The Megyn Kelly Show - Iran Tensions Rise, CBS News Flop, and "Landman" Slams Pronouns, with Emily Jashinsky, Isabel Brown, and Hayley Caronia | Ep. 1230

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Megyn Kelly is joined by Emily Jashinsky, host of "After Party," to discuss how close we might be to American intervention in Iran, neocons cheering the potential actions, why Trump is correct to be cautious about next steps,leftists calling for violence and promising “war” against ICE officers, the CBS Evening News ratings continuing to fall, “Toprah” Dokupil’s bizarre emotional behavior and rants, actor Timothy Busfield finally turning himself in after arrest warrant for horrifying abuse charges, an AI tool detecting deception in Busfield's video posted before the arrest, and more. Then Isabel Brown, host of "The Isabel Brown Show," and Hayley Caronia, host of "Nightly Scroll," join to discuss Gen Z men having “approach anxiety,” how dating apps have made some men scared to talk to women in today’s culture, how feminists have scared some men into inaction, hit show “Landman” taking on the absurdity of preferred pronouns, the truth about woke college students today, and more. Subscribe now to Emily's "After Party":Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/after-party-with-emily-jashinsky/id1821493726Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0szVa30NjGYsyIzzBoBCtJYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AfterPartyEmily?sub_confirmation=1 Brown- https://www.youtube.com/@theisabelbrownCaronia- https://Rumble.com/hayley Birch Gold: Text MK to 989898 and get your free info kit on goldByrna: Go to https://Byrna.com or your local Sportsman's Warehouse today.Veracity Selfcare: Visit https://VeracitySelfCare.com & use code MK for up to 45% off your order!SimpliSafe: Visit https://simplisafe.com/MEGYN to claim 50% off any new system!  Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at:https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. While, there's a lot happening today. Things are amping up in Iran, which is going to be where we begin in just a minute. But first, just a couple of highlights of where we're going. A ratings collapse for the CBS evening news, just as we suspected there would be. It turns out that the American viewers don't want their male news anchors feminized. They don't like Topra Dokapool. I think they want an actual man. If you're going to put a man in the role, let him be a man. Honestly, if you're going to put a woman in the role, let her be a woman.

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Again, just text MK to the number 98-98 to check it out. E.J., welcome back to you. We'll get to your article in one second, but things are happening right now in Iran. Quite a bit of action, and we don't know exactly where this is going, but we have some sort of sense. The latest is that we have evacuated troops or are in the process from Al UD base in Qatar. It's our largest air base in the Middle East. Fox News described it as we are evacuating from, quote, major bases throughout the Middle East. Now, that might have just been loose language to sum up the one base.

So at this hour, it's unclear whether it's multiple bases or just the one in Qatar. Reuters is reporting that Tehran has delivered a message to key Gulf states, including Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE, that if Washington launches military action against Iran, Iranian forces will strike U.S. military bases across the region. This comes on the heels of a week in which there have been many questions about what we're about to do in Iran. President Trump said if you shoot any protesters, we're locked and loaded and ready to go in. Then they did shoot a bunch of protesters, and we haven't done anything yet, but President Trump canceled a Tuesday meeting he was supposed to have or his emissaries, he and his emissaries with Iranian emissaries, and said, no, not until you release the hostages and behave better.

It hasn't gone in that direction. There is a report out of Channel 14 in Israel that they report a foreign nation has been arming some of the Iranian protesters suggesting some of the targeting of these protesters because they're armed, which gets to one of the complications of this whole thing. It is believed by virtually everybody that both CIA and Mossad are there and playing some role in this, but Iranians who are, you know, pushing for change have made very clear and about, I don't know, a hundred videos that I've been watching trying to find, you know, an actual finger on the pulse of what's happening there, that they are the ones pushing for this,

that they want to get rid of the Ayatollah, and they don't want it suggested that this is an Israeli directed thing or a U.S. directed thing. Like, clearly they might be getting some help from those to, but that they want the Ayatollah gone. They want regime change. And the big, big question after, what, if anything, is the U.S. doing is change to what? Because just a quick broad view, what I see is CNN platforming the son of the deposed Shah, Reza Palavi, who's acting like he could step in and be the leader and he can't. He's like, he hasn't even been in a run. in like 40 years. He has no constituency. Actual Iranians, if you watch their videos, are like, who?

No, it's not him. I think he's CNN's version of, again, the Iranian Jeb Bartlett, which is going to plop in there. And he's so super friendly to America. And like the Iranians, I haven't seen any constituency over there being like, yeah, that's the one we want. So the question is who? I don't know. So, you know, it's another area where it's like, do we have a plan? If we get rid of the Ayatollah, does that help?

If, if, if, if U.S. forces go over there and get involved, does that help? Because there's this risk that some Iranians will rebel against that, you know, oh, it's like, you know, the great evil Satan has interfered in a revolution that was, you know, by the people and now, like, have an effect of causing them to rally around the regime. These are all questions that I have no answers to. there's just some of the issues that I see being discussed by people who are smart about Iran as we get these reports that we're evacuating our troops from our bases expecting retaliation. And of course, Emily, the question is retaliation for what, what are we about to do that we're

expecting retaliation for? Right. And that's a, I think one of the important points is Iran has pledged retaliation. No surprise there. We saw some of the same dance back in June when we struck their nuclear sites. And so obviously if Iran is pledging retaliation, the logical next move is to evacuate the base in Qatar, which happened at the time, and to start evacuating bases all over the Middle East. If you don't evacuate bases all over the Middle East, then you're obviously in a situation where there can be real tripwires for a bigger conflict. If American troops start dying, even if what this administration is doing is, quote, non-kinetic.

That was a leak from the administration. I mean, it was sourced to a U.S. official from Barack Ravid over at Axios that Marco Rubio was considering, quote, non-kinetic ways to aid the protesters in Iran. And that could mean a lot of different things. It could mean farming protesters, as you mentioned. It could mean other dirty tricks, CIA type operations, that sort of thing. But even if that's what's at play because the U.S. doesn't want its fingerprint. on what regime change happens for the points that you were just outlining, does U.S. fingerprints actually make it less likely for whatever the regime changes to

to succeed if it has, you know, in Venezuela, this is a problem right now for Delsi Rodriguez. People care about Venezuelan sovereignty in Venezuela. They care about Iranian sovereignty in Iran. And so if it looks like U.S. fingerprints are on a regime change operation, does that make it harder for whatever change happens? succeed. These are all things the administration is considering in addition to the fact that Trump set kind of a red line. And yesterday in his interview with Tony DeCopal, he said, he did something very interesting. DeCopal said thousands of people, thousands and thousands of people have been

killed. And Trump pushed back on that number, which is genuinely interesting because obviously the numbers, which is the most tragic and disgusting thing in the world, but they're being used as a pretext. people play with the numbers as a pretext for intervention, which is horrible and awful because these does are tradic across the board. But Trump pushed back on DeCopold and said he's heard two different numbers, which Megan, I think indicates that he's listening to both sides within his administration, the Vance side, the Lindsey Graham side, and is of mixed feeling himself. That's so good. I mean, good for President Trump for being cautious before we unleash the power of our military. And it's cautious to remove our troops.

troops from the bases in the region as well, because even if we don't have something planned that's imminent, you know, things are ratcheting up over there. And we do need to be extra cautious about our American lives that are in the region, which is what, of course, we care about the most. I will say, it's very interesting to try to figure out what the folks inside Iran exactly what they want. They don't seem to back the Ayatollah in this regime. But I did hear somebody pointing out, look, they have thousands on the streets right now protesting. when there was the overthrow of the Shah, they had millions. And so it's not exactly at scale from what it once was.

But if you look anywhere on social media, you can find, I mean, just dozens and dozens of Iranians who have managed to get a message out saying that they're so thankful to President Trump. They love President Trump. They want President Trump's help. Now, again, does that speak for the nation? Does that speak for what's actually going to happen in Iran if we do, quote, help? And there's the matter of zooming out to 30,000 feet and looking at U.S. foreign policy right now, right?

Because Trump definitely did not run on being an intervener in all these foreign countries. And that would make it like two foreign countries in two weeks time, Venezuela and Iran, and still some saber-rattling about Greenland, about Colombia. So, like, this is a lot for Cuba, right? Let's not forget to Cuba. this is a lot for the American people to like kind of handle as every day their newsfeed is filled with, you know, violent scenes out of Minneapolis right here in America. We've got our own problems to solve. Right. And, you know, I said this at the time back in June. I'm more than willing to be proven wrong about the risks of an operation in Iran on the nuclear strikes. I mean, I was, again, more than willing to be proven wrong. But I guess actually a better way to put it is that what I don't think was proven wrong is the risks of operations like this. are really high. I mean, that's partially why Trump triumphs it as such a success, is that the

risks it could go wrong are so high and so far that has not happened. And the same would apply to strikes, actually this time around in Iran, of course. And so you are risking potential quagmire level U.S. involvement in the Middle East. And Iran is not Venezuela. It's very scary. Like, genuinely, and you've been recently talking about this too, how you have sons, you have children who are of service age. And just thinking about that is, it's just such a glass of cold water doused all over you because it's chilling when you think back to what happened after Iraq and how eager so many of us were to exact retribution and how easily people took advantage of that in the Bush administration at the time. I went to, it was the midterms two years prior to Trump's election. So that, that

would have been 2022. And I was at my son's school. My son was too young to be in the class, but it was like the AP government class at the high school level. And I was talking to these guys, and they were kind of helping me around the midterms, just for fun. I thought it would be a good experience for them. And I got some help out of it, too. It was great. And it's an all-boys school. And so I'm dealing with a bunch of 17 and 18-year-old. And we stayed in touch as we geared up for that presidential debate that happened back in December of 2023. And those guys, those young guys were all like to a man against Nikki Haley in like those prime that sort of primary season and that presidential debate because they thought she's going to get us into a war

and we're the ones who are likely to have to fight that now everybody's worried about a draft without cause right like we don't there could be a draft but like right now we have an all volunteer military but you go to the worst place especially if you're of age of course or the mother of that age so I realize this is a remote possibility, like we're really getting ahead of ourselves. But I'm just telling you what was on the mind of these, like, to a man. Every 17 and 18 year old in that class was against Nikki Haley because they thought she was too bellicose on the subject of foreign interventions, too much of a neocon. And they resented her thinking, you know, she doesn't have to go,

but I might have to go or my buddies might have to go. And they all looked at Trump, who wasn't at that debate, but they all knew he was obviously in the race as the antidote to that. And yet here we are, you know, a couple years later, Emily, and like, I haven't checked in to see how Nikki Haley feels about any of this, but I'm going to go ahead and guess she'd be thrilled to see us intervene in Iran. Yes, I think that is a fair guess. And that's where we get into this territory of the risk calculus being that it's possible. possible. And Trump seems to be very convinced that the military, the combination of Hague's

Department of War and Trump's leadership is, you know, buzzing. It's running on all cylinders and is in a shape where he can do precision-type operations like what happened in Iran, like what happened in Venezuela. But that confidence, while in both of those cases, I mean, I think it's still pretty early to know how either of those shakes out, but at least for the short term, he was largely proven correct. The operations went off without hitches and were successful. Trump seems to really revel in moments like that, and understandably so. That confidence, what worries me is that confidence can get dangerous because you don't want to be in a position where you feel like because two successes have happened and arguably beat the odds that you're going to continue

beating the odds around the world. And Iran is a very, very, very complicated country. We don't even need to say that. Everybody knows it. It's a very complicated place. It's not in our hemisphere. Venezuela. It doesn't share some of the same cultural positions that the U.S. and Venezuela do, even though that's hard enough as it is. So this, I mean, the risk of another quagmire is even higher at this point. So it's very uncertain. And I think that's reflected in why Trump is getting mixed advice from his own cabinet. And by the way, thank God he is. Assuming that's true, thank God he is, because it would be much more of a disaster if you only had people sounding like Lindsey Graham in there.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, what we don't want to hear is, Mr. President, who's in charge of Iran? Answer, me. Like that, we really don't want to hear that. And, like, good luck with that, right? It's like, how do you, who takes over? If we take off the Ayatollah, who is going to take over? Here's a little bit more on that Reza Palavi, the son. He's the eldest son of the deposed Shah. This is from Sorabamari, who writes for Unheard. We used to work for a stint. And he's Iranian. He was born in Iran. And he writes the following. The problem is that Reza Pahlavi doesn't inspire much confidence. Some who have collaborated with him describe a spoiled daffine. That's French, I think. Intellectually, incurious and indolent. He has made a grave mistake in my estimation by appearing a little too eager to be parachuted onto the peacock throne by an Israeli Air Force F-35. In his initial statement on the intervention last June, he didn't express any concern for a empathy with, his compatriots inside. He merely called on them to rise up against the mullahs, a feat that became increasingly implausible as the bombings intensified and images proliferated of dust-covered fathers fleeing with bloodied infants in their arms. It makes sense to me. And here's just an update on the military machinations over there. The New York Times, reporting the Navy has three missile firing destroyers in the Middle East right now, including the Roosevelt, which in recent days has deemed into the red sea.

the Navy also has at least one missile firing submarine in the region. Pentagon officials say, though I believe our three aircraft carriers are elsewhere right now. Per Reuters at 10.30 a.m. today, two European officials said U.S. military intervention appeared likely with one saying it could come in the next 24 hours. And Israeli official also said it appeared Trump had taken a decision to intervene, though the scope and the timing had yet to be made clear. So I just don't know. Like in Venezuela, we took out the head of the regime, but the regime is still there. It's Maduro's vice president, who obviously were controlling by controlling all of the oil on the way she brings money into her country.

But she's still in place. So who, like, I don't, I'm honest, I don't know enough about Iran to know even, like, who'd be there. If we took out the Ayatollah and top mullahs, then what? What's the obvious next move? I don't know. I confess I haven't been studying Iran, like, at the level. I apparently. should have. Well, no, I mean, I agree just from covering it. It seems clear that even the experts have no idea what the next step would be in a regime change here other than the neoconservative faction who wants Pahlavi and is pushing him so, so hard. I mean, he looks... Why do they want him? I think they are confident they can control him. And that's where, I mean, it's a genuinely open question because when you mentioned the Roosevelt moving into the Red Sea, it's makes me grin

a little bit because it was Kermit Roosevelt, who was dispatched with the CIA. And the original regime change operation. And one of the things that just makes me so nervous, it's like we claim all of these victories throughout the Cold War and some of these proxy conflicts, whether it's Nicaragua or Guatemala or, you know, Chile, whatever it is. But Nicaragua right now has a literal Sandinista

currently as the president in Daniel Ortega. So in the long term, we are still dealing with the fallout from, if you talk to Iranians, the original regime change operation weighs very heavily on them and on their politics, even though we feel like it's something historical in the United States. We hardly ever think about it, but for them, it weighs very heavily. And so even if you have a regime change and you have someone that you feel like you can control, that's not a guarantee of any long-term success. It's not guaranteed a better outcome

for the people of Iran. It doesn't guarantee them any less blood being shed. So it's very, very delicate. And it does, I mean, the Pahlavi stuff is nerve-wracking, just watching it play out. because Steve Whitkoff, this was another Axios report from Barack Ravid, it was leaked that Steve Whitkoff, one of Trump's top advisors, met with Pahlavi recently, which is quite interestingly as well. It was quite interesting as well. But Trump kind of poo-pooed Pahlavi as like, his one comment on him was like, I don't know that he can do it. Like he seems to be aware or he declined to meet with him. And that was a good sign, I think, that he's not buying into that rhetoric.

I don't know. The other thing about, you know, about Iran is, of course, there, too, we've imposed crippling sanctions on them. And like Venezuela, we kind of have been hoping and pushing for this result to have the regime and its economics collapse. I mean, that's really what these protests are about. The money in Iran has collapsed and the economy has collapsed. and this was all by design.

I mean, we've been pushing for this. So I'm sure we've given a lot of thought and planning to exactly what should come next. And I don't think President Trump, like the one thing I do believe is President Trump is the last person who wants another forever war. Like I believe him when he said, I don't want that and I'm not going to do that. So I don't think he would do pinpoint strikes or anything that led to regime change if he didn't think we could get out of there relatively quickly. I just don't know because he hasn't said much about it. In Venezuela, he says he's in charge. So he's clearly okay with a long-term us, you know,

being in charge kind of thing. This is the Middle East for God's sake. So it's just such, I mean, talk about Quagmire. I don't know. I'm concerned. I do, I am very aware of the awfulness of this regime, however. They could not be worse. They abuse people.

They torture them. They are definitely shooting their citizens in the street for protesting. Now, there is the question of whether, how many, if any of those, have been armed and if so, by whom? But there's no question that they're as brutal as it gets. And just a couple of years ago, we saw another uprising because they murdered that young girl for not wearing the proper hijab. I mean, that's the regime we're dealing with over in Iran. These are not good guys. Their retort to that is there are a lot of terrible, terrible rulers out there in the world.

And it's really not the United States' job to go around cleaning up those problems. So this is another one of those situations where we have to really be set on what our foreign policy is. Like, who are we? What is our, you know, Tucker's talking points this time last week was, I guess we've decided to be an empire. And okay, at least we're saying it out loud, but that's dangerous too. Yeah, and in this case, I mean, the uncertainties, as we've just been discussing, there's just been a lack of humility. If you go back and read the reporting about the Iraq War and just what was happening behind the scenes with Dick Cheney and others, there was a total lack of humility about what would come next. And to your point, the question is, if what is there right now is bad, I think all of us agree that it is.

does what come, is what would come next worse. And you have to have some humility about your ability to predict what would come next. And that is just not something we've seen from the foreign policy establishment in the United States for a very, very long time. Now, of course, neither the Shah originally, the Shah was also brutal, but neither was most a day like the person that the United States wanted to do business with. And so you get into a situation where you have to say, this is worth the risk because the benefit will outweigh the cost. And if you don't clearly know what the benefit is going to be, because you don't know what comes and steps into a power vacuum, and you are overestimating potentially your ability to control it. I mean, the point you just made about Delci Rodriguez is clearly being controlled by Trump right now. True, but it's for now.

And who knows what comes next? were, you know, a week or two into this thing. So that, if we are taking seriously the claims of people like Elliot Abrams and Lindsay Graham who have supported these operations in the past and have been so confident about what would come next, well, I don't think it's obvious at all that what happened in Iraq after we stayed is better. And that's same with Afghanistan, same in many other conflicts. Saddam Hussein was a terrible, terrible man.

Right, exactly. Yeah, this is a great point. Right. Here's Yashar Ali, who I definitely trust on his Iran reporting. He's posting the following. Once again, I'm making no predictions, but so many of you need to be reminded that the Islamic Republic of Iran is not like the Hussein regime in Iraq, the Qaddafi regime, or the Assad regime in Syria.

It is not based on hereditary succession, nor is it based on one man or even several men. The Islamic Republic, which controls huge chunks of the Iranian economy, is a vast enterprise involving many people who have a vested interest in remaining. in power. While the supreme leader enjoys absolute power, authorities exercised through an entrenched system that was deliberately designed after the 1979 deposing of the Shah to survive leadership changes and internal crises. I keep seeing people saying, take the Ayatollah out or suggesting doing to Ayatollah Khamenei

what was done to Maduro. Kamenei is 86 years old. There are many, many, many men who are well protected and who hold enormous power standing behind him. This is a deeply institutionalized and resilient system of power. Again, I make no predictions, but many of your favorite commentators keep framing this as being about one man, and that simply is not true. And one follow-up post he made. The current governing doctrine of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Vela'ayat and Faki, forgive the pronunciation. I'm sure it's wrong. Which means guardianship of the Islamic jurist is in its final years.

I have little doubt about that. That said, I strongly suspect, and some other Iran watchers do as well, that what follows will likely be a system more closely resembling Pakistan's model, a state in which formal civilian institutions exist, but real power is concentrated in a powerful military intelligence deep state, a true deep state, not what people imagine here, rooted in the security services, intel apparatus and economic networks that operate largely outside public accountability. He says all of that would mean that coercive power would remain firmly entrenched within the state's military and intel institutions, preserving authoritarian control through different means. Again, underscoring that he's not making firm predictions. He says anyone who does, by the way, has no idea what they're talking about. Boy, that does a great job of explaining, like, you know, back when I was a kid in the 70s, Emily, they used to show this program, which you've probably heard of called Deal or No Deal. and you'd the guy would come out and there'd be three doors and you'd get a big prize he'd give you something to bargain with that you didn't have when you showed up and then he'd show you like you have door one two and three and maybe he'd open one door and it would be like a new bedroom set and you could keep the bedroom set plus the little prize you had in your pocket or you could go for what was behind door number two or door number three and sometimes it would be just a complete boob and other times it would be a new car and it would be totally and what I'm gleaning is we have no idea what's behind door number one, two, or three.

But so far, like, what I'm saying, neither one, neither option seems like the Lamborghini. Right. And the one thing, as your Sharpe puts it there, that just about everybody who's honest should agree on is that we do not know. We don't know. And anybody who is lacking the humility to admit that, I think you should be treating them with suspicion because they probably have been wrong in the past time and again. The only thing that we can know right now is that the situation is obviously deeply uncertain, and that should be frightening because we've gone into a whole lot of situations in the last 50 years, but even just the last 20 years, pretty confident that we had everything under control, and then everything ends up spiraling exactly out of control.

So it's tough because nobody wants to see what happens to the people of Iran. One of the points that Yashar made theirs. It's not just about one man. It's the same thing in a place like Cuba, or actually in a place like Venezuela. It's not just about Maduro. It's not just about Castro or who's in charge of Cuba right now or who's in charge of Iran right now. It's about the fact that they still have supporters also inside of the country. And even the people who don't support them don't necessarily still support the U.S. either. It's not as though you have people on the streets of Iran saying, turn us into Manhattan. Maybe some of them would love that. Maybe some people would like to get out of Iran and go to Manhattan. But that's not the sentiment that is animating these protests

universally. And to act like it is, again, anybody who's doing that should be treated with deep suspicion. Well, I think the problem for us in analyzing this as Americans is we have freedom in our blood. We really do. I mean, it's in our DNA. And so we're like, fuck yeah. Let's do it. They want to be free and we want to help them. We're the United States of America. Fucking A. Sorry. But I think that that's how most of us feel. in our hearts. And, you know, Glenn, our mutual friend, Glenn Greenwald, was making the point because, you know, he's very, very skeptical of all of these foreign interventions. And he was making the point that, you know, he was a little sharper on it. But basically, if you believe that the reason

we're intervening in places like Venezuela or Iran is because our government is just pro-democracy and just really wants to help these people who want democracy in Iran, he's got a bridge to sell you. You know, it's about, for example, the oil in a place like Venezuela and possibly in Iran, too, or about backing a strong ally, Israel, in some places in the Middle East. So, you know, his urging is to always consider the alternate agenda that the government is not laying on the line with us while it tries to, like, tap our serotonin by wrapping itself in the flag and being like, America, our military, go, because I think we're all very susceptible to that. You know, it's only now, truly, as I've said,

after the Venezuela thing in my career, that I've finally been through enough of these that I'm like, eh, let's slow our role. I don't want that serotonin receptor tapped. I want to analyze this much more soberly taking into account what the risks are,

the way I'm sure President Trump is doing. Yes, this is why we keep our calming friends like Glenn around. Sometimes we have to take him out of taking seriously. But you also have to listen to Mark Tieson of AEI, who I love and adore and made a star on Fox News, who's on totally the other side. Yeah, and I think there are some people who are frustrated that others are listening to both. Like maybe that people like you and I are listening to both and taking this seriously. And I think part of the reason is that there's less control.

Like the gatekeepers obviously have so much less control. You were talking about Fox News last week. And it is sort of remarkable to now have the contrast between new media and old media as it's happening. because you just get the split screen. And the good news about new independent media is that there is this kind of cacophony of different opinions and people who, you know, if you respect your audience,

you know they're smart enough. They're just as smart, if not smarter, than most of us, they can make up their minds about what's happening on their own if you present all of the different viewpoints fairly. And I think one of the things happening right now is that people are just so able to see through the propaganda and the spin. That said, well-intentioned people are still swayed by propaganda and spin

because there are spin doctors within the foreign policy establishment who are experts at this, and also in other like foreign countries that are trying to exploit the American people and pray on the American people and exploit the goodwill towards freedom and democracy that Americans genuinely have. And so you see, though, more easily the machinations of that now. And I kind of think that's what's making a difference. And that's why we've seen Trump himself. Again, he pushed back on DeCopold's thousands and thousands number last night, which was very interesting on CBS and has kind of dismissed Polavi. So there's interesting, interesting stuff happening right now. It's good. It's good. He's got the other side in his ear. And I do believe President Trump will make

a judicious decision. I don't think he's a hothead when it comes to this. I mean, he really, really takes pride in ending these wars. And it's not all about the Nobel Peace. Prize. Yes, he's Trump, so he wants the Nobel Peace Prize. Okay, like, we all know that's part of his character makeup. But I think he genuinely abhors war and the random killing of people and the unnecessary taking of lives. And I don't think he's going to do that in Iran or elsewhere if he doesn't think it really endures to the benefit of the United States. I genuinely believe that. But I would love an explanation. You know, I really, I hope it's better and more fulsome than we got after Venezuela, which really just, he never really fully explained it.

It was like, the explanation kept changing. You know, first it was like the democracy thing. And then it was like the oil, which he was kind of explicit about. And it kind of kept moving. Then it was they tried to sell it as like a legal operation, which was really just the hook they used to be able to do it without congressional approval. Anyway, this is too scary to do without like a full explanation of what our plan is, what our objectives are, why we're going to do.

this, you know, because again, none of this was run on. You know, President Trump did not run on intervening in a Middle Eastern country like Iran. And, you know, there's going to be a lot of hesitancy about that one. Here, this just in from the New York Post, Iran issued a sickening threat against President Trump Wednesday, broadcasting a picture of the commander in chief during the 2024 Butler rally assassination attempt with the words, this time it will not miss the target. The ominous warning was aired on Iranian state-run TV. It marks Tehran's most direct threat yet against Trump following his repeated threats that the U.S. will strike the country if it continues its brutal crackdown on anti-government protesters. Do they have a death wish? Like,

why would they do that? My first thought is like, did they actually do that? Because that seems like the dumbest, most, you're not allowed to use the word retarded, but that's the word that comes to mind thing that you could possibly do in the position that Iran is in. What are your thoughts on that? Well, similar to yours and that everyone now remembers there were reports that Iran around the time of the attempted assassination in Butler had also had a foiled assassination plot against Donald Trump. So if that's coming from Iran, directly from government controlled entities in Iran right now, I actually think that raises. It was reported by a Jean's France press, AFP.

So it sounds like French media is reporting that it did air on Iranian state run TV. I mean, that could be a throwaway line or that could be genuinely worth digging into because of the proximity between that, those two foiled assassination attempts. Well, the Butler one wasn't exactly foiled. I don't want to be giving American intel or security too much credit there. But that's actually interesting, just as I'm hearing it. But if they really are pushing that, like you said, and they want to stay in power, boy, they're putting, of course, their own people in more danger, as we know. And not that that's particularly a red line for them, but they're putting their own people in more danger.

They're putting themselves in more danger because, Megan, to your point, Trump does not like looking weak. And I think even people who despise Donald Trump should think about how he's approaching this. Because one of the things he studied closely since the very beginning is how the Iraq War and the Afghanistan war went wrong for the Bush administration, for the Obama administration. He put himself on the other side of that. And he does not want his legacy to be tainted by forever wars, especially after campaigning against them. So he's not going to want a long entanglement by any means. And so that, I think, opens up another, like, this is, Trump does not want to look like he's being taunted by the regime in Iran and then has absolutely no response.

So hopefully. Remember the report before it broke after Venezuela, but there was a report that, and then Trump actually himself commented on it that, that he was very annoyed by Nicholas Maduro's dancing. like kind of making fun of Trump and kind of like daring him to come get me. And then, you know, next thing, you know, we did in this crazy military operation that had all sorts of tools, according to what I read on the interwebs,

that people didn't know we had, speaking of kinetic operations that don't necessarily involve a bomb. And Nicholas Maduro is now sitting behind bars in New York City. So Trump can be taunted into doing something. that he otherwise kind of wants to do anyway. I don't think like they could get him like,

you can't taunt him into like bombing London. But, you know, these terrible leaders who deserve to go and like he's on the fence, they should keep their, their damn mouths shut as, as Will Smith. So, so beautifully put it. Keep our damn name out your damn mouth or how he said it. Keep our president's name out of your damn mouth. Out your damn mouth. Okay, we let's keep going. While we wait to find out whether we're in another war, let's move on to Minneapolis because the developments in Iran are paused for now. We don't have news coming in. Minneapolis, however, I do have a news headline for you today. Listen to this one. Stand by. Let me get back past my, my, oh no, it's, I think it's right here. Oh yeah, here it is. Guess who hired a lawyer? Renee Goods partner. Oh, and by the way, Julie Kelly reporting that they're not married, that this was just her partner, her lover.

And that they've now, she and the immediate family have hired the same lawyer who represented the George Floyd family. And that it's a Chicago-based law firm Romanucci and Blandon, never heard of him, and I practiced law in Chicago for a while. Their statement is, what happened to Renee is wrong, contrary to establish policing practices and procedures, and should never happen in today's America. It said Renee Goods family wants to honor her life with progress toward a kinder and more civil America.

They do not want her use as a political pawn, but rather as an agent of peace for all. Well, that's not why you hire this civil rights firm. You hire them to sue and get what the family of George Floyd says. George Floyd got, which was a $27 million settlement. That's why you hire them. So what's happening now is they're lawyering up and they're clearly going to sue the feds and maybe the state. I don't know. They'll find some ways and try to get some big payday for the lover who should be under arrest. She should be in handcuffs. And then there was news today that some six attorneys, I believe they're U.S. attorneys, federal attorneys, have quit in the state of Minnesota because they're angry that we're not going after the officer.

And we are apparently ordering an investigation into the group that is training Renee Good and her lover and others on how to interfere with ICE operations. So these virtuous federal prosecutors decided to quit in a fit because they're mad. They don't want to look into Renee, or look into the ICE agent who in self-defense shot her while she was trying to run him over. So that's where we are today. Your thoughts on how that's going to play out. Are the remaining career bureaucrats across the administrative state just waiting for moments like this where they can dramatically quit? and leak it to the media? Like, is that why they're still there?

Because I can't imagine why somebody who would quit over this was still at the Department of Justice after everything that's transpired in the last year. Like, it's deeply weird to me that they were even still in that position. And I genuinely wonder if some of them stay for the opportunity to pull off a stunt like this one. And, you know, the thing that makes me so sad is that now that we're about a week into,

to this, does anybody feel safer? Does anybody feel like the country that either protesters or ICE officers or American citizens who have literal convicted criminals in their cities because of the Biden administration and because of the sanctuary laws from their mayors and their Democratic governors? Like, do they think that has anyone gotten safer in the last week? Absolutely not. So it's just like, it's such a mess. And it's one of those stories that it feels like it's just makes me depressed about the state of everything, basically. Yeah. It's also breaking now that the ICE agent who fatally shot Renee Good has, he suffered internal

bleeding to the torso following the incident. According to two U.S. officials briefed on his medical condition. This is a CBS News report. That would make sense because when you get hit by a car, bad things can happen to you inside your body and out. And it just, I was reliably told by Mayor Jacob Fry that he skipped, he skipped away. way from the incident and was totally fine. I mean, be careful what you say out there, Mayor Frye, because you don't know. You really don't know what's actually happened. I think it just played

well for his narrative to say that kind of thing without actually checking to find out this officer's been through a lot since last June when he got dragged, 33 stitches back out on the streets. Then this incident, he's under extreme emotional duress right now. According to Tom Holman, who's spoken with him, who said he just feels awful and he's scared too because They're threatening him. They're threatening his life. And these loons are everywhere, Emily. I mean, the loon watch is really, I don't even know where to begin.

There's so many crazy things. But why don't we start with the crazy violent ones? Okay, here's, let's just go through a few of them. We can do SOT three and four, one right after the other. Every single life is valuable. I mean, I guess except for, for ICE, like kill ICE agents. But, and Denver Police Department. But aside from that, we have to humanize each other.

We have to care for each other. That woman was a mother. She was a legal observer. Fuck everything that's going on. We have to turn shit upside down. See, I've been fully activated. I'm going to head back east. We need to go to D.C.

Shit needs to get done. Here's the thing that I need for protesters and everyone to start realizing. Okay? We're at war. The protests are over. There's no more protesting. This is combat now. So when I come on to the field, I'm not screaming at people that are going to assault me or pepper spray me.

Like, no, this is combat. I'm going to engage them in combat because we have shit that needs to be done. This is how we get shit done. Cool. And I need for you to get shields and swords. Of the people's kind. Like, I need for you to wake the fuck. fuck up. We're at war. It's war time. It's time to go to war. You know how your military father or your

military friends were always telling you freedom isn't free? Like, you're about to find out. Like, you're about to get it. Is it like middle ages wartime? Is it braveheart? Because the sword seems dramatic, Emily. You know, and not particularly effective, not only dramatic, but not particularly effective when you have armed. He's got a cloak on. He's ready. Armour. Yes.

It's ridiculous. I'm sorry. The whole time I watch these videos, I go between two questions. My first instinct is genuinely to laugh at them because they sound so absurd. And 99% of them are from women who are just like, yeah, I'm going to the rage. And then you see the same women, like, get pulled over like, please don't arrest me, please don't arrest me. Like, oh, wait, what happened to your bravado?

But then I have the other side, which is like, they are lunatics. They killed Charlie. They killed Luigi Mangione. Sorry, he's the killer. They killed Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Health Care. They laughed at Charlie's death. Like, these are violent lunatics over on the far left. And so I don't want to laugh all the way into watching another innocent get killed,

like an innocent conservative or an ICE agent or somebody. just trying to do their job. So do we take these people seriously or do we just enjoy mocking them or both? Well, I mean, nor should the left, by the way, completely ignore this either because I actually think the Dallas incident that everybody just completely forgets about, but that happened, what was that, October, where there was a shooting at an ICE detention facility and who ended up getting hurt? Migrants. Person was ostensibly trying to hit ice and ended up hitting. migrants because what's happening is just the fermentation of chaos and violence when you if you're taking people like that seriously. And there are some people doing training for like ice watchers

and whatever who are saying you have to comply. The point of civil disobedience is that you get arrested. So comply and get arrested or whatever. But if you start fomenting this type of danger and violence, it doesn't, it's not going to stop Donald Trump from enforcing a deportation strategy. Like that's that is not going to stop. And by the way, the other thing that I think about when I listen to those people, and I've been saying this as some of my friends on the left, which is, because I agree with them, and I think you and I disagree with us, Megan, on like masks and that sort of thing. But yeah, I, like, it just drives me insane that they're the saying, peace for, you know, those girls who were in Denver talking about, you know, we have to just treat people with humanity

and whatever. It's like, what about someone like Lake and Riley or Jocelyn and Gray who, who, how about the humanity of people who have been victimized by the convicted criminals, the convicted criminals who entered our country and are being protected in our country by sanctuary laws, there are people who are, like, they have actual victims, and their victims are U.S. citizens. And so to act like ICE needs to be stopped at every single point, literally that is not making anybody safer whatsoever. You have to support some level of deportation. and honestly, the left right now supports. They don't.

They say they do, but I want to know what they actually think should happen that is feasible, and they don't have an answer for that. Here's one example of one of the tough talkers out there, ice watchers, when she actually gets pulled over by an ice agent and it devolves to, I'm just a mom. It's not 10. Fuck you, she says. With the federal investigation, we have your own camera.

We actually have news reported with us a vehicle. Your case will be referred over to homeless. investigation for prosecution. Please. You got it? Please. I'm just a known. Please.

I'm just going. Yes, please. You are just, you turn around and get out of here. I'm getting out of here. I'm getting out of here. There you go. Slow down. Yes, yes, yes.

It's unbelievable, right? But in it totally believable. Totally believable. Totally believable. And again, like, people are just being hyped up in this position where they think it's heroic and They're, you know, they're standing in front of the tank and Tiananmen Square, and they totally fold. And so it's just people aren't thinking this through. And I think that's part of the reason this is making me nervous as well about what could come in the future.

Because whipping people up into a frenzy, I worry that we end up seeing more of the Dallas situations, which, by the way, totally fell out of the news. Yeah. And not just that, you know, the one thing I've learned from security professionals in my own life, is usually the person who's going to actually take a shot at you doesn't write a threat, doesn't go on Instagram and say, I'm going to do this, you know, i.e. Tyler Robinson, it's the ones who don't do that they have to worry about. But when the explicit threats rise, the threats behind the scene are probably rising too. So, like, that's what I worry about, the ones who aren't posting and what they're planning against our ICE agents and others.

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I knew this is where you were going. I'm saying this is a lesbian's idea of what women want. Like, he's sweet, he's soft. Like, this is what this is going to sell. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We want someone with balls with a spine, someone who will protect us. somebody who, like, when the burglar comes, will be the first out the door. They won't be hiding behind us.

Like, as we call it in my family, first defender. Whenever Doug and I go on the road, whether it's like a hotel or like a rental, he knows he has to be first defender. And he's perfectly fine in that role. Like, Tony, Topra, Dokapool is not first defender. It's very clear. And already it's failing. I'll give you the numbers in a second.

But first, I just want to play you a soundbite of him trying to do the news the other night. I'm looking for it on my SOT shift. This is this the Miami one? Yeah. Oh, it's SOT one. Okay, yeah. Listen to this, SOT one. This is his Tuesday night sign off. We are not even two weeks now into the new year, and it

feels like a decade has passed. The U.S. captured Venezuela's former president, Nicholas Maduro. Reports are that as many as 12,000 protesters have been killed by Iran's government as Trump weighs intervention. Anti-ice protesters have taken to the streets of Minneapolis after the shooting death of Renee Nicole

good. And tonight, we walked into not one but two exclusive newsmaking conversations, the CEO of General Motors on the future of American-made cars and the president of the United States, Donald J. Trump, on the questions that matter most. You may not agree with everything you hear on this broadcast, but we trust you to listen and we trust you to decide for yourself. Oh, my God, the patronization. He's giving Stewart's smiley vibes. We're good enough. We're smart enough and gosh darn it. People like us. I cannot get over how he continues to patronize the audience.

Like, oh, you know what? You may not agree with us on everything, but that's okay. You don't have to. We're going to make sure you have the, just fucking deliver the news. You have 19 minutes of content. Get up and down on the news and stop trying to handhold your audience like there are a bunch of babies who need you to stroke them through every update. And the summary at the end of all the big stories that he's handling,

we walked right into, okay, he got a stand-up passing interview with Donald Trump, which literally everybody in news gets every day who is on Air Force One. He's trying to spin it as some big get. And this, Emily, is why the ratings are down since he took over. Year over year, they are down 23% from the same time last year in both the overall number and in the key average. demo of 25 to 50 or 4-year-olds. So they have lost one quarter of their audience since launching

with Topra. And he's also down from the debut of the previous hosts, John Dickerson and Maurice Dubois, who averaged much higher numbers than he did. So it's not going well over at CBS. And if they were smart, they would listen to yours truly and other critics about the many, many things they're doing wrong. But I'm kind of also not rooting for them to listen because it's fun to watch. It's getting increasingly fun to watch now. Also, in addition to those numbers, so NBC and ABC were also down year over year, but by 9%. CBS is down 23%, as you just mentioned. So when your competitors, you're putting all of this money into a splashy advertising debut and campaign, and you're actually down double digits more than your competitors year over year.

I mean, we all know the medium of nightly news is dying. And what we're seeing at CBS is not a digital first pivot. And I mean, the kind of grand theory of why this is failing is that everybody wants their news to be delivered with authenticity, transparency. They kind of want to know where people are coming from when they give them the news to treat them like adults and say, you're smart enough to figure this out on your own. I don't need to handhold you. I don't need to remind you of every story that was covered in the last week. Like, what the hell was he doing there?

They're trying to like add, they're trying to punctuate their coverage with this profundity, with their like musings from Manhattan or from their newsroom on what's happening. I don't care that they were out on the road. That doesn't really make much of a difference. They're all from, they all live in the same, you know, 10 square miles and make roughly the same amount of money and they're telling the American people, things are really tense right now. Yes, that's why we're watching your show so that you use your breath telling us actually what's happening. It's off, Emily. He thinks he's in podcast landia. It's different. You know, I was very

different doing the Kelly File than I am doing this show and certainly doing an evening news show. The attempt to oprify us is very off. It does not work. And it, hell no, will not work. on CBS, which is where like the most serious somber news consumers go for their news. They do not want Topra. He's got a man up and stop doing this. I'm sorry, but Barry has zero television experience. Zero. It's called broadcast news for a reason. The broadcast piece of it matters, and she doesn't know what she's doing. It shows. The New York Times just did an in-depth peace on her that reports her mission is, and I quote, we need to be the news. That's her new mandate over at CBS.

That's every reporter's worst nightmare. That now it makes sense why Topra is tweeting out pictures of himself or videos, crying uncontrollably over the fact that he didn't get to grow up in Miami. He wanted to be the news. That's every reporter's worst nightmare for you to turn into the news story. The news is the news. Be respectful of the audience at home and stop with the damn navel gazing. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me is sad about Miami.

Me is exhausted from all the news I've had to deliver. Me will hold your hand and get you through this news by telling you what the facts are. Me understands you can hear both sides. Stop. It's nonstop opinion. And it's egocentric. But it's not even. interesting opinion. I mean, I think that's where they're going, like, dramatically wrong, is that

nobody believes that Tony DeCopold is just this guy who has the voice of God and can tell you what's important and what's not, and just it's not infected by his own personal biases or anything like that. He's pretending, though, that's the problem. And this is what all the other networks do wrong, too, is that they're pretending that they still are able to just call balls and strikes from a neutral perspective and that they're not bringing all their own worldviews and baggage to the situation. So it's not like it's an easy transition to make, but I think the best example, I always use this example, is like, how is Stephen Colbert? How was he during Trump's first administration, the most successful guy in late night news, despite being the late night comedy, despite being the most partisan by far, the most alienating, the most partisan, the least funny, again, by far. It's the opposite of what Johnny Carson did, because Johnny Carson was political, just not partisan.

You didn't know where he came down, but he didn't shy away from politics. And the answer is that in order to be successful when you're so, you know, you're trying to get 3 million instead of 12 million people to watch is you have to like you have to find a niche audience. And the niche audience is not mushy middle bullshit that's lying to viewers and pretending that it's not coming from a perspective. And that's dead. But they're trying to do both of those things. And you're trying to do new media with this old media veneer. It's not going to work. Yeah, no, it won't.

It definitely won't. It cannot happen. I mean, what people want in this lane over here is authenticity. And what they want over there is just hard news done in 19 minutes and goodbye. They don't care about you the anchor. They really don't. You need to be as small a factor in the news delivery as humanly possible. He's just doing it wrong for evening news, especially on CBS. And this is apparently at the direction of his boss who says we need to be the news. And according to the New York Times, the quote that she also said was, let's make sure every single night has something with. viral potential. All I could think of was the girl in Jumanji, who's like, oh my God, it's insane that we're not filming this. Like what that you want to go via? Just do the news. The news is the star, which she doesn't understand because she's not been in news very long. And she's had zero experience in broadcast news. And he's going along with it. They report that she has been deeply frustrated by the negative reaction to her decisions and has blamed subordinates for not staunching the criticism. That's not going to go well either. The buck stops with you as the network

executive. And if you make yourself the news, be prepared to be deeply frustrated with how you are covered. Because what you'll soon find out is that nobody, nobody who writes about the news is rooting for you. They're just not. That's the way news is. We're all hardest on one another. It's sad, but it's true. And look, she put herself out there and decided to make herself the headlines. This is what comes with that. Okay, let's keep going because there's a very very, interesting update in the Timothy Busfield, Melissa Gilbert situation. So he's a famed actor and director, and she's famous from her time on Little House on the Prairie and went on to do some directing too. And he's been on the lamb. He was an a warrant for his arrest was issued on

Friday out of New Mexico for allegedly molesting two seven-year-old boys. We went through it in detail in our Monday show. So that was issued on Friday. He didn't turn himself in. Saturday, he didn't turn himself in. Sunday he didn't turn himself in. Monday he didn't turn himself in. All day yesterday he didn't turn himself in. I mean, it's crazy. And it was to the point where a team of agents, do we have that video, you guys, went to his house in upstate New York that he shares with Melissa Gilbert with a battering ram and the Daily Mail. This is the guy for the listening audience, battering open his front door. There are numerous agents on site, numerous trucks on site. They've got the flack helmets on. They've got the long guns. They broke open the door of his home going in

looking for him. So shit's getting real. They started to take it very seriously now. They were not sitting around waiting for Timothy Busfield to go in on child molestation charges. And apparently an hour prior to that, he did finally show up in New Mexico and turned himself in day five after the arrest warrant was issued and then issued this on-camera video. Watch this. Hi, everybody. It's Tim.

I'm sure most of you know that are watching this that I was ordered to come to Albuquerque. I'm here now. I got the call Friday night. I had to get a lawyer. Saturday I got in a car and drove 2,000 miles to Albuquerque. I'm going to confront these lies.

They're horrible. They're all lies. And I did not do anything to those little boys. And I'm going to fight it. I'm going to fight it with a great team. And I'm going to be exonerated. I know I am because this is all so wrong and all lies. So hang in there.

And hopefully I'm out real soon and back to work. And I love everybody for supporting me. Thank you. Okay. No explanation other than I had to drive, miles to Albuquerque. No, you call, you call and you say I'm ready to surrender myself. Where would you like me to do it? Clearly, they did not know where he was or what he was doing, or we would not have seen a battering ram being used on his upstate New York property within an hour of him

turning himself in in New Mexico. He clearly had not been in communication with anybody. We don't know where he was, what he was doing. You do not need to drive 2,000 miles to Albuquerque. There are these magical things called planes, and they'll get you right there when a warrant is out for your arrest. Had to get a lawyer. The things he was listing to me did not sound like real reasons to delay by five days. You're turning yourself in. Something's up here. And if you look at the comments where this video is posted, they're very overwhelmingly negative. People do not believe him. And I'll tell you why they don't believe him, Emily. It's because we all have a natural lie detector in our guts. And whether you know it or not, you have a lifetime of experience that feeds it and fuels that lie detector.

And it's little subtle things that your brain knows that you might not even be conscious of that it's perceiving that are telling you, I don't believe him. And we reached out to our own friend, the human lie detector, Phil Houston. 25 years at the CIA, he invented the deception detection method being used at the CIA, at the FBI, and at law enforcement departments, all. all over the United States, the Secret Service. You keep going. Phil Houston is the one who came up with it. He is a human lie detector. He knows all the signs of lying. And he spent half of that time in the CIA figuring out bad guys who we believed were assets of ours, who in fact had wound up working for a foreign adversary. And the other half figuring out at CIA HQ, who of our agents had turned on us and was a double agent. I mean, this guy was placed in the most serious

positions you could be to figure out who's lying. So he's a true expert. He wrote the books by the lie. You should read it. So he's running a firm now called Q Verity. And he has created an AI lie detector that goes by the letter Q. They've given him the gender he. But Q, and I've talked to him many times about Q, and Q has a 97% accuracy rate of determining whether someone is being deceptive. And if you're being deceptive, he gives you the conclusion of deceptive behavior indicated. He doesn't say lie. He says deceptive behavior indicated. And I'm going to read you the Q analysis of Timothy Busfield's statement provided to us by Phil Houston and Q Verity. The speaker repeatedly offers irrelevant background and assurances, greeting the audience,

describing his travel to Albuquerque, mentioning he hired a lawyer, vowing to confront and fight the allegations, calling them lies and thanking supporters, none of which directly address the specific charge of molesting children. These off-topic details function as avoidance tactics, diverting attention from the core question. Only after this extended narrative, does he briefly deny the accusation, quote, I did not do anything to those little boys, end quote. A minimal response following extensive digression that is characteristic of a deceptive approach to the allegations. Conclusion, deceptive behavior indicated. And then Phil added the following. In our opinion, this is a great example of a situation where a lot of people will believe his remarks because of the aggressive delivery approach and his attack behavior toward the opposition.

In reality, it's the type of response we often see from people who have committed serious wrongdoing. For the record, he denies the charges and plans to deny and defend them in court. This is from somebody I trust implicitly when it comes to these analyses. Take it with a grain of salt. It's obviously not foolproof. It could be wrong, 3% of the time, but very interesting, no? Well, it's very interesting. You brought that up because my reaction to watching the video was, I do not believe him,

and something is off. Something was weird about the video. And so then to have Phil come in and with the AI tool produce that explanation, which is helpful for being so specific and pointing to exactly what I was trying to think of what felt off to me about the video. And it was exactly that. It was he was bringing in all of this different stuff. I wouldn't have necessarily jumped to, oh, that's a sign of deception.

But when you think about it, Phil's explanation makes a lot of sense. It's like this attempt to be aggressive. But we already know from what you just pointed out, he's evading. He's not telling the whole truth or even the truth at all. When he talks about getting in his car and going to New Mexico, just logically, that sets your lie radar off. But then also, you can see him saying it with such, he's a time to be so calm and cool and collected about it. But you know it just doesn't make any sense. So I agreed before I saw that result from the AI that something felt weird and off about that video.

It's starting to look like he's in very big trouble. And Megan, your coverage of this has been huge. It's like other people are staying away for the story for some reason, but it's a big one. It's, I mean, it gets to the heart of what many of us have believed about Hollywood for a long time, which is that there are a disgusting number of pedophiles running around hurting children and that you have an industry that looks the other way. I mean, the police affidavit squarely points at Warner Brothers saying their behavior has been to delay, to obstruct, to not assist in the police investigation about whether this happened. Why would they do that? There was a court order that they produced documentation. They had done an internal investigation to the cops. They stalled for three months. The cop pointing out there were other children on sets within the Warner Brothers lots while this is going on. And one of the allegations was that the reason this was able to happen allegedly was that the woman responsible for keeping an eye on the minors while on set was busy talking to others and milling about the set and did not have eyes on these boys at all times and that he as the director was able to go. on set where there were beds at times and fondle the boys when nobody else was looking.

This is after they had cut tape. He was the director. So he controlled when the tape was rolling and when it wasn't. And he controlled where people were on the set too. When he dismissed people from the set, they would leave. And he would understand, you know, I want to go talk to the boys. Give me a minute and go in there. And without that woman there watching them, he would have known he had an opportunity to do something to the children. And so these are the allegations as, laid out by the police affidavit. Again, he denies them. But that's part of why it's such a compelling story, which is, you know, we've heard from Corey Feldman. We heard what happened at Nickelodeon. This is not the first and only story we've heard along these lines. And it's a disgusting industry.

Let's face it, we all have seen enough evidence to know that. When you brought up the Nickelodeon allegations and actually revelations last week, I was thinking more about that because this has so many eerie similarities. And it's not eerie. I mean, it's actually quite logical that something like this would have transpired in a similar fashion because what we've learned from a lot of the allegations and revelations that have come out of Nickelodeon in the 90s when I was watching it in early 2000s, is that this was systematic. There were all of these like lacking safeguards. You go back and you listen to the stories of these kids and you just, Corey Feldman being another good example, cannot. I mean, it's astounding, astounding how low supervision and how much trust was granted to people who abused it and then abused children by

abusing the trust. But that's why this story, I think, is so important because you can see in it the hallmarks of how this has happened systematically in Hollywood for decades and is still happening right now. With the studio itself appearing to run cover for the accused instead of for the alleged victims. I do want to say that Warner Brothers is itself denies that. They say they responded in a timely manner, that they've been very cooperative and that they do everything to protect the children on their set. And again, Timothy Busfield denies this. He says that it's a money grab. He says that the lead actress of the show heard an admission from the mother when the two boys got fired that she was going to exact revenge

on Timothy Busfield. So we'll see. That woman, that actress refused to speak to the cops, seems like something she would have done if she had that kind of exonerating information. But, okay, that's going to be his defense, and we'll see. I'm not closing the book on Timothy Bustfield's guilt or innocence. I'm saying this all stinks. Right now, I have plenty of reason to doubt him. And I just having read the Phil Houston and the Q analysis, again, just a reminder, he said, the speaker repeatedly offers a relevant background and assurances and goes through them, none of which directly addresses the specific charge of molesting children. These off-topic details function as avoidance tactics, diverting attention from the core question. Only after this extended narrative does he briefly deny the accusation, a minimal. response following extensive digression. Let's watch it one more time, having heard the analysis from Q. Watch. Hi, everybody. It's Tim. I'm sure most of you know that are watching this, that I was ordered to come to Albuquerque. I'm here now. I got the call Friday night. I had to get a lawyer. Saturday I got in a car. We drove 2,000 miles to Albuquerque. I'm going to confront these lies. They're horrible. They're all lies.

and I did not do anything to those little boys. And I'm going to fight it. I'm going to fight it with a great team. And I'm going to be exonerated. I know I am because this is all so wrong and all lies. So hang in there. And hopefully I'm out real soon and back to work. And I love everybody for supporting me.

Thank you. So interesting, right? Having heard the analysis. It's extremely interesting. And the other thing that I noticed just listening to that is how he's, the words aren't coming easily for him. And that to be, I just take that as somebody who's trying to speak casually, calmly and look like they're off the cuff. Also having internal reservations and hesitations about what should come out of their mouth next or what should not come out of their mouth next. Like he's thinking hard and trying to look like he's not.

always says, Emily, he always says that a truth teller runs toward the truth. If the truth is your ally, you run toward it. So if you were accused of this horrible thing, a truth teller might sound like this. I did not lay a finger on those boys. I did not tickle their legs. I did not tickle their stomachs. And I certainly never touched their bottoms or their genitalia. These are lies and we will prove they are lies. For now, I'm going to go deal with it in the criminal justice system. You'd go right to the darkest allegations. You would not shy away from them. I did not do that, that, or that.

There will never be any proof that I did that because I didn't. You know, it's like, I'll just give you one silly example. But back when I was first starting my career at Fox, I was like a first year reporter, I think. And some disgusting website printed a report that I was allegedly sleeping with Brit Hume. My boss. And his wife was my boss. She was the DC Bureau head chief.

and I was horrified. You know, I mean, like, I've never seen Britt personally in any capacity. Well, we've never had dinner together. Nothing like I saw him at the office. That was it. Just like everybody else. And I was young and I was just starting out. So it really was undermining, you know, and I was angry about the report.

And Britt made me feel better because he came by and he was like, oh, you have to blow that off. You know, I was new. I didn't realize how disgusting the industry is back then. And he's like, you got to blow that off. And I was like, well, what do you mean? And he was like, Megan, he's like, We didn't have an affair. There will never be any proof that we had an affair.

There will never be a picture. There will never be a witness. There will never be an email. There will never be a text. There will never be anything. And so this story will go away because it's false. Like it's not going to linger because there's nothing to it. And that's always stuck with me.

And so like if you were wrongly accused, I think you'd sound like that. I didn't do it. There will never be a picture that I did it. There will never be a witness that I did it. There will never be any extraneous proof other than the word of these two kids. whose mother is trying to extort me that I did do it. I didn't touch them. I've never touched a child like that and never would, period.

Right? Like you get up and down and up, but you don't run from the core allegation. What Q is saying here, a minimal response when he briefly denies the accusation. That matters. That's because he's uncomfortable when he's there. And the reason he's uncomfortable in Q's opinion is not because it's a disgusting topic. It's because the truth is not his ally.

Right, and he was building up to it as well, which made me think, again, he was really trying to stage this denial and was cautious internally about it. And I just think like when you're a kid and your parent asks you, did you do this bad thing? The way that you respond, if you're lying, speaking from no experience, of course, I never lied to my parents as a child, but you are building up to it. And you're like, well, listen, what you need to know is all the kids on the playground have been acting whole. horribly, horribly. I would never do anything to them, but like they are bad, bad. And so you kind of are building to buy yourself time as you find the right words. And then you're like, it took me a good hour to get to the playground. I had to go the long way. It was full of traffic. Right. I got stopped by a teacher. There was a long talk there. You know, there's a lot I had to do.

But then when I finally got there, others were behaving badly. But I wasn't. I wasn't. And anyway, so it's like, all right, I don't want to condemn him. before he's had his chance to defend himself. But it is very interesting, I think, how your gut tells you something when you watch something like that. And then when you hear a professional analysis of what your gut is picking up on already, you just don't know the words to describe what you're feeling. It's like it's bull's eye, you know, it makes you feel better.

Anyway, Timothy Busfield will have his day in court. He says this is a money grab and that the mother's just pissed that the boys were fired from the show. Okay, Emily, thank you so much a pleasure. As always, coming up next, our Gen Z culture and politics panel, so much to get to. Stand by. You've watched the GLP One Craze Explode. Friends, celebrities, everyone's talking about it.

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approach anxiety. Oh, no. Joining me now to discuss that and more, Isabel Brown. She's host of the Isabel Brown Show on the Daily Wire and Haley Carinea, host of Nightly Scroll at Silverlock. Ladies, welcome to the show. Thanks for having us. Oh, it's great. We have a lot to get there. All right. So let me start here. I'm going to get to the Gen Z men, which I'm sure you're well aware of without me telling you. Here, back on the Minnesota and the protests topic, here is a woman named Lizzie. And she saw an opportunity in these protests, ladies, an opportunity as follows. Watch SOT 19. Here we are at my official dating profile request. I am 42. Actually, I'm almost 42. I am a relationship anarchist. I am on the lookout for somebody who right now,

I'd be able to call and say, hey, get in the passenger seat, and let's go fuck some shit up. If you're interested in fucking some shit up, if you're not afraid of a woman who can speak her mind, if you're interested in sitting in a side seat, message me. We got shit to do. She blew a kiss. It started off so well, and she's like, we're going to go, F, okay, a lot of guys would be into that, and then it turned into something else, and just here's the epilogue. Lizzie did go out.

It didn't go very well. Here's Thought 20. I don't know how to plead enough with people. This is happening. This is happening. They are stealing people. I know she's crying. If you are out there right now acting like everything's totally fine,

you're just going to like go get a massage or like go out to brunch with some friends. You need to stop. You need to open your eyes because the reality. of what is happening is atrocious. All right. Now you tell me, Isabel, whether she is crying over what's happening on the streets of Minneapolis or the fact that a girl can't get a date. You know, Megan, it's hard to tell where all of the endless tears are coming from,

from the millennial woman generation. I've never been more grateful than right now to be Generation Z. We've got a lot of promise ahead of us. I also think the Kepvia is a really nice touch draped around the shoulders. there. It's like these people don't even know what they're advocating for, but I think millennial women... How many causes are at issue on this particular drive,

madam? Exactly, exactly. But this concept of millennial women embracing toxic empathy is so, so important because we have gaslit entire generations of people in our society and culture to believe that they are really good people if they go out and they hit police officers

with their car or they're protesting to bring Sharia law into American culture. And there are really bad person if they believe in objective reality or can answer the question like what is a woman. We have a lot of work to do when it comes to reclaiming culture for young women in our country. And I'm excited to get that work done. Yes. And I'm just going to say, I don't think, come with me, we're going to fuck shit up is like the

greatest intro to getting the best kind of man. But they are having problems at the Gen Z level. You tell me whether you know about this, Haley, because the New York Post reports that that the Gen Z men are not asking women out at all. They cite a man named Ryan Kessler. It's amazing that somebody actually like, you know, went on the record. Agreed to do this. Right? He's 28 years old. He is, quote, terrified of talking to women. His hesitancy stems from, quote, the fear of being mistaken as a toxicly macho, boneheaded creep. He told the post when trying to win over a potential love interest, the last thing he wants is to be considered a jerk who makes

ladies cringe rather than swoon with a clumsy pickup line and unwelcome advances. I never want to make the other person feel uncomfortable, and I want to be respectful. Some girls don't want to be approached at all, so I'm always trying to err on the side of caution, not wanting to come off as a pushy, as pushy is a concern shared by nearly half of single men in the U.S. who grapple with approach anxiety, Haley. So what is our message to them? This is pretty tragic. Also, you're not going to swoon anyone if you don't have the balls to go up and ask them

to begin with. I mean, this is really just fear. It's social anxiety. I think a lot of this stems in Gen Z from COVID. I think a lot of people got very comfortable just sitting behind their screens, behind their Zoom laptops. You know, they're not going into school anymore. Their social activities were canceled. And I think a lot of people found comfort in that. A lot of people that struggle with social anxiety, which is horrible to see what this is done to society and specifically in dating. But I think that this is also a pretty nasty side effect of dating culture and dating app culture as well. Because dating apps kind of take away the fear, right? You don't have to be rejected face to face. You don't have to be rejected in real life. You don't have to go up to a girl and say,

hey, I think you're cute and she says, it'll get away from me. Or no, I have a boyfriend or anything like that. You assume if you're on a dating app that the other person, if they're being honest, is single. and then if you match, they also like you back. So you don't have to go out in public when you go to a bar and shoot your shot because you don't have to worry about that. You could just hang out with your friends and then go home and let the dating app do all the work for you. Yeah.

Back in my day, when I was your age, they had to come over to us at a bar or a restaurant or a campus or whatever they had to. But, you know, I'm channeling Jordan Peterson right now because I know exactly what he would be saying. He would be saying, this is the fault of the women. And I don't think that would be wrong. Like, clearly this poor guy, I actually, my heart goes out to him, has had enough, I'm just going to take a shot and say, probably leftist women, be like, sit your ass down.

You know, how dare you come over to me or shoot him down as like somehow stepping on her feminist power by coming over with a pickup line that a lot of these guys are now feeling really gun-shy about it, Isabel. You're absolutely correct. And what's really sad is we've created an entire culture for young men to just choose to self-censor up front when it comes to basic chivalry of wanting to hold the door open for someone or help them lift their bag on the airplane into the overhead bin because they've been so regularly yelled at by these radical leftist women that that's so anti-feminist and you hate women for suggesting

that you should be a helping hand. I have an almost nine-month-old daughter and I can't tell you how many times I was on planes when I was heavily pregnant with my daughter, Isla, that I actually had to go out of my way to ask men for help with my heavy suitcase that I wasn't supposed to be lifting in my third trimester of pregnancy because no one was offering anymore. So I do think we've really built this culture led by young women to stay away from me, men, don't approach me, don't come talk to me. And yet, most of the studies that are being done on dating show that when young men do ask a woman out on a date upwards of 90 plus percent of the time, it's successful because

nobody is asking in the first place. So I think we have to have kind of a reckoning as a generation with what we're okay with societally now and see a lot more leadership from these young men to just ask. The women do want it, Haley. The Post reports that the, that 72% of women between the ages of 18 and 30 and 30 and 60, hope to be approached more. And then, of course, the Post has got a quote from somebody, a guy saying, well, I don't see anything wrong with the women approaching men for dates. He says, I know there's the argument that men used to go to war, but now women can too. So why can't they do the approaching? And my answer to that is, you know, thousands of years of biology and, evolution. Like men are programmed just genetically to be the pursuers, to come after the prey, to be the lion. And women enjoy that. Most normal women love to be pursued. And there's a whole game of cat and mouse that's kind of like a long foreplay kind of thing. And I resent the obnoxious feminists who have tried to beat this out of our men. I don't know. What would you say

to a guy in this position who are afraid, who don't know how to approach a woman in a bar or elsewhere with a pickup line. Like what's your advice to them? Leave the pickup line at home. I would just say strike up a conversation as you would anyone else. I have shot my shot, right? I have gone up to guys that I thought are cute and I give them my number or whatever and it doesn't work out and it's okay, right? Like I'm here. I'm alive to tell the tale. Nothing happened to me. I didn't die. And I'll tell you a personal story. I was at a Christmas party a few weeks ago and I got a DM the next day from a guy saying, hey, my friend saw you at the party last night, thought you were cute, here's his picture, here's his number, reach out to him if you'd like to go on a date.

I said no, absolutely not. I was going to say, oh, hell no. Your friend was in the same room as me and you didn't take the opportunity to come and meet me in real life. The bar is in hell. Come up to me and ask me out in real life. Yes, exactly right. I mean, I'm old school, right?

I'm Gen X, but I would never go. I would never ask a man out, and I would never go out with a man who is too timid to approach me. Like, you have to be fearless and bold. And I expect you to be a leader. Like, I expect you to be, even in my relationship, I'm obviously an A-type personality, but in my relationship, my husband is the dominant personality. He's much more of the a personality, and I'd have it no other way. But that has to start from the very beginning. I think conservative women are different. Some liberal women are like we are, but I think conservative women are different. Okay, let's keep going.

There is a show called Landman, which is getting all sorts of buzz. And it's like a non-woke show where they're kind of taking on issues of the day from a non-woke perspective, which is great because you don't see this very often. And they took on the issue of they, them, people coming into the lives of young women like yourself in the following clip. Let's watch it. I'm pagan. I'm, uh, Angley. Pagan.

Pagan. Like the godless religion. Um, it's actually Latin. It means country dweller. Are you from the country? I am from Minneapolis. So what are your pronouns? My pronouns?

I was hope that's pretty clear. Yeah, I don't make assumptions. You could identify as a sunflower. You know, I've been told I look like one. I use they, them. You know, I've always been curious why they're them. Because there's just one of you. And those are plural pronouns.

Right now. I just never really understood the hoopla pronouns. My name's Ainsley. And I just can't really come up with a reason why you would address me in third person in a conversation that I'm a part of. I like Ainsley. This is a Taylor Sheridan production who did Yellowstone. So he's great. Your thoughts on it, Is this like at a left field?

This never happens? Like, is this a Hollywood fan? fantasy that somebody would wind up being roomed with a they, them? No, not at all, actually. When I saw this clip, I actually confess I haven't watched Landman yet, although seeing these clips going viral really makes me want to watch the show. Same. This is about a daughter of the main character who has moved into her dorm at Texas Christian

University, there in Fort Worth, Texas, and all of a sudden gets paired up with this non-binary insufferable person. The clip is much longer. It's like four minutes long going super viral on X, talking about how you can't bring any animal products into the room. Don't bring your leather shoes in here or any meat because I'm vegan. Don't play any music. Address me by my pronouns. And of course, this person's from Minneapolis. It's so beautifully written. But what's crazy is I'm watching this clip go viral. And I'm remembering countless stories that I have heard from current college students all over the country,

that this probably feels like a documentary for them watching this. Because I hear this exact same story told over and over and over again when I speak on hundreds of college campuses across the country. This is the reality of what the college experience has become because of the woke radical left. But I love that this character's response is just, yeah, I don't have time for all of that hoopla. And I think what you're watching now with Gen Z is moving on and saying, enough, we're not doing this anymore. Truly, I mean, that has to be the response. It's a no. Like, I know a friend who's a teacher. And this teacher was like in a room where one of the students was like going by something like a mood ring to determine whether this person

was going to be a he, a she, a they, them, a furry, whatever. And she was like, pick one. You get one. That's it. That's the only way through this nonsense. Like, I'm not doing they, them. You pick one. And frankly, the only one I'm really going to go with is what the obvious biological pronoun is. But that's, you guys have to deal with a lot. I'm sorry, Haley. I feel like it was much simpler back when I was in college in 1980s to the early 90s. It is much simpler. or it was much simpler, I will say I was randomly paired with a roommate freshman year who had an imaginary friend. I would take the imaginary friend roommate over the they-them roommate from Minneapolis any day. Honestly, she was very nice. She was a little weird, but she was very nice. Okay, I have

really nothing bad to say. So I would pick imaginary friend girl over this pagan they-them from landman. But I will say, I haven't watched this show much either. I tried watching the first season. and actually the Ainsley character kind of irked me in a way that gave me a visceral reaction because she walks around in her underwear in front of her dad and her dad's colleagues and friends. She and the mom are very, can I say the word slutty? They're a little slutty. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that outfit she was wearing in that scene was a little much.

She talks to her dad about sex and things like that. It made me very uncomfortable, honestly, to watch. So I cut my land, that was where I cut my landman short. But I am happy to see that she got into college and she knows her grammar that you cannot refer to a singular person as plural they them. Right, right. That one's taken. Find a different pronoun. Now, did you ladies happen to hear any of the discussion I had with Emily Jashinsky on Timothy Busfield, the actor who's now been arrested?

So there's breaking news on this case. This just came in just as a headline for those of you who weren't there for that discussion 20 minutes ago. Timothy Busfield, Hollywood director and actor, has been taken into custody. Now he's turned himself in after an arrest warrant was issued out of New Mexico for two counts related to child molestation. He's accused by two seven-year-old boys of allegedly feeling at least one of their genitals on set on a program he was directing. He's denied it. He says it's a money grab. His wife is Melissa Gilbert. She's mentioned in the criminal complaint as having bought presents for these boys in what the complaint describes as a grooming situation. and Timothy Busfield, in an interview with the police, according to the affidavit, said, I don't remember these boys. I don't remember them, which is very strange because they started in this program he directed for apparently two years. Then again, they had social engagements with them, with his wife. I don't know what's happening there. He denies the charges, but here, this just broke per People magazine. In a pretrial detention motion filed on January 14th

and obtained by people, Timothy Busfield faces another accusation of sexual abuse. The most Motion states that, quote, another victim's father, then they name him, reported to law enforcement on January 13th that Busfield allegedly had sexually abused this man's daughter several years ago in Sacramento, California. While auditioning for Busfield at B Street Theater, the 16-year-old reported that Busfield kissed her and put his hands down her pants and touched her privates, per the motion. Busfield allegedly begged the family to not report to law enforcement if he received therapy, said the father. Being a therapist himself, he thought at the time that was the best thing to do. In the motion for pretrial detention, they're saying don't give him bail. The authorities are asking the judge to detain Busfield while trials pending. Quote, the defendant's repeated sexual touching of the victim's intimate areas combined with deliberate grooming behaviors

establishes a sustained pattern of predatory conduct. This conduct demonstrates that the defendant poses a serious and ongoing danger not only to the name victims, but to any child placed within his proximity. Sexual exploitation of children reflects a profound disregard for the physical safety, emotional well-being, etc. Wow, that's, I mean, this is just growing, Isabelle, and it's not going in the right direction for him. It's not. And I think, Megan, is really starting to expose what people have known for a long time. You articulated this very well just a few minutes ago, that this has been happening right under our nose in our culture for far too long, not just in. in the Hollywood industry, but we certainly see this in athletics as well. I interviewed Jennifer Say, former gymnast yesterday and the founder of XXXY athletics,

talking about how this was happening at the USAG, gymnastics organization for very, very long. We know the United States is one of the world leaders in human trafficking and in exploitation of child pornography spreading like wildfire all over our country. So I think this is something that's been bubbling under the surface for a very long time, but people have just been afraid to talk about it because it's one of those. things that's not for polite conversation. And yet, if we're really serious about protecting children and restoring their innocence, making sure this never happens to another generation again, it has to start with our willingness to drag darkness out into the light and to confront this head on.

I know. So you never want to, you know, rush to condemn somebody, Haley, of the most disgusting charges you could bring against. I mean, child molestation. It's the most disgusting thing. You can allege that somebody has done. And he deserves his day in court. But this is also something we need to discuss. Like, we cannot be shy about discussing the specifics. I mean, I don't love coming out here and describing the actual body parts that this guy allegedly touched, but it's important. It's important to do because you and I both know there are other children to whom this is happening right now, especially in the entertainment field, which for some reason attracts more than its fair share of perverts. Absolutely. And yes, everyone deserves their day in court.

We have to see this play out in the role of law. But however, I really feel for the children in this. It is very, very difficult to come out and even tell your parents when you are young, when you are that young, when your parents tell you, don't say this word, that's a potty word. And then you have to go and tell your parents, well, this person touched me. It is very difficult to come out. It is very difficult to come out against someone like that. So I feel for these children.

I can't imagine if they went through this, it's horrific. And I hope that they get the help that they need. and I hope they get a bulldog lawyer. Absolutely right. And I'll tell you what, like, think of this. If this is true that a 16-year-old who was auditioning for him wound up having him kiss her and put his hands down her pants and touching her genitals to the point where he then begged, begged for them not to do anything with the cops and to just allow him to go to therapy,

think of what sort of boundary crossing that would require. No normal man would do that. He has yet to respond to that allegation. We'll wait to see, and we will report it when he does. Ladies, a pleasure. Please come back. Thanks for having us, Megan. Thank you so much.

Great to see you both. All right, and we are back tomorrow with Adam Carolla and two big announcements. See you then. Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.