The Megyn Kelly Show - Horrifying Case of Left-Wing Terrorism, and Prince Harry's FAILED UK Trip, with Alex Phillips and Rob Shuter | Ep. 1359

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Alex Phillips, political consultant and commentator, to discuss the murder of former UK politician Ann Widdecombe, why British authorities now believe it was an act of terrorism, the left-wing violence against those on the right, how some of those in power on the left are actually encouraging violence against the right, the rise of "assassination culture" in the UK and the US, and more. Then Rob Shuter, author of “It Started With a Whisper,” join to discuss Prince Harry's massive legal loss against the media, why the judge's ruling could force him to pay millions in legal fees, why he always tries to blame others instead of himself, the truth about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's meeting with King Charles, why it wasn't a major royal reconciliation, why they don't want to do the work to fix the relationship, how Prince William and Princess Catherine quietly upstaged Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's UK trip, the inside story of their rare public kiss last week, why Taylor Swift's celebrity-filled wedding felt more like a publicity event than an intimate celebration, how many of the celebs in attendance didn't even know the couple, Justin Baldoni breaking his silence on Blake Lively after the latest ruling in their legal battle, Lively's continued pursuit of millions in legal fees, and more.   Phillips- https://www.thatalexwoman.com/ Shuter- https://robshuter.substack.com/   Supersure Insurance: Upgrade your business insurance to a year-round SuperAgency at https://Supersure.com/Megyn Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on gold Herald Group: Learn more at https://GuardYourCard.com American Financing: Call American Financing today to find out how customers are saving an average of $800/mo. NMLS #182334 https://nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-852-2010 for details about credit, costs and terms. Visit https://AmericanFinancing.net/MegynKelly . Average savings based on borrowers who save over $199.99      Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKelly Twitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShow Instagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShow Facebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to The Megan Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show on this Tuesday morning. Gosh, it's a Tuesday already. We have a lot to get to today, and we are going to kick it off with the horrific murder of Anne Whitacom. Anne Whitacom was a former member of parliament in Great Britain and had become someone. of an elder stateswoman for the Reform UK Party. She was 78 years old. And last week on Thursday, she was murdered. Originally, the police had said that this had nothing to do with politics whatsoever.

And then they did a dramatic 180, completely reversing themselves and saying that new evidence had prompted Britain's national counterterrorism unit to take a lead, their counterterrorism unit. The BBC just aired a press conference by the head of counterterrorism in the UK saying that this investigation is now on two tracks. One, a murder investigation and two, a counterterrorism investigation. What exactly that means, whether that's just limited to Anne's politics or something beyond that in the way we understand the word counterterrorism? I don't know. It's one of the questions we'll ask our guest in a moment. But the UK son is reporting at this hour that while officers initially believed this woman

had died in a fall and did not realize that she'd been murdered until a day later, there was a dramatic twist after counterterrorism took over following the examination of the electronic devices of the suspect. What happened was they checked Anne's ring camera. It showed them a man, approaching. her home and his car, along with his license plate reportedly, and they used that information to track this suspect back to the Kimberworth area of Rotherham, and this was about four hours away from Anne's home. He left his house reportedly around 8 a.m. He got to Ann's, we believe,

sometime afternoon. She is believed to have been killed at 1230. And the reason we have interest in this, not only because it's a horrific story and it's very much dominating the news in the UK, is that this feels very much like just the latest chapter in our assassination culture, which is now predominant not only in the United States, but in one of our closest allies, Great Britain, where again, a 78-year-old woman is believed to have been bludgeoned to death because of her right-wing politics. I mean, this is shocking. It's hard to understand.

It's hard to believe. I mean, maybe it's not hard to believe. But when you hear some of Anne Whitcomb's politics, it may become more clear to you, if you are a right-leaning independent like I am or officially right-wing here in America, how she came across the radar of some madman with terror in his heart.

Here's just a bit of Anne Whittickham over the years on things like immigration, gender, and Brexit, a movement of which she was a leader, Sop 4A. We've made it very clear that if you arrive in this country illegally,

from a perfectly safe from, which when I last look France was, then you have no claim to a state, asylum and you will be refused and we will turn the boats round and send them back. How can a nation be sovereign if it cannot immediately and at its own expense and at its own wish replenish the control of its borders as and when necessary? but in short, it can be done.

Just as the control of illegal immigration can be done. Just as policing, knife and gun crime can be done. And now school kids are being taught, they can identify as a cat. Now, if I had a child who came home and said, I'm a cat, I would give it a bowl of cat food and a bowl of milk and say, then this is what cats get. And I've no respect for somebody who says, oh, I think I'm a woman.

You know, I'll go into the women's changing rooms. Rubbish. Rubbish. Britain is leaving. And it doesn't matter which language you use. We are going and we are glad to be going. That's why we're going. Thanks.

Thank you. We're off. Wow. Here to do. discuss all of that and more is Alex Phillips. She's a talk TV presenter, former member of European Parliament and a former aide to Nigel Farage. She knew and very well, and this is personal for Alex. When you sign your insurance policy for some brokers, that's the finish line, handshake, they get their commission, and then they're kind of done with you. You may not hear

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She would pop up on bits of reality TV, the Big Brother House, she'd go on antique shows. But she was always a firebrand. She was always a leader in politics. And she was extremely well respected. And she took the brave decision to leave the Conservative Party and joined the Brexit Party after the 2016 referendum, came out of retirement and was elected to the European Parliament alongside me. and 29 of us altogether. And her presence was just undeniable.

I mean, you can see from those speeches. She was tiny, diminutive little character. But everyone was a little bit afraid of her because she was like the strictest teacher at your school. She would tell you directly what she thought. She did things for principal, never for popularity. And she was a very, very dedicated Christian, a dedicated social conservative.

and she was kind. She was kind. She may have had views that she didn't agree with gay marriage. Well, you know, a lot of true conservative Christians feel that way. That is what the book tells us that marriage is for a man and a woman. Didn't mean she had any phobia or resentment or hatred of gay people. In fact, some of her closest friends were gay men. And she just, she had her principles, she had her positions and she wanted to see good,

done in this world. And then things changed, things have changed, especially since we've had a left-wing government, who have done all they can to demonise the right wing of politics, to call us extreme, far right, to say that we are the politics of hate, that we're divisive, that we're extremists, that we must be stopped. And this language has been coming out of the prime minister's mouth for two years now of almost every sitting cabinet minister of their friends in the legacy media. And you've had your own experience in America of young men, disturbed young men who live their lives online, might be taking artificial hormones for trans reasons or SRIs for depression, who essentially being radicalised by the extreme left. Well, when you actually have a government

call a political rival, leading in the polls in this country for two years now, calling them extreme, divisive, hateful, fascist, Nazi, and saying they must be stopped. That, to me, is sanctioning action at a state level. It is reckless and it is irresponsible. And a 78-year-old woman in her cottage, in rural England, her sanctuary, where she should have felt safe. She's no longer in frontline politics.

She was bludgeoned to death. And the police lied. They tried to tell us, oh, this is probably a burglary gone wrong. Oh, she must have slipped and hit her head. It's taken days for the verdict that actually this is a terror attack to come out. They don't like using the language.

Now they're saying, well, we don't know what the motive is. Oh, well, maybe it's an unpaid vets bill. Maybe she was, I don't know, in league with the drugs kingpin she owned money to. We know what is going on and they still won't speak its name. And if they want to call it terrorism, I will call it what it is. It is left-wing terrorism. And at this point, in the UK, it is state-sanctioned terrorism.

None of us are safe anymore. Nigel Farage is having to commit to round-the-clock security for anybody representing his party, elected or otherwise. presenters like me are having to put in security measures because you look at what's happened to Anne, she just made the mistake of opening her front door. That's it. That is all she did. And all of us now live in fear. And it's made me realize that they've wanted us to live in fear for years, whether it's debanking, whether it's canceling us, whether it's the risk of losing our job, social stigma, ostracization, public shaming. They've now reached the level because they have to

up the anti because we won't stop fighting of using language that essentially creates something that is called stochastic terrorism. It creates the environment in which an individual or an organization is portrayed as being an existential threat in which people who are significantly motivated and radicalized will go and act on that belief. And that has come all the way from the top of government. You know about people being imprisoned for things they put on social on social media. You know about the tyranny of the left wing government in the United Kingdom. It's reached a new level. And this should be a wake-up call. And yet what the state are doing is trying to cover up, trying to deflect, trying to say that Narja Frage is

somehow politically profiting from this. He was appointed the person to disseminate the information about her death. He went to a memorial service with one of her closest surviving relatives, her nephew. And they're trying to say, oh, look at him, trying to do this to score points. Isn't he sick? Oh, look, he's got five million pounds given to him that he didn't declare. He broke the rules. He's a crook. The five million he was given was before he became a politician and it was for personal security and for good reason. And we've now got in newspaper headlines one of the sickest, most harrowing, disturbing stories that I've read in this country. And they're relentless. They won't stop the attacks. They won't stop.

the demonization. Part of me thinks they want more. Yeah. Oh, so well said and very powerful. And I think a lot of us over here can relate to this on a number of levels. The government demonizing an entire group of people, it being somewhat okay. It seems to assassinate somebody who's a leader in a political party. And I'm thinking, of course, of Charlie, Charlie Kirk, as we watched schoolteacher, after nurse, after what, you know, union member and so on, come out and gleefully celebrate his assassination, this young man, father of two husband, as if it was, you know, he had it coming. Like, it's sad when anybody dies, but let's be honest, he had it coming. He was a hateful man.

And they go right to his politics. Yesterday was the two-year mark since Butler, Pennsylvania, when they tried to assassinate President Trump, who'd been called a fascist at every turn. the bullet, one of the bullets that was loaded for Charlie had hey fascist written on it, had fascist written on it. I mean, the messaging, it's literally gone across the pond now. And now we have, I mean, President Trump was about 78 when they took the shot at him. And here's Anne, 78. And I'm interested in what you just said about you think the police are actually lying about it because they paint it as, oh, we were mistaken.

We thought she fell down the stairs, which does seem a little odd, Alex. because it appears she was bludgeoned with some sort of a wood club, just to show the audience, there's ring camera obtained by the UK Sun. I'm going to show it here, showing the suspect being arrested. And then there is also this UK Sun report showing footage of the suspect getting into his car with some kind of wooden stick. So it appears he bludgeoned her over the head with a wooden stick. Seems like it'd be tough to mistake that for a tumbled down the stairs. Hold on. Let me just show Sat 1, which is part of that UK Sun report.

Neighbours later reports seeing a man putting some kind of wooden stick into the car on the day of the murder. Our exclusive CCTV footage shows him with an object described as a wooden baton in his shorts pocket. The man left the Rotherham Council House just before 8am last Wednesday and is suspected to have driven 267 miles to the MP and Strictly Starr's bungalow in Devon. I mean, for the listening audience, it's incredibly stunningly clear that CCTV video, which clearly UK son got from, it looks like maybe his neighbor. He's, he's there. You can see the baton sticking far out of his pocket and it appears this large man took out a nearly 80-year-old lady with that baton and his heft. Go ahead, Alex. Yeah, I mean, gosh, it's really hard for me to think about that.

You know, I knew Anne personally. and it's harrowing to think of her being bludging to death with a baseball bat in her own kitchen and if he'd come to her front door and said, you're a fascist, she had a point said, oh, do come in, have a cup of tea, don't be so silly. And a little old woman killed with a baseball bat in her kitchen. He drove 300 miles with that thing.

It was premeditated. You know, they're going to paint the picture, aren't they? Oh, well, he's got mental health issues. Well, you have to have mental health issues to drive 300 miles. or to club someone to death, it doesn't make it any less a terrorist incident or a political assassination. It doesn't. We've got to move past this excuse of mental health and actually point the finger of blame at why people have terrible mental health. The pictures they're being painted by the state, by the left wing, by this so-called D-I and critical race theory training

and all the rest of it, which psychological reports have like it. to brainwashing for authoritarianism. That is what it's doing. And it's not that different from Islamist terrorists, where you've got radical preachers and radical clerics telling everybody that infidels are the problem in this world and they need to be gotten rid of at any cost and someone hearing that material online

and believing that it means that they have to go out and attack somebody. The parallels are undeniable. And yet the messaging of reform UK is dangerous. The right wing is radical, that they were killing babies in Gaza or whatever it may be, whatever the hyperbole they use. What is so alarming is that language is coming from the state, from the very centre of government and being used as a political strategy. Now, something your audience might not know is in the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the state decided they, had to review the security of Nigel Farage, our most prominent, most controversial political leader. They decided that he needed his security reduced by 70%.

What followed on from that was the Labour Party conference, the party of our own Prime Minister. And what we witnessed at that event was every single speaker who stood up to the dace, who got behind a lectern, who did a TV interview, repeated the same form of words that reform was the politics of hate, reform must be stopped, that they're far right, that they're extremist, that they're erasive, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, all of it, all the isms, all the phobics. It was coming speaker after speaker, politician after politician, representative after representative from that Labour Party conference, like an automatic round. And straight in the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and stripping Nigel, of his security. I'm sorry, maybe this is all circumstantial. Maybe it's all coincidence. But if you wanted to create the circumstances for something like the brutal,

bludgeoning to death of a 78-year-old retired politician in her kitchen, who was once regarded as a national treasure, that's how you go about it. And this is what's been going on for too long in America. And it's now picking up in the United Kingdom. And we are afraid. And when you're afraid, when you live in fear that you are being either socially shamed, ostracized, might lose your livelihood, might be disinvited from dinner parties, might be cancelled, might be punished, won't get that promotion at work and, you know, might even fear for your life. You fear for saying things that you believe. That's living in terror. And I call that terrorism and it's about time we on the right started using precise vocabulary and stopped allowing

them to tell us that we're the problem that we're the dangerous ones and we're the divisive ones they don't even let us gracefully and respectfully mourn our dead these people are monstrous absolutely right now i'm not going to call them i got dangerous and devices and they have to be stopped at any cost, although if I were to use such rhetoric about anybody, I think the shoe fits. But I try and respect my political opponents, appreciate that they have different views. Sometimes I might learn from them or change my mind. Sometimes they say things I agree with and I give them praise for that. I give them credit. But on the right wing, we think left wingers are just a bit mistaken and confused. Today, on the left wing of politics, they think we're evil.

Mm-hmm. It's been thus for a long time. You know, I can't help but think in a little bit we're going to have a journalist named Rob Schuter come on, and he's going to talk about, among other things, this massive loss that Prince Harry had in suing the media and blaming all sorts of details of his life that hit the pages of the papers on evil journalists who are out there trying to destroy him. He lost. He lost heartily in an embarrassing way. And it does occur to me, Prince Harry, who's got you know, millions and he's got over $100 million, thanks to Spotify and Netflix over here and so on, not to mention what he got from his dad. There's nobody's trying to kill Prince Harry. He's fine. He's living his glorious life out in Montecito, but he wanted the British government to cover his security. Meanwhile, these journalists whom he's harassing in court now for years trying to convince a court that they're criminals who unnecessarily harassed him and broke laws to get details about him, all of which was untrue, they actually are under threat.

People like you, you weren't involved in that lawsuit, but I'm saying journalists who have a political take or a political history, or like yours, truly, I can relate to this, who now have to live behind bulletproof glass with security teams. And most journalists don't make a lot of money. Most journalists cannot afford that. And everything's been turned on its head

because of this left-wing messaging, which is cloaked under the guise of, we're the good guys. We're trying to stop these evildoers on the right wing from spreading hate. Meanwhile, they're the ones spreading hate and literally saying things that can be directly tied to these assassination attempts

and in too many circumstances, successful ones. I think it's worth pointing out as well. Certainly, if you're in the public eye, you stuck your head above the parapet and you're banging the drum for change, you are very exposed. But I think it's so worth pointing out that this goes all the way

down to the everyday citizen. This goes down to Lucy Connolly, who put online a post saying, okay, burn the migrant hotels down for all that I care, right? And deleted it two hours later. She had lost a child when she found out about the horrific stabbings of those children in Southport. She was an ordinary citizen. She was given 31 months in prison. And then we have a prime minister who's basically calling his political opponents

dangerous fascists. and there are consequences to those words. And he has freedom. But this goes all the way down to the school teacher that voted for Brexit, being afraid to confess that in the staff room. The doctor practicing in a hospital who might have right-wing views but could never confess to his colleagues because they've all had their DEI training. They might report him for making them feel unsafe.

It goes down to the local business, who suddenly gets doxed for, I don't know, having an Israeli flag who will all of them. a sudden there's an effort to pile on and prevent them from being able to conduct their livelihood. This affects everybody on the right wing. Yes, some people are more exposed than others because we have public profiles, but it doesn't stop. You know, it started off at the political leaders. Then it came down to the big influencers, now everyday journalists, but it goes all the way to the last person, which is why I call it tyranny and terrorism, because it affects everybody. And it's horrific. I would never have thought that the mother of parliamentary democracy, this little island which stormed into the First World War, the Second World War, to save our continental neighbours from authoritarianism, this country which has never voted for fascism or communism, ever, ever. I would never have thought that the United Kingdom could become what it is today, under this government especially. Oh, the rot had set in a long time before that.

the pernicious, invasive, cancerous spread of this sort of radical left-wing Marxist culture in public life, in private life, on legacy media, shove down your throats when it comes to the documentaries you watch, Hollywood films, you name it. I mean, how many Hollywood stars are there that would turn around and say, I'm Maga? They would lose their massive advertising contracts.

Oh, no. You make a lot of money. The farthest they'll go is, I'm an independent. Right. You make a lot of money. sucking off the left wing teeth my life would be so much easier you know if I turn around Megan and did a mayor culper right if I recanted my political views like it was an era of Catholicism medieval Catholicism said I've been wrong to

support Nigel Farage and work for him the scales have fallen from my eyes I'm a recovered fascist I would be given book contracts I'd be given a cookery show you name it I would become the darling I'd be held up as an example I could have the best most cozy life to my with money in my bank or the security I need, but I wouldn't need it anymore, would I? But we don't do that. We don't sell out. And it drives them mad because they can't understand why we persevere because they don't have

compassion. They don't have belief. All they have is hatred. And we actually have love for our country. I was just thinking about this, Alex, because this is just one example. But over here in America, there's this journalist by the name of Kara Swisher. She's a far left winger. And she traffics in hate directed at the right wing.

Every name in the book she's used against President Trump, against anybody in the right wing. She's demonized, dehumanized, and so on. And I noticed that CNN, where she has some sort of contributorship deal, has launched a show with her about travel, you know, or she wants to live forever. I don't know what she's doing, but she's either going to be doing health stuff or travel stuff, but some sort of amorphous. you know, lifestyle type offering. Now, you tell me, I don't know how it is in the UK, here in America, they would never, never allow an open right winger to host a non-political show like that. If you are openly right-wing or conservative, you're otherwise, you're demonized, you are acceptable only to that wing. You would never be chosen for an advertisement campaign of any kind of all

these celebrities over here who openly endorsed Kamala Harris in the last election and came out and, like, said very controversial things about the right wing and why you shouldn't vote for Donald Trump, they get huge multi-million dollar ad campaign deals. It's not even a thought to cast them in roles where they're supposed to be accepted by both sides or give them millions to advertise watches that are supposed to be bought by both sides. But left winger, you know, the fine, right winger, never. The double standard is as plain as the nose on your face. Right. I mean, the trappings of being a foot soldier for authoritarianism is brilliant, isn't it? I mean, you can make a lot of money by, you know, being in line and saying all the right things. You know,

God help you if you decide to, you know, leave the cult or ever want to speak up against it. But this is what I'm saying. It goes down to the lowest strata in society. You won't become a headmaster of a state school if you happen to say that you, you know, supported Nigel Farage. You would be blocked. So they want you to feel that you can't get a job. that you're excommunicated from society, that you will lose things if you don't back their worldview. They want you to know that everything that you own, that you hope for is on the table when it comes to sacrificing what you've got for what you believe in. Including now your life.

I just, I don't know where we stop now because, you know, the more we stand up, the dirtier their tactics are going to have to become. going to let let go they're holding on tightly to the levers of power and the more that the mask slips the more that we peek behind the curtain and begin to understand what's going on what are they going to do they're not going to throw the towel in they're going to become more and more extreme and what i'm seeing in the aftermath of anne's murder is this doubling down this you know this exacerbation of situations and circumstances with their ever cruel critical cynical confected rhetoric. You know, truth doesn't mean anything to them. They've inverted all of it.

Inverted morality. Inverted the truth. The good guys are the bad guys. The bad guys are the good guys. And it's become so pervasive, so insidious. As you know in America, you've been through this. You know, I think you started going through this long before we did. We've imported it, hookline and sinker. We've elected it. It's in Number 10 Downing Street. That's what's so scary right now. And what we need is a democratic change that will stand up to this and reverse it all. But the fight for that is going to be, well, bloody, deadly. I don't know. What words am I supposed to use now? My colleagues have been. Yes, it's already underway. It's already underway. And Anne was a casualty of it. You, um, is, is this your blog to which you

posted? Why did they pretend left-wing terrorism doesn't exist? Right. That's on my substack. I think that's your blog. Yeah. Your substack. Okay. And it's so good. It's worth everybody's time to go click on it. Again, it reads, why do they pretend left-wing terrorism does not exist by Alex Phillips? And you write the following. Now I face a choice. Try to fight. Get 24-hour surveillance. Secure my home. Double down, despite the opposing might of the machine. The David and Goliath dimension of the battle. Lose more hair, more sleep, and more sanity. Lose my right to live normally, privately and peacefully. Ignore the cruel words, vile slurs, spiteful memes, lies, attacks, and public admonishments from total strangers. Wake up every day to that now familiar physical pain of feeling garrotted.

Lay it all down for a battle that increasingly feels unwinnable. Or retreat. Delete my entire social media footprint. Stage of fake recanting. Denounce my politics publicly to feel the protection of the system I long to rid the nation of. Get more money. Better jobs. Public forgiveness. Drink from the cup of corrupt prosperity. The left wing money fountain of reward for saying the right things. A scalp like mine would be highly treasured. The ransom would be rich. If I gave up my ideals under the media spotlight, I'd fast become a darling of the legacy media. The trappings of conversion would indeed be many. I could sleep at night. Forge a proper relationship. Eat where I want. Lap up the mawkish adoration from lovies. Be transmogrified into a mainstream treasure.

Get a cooking show. Sell some books. Get the fairy tale ending. I think you know what I have chosen. Like Anne, I am a believer. That resonates with me so strongly, and I'm sure it resonates with a lot of the people watching this right now. And the stakes are incredibly high, and yet, that's exactly why we must fight. Yeah. I mean, if we don't fight what it's all been for, I mean, what do we leave to the children of this country? Do we have a country to leave in the end? You know, what's so crazy is, you know, the West spent half of the last. last century and trillions of dollars fighting communism. And somehow it's now taken over pretty much all of our public-facing institutions, the non-governmental organizations,

civic society. And it's more brutal. It's more punitive. It's more unforgiving. It's more tyrannical than even in communist countries, quite frankly. And we're being gaslit that it doesn't exist. We've been gaslit that we are fantasists. In fact, we're the dangerous. ones, that we are the fascistic ones, censoring people, making people feel scared and vulnerable, unsafe. It's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic abuser, and you start to doubt yourself. And you do think, wouldn't it be easier just to be supping? Wouldn't it be easier to be a supplicant and just allow them to steer me around and do what they say, because life would be easier? I'm not made of that soul, sadly. I'm going to fight. Yes, same.

as Anne did and hope and pray for a societal change that stops our own endings from looking anything like hers and that of anybody else who's in the political arena. Anne went on with Graham Norton, who's got his own TV show in 2010, and he asked her a question about legacy. Here's how she answered to Sot 4B. Do you feel a bit sad that whatever political legacy you might have had has now been totally wiped out by you flying around it to be a little tight. No, I'm not at all sadden by it. For this reason,

I mean, okay, none of us know how long we're going to live. I could die tomorrow, but I could if I followed my mother, for example, live another three decades. I do not know what's going to come up and what I'm going to do in that time. So I may be remembered neither for politics nor for strictly, but for something else that I can't even foresee at the moment. And, you know, we get one go this side of eternity. One go.

It's not addressed with us. It's one go and you make the most of it and you take opportunities that come along that you like and you go for it. And that's my philosophy. I didn't know her as you did, Alex, but it seems to me and would be looking at this conversation, looking at anybody having this struggle internally, even in the wake of her murder and would be sticking by exactly what she said. Oh, Megan, she'd be telling us off actually. If I'm honest with you, she'd be telling us to buck up, get on with it. Stop being so silly. Stop being so self-pitying.

That's what was phenomenal about her. Yeah. Gosh, I didn't even know her, but I feel like I've lost somebody too. And I'll miss her. And I trust, not in the British police system, but in people like you, to keep them honest as this goes forward about exactly what was behind this and how to stop more of it.

Alex, thank you. Alex Phillips, everybody. Thanks so much. We hope to see you again. Thank you. Okay, we're going to bring in Rob Shooter. He's here to talk about another story out of the UK involving Prince Harry and a lawsuit that he and other celebrities just lost. I made a reference to it.

We're going to talk about what this means. It was a devastating defeat for Prince Harry. And then wait until you find out where we believe the prince was staying after all his caterwauling about, I want to stay at Buckingham Palace, and they didn't accommodate me, and I didn't have the right security, and so on and so forth. Wait until you hear where we understand he landed. We wouldn't be celebrating America 250 if it wasn't for a strong foundation set by the framers. Hamilton built America's Financial Foundation on the principle of sound stable money, a principle later embodied by the gold standard. However, we abandoned that discipline in 1971 and have seen inflation,

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it started with a whisper which by the way is a great summer read if you're looking for something fun and also authors the naughty but nice substack. He's also a former royal reporter. So he knows a lot about the UK and those people who live in these palaces over there. Rob, great to see you again. Hey, good to see you, my friend. Good to be back. So this loss, I mentioned it in my segment with Alex Phillips.

This is a whopper. And Prince Harry may have to spend millions now, millions because loser typically pays when you lose a lawsuit. in the UK, and he, to put it frankly, got his ass handed to him by this judge. It was about reporting that it happened in the UK over the course of 18 years, Rob, 18 years from back when he was dating Chelsea Davy and all these other young sort of romances he had many moons ago. And he seems to have gone through every article ever written about his personal life and accuse the journalists involved, mostly the Daily Mail, owned by Associated Newspapers,

of using illegal means to get these scoops. And Associated put its reporters up, one after the other, to defend these claims saying, we did nothing illegal. This is not an illegal wiretap situation. We broke no laws. We actually just worked the story, like shoe leather reporters, got sort of. and managed to convince this judge that they had done absolutely nothing illegal. The whole thing was dismissed.

There were claims by other celebrities, including Elton John, dismissed, all dismissed, up and down. And now there's a real question about whether Harry risked too much, because if the legal bills were as substantial as they reportedly are claiming with maybe 50 million pounds having been spent to defend these lawsuits, I think we can safely say that he does not have that to spare. So Associated Newspapers is probably going to seek this from all the defendants, like across defendants. Elizabeth Hurley was another plaintiff, some others who I don't know as well. But you tell me what you make of this resounding beating he took. First of all, it was an absolute

resounding beating. It was thrown out, and the judge was almost annoyed that this had got as far as it had. People were perplexed. When Harry started to... when he went after the Daily Mail. This was for stories a long time ago. Talk about holding a grudge. Talk about not being able to move on. Him and Megan present themselves as happier than ever, living in Montecito, and he's Harry,

still fighting battles from decades ago. So nobody really understood why he was doing this. I know from my sources, he was advised not to do this. Any reputable lawyer that he spoke to in London would tell him, This is almost impossible to prove, and hence to win, and you've got to provide some proof. Harry ignored all that. I think he proved how arrogant he really is. He is still angry about a story in a newspaper from 20 years ago, and if you upset this prince, he's going to get you.

Doesn't matter how long it takes. He's going to come for you. He went for the newspaper, and then he went for the individual journalists. and really went after them in the most vicious way. And they all took the stand one after another. And some of them reasonably said, I don't exactly remember what happened 20 years ago. But what I do know is that if we were hacking his phone,

that I would remember. And there was absolutely no evidence, a waste of time. Britain is in a very tough position at the moment. You just talked about the tragic passing of Anne. police resources, the courts are backlogged. This was a total waste of time. And now it looks, thankfully, as if someone's going to have to pray a price and that person's going to be Harry. But it just goes to show you, does it not, Rob, how paranoid he is. He, all of his problems are someone else's fault. And the media is number one on his list, who he blames for Princess

Diana's death. He blames. for everything bad that's ever happened to him. Of course, he blames the royal family for half of this as well. And to the point where he's filed multiple lawsuits against journalists who have far less power than he does, because unlike virtually every other public figure, including Will's and Kate, he will never take it like a man and understand that the enormous privilege of having the palaces and the crown jewels and the name and the titles and all. all the access that gets you does have a downside, and it allows newspapers who are very interested

in you, which is also a blessing, to write things about you, and they may not always be flattering. That's exactly what it is, Megan. This, Harry has turned into Britain's Blake Lively. If she doesn't like something, if he doesn't like something that you say about them, then you should be sued. You have broken the law. Yes. And that is absolutely ridiculous. Harry is cross. because he's not getting the coverage that he wants. I don't think he really cares about 20 years ago. I think he cares now. But he can't do anything about what they write about him now,

but he can try and do something about the past based on a really paranoid, twisted, warped sense of reality. But he's literally, as they would say in Britain, been handed his bottom. He has been handed his ass, and this has absolutely fell apart. Normally, though, with Harry, When things don't go well, he blames somebody else. Remember when he blamed in his book, he blamed Catherine and William for him dressing as a Nazi. He did that in his book. And so he blames people for every individual action. Finally, and I don't, I can't even, I've been trying to think about this, Megan. I don't remember a moment in his life when he's really been held accountable. He has, and he's being held accountable by the courts, and now it's going to cost him. And he doesn't have.

He does not have this money. He comes out and criticizes the decision, which is over 400 pages long. Clearly this judge put a lot of thought into it, paid very close attention to the testimonials that were offered. Harry had more than ample opportunity to prove that these scoops were gotten through illegal means. He was unable to do it. And he calls it a complete and obvious whitewash.

We came to court seeking justice and accountability. We have received neither. Which for a royal, which he technically is still a royal, is those are fighting words because they're taught to be respectful of the systems, you know, to be to tread lightly when you're talking about folks like judges. But no, he let him have it because he lost this one and he can't take it. Meanwhile, this guy who supposedly hates this royal family so much that he needed to leave. You know, Megxit. We talked about Brexit with Alex. This was Megxit. He and his wife fled first for Toronto, then for sadly for. for us, America. And he goes on a podcast on July 13th, just yesterday. And when asked about what his occupation was by the podcaster Joe Marler in a show called

We'll See You Now, listen to how he answers. Okay, how about this one? Occupation. Full-time dad, British Army veteran, Prince of England, Duke. But for today, I don't know. What do you want? Juk. We go with the Duke, yeah?

Obviously, for today as well because of where we are. Okay, yeah, sure. The inventor? Would you call yourself the inventor? The inventor? Of the Invictus games? Yeah. Inventor? Founder.

Founder. That's probably the better word. All right, okay, great. Jink slash adventure, yeah. Oh, Lord, he's just like his wife. Founder. I'm a founder. But how about that Prince of English?

Duke, he settles on Duke. That's his current occupation. It is? He doesn't have a job. He's never had a job. He was in the army for a while. I think we have to tip our hats to that a little bit, but he did get special treatment. Let's be very clear about that too. He doesn't have a job. He doesn't know what it is to get up and work every day. He doesn't know what it is to hustle every day. He has extraordinary privilege, and it's just too bad that he's decided to squander it and to and to waste it. And that's what I think makes people so angry here, is that Harry is always complaining, always moaning, and you just want to shake him, because I think if any of us had 10% of what he has been given, our lives would be just so much different. And so it's so frustrating. The Briggs

have had it with him. I think any hope of this trip being a comeback has failed miserably. And it's his own, it's his own fault. And I'm also too perplexed about why he's doing these interviews. Like, he never leaves an interview and you're liking more, even people that are friendly to Harry, see the most basic questions. What do you do for a living? What do you do? And he's a prince of English. But it also tells you how much that actually means to him. He pretends it doesn't mean anything to him. He pretends that he doesn't care. It is in his soul. It is in every fibre of him, Megan. He is a Prince of England and how dare you forget it and how dare the other royals not treat him as one. That's where all the anger comes from. He still needs it. So you mentioned

this trip because what's happened is he's over there in the UK making the rounds. There was a big row, as the Brits say, about whether he would stay at Buckingham Palace and whether he would get the full protections that a working royal would get or even you know, like a British prime minister. And the answer was no, you will not. You're not a working royal and you're not a prime minister. And you can pay for your own security. And the British taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for that.

He threw a his he fit as he has every time. They ultimately did invite him to stay at Buckingham Palace. He didn't get back to them in time. Finally, they said, we no longer can accommodate you because this is not something we can turn on a dime. It's not like me saying, Rob, you want to come stay with me at the Jersey Shore? No problem. We don't have to worry about layers in the law. layers of security and guns and all the stuff and the staff at Buckingham Palace.

So anyway, he was aggrieved. Well, there are reports now that he and Megan, so she did tag along for a meeting with the king with the two grandchildren. That was her ticket in. And there are reports that they stayed at the home of Charles Spencer, Diana's brother, which, okay, before you start crying in your soup for the poor Sussexes, look at this guy's estate. Hold on. We're going to show you. I think it's nicer than Buckingham Palace. I think it's bigger. The grounds are spectacular. We'll put it on the board a second. But this is just the pond. This is reportedly where Princess Diana is buried. And by the way, I can give you my own little exclusive report here. A source tells me that Megan was there in 2023 and that at the time Charles Spencer, Diana's brother, was

very concerned about her time on this island where Diana's buried. She and Harry took the rowboat to the island to see where Diana was, you know, her remains were. And that was when they were filming material for Netflix. Look at this home. It looks like Downton Abbey. It's bigger than Downton Abbey for the listening audience. Poor Harry wound up here possibly, Rob. We're not totally sure of it. And we're supposed to feel sad for him. It's so ridiculous. It's such rich people. trouble. Buckingham Palace is not a hotel. So when you phone up a hotel, you can get a room tonight, you can get one in a couple of hours. It's just not set up like that. And I know it feels a little petty, a little weird that they didn't have room for him. It just needed a little bit

of notice and he didn't have the decency to tell them that. So ultimately, he couldn't stay there. My sources are saying the same. He stayed at Ulthrop Park, which is just a magnificent home. And it's where Diana grew up. It's also where she is bearing. I hope they didn't take photographs of the grave. I hope we don't get pictures of the children by the headstone. But with these two, you never really know. And so the brother has every, Diana's brother has every reason to be nervous. You don't know what these two are going to do.

Yes, he was. He was reportedly, according to my source, nervous the first time back in 2023 that they were going to film Diana's grave or themselves inappropriately on the grounds of where she grew up for Netflix. That's, I mean, what he thinks of them. So while he gave Harry a landing pad, he's clearly got their number. Now, you've got some exclusive reporting out about, because Megan and Harry reportedly think this was a huge win that King Charles agreed to meet with them.

They, of course, lured this elderly man in with the promise of seeing his grandchildren, whom have been withheld from him for all these years because they, they, they, they, have these petty grievances, these champagne caviar problems. Well, Rob's got exclusive reporting on it's what you didn't see that puts the lie to that claim. We've got much more to go through. Rob Shooter stays with us. Also what Wheels and Kate are up to and then we'll get into some politics. Stay tuned. High prices might be here to stay. Gas, groceries, insurance. If you're a homeowner, you may have thought, should I refinance to pay off this credit card debt? Well, then you second guess yourself because of that low mortgage.

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I think many people can relate to this. If you have a sibling causing trouble in the family, I think the siblings are the first ones to want to do tough love, and the parent is the last one who wants to do the tough love because we're all softies for our kids. So King Charles still can be manipulated by Harry and certainly the promise of spending time with his grandchildren, of whom he doesn't have that many. He only has two sons, so he's got Williams' three kids and now Harry's two, who he doesn't know hardly at all, was too much for him. and he agreed to see that this family of Sussexes, but you say this is actually not some huge win for the Duke and Duchess. Why? Yeah, so Megan desperately needs to remind the world that she is associated with royalty.

Her deals have really dried up, and she didn't get any of those deals because of some talent. She got all those deals when she married him. She did not have a $100 million deal before she became the Duchess. And so she's figured out she's not stupid. I've met Megan several times. I've interviewed her over the years. She figured out that after everything failed,

the way back is to remind the world again that she's a member of this royal family. It's so interesting to me. The one thing that makes her interesting is that she married a royal. So trying to run away from that is just a terrible brand strategy. It's an awful thing to, on a human level,

on a family level, but I don't think for one minute she wanted to meet the king so that she could feel. this family. I think it was a business decision, a business idea, and so she desperately wanted a photograph. We know the world we live in. We know the world of social media. We want to see a picture of the king, of Megan, of the children, of Harry, of everybody smiling. The palace said absolutely not. This is not a state visit. This is not even an official visit. This is a family

visit. And so there's no photographs. And so because of that, I think that's a state visit. I think that's the clearest example I have of why this didn't exactly work out the way she wanted it too she she wanted the king's embrace and if she got that if she got that seal of approval that good housekeeping seal of approval she would be able to monetize that she would be able to use that to her advantage and the palace was very smart on this one they said come and meet him he's an old man he wants to meet the grandkids he's a father here he's not a king he's a grandfather here he's not a king and because all that, because of all the above, there will be no official photographer there. There'll be no photographs leaked. And so I think here that she didn't exactly get what she wants and she certainly

didn't win. A lot of us were frightened that Megan would be able to manipulate the king. But I think in this instinct, nothing has changed. They met for an hour and a half. They had tea. They talked about stuff that had no big relevance. Small talk. There's no one better than the royal family for making chit-chat. If ever you've been around the royals, they say nothing. It's like cotton can do. They just talk and they don't say anything. And so he could sit there for an hour and a half and say absolutely nothing. So if she went in wanting to have a peace plan or a rehabilitation plan or maybe get him to advertise her jam, I don't know. None of that happened. So they certainly didn't win. So if the palace wanted to have a real reconciliation and to telegraph that to the

world, what would they have done? It would have been a photograph. They would have had a BBC camera crew there. They would have done this not out in the country. This was at an estate hours outside London. It would have been much more central. And so the fact it was at High Grove, a beautiful place, a magnificent house to go to, it wasn't at an official palace. This is a private residence. It is owned by the royal family. It's not owned by the state. If they wanted to give a a message that their friends again, they would have had them visit them in Clarence House. They would have had them come to Buckingham Palace. I don't think they would have gone out on a balcony and waved to the crowd,

but they would have had photographs taken. We would have had images of them arriving, smiling, leaving, and then afterwards they would have put out a statement saying how wonderful it was to see them again and to see the grandchildren. No statement, no photographs, nothing. Meanwell, has the king had any meaningful contact with these grandchildren since they were born? No. I mean, these two have had them shepherded away in Montecito where they're spending lots of time with, who's the guy, Tyler Perry, their celebrity godfather, but their actual grandfather, they don't know him at all, and he doesn't know them.

Yeah, it's a real cruel because he is a king, but he's still a human being and he is a man. and all my reporting on him throughout the years, and this is confirmed by other reporters too. He's a softie. He's quite a sweet guy. In fact, I think his softness can sometimes be used against him. He's a terribly decent man. Is he a strong man? Is he a man that you want in charge? Maybe not, but he's a very decent person. And for these two to be doing this to a man with cancer, he's doing better, thankfully, and nobody knows him better. than his son. Harry knows all his weaknesses. He knows all the buttons to press. He would love to have a relationship with these grandchildren. He doesn't. They've Skyped. They've made some phone calls. But this wasn't what they wanted. They would love to be able to fix this on a family level, Megan. But that's

what the problem is here. Harry and Megan are not interested in fixing the family. They want a professional relationship. It's about the money. It's about the association to rule. They want the brand. It's about being close to power. And so they're both coming at it from a very different place, and that's why we're never going to get a solution. Poor Thomas Markle, if only he had some money to offer them, maybe he too would get a visit from his daughter so he could know his grandkids. But he's not going to get any phone call, is he, Rob, because he doesn't wear a crown.

Yeah, not powerful enough. You know, Megan has a long history of dumping friends, of dumping people when she doesn't need them anymore. and she certainly climbed the ladder doing that. She always wanted to be one of the most famous people in the world. She is that, but I would argue it's come at a really ugly cost. There's nobody left around them. They fell out with the Beckham's. Now this lawsuit could end their relationship with Elton John.

Elton John has been very kind to this couple. He sent them his private plane to bring them to France on vacation. He performed at their wedding. Elton John was the wedding singer at the royal wedding. And now this lawsuit, it's everything they touch here. It just turns to you know what. It just, they're the chaos couple. It felt like the circus was in town.

And I think that the best way to punish them if you're not close to them, if you don't like them, is just to ignore them. That's ultimately what these two can't stand. And that's what the king did. And I also think, too, I just have to say, because it did make me giggle. I used to work for Princess Michael of Kent. I was a publicist here in America. So I've dealt with the British Royal Family. I've worked with their press office.

They really are good at changing the narrative. They're real experts at spin. And so while Harry and the kids and Megan were meeting with the King in Windsor, just outside London, William was at a polo match. And he kissed Kate. And that's the photograph that ran around the world the next day. That's the picture. Wait, I think we have that.

Hold on. Let's see that. It's a sound bite. That's seven. Watch. To have them here in his busy schedule, his royal highness, the prince of Wales. clapping for him, now they're kissing, cheek to cheek, each cheek.

That's how you win the story. That's how you win the narrative. You don't know that I used to be a publicist before I was a reporter of gossip columnist. One of my clients was Jessica Simpson. And Jessica Simpson on the day that Nick Lacheyes, they broke up. They had a very ugly breakup. On the day that his new album came out, Jessica dyed her hair red. and she got all the press. She just went out of her way

to steal a story. And this is what the palace did on the day that they met. And then the next day was Wimbledon, the tennis, and then we saw the royal family in the royal box too. This is how they win this argument,

not by taking on the Sussexes, not by going after them, by ignoring them. So you're saying that the kiss, because we don't see them kiss each other a lot. We see them holding hands or whatever, but that kissing on the left cheek in the right cheek,

that moment was prescripted in your belief because they knew it would get picked up everywhere. Yeah, absolutely. I really did this a long time. A tip, everybody. If you see a celebrity and a photographer captures them somewhere and they're in full hair and makeup,

it's probably staged. Now, if they're picking their nose at Starbucks or if they're squashing a spot on their face, that is probably a legitimate photograph. So 90% of the photographs you see are staged. Look at them. It looks fabulous. Look at the angle.

Look where the camera is. Look at the lighting. I know it's natural light. Oh, it's amazing. And she was not meant to go to this polo match on the original schedule. Kate wasn't on that schedule. So in the last minute, they said to Kate, you know, Kate, maybe you should put on a pretty dress and go and kiss your husband. And she did it. And so this is what everybody's talking about. This moment won. They nailed it. Everyone's rooting for them. And they're obviously the A-listers, whereas these Sussexes are D-list. They reportedly, Now, I think it was you who reported that Megan Markle was dying for an invite to Taylor Swift's wedding. And it was not forthcoming because, well, among other reasons, they don't know her or like her, but they're friends with the A-list couple. That's right. That's right. So I don't think not knowing, not knowing Taylor and Travis would necessarily get you barred. My report is a lot of people at that wedding were asking the one question, which is, do you know them?

Nobody knew them. Nobody. I spoke to four people who went to the wedding. And they wanted to say, thank you. They couldn't get near her because she had security around her. And so they couldn't thank her for inviting them. And then if you can't speak to the bride on the day of the wedding, maybe that happens. You text them the next day or you, no one's got her phone number.

No one's got her email. They have this anonymous 1-800 invite. So there's so many people there that didn't know them. I don't think that disqualified, Megan. What disqualified her is the day before. the wedding, guests who appeared on Travis's podcast, The Prince of Wales. They have made a friendship. In fact, now we're finding out just a few months ago, Taylor and Travis were in London and they did pop into the palace and met them. It's come to the point with Harry and Megan

where you've got to pick sides. And so it's unfortunate when that happens, but some situations get so toxic, so ugly, you can't be neutral anymore. And who's going to pick them over the future king and queen? Every mistake. Every mistake. Every mistake. make Megan they've made. Like they just, if there's a way to mess something up, Harry and Megan will do it. They can't help themselves. Yeah. They're their own worst enemies because they really are true narcissists. And so every decision is made from there. And like the others aren't. And therefore, they can make decisions that are selfless that are actually for the benefit of others. It's just over time you get to see this and you know it when you see it. So they're their own

worst enemies. I do want to get back to Harry and Megan and the Wimbledon pictures of Kate and Will with the children, which are irresistible. But before we do, let's spend a minute on the Taylor wedding, because I didn't know that you had reporting on that. That's very interesting that at least four people who are invited, don't, they don't know them. They're not sure why they were invited. They don't know. A thousand people. Who knows a thousand people? If you're the most popular person, nobody knows. Not intimately. This wasn't a wedding. This was an announcement to the world

that Travis is open for business. If you want to make a film, cast my husband. It actually reminds me, do you remember at the Lion King premiere in London where Harry turned up with Megan and tried to hustle Disney executives into giving her a job?

Harry was on an open mic, and Beyonce looked horrified, and she was in the Lion King, and Harry's pitching his wife for jobs. And I think that's what this wedding felt like to me. Tommy Hillfigure was at this wedding. I guarantee you,

the next fashion week, guess he'll be sitting front row at Tommy. It'll be Travis Kelsey. So this was like a branding opportunity. It makes me laugh that everybody talks about the privacy and they wanted this to be, you don't get married at Madison Square Garden with a thousand people watching if you want privacy.

You just don't do it. And so I think the knock-on effects this is going to have for Taylor's, might be quite significant because the question that I'm hearing a lot now is, was this just an odd choice? Was this just a strange decision? Or did she trick us all along? Was this who she always was? And I think we know now, looking back, she's made a lot of money writing songs about romance, about loves, about breakups. She's never been private. She's always welcomed us into her life. And it's a similar way, though, that Harry has with his

lawsuit. He wants publicity when he wants it. He wants publicity. He wants publicity. when he dictates the terms, he doesn't want it to be a two-way street. And so I think it's almost impossible now for Taylor Swift to argue that she's a private celebrity and we should give her her privacy. Oh, yeah. By the way, I mean, some people who are at the wedding are openly calling it extremely gaudy, that it wasn't classy, it was in your face and brash. And to your point about, did anybody actually know the couple?

Like, you'd have to know somebody pretty intimately to get invited to their wedding, typically. I mean, because even there's lots of people in my life who I'm friends with, but I wouldn't expect to be invited to their wedding. You know, like, that's a next level of friendship. They seem to have invited every layer as long as you could do something for them.

But I have to tip my hat to Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley got invited and spoke openly about it. Listen to the soundbite. So you didn't get the invite to the royal wedding at Madison Square Garden then? I did. Oh, you did get the invite.

You didn't go? I don't go to weddings. That's one of my... I don't go to weddings or funerals, but I did get an invite, and I politely declined, because I thought it was going to be a crap show. And, like,

I love Travis and Jason, and I've all met Taylor one time, but yeah, I did get an invite, but I said, hey, you know what, that's just too much. I just want to hang out and play golf, and I don't want to dress up and all that other stuff. But I appreciate the invitation.

It was pretty special. special. Rob, I don't think he knows them at all. He saw, I love Travis and he's the brother. He's talking about like sports wise. He's not reflecting an intimate friendship there. And he doesn't know Taylor at one time. And he got the invite. They don't know her. They don't know her. You just said it. You just made me really think about it. It's your wedding. This is not the Academy Awards. This is not a party. This is not the Grammys. It's your wedding. And on that one day, you couldn't have a moment for yourself and your groom. It had to be this production

and it had to be this overtop extravaganza for people who you don't know. It's really telling, isn't it? It's a cider tailor that I think is surprising to a lot of people. People that have covered her like me for a long time are a little less surprised about it. But even so, this was so vulgar.

It was so over the top. It was so toned death. It was so toned death. In the middle of a heat wave, on the weekend of the 4th of July, one of the busiest travel days of the year here in America, they did a wedding on top of a transit hub, shut down streets, inviting people that they didn't know. Why? The whole thing was ludicrous. I did chuckle, though, because some of the celebrities I know who were invited, they actually wanted to be seen entering. It was sort of like they got the golden tickets,

And they were very disappointed when they drove up and their cars were put behind a curtain. That's why you saw people. That's why you saw Lina Dunham and Berisha Harte-Tegra whined down their windows. Did you notice that? We did not have to see them. Yes. We also saw, I think it was Seth Myers who walked in, Jason Sadecas, wanting to be seen. You could get into this.

We never saw pictures of Julia Roberts or Beyonce, but there was a few celebrities who were absolutely disappointed when they got there and realized, no, I'm going to see me. I'm behind a tent. These people are so pathetic. Now, meanwhile, the guy who writes or wrote some of Taylor's songs, Jack Antonoff, he got married at the Jersey Shore. It was two or three years ago. It was very, I mean, like, I haven't even changed my hair in that time frame, okay? And it was three years ago. He was, married Andy McDowell's daughter. Forgive me, I don't know her name. I just know Andy McDowell,

the actress. And they're already divorcing from the look of it. The reports are that she's removed all their wedding photos from her Instagram. They were married recently enough that their wedding photos were still up on her Instagram. She scrubbed them all. She did not, he was invited to the wedding. She did not go with him. Like these marriages, they don't last, Rob. These these Hollywood types, these big music mogul types, they are operas. on entirely different values than the rest of us. This wedding, I think, gave us all a reflection of that. Anybody that looks at love and romance and intimacy and privacy

knows that that wasn't what happened at Madison Square Garden. I wish them the best. I do. You know, most Hollywood marriages don't make it. We know that they have a very strict and ironclad divorce, probably a very smart idea. But it doesn't look good, does it? It looks as if they went into this with different expectations. It definitely felt to me more like an announcement that we were now an alist couple

and we're open for business. And if you want to invest in us, please come along. I don't remember the Sussex field. It felt like the Sussex feel. It felt like Griffith. Because aren't you reporting that now Travis is getting invited to these like fashion shows and so. But they don't really want him.

They're hoping he brings the misses. And he knows it. He's not dumb. If you, like, you know, I have a lot of friends in New York who are event planners and PR people. They always invite Matthew Broderick because they hope he brings Sarah Jessica Parker. Like, nobody wants Matthew Broderick at their event, but they want him to bring Sarah Jessica. She's Carrie Bradshaw. And so the same here with Travis.

And Travis is not a dummy. He wasn't getting invited to this stuff. He has become the number one guest. If you're planning an event, if you're planning a party in New York, if you're planning a fashion show, he's going to be invited to every single event on the hope, the wish, the prayer that he brings the wife along. It's going to be a really true. Right, because he's got some fashion icon. Absolutely.

But these events, though, but it just gives us another insight. They're not fashion shows. They're PR stunts. There to get in the first. That's why the clothes are so ridiculous. We wouldn't buy those clothes. The more ridiculous, the more attention they're going to get. And I got to, got to say it, nobody knows how to get more attention than Travis and Taylor.

They know how to do you. Well, well, I'm going to challenge you. This one person, she might. She's just as thirsty. She goes by the name of J-Lo, which is short for Jennifer Lopez. And I was saying I wanted around back to Wimbledon. We love tennis and my family. We watch a lot of tennis and my family plays a lot of tennis.

I don't, but my family does. And we were watching Wimbledon. And who do we see paraded right down in the royal box? But J-Lo, who doesn't know anything about tennis? She's not into tennis. Trust me, I've been at a lot of these big tennis events. She's ever there. She just figured out that this would be yet another vehicle for her to use for PR.

But she shows up in this, enormous hat, like this huge sunblocking hat, which is a violation of all the protocols of Wimbledon and of tennis watching in general. Because one wrong move and you're blocking half the people behind you from seeing the ball as it travels across the court. But there she was. And I thought the tell was in the fact that, what, two doors down from her in the same box was Ben Stiller. Now, what do we know about Ben Stiller? We just saw him recently, second row at the NBA championships. And he gave an interview to all those guys, Barclay, et cetera, after one of the big matches

or games. And they were like, oh, you know, so you, how much did the tickets cost you to get those great seats? You know, you've been a lifelong Knicks fan. And he's like, oh, and he was awkward, but he admitted it. He goes, I didn't pay for these tickets. Celebrities don't pay. They got gifted to us because they want to see celebrities in the B-roll.

You know, like I think it was the Madison Square Garden owner, what's his name, who gave it to Ben Stiller. And then suddenly Ben Stiller's front row in the Royal Box at Wimbled in and two doors down from him is a girl who will show up to the opening of an envelope, Jennifer Lopez. This is how it works. This is a dirty little secret of Hollywood. I used to work for J-Lo. I was jailer's publicist about 20 years ago. So you know. When she was with Ben Part 1, not the second time.

In fact, I wrote the breakup statements, my claim to fame. I was on the phone with Jennifer when they broke up. I know. And she was very specific about the wording. And I think we did ask for privacy, which means always the opposite. I love celebrities that put out statements asking for privacy. It's like when you do an interview. And during the interview, we're like, I want some privacy.

So Jennifer knows how this works. So true. Jennifer enjoys being a celebrity. Like, of all the people I've worked with or I've met, J-Lo loves being J-Lo. And so any opportunity for a camera, a thirsty moment, she's going to be there. She, I guarantee you,

she has no idea what she's watching. She doesn't know where the ball go. She doesn't know. She knows nothing about the rules of tennis. And I'm actually quite sure that she was probably miserable. Because if you don't understand the sport, It can be a little bit boring. And nobody around her is going to tell her.

So poor Jailo, the only silver lining is it was a really long match. And the thought of her happened to sit there in that ridiculous hat for, for two, three hours, gives me a little bit of joy. But this is how celebrity works. Jailo knows that. She knows exactly what she's doing. Yes. Well, she was outclassed, obviously, by Princess Kate, who was there with Prince William. and two of the three royal children.

They had Prince George, who's the heir parent. They had Princess Charlotte, and they didn't have Prince Louis, who is always stealing the show. That kid is so adorable and so cute. But they had the older two. And this is another example to me, Rob, of just hashtag winning,

because all they have to do is show themselves, and they win. They win the PR battles. All of them, including the little guy. who wasn't here, are gorgeous. They're so fun to watch on camera. Prince George, I have a soft spot for, because his birthday is literally 24 hours

before my Thatcher, who is the same age and has a bit of a resemblance to him, actually. And Princess Charlotte is, like, the spitting image, I think, of, well, I guess she's a good mixture of her parents, but I think she looks like Princess Kate.

Yeah, I do. And behind the scenes, they were glad-handing, as you can see here. Of course, the winner, Yonick Sinner, came through. They easily made small talk with him. They were by far the bigger stars, even at Wimbledon. And they just, like, to your point of like, they generate publicity just by showing up at these events and

being their normal, charming selves, no one was thinking a thing about Megan Markle or Prince Harry or their grievances around where they're staying or their, you know, let's face it, also D-list children. I'm sorry, I said it. You're going to get in trouble. Welcome to me. It's a day ending in Y. I think what makes them so good at this is that they're so not trying to force any other agenda. They're not selling us a pot of jam. They're not selling us their grievances. They're not trying to score points against their dad. They're not trying to shame the British public into being potential racist. They're just there to do their job.

Kate struggled with this job. Anybody that knows her, anybody that's reported on her, she really had to learn her craft. And to her credit, she did. She has spent hours and hours really learning how to do this. She is not a natural at it, but she did the work. Oh, you'd never know that. I know. It's just flawless now.

But we all do the work, you know, to be mildly entertaining, talking about the royals for an hour with you, has taken me 30 years of work. And that's what I really appreciate. Because I think Megan and Harry just want the good stuff. They just want the glamorous stuff. They just want to turn up for the premieres. They don't want to do the work behind the scenes. And I think that Kate's different.

She does do the work. And she also is extraordinarily good at knowing when she's overexposed. When it's enough, she can pull back. Harry and Megan don't know when they're... enough. In fact, I don't think there's ever enough of it. And so hats off to them. They're the secret weapon of the royal family. These two are the reason that I'm really optimistic about the future of the monarchy. And I can't wait to see what they do with it and what changes they make and the dignity that they do it with. It's lovely to see people like this in a world that celebrates

Kardashians. It's lovely to see people like this in a world that celebrates. Yes. Thank you. real housewives. It's just so refreshing. And, you know, there's something lovely about being full of grace and charm and not anger. And so they can't beat this. And I think the best thing for the royals to do, for Kate to do, is just keep showing up and ignoring them. Let them go back to Montecito. Yeah, just being herself. I'll say this, what you were saying about how they put in the work, unlike the losers out in Montecito, that there was a quote that, that was on the internet the other day. I forwarded it to my family because I loved it.

It was by Kobe Bryant. He was always saying things like this. This is right on brand for him. But here's the quote. Quote, everyone wants to be a beast. Everyone wants to be the best. But very few people are willing to do what it actually takes.

Because what it takes is boring. It is waking up at 4 a.m. It is shooting the same shot a thousand times. It is watching the film when you are tired. People fall in love with the result, but they hate the process. You have to fall in love with the boredom. You have to fall in love with the repetition.

If you can find joy in the mundane work that no one else sees, the lights will eventually shine on you. That's it. Megan. That's it. That's the difference. And that's the difference in all of our lives. You don't have to be a princess. You don't have to be a royal.

You don't have to be a star athlete. To know that. My friends are the most successful are the ones that do the work. in whatever field that is, do the work. And that's why shows like American Idol are so annoying. Nobody's an overnight success. Nobody. And if you are an overnight success, it's going to be gone overnight too.

If you want to get there and you want to stay there, do the work. William and Kate do the work. And I think they're going to raise their children in a way, too, where they appreciate hard work. And they appreciate duty. And they appreciate service. And they appreciate showing up. I mean, look at her. The fashion alone and turning up.

and having the whole crowd stand for her because they love her. The Brits absolutely love her. And her children are charming. And there's never any trouble with them. The Middletons are never getting in trouble. There's not scandal there. There's been a few hiccups along the way. But I think they've adjusted to that too.

You know, nobody teaches you how to be famous, but certainly nobody teaches your family. And so it's just a, it's something to be really proud of. I'm so proud of them as a Brit. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you're just not your, the one downside of being a royal is, I guess you're not allowed to, like, have any Botox or, you know, laser. I don't know.

It doesn't seem like they, they get any procedures because they're supposed to age normally, naturally, because that's the ultimate middle finger and showing of your power and wealth. Like, I see it in social circles, like the ones who have true F you money. Like blue blood money, they don't do a thing to themselves. They're like, do it. I know. I don't have to. Suckers. With all that money, we don't notice it.

I just look at the money. I know. Anyway, all this has brought me to Blake Lively, who is way more in the Megan and Harry camp than she ever could be in the William and Kate camp. And she is out there now having clearly lost this ridiculous attempt at PR rehab, which was her lawsuit, trying to turn her loss into. a win by trying to get Justin Baldoni to pay her that we finally have the number, $8 million in legal fees that she claimed she had to expend just to have his one counter

claim for defamation thrown out. She filed 13 claims. 10 of her claims were thrown out. He didn't have to pay legal fees. She didn't have to pay his legal fees for any one of them. He filed one and she got it thrown out. He's got to pay all of her legal fees for this one. because of this wacky California law having to do with sexual harassment victims of which she's not one. That claim was thrown out too. But anyway, she claims getting rid of that one claim cost her $8 million. And now we finally have his responsive pleading saying, that's ridiculous.

He's not going to pay her $8 million. And they're pointing he and his team to the New York Times, which also was sued by Baldoni for defamation because they filed this lawsuit that was basically stenciled by Blake Lively, and they got sued for defamation, and they got it thrown out. And their legal fees were, I think, memory services don't have a paper in front of me, $200,000, Rob. Yeah. Cause them $200,000 to have it thrown out. She wants $8 million. So once again, to the end, she looks like a money grubbing, you know what. Yes, yeah. It's shocking to me that you can go through something like,

this, this really long, drawn-out process and not learn anything about yourself. Blake has exposed everything that I think people whispered about for a long time. People knew in the business that she was really, really awful. They knew that. Whenever in my office there's an opportunity to interview a celebrity, I try to share the wealth. I try to give it to different person every time when I walk into the office, into the newsroom and say, we've got an interview with this celebrity.

who wants to interview them. Everybody puts their hand up. The one exception is Blake Lively. Nobody on my team ever wanted to talk to her. Then nobody wanted to go to the premieres or interview her on the red carpets because she was awful to them. She was just outright rude to them. And so I think all that has now been made very, very clear. And you would think that Blake would pause and think about that. And this lawsuit now, this is about hurting him. She's really angry that he won, basically. He won. And she's really, really angry. And so, what is she going to do? She's going to kick him one last time, somewhere where it really hurts in his pocketbook. He does not have the money she and Ryan has. And so she just wants to punish him.

But in the process, I think she's going to end up punishing herself again, which has been the ongoing theme of the last couple of months. Every time she, the last couple of years, every time she tries to hurt him, she ends up really, really hurting herself. They have padded these expenses. Like, It's ridiculous. Every time she called her lawyer, he has to pay for that. A narcissistic celebrity calling a lawyer for three hours, he's got to pay for that. A question she has that could have been answered in an email or a text. She had to get on the phone and have therapy and talk. And so it's really inflated. It's really wrong. I hope it doesn't stand. There's a really wacky law in California, which needs to be addressed here. The one thing that I think is. is in his favor, though, is whatever he has to pay her, she's going to have to pay a lot more in the court of public opinion. She's done. She is absolutely done.

Is she considered box office poison now? Absolutely. Casting directors don't want to meet with her. Would you want a director in a movie? If she doesn't like what you're telling her to do, she might say you sexually harassed her. Like, she has said awful things about someone she worked with none of which were true.

And so who's going to ever trust her again? Would you want her in your movie? What about a kissing scene, an intimate scene in the movie? No, no, no. I wouldn't trust her. No. And so she has set herself up now for failure. And let's be clear about this.

Her career wasn't that hot. She's not made 20 blogbuster movies. She's not Scarlett Johansson. She's made some really sort of weak films. This film is arguably her most successful film she's ever made. And she blew it. She could have made a sequel. The last two years,

instead of talking about this, she could have been talking about her hair care, her products. She could have been selling us moisturiser. She could have been selling us a new movie.

She chose to do this. It was her decision. The results have now come out. And it's shocking to me, after all that, Megan, she still has to have that final jab, that final petty,

pettiness that we all see through. And it might cost him. She should have just, walked away. It's like, did it, was this not painful enough? Like, did you, did you not see yourself dragged enough as the bad facts came out about you? Like, finally, it's mercifully over. Right, right. Walk away. Know when to walk away. It's like a bad gambler. Right. She didn't know when to walk away. Harry's lawsuit reminds me of this so much. It was all based on narcissism. It's all based on you said something, you wrote something that I didn't like.

Now I'm going to go after journalists. Most journalists do not have the resources that we might have. And so it was just, it's messy. Ultimately, though, the good news here is that we all now know the truth. Blake's poison. Well, and listen to what Brian Friedman, the lawyer for Justin Baldoni, happens to be my own as well, wrote in the motion responding, in their responsive pleading, quote,

Lively's fee request is so over-inclusive that it sweeps in fees for researching her own liability for perjury arising from her California human rights campaign claim and her Rule 11 motion, which is a motion for sanctions, which the court has already denied fees for. So she's lumped everything but the kitchen sink in here in an effort to recover this $7.5 million in attorney's fees and $500,000 in expenses and cost for a total fee of $8 million. Brian argues in his pleading that the case was overstaffed. They billed multiple lawyers for the same hearings, numerous charges for lawyers conferencing and strategizing with one another, that it was overstaffed and built more than 7,000 errors

by 82 individuals, which is roughly 20 times what is typical in a comparable litigation. And he points out that the New York Times requested $181,000, not even $200,000 in attorney's fees after defeating the same claims. It's really, it's unbelievable. It's meantime, she's reportedly irate because Justin Baldoni is speaking, Rob. He and his wife, Emily, breaking their silence. They've said nothing for this whole time to their credit. Blake Lively was at the time 100, but me too. I'm a me too victim. So is my mom. Listen to my mom. Me too glory by, you know, relation.

And here are Justin and his wife, Emily, talking about this experience. SOT 15. We are sitting here today feeling immense gratitude for so many things and so many people and so many things that have happened to us. Gratitude has saved us. It has. And I also feel that it's important. as we say that, in that gratitude, it doesn't negate the injustice and the pain that we have also felt in the last few years. And we've had to wrestle with so many things and try to understand so many things, like how could something like this even happen, let alone disguise as a fight for women? So much to unpack. Right. And the truth is, reality is that there's been a lot of trauma for us to move through as a family.

We don't even know this is the right thing to say, but we just know we need to share something. What I will say is that there have been so many painful things that have been spoken into existence. Untruthful. Over the last couple years. And that created so much noise, and we didn't want to add to the noise. So we just wanted to let the justice system run its course. And the truth and the facts have spoken for themselves. And here we are.

We are healing. And if you've ever been through something traumatic, you know that healing isn't linear. It looks different every day. And we have had to rethink for ourselves what is real and what matters. And it's this. It's this. The kids.

It's our family. Yeah. It's our friends. It's our community. Our faith. We've been there for us. It's our faith. I think we're closer and more devoted and steadfast in our faith than we've ever been.

Wow. So I know. And I know you've got reporting on her reaction to that, Blake and Ryan's. First of all, let me just say, that's the way to do it. You put out a video. You sit there. You tell the truth. You're not overlit.

You're not overly made up. two people who looks at they're in their kitchen or at their home, and they're talking directly to the camera, and they're saying really beautiful things. If I was Blake lively, I'd be really worried because that's just the beginning. This is David and Goliath. When this case began years ago, I thought Blake was going to absolutely win this because she's Blake lively and she's got all the resources in the world and she can sit down and do interviews. And her husband's a very famous gentleman too and has a lot of money. Justin Baldoni and his wife have acted, I think, with such grace. That video is just the beginning. I hope they keep doing it. I think it was really

smart, but they didn't sit down and do an interview. I don't think they want questions at the moment. They just want to say it the way they want to say. It got picked up by every media outlet in the world. So that's the way that you do one of these reactions, one of these videos. Blake saw that. So my sources tell me she absolutely saw it. She saw it many, many times. Her team will probably tell you she's too busy. She's too glamorous. She's too busy being a mom to pay any attention to this. Don't believe it. She's absolutely lived and breathed this for the last two years. In fact, that $8 million is basically him having to pay her for breathing every day. Like it literally every day of her life has been about this trial. And I think that's what she's trying to

try to bill him for, which is so ludicrous. But she's watched it. She's watched it several times she's angry at the minute my sources tell me the one that's really angry is her husband ryan who thinks of himself as a PR marketing genius and the fact he was arguably beaten to the punch here they say in PR whoever tells their side first is often the one that wins and so now they're going to be playing catch-up i'm pretty sure at some point they will respond they haven't responded yet but you know Ryan's writing a script as we speak and it will be in the teleprompter and it will be the opposite video to what we just saw. That's such a good point.

You can't, now they can't do their own direct-to-camera, low-makeup video. Now they just look like glomers. So, yes. And now they've just decided to say, oh, we're silent. That's our powers and our silence. You know, sure, like, okay, sure, sure. I agree with you. They handled it beautifully.

They came across as very classy. And I think it's very interesting and effective to have Emily quite. and expertly slide in the dagger with this sort of a side of disguised as a fight for women. That's the lion. Well done. That's the lion. Well done. Wow.

You know? Okay. Now, wait. Before we go, I've got to ask you about Snow White. It's not going well. Snow White is not doing well. Not Snow White. Supergirl, which is the new Snow White, that's why I said it.

Supergirl is the worst earning DC. movie since 2004's Catwoman. DC Comics, right? Is that what that stands for, DC? Yeah. Okay. Right now, Supergirl is the worst earning DC movie in 22 years. This is V.F. Forbes since the infamous Holly Berry starring Catwoman of 2004, widely regarded

as one of the worst superhero movies ever made. It is, it reportedly cost $108 million, I made $108 million globally and still needs, another 22 million to get close to the most terrible releases of the past few years, right? It still needs another 22 million? I don't know what that means. But in any event, it's not doing well.

And they say that they spent almost, well, it was 300 million, basically, to make this, if not more, because there was over 100 million to actually make it. And then there was all the money that it took to market it, $170 million to produce,

$120 million to market. So yeah, making 100 is not so great, Rob. Yeah, that's what Hollywood's all about. We often think it's about awards or quality. It's that money. And if this movie was an awful movie, but it made a billion dollars, everybody would be jumping for joy and then make another one. Sex and the City wasn't very good, but it kept making money until it didn't. That's why we have three awful movies. So it's not about the quality here. It's not about that this is not a very good movie, it's not. But if it'd be a bad movie that made money, executives would be jumping up and down and she would be toasted as the new Angelina Jolie. It's about money. And that's a lot about show business. It's a lot about entertainment, is that you could be a pretty bad singer, but if you make

money, you'll keep singing songs. And so this one was a double-edged sword here. It lost a lot of money. Why is it? Like, why? Why did it fail so miserably? I think that, A, it's just the wrong movie for the wrong time. I think this is a movie that is trying to push an agenda, arguably a political gender, that is no longer accepted. And this is the problem that a lot of Hollywood movies and music have. It takes a long time to make a movie. It takes a long time for it to come out. So if you start something when we are at the peak of a political moment, by the time it comes out, that moment might have passed. And so I think this had just missed the moment. And it just wasn't very good.

It was dull. It was boring. I was so aware that it was a super girl, and that seemed to be more important than any plot, but it was a girl telling it. And so I think that ultimately, too, I looked at the research here. I looked at the box office.

Women didn't show up. That's why this movie didn't do very well. Women didn't show up. Yeah. We don't want to be lectured to like this. We certainly don't want a character running around reminding us, there's no male figure, there's no romance in it and that's empowering.

I think my character swings both ways. Okay, all right, goodbye. Goodbye. We know what we're being spoon fed. It's the same way like the left assumes that Latinos are all against a strong border. No, they're not. It's the opposite. Right.

And they think women are going to want to, they're going to feel empowered by watching this two-pound, odd-looking young person who's lecturing us about, you know, her character's, what, non-binary, whatever she says it is, as our new female role model. It's a no. It's a no. Rob, we got to go. It's been a pleasure. Thanks so much for being here. Good to see you. Take care. Rob Shooter, everybody, check out naughty, but nice. And also, it's starting with the whisper. Back tomorrow with Adam Carolla. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.