm concerned of where that's going, especially for our kids' generation and on.

And I'm a Christian, and I pray the Lord's Prayer every day. and here lately I've been thinking a lot about Charlie Kirk and what Erica said. She forgave the man that killed her husband, which is unbelievable. But I've been thinking a lot about how we say forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespassed against us. And we can say those words, but if we're not willing to live them in action, then we're not doing what we're supposed to do. So I've kind of changed my outlook. Thank you. And so I went on and I decided I would like to have a nice conversation with these women,

share my views with them and their audience, and try to put those words into action. Okay, here's my question for you, though, because it's no accident they invited you on now. Because you've been saying some things critical of Speaker Johnson, had some criticism of Trump, critical on the Epstein files as we saw there. And it did remind me a little bit of what Roger Ailes once told me. He said, when the left-wing blogs start praising you, that's when you have to worry. So do your constituents need to worry that you're moderating over to the left side? No, that's impossible, everybody.

Um, no, here's, here's where I'm at. I'm so America first. I'm America only. Yep. And Megan, I'm, to be honest with you, I campaigned all over the country for five years for President Trump. Did that, he didn't ask me to. I did it on my own. Love the man. Spent millions of dollars. I don't even know how many rallies I've been to. I totally lost count. Went to so many states. I can't even remember how many I went to. I want our agenda passed into law. That's what I want. And I am very upset as a member of Congress that we are not passing our bills that are the agenda that the people voted for. How? How can you? Not our executive orders, his executive orders. We all have bills that reflect them.

I mean, you could get them through the House potentially, but you're not going to get them through the Senate unless they get rid of that filibuster. Well, it doesn't matter, though. Here's the thing. I serve in the House. We should get our job done. It's not about we should get our job done, and then to let the Senate do their job. And as a member of Congress, I believe in transparency for all the people here. They need to see our voting records.

And they need to see these out. You were just showing Scott Weiner. I have a bill called Protect Children's Innocence Act that makes it a felony to perform gender-affirming care on any minor, makes it a felony. Great. That bill needs a vote. That bill needs a vote. And honestly, Californians, you need to defeat the weiner.

You have to do it. You may love it. It's got to go. I agree. He's super dangerous. I want to show you... That's the only one we'll cut off. I wanted to show you one.

I know you know how ridiculous and awful the left can be. You definitely know this. But Sonny Hosten, and as she has you on over there, she is Sunny Hostel. She really is.

No soon as you leave, and you did them a favor. You spiked their ratings. You let them sort of telegraph to the United States that, okay, we'd entertain a conservative here. And no sooner had you left, then she went out there and started ripping on her.

Here's a little bit of what that sounded like. I don't think she's changed. I did ask her, are we seeing an evolution? And she specifically, I think, responded, no, I'm the same person. So, you know, she's a big age. She's in her 50s. And so I think at a big age, in my experience, people don't change, but they may behave differently because they want something. And I think she, she aspires to hire office. Perhaps it's the Senate. Perhaps it's even the presidency. I don't know. But I don't know that we saw a different Marjorie Taylor Green. I thought. that we, you know, saw just someone behaving differently. Well, I will... Behaving differently. So she questions your sincerity. You're after something, so you're acting. Right.

I've been dealing with this for weeks. So here's the only thing that I know to be true. The only person I can control is myself. I can't affect anyone else's words or opinions of me, but I very much know who I am as a person. She's right. I am at a big age. I am.

And when you get to be in your 50s, You know who you are. I call them your fuck-at-50s. Yes. And this is who I am. That's right, exactly. And here's the deal. I ran for Congress in 2020, extremely angry at Democrats and Republicans.

And I was mad at Republicans because they never follow through and put into action the things they promise. And I'm sick of it. I really am. And so for me, it's, this is. our one-time opportunity, Megan, we got this one shot. And I feel like our majority is being ruined. I really do. By what exactly? In action. I voted to fund the government on September 18th. And then guess what? We've even been to work since. But whose fault is that? Mike Johnson's. Why? He's told us not to come back. He's keeping the house out of session.

All the American people are working every single day. Chuck Schumer. You don't think it's related to the shutdown? Chuck Schumer's in the Senate, everybody. Mike Johnson is in the House. He's a Speaker of the House. And he can bring us into session where we can be passing our bills, we can have our committees at work,

we can be working on getting rid of Obamacare and saving the health insurance crisis that we have in this country. Let me ask you about that. Let me ask about that because some people have said, okay, it sounds great, get rid of Obamacare, most people hate it. But have you proposed anything specifically to rule? replace it? So here, let's talk about Obamacare. It was passed in 2010, and then it went into effect

in 2014. 2014, my family's health insurance policy went from $800 a month to over $2,400 a month, destroyed our health insurance, destroyed the industry. Many, many companies went out of the market. There hasn't been competition in the market since. And then we saw in 2021, the Democrats passed the ACA tax credits. What did that do? That has skyrocketed costs, and they expire this year. The Democrats did that.

Everyone needs to understand that. They basically artificially lowered the cost of Obama. Okay, hold on over there. We can't hear you. I'm doing this interview. They lowered the cost of Obamacare with these subsidies to try to make you think

it's less expensive than it is, and those are about to expire. They pay the insurance companies directly. So the tax credits, they don't go to the people, they go directly to the insurance companies. But you see Trump today was suggesting we should change that and that he should give the money directly to the people

and not to the insurance companies. I think we have to do more. I think we have got to do more. Well, we need to build the off ramp off of Obamacare and off of the tax credits. Do we need a new health care entirely? Do we need Trump care? What do we need?

We need to empower HSAs. We need to empower associations where groups can join together and get lower costs. Companies like Costco, Amazon, on. They could mass sell health insurance plans, and that would lower the cost. PBMs, we've got to cut out the middleman, and we really need price transparency. People, you need to know how much it cost when you go to the hospital for a surgery, when you, any procedure you have, you shouldn't go in and have that and then have bills just keep coming for months and months. On end, that's for

sure. We need competition. So what about Epstein? What's going on? Because the left, if you tune in to CNN or MSNBC any day right now, they think the whole government shutdown on the Republican side is because they don't want to do any work because they don't want to have any votes on Epstein. Right. What do you think?

I tell you what, I've started a question, is this why we're not in session? Really? Yeah. This is that the discharge petition is sitting there. Explain that. So everyone, for how many years now, How many, all of us have been calling to release the obscene files.

And Thomas Massey entered a resolution to release, yeah. And I'm a co-sponsor. I want to release the Epstein files. And it's been blocked over and over, unfortunately. And so there's a discharge petition. So just so you know, as a member of Congress, I cannot force my bills to the floor for a vote. only the speaker can decide to bring a bill to the floor for a vote. And so when the speaker is refusing to bring a bill forward,

if 218 members of Congress get together and all sign a discharge petition, and we put our name on there, it overrides the speaker, and it's forced to the floor for a vote. So right now there's 217 signatures. And there is one... Mostly Dems. Yeah, mostly Dems. There's only four Republicans, Thomas Massey, myself, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boberg. We're the only Republicans on the discharge petition. Why are they so averse to it?

Well, there's a lot of information that's coming out of our oversight investigation. I also serve on the oversight committee, so I'm involved in that investigation. And there was a batch of emails released just recently that showed that Jeffrey Epstein worked closely with Israel on different military contracts, their intel agencies, Mossad, and so forth. I've been reliably told you're anti-Semitic if you say that. Yeah, that's like the thing, but MIGA cannot override MAGA. And I can criticize any foreign country that I want to because I'm an American and I have free speech. MIGA being Make Israel Great Again.

Yes. And it's not anti-Semitic to criticize a government. It's not. And it's not anti-Semitic to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and his ties with any foreign country. Whether it was Israel or the U.K. or the United States or that's not anti-Semitic. And it's not hating on anyone. I certainly don't hate anyone. but I definitely am concerned about any countries,

a foreign country's influence on our own, especially when it comes to members of Congress. You got some agreement out there. What's the number one thing you'd like to see change in the House right now? You'd like to get back to work? I want to get back to work. I want to pass the agenda that we campaigned on. I desperately want to do that.

That's the only thing I want to do. Everybody's talking about Marjorie Taylor Green wants to do this. Dr. Taylor Green wants to do that. The only thing I want to do is get to work and pass the agenda that everybody voted for. And that's America first. And the most, that is, that is what we should be doing. No more foreign aid, no more foreign wars, no more sending your monies overseas. We need to fix our health insurance. We need to work on the cost of living. It is extremely expensive. Yep. And the most important thing we can do is continue to create a feature for our children. Now, not everybody believes that these are earnest goals. Um, you're a good friend, AOC. Oh,

baby girl. Oh, yeah. She has a theory about why you're pushing in this way to improve people's lives with specific agenda items, whether they're good for everybody or just the right or just the left, what have you. Um, here it is in SOT 10. Here's some tea for you. Marjorie Taylor Green wanted to run for Senate. She was gearing up for that statewide race, and Trump told her no. The White House and Trump land shut down Marjorie Taylor Green's personal ambitions to run for Senate. And she has been on a revenge tour ever since. Confirm or deny?

Completely deny. So earlier this summer, I put out a very lengthy post. on my own personal social media of the reasons why I do not want to run for Senate. And you're seeing it in real action today. Look at the Senate. It's an absolute, utter chaos. We can't even fund the government

because of the Senate right now. And because of the filibuster, the 60-vote threshold, nothing can get passed. And it's uniparty control for forever. And that is seriously... Are you in favor of abolishing it? I told President Trump several months ago

on a phone call, that the senators, the Republicans, we have 53 seats in the Senate. 53. They can do anything they want if they abolish the filibuster. And let me tell you why. In 2022, the Democrats, Chuck Schumer led them to abolish the filibuster. They tried to do it. Do you guys remember that? They tried to do it when they were in power.

To pass their Voting Rights Act, which, by the way, we would have never won another election if they had passed that. The only reason they didn't get through it was Chris and Cinema and Joe Manchin. Guess what? Chris and Sinema and Joe Manchin aren't there anymore, Megan. So it doesn't matter if we're like holier than thou and we don't abolish the filibuster. They're still going to do it when they get the opportunity. So I told the president several months ago, I said, President Trump, we can pass your full agenda if the Republicans in the Senate, grow a spine, blow through the filibuster, and we pass election reform. I have a bill that calls for a census immediately, and it only counts American citizens.

Yeah, shouldn't be controversial. It should be done, and it redraws district lines all over the country with only American citizen count. You talk about doing something for America, that would save our elections. There's so many bills, so many good Republicans have, and if we would blow through that filibuster, we can literally save this country. But I don't think they're going to do it. I don't think they have the votes. No, there's about 20 Republicans that won't do it.

Yeah, and you're going to need all of them. Well, you're going to need at least 50, and then J.D. Vance could break the tie. And speaking of J.D. Vance, he's America first. Would you say he's first in line for 48? Let me tell you, I was the first member of Congress to endorse J.D. Vance when he ran for Senate. I was first before Donald Trump. I endorsed him. I love J.D.

I definitely think he's got a great shot. I hope so. And who do you think he'd be running against? Oh, and the Dems? Do you think your friend, Sandy Cortez? Maybe. She might jump out there. Could she do it?

Are we underestimating her? Some people say we are. Well, let me tell you, I don't have a lot of respect for AOC. I mean, she'd think about it. Would anybody in this country, and I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating her. She's never accomplished anything. She was a bartender. And then they made her a member of Congress. It was a big, she had a massive machine behind her. She's, she's never been married. She doesn't have children. She's never run a company. Like, is that someone that belongs in the

White House? She's just good at social media. Yeah. I don't know. Who, who, would we see? If you had to back one, would it be AOC or Jasmine Crockett? Oh, my Lord. You have to choose. You know what? I'm a little concerned that we might could see like Mom Donnie, maybe. Oh, God. He wasn't born here. It can't be him.

Well, that's true. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know who it's going to be. There's going to be a whole slew of them. Same on our side. There's going to be a ton of Democrats run. There'll be a ton of Republicans.

So why do we have these congressional Kardashians, like AOC, like Jasmine Crockett? What is it about our system that keeps attracting these people who just want cliques? I don't know. you know what it is let's talk about it like look Maxine Waters is like 82 or something it's just a perpetual paycheck Nancy Pelosi she's only

82 my god maybe she's maybe she's more I don't know seems like a hundred and two at least she could be do you all see that CNN appearance she did that hit

we're like the wig is off it's like crooked and she can see herself in the monitor she's kind of moving it you're like oh god No, Pat the weave. Anyway, keep going. Jasmine, your friend Jasmine. Jasmine, she's something else.

She's your least favorite in the house? She serves on the Oversight Committee with me, and she serves on my Doge subcommittee. Like, when you pass her in the halls, what's that like? I let her talk. I think she is, the more she talks, the better it is for us, let me tell you. Just let her cook, let her go. I hear she's very good to her staff. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of rumors about that.

Tell us about the pillow. Well, okay. So we were having one of our hearings, and she was demanding her staff come over, give her attention right away. Katie Porter-esque. Yeah, very. She tells them something. They go running off. A few minutes later, they come back with a pillow.

But it's not a pillow like this. It is a big, square, fluffy, very nice pillow. and they tuck it behind her back for her. And I was sitting there, and I'm looking at it. I'm going, what is, what am I looking at? So I took a picture of it. I actually have a picture of it. But one of the things she does is she always has one of her male staffers

carrying around her giant handbag. And there's rumors that they have to fetch her dry cleaning and all kinds of stuff. Isn't she only in her 30s? Why do you need the big pillow and you can't carry your own bag in your 30s? I don't know. I think she's, I think she's in her 40s. these upper 40s, I think. Okay, all right.

Well, she just acts like she's very, very immature. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Maybe perimenopause. Yeah. All right. So you're saying not now. You're not aspiring to a higher office right now, but not ever because I think you actually

would make a great president. Well, thank you, Megan. That's very sweet. I think your I don't give an F attitude is exactly what we need. Well, I appreciate that. I do. But let's think about what does this look like for fundraising. I've burned down the military industrial complex. I've burned down big pharma. I'm burning down the health insurance companies. I mean, if I can get like what, how many 10 million Americans to throw in like

$100? Maybe I have a shot. It sounds like Trump to me. That's what it sounds like. Same model, right? No one controls you. You'll get there your own way. Whatever happens, you have a very bright political career ahead of you. Marjorie, thank you. Thanks for everything. Thanks, Green Island, straight shooter. Thank you. If you're ever worried about the safety of your home, you need to hear about SimplySafe's early access Black Friday sale. We're already having Black Friday sales. This is great. Traditional security systems respond after somebody has broken into your house. It's a little late. SimplySafe is different. It can stop crimes before they happen. It's like minority report, only in real life, with active guard outdoor protection.

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60% off 60 at SimplySafe.com slash Megan. There's no safe like SimplySafe. It's finally here. All right, let's get this party started. Megan Kelly live on tour across America. I was like, we have to go, and then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go. The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down. Stand firmly. Do not waver on the truth.

Next stop, White Plains, Jacksonville, Miami, and Atlanta. So go get your tickets right now before they sell out. Megan Kelly.com. Y-ReFi and SiriusXM. All right, so my next guest is somebody I met back when I was at Fox News and I was hosting the midday show America Live. It was around, it must have been 2012

because I think I was at the Republican National Convention backstage. And I think it was 2012. Could have been 2008, whatever. And this guy comes backstage with the handlebar mustache and the black cowboy hat, which he's never without. And I knew this guy, because I was a fan of his, but I couldn't

believe he was actually backstage, wanting to talk to me. And from that moment forward, a beautiful friendship was born between yours truly and John Rich. He made it huge in the country music industry as part of Big and Rich. And then a couple of years back said, you know what, I'm not doing the record label thing anymore. I'm not going to be controlled by a group of people that's gone woke and has rejected the traditional values that made country what it is and decided to launch an independent music label and get his music out direct to the consumers. And that has been a hit. Now John Rich is free to go on Fox News or Fox Nation or do whatever shows he wants,

including yours truly's, and say whatever he wants, which is the principle by which he lives as the son of a preacher man. Here's a little introduction, and then you will have the pleasure of hearing him not only speak, but play. If you're wondering why there's no Johnny Cash's or Wayland Jennings or Reda Lins, well, there's a good reason for that

because none of those people would have been allowed to exist today. I just decided my freedom of speech was more important to me than the approval of the music industry. All you are conservative. Yes, I'm a conservative. You are a lover of America, a lover of the Constitution. Of course, yeah. A lover of President Trump.

I don't think there's any downside to get your job back or keep him more of your money. My good friend, John Rich, of Big and Rich, he happened to win The Apprentice, but we won't even get into that. The winner, week after week, it was John Rich, you're going to make it. They said, you fired to everybody but John Rich, right? So, sir, thank you. Great job. The wave of wokeism that's hit this country, and especially the entertainment business, That made its way to Nashville.

Recently, I put out a post calling out conservative country artists that have yet to come forward and support President Trump. I mean, Trump won the popular vote in a landslide victory. Every swing state went to Trump. What do you guys are afraid of? Now, grow a pair. If they made me CEO Cracker Barrel, we would start doing the Pledge of Allegiance every morning

when we opened at breakfast and we do the National Anthem at lunch. You think that's on. I've got two kids, and I didn't want to be the dad that yells at the TV at home and then goes out in the world and plays patty cake with this nonsense. Be the same guy all the time. I didn't want them seeing dad being a hypocrite. The thing I love the most about this country is I wake up every day. I go, as long as I'm still breathing, the game ain't over.

Literally the coolest man I know. There was a picture up there of yours truly at a John Rich concert, a big and rich concert, and that was after John gave me a beautiful Gibson guitar with my name stenciled in Mother of Pearl on the neck. And I almost brought that guitar here, just to show you that I still have it, and it's rather unused. And I should have, John. Tell them what happened. Okay, so first of all, how are y'all doing down in Georgia tonight? Y'all feeling good? Country music territory.

Yeah, so, Megan, I was trotting up onto the stage to do a sound check. I had a Gibson J-45, it was the music mafia edition, covered in rhinestones, the entire thing, brought it from Nashville, and the last step right over there, the very end of my boot caught that last step, and I fell flat on my face, and that guitar slammed down on the stage, and the headstock broke off of my Gibson. And, I mean, it smashed my guitar. Oh, look how sad that is. It broke it in half. And I said, well, I guess I'll sing a cappella tonight. We would have gladly taken that.

Which I would have done that. Yeah, you could do that. But your crew was so good that they actually rounded up a guitar within about an hour. I had another guitar in my hands. And it's right here. And here she is. And I don't know her very well.

I feel like I'm cheating. But thank you for pinch hitting. Yeah, absolutely. It does have some Chinese tuner keys up here, but it's okay. We're going to bend this guitar's will to Americanism tonight. Yeah. We're going to bend its will. Do you think it was the traditional country music labels that foiled your trip up those stairs? Because I don't think they're too happy that you've managed to make it without them. Oh, man, they hate me, and I hate them too. Yeah, it's crazy. How did country go woke? Country went woke when Nashville started firing the original guys that built, and ladies, that built our music, and they started hiring people from California and New York. That's what happened.

We ruined everything. Well, ruined Florida. But you're from upstate New York. Yes, actually, we're normal. Upstate New Yorkers speak sense. Well, people don't know this, but there's more wide. tail deer in upstate New York than there is in Tennessee. No one's ever called me that before.

Well, I'm glad to be the first. No, they replaced people in Nashville with people from the coast, and they started to change the dynamic and the narrative of the, really the, the livelihood of those. companies from the top down. And what happened was it not only affected the artist, but it also affected the songwriters. And I'll tell you this, songwriters, in my opinion, are some of the most powerful people in the world. Because they take blank sheets of paper and they can write anything they want to on that blank sheet of paper. And most of the time it means nothing. I've written over 2,000 songs in my life. And most of them you'll never hear. But a few of them, you will hear.

If you look back at the Vietnam War, you think about even guys that are, you know, guys that I go, well, I don't agree with them at all, but I will tell you, back in the Vietnam War, they helped to shut it down. It was guys like Bob Dylan. It was guys like Creedon's Clearwater Revival, John Fogarty. American songwriters that tap into the populist sentiment can put it on a page, sing it into a microphone and project it through radio, they shut down the Vietnam War. Powerful what that is. Today, it's a little bit different because the industry is completely.

completely overrun with whack-job communists, big time. But there's a few of us still out there that will write what we think and we will not apologize when we sing it and we'll stick it right in your face and make you deal with it. Yes. That's music. That's what it means to be an American artist. An American artist does not cowtow to the country. company. An American artist writes what they feel and they sing it with conviction and they

make sure that you damn well hear it. Can I get a hell yeah out of Georgia one time? Hell yeah. That's what it is. Yes, right on. You know, you don't think about artists in music being affected by the same censorship everybody's felt. I can't say it because I'll get in trouble. I can't write it because I'll get fired. And to think that of all industries, country music, which is right at the heartland. It comes right from the beating heart of America. It's beloved, mostly by conservatives who tend to vote red,

that that industry could be corrupted by these people. And still managed to sell any records is baffling to me. Did it hurt sales? Did the industry suffer? Well, so, I can tell you, when I made the move, I lost country radio, and I lost the record industry because they're conglomerates now.

So when I showed up on the scene, you had all these record labels that were independent, still big companies, but independent. And then here comes Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers. So between Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers, 95% of all record labels are owned by those three companies. And they are run by people who were run. woke ideologists who understand who the audience is. Oh, they get it. They know who it is.

And so they sign artists that they think will speak to that audience, but they put guardrails around them and go, you can only go so far with what you're going to say. For instance, Megan, you would never hear, I got a shotgun, a rifle, and a four-wheel drive, and a country boy can survive. You're not going to hear that on country radio today. You're not going to hear, I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. No, you're not going to hear that either. You're not going to hear those kind of lyrics on country radio because country radio is owned and operated by woke, liberal, crazy people.

That's amazing. So it comes incumbent upon us, the ones of us that don't have contracts. I got no contract in the world with anybody. Can I get a hell yeah one time out of Georgia? Hell yeah. So it comes down to us. We've got to be the ones that say it, that can cut through the creases in between the pages

and get our message out and let folks out here who are all feeling like they're isolated. You know, the main thing they've done to us, Megan, is they have made us feel like I'm the only one that's thinking that way. But then that song comes out. That song comes out. And everybody says,

yes, I feel like that. That's when you see some unity starting to happen in our country. What does that feel like, John? You pick up that guitar, get your six string. It's my borrowed. And you sing, I say and you sing

all the things that they don't want you singing. And you project that message out into the world and you know it's resonating. You know they're listening and you're touching something. deep inside of them. What is that like? It's a responsibility as a way I look at it. You know, I have a high school diploma.

Grew up in a double wide in Amarola, Texas, up in the Panhandle of Texas. My dad's been preaching since he was 19 years old. My dad's 73 now, and he is just nasty in the way he comes at it. I mean, he'll tell you straight up. what the Bible has to say about it. That's really all you should be concerned about is what the Bible has to say about it, not what Trump or anybody else has to say about it. I support Trump, but what God has to say about it overrides him all day long.

It's the way I look at it. I think it's a very important time in our country, Megan, because a lot of people are feeling that press. they're feeling that anxiety what's going to happen next yeah there's a lot of bad people in our country right now a lot a whole bunch of them and you wonder when are they going to show up and what are they going to do when they do show up I was told about three or four days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated I was told by a couple of three-letter agencies called me up and they said

John, make sure you wear body armor when you go out to play any publicly promoted events. I said, me? Yeah. I said, why is that? They said, because you're outspoken. Because you talk about things that they hate. And they, just be careful. It's what they basically tell me was that.

So there's been a shift in the dynamics since Charlie Kirk's assassination. Can I just say, though? I'm sure you felt it as well. Honestly, I know that's real, and it's something that's been like an unspoken thing underneath the tour the whole time. But thank you for doing this, notwithstanding the threat. Of course. And thanks to you guys for being here, notwithstanding the threat.

It's balls to the wall time. like we are all citizen soldiers right now even just in showing up here it took a lot of guts because it is a highly threatened threatening environment and not for one second did you consider canceling because i know you and that's that's the way we fight back we show up we do our thing we sing the songs we stand tall there's risk involved but there's risk involved in everything there's risk involved in driving to the airport there's risk involved in everything we do this risk actually matters. This risk actually drives us to something that is unifying, right?

Just sitting here with each other. It's like church. All these like-minded people who have the same mission generally in life, and we all have each other's backs, and you know that. You don't feel isolated. You feel that unity that is like uplifting gives you the power to do the next thing. And then on top of that, you get a John Rich song. What the, what blessings are we having here tonight?

You and I've been friends a long time. Would you like to hear the story of the first time I met, Megan Kelly, you want to hear that? Can I tell them? Yeah. So I was watching Fox News and there's Megan Kelly and Bill Hammer. What year was that, by the way? 2007. We launched that show and it lasted until 2009 and then I went to the afternoon. Okay. I thought it was about 0708, so I was right about that. Thank God. So Megan was up there killing it with Bill and, you know, doing her thing every day. and I remember hearing you say that, yeah, Bill, I'm taking guitar lessons. And I went, oh, what is she to say?

Oh, she wants to play a guitar, does she? And then I get a call from Fox News and they say, yeah, we'd like you to come on with Megan and Bill and talk about whatever the subject was. I said, yeah, the answer is yes. And then I immediately called Gibson guitars. And I said, hello Gibson guitars, I would like to have a Gibson J-45 maid with the name Megan, M-E-G-Y-N, right down the neck and Mother of Pearl, because I want to give it to her. And they said, okay, how much time do we have? I said, two weeks. They said, I'm not sure we can do that. I said, well, you're going to have to get her done because I'm going to New York.

They said, all right, we'll get it done. We'll get it done. So beautiful. So I handed you that guitar live on television. So my question is, if I handed you this guitar, could you play a G chord on it right now? I could play a G chord. Can you play a G chord? What do you got? Let's see if she can play a G chord.

I prefer to have the cable. Yes. Oh, she got it. That was it. Yes. I got an E. You got an E minor? Yeah, minor.

There we go. You got an E minor. got a D? Okay, so you can play 90% of all country music if you know those three chords. A round of applause for Megan Kelly, a guitar picker, honky talker. Here's some happy news. While I have not been practicing my Gibson guitar in quite some time, though I did spend a lot of time

practicing it when I first got it. My son, who is backstage, has picked it up, John Rich. Wonderful. And he is now practicing on the Gibson guitar. Well, I'm happy and sorry for you at the same time. because Lord knows what happens next. Maybe you could do as the honor of showing him what that practice could turn into. Would you like to hear some John Rich music?

I would love to do that. I would love to hear something. Whatever you want to play. What do you want to play? Do you want me to play? Could you? Okay. All right.

So I busted my guitar. This is the backup. Thanks to your team for bringing me one. There are Chinese parts on this guitar, so it doesn't work as good as the, American version. Can I get a hell? Yeah, one time. Let's see what you can do with the Chinese version. So being that today is the 60th anniversary of November 8th, 1965, I just want to sing this song. Me and my friend Big Tenney, a big and rich. Brick and Rich. We wrote this song after we met

this man in the great state of South Dakota, Deadwood, South Dakota. We were, went all the way back to Vietnam with him. The only thing he had from that battle was he still had the boots that were on his feet. They cut the boots off before they put him in the hospital and somehow or another, he wound up with him. They were covered in mud, covered in blood. He was one of three that survived that day. And there's a big song in the big and rich world called the 8th of November. And so I wanted to sing this. and dedicated to all of our veterans tonight, all of our active duty, all the boys and girls overseas in harm's way, and the 13 plus that never came back from Afghanistan, and we know

that is total horseshit. We will never get over it. We will never forgive you for that, ever. I want our veterans to know that the civilians fill your pain. We appreciate you. We appreciate you. Your sacrifice means something to us. So I'm going to sing this song on nothing but a microphone not my backup Chinese guitar.

I'll leave that for save a horse ride a cowboy here in a minute. Said goodbye to his mom. Has he left South Dakota to fight for the red white and blue He was 19 and green

Where the new M-16 Just doing what he had to do He was dropped in the jungle Where the choppers would rumble With the smell of napalm in the air And then the sergeant said Look up ahead like a dark evil cloud

twelve hundred came down on him and twenty-nine more they fought for their lives but most of them died in the one seventy-third airborne on the eighth of November the angels were crying as he carried his brothers away

wet the fire raining down and the hell all around there were few men left standing that day saw the eagle fly through a clear blue sky in 1965 on the 8th of November But the battle still plays in his head. And he limps when he walks, but he's strong when he talks. About the strap, no, they're left in his leg. He puts on a gray suit over his earbone tattoo as he ties it on one time a year. And remembers the falling as he orders a tall one. follows it down with his tears on the 8th of November the angels were crying as he carried his brothers away

wet the fire raining down and the hell all around there were few men left standing that day saw the eagle fly through a clear blue sky and 19 65 On the 8th November Said goodbye to his mama As he left South Dakota To fight for the red, white and blue He was 19 and green

With a new M16 Just doing What he has to do So Wow Wow That was

So beautiful God bless our veterans in active duty God bless y'all Amen Wow That was incredible What a tribute We got to go

because we've got to bring on Adam Carolla, but we are not letting you out of here without a little... I don't know, anybody in the mood to save a horse, ride a cowboy? A little song you may have heard of? You know, Megan, when I sing this song, Save a Horse, ride a Cowboy.

Let me play this for a minute, make sure their sound man's got it. Is this thing even work? It's no Gibson. You getting it out there? Oh, there it is. There we go. I will admit, I used to have a crush on Megan Kelly, big time.

Oh, go on. Guys, guys, all the men in the crowd tonight, if you're being honest, at one point or another, did you have a total crush on Megan Kelly? Raise your hand. Big time in the front row. You better watch it, my big brother's here. Give me some more guitar. I'm going to tear the strings.

out this Chinese sucker. This might be the greatest thing the Chinese ever gave us a guitar to sing on Megan Kelly's show tonight. Here we go. This is one of the dumbest songs ever written in country music. But it caused a small baby boom

in the early 2000s. Can I get a hell yeah? Hell yeah. And it goes like this. Yeah, while I walk into the room, passing our hundred-dollar bills and a thrill, like the horns on my silver-rottled grill. High by the bar, triple round a crown, everybody's getting down at this town. It ain't never going to be the same.

Y'all sing it, because I said, I love my o's, and I ride in. to the city. I make a lot of noise, cause the girls are so pretty. Crying up and down, well, my old stuff me was. And the girls say, Say, say, say, oh, trying to cowboys.

Everybody says, say, say, say, boy, try to cowboy. Yeah, well, I don't give a damn about nothing. I'm singing and bling, bling, while the girls sing it, girls, long decks down, and I wouldn't Straight old Leroy, my Chevrolet for your Escalade, your freak parade. I'm the only John Wayne left in this town, and I saddle up my horse.

I ride into the city. I make a lot of noise, because the girls ain't all so pretty. Be riding up and down blind away, my old scudny one. And the girl, say, Say, Rose, trying to count for. Everybody says, save us. Are you having a good time with Megan Kelly tonight? Come on.

All right, this is the audience participation part. Well, I'm a thoroughbred. That's what she said in the back of my truck bed as we was getting buzzed on suds. Backcountry road. We were flying high, flying as wine, having ourselves a Megan Kelly kind of time. I was going about as far as she did.

Let me go. Yo, get your hands up. But her evaluation of my cowboy reputation had me begging for salvation on our phone. There you go. I took around digging frogs, introduced her to my old bird dog. Sing every Gretchen Wilson song I could think of we made love, and I satel of my old.

I ride into the city. I make a lot of noise, cause the girls they all So pretty. Be riding up and down run away. My old stood me rock. And the girl say, Say, oh, trying a cowboy. Everybody says, save us, ride a cowboy.

What, what? Save us, ride a cowboy. Come on, Georgia. Everybody sing it. Save us. Put your hands together for Miss Megan Kelly one time rocking the great state of Georgia. You're the best.

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Honestly, just a follow-up to that guitar. story, he told you. There was one day I was sitting there in America's newsroom with Bill, a hammer, and we were doing a story about a fire that had taken over somebody's whole block, and it was one of those things. The people had, like, two seconds to grab one thing and run, and Hammer asked me, like, if you had two seconds to grab something in your house, one thing, and run, what would it be? And I said,

I think it would be my John Rich Gibson guitar. And John was watching, he sent me a note immediately saying, darling, if your house catches on fire, you just run. I'll get you another guitar. You don't worry about that. Such a good guy. Okay. We have our final act.

Love you too. This is a great show. Are you guys having fun? Like tonight's, it's really good. Yes. My next guest may be the funniest, most entertaining person I've ever met. I love his dry, sarcastic, don't give an F, sense of humor. All you have to do with Adam Carole is really toss out any topic and then be quiet.

if you want to be entertained and I will say though we don't really love Jimmy Kimmel there is something I love about his friendship with Jimmy Kimmel right it's just kind of good to remember that you can have diametrically opposed politics with somebody

and still love him and hold on to the friendship like those two have somehow managed to do all these years after starring in the man show and being on radio together so we have a little sizzle for you for Adam Crowla and then we will bring the man himself out to meet you.

You can't cancel me. I've already, I'm already canceled. I'm not fucking apologize any, you assholes. And by the way, you don't accept apologies. That's what I figured out from these people. You're like the one person I know who seems totally uninterested in what the woke people say and totally unbothered by their attacks.

There's a sort of freedom in not care. There's a real freedom in not care. The only thing in California that's not on fire are the homeless. That's all there is. I got yelled out. Somebody asked me about AOC, and I said, listen, if AOC was fat and in her 60s, would anyone listen to another thing she ever said?

Oh, boy, you're going to step in that one. And everyone is like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa, what? I do have a way to get Biden out of there. When he says, I'm running for a second term, you say, but this is your second term. I wrote a tweet, it said COVID kills old people and it kills sick people and the rest of you just got played. And who's getting playing next time? You got to take that tweet down.

I was like, can't do it. I'm talking about this fucking hysteria. It's not going to work. It scares this shit out of the kids. Governor, why did you shut the beaches in California during COVID? And you arrested a guy who was paddleboarding in the bay. Keep in mind, Newsom is a narcissistic sociopath, douchebag. All progressive guys cross their legs like women.

Davin Newsom, watch them all. Watch them how they cross their legs, and then watch how Trump crosses his life. Put the diamond in front of his testicles. Right. So there's Trump with the diamond. His diamond, which accentuates his nuts at. And then you have Justin Trudeau signaling, I have no ball. Adam Guerrola, everyone!

So funny. Insider joke. Insider joke. Take a look at how he's sitting. Yeah. Now you could get Justin Trudeau and Obama's nutsack in between these thighs. It is crazy. I've been studying the deep leg cross, and it's all progressive men do that. One, Trudeau does it to expose his colorful sock. That's how you know.

he's on the right team. And then he does this deep thing. I can't, I wish I could. I can't, and I also can't scratch the back of my head because of my biceps. They're so, I actually travel with a guy in case the back of my head itches because of the guns. I'm checking my sot list because there was one that I wanted to kick it off with. I can't find the number, but my team knows which one it is. I wanted to get Adam Carolla's reaction

to Zoran Mamdani the other night I can't find it but my team's better than I am he was out there the other night he was saying thank you to everybody who put him in office and it was like listening to somebody

at the UN translate every single speaker who was coming up next it was literally everyone in New York who was foreign born and not a single American that he wanted to think. Do we have it? Let's find out together. Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city

who made this movement their own. I speak of Yemeni Bodega owners and Mexican-A-Waz Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses. Trinidadian Lian Cucs and Ethiopian Antis.

It's all part of this crazy race hustle, which we all thought was sort of over like 30 years ago, and then Obama got put into office, and it got put on creatine, and they ratcheted it up a problem that doesn't exist and was gone a long time ago. And it's really weird, and it's sad, and it's also super irresponsible to pit cultures against each other. and then you come in as the savior who fights for all the cultures somehow, just like you fight for the LGBT and the trans and all communities. And it's really grotesque and it's super narcissistic, too. Explain that, explain that. I've heard you say that.

Well, I mean, so the plan is, first off, half the time it comes from white women who just go, like, I'm just going to swing in and rescue all your cultures. and speak for all of you and all your cultures. But it's also, it's a step backwards in terms of what this nation has done and is doing and it was about. I mean, this notion that we're living in Alabama, 1953, is really a pathetic notion. And it's also a really dangerous notion for politicians to put out there constantly because it does, get people killed. I mean, if you are a black man and a cop pulls you over and you think you have a target on your back, then why not try to attack the cop and get his gun away or take off or never

comply? So, in Obama did most of this race hustling. And it's really sad. And I should say the Obamas, because we could have, with the Obamas and with the help of Oprah or LeBron James or many of the other luminaries in that community, they could have sent a different message, and they did not. They just kept the hustle. Michelle Obama is still sending the message, how aggrieved she is, how hard it is to be her. And she tells these stories like, well, you don't know what it's like being black because you go in to buy. ice cream and people cut in front of you in line. You know, like, she just names all the

shit that happens to us all the time. Exactly, yeah. But she thinks it's because she's black. Yes, this week she was railing about how you don't understand black women have to straighten their hair and it takes a long time to straighten their hair. I'm like, do you have any idea how long it tastes to get this hair to look like this? I just wake up with toddler

hair in the morning. Like, every woman spends a long time on her hair. And this week, she's bitching about how she has to have a hair and makeup and a wardrobe team. And it's not a luxury. It was a necessity, a necessity, because what woman buys off the rack? What? Literally all of us.

I love women's racks. I think that's what you're saying, right? I kind of tuned out with the hair part, but then when you brought up the rack, I jumped back. I brought it home. Yeah, you brought it home. So now I'm listening. I may even do a song. Where's my guitar?

That damn it. Did John take my car? guitar. I put it out here before the show. I told him, don't touch the guitar. Now he plays my guitar and he strikes it. Speaking of hot, how about your little bit on AOC? Where does she fall on the hotness scale now? Oh, AOC. I mean, it was so funny because I did say that thing about her on Hannity, and Hannity had to pretend like he didn't know what I was talking about. It's so funny because after I said that, you know, if she was fat and from Minnesota and middle age, no one would want to hear a word she had to say, right?

That was my O-C-TIC. And after that, people would say to me, what did you really mean when you said that? And I said, I think it was pretty evident. It's pretty clear. We would not listen to her. You, we would listen to. not as much well I mean come on the package helps

but we would still listen to you just not as frequently but we would listen because you no because you're beautiful but you have a message too that's what I'm saying she's just a look how about Kamala Harris oh god

well okay so she all right so we need to get serious for a second here. There is a problem, and people are writing articles on it, and I've been sort of getting into it lately, which is a thing called gyno-fascism. And it's basically too many women with too many women ideas making too many decisions. And I don't mean you. No. No, well, no, here's, but here's what I'm saying. You know, people like yourself, do not, you have a much more masculine perspective on, on problem solving, but the aforementioned

Justin Trudeau. He's a gyno-fascist? He is female in his, in his thinking. No, Gavin Newsom thinks like a woman, and Margaret Thatcher has a male perspective. And so when it comes to, like, Kamala, that's where all the word. salad comes in. That's where all the talk, all the, I mean, Mandami's in office because, I don't know, 84% of women under 31 voted for him. He says nothing. It's all Pablum, and it's all part of the process talk. She just talks about, you know, a seat at the table where all the children

of the world can feel, like, you know, world-class health care and education and no child should ever go to bed hungry and all this kind of stuff. And it's eaten up. And I think women respond much more to that than a guy saying, look, we're going to storm Normandy Beach. We're probably going to lose about 8,019-year-old dudes. But we'll win the war. Yes.

Friends of ours have like this old Jeep, like really beat up. I don't know how old it is, but it's beat up. and it's got a bumper sticker on the back. These are guys, and it reads, no airbags, we die like real men. Yeah, like I want to be killed by an antler. That's how male I am. I'm not saying how it's going to happen.

I could fall asleep under a fireplace, drunk, and it could fall off the wall. But either way, I'm going. by an antler, or it'll come through the windshield on a country road. An antler, okay. I talked to John backstage. He says he knows a guy who can see to that. What kind of energy does Katie Porter have?

Oh, my God. She can be your next governor if you're lucky. Listen, first off, I was early money on hating Katie Porter. You guys, you're all bandwagoners who just, you just, you just, jumped on the Katie Porter hate train 10 minutes ago. There was a thing about five or six years ago that I responded to, which was, I think it was a bank. It was Washington Mutual B of A. It was one of the big banks put a thing out and said, like, here's how you can save money. Don't buy coffee at the Starbucks, make your own coffee. And don't order an Uber, walk to the place, you know, and stop

eating out at restaurants. Make your own food and save money. So this is a bank telling its clientele, hey, here's a good way to save money. Stop going out and spending it all on sushi and Starbucks and everything else and Ubers. And Katie Porter had to write the bank and write a tweet to basically say, hey, rich elitist, why don't you start paying your employees a living wage blah, blah, blah. And that was like six years ago, and I was like, all right, I'm done with this cow. I'm done because all that was, but it's a bigger, it's a bigger problem because it's a, it's a war on traditional values.

It's a war on what got us here, and it's a war on what works. You know what I mean? Like, my thing is just, you want to lose weight? Diet and exercise. Family and education. Like, real basic stuff. and they're constantly attacking what is and what works, you know. And she's attacking Washington Mutual for just saying things your grandfather would have told you to do.

Like if you said, a grandpa, I'm not saving enough money. You go, well, stop spending it at Starbucks and start making your own meals or pack your own lunch or whatever that is. So she was early money along with Liz Warren on that subject, and that's when I learned to hate her. I have to say, assumes facts not in evidence, I do not hate her, I actually love her. Oh, you do? I can't get enough of her. I mean, I really hope she gets the nomination. I hope she becomes your next governor.

I hope we have her to kick around for many, many years to come. I'll look forward to the next time she's triggered, and I can only hope that a camera will be nearby. Well, her yelling at underlings is the only thing I liked about the woman, I must say. Explain that. Okay. There may be some truth in that. I am here to tell you, as somebody who's been on camera quite a few times, when stuff goes wrong, somewhere at some point you do tend to yell.

You know, you go Bill O'Reilly, do it live! We'll do it live! Fuck it! Yeah. I did hear you doing a bit about how some people who work for you believe there's just no pleasing at him. There's just no pleasing him. I know. my answer to that is why don't you try me

try it let's conduct a wild experiment you do some of the stuff I ask you to do once in a while and let's just see how bitter I am because I bet it works it's a radical experiment but we could try it

there is pleasing me yes I could be pleased not by Katie Porter I would close my eyes. You'd be with Justin Trudeau in her. Yeah.

I mean, on one hand, she would stop talking. I was going to go into a song after that. I lost my train of thought entirely. I'm just picturing that. Oh, God.

My eyes. I think I was going to ask you about your friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, but let's table that. Let's table that. I want to start with Gavin Newsom. The other, you know, the sitting governor. Yes. Do you recommend him as our next president? The sitting governor. You know, he was born a poor black child.

I know. I love his hard scramble. I love his, I love his, I love. I love it. Everyone slept in their car. Everyone had it tough. Rich people were like lower middle class. You know, I love... He was just like you and your mom.

Okay. First off, I'll tell you what poor was like, people. But first up, they always give it away. They always give it away. They go, oh, no, I was real lower middle class. I had to work for everything I had. No, blue collar all the way. Anyway, my first year at Cambridge.

And I'm like, Cambridge. How'd you get there? What are you talking about? Yeah, I grew up poor, you know, food stamps and welfare and blue collar and construction and never went to college and, you know, drove pickup trucks and all that kind of stuff, which, yeah, I don't know. I don't know when it became in vogue recently. When I was poor, it wasn't popular to be poor.

It was difficult to be poor, but now it's very popular to be poor. and Newsom tries to do it. He did it on my podcast. He did this single mom hard scrabble BS with me. His dad was a judge and his dad

was also like head counsel for Getty Oil. I mean basically his dad worked with the richest family in America and Gavin Newsome was buddies with all the Gettys. He was featured in a magazine

with the caption, Children of the Rich. Yes. And now he wants us to believe he's the product of destitution Derby. I was in a magazine called Children of the Corn, which is different. It was very difficult in that field growing up with the poverty.

I do remember we had a cat, you know, poor guy's stories, but we had a cat that sort of just adopted us, you know, just sort of showed up at our house one day. And we went to go try to buy cat food at the market, and the lady said, we couldn't use our food stamps to buy cat food. But she did give it to us because my mom promised her we'd be eating the cat food. No, but now everyone's going to, you know, jack in the box and buying, you know, you who's and everything. Like, what the hell?

No. So like Gavin Newsom, I was also born a poor black child, and I found this out later in life when my mom, and my brother's mom, who, she was a big garage sale fan. She still is a big garage sale fan, and she went out, she's like 70 years old, and she comes home with her latest purchase from the garage sale, and it's this sweatshirt, and on the front of the sweatshirt reads Fubu. Do you know what that is? for us, by us? It's a black thing. Well, it's actually a blackonym. Yeah, it's a blackonym.

It's not for 70-year-old white women. No, it is not. Yeah. That was the first moment I realized we were black. Yeah. Could I use that. My mom wore a tap-out hoodie for several years. Not even an MMA fan.

Just garage stale. Yeah. I'll give me a secondhand story. I'll be a one-upper or one-downer. We was all thrift shops. We did a lot of thrift shop in and everything we bought. And my mom would get sofas off the curb and tuck the sheet in, you know, and the whole nine yards. And my sister had a glass that she got from the thrift shop, and she drank out of it every day for like eight years.

And it was a thick slab, weird kind of tall thing graduated, had like numbers on the side. but it was cute. We got at the thrift store and my sister drank out for like eight years and then one day a friend of the family came over and I guess

they were a physician or something and this thing was sitting out and he walked up to it goes oh look at that. It's one of those old-time urine collectors. Oh no! Yeah like

Civil War veterans with gonorrhea peed into that before my sister got hold of it. Oh, God. And it was interesting, because after she drank from it for a while, I remember I said to her, what's going on?

She went, what, tarnation? And I was like, then she threw her hat on the ground when she was angry. So maybe it got to her. I don't know. You could live forever with those kind of immunities. That's the only upshot when something goes really wrong. We were walking down the street in New York City when my littlest, she's now 12, was like three, four.

and he's lagging behind, we're like, where's Thatcher? What happened at Thatcher? We look back, this is New York. Look back, he's literally back there licking the scaffolding of a New York City building. The child's going to live to be 200 on the bright side. Kid loves construction. He does, just like you. I do. I love construction. I mean, I didn't like it when I was building other people's houses.

I've got to say, but now that I'm working on my own stuff, I do enjoy. So what I love about you is notwithstanding your humble beginnings and your construction background, your ability to work with your hands, you are also, you will have the gift of gab, you have the rhetorical gifts, and you use them to make us laugh. Now, some of your brethren in the comedy field choose to use their gifts, not at all. They've checked all willingness to want to make us laugh and only want to make us think about their opinions, how smart they are, how much better than us they are. are. And that brings me to Stephen Colbert. I'm going somewhere with this. We have a little sound queued up because he's been, I don't know why he's doing promo, probably to save his dying show, which has already been canceled. And for some reason, they let him have some seven-month hiatus where he can stay on the air and just plead victimhood. But here he is explaining why he's so

important to you and why you really need him. And this is why you love him. Watch. I'm curious what you feel like the great affirmative cases for a show like yours. I should shows like mine continue to exist or like Kimmel or Jimmy or wherever. And I said that everyone plays a great affection, which is why I said, why? Oh, we're like your friend who at the end of the day paid attention to the news more than you did. And you're aware of it. You just didn't do the detail work that we did. And then we curate that back to you at the end of the day.

But it's really more about how we feel about her. I as the person who met, who like is the vehicle for that, how we felt about. today. All those things that might have made you confused or angry or or anxious or happy or surprise or something like that. I feel that way at the camera or to the audience, really. I'm really performing for the audience and the camera captures it. Thank you, right? His sacrifice. The most amazing thing about that is, first of all, yes, they used to want to make us laugh. But second of all, the number of times

with the I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, and the dismissivenessness. I have actually said to the audience before, I understand you have busy lives, you have jobs, you have families. You definitely probably do not sit there all day looking at every headline and refreshing it, and that's what we in the news business do. But the way he said that was so condescending. Like, I read the news, you don't read.

I know more than you do. His arrogance is oozing out of his pores, and he wants to use all of that to educate. us because these clearly are better. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it goes back to college and the college campus and sort of where a lot of these people come from because a lot of these guys are academia-type guys

and Conan O'Brien's like a Harvard guy. There's like a lot of Ivy League sort of eliteism. And I think somebody said a sense of humor is some sort of marker for intelligence. and they all just jumped on it and held it with both hands and it can be true sometimes but

these guys and you know I don't want to get in the eye game like Colbert did but these guys haven't been in the real world for a long time you know it's been 30 some odd you know it's basically college college

goes through to, you know, doing the groundlings or improv troops, which are more like-minded people and then on to the Daily Show and then, you know, John Stewart and everything else. And they've really, they talk about common people or hardworking people or working men or the middle class or anything. They have disdain for those people. And that's why not going to college is like the end of the world for these guys. I'm always telling people, get a trade, go to trade school, we need, you won't be replaced by AI. If you can, you know, if you can do some, you know, if you can sweat copper pipes and, you know, turn a wrench and, you know, build, use a nail gun, frame a house. Like, you're not going to get replaced by a robot.

So learn a trade. But these guys are elitist and Colbert's and elitist. Also, it's why they don't know what they sound like when they talk, because they don't realize they haven't been in that world for a long time. And like I said, they have a certain amount of disdain for those who are. Does it also explain why they look at Trump the way they do? Yes. Well, Trump, okay, so the thing about Trump that you guys may not know is his background is as a commercial builder, right?

And commercial builders are always in a hurry because it's always like, well, the foundation's done, but now the framing, but what's holding up the framing, where are the doors and the windows, where's the drywall crew, where's the HVAC crew, like, where's the pipe fitters? Like, it's always like, who's next, who's next, who's next. And they're always in a hurry. And also, you've got to realize if you're a big time commercial builder, you need substance. subcontractors, really good subcontractors who work with you all the time and have been there for many years. So he has to surround himself with people who can get the job done. That's basically Trump is the lead and these are all his subcontractors. But if you ever see that tape of Trump coming down to Los Angeles after the fires in sitting with Karen Bass, my mayor, who is not a builder, she's more of a destroyer.

and who is in no hurry to do anything and may suffer from a little gyno-fascism, he, Trump is sitting there, and he's going, let's go, let's go. People need to clear their lots. They can start tonight. They should be able to do it themselves. It's their lot. And she's like, slow it down, take it down.

And he's like, no, but hurry. And she's like, no, no, no, no, safety, safety. Just slow it down. And that's kind of the difference with Trump. You can see the sort of commercial builder in him. I mean, he literally is constantly like, hurry. What's next? What do you make of all the gilding at the White House he's doing?

The gilding? Yeah, like the gold all over everything. Are we pro or anti? Oh, no, no. I would, look, I got to be honest, I would make fun of it if someone else was doing it. But that's my job, you know. Yes. That's my job.

That's not what you do when you build a house. You know, gold leaf doesn't have a lot of architectural integrity in terms of strength, like it doesn't have a good sheer strength. No, it is kind of funny how much gold is in that place. I can make the case for it because I'm thinking, like, if you're married to Melania Trump and you've got to build a house around Melania, there has to be some gilding, does there not? You can't put her in like the double wide. No, no.

No, she doesn't like bad paneling. She doesn't, she won't cook off a George Foreman grill. I found that out the hard way. Story for another day. A long time ago. Yeah, she needs like a refrigerator with a window in it. Yes. Or at least a mirror.

That's what I'd do if I were Melania. Now, how about you? Tell me about your love life because you got a divorce a few years ago. Yes. And I think you got back on that horse. Did you not? Yeah, I did, although she doesn't like it

when I call her a horse. Learn that the hard way, too. Yeah, I have a younger girlfriend now, which is nice. you know, but oh, hoy, hoy, hoi, oh, yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, it's what happens when you get divorced in Hollywood.

You get a younger girlfriend, you know? Was that difficult for you? Like, to learn how to date again? No, I actually enjoyed it. But I got to say, I was, it was, it was a crazy story. I was doing, I was doing a comedy show and my girlfriend as a comedian as well was putting on the comedy show

it was like a corporate thing and I saw her there and she was like so beautiful and everything and when I was talking to her for a while and at the end she just said you know I got all these beautiful young friends who are single and I said oh good because I'm getting divorced

so why don't we try to set up this old guy because I need a horse to mount no wonder that worked yeah and she tried to set me up with her friends but didn't work and I ended up going out with her you were the consolation prize that's right okay

so do you think marriage could be in your future again or you're moving past that yeah I think I think I can do it now now that I'm going to die pretty soon I think I don't think it's something you want to do in your early 20s because that's a long time especially with modern science. But now that I got one foot in the grave,

yeah, I could see myself. You're such a romantic at heart. Well, you're the one who called her horse. Do you guys argue a lot? She's Iraqi, so she has, you know, she's hot-blooded, I guess I call it, a little passionate, you know what I mean? She knows how to argue. When you have a fight, are you, like, my husband needs to make up right away.

He can't have me mad at him. Like, he needs to make up. I'm like, you know, I'm half Italian Irish. I'm like, I need a minute. Yeah, I, you know, it's a, there's a lot that I've learned over the years. And what I've really learned is just because you're right doesn't mean you can argue. And that's basically what I'd like to pass along. You guys know what I'm talking about, right?

it's still it's still a no win situation so I tend to just sort of button my lip and I put my head down and I just keep walking you know what I mean yeah yeah

like Dr. Phil says how can you win when the person you love is losing yeah that's that's true and I do it is one of those things where I really used to just think look if you're right, then you stand up for what you're right about, and you, you know,

you just make your point, and then you get your hand held in victory, and then you win. But there are no winners in that arena, is what I've figured out. And also, I just realized that, you know, I think they call it the, I don't know, discretion is the better part of valor or something like it. Just basically shut up and watch TV. Yeah, that's right. That's definitely true if you want any action whatsoever again in your life. Yeah.

All right, so let's spend a minute on Jimmy Kimmel because it seems like a modern miracle that the two of you maintained your friendship. We started the night by talking about how many people here have lost a friend or lost a family member because of their politics. And like at least 60% of the hands went up. So how on earth have you guys maintained that friendship? Well, Jimmy, okay, a couple things. Jimmy got me into show business, essentially. I was his boxing coach, and it was sort of a nutty story.

I don't know if you know it or if I've told you this one or not. Yeah, I do it on the radio. Yeah, he was doing a radio, and he was boxing as a morning show stunt, and they needed a trainer, and I showed up. And so he worked very hard to get me out of boxing training and out of carpentry and into the radio, which he did. So I have, I've always been indebted to him because I really, I cannot, I think you'll probably share this, which is there's nothing worse than an ingrate.

Like when you help somebody and you take care of someone and you open a door for that person, you make the introduction and you do the whatever, and then at some point down the road, they treat you like shit or pretend like they don't know you. And it's like, come on. man, I got you into this, you know? And it's such a horrible trait in a person. And I just think if somebody opened a door for you and somebody helped you and somebody really made a difference in your life, you must take that one to the grave. You cannot turn your back on that.

And so that was like number one for me. Number two, we were always great friends. And politics had nothing to do with our lives. lives, much like a lot of you. It just didn't exist. I don't know, you know, we're hanging around Los Angeles. It's 1996. We're trying to do comedy. I don't even know who the governor is, and I don't care, and he doesn't either. You know what I mean? And it's a neither, it was a neither here nor there kind of thing. And so it doesn't have to be front and center to any relationship. It's politics. It's sort of, you know, family and friendship. And,

and faith and other things to start with an F, I guess, you know, all above, you know, and then at some point you can talk politics, but we never, we never did. So, and also I know him as a very good, um, dedicated person, father, friend, you know, treats my kids, you know, I literally, you know, the calm uncle. Jimmy and so on and so forth. So I, you know, I think there's a thing that happens, which is you guys know the version of him that you see on TV or on your phone or whatever, and I know another version of him, which is a completely different version, very generous, very magnanimous, literally the most gracious person I've ever met, you know, sending gifts for the kids' birthday,

you know, every year and so on and so forth. I know who he is. Politics was never a thing. To be fair to him, he doesn't, he's never done it to me either. It's not, you know, it's kind of a, you know, it's a two-way street. I say things that are horrible according to his constituency all the time. And, and vice versa. And he never uses it as an example to, you know, disinvite me to any party or, or anything like that. I do think that's the key. Like having friendship, I have a lot of friendships with people who are Democrats and liberals and do not share my politics. And I have one friend who's actually woke and was on board with the whole BLM and marching and the whole thing. And we just don't talk about politics.

You know, there are so many things you can talk about other than politics. I love her like a sister. There's nothing I wouldn't do for her. We just table all that stuff. And I do think it's important to remind people it's possible. And I think it's the beginning of reconnecting in the wake of Charlie. Now, we're not going to be friends with people who want us dead. That's a totally different thing.

but people who are normal leftists well liberals I guess I'll say normal liberals are still worth reaching out to I think it's the solution that plus going back to church are the solutions to our problems yeah we don't we'll get together we don't talk politics we'll just talk about what a

douche Colbert is that can keep you going all night yeah and on that note we gotta let you go thank you all so much for being here What a great night, Atlanta. I'm going to miss you when we're gone. Next time I come down to visit Pete, I'm calling you all up.

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