The Megyn Kelly Show - Kamala's Fox Debacle is Missed Opportunity, and Media Smears Voters and Baier as Sexist, with Ruthless Hosts | Ep. 919

Episode Date: October 17, 2024

Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing Vice President Kamala Harris's recent interview with Fox News, the key missteps and missed opportunities, why she failed to move the needle with a new audience, Kamala's infuriating dodges during her Fox News interview, her inability to answer direct questions on immigration and the border, her non-stop use of talking points and weak answers, her struggles to address critical questions regarding President Biden's mental fitness, her vague answers about "turn the page," and more. Then Josh Holmes, Comfortably Smug, Michael Duncan, and John Ashbrook, the hosts of the Ruthless podcast, join to discuss the media's absurd reaction to Kamala's Fox News interview, the spin that has emerged in her defense, the attempt to attack Bret Baier for daring to ask actual journalistic questions, Kamala's reliance on scripted talking points even during friendly interviews like with Charlamagne, her new accent in that interview, the new narrative that criticism of Kamala is sexist, the latest battleground polling and what it reveals about the 2024 election, whether Trump or Harris has the lead, and more.More from Ruthless: https://www.youtube.com/ruthlesspodcastJacked Up Fitness: https://GetJackedUp.com and enter code MK for a 10% discount on your own home gym.Grand Canyon University: https://GCU.eduDonorsTrust: https://www.DonorsTrust.org/MKFollow The Megyn Kelly Show on all social platforms:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MegynKellyTwitter: http://Twitter.com/MegynKellyShowInstagram: http://Instagram.com/MegynKellyShowFacebook: http://Facebook.com/MegynKellyShow Find out more information at: https://www.devilmaycaremedia.com/megynkellyshow

Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Total failure. She did not move the needle at all. I'm sure you watched last night the Kamala Harris interview with Brett Baier on Fox News. She had an opportunity to really explain to Fox News viewers how she could help them, and she didn't. Instead, she just kept repeating her same few small ball plans for the economy, which she has all but admitted are just a pipe dream unless the Democrats take complete control of both houses of Congress. You saw she's been asked, what if there's a Republican House? What if there's a Republican Senate? How are you going to pay for that? And she told Stephanie

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getjackedup.com and enter code MK for a 10% discount on your home gym. She spent the majority of her time bashing Trump. That's what obviously this was about for her. She wanted to go on Fox News, into the belly of the beast, and just bashed Donald Trump. It was a one long game of Trump the piñata with a bunch of attacks that in many cases were utterly baseless. This, Madam Vice President, was the wrong strategy. You should have called me. You should have called me. Because I worked at the place for 14, 13 years, and I know the Fox viewers very well. And you do not win Fox viewers over by bashing Donald Trump. They love Trump, or they're at least open-minded to Trump. You win them, if they're winnable at all, by showing them, the ones who aren't huge Trump

fans but are Republicans or have voted Republican or at least kind of Trump open-minded, you show minded. You show those people that you are a better option because you can help improve their lives, that they can trust you, and that you aren't as radical as they have been hearing every day, all day on Fox News for a year. You didn't do any of that. None of it. None of it. Instead, what Kamala Harris did was she took every opportunity to show the audience she and really Joe Biden are the chief sufferers of Trump derangement syndrome. She lied over and over and over on her positions, on her policies. She denied her own record. And the worst sin was, and we saw it over and over,

she dodged question after question after question after question after question, and then played the victim trying to sound indignant when Brett tried to get her back on track. That was the biggest dynamic of the whole interview. Time and time again, she failed to answer the questions. I mean, on big issues, immigration, whether we should use taxpayer dollars to fund trans surgeries for prisoners and illegals, which is important, but also is a stand in for the overall issue of trans and the erasure of women. Finally, Brett asked her about Biden's mental acuity. No, she failed to answer that one too. Instead, she filibustered. That was her go-to trick, either with non-responsive pablum,

that was her number one choice, or sometimes on another issue entirely. Just get out of bounds, talk about something totally unrelated. And honestly, this is a politician's trick, and it's not unusual to see it. But in response to everything, you're not addressing any substance. What are you doing there? You're trying to win voters in a new forum. Why would you say nothing? The only thing of substance she said was Trump sucks. And that's the wrong strategy when dealing with Fox viewers. Honestly, it was just stupid. I don't get it. And then when Brett would try to redirect her back to the question asked, she acted like he was rude. He's rude. A word her lapdog media sycophants keep repeating today. Let me tell you something about it. To those of you morons who

think that Brett was rude in trying to get her to answer the question asked. It's not her air. It's Brett's air. It's Rupert's air. But in that half an hour exchange, it is Brett Baier's air, not yours. You don't pay to keep the shop open. You don't go out and deal with the advertisers. You don't hire the staff. You don't work with the producers. You don't lay out the lineup. You don't hire the talent. It's his air, his, not yours. You being there is a gift to you. Roger used to tell us, never thank anybody for being on your show. He used to say, don't say thank you for being here. It should go the other way. Thank you for having me. They should be thanking you. You're giving them a massive audience of several million people. I don't know what the ratings will be for last night, but it'll be big.

It's your gift to them, and it's your job to control the air when you have a guest on to keep it interesting for your audience, to keep the car driving straight ahead, and to not let it veer too far off the track. That's your obligation. Brett is employed because Fox believes accurately that he will deduce what his audience wants to have asked and seen discussed. It is not up to her to come hijack the entire interview with empty talking points we've heard 10,000 times. He did absolutely the right thing by redirecting her over and over to the question

asked and on behalf of his audience, pressing her for a real answer. He did nothing wrong. I thought he crushed it, which I posted on Twitter last night. He did a great job. Now, her little act today is being praised by the left as, you know, she looked tough. She was tough. But this was not tough. This was not toughness we saw from her. This was a candidate incapable of answering hard questions over and over, trying to dodge long enough to ideally distract the questioner. And when Brett was not distracted, then she would begin to whine that she wasn't being allowed to answer. That's not tough. Tough is answering the hard questions, which let's face it, virtually every president, a candidate can do. Obama could do it. Romney could do it. McCain

could do it. Trump can do it when he wants to, when it's one of his favorite issues, he'll go right there. She blew a big chance to define herself in a new way to say, I'll take the border. Yes, the border is a mess. But look, Brett, I was vice president, not president. I've seen what has happened to people like Jocelyn, the young girl who was 12, who was murdered by an illegal. She let in. And I'm totally committed to stopping this. Having had this experience in the number two spot has only made me more resolved. Should I be elevated to take care of this problem? And here are the executive orders I will issue on day one to do it, irrespective of whether I can get Congress to cooperate with me. That's not what she did. She just dodged. I'll show you the exchanges in a second. Same thing on the economy. She should have said something substantive instead of her myopic little $25,000 for first-time home

buyers. You know what a collection of people that is? Not big, not big enough to just make it your platform. She should have said Trump spent us into oblivion. He was like a drunken sailor. He wasn't exactly an economic purse clutcher. Now that I might be in charge, I'll take a more reasonable approach. And we'll fight the debt and we'll fight inflation. And here's exactly how she can't. She doesn't know.

She doesn't even understand those three plans she's unveiled. She's been given some talking points, which she repeats incessantly, and they're empty. She should have given some points that sounded reasonable to Fox viewers. She almost did it on the border. She admitted the border's broken, but she took no responsibility. And then she tried to gaslight us into believing she's really Stephen Miller, Trump's border guy. Do you know what I mean with that? Fingers in the belt loops, the thumbs in the belt loops. John Wayne, she came out last night with her little routine. I'm the only one who's prosecuted transnational criminal, whatever. Biden's mental acuity, that was another one. Thank God Brett asked about that. That was great. Thank God somebody finally did it. Good for him. But frankly,

it was downright embarrassing. She didn't have an answer on that. How does she not have an answer on this? She just assumes no one's going to ask her. No one has. I'm like, I'll give you an answer, Kamala. Okay. You should really listen to this show more. Cause I could help you. All right. You should have said something like Brett. What I saw was an older president who had moments of forgetting his words sometimes or his train of thought, but was still entirely capable. That's what my experience of was with him. And then came the debate. And as you know, within weeks of that, he resolved not to run for a second term. That's what else can she say? But what she said in the interview was Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. The TDS was like coming out of her ears. That's not responsive to what did you know?

And when did you know it? Which was really his question. So none of this is going to assuage even a single viewer who watches Fox, who thinks you lied, you could, and you won't admit it. All right, we're going to go through this more specifically. Let's start with immigration, which is where Brett started. It was the right thing to do. It's her most vulnerable issue. And here's a little montage of how he pressed her. How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three and a half years? Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because I agree with you. It is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have. And you know what I'm going to talk

about. Yeah, but just a number. Do you think it's one million, three million? Let's just get to the point. OK, the point is... Answer my question. ...that we have a broken immigration system that needs to be repaired. So your Homeland Security Secretary said that 85% of apprehensions... I'm not finished. We have an immigration system... It's a rough estimate of 6 million people have been released into the country. And let me just finish, and I'll get to the question, I promise you.

I was beginning to answer. And when you came into office, your administration immediately reversed a number of Trump border policies. Looking back, do you regret the decision to terminate, remain in Mexico at the beginning of your administration? The first bill, practically within hours of taking the oath, was a bill to fix our immigration system. Yes, ma'am. It was called the U.S. Citizen Citizenship Act of 2000. Exactly. It was essentially a pathway to citizenship. May I finish responding, please? But you have to let me finish. You had the White House and the House and the Senate, and they didn't bring up responding to the point you're raising. And I'd like to finish with false info. We recognized from day one that to the point you're raising. And I'd like to finish with false info.

We recognized from day one that to the point of this being your first question, it is a priority for us as a nation and for the American people. And our focus has been on fixing a problem. And then to Brett's credit, he followed up with, you were in control. Like you, you were in control. Why didn't you do it? Um, you know, he said Democrats voted against the belt and so on. So they got into it on immigration and he didn't let her slide for one second. That was a thing of beauty. I don't understand. Like these media writers out there may not know what it's like to be a Republican or an independent or a right-leaning person and how frustrating it is to watch her get away with her lies. It's a soothing balm to watch somebody actually confront her with the real facts. Okay, your stupid amnesty bill in 2021, which you purported to be a tough on the border bill,

was a joke from day one. It was your Democrat-controlled House that killed it, and the White House didn't push it. See Politico at the time you tried it. Stop trying to refer to that like it was your day one priority. What you actually did on day one was issue a bunch of executive orders that undid all of Trump's harder border policies, like remain in Mexico, like cracking down on the number of asylum claims, like you reversed the building of the wall and sold off the parts for cash. That's what she did. And all she can do is lie now. She recently stumbled upon the fact, oh, gee, we had a 2021 bill that was kind of amnesty with a couple of border enforcement things. I'll just tout that like it's real. It wasn't. The Dems killed it. And then she goes right to her 2024 border effort that we had

Republicans cooperating with us and Trump killed it because he'd rather run on a problem than run on a solution. We've heard that a million times, right? Like that's all she's got. And as for the three and a half years between those two points, she's got nothing. So he presses her in a great way by bringing up some of the families that you guys have seen and heard from on this show, the victims of her policies and Biden's policies, including the mother of little Jocelyn Nugare and her testimony before Congress about what happened to her daughter. Watch. Jocelyn Nugare, Rachel Morin, Lakin Riley, they are young women who were brutally assaulted and killed by some of the men who were released at the beginning of the administration, well before a negotiated bipartisan bill. This is a specific policy decision by your administration to release these men into the country.

So what I'm saying to you, do you owe those families an apology? Let me just say, first of all, those are tragic cases. There's no question about that. And I can't imagine the pain that the families of those victims have experienced for a loss that should not have occurred. So that is true. It is also true that if a border security had actually been passed nine months ago, it would be nine months that we would have had more border agents at the border, more support for the folks who are working around the clock, trying to hold it all together to ensure that no future harm would occur. So do you owe them an apology is what I'm saying. I will tell you that I am so sorry for her loss. I'm so sorry for her loss, sincerely. But let's talk about what is happening right now with

an individual who does not want to participate in solutions? Let's talk about that as well. But do you want to answer? In all fairness, I told you I feel awful for what she and her family have experienced. That is not the same as an apology. It's not. I feel bad. I'm sorry for her loss is not. I'm sorry for being part of what caused it.

That's what he was asking. Of course, she didn't answer that. I mean, of course. And I'll give her points for starting off right by showing some empathy for the families. However, the pivot was right to the nine months since that one stupid mirage of a border bill was tanked. That totally ignores what these parents, these families have been testifying to, which is she opened the border. She and Joe Biden opened the border and we had 10.4 million illegals come through and tens of thousands of them turned out to be criminals of one sort or another. And young girls have been murdered, raped, murdered, tortured. So have young men. And he named three of them. She took no responsibility. I'm telling you that shit is not going to fly on Fox News Channel with

those viewers. Trust me. Immigration is one of their biggest issues, and her taking no responsibility, none whatsoever, and just trying to shove that fake border bill down their throat, it's a fail. It's a fail. What are you doing there? How is any of that any different from all that you've done in this race so far? Aren't you looking to rejigger things? Aren't you looking to move the needle? That's not the way. That's not going to do it. So once again, she failed to own up to what she and her administration have done. So she keeps going to say, okay, you know, they stay on immigration. He says, look, you kept saying the border was secure during this time. When in your mind did it start becoming a crisis? And she goes on, well, we've had a broken immigration system transcending even Donald

Trump's administration. Let's be honest about it. Okay, now we're talking. Okay, are you going to have your moment where you're like, you know, it's bad. I admit it's bad. And we made it worse. Maybe you do that. And then you do the pivot and here's how I'm going to improve it. Cause I was just VP, not Pete, not Pete. And then she goes, I've been clear. She said that all night when she wasn't, I think we all are clear that it needs to be fixed. And then she, she goes on to say, okay, we need more judges at the border. We need to process these cases faster. And what she doesn't say is we need to stop them from coming in in the first. But it's not that we need to adjudicate their claims faster. Yes, that's a piece of it. We need to stop them from coming across the border to begin with. That was the main thing

Trump did. And she doesn't speak to it because she doesn't plan to do that. She doesn't plan to do that. So that's what she says. And to get those resources, you know, for the judges, because she went to the border, which she pointed out, she spent like a half an hour at the border. Now she wants us to believe she's an expert. And now you have talked to these guys and they need more money for these resources. The Congress is the only place that that's going to get that fixed. Right. But there is a ton you can do via executive order that you going to get that fixed. Right. But there is a ton you can do via executive order that you refuse to do. In fact, you took executive actions the other way. Just say you'll do them. Just say you'll do the executive actions that Trump did.

Just say that if you're really committed to shoring up the border. But she's not. So she tries to just say, oh, well, they need more financial resources and that can only come from Congress. My hands are tied. My hands are tied. Brett, to his credit, again, fires back with there were 90 plus executive orders that were rescinded in the first days. Many of those were Trump border policies. And then he's got to move on. He's already spent like four or five questions on immigration. I would have done the same. But he pivots to, you claim you talked to the border patrol. Well, their union just endorsed Trump saying, quote, you've been a failure. Why do you think they said that? Now I get what he was doing there. I will say I would have, that's too open-ended. It just gives her a platform. I would have said,

why did you rescind those orders? Why did you stop the wall? Why did you rescind remain in? Why? Why did you rescind remain in Mexico? Why did you open up the expansive possibility of applying for asylum? Why? Sometimes the whys are the hardest questions. Anyway, she went on to say, oh, they're, they're frustrated. They want support, you know, blah, blah, blah. It wasn't, fine. Then he goes back and says, look, in 2019, when you ran, you said, I'll let the illegals apply for driver's licenses and free tuition at universities and to be enrolled in free healthcare. Do you still support those things? And here's how that went down. There's a lot of people that look back at what you said in 2019 when you first ran for president.

And there have been changes, and you've talked about some of them. When it comes to immigration, you supported allowing immigrants in the country illegally to apply for driver's license, to qualify for free tuition at universities, to be enrolled in free healthcare. Do you still support those things? Listen, that was five years ago. And I'm very clear that I will follow the law. I have make that statement over and over again. What does that mean?

As vice president of the United States, that's exactly what I've done, not to mention before. You if that's the case, you chose a running mate, Tim Walz, governor of Minnesota, who signed those very things into state law. So do you support that? We are very clear, and I'm very clear, as is Tim Walz, that we must support to change federal law, to allow illegals to apply for driver's licenses, to qualify for free tuition at universities, to be enrolled in free healthcare. Do you still support those things?

This is one of my frustrations throughout. She pretended that the president has absolutely nothing to do with the law. She needs that little schoolhouse rock, just a bill, so she can figure out that when you're president, you actually are the one who signs the bills into law and who actually comes up with a lot of policy prescriptions that you then work for and advocate for with Congress, which writes the bills. But they don't become law without a veto, unless an override, I should say, unless you sign them. As the president, you need to sign the bills for them to become the laws. She's just some plebe. Well, I'll follow the law. No, no, no. You're in a position to actually make law.

You're in a position to make law. And you said you wanted to make these laws. Do you still follow that or don't you? And she just kept dodging with that stupid line. And it's an empty line meant to dodge her real policy prescriptions because why would she not just own it? What's the reason to not embrace those earlier policies? Because she still holds them and they're very unpopular. So that's what she did. Brett zeroed in on one, decriminalizing border crossings. That was another thing you said in 2019. Do you still

stand by that? And she said, I don't. I don't believe in decriminalizing border crossings. And I've not done that as vice president. Okay. She couldn't have done that as vice president, but okay. And I will not do that as president. Great. So he's, he asked her, so that's an evolution that you've had. Great. Like, let's talk about it. And here's where she goes. So annoying. Let's be very clear. I'm the only person running for president who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations. She won't discuss her evolution because there's been no evolution. What she's realized is she's too far left and she can't say the shit she really believes. So she's got to pretend again that she's Stephen Miller now. And she just does it by saying, it's not something I'll do.

He's like, explain the evolution. What did you see that made you change your mind on your stupid, dangerous idea from 2019? And instead of actually explaining anything, she goes back to her John Wayne routine about how tough she was when she was a prosecutor in a border state. Okay. Brett switches to the trans issue. He talks about how Trump's running an ad in Pennsylvania and elsewhere that hits her for supporting taxpayer funded sex change procedures, including operations for prisoners, including violent felons, people on death row, and illegals. And here again, she comes up with her infuriating, I'll follow the law, Satfor. Are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars to help prison inmates or

detained illegal aliens to transition to another gender? I will follow the law. And it's a law that Donald Trump actually followed. You're probably familiar with now it's a public report that under Donald Trump's administration, these surgeries were available to on a medical necessity basis to people in the federal prison system. And I think, frankly, that ad from the Trump campaign is a little bit of like throwing, you know, stones when you're living in a glass house. The Trump aides say that he never advocated for that prison policy and no gender transition surgeries happened during his presidency. Well, you know what, you've got to take responsibility for what happened in your administration.

Yeah, no surgeries happened in his presidency. It's in black and white. So would you still advocate for using taxpayer dollars for gender reassignment surgeries? I would follow the law, just as I think Donald Trump would say he did. You would have a say as president. Like I said, I think he spent $20 million on those ads trying to create a sense of fear in the voters

because he actually has no plan in this election that is about focusing on the needs of the American people. And then she goes on to say that this issue is really quite remote and his policy was no different. All right, this is based on a New York Times report yesterday that hit Donald Trump for being very pro giving sex change operations to people in prison. Not true. When Trump took over as president, if you read the New York Times report, when he took over as president, he inherited a policy for the prisons that Obama had put in place, allowing those procedures. And what did the Trump administration do? They fought them. They fought the policy. The legal wrangling continued throughout

his term. And then Joe Biden won. And when Joe Biden won, he was all for it. And one of those prisoners got the surgery, which the New York Times is blaming on Trump. But they challenged this procedure, both as a policy matter and as a legal matter. Trump was never in favor of this. And if you think Donald Trump is going to get into office and do anything other than try to reverse this policy, you're crazy. This is very much front of mind for Republicans right now. She knows it. And that's why she's not answering. I'll just follow the law. I'll follow the law. Well, are you going to work to revoke this policy or aren't you? We don't want to pay for the trannies to have their penises chopped off

after they've killed little kids. It's a thing for Democrats and Republicans. And by the way, it's happening. She dodged. I'll follow the law. I'll follow the law. So the problem for her here, again, is she pushed to change the law. When she was California Attorney General, that's what Trump's ad is pointing out. When she was California AG, she pushed to change the law. The law back then in California, even in liberal California, did not allow taxpayer dollars to be used for this. So she bragged on camera when she was speaking to this LGBTQ group a few years ago that she behind the scenes worked to change the policy that would allow these transgender people to get these procedures on the taxpayer dime. She's proud of it. Really, she was a couple of years ago. And that's what's in the Trump ad. She worked to do an end around the policy. And we're going to

release a special episode later today where you will hear from a prosecutor tomorrow morning, where you will hear from the prosecutor who put this guy in prison, who murdered this beautiful young-ish couple by luring them onto their own boat, a husband and wife that they were trying to sell saying, I might be interested in buying it. He got them onto their boat. He had the whole thing planned out. He had accomplices and he got them under duress to sign over the deed to the boat right before he tied them to their own ship's anchor and threw them overboard. Threw them overboard where they drowned to death, attached to the anchor of their own boat. That pig had his sex change operation paid for by California taxpayers, thanks to Kamala Harris. These are facts. Listen to the episode tomorrow

morning. It's a quick interview and Matt Murphy, the prosecutor on the case who has nothing against trans people, who's the lifelong California guy will walk you through exactly what she did. Okay, I'll follow the law. That's what she wanted to say. That's how she tried to get out of it. And this is just a remote issue. Guess again, we didn't hear anything about boys and girls sports. Maybe the next time she tries to go into a difficult or more challenging forum, that will get asked because I'd love to hear what she says, what she says on that. Then Brett switches to the economy. Why do you think more people say they trust Trump on the economy than they trust you? And now we get into the Kamala Harris wordiness. I think that when you look at an analysis of our plans for what we would do as president

of the United States, it has been clear to those who study and understand how economic policy works and moving forward, because I do believe the American people are ready to turn the page on the divisiveness and type of rhetoric that has come out of Donald Trump, TDS, TDS, TDS. People are ready to chart a new way forward, and they want a president who has a plan for the future and a plan that is sound and will strengthen our country. My plan for the economy does exactly that. His plan would be, again, to give tax cuts to billionaires and the biggest corporations in our country and will blow up our deficit. What? Not responsive. Why? She can't do it. Think about how Barack Obama would have answered this or Bill Clinton. They would have been honest. They would have said people, maybe they would have said they

tend to forget, you know, what the Trump economy actually got us. It got us an additional seven and a half trillion dollars in debt. It got us into a position where when COVID struck, we had nothing in reserve, whatever, however you want to spin it. But she can't do that. She's got to do word salad extraordinaire until she finally remembers that she's got a line about Trump's tax cuts to billionaires. And then she's like, stuck the landing. Brett says, this is another thing Republicans have wanted to hear asked. You said, turn the page. People are ready to turn the page. Madam vice president, you were asked on two different shows last week. What, if anything, would you did differently? Here's what you said. He runs clips of her saying nothing. And so he

says, so nothing comes to mind that you would do differently. And she starts with, let me be clear. She just did this over. Let me be clear. And then you can be assured what's going to follow is not clear at all. My presidency will not be a continuation of Joe Biden's presidency. That's it. She's had a week plus, she said months, but she, you know, since that question stumped her, she's had a week to come up with something good. My presidency will not be a continuation of Joe Biden's presidency. Let's listen.

So you're not Joe Biden, you're not Donald Trump, but nothing comes to mind that you would do differently? Let me be very clear. My presidency will not be a continuation of Joe Biden's presidency. And like every new president that comes in to office, I will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences and fresh and new ideas. I represent a new generation of leadership. Literally what she is saying is I am not the same person as he is. I mean, what my presidency will not be a continuation of Joe Biden's president. Yet we know, obviously we can see you're two

different human beings. This is not news. I will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas. What are they? The question is, how are they different from his? What are the new ideas? Walk us through it. She won't do it. She can't do it. It will be a continuation of the Joe Biden presidency because the answer she gave on The View last week was the real one. Nothing comes to mind. Nothing at all. She's not running to do anything differently. So if you liked your time under Joe Biden,

if you thought the economy was good and the country was going in the right direction, she's your gal. But she's speaking to Fox News viewers, trying to tell them, forget Biden. I know you didn't like him. Vote for me instead because I represent

a new generation of leadership. I have not spent the majority of my career in Washington, D.C. I invite ideas, whether it be from Republicans who are supporting me, et cetera. Okay. This is not going to persuade the Fox News viewers who understand the Republicans supporting you are Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. You may not have noticed, but they've been excommunicated from the Republican Party. This is and by the way, not for nothing, but Trump has got a Kennedy who's ready to join his cabinet. Trump has got Tulsi Gabbard, who ran for president on the Democratic ticket in 2020. So this is not special about you. Um, he says again to her, your campaign slogan is a new way forward. It's time to turn the page. You've been vice president for three and a half years.

So what are you turning the page from? We have this. All right. I'm going to play it, but like, this is one of, like, this is one of the most frustrating parts. TDS. It's a TDS answer. What are you turning page from? And she tries to say basically the last 10 years. So, okay. That brings us back to 2014. Who was president again then? Who was president through 2017? It was Barack Obama. So we got three years of the 10 with Barack Obama. We had the last three and a half years with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. So that's six of the past 10 years. And then you had four in there with Donald Trump. So you got 60% of the last 10 years with Democrats in control, Democrats in the White House. So he asks her, what are you turning the page on? Because you're currently in office. And here's how she answered it. More than 70% of people tell the country is on the wrong track. They say the country is on the wrong track.

If it's on the wrong track, that track follows three and a half years of you being vice president and President Biden being president. That is what they're saying, 79% of them. Why are they saying that? If you're turning the page, you've been in office for three and a half years. And Donald Trump has been running for office since— But you've been the person holding the office, Madam Vice President. You and I both know what I'm talking about. She's stumped.

You and I both know what I'm talking about. I actually don't. What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is that over the last decade, people have become— But you're the lever of power. But listen, over the last decade, it is clear to me and certainly the Republicans who are on stage with me, the former chief of staff to the president, Donald Trump, former defense secretaries, national security advisor and his vice president, one that he is unfit to serve, that he is unstable, that he is dangerous, and that people are exhausted. Okay. So there you can see her. She stumped. It was another Lester Holt, and I've never been to Europe moment. Remember when he's like, you haven't been to the border,

and I've never been to Europe. That was what we just saw there. And you've been in office for three and a half years, and Donald Trump has been running for office. Watch it again. More than 70% of people tell the country is on the wrong track. They say the country is on the wrong track. If it's on the wrong track, that track follows three and a half years of you being vice president and President Biden being president. That is what they're saying. Seventy nine percent of them. Why are they saying that? If you're turning the page, you've been in office for three and a half years. And Donald Trump has been running for office.

But you've been the person holding the office. Come on. You and I both know what I'm talking about. You and I both know what I'm talking about. I actually don't. What are you talking about? What I'm talking about is that over the last decade, look at he's genuinely stumped. I mean, Brett's genuinely like, what the fuck is going on right now? What do you know? What are you saying? What are you saying? Her campaign forward is a new way forward. Her slogan, a new way forward. What is the new way you're in office right now. She can't answer it. All she can say is Trump bad, orange man, bad, divisive rhetoric. Then he comes back with why

is half the country supporting him? This is an election for president. Are they misguided? She doesn't take that bait, which was a smart move on her part. Then she jumps to, okay, I wouldn't say they're stupid. No, I'm not going to say that. But he's been saying he would turn the American military on the American people. This is a lie. She repeated it and the Democrats are repeating it everywhere. Go ahead and tune into MSNBC for 15 minutes. I dare you to get through 15 minutes without this coming up. We did a fact check on this on, was it Tuesday morning at the top of our show? And it's a lie. Trump was asked by Maria Bartiromo about Joe Biden's prediction of chaos on election day and violence and asked him if he thinks that could happen. And Trump said there won't be violence from Trump supporters. But how I would handle that is, yeah, if necessary, we'd unleash the National Guard and possibly even the military.

His response was, we're not going to let that happen. We're not going to let riots in the streets tear down America because people are unhappy with the election results. That's what he was saying. That is what this is based on. Yes, he talks about the enemy within. And you heard that. I mean, he was specifically in one instance talking about people like Adam Schiff who have made it their entire business and career to try to ruin Trump. But he talks about these radical leftists who he calls Marxists and so on.

And he was like, these are the enemy from within. That's fine. That's normal political rhetoric. Frankly, the Democrats say far worse. But the thing that makes this really controversial is to tie the threat to unleash the National Guard or the U.S. military on said people. That's what's pushing people over the edge. And they're doing it totally falsely. It's a lie. He has not said that. He said if there were riots in response to the election, that would be an appropriate response. And most of us agree with him. That's what we wanted to see during BLM. Get the National Guard out there. Stop letting people get murdered by these loons. Don't let 2000 cops get hurt. We should have handled that more aggressively

under his presidency. And he's saying, I got the message and I won't allow that. But they've turned it into the government's coming, the military's coming to your backyard barbecue if you voted for Kamala Harris. It's just, it's a lie. And honestly, this is where she gets so incredibly whiny. All right. So she, he says to her, she gets into her thing about, he suggested he would turn the American military and the American people. And Brett takes a bit of a weird turn here where he says, we had a town hall with Trump this afternoon and we asked him about this statement. And he tosses to a soundbite between Trump and Harris Faulkner, where she asks him about the controversy and he plays Trump's defense of the controversy, which is basically Trump being like, well, we have it. Okay, let's watch. If you listen to Donald Trump,

if you watch any of his rallies, he's the one who tends to demean and belittle and diminish the American people. He's the one who talks about an enemy within, an enemy within, talking about the American people, suggesting he would turn the American military on the American people. We asked that question to the former president today. Harris Faulkner had a town hall, and this is how he responded. I heard about that. They were saying I was like threatening. I'm not threatening anybody. They're the ones doing like threatening. I'm not threatening anybody. They're the ones doing the threatening. They do phony investigations.

I've been investigated more than Alphonse Capone. He was the greatest. No, it's true. We don't think of it. It's called weaponization of government. It's a terrible thing. So, Brett, I'm sorry. And with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he's speaking about the American people.

That's not what you just showed. He was asked. That's not what you just showed in all fairness and respect to you. The question that we asked. He didn't show that. And here's the bottom line. He has repeated it many times. He has talked about turning the American military on the American people.

No, no. Again, so this is so annoying because Brett did nothing wrong. He's trying to keep advancing the ball. We've been hearing them playing these Trump soundbites for a week now. He's trying to say, I heard your accusation. You made it repeatedly that he's making these threats. Well, we asked him what his defense to these accusations is. He's trying to move the ball forward to make news. And here's

what he said. Would you like to respond to that? And she could easily have said, you know, whatever she wanted to like, look, he's not sorry. He didn't walk it back. You know, he claimed in that clip he wasn't threatening anybody, but go look at the tape, right? Instead, she tried to accuse Brett of playing like the wrong clip as if he had the wrong, no, Brett has seen the clips. Trust me. He's seen the clips. He's trying to move the story forward. Now, I think probably a more clear way would have been fine. This is what Trump said first. Here's what Trump said. I mean, honestly, you could have just played what Trump said originally with the full context. It happened on Fox with Maria Bartiromo. Just play it. Let the audience hear he was talking about riots on

election day. He's not talking about sending the military to go torture Kamala Harris voters and then say, aren't you taking it out of context? That's what I would have done. But this is fine. This is another approach. And she decided to get, once again, to feign indignation over him allegedly playing the wrong soundbite as if Trump didn't say it. And that's what Brett was trying to get at. That's not what at all. He's trying to get you to respond to his defense. It's called an opportunity for you, madam, to take a shot at Trump's defense. She wouldn't do it. She just feigned indignation. And this is their favorite clip over on MS this morning. Oh, shit. Mika presencing. Good for her.

Brett Baer used to be a respected journalist. He's a hack. He queued up the wrong. That's not what Trump said. You people are too stupid to live. This is so dumb. You're so dumb. Either you're dumb or you're dishonest. I think probably both, to be perfectly honest. Anyway, fine. That's how that went. Then he tries to defend himself. She doubles down on her nonsense about he's going to lock people up. He's going to send the American military against them. That needed to be fact-checked. Go ahead. Is it Steve Krakauer? Is it our Tuesday episode where we did a fact-check on this? It's at the top of the program. Yeah, just click that program. It's the first 10 minutes. You will understand exactly. And then she's back on her TDS. He's not stable. He's not stable. He's not

stable. We should all be concerned. And then he asks her the question about Biden's mental faculties. Listen here. The significance of that. You call Donald Trump, he's misguided. You say now he's unstable. He is unstable. He's not well. You say he's mentally not stable. He's not stable. Let me ask you this. You told many interviewers that Joe Biden was on his game that ran around circles on his staff. When did you first notice that President Biden's mental faculties appeared diminished? Joe Biden, I have watched in from the Oval Office to the Situation Room, and he has the judgment and the experience to do exactly what he has done in making very important decisions on behalf of the American people. There were no concerns raised? Joe Biden is not on the ballot.

I understand. And Donald Trump is. Not responsive. But you talked about it. And Donald Trump is. George Clooney said within a few minutes of talking to President Biden at a fundraiser that he thought this was not the same Joe Biden that we saw on the debate stage. Donald Trump is on the ballot. I understand.

You met with him at least once a week for three and a half years. You didn't have any concerns? I think the American people have a concern about Donald Trump. She won't answer. She can't. She knew. She knew for as long as everyone in that administration knew, and she covered it up. And when asked point blank, when did you know? She dodged. I mean, look at that answer. I'm just looking at the transcript. He asked her, when did you first notice his mental faculties appeared diminished? She tried to just say, Joe Biden's great. He has the judgment experience. Brett,

no concerns raised. Joe Biden's not on the ballot. That's the point. He's not on the ballot because he had a mental collapse at a presidential debate. And then the state of his mental acuity became a national security problem and a political problem for you guys. So when did you know? That's the question. Joe Biden's not on the ballot. The next answer, Donald Trump, Donald Trump, Donald Trump. George Clooney said within a few minutes he saw it. What about you? Donald Trump is on the ballot. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. I'm telling you, Fox viewers will be sitting there pulling their hair out.

You failed. You blew your opportunity. You blew your big moment to go into the lion's den and show how tough you were because you couldn't answer the tough questions. Because you were complicit, and we know it. You met with him at least a week, at least once a week for three and a half years. You didn't have any concerns. Donald Trump. And then another long answer about Donald Trump. It ended with him asking about Iran and, you know, how this

administration has not acted like Iran is the number one threat. She resorted to her word salad, well, I will tell you, most recently, whether it was April or October, and then several hours on each occasion that Iran posed a threat to Israel. I was there, most recently in the Situation Room, in the most recent attack, working with the heads of our military and doing what America must always do, to defend and to support Israel in its requirement to defend itself, and to give American support to be able to allow Israel to have the resources to defend itself against attack, including from Iran and Iran's terrorist proxies in the region. And that, and my commitment to that, is unyielding and unwavering. You've said

nothing because you were in the situation room when things went down. That's all you've said. How does that show you understand and have pushed policies that take into account Iran is the biggest threat we're facing? It doesn't. It's just incredibly frustrating. She's incredibly empty. She knows nothing about foreign policy. I mean, nothing, nothing. At least if you look at Donald Trump over the years, he was coming up a businessman. And so when you talk about foreign policy all the time, he's the one who made China a story and tariffs and trade. She knows nothing. When we come back, our friends from Ruthless will be here to help us get further into this and the insane media reaction to it. You're being gaslit by the left. This is a failure

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sort of thing. Yeah. It's kind of chic. I like it. All right. So what did you think of last night? We appreciate having your air time. And we fully respect. You're welcome. You are welcome. It is an honor, I'm sure. All right. So what'd you think of last night? Let me start with like two observations

before we get into the Kamala stuff, because I think all of us have got thoughts on that. First of all, Brett Baier did an absolutely exceptional job. I mean, this is, he's one of very few, remarkably few journalists, yourself included, that when you get into a situation where you're interviewing a public figure of some significance, that they can actually do their job in a way that journalism is supposed to be done.

I think he did an exceptional job. Second of all, what I found so hilarious about the reaction to all of this is the Democrats acting like she just stormed the beaches at Normandy because she answered four questions. You know, it's like, no, no, no. Like that's the job that people are supposed to do who call themselves journalists. And like Brett is an absolute blue chip journalist. Like this is what he does. He did the same thing to Donald Trump, by the way. You know, so I listen. I understand that they don't watch Fox, so they don't know what actual journalism looks like on Special Report at six o'clock. But that's what it is. Right.

Or any but or any channel. I guess it's not available, but they it's been so long. And by that, I mean, never that Kamala Harris has had a challenging interview since she became the nominee. They don't even understand it when they see it. It's like the dog with the hmm, hmm. Instead of being like, oh, journalism, they're like, oh, he's so I'll give you a sampling, guys. Here is a little bit of the media meltdown in response to that interview. We witnessed a man who spent his life as a down the middle journalist,

seeming to throw it all away for his audience of one, interrupting the vice president awkwardly and unnecessarily. I thought she handled it masterfully. I mean, he was rude. I think Brett Baer was rude. So was it a home run? No. Did she need it to be a home run? Absolutely not. I was quite repulsed by Brett Baer. The attack mode from the beginning was quite stunning. Vice President Kamala Harris kicks Brett Baer's ass. Extraordinary performance from the vice president in hostile territory. And frankly, Brett Baer should leave, quit the job, and go to a monastery and hope to atone.

Yeah, the lib media reaction is exactly what I was waiting for this morning after I saw it last night. I mean, every morning when I get up, I like to say today is going to be an insane day. And what I saw this morning out of the left wing media just did not disappoint. Yeah, a huge missed opportunity. I mean, take it out of the partisan lens. And, you know, Democrats for weeks have been telling, begging Kamala Harris's campaign to distance herself from President Biden. And she refused to do that. And Brett Baier gave her numerous opportunities. He was like, look, you know, 80 percent of this country thinks we're on the wrong track. Is there anything you would have done differently in the last three and a half years? And she can't. He asked her, OK, what's going to be different about your administration than Joe Biden? The best

she could do is, well, I will be a different person. It'll be a, you know, a different person will be taking the new generation of leadership. Unbelievable. And you're younger. You would think on Fox News, if they had a strategy as a presidential campaign to make that pivot, to make distance between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, do it on Fox. You've got people willing to hear that message that are independent, that are conservative leading. And like you had a huge opportunity. That's what I is blowing my mind about this is it was a huge opportunity for Kamala Harris to finally make that pivot. And she didn't. But she ain't got it. You know, I mean, that's the problem.

She just doesn't have another gear like this is for whatever you saw Kamala Harris. And I think it was an abject disaster for for all the reasons that you pointed out in your monologue at the top. She doesn't have that's as good as you're going to get. Like it doesn't get any better for her than that. And imagine you spent the last two weeks not being able to answer the simple question of what you would do differently. And then you get a shot to redo it and you still haven't come up with anything. Like sooner or later, you're just like, well, I guess it's all we got. It's Kamala Harris and Scott Donald Trump, you know? Oh, well.

So I will add this. I also thought she was whiny. Like that business about against the American people. She's got to be aware she has a terrible voice. As Maureen Callahan describes it, it's vocal fry adjacent. It's too much. It's vocal fry adjacent. It's too much. It's a, it's a lot. And there's a clip online on Twitter where it has a split screen of her with like the angry scolding look

and Brett bear as follows with the eyes closed. And they were like, there isn't a man alive who can't relate to this. She's a lot. And I, I teed up just a little sampling of what I am referring to. Watch. May I finish responding, please? But you have to let me finish. I'm in the middle of responding to the point you're raising. And I'd like to finish turning the page on rhetoric that people are frankly exhausted of Brett. People are people. He's the one who talks about an enemy within, an enemy within, talking about the American people. That's not what you just showed. He was asked about that specific-

No, no, no, that's not what you just showed in all fairness and respect to you. No, no, no, I'm telling you that was the question that we asked him. He didn't show that. You say now he is unstable. He is unstable, but this is a democracy and an inner democracy. The president of the United States in the United States of America should be willing to be able to handle criticism.

My take on that, guys, is like that the young gals might be looking for like a girl boss moment. She's already got them because they want abortions. She needs to get men. And you tell me what man is out there like, I want to spend more time with that. I mean, so I believe it was actually Roger Ailes who would point out that if you watch people on mute just for the body language, it's extremely telling of what's happening there. And I actually, after I'd

watched it, I muted it. It was much more enjoyable with her on mute, but her body language, the last 30 seconds for me were just completely critical. She was back in her chair, arms folded, just giving off as much hostility as physically possible a person can convey. That whole interview, she basically came off as being someone who is angry, combative, extremely unlikable. And she's not serving herself any favors with male voters, with female voters, with any voting bloc, except for the left who has found themselves in a position where they want to be gaslit, where they want to say, oh, she won the day. Yes, I am happy. She does not want to answer any questions for me.

Brett Baier, you know, it's sad that the state of being a great journalist is asking questions the average American want to know. At what point did you notice Joe Biden had cognitive decline? One of the things that makes Brett so good at this gig is that he exudes his comfortability, right? And at one point she was just trying to talk over him the whole time and he's like, I think we're just talking over each other, I apologize.

Here's what I'm trying to ask. It's this disarming way as a viewer, you watch it and you're like, oh, he's got total control of this situation. Meanwhile, you look at her and it's like, it's just combative. All right, I've got to read you this, Holmes. So first you look at her and it's like, it's just combative. All right. I've got to read you this Holmes. So first of all, I do want to say it is,

I'm going to read you this quote because it's plays right off of what you're saying, but the opposite view, um, Brett revealed after the interview that they got there late, they were supposed to take between five and five 30. His show starts at six. And when you're doing what's called an as live, where you're doing an interview that's pre-taped and you're just going to run it as was, you know, without edits, it does take some time to ingest it into the system and to turn it. Like you can't, can't be doing that interview up till five 58 and make air at six. Trust me, we've been in this position many times on many shows I've done. And, uh, so it was important that it go from five to five 30, as she agreed to do. He revealed after the fact, she didn't show up until five 15 and sat down fine. He was a pro. He started taping it with her and that 25 minutes in instead of 30, her team was giving him the hard

rap. He said four of her staffers were behind her like rap rap, which explains why he was like, he even said it in the interview, like I'm getting the hard rap here, which is so weird because it must have been over the top because if you've got staffers telling you a hard rap is necessary, but the candidate is speaking and going on, she's supposed to be the boss.

Like she should be in charge. If she wants it to go on, it's gonna go on. I wouldn't be listening to the staffers. So they were in a panic because they knew it wasn't going well. And they, they really tried to F him, which by the way, did increase the time pressure on Brett. He knew he had to get through these subjects and to stop the talking points and the non sequiturs. And he did a great job of it. But here's what I wanted to read you. There's a lot of crazy media reaction, but this guy stood out to me. He works for Deadline.

His name is Dominic Patton. And it's just so over the top. Having been roasted online by the MAGA base in anticipation of softball questions, quote, real journalist, as the VP called him at one point. You're already wrong, Dominic. She called him a serious journalist. So already you fucked up your facts. Brett barely let the VP get a word in during the opening part of the sit down as bear played largely to the MAGA base and his core viewership. The veteran anchor appeared largely out of his depth, challenged on his questions and wanting to flex his own muscles.

Baer ended up fumbling his line of questioning and losing control of the interview to the well-prepped VP as he got caught up in centering over and over on culture war issues and Joe Biden's mental acuity. Oh, my God. Well, Megan, you know, when I want analysis on depth, the first place I usually turn is deadline. And I tell you how many opportunities I've had to, like, go to deadline and and just doubt what is really going on behind the scenes. You just you don't know until you read deadline.

One of the things that was interesting to me about the four staffers waving their hands in the background is what subject they were covering when they did it. She was getting very weak on Iran and they lost their minds. Yeah, we can't let her keep talking about Iran because we have Iran sympathists who are working for us. And so we can't mess that up. They're watching Michigan poll numbers. Good point. Exactly. Complaining that Brett was interrupting her. Well, you know, you got to make some clarifying points during an answer in which like they all start with, well, we really got to go

back to the signing of the Treaty of Versailles before we talk about the border crisis. You know, like she was clearly stalling for time because she didn't want to have to answer the question. I mean, it was Brett who had to name check the bill she was referencing that would, quote, secure the border. U.S. citizenship act, which is an amnesty bill, like a border security bill. And then she talks about, well, in the last nine months, we could have passed a bill that would have strengthened all these things. And yes, he has to clarify, well, Lake, that doesn't help Lake and Riley because the illegal immigrant that murdered her got in and, you know, 2022. Yeah. And it's like, that's the job of a journalist.

I know that's uncomfortable for them that, that she got asked real questions, but it's nice that finally, well, they don't know that. I mean, that's, that's the thing that's so blatantly obvious about it. First of all, the fever swamp that the deadline guy lives in, you'd be like, look at that and get the hell out as fast as possible. But like they're so unaccustomed to any sort of real pushing or questioning. I mean, look, this this lady's been the nominee of the Democratic Party since mid-July. Nobody's ever asked her. I mean, the fact that she's on stage in the first place is because of the mental decline, obviously, of her boss. Right. And that's why he got off the ticket and she's on it. That's not an imperative question to be asked. That's

the first time anybody's ever said, hey, Connelly, did you ever notice that the guy couldn't complete a sentence? Right. Right. The rest of the media can't do it because they were in on it. This is the first person she has sat with who wasn't in on it and therefore had no qualms about saying, yo, he's been in decline for a long time and you've been vouching for him. Let me read you something on the interruptions. I mean, this is, first of all, David Plouffe, who's I think running her campaign, tweeted out right after it was over, Kamala Harris, strong. Now you tell me when you have to tell the people she was strong. You don't really see Donald Trump's people tweeting out,

Donald Trump, strong. We know. Kamala Harris, strong, handled an ambush Fox interview light years better than the hash Donald Trump, unstable, made of the Fox pep rally disguised as a town hall. So it was an ambush, according to him. Claire McCaskill. Brett Baier was downright rude and disrespectful. She's strong. She's strong. She tweeted. Dan Pfeiffer, who's part of that Pod Save America, right? Brett Baier likes to dress up as a journalist, but he is as committed to the larger Fox News project as Hannity or Piriro. Here's the question of this. Harris, Harris handled that Fox News interview with confidence and skill. Now try to imagine Donald Trump handling tough antagonistic questions. You got to be kidding me. Yeah, no, it's crazy. Three months ago, they were all saying, no, Joe Biden's a mental giant behind the scenes. Just trust us today. They're saying, oh, Kamala was really strong. She killed it. Yeah.

And I don't get why people like Puff and Pfeiffer are humiliating themselves. They've already made so much money. Like the pod save guys got in trouble with their employees going on strike because their houses are an architectural digest. You don't have to humiliate yourself like this. You're already loaded. So Smug, maybe we're being too hard. Maybe they just really don't like interruptions,

like Claire McCaskill, all these MSNBCers. Maybe they really don't like interruptions, as we heard on MSNBC, we heard on CNN. Oh, wait. Here's a little montage to remind you. The biggest scandal was when they spied on my campaign. They spied on my campaign, Leslie. There's no real evidence of that.

Of course there is. It's all over the place. Leslie, they spied on my campaign. There's no real evidence of that. Of course there is. It's all over the place. Leslie, they spied on my campaign and they got caught. Can I say something? You know, this is 60 Minutes and we can't put on things we can't verify. You won't put it on because it's bad for Biden. We can't put on things we can't verify. Leslie, they spied on my campaign. Well, we can't verify that. It's been totally verified. You haven't asked about inflation. No, no, I'm sorry. Let's stick to this. I know, I know.

The American people want us to talk about how to make their lives better. They don't want us to. Why won't you say that? The unselect committee destroyed all the evidence. They say they don't. I want to know about your perspective. Mr. President, they put out an announcement. I agree.

You don't want to talk about policy. No, what I want to talk about you don't want to talk about policy, which is why you're talking about other distractions instead of about the fact that Kamala Harris, Dana, granted amnesty at a mass level. Granted amnesty at a mass level. This is an attack on a political opponent. I have another one where I have a hostile judge- We have you for a limited time, sir.

I'd love to move on to different topics. No, excuse me. You're the one that held me up for 35 minutes. You absolutely could re-engage folks into the American labor market. This is, I think, towards construction? Of course you could. I mean, the unemployment rate is 4.1%. But the unemployment rate, Lulu, this is important.

But most people who don't work can't work in the regular economy. Maybe they are okay, depending on who's across from the journalist at issue. Yeah. I mean, partisanship's a hell of a drug. The problem is, is that, you know, there aren't any Walter Cronkites roaming around those mainstream corporate media outfits anymore. I mean, they just don't have them. And they're so unaccustomed to any Democrat being pushed in the same way that every single Republican is. And even on their own, like conservative networks, like conservatives want answers to things. They don't like just want to see your face. I mean, they want answers to things. Libs don't. They just want power. I would love to know what that woman considers the regular economy. I feel like that would be really interesting.

What is a regular economy? The double standard is just so in your face. But I will say there was one line that Kamala Harris delivered in that interview, which will come back to haunt her. I mean, I should say Trump tweeted out the whole interview saying our latest campaign ad just dropped. Yeah. But there was one line in particular. We liked it so much we made a button of it. Listen. I take responsibility for what happened in your administration. There we go. Let's hear it again. I take responsibility for what happened in your administration. What an amazing admission. Right. As she spends the rest of the 25 minutes discussing how she has absolutely no

responsibility for the administration that she serves in. Right. I mean, it's just a wild, it, we come back to those things. Like you mentioned on the view and that she says that she wouldn't do anything different than, than Biden or this clip. There are like basic central tenets of this campaign that they have tried to work the entire messaging around that. She's new, that she's different. She'll do things different than Joe Biden, that this is a change election and she is the change agent, whether it's generational or policy wise or all those things. And yet every single time that she's asked anything remotely touching those things, she fucks it up.

And it's like, dude, like, is somebody not have just one talking point? Is there not just one talking point over in the Kamala Harris campaign where like, every time you're asked about something, say this. I mean, yes, the answer to that is yes. And we've heard it a thousand times here. She was with Charlemagne, the God on his radio show yesterday, unleashing her very favorite one. It's not 26. Knowing the entrepreneurship that we have in the community, the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams, not everybody has access to the capital, but we know in the community we do not lack for ambition, aspirations, dreams, hard work ethic. My agenda is about tapping into the ambitions and the aspirations,

knowing that folks want to have an opportunity. There's a couple of things that you said. I appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. There's a couple of things that you said that people would say were talking points, but it's really just your story, even though they are becoming your greatest hits. Come on. Come on. He's a pro. He tried to save her, you know? Oh, many times his questions were ridiculous. I actually can't believe what a bootlicking experience it was. I would have expected a couple of tough ones. Um, why, why do you let him call you the border czar? That wasn't your role.

Why is it okay for him to say he will lock up his political opponents? It's ridiculous. I mean, they all went like this. I will show you my favorite part of that interview, though, where she promises she's going to win and debuted a new accent. Take a listen. This is a margin of error race. It's tight. I'm going to win. I'm going to win race. It's tight. I'm going to win.

I'm going to win. But it's tight. And, you know, what is at stake is truly profound. I have that to you guys. Yet another one. Like, she gets in front of a largely black audience. And I'm going to win. I'm going to win, girl.

I mean, it's so obvious. It's so insulting. She gets away with it. Of all the Democrat candidates to copy, she goes with Hillary Clinton being unlikable and creating accents on the spot. That's not exactly the template for victory. Is that how you win black men? You talk like that? Is that what she's doing?

Maybe we should try sending President Obama to scold them. Maybe that'll make them think I'm less of a scold. Maybe she's just running boldly on the platform of inauthenticity. She's like, everybody tries to be authentic. Let me do the exact opposite. I mean, her reach out is so absurd to the black men. This continues, right? Because she thinks she can win if she can just boost those numbers with the black men who are going more and more for Trump. And that requires going on Charlamagne's show and talking like that. I'm going, I'm going, you tell it, girl. I hear that girl. Like, come on. This is ridiculous. We hear you all the time. We, we know this is not how you talk. And she released her plan the other day. You saw where it's like, I know exactly what black men want. I'm going to legalize weed. I put 1900 black people and others in jail for smoking weed or for dealing weed out in California.

But now I've seen the light. I'm going to legalize weed. Does that appeal to you, black men? That's what I think of you. And Van Jones, as if on cue, comes in when he sees her plan, which is like, we're going to study the diseases that affect black men. We're going to create special loans just for black men, which is illegal. That's not okay. You're not allowed to do that in America under our constitution. She promptly reversed it and said, oh, I mean, for everyone, for everyone, which she did on Charlemagne, because it's illegal to do it. Anyway, he takes a look at her little list and look at his reaction. Finally, Kamala Harris sent us a love letter.

To you, that might have been a policy document. I read that as a love letter from Kamala Harris to black men who need some love, black men who need some respect, black men who need some concern and some care and consideration. You know, we need some mamala from Kamala. And we got that. Oh, nothing. How about how about jobs? How about a better income? How about a better shot at exactly what you want? It's like, I, what I don't understand is her pandering is like, I've never seen anything like it. And it's not just the accent. It's not just the made up lines. It's not just the endless string of prepositional phrases. It's like saying what she thinks people want to hear. And it's,

they're just like, Hey, how, how about a better life for me and my family? Yeah. No, it's condescending to a hundred percent. I mean, well, you start with the drug legalization thing, like, okay, all right. Well, that's certainly an assumption that you've made Kamala Harris about our community, but then you have these like nickel and dime, $25,000, whatever, $50,000 small business write-offs and all of these things. And then they're like, Oh, she'll get through with the government. But remember, I mean, look, the Biden administration actually tried to do this with black farmers. It wasn't until the Supreme Court stepped in and was like, hey, by the way, there is like a mountain of civil rights leaders that fought for the whole idea that we can't award

race-based consideration of tax dollars in this country. And like, I don't know, they sort of had a pretty good point and they threw the whole thing out and she's like, no, we'll try that again. Oh, wait, can't do that. Sorry. I mean, it's just, it's self-possessing. My plan is falling apart within days of announcing it. I mean, hours of announcing it. I do want to get back just for a minute to the media reaction to her interview last night, because we've been hearing more and more, um, the, her supporters mentioned the woman thing. It wasn't just Barack Obama. We've been, I heard on the New York times, the daily podcast the other day, like more and

more, they're trying to attribute whatever problems she's having in the, in the polls to, you know, the country doesn't like women. Women can't make it in America. And here was the most explicit version I heard from Anand, Anand Jirharadas. He's an NYU professor and an MSNBC contributor. And here was his reaction this morning to the Fox News interview. But it was almost interruptionism last night. I was watching this and it was like, this is this is interruption as an art form interruption. And it felt like it started to like interruption as a metaphor for a rising new America, a new generation of leadership, a woman, a person of color in Kamala Harris trying to speak. And this kind of figure of the old guard who was offended at the notion that her voice

had a volume, right, that her vocal cords made sound, invited her on the show and then was very, very angry that he could hear her. And it just felt like a metaphor for a minority in this country that is angry at the notion that a rising pluralist, more pluralist new America is speaking, is around, is here, and a desire to interrupt not just a person, but the future. And I actually don't think the future will be interrupted. So this guy is a complete moron. And I think Americans are really fed up with this kind of game where it really started during the Obama presidency, but saying everything is racism. This is white supremacy. This is sexism. This is misogyny. We're no longer in a place where

we have an economy where we're allowed to have this kind of luxury of this made up garbage to be a concern for Americans. We have Western North Carolina underwater. Americans are paying 8% on mortgages. They don't want to hear a message that actually you're a racist and America is a terrible country. And they keep trying to play this. And it's just that strategy is not going to work anymore. There's actual serious concerns for Americans. The border is wide open. Americans are getting murdered. There's houses, there's buildings. The border is wide open. Americans are getting murdered. There's houses, there's buildings being taken over by gangs from Venezuela. And you have Martha Ratz who says, well, I mean, it's only a few buildings, J.D., that have been taken over.

There are real problems. And for these people to try to cover for an idiot. This is Kamala Harris is not only unprepared to be dangerous to have such a moron in office, unprepared for even meeting with Brett Baier, let alone run the country. And they're trying to play the racism card. Americans are fed up with that. I don't know. Smug. I think a lot of, you know, Trump, Trump voters who might watch that would be very compelled to believe what that character from the Hunger Games movie told.

I don't see. I couldn't even listen to what he was saying. I was like, dude, pull your finger out of the lights. What is that hair? What the hell? That's a lot. Unbelievable. There's a lot of hair going on there, but it's not just a nod.

I'll give you an example of what we've been hearing in recent days is her poll numbers struggle in state after state. Watch. You just aren't feeling the idea of having a woman as president. That's what being a man is? Putting women down? That's not exciting. I think what weighs Kamala Harris down are two things that are obvious that distinguishes her from, say, a Hillary Clinton or a Joe Biden or even a Barack Obama. This is a woman of color. And he's asking people who are the most racist of this country to

support him. I'm on a Trump 47 bus. I'm a Latino. He has me on that bus. That means you're okay with racism. It doesn't mean he's not racist. Absolutely. We do have a fascist groundswell in parts of this country, mainly among white men, let's be clear, but in small pockets among black and brown men, too. This happens to be a global phenomenon as women become more economically independent and seek positions of power. But somehow it's a tight race. It comes down to race. It comes down to gender. Like, if Kamala was a rich white man, the race probably wouldn't be as close. This country still has an uninvestigated race problem that we are afraid to investigate. There's a reason why America has the same number of female presidents as the Taliban.

There's a certain type of person who thinks that voting for a woman makes you less of a man. Comparing this country to the Taliban. I mean, it's just, look time after time after time. It is the last leftist refuge of a losing argument. Every time they get behind the eight ball, whether it's a policy argument or whether it's a campaign argument or something, it's always racism and sexism. It has to be because certainly our leftist ideas that have bankrupted more countries around this world over the last 50 years than anything else aren't the problem. Yeah. And certainly it can't be the problem

that we nominated an absolute idiot. I mean, there are millions of women in this country have no problem getting their point across. I live with four of them and I'm on TV. I don't I don't understand why they're like, oh, no, they're against women. No, we're against that one. You know, she's she's a moron. Can you think think about how the other leaders around the world are talking? We've talked about this on the show. They make fun of her amongst themselves. Our enemies are like, yeah, I hope Kamala wins so that America steps down a notch and

it gives us a competitive advantage. But don't you think, fellas, and we talked a little bit about this this week on our show, Megan, don't you think that when they go to this last refuge, when they get to the point where you're all just a bunch of sexists or the argument that Barack Obama was making, isn't that basically what has pushed men away to begin with? I mean, exactly. That's the thing. It's like what man in America wants to be nagged and guilted into accepting that they're the problem, like in all of this, like it's not what we all see with our eyes every single day that somehow like, oh, once again,

look, we looked into it, looked at the evidence and you're the problem. And it's like, I feel like the men of America are tired of that. Back to Smug's point, there's real problems, the economy, North Carolina being underwater. And it's like, we're not going to take this bullshit anymore. That's right. I really think that the average American, they're smart. They may not be, you know, well-educated or quote book smart in all cases, but that they have street smarts, they have instincts and that's why they make good jurors. And you, you know, I've, I've tried cases in front of juries before, and you have a witness up there who is like kind of slimy in like they're wiggling in response to the questions. It's a gift. You almost don't, you don't need to nail them down. As the questioner, you just need to ask the question

maybe twice, possibly a third time, depending on how important it is, just to show the jury he won't answer. I don't have to club you over the head with it. You see it. I see it. And that was the sin she committed last night. She wouldn't answer on the three and a half years that she did nothing about the border. She wouldn't answer on the trans prisoners thing, which should be a very easy answer for her. She wouldn't answer about Biden's mental acuity and what she saw. And what they saw was somebody who was wiggly and didn't want to be straight with them. That she did blow an opportunity, both because she wouldn't take positions on issues that are important and because she telegraphed to them. I can't be trusted. I won't level with you.

I'm really just a Democrat operative, you know, but I'm going to win. I'm going to win. I think that's entirely right. I mean, we joke about this all the time. The American people are often way, way, way ahead of not only where politicians are, but the media that are attempting to report on them. You look at things like Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. I mean, the reason he didn't take a nosedive in the polls when all that stuff came out is people were like, man, I knew the minute that thing came up, what would happen? Like, I got it. Right. Or like you look at like the Stormy Daniels thing, people are just shocked and aghast that that whole trial where she's testifying

didn't hurt Donald Trump. People were like, dude, we got it. We already processed all six years ago. You know what I mean? They know what's happening. They know when somebody is not giving them a straight answer, which is precisely what she did in every question. Right. It's one thing I've talked to the audience before about bridging away. They taught us this as young lawyers, how to bridge when a judge asks you a question that's just terrible for your side. And you do have to do that sometimes. And politicians do it all the time. And Trump does it and I get it. But you cannot do that on the core issues of this election, like immigration and why you didn't do anything about it, you know? And the trans thing has totally exploded in the last few weeks of this. It's like becoming one of the top issues and it's terrible for them. So she was just as wiggly on that, even though it's very

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I realize that at this point in the game, it's dangerous to look at polls for anything. The only one that matters is on November 5th, but I'm going to do it anyway. What the hell? The latest are showing some weird things, guys. Marist has got Harris up nationally plus five over Trump. Among independents, they've got Trump up 10 points over Harris.

And that's up six points for Trump since their last poll. So he gained six points with independents, but he's trailing her in the overall by five. And then 1776 Projects, Ryan Gerduski tweeted out. If you're seeing this and wondering how this can be, it's because the sample size was D plus seven D plus seven puts her up five points over him in the, in the national. That's crazy. Who goes to the poll? It puts that has the seven percentage point favor of the Democrat towards Democrats and who they ask. Same thing with this Fox poll that's getting attention today has her down two points in the overall to Trump. But then without providing the crosstabs, they say, however, she's ahead by six points

among voters from the seven battlegrounds. What does that mean? Six points. So she's beating him by six points among voters in the seven battlegrounds without providing any crosstabs or information. But if you dig into the last one, guess what the margin of error is on that poll? 6.5 percentage points. It's totally useless. So what is this? This is garbage. Fox polling is usually better than this. This is disgusting. This is like, it's a lie. So I don't know what to think.

I'll give you just two more. Quinnipiac battleground polling that just dropped shows Trump up seven in Georgia over her. He had been up five. And in North Carolina, which is a redder state, shows her up two. Whereas in the September 29th poll, he'd been up one.

So a lot of people are saying online, these polls make no sense. How can North Carolina be more blue than Georgia? What do you guys make of it? Yeah, I mean, look, a couple of things off the top. First of all, national polling is absolute garbage at this point because their universe is including a whole bunch of coastal

people. Their electoral votes have long been since counted, right? So you got to throw out all your national polls and look for these battleground things. Here's, let me just say, is a jumping off point. And then we can talk about these specific things. Polling gets really jumpy in the month of October. You have every media organization in the country that is polling all of these things. You've got every campaign statewide. You've got the presidentials. You have the super PAC supporting said campaigns. And then you have these like independent pollsters out there doing it. So your average sample that you need to get, you know, what is reflective of a universe of actual voters is penetrated like 17 different

times in any given week. And how many people do you know, Megan, that spend Friday night, 35 minutes talking to a random pollster about all their thoughts and dreams as it pertains to the electorate? There's really a small number of people that will actually do that. So when you have that kind of inundation, it makes it increasingly difficult to actually get good numbers out of it. And that's why you see October stuff start jumping around. I mean, in the industry, the way that I prefer to do it, if you're trying to make a decision in terms of messaging or something else, is something we call tracking, which basically leaves it open where you're constantly pulling

each and every night because it averages out your three or five day roll. So if you get a real bad night or a real good night, you can see everything kind of averaged out over the middle. Now, of course, media organizations don't do that. It's incredibly expensive to do, but therefore it really doesn't give you an accurate sense of where polls are. I'll tell you this.

I don't know what the polls are telling us, but it does look like both sides this year are taking to early voting. Like the numbers look big, at least down in Georgia. They had record breaking early voting. record-breaking, but I'm just not so sure because Trump recently switched, too recently, frankly, switched from only vote on election day to urging his supporters to do it early, do the mail-in voting, do the early voting. And I've heard Charlie Kirk of Turning Point say the same. It's got Georgia and Arizona in particular, get out, get out and vote early, and that they like what they're seeing so far. So I'm not sure what to believe, but I do think this election is a little unlike the last two where Republicans

are less skeptical of the mail-in voting. What do you guys think? Well, historically, Republicans have been able to win in the early vote. Pre-Trump era, it was like our thing. Yeah. And I really hope that, you know, we make the significant push. I remember four years ago when we had to deal with that heartbreak, people were like, listen, we're going to use all the tactics that Democrats did of early voting, of ballot harvesting, everything. Now's our time to follow through on that. How bad it felt losing that election. We need to make them feel the Democrats. When we use that same tactic, we need to swamp the vote. Right now, today is the first day of early voting in North Carolina. Every single person there needs to go cast your vote for

Trump. You don't know what's going to happen election. You saw natural disasters can come through. It could snow. You don't know what's going to happen on election day. Get that vote in. The secretary of state shows you online that your vote has been counted. There can be no excuse to lose this election to Kamala Harris. We need to get those votes in for Trump now. Get him in the back. And there is some good news for Republicans out of the early vote. I mean, there was a data point out of Pennsylvania yesterday that showed the Democrats are turning out at 900000 votes fewer than it turned out at this point in the 2020 race. So maybe Democrats aren't as enthusiastic

about Kamala as they had hoped their electorate. Well, and 2020 is going to be your high watermark for the disparity between Democrats and Republicans with absentee by mail and early votes. So any little improvement by Republicans in all of these battleground states is going to make a massive difference on election day. And remember, 2020 was decided by 40,000 votes over seven states. I mean, you're talking about slim, slim market. Yeah. I mean, look, Megan, it really is the difference between winning and losing here. I mean, what Duncan just said, 40,000 votes over seven states, the difference between losing an election and an electoral landslide is less than 100,000 votes. It's less than 100,000. And so if you think about sort of making a plan to vote,

and Republicans, I think it seems like they're doing a good job of trying to emphasize it, but banking those votes early, getting them in, and then repressing, trying to figure out where the field of persuadable voters are, both saves the campaign an incredible amount of resources, but two, it just, the certainty involved is so much better. We don't have to deal with natural disasters

or anything that could happen on election day that you can't get to the polls. But that's such a good point. That's why people like Charlie want the voters, and because he's helping with this get out the vote effort, the want voters in Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona to get out early because once they know that they've banked that person's vote, they can move on to targeting people who might be fence sitting, you know, who they've called on once or twice, but are low propensity voters who they they got to put all their resources. Charlie Kirk's going to personally show up at your house and ask you to come vote for Donald Trump with him. But it does help them.

Like, it's not just like, oh, do it just in case. It's like, no, do it because it will help the people who are on the ground stumping for Trump, trying to get voters out there, know where to concentrate their efforts. That's a very good point. Can I ask you this? So where, how do you like the odds here? You know, less than three weeks to go. What's going to happen? What do you think? I'd rather be Trump than Kamala. Obviously, a lot of this depends on what we just discussed. But if you look at where things have settled out and over the last 10 days, you look at some trend lines in places like Michigan and Wisconsin in particular. Trump's got multiple pathways to win, provided he wins Georgia and North Carolina. If he wins Pennsylvania, this thing's over.

It's done, right? But he doesn't need to win Pennsylvania. He could also win Wisconsin and Arizona, and it's 272. So, I mean, there's a bunch of different pathways for him. There are zero pathways for her without Pennsylvania. She's got to have it. It is neck and neck. You heard the numbers from the early vote.

I mean, I like to have options. I like if I'm a campaign at this stage, I like to have options and it doesn't feel like she's got a lot. Yeah. And I'll tell you, Megan, there is another number that really sticks out to me. It's the one that Brett quoted last night. Eighty percent of the people in this country think that we're on the wrong track. And that is bad news for the party who's been in power for 12 of the last 16 years. They've made every single

bad thing that's happened for us. And I think people just want change. And what Trump did, he led with authority. He was strong and our economy was pretty good when he was in charge. Yeah. And I said it on Ruthless on on the last episode, but like outside of the polling, polling obviously informs what we think is happening in a campaign. But the other thing that informs our opinion is what the campaigns are doing. Yeah. And Kamala Harris, you know, going to Fox News, swinging wild, trying anything she can to squeeze out extra votes, tells you they're desperate, that they know that they're behind with no central messaging either. Right. Today, Black Men Day.

Right. You would never take that risk knowing your candidate is Kamala Harris and put her on Fox News unless you knew it was desperation Hail Mary time. Yeah. You should have a central thesis that you're pushing across the finish line totally at this point. Everybody should know exactly what it is that you're saying before you say it when you're within 20 days of an election. Hers is every day is something new. And I think that is- Something new. Yeah, like a brand new policy

that she's unveiling for black men only. It's like, what? This is all new. Where was this? I mean, that's just that, like we are now just a couple of weeks from election day. You're closing the deal. You're not pitching it.

She's like, this is my policy proposal for this. And I'm going to hand this group a million dollars. Wait, that's illegal. I guess it's for everyone. She like you see what Donald Trump is doing out at these rallies. He's saying now's the time to vote. He's closing the deal. Kamala is trying to figure out what she's offering. And that's the other thing. He's defending his policies and well that his appearance with the Bloomberg guy the other day was amazing. I'm just going to show the audience a little bit of, we put a little montage. It's my favorite sound of the week. Watch. You are running out enormous debt. What is the wall street journal now? I'm meeting with them

tomorrow. What is the wall street journal that they've been wrong about everything. So have you, by the way, you've been wrong about everything. You're trying to turn this... You've been wrong about it. You're trying to turn this into debate. It's not a debate. You want to keep Jerome Powell as chair of the Federal Reserve.

His term as chair runs on to May 2026. Would you seek to remove or demote him? Look, I think it's the greatest job in government. You show up to the office once a month and you say, let's see, flip a coin. And everybody talks about you like you're a god. Oh, what will he do? Gavin Newsom, he's the governor of California. Newsom. He signed scum, I call him. But do you think... No, he corrected me.

That's the first time I've been corrected. There are CEOs out here. If they said those sort of things about a rival CEO, they'd be sacked. I know, but they don't have to survive like me. They don't have to go through what I have to go through. So right. I loved

his last answer. That audience audience that's the economic club of chicago like the gentleman mentioned these are ceos and business leaders in the audience and they are cheering for trump yeah he got a standing out and also like you go totally confident and facile with the facts you guys unlike his opponent exactly that's that's a point i was going to make i mean these this is a crew that is not predispositioned to like what it is that he's selling from a populist economic agenda. And he did it. He went into the, that, that's what the belly of the beast looks like. It's certainly not sitting across the table from a journalist. It was amazing to hear him say, but they don't have to go through what I do exactly right. He's got to

fight. And if he has to fight dirty, then so be it. That's what they do with him. A pleasure, gentlemen. Great to see you. Always awesome. You're doing great. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Okay. So to be continued, we're going to be back tomorrow. And we saved Doug Emhoff's latest media appearance for our guest then. It's Maureen Callahan. She's going to have thoughts. She's been writing about it. There's Maureen Callahan. She's going to have thoughts. She's been writing about it. There's so much news right now. Thank you for trusting us.

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