The Megyn Kelly Show - Harry and Meghan's Selfishness, and Media Smears, with Nigel Farage and Joseph Arthur | Ep. 390

Episode Date: September 13, 2022

Nigel Farage, host of "Farage" on GB News, on what what the Queen represented in terms of Western values, Hillary Clinton pretending to be someone she's not compared to the Queen being herself, dedication to service vs. our society of self, the weakness of the metropolitan and beltway conservatives, Harry and Meghan's selfishness and disloyalty, Oprah's failings as an interviewer, why humans need leaders with courage and integrity, challenges in the U.S. and U.K., the life-changing event that made Farage speak his mind and never back down, and more. Then musician Joseph Arthur joins the show to talk about why he's suing the Los Angeles Times for defamation, the cost of speaking out, what made Arthur decide to speak out about masks in April 2020, infantilizing during the pandemic, his comments about Fauci, the use of anonymous sources to smear him, speaking your mind so you don't lose your mind, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

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megankelly.com, type in your email address, and keep an eye on your inbox this Friday for the first American News Minute. And then you can comment and tell me whether I have lived up to my promise. Okay, today on the show, the incredible story of what happened to a successful musician's career when he decided to speak out against mandatory covid masking and vaccines, raising some of the very concerns that the so-called experts are now admitting were, in fact, real problems. But he basically got canceled and his career ruined over this. His name is Joseph Arthur, and he has played alongside names like Peter Gabriel and REM's Michael Stripe. His songs have been featured in Hollywood films and sung by bands like Coldplay. However, he refused to toe the line. So he's going to be

here to talk about what that cost him and whether it was worth it. But my first guest today is somebody who you know very well, and he's also someone who knows exactly what it's like to take on controversial positions and never back down. Nigel Farage is here. He helped lead Britain's exit from the European Union, dubbed Brexit, as you know, since leaving politics, at least sort of. One of his focuses has been growing the conservative movement, not just in the UK, but also here in the United States, recently telling a group of young people, if America falls, we all fall. Nigel Farage now hosts his own show, hugely successful, called Farage on Britain's Great GB News, which is just an amazing place to spend some time. You would

absolutely love it if you watch it on YouTube or elsewhere. He joins me now. Nigel, so nice to meet you. Thanks for coming on. Megan, absolute pleasure to come on. Normally, we'd be talking hard politics and saving Western civilization, which is really my mission post-Brexit, because I see the English-speaking world, whether it's Canada, America, New Zealand, Australia, the UK. I see the same problems. I see Marxism that has infiltrated our universities. And I could go on. But of course, you know, I'm not wearing a black tie for nothing because we are going through an extraordinary, historic, moving, but incredibly sad week here in the UK.

Yeah, I know. It's been something to watch. All I could think about, Nigel, when I saw the number of days that the country would be in mourning and that the Queen's coffin would be moved from place to place and that people would be given the chance to say their goodbyes was even in death, this is the hardest woman working, the hardest working woman in England. I mean, even in death, the Queen gives extra of herself so people can have the chance to pay their respects. Well, think about it. This time last week, Tuesday of last week, Boris Johnson went in to see her

to tender his resignation as Prime Minister. And then Liz Truss went into the room and the Queen invited Liz Truss to become our next prime minister. There was a photograph taken of her shaking Liz Truss's hand. She had a big smile on her face, but she looked weaker than we've seen her at any point before.

Three months ago at the Platinum Jubilee, she came onto the balcony at Buckingham Palace. We knew she was old, but it's a really funny thing. Despite her age, I was convinced she was immortal. I honestly didn't think this day was going to come. I just imagined she'd go on forever and ever. So there she was a week ago doing her duty. And then two days later, last last Thursday at about a quarter past

12 there was a statement that the Queen was under medical supervision and as soon as I heard that I literally felt sick to the bottom of my stomach because I knew what it meant and I can't tell you the outpouring of emotion people saying to me I never thought I'd feel like this. But of course, not only has she been there for the whole of our lives, you've got to be over 75 to remember a time when Elizabeth wasn't our queen. But there's something else about her that is very, very special, in my opinion, what she represented in terms of values, honesty, decency, morality, Christianity, devotion, self-sacrifice, and service. And I do think that as what we call the greatest generation, that World War II generation of men and women, as they disappear in number from this earth, I worry that we're losing something very, very special in terms of what people stand for.

Oh, I couldn't agree with you more. On many fronts, as I was saying to Dan Wooden last week, one of the fronts is for womankind. We don't have a queen in America. Obviously, we don't want one, or we would not be America. But we don't have a female leader like the queen, universally respected. We've never had a female president. She's more powerful than any female role model or leader that we've ever had in America. And she did it almost perfectly. I mean, you could make the case she did it perfectly. I mean, 70 years, not a single hint of scandal ever. Now, her children may be somewhat different, but let's talk about the

Queen. No scandal, never put a foot wrong, played the role of a constitutional monarch, did it in an exemplary style. And through this, she became the most famous person in the world, and I would argue, the most respected, and perhaps even loved person in the world, and I would argue the most respected and perhaps even loved person in the world. Didn't matter where you went, anywhere, any continent, the Queen, if you said the Queen, everyone knew exactly who you were talking about. So for our country, the loss is huge. King Charles, well, you know you know god save the king we wish him well but she's a very very difficult act to follow and you say well of course america would never want a constitutional monarchy i understand that there was a slight disagreement with a fellow called george iii

and america which of course was the first brexit if you think about it you know america leaves leaves the british empire goes on to become the most successful country in the world. And yet, I find most Americans I meet and talk to are fascinated by the British royal family. Yes, absolutely. Well, we have a link to it, of course, in our history. Somehow in our constitutional DNA, there's an imprint there. And people have strong feelings about it. Now, we were not Queen Elizabeth's subjects, but so many millions of Americans were her admirers for some of the reasons that you just listed. women a quiet dignity and class that is leaving us bit by bit as we turn to narcissism and selfie culture and absurd representations of women wherever we turn one of the things i mentioned

last week was was i won't get into the details of the song but this song by cardi b and megan the stallion called it's a stallion called wop you can google. It's very dirty. It's filthy. And to take it to the next level, Hillary Clinton, okay, the only female presidential candidate, Democratic nominee that we've ever had, decides to comment on this because she's trying to launch a new digital series with her daughter. And instead of saying, you know, there are certain things that I think cross over when it comes to class, when it comes to representation and role modeling for young girls, she decides to pretend that she's an embracer of it, which I don't believe. I think she's just pandering. But here's a little bit of what she said as she gushed over this song, Satu.

Chelsea follows rap music. She has ever since she was a little girl. But I kind of came to awareness of you with the Cardi B rap. I always wanted to do a song with Cardi. As soon as she sent me the song, I think I sent it back to her like the next day. And it was just so exciting. The men, they seem so confident in what they're saying

and they don't have no problem with talking about their sexuality and how they're going to have sex with you. So I was like, well, I can do that. And it's going to sound fire coming from a woman. It's great to see women be so fierce. That is my life's mission to make sure that I'm always unapologetically me. Oh, my God, the absurdity of Chelsea Clinton, who's literally accomplished nothing, piping in with it's great to see women be so fierce as though this is some profundity that we're supposed to move on thinking about nigel well it's absolutely ludicrous and it's interesting isn't it i mean we are a very old country um and yet we've been very lucky we had

queen elizabeth the first who saw off the spanish armada and kept our independence. We had Queen Victoria, who reigned for 60 years and oversaw the expansion of the British Empire, which I know it's not fashionable to talk about these days, but hey, she made us into the world's leading superpower, and now 70 years of Elizabeth II. I think we've produced some wonderful role models, and I think maybe, maybe the Clintons could learn a lesson. You see, rather than the Queen ever pretending to be anything other than

she was, what she was able to do was to have fun. Think of the Paddington Bear sketch just three months ago, where the Queen, you know, gets the sandwich out of her handbag. Think of the James Bond sketch that she did at the London Olympics in 2012. Did without even telling her family. That's a much better model for female leaders around the world than pretending somehow you're getting down and cool with the kids when it's clearly just not true.

Yeah, that's right. Hillary Clinton went on a day or two ago to compare Nancy Pelosi to the Queen, know, she reminds her of Queen Elizabeth. Like, oh, my God, how out of touch can you be? Absolutely ridiculous. You know, this woman, this woman, her life was devoted to others. It was one of incredible, massive self-sacrifice. She spread kindness and joy wherever she went. She traveled the world in a way that no global leader has ever done in history.

You know, little villages of mud huts in the outback in Africa, wherever she went. And she spread joy wherever she went. And I have to say, you know, when it comes to human kindness and goodness, she exemplified all of those things, those amazing values. And it's why I talked about the greatest generation. You know, these people went to war for liberty and freedom, not just of ourselves, but of countries in Europe and elsewhere around the world. And these days, it seems that we're living in a society where we're all in it for ourselves and to hell with everybody else. That's right. That's right. And everything gets reduced to, you know, the things over which we have no control, like gender or skin color, what have you. Some of the attacks on the Queen have been just awful. And people are free to say

what they want to say, but that doesn't mean we can't push back and say you're absurd. Megan, I have to say, I mean, I don't know what's going on with the editorial board of the New York Times in particular, but there are other American media outlets, you know, choosing, I mean, literally almost before the body was cold, you know, publishing these hard left Marxist academic articles, you know, condemning the Queen, basically saying that she was part of the colonial process and thereby, therefore, she's guilty of racism and slavery. I can't think, I can't think of any human being in the world, you know, who's done more for black populations, frankly, than Queen Elizabeth II. And amazing to think, isn't it? She wore uniform. She wore an army uniform in World War II.

She stood on the balcony at Buckingham Palace on Victory in Europe Day with Winston Churchill in 1945. The Queen always fought. She always fought against tyranny. She always fought for fairness. And as far as this country is concerned, and this country has changed since World War Two, immigration has changed the makeup of this country. But she was always welcoming to all of those communities. And I just think it's I don't say I don't know what The New York Times are trying to do. Clearly, I think trying to break the link between Brexit, Britain and America because they're globalist in their intent. Yes. And you gave me the chill talking about the Queen up there. We have a picture on the board of Winston Churchill.

Meanwhile, you've got people like this Carnegie Mellon professor, Uju Anya, who continues to attack the Queen. She made news saying she hoped her death was painful and worse. And now she comes out and says, doubles down. Speaking of the New York Times, this is a New York magazine's The Cut and sort of a similar publication writing that Queen Elizabeth was representative of the cult of white womanhood. Honestly, as though there's something inherently evil about being a white woman and just to diminish somebody of Queen Elizabeth's stature as representative of the cult of white womanhood is incredibly disrespectful. She gets away with it

when there was some pushback by the university who said she doesn't speak for us, students at the university writing a letter in support of her, criticizing the university's response, hundreds of current and former students, and of course you're going to be used to this kind of language, Nigel, saying, we reject calls for civility that are frequently leveraged against the marginalized to silence dissent. We express our solidarity with Dr. Anya and reject the tone policing of those with legitimate grievances.

Well, I mean, do you know what? In some ways, we can't blame. We can't blame these young people in some ways. They have been indoctrinated through our public education systems from a very early age. And if you think about it, actually, the Marxists have managed to march through the institutions in a very, very successful manner. What perhaps we should be doing, Megan, is blaming conservatives for allowing it to happen and for not standing up more stridently for the values that we believe in. And I do see this right across the Western world,

you know, so-called conservatives in government that allow all this sort of thing to happen without ever lifting a finger to stand up. Right, so weak-kneed. It makes you really want to be not associated with any party. That's how I am over here in America, because I look at these people saying, I'm not putting your jersey on my chest privately, certainly as a journalist I never have. But privately, I don't want the association. And the Republicans over

here are only figuring out in small groups how to fight somebody like Ron DeSantis, how to fight, how not to bend the knee to these folks whose approval they've sought so desperately for decades now and they've just lost. Yeah, absolutely. There are examples like Ron DeSantis. But I mean, you know, the reason I broke away from the British Conservative Party almost exactly 30 years ago was because they'd given up on being Conservative. They'd given up on the concept of a nation state. They'd given up on us being independent. I have to say, what a marvellous moment that was yesterday. King Charles III walks in to the 900-year-old Westminster Hall, to the assembled sitting of the House of Commons

and the House of Lords, the King in parliament. Literally, that was sovereignty. It represented everything I fought for. And the Conservatives fought me, the British Conservatives fought me for half a century until they realised it was inevitable. And then they went with it. And you see this in Australia, you see it amongst the rhinos, you see it all over the world. Conservatives that frankly just aren't conservative, they're far more like metropolitan liberals. And yet, outside the beltways, in the middle of our countries, there is still a clear, settled majority for common sense. You know, ordinary folk don't talk about pregnant people. They talk about pregnant women. I mean, that's just the way that it is. And yet conservatives have been so scared of criticism by mainstream media, so scared of the hate mobs on Twitter and elsewhere, but they backed away and allowed so much of this to go wrong. So we need robust, committed conservatives across the Western world, people who believe that our civilization is founded on Judeo-Christian

principles, people who believe in free speech, freedom of association, and people who understand that if you say something that causes offense, provided it's not insightful, then that actually is how free speech works. And it's what generations that went before us actually fought for. And I think our queen understood those things perfectly. So before we move on from the royal family, because I do want to talk to you about how to fight,

you could write a treatise on it. A quick question about the Harry and Meghan, because they Tom Bauer, who's, you know, barn burner of a book about the royal family. It was number one everywhere. He was on with our mutual friend Dan Wooten talking about Harry's autobiography, which is slated for release, I guess now this November. And according to Dan and others, the royal family does not want to see the publication of this book. They fear and believe that it's going to be very negative about the royal family. And now given the fact that the

queen just died, the timing is far from ideal. So Bowers goes on with Dan during GB News' royal coverage. And here's what happened. At the end, it's down to whether Harry and Meghan are prepared to apologize to Kate and William. My suspicion is I'm convinced they won't apologize. Even worse, I'm told tonight that Harry's insisting that his book is published in November. You're kidding. Absolutely. It's absolutely astonishing. He's insisting. Apparently the publishers are not too certain,

but he says that if they don't publish, you'll breach a contract. That's what I'm told. And it's extraordinary because I think that, on the other hand, it fits the bill because Harry and Meghan's finances depend entirely on the book and on Netflix. And also, I think they're convinced they're in the right, and they want to get their own back. And I think that part of the problem in getting them to come out on that walk yesterday

was very much because they can't decide whether they should appear or not. After all, they didn't plan to be here for a funeral. They thought they were coming for just a visit to promote themselves. They've been caught up in it. What do you make of that, Nigel? Well, Tom Bauer. Tom Bauer is the biographer of our times. Written the most incredible books about members of the royal family,

about big business figures, political figures, Boris Johnson, Richard Branson, you name it. I'm very pleased that it wasn't him, but somebody else that wrote a big biography about me. Because Tom Bauer is really good at putting his finger on those personality flaws. And by the way, we all have them, of course. We all have them. So would Harry go ahead with this book? Well, think about this. When the Oprah Winfrey interview happened, right, Harry and Meghan knew that his grandfather was at death's door. They knew that Philip was not going to make his 100th birthday,

and that was only 10 weeks away. And they still went ahead with the interview. This trip to the UK, they came here this time. You know, Meghan gave a speech up in Manchester. They went to Dusseldorf for an event. Do you know, they weren't even going to go and visit the Queen on this trip. And I thought Charles's words in the King's speech were very interesting. He talked about Kate or Catherine, as we're now branding her, and William as the new Prince and

Princess of Wales. But when he referred to Harry and Meghan, he didn't call them the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. No, no, no, no, no. He talked about my love for Harry, Meghan and their family who are now building their new life overseas. This is what King Charles III said. And I read into that, you're living on the West Coast of America. We want nothing to do with you. Please stay there. Interesting. Well, I do think it was interesting that Megan comes over. She goes out there to sort of shake the hands of people. And let's be honest about it. Megan and Harry made the Queen's last two years much more difficult than they needed to be. them glad handing with the mourners when you name me somebody else who caused more agita to the poor queen in her last two years of life than those two right i mean yeah yeah it was so disrespectful it was so wrong in every way but i'll tell you what's interesting the queen's body is going to arrive queen's coffin will arrive at buckingham Palace in about two and a half hours time.

OK, and there there will be a military detachment. Of course, there will be the king and the queen consort. There will be the prince and princess of Wales. But the Duke and Duchess of Sussex will not be there. And what this tells you through the words that King Charles used, through the very fact they will not be there to meet the Queen's body as it arrives in Buckingham Palace, and goodness me, what a sombre, what a sombre emotional moment that's going to be

in two and a half hours. But the fact they're not there tells you everything. The firm, as the royal family have known, have effectively excommunicated them because they know Harry will go ahead with this book, do it to make money and do his best, not just to damage the monarchy and his own father and brother, but he'll do it because he wants to damn the United Kingdom, the British around the world. I've never seen such disloyalty in all of my life. Quite what Megan's done to them, how it's come to this, I simply don't know.

She was glad handing with the mourners the other day, and it made news that a few of them refused to shake her hand. You can see it in the video. A couple of women just looked down or didn't extend the hand. And now you've got Megan's followers on Twitter. And we're showing the video for the people who watch us on YouTube. The woman putting on her sunglasses avoids Megan. Then there's a woman in a dark blue shirt with gray hair who clearly does not want to shake her hand. And now you've got all these people on Twitter accusing these women, wait for it, of racism. That they're racists because they...

Do you know what? Aren't we getting slightly bored with all this? Yes. I mean, the use of this word. I mean, we should stop getting... Do you know what? We should stop even worrying about it. It's become utterly meaningless. It's a substitute for any form of engagement or intelligent debate. And I think we've got to just stop worrying about all these attacks. They mean nothing. What do you make of the Oprah thing? Because I will say Oprah weighed in on Meghan and Harry today. I mean, she was sort of she was in on ground zero of the racism accusation Meghan and Harry launched against the royal family. And now Oprah is calling for sort of a healing moment.

We have the soundbite in an interview she gave to Extra. It's soundbite one. We lost another trailblazer this week, the Queen. Oh, you sat down with Meghan and Harry. We're seeing the four of them together now in London. Is there a hope out there that in some way her passing would be a way to unify the family, maybe heal some wounds? Well, this is what I think. I think in all families, you know, my father passed recently this summer. for a common ceremony, the ritual of, you know, burying your dead,

there's an opportunity for peacemaking. Yeah. And hopefully there will be that. Yeah. Well, that, I mean, that is true, of course. I mean, there's barely a family on the planet where someone's not speaking to someone. I mean, that's just the way families

what is true is true you know very true and then and then we all come together you know it's the uncle's funeral or whatever it is and we all come together um and it is an opportunity for rapprochement to be made um and there was a minor rapprochement when william reached out and they and they went out as you say windsor and looked at the flowers and met some of the mourners there. But it has no long-term future if he's going to go ahead with this book. So, Oprah, sorry, I'm not with you at all. And can I just say also, she must be the worst interviewer on the planet. The idea that Oprah Winfrey is this big genius.

So what happened with that interview was, of course, the first half of it was with Meghan. Halfway through, Harry gets dragged in, directly contradicts some of the things that Meghan has said in the first half, and Winfrey didn't even pick up on it. So I'm not particularly impressed with her ability to do interviews and to find out the truth. Well, that's the thing.

I mean, she helped light the bonfire that was the last two years for the royal family and the queen. So I don't know that she's the right person to be commenting on healing for that family. A proper interviewer would have said in the moment, you can't make an allegation like that without naming names. You've essentially impugned everyone from the queen and Prince Philip on down. Prince Philip is on his deathbed. Would you care to at least exclude him and Her Majesty the Queen? At least that would have been a good follow up. It didn't happen the same way as the Cut magazine, New York magazine's offshoot.

The Cut refused to say to Meghan, the British press is calling your children the N-word? Who? When? Show me the publication. That would have been international news. Yeah, it's not true. None of it's true. It's all this, look at me, I'm a victim, aren't the royal family beastly? It's all wrong. It's false. But it's funny, you know, at the time, people that stood up and called it false you know in many cases not only got abused on social media but you could even lose your job over it isn't it yeah isn't it mad well and that really that really i think very neatly brings us on to the mess that we're in across the western world that we've allowed these narratives to permeate to a level. We've allowed bullying. We've allowed bullying to get to a level where people are cancelled,

people lose their jobs, people are excluded from polite society for simply having convictions or beliefs. This is where we've got to. And it's very, very scary. And I just repeat the point I made a few minutes ago. I blame conservatives more than I blame the hard left. I blame these faux conservatives. They pretend to stand up for Judeo-Christian principles. They pretend to stand up for the family. They pretend to stand up for free speech. And yet, because there's so many of them are simply career politicians, all they care about is getting reelected next time round, not taking too much flack, having an easy life, getting a very, very nice job as a non-executive director on a board somewhere after their term in Congress or Parliament, or wherever it may be, that we've allowed all of this stuff to overwhelm us without anybody really standing up and fighting now it's not easy you know i mean i know about this stuff because i've taken some very strong principled stands and you get called all the names under the sun and you get more and

you get more death threats than you had the week before and you get abused in the streets of London by a certain group of person. But it's how you win. You don't win by running away. You win by standing and fighting and having conviction and knowing that actually what you're doing is counteracting a madness that is threatening to completely overtake our society. Too few conservatives have done that. And that makes me that does make me very, very angry. So let's we're going to talk tactics. Like, what does that mean?

What does it look like to fight? I'm going to squeeze in a break before we do that. But I'll just point out one thing to your point. Piers Morgan lost his job at Good Morning Britain because he was on the air the day after that Oprah interview. I was there with him. I was I was their lead guest at 7 a.m. And he said he did not believe her claims. He didn't believe her racism allegation.

He didn't believe that she was suicidal and the king and the palace overlooked it. And he did not believe her claim that her child was never going to be a prince because of the color of his skin. Her child is a prince now. And the weatherman, the weatherman is the one who drove Piers up the wall that day because he. That's her truth. And Piers had had it. That's what forced him to walk off because he then attacked Piers personally and said, you've got a personal beef with her rather than accepting his professional criticisms. And ultimately, Piers was forced to either apologize or leave his position. And he chose the latter. He's doing fine. But to your point, these narratives, they've been allowed to get away with them, whether it's Meghan and Harry or the established left.

Absolutely. On the previous narrative that took hold, Pears was on completely the wrong side, which was Black Lives Matter. You know, unless you. Oh, you know, if Pears was in charge, we'd all still be locked down, I think. But BLM was astonishing. Within 24 hours of the death of George Floyd, there were police officers taking Monee in London. Again, you see, lack of leadership. Here was an organisation committed to destroying the police force. It begins with defunding. It then means total replacement. And yet, you know, that narrative took hold. And I was cancelled cancelled i was cancelled over blm i was cancelled for a very successful radio show do you know what i did i read out the black lives matter website on air right cancel for yourself yeah i wasn't i wasn't even giving an

opinion i was just telling you telling the people what the organization stood for so but you've always been fearless. Nigel, that's the thing that's so interesting about you. I look back at your history well before the cancellation brigade was out there and coming for you. It seems like you've always been fearless. Now I read in your bio, because I'm getting to know you better, there actually is a point in your life where that switch was turned on.

None of us wants to go through this same experience, but that's as good a place as any for me to squeeze in my commercial break, come back with Nigel on that moment and how to fight in two minutes. Don't miss this. Really enjoying this exchange. So Nigel, there was a moment in 2010 that was a before and after and crashed um and it was all pretty dramatic stuff i was trapped in the wreckage there were two of us on the plane i was trapped in the wreckage covered in fuel oil thinking well i've survived the impact um but we're probably gonna you know i can see the picture now i'd rather not see it to be honest with you so yeah

we have it up for the youtube audience i know know. It's not something I look at. Unbelievable that I survived. I mean, I was badly broken. I mean, everything was ribs and split sternum and punctured lungs and all sorts of things like that. But, hey, you know what? I'm here. I'm alive.

I'm healthy. The pilot's not here. And this is the way life can be so i ever since 2010 have taken the view that i really shouldn't be here and because of that you've got to treat you really have to treat life as a bonus you value what life is quite a lot more i think than i did before and you know something when you've been in a plane that's coming down to earth and you think this is your last few seconds, why on earth would I worry about some loser criticising me on Twitter? I think probably it did make me even more fearless in standing up in the European Parliament, standing up in front of, you know, sort of

baying mobs on BBC programmes in this country. I think I wouldn't recommend an experience like this for anyone watching. This is not exactly recommended training, but it did help me to be able to be. I suppose the word is brave or brave or stupid. I mean, you know, pay your money. Fine line. Yeah, we are. But it probably is really. But mean, you know, pay your money, take it. Fine line. Yeah, we are, but it probably is, really.

But I'll tell you what's interesting. You know, if one person is prepared to stand up like Kirk Douglas and say, I'm Spartacus, you know, when people see others taking a lead, saying and emoting on issues that they feel the same about, that then gives them the room to feel comfortable and stand up. And it's, you know, in this week when we're mourning the loss of the Queen, you know, we're remembering her faultless leadership. That's why tens of millions of people in this country have been in tears for the last week. Human beings need leaders. Human beings need someone to shine a light.

And when those figures come along, they follow. So what is needed? What is needed within conservative movements are people of courage, people who've got some integrity, but above all, people who've got courage. And you mentioned Ron DeSantis earlier on. Well, thank goodness the conservative movement in America is beginning to find some stars like him. And whatever you think of Donald Trump, you know, and some people think he's a bit rough around the edges. Others think he's a total hero.

I like him very much personally. But again, Trump does actually have courage. You know, he stands up and confronts these issues. But I'm not seeing much of that in the current British Conservative Party. Well, I know you've written that Liz Truss has her work cut out for her because your country is going through a lot of the same things that mine is. You know, you have a massive crime issue. You have massive problems with immigration. Your inflation numbers are out of control. Europe, in a way that even puts America to shame, is dealing with a massive energy

crisis right now, where I'm told that you could be looking at, I don't know, is it 22%? Is that what I read? It was something that you had written. 22% inflation next year if the energy prices continue to climb and energy bills through the roof. Yeah, 22% inflation is a real possibility. In fact, Liz Truss was giving her first major speech as prime minister when a piece of paper was delivered into the House of Commons explaining the Queen's health predicament. So we didn't really get all of that debate. Now, if trust does what she does, it may help in the short term to bring those inflation rates down. But please, anybody watching or listening to this in America, learn a lesson. Europe and the United Kingdom have willfully and deliberately decided they do not want to be energy self-sufficient. No, no, no. We're going

green. We're going to be the good guys. We're going to save the world. Never mind that China is building 80 gigantic new coal-fired power stations every year. Never mind that the UK produces less than 1% of global CO2. No, we are going to make sure that our consumer bills are loaded with big subsidy, which we can give to multinational corporations. They can then pay it on to Chinese companies manufacturing wind turbines, and we can call ourselves the savior of the world. And oh dear, something's gone wrong. And the lights may now go out in February. It is complete and utter madness. You know, if renewable technology works fine, but it shouldn't have government subsidy. It should operate and work in the free market. And if you rely on intermittent energy too much, you leave yourselves in a very, very vulnerable position. And this was

Boris Johnson. I mean, Blair started all this 20 years ago. But Boris Johnson's biggest single policy failure is through his net zero target. He encouraged manufacturing jobs to leave the country and for us to import lots of our energy. And that says, look, we've cut our CO2 output. It is completely insane. And Trump did put America in the right place on energy. Biden, well, he doesn't seem to be so keen, but to be self-sufficient in an uncertain world. And that's what Europe hasn't done. And Putin, Putin now has, Putin now has the West in the palm of his hand. And if he decides to turn very, very nasty, then we could be in real trouble. The restrictions now that they're imposing in various European countries are really eye-opening. Not only are they turning off the lights overnight in places like the Brandenburg Gate, for example,

and Berlin is no longer going to be illuminated. In Hanover in Germany last month, hot water was cut off at public buildings. The city of Augsburg decided to turn off its traffic lights to conserve. Spain, in Spain, they've limited air conditioning to no cooler than 81 degrees Fahrenheit, 27 degrees Celsius. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy talk. Even France, which is mostly nuclear, is now going to fine people for keeping doors open with shopkeepers with the air conditioning running, which happens everywhere and so on. So this is our future too, unless we get energy costs under control here and decide to open back up the spigot of oil and natural gas.

Yeah. I mean, look, everything in the UK and to some extent in Europe, too, hinges on Putin, but it hinges even more on the weather. Can you believe it? If we get a long, cold, hard winter, there are parts of Europe and the UK in which the lights will literally go off. And think about it. I mean, we need energy now more than we ever did. Computerization, the very device I'm talking to you on right now, cell phones, all of it. And if the lights go out this winter, I cannot, and it's a cold winter, I cannot even begin to imagine what the death toll is going to be. So go green, go cold, go green, people die in large numbers, go green, And the Chinese laugh at you and build three new coal fired power stations, at least three every single month. It is utter madness. But that's the lemming like mentality of career politics. They all get together at the G7, the G20, whatever it is. And they're full of self-congratulation for their own stupidity. So what people listening to this conversation who feel as you do, who don't believe the green energy narrative being spoon-fed to us,

and the people who want to fight back against the constant racism accusations, and the people who want to fight back against these massive government overhauls of society and control over, and so on. What is the Nigel Farage footprint, blueprint for fighting? So in America, America's in a much better position than we are, because so many posts in America are up for election. Take school boards. Normally on school boards, you will get activist political parents that get on school boards they in many cases got nothing better to do with their lives but the ordinary parents who are busy with their jobs and everything else in the past haven't there's evidence in parts of

america i saw some in texas myself where just good ordinary decent people say right we will not have our kids taught that America is a disgusting, shameful country with a horrible past. We're actually quite proud of what our forebears did when they came here and built this amazing country. So you can stand for school boards. You also, in America, have an open primary system, which gives you the opportunity to vote for your candidates that are going up for public office. So I do think in the States, there's a lot you can do to make sure you get the right people and people of courage. In other countries, it's a little bit harder. Here, it's a little bit harder, because

we don't have an open primary system, which is why, you know, I can't run to be leader of the Conservative Party. For example, we don't have that kind of system. But we still could exert our influence. We still can tell elected politicians that unless they change course, we will not vote for them next time round. And so it's interesting that, and Brexit is an example of this. You know, the rise of the UK Independence Party from nothing to winning a national election, which it did in 2014 in the European elections. That was a grassroots revolution. Yes, it had leadership, but it was a grass.

My job was to be there at the top. My job was to give people hope. My job was to make people think if you're prepared to do something, we can change the way we live in this country. People believed it. They acted and we did. Ultimately, leaders can only do so much. Ultimately, every one of you out there collectively can change things and can change our destiny. And that really, I think, is the big message of hope. You know, things look really bad and we're vexed over some of the great stupidities, some of the absurdities, some of the unpleasantness that we're seeing because of this woke council culture mob. And it worries us and it scares us. But you know something? We can beat it. We just have to get enough people to stand up and say enough.

You predicted Brexit would happen and led the movement that ultimately resulted in it happening. You predicted Donald Trump would win the 2016 presidential election when very few people actually believed that. So do you predict now that whether it's the right, the conservatives, or just I call them the people of reason, will find their spines to stand up against this nonsense in your country and mine, and that 10 years from now, we'll be in a much better place when it comes to all of this? Well, the history of humankind, the history of humankind is that big ideas, whether they were economic ideas, scientific ideas, social ideas, big ideas that can control vast majorities at one moment in time can be looked back upon 20 years later. People say, God, they must have been really stupid in the olden days to believe in stuff like that. So what I mean is that pendulums swing back and forth through history in a much bigger way than we ever think living through the particular moment that concerns us. And I think

there's some evidence already that it's happening. I think transgender sport is an example. You know, Leah Thomas turns up at sort of six foot three with, you know, hands about three times the size of mine and starts winning, starts winning swimming races. And, you know, through the Olympic Federation and elsewhere, we're beginning to see the application of common sense coming into women's sport. It's only a very, very small beginning. It will take a long time. And the reason it will take so long is because the real battle, the biggest battle of all, is going to be reform of the educational establishments. That is where the real poison, that is where the real problem is.

But yes, we can turn this around, fight back. And yes, we can win. Brick by brick. Nigel Farage, what a pleasure. Please come back. Thank you. We are going to be right back with a musician fighting back after being smeared over COVID. He decided to fight.

And those in his crosshairs include the LA Times. We'll get into what happened to him. And don't forget, folks, you can find The Megyn Kelly Show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 every weekday at noon east, and the full video show and clips by subscribing to our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash Megyn Kelly. If you prefer an audio podcast, follow and download on Apple, Spotify, Pandora, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts for free. Our next guest is a well-known singer, songwriter, and musician who has an incredible story. He was discovered in the 1990s by, oh, Peter Gabriel, and spent the next 25 years as a musician releasing more than a dozen albums. When the COVID pandemic hit, he began to speak freely about some of his doubts when it came to lockdowns, masking, and eventually the vaccine. And then came the pushback, including the LA Times writing an article on his views

and explicitly calling him an anti-vaxxer. He has brought a defamation case against the publication now over their portrayal of him, claiming he was shunned and avoided in the music community as a result, and that they intentionally misled the readers and continue to read misleaders on things like who he really is. Despite the backlash and the struggles, Joseph Arthur continues to speak out because, as he says, speak your mind or lose your mind. Oh, that is so true. Joseph, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me on, Megan. I really appreciate it. I love that is so true. Joseph, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me on Megan. I really appreciate it. I love the t-shirt and I completely agree. The new fashion line that we're just promoting, speak your mind, shopjosepharthur.com, little plug there right at the top. And weirdly that's controversial. I mean, maybe less so today than in 2020 and 2021 than, you say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it. I mean, that's kind of what I always thought was key in American values and just sort of the soul of America, really. So I first got alarmed when they canceled Alex Jones. I didn't really know much about Alex Jones. I't like on that side of the political spectrum i always consider myself on the left um but i was like that's weird why is nobody really speaking about

this and and it starts with an extreme character like that you know they start with somebody they're not going to get pushback and then it goes all the way to trying to cancel someone like joe rogan who is obviously very middle of the road by, you know, by evidence, by the fact that he's the most popular voice in media. You couldn't be that if you weren't a middle of the road. So that's how this thing goes. And it's, it's just interesting that it continues. And even now, um, with the CDC backpedaling on their COVID guidelines and saying they made mistakes. Fauci saying he's planning on stepping down, them blaming it on Trump for pushing it to the FDA too hard. So they're obviously backpedaling, but then there's still this kind of lockdown on what you

can and cannot say in the media or big tech platforms like Twitter and Instagram and Facebook. And yet, so we're in this period of real cognitive dissonance, I feel like, you know, where it's like, what is it? Is this a bust? Because it seems like a total bust and everybody knows that now. But yet we're still trying to pretend like it's viable and valid. I don't know. It's weird. What do you think? Well, I think it's fascinating and distressing that it's crossed over from hot button issues like race, which you still should be able to say whatever the hell you want to say about organizations like Black Lives Matter, which we now know is basically run by a bunch of

fraudsters. We should be able to say that. And it shouldn't be a cancelable offense. And you'd be able to push back on, you know, the growing change when it comes to identity politics and how, you know, why is it okay to discriminate against Asians suddenly in the college setting? You know, we had Vivek Ramaswamy on yesterday talking about his new book. So now Asians are at the bottom of the identity totem pole. You can crap all over them, just as long as you're elevating somebody who happens to have a different color skin. That's absurd. It's illegal. Right. You should be able to say that and not lose your job or be shunned or ostracized.

So I believe you should be able to talk like that. But I understand that those are very hot button issues. But when it crosses over into science, into our freedoms, into what we have to put into our bodies to exist in polite society, to say you cannot express your opinion is next level insanity. And that's what you got swept up into. Well, you know what? Science became religion when science turned into the science. Once they put the the in front of it, that's when it boxed itself in. That's when it was like no longer science. It became the science once they put the the in front of it that's when it boxed itself in that's when it was like no longer science it became the science and language is interesting in this whole thing like also like when you um got this uh segregated essentially for not taking the jab which is you know there's not really that many adequate synonyms for the word segregation.

There's like separatism. None of them really hit the mark. But if you use that word, you got pillared as a racist or as very insensitive. Yeah. So it's just this attack on language as well. And of course, the nature of science is open-ended debate. And it was ridiculous. Even a long time ago, before Rogan started speaking out about ivermectin, there was so much anecdotal evidence that ivermectin was healing tons of people. You could read comment threads on many platforms, people talking about how much success they had with that. And ivermectin has a safety protocol better than Tylenol. So even if it was just placebo in a pandemic, you should allow

people to have it because as we all know, placebo effects are actually effective, but it was more than a placebo effect. And the fact that that stuff was demonized, that you couldn't even mention ivermectin, these were the alarm bells that there's something nefarious going on. Like Brett Weinstein just did a thing on his channel dark horse podcast where it was like 10 he said he said i forget who he was talking to but he said if you did the opposite of everything they told you to do you would have done much better and that that's pretty much apparent right now that's like sweden and then he said um if they got one or two things wrong,

you could chalk it up to they made a mistake. But if it's 10 out of 10, then there's a conspiracy there or a so-called conspiracy or an agenda. And that seems evident when they demonize things like Ivermectin. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, breaks that down in technicolor. Yeah, yeah. He's been on our show. We've talked about it with him at length. But yeah, no, I understand. And I think, yeah, an agenda is probably a better word than a conspiracy because some conspiracy theories really are lunacy. I mean, truly, like the one that everybody knows is the Q one where like the Democrats have some pedophile ring out of a pizza shop in DC. Like people believe that that's crazy stuff that that's not happening. So yeah, conspiracy, I don't like but agenda I like and I agree with. Yeah, I was using conspiracy

in the actual definition of the word when two or like we could conspire to go bowling later, you know, when two people say, hey, let's go bowling they're they're in a conspiracy to go bowling so oh shit but you're right that word is kind of thrown out it's English language but but what you're saying is correct and and it's it's linked to what happened to you and millions of other Americans yeah and I do wonder we'll get to like the LA Times and all that but you just do the blowback that you've had in speaking your mind against mask mandates against the Vax assertions that were being put out there that we now know are untrue and what we now know is that the pushback on on your pushback was orchestrated it really was coming down from on high from our COVID gods who we now know thanks to FOIA requests by media organizations and

congressional testimony, and the Republicans in the House got their hands on some great documents, that Collins and Fauci and Walensky and others at our National Institutes of Health and so on really were working together to silence and ruin any dissenting voices. Yeah, they made examples out of us. It's funny because part of what my sort of idealistic viewpoint on speaking out was, hey, if I speak out, it'll inspire others to speak out. And to me, this stuff was clear because I was doing all kinds of research. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I had a flu shot relatively recently before COVID. So it wasn't like I had an automatic knee jerk. All vaccines are bad.

Of course, they've done more to turn people into real vaccine skeptics over this as only makes sense. You know, a lot of people's viewpoints are changing as they should because we're seeing things a lot more clearly. We're seeing layers come off of the ruse of politics and big pharma and how much corruption there is. But yeah, they made an example out of me for sure. And I think I maybe had the opposite effect of instead of inspiring people, they made sure to scare people off of speaking their mind because i was quite early on this was before rogan started speaking up and before russell brand started really going ham on it um and so i mean i had a good career in music and art and but but it was a cult level let's call it you know and so to get a four- Sunday times, uh, feature in the LA times

art section, uh, was a bit much and yeah, they went after, they started interviewing people in my life. They were really digging and they called me an extremist and stuff like that. Stand by. I'll, I'll tee that up in one sec because I'm going to spend a little bit more time having the audience get to know you and your background before we get to the LA Times hit job. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you, where are you from originally? Ohio. That's why I'm a revolutionary because all the best revolutionaries come from Ohio. That's like my producer, Canadian Debbie. She used, she's from Ohio. She was like lighting off pipe bombs when she was a kid. Exactly. We were bored. All we could do was acid and listen to Led Zeppelin. Sorry, am I allowed to say that?

You never disclosed that to me. So I get it. I get it. So you decide, you get into music. And what was your first instrument? Was it guitar? What was the thing that got you really into it? Bass guitar. I slap and pop like flea. And so I was a professional musician before I got out of high school. I played five nights a week. Were you a loser in high school? Was music your escape or were you like the hot guy popular? I was an outlier, similar to how I am in the world now. I feel like I don't know. Some would call me a loser. Some would call me the hot guy. I don't like maybe somewhere in between. I don't know. Like, you know, I kind of found humor when I was a very young kid. I did first grade twice because the first time I was bullied really bad. I mean, I think some people just have that sort of spirit in them where they're they're going to buck the system, you know, from very early on. And I think I just have that in me.

I guess you could call it the punk rock spirit. I don't know. I like that. Yeah. So I played bass five nights a week in this band called Frankie Star and Chill Factor. I was part of Chill Factor. And we opened up for Stevie Ray Vaughan a couple of times. I mean, we were a big blues band in Cleveland.

It was awesome. Like, cause you know, there's so many bands trying to just get noticed a little. So what was the moment where you're like, holy shit, now we're going to open the Stevie Ray. Frankie Starr was a genius prodigy guitar player. Still is. Still probably playing the Cleveland scene.

And yeah, we just, we had the clubs packed out. I was making 50 bucks a night, five nights a week in high school. I mean, that's good. That's good money, especially for the clubs packed out. I was making 50 bucks a night, five nights a week in high school. I mean, that's good. That's good money, especially for somebody with no expenses. Well, how old are you now? 50. Yeah.

So you're about my age. Yeah. So that's like, that's late eighties. That's a lot of dollars. I can tell you that's a lot more money than I was making teaching aerobics back at the time, which is how I was paying my, my young teenage bills and far less cool than what you were doing. And, and so then you start to collaborate. Aerobics back at the time which is how i was paying my my young teenage bills and far less cool than what you were doing and and so then you start to collaborate you know what it keeps you in shape that's i'm gonna say that's nice yeah another another life in it another body um sadly now wait

i was looking at the list of where did i put it of the guys who you have partnered with like on your music and it's it music? And it's, it's crazy. Like it's incredibly impressive. I mentioned Peter Gabriel. I noticed that you had a collaboration with, uh, with my friends at Pearl jam, who I just saw the other night.

Thanks to the guys at serious. Um, it was, it was the base, the bass player, right? Yeah. Jeff,

who you worked with. Yeah. Um, yeah. Okay. Uh, Danny Harrison, George Harrison of the Beatles, uh, son, Ben Harper, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Danny Harrison, George Harrison of the Beatles.

Son. Ben Harper. Love Ben Harper. Amazing. Love all these people, by the way. Still love all these people. Michael Stipe of R.E.M. Right.

Chris Martin of Coldplay. I could keep going. So your career just took off. Well, Chris I never played with. Chris covered one of my songs called In the Sun with Michael for a Katrina relief thing. But I never worked with Chris. But yeah, I've worked with lots of amazing people. I've been very blessed, very fortunate.

And by the way, I don't have any animosity towards anyone that thinks differently than me. And I really wish people in general could disagree on issues that are important and yet still remain friends and civil. That's the thing that I think is most important out of all this is that it's okay to debate, it's okay to disagree, and you don't have to demonize people's character because they think differently and see things differently. This is a story of my life. I mean, I'm living this as you are. All of my friends know my political views. I mean, I talk about it all the time for a living. And some of them, most of them are left or liberal. Some of them are far left. I got a couple of friends who are way out there. And, you know, we just we don't talk about politics when we're together. I know

what their views are because I see them on on social media. They know what my views are because I put them out there publicly. But we don't have to talk about politics. you know, like imagine before COVID, if you cared about whether or not somebody got a flu shot based, like, you know, you based your continued friendship on, Hey, did you get your flu shot? It's like, no one ever asked that question. No one cares. You were, as I understand it, you were of the left, you were more left leaning. Oh yeah. Absolutely. I was. Yeah. back then I was. And I don't really like those divides now. I like Bill Maher's take a little bit. I think he's in this red pill journey that's really interesting. He did this cool interview with Aaron Rodgers, who's emerging as a real voice of reason, which is awesome to have a quarterback become a voice of reason like this is fun for society. But yeah, I relate to his journey with it. I think I'm also waking up to the propaganda campaigns that are identical to the one for the COVID narrative. And to me,

they all blur as one movement for subjugation and control. So I suppose that angles me a little more right leaning these days. But, you know, I never felt good with those distinctions are used as divisive measures now. And I think that that's the opposite direction we need to go to as a society. I see you as like a Jennifer say, you know, the woman who was about to be CEO of Levi's and she gently, she's living in San Francisco for God's sake. And she gently pushed back on like the mask mandates being forced on her kids. And she was treated like she was calling for immediate death penalty for all sixth graders.

I mean, the reaction to this poor woman was absolute madness. She was in, she's not in a creative industry exactly, but she was in a serious position of power in corporate America, another place where you cannot have free speech, according to the gods, you know, Fauci and others when it comes to certain issues. So yeah, you, most of her friends were of the left. She was from San Francisco. You had built a fan base that I guess was more lefty. Total, total, total lefty fan base. And I say this with all due respect to them. And I hope they come on back now. Yeah but but unfortunately because when it descended on me it's like it was a it was a nuclear bomb to what i had spent the last 25 years building for sure yeah so you it

wasn't the la times comes out with this four-page uh piece on you in august of 2021 but you had been you know flirting with totally exposing your views i don't i feel like you had been, you know, flirting with totally exposing your views. I don't, I feel like you had said a lot about, you know, challenging these authorities prior to that point. Is that correct? Yeah, no, that's why they, that's why they sought me out. Cause I was already kind of going ham and I was getting told by a bunch of people to stop talking and, and I just couldn't do it. I've heard other people talk about this. I already mentioned Brett Weinstein. I guess I'm a fan apparently, but he,

yeah, he's great. And he had said he had no choice. And that was something with me as well. I, I was very shy to speak my mind about anything really heavily. Like when the, when the lockdowns first started, I was making sort of abstract art videos against the masks and stuff, but I kept it abstract and

artsy. So I was kind of like fence sitting a little bit. I went bold as soon as they said, we're going to give this to children. That's when I was like, that's when whatever was in me that demanded I speak up, really demand I speak up. And that's when I said, there's no reason to give this to kids. This is experimental. Kids have a very, very low chance of anything horrific happening to them as a result of this, if any chance, this doesn't make sense. This is not rational at all. This makes no sense. And I thought I would get some support with that because it was about the kids. I wasn't ducking under the kids. It really was because I just love children, I think, as most people do. And they they're innocent they need to be protected and so I just felt a moral imperative at that moment that I couldn't cycle anymore

you were so naive you were just walking oh my god like the lion's gonna take care of me the lion oh yeah I'll be fine no I was as naive as you can be. I blame that on Ohio as well. You need to spend more time with Debbie. On Facebook, this is April 2020. And I feel you, Joseph. I got to say, I was in Montana with my family during that part of the pandemic when we were in doing the real lockdown. Beautiful place.

Beautiful. Awesome. And I remember a guy came over because like our heater broke and he had to come fix the heater at our place beautiful awesome world and i remember a guy came over because like our heater broke and he had to come fix the heater at our place out there and he came in wearing a mask and i i'm like you don't need that thing on your face and he goes oh thank god and we just had a laugh about you know the absurdity because people are like oh it was already turning into like your duty your sign to the world so you according to what i'm reading we're already in the same place that first couple weeks of the pandemic of course we're all like like your duty, your sign to the world. So you, according to what I'm reading,

we're already in the same place. The first couple of weeks of the pandemic, of course, we're all like, what's happening? All right, we'll try it. We'll do our part. Then you get to April. Already, it's like,

this is kind of stupid. I'm not wiping a grocery and I'm not wearing this stupid mask outside. And this is what you posted on Facebook, which is very bold. It's bold for a musician with an entirely lefty fan base. Okay, here's what you posted on facebook which is very bold it's bold for a musician with an entirely lefty fan base okay here's what you write who's in control here are we part of a social experiment always and forever don't listen to fear what you create comes back to you the rules are unclear though or are they crystal people hidden in masks throw their eyes like darts at the suspicion in the air

demarcations separate us by six feet in grocery store lines what's your inner voice saying ah yes good stuff good stuff so you're you know as they say just ask him that's not just asking listen did you get blow back there or no i don don't remember. I might have already been terrified of comments at that. That reminds me of Naomi Wolf's book, though, which I've been sort of semi-obsessed with lately, The Bodies of Others. Excellent book on what happened. Just she is an amazing mind. And she talks about the demarcations in it and how this new thing of infantilizing adults crept in.

And that was kind of put in beneath all this was like demarcations. That's what they do at nursery schools for children. Like you can recommend adults stay a safe distance. You know, the six feet thing obviously is just, you're making that up. Conspiracy. Yeah. Conspiracy theorists six feet thing, obviously, is just you're making that up. Which they've admitted. Yeah. Conspiracy theorists could go like, oh, six feet, six feet deep. You keep suggesting death.

You know, I realize that goes out there with my tinfoil hat. But, you know, it's the interesting part is the infantilizing thing that happened amongst all this and that that crept in that we'll make the rules for you. We know better. You just do what you're told. All that suggestion was coming in and still comes in. It's kind of fascinating. And shut up about it. Shut up. You would not. Fast forward to June, June of 2021. You post on Facebook a screenshot of Fauci's email to Sylvia Burwell in which he rips on masks. Like, of course, because Fauci does. He knew that the masks didn't work.

Writing in part, this is Fauci. The typical mask you buy in the drugstore is not really effective in keeping out the virus. Hello. And you post, I remember a year or so ago when mentioning this somewhat obvious fact, which many shunned scientists were reporting would be enough to get you hated by the masses and labeled a conspiracy theorist. Here it is in black and white from the guy, those same people we're listening to. You've been lied to and you're still being lied to. This liar Fauci is someone many of you are still listening to. Stop doing that and stop doing that now. Let the anger come that should be coming out of you. Let it wake you up. Let it save your life and the lives of your children and your children's children. Fauci should go to prison, not just be fired. I'd bet that is where this is going.

So that's probably what got you noticed by the LA Times. Man, I don't remember being that bold. I'm kind of proud of my former self. You know, there was an amazing media person who did an incredible takedown of Fauci recently, and everyone was talking about it. Who was it? Oh, yeah, Megyn Kelly. Your takedown of Fauci a couple of weeks back, or was it a week or so ago?

Who knows? Time's weird. But that was excellent. That was really incredible. Yeah, I wonder if you got pushback on that or what the fallout from that was. Well, you know, a friend of mine actually recently observed to me, and I think she's right. She said, you know, MK, people are starting to cover you by just repeating your remarks.

And she said, I see this as a sign that even the left-wing press is starting to agree with some of what you're saying oh yeah definitely so usually they you know they did whatever i say they have to disagree with it because they're envious or they hate me because i went to fox or whatever whatever their issues are they can take it up with their therapist um okay so then then some other posts that are equally bold and smart. There was the one in May 2021 on Facebook. This is where you talked about the unfollow threat. And you did what Gina Carano did, which is where you basically said, how do they get people to go along with all this?

Well, it's kind of what the Nazis did with the Jews, comparing them to vermin before rounding them up and taking them into camps and this is this is how she got canceled and of course she rebounded too but you but you were getting bolder in sort of saying this bullshit what's happening to us and these are controlling masters and we've got to push back so then the la times meanders into your life and what made you decide to sit with the LA times instead of like, I don't know, the daily wire or the wall street journal or somebody who might be a little bit more fair. Okay. That's a really good question. And, um, yeah, it's okay. So at that point in my life, I, I started losing a lot, you know, um, management booking booking agent a band i had going on a record deal

i had a record mastered and ready to go uh incredible record um with an incredible band all that went away and on in the same like period of time maybe like a week later, the LA times came and said they wanted to do something. And the publicist I was working with was excited about it. Um, and we were doing freedom stuff. Um, my good friend, Trevor Fitzgibbons, actually, he's, he's a, he's a great guy. Um, used to be used to work with WikiLeaks. I think he's working with them again. And so I think in my head, I thought it could maybe help restore. This is ridiculous. This is like where my mental faculties apparently broke all the way down. But I think it was a reaction to fear. Honestly, if I had been listening to my earlier posts a little bit more about not following fear, I probably wouldn't have done it, but it was me following fear to try to restore, um, the career I saw just kind of get ripped out

from beneath my feet. Honestly, that's, that's the reason. And, and, um, I trusted the writer. I talked to him. He seems like a good guy. Um, and honestly, I don't, you know, who knows who, you know, a lot of this stuff gets put down in editing with what they do. So, um, the way they frame it, you know, um, yeah, that's, you learn over time, you live and you learn, but that's a, that's the million dollar question. And, uh, that. And that's what happened. I get it. Let me tell you, I get it. I've had enough profiles done on me and so on over the media. I mean, I'm in media. I do a radio show for TNT radio, which is an excellent alternative station. Um, that's, uh, you know, just sort of evolving and growing its wings. Um, um, amazing, uh, colleagues there, Patrick Henningson and, uh, Brian Hesher, McLean, Adam Ruckus, Clark, amongst others, Misty Winston, people who really speak truth to power.

So I'm honored to be a member of that. So I'm used to being in the media, but where I can kind of control where it goes. But so when you called and you weren't alone, there was a lot of people reached out to me once this case went through. But this is the only media I've done for it so far. And it's just because I trusted that you wouldn't it wouldn't be a hatchet piece but yeah it's hard to trust after something like that happens for sure very much well thank you for trusting us with it and I'm I'm sure we'll live up to it it's wrong what they did to you and not just the LA Times you know the the smearing of you as some sort of weird conspiracy theorist or dark you know

in the times piece there's some quote friend talking about you like as a dark addict i mean they really tried to get you and instead of being you know your path back it was supposed to be i think the last nail in the coffin but as you know you can only be canceled if you let them cancel you and you've refused. So wait, stand by. That's a good point to squeeze in a quick break. And then we'll pick it up with what happened when you sat with The LA Times and how Joseph Arthur is fighting back. What a delightful man. I love the show today. I hope you're feeling the same. Stand by for more with Joseph. And all I need Oh, maybe you're not even sure What it's for

Any more than me May God's love be with you Always May God's love be with you. Always, may God's love be with you. So beautiful. So beautiful. Thank you so much.

That's the song In the Sun by our guest, Joseph Arthur. You're listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. And what a radical you were even back then with lyrics like, May God's love be with you. I mean, that may be the most radical thing you've done. Absolutely. Yeah, I used to. I mean, I've gone into, I identify as a Christian now.

At that point, I didn't. But I used to like saying, bringing God into songs because of it being sort of a radical thing that could I was aware of that with sad but true. That's the song also that Coldplay covered after Hurricane Katrina. You've had amazing successes. So all of that winds up in the place we are now, which is you sit down with the LA Times and they write this article about you. And the headline is as follows, Joseph Arthur, colon, the path from acclaimed artist to anti-vaxxer. As if those two things are even mutually exclusive, as if anti-vaxxer is a dirty word in and of itself necessarily, but they clearly are using it to disparage. Um, and the problem that you say with this is it's actually untrue. Anti-vaxxer

is not true. And in fact, you had had discussions with the reporter about that very thing. So tell us what happened. Well, yeah, he asked me specifically if I was an anti-vaxxer and at that point it was already the worst thing you could be called in the world. You know, it meant the most insane human being of all time that, you know, is beneath human consideration. So, of course, I answered, no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, which I'm not, you know. I mean, anyone who's done a little bit of research on the COVID injections, and I try not to call them vaccines because they're really not. I mean, again, it goes to language and redefining words. It's not a vaccine in the traditional sense. It's not like taking a

little dead piece of the virus, a piece that can barely affect you, injecting it into you to, you know, excite your innate immune system to fight against it. That makes total sense. That's vaccines. I understand. I believe in that tech. But this is something totally different. This is a medical technology. It's experimental. So I answered truthfully. I said, no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I am very concerned with this untested new technology that has no long-term safety testing behind it and seems to be a part of some kind of strange agenda where they're demonizing things that make no sense to demonize um where they've taken away people's rights in ways we've never seen before where they've infantilized us to points that are absurd and where they've shut down the conversation you know it's alarming when when you can't talk about something, that's when it becomes alarming. So yeah, I just answered, no, I'm not anti-vaxxer. Um, you know, and I texted the journalist right after the article

came out and I said, dude, I, you asked me that directly. I answered directly that I'm not. And yet it's the headline that I am what's up. And he, and he just responded, Hey, they do that in editing. I didn't do that. So, I mean, I even have that text response from him, which is kind of interesting. That won't save them. That won't save them. Exactly. It's like he admits it, that it's like not true, you know.

So, yeah. And by the way, the editors didn't talk to you. So, how do they know? Their source of the reporting is him. So they made it up. That's basically what he's saying. Oh, they made it up. Yeah, of course. Yeah, absolutely.

A hundred percent. They made that up. So just to give the audience the flavor, they clearly, and the thing is dripping with disdain. The Brooklyn-based Arthur, 49, as you were living in Brooklyn at the time, believes that a coordinated effort is afoot end times type of stuff he calls it by pharmaceutical companies yeah well and i'm waiting for this to end with like what what did he say that the pharmaceutical companies the medical industrial complex and the government i'm waiting for you to end it with got together and created the covid virus and unleashed it on us all to control us that uh yeah that's conspiratorial

that's not what you said you said that they a coordinated effort by those folks to silence those like him who are questioning the science yes behind the vaccines that's exactly what we know they actually have done we've seen proof of that but they spin it in a way that makes you sound like a loon and they go on to say ar Arthur's gone so far as to use the term segregation, which we touched on a minute ago, while discussing the blowback that he's received. Again, go look up a, you know, what's it called? Go look up a simile for segregation.

Is it simile or no? What's the word I used before? Synonym. A synonym, sorry. Yeah, a synonym. Go look up one. There's not really an adequate one. There's separatists.

I've looked it up because I got a lot of pushback over the time. It's like, we have to be able to use words to describe things. You can't just take language. I'm not saying it was worse than the segregation that happened amongst the races. Of course not. That's not, it's not a value judgment like that. It's just describing something. If you segregate people, you're segregating them. It sometimes happens because of what's worse race, obviously. But it also happened recently amongst the vaxxers and the anti-vaxxers or the supposed, you know, using their wording. But, but like, you know, like my last six months in New York, we relocated to Arizona,

but my last six months in New York, I couldn't go to a coffee shop. I couldn't go to yoga studios. I couldn't go to restaurants. I couldn't go to anywhere. I had like art shows, which I couldn't even go into. I had paintings hanging in places I could not go. Because you didn't have the facts. Right. So, I mean, what does, what, what's the word that describes that when you do that to a wide range of the population? There's, there's only one word that really that when you do that to a wide range of the population there's there's only one word that really does it anyway not to belabor that point but it's just no i get it so then they go and they find somebody who chooses to remain unidentified i i anonymous for this

piece anonymous sourcing like this is very controversial so people know in modern day journalism it's becoming more and more ubiquitous and it didn't used to be done like this used to maybe you give somebody anonymity and a piece. If they're leaking the Pentagon Papers to you, if they're leaking something that's very obviously going to endanger them, or get them fired if they release, not just because they want to smear somebody and don't want their name attached. That's what this person did to you. That's what the LA Times allowed this person to do to you in the following arthur's always been an extremist and his actions notes one former member of arthur's music team who declined to be identified to protect their friendship

okay uh he's an addict right so he was either a full-on addict or full-on clean and very preachy this is part of the extremes that he struggles with. What did you make of that? Well, listen, it's, you know, there's truth to some of that stuff. Like I do have, I'm a sober person. I have dealt with addiction. When I do get into exercise and fitness, I do get extreme about it. You know, like when I get into research about COVID and wild stuff, I get kind of way deep into that. That's how I became so educated on it.

So, I mean, in a way, yeah, the way they're framing that is a big smear, but also, you know, that kind of quality in a person isn't always so bad when they guide it in the right way. Now, they would say me talking about physical fitness and what I'm doing online is preachy. You could look at it that way and maybe that's true. Or you could look at it like I'm trying to inspire other people to have a better life. That's the way I frame it in myself. It's all kind of a projection as to the person, from the person perceiving it. That's what we've learned in social media as well.

If you think about it, this whole thing has been propagated by the fact that people, A, don't really have, a lot of people don't have purpose in their life or they're struggling for purpose. We all are. You know, that's nothing horrible to say. And so in lieu of purpose, you can throw in all these divisive propaganda campaigns and people will jump into them. It's like if you have a God sized hole, the darkness will flood in, you know. But social media made people addicted to likes and addicted to, um, approval and, and me too. I mean, like there's no, uh, I'm, I'm no different. So what that's done though, is locked people into silence because they're so afraid of

social shame. If you think about it, the root of all this is social shame. The fear of social shame is so extreme that people, you know, that meme, the best meme of the year is I support the current thing, you know, and that's really kind of what social shame has done to people. It's neutered them. But the thing is, if you speak your mind, if you raise your voice, your soul expands that way. You evolve into a different being. Your soul's evolution is dependent on you speaking your mind. If you don't speak your mind, you annihilate yourself. So you're doing

the job of the people that want you silenced for them. So to that smear, I would just say, guilty as charged, that's your perception of it. I'm, you know, I'm proud to be sober. The only addictions I have now are caffeine and nicotine. You know, these, these darn nicotine things. I don't smoke, but apparently nicotine helps with COVID anyway, but that's it. So, you know, and I, and I do work out a lot. I went on a run today, right before the Megan Kelly show, barefoot in the park, go get, go ground yourself, go on a run today right before the megan kelly show barefoot in the park go get go ground yourself go on a run does that make me preachy to some it would to others they'd be doing a lot that's a good that's a good idea let's go on a run you know so there you go well

no i just wanted to follow up and say to your point about like the the void you know that people are trying to fill by affiliating with these extreme views i mean i think their views are extreme right that you're you're some sort of terrorist if you have questions about the Vax. If you're a Vax questioner, you're a VQ. You know how it's like LGBTQ now? I used to think Q was queer, but then somebody high up in one of these GLAAD, I can't remember who it was, but was telling me it stands for questioning. I'm like, questioning? Questioning doesn't get a letter. Anyway, if you're a VQer, they think you're extreme. I think they're extreme. We had a guest on the show last week named Nicholas Carderas who was saying we have a crisis of emptiness right now.

That's what we have. Well, there you go. That's it. That's how they've ushered this whole thing in. And that's why more and more people are turning to God and stuff like that, because that's a direct reaction to the fact that evil is revealing itself, you know? And that's the other thing that you did a show the other day. Maybe it was a couple of days ago I tuned in and they were framing this whole thing as a spiritual war. And that kind of rhetoric is making its rounds on big media formats now, too. And that's unusual and that's true though we're seeing i think it was roland martin we were talking about roland martin who went on msnbc and was saying and we're so we're seeing evil the other side's evil then what's the other side the other side is true too the other thing is everything i said a year or so ago or more, it's kind of the mainstream narrative on all this now. That's

the funny thing. Nothing I said. But let me jump in with this because we have a short time left and I have to get to what you did. So unlike most people, including yours truly, when I see terrible shit written about me, but I'm a public figure who can never be defamed. You actually said, I'm going to do something about this. I've been defamed. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I understand that is used as a slur, a smear. And you hired a good lawyer and you're suing them. So what do you hope to get out of your defamation case against the LA Times? Honestly, I hope to do what my original intention was, was to help motivate other people to speak

their mind. That's really what's important. I think if everyone spoke their mind and really said what was on their mind and hearts, that all this sort of agenda to control us and on and on it goes would disappear in a heartbeat. We're already seeing that. We're already seeing it kind of fall away in the sort of nefarious implementations of control fall by the wayside. But more and more people just need to speak up. You know, there shouldn't be all this censorship. And so hopefully I'm,

it'll be a symbol of fighting back and ultimately how you will prevail if you raise your voice. This is the theme of the show today. I'm going to speak your mind. He's shown us his t-shirt. This is what Nigel Farage was saying to, you know, fight. I agree. You have to. And if you really want to be inspired on what not fighting looks like and what keeping your head down and your mouth shut looks like and feels like you got to listen to Douglas Murray. The first time he ever came on the show, we got into it. It was the interview kept going and going. He's one of my very favorite commentators on earth. And with the British accent, there's something extra to it, you know, like dying in your bed. Now I'm doing Braveheart, but this day, would you give all the days from this day to that? Okay. That's

Braveheart, but it's sort of like that. And that's his point. Like, great. You you'll have made it through life without anybody smacking you without anybody criticizing you or saying the mean things, how's that going to feel? Like your soul is dead. Enjoy. Well, can you imagine living through this whole thing and just keeping to yourself and keeping quiet while all this is going down, while everything that's going down in our world is happening? I mean, I feel free and liberated to really keep speaking my mind, and I do. So that to me is the gift of doing it, even if you take the lumps, you know. But what we have is an opportunity to reveal courage, you know, and these kind of opportunities don't happen but once in a lifetime. And there will be another side to this. We will get to the other side of this and this war will be over and you'll be living with what you did or did not do. And so you have to think about those things.

So what was it bad? I mean, quickly, when the LA Times piece hit, did you lose even more of your fan base? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like I had gigs booked, which, you know, and I had already, you know, like I said, lost a band and this other thing that was about to be kind of a big deal. But I still have my solo gigs, a couple of those booked in some clubs where normally they would roll out the sort of proverbial red carpet for me to a degree, canceled straight away, everything. And then even when I got like a little independent record deal in Europe, I had people calling them and hassling them. I mean, they want to gut you and make sure you don't get back up on your feet.

You stay gutted. So now here we are more than a year later, are people starting to come back to you or people starting to find Joseph Arthur? And by the way, how can my people do that? If they want to listen to more of your music and support you? Well, I appreciate it. Go to josepharthur.com. We have, we're releasing a song, um, a week on band camp. We've just started that campaign. So we're like four songs in. You can get Speak Your Mind merch at shopjosepharthur.com,

which is our Shopify store. That's also linked at josepharthur.com. Sign up for our mailing list. Follow me on Twitter at josepharthur, Instagram at joseph underscore Arthur, and TNT Radio led by Mike Ryan, who's amazing broadcaster and just that whole team there. They've given me a format and I'm really grateful for them for, yeah, giving me a place to speak my mind. And that's a great station that

people should be checking out as well. So you're going to find a whole, you're going to find a whole new constituency that has your back that doesn't give an F about staying within the proper coloring lines. In fact, they enjoy people who press the limits and stand for free speech. You're going to see bit by bit and you're going to wind up so much better off. All the best to you. So happy to be supporting you and we'll continue to follow the case as well. And keep doing your great work, Megan. It's amazing.

I really appreciate the chat with you today. Likewise, Joseph. All the best to you. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.