The Megyn Kelly Show - Jen Psaki Caught Lying About Biden, and Michael Cohen Celebrated by Media, with the Ruthless Podcast Hosts | Ep. 791

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Megyn Kelly is joined by Josh Holmes, Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, and John Ashbrook, hosts of the Ruthless podcast, to discuss Jen Psaki lying her book about President Biden checking his watch during the Afghanistan fallen soldiers ceremony, her attempts to paint him in a better light, bringing up Beau Biden to excuse her lies, Jen Psaki's comments about Kristi Noem's book last week, Ashley Biden confirming the diary was really hers, her mention of inappropriate showers with her father Joe Biden, the media ignoring the story and the double standard when it comes to reporting on Trump and his family, the strange reenactment of Trump trial testimony on CNN, MSNBC praising Michael Cohen as "Agatha Christie" and the son of a Holocaust survivor, the cozy relationship between Cohen and the media, the audio files revealing his private discussions with former CNN president Jeff Zucker and host Chris Cuomo, how it reveals the shadiness of the press, the new New York Times poll showing Trump up huge over Biden in swing states, whether Trump could actually win the Hispanic vote, Trump and Biden tied among young voters, Robert F. Kennedy's comments seemingly supporting full-term abortion during interview with Sage Steele, his VP attempting to clarify the comments and RFK walking it back, potential for convention chaos, and more. More from Ruthless: https://www.youtube.com/ruthlesspodcast Follow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Oh, we have a lot to get to today. I think you're going to enjoy today's show. Michael Cohen back on the stand this morning in the business records trial of former President Donald Trump. You will not believe, well, maybe you will, the way the media described this liar overnight. He's Agatha Christie, according to Rachel Maddow. Exactly identical, identical. Meantime, Jen Psaki's book came out last week and her publisher is now having to correct, quote, inaccuracies. You could also call them lies.

She didn't kill her puppy, but this, quote, mistake. Notice the change in language of the media is talking about her might be worse than Kristi Noem's. Not not might be. It actually is. It's absolutely disgusting. Joining me now, Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook and the man known to his minions as Comfortably Smug. Together, they are the hosts of Ruthless, the program now available on YouTube at youtube.com slash Ruthless Podcast. Guys, welcome back. Great to see you. Great to see you, Megan. Always a pleasure. Good to be back. I've got such goodness for you again. Honestly, we pull out all the stops when we know our pals from Ruthless are coming on. I'm going to start with Jen Psaki because I think what she did is so gross.

And she's just gross. So she has written a book. Let me see if I can find that. I have so many papers today. Kelly McGuire, tell me what page this is on, if you can, in my packet. She's written a book. And in her book, she decided that it might be a good idea to describe and rehabilitate President Biden's incident at Andrews Air Force Base when the remains of our fallen soldiers in Afghanistan were returned after his debacle of a withdrawal from that war. And the name of her book is Say More Lessons from Work, the White House and the World. And I guess her lessons are when something bad happens, you just lie about it. And that makes

perfect sense, given that she was his press secretary and now she works for MSNBC. Here is what she wrote. This is per Axios, which has a copy. The president, now this is when Ed Andrews, when he, you know, infamously looked at that watch as the remains were in front of him. Per Axios, Taki writes, the president looked at his watch only after the ceremony had ended. He, moments later, he and the first lady headed toward their car. She also writes that Biden's critics were engaged in, quote, misinformation and huge use the image to make him appear insensitive, concerned only about how much time had passed. OK, none of that is true. He checked his watch during the ceremony repeatedly, not just once during. Look at this. This is while the bodies are still in front of him. He tries to slide it in there.

He looks at his watch. Even his most ardent defenders at the time who tried to fact check the claims that he checked his watch had to wind up admitting. All right, he did. In fact, he didn't just do it that once. He did it repeatedly. He wanted to get the thing over with. He was sick. There he is again. He was sick and tired of having to stand there and honor the fallen soldiers at Dover. We've talked about it repeatedly on this show. I'm sure you guys have talked about it as well. And she has the nerve to try to launder that moment in advance of an election by saying it wasn't until the whole thing was over. It is a lie and it is a material lie. She told in that book. Now her account is not only at odds with what we saw with our eyes, but with fact checks

done at the time, news agencies, photos from the ceremony at Dover and statements from gold star families. Hold on a second. This is from Axios here. Mark Schmitz, the father of Marine Lance Corporal Jared Schmitz. Schmitz told Congress in April of 2023 that, quote, while I stood there on the tarmac. No, actually, we have the sock cut. Let's watch it. Well, I stood there on the tarmac. No, actually, we have the sock cut. Let's watch it. While I stood there on the tarmac, watching you check your watch over and over again, all I wanted to do was shout out, it's 2 fucking 30, asshole. But out of respect to the other grieving families, I bit my tongue once again. God bless him.

I'm so sorry for his loss, and you can feel his anger. And Jen Psaki calls him a liar by putting this lie of her own in her book. She's looking those Gold Star families in the face and saying, you lied. You put out misinformation to hurt our dear president. I'm the only one who will tell you the truth. She put it in her book, which she then read in audio form. And this is the same person who a week ago was out there lambasting Kristi Noem for lying in

her book. At least she just lied about a dumb ass meeting with a world leader. It's a lie that's dumb to tell, but of no consequence. This is a middle finger to the gold star families. And there's been no apology. What she's done so far is first not respond when she was asked for comment by Axios. And then after they published their story, she said the detail in a few lines of the book about the exact number of times he looked at his watch will be removed in future reprints about the e-book. Then she makes it about Beau Biden because he's the go-to of the entire White House team. Whenever controversy hits, she tries to say the story on Afghanistan is really about

the importance of delivering feedback, even when it's difficult. Told through my own experience of telling President Biden that his own story of loss was not well received by the families who were grieving their sons and daughters. You see, I got it. I understand he shouldn't have brought up Beau Biden as then she does right here to excuse her own lie and her offense caused to the poor gold star families. It's absolutely egregious. And by the way, no apology, zero apology to the gold Star families, six of whom spoke to the New York Post and have demanded a retraction and an apology from her. Nothing. Look at this. How dare she insult them in an effort to score political points for her heartless boss. What do you guys make of it? Well, it's disgusting. You know, I haven't read her trash book, obviously, as I imagine many people in your

audience haven't either. But I wonder, you know, while she was busily excusing him for checking his watch and disrespecting families to their face, whether she got into the fact that none of those families would have been there in the first place if it wasn't for Joe Biden and the egregious missteps and just all out callousness as it dealt with our armed forces who had been at that point 20 years into a mission of trying to withdraw at the height of the fighting season so he could make a deadline of a 20th anniversary of 9-11, which is what this is all about. I mean, none of those families would be there in that first place if he didn't want to do a big ceremony on 9-11 announcing that he had ended the war in Afghanistan. Like never mind the fact that the facts on the ground didn't support what he was trying to do or he put their lives in danger. He got him killed. Like just just be honest with it they would not have died if not for that decision making so is watch whatever you know like yes she's a liar but i i i made the mistake years ago

of assuming that everyone who speaks for the biden administration had no training at all i i think they had tons of training because I don't know how you can straight face lie so often without having some sort of at least remedial course in sociology. Well, it's a great point. But one way one way you can straight face lie so frequently is if you have a receptive audience. And Democrats certainly have that in the mainstream press. We always say that the easiest job in town is Democrat press secretary because they can say whatever they want, and it will lead the story as if they're the hero and the Republicans are always quoted at the very bottom.

And I think that conditions people like Jen Psaki into like this false sense of reality that, oh, you just lie, you'll get away with it, just lie. Nobody's gonna notice. Well, he was on camera and everybody, including that very, very sad story of that guy who I mean, Megan, like that video was heartbreaking. I feel so bad for that guy. And people like Jen Psaki just think they can lie to them and then move on to the next thing, the next cocktail party. And then say it's misinformation. The nerve of this woman to say it's misinformation to claim.

Otherwise, she knows very well that the Gold Star families are on record as saying it happened. Keep going, Ashbrook. No, I mean, you said it very well. It's just it is infuriating. And it is very infrequent that they get caught in the lies that they tell on a daily basis. But I think that's why it's so important that people like you, Megan, and people that are listening to this show are actively, vigilantly watching this president in this White House because you know that the media is not. And so it's dependent on your audience, Megan. It's dependent on people like you. It's depending on people like us at the Variety program to hold them accountable. You can only really understand.

Duncan and Smug, let me – yeah, go ahead, Duncan. Go ahead. Well, I was going to say the only way you can really understand how somebody can be so successful at being such a bald faced liar is understanding this revolving door between liberal dark money groups, government, and then media. I mean, Jen Psaki came up in her career in a liberal dark money group and then waltzed her way right into the White House to be a spokesperson for the president of the United States. And then when she got tired of that job, she's on national television every single night. Like when you live a life like that, that's how you become a liar with no remorse. That's right. Yeah. But I mean, we pulled this a couple of weeks ago when Ronna McDaniel got

booted from the RNC. No, when she got booted from NBC, right after like a couple of weeks ago when Ronna McDaniel got booted from the RNC. No, when she got booted from NBC, right after like a day of service. Jen Psaki goes on her failing show at MSNBC. And maybe the audience remembers this. I compared her at the time to Dora the Explorer. She was like, I'm here for truth. I listen to what she said, how she described that path you just described. Duncan, listen. Some, mainly in the right wing ecosystem,

have made the comparison to others who have come from government or politics into the media, including me. And that is a comparison I felt like I had to address. I got into public service for the same reason that many people do, to serve the American people. And there are many others who have followed a similar path, who I have a great deal of respect for. But here's the thing, that kind of experience only matters and only has value to viewers, all of you, if it is paired with honesty and with good faith. democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have

pushed on this country. Oh, my God. OMG. And that's the thing. I'm just going to show you the Dora clip because you weren't here. Here it is. To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our kitty tails. Here we got the mermaid freak.

Yay! Same person. That's a perfect comparison. Even the voice sounds the same. Are we sure Saki didn't do the voiceover for Nora? Is that another gig that she had on the way there? Do you believe those, Pug? I'm here to serve the American people.

It only matters if it's paired with honesty and good faith and not lies. That's the thing, is cloaking all of that bad faith under protecting democracy and saying any facts that are inconvenient to you are misinformation. Her books have been lying for the Bidens, not lessons from the White House, because she ran the same playbook when Joe was running the first time. They lied about Hunter's laptop. Their game plan during the election season is they have to try to make everyone trick them again into believing that, oh, Joe Biden, he's nice Uncle Joe. He's a nice guy. He's not the callous monster who sits and looks at his watch

when the soldiers who were killed because of him are being brought back to the country. I mean, that's unbelievable to do that as a president and to send out a spokesperson. She's still his spokesperson. Now she just gets to do it on MSNBC. To send out a spokesperson, she's still his spokesperson. Now she just gets to do it on MSNBC. To send out your spokesperson and try to lie to the American people again and say that didn't happen, don't trust your lying eyes, it's disgusting. It is disgusting. And then when caught, to just say misinformation at his critics, you know, and now when caught red-handed on those lies to say, oh, this small detail of exactly what the timing was will be corrected. No, that goes to the very heart of the matter. Depending on when the timing was, there's either a huge controversy or there's absolutely nothing.

You changing the time of when he looked at that watch changes the story into a nothing falsely. That's why this gold star dad was so pissed off the timing of it in the, in the shot we played. That's why the six families are speaking in the New York post immediately saying, this is bullshit. This is whitewashing. She, she knows very well. This isn't some minor edit of like, Oh gee, I said 915 when I really meant 920. She completely changed the facts. And by the way, guys, as I mentioned, she was on The View. Was it last week? Ripping Kristi Noem on her book controversy. Watch this last week. I've also never worked for somebody who's lied about a foreign leader they've met with. And Alyssa made this point.

This is so true. Meeting with Kim Jong-un, there are a handful of people who have ever done this. It's very knowable. I just wrote a book. You read the book a thousand times. So many times. You read it out loud. When you're doing the audio book, you think, oh, you need a comma there.

That weird word is strange. When she said, and I met with Kim Jong-un, did she think to herself, I didn't meet with Kim Jong-un. When you read the audio book, you think about it a thousand times. That was my takeaway. You need a comma there. She's a liar.

She read the book a thousand times where it said, the president looked at his watch only after the ceremony had ended. This is a huge story. It was a huge story. Got coverage everywhere. She knows damn well that this matters. And either she didn't understand it at the time it actually happened and didn't bother to do any fact checking before she put this lie in her book, understanding that it could anger gold star families or she lied throughout my money's on the ladder. I think she's a liar. By the way, no comment yet from MSNBC either, which they should do. They need to also make a comment saying we regret her error. She's going to make a make

it right. And we're sorry. And then maybe put her on the air. But that's the same network that's employing Joy Reid, who lied to us about the FBI investigating who hacked her blog after mysteriously when she was the only one ever posting on it. All these homophobic comments appeared on it. But that's a federal crime lying to the FBI. Does she actually tell that shit to the FBI? Because she should be in jail if that's true. Well, you know, it's a funny thing. It's not an isolated incident.

Obviously, we saw all of the lies that she had as as press secretary, like the one that I remember the most. Do you remember early on in the Biden administration when they had the border security, the border patrol on the horse? Yes, that was awful. And there was this left-wing outfit that said that this border patrol agent was whipping people. And immediately the press office in the Biden administration jumps to it, takes this absolutely hook, line, and sinker, and they they eliminate all kinds of things they demonize the border patrol they they keep with the lie and then it turns out you know you find out a week later none of that is true it was it was a literally the reins on a horse like as anyone who's ever ridden a horse can attest but they didn't walk any of that back and the damage was done.

And the impressions amongst the Biden base voters only further deteriorated for border security personnel. I mean, it's not just the gold star father. It's anyone who gets in their way. And I think you said it best, Ashbrook, remorseless is the key. Anybody who speaks for a living is going to make an A error along the way. The question is whether you feel bad about it and you correct the record after the fact. We've all had to do that in some form or fashion. And own it. They don't. And own it. And they don't, she doesn't, doesn't even occur to her that that's

a responsibility. She can't apologize to the Gold Star families because this was intentional and she knows it. There's no way of saying this was an innocent mistake. This was a huge deal. She understands very well as the press secretary at the time what she was doing. She knew perfectly well, and she decided to take the hit because she's running cover for him. She wants abortion on demand more than she wants an honest relationship with her listeners, readers, viewers. And that's very obvious. I wasn't going to get to this story until later, but I'm going to bring it up now because we're talking about what a swell guy Joe Biden is. So, so swell.

And how the media runs cover for him. Now, do you guys remember, not only in their campaign of 16, but during Trump's presidency, how many news stories there were about Trump and his weird obsession with his daughter, Ivanka. He's like, got the hots for his daughter. Look how he touched her waist at the Republican National Convention in 16. Remember, didn't you read a bunch of this stuff? Oh, yeah. The media love this story. Like he's he's creepy. He's a perv. There's something between him and the daughter. How many stories have you read about Joe Biden and his daughter? Approximately none, because the media has run full cover for Joe Biden on what was in the contents of his daughter, Ashley's diary. Now, this diary was stolen by ne'er dowell and then marketed to people like James O'Keefe,

who also now is potentially in trouble with a law, though it's not illegal for a journalist to take stolen goods and publish them. The New York Times did it with Sarah Palin's emails. What's illegal is if the journalist is in on the theft, pays for it, encourages it, that kind of thing. So far, there's no evidence of that that's been made public about James O'Keefe and he denies having done it. But I go back to the criminal case involving the ne'er-do-well. It was some woman allegedly potentially involved in drugs or some sort of nefarious behavior in some house where Ashley Biden had been staying and this person found her diary and then marketed it. And the diary was extremely incendiary. The contents of the diary were

extremely incendiary. And there was a period of time where we didn't know whether it was hers. But then as the case went on and the FBI was involved and they indicted, the DOJ indicted the thief and alleged that this was the Biden diary, we covered it here on this show. We did it carefully and we did it responsibly, but we covered it just as the media would have way sooner in this course of events had it been an Ivanka Trump diary that said anything, nevermind what was in the Ashley diary. And what we have today is an update to the story because this defendant is about to be sentenced. And Ashley Biden herself wrote to Judge Laura Taylor Swain

on April 8th to say she will not be attending the criminal sentencing for the woman who stole her diary, but now she has been sentenced. But she wanted to write a letter about why this woman should get jail time. And the judge just unsealed that letter received from Ashley Biden. This was at the request of The New York Times, which really wanted to see what Ashley Biden was saying. Has The New York Times reported about the diary or the letter?

No, they haven't. They're not reporting on the contest. So no. So there's still running cover. It was a catch and kill for the New York Times. Apparently they based it on the letter. Didn't find it was interesting. Okay. She wrote things like, I am deeply saddened that I even have to write this letter because my personal private journal was stolen and sold for profit. And she goes on to say, please throw the book at her. Now, here is what the diary says, among other things, previously reported by the MK show. This is, let's see, dated 1-30-2019. I've always been boy crazy. I remember pulling up my skirt in second grade and showing the boys

my underpants, hyper-sexualized at a young age, hyper-sexualized at a young age. What is this due to? Was I molested? I think so. I can't remember specifics, but I do remember trauma. I remember not liking the name of some unknown last name house, their house. I remember not liking the name of some unknown last name house, their house. I remember somewhat being sexualized with Caroline. We don't know who that is, but there is a first cousin named Caroline to her. Uh, I remember having sex with friends at a young age, showers with my dad, probably not appropriate, being turned on when I wasn't supposed to be. And then she goes on to call her mother not emotionally available and so on. So here is the daughter of the sitting president saying

she thinks she was molested when she was a child. She remembers the trauma, though not the specifics. In searching for said specifics, she mentions inappropriate showers with her father and being turned on when she wasn't supposed to be. I'm sorry, but this is a story by any measure, and it gets a complete blackout from the media because they just want to say, well, stolen. Well, now it's on record, just like the Hunter Biden laptop as belonging to the child of the president, who's a grown adult now. And still they won't report. Still, they will protect him. Yeah, there'd be one thing if there was a standard that was adhered to in any form or fashion, right? I mean there was a time like in the Walter Cronkite world of journalism where there was some observance of sort of these kind of scandalous details and the media doesn't get into it because it's not of public record.

Well, that's changed entirely, but it's changed only based on your ideology as a politician i mean if you're if you are a liberal progressive democrat uh again back to the walter cronkite days if you are donald trump i mean can you imagine how fast something like that would find its way to i mean that's the thing here we don't have to imagine like i have made the comparison that uh a prosecutor in new york is going to put a porn star on the stand, have her detail and lurid detail exactly what happens during her time with the president when that same individual still has to eat up and report and just gawk over. But this diary gets zero coverage. And it's even more egregious because details from that diary are corroborated in text messages Hunter sent to his sister, discussions that they had that were found on the laptop, which we were also told was misinformation. None of this is true, and the media didn't want to cover. It's a pattern of the media covering for these people. And it's a pattern that this is Joe Biden's behavior.

Not only has Ashley's diary said these things, Hunter's text messages to her have said the same thing, too. And yet, where's that story? Why am I still reading about Ivanka Trump? To this day, they're obsessed with Trump. That that made its way into the trial that Trump said, allegedly to stormy. You remind me of my daughter, you know, and then the QV. He's got some weird obsession with Ivanka. You know what Ivanka didn't do? She didn't she didn't write in any document we've seen that she took inappropriate showers with her father and that there may have been a history of molestation. I mean, this is outrageous. And it's let's be honest, dovetails perfectly with Joe Biden's public conduct toward young women.

And I'm not afraid to say it. I don't I'm very creeped out by the fact that he seems obsessed with smelling young girls hair, with getting too familiar with them, with crossing boundaries that no older man, no man should be crossing with young women. But there's zero appetite to look into it, to report on it, to probe it at all. Meanwhile, we're spending a whole trial on a one night stand Trump may or may not have had with a porn star who's in the business of sex. Right. Right. Well, it sounds like somebody at the New York Times made the mistake of trying to journalism. Right. And I quickly found its way into the higher assignment editor box where people were like, you have this information uh let's not let's not do that

right and right to your point i mean it's what's the difference between that and what we're accusing david pecker of yeah no i mean to me it sounds if they were the ones who put in the the request for the information and then they were going to sit on it and not do anything with it that sounds like catch and kill like what. That sounds like catch and kill. Like what, how is that not catch and kill? I think somebody should ask them. If I were a media reporter, I would call them and ask them for a comment. And the lead of the story would say the New York Times is engaged in a controversial catch and kill strategy that they will not comment on. I mean, really, don't you think? Just to correct the record, the reason Stormy

owes Trump $500,000 is because the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals sided with Trump in his effort to recoup additional legal fees from Stormy Daniels, who had filed and lost a defamation case against him. So you're correct. She was ordered to pay Trump's attorneys over $120,000 of legal fees, which is on top of the more than $500,000 in court-ordered payments to Trump attorneys she'd been ordered to pay. So in any event, she lost and she lost big and she was supposed to pay legal fees and she didn't do it. So either way, it was a defamation case and she was ordered to pay hundreds of thousands of legal fees, which she didn't do. And she told this jury this week she'd rather go to jail than live up to her court imposed obligations, which ought to tell them a lot. Um, speaking of the Trump trial, you guys, can I pause you just for one minute? Yeah. That

was a regrettable night of all, you know, you think about all the interactions that people have on a day-to-day basis i think that goes down as one of the worst don't invite stormy over the thing for me is i i really commend president trump that he has the self-control that if it actually did happen that he has not dropped a tweet being like I'm the guy porn stars pay half a million because like how does he keep himself from doing that if it happened legal counsel focused on calling her horse face I don't I'm not sure we can call it restrained but you know I was saying this yesterday I'm not even sure it even happened guys. I started this trial 100% being like, okay, obviously he did the night. Um, but I don't believe he knew anything about how it was documented in

the books, et cetera. I really have doubts now. Now that she's tried to change it into a whole me too situation where she allegedly felt threatened or she didn't feel threatened, but she didn't feel like she could leave. And then she did feel a little threatened by the fact that the bodyguard was outside the door and she didn't know if she could get out. Why? Because Trump was sitting on a bed between her exiting the bathroom and the door, which is just called a hotel room. That's how everybody leaves a hotel room. You have to walk past the bed and walk out the front door. I started to disbelieve everything she said. I just don't, I don't know what to believe anymore. And I certainly wouldn't be ready to rule as a matter of law or, you know, reasonable doubt that she actually had an affair with the guy that they

actually did anything. But I will say, I'd love to hear from the bodyguard, his bodyguard, Keith. I've met that guy. Where's he like somebody talked to him and he either said something that was very good for one side or very bad for one side, but doesn't appear anyone has subpoenaed him. So maybe he'll still show up somehow. But wouldn't you love to hear what he saw that night? He was getting the steak and the Diet Coke, Megan. You can't put anything on poor old Keith. I heard she's at the wrong place at the wrong time.

It is remarkable, though. You said it at the top of the show megan that this is a business records case and now it's become this circus where stormy daniels a porn star is testifying to whether she felt safe or unsafe when she went to the hotel room of donald trump after a charity golf event like acting like she was like trafficked there i mean come on who was a weird guy on smbc who was like she looked like a nice mother with her hair up. Yeah.

What is this guy talking about? And not to mention the fact, like, I mean, her own lawyer is now in prison and says that she shouldn't be, that he would be willing to testify for Donald Trump. I mean, what a circus. We can't go by that. Michael Avenatti might be an even bigger liar than Michael Cohen. I mean, it a circus. We can't go by that. Michael Avenatti might be an even bigger liar than Michael Cohen. I mean, it's tough. It's possible. He's the loser who accused Justice Kavanaugh of gang rape. Okay. He is not to be believed. He's a serial liar, but it's

amazing. The cast of characters. This is what I said. I sent out a tweet on this the other day, like not for nothing, but like, don't lie down with dogs. Right. You know what happens. Fair point. A very good lesson for everyone. Yeah.

Don't, I mean, if you're ever on the road, you guys are young strapping men. Don't, don't invite a Stormy Daniels back to your hotel room. Just don't say no. I got to tell you,

we can end right here. Megan Kelly just called us young and strapped. That's all I came for, Megyn. That's the only thing I'd hoped for when we started doing this show a couple of years ago. So we're good. We're good. It's funny.

I'll tell you something funny. There was something, I can't remember what we were doing, but I was on the road. Chris Dyerwalt was there. It might have been a debate. I can't remember. But he was our, you know, election guru at Fox and he was on the decision desk and he and I had to talk about something that had happened that night. So I'm like, why don't you just come back to my room and we'll continue the conversation because it needed to be in private. So he came into my room. Can I tell you, Chris Stryer, well,

sat like by the door. He's so buttoned up. He's so sweet. And I was over here. I'm like, so what did you think about this? He was like sweating. He was like, I do not want this coming back to haunt me. We're good, Skylar. I would never. But it was like, that's what an appropriate person does, right? Like most generally, you know, people feel a little uncomfortable in the hotel room of somebody they don't really know that well. That wasn't Stormy's reaction. Who's she kidding? I think she's got a level of comfort with all of that. That would honestly make me blush a little. She's good. All right. I'm going to squeeze in a quick break and then we come back.

We're going to talk about Trump and the insane stuff happening over on CNN. Oh my God, you can't make it up. But they did. They did. Stand by pals from Ruthless. Stay with us for the show. It's really gotten absolutely absurd in the coverage of the Trump trial. The Trump trial itself is absurd. Michael Cohen, a noted liar, convicted liar. I mean, it's just OK. We're supposed to believe now he's Mother Teresa here or in the case of Rachel Maddow, another very famous figure. Take a listen. It's not too. Today's proceedings, unexpectedly to me, were like that helpful moment in the old Agatha Christie style British detective story. Right. You've been following along more or less.

You know who most of the characters are. You can at least remember most of their names. You know the basic plot of this mystery. But then there is this kindness, this great helpful moment in the story. That was Michael Agatha Christie Cohen today. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I mean, come on, lady. Get out of town.

What does she think she's doing? Agatha Christie. Come on. He's not at all. It's bad enough she stole my haircut 20 years ago. She's calling Michael Cohen, Agatha Christie. Your makeup routine too. Also, what a like boomer nerd.

Right. She's like, remember those Agatha Christie? Oh yeah, with the silent films? Yeah, I got it just through tip of the tongue. I'm glad we pulled that back. Holy cats. Okay, boomer. So yeah, Michael Cohen is rehabilitated.

Yeah, it's a symptom of this problem the media finds themselves in where they're covering the Trump trial like the Super Bowl. I don't know if you've perused the channels at night when you're watching like playoff hockey or whatever, but every night they're out there full panel on CNN and MSNBC, like it's election night. And so they've got these panels of like six people, seven people, four lawyers, you know, they got a whole courtroom themselves there on national television every night. And so they got to fill so much air, you know? And so you get stuff like this as a result of that, I think. What I find so funny- It's worse than you know.

It's worse than you know. Oh, you got more? They've gone from just the panel of lawyers and political pundits to actual reenactments. And I apologize in advance because I love both of these lawyers. I deeply love Joey Jackson and I love Mercedes Cohen, too. Long time Kelly's Court favorites back in the day. But this was deeply wrong. Watch.

Did he say anything to you at that time about how this might be viewed if it got out? Yes. What did he say in substance? He said to me, this is a disaster, total disaster. Women are going to hate me because this is really a disaster. Women will hate me. Guys may think it's cool, but this is going to be a disaster for the campaign. What, if anything, did you understand about withdrawn? Why did you understand? What did you understand him to mean by women will hate this and what his concern was? Objection.

Oh my God. Overruled. So at the time, Mr. Trump was polling very, very low with women. And you said very well. No, very poorly. I'm I'm sorry. It's all right. I couldn't hear. He was polling very poorly with women. And this coupled with the previous Access Hollywood tape, he just stated this is a disaster and get control of it. Oh, my God, that's just so weird. How are they doing this with a disaster and get control of it oh my god oh my god that's just so weird how are they doing this with a straight face that's sad it's great satire it's great satire but they're at

this is like a serious thing for them and like it's not just these two people being weird reading each other's they also have like voice actors in the back who shout like objection yeah it's like it's like a bad lifetime movie it. It's the weirdest thing ever. I'm furious we didn't think of this first. We're losing our touch, fellas. We could kill this. We could kill this.

You know, you could still reenact the Stormy testimony. I mean, I think people would still listen to some of that. That's available to you. That could be gold. You know, let's give that some thought. There's no way we can get Hollywood had to do the stormy portion of it. So we'd have to think about that, but yeah. No condom.

Fellas, Megan, you can do it. No, thank you. I did. I did a porn reenactment right here on this set one day and it was just over the way the media thumbs down. You know how your video thumbs down on my porn reenactment. I did it because the way the media was writing up Trump's reactions during voir dire, never mind the actual porn star and the way they reacted when she took the stand to talk about condomless sex and the positions they were in and how long it lasted. I mean, it was like this is this is like their Super Bowl, the reenactment. Shame on you, CNN. Shame

on you for putting two great lawyers in that terrible position. I'm really glad you had specificity to that, Megan. I thought this glad you added specificity to that, Megan. I thought this was going in a very different direction, like a confessional or something. So I appreciate the additional context. I mean, Holmes, you got to tune into the MK show more. You would have seen the whole thing. Okay, here is the full panoply of attorneys, experts, et cetera. We pulled it so you could hear Stormy's attorney,

current attorney. I think two of the past ones are either in jail or I don't know what happened to them. One's in jail. One took the stand and was obviously pretty scummy. Sorry, that's my opinion, sir. And here's the most recent one, Clark Brewster on set discussing her testimony. Prosecution team is outstanding. We spent a lot of time with them, very careful dealing with the facts and circumstances and the corroboration of her testimony. What did she say about what it was like to be in the room with him? You know, she was pretty nonplussed by him. She heard him cursing in the courtroom? I don't know if she heard him cursing, but she heard him responding audibly, but I don't think that impacted her at all.

They were clearly trying to make her feel shamed in some way by her profession. Were there moments that she had been prepared that they would attack her in that way? I think Stormy was Stormy on the stand, and she's genuine. She's very bright. She's quick-witted, and i think she came across as genuine and open and exposed as she intended to be and i think the jury saw that she was exposed all right there's a lot of exposure way more than i was interested in i can cut it clark brewster is this cat's name yeah can you see like you know

when they get those low rent uh attorney commercials that you get like later later on at night where they're like call 1-800 have you been injured at work yeah i don't get i don't get paid unless you win yeah totally i mean that'd be something stormy college's like i was injured at work no but it's like marketed towards the the porn industry you know i mean that seems like how do you find a guy like that and be like hey i got a great idea there's this uh world-renowned porn actress is making unsubstantiated allegations you want to be her attorney yep that sounds great let me get let me get fully involved in my firm with that and then see you know what i'm sure he's thinking, I'm going to get on CNN. Yeah.

He's like, I'm going to get on CNN because they have 18-person panels. They'll have me. Why not me? We shouldn't pretend here, and I'm sure they'll pretend that on CNN, and her lawyer will do the dirty work on all of that. But pretend like she's some sort of angel in this whole thing. I mean, there's testimony in there, the text message between her and the lawyer and all the stuff about how she will lose all the leverage if Trump loses the election. And so we need to get this deal done so she can get paid.

So like, come on. I mean, they want to turn her into this hero of the Me Too movement. She was a leverage play against the guy who was running for president. Totally. That's what it was. Yep. I mean, that's extortion. Those text messages, just extortion. The person should be on trial of the story.

That's exactly right. Dershowitz was making this point on his show the other day. He was saying if that negotiation was not to settle a legal dispute, if that if that wasn't money to settle a legal dispute, then it was extortion. Then she's guilty of extortion because you can't shake somebody down for $130,000 lawfully, unless you actually are saying, I'm going to go file a lawsuit. And you know, if that, if that's what this was, she has more to answer for. But now they're also trying to whitewash Cohen, who's got, I mean, at least Dormey's just got sort of a seedy past in this porn industry.

Cohen's got a seedy past and present and has been to jail and is a, you know, an obvious liar and an admitted liar under oath. And yet I'll give you a little hint of how they're covering Michael Cohen. Here's here's a montage. Let's start with that for. Let's see how Michael Cohen performs today. I will say yesterday was the most humble I've ever seen Michael Cohen and I was pleasantly surprised to see him accept so much responsibility. I think that he has done a lot in terms of advancing the case. And I think if he maintains his cool and his demeanor that we saw yesterday. I think and he owns what he did. I think he's going to do just fine. He doesn't think anything negative about Michael Cohen. His demeanor has

been flawless. There have been days where defendant Trump looked unseemly, certainly did not look relatable, looked untrustworthy. I thought today Michael Cohen and the way they did this testimony. This is the day that Donald Trump looked most like a criminal. Let me just put a little cherry on top of that sundae with a longer Lawrence O'Donnell. Watch. Michael Cohen has at times been a horrible person. also discovered today that he is the son of a Holocaust survivor, a Holocaust survivor who made it to this country and fulfilled his dream of living a better life here. Jury discovered that Michael Cohen is devoted to his wife, his son and his daughter and that Michael Cohen now lives a life full of regrets.

Oh, my God. Son of a Holocaust survivor. That's pretty much what you need to know. Very, very relevant. He's basically, he's Elie Wiesel. He's Elie Wiesel. He's given the Nobel Prize, eh? And I get the Christie all at once.

At the same time. Greatest guy on the planet. It's just so melodramatic it is right it brings muhammad gandhi his thoughts here's the thing is there are people fewer and fewer each day who watch this and like they probably have a case to sue msnbc for brain damage like 30 seconds of this i'm like recoiling and like how would – like this is enhanced interrogation. I'm going to watch first like a dramatic reading of it and then everyone is saying, oh, you know the guy who's been like admitted liar and convicted of lying? He's actually a swell guy.

You know, son of a Holocaust survivor. Like what are you trying to sell me? Don't forget that. Well, the thing that I find so amusing is you remember back in 2016 when the trump campaign was a little fin on surrogates they didn't have a whole bunch it was like you know not great and so every once in a while they would roll cohen out to do like the cable shows and he would just every time he went out there would be like three straight days of mocking him because he's like so not credible and i remember as a republican thinking at the time like we're all kind of hitched this wagon

and be like well i can't argue with that. I mean, this guy's ridiculous. I don't know. It's funny. It's just like not a believable. It was like a caricature of some troglodyte, you know? And then all of a sudden, now you fast forward, he's playing for the other team and he's Agatha Christie. It's just like whiplash. He's very, he's holocausty. Okay. And here's, here's the reason why. Okay. They need him. This, the case rise, unlike Stormy, who really was irrelevant, the case rises or falls on

Michael Cohen's testimony. And we had said to the audience yesterday, unless they get him to say that Trump knew about the way these payments that were made to Stormy Daniels and then the reimbursements that Trump paid Michael Cohen exactly the way they were documented in the Trump books, then he was he was a loss like he was pointless. That's what they needed to say. Not he knew about the Stormy payment. We've already heard something to that effect from Hope Hicks and others, because a posh money payment is not illegal, right? So that's not illegal, even arguably. But what they're alleging is illegal

is the way it was documented in the book at Trump Tower. Nothing that was even publicly submitted, just like put in the book at Trump Tower. And they did get that late yesterday from Michael Cohen, The New York Times reporting as follows. When Cohen was describing a January meeting with, this is 17, with Allen Weisselberg, his CFO, he testified, Cohen did, that Trump heard Weisselberg say that the monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services. And then the Times is, I think it's Jonah Bromwich says, it is that single line from a witness, the word yes, that most directly attaches Trump to the alleged crimes. Prosecutors are arguing that Trump's sign off on the repayment plan, along with his knowledge that Cohen would be falsely reimbursed for, quote,

legal services, indicates that he approved of what they say was a crime because they say no legal services were rendered from 2017 January forward. Once he became president, this was actually a reimbursement for the stormy hush money and that Trump say that Trump hearing Weisselberg say the monthly payments would be a retainer for legal services shows he knew it was false and was part of a willfully fraudulent scheme. Follow that? No one does. Well, they're also whistling past the graveyard on all of it because it's not actually the crime, what you've just documented, that they're charging him with. It's that conspiracy that you just discussed in the underlying crime of a federal crime

that was never brought, right? I mean, if you really want to unwind the insanity of it all, the hinge for the felony counts against Donald Trump are abetting a crime that prosecutors refuse to bring in front of a courtroom, much less a grand jury. And they never got an indictment. They never even pursued one. You got it. All right. There's much, much more to discuss on Trump and the media. We're going to take a little deep dive into the past cozy relationship between CNN and Michael Cohen, which also adds some color as to what you're seeing now with the 17 person panels and the reenactments. And they're all in the for for a reason. Ruthless stays with me. So guys, it is not anything new to see CNN running cover for Michael Cohen. They actually have a history of doing this as unearthed by Tucker Carlson back in 2022, when he ran tape of the Cohen tapes, they were Cohen taping himself, speaking to Jeff Zucker, who was running

CNN at the time, and Chris Cuomo, who was their star anchor at the time. And the reason I'm running this now is to show you that it's just another example of how these media companies that claim they are holier than thou, they're above it all. They would never do any of the dirty tactics that you see from places like the National Enquirer. They wouldn't pay for a story. They wouldn't work with a source, et Republican, the Republican debate. So there were going to be Trump and many other Republicans up on that stage that night. And CNN was hosting. Listen. As fond as I am of the boss, he also has a tendency like, you know, if I call him or I email him, he then is capable of going out in his next rally and saying that we just talked. And I can't have that, if you know what I'm saying. I have all these proposals for him.

Like, I want to do a weekly show with him and all this stuff. So you know what you should do? Who's ever around him today should just be calling him a con man all day so that he's used to it. So that when he hears it from Rubio, it doesn't matter. Hey, con man. Hey, con man all day so that he's used to it so that when he hears it from Rubio, it doesn't matter. Hey, con man. Hey, con man. Hey, con man.

Hey, con man. Hey, con man. Yeah, you want to get smacked in the head? He thinks that's his name, you know? That's that high-minded political insight that we get from Zucker. Boy, I don't know how he didn't make it as an operator. Right. It's amazing.

Like the day of the debate to be talking to one of the candidates main rep like that. Like, here's how he should handle Rubio. Get him ready. Do the following. Work like this. Oh, and by the way, I want him to have a weekly show on CNN. But this is one. Trump had not yet secured the nomination at this point.

It had to be from the 16, it was 2020 that it aired. It had to be from the 16 race because he was doing a Republican debate at the time. And obviously he didn't do that when he was the sitting president. But in any event, pretty extraordinary there. And I would be remiss if I didn't play for you the Cuomo piece of it, where Cuomo, too, is prepping Michael Cohen for what we believe was an interview with Cuomo. Listen. I'm going to ask you for your advice on how to handle the interview that I'm doing first with you.

Erin Burnett wants me to do hers first. So she goes, yeah, but it's better if I do it with a woman as opposed to with you. And why didn't you just let it all come out and let the people decide? Because it's not a fair process. They wouldn't have had any of the counter facts and they would have had her, you know,

if she was somehow convinced to do it and people decided to believe that her denials were somehow less true than her admissions. I didn't want to play that game. Everything was tilted against Mr. Trump. There he gives him the answer. That's what it is. And then either they'll believe it or they'll be like, f*** that. There's no way he didn't know.

And say, look shady. Hey, we'll be fine. Look, you know, it's a shady business. I didn't like that. Politics is a. Yeah, fine. Look, you know, it's a shady business. I didn't like that. Politics is a shady business. Right. I didn't like that I had to pay her to keep her quiet just in case she decided to lie against somebody who was paying her.

How do you get in trouble? You don't get in trouble legally. I'll ask. I'm going to make some phone calls on that and make sure that you can't get. Two steps in his legal advisor to Michael Cohen. Talking about Stormy Daniels, talking about They're talking about Stormy Daniels, talking about how to handle the Stormy Daniels allegations. He gives him both the questions and the answers,

game planted out in full. It's the same thing, frankly, as that CNN reenactment. It's fake. It's fake news, right? When they have these people on, they've pre-planned the whole thing to make sure the guest looks absolutely great, depending on where CNN wants them to be in the political landscape and story. Do they want to make them look great or do they want to look shitty?

This is totally wrong. This is extremely improper. And CNN would know that. If that, Megan, the other thing that occurs to me is if that is the sort of conversation that CNN is having with Michael Cohen, imagine the conversations they're having with Democrats on a daily basis. Imagine the lengths they go to behind the scenes to make Joe Biden and his administration that's full of disaster look like something less than that i i just i can't it's it anybody who watches that i mean yeah michael cohen's interesting i'm not it's very funny situation it's very funny chris cuomo the pictures that tucker had up there are very very funny yeah but what what's not funny what's actually sort of chilling is the is the familiarity with which these reporters from major outlets are working to try to tell one side of the story because they're driving a narrative. It is not news. It is not information. It's something that you should turn off. I mean, and Americans are doing it on a routine basis.

Yeah, it's I mean, it's theater, right? Like it's kayfabe. Like what was in that clip just played would be enough to make Vince McMahon blush. Yeah. You know, like setting it up. It's like you don't plan it out that much, dude. Let there be something real. I mean, the Ruthless Variety Program is like Edward R. Murrow compared to that situation. Right.

I mean, we're total propaganda for republicans but we don't do that with our guests it's just such a sad indictment of that zucker era because it's it's not limited to i mean you've heard zucker himself you heard uh cuomo i mean remember donald lamon right like he was on with, what's his name? Juicy Smollett. Yeah. Giving him advice on how to handle the whole thing. That's right.

That seemed like the MO under Zucker CNN is like, well, you got to get the interesting guests and you got to coach them up a little bit before we do our theatric production for an audience that otherwise trusts us with news and information. Yep. I think that's like Ashbrook, like Duncan, like you said. It's really sad, honestly, because it's not news anymore this is not reporting anymore it's a

production it's all just like i remember how shocked i was uh when they had the january 6th hearings and they hired the democrats hired like a television producer yeah like what is james goldstein of abc news the information yeah the information americans are supposed to get is no a television producer. Yeah. Like what is happening? James Goldson of ABC News. The information that Americans- He's running ABC. Yeah, the information Americans are supposed to get is no longer reporting of facts. It's all just a presentation of telling a story. It's like Broadway.

It's like you're going to a show. And if that's what they're gonna do- Did you hear they got Spielberg for the DNC? Spielberg for the DNC. Good God. I did hear that. I mean, they already got dinosaurs. I guess it worked out for him. Amazing. I was just going to say, if they're going to make it theater,

at least make it fun. You know, there's absolutely nothing fun about that CNN segment we watched. I mean, at least make it, make it entertaining. You know what I mean? Take the objections out, take the stumbles out. Take the attorney apologies out. Like, streamline the most salient parts. But in all fairness to Mercedes and Joey, hire two actors. If you're going to do it, actually hire actors. And you know what?

Not for nothing, but you should hire somebody with a thick Long Island accent who sounds a little like Michael Cohen. I will say, we've been bashing Michael Cohen quite a bit. The one thing I really like about the guy is his accent. He sounds a little like Michael Cohen. I will say is we've been bashing Michael Cohen quite a bit. The one thing I really like about the guy is his accent. I love that accent. There's something very endearing about it to me. He's not endearing, but maybe you, maybe you like this. I don't know. I'm going to give you here. I'll give you a, here's place.seven. Here's old Michael Cohen. Holy shit. Tish James, our incredible New York attorney general, has just decided that they are going to sue, put out a lawsuit against Donald Trump.

I'm so flabbergasted. But more so, I want to personally thank Tish James for mentioning me, for crediting me for the starting of this unbelievable lawsuit. I don't like the accent a little. So overcoached. For mentioning me. Overcoached there, though. If you notice, that is from the liberal media production company Midas Touch. And what you're seeing there is this common theme now in a lot of their content, direct-to-camera content that the people on the left use, where they just set up the camera and they go over the top with all these adjectives of something.

Flabbergasted. I was flabbergasted. It's so exciting. It's so exciting. He hosts a podcast with Midas Touch. Yeah, unbelievable. Unbelievable. I was going to say, if I close my eyes, it's the same guy at the bodega when the Yankees win.

He's just like so excited. He wants to tell you all about it. Do you ever watch that? It's kind of a sad character, you guys. It's like he was obsessed with Trump. There was some terrible story about like he desperately wanted Donald Trump to go to his son's bar mitzvah. Forgive me. I'm going to screw it up. But it was like Trump wouldn't go. And then maybe he finally showed up and he treated Michael Cohen like shit.

Like they have a codependent relationship where Cohen just needs his approval and Trump won't give it. And he testified yesterday. He denied that he wanted to be attorney general. I just, again, threw up a little in my mouth. Attorney general. But he to be attorney general. I just, again, threw up a little in my mouth. Attorney general. But he admitted, attorney general, but he admitted that he thought he should at least be considered for chief of staff in the White House, this now disbarred attorney. My God.

And that he was very angry that his name wasn't at least put out publicly. You know, I just wanted my name out there, like just to be considered. You know, why wasn't I at least considered? I'm very offended. of my name out there, like just to be considered, you know, why wasn't I at least considered how he, right. How he was so disappointed. He testified yesterday after he paid the $130,000 to stormy, took out a home equity loan, was promised that he would be paid back. He testified and was paid back, you know, and by the way, you know, he was testifying about the money. He paid 130,000 to stormy. He paid, um, uh, and then he needed 130,000 to reimburse, you know, to make good on the taxes, right? Cause

you get taxed at 50%. They gave him back two 60. They paid him. Then he said there was a $50,000 in the money. Cause it's 420 that Trump paid him back. And people are wondering, well, that's more than one 30. So is this really what you say it is? And he was doing the math yesterday saying, okay, two 60 for the payment, uh, 50 grand for some red Finch company. It was a tech company that paid, uh, that owed, um, whatever I paid them for Mr. Trump. And they say, well, did, did red Finch actually do $50,000 worth of work? Like you got paid. I can't remember how it went down. I'm trying to get my facts straight. But basically the bottom line was he took more from Redfinch than he paid back into the Trump company. He skimmed Michael Cohen, admitted he took a little cut. He admitted it. The prosecution brought that out. So it didn't come out on cross. And then there was an extra bonus of 60 grand to him. Then in the next breath, the next breath, he's pissed because he talks about after he outlaid

that 130 in October before the election of 16. In January, he found out that Trump had cut his bonus by two thirds. Why are you asking me all about my but he's just telling us he was skimming off the top of the payments coming into the trump organization this guy's a pathetic figure it's trad it's he's a tragic figure and just desperate for the approval of donald trump it reminds me a little bit of like a fredo corleone situation yes well done yeah that is kind of how it but i i why are you saying all these bad things about a flammagast it's like death of a salesman or something like that he's like i took out a heloc to pay for the boss's porn star and he treats me like i'm like now i gotta drink piss out of the fucking water fountain.

Speaking of fountains, here's speaking of fountains, more patheticness from Michael Cohen, who went to the Trevi Fountain in Rome. And guess what his wish was? Watch. So I traveled here to Italy to Trevi Fountain because we're not getting the things that we need in terms of holding Trump and his acolytes responsible. So I am going to make a wish, which is, of course, what you do at the fountain. All right. We all hope that he gets held accountable for all of his dirty deeds. Do you think he's going to classify that trip as a business? Do you think he's getting some of the coins out of the fountain? Yeah.

To hold him accountable, I need to fly first class. Like a serious motherfucker. What was the guy's name in Godfather? Hold on. It was... Who was the mob boss? I'm thinking of Fredo.

And he goes, I'm in Raw. Don't come to Las Vegas and talk to a guy like Mo Green. Mo Green. Mo Green. That's who it was. You don't come to. That's yeah, that's him now. Yeah. It's sad. When I went to the Trevi Fountain, I wish for the health and well-being of my children. He wished for that for Donald Trump. Single tear. What a hollow a hollow existence. We're not done with him yet. Many, many more hours of Michael Cohen coming our way because the cross-examination hasn't even started. So we'll put a pin in it for now. Let's talk politics.

This New York Times poll yesterday. My God. Oh, here's the headline. It's basically similar to what The New York Times came up with in November. But a lot has happened since then, and none of it was particularly helpful to Joe Biden. Since their earlier poll in November, which, again, this mirrors is a battleground state poll. The stock market has gained 25 percent under Joe Biden. Trump's criminal trial in Manhattan has started. The Biden campaign has unleashed tens of millions of dollars in advertisements across these battleground states. And he delivered his robust State of the Union address. So what happened? What did it change? Absolutely nothing. And these numbers, you guys, yesterday I read, I think the registered voters numbers, which is just terrible for Joe Biden. It's got Trump up in every state except for

Wisconsin, where he's got it to within two. Here, we'll take a look at the likely voters, since that's what, that's the only thing that's really relevant. you know, the polls among the likely voters. It's still terrible news for Joe Biden. In Wisconsin, it actually flips. In Wisconsin, Trump's up one instead of down two when you bring it down to likely voters. Wisconsin, hello, which he won in 16, but then lost in 20. In Pennsylvania, Trump's up three. In Arizona, Trump's up six. In Michigan, Biden's up three, uh, in Arizona, Trump's up six in Michigan. Biden's up one in Georgia, but I mean, up one in Michigan. That's it. That's amazing for Trump in Georgia. Trump's up nine and in Nevada, Trump's up 13. I mean, this is, didn't I have you guys on before the midterms? We all thought Nevada might actually go Republican. And then they flung the middle finger. And then we still

talked about how Harry Reid still has that great get out the vote, you know, apparatus out there. And Nevada is solidly blue because of his legacy. Nevada right now, plus 13 for Donald Trump. Joe Biden won all of those states back in 2020. Nearly 70 percent of voters say the country's political and economic systems need major changes or even to be torn down completely. What do you make of it? Yeah, I mean, I think James Carville actually said it best. We led with him on our show today in that speaking on behalf of Democrats, we got to think of something else because this shit is not working. He nailed it. moment in time where Joe Biden is just sucking wind is irrational exuberance as a way of producing a little bit of a laissez-faire attitude in terms of how difficult this election's

honestly going to be to win. If you look at the electoral map, Trump's got to win Georgia. If you take that poll, yeah, looks great. Although we've had two consecutive cycles in Georgia where it hasn't been so great. So is this just an entire sea change? I don't know. Keep an eye on it. He's got to win two of the three, the Midwestern states, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. Biden won all of them last time around. Are we just at a complete sea change where everybody has dropped off? I don't know. 2022 would tell you something different, right? And it's not just simply because of a vastly different environment. These things are going to tighten up. I think it is very bad news, no question for Joe Biden. I think his ceiling is such where Donald Trump's ceiling, which we talked about all during the primaries being incredibly low for a major party nominee, Biden's might be lower.

It might actually be lower. And then, you know, you figure he's not consolidated his base. He doesn't have that same poll with suburban voters. Like Trump's in a driver's seat right now, which I don't think anybody could have really predicted a year ago. And then when you add the third party candidate, I mean, RFK, so they broke out a multi-candidate version of that survey you just read through. And when RFK is on the ballot, with those same samples, you have Trump with even bigger leads in some of these Midwestern states. And obviously, the Trump campaign is concerned about RFK tricking conservatives into believing that he actually is one of us. The guy has a decidedly left-wing record and is

a full-on environmentalist and doesn't really have the same views as a lot of Republicans. Trump campaign sees him as a threat or they wouldn't be attacking him like that. But he is definitely pulling votes from Joe Biden. And, you know, Democrats are working overtime to try to keep him off ballots. He's going to be on in Michigan, I think, and he may be on in a couple of other states. So I would continue to watch that guy and continue to expect that he may perform at or even above Ross Perot in some of these states. Wow. Wow. How about and I'm going to get to RFK because there's news on him that he made on our pal state Sage Steele's show Hispanics. Can we talk about Hispanics for a second here? Hispanics,

Republicans have never won a majority of Hispanics. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen. As far back as 1972, they've never gotten more than 44 percent of the Hispanic vote. They always try. The Democrats always win a majority of the Hispanic vote. Joe Biden won Hispanics in 2060, 40 over Donald Trump. They are going to be 15 percent of eligible voters in this upcoming election. And Donald Trump is tied, according to The New York Times poll, with Joe Biden among Hispanic voters tied. On top of that, this is showing again, this is likely voters showing him a 12% advantage over, or not advantage, but 12% of the black vote. Biden at 58, Kennedy at 10. It goes up bigger, it goes up to 20% Trump with registered voters. But again, we don't really

look at that. So in 2016, Trump won 8% of the black vote. In 2020, he won 12% of the black vote. Do we have this from the Real Clear Politics podcast, you guys? I think we have this. They're over here on, the Real Clear Politics guys, including Tom Bevin, are over here on Sirius XM now doing a radio show and I enjoy it. Cut a soundbite from them talking about the black vote. Take a listen. Trump also wins more than 20% of black

voters, a tally that would be the highest level of black support for any Republican presidential candidate since the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I talked to Sean Trendy about this last week on the show. In 2016, Trump got 8% of the black vote. In 2020, it was 12%. And I said to Sean, I asked him, so what's the number? He was at 14% in the latest poll. And I said, you know, so what's the number where Democrats should really is that sort of tipping point where this is, you know, going to be a huge problem. And he's like, 14% would be a huge problem. So for Trump to be at 20 in this poll has to be absolutely terrifying for Democrats, because if that number stays true and he wins 20% of the black vote,

it's going to be a wipeout. So what do you make of it, guys? Minority voting. Yeah, I mean, that's true. An awful lot of the reason for a higher percentage is a turnout for Joe Biden amongst African-American voters. I don't know in terms of gross totals whether Trump can actually field more black voters than he did in 2020, but you certainly can reduce the number of voters that are voting for Joe Biden. He's done nothing for the community. The Hispanic piece I think is more interesting because, look, there's a lot of people who try to deduce Hispanic votes as if they're like a monolithic category and they're not it's like all Americans all demographics everybody's got a whole bunch of different opinions but we've seen like South Florida you're never gonna find a more Republican voting bloc than Hispanics in South Florida but what

we've seen across the country is in multi-generational Hispanic households meaning people who've been around, they're in their community, they've built a community around in various states across this union, is that they have begun to detect the huge cultural separation between their community and what Democrats are selling on a day-to-day basis. These are not East Coast, West Coast elitist folks. These are people of faith. These are people of community. Everything that Democrats have been selling them over the years, it's just not compatible with the

way that they live their lives. And so in these multi-generational communities, they have become much more conservative and much more likely to vote Republican. Now that over time has to change. It's not like you wake up one day and like 60% of Hispanics are Republicans, but we've seen a migration, so to speak, of Hispanic votes towards a more conservative side and towards Republicans happening in the House, happening in the Senate. It goes to show, like I think in a presidential election, we can even get to a higher watermark. Yeah. I mean, you said at the top of this segment, you were talking about Nevada. Nevada is a perfect example of this. And we saw this in the midterms election

in 2022 in Clark County, you know, a huge Hispanic community there that works in the service industry on the Vegas Strip. Yeah. Right. And they were impacted dramatically by COVID policies and stuff like that. And I think that's obviously why they got rid of the governor there, the Democrats is slack. But the issue we had in 2022 is, you know, over time of the Trump presidency, we have traded the suburban voters who vote in midterms at a 76% turnout for more ex-urban and rural voters who vote at about a 56, 57% midterm turnout. So we had a mobilization problem in the midterm election with these new voters replacing suburban voters. Presidential election year, you're not going to have that same issue. Voters are coming out and nobody's more enthusiastic to vote than a Donald Trump voter.

So ultimately, that is Biden's problem. His problem with minority voters, problem with his base overall is a lack of enthusiasm we're seeing here in all the polls. Yeah, that's dead on. Yeah. The four more years pause message is not working. Whereas Kyle Dunnigan said it on our show last year, last week, four more years, pause, smile, triple exclamation point. Okay. The other piece of news in here is the youth vote.

This is, all of this just seems impossible. It just seems impossible. Trump is tied with Biden among 18 to 29 year olds. And yet this is what it says right here, that Trump is indeed tied with Biden when it comes to the youth vote. 30 percent for Biden and up one, actually Trump, 31 percent, 18 to 29 year olds. And on top of that, we expect Trump to do better with men than women. He always has 47 to 33. But with women, Trump's got it to within two. Again, I'm on the likely voters, Biden, 39, Trump, 37. If that if any of that holds, Biden's done. He's done. He can't. The reason he won last time is because he overcame his deficit with men by running up his numbers with the women. And the youth vote is going to go Republican. Is that it? Is that is that like thinking the black votes

going Republican? It sounds it feels like pie in the sky. Well, I mean, just to go back to what we just talked about, I mean, there's two ways to see these gaps narrowing. One way is that all of a sudden you've had a conversion by a demographic unlikely to support somebody like Donald Trump, or in the case of what you're looking at with an awful lot of these polls, you have a receding ceiling that Biden had enjoyed in his first election and enjoyed in some measure for Democrats ever since but are now decisively unenthusiastic about Joe Biden and what happens is they just drop out of that Electra they either show up in a undecided they don't uh take part in a poll at all but but it's one of the reasons like you see so much influence that this administration puts on like being responsive

to Gaza protesters for crying out loud is because they're afraid that they're receding amongst young progressives is enough to focus on the wrong thing. I mean, I totally, these voters say that they care, including the young voters more than anything about you guessed it, the economy. That's what they care about more than anything. They don't care about Gaza as much, not even close. The numbers on Gaza are, they're so low, they're off the chart on the bottom. And they care about the economy like everybody else. But that, you know, his messaging on that isn't working. His efforts to fix it aren't working. And they have somebody else's report card, Trump's, to look back on, guys, it seems like for all these groups, the reason Trump is making inroads

isn't because of his temperament, isn't because of his youth, it's because of the Trump economy for those four years. Yeah, I mean, I think, especially for the youth vote, I've been seeing a lot of numbers on the level of economic pessimism that has essentially gripped the entirety of Gen Z, where there's been a lot of discussion of parents wondering if their children are going to be the first generation that's worse off than them. Gen Z has accepted that as a base case, that the majority accept that they will never own a home, that it is going to remain unaffordable to them, and they're going to have to be renters for their entire lives. They don't see any kind of a hopeful future. And this president, the cynicism that this administration has had in addressing what the youth are trying to tell them that, hey, the economy matters to them, they say, oh, inflation is actually, it's not a problem. First, they say it doesn't exist. Then they say, actually, it might be good.

Now they're back to saying, well, it's gone. You have to address people's problems. And you can't just say, well, you're crazy if you think that. But to shut them up, they're like, well, what if we just handed you some student loan money? Is that good enough? Like, it's essentially the most cynical play possible. We can't get them to vote for us. Why don't we give them money to do it?

I think your point about the economy is a really, really good one because the Biden administration is spending so much time focused on these lunatics on the college campuses like anybody really cares. And the economy is affecting every single one of them. And you know who is putting out videos basically every single week about the economy to catch these voters is RFK Jr. I mean, every week, I don't know if you've seen this, Megan, he's got something about housing. Here's how I'm going to fix housing. You have a problem with your student loan. Here's what I'm going to do to fix college. He is talking directly to these youth, to these young voters who are guaranteed to be left of

center. Really hard for Republicans to convert to to our side but if they're not coming to our side and they're not going to biden's side they might as well just go to rfk because like they weren't going to vote for us anyway this is just another vote off of biden's side so i think it's a little bit more realistic to think that young voters are going to try something completely different than it is that they're going to all of a sudden vote for trump i mean as much as i would love them to be voting for trump but as long as they're not voting for Biden, that means we can win. Here are the numbers. Overall, just 2% of likely voters of all ages called the Middle East problem the most important issue to their vote. It's a minuscule number.

And by the way, that'll include some Jewish voters, too. So that's not all people who want us to change our policy on Israel. And just 5% of 18 to 29-year-olds said this was their most important issue. Much bigger issue for the younger voters. Number one, economy. Number two, abortion. Number three, inflation. Number four, immigration. And then foreign policy, which I guess they distinguish here from the Middle East.

So he's focused on the wrong problem that you mentioned Carville. We actually cut that sound. We are we took a look. It was from four months ago, but it holds perfectly true. As I point out, nothing's changed. The November New York Times poll has the same devastating numbers. You know, whether they're real or not, they're still there and they don't look good for Biden as it did in November. And here was Carville speaking to his frustration over this immovable problem. In Trump's warhead. Then he's ever been more. Fewer people think January 6th was any kind of what it was, is an assault on the temple of democracy,

the Constitution. I don't know what the fuck you want to say. It's going the wrong way. It's not working. Everything that we're throwing is spaghetti at a wall and none of it is sticking, me included.

I don't like anybody else. I have an opinion of myself. And the opinion I've come to is, I don't matter. It don't like anybody else. I have an opinion of myself. And the opinion I've come to is, I don't matter. It doesn't matter. You can prepare. You can be on TV. You can write pieces. You can have a YouTube

channel. You can have a podcast. And nothing. Nothing. Aw. Doom or cargo, nothing matters. You know, I will say this is a lesson you learn pretty fast in the cable news game. He's right. You don't matter.

Like, and to go out there thinking anything other than that is folly. You should go out there as a commentator, as a journalist with a hefty dose of humility and just try to be an honest guide to people on the facts. But to think that you're actually going to sway an election or shift outcomes when there are just such huge tides that are actually driving the vote, whichever way it's going to end in November, that you can't. It's like I don't even know that Trump and Biden are, are shifting them as much as we think. Like the, these things have been set in motion, the economy, the border, you know, bit by bit, they're affecting these things, certainly Biden at the moment, but no one man, even the candidate is single-handedly changing these tides. These tides have been put in motion by a whole bunch of policies. They're going to rush to shore in November. And I think Trump is going to win,

no matter what James Carville says or wants. But I feel for him. I mean, I'm sure he is frustrated. And if you guys were advising the Dems, what would you say? What would you say they need to do right now to change their fortunes? Shut the border and deport 20 million people. That's about right yeah and and stop chasing ghosts you know i mean one of the things that got joe biden through a democratic primaries is the only candidate who wasn't operating off like a twitter information flow like he was speaking to a more center of the democratic party that got him through that and he became president all of a sudden he became a twitter type president i mean everything that they do the only thing that produces reaction out of this white house is

off the progressive left i mean he can chase that base all day long but the reality is he's president of the united states because you have a whole bunch of center-right voters in suburban areas across this country who'd voted democrat'd voted Republican for 25 years that became uncomfortable with Donald Trump. And when Joe Biden became president of the United States, instead of catering to that audience and figuring out what it is that he ought to be doing, a caretaker or however that he build it, he did stuff off the left-hand side of the map and stuff that those voters couldn't possibly dream were in their best interest. And he's governed that way and he's campaigning that way. So I really don't think it should be a surprise

that he's lean on approval rating in the ballot question with that core group of voters. Very lean. The New York Times podcast, The Daily this morning, got into their poll and said that what this is boiling down to their own takeaway from their own poll is voters. This is a change election, much in the way the 2008 Barack Obama hope and change election was a change election. And there's only one candidate who represents change right now. And it's not Joe Biden. And this is just the way the electorate sees it. They do. They do want to burn the system down. And that doesn't include keeping the current incumbent in office. I want to get to what RFKJ said about abortion, because I do think it's interesting. I'm going to squeeze in a quick break and we come back. We'll talk about that and also the threats of protests at the Democratic National

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and got into the issue of abortion and something very interesting happened. First, RFKJ obviously endorsed abortion on demand through all nine months. And then wait until you hear what his running mate said right after. Watch this. You know, I think with abortion, every abortion is a tragedy. But I think ultimately, I don't trust government to have jurisdiction over people's bodies. I think we need to leave it to the woman. Something like close to 60% of abortions are among women who make the decision for economic reasons. And I think we need to do everything we can to make sure that women who want to bring their babies to term and are scared of not being able to afford

them, that is never a consideration. Should there be a limit, or you're saying all the way up through full term, a woman has a right to have an abortion? Yeah, I mean, I don't think any woman ever, ever in history has said, I'm going to have a, you know, I'm going to have a baby. I'm going to get pregnant and carry that baby to eight months of term, and then I'm going to terminate the pregnancy. But again, I come down to the fact that I don't trust the state, and I think we need to trust the woman. Even if it's full term? Even if it's full term. I'm not voting for anybody who says go for it up till birth.

No, God, no. I won't do that. No, no, no. And that is not Bobby's position as I understand it. My understanding with Bobby's position is that, you know, every abortion is a tragedy. Yes. Is it a loss of life? Um, my understanding is that he absolutely believes in limits on, on abortion. And we've talked about this very clearly said, uh, cause I pushed and I'm like, wait up till he said it should always be a woman's choice, always, even up until that moment. And that that is where anyone who says that, well, you're going to lose lose a lot of people because that full term, that full term option is something that that is just scary.

Here, that is not my understanding of his position. And I think maybe there was a miscommunication there. Unbelievable, right? There was no miscommunication. Sage Steele understood him perfectly. He was very clear on the record about it. And his vice presidential candidate had no clue what his position was on the merits. Kudos to her for like not letting it go and just like, oh,

moving on. God bless. She held her to account. Wow. Yeah, she's good. She's really good. But I mean, look, it's almost like they don't know what they're doing. Well, you know what, Holmes, he's already come out to try to clarify it. He's about his, his assumption that women would never do this. He said, I learned my assumption was wrong. Sometimes women abort healthy, viable, late-term fetuses. These cases of purely elective late-term abortion are very upsetting. Once the baby's viable outside the womb, it should have rights and deserves society's protection. That's the statement in part. So now he's reversed himself, but he did not in that interview.

Nothing like being on three sides of a two-sided issue like abortion right i mean there are very few things that present themselves that are just like a morality clarity you're on one side you're on the other you think that there's some way in the middle and all of a sudden he's like yeah no i'm for it no now i'm against that you know like i mean he really brought it back how could he not know how could he not know that some women did this you know it's like we've had massive news stories about these abortion doctors who actually do these late-term abortions i got i don't know this is a question i'd like to ask him how could you not know well he had he did have that worm in his brain that's true a part of his

brain so he maybe forgot a voracious eater And it did take out quite abortion from my understanding. He said this. Wait, we have this. It ate that file from me. Directly went to the abortion file. He actually says, I'm sure people have heard this. It broke last week. Went to the abortion file.

Just ate it. He says he got a brain worm. It was testimony he gave during his divorce proceeding saying he's not sure where he contracted it, but it led to memory loss and mental fogginess. And he said it was caused by a worm that got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died. Quote, I have cognitive problems. Clearly, he said he didn't know the type of parasite, but suspected he might have contracted it during a trip through South Asia. Me too.

Doctors have said that people's formation, their opinion on abortions, like in the right frontal lobe, where the worm apparently was found. You know what infectious disease experts told the New York Times? They believe if it was a worm, it was likely a pork tapeworm larva. Ew. Roughly 2,000 hospitalizations have happened for this condition known as neurosysticercosis.

I don't know what that is, but I'm very scared. And Kennedy's response to this news hitting was, I offer to eat five more brain worms and still beat President Trump and President Biden in a debate. I feel confident in the result, even with a six worm handicap. That is very funny. What is this election? What's happening to our elections? It is ironic. RFK being the one liberal willing to take ivermectin actually needed it for the worms.

For the worms. Not the COVID. It's amazing. So you don't seem like your big RFKJ supporters. You're not putting the smart money on him. I just think it's all fraud i mean look i'm not doubting that whether he has convictions on vaccines or what have you but i mean look they hired right-wing press people they have a clear agenda of trying to get disaffected

conservatives on board with rfk i mean there's not somebody breathing air that for 30 years during his professional career was further to the left than RFK. And like the idea that you somehow now run for president with this appeal to disaffected voters in the center of the electorate is nuts to me. Like, I just think it's all fraud. Well, I agree that he and his whole, the whole premise is fraud. But I think that he is going to get more votes than people expect because there is such a strong desire out there for a different type of candidate than the two that people are given. Change election. They wanted they just they they want something a little bit different. And hopefully that leads them towards

Trump so we can get back to the economy that we knew and loved. But like a lot of people are interested in some just something else. And that's kind of what he is. It's like what in smug made the point on Ruthless today, which I think is apt, which is that I think a lot of the voters who voted for Biden in 2020 weren't Biden voters. They just knew they wanted to go a different way from Trump. A lot of stuff going on, COVID, all of this. And they didn't think they were signing up for eight years of Joe Biden, that Joe Biden basically misread the mandate of his election. And so I think maybe we're seeing a lot of that with the RFK stuff as well. Yeah. All right. Last but not least, the Democratic National Convention happens this summer in the formerly beautiful town of Chicago. I love Chicago, lived there five years. The left is ruining it day by day. Looking at you,

Mayor Johnson and your predecessors. And what some are predicting, given this whole Palestine protesting thing erupting on all the college campuses and streets, is something that may look a little like this from 1968 when the protests were over the Vietnam War and got very, very violent. Watch would be unable to shoot the initial provocation, which authorities later claimed started the bloody battle at Balboa and Michigan Avenue. But whatever the reason, a clash did occur. And this is what it looked like. It speaks for itself. So cops with the riot gear on, some beatdowns. That was courtesy of NBC News. I think it was wmaq in chicago at the time and what's happening now is the dnc is quote preparing for the worst

according to politico without the help of the city's mayor uh brandon johnson who loves protests he's a rookie mayor who unabashedly sympathizes with the protesters. He was formerly an organizer with the Chicago Teachers Union, my lord, and does not appear to be getting ready to help or shut anything down. And now, guys, there are, according to Politico, meetings underway about making this thing a, quote, hybrid production where most of it would happen remotely via satellite, via Zoom, the way 2020 did, so that they can keep as little of their convention out of the convention as possible. They don't want to go near Chicago. They just want maximum viewership and minimized openings for protest. What do you think is going to happen? It says a lot about your job and how you've done in office when you're scared of meeting

with your supporters. We can't even show up and meet the people we hope are going to vote for us. Well, I mean, look, the Democratic Party is clearly concerned about the optics of all this. They don't want people like you playing the 1968 disaster of a convention for them drawing parallels. And so they're very concerned about the optics. What I'm more concerned about, and I imagine most people are, is the actually safety and security of these conventions, which as you've seen across college campuses, it ain't great. It ain't great. So the potential for disaster is definitely there. There was an interesting story in the Washington Post about the Republican

convention and the mayor and authorities there basically saying like nah we're not going to listen to the security concerns like we're more than happy to have these people a block and a half away from the convention site and have attendees walk through and we're not going to discuss the matter any anymore to the point where the congressional leaders had to get involved to ask the Secret Service and others to actually rethink this because it's a real danger. And the problem you have is these mayors in these urban areas are like, well, your security comes a distant second to my political standing. And so – They're scared of the same people.

They're scared those people are going to come for them. They're like, I have to live with them after you've left. Yeah, right. And we saw that in 2020, right? Like you look at a place like Portland or Seattle, you know, where you had these BLM rioters taking over like whole blocks of the city and declaring it like their own little encampment. I mean, these mayors are terrified of their own constituents. So they're not going to do anything to protect these conventions. No, that's right.

The last thing they want is an image of the cops cracking down on the protesters. And when the cops go in to install law and order, it can get ugly in front of a TV camera because people are unruly and they're looking to create that kind of a scene. They want to get on the evening news and on social media now. So, you know, the odds of them actually sending in the cops are very, very slim. So what does that do to the conventions? The Republicans are not talking about canceling theirs or making it go remote via Zoom. I will say, to your point about what's happening in Milwaukee, where the RNC is, or its convention, a Milwaukee police captain, according to the Washington Post, said there were also concerns within the community that Republican convention attendees might, quote, terrorize Milwaukee citizens and harass minorities.

There is fear in the community. Sure. Yeah. Aunt Helen in her red sweater and her white hair is really like bust up the projects. Army of old timers, Navy Blazers. It really is. Get her, boys, the one with the elephant button. Here we go.

Here, Dan. We don't believe you, sir. Guys, you're the greatest. Thanks so much and to be continued. Absolutely. Anytime, Megan. Thanks for having us. Thanks so much. And to be continued. Absolutely. Anytime, Megan. Thanks for having us. Thank you so much. Love my pals from Ruthless. The best. Holmes, Duncan, Comfortably Smug and John Ashbrecht. Back tomorrow with Marsha Clark and Mark Garagos. We'll get their take on what's happening in Team Trump.

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