The Megyn Kelly Show - EXCLUSIVE: Four Veterans Speak Out About Tim Walz's "Stolen Valor" and Truth About Retiring Before Iraq Deployment | Ep. 876

Episode Date: September 2, 2024

Megyn Kelly is joined by four veterans who served in the National Guard with Gov. Tim Walz and in his unit that deployed to Iraq, Tom Behrends, Paul Herr, Tom Schilling, and Rodney Tow, to talk about all the controversies surrounding the Democratic VP pick and his military service, why it matters when Walz retired just before his National Guard unit deployed to Iraq, why he had to know he was going to deploy before he retired, the relevance of his rank and his leadership role to how he abandoned his troops, what Walz told them at the time, his decision to run for Congress and whether that service counts, and why it matters Tim Walz has called himself a "retired command sergeant major" when he isn't one, the training that goes into retiring as a command sergeant major, the truth about Walz's public comments, the accusations that there's a political motive behind the veterans speaking out now, why Walz's motivations to portray himself as more decorated than he is are actually political, how Walz denigrated the National Guard with his "19-year-old cooks" comment, the truth about the National Guard and how incompetent Walz really is, how Walz' unit lost a 19-year-old in Iraq when Walz retired and left his men behind, what it means for Walz to potentially be one heartbeat away from the presidency, fear vs. bravery and Walz's wrong decision, why the veterans say Walz is a "coward" and "deserter," whether it's relevant that Donald Trump never served in the military, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I'm Megyn Kelly. A special episode for you today on stolen valor. That term has been thrown around quite a bit when it comes to Governor Tim Walls, the running mate of Kamala Harris in this race, in connection with his National Guard service. Many men who served with Governor Walz when he was in the National Guard and who served under him have come forward to accuse him of that sin, stealing valor from the men he served with by inflating his military rank and by abandoning his men when they were deployed to Iraq. He was supposed to go and he chose not to. He's also said that he used a weapon in war,

which he hasn't. He was never deployed to war. He was deployed to Italy for a short time in 2003. But when his unit got the notice that they were being deployed to Iraq, Tim Walz retired. And that has led to a lot of folks saying he abandoned his unit. He cut and ran and he left the guys he trained to go fight on their own without the guy who trained them. Tim Walz has been battling this for a long, long time. He's been accused by many men of leaving the unit and inflating his rank falsely for the better part of 20 years now, since he left his unit back in 2005. And it's been brought to his attention. It's been brought to the attention of his campaign office, both when he was a congressman, when he was a governor, when he was announced as VP. He never does anything about it.

He never really speaks out about it. Just surrogates come out to defend him. So what do these guys think? Well, we've gotten four of them together for the first time to tell us directly what they think and speak to the actual experience they had with Tim Walz and how they feel about what he did. The four men that we've gathered together, maybe one of them familiar to you, and that's Tom Behrens. He's been on the show before. He actually is a retired command sergeant major.

That is the rank that Tim Walls says he is. It's not true. And Tom Behrens is the man who did go to Iraq when that unit was deployed. Also with us today is Paul Herr. He too is a retired command sergeant major and he knew Tim Walz and was there when they were told that they were about to get a notice telling them to deploy to Iraq and can speak to when Tim Walz knew that news was coming

and what Tim Walz said to him about his plans in that regard. Today, you'll also meet Rodney Tao. Rodney is a retired first sergeant, and he too was in the National Guard unit. He and Tim Walls were peers. They served within the same battalion. He knew Tim Walls well. And you will also meet today Tom Schilling, who's a retired sergeant first class. He did deploy to Iraq the same deployment that Tim Walz abandoned. And he will share with us for the first time his thoughts on this controversy. We are grateful to all of them for their honesty, for their candor, and for their courage, not only in servicing us all on the battlefield, but in coming forward, which has created a national firestorm around Tim Walz. Yes, but he's put himself out there as a public figure,

but also around them. And for just telling the truth in a firestorm, they didn't want to create. They tried to handle it privately without ever publicly embarrassing him, but he refused to do the right thing. That's what they claim. And they're here today to tell you their story directly.

Gentlemen, thank you all so much for being here. Really appreciate it. And thank you for your service. You're welcome. Let me just get your ranks and your experience on the record so that our audience understands who we're talking to. Tom Behrens, we'll start with you because you've been on the show before. You are a retired command sergeant major and served with a 125 field artillery 1st Brigade Combat Team. That's the unit that Tim Walsh was in.

That is correct. Okay. And then to your side, we have Paul Herr. Correct. And you're also a retired command sergeant major from a different division, though. Same division. Different brigade. how do you say yeah i was yeah i was a brigade sergeant major so the battalions like one of the one two five fell under me okay not at the time but later on but at the time that tim walls doing his thing. I was, I was a battalion

command sergeant major like Tom at a different unit. And so would you have been above him or lateral to him and just in a different unit? Balls? Yeah.

At the time, I would have been lateral. Okay. We would have been peers. Okay. Ronnie Tao. And it's Company G-134 Brigade Support Battalion. So is this, this is actually his unit as well, is it not? This is, this unit was permanently attached to one of the 125 as their support element. So you knew Tim Walz?

I knew him very well. Okay. Okay. Very good. And last but not least, we've got Tom Schilling, retired Sergeant First Class. And you were in the unit that deployed to Iraq. Is that correct, Tom? That's correct. Okay. That Tim Walz did not deploy with. That's another correct. Yeah.

Okay. All right. So there's so much going on with this issue. And we're being told by Tim Walz, by Kamala Harris and by their supporters that this is this is a nothing burger. There's no there there. And I'm just going to tee up some of the reaction for you with this congressman, Adam Smith, who came on my program last week. He's a Democrat from California, and he defended Tim Walz very strongly and basically told us there's no there there, that we're making much ado about nothing. And I'll give you my first soundbite, 11, here with him. Watch this. I am talking about the accusations that are being made against him. They're absolute lies.

What the actual facts are, he decided to run for Congress in February. He got out of the military in May and his unit was called up in July and I believe didn't deploy until like six months after that. He left the Guard unit specifically to run for Congress before the deployment orders came in. The lies are being told about Timbales. He did not get out of the National Guard because he didn't want to deploy. To claim that is an absolute lie, 100%. So yes, there may be a few veterans. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't know who they are who are saying this. But again, let's just take a step back for one second. The accusation that Tim Walz didn't want to deploy with his unit and that's why he got out, that is simply not what the facts show. And if you are a veteran and you are saying publicly that Tim Walz decided to get out because he didn't want to go to Iraq, then you are saying something that you cannot possibly know to be true.

What's your reaction to that? Start with you on it, Tom. Wow. That kind of gets a guy fired up. Tim Walz said himself in March of 2005, through his campaign, a statement that was put out that he was going to run for Congress, but the unit had been notified that they're going to be going to Iraq in the near future, sometime in the future. He said, that's all I'm going to say about it. But I have a great support team and a great wife, and they're going to support me whether I campaign in Minnesota or Iraq. I mean, it was his words. It's out now that he knew in March that this was going on, and then in May he retired. So it's not like it was something that was months down the road. Yeah, but he filed a run for Congress in February. Correct. On the 10th

of February. That's why Adam Smith and others say, how can you say he abandoned his unit? He filed a run for Congress and leave the unit before he got notice, official notice on paper that they were going to be deployed. The official warning orders is an official notice to the units out there. I mean, it's a secret order. You know, it's classified and it's read to the soldiers. And that's probably destroyed. I tried to get a copy of it. And I don't probably exist somewhere, you know, somewhere out there.

But it's not something that's public that you can find. So your point is he knew before February of 2005 when he said he was retiring. I mean, from what I'm hearing, the leadership of the state pretty much knew something was going to be going on in the summer of 04. And in the fall of 04, you know, brigade and division and battalion leadership, you know, there's no evidence for sure that we know that they knew. But if that's how it usually works is that, you know, the senior leadership knows ahead of time, you know, in a meeting that's classified.

They don't find out at the same time the rest of you guys find out. No, they always know. I mean, that's, it doesn't just all get dropped. The bomb gets dropped on the whole dang unit out there and the leadership and the soldiers all at once. And he, he was in leadership. He was, he had the same position to you. So do you agree with that, that he would have told, because Doug Juleen, he's out there

saying, and he also served, I'll get his title. He also says that they were actually told in the fall of 2004. He said, that's when we received my commander, myself of the 1st Brigade, 34th Infantry Division Brigade Combat Team. What's called a notification of sourcing, which is a NAS, he described it, informing us that we would be alerted to go to Iraq within the upcoming year. Start preparing your team. Correct. Doug was the brigade command sergeant major at the time. Doug Julien, who I just mentioned. Correct. He retired out as the division command sergeant major.

The reason, what was that Democrat's name again? He was saying that there's no way you could adam smith adam smith okay whatever camera's looking at me this is how i know adam smith that uh he is again a liar because he told me and other sergeant majors in the meetings that you can count on me. I will deploy with my unit. His words to my ears and others. So that's how I know. I'm not making it up. I have thousands of soldiers, thousands of soldiers that I took into combat and brought back all well.

They know me. If you knew my blood was boiling right now because Walls has done nothing but lie to feather his own bed his entire career. That's how I know. I was there. I just didn't make this up. Tom and I just didn't make this stuff up. I was in the meetings. I was part of it.

Soldiers died. Soldiers went on this. You think their parents didn't want their soldiers to take a pass, take a knee, and maybe go on the next one or go on something that maybe isn't so dangerous? You're darn skimpy. He came out and said he was going to go. All the time working behind Doug Juleen's back, going behind the chain of command's back to secure his retirement. I mean, I still don't know who signed the 4187 to allow him to get out. He would have got caught up in stop loss for sure. And he wouldn't have gone anywhere.

He already claimed that he wasn't going to go out. He was going to deploy forward with his unit. So you're saying whenever he found out that he was deploying and you're saying he found out before he's saying he found out. But whenever he found out prior to his official leaving of the National Guard, he knew Iraq was coming and he was telling you, I'll deploy. I'll deploy. Notwithstanding the fact that he had said already, I'm going to run for Congress. He was he's saying, I'll go with my unit. Oh, absolutely. And didn't. And he didn't. No, he didn't. Why, explain why that's a big deal. Because, you know, his defenders say, ah, he was allowed to retire. And I will say, this is one of my, this is another thing. And I, and I put it out there.

Uh, I spent 34 years in the army, uh, almost 13 of those as a sergeant major. The preponderance of my career and us as non-commissioned officers, I don't think people understand or they don't have a good understanding of our role in the military. When push comes to shove, we have officers that are appointed over us. And our job is to make sure that those soldiers are motivated and educated and trained to the best of their ability with all the assets at hand to carry out the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over them. Back in World War I, when we were doing trench warfare,

the officer would blow the whistle to leave the trenches and charge the enemy across the line. The non-commissioned officer's job is to make sure that they're motivated to the hilt, to come out of those trenches. And I'm going to be the point of the spear. I was in an MRAP. I was out there on the road. I was out there in harm's way just as much as anybody else. And my job is to make sure that those soldiers have the utmost confidence in their leadership.

If the powers that be, if the officer blows the whistle to leave the trenches and I'm the guy who's motivating everybody to leave and I go, not today, I'm not going. You guys go right ahead. That's a morale crusher. It chews away at the fabric of the military and its ability to do its mission. And it's just, it may not legally be wrong. It is morally indefensible. I could have retired.

Tom could have retired. Most, all the guys that were in those meetings, all the soldiers that were in those meetings, all our CSMs, were all long in the tooth. We could have retired. We didn't. We had other soldiers that put their lives on total lockdown because of this, because they went to defend their country. They had soldiers. I'm not going to let my soldiers go forward without me.

I trained them. I put myself right there with them. I'm going to suffer every hardship that they do. And that's the position he was in. That's the exact position he was in. And he walked away from it. He wasn't going to, he didn't care. It was all about him. You know, his comments offhand that I heard at some of those meetings were, you know, and I didn't put two and two together, but he was talking to another sergeant major who will not be named. And you know who you are, uh, that, you know, thanks. Uh, you know, I have a good chance to win this election this November. So I didn't put any of that together until he didn't show up. And Tom was tasked with,

uh, you know, being the CSM for one of the 125. Because you took over the position he should have had on the deployment. When he quit in May, it was like the rumor went across the state that he had quit. And it was like, who the hell does that? I mean, it was just unbelievable that a CSM abandoned his troops, you know, 500 soldiers, basically. But beyond that, there's a thousand parents out there that expect that person to lead those people into combat and to train them and to do everything

they can to equip them properly and try to get them all home alive if possible. And besides those thousand parents, there's all the sisters and brothers out there and everybody in the small hometowns in the National Guard. I mean, there's thousands of towns across Minnesota that have Guard people in them. And it's not just where the unit's at. I mean, all those little small towns come together. All this great community is behind all those soldiers there. And for that Sergeant Major or a First Sergeant or an7, or anybody in an NCO position to quit like that, it's like losing

the matriarch, or the patriarch of the family, the, you know, the quarterback of a football team, I mean, literally what this guy did is, he was like Tom Brady training until the Super Bowl, you know, getting to that point, and then Super Bowl comes up, and he says, you know, you second stringer, get out there and play, because I might get. And I don't, you know, I want to keep myself well for when I retire now and, and carry on and the Superbowl is out there and you're not, you're not playing it. Except in, in Iraq, you're actually risking your life. That's, that's the big thing that you train for. You train for 24 years to get to that position. When you go to basic training, you're training to go to war, you're training to go to combat, you're training to go to combat, you're training to kill people, basically, or, you know, hopefully

not get killed yourself. That's kind of why you train. And that goes on for years and years. And as you go up the rank, once you get to 24 years of that, I mean, the next step is, is, okay, if I can go to combat, that's what I've trained for 24 years for. I've signed the papers. I've done that with the United States government. I'm supporting all of that. And I'm going to go and protect my country and protect my soldiers. I mean, are we, you know, I'm trying to keep in mind 2005, getting a notice that you're getting deployed to Iraq. That's scary. That was a rough time. That is not like you're deploying to Italy like. That's scary. That was a rough time. That is not like you're deploying to Italy like he did in 2003 in support of what's happening in Afghanistan.

Things were about as bad as they could get. I wish some of those members brought their families over there for a while while they were there. To Italy? For sure. To Europe. To vacate. Tour the country, yeah. I mean, it was just, I mean, it's no, it's no different than if you got PCS today to Italy. There was no difference there. I mean, there were, it wasn't like they were

on lockdown, covered in battle rattle and, you know. Okay. But looking at his, at the Iraq thing, he's almost done. He could have retired a couple of years earlier. He re-upped, but very dangerous. He could serve the country if he runs for Congress. That's what he says. I'm going to fight for veterans from inside Congress. And it may not be as dangerous, but there's more value there. I'd like to know what, do we know what he fought for veterans? Well, what year did the care in the community, President Trump signed it? Was that in 1718?

Well, I wouldn't have been until, yeah, 17. Yeah, it was 18 or Walz voted against. He was one of the handful of people that voted against. Rodney, what were you going to say? I was just going to say that, you know, I don't know how he can live with himself after he did that to his soldiers. You know, that military unit, that is the same thing as a family. That's your military family. And you take care of family. And, you know, those guys got your back.

And you're supposed to have their back. And he just quit and turned his back on. I don't know how he can do it. Were you in the unit when he left? Yes. And do you remember what that felt like when you heard the news? I couldn't believe it. I was like, how did he just quit? I knew he had time left on his enlistment. And I'm like, well, how did, I don't understand how he could do it

morally or he's got absolutely no integrity. I just don't get it. Was there talk amongst the guys at the time? Very little. We weren't supposed to talk about it. So not a whole lot was discussed about it.

But we ended up with Tom, so maybe it was the best. I've heard a few guys from the unit say that because Tom Barrett stepped in. It's very humbling. Going back to what he said about he's going to get in Congress and do great things for the country. Yeah. He wasn't elected yet, so he's so into himself that, well, I'm going to run for Congress, and then when I get in there, I'm going to do other things. It's like, what would he have done if he had lost and then had abandoned his

soldiers then too? I mean, that could have happened very easily. It wasn't like he was a sitting congressman in the House of Representatives and he was just going to quit and spend more time in Washington. I mean, he literally had to win the election when he had, you know, in 06, I believe, which was a whole other year out of campaigning. So for him to say that, well, I just quit because I wanted to serve my country in a different way, well, you have no speculation whether he's even going to win or not. So, you know, for him to say that, that's kind of a, you know, looking back on it, you can all lay it out and say, this is why I got out, because I was going to win, because I'm the greatest politician in the world, and I can be a chameleon to the first district and BS them all and act like I'm going to do this to the farmers

and this to the hunters and this to the people in Rochester. And wherever I go, I wear a different T-shirt that says I'm all for the farmers and whatever. And, you know, does his little dance and everything. And pretty soon everybody, you know, they get buffaloed for a while. But first district woke up to him, I think, in 2016, too. This is where he served as a congressman that wound up voting against him when he ran for governor. Tom, you did deploy. I did.

And to Iraq. Right. And you fought for the country. And so what's your reaction? Like when you hear his excuses about, I had a different way of serving. I'd done my time. I got to go on the 9-11 memorial deal. I kind of brought back why some of the reserve people and myself got back in. The 9-11 memorial here in New York. It's kind of, you see all the people that are there, you almost feel their souls kind of breathtaking. But anyway, I got back in. I didn't ask well i'll get back in it was more or less like

what do you want me to do and how do you want me to do it that was the deal i signed a contract and that's what i want to do a lot of people did that reserve people that they got back in they were living lives of their own already and they got called to do that and they come back in the same reason it's like okay here i am what do you want me to do is that type of attitude so it's a it's a patriot thing and like i agree these uh two command sergeant majors they nailed everything i could possibly say on that but it's just wrong uh for instance i'm more of a what happened to the community. Like the regular Army, they stay under bases, and what happens can stay under bases. But Walsh did. We live in the communities, and we hear all this stuff.

We're civilians, and we just work on weekends or whatever we train. So when something like that happens, it brings dishonor on all of us. So that's kind of why i got involved this wrong i mean for what he said but going into combat that's sacred there's people lose their lives limbs um sometimes they're having kids at home but they went over there and they missed the birth birth of child. Sometimes they lose their marriage, maybe a job, but they make that commitment. And when you see walls, just some of the junior leaders, what they do for their men.

I mean, they know they're the leader, and that's the guys they're taking care of. They only have like five men. Sometimes a platoon leader's only got 80. But the commitment to bring those boys back is amazing. How many did he have, Tom? How many were in the unit that he left? There's 500.

It's kind of a rough figure for that. I think we had 650 when we were training at Shelby. Sorry, Tom Schilling, I interrupted you. Keep going. Now you got me. Well, you were saying that you were speaking of the numbers that these guys are responsible for. Well, the part of him just getting up is unfathomable

because we all made the same commitment after 9-11. And then to hear that stolen valor, and I see that as he used that. We're supposed to be there to defend the citizens. That's what we do. It's like foreign domestic. That's our vow. And he takes stolen valor to run against another

civilian for a United States representative. That was really terrible on my part. How can you do that? The sins are multiple, the alleged sins. Not only did he not go to Iraq, and I guess I should just ask you, raise your hand if you think Tim Walz is guilty of cutting and running as opposed to serving in Iraq. Absolutely. No doubt. No doubt. And to those like Adam Smith who suggest maybe there's a political motive here. We've seen some guys come out and say, oh, these are conservative guys.

They're going to vote Republican. They're just trying to bring him down because he's a Democrat. He's running as a Democrat for governor. Anybody want to take that on? Oh, yeah. Go ahead. I would say that, you know, looking back on what has been dug up on him in the last, you know, ever since, ever since 2005, August, when he was holding an Enduring Freedom Veterans for Cary sign. Yes, he was. And, you know, supposedly he ran. He was in the in the Kerry campaign in the state.

I don't know when he started doing it, if he started doing it when he was in Italy or when he when he was doing it. But my gut feeling is he did it for political reasons, but it wasn't for political reasons to help this country. He did it because this was Bush's war. And I feel that he just literally got to the whatever point that, you know, there were some weird stuff with the Iraq war back then. I think he just he just felt that he just couldn't. I mean, a lot of guys had questions about the Iraq war and why we're fighting it. You still went and did your thing. I mean, I had 150 IRR guys that asked the same thing. They got pulled off the street of New York City and Washington, all across the nation. They came

to us. They had a letter that got sent to Washington, all across the nation. They came to us. They had a letter that got sent to them. They answered the call. And they came to Camp Shelby and trained with us. And they literally, you know, they were out there. And they were like, why are we here? You know, this war, you know, we haven't found weapons of mass destruction. First thing I said was Saddam Hussein was a weapon of mass destruction.

But they fought anyway? They fought anyway. And I put together a briefing for them. And I said, I compared it to World War II. I said, we got attacked by Japan. Did we get attacked by Germany? They said no. And I said, why the hell did we go to Germany?

I said, we got attacked by Afghanistan, the Taliban, the terrorists that came right here and did what they did. And I said, yeah, we didn't get attacked by Iraq, but there was a dictator there that was oppressing his people, killing his own people. And we felt that there was something there we need to go in there. And we did. Well, how does it how do the military armed services work if the soldiers get to decide which wars are the good ones? Exactly. That you can't do that. You can't pick and choose where you're going to go. Oh, I like this war. That's a question that he'll never answer because he never answers any questions.

You might have a spokesperson answer it for him now. But if the order would have said Operation Enduring Freedom to Afghanistan, would you have stayed in then because you felt that was a just war? You know, and if that's the case, the case, then that's more dirt on them too because it's like you don't get to pick which war you go with. We'll go back to that in a second, but how about the politics of it? Is this a political hit by you? We started this long before he became governor.

I mean, when he started running for Congress, he was then, and it wasn't even us. Tom Hagen. Tom Hagen put out the first news article saying, stop calling yourself a retired command sergeant major. This is in addition to the other problems. Because you're not. He's been overstating his military rank. Right. You're not.

You're a retired master sergeant. You literally played one on TV. You basically, now we look at his NGB 22. What's that? Well, that's his discharge document from the National Guard. His data rank is actually May 1st of 05. He retired on the 16th. Right. So he was literally a Sergeant Major on paper,

conditionally promoted for 14 days. Wow. And in the Guard world, that may have been zero days because that may not have coincided with a drill fight. He has said that over and over and over. Called himself a retired command sergeant major. And we have pushed back against that and we tried doing it

relatively quietly and we were ignored. This was leading up to the gubernatorial race. If he would have never mentioned the Sergeant Major thing, we may not really be sitting here.

No, I doubt it. Well, what about his defenders say he was one for a short time? Well, why can't he say I was one? Well, you could say I was a command sergeant major who is now retired, but he can't say I'm retired command sergeant major. Who cares? Well, again, I guess civilians probably don't care, but you should care if you're in the military.

It would be, I say, I forget his name, the sergeant major that said this. I wish I came up with this, but when we are in basic training, you're all the same. You're all a bunch of pack of privates. And then somebody is going to be in charge, and you're going to get an armband that says corporal, or you're going to get an armband that says sergeant. And if you get medically hurt and let's say you put out of the army, are you going to say, yeah, I was a sergeant when I was in the army? No, you played

one. You were conditionally promoted for two seconds to play one of basic training just to help herd cats. Okay. So now, now you're, you're out on the street and you're claiming that you're, you're a retired something that you weren't. You guys are retired command sergeant majors. How much extra training goes in? That's an E9 versus an E8. How much extra did you really have to do to get from the E8 to E9? Just to, to keep it. Do you got it? You're going it. Here's the difference. On active duty, if you get selected to be a sergeant major, an E9, we'll just say, then you're going to, that's a PCS move, a permanent change of station to Fort Bliss. You're going to go to the Sergeant Majors Academy. You're going to

be there for a couple of years. Then you're going to graduate, just like graduating from a college, okay? And then you are officially a Sergeant Major at that point. If you're on the reserves or you're a SOCOM force, so Special Operations Command, like Delta Force, Green Berets, stuff like that, those got, national garden reserves we do a two-year distance learning course so we have to do it it's almost more of a problem because it's we have to do it at night on our own after we worked all they're all other stuff we're doing it on a computer um and take doing our classes that way and then it culminates with like a two and a half week stint down at Fort Bliss where you do your final papers and stuff like that. And then, um, you, then you're done. Would it have been nice to be able to skip all of that after 14 days and

still have the title? One day out of every weekend for two years that you tell your family, shut up, get away from the office. I got to work this. I got to rehearse my speeches. I've got to go through all this. So when you see somebody saying they are one, when you know they're not one, they didn't do all the sacrifice from the family and the personal time. How does it make you feel? Well, it burns the command sergeant major corps, the E9 Corps across all the military, I think. It'd be like, I reckoned it to the same as a person that's in training to be a doctor, and they frock him. He can wear a doctor whatever badge in the hospital and go through the halls and act like he's a doctor, but he's still in training.

And then all of a sudden, he decides he drops out of the school because that's too much work. I don't want to do it anymore. But then he still walks through the halls and says he's a doctor. I mean, if a civilian saw that, he'd get thrown in jail. And this guy, he's a military impersonator with that. It's like, I'm using, like you said, he's a retired command sergeant major. He's said it so many times that it just makes a person sick to hear it. Yeah, the state of Minnesota said that he can say he's, you know, he served as a command sergeant major, which he's never said it. I served as a command sergeant major. He blabs that he was a retired one.

And that's where, you know, this originally came out with me like in 2015 and 16 because we had a veterans memorial that was getting dedicated. And he came down as the congressman spoke to the small town and it was just i am retired you know you've seen all the videos he said it six times six seven times it was in the paper and a neighbor that sang national anthem he he says god i got to meet another command sergeant major so that's two of them i've met and i was like he's not a retired command sergeant major. I said, he didn't do the school. I went through the same things Paul said. I said, the guy looked at me, he goes, we don't know that.

This needs to get out. And I said, well, I figured somebody above me, whether, you know, whether at state level or, you know, somebody would have corrected him and told him, you know, cease and desist from what you're doing. You're lying. You're doing it for political gain. It's making you look better than you are. You're wearing a 12 point rack on your head. But you got you got Bambi's body basically is what you Democrat side because they're not the party in power in the House right now. So he's the ranking member on the Armed Services Committee, speaking to this

issue of Walsh calling himself a retired command sergeant major. Here, watch it. He was promoted to be a command sergeant major. So at one point he served in that rank. Now, the way it works, which is not something that people who aren't familiar with the military would be aware of, you have to do a little bit more to be able to retire at that rank. OK, so it is not wrong to say that Tim Walz was a command sergeant major. He was. It is wrong to say that he retired at that rank. And that came out a couple of times and they corrected it.

OK, and you can see where, okay, he's both retired and he was a command sergeant major, but he is not a retired command sergeant major. That is true. And I think that is a very innocent mistake. Just had to do it. You're laughing. Why are you laughing? Paul's not laughing he's gonna have to touch my yeah you're okay calm down no but you know that that's the thing right there okay that's just a little mistake in there that he did whatever i wrote this letter to tim walls back in 16 i i said you know thank you for your service thanks for what you've done for veterans you know thank you for your service. Thanks for what you've done for veterans. You know, thank you for your 24 years. But I said, you know, you were down here and you were saying you were a retired command sergeant major.

You're not. I had the state state command sergeant major personnel officer tell me that he can only say he's a retired master sergeant. I mean, it was it's all out there everywhere. He was officially demoted. Just so people know, it's in paperwork. You can look it up. He was demoted. He tried to retire as a command sergeant major, and they caught him and said, no, that's not what you were. Keep going. I sent this letter to him. It was like soldier to soldier. I was like, give him a chance to just come clean. Fix it. Even Van Jones, I think is the guy's name on CNN, said, just come out and have a news conference and come clean so we can get over this. Whatever.

Hell, he'll never do it. He never did it back then. He could have easily done it. He could have said, yeah, I guess I screwed up. I didn't know why it was that. And I think it would have went on water under the bridge. That's what Colonel Cove had to say. Well, I sent the letter to the Armed Services Committee then after I never heard nothing back from Kim Walz and the Ag Committee and everyone he was on,

it was like, you know, this guy is lying about his rank. Nobody responded. He still hasn't responded, which is why we're here together. Exactly. It's like, well, he never will. He'll have a spokesperson say he missed home. Well, so here's what he has said. All right, we're going to play some of his sound here.

Oh, no. He didn't really address it, but after this all hit, he got out there and did a couple of announcements at various rallies, and we'll take a look at one of them. This is Sot 6 in his rally right after the vice presidential announcement. My dad served in the Army during the Korean War. With his encouragement, at 17, I joined the Army National Guard. For 24 years, I proudly wore the uniform of this nation. The National Guard gave me purpose it gave me the strength of a shared commitment to something greater than ourselves and just as it did for my dad and millions of others the gi bill gave me a shot at a college education that was before all the controversy he knew you guys were out there

but that's how he tried to spin it in his first appearance. Like, hey, here I am, National Guardsman, in response to which you felt what? Just, he, what, he said. Grab his leg. What does grabbing the leg do? What the cons about? he he just said that it was the biggest commitment and his exact words i can't it was bigger than himself right right bigger than himself and i'm like no it wasn't he he is he is the pinnacle of everything, right? Everything he does and says. A couple of years ago, I did an interview, and in that, I said he's a habitual liar.

He lies about everything. He lies about stuff that doesn't make sense. And, you know, and again, here we got the Chamber of Commerce coming out. Yeah, you're in the Nebraska National Guard. You came to the Minnesota National Guard. Why? I don't know. Let's talk about, oh, he says all these things.

Like I was a football coach. You were assistant coach and you were fired because of a DUI that you lied about being deaf on. Okay? To try and get out of whatever you were trying to get out of there. I mean, it's just one habitual lie after another, and they keep piling up. And eventually you can't, there's not enough blankets to cover it up. You heard Adam Smith suggest, there's a couple of times, you know, a couple of times he mistakenly said he was a retired command sergeant major.

We put together just our own list that we could put that we could find of him saying that he was a retired command sergeant major. It's not just a couple of times. Here's here's more than that. It's not one. I'm a retired command sergeant major. This is Congressman Tim Walz. He's a retired command sergeant major in the Army Artillery. As a 24 year veteran of the Army National Guard and a retired command sergeant major. I am a retired command sergeant major in the Minnesota National Guard. I have a unique privilege in Congress is that by being elected from this district and being a retired command sergeant major, I am the highest ranking enlisted soldier to ever serve

in Congress. As a 24-year veteran of the National Guard and the Red Bull Division and a retired Command Sergeant Major. Congressman Tim Walz, also a member of the Armed Service Committee and Veterans Affairs, Democrat of Minnesota, highest ranking enlisted soldier ever to serve in Congress, enlisted in the Army National Guard at 17 and retired 24 years later as Command Sergeant Major and served with his battalion at Operating Enduring Freedom.

Retired out as command sergeant major. So when you first came to Washington, you were a retired command sergeant major in the Army National Guard. Oh, yeah. He misspoke a lot. He misspoke a lot. A lot. And by the way, just so the record's clear, September 2005, Minnesota National Guard discovered that his paperwork was erroneous, saying he was retiring as a command sergeant major.

And they updated it to show that he retired as an E-8 master sergeant, September 2005. Correct. So every single thing we just showed you was after September 2005. He knew that he had been demoted, and he continued to say it over and over. And then there, there were some vets who went to his office in 2009 to say, stop saying that and stop saying what you heard somebody else say in there, which he has also said with his sign that you are a veteran of operation enduring freedom, which is saying you what's what, if you were a vet of Operation Enduring Freedom, what are you saying? What did you do? I was in Bosnia. Um,

he, he doesn't have an expeditionary medal. Anybody that was that, that, that would have at least had an expeditionary medal. He has not. He was not awarded that. The general public thinks if you say Operation Enduring Freedom that you went to Afghanistan. Yeah. That's literally what the civilians of Afghanistan will say. I mean, if I say Operation Iraqi Freedom, you pretty much know what it is. Operation Enduring Freedom covers Afghanistan.

And he threw that spin on his thing all the time. He's accepted both. Both have been said about him in introductions that he served in Iraqi freedom and enduring freedom. And he hasn't corrected. He's allowed it to stand. Well, exactly. And that's the sad part about the lies that he spends is that he's out there. He allows things to get said that are lies. And there was campaign publication sent to him. I'm in the first district there. And I'd get him in the mail and I'd look at it and just be like, you've got to be kidding me. I mean, can the guy just have some loyalty and some integrity and do the right thing when nobody's looking? I mean, that's the thing that I've always, you know,

integrity is being on a deserted island as a soldier and shaving your face with a seashell if you got one. So if you get rescued, you look like a soldier. I mean, that's doing the right thing when nobody's watching and he does the wrong thing when everybody's watching trying to get away with it and and putting a spin on it so we can get another vote and hopefully get in the next level of office and that's that's what's just it's everything together. It's not just that he misspoke about being a command sergeant major. It's not just that he lied directly to my face

and other sergeant majors and officers' faces about his commitment to going to war with his with his unit um and also the confidence that that brings to soldiers that are going to be in the trenches with you um it's it's not just it's everything it's about him weapons in war yeah i'm we're going to make sure that the weapons that i carried in war don't fall into the hands of civilians or whatever. And I'm like, you never were in war. Hope woke up like many of you did five weeks ago and said, Dad, you're the only person I know who's in elected office. You need to stop what's happening with this. I'll take my kick in the butt for the NRA.

I spent 25 years in the Army and I hunt. And I gave the money back. And I'll tell you what I have been doing. I've been voting for common sense legislation that protects the second amendment, but we can do background checks. We can do CDC research. We can make sure we don't have reciprocal carry among states. And we can make sure that those weapons of war that I carried in war is the only place

where those weapons are at. And he says things to Gold Star families that lets them elude. Like when I came back, they told us to watch the horse whisper and move on. And I go, yeah, because you were in Italy. Okay, no offense to anybody that was in Italy, but when you're sucking down a latte and people are getting shot at, there's a big difference. Okay, and everybody has a role to play. Don't get me wrong. Everybody has a role to play.

But the point is, is that take honest accountability for the role that you play. But most guys who did not actually serve in Afghanistan or Iraq would never say they served in Afghanistan or Iraq. I don't know anybody that's done it myself, just on the civilian side, let alone somebody running for an office at all. And absolutely not at national level. This is just unbelievable that somebody can have that lifespan and still be doing it. I mean, it comes out that he has a coin that has the CSMI on it. Yes, yep. That he gave out to Congress or people.

That he misspoke there. He was saying retired command sergeant major on the Harris-Walls website. She had to pull that. He's still saying, the Minnesota governor's office is still saying it. Right. I mean, he's held on to this, even though, you know, people like Adam Smith suggest, oh, it was a mistake and he didn't. It's been brought to his attention for every year he's been doing it. And he continues to do it.

It must mean something to him. I do want to tell you, we interviewed the cast of the movie Reagan, which is hitting this weekend. And, uh, one of the cast members is Dan Loria. He played the dad in wonder years. And in this movie, he played Democrat Tip O'Neill, who was friends with Reagan, even though they were across party lines and the real guy, Dan Loria served in Vietnam. He was, he was in the Marines. But he was quick when I said that to point out, and he's always quick to tell you, he didn't actually fight in Vietnam. He was stationed over there. He got sent over there and then they got pushed to Okinawa. And then there were all sorts of reasons why. But he wants people to know that.

Exactly. And that seems to me the default. Most guys are trying to make sure if you ever overstate what they actually did, try they correct you it's it's it's people understand it's not just we don't want to overstate our importance or our the commitment that we made to the country or the things that we did for the country and ourselves and the bam and our families for what, I don't understand this. When you say that you served in a function that you didn't, if you served in combat, let's just go there.

I served in combat here or I did this there. You are robbing, you are robbing that suffering and that commitment and trifling it down for all the men and women that we have sent in harm's way and have not come back or have come back less and the people that have their tortured memories okay and and and everybody that did that commitment you belittle it you're taking a piece of their thunder and you're trying to capture it and putting it in a bottle for yourself and use that for your own benefit.

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Offer details apply. He's just utterly incompetent. Look how he handled his own National Guard during the... Well, he said there was a reason for that. There's a reason he didn't deploy them. And we'll show you that soundbite too. He's got strong thoughts about how the National Guard should be deployed.

And I guess he didn't think they were appropriate to go out the first couple of nights. We'll say soundbite five. He didn't think that they were appropriate to go out the first couple of nights. We'll say soundbite five. He didn't think that they were appropriate to go out the first couple of nights of Minneapolis burning post George Floyd. Mayor knew what he was asking for. He wanted the National Guard. And what does that mean? I think to the mayor, yes, I think it's a perception. I'm certainly not questioning that. I think the mayor said, I request the National Guard. This is great. We're going to have massively trained troops. No, you're going to have 19-year-olds who are cooks. That proves, that statement right there proves how much

incompetence, how incompetent he is, okay, because he didn't even evidently know that he's got a battalion of MPs. He evidently didn't know that he's got at any given time there's 300 personnel that are trained rotating through because i was on it uh you have 300 people that are trained and this all came out into the report right that rotates throughout force 300 people that are trained for civil disruptions and natural disaster they have the the riot gear, they have the shields, the helmets, the training, the whole nine yards. They are on call. In 24 hours, they should have been able to mobilize them and have at least 300 individuals out there on the ground. Was that an insult to the National Guard? Absolutely, it was an insult. When you look at the statue of the Minuteman,

I think it's in Lexington, Kentucky, where they have the bronze. And he's the Minuteman. And the reason they're the Minuteman, the statue's got one hand on the plow and the other one on the rifle. And that's why they're called the Minuteman, because when the call goes out, you got one minute to drop your plow, grab your rifle and go fight. And what he's saying right there is the absolute truth. I mean, those people would have been on the ground. There would have been a contingent of them there in hours. And once that was done, the warning order would have went out to the rest of them that, hey, if this goes south, you guys need to be ready.

And we would have swarmed the cities from all corners of Minnesota, and the whole damn division would have been there within two days if that would have been called up. What about- And they would have sent all of them people packing. The cities wouldn't have burned down and it would have solved a lot of civil problems. What about it, Rodney? Because you were part of the unit that did deploy to Iraq with a bunch of 19-year-old

cooks. Actually, I did have- My cooks cooked in Iraq, but I also had the ammo guys, and we hauled ammo to all the radio relay points. We also carried fuel up and down MSR to all the radio relay points and their food supplies. And we also had one of my platoons did convoy escort missions. So, and then I had all the mechanics who fixed all the trucks. Well, he makes it sound like they're a bunch of knuckleheads. The people I have were very skilled. I mean, some of the most skilled soldiers that are in the service, because

you can't just take a 19-year-old cook and have him try and repair a Humvee. You know, and you can't just take a 19-year-old cook and have him try and repair a Humvee. And you can't. My soldiers were so professional, so proud of them, both men and women. But 19-year-old cooks all know how to shoot a weapon. They all know how to do combatives. I mean, all the training, went through, everything they did exactly like any other person on the ground

did. I mean, Tom, the bottom line is those 19-year-old cooks, they went, they deployed. Oh, yeah. And your unit lost some men on the deployment he skipped. And that's the point I wanted to make. Like what he was saying about the Gold Star families and Kathy Miller, you know, she's the Gold Star

mom of kyle and we made a bronze of him likeness of him in our memorial he was killed as part of a unit that deployed on 29th of june and 19 year old kid 19 year old kid and he worked in uh worked in the the electronic side of it they went on a mission they had a mission plan to go get jamming equipment to put on our humvees and he had a dream that he was going to get wounded or die on this mission. And I mean, this dream literally was consumed. He went to the chaplain and the chaplain said, you know, if you feel this strongly about this mission, I can probably get you off of it.

And you can, you know, you know, if it bothers you this much, I can get you off it. And Kyle said, if you did that and somebody else went in my place and they got wounded or died, I'd never be able to live with myself. That's what Kyle told the chaplain. He went on a mission. And on the way back, they backed over, they hit an IED that was buried in the ground. He was in the backseat behind the driver and it blew up. And he died there out in the middle of the damn desert in Iraq. And his body was sent home to his mom and his family and a 19-year-old kid.

And like Kathy said, you know, never really thought about it until this came up with Tim Waltz. But she said, Kyle went on the mission. He did not refuse to go on it because I feel bad. I got something better to do, whatever. It's his duty. He knew it was his duty to go on the mission. He did not refuse to go on it because I feel bad. I got something better to do, whatever. It's his duty. He knew it was his duty to go on that mission. He was the guy qualified to get this equipment and put it on to try to save other people's lives. And he went on, and he lost his life for our country. And she's like, Tim Walz didn't do that. He basically said, I've got better things to do. Go pick somebody else to go on a mission. Whatever.

Get that dumb farmer Tom Behrens. He'll probably go. Whatever. Then I'll just sit back here. Do you think he's not losing sleep at night now because he didn't go? He would have been one of the 22 a day if he wouldn't have won on that mission. He would not have been able to live with himself because it would have bothered him. the 22 a day if he wouldn't have won on that mission. He would not have been able to live with himself. Right. Because it would have bothered him to the end. If any of us would not have went, it would have bothered us. We would not be here right now. I guarantee it.

When you think about the fact that this guy could be a heartbeat away from the presidency, from being the commander in chief and in charge of all the armed forces and saying who deploys and when, how does that make you feel? And more importantly, helps determine, you know, could determine rules of engagement. And then even put, you know, politicians putting military. Well, he could be in a situation room like Kamala was when the Afghans, Afghanistan fell. She was the last one in the room. You're not raising your hand and saying, you know, this is bullshit. What's going on? This is ridiculous i mean we're we're yeah i mean i i literally was in the some of the

worst depression in my life after that when i saw that going down i was like i'd watch the news and i just my gut just i just was empty because it was just i saw what happened in iraq when they withdrew and it was not the greatest there either because you know look what happened to the vacuum there with is ISIS coming in. All of a sudden, we're doing the same crap worse in Afghanistan. I mean, people falling off of planes and Abbey Gate and then those people, those brave heroes there that died. I was just, you've got to be kidding. We're doing it again?

Did you? Yeah, go ahead. And all I want to say, one of the things I would like to reiterate and punch through on this is, you know what? Fear is a reaction. Bravery is a decision. And Walls has made the wrong decision. He's not brave. I call him a coward because he is, because he took the easy path. He took the path of least resistance. And I'm sorry, but yeah, when you go over there, things get ugly. They get ugly fast. You're going to see things that you don't want to see,

and you're going're you're gonna deal with that and i just think that he is an exact result and why we have stolen valor people make decisions that are cowardly and they come back or and they try to lead vicariously by robbing other people's you know all the other soldiers and all the benefits that we did and all the sacrifices. They want a piece of that and that they feel slighted. And so or they feel like they made a mistake. And this is how they're making up for it.

You know, you know what his defenders will say. What about President Bonespur? Yeah, at least he served in the National Guard. President Trump got out of service in Vietnam by saying he had Bonespurs, which they didn't believe. And so who are the Republicans to cast stones? Wouldn't you's the thing. If you served in it and you did what he did for 24 years, and all of a sudden said, when I looked up the turncoat definition in the Revolutionary War also, it was like, no, that's what this guy did because he literally, and I just called him a deserter also because he left his post, he left his duty station, and he walked off into the sunset. I say sled a lot of times that he that he slithered out of the armory but he walked into the sunset never turned around

never had any intention of ever coming back to the military he was gone and because i've got better things to do so he took his uniform and he literally turned it inside out and went off into whatever other realm he did and which was vote against anything that went on in Iraq, vote against Gitmo, vote against wherever. And by the way, Gitmo would be a good place for him to end up at, I think. Oh, boy. Or Levin worse. But that's how I look.

It's just unbelievable. But how do you compare that, right? I mean, Trump chose not to serve at all, right? There you got the knee. What do you make of that? How do you reconcile that? Here's what I'll tell you is that let's. Well, one, you get apples and oranges. And then, too, I'll say, well. President Donald Trump.

Decided to do battle in a different form. And at least, you know what? He's been shot by the enemy. The enemy closed in and took action against a former president of this country and tried to kill him. And he got wounded in action, fighting for the rights and the Constitution of this country. We all took an oath to defend the Constitution of this country, right, and not walk away from it, not go get married in Tiananmen Square, not, you know, go around lying about carrying weapons in war and everything else, I mean, that he's lied about. I mean, there's morality decisions, there's ethical decisions. The Army, you know, he's supposed to be the pinnacle of the Army values at his position. Anybody that knew me, that served with me in the military,

even when I was a Brigade Sergeant Major and I had 5,000 soldiers, and everybody that knows me knows that I don't sugarcoat anything. If I don't like you, I'll tell you I don't like you. If you're terrible at your job, I'll tell you you're terrible at your job. If if you're doing a great job i'll tell you you're doing a great job at your job uh but you know uh the army value you know honor integrity uh i mean selfless service where is all this you know loyalty loyalty i mean it to his his soldiers and his country and the oath that he took, commitment, candor, all those in the non-commissioned officer corps. I mean, he doesn't support any of the night, went, left his troops, lied about everything. You know what?

You need to look in the mirror and reevaluate your ability to say what you're saying. Does he have to speak to this? So far, he's gotten away with not saying much. I mean, what would you like to see him do? Apologize. Apologize to the number one, to the first district for Buffalo and them for 10 years, basically, you know, I mean, number two, go to Congress and tell whoever the highest ranking person that actually served in Congress, not him, apologize to that person and say, you know, I guess I was lying that whole time. It looks like it's you. Now you can wear the 12 point rack now and have the crown

as being the person that should be served to say that. What about Kamala Harris? I mean, what she skirted it to. Like, I think everyone should be proud of everybody's service. All right. Well, yeah, that's a nice way to put it. But, I think everyone should be proud of everybody's service. All right. Well, yeah, that's a nice way to put it. But, you know, that's the problem with what he's, you know, he ended up bringing this on himself. All we are are the messengers of what he has done. And that's the problem that's out there

is that he laid out this whole book of chapters of what he's done and the lies, lies, lies, you know, just continuously saying what he's doing, stolen valor right down the line. And we're just fed up with it. I mean, it's like Colonel Cole finally, when he heard Kamala say that he was a retired command sergeant major, that's when he brought out his statement on this whole issue, because he couldn't stand it anymore. He sat silent for years, saying, I don't want nothing to do with it. I'm happy being just happy being a civilian, retired Colonel, whatever. And then you hear this and that's what tripped his trigger.

How about you guys? Why did you come forward? Why did you think it was? I mean, you don't seem like guys who love the limelight, Rodney and Tom. The thing is, I got nothing to gain from this at all. The only thing I have to gain from this is from the heart, because this information needs to be out there. The general public, the voters, need to know this. They need to know what they're getting with Tim Walz. What are they getting? They're getting somebody that I would classify his service as shameful.

Absolutely shameful. You do not abandon your soldiers, and it's just wrong. How about you, Tom? I think big serious. And I mean, the dishonor he has put on the rest of the soldiers as far as, like I say, the valor, using it against a civilian, like I was saying before, running Congress. And I'm kind of beat up or I'm kind of like he's going to possibly be the second in command in our country.

And the leadership I've seen all the way through, I think that's really scary. If I could actually bring up something else that since this started, there's been all kinds of news stuff coming out that all the different people coming forward. And it's some people say something about the kids he had or whatever. And then you got the thing that alarms me the most on this that I heard on the news was he's been to China 30 times. Yep. He's a high ranking person. And in Nebraska,

they had a artillery unit and they were dealing with classified stuff that they were firing. And he went to China like 30 times. And I think that's really suspicious. I'd really like to know more about that before we've got enough problems with China, with people buying off some of our congressmen. It's all over

the place. Besides the lying about the combat he was in, besides the stolen valor and all the stuff he did, now it's just not right, especially with China. They're looking into that right now. James

Comer's doing an investigation to make sure that everything's okay with the numerous contacts with china he got married on the anniversary of tiananmen square for that reason so he would always remember his wedding anniversary and said he was treated like a king over there that they gave him all sorts of gifts and that he was living a lot better than anybody else and it is a little odd i mean for sure it, it's a little odd. Well, if you sold out your guard unit and abandoned them, I mean, what are you going to do at the national level? I mean, it's like the state. I mean, he literally, like when the third precinct got burned down, I mean, the reporters

overheard that being said that it was going to be a gift to the rioters. Let's just let them burn that down and abandon it. And then maybe they'll feel satisfied and go away. Well, that didn't work. I mean, they just got emboldened and went and did further. And that's exactly what's going on with this situation. I mean, if you do this to a guard unit and you abandon them and you do all these pathological lying going on,

I mean, what are you going to do at the national level? What kind of feedback have you guys gotten from guys, you know, enlisted guys since you came forward? Well, you know, it's just been amazing. I would have to say I've gotten to meet some of the greatest patriotic Americans I ever even knew existed out here. There was a Pakistani cab driver today that was just unbelievable story of coming here, immigrating here and working to get citizenship and doing everything right. And how he was complaining about the migrant crisis and how everything is just given to him from schooling to housing to whatever.

And all they do is stand around and smoke pot now. And the soldiers that have come out, I mean, it's just unbelievable. Reconnecting reconnecting with you know i haven't seen paul a long time or rod for years and and you know you see all them and you hear a lot of good comments and yeah there's a couple of people that are willing to fall on the sword for for tim walls because you know everybody's got a friend somewhere i think you know i i was surprised him had any, but I guess that's another point. But, you know, that's, there's, and I've gotten some harsh comments, but they make me smile. Because when I see them, I know I'm doing the right thing. Because when I'm getting under their skin, basically, and they're calling me a traitor for calling him a traitor. It's like,

I'm not a traitor for doing that. I mean, I don't, I can sleep well at night knowing what I'm doing is the right thing. And I could go to, if the election goes and he gets in on November 5th or whatever date it is, and he's in there, I can honestly say, well, I did all I could do to try to save this country from this tyrant. I mean, that's, he's an evil man.

And if nobody does anything to stop this evil, then it will persist. And that's why we're all here. We're here because we want to stop this from going forward. Yeah, I mean, we I've gotten I will say that I received my first piece of fan mail. Oh, really? A couple of weeks ago. I'm not going to say who or where, but I you know, if you're watching, you know who you are. You know, he personally mailed me one, I will say for Michigan. Was it signed DJT and big black Sharpie?

Yeah, it wasn't in, you know, it was good. No, that was good. And then conversely, you know, I get the pushback. I don't know that I get as much pushback as Tom gets. And then there's reasons for that. Some of it is because you've won them angrier. They know you're tougher. But I do. I have gotten some shady emails, you know, basically that are, I wouldn't say out and out threatening, but the stuff that I just want to go, please.

I will tell you people that I do pray to the good Lord above every night that I really hope you show up. Oh boy. I thought that was going a different way. So, you know, I don't know what tree you think you're barking at, but it's not the one you want. Tom will not be there to touch the leg if you show up at Paul's house. But hold your own legs. But I mean, yeah, I mean, overall, I'd say 98% positive. You know, a lot of guys I don't know, a lot of, you know, special operations guys. I mean, just guys across the board that have just come out and said, thanks for bringing this to the forefront because this really needs to be dealt with.

That's how our audience feels. After Tom came on, we asked for a response and it was overwhelming. The number of military guys, gals, veterans, their families who wrote in 99.99% on your side. Cool. It was, I mean, they're not only very moved by the whole strike, they're very angry that he's doing this and they can't believe the media is dismissing it. And some Democrats, most Democrats are dismissing it as a nothing. The only thing that the Democrats will give on is,

yeah, he shouldn't have said he carried that weapon in war, but he just misspoke, but it's part of a pattern. I mean, it's a pattern of, you know, once you misspoke enough times,

you just obviously you're alive. Well, pathological. Pathological. It's just right, right out there. You just never, the thing is, he never, he never corrects it, never apologizes to it, never says, you know, he didn't even say he misspoke himself. Right. I mean.

And this isn't make-believe, this is fact. It's kind of weird. It's knowable. That's kind of weird. It's knowable. I think he's weird. Weird. Very weird. You guys are not weird. It's knowable. That's kind of weird. It's knowable. He's weird. Weird. Very weird. You guys are not weird. You're the best. God bless you all. You're very brave. You're brave in many ways. I really appreciate your service. Thank you for serving when he wouldn't

and you as well. Honestly, you guys, thanks for going in there and doing what we need our guys to do to keep us all safe. We appreciate it. Thank you. It was really wonderful. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.