The Megyn Kelly Show - January 6 Obsession and Maxwell Verdict, with Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, Arthur Aidala, and Lis Wiehl | Ep. 235

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

Megyn Kelly is joined by Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, the hosts of the Ruthless Podcast, and Arthur Aidala and Lis Wiehl, attorneys, to talk about the truth about January 6, the media's obsession 1/6 and Trump, the Biden administration's goal of changing the subject, the latest on COVID mask craziness, the constantly changing COVID guidance, hypocritical maskless politicians, absurd restrictions on college campuses, Novak Djokovic getting kicked out of Australia, the verdicts in the Ghislaine Maxwell and the Elizabeth Holmes trials, and more.Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. There is a lot of news to cover today. The craziness in Chicago and these teachers refusing to do their jobs, the lawlessness in New York, where we've now got New York City, a DA who doesn't much want to prosecute crime. Doesn't matter how many cops they put back on the streets or refund the police for. You can't prosecute crime if you don't have a DA who will go after it. We'll tell you what he's doing. But first, we start with this. The Democrats and the media, but I repeat myself, are going all in on January 6th. Perhaps you've noticed wall-to-wall coverage, dramatic speeches, moments of reflection, even a prayer vigil all planned to mark the day.

This is how the vice president of the United States of America, Kamala Harris, described January 6th this morning. Fellow Americans, good morning. Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived through them, where they were and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault. Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory. December 7th, 2001. And January 6th, 2021. This is absurd. That is absurd. This day does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as those other days.

How dare she? How dare she? She's just the latest to try to exploit a dark, disturbing riot over which none of us is proud. No one thinks that was a good day or a proud day in America. But how dare you compare it with something as grave as the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9-11, Pearl Harbor? She's not the first to do it. The pundits from The Washington Post have done it. The Huffington Post, ABC News, MSNBC and elsewhere have been doing it for a year. It's quite something to hear directly from the vice president, however. Look, there's no need to overstate what happened on that day. There's no need to overstate it.

It was embarrassing. It was gross and it was illegal. People rioted at the U.S. Capitol. I'm not talking about the people who went and listened to Trump. That's one at the U.S. Capitol. I'm not talking about the people who went and listened to Trump. That's one thing. Don't lump them in. People went and listened to Trump and they're allowed to do that. But the people who went and rioted

at the U.S. Capitol with BS claims about Kraken and stolen ballots and all of it, the Sidney Powell line of stolen election claims, those people, A, were wrong. And B, those who actually engaged in violence ought to be held accountable. They hurt cops. They scared a lot of public

servants and they desecrated a revered place. Many have been prosecuted, by the way. And that's good. That's good. But for the record, not a single one has been charged with insurrection because this wasn't one. This wasn't one. Don't you think they would have charged it if they had it? They would have. Trust me, you don't have to take my word for it. This is what the FBI, the FBI has concluded. They've been investigating this for a year. This is how Reuters wrote up its read of their report, quote, 90 to 95 percent of these, the people who were involved on January 6th, are one-off cases, citing a former law, senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. Then you have five percent,

maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized, but there was no grand scheme to storm the Capitol and take hostages. Right. We know that. The New York Times podcast, The Daily, reported the same this week. I mean, it's fact. They reported the same this week. They actually reenacted, it was pretty interesting, an FBI interview with one of the rioters. See, there wasn't an audio, it was only a written transcript. So they actually admitted to hiring a voice actor, voice actors, to reenact the FBI interview with one of these guys, a self-described lifelong Democrat, who described how he just kind of found himself there that day and got caught up in what he called the herd mentality. Stupid me. I've gone through this a million times in my mind as to what I was doing there and why what I was doing. This word, this term, herd mentality, is the only thing that I could say or relate to. It is just everyone was kind of, you know, the gate was open and all the cattle went out. That's why the crimes charged that day are virtually all trespass or some other petty crime. Those who hurt cops are facing worse and that's good. But the media and Democrats treating this

like it's another 9-11 is wrong no one other than trump supporter ashley babbitt was killed that day some people died of natural causes and the democrats including biden vice including president biden continued to tout the case of officer brian sicknick as another example of an example of a cop being killed by the rioters but it's not. He was not killed by rioters that day or any other. He died of natural causes as well, something the media continues to try to ignore or actively misrepresent. I, for one, am sick of the misrepresentations. It was what it was. It does not deserve a full day of vigils and moments of silence and comparisons to 9-11. I think those of us who knew

people who died on 9-11 or who lived through it ourselves are really kind of sick of that. It's disrespectful to the families. Go read Deb Burlingame in the Wall Street Journal if you don't believe me. Her brother was captaining the flight that crashed into the Pentagon, and she doesn't want to hear this talk anymore. They want to change the subject from what's happening with COVID, what's happening with crime, what's happening coast to coast in this country when it comes to our economy, the supply chain crisis, inflation, and so on. And the cable nets want to inflate their ratings. Have you seen the numbers for CNN and MSNBC? They're at record lows. And they were at record highs when they covered January 6th. It was right up their alley. It confirmed all their darkest beliefs about all Trump supporters

and all Republicans. And now a chance to relive it is too delicious for them to ignore. That's what's happening. That's what's happening as you watch TV and pick up your morning paper and see the ubiquitous coverage of this. Now the Democrats are even talking about trying to make this into a primetime Watergate-like hearing, openly talking about what the ratings for that would be. They want their moment in the sun. They want to look like little government watchdogs are going to hold the awful people to account never mind all of the stories that they have memory hold right when it comes to the the black lives matters riots that happened that killed a lot of cops whose names will not be mentioned right what happened in in uh in the midwest in the wake of the kyle rittenhouse verdict,

when this man mowed down a lot of innocent people? No, we don't get to talk about that. And I could go on. Joining me now to discuss it all, back by popular demand, by the way, because we've had so much fun with them during their last appearances, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast, which you must, must listen to if you don't. They're great. Michael Duncan, Josh Holmes, and the man known to his Twitter, quote, minions, as comfortably smug. Smug as we call him. He told us last time he hides his identity so he doesn't have to deal with upset lefties all the time. You guys, so do I have it right? I mean, this is, no one's defending January 6th, but the treating of this like it's the anniversary of 9-11 to me is disgusting.

Yeah. I mean, look, your monologue was like batting practice. Yeah, it was dead on. I mean, I feel like you hit all of the high marks. I mean, no question about it. The thing is, if you have any question about the way that these guys are handling this, just turn on CNN for like one second and look at the chyron, right? I don't care what time of day today you do that.

It'll tell you everything about how they view this. And you said it in your monologue, this is a day that they had the highest ratings that they've ever had. And that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to squeeze more blood out of that stone. Unfortunately, it comes at the cost of an incredible misrepresentation about what we ought to be feeling and thinking about today.

Right. When you go back and look, I actually had my team pull the ratings and they celebrated, I mean, completely kind of gross. They celebrated their high ratings on January 6th right after, which was gross. But if you look at sort of, I'm trying to pull up my email of the actual ratings that they've been enjoying lately, they literally at record lows. I'll tell you guys, if I got anything near these ratings, I would have been fired. My Fox news would have fired my ass. I would have been embarrassed to put these numbers on the board, but they're down at like, they're not even at 600,000 in the overall, in the overall, are you kidding me? I used to get 600,000 in the demo, 25 to 54. This is pre-Trump

when you actually had to work for your ratings. And so they're salivating at the prospect of good numbers. It's shameless. It's absolutely shameless on the part of the media to try to pump their ratings. It's shameless of Kamala Harris to sit there now and she's suddenly going to be tough on crime again when during that summer of violence and rioting across the country where they're burning down police stations in Minnesota and she's promoting a bail fund for violent rioters. Those are people who got out of jail because of the promotion of Kamala Harris with this bail fund. And then they reoffended, violently hurt people, attacked people. And so that wasn't an insurrection across the country.

And now she's going to sit there now and say, oh, well, January 6th is Pearl Harbor. My grandfather fought in World War II. God rest his soul. But I'm sure he'd be offended by that characterization. Not the same thing. And I think it's absolutely important that Kamala Harris be called out for that is there's a lot of younger folks who've now come of age who have no memory of September 11th. They don't remember what that day felt like, the absolute horror of that day, of how that day went on and on. We were looking for survivors in the rubble. That's a great point. The number kept going up. That is collective trauma for a country. Unbelievable. That many people who were murdered. And to ever compare a moment like that. And I think it's important that we let people know that the comparison between January 6th and September 11th is so not just absurd, but obscene. And I would imagine folks who were alive during Pearl Harbor feel the same way. I would be shocked to compare a day when we had so many American soldiers murdered. The Statuary Hall, for example,

on Capitol Hill right now is full of cameras. And this is going to be, you know, where they reflect on January 6th, a year later. Yeah, Megan, I don't know if you saw this. They had a picture out this morning of Statuary Hall. I know, you know, you've covered State of the Unions and you know how that's kind of the place for all the cameras assembled.

For no other time other than a State of the Union. You look at that thing today. It looks like a State of the Union. It's got a full CNN set in the damn thing. What's the purpose of this? I mean, why are they trying to elevate? And all those people, those people in Statuary Hall, those Democrats who are going to sit there and compare January 6th to 9-11 or to Pearl Harbor, when the riots were going on in the summer with BLM in 2020,

they were in Statuary Hall, kneeling in kente cloths, doing nothing, stopping nothing. There were 2,000 officers who were grievously injured and hurt in those riots that summer. And no one is talking about what they go through. No one is talking about so many small businesses across this country were burned down. And back to what you were saying earlier, Megan, about COVID and how frustrated people are. Go back to 2020. That summer, you had people locked in their homes and you had people in the medical establishment saying, you know what? It's actually okay. It's okay to go out into the streets and aid these people who are burning down American cities because BLM is more important than fighting COVID, the people who are locking you in your home. So people are experiencing that

cognitive dissonance in real time. And of course they got frustrated, right? Yeah, no, exactly. And it's the same thing to me as like Anthony Fauci wanting people to lose their jobs if they don't get a vaccine, which we know doesn't even prevent covid while he's raking in four hundred plus thousand dollars a year. So he wants you fired. He wants firefighters fired and nurses fired and doctors fired. And he's going to sit there collecting his four hundred thousand dollars a year, judging everyone for not getting the vaccine, even if they've had natural community immunity. The the the incongruity, right, and the out of touch nature of of our so-called leaders is infuriating. The regular American doesn't give a damn about marking the anniversary of January 6th. They don't care. Only the most partisan, hardcore leftists want to spend this day reflecting on the morons who painted their faces and went inside and took a dump inside of the Capitol? I think I think that's a great

point. I think that also says a lot of why this administration is so fixated on making today an event is if you look at the facts, what has Joe Biden's first year in office been marked by? You saw an absolute horrific disaster in Afghanistan where people are dying, falling off of planes, trying to escape because he had no plan, no idea what he was doing there. You're looking right now in this country where we're hitting record cases of coronavirus. The guy who was elected saying he's going to shut down the virus. He was given vaccines. Right.

He was already given a plan. We already knew what was going on. And there are more people who have died under his watch than under President Trump, who didn't have a vaccine, who put into place a program to develop vaccines. And Joe Biden, of course, he doesn't want to talk about that. He doesn't want to talk about how prices at the grocery store are expensive, how we have supply chain issues in this country. I mean, he sounded like Marie Antoinette the other day when he was like, oh, hamburger costs $5 a pound.

Let him eat hamburger. He didn't care. So what they have to do is change the focus because everyday Americans, they are looking around and they're seeing we have a lot of problems. That's why his approval rating is in the dumpster. So they can't talk about it. The funny thing about all of this is it's not working. Like it's not working at all. Right. I mean, we had an election in Virginia where the former governor, McAuliffe, tried to run against Glenn Youngkin on exactly this issue, on exactly the sort of Trump, Trump, Trump, January 6th, Republicans are evil. And people were like, you know what, my kids can't go to school and I can't pay for groceries. I'm a little bit more interested in that. But you expand it out and it looks like

almost everything that Smug just went through has been a disaster for this administration. And they actually don't have a hook anywhere else. I mean, you look at the congressional schedule, Schumer actually this week made the argument that because of January 6th, we should be passing a federal takeover of our elections. I don't know if you remember the underpants gnome from South Park. It's like, here's one thing, here's another. And somehow they come together. I don't know how to make sense of any of that. But the only thing that they've got, the only thing that they've got is this argument on January 6th and previous administration policies. And it's just disgusting. Nobody's buying it.

You make a good point, Smug, about Afghanistan, because it's like, oh, OK, so when we get to August of this year, are we going to take a moment? Are we going to spend the day having vigils and thinking back and praying on the 13 Marines who were needlessly killed that day? Exactly. What a great point. How about them? Because right now, on January 6th, it was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter, who was shot by a cop and under sort of disturbing circumstances all around, to be perfectly honest. And she's the only one who was actually killed that day as a result of the rioting, other than the folks who died, had heart attacks and so on. So, yeah. OK, let's see. Let's do you want to stop and commemorate every big moment in which people have died? We can do that for all the hundreds of thousands who have died from covid under Joe Biden's watch.

Let's do that. When are we going to do that? And you talk about Kamala Harris. Yes, she went she went and she sat with the fit with Jacob Blake, who had resisted arrest, who had digitally raped his girlfriend, who had endangered a cop, a couple of cops, not to mention his children and his own. She went and sat with him because he got shot by a police officer. Did she go see the people in Waukesha who the families of those who were killed by that man who got in the car and mowed them down? No, she didn't. Did she mention any of them when she took the microphone? It's like the situational ethics, right? We care about this group, but we don't care about that. And why? Because they only exploit the ones that help them politically. It's the most cynical thing ever. And that's so right on. The other night, actually, I was watching a documentary about

Afghanistan, the Taliban takeover after Joe Biden's just absolute disaster of a mess over there. And I think it's important that folks remember how that happened. I know we were all horrified, but this administration has done everything they can to try to change the subject. They don't want anyone to remember that we had 13 soldiers killed. They were needlessly murdered. We gave up Bagram Air Force. Yeah. His decision making led to their deaths. And his only answer was to drone strike a van full of kids. Right. That's all he's accomplished. Like the fact that that lowered the world's America standing in the eyes of the world so much that it's no coincidence you're seeing issues around the world where China has been emboldened in terms of looking towards Taiwan and Russia and Ukraine, because everyone knows globally America's standing has gone down significantly. And that's why the Biden

administration wants to change the subject. That's why they want to talk about anything except their accomplishments, because there haven't been any. Right. It's only been disasters. It's a chance to change the subject. And as the Democrat leadership goes, so goes CNN and MSNBC and all of the other mainstream channels. You know, they're like, yes, I don't even know if they are genuine, genuinely as horrified as they say they are in addition to seeing a ratings opportunity or if it's just pure commercial opportunity. Like, I genuinely don't know if they believe what they say when they compare it to 9-11. I saw a tweet that was resurfaced recently from January 7th

of last year, where CNN, their comms shop, tweeted out, yesterday was our highest ratings day ever. Yeah, exactly. Which is 100%. That's the motivation.

Can you imagine if Fox News had done that on 9-12, 2001? Oh, my God. Can you imagine? The insensit that on 9-12-2001? Oh, my God. Can you imagine? No. The insensitivity. If this really were a Pearl Harbor, if this really were a 9-11 CNN, even their dumbest publicity person, and there's a lot to choose from there, even their dumbest would know

not to do that. They knew it wasn't that bad. It was not. Listen, I'm not trying to downplay it, but I'm actually kind of sick of people having to say that, too. You know what I mean? Like, I listen to a lot of even conservative podcasts. No, no one's been harder on January 6th than I have. And, you know, I would say, all right, could you just get to the point, you know, like they're afraid of getting criticized by the mainstream or by the Democrats for like not being sufficiently outraged about January 6th.

Just stop it. Stop pandering to these people. You'll never be outraged enough to satisfy them. That's the way it is. And that's the way it's always been, Megan. So, you know, I feel like the way that we've dealt with it at Ruthless is we addressed it and we said any time the media tries to bait you into a conversation longer about January 6th is a day that you're not winning. The fact that Joe Biden has zero accomplishments, right?

Let's talk about that. Let's talk about it every day until the midterms because I think if we do that, we're going to have historic red wave gains. The reason that Joe Biden's approval rating is at an all-time low is not because of January 6th, it's because his administration has shown that they are they are way in over their heads. They have no idea what they're doing. They're going from disaster after disaster.

The pandemic has gotten worse under his watch when he was elected supposedly to to end the pandemic. And we might not even be at the bottom of it because now you finally have the Northeast, the Acela Corridor, all of these places who for the last, you know, two years, you know, thought COVID only happened to those rubes in the south, those MAGA Trump people. That's right. They're getting Omicron. And so so now they have to, you know, change their entire worldview on the issue. Right. And they're trying to get tests. Right.

And they're trying to get monoclonal antibodies. And they can't the other day so chrysalism from cnn puts out this tweet where he was like i'm stunned for so long it felt like you know uh people who got covet it was a moral failure on their part for getting covet when we did everything right and we get covet it's like this is you're part of the media arm which is pushing this messaging trying to other you know, folks who are suffering. And it's just for their own purpose, for the Dems covering for the failures of this administration. You put your finger on it, Megan, when you said selective ethics, right? They have very,

very situational ethics policy when it applies to anything and everything that they care about. Everything from the crime that they choose to prosecute to the issues that they seek to highlight to the constituencies that they seek to other, as Smug just said. And we have spent the last 12 months now basically blaming the South for the rise of the coronavirus. And he's still, by the way, two days ago,

the Washington Post fronted another piece about the Southeast and coronavirus. I was like, you want to walk outside your door at the Washington Post? I mean, this place is grounded in Corona and they're pointing down in Georgia and Florida. I mean, you got to be kidding me. Yeah. Per capita, DC is worse than any country on earth in terms of cases. And the Washington Post is talking about the Southeast. They can't let go. It's just like how everything is still Trump's fault. I mean, even before January 6th, they'd find a way to lead the news with Trump. What do you think of Trump? Could Trump come back? And if Trump doesn't necessarily work, then it's Tucker Carlson. What? going to talk about 350,000 students in our nation's third largest school system sitting at home after school was canceled again today, thanks to, and this is

saying something, the most selfish teachers union in the country. That's next. So they're back at it in Chicago, guys. Can you believe we just start? I didn't get to play it yesterday. And whenever I can play it, I want to play it. I don't know, Debbie, do we have it? The dancers are she's going to pull it over. She's going to pull it over because the same teachers union. All right.

The same group of teachers who told us they could not teach let last year and then they were found down uh like out of town they left chicago and they went uh next to pools oh this is the one lady okay sarah chambers that was her name she's actually on the executive board of chicago's teacher union and last year this is the same teachers union that's shutting down school now for 350,000 kids. Last year, she urged even special education teachers to refuse to return to work. Screw those disabled children because it would be unsafe for her and for the other teachers. Then just hours after stating that, she was busted for vacationing after posting a photo on Instagram of a pool in Puerto Rico captioned,

Spending the last day of 2020 by the poolside. Too dangerous to work in person, but not too dangerous to be poolside. Yeah, she's still part of Chicago's union board. know, pushing on half a million kids sitting their asses at home in Illinois instead of in school learning where they should be because these teachers refuse to teach. We've spent a lot of time on Ruthless on this topic over the last year for obvious reasons. Our listeners are intensely interested in their kids being educated as I'm sure every parent in America is. But this is kind of the worst of this entitlement mentality union activism that we've seen anywhere in the country. Chicago, not surprisingly, is the worst here. But if you think about the amount of money that the federal

government, that Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the rest of them said that they were allocating in that first totally partisan COVID package to reopen our schools. I mean, we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. You could have rebuilt every school in America, right? None of it apparently has any impact on the teachers whatsoever, right? I mean, somehow, I don't know where the money went. We did a segment actually on today's show about how this was finding its way into critical race theory consultants and other things. But it certainly isn't going to make sure that the kids go back to school. It is one of the biggest outrages of a mountain of outrages that we've had with this administration. I mean, like the report on today's show that we had is millions have been given

to critical race theory consultants. When so much money was given to these schools to reopen, they could have like space stations teaching our kids. But instead, this is what they spent their money on and now they just refuse to teach. It's like a robbery. They took the money and ran. I mean, the most offensive thing to me

is that you had the teachers unions retconning what they did, you know, during 2020 on on covid and closing our schools and making sure our kids don't learn. And there was just the Randy Weingarten Weingarten. Yeah, just just a month ago in New York profile. There was a profile about, oh, how actually, you know, she fought the hardest to keep kids in school, which of course is bull, absolute bull. And now we see the proof here in Chicago. I think the one thing people have to remember is that these school closures and virtual schooling hurts black and brown and poor kids the most. Oh, absolutely. It is the most devastating to their learning experience. And so the idea that a Democratic Party would hurt inner city kids is just offensive. Well, again, it goes back to the situational ethics. Right, right, right.

In this situation, the union is the friend. More important. The people we gave hundreds of billions of dollars saying schools have never been safe. We got to everything but let me ask you all this let me ask you is that true because in this situation it's unusual and it's awesome but mayor lori lightfoot who's a democrat who's you know she's on the opposite side of like the cops and the crime and the crt and all that but on this issue she's. And she's like, get your asses back in there. Here's a quote.

I'll tell you what it is. Let me just read you what she says. She says, if you care about our students, if you care about our families as we do, we will not relent. Enough is enough. We're standing firm. We're going to fight to get our kids back to in-person learning, period, full stop. And yet you've got the teachers.

And by the way, I have them and they're dancing now. This is their protest last year trying to prove to us why they couldn't teach here they are stand by watch make it make sense it's a good move incredible oh my god you guys look at that is essential i can can't. Keep our students and our teachers safe. I'm getting second-hand embarrassment. Yes, same.

Okay, I'm sorry, but if you're not watching the show on YouTube, you've got to go to YouTube.com and watch this later. They're looking at Mayor Lightfoot saying, it's not safe. These are young, able-bodied people, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'll tell you why.

And it's not because Mayor Lightfoot has just become a closet conservative. The politics are written all over this thing. across this country at the localist of local levels, all the way up to the federal level of parents saying the hell with you, the hell with your, your keeping our kids in at home, not teaching. And they're literally watching their kids' futures be stolen from them by these unions. And, and, and now they're voting, right? I mean, we said damn near won the New Jersey governorship. And I think it's important to note, you know, especially in the case of Lightfoot is you saw in the days after Glenn Youngkin won in Virginia, where Dems all of a sudden just started having comments about the crime spree in this country where they're like, you know what, maybe something should be done about crime when the same elected officials, one of those same

Dems were pushing defund the police. Right. We're trying to take apart the systemically racist justice system that we have in this country. And we can't have police out on the streets. So I don't think we should we should be happy that they've changed their minds. I think what's important is accountability. You have to hold these people accountable. They were part of the problem. There's there's a reason that police face such a tough situation in this country where the NYPD cannot meet their numbers for how many police officers they need because folks are retiring early. No one is applying because who would want to be in that situation? You've had New York police officers who were killed. They were assassinated sitting in their patrol car because of this environment that Dems have created. This pandemic of crime and all teachers okay and all teachers being smeared with the decisions that like chicago is is using too is i think completely ridiculous i'd like to extrapolate out imagine for those teachers who think that this is too dangerous for them to

teach our children i'd like for them to just sort of picture a world where people who pick up your garbage have that same point of view people who deliver your packages have that same point of view. People who deliver your packages have that same point of view. The grocers have that same. In fact, the people who pack the meat and send the vegetables and get everything to you that you can freaking survive for crying out loud.

What if those people had that same point of view that they simply couldn't leave their home unless they were going to go on a horribly embarrassing dancing trip in Florida? I mean, what if?

What if the guy at the liquor store suddenly said, I'm not doing it? Well, then we'd all be going to work. A ruthless would be in big trouble. The program would cease to exist, man. The variety program, no. Now that's a bridge too far. We don't need to imagine that.

And to your point, it's not all teachers. You know, it's like some losers and then the union that decides we're your point, it's not all teachers. It's like some losers and then the union that decides we're just not doing it. And there was a guy on Tucker Carlson's show last night who he's sick and he wants to teach. He wants to spend his remaining time teaching children. I think we pulled the soundbite. Here he is. Take a listen. I joined the Chicago Public Schools as a teacher, first and foremost as a teacher. And my role, I believe my role should be inside the classroom with my students,

should not be in the picket line. I did not join CPS to be a union member, first and foremost to be a teacher. And secondly, I believe that there are ways to fight city hall. You don't dangle the plight of the kids in the middle of the fight just to seek your demands. Good reminder, right? Because it's like you see these unions and you're like, God, they're awful. And then you drop your own kid off at school. Thank God we're in a position where all three of ours are going. And we love our teachers. They're amazing. They haven't missed a day. They wouldn't miss a day. Yep. And they try to find ways to make it work, right?

I mean, that's the difference between a true educator and somebody who's trying to get out of their job. And fortunately, I think around this country, you've got a lot of people who got into teaching for the right reasons and they're trying to make it work and their communities are helping them, right? That's the other thing that we found is that all politics got really local in a hurry with coronavirus. Right. And when they're shutting down businesses and the federal government telling you what's essential and what's not and whether your kids can go to school and what's not

like you begin to band together at some level. And I think that's been helpful in terms of us understanding what the curriculum is in these schools, by the way. Right. I mean, we wouldn't even know about critical race theory if it wasn't for coronavirus. Very true. The last thing that they want is for us to get another peek inside the classroom, because I guarantee you they haven't stopped that nonsense. And they need to keep us out of there at least through November of 22. You know, the American people will react the same. All right. Meanwhile, the mass craziness continues and can i just show you what uh my old friends at nbc are now suggesting you do when it comes to masking this is a clip from the today show soundbite six they go all the way over your head

not the most comfortable but very very snug not a lot of air is getting in between the sides of my cheeks or the tops of my cheek he says obviously the can 95 and 95 are the most effective but it can be really hard to find them in small kid sizes and also to keep them on your kids all day they're not the most comfortable so the second best option is to make sure you have a kid size surgical mask and you want to layer the cloth mask over that mask so So the mask goes on first and then the cloth mask. I got a lot easier way for these experts to give this recommendation. Just hold your breath, ladies.

Just hold it. Just hold your breath. Stop with the breathing. I promise you won't get corona. Just hold it until you pass out. I mean, how dystopian, right? Like how dystopian. We're like, all right, well, now we got the perfect solution to this.

We got more kid-sized masks and put them in two. And, you know, just it's so much performative theater in this. We have known. It's like, tell me you've never been around small children. Right. Tell me you've been. Right. And we'd be like, oh, your kid will wear this all day long.

Yeah, yeah. My two-year-old, I have a two-and-a-half-year-old. My two-and-a-half-year-old is going to wear two masks, let alone one. And we know from the science, as the liberals who say they want us to trust the science and follow the science, that covid isn't as dangerous to little kids. And along those lines, I think it's very important. We've seen a ton of polling that's come out about viewpoints for what covid is like by partisan lines. And they polled Democrats and 50 percent of Democrats think that if you contract COVID, you're going to the emergency room. Like this is like, where has this delusion come from? And the fact that it continues to be fostered that like it's a death sentence. And only recently

they're having to change that because Omicron is so transmissible that it's no longer something that they can blame as a moral failure of these rooms. Right. But it's becoming the security with the kids, especially, which I think is the most egregious thing in all of this. It's becoming part. Remember the shoe bomber on the airplane? And then we suddenly had to take off our shoes everywhere at TSA. Right. Right. And now the security theater of COVID is let's double mask the kids who are based on the statistics not going to be hospitalized and not die from yeah right oh that's perfect right it's just obscene it's just psychosis that we're dealing with yes it is there was a there was a new york times reporter i'm trying to find it here but uh yeah national education reporter for the new york times dana goldstein

who tweeted out our pre-k wants kids okay first of all leave our pre-K wants kids. Okay, first of all, leave. Our pre-K wants kids in KN95 masks. My four-year-old has a tiny face. And everywhere I am checking is sold out. Help? Links? And Bethany Mandel, who you guys know, she's great. She responded, every four-year-old has a tiny face that shouldn't be in a medical grade mask or any mask. And she goes on from there. But really, yes, there's a reason you can't find those because no one in their right mind thought of putting them on little children to prevent them from getting COVID. And that's another thing is that the United States is the only Western country

that's requiring children to be masked. This is not happening in France, England. No other country has a position in place that three-year-olds should be masked. And more recently I saw in New York City, you had kids out in 34 degree weather, eating their lunch, sitting on the floor outside. We're committing child abuse to virtue signal right now. That's what's happening in this country.

Well, Megan, we talked with several months back. I know somebody you've had on as well, Dr. Marty McCary, who was talking about sort of the ancillary problems that you create with this mask. Even if you're trying to solve the problem of, let's just hypothetically suggest that it works. It doesn't. We already know it. Let's say it doesn't. The ancillary problem that you have with emotional development with children, not being able to read their friends' faces, not being able to understand when their teachers are happy, angry, want them to try harder at something. There's no emotional IQ development whatsoever. And so like, look, the problem that you are creating in many, many ways is a thousand times worse than any problem that you sought to solve in the first place. And I don't understand,

like from my standpoint as a parent with two young boys, like it's not difficult to understand. Just take a step back and look at it. And you're like, oh yeah, logically that makes total sense. These idiots can't do that. No, it's, we're in a situation now where if you can get past the teacher's union and actually get the doors of your school open, then you get there and you're behind plexiglass and you're six feet away from everyone there. And you're now going to have to wear double masks or a KN95 mask. And then you will be set and told that you're terrible because of your skin color if you happen to be white or incapable of achieving success on your own if you happen to be black. That's the state of America's education system

right now. Also, I read a really interesting article recently about those KN95 masks where Amazon, other retailers have been flooded with these fake bootleg masks, which are manufactured in China, which is the country whose government covered up this disease at the global pandemic. Every country on Earth has to deal with the cover-up to begin with. The money's going right back.

Unbelievable. Can I tell you something? I didn't know the difference between the N95 and the KN95. I just looked it up. Do you guys know the difference? Supposedly, the KN95? I just looked it up. Do you guys know the difference? Apparently, there's a reason there. The KN95 is a Korean manufactured mask,

which have not passed the same US NIOSH testing. Well, they say that the fit on the KN95, they say the fit on the KN95 has to be built in. You might not get as good a fit, I guess, on the N95. I don't know. But there are people who are studying this and who are actually ordering KN95s over the N95s because they think they're going to get some extra layer of protection. As if the N95 wouldn't be good enough for you and your child.

And that brings me to... Do we have Nicole Wallace? Do we have that? Oh, boy. My favorite soundbite of the week. This will be great. Favorite soundbite of the week. And just will be great favorite soundbite of the week and just listen i'm a fauci groupie i'm a thrice vaccinated mask adherent i buy k95 masks by the you know caseload they're in every pocket i wear them everywhere except when i sit

down and i am certain that this is not a variant I can outrun. Okay. I love the, except when I sit down, because COVID only affects the standards. That's a long known truth. Like the policy in a restaurant where you wear the mask until you get to the table and sit next to people and then you take it off. Thank God I'm sitting again. It can't get me.

It is an incredible, it's an incredible, it's a perfect example of the liberal psychosis that COVID has created that she feels like she has to spend a full minute with a windup explaining all of her virtue of how she did all the right things. She's like, I was one of the good ones. I'm not one of these rubes in the South. We haven't all been going through the same thing for two years together. We were all in this together, right? We're all in it together. She feels betrayed.

Right. She's betrayed by the virus. She was very loyal to the Fauci mandates and so on. And this is bullshit because she's been betrayed by COVID. My favorite one lately, CDC last week came out, or I think it was just a few days ago, they came out with this new guidance that you can't, if you get the Omicron virus, you can't take the PCR test.

You got to go back to the antigen test. But for the last nine months, you couldn't take the antigen test. You could only really diagnose things with the PCR test. Is there a single thing in all of this discussion since the very beginning of February 2020 that hasn't either been reversed or substantially changed in terms of its guidance? Well, I remember the World Health Organization was in February 2020 told us that COVID-19 can't be transmitted human. Yeah, it wasn't transmitted human to human. And then the CDC, this is

recently, we talked about this on an episode of Ruthless recently, CDC finally comes out and says, you know, I mean, basically we wanted, when we went with lockdowns, we went with the amount of time we thought you would willingly do. It wasn't based on any science. It wasn't 30 days, 90 days a year. You know, it was, okay, well, we think

people won't, you know, uprise in the streets if we say 14 days to slow the spread yeah so now there's now there's a sociologist yeah that's the side that's the science yeah trust the science yep i mean i truly i don't know whether because the 10 days was made up to the 10 day quarantine now that they've that was made up so i genuinely don't know do they actually believe you won't transmit it after five days now or are is this just the secret we want everyone to get omicron because this is the one to get and we're going to finally beat

this thing with herd immunity i think what happened is that the media and the dams messaging that you are a bad person and you did the wrong things if you got covet completely fell apart given how transmissible Omicron is. And so it's funny that the rules have to be changed once the good folks can catch it. Once the folks who are counting on, I can work from home with a laptop and just get my delivery from Uber Eats. I'm one of the good ones. Once they are now having to face it, wait a minute, the rules absolutely have to be changed. That's crazy. I have to go out. That's a great point. I mean, if you follow the full narrative, recall, I mean, the only reason that Joe Biden's

president right now is because of his pledge to the American people that all things would be cured COVID if he was the person sitting behind the resolute desk in the Oval Office, right? I mean, that was the pledge. And then quickly that all fell apart and realized that that's impossible. And so as Smug just said, all the standards begun changing. You had to figure out who's the other group. Right. So it's like, all right, well, let's let's say that's the Trump supporters that are vaccine hesitant. They're the ones that are creating the continued virus. Well, I mean, statistics don't bear it out. You had just as much hesitancy in African-American

communities and inner cities than you did in rural areas and red states, but they had to create that other group. But now with Omicron, it's gone to another step. As Smug just explained, now you can't, you actually can't avoid it. So we need a new explanation, right? It's like, we could stop it. If you have to find something good about Omicron, this is it. It's like we could stop it. If you have to find something good about Omicron, this is it. It's like the great equalizer. It's brought these elites down to earth and shown them that anyone can get this thing. And by the way, that was true during Delta. The vaccinated could catch it and the vaccinated could communicate it to somebody else. Yeah, that was true with Delta. And it's just undeniably true with Omicron, which I'm again, I hate to say there's something

good about one of the variants, but this one's it's kind of something good because people are going to have to admit the truth and get real about our policies. I think it's incredible that Joe Biden was able to just hop off his plane and say there's no federal solution for COVID and then jump on a helicopter to go to his beach house, like from one vacation to the other, says there's no federal solution to this. When he ran explicitly blaming Trump. Yeah. Yeah. Trump is the reason covid is bad and I will fix it. And the media has not held him to account at all. Of course, that is incredible. It's spectacular. They completely took his his marching orders and ran with, you know,

no president can fix this. Anywho, look over here. January 6th. It was spectacular. They completely took his marching orders and ran with, you know, no president can fix this. Anywho, look over here. January 6th. It was terrible. Exactly. Remember? All right. Stand by, you guys.

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And by the way, you can hear our very first interview with these guys, episode 191, in our archives. Don't go away. So now you know how they changed the definition of fully vaccinated from two shots to, you know, got to have have three including the booster now fauci says yesterday or the other day um we're gonna change it from fully vaccinated to have you kept your vaccinations up so it's like having a dog you know have you gotten all your shots and all your shots it could just keep changing could be four could be five and this as there continues to be major reluctance amongst that five to 11 year old parent group, you know, that we're allowed to vaccinate those very young kids now. And only something like 25 percent of the country has done that. Most parents are like, yeah, no, my kid faces zero risk from covid. record numbers of children in the hospital thanks to covid it's a lie they're in the hospital with covid they test everyone who goes into the hospital so if you have a broken leg and you have

covid you count as a kid in the hospital with covid but they report it like it's because of covid anyway and here's what the white house is apparently doing to try to jack up those kid vaccinations. Watch this promo video from the White House. It's safer to put up my friends if I'm vaccinated. You know what it is. And it's so important to play with your friends, right? Parents and your teachers have been doing lots of things to keep you guys safe. And this will make it a little bit safer. I'm excited to play with my friend Dorothy and my other friends at school because they said when we all get vaccinated

we can have a play date. OMG. That makes me white hot. It is diabolical that they would do that. I mean, to present it like that, like, oh, well, everything this administration and our teachers unions are doing is to keep you safe.

I mean, you've got the teachers unions holding kids hostage right now in Chicago, right? And you've got videos like that, which is basically a hostage video. It is. You know, it's just like. It's yet again, do this thing and we will let you have your freedom. Dystopia. And then you know what? If we all did it, then they'd change it again, right?

Yeah. As if you can't have a play date as a child with another child unless you've all been vaccinated. What kind of BS is this? These are lies. It's all lies, but it's based on an initial lie

that is perpetuated because of the liberal left and Anthony Fauci and everything else. And it's this misunderstanding of what a coronavirus actually is, right? I mean, what this is, is never going to be eradicated from the face of the planet. It's not. You get immunity for it. It lasts forever. You know what the other coronaviruses are called? The flu. It's been around forever, right? And they're colds and flus. And you end up getting a shot if you want one, no shot if you don't want one. If you're

not vulnerable, it's not even really all that recommended. That's the nature of what we face here. Now, granted, it was more transmissible than the flu, and it had a slightly higher death rate at one point than the flu. Omicron does not, right? But the failure to be honest about that conversation has created at least half of this country that is fundamentally out of touch with the reality that they face. And so they make videos like that, right? Those children have far less of a risk from COVID than fully vaccinated adults. And even when you're vaccinated with Omicron, you're just as likely to spread it much more with the guys. After this quick break. We're going to get into crime. Don't go away. Before we get into crime, a couple more things on COVID. Days after AOC is spotted

vacationing in Florida, she has to leave New York in the circumstances she helped create here, where we all have to wear masks all the time and everyone has a mandatory vaccination policy even if you deliver a pizza now in some parts of New York um yeah or you lose your job she goes to Florida for some relief understood but then Eric Swalwell same thing uh representative from state of California including parts of San Francisco Bay Area he goes to Florida he's seen mask lists This guy's been a huge proponent of look at him enjoying his time in the Sunshine State. Last week, just last week, he blamed the Republicans for canceled vacations and saying we have to wear masks everywhere again because of these guys, Republican liars. And there he is down at the Lowe's Miami Beach Hotel. Apparently DeSantis, Governor DeSantis said the hypocrisy extends beyond these two.

He said there's probably about a half a dozen governors who have restrictions on their people that were spotted at various points in Florida recently. Unreal. What do you make of it? At least the Chinese intelligence op knows where to find Swalwell these days. Oh my gosh, what a scumbag. He's amongst the worst. AOC just sort of speaks for herself. I mean, she is what she is, right? She's a left-wing lunatic. Oh, you're just saying that because you want her.

Oh yeah, that's right. That's right, man. I want to date her. I forgot. That's part of the deal, right? Everybody that criticizes her wants to date her. Can you imagine having Thanksgiving dinner with AOC? Oh, smokes.

Holy smokes. It's sort of just the classic, you know, do as I say, not as I do, that we see in this entire pandemic from the left. I mean, all the way back to Chris Cuomo. Remember that? Where he was, oh, we're him maskless outside the house. And then CNN does this just like embarrassing reveal of him coming up from the basement after he was, quote unquote, in quarantine. And it's just all of this performative theater that these folks do because, you know, it's do what I say and not what I do. And with AOC, it's perfect. It's the whole socialist thing of like it's power to the people until you're in power. And then you want to enjoy all the trappings of what you can have. And of course, she's vacationing in Florida. Why should she have to suffer with her voters who elected her in New York City where they're hitting record numbers despite having so many vaccine mandates, mask mandates, everything that she supported hasn't been working.

Why not just go to Florida for vacation? Yeah. And you know what you know is a great place to vacation to New York City. everything that she supported hasn't been working why not just go to florida for vacation yeah and you know what you know is a great place to vacation to new york city it's awesome normally you could go on to broadway you could catch a show you could have done the rockettes that was canceled too um you know normally you could come here and see the greatest bar and restaurant scene in the world bar none but now can't come if you have a kid who's unvaccinated can't come certainly if you're unvaccinated it can't come if you plan on taking off your mask can't come if you have a kid who's unvaccinated, can't come certainly if you're unvaccinated, can't come if you plan on taking off your mask, can't come if you like that. That's

thanks to people like her, right? People like AOC and our loser mayor, who's now out, we'll see how the new guy does, who have imposed all these restrictions. It's just maddening. And by the way, it's not totally unlike all these Democrats who changed the laws in these very, very blue states to be just impossible to live under the tax rates and so on. Then they flee down to Florida and Texas and they want to change those laws, too. Well, you know, look, the most pernicious part, from my point of view, about Democratic covid policies is it's basically just a tool for control. Right. I mean, if you looked at the way that society operated in the summer of 2020,

that's kind of ideal for them. You know, this is you have a centralized federal government who basically conducts all dealings in your life. Right. You can't really leave the house. If you do, it has to be a job that is what? How do they label it? Essential. Essential. Essential as if some jobs aren't essential to provide for your family. I mean, every single aspect of American life was filtered through what the federal government told you you could and could not do. And so as we've gotten on, now, you can see they're trying to struggle to take hold of that. They don't want to live under it, as evidenced by AOC and Swalwell, but they're still trying to continue this, okay, fourth shot, okay, fifth shot, okay, six, never really leveling with people that the fact that this is going to be here forever, and you might as well figure out how to get back to life as you want to live it.

And part of that is scaring us. Like I mentioned with the fake hospitalization reports, I mentioned the children, but they do that with adults too. And you tell me if you've noticed it, but I feel like with Omicron, which we know is far less deadly than Delta or any other variant we've had of this virus, they're excited when they have a death to report. They've been few and far between, but they actually, there was a mashup. Is this a Grabian mashup? I don't know who put this together, but they actually, there was a mashup. Is this a Grabian mashup? I don't know who put this together, but it's good. We stole it. Oh,

it's Matt Taibbi. Even better. Watch this, you guys. Watch this. It's the first known death from Omicron. The first person confirmed to have died of Omicron in the US. We've just confirmed the first death in the United States due to the Omicron variant. Death now from the Omicron variant. First States due to the Omicron variant. Death now from the Omicron variant. First death due to the Omicron variant. Death from the Omicron variant in the U.S. The U.S. suffered its first death from the new strain. It is very possible there have been other deaths.

The first death from the Omicron variant. The U.S. has reported its first death linked to the Omicron variant. We're going to see certainly hospitalizations and deaths. The one thing that we are seeing is that, if anything, it does not appear to be more severe. It might, in fact, be less severe, but we're holding off on that till we see how it does in our own country.

Taib, he's put in the Grim Reaper running around. That was beautiful. But it goes back to the central problem that we've been discussing here, Megan, is that they need fear. They need compliance because compliance is key to their worldview. If they want to send you a check and tell you you don't have to pay rent, they need to scare you into changing the American economy, the locking you in your home. And they can only do that with videos like that. It's incredible. I mean, you know, the funny thing is the whole Omicron thing started with a big report that came out that the White House member Biden had this big emergency meeting to meet about the Omicron variant. And then they had this discussion at the CDC about how this was the most transmissible. And they took all kinds of South African data, except for for one data point the one data point was that nobody was going to the hospital it does nothing right it's like there's nothing to fear with this one uh yeah you get a cold and then you're and then you have immunity as it as it turns out according to what i read in the new york times you have

immunity if you get omicron uh from delta and the reverse is not true so yay right so i mean if you're looking for silver linings and getting omicron, there's one for you, but no, it's death, death, death and hospitalizations. Like, I don't think anybody's advocating everybody go out and lick doorknobs, but honestly, just survive. Do your life. Act like you did when it was flu season, you know, wash your hands, do smart stuff. You know, I just, for the life of me, I can't figure out what people can't figure out about this plan that liberals have to try to keep us all under the thumb. It's just so odd. But I think part of part of the problem is because they need the compliance at the beginning of the pandemic. Right. And they had to lock people in their homes and the vaccines were under development that instead of leveling with people, like you said earlier, homes and saying this is a coronavirus, small C coronavirus.

The flu is a coronavirus. These things circulate and will always circulate. We built up the expectations of vaccine and this is over. Oh, yeah. And this is over. And Ron DeSantis in Florida and monoclonal antibodies, you know, he's he does. That's junk science. You know, they've got it wrong. We've got it right. And now we are two years into this thing and it all has to change because we're slowly accepting reality. And elderly can't get monoclonal. Where are the smart liberals? Because smart people, right? I mean, the conservatives are not scared. If you look around on the right half of the country, they're not the ones who are running scared from this.

But there are smart liberals out there who should now be seeing, right, with their own eyes, oh, wait a minute. Okay, we do have to learn to live with it. We're not going to get zero COVID. We have to decide whether we want to send our kids to school in masks forevermore. And they, you know, bit by bit, we're starting to see some of that. But then you get reports like Yale University this week. Did you see this? They're banning the students from eating outside. They cannot eat outdoors at local restaurants

for the spring semester. And they're accepting. Pretty dumb for a bunch of smart kids. I mean, where I went at Syracuse, I guarantee you they're eating outside. What? What's the matter? Why? I love the juxtaposition with this.

And then in the summer of 2020, when you had these riots and BLM going on through the summer, you had, you know, medical community going around saying that, hey, it's OK to go out and attend these protests, you know, shoulder to shoulder in the streets. That's totally fine. COVID will, you know, stop when it's for a left wing cause. But now you want to have a pizza in New Haven? Not happening. Social justice is the best vaccine. That's right. I mean, you asked about smart liberals. I happen to think, at least in terms of Washington, they exited stage left with Daniel Patrick Moynihan like 25 years ago, right? I mean, to be honest with you, this is a herd mentality. And they're

so scared. They're so politically scared of the far left that nobody, and I mean nobody, even if they know better and they are smart and there are smart liberals, they can't say it. They can't say it because that's the other problem that they've associated now with our entire country is that they've censored everybody into a silo of thought. That's right. Right. That you can only say and do these things or otherwise you're kind of against the entire mission. We've seen that across from social media to now our science and our medical community. I think that is the one last and really scary part about this.

This is good. I like this because they've been so sucked in because it's not just the damn politicians, right? Like, I know these people in New York City, the actual liberals who are not woke. They're not like sort of the far left weird activists. They're normal people, but they're liberals and they're brainwashed. They see this thing is like bubonic plague esque. And I think you're getting it.

Why? They got sucked in early as an us versus them mentality, as a MAGA hat versus mask mentality, as a good people are scared and follow, quote, the science and take it seriously. And they can't break out of it. Sorry, Smug, I interrupted you. I know. No, no. I think Holmes nailed it where he said that there is the left is trying to enforce what can be said, what can't be said about this. If like a year ago, you were to say, if you've been vaccinated, you can still contract and pass on the coronavirus. Your account would be banned.

You know, the left would try to take away your livelihood. They'd be like, oh no, this person doesn't deserve a job. What would the COVID misinformation policy of two years ago look like versus today? You know, think about that. I mean, Eric Swalwell, we talked about Eric Swalwell.

This is a guy who tweeted, don't buy masks at the beginning of this thing. Is his account still up? I mean, the WHO says it can't be transmitted human to human. They still have their account. Yeah. I'm trying to find the Dave Rubin tweet.

Maybe my team can help me out. Dave Rubin had his Twitter account suspended eight, nine months ago for tweeting out something to the effect of the vaccines do not prevent the spread of COVID. They're not as effective as we once thought they were. It was everything he said was true. And he got shut down on Twitter. Bunch of us weighed in saying this is absurd. Why are you shutting down? And that's just, of course, yet another example of what big tech does, right? It's not really so much what's fact-based. It's

what they just don't want people to hear. Yeah. Yeah. But it's also enforced at the administration level, right? So you've got big tech, of course, there are a bunch of lefties, but you also have this hanging over the top of them, this threat of antitrust or these threats of government action to break up their businesses. And every single time you see Facebook or somebody else say like, you know, we're going to have a more laissez-faire attitude, they try to enforce something on them. And so in some ways, it's the government itself that's perpetuating the silence. The government and the media are basically coming into Facebook and Twitter and saying, you know, nice business you got here. It would be a shame if anything

were to happen to it. If you let Trump back on Twitter, we'll let Elizabeth Warren take care of you guys. You know how it works. And has there been any ramification for Twitter whatsoever for banning the Hunter Biden story? None. Absolutely none. Oh, and we heard

a whole lecture from Joe Biden today about how, you know, good people, real Americans are not afraid of the truth. They're not afraid of the truth coming out. Okay, let's do that. Let's have that conversation, Mr. Disinformation, Russian disinformation when it comes to your son's laptop. That that's a lie that you've chosen to live with and none of us believes it. Okay, so this is, oh, this is just from July. My God, it's like, wait, July of what? It must be July of 2021. My God, that's like a couple months ago. This is so obviously true. Dave Rubin tweeted out, listen how benign this is.

People are getting and transmitting COVID despite vax. Plus now they're prepping us for booster shots. A sane society would take a pause. We do not live in a sane society. He got his Twitter account shut down for that. Wow. Incredible. I mean, that should be held out. I'm glad you highlighted that. That should be held out and put on a poster card in front of every media office there is, because that is the most

obviously true statement that i've ever seen and somehow that's what got banned right it's crazy all right let's switch over because i want to get your reaction a couple things first of all crime uh new york city great we've got eric adams he's a former cop he took over for de blas Blasio. So, yay, Team Andy Cohen. And sadly, however, and this is something Bill Bratton has been saying, you know, police commissioner, former in New York. And he cleaned up New York under Giuliani. He cleaned up L.A. He cleaned up Boston. And he has been saying, it's great. If you want to refund cops, you should. He's in favor of that. It's not going to solve the problem. It's the light on crime prosecutors, the DAs, who are really at the heart of what we're seeing in these crime rises across major cities. And New York City is the perfect example of that. The Manhattan DA is a guy named Alvin Bragg. He's our new DA. He ordered his prosecutors to stop seeking prison sentences for hordes of criminals, this from the New York Post, and to downgrade felony charges in cases including armed robberies and drug dealing. He doesn't want

anyone to be incarcerated, basically, unless it's a homicide or just a handful of other major cases like domestic violence, felonies, and a few others. And so the police union, cops themselves, and others who are pro-law enforcement are coming out and saying, this is insane. What kind of message are we sending out? And by the way, if you go in there and he's changing the rules on armed robberies now, or if it's not a gun, it's not an armed robbery, it's going to be treated as a misdemeanor. Like, oh, I'm sure the store owners are going to love that. Armed robbers who use guns or other deadly weapons to stick up stores and other businesses will be prosecuted only for petty

larceny, a misdemeanor, so long as no one was seriously injured and there was no genuine risk of physical harm to anyone. Oh, my God. What? Yes. So this is something that we've discussed, you know, pretty extensively here on on Ruthless and the variety program. There's been a significant push among the left to try to to using dark money to fund these radical left wing D.A.'s because they know voters think this would be ridiculous. They can't get it done with legislation. So they try to do it at the DA level. That, you know, their radical ideas on what policing, reimagining policing, which essentially means anarchy. Right. Should be.

And again, the New York Post had a terrific article about this where Soros, George Soros donated over a million dollars to Bragg, who's now the DA in New York. He had previously funded the DA in Philadelphia,'s now the da in new york he had previously funded uh the da in philadelphia where now the murder rate uh philadelphia has one-fifth the population of new york city and they have more murders in philadelphia i mean that's what happened in chicago too remember back with waukesha right we all remember how how did this guy how did this criminal get out of of a bail hearing and onto the streets where he was able to kill people on the streets of Waukesha? Exactly the same thing that we're now talking about.

It was a DA, a Soros-funded DA, that ultimately made that call and it cost people their lives. It's incredible. It's like their solution to rising crime is just don't prosecute crime. Then the numbers go down. There you go.

Well, it didn't see it. The thing is. Yeah. I mean, that's the funniest thing is they actually straight face. Yeah. Right. And we have the example of San Francisco laying out for the world to see. Look what happens when you stop prosecuting crime. Look what happens when theft is no longer associated with any sort of sentencing guidelines whatsoever. Well, you have every store that's that's within walking distance of downtown that's been looted over the last. Well, let's just make sure they're wearing their masks. Well, you know, if they're doing a stick up job, got to make sure their masks, if they're not masked, we're going to prosecute that. Well, it's very convenient, by the way, to have the mask. That's a good point. That's the one circumstance where people would be pro mask it's so absurd you think about the people like okay so i'm an armed robber with a gun i go in

to stick up a store in new york city and of course these store owners it's always like the guy at the kiosk they don't have a lot of dough you know it's like the guy at the deli um these are small business owners so they get they get stuck up uh by a guy who does have a gun and the guy doesn't get prosecuted for more than petty larceny as long as he doesn't shoot somebody or creating a genuine risk of physical harm? What if somebody has an actual gun with bullets in it and shoots and misses me, but hits the clerk? You know, it's like, this is insane, an insane way to enforce the criminal law. I'll give you guys the last word. Yeah, no, I mean, the only good thing about this is that stuff like this can't hold in the democracy, right? Because the only thing that makes people more irritated than your education for your kids is the fact that they're unsafe. Right. If you're unsafe in the streets of your community, you do something about it. It's happened in every community. You mentioned New York previously in the 90s under Giuliani. The time is coming for these people. They're all going to be thrown out of office at some point. I just hope they don't do too much damage before we get them. Exactly. That's how I feel about the San Francisco DA, you know, the mayor out there. She's like, now it's talking tough. It's like, okay, well,

what about all the people who got hurt before you saw the light? Because your community found itself completely crime infested. Guys, I only wish we had two more hours. It's such a pleasure. I love your show. I love talking to you. Please come back. Yeah, we will absolutely do that. And we're going to play a game with you at some point on Ruthless Variety Program. I've got some in mind. Oh, I'm excited. I'm into games. I'll do it.

I'm going to regret that. See you soon, guys. Don't forget to check it out. Ruthless. You'll be glad you did. Up next, Kelly's Court is back in session. We take a look at a bizarre situation down under involving Novak Djokovic, who's like being held in Australia because he didn't get a vaccine.

He claims he has a medical exemption. My God, it's crazy what they're doing to the world's number one tennis player. How can they get away with this? Plus analysis on the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict, which may be about to get thrown out. Anne Elizabeth Holmes. Court is now in session. Kelly's court, that is. And we've got a trio of hot cases to discuss. We're going to begin with high drama down under. The world's number one tennis player, Novak

Djokovic, is currently being held in a quarantine hotel, facing possible deportation from Australia, where he is trying to play in the Australian Open. Trial attorney Arthur Idalla is here with me to discuss it, along with former federal prosecutor Lise Weill. So both of you guys have prosecuted cases. Now, Arthur, you defend them, and Lise writes books and so on. But this is like a novel. I can't believe that they have taken, this isn't some no-name loser. This is like one of the most famous people on earth. And I guess he got a visa to come in, but then they decided to mark him anyway as possibly unvaccinated. And you tell me, Lise, what is now happening and going to happen to him? Well, he's waiting, as you said, Megan, hi, in detention. And he's going to be there until Monday when they have another hearing on it. But

look, the prime minister is very adamant in saying the rules are the rules. I mean, it doesn't matter who you are. If you're not vaccinated and you don't have some kind of medical exemption or religious exemption, then you're not going to be allowed into the country. And, yeah, it's crazy that he's been there that long. And, yeah, it's crazy there's been a mix up. But if that's the bottom line and he hasn't been vaccinated and there is no exemption, he should be out of there. You know, Megan, I'm a big fan of common sense. Right. And I'm a big and I'm a big fan of the prime minister looking at his country as a whole. How much money does that tennis tournament bring into the citizens of Australia?

Number one. Number two, you're not talking about some schmuck who wants to come in and he's ranked 4,000. You're talking about a guy who has the finances to absolutely, totally isolate, to get tested every 15 minutes if they want him to. And although the rules are the rules, Lisa, as the prime minister, you are allowed to make exceptions.

No, no. What kind of exceptions? Excuse me. We don't pardon people for crimes. We don't let people, prime ministers and presidents, don't let people out of jail who have been sentenced. Don't let them commit the crime. I mean, come on, Arthur. What kind of message is that? It's not a crime. It is not a crime. Of course, when you're the prime minister, it's all about crime it is not a crime it's that it's about of course when you're the prime minister it's all about money it's all about money wait wait wait wait wait but hold on but hold on and i'll give you the floor at least that what they're saying is that he received a

medical exemption um before he got there and now it seems like the feds and the state over there are sort of pointing the finger at each other over who gave him that exemption. But here's what's weird to me. The reports are that they singled him out upon landing in Australia, not because they were like, hmm, medical exemption, but because they were like, he publicly decried vaccine mandates, not even just vaccines, vaccine mandates, and therefore said, red flag, let's look further into this case, which this is nuts. This is very, very big brothery. I don't see it that way. Look, he said he's been out there on social media saying he doesn't believe in vaccination, that nobody should be mandated. But the rules, I mean, I'm sorry, repeating myself. The rules are the rules. It's required in Australia to have the vaccine.

And if you want to come in, he's coming in as a guest of the country. I don't care. I mean, obviously, I care. These are these rich and all that. But it shouldn't matter. I mean, that because the message that that would send to the rest of the Australian populace. Let me see if I can, let me see if I can persuade you with this argument. Okay. Okay. Unlike let's, I'll just say myself, my body is not exactly my temple, but, but his body is right. I mean, this is,

you are talking about one of the greatest athletes to have ever walked the planet earth and he watches very much like tom brady and michael and phelps all of these he watches every little ounce that goes into his body whether it be lack of alcohol whether it be organic romaine lettuce steroids Steroids. I would say. No, just kidding. I have no evidence of that. For this particular person, under these circumstances, a medical exemption,

which Australia does have, Australia does have a medical exemption, it should be employed. No, because it's not going to apply here. A medical exemption means if you can't take the vaccine for some reason you just made my argument even stronger which is that he has no medical exemption how do you know we don't know how does he know how does he what happens if he does and he has a reaction that

ends his tennis career this is a guy who's vying for the championship of all grand slams of all time he's tied in a three-way tie. They don't come to Australia where those are the rules. Go play somewhere else where those aren't the rules. You can't play outside of the game. Can I just say something? Try to play by the rules. Try to play by the rules. Whether he deserves the medical exemption or not

doesn't change the effect on the Australian population. Let's say he legitimately can't get it for some reason. He's still going to go over there unvaccinated. So if Australia allows some people to be there unvaccinated because they have medical exemptions or whatever it is, then why wouldn't they allow Novak Djokovic, who, as Arthur points out, can absolutely stay completely isolated away from every he is, as I understand it, the defending champ at the Australian Open, number one in the world, going to generate tons of money for the Australians. Why wouldn't they say, we will allow you to do it? You speak to no one, get near no one. You're already here for God's

sake. Because those are special applications, special rules, bending the rules, however you want to say it, that wouldn't be given if you or I tried to do the same thing. And that's not. But you or I are not the defending. We're not the defending. It doesn't matter because you're making a money argument, Arthur. And this is not a money argument. This is a health argument. This is a rules argument.

That can be checked. When I started off by saying, can we make it a common sense argument? And what Megan just said is he's going to be totally isolated. He's going to be away from everybody. And so that's not really a health argument. He's going to be away from everybody. And so that's not really a health argument. He's still playing on the 17th. Again, they wouldn't allow us in. Why should they allow him in?

It's like his little germs. He's a special individual. I just say, it's not like tennis is not like football where they're on top of each other. You know, it's like he's there and nobody's anywhere near him. I think this is crazy. The ball boys, the ball girls, the umpires, the fans.

Omicron is spread. Again, I'm not going to get into the medical part of this because that's for the doctors to do. And if they decide there's no medical exemption, which Arthur kindly made that point just fantastically for me, then he doesn't apply under the rules. And that's not fair to treat rich and famous people differently than they would treat the rest of us. don't know i would agree with you if it was some rich and

famous person who wanted to take their yacht into sydney okay so there's no exemption and i i will tell you my medical exemption is this the way tom brady will not have an ounce of sugar in his diet will not touch alcohol their their bodies are different than ours. They monitor everything that goes into their body. And as vaccinated as we all are, his doctor, his trainers may be saying, listen, we do not know what reaction you're going to have if you take this vaccine. We do not want you to take it. As healthy as his body is, he apparently tested positive for COVID in 2020.

And he was fine. And he was fine. Then he has natural immunity. Then he doesn't need the vaccine. All right, wait, wait. Can I ask you, Arthur? We're going to post on YouTube. We always post about two hours after the show ends. Can I put up your polar bear plunge photo since you've referenced your temple body?

Absolutely. What about mine, Megan? You've been doing this for years so you might as well and you know megan since since you brought up something personal the one personal thing i wanted to discuss with you is starting on monday here in new york city i'm gonna have my very own radio show what stop it you are yeah yeah exciting megan kelly is gonna do kelly's quote with me every once in a while the way arthur idalla does megan ke with Megan Kelly. Oh, that is, I'm, I'm in. Cause I know all your tricks. We're going to do evening drive here, 6 to 7 PM in New York city.

Awesome. Wait, where, what channel? How do we find you? 9 70 AM. It's Joe Piscopo does the morning show and John Katzmatidis, who's the billionaire who ran for mayor, is going to be five to six and I'm going to be six to seven. So that is so fun. Oh, my gosh. Done. We'll be there anytime. Lisa and I will go and we'll give him a hard time. Right. Get John in on it. OK, so let's move on. Fascinating stuff happening in the Ghislaine Maxwell case. I genuinely want to know what you guys think is going to happen on this. She was convicted five out of six counts, sex trafficking, conspiracy, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sex activity. These are bad,

bad charges. She's going away for the rest of her life if this verdict stands. She's already 60. And then you can almost see the moment her lawyer went to see her in her cell to tell her, you may have been granted a lifeline. One of the jurors spoke out to Reuters and to the Independent and identified himself only by his first and middle names, Scotty David, and said some things that may get this entire verdict thrown out. Talked about how he had been the victim of sexual abuse as a child and about how he mentioned it and used it to persuade some of the other jurors in the jury deliberation room to vote guilty, people who are on the fence. And that would, I guess, be okay if he hadn't failed to disclose that on his juror questionnaire. He didn't disclose it. He claimed he didn't even see it on there. It was on there. And now he's saying, oh, well, I just rushed right through all the answers. And now, as I understand, at least, both the prosecution went in there and asked the judge

to take a look at this and to possibly reevaluate the verdict. And the defense wants a mistrial. They're like, throw it out right now. So what do you think is going to happen? Well, they're going to have to investigate. I mean, from a prosecutor's point of view, you know, you want jurors in there who, as Arthur would say, use their common sense, bring their experience, and that's all okay to share that. And if that's all it was, it would be fine. But if he didn't, and I don't think we're 100% clear that he didn't check that box saying he'd been sexually abused, but there certainly wasn't any follow-up with him, which leads us to think that he didn't

check the box. Well, there'd be no issue if he had checked it. There'd be no issue. Okay. So he's claiming he flew through it and that. Well, there'd be no issue if he had checked it. There'd be no issue. Okay. So he's claiming he flew through it and that's why. So there was no intent there to deceive. But Arthur and I, Megan, we've all seen cases where there's this stealth juror, you know, jurors that want to get on the jury panel. Why? Not because they want to mete out justice, but because they want a book deal.

They want fame after it so they can talk about what's happened. If that's the case here and there's a shown intent to not check that box and get on that jury, then he should never have been on the jury. And I would agree that the judge has got to follow through on that, perhaps declare a new trial. Arthur, I don't think intent matters. I think if he did not check that box and the prosecution, the defense or the judge in this case was doing some of the questioning of the jurors who said they had suffered, some of the potential jurors did check the box and say, I'd been a victim of sexual abuse. And the judge would follow up saying, could you be fair in a case like this that involves alleged sexual abuse? Or would you be biased towards the prosecution and the

alleged victims? And then the jurors, of course, I mean, some say, no, I couldn't. And they're dismissed. And some say, yes, I could. And some who want to write books might say, yes, I could, even though they secretly could not. But this guy wasn't subjected to any of that. So I don't think it matters what his intent was. I think this verdict could go away from the mere fact that he didn't disclose it. No one got to ask him about it. And then he admitted to using it to sway jurors in the deliberation room. So as you guys know, I, my firm, we tried the Harvey Weinstein case, and then we just argued the appeal last December the 15th.

And it's a major issue on appeal. It was one of the two issues that were really argued to the judges, because in that particular case, a juror had just written a book that was not published, so we couldn't read the book yet. It was about to be published. And she was asked in jury selection, does that have to do with similar facts and circumstances that about here, about a predatory man on a young person? And she answers no. And then the book comes out and there's more details. She lied a couple of points along the way and the book comes out and it is about a predatory male, a teacher going after younger people. So it's the exact same issue here, except Harvey's case is in state court, which the law is actually more in favor than in federal court. And I'm going to read to you exactly the United States Supreme Court case from last year. It's a two-part test

in federal court where Ms. Maxwell is. One, a party must first demonstrate that a juror failed to answer honestly a material question during jury selection and then show that a correct response would have provided a valid basis for a challenge for cause. So to break that down, it means that this person should have checked off yes in the questionnaire. And then if the judge questioned that person and that person's answers gave the defense a reason to challenge that juror, then it looks like there should be a reversal here. It is a higher bar in the federal court than in the state court. So we will find out, but it is definitely an appellate issue that the trial judge now, because she hasn't been sentenced yet, so it's still not an appellate issue. It's still for that trial judge to decide. But even if the trial judge says, nah, it wasn't enough, she then could raise it on appeal after her sentence.

And Arthur, it's even worse here than in your case, because Davis himself, Scotty Davis himself, says that what he said swayed the jurors. Remember, they were out for some 40, 50 hours. And he said what he said actually swayed them. So if that's all true, he didn't check the box, was it questioned? I really do think it's a bad issue for the prosecution. Yeah, another jury in Harvey's case said, though, that the woman who wrote the book was very forceful

and very powerful in the jury room during the deliberations. And Harvey's jury, I think, went out Monday and came back the following Monday. So they're very similar. Believe me, when my team was reading about what happened in the Maxwell case, we were like, wow, this is really dangerous. Wait, so Arthur, was the juror at issue in the Harvey Weinstein case writing a novel?

She had written a novel, and she claimed that it was a novel but then after the verdict but before the the uh so after he's found guilty but before her book comes out she's doing these um interviews and she's like it's a novel but it was basically autobiographical and i'm the person who gets molested in the book oh oh yeah well that's getting a little similar. I don't know. I think this is problematic. I mean, I, I actually I'd be feeling pretty hopeful if I were Ghislaine Maxwell right now that this verdict gets thrown out. That doesn't mean she's free. She would be retried. And the prosecution is not going to say, oh, well, we screwed up with this one juror, not even them, but that there was a screw up with this one juror. But man, I bet Scotty David is really sorry that he decided to give interviews. It's like, it's just no upside. Yeah. Unless that's what he wanted the whole time.

I mean, he didn't realize right. When he said that, that that might mean that the whole, the, you know, the whole thing would be reversed. He may not have realized that maybe he was one of these self jurors that

wanted to now get the publicity and then a book. Maybe. Right. He should go by his real name. Yeah. maybe he was one of these self jurors that wanted to now get the publicity and then a book maybe right the outcome is the same he should go by his real name yeah the prosecution actually came to the judge and said hey you got to take a look at this so they've been honest we're right about let me shift gears and i want to stay on on maxwell for a minute and more more epstein because i'm also really interested in the prince andrew aspect of this So I heard a lot of people saying like, oh, he should be worried now that Ghislaine was convicted. Forget the juror issue, but there was a conviction. I don't know if that's true. I think if Ghislaine were going to start naming

names and telling details, she would have already done it. The prosecution didn't seem to be interested in offering her a deal for those kinds of details, at least according to what we read in the press. But what has emerged now, because he's been sued by Virginia Giuffre, maiden name Roberts, and this is the one who, I don't think there's any question Jeffrey Epstein abused her, Jeffrey Epstein trafficked her to a number of men, but Virginia Roberts Dufresne has named many, many men as on the receiving end of those offerings. And one of them is Prince Andrew. Another one is our pal Alan Dershowitz. And I've said publicly before, because I did take a deep dive into this before I did a long interview with Alan last fall. I don't believe he did a thing to Virginia Roberts.

I don't believe that. If you look at the history of her statements- Thank you, Megan. I'll put you on the jury. I'll put you on the jury when I'm representing Allen. Good. I hope you do. Because if you look at the history of her statements about Allen, they're deeply troubling. They're all over the board. And she clearly was egged on to name him by somebody who thought she'd get more publicity if she included a star lawyer like Allen in the list of defendants. And the objective evidence doesn't support it. I'm not looking.

I could be wrong. I'd be shocked if I were. I stand by Allen on that one. But I believe she was a victim. And I don't know about Prince Andrew. But now what we've learned is that she's filed a civil lawsuit against him. We knew that against Prince Andrew. Now he's trying to get out of it, guys, because she got a $500,000 settlement from Jeffrey Epstein years ago, Virginia did. And that seemed to try to give a blanket of immunity,

stop her ability to sue many third party beneficiaries of the settlement agreement, including ones who were known to her as her abusers at the time. And she had already said in her complaint against Epstein at the time, she'd been trafficked out by him to royalty so Andrew's lawyers are going into court now to say you have to dismiss this lawsuit against him he was a third-party beneficiary of the settlement she signed with Jeffrey Epstein years ago and so far the judge doesn't seem too warm to that argument but what are your thoughts on prince andrew and how the hell he gets out of this lawsuit i think it's problematic for him because i don't think that that settlement that she signed with epstein is going to hold water against and

prince andrew and here's why the she can be subpoenaed. And that subpoena to testify in a criminal or civil trial will outweigh that private agreement, right? It's going to pierce that private agreement. She's suing him civilly. And he's saying it's barred because you already agreed that you wouldn't sue me. It's not, though, because that agreement, the thing that we're all looking at is that agreement with the settlement that says, you know, she can't talk. There's nobody else involved or, you know, other third parties. But she can be subpoenaed and that subpoena will trump the settlement and she'll have to testify. And if she testifies that Andrew was in there, the game starts all over again.

This doesn't sound right. Am I confused? Because we bring a civil lawsuit, you're the plaintiff. Listen, as everyone knows or you know, I represent Alan Dershowitz in this matter and he's around it. So I listened to the hour and a half argument on the phone in front of Judge Lewis Kaplan, who's like

a storied Southern District judge who, and you're correct, did not sound like he was leaning in Prince Andrew's direction. But the argument was she, although at least you're correct, if she's subpoenaed, she can be forced to testify. But she's the one who's bringing the suit. And they're saying, you can't bring a suit because when you accepted $500,000, that was the end of it. And the way Prince Andrew is uniquely situated is it refers to you can't charge anyone who's royalty. And they're saying that was a veiled reference to Prince Andrew. He was the only one she's ever said she's been abused by

who's royalty and royalty is Prince Andrew, you accept $500,000 in return. You're giving up your right to sue him. You are, your damages are being awarded or being rewarded, or you're being, you're getting a benefit because of your damages, because of what happened to you from Jeffrey Epstein and from Prince Andrew and from anyone else in that circle. So you give up your rights. Prince Andrew is not named in that settlement, just royalty, as you said. And again, if this now goes into a criminal, which it hasn't yet, but if it goes, it could go into a criminal charge.

Forget about the civil lawsuit. It goes into a criminal charge against Prince Andrew. She will be subpoenaed. What about the whole thing is about civil? I don't think he's going to get charged. Prince Andrew is not going to get charged. She's trying to sue him to get money from Prince Andrew. And their argument is you already got the money. You got the money. This is a huge deal. This is a huge deal in the UK. Huge deal in the UK. If Prince Andrew actually has to sit for a deposition, if he has to settle this case, God forbid, on his behalf, if he had to, if he were found civilly liable, stripped of royal duties, which has already happened

after that disastrous interview he gave. But I mean, he could face a lot of penalties over there. And he could basically, especially once we have a King Charles instead of a Queen Elizabeth, you know, that he's already talking about narrowing the scope of who's within sort of the royal family and gets all the benefits and all that. I mean, Prince Andrew's got a lot riding on how this case comes out. It's fascinating to me. I got to switch gears because I only have a couple minutes.

Talk about Elizabeth Holmes. Another fascinating woman to me. I mean, she definitely, you know, she definitely misled people. There's no question. She's found guilty of misleading investors, though not patients. And I wonder what you think is going to happen to her and how long she's likely looking at in terms of sentencing. Arthur, I'll start with you on that one. I followed the case a little bit. It was a long trial. There were a lot of

witnesses. And I mean, she did assemble really smart people around her. And it doesn't sound like it was all smoke and mirrors. It sounded like there was a real product there that she was possibly had this blood test that was super fast, et cetera, et cetera. And there's that, as you said, the jury has spoken, but there's that fine line between a business being a legitimate business and then falling apart and then just straight up fraud. So I don't know this judge. I mean, unlike the judges we're talking about here in New York, I do know those judges. But I mean, she's not going to get a life sentence or anything like that. Do I think she's going to see the inside of a jail cell?

Yes. The people who got hurt here are not exactly like, you know, people who gave up their pensions to invest. No, it's not ma and pa shop owners. Right. Exactly. But that's what was wrong, I think, with the way the prosecution put this together, is they focused primarily on the investors and the fraud there and not on the patients. They had 32 witnesses, I think. They have three. I know they have three witnesses that were patient witnesses. You know how much time those three witnesses actually took the stand? A total of 65 minutes for all three of them, nine minutes for one dentist to talk about how the test results had come back and what it did to him. I mean,

people were really hurt, real people, not just moguls who invested with her. This woman should see some serious time. Each count carries 20 years as a max. She won't get that. I mean, you know, worst case scenario, they run consecutively. It won't. They'll push them all together. But I don't know.

I'm saying under five, Megan. That's my number. Under five. Yeah, five years. Under five. I've seen, I've watched so many podcasts on her and so on, but there's a,

there's a great, it's on HBO Max documentary called The Inventor on her that I'm in the middle of now. It's just fascinating how she managed to fool so many people. And where do we draw the line

between, you know, optimism and fraud? It raises all sorts of interesting questions. You guys, thank you so much. It's a pleasure,

Arthur and Lise. Arthur, I'll talk to you on Monday on your radio show. Happy New Year. Listen, don't miss the show tomorrow. We've got Sergeant Stuart Scheller. Remember him? Spoke out about Afghanistan, forced out of the military. He's here tomorrow.

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